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RAC FM: Funky Fridays just got Funkier 🦝
Recorded: Nov. 17, 2023 Duration: 2:12:13Space Recording
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I've fucking heard from Finn yet.
Hilariously so.
Bruce, he will bring you in as a co-host.
Maybe your woman's just getting ready.
Maybe Croatia's two minutes behind the rest of the world.
I've sent you an invite, but I'm just saying Finn's job last night.
Holy fuck, that was so good.
That was like literally legit so cool what he did on last night's episode.
Oi, I've got a co-host.
I love that intro.
I love that intro, Robo, with the piano, man.
It's perfect.
Just get this coffee shop fireplace vibe.
GM, man.
GM, how are you doing, Robo?
Oh, you mean the NPR stuff he did on last night's show, yeah?
Yeah, yeah.
The intro, yeah.
It was beautiful.
Oh, that was.
And how quickly did he have that up on Spotify, iTunes?
Oh, I can see you woman, see ya?
Shout out there.
We'll bring you up, darling, in one second, very,
because we'd normally do a proper beginning.
So we'll get you an invite.
Brucey, you're going to help take care of, like,
obviously it's a bit of a closed mic tonight,
but if hard to see or fun drop in or some of the other people
maybe I've been speaking to, some of the other musicians,
it would be great, you know, to get a few people in.
So, yeah, I mean, we can talk about last night's show,
but that's not what tonight's about, Bruce.
We can talk about that later.
It's Marisa, is it?
Marisa, yeah?
Yeah, hi, hi, everyone.
Yeah, it's Marisa, yeah.
Hey, Marisa.
Oh, lovely.
And you're from Croatia, aren't you, yeah?
Yeah, I'm from Croatia.
And you're from Australia, judging by the accent.
Nobody, thing is, though,
my mind's the hardest accent to gauge ever.
I'm actually an Englishman, believe it or not,
but I have got a bit of Irish in.
Okay.
I'm North, I'm, no, you're okay, you're okay.
I'm literally, like, 90 kilometers from Scotland,
from the border.
So, like, we are, like, kind of Vikings a little bit.
We're a bit like Bruce, a bit retarded.
But welcome to Rack FM.
Yeah, big welcome to you.
Thank you so much.
It's good to be here.
Thanks for, you know, hosting me.
And I hope we have a lot of fun today.
So, can you tell me a little bit about your community,
the foxes, and I see you have raccoon.
So, what if you say?
Yeah, well, Mr. Fox, I mean, he's on his own, IBC Mafia.
The raccoons is generally where this came from.
But, no, Marisa, so, you know,
obviously we've been doing music for the last, like,
seven, eight months or something.
But I've been hanging around all of these spaces.
A lot of the time on my personal account, the Robbo account,
but sometimes on the Rack FM.
And so I've been getting to know people like David,
Joe Ryan, Fondue, Heartistry.
Heartistry, when he found out, you know,
Heartistry, like the dude on the piano and the guitar
and the ukuleles.
He's so great.
He was like, oh, no way, she's awesome.
She's on the show.
And I was like, yeah, bro, she's on the show tonight.
Yeah, you should come on and say hello, you know.
Yeah, he's one of the first people I met in the space
when I started The Swept 3 six months ago.
And I was featured in one of his spaces.
I think it's called Simmer Down that hosts, you know,
open mics and poetry nights and whatever.
And that's how I met Joe.
He's a really musical guy and a nice person overall.
So, yeah, thank him for that.
Oh, they're a lovely crowd.
I was on Joe's space today when they were doing that,
the NFT thing with the giveaways and stuff.
But, I mean, I first got into this through Fondue.
Or Fondue, I said she's called Fondue, yeah, Colorado Fondue,
which was like, it was on the show, I think,
before even Finn dropped the first record.
Because I met him, like, through Liz.
So, Bruce, we dropped the first rap.
And I'll explain to Marissa about us,
but we dropped the first rap on 420, right?
4th of April this year, yeah?
The 20th of April, sorry, this year.
420?
That's correct.
On Netflix.
Yes, correct.
So, at the minute, just to fill you in quickly, Marissa,
we've done six singles so far.
This is the seventh one we're working on now,
but we're doing a music video for it as well.
The kind of, like, ecosystem, like, diss track, like, raps.
So, if Finn was here, who's our rapper,
he also is the editor and archiver of all of, like,
the Twitter spaces that we do.
Not just us, mind, the whole ecosystem, yeah?
He gets, like, he's just got some nice grants from, like,
you obviously know about Luna, Terra.
He's just got, like, two years of funding from them
to, like, archive, like,
I think he did, like, 3,000,
over 3,300 spaces in the last 12-month period,
which is, like, phenomenal.
All saved on private service.
So, all of this, like, history, you know,
of what we've been doing.
The whole ecosystem has been building,
has been there.
But in this part-time, he's a rapper.
So, we've also got this, like, crazy, like,
pop artist guy that did the violinist.
Did you like the little raccoon violinist, Marissa?
Yeah, I thought it was really cute, yeah.
You really surprised me, yeah.
Nice, nice, nice.
That's Ambedo, you know.
He's, like, the, I don't know,
he's, like, the little joker of the pack.
But he's a really, really good, clever artist.
He's already done his own generative collection.
But we just try to have fun on Rack FM.
So, we're a team of six people.
Unfortunately, some people were manned down at the minute
with a couple of people.
They've just got really, like, important
in real life things going on.
But, yeah, my name's Rob Waugh.
I'm obviously the kid, the Englishman.
An Englishman in Bangkok.
I don't know if you like Sting or the police or,
you know, Sting.
An Englishman.
Yeah, one of my favourite out is
Englishman in New York,
or in your case, in Thailand.
Bangkok, yeah, Englishman in Bangkok, isn't it?
So, I'm not going to lie to you.
This is a right fanboy moment.
Can I confess something before we start?
And Bruce is going to give me loads of shit.
I'm a huge violinist fan, right?
But I know, like, nothing about, like,
the technicalities.
I just, so I'll give you a clue.
A bit of a, I mean, I love classical music.
I was brought up, one of my dad's a huge fan, right?
He loves, like, old stuff, like Johnny Cash and that.
He's, like, you know, when he was growing up and that.
But he's, like, a real die-hard classical fan.
So, I grew up with a lot of stuff.
And, I don't know.
The thing about my obsession with violins came along
with Trevor Jones.
You know Trevor Jones, the elk hunt,
and the kiss from...
Do you want to hear him?
Or is he rugging?
Oh, am I rugging, Bruce?
Sorry, Bruce, am I rugging?
No, no, no, not at all.
I just mewled it on my headset, not on my phone.
Oh, good.
No, no, no.
No, no, am I rugging?
And I don't think she can hear me.
Yeah, you can run out of it.
Yeah, I do.
Oh, okay.
Marisa, you hear Rubble now?
I can hear him now, but, you know, a few seconds.
Oh, okay.
I do apologize.
Sometimes his connection is a bit dodgy.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, no worries.
But I fell in love with...
It must have been when YouTube first started,
and it was like 2006, I think,
and they did that there,
the one in Spain with the orchestra.
The name of the orchestra in Spain,
the big one's escaping me,
but Trevor Hunt,
who did the last of the Mohicans.
You know, you've got like that whole,
obviously, movie score,
but especially the kiss.
That is one of the just most amazing,
like, things that's ever pulled up my heart,
and it's just the violin solo at the beginning.
It's ridiculous.
So, yeah, I've been a, like, massive, like...
I mean, I've always liked classical music,
like I said,
but I've been nuts for violin players.
You'd have to be careful.
Bruce is your chaperone tonight,
aren't you, Bruce?
Oh, my God.
It's nice that you're such a violin fan.
Yeah, in fact, when I started, you know,
doing online stuff and Web 2 before Web 3,
I kind of built up, you know,
like a smaller YouTube channel
where I covered a lot of music
from the movies and some games.
I also sang there,
but there are a lot of covers on the violin,
so I will pin it here somehow.
I have to tweet it first,
and you can, you know, check it out
and find something for yourself.
Did you, did you, I mean,
I'm not even going to do the beginning
because by this time in the actual recording
that Finn will do,
he's already done the beginning.
So, basically, did you, like, grow up
playing the violin?
Because I know a lot of people, like,
do start out very young.
Or were you a late, late coming to the thing?
You probably started early, did you?
Yeah, I started when I was seven.
I enrolled in music school in Croatia
when I was seven.
My aunt bought me my first violin.
It was very small.
And I kind of stuck with it throughout the years.
And very soon, when I was at around the age of 10,
I think,
I already knew what is going to be my,
you know, life calling.
And I finished elementary school,
music school,
and then high school.
And then I enrolled in music academy
in Zagreb,
here at the capital of Croatia.
And I later did some postgraduate also.
And then I hit the auditions for the orchestras,
as I never, never really wanted to do,
to work with kids, you know,
in music schools.
I did that as well.
Kids are great and everything,
but, you know,
teaching them is a whole other thing.
You really have to be born to do that.
So I waited the chance to,
you know,
hit the auditions.
And I did four or five of them here in Croatia.
And I got a first desk job
as a deputy concertmaster here
in opera orchestra.
So that's my,
like, main job that I do.
But I also do a lot of stuff.
A lot of chamber music,
solo recitals.
That's, like,
me as a classical musician,
as a violinist.
But I also do a lot of pop genre.
I work as a studio session musician.
And, yeah,
I sing and song write.
And, yeah, so.
Wow.
But, yeah,
first of all,
I'm a violinist, yeah.
When do you get time to sit down
and have a cup of tea
and a slice of toast?
I mean,
my goodness,
you sound pretty busy, right?
When do you get time
to put your feet up a little bit?
Well,
I am a type of person
who doesn't, like,
stand still,
which is, like,
a virtue sometimes,
but it's also a curse.
Like,
you sometimes really have to stop.
But,
I don't like to concentrate
on only one genre.
Like,
if you do only classical music,
it can be really,
really hard
and, you know,
stressful
nothing is relaxed
in classical music.
Everything is,
you know,
has to be
well-prepared
and practiced
and whatever.
so when I do
other stuff
like with
pop songs
and now
NFTs,
it's a little bit relaxed
so combining those two
kind of helps me.
It's really
the good combination
of both
for me.
Although,
it's hard to
sometimes
keep up
with the both
because they're all
time-consuming
but so far
I manage.
the violin,
the violin
and pianos
has been getting
so popular lately,
hasn't it,
though?
You've seen them on
like,
things like
America's Got Talent
and Britain's Got Talent.
Everybody loves that.
You see the
fusion,
you know,
the modern-day fusion
stuff that's going on.
I forgot his name here.
Tokyo.
Tokyo,
something,
the guy that was doing
the piano stuff
that won Britain's Got Talent.
But the crossover
between classical
and like modern-day
stuff is just
ridiculous right now.
Talk to us,
darling,
if you don't mind,
talk to us about
the NFT journey.
where did you,
I'm not going to say
finish up Web 2
because I know
you musicians,
you never finish
the Web 2 stuff.
That's your roots,
right?
It's very important.
But how did you
come across
like Web 3
or NFTs?
How did that happen?
Well,
my husband
is pretty active
in the crypto world.
he's on
a Hive platform.
