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RAC FM meets Dr Pepe.ai showcasing Proof of Life🦝
Recorded: March 11, 2025 Duration: 1:04:00Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion highlights significant developments in the crypto space, including the launch of new projects like doglife.a.i and Goat, successful fundraising efforts for protocols like Popcorn and clinical trials, and innovations in DeFi mechanisms and blockchain applications. Emerging trends such as the AI meme craze and the US's growing role as a crypto and AI hub are also noted.
Full Transcription
Good morning, Dr. Pepe, AI.
Good morning.
Hi, I know you expected to hear Robo's voice, but he's having a little technical difficulties because you know how X has been acting up.
Yeah, in the last couple of days, something's been going on.
Yeah, so I'm waiting for him to hop in.
He's going to be a co-host, but I did prepare some questions for you too, and I was going to wait a little bit while some people filtered in.
My name is B. B. Bairns. I'll log in on my account too. I am a host on Rackf with Ropo. Very nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you.
Just give me one second. Is there anyone that I was going to be on your team that you would like to send a speaker role to?
No, just be me covering Dr. Pepe tonight or today.
All right, awesome. Give me one second. I'm reaching out to Barry right now. And give me like a minute. I'll
go right back. If you've entered the room, if you could please share it, that would be awesome.
So we can get as much as many people in this space as possible while we wait for a couple more people
trickle in. So, Dr. Pepe, how did you meet Robo? I believe I was put in touch with him via alpha growth.
Oh, okay, fantastic. Yeah, the Alpha Growth is our sponsor.
Okay, cool.
That's awesome, awesome.
Great project, though.
So, you know what I'm thinking?
I don't want to hold you up for too long because we do have one hour
blocked off for you.
But I'm thinking I'm just going to start the show.
It is a recorded show.
So this beginning part is probably going to be crossed off before it's put on Spotify.
And then the rest will be...
Oh, you're on Spotify?
Yes, we have a Spotify, put on Spotify and podcast as well.
Oh, cool.
So it's recorded live on Rack FM and then Terra Spaces, which is the jam hole, goes and they edit everything and then they put it on Spotify.
Got it. Great.
So, okay.
Okay.
So I just want to let everybody know.
We won't be taking requests to speak just yet until we've talked to Dr. Pepe.
This is not an open forum, but at the end, if we have time, and if while we are talking,
you would like to add some questions you're more than welcome to in the comment box on the bottom.
I will take your question and put it up in the nest for you.
Good morning, Rack FM. Today is March 11, 2025. On B-Bands, your host today. I'm supposed to be
joined by Robo and hopefully Secret Bear as co-host. Our guest today is Dr. Pepe AI. He joins us as we
chat about D-Sai, longevity, biohacking, AI, all the things, all the things. Well, welcome Dr. Pepe
AI, which...
As I read in a comment in the message below that you are Misha Zero X is your handle, correct?
That is correct.
All right.
Awesome.
Well, how are you?
I'm so glad you joined us to talk about your project.
Yeah, I'm doing great.
I was on the road for the last three weeks working back home, back in my home base.
So feeling better, less tired, more alive.
Did you get to go to East Denver?
I was in Yth Denver.
I had a lot of very good meetings.
I had a lot of people in D.C.
D.I.
D.I.
Awesome.
So I can see why you're exhausted.
So I'm so glad you're still coming on a show to talk about your project.
So I'm not,
you're not that tired.
So what inspired the creation of Dr. Pepe AI?
And how does your background as biohacking rebels shape your approach to longevity?
Yeah, that's a big question to unpack.
Let me think where to start.
So the shortest answer is we're a group of biohackers, longevity enthusiasts that have been,
you know, basically nerding out on how to live longer, reduce your biological age, reading
a lot of papers, mostly peer-reviewed papers, scientific research papers.
And we decided last year to just throw that into an LLM, a learning language framework and see what kind of insights we could generate based on our sort of like personal queries, blood analysis.
And it quickly became apparent that, you know, AI, LLMs are very useful tools beyond, well, covering anything essentially.
And in this case,
querying a knowledge base that can help you or a knowledge base that focuses on longevity research
but something that can also help you live longer um that's like the shortest answer and how
generally speaking like that's what it is that we're doing with dr pepe a i the longer answer
is you know i've been in web three since since 2016 i was an early investor in ethereum and
started one of the first bcii protocols
Before D-Sai was even D-SI in 2017, it was called Iku.
Our slogan was biotech redefined and we were tokenizing intellectual property to fund bio R&D.
And that was my first foray basically into building out a protocol, a decentralized protocol, web three protocol.