I don't know
if you guys
have heard about it.
It's like
a social media platform.
It used to be
called Steemit.
But,
you know,
that went downhill
so they
rebuilt the
Hive platform.
And he's
a project manager
there.
He does a lot
of stuff for them.
So I kind of
always have been
around the crypto
but never really
gotten into it
like seriously.
And then
this Steemit
previous platform
had this
open mic
which was
going on
from 2014
till I think
2017
or something.
So I started
submit my
videos there
and compete
because they
were cash prizes.
so that is
how I started.
But with the
NFTs
I did
a short
violin
and piano
compositions
like three
or four years
ago.
But I
wasn't familiar
with the crypto
Twitter
and the music
space here.
I'm now
sorry for that
and, you know,
like trying
to keep up.
I put it
somewhere else
where it
didn't gain
any attention
but I
will definitely
reuse it
on this chain.
So that's
how I started.
That was my
first like
NFTs
short compositions
and that's
platform
from Twitter
called
Token Tracks
I don't know
if you have
heard about it.
It's
it's
founded
by Tommy
Danvers.
He's a
producer
and a DJ
and, you know,
musician.
So they
contacted me.
We scheduled
a video call
and they were
basically like
okay, do we
want to work
with you?
Do you have
any songs
ready in the
art?
And I
and I did
had it
already.
I wasn't
planning to
release it
as an NFT
but they
came to me
first and so
I did that
in April
in late
April.
I think
it was
29th
or something
I released
my first
edition
of 100
NFTs
I really
didn't know
anything
like about
crypto
like
anything
I wasn't
really educated
in that
area
and I
released
that NFT
edition
I remember
I didn't
know what
gas was
we've all
been there
don't
don't worry
everybody
everybody
in the room
has been
there
right
yeah
and I
found some
nice people
here
like Nick
Cosmo
and Nifty
Sacks
who were
nice enough
to help
me and
you know
host a
few spaces
I remember
I was so
nervous
you know
to talk
speak publicly
and to
speak about
things that
I'm not
really
educated
about
but I
started
hitting
spaces
and really
going out
of my
comfort zone
a lot
and it
minted out
pretty quickly
and that
was like
entry
congratulations
congratulations
that's
awesome
awesome
so that
was like
my entry
to do
to the
NFT world
and it
became
easier
in a
time
with going
on spaces
and you know
requesting to
speak
I was
pretty
self-conscious
about
you know
public
speaking
and you
know
English
because
not a
native
speaker
sometimes
I would
like
I had
this
memory
gaps
you know
like
I can't
remember
the word
to finish
the sentence
but you
know
practice
makes
you better
now it's
not a
problem
now it's
like
it's
cool
I enjoy
love
these
little
intimate
campfire
chats
they're
awesome
Bruce
aren't
they
aren't
these
what we
live
Bruce
these
little
chats
Bruce
gone
quiet
he's
probably
eaten
actually
right
tell us
about
you've
some
stuff
you've
drop
coming
soon
haven't
happened
hasn't
happened
right
it's
coming
right
just
pinned
tweet
your
space
if you
don't
mind
very
sorry
should
know
doing
this
thinking
earlier
why is
Bruce
filling
nest
getting
really
angry
but he's
he might
eating
he might
need
strength
back
sorry
I will
just
quickly
jump
on my
profile
and pin
here
spam
spam
the whole
nest
no no
fill
the nest
darling
fill
this
like
snippet
from
song
guys
check
give
follow
will
amazing
this
song
that
dropping
November
22nd
stated
tweet
five
days
actually
yeah
I have
to do
a lot
promos
spaces
chill
little
sing
live
mostly
live
spaces
don't
want
know
sound
quality
when
play
Marissa
can I
stop
minute
darling
want
make
this
really
clear
because
we're
very
different
from
a lot
other
people
might
pick
this
right
certainly
will
when
hear
edited
archived
version
it'll
fantastic
right
Fondue
Colorado
Fondue
obviously
who's
really
making
some
waves
some
names
yeah
he's
just
dropped
silhouette
single
had him
played
tracks
chilling
with
friends
around
campfire
this
conversation
I don't
know if
you've
seen
them
about
little
monkeys
with the
tambourines
they're only
small little
toys for
kids but
you wind
them up
and bang
tambourine
and Bruce
will back
me up
we've
said
this
a hundred
times
we often
get the
feeling
sometimes
on these
spaces
and I'm
going to
be very
honest
you jump
and you
might
just want
to talk
it might
be late
you might
want to
chill
and they're
like
play us
a song
play us
a song
play us
a song
we don't
like that
kind of
attitude
over here
like
Marissa
do you
understand
if anybody
ever comes
in and
decides to
play a song
or whatever
that's
fantastic
if someone
says
right
hold on
a minute
come on
going to
this
that's
what we
with
Fawn
and it
was one
of the
greatest
shows
we've
ever
done
he did
like
said
tracks
this is
how we
like
to be
around
campfire
having
a friendly
chat
and now
I heard
you the
other day
when
I saw
somebody
you know
liking
your post
and I was
like wow
holy moly
that's some
nice tunes
and I was
like right
okay let's
see if we
can get
the lady
on the
show
and just
have a
chat
and you're
really nice
by the way
you're very
pleasant
to speak
yeah
thank you
so much
yeah so
you're
basically
saying that
it's a
chill
space
there's
pressure
you know
absolutely
no no
Bruce
will tell
you that
Bruce
will tell
yeah
they can
there are
some pretty
aggressive
spaces
here
especially
with the
musicians
there's
a lot
competition
it can
get that
it's
nice
that
this
space
them
yeah
fondue
great
yeah
well
we like
to find
about
you know
people
behind
like
what
I mean
it's
all well
like
I'm not
being funny
I can go
and listen
to your music
it's out
there
it's like
I can
you know
I can go
and listen
to a
professional
like recorded
version
yeah we all
love a live
version
but it's
more important
to kind
of like
like I
you've
been doing
everything
yourself
you mentioned
your
partner
like are
you doing
obviously
in web3
there's no
need for
managers
allegedly
would you
agree
with that
because
I'd love
to speak
to you
about royalties
and all
sorts of
stuff
if you're
okay
about this
but what
about
I mean
our joke
is that
Barry the
band
manager
but this
is like
an inside
parody
joke
you know
it's not
really
but yeah
you've got
no need
for a
manager
have you
really
in there
web3
is that
right
I don't
know
I've had
some offers
when I
started
but they
were asking
a lot
of money
to do
to do
you know
a lot
of stuff
for me
marketing
and everything
which would
be great
because sometimes
it's overwhelming
there's a lot
of information
there and
there are no
set standards
on what to do
and how to do
them
you're free
to do
whatever you
like
and that
can sometimes
be like
okay cool
but it can
also be
oh my god
what should
I do
it would
be cool
someone
could
I don't
know
a little bit
of a guide
especially
in the beginning
when I
started
I don't
think there's
no need
like at all
for a manager
but at this
age when I'm
just dropping
like my second
collection
I can manage
to do it
all by myself
you know
tweeting
going to
spaces
but for
some bigger
names here
I think
it's
important to
have one
or two
people who
will you
know run
some errands
for you
some tasks
that are
just tedious
and you
lose time
on them
and maybe
you can do
something more
creative
such as I
don't know
you have
someone who
runs your
discord
or etc
I don't know
I wouldn't
call him a
manager per
se but
like an
assistant
yeah
I think
that would
be cool
but I'm
like a
like a
personal
assistant
like a
yeah
I like
do this
some
bills
while
I don't
know
practice
you know
like
someone who
could just
take a
little bit
of burden
off of your
shoulders
but that's
for me
now in
this stage
it's not
necessary
for some
people I
know that
they have
like their
teams
who do
stuff like
that for
them
and that's
cool
yeah
Marissa
that's why
I kind of
quite like
like
Rack
so obviously
it's not
just the
spaces
it's
I mean
it's all
tongue-in-cheek
obviously we do
have a proper
dare with
governance
and everything
with the
six of us
on a
multi-seek
right
with obviously
some funds
in the
treasury
and NFTs
and stuff
Bruce
are you
back with
have you
finished
eating
mean
I'm here
I'm here
you're not
cleaning your
chainsaw
or doing
any other
manly
things
you're
probably
okay
you're probably
better suited
than me
like if you
were to kind
of sum up
Rack FM
and the
greater thing
that we're
trying to
create with
Rack FM
Records
Rack FM
Entertainment
and then
like just
like also
showcasing
like things
like Omni
like Stargate
to new
emerging artists
like Marissa
like
Marissa
we've been
so inspired
by what
we've been
able to do
that we're
coming out
into the
wider
and saying
to people
do you
know what
you can
like you
can actually
like do
video on
demand
you can
do like
jamming
sessions
rehearsal
sessions
on video
on demand
and get
like tipped
in crypto
for it
but Bruce
the Rack FM
kind of empire
that we're
trying to
create
and also
in close
connection
with some
how would
you describe
what we're
doing
I would
describe it
as the
side of
crypto
with
poetic
I mean
with
everything
that
entails
so we're
trying to
create
culture
through
decency
right
through
being
decent
humans
in the
space
where there's
so much
greed
and scam
and grifting
and lack
of moral
values
so we're
trying to
be like
a speaking
but that's
the Danish
word
we're trying
to be a
voice
for something
bigger
and yeah
we're trying
to create
values
via culture
is what I
would say
and in that
process we
create friendships
as well
yeah there's a
bit more
to it
than that
isn't it
so one
of the
things
Marissa
that we're
very keen
on here
our tagline
is that
you know
culture is
upstream
of governance
most of
the problems
that we
see on
a daily
basis
within
crypto
are down
governance
issues
right
obviously
that's how
the blockchain
and proof
of stake
works
yeah
culture
if you
can build
upstream
right
well
if you
build
culture
you're
automatically
upstream
of governance
then there
might be
an opportunity
to get
people to
think
you know
in a more
aware
like way
but like
Bruce
it's
I mean
you mentioned
like the
shilling
there
I mean
your woman
was like
do you mind
if I put
this in
and I'm like
spam the nest
like come on
go for it
like we have
Marissa a very
very different
mindset
and recently
when we sold
256 copies
of like the
last single
it's only the
second single
on the
new chain
and we
were like
people love
music
NFTs
and if you
give them
a nice
bit of
a nice
song
people are
going to
come back
and buy
from you
so on the
new chain
Bruce
we did
and that
was on the
first single
the second
so the
first EP
is a different
story
because we
did it
in a
different
distributed
very
very
differently
learnt
a lot
lessons
second
singles
on the
first
single
second
single
on the
second
honestly
Marissa
I'm not
lying
chains
like
Stargaze
and Omniflix
are crying
out for
people like
you to
come along
and say
where's
my new
fans
honestly
you've
a new
fan base
to tap
into
that you
don't
even
know
there
trust
there
users
that
love
music
right
on the
blockchain
over
yeah
there are
a lot
people
who are
really
in love
with
music
I mean
artists
and collectors
and like
true fans
I see
what other
people are
doing
who are
you know
like
longer
in the
space
than I
they have
all these
meetups
when
when
those
fans
like
meet
those
stars
what
would
call
them
don't
know
that
they
appreciate
that
it's
really
something
it's
really
a special
bond
music
community
still
it's
still
small
would
when
compare
JPEGs
other
stuff
kind
stick
together
everything
everyone
very
supportive
sometimes
like
excessive
like
something
other
than
know
praise
time
sometimes
when
come
spaces
feel
like
bang
head
against
piano
everyone
would
you're
talented
that
that's
something
that
general
should
work
there's
criticism
which
course
realistic
Marissa
I've
been
talking
about
this
last
weeks
private
you've
just
said
private
sorry
public
what
I've
been
dying
like
about
weeks
holy
shit
you said
thank you
thank you
yeah
you're welcome
because I
I was
at first
it was
okay
it's
so nice
like
it's nice
when
you don't
have
don't
know
some
nasty
comments
about
your
playing
your
music
still
when
only
praise
everyone
that
in a
devalue
things
think
people
maybe
need to
hear
some
things
that
they
improve
know
work
mean
I've
been
hearing
that
whole
life
classically
know
brought
Marissa
how many
times
how many
times
have you
been on
a space
and heard
someone
just totally
crack and
they're like
oh I need
a drink
of water
oh I've
been on
spaces
for three
hours
and it's
like oh
my goodness
you realise
you were
like off
out of
tune
like you
were so
like I'm
not a
musician
but like I
can listen
and I can
go that's
right and
that's
wrong
it's
really bad
on spaces
sometimes
nobody
talks about
what
nobody
I'll tell
you what
what you're
talking about
right now
do you know
why because
you can't
you can't
do the
the weird
thing about
web3 and
this is why
we've been
trying to get
cancelled is
because like
there's things
that like
people think
oh if you
talk about
that oh
you're so
negative
oh you're
where did
when did
we stop
being truthful
and giving
people facts
so that they
can make
changes
like move
forward and
progress
right
yeah I
agree but
I think
that
I'm gonna
be brave
and say
this too
I think
there's
there are
some musicians
here that
have that
have been
previously
very disappointed
with the
RRL and
web2
I don't
know
kind of
got here
and they're
living in
this bubble
where everything
is you know
it's all about
community
we love each
other blah blah
blah but
and they
they like
that and
when you
I was in
in a few
spaces like
recently I'm
not gonna
name anyone
but when
someone was
up there
on the
mic and
was saying
something that
this host
wasn't agreeing
he or she
muted him
and the
guy wasn't
even rude
or vulgar
or whatever
but just
wasn't agreeing
with the
stuff that
this person
was promoting
and was
muted and
there was
yelling and
I was like
wow and
in real life
that it
just isn't
how it
works
I think
that's a
cult you're
talking about
sounds like
a cult
I know
though Bruce
wait Bruce
you're not on
this basis
that like she's
talked about
like earlier
it's like
dude I know
exactly
exactly what
you're talking
about
bro like
I'm gonna
be very
honest
they will
anybody
and out
50 to
60 to
musicians
I've heard
there's like
about
6 7 8
that like
actual like
musicians
and the
in real life
thing is
this is why
I love
Fondue
Marissa
is because
Fondue's
story and
how he
fell out of
love with
music and
how he
came back
into it
we did
this
I'll send
you the
podcast
that we
did with
Fond
the two
and a
half hour
you'll love
it by
the way
he did
all of
the best
covers
but he
also did
Brown Eyes
before he
dropped it
on Sound
I would
love to
talk to
you about
Sound XYZ
by the way
and Little
Gaines is
down there
so he's
from the
Stargaze
chain that
we're currently
deploying
the new
EP on
but Marissa
you're the
first person
ever
and I've
done hundreds
of hours
on these
spaces
trust me
I'm all
over
every day
you've
just said
things that
nobody else
will say
so thank
you very
much for
that and
welcome to
Rack FM
you are
golden
you woman
thank you
so much
well there
are a few
of us
who are
on the
same page
with this
stuff
and you
know it
always stings
when someone
tells you
okay maybe
your singing
should improve
or this song
could be better
no one likes
to hear that
but I
think it's
vital that
you hear
that from
time to
time and
since I'm
a violinist
and it's
really a
drill to
go through
when you're
when you want
to become a
professional
classical musician
and from
my experience
80% of my
lessons with
professors and
whatever was
criticism
it's constructive
but it's
just the way
it goes
it doesn't
it's not
something that
you should
apply in
pop music
because it's
different but
for me it's
normal and
it's real and
it's easier if
you're like that
I think
so I'm going
to ask you
in coded
language very
quickly just
give us a
yes or a
no there
is there
is a
certain daily
co-host that
does regularly
do does
music that
like maybe
should go and
get some
singing lessons
like maybe you
know I know
it might be a
hobby for some
people but
like just
announce it's a
hobby but
like there are
you know what I'm
talking about I
think you do
I hear more
breaks than
what hit the
titanic man
but I'm not
going to comment
any further I'm
just going to
say like I've
been around
enough decent
musicians and
even though I'm
tone deaf
right and I've
listened to music
all my life
I'm like yeah
like I can hear
everything's in
key you know
and then you
hear like other
people I mean
god bless to
them but I
don't know
like Marissa
say no you
know all the
claps and
the trumpets
and the
wow wow
wow and
everyone audience
like bro come
on everyone
audience Marissa
is like come
on bro come
on be like be
fair just be
for a minute
that's why I
kind of love
heartistry because
he takes the
piss out of
himself you
know that was
my next next
sentence I was
going to say
that's why I
like heartistry
because he is
really genuine
he's not acting
something that
he isn't
and he has
such a nice
voice and he
plays piano so
good and a
mixture of
everything put
together it's
you know the
final product I
heard some
collab he had
with the this
I think she's
she's a she's
a she's an
artist from
Russia
and they had
a collab
yeah yeah
yeah yeah
yeah I know
her yeah she
was I was on
the space with
that with a
ghost the other
day yeah yeah
the artist yeah
in Siberia right
yeah yeah
there she's
amazing and
they did this
collab where
it's her art
and he did the
song and I was
like oh my god
this song should
be a hit it
should be you
know on
YouTube or
something it
was really good
because you
know there are
a lot of things
here that aren't
so good and
that's why I like
him but he
does can you see
can you see
little gains down
there and the
audience has just
come back I think
he's quite busy
but can you see
little gains down
there so I think
he's the second
biggest collector
of her artwork
after Gus
and he's like the
second biggest
collector of her
artwork yeah she's
well known she was
on the space with
Gossip of the Day
yeah yeah she's
she's in this
mini midi punks
community which I'm
part of I did
this collab with
them on their
GM song I
recorded violin
and it's led by
this Swedish guy
songs of Eden
probably heard of
him too and she
works pretty closely
with them she's
an artist but
recently she has
taken up on some
singing lessons she
has her songs and
is really a nice
person really is
and talented one
this is such a
refreshing
conversation isn't
it by the way
gains you're more
than welcome to
come up on stage
but if you want to
come up and speak
you're very valued
on this show
Bruce isn't this
just a lovely
refreshing I feel
so refreshed by
this like I feel
like I've had a
nice lime and
lemonade with ice in
the sun or something
just listening to
this because I do
want to get out
a serious question
about royalties
Bruce you got any
questions or anything
you want to talk to
your woman about
before we move on
yeah I had a
question about why
she moved into
Web3 space and
NFTs but she
basically answered
everything in the
beginning so I'm
all tapped out
so Marissa this
might be unique to
us Rack FM being
this like mad
collective blah blah
blah but to us
royalties are not
important we don't
want people to sell
the music for
example we dropped
dropped like 136
134 EPs or
whatever and
there's like only a
couple up for sale
I think the starting
one's like 7000
stars so about like
70 something
dollars maybe
someone's
speculating but
to our mind
you know why
why do we want
royalties or why
why does Fane and
Ambedo want
royalties maybe the
artist I get this
if you know the
artist wants them
but our artist is
part of the kind of
inner core team so
that's not a problem
we pay him like
separately out of
the company but
like why have
royalties on your
music
doesn't a zero
royalty encourage
people just to
hold your music or
do you have to
have the royalties
because you know
that people are
going to speculate
maybe mint three or
four five on
different wallets
maybe hold them
wait and then
trade them off
so I just want to
know like your
general opinion on
royalties what
might be your
approach in the
future if things
change how do you
feel about that
topic if you don't
mind me asking
well that's that
topic is pretty
pretty new to me
since my first
edition was somewhat
of a free one
they only paid for
gas fees and I
just kind of send
it out freely just
to you know get
in into as much
possible as people
you know wallets
so that everyone
can get to know
me and as for the
royalties here I'm
really not that
familiar with the
with the system so
far I only can
speak about the
royalties in in
the real world
because I I have
some songs that
are hitting radios
here in Croatia
still and were
published like three
or four years ago
so but when you
when we talk about
royalties in web
three I'm really
new to that field
so can you maybe
make it more
clear of the
question I don't
know
oh this is going
to be so good
because you know
why you are right
up our street and
we'll get back to
the royalties in a
second however you
mentioned about the
first stuff you did
so to you the
primary concern was
distribution so as
Barry the band
manager Bruce what
have I been talking
about for the last
since April which is
nearly eight months
ago what have I
been talking about
Bruce do I keep
talking about
distribution every
time we have any
conversation about
anything to do with
music is that right
yep I don't stop
talking about it so
that's what Marissa
saying now I just
wanted to try to get
the music in as many
hands as possible so
Marissa yeah the
first single we dropped
was like a proof of
attendance for a space
we got it into like
nearly 300 hands we've
had a bit of a mad
journey jump on
blockchains as well
this is not an easy
thing but the idea
is you know four
EPs obviously four
tracks on an EP but
you know four tracks
make up an EP you
collect all the
singles we airdrop
you the EP we're on
the next chain
Finn wants to do the
the guy the main guy
the rapper he wants
to do you know four
EPs four chains and
then airdrop an album
everybody but I sense
straight away that
your primary concern
was how do I get my
music in the hands of
as many people as
possible is that your
concert like is that
your primary concern
more than royalties
so royalties are just
what you get on
secondhand sales right
yeah my primary
concern was getting
getting the music
into as much hands
as possible as you
said because I was
new to the space
and no one knew
me so it was kind
of impossible I
don't know for me
it was kind of weird
to you know ask
money for my NFTs
although I could
have gone the other
way around and just
come into the space
you know slide my
way in in some
spaces and hi
I'm playing violin
but no I skipped
all these steps
and just you know
had this NFT
edition which was a
little bit unorthodox
is what I saw
later from what
other newbies do
in the space
and to my big
surprise there were
some some NFTs
from that edition
on the secondary
sales I think it
was it was one
which was for me
that was such a
huge thing but
now with this
edition I really
hope that you
know now I know
the music community
and I really hope
I can bring value
to to myself as
well because making
music is it costs
money you know you
have to and it
it also it's time
consuming you have
to do the song
and I'm not
someone who
produces 40 songs
in I don't know
three months like I
like to take things
slow and then you
go to the studio
you have to pay for
the engineer and
production and the
marketing the art
so it costs a lot
of money to you
know submit it for
free so I really
hope with this
this drop that I
will bring some
value I mean see
like is royalties
though Marissa I
don't want to
interrupt and we
will get on the
new drop but royalties
shouldn't be the
primary concern I
personally believe for
artists like yourself
I believe first and
foremost should be
distribution like let
me put it akin to
something even like
before web one
think guys you know
you went to the
store you bought a
Snoop Dogg or Dr.
Dre's new CD right
few years later
right you're having
a garage sale you've
got it on iTunes now
or on your iPod you
don't need this right
so you're selling it
nobody you weren't
you're selling it on
the garage sale you're
not sending Dr.
Dre like a couple of
books like the I
think the way that I
look at these music
NFTs yeah I understand
there's going to be
speculation and maybe
the artist should be
capitalizing on any
speculation that's only
granted but as an
artist you're looking
and you're thinking I
want you to hand this
down to your kid in
fact I want this to be
handed down to your
grandkids of your
grandkids like I don't
want people to let this
go you know you know
Marissa there needs to
be a line where we say
like yeah I understand
who's collecting and
who's just speculating
and I believe music
NFTs are not what we've
seen with you know
PFPs board apes right
I believe that when you
buy a music NFT that
you're making a
commitment to put that
in your library or in
your like you know
you know what I mean
yeah yeah yeah I agree
to some extent I
definitely agree that it
should be somewhat you
know unique that you
should you know cherish
and listen to and
maybe give it to your
kids later or whatnot
but at the end of the
day you know sometimes
the artists also have to
you know eat so
so Marissa can I
can I mention that
because just tie it all
in together right
you might be able to
give me some advice here
because I don't know
we've got in-house
both so you as a
musician do you do your
like own artwork or is
it like photography that
yeah is related to the
NFT what what's the
actual like representative
digital visual
representation of the
NFT for my first
NFT edition I had the
animated art ready
which was an outside
hire I don't do it
myself right so you
paid you paid for that
yeah you had to pay for
that obviously that's
another cost right yeah
and it's if you animate
things it the price goes
up like crazy so and
there were five different
versions of that picture
so that also added the
the price to the whole
job so yeah I had the
outside hire but for
this drop that is going
live on 22nd it's a
photography which was
also a professionally
taken photos by a
professional photographer
so it was also something
everything I had to pay
for so yeah there are
always these you know
things to to pay to
invest before you you
know earn anything but
that's how it goes I
mean before I go to the
concert and play violin I
have to have new strings
which are approximately I
don't know 50 or 60
euros you have to have new
bow hairs which is
approximately I don't know
40 euros and there are all
these costs so it kind of
goes with the job and
there are some people in
the space who can do
everything I'm not one of
them you see that's why I
asked the question because
that kind of runs my
royalty question dry a
little bit or my royalty
argument dry a little bit
by the way I am looking at
this from an outside point
point of view like I say
Barry the band manager I'm
just trying to manage this
group of six or five
people and their talents
and what they're doing
what they're producing
etc etc but yeah so the
musical artist versus the
artist artist like who is
providing the you know
album cover work or EP
cover work or whatever it
is like you heard that was
like five images I think you
said Marissa you have her
one song for the NFT so
it's that's where the
royalty question comes in you
know are you paying full
upfront costs for the
artist type work or are
you saying to them well if
we you know do well in the
secondary this is like what
we're going to make in
royalties it depends on your
relationship with them
there's many you know
perpetrations to take into
account but that is where
my I just think that it's
weird isn't it that the
having a royalty is kind of
like saying well I
encourage secondary sales but
as an artist you want people
to retain it so yeah it's a
fine line there Marissa I
don't envy you by the way
oh Bruce I can't hear am I
getting rude must be getting
rude am I I can't hear
either oh Marissa oh you're
back where's yours I can hear
you now Rack FM but yeah
you're back yep did we lose
you there I was rugging okay I'm
just saying that that is where
my like royalty like argument
like does run dry is the fact
that like you know if there's
artists maybe there needs to be
like our artists the original
artist for the the Rack supply
NFT project you know he was
promised obviously a percentage
of royalties which is why he
worked on the project yeah he
didn't get paid like
particularly like big money up
front or anything there wasn't
any he so it is difficult and I
do get that thing about I think
I think charging like enough for
the music like a decent price for
the music is we've talked about
pricing structures Marissa how do
you go about pricing structures in
regards to singles versus APs
versus like albums like what would
be your process about pricing
structures
well I'm I I'm getting ready
everything for the EP to drop in
2024 I have the arts ready for that
as well and I hope it would be like a
bigger collection of mine for now I'm
doing singles and me personally I like
additions that are smaller like 25 or
30 NFTs but with a little bit of a
higher value like I don't know 40 or
$50 you know counted to ease or
whatever I don't like these mega drops
on sound XYZ although I think it's a
good platform it's it's simple I like
how it works but I don't when I see a
song that it's 30 cents and there are
2000 minutes ah why don't do that to
yourself
I don't I don't know it it kind of
becomes a I don't know so your song is
like like value of a hot dog or
whatever I don't like that it kind of
gives me this trashy underline to it but
that's me and as for the EPs I'm not
educated that that much on that topic
because I I haven't gotten to that
point I can only talk you know like
singles but a lot of people are doing
this
I would say lazy drops on on sound
XYZ like you know I know additions
cheap no actual art no utilities I I
didn't I didn't have any utilities for
my first drop because it was you know
you we will get it for free so there's
no utility for you but for this next drop
I decided to do first of all of course
discount for my previous holders then for
someone who purchases if there was if there
were to be someone who purchases three NFTs they
will get like a short zoom concert or a violin
lesson which I think is is cool and if imagine if you
could do imagine if you could do all that on chin
honestly Marissa we need to speak in the DMs
because there's some stuff with video on
demand and stuff now that people don't even
know is happening and with what we call
metamasker snaps you wouldn't believe the the
access that like what you potentially like in
your audience could have and the new audience
you could find the technology honestly we'll
have a call like offline about the tech that's
available now Marissa I'm telling you this is
why we're having this space this is why we've
got your own this is why I've been talking
to heartistry in the DMs for phone on both
accounts this one on the personal on fondue
NFT and music sorry and I don't want to
interrupt I just want to say music NFTs in
2024 are going to be huge guys there's going
to be a narrative there the NFTs have always
been a safe harbor people are going to be
hunting out and sniffing out for the next
what they think is going to be the next
biggest artist I am telling you the transition
I have never seen anything like this in
crypto before in the last six to eight
months the amount of musicians migrating on
the Twitter spaces and on the crypto and web
three and NFTs is phenomenal and but like your
woman Marissa said earlier I want you to pay
close attention there is a lot of shit out
there I'll be not as diplomatic as she was and
I'll tell you that like there's a lot of
pretenders and then there's musicians and why
did we ask your woman on tonight because she's an
absolute classical musician and that's like the
top and bottom of it and you've heard the
opinion of a classically trained musician and
that's what this show is was and always has been
about is getting the best voices out there for you
people to make your minds up but yeah Marissa I get a
bit emotional a bit passionate sometimes you know
I'm not like Bruce I keep myself hungry for these
spaces your views your views are so based it's
ridiculous woman it's ridiculous you are the one
the most based people in crypto I'm telling you I've
met recently very refreshing your attitude very
refreshing yeah well thank you so much I agree
with the there's a lot of rubbish here and sometimes I think
that amount of your success depends on how many hours you
have spent in the spaces where there are some cool spaces
where you can really learn something for yourself and you can
really make connections and play your music but there are some
spaces where you just you know sit and listen about I don't
know Taco Tuesdays so Taco Tuesdays
there's a lot of waste of time and some of us cannot can't
afford that to to you know ourselves especially if you have a
family or something so I what I wanted to say is like the
amount of your success depends on time spent in in spaces not
on your actual quality or you know musical grind and I don't
know in the end I think talent makes the difference I would say
with a lot of work of course.
Merita I I totally know where you're coming from you know why
because like what we've been doing on the spaces grind so
Rack FM originally at the beginning of November were like a year old from
the first ever episode and man it's been hard we nearly had a hundred
recorded shows obviously we've done hundreds and hundreds more hours of
unrecorded stuff but we don't clarify like we can't quantify or qualify
that can we so we just refer to the recorded stuff and we're like look you
know look at look at our following numbers what we've had we've averaged
over like 240 fucking listeners per show recorded over nearly a hundred shows
like we know we're under a winning formula but it takes a lot of work Bruce
will tell you Bruce came in the organization he lasted like a month and
he's like see ya I'm out of here I'm gonna go and chop down some trees it's it's
easier than uh working in this organization that right Bruce how hard do we
work Bruce tell Marissa how hard hard hard and sporadic man the fact when you
work in an organization where people are in different time zones the process is
just rolling the process don't always rolling so when you wake up man 10 tasks
have been done and you have no clue where the people are going so you have to
catch up all the time yeah and I live and I live in the worst time zone so I'm in
the Asia time zone so I'm getting butchered you know what I mean I'm waking up
and I'm like oh shit Europe and America's uh gone to bed on me and left me with this
heap of shit but honestly I'm not when we're gonna come in here and pussyfoot
around Marissa I have to say I didn't know what was coming tonight I didn't know
what I expect and it's been a bloody good joy it's been a right laugh you've
really summed up some really important points I think that I've wanted to say
for weeks in public but I think I just was holding back because you know I don't
want to get kicked out of rooms and I don't want to get blackballed by the
industry and now I mean Bruce how many times have I already been trying to be
coming Bruce is there anyone that's being cancelled or try to be cancelled more
times and rubble in crypto twitter history let's be honest Bruce not for the
three years no two years I've been in the space I haven't seen anybody survive as
many cancellations as you have that's for sure
cool good to know that so you you see you you tell the truth that's why you are
banned sometimes that's cool oh we made some cartel videos the other week
uh Marissa did you not say the cartel videos we made no they were pretty bad
like no no Bruce Bruce get over to pikey rack and put it in the nest get over to
pikey rack quick and put in the nest bro I mean so Marissa I don't know how you
feel about this I would love to get you like opinion for a laugh I'm sure this
might entertain you humble humbled me for a moment like the court jester so our
friend uh well these people try to cancel us first actually for just totally
off the cuff like comments that like oh we're embarrassing but they're ran
telling tales to people like twist and bend and manipulate like horrible people do
I mean you've heard us tonight you know we're not horrible people right but some
people are unfortunately you know the whether they're jealous of success or
whatever it is right their own inadequacies whatever's going on in their
life that they're not happy about you know they're going to cause trouble so
people tried to get us cancelled what happened we went like from 700 followers to
900 like like nobody cared and then the rapper who'd already written this new
track it's called cash it's an acronym or it's not really an acronym is it that's
not a definition of an acronym it's a capital c full stop capital a full you get
the picture cash stands for clown ass shit house and he basically already had the
basic draft and then we tried to get cancelled and he went I'm not having this so
our friend went off and wrote some like mad shit like like really like the word oh my
goodness I mean Marissa I don't feel on your phone or you've got a computer or
spare device but Bruce has just posted the cartel video in the nest that's the
beginning of the song by the way the little dun dun dun that you hear in the
background but this is just like our reply to people trying to get us cancelled
Marissa I don't know what to say I mean don't try to get us cancelled
yeah trying to play that's not very good is it when you're live like on a space but
right so we're gonna do a music video I probably should show up while she watches
this right Bruce
yeah maybe or maybe her connection is being a little rocky again
I should have been quiet though like give you a woman a chance to watch it but uh
I mean I just watched it yeah music music videos music videos we're trying to look
for like previous stuff that's been done on the blockchain and we're lucky because we've
got a 450 megabyte upload capacity to be on the blockchain uh that we we did this like
months and months ago when we did the EP and then we had to work for like two weeks in the
lab to render it down to like under 150 to get it on some other platforms but so Marissa
you know there's this like limit uh of 150 on pretty much a lot of the platforms open
sea uh stargazer's got a 150 limit omniflix the first gym we ever went on I've got like
a 450 mb limit which is like really nice for people who want to do a little bit more with
just like the standard like nft uh I'm really not familiar with the technical part of that
like uh the capacity I I think it's the first time I hear about it like I'm sorry but I send
uh my materials to the platform that works everything around the drop
um so these are the stuff that they are dealing with I guess so I I I I don't I really don't know
I don't want to you know Marissa we'll have to talk we'll have to have like I say we'll have a call
someday we'll just have a bit of a chat when you've got some free time right and uh the technical
limitations are actually like really important we've been through this entire drama Bruce haven't
we like I say to get to get it oh go on Bruce we've been through some drama Bruce right oh yeah
absolutely absolutely and different platforms and not being tech geniuses yeah but it's been a
it's been an educational travel learning every day okay and uh like okay okay just go go on go on
no no no go on tell them what we're saying you guys what uh I just wanted to to ask you something
because I'm kind of starting a project uh open mic with the cash prizes would you guys be like
interested in submitting your stuff there maybe or I'm I'm just in the works of the website and
promo materials it's for the hive platform which was uh I talked about it in the beginning of the
space we want to revive the open mic contest that was pretty active 10 years ago with the cash prizes
like for uh first three prizes or whatever so I'm now in the process of contacting uh musicians and
seeing who I have on board so is is it something you guys would maybe you know take part in
oh we'll have to get on Finn's case won't we so I've been dying to get Finn doing like
some acapella it's really difficult for rap artists especially like people like Finn where
they're so used to being able to fit things in with the programming but uh Bruce what do you think
yeah why not of course
yeah so I will definitely slide into your dms in uh you know coming days and inform you a little bit
about it because I think it can be it could be cool and if it's okay with you guys I can play
something for you did you wait a minute before you do that would be amazing that would be I've been
I've been quiet all night about that but that would be amazing but Bruce did a violinist just
say I know she's you know she's got a fella I don't but did a violinist just say to me I'll slip in
your dms it's my life complete it's my life complete Bruce
I know I stop me stop me I'm sorry Marissa you know I'm only joking for the show for the culture
that's for the culture darling we would absolutely be so inspired to hear you right now it will be a
blessing absolute fucking blessing darling
okay so this is a song that I pinned on top uh short little snippets in duration of 40 seconds or
something I didn't want to do the whole song because it hasn't dropped yet so yeah I will accompany
myself on the violin because if I do it on the piano then I can't play the violin so you know
there are just not enough hands so yeah here's a song it's called I still long for you
used to lay the sheets lost in each other's eyes now I'm alone feeling like I've lost my pride
try to forget but the memories won't fade of the love that we had oh had a world at our feet
nothing could bring us down yeah somewhere down the road we let it all just dry
we fought and grind and we try to make it right but in the end our love just couldn't win the fight
I still long for your touch and the way you used to smile I regret letting go and I missed you all the while
I wish I could turn back time to what you were mine to relive the love we had make it all just fine
had a world at our feet nothing could bring us down yeah somewhere down the road we let it all just dry
I'll just dry oh we fight and grind and we try to make it right but in the end our love just couldn't win the fight
yeah I still long for your touch and the way you used to smile I regret letting go and I missed you all the while
I wish I could turn back time to what you were mine to relive the love we had make it all just yeah
I wish I could turn back time too
why do you were mine to relive the love we had make it all just fine
clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap clap your woman could sing the phone book I mean Bruce your woman could sing the phone book right
easy
that's a beautiful beautiful voice
in the words in the words in the words in the words of Simon Cowell I didn't like it I didn't like it I loved it
yeah yeah yeah you've got that vibe going on yeah thank you
that was mad that you've got a really good vibe going on you uh you know who else has got a good vibe like uh
women like musician women in the space you know uh empress you've met empress have you
she's mad
yes I I heard her in the space with David and and the hardest three it was she's a singer or I
oh she's she's all sorts oh she's fucking mad we were gonna get her on the show the other week and then I got
I don't know if it was uh real covid or fake covid like but uh she was gonna come on the show and then I was I was like oh I'm
I was like oh I'm really sorry darling she's like oh it's no problem and then she's like let's do a later
one like I was like okay but she's she's really good she's like she does uh musical stuff as well
like you know she's involved in like writing musicals and singing like operatic musical stuff as well
see this is what makes you different Marissa right I've listened to like I say 50 60 70 musicians right
I can spot what makes someone different that was awesome that by the way awesome
thank you thank you so much so that's the song that's dropping I will definitely inform you when
it when the date comes and yes now that you mention it last time I was in hard history space the one that
they uh had going on for 12 hours or something uh she was doing some songs I I think they were her originals
uh there were some funny lyrics to it but it all kind of rhymed and it was it was good yeah yeah
or she does some wacky stuff I'm not I like that that's how if you said to me give me give me one
object and I've been listening after a good few weeks one one objective to describe uh empress will be
wacky just like proper crazy you can imagine I'm meeting in like real life and like ordering a coffee and
coffee and like some operatic like musical you know Alice in Wonderland voice or something like
that like that's the kind of character she is it's quite funny like we're very clever very very clever
but also like you know like a lot of people going through issues in life and you know uh Marissa
I find a lot of people find solace on their twitter spaces unlike like things like live streams
people can like come on they can be chilling in their pajamas or they can be out walking their dogs
and everybody has the opportunity to like come and join in we I mean tonight no one's requested
because they're all a great audience but and we normally have a much bigger audience actually
for Fridays uh I will say that like yeah spaces has this connection that I don't think you can find
anywhere else I really don't and that's why like everybody wants to migrate and come over from clubhouse
blah blah blah but I think especially for what you're doing that's like that where can we get that
yeah your video on demand will be great but how often are you going to get that right you can like freely
come and jump on a space when you've got some free time you can do that you can make people smile
I think that's the point of what I'm trying to see you can make people smile
yeah I definitely agree it's it's kind of got this relaxed uh vibe to it and it's kind of like you know
sitting in a coffee shop without having uh you know to worry about how you look
what are you wearing where are you you could just you know tap in from your phone from your car
I the other day I was in a grocery store people were looking at me like what is she doing I was
talking in English and you know ordering some cheese up front on the refrigerator so yeah it's cool it's
definitely different than anything
oh we're uh joined uh here by an esteemed uh speaker uh Marisa uh Tank is one of our great friends of the
the show being a regular co-host at times uh he's a he's a let's say he's a hot I mean Bruce you sum up Tank
I don't want to do that you you sum up Tank in a few words before we bring him in
how would you sum up Bruce I think uh he's a hard ass that has taken advanced courses in
hockey and then he's also very good at business I think something like that right that was not bad
that was diplomatic that was the most diplomatic I've ever heard you're actually I wish you were
that diplomatic about me in private chats but never mind do not go there you gotta earn it man you
gotta earn it I tell you what Tank Tank you're gonna go back on the replay you're gonna wait for
fins edit on Spotify you're not gonna go to terrorspaces.org because who does let's be honest
I don't I've got to Spotify me or if you've got an iPhone go to iTunes the edit will be there
he Finn's been doing some amazing stuff the easter eggs are ridiculous if you're not honestly if
you're not live don't listen to the spaces replay please get wait it'll be up in four or five hours
on Spotify whatever but uh yeah Tank you know we try to give people introductions however your woman
has surprised us tonight she's only just dropped a tune after like a one hour ten minutes I think
just over one hour ten minutes right Tank she's like she's like shall I drop a tune come on then
let's go however the banter Tank has been really good you'll really appreciate going back and listen
to this and go ah wait a minute I heard that anyway brother welcome to the stage how are you doing
brother you okay good morning guys good morning yeah I'm actually in the car driving my uh my oldest
who's feeling much better uh to his uh chiropractic employment uh but yeah I love it I'm an experienced
and advanced hugger almost have a master's degree in it almost uh yeah no I'm actually funny robot I
actually do uh I probably go to terrorspaces uh the website more than Spotify recently I don't know
why that is but I've been I definitely have been doing that but it's funny that you brought that up
so I'll definitely have to check it out either either one because I do have both though
he's just not making it mobile friendly and he knows and I think this I mean this is whole the
whole part of the charade uh but Tank we've had some great conversations tonight about music
well today about music distribution about royalties we've had all of the typical music NFT like crack
that we've been having over the last few weeks that's why I think it's important that you go back and
listen to what uh Marissa was saying about like uh crypto twitter and about music and what what's
happening and who the real people are these days any comments on the current web 3 NFT music industry
as a general any comments Tank no yeah you know I was uh talking to uh our friends over there at
DowDow yesterday on a space we were actually talking about NFTs and you know like recently I've been
really probably like past six months to a year I've been really just beating that drum of NFTs and
you know definitely what you guys have been doing is super super innovating we talked about yesterday
like dynamic NFTs and what that really means uh as far as like the applicable side in the real world
uh use case uh conversation uh and obviously like a lot of us yesterday we went straight into like
ticket sales and like exclusive merch or like you know benefits for holding it like an artist could
like drop an NFT and like you get like first dibs or first rights or you know before the sellout
whatever like there's so many applicable things that you could do on the artist side of things
when it comes to NFTs and yeah I love it man I think you guys are we went much deeper than that but I
think on that on that part of the conversation as far as NFTs go like you guys are definitely uh really
pushing the boundaries and showing what that's capable of uh regardless of the context within it like
like Rack FM has probably been one of the most strongest ones uh especially with the EP drops in the
Cosmos ecosystem uh showing like what that can like tie to like you guys have a DAO on top of that you're
like showing what music NFTs can open with open mentors and stuff like that like so it's pretty cool man
yeah that's an interesting one because we have had to sidestep the DAO to move quickly we can have
that conversation and we've had it in private and will become public eventually the whole thing
uh so Marissa yeah how do you feel about like DAOs uh decentralized uh autonomous organizations so
obviously like I know what you were saying about maybe coming a bit late and not really like getting
everything because you're focusing on the music and blah blah but have you looked at like DAOs like
how you can run your kind of own empire for want of a better word
oh we might have lost Marissa for a moment yeah I'm here I I'm not really like uh educated on that
topic I've heard about it and I've seen people engage with it and you know talk about it on the spaces but
uh I really hadn't have uh you know time to really uh really investigate that and do you know my
intelligence work I uh I don't have a lot of time in a in a day like maybe uh hour or hour and a half
with the you know kids and the job and everything so I I try to focus as much as I can on uh music and
um like yeah songwriting because there isn't much time but you can you know inform me about the DAOs
what's that in in the future in the future DAOs will be the best chance that web or the
the only avenue that web3 musicians will have to like engage with their fans everything will be
built around and the thing is what is the DAO it's you like you are the centrifugal like point of the
whole thing but you can like break things up you know you you're in charge of your own organization
but you get the ability to be able to break things up and give like governance right so I'll give you a
quick example okay we have a DAO right there are six of us on the multi-seek right so we have
obviously like a quorum limit we have like governance voting etc etc right and we did change
it by the way to make it more efficient uh but we we have like thresholds in place where you know
half the group need to be like right this is a good idea we're of the intelligence where we're like
okay half the group might be busy the other half of the group whoever the half are they'll be
intelligent and make the right decision right but we can like control everything on a multi-seek
but when we drop the second EP those people that have collected those four singles on Stargaze
that will then qualify for the free EP are then going to be able to go to our DAO we've created a
sub DAO so there's six of us on the parent DAO right that uh you know with a community trust us but
there's still six of us like we're not we're all normal people so if there's one bad apple we'll get
rid of them very very quickly or two bad apples we'll get rid of them very even three bad apples
we can get rid of them quickly all right but let's just say that now the when we drop the EP
people can come to the DAO they can stake it then for EP4 so EP3's already pretty much decided the
beats but EP4 the final EP of the album we're going to do uh BBG uh beats by governance and we've got
multiple choice voting and I'm just giving you an example of the power of DAOs right we've got
multiple choice voting so uh what we do is the the parent DAOs we put a problem in the sub DAO
the sub DAO is owned by all of the people who own the EP everybody who invested and we say right
there's one track there's one track which one do you want because we've got multiple choice voting
now on DAODAO we've had it for quite a while and the public essentially it is your fan base when it's
public actually it's your fan base isn't it who are vested in it who bought your four singles
right they've got the EP airdrop they've staked the EP airdrop then they can then vote on
beat A or beat B for track one and and that's what we're going to do we're going to do beats by
governance uh Marissa so you know how serious we are and we're not utter players but DAOs are very
clever you can do a lot of stuff but oh I can't wait to get on a call with Marissa someday you want
to get on a call with signal I'll say he's a he's the DAO guy but yeah you know what we mean
Marissa the technology is crazy right now it's going mental before we bring in Tank anything you
want to say Dolan yeah it's definitely crazy with the technology I really have a lot a lot to learn
and you know but but I'm trying to keep up like when I remember myself entering the space
uh but I was really illiterate on like everything because my husband if we if he would go into the
uh crypto stuff explaining it to me it would just come on one ear and just you know exit on the other
one I was always somewhere else you know so I I really learned a lot but you know there's there's
more and it's all evolving so fast so not not sure if I can keep up but I'm really doing my best
just to give a shout out before we bring Tank in just to give a quite quick shout out
I rated the beginning like Marissa was like bro come on like me fellas been into for ages but like
I just didn't give a shit like I didn't even know what gas was at first like when she first joined the
space Marissa you've been I'll tell you what Dolan you've been an absolute golden diamond guest
tonight like I've I've enjoyed this convo I didn't know oh it's being dynamite apps I can't wait for
my friends and that to listen to the replayer Tank yeah you got your hand up brother yeah no I just
kind of want to elaborate real quickly on like uh what DAOs are and what uh they can be to many
different people like uh a DAO is just kind of like uh in my humble opinion of the way I view
things it's kind of like the base layer name that we stick on things right but a DAO depending on the
application can be many many different things in regards of like music artists and NFTs and stuff
like that like when you attach a DAO to your music NFTs uh in my mind you're really replacing all the
middlemen that you know suck the life out of profitability for artists uh and that's not necessarily
like in general that the whole record label uh entity but the people within the record label
uh who are all like middlemen like they all need they all have like um a salary that they have to
get paid and they have like a little bit of a function but it's those people that you kind of
like replace with uh with a DAO like say like a promotional manager right or maybe like a general
marketing manager uh if you want to call it that uh when you set up a DAO uh attached to your music or
to your art whatever it is you basically involve your community and yourself directly uh and so like
you're just replacing that middleman uh with the DAO uh which is a lot more uh controlled by the artist
obviously and if you want like Robo was saying you can give parameters to your community to control
certain aspects of it as well um but then it can get like depending on how you set it up and how
your brain like envisions your art and how you want to incorporate your community or your base or the
people that you want to reach like there's many different forms that that DAO can actually take
shape of uh and so like I just kind of want to elaborate on that like DAOs are a very powerful tool
for artists yeah they're not only a very important uh tool for artists and by the way can we shout out
Timmy and I know you always do this recently but guys you just need to listen why we did tell the
Timmy story to Marissa earlier about the situation with uh Omni versus like OpenSea and obviously SG and
other platforms about the limits the 150 uh the 450 I did send Timmy an invite to come up and speak
but Marissa he could tell you about the journey or the the effort with rendering and like the
difference between having that capability yeah we talked about this earlier but what Tang's what
Tang's talking about yes Marissa when you come to DAOs there are primarily three ways to be able to
create a DAO yeah you can create a DAO uh by a multi-sig so this is where there's a trusted set of
people that have like preliminary been agreed upon uh like us we have six people we all
have equal votes right that's called a multi-sig yeah uh that is a group of people say like you and
your your hubby or whatever you and your fella you could be the multi-sig on your you know you know
you might I don't know you might have someone else the artist involved or whatever right but you can
have that like where people you can have it where it's NFT based so anybody that's got an NFT
a particular NFT that's related to that DAO can stake it within that DAO and then they've got
governance rights right they've got the ability to vote and then there's a token based DAO where
somehow from some distribution there's a token created and then that token is distributed by
whichever mechanism by the way there's a lot of mechanisms to distribute tokens but at the moment
primarily we have those three yeah Timmy we'll get you straight in primarily uh Marissa we do have
what Tank was talking about just to expand on it quickly there are the three options at the minute
to run a DAO which is a decentralized autonomous organization and that is a multi-sig with a
group of people it is an NFT based one which is obviously community uh and then obviously you've
got your token based one uh Timmy welcome to the room I mean we've talked about you all night by the
way all night that's funny to hear when it's morning for me but hello everybody welcome to
I just wanted to shout out real quick with listening to you guys obviously I think DAODAO has tried to
do a helpful unifying UX sort of thing but I think has actually hurt people's ability to onboard and
understand DAOs and I know this because what I've been doing recently is like consultation and advisory
work for various projects and two of the ones I've been working with are total web 2 entities they're
coming into web 3 to use our tech as sort of an infrastructure you know they're not necessarily
going full decentralized blah blah blah and so they've played around with DAOs and multi-sigs and the
language people have tried to start using lately has made things way more confusing so DAOs and multi-sigs
totally separate things they're they're not the same for some reason DAODAO has decided to call
both of them types of DAOs but I think when explaining to new people it's way more easy to just keep it
super simple a DAO is an address on chain that's controlled by anyone who holds a certain token
a multi-sig is an address on chain that's controlled by a set group of people like it's that simple they're
that different the only commonality is that they're one of many ways not just those two
for an on-chain address to be controlled by something other than an individual with the seed phrase
I love it Timmy I love it I'm a Nazi when it comes to this kind of like grammar not right I guess let
me let me jump in like because that's kind of like right you know I was right because he didn't
separate fungible and non-fungible he just said token which and he's right he's there's no difference
between the NFT stake and DAOs and the tokenized stake and DAOs right Timmy there's no difference
yeah no not really I mean um the only only one where you could technically maybe say there's a
difference is if there was a DAO with soulbound tokens because then you can maybe say that's kind
of like a multi-sig where only but if more of those tokens can come into existence then you know
still a DAO but yeah absolutely NFT DAOs same thing you have to hold a token and NFT is one type
of token um to be able to access this this address and vote and things and do stuff totally
so to me very quickly because we did mention you earlier several times like I said so having the
ability uh obviously we're going to do this music video to you as the executive producer right we
know you've got an understudy we all know as the executive producer of this uh music video
what's the difference between a drop on omni with a 450 limit compared to like open sea or stargaze
with a 150 limit to you is like the guy that's all do this I haven't used open season forever is
their limit the same as stargaze these days that's my only question I'm not sure what it's 150 on
stargaze yeah we've got yeah over there sorry open sea open sea sorry sorry yeah we've got stuff over
that's 150 yeah it's a big difference like when you are talking about video the way that compression
works I mean it depends how long your video is you know 50 megabytes 100 megabytes may not be able
to cut it all but like when you're in the rough range of video that we were working with so like
10 to 20 minutes 5 to 15 minutes that sort of range like 50 or so megabytes here or there
can make like a huge difference in output quality so luckily like this being my background I know
what types of files to compress in what way to get the most quality for the least size but just having
that extra wiggle room on OmniFlix made all the difference I actually exported one that would have
fit on stars just because I was a curious and we were a thinking about it and it looked significantly
worse like whenever um you know if you guys know the video we're talking about it had sort of a beat
reactive uh effect to it and whenever there was like more than three hard kick drums in a row or
something so the effect flash price it would just start pixelating and kind of breaking down and trying
to like compress data so OmniFlix I don't even think they need to go that much higher unless they
start to support like movies um you could actually with certain codecs as long as they support them
you can fit a full like episode of a tv show on OmniFlix in decent quality which is
a fucking technological marvel to have that all running through web3 infrastructure like they killed that
and that's why uh we were shouting out Timmy earlier I mean Timmy I would talk about a lot more
obviously your woman's time is precious I do know this uh but I do know about the journey you had
to try to keep quality to go from like 436 or 438 whatever the original was on Omni
to be able to airdrop that to the new people who bought you know we did this out of our goodness of
our hearts like okay wow look this first single's been a real success 138 people we've obviously got
new fans let's drop them the first ep like even though they've just bought the first track so like
to me that must have been a bit difficult though to get that from and not lose I yeah dude I go look
at mine now I can't see a difference in quality to get like 450 from 150 must have been a right
slog like no or was it easy it's one of those things that's hard to learn but easiest to do
once you know it because it's really just picking the right settings and then letting the computer
do the thing right but you have to understand those settings so it's it didn't like take a ton
of time because I'm used to compressing stuff but it's something where if you had given this task to
someone else who hadn't done it before it would have been like they probably would have googled
for hours to figure out how to do it you know it's one of those things and on a scale of one to ten
how excited are you to be editing or executive producer on this like con like timmy I'm not
putting the content for people who don't know who I weren't here in the last space before I
before I got my first real like nine five job and then continuing up
until I got into web three full-time alongside my boring job I actually did music videos that
was like my thing I would film I would even edit when people in other parts of the world filmed
so I'm on board you could say a hundred percent just for anything music related at all times
so basically people listening might actually start to get with the program and might actually start to
realize what we're about to like uh produce and put out and put oh my god is that clutch
shout out clutch down there in the audience oh I love a bit of my clutch brother I tell you what
you want to get on this show guys that do this twice a day every day of the week right
him and drew uh what's the other fellas name I forgot the player quicks I shout out
shout out my friend anybody anybody that gets an intro like that from robo gets an insta follow by me
what's up clutch follow you now dude he's having a burrito man he lives in a fucking mansion somewhere
down in a caribbean oh this cunt man he convinces people he's in like new york or something he's
fucking down in the cartel land or something but I mean does anybody know anyone in the caribbean
like either of the virgin islands where the i've never heard is that the caribbean don't you say
you've never heard of the caribbean robo is that the caribbean is that the caribbean is it yes yes
yes like the jacobean like yeah like haiti haiti virgin island that sort of thing before before
we go back to marissa yeah before we go back to marissa because you're probably things were mad
and we will close out the show you're totally right it is caribbean but yeah it's fucking we
have caribbean cruise lines in america that pronounce it that way so it's always in our head
for all my mothers on one of those cruises every other fortnight honestly like she'll like
honestly did you like them i've heard such mixed reviews on cruises in general
dude she's just had two for free because one caught fire and one had bed bugs so she got the
fucking them all for free uh it's a long story i want to niche it i want to give me mate a shout
out down in the audience signal and so i mean this is like one of the things i really intend to talk
to marissa about is uh stargazers open edition minter i would love it before we close out the
show if uh mr b i'll call him mr b i've met him in real life i've got that privilege i'd love him if
he could just come up and say like how happy he is to like i've done what he did triple digits is
amazing when you start like keep on going over the period i kind of get like me and him had a chat the
other day we had i've gotta not lie to you right okay signal last week seven days ago nearly seven
days ago released an open winter he's been in the dms with that brotherly love i've just been through
what he's going through so what am i gonna do shouldn't my brother of course i'm not he's like
dude i can't believe this and i'm like i know i know it's amazing and he's like bro and i'm like
bro like we're like proper dickheads you know like 14 years old or something like i wake up the
next morning i'm like what did i act like that was signal never mind okay moving on uh i've got to say
he they have done class numbers i'm so happy to see the open minter marissa you just you deserve an
open minter edition contract you you deserve to see how easy and swift and efficient like
technology can be how easy you can make your life like once you try once on testnet you never go
back that's all i'm saying yeah i i was trying to you know write all these things down as you were
saying about the bells and everything i will definitely have some questions for you uh later
in the dms do you know do you know what we should do i can hear you like twinging that i know you're
going to play a track i know you're going to play a track i know it's coming right i can sense it's
coming but you know you should do you should download a leap wallet right whether you do it
on your mobile whether you're doing on your computer whatever but obviously same as anything
metamask it's just a simple seed phrase yeah record it properly like we do you know opsec but
download a leap wallet right leap you'll find it on android or itunes or i store whatever whatever
app store just download leap wallet and i will send you our music just just just just for you to
like get the music on there and you can they'll play on the mobile whatever but yeah yeah yeah we'll
talk about that tomorrow because it's quite late here so i heard you like ding ding ding ding what are we
here you there yeah i have a tune ready it's it's from the movie uh gladiator so it's not an original
i did that so uh i think that would be like the holy are you kidding me to you know uh say goodbye to
you guys are you kidding me wait a minute maximus meridius the third you're joking a gladiator oh my
goodness i'm gonna die i'm gonna die yeah i've been uh some uh things uh at the top of the the space
for you guys who entered it later so check out my my twitter profile my ex profile the pin tweets
give me a follow it will really mean a lot and okay so here goes the will you will you come back
marissa in the future will you come back we would love to have you back in the future when you're not
so busy in that darling will you come back yeah just you know send me the space invite in the dm if i
miss it here on the timeline and i'll be there definitely you're you're a friend of the show
you're a long-term like lifelong friend of the show now you do realize that right you're in the
blood family now you're in the raccoons now woman only way i work yeah thanks okay so here it goes
you're welcome
you're welcome
I can't believe it.
Anybody else got chills or not?
That was beautiful.
That was awesome.
Thank you so much, Tenderman.
Yeah, this is one of my favorite soundtracks.
I'm not sure.
Was it Hans Zimmer?
Or I think it was Hans Zimmer.
It's such a gorgeous piece.
Correct me.
I don't want to sound too ignorant, hopefully.
That was violin, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's violin.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Okay.
Awesome.
We talked about musical scores earlier, Timmy.
But honestly, there are some musical scores that are just like the resonating, like Gladiator,
Last of the Mohicans, Lord of the Rings.
There are just these like orchestral like delights, isn't that?
I've never done the music video.
You can't fade Hans Zimmer.
That could be fun.
Wait a minute.
Can I ask you, though, guys, a question?
You do know that every orchestral performance, like in the world, starts with a violin.
You do know like every piece of like classical music ever written, everything starts with
like a violin, right?
You do know this.
That's not true.
It is?
All right.
Okay.
Marissa, I don't know if that's a solid all-around fact, but now that you point it out, the ones
that come to mind.
I can tell you, I can tell you that the violin is the leading of every piece.
Isn't that right, Marissa?
It is, I'll tell you.
I don't know if it's every piece per se, but like most of the pieces, yes.
At least if they are not violins, violinists need to stand up at the beginning of a concert
and, you know, tune in the orchestra.
So you always participate either way.
That's what I meant, the orchestral performance guys, by the way.
That's what I was talking about.
That's what I thought.
I thought it was the violin that was like the key, like the lead-in for like all of the
live performances.
Yes.
Yeah, I think you might be thinking of what she just mentioned with like kind of tuning,
getting everyone in tune.
Is that usually the violinist's job?
Is that what you were saying?
Yeah.
The first A note is given by the oboist and then violin takes it and gives it to all the
strings.
So, yeah, you always participate.
But there are some pieces, orchestra pieces, where there are not violins involved, although
they're very rare because there's no point without, you know, violins.
Violins is the best.
I love that.
That's a true violin.
There's no point without violins, really.
So we ignore those.
If you ask the Russian composer, Tchaikovsky, then artillery cannons are the best because
they just support the percussion session so, so.
Am I getting rugged again, Bruce, or not?
Am I getting rugged again?
I've just started to jump my own back in.
You seem okay.
It was the, it was the, I got rugged there, guys.
I couldn't hear anybody.
It was the RTVE symphony orchestra out of Spain, Marisha, that did, when I was talking
about the, earlier about the kiss, I've never, ever heard anything like this in my
life.
It's like, I've got alarm clocks of this, like, thing, this, like, diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly.
Like, it's like, oh my goodness, I've never, I've never heard anything that, you know, your
spider senses, like, just go, boom, I'm awake, okay.
Like, I can be dying on the deathbed, and I can listen to this song, diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly.
And I can just, like, jump out, and I'm like, I'm alive, I'm alive.
Let's go, round two, round three, where are we going?
Oh, it's so good.
What's the Beast called?
It's, uh, Trevor Jones, uh, it's, it, well, it's a little bit of a combination in the movie
score, isn't it, but it's The Kiss by Trevor Jones, uh, so he did the Elkhorn, I mean, he
does more, obviously, but, you know, The Last of the Mohicans, you know, the movie with Daniel
Day-Lewis, The Last of the Mohicans, and there's, like, this end scene where the women
get kidnapped and they're burning the guy on the stake and have to shoot him in the head,
and then diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly-diddly.
But when Trevor Jones, who composed, uh, The Elkhorn and The Kiss, oh, oh my god, holy,
no way that's it oh my god i think that's that's it i remember i i was playing uh it was really
funny story like a few years ago i i played this wedding here in in split i i live in split in in
croatia which is very popular for weddings and you know luxury weddings whatever and they wanted a
solo violin to play in the church and the bride asked that i play the last of the mohicans uh
while she goes you know to the altar and i didn't know the piece back then but i assume it's a slow
piece because you know you always walk down the aisle to some you know like slow piece and this
was just like you know horses running and i was like okay let's do this but i remember playing it
yeah the the weird thing is the elk hunt and the kiss kind of blend into one another but the the
elk hunt by trevor jones has got that big like i forgot the name of the drum you know the big drum
with the huge things where the bang like boom and it's like the marching sound so that you hear the
march in the song but then the kiss comes in it's like diddle it that's what you played that diddle
it diddle it diddle it like and that's where oh my god i mean um that's this is 30 years of my life
daniel day lewis is my favorite actor of all time like i mean god how much does that song mean to me
like i've been listening oh like sorry for interrupting but is it is it is this is it
okay so
okay yeah i've got this oh my god i'm dying i'm like my face is red as fuck right now
my face is like a fucking pumpkin my face is like a pumpkin right now honestly i'm like i'm
proper i can't stop smiling like diddle it oh woman you don't even know what you do to your man
yeah frigate bruce take over the show bruce that is like oh yeah this is this is a great piece like
it has that irish jig vibe yeah i love it
fuck i've got holy fuck i've got tears coming down my eyes yeah like actually like i'm laughing
like i'm laughing i'm just enjoying it like tap on the feet like there's there's something about
music isn't there like are we all your man say oh this guy's a drop of music uh by the way i know
we're short on time uh but we're always gonna we're the public square you know i'm just gonna say
that music more than anything in your life though is is it's a release valve isn't it
like i'm not a musician but i listen to it and i listen to it intently and i listen to the stuff i
love but like i can be in the worst mood or i've had the worst day go home i grab the dogs put the
headphones in stick some bob dylan on some roger waters go for a walk come back i've got a completely
different outlook on life it takes one album oh sorry marissa yeah we're gonna say something
no no no no no no no it takes one album in 90 minutes and a good walk to like change your entire
mindset from like wanting to kill people to look like being the nicest person on earth music is
i've said this many times in my life music is food for the soul our souls need food and that food is
music you're never gonna get that with tv or any other bullshit there's nothing where you can just
close your eyes and just listen like there's no book that you can ever do that with is there no no
movie no there's nothing where you can just close your eyes and tap your feet and go i was when you
were doing that for as short as it was you give me a moment that's what i'm trying to express woman
do you understand what i mean you give me a moment in my life thank you
yeah yeah no thanks for receiving it so well i i can't believe i found the sheet on the internet i
mean i when you started singing to idly doodly but you know i i can't figure the notes from it
and then now you mentioned bob dylan um maybe i can do another cover um i'm not sure if it's his song
but uh make you feel make you feel my love is it bob dylan originally
is it oh yeah bob dylan wrote that yeah bob dylan wrote that one i don't know who sang it for like
bob dylan the thing is bob dylan wrote songs for the people didn't he like all along the watchtower
was uh written for jimmy and riggs and blah blah blah but i can't remember who sang that i don't know
if it was dylan or not i think it was adele but i think he did it originally it was really like
his song and then she made it uh you know more famous i think because you know it's adele
marissa uh i don't know if you've liked obviously you probably have but if you haven't dylan's
performance of uh mr tambourine man on the isle of white in 1965 or four i think it is i think
it's 65 actually might be 64 but if you if you have never seen this performance honest to god for
for me just go and look at dylan's like performance of the isle of white festival which is still going
on to this day and tell me that's not one of the greatest songs and performances like on a harmonica
like dylan oh he can pull my heartstrings like nobody else i love that man even after late
so what you got some dylan you got some dylan in your repertoire no way
i i i have this song i i always like this song hey guys i sorry to interject just don't want to
leave silently but i gotta hop for a call i will try and join back after if you guys are still going
beautiful music though america i'm gonna give you a follow and uh thanks for hosting as always robo
talk talk later guys take care timmy take care oh he's a good guy our executive producer i love
his old business isn't he and i can see uh frameworks here but we'll we'll quickly carry on and then we'll
bring in dude in a minute uh yes darling you've got the floor we're all gonna go on mute and just
listen in yeah so i will play this one and then i really have to hop off um it's been a pleasure today
it's really been educational and fun and relaxing and for one time like a reality check on the space
and web3 in general so i really appreciate that uh so yeah this is a song by bob dylan okay
When the rain is blowing in your face
And the whole world is only your case
I could offer you a warm embrace
To make you feel my love
When the evening shadows and the stars appear
There isn't no one there to dry your tears
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love
I know you haven't made your mind up yet
But I will never do you wrong
I learned it from the moment that we met
No doubt in my mind where you belong
I'll go hungry, I'll go black and blue
I'll go crawling down the avenue
Though there's nothing that I wouldn't do
To make you feel my love
To make you feel my love
Rosie, take the mic, Matt
Take the mic, go on a second
Well, while he's waiting, can I get you on a song?
Then I also would like to get some artillery cannons as the base as well
If that's possible
If anybody can do that
So the last time I heard that song
That song sung more like that was my mum
When I was leaving in 2007
After the big party and we had the karaoke thing and everything
And I'm not shitting you
My mother's been a singer for years
She was singing around something for like 20 odd years
And that was a song that she sung to me
Before I left England
Like all those years ago
Like mad as fuck
Honestly, woman
You tonight have been exactly what this industry needs
I'm telling you
This space
I don't care about the numbers that there's on here
We've got it archived
It's in the library
Finn will do an amazing intro and outro
This tonight has been really
Actually
Honestly, Marissa though
Your views
And I'm so glad that we're not the only people
Who are thinking like what you are
That like
Why is there no like pushback
On like people who are like
Just coming up here and like blagging shit really
Like I mean
There's
You know
I don't buy fucking second hand trainers
Or second hand sneakers
For a reason
Right
I go to shop and I buy new ones
Right
So I want a nice new pair of shit
Like
I didn't want to walk around in shit
Like I'm not going to say
Why do I want to listen to shit
That's not what was said earlier
It was just like
Well, why can't there be some constructive criticism
Some feedback
And I can see
Obviously we've got a new musician
I know you've got to go
Marissa, you can jump out at any time
But we have got a fellow musician
Very quickly
Yeah, Framework Fortune
Do you want to jump in
And say anything on the music scene
Quickly?
Yeah, can you hear me?
Yeah, you're Gucci
You're Gucci, bro
Okay, okay
Yeah, I just love to
You know, work with
Was it Marissa?
Amazing music
Amazing
What you're doing
Your voice, everything
Incredible
Yeah, it's Marissa
Nice to meet you, Framework
I will give you a follow
Yeah, I already followed you for sure
We'll
I mean, I guess I love to collab with you
I do
A lot of different
Type of music
But mainly hip-hop
Right at the moment
But yeah
There's always different ways
All of them different strings
That you're able to play
And your voice
Yeah, do some amazing stuff
For sure
Hopefully
Thank you so much
Thank you
Hopefully, Marissa
Would you come back
If we can get like
This is my plan
My ideal lineup
And you don't have to sing
It's just a talk
This is what's more important
Like tonight
What's been more important, guys
For anyone who's been in here all night
The talk or the music
No, no
The music's been very secondary
It's been a by-product of the Convo
We're here for the Convo
We can grab music anywhere
Fondue
Empress
Because I like Empress
With that crazy
Like operatic
Like crazy musical shit
It's just funny
Heartistry
Honestly
It'll be a pleasure
In the future
You know
When you're not so busy
You know
After you drop
To have like
A few of yous on the show
You know
But just to talk
To discuss issues
Like royalties
Like the things
We've talked about tonight
I hope you appreciate
Marissa
That we brought you on
Tonight for your IQ
Rather than your musical talent
I hope you've picked up
On that, right?
Yeah
Yeah
Thanks so much
I mean
I know
I wasn't helpful
On some questions
Because I
Need to do some digging
But yeah
I'm definitely on
For the space
With the heartistry
And fondue
Those are musicians
I really
You know
Like
Cherish here
In the space
Because they're a rarity
And Empress
Is such a cool girl
So yeah
When you have the dates
Amen
Don't
Don't undersell
By the way
Don't undersell
What you did tonight
You said
What many of us
Who were not musicians
Have wanted to say
For a long time
And I'm
Stoked
That you're
That kind of person
That's who we hang with
Bruce are you back
Or are you
In Tenerife
Or something
You daft cunt
Where the fuck
Is Bruce like
I mean
I keep trying to bring him in
And he's dead
Right okay
Bruce you're dead to me
You're not even
Ever
Don't expect ever
To be a co-host
On the show again
But Marissa
I do
I know you've got a jump
Darling
We're on the 2-0 mark
It's been a pleasure
And a chore
You're welcome back
Any time
To chill
To talk
Cut the shit
Whatever you want
But don't
Underestimate
The value
Of the very fact
That you're one of the very few
Musicians
Who are willing to just like
Say how it is
In Web3
And for that
I'll be eternally grateful
Mind
I'll not forget you
In a hurry
Woman
Yeah
Thanks so much
It was really fun
And to
To play some tunes
That I haven't played
In a
In some time
Thanks for having me
And you know
Talk to you soon
Really
Really
It was
It was
Some space today
Bye guys
No worries
Take care
Oh your woman
Did fucking
Last of the Mohicans
Diddly
Diddly
Diddly
Diddly
Diddly
Diddly
Diddly
What a fanboy moment
I've only been tweeting
For like three years
Four years
About this shit
Like saying
I wake up to this shit
Sometimes man
The Kiss
By Trevor Jones
It's like
See I've got a crush
On this violinist
This Spanish violinist
From 206
Oh I go back
Don't I'm an old fella
Anyway
We're gonna end it out
I do have to say
That was magnificent
What a great space
To have
Really
It's not often
Robbo's gonna come on
And be like
Holy fuck
Like that was a
Pleasure
Normally it's work
I mean Jonathan
Was great last night
But it was work
The TFL one the other day
Great but it's work
I haven't got time
To like
Sit back
Tap my feet
Just enjoy
But I did tonight
Didn't I
Damn right
Did Robbo enjoy tonight
Anyway
Framework
If you wanna close us out
If you wanna tell us
What you've got coming up
Or what you've got dropping
By the way
Everybody
Please give Marissa
A follow
If you can
If you do
Explore other networks
Other than
Just being a
Cosmos pleb
Watch out for a drop
In five days
Your woman's on fire
Like she's got some
Good shit going on
She's not stupid
She's worth
She's well worth
Keeping your eye on
But yeah
Framework
Anything
Yeah
I'm about to
Come back
And catch what
You were talking about
About the problem
With music
Artists in Web3
That's interesting
Cause like you know
I just came off a hiatus
So I'm
You know
This Web3 music thing
Is kinda new to me
No it's about
The quality
It's about the quality
It's about
Look dude
Look dude
Look anybody
With a fucking guitar
And a fucking
Twitter account
Can't just sit there
And use it
Look dude
There's a rate
What she's talking about
Is there's a big
Fucking blag
Right now
Of people coming up
Who just like
Top of fucking shit
Like I'm gonna put it
In layman's terms
Like there's musicians
And then there's people
Who are like
Fucking
And the thing is
There's no pushback
On anybody
Everybody's
Great
Spaces
You must
Just because you can
Pick up a guitar
Strum it
And fucking
Sing a line
You must bow down
To them
They're fantastic
Right
That's actually
A really good topic
This is a show idea
I was thinking about
Doing
Maybe we can talk about
If you've ever seen
Kill Tony
They do it for comedians
But we do it for musicians
I love Kill Tony
Kill Tony
Is one of my favorite things
I love Kill Tony
That's what I'm saying
We do a Kill Tony
Music show
Because you're right
This is a problem
It's not
It's the same
In the comedic art form
You know
And AI is gonna make it
Even
I mean
I don't have a problem
With AI
I use AI for some things
You can
Sit there
And put a whole
Just tell
ChatGBT
To write a whole song
For you
And it will
Of course
It's gonna bite
From lyrics
That's across
All the songs
That it can reach to
You know
There's a
Technological
Disadvantage
An advantage
Right now
For musicians
But like you said
With Twitter
And everything else
You're getting people
Who are not musicians
Not comedians
Or they've never
Practiced
Or never done it
And they're
You know
Good on them
For trying
But it is an art form
You can't just
Put it out
And hope that
Something happens
Like you gotta
Practice and get
Better and better
And all that
And promote
Well
We need that
We need that
To a Tony
Music show
I'm glad you're
On that same page
Well Mr
Mr Framework
We will continue
This conversation
At a later date
And you know why
The boogeyman
Right
Candyman
Terror Spaces
Has just dropped
In the room
Shout out
Terror Spaces
Guys
He does endless
Work for the community
You can find us
On Spotify
iTunes
Google Podcasts
Everywhere
With class
Intros and outros
Just down to this guy
He does a lot of
Great work
I know he's had a
Lie in
Cheeky lad
I just want to
Round it out
We're finished
We're on the
Two hour
Ten minute mark
I know your woman's
Still here
I just want to say
This has been
A great
Fucking space
You know why
No expectations
No vast
Like previous
Knowledge of one another
Just general
Really open
Honest
Like dialogue
Like incredible
Crack
Right
I might be a
Pikey
I might talk
About crack
Right
And it's
It's not the
Crack that you
Think you
Americans
It's C
Fucking
Fucking
Right
Like
This is what
Rack FM
Will
Always has been
And always will
Continue to be
And that's why
We feel like
People like
Marissa
They're going to
Come on
They're going to
Feel comfortable
Immediately
Sitting around
The campfire
Let's have a
Chat
Let's talk
I don't know
An hour and a half
Before I even
Think about
Playing a song
That's what we want
And that's what we've
Had tonight
And I'll be
Internally grateful
For the laughs
The giggles
The enjoyment
That your woman's
Giving me tonight
She's really put a
Smile on my face
And that's not
Often that that
Happens to mine
Where I'm
Listening to people
I'm like
Ride on sister
Ride on sister
I don't know
She's still listening
I know she jumped
Out earlier
But literally
If you are
You're listening
To the replay
I'm telling you
That's my words
Right now
To end the show
Is like
Ride on sister
Power to the people
I love that crack
Bruce
For the 18th time
Tonight
Do you want to
Respond
Or have you
Been killed
I mean
At this point
I'd be properly
Like happy
If you're being
Killed by some
Serial fucking
Killer
Like in your
Apartment
In the Somali
Neighbourhoods
Of Copenhagen
Is that right
Is that where you
Are right now
In the Somali
Neighbourhood
Nah he's
Definitely dead
Okay
To be fair
If Bruce is dead
Well then
The treasury
We've got
The treasury
Going between
Five people
Isn't it
So actually
I don't know
My feelings
Are contrasted
Right now
Bruce is dead
We've got more
Money
Per capita
If he is dead
I mean
Sometimes
He does do
A good job
Tonight
He's been
Particularly
Pathetic
So with that
Note
Finn
I know you're
Going to come
In with your
Wrap
You're going to
Close out the
Show
Good night
God bless
Everybody
This has been
Rack FM
And Marissa
You've been
An absolute
Legend
Holy fuck
This has been
So funny
Tonight
Take care
Everybody
Good night
And God
Bless
Once and for