And fast forward to Defi summer of 2020.
I got sucked into that and I raised 12 million for a protocol called popcorn that donated its fees or percentage of its fees to charitable organizations.
And then we pivoted to Boltcraft, which is a more institutional grade tokenized yield protocol that roughly manages over 100 million on the protocol right now.
And so I've been in the space for a while.
I've seen how like AI has also evolved and,
you know, more so in the context of like Web3 and agents.
And last year, I started following this one specific meme coin
that was related to AI.
I guess you could call it an AI meme coin, which was called Goat,
which was launched by Truth Terminal.
And Truth Terminal is essentially
URL or handle it's managed by this AI engineer that was donated 50k by Mark Andreessen who's the
general partner for A16 Z and I found it fascinating that someone you know at that level was you know
basically communicating with with money or digital assets for that matter to to an AI to tell
it to do things generally speaking so
I thought that was really cool. And then I got really like sucked into, you know, the AI meme craze.
There were a lot of just memes that were launching last year that had no utility. They were just memes, right?
They were they were just like popping up every day. And, you know, mostly I was just paying attention to to goat and a few other things. But that was the time that
My friends and I basically were like, we should do something here because we can actually add some real world value with the research that we've been doing.
That's amazing.
So I'm going to be honest.
When I first heard you say that you were a biohacker, the first thing that I popped in my head was these two Netflix specials I saw, the unnatural selection and the one like hack yourself or something.
And I'm like, okay, they were like experimenting them on themselves.
They were like injecting themselves with like, I don't know, DNA or things like that.
Is this something, because you're saying you're a biohacker.
Is this something that you are into as well?
Like, is that how this all started?
Because when I think of biohacking, that's what I think.
If it's something else, please correct me.
Okay.
Yeah, I mean, I guess there's different levels of which you are a biohacker in terms of like injecting certain things.
Like, you know, baby fetus sort of like cells.
I don't go that far.
However, I do very much pay attention to like my biological age, my biomarkers, how much I sleep, the supplements that I take.
You know, I'm very...
addicted to exercising because it makes me feel better mentally and physically.
So when I say biohacker, I mean, I like to study how it is that we as humans can live longer.
And at this point in time, with the technology, especially at our disposal with AI learning
language models, we have a far more insight into how we can actually do that than before.
We basically have a PhD level
assistance or agents that that can help you help guide us and how to you know live longer
healthier lives so when it comes to you know doing a lot of the extreme sort of biohacking
things I wouldn't classify myself as that sort of person but I definitely am someone that is
trying to live you know beyond 100 years old that's awesome that's
That's something amazing.
I was like, I'm not gonna lie.
I was like, I kind of hope he's not like injecting.
Because it, to me, it was like, you know, I know that,
people inject themselves with peptides and stuff like that.
And I get that, but I just, I just can't imagine like how, you know,
how somebody can do that themselves, but anyways, that's just my personal opinion.
I'm sorry.
Um, can you explain your role in like, okay, so you have your AI and you have longevity
recommendations.
How does your system like secure or like,
ensure the accuracy and relevance with the advice is provided.
Like, how do you get that information into it so that it can, you know, monitor or track or be able to do?
There's certain criteria that we set in place when we launched Dr. PEPA.I, one being that the research that we're uploading to our knowledge base is...
is peer-reviewed scientific research.
So the scientific community has reviewed it, has published it.
This is really important because I think there's a lot of information on the internet that is just completely false.
And you don't really know because it's the worldwide web.
You can go on Google and search for anything and you'll essentially have an answer.
might be right it might be wrong most of the time it's probably wrong but that's why science is
you know it is you know still like legitimately an important field it will always be an important
field because scientific truth is is always true um versus just uh unreliable information
So that's the one criteria that we followed.
It wasn't really that difficult.
There's so much research out there supporting like anti-aging research specifically or longevity research.
So that is, that's like the first criteria that we followed.
And we found over 5,000 papers over the last 40, 50 years span.
That can be referenced in many different ways on how to, you know, help you live longer.
Everything from like biohacking protocols to supplements to, you know,
specifically clinical trials that have been conducted over the years.
And, you know, we have essentially an AI now that can kind of like package this into insightful prompts via a GBT kind of ish.
system, which if you go to Dr.pepe.
Right now, it looks like GBT with our own branding.
But that's essentially how it works.
We query a knowledge base and the freemium model that we're offering is really all that it is.
It's querying this massive database with scientific research and it's learning more about
you as you as you use it.
So I have Robo here who is unable to join the space, but he had a question.
He wanted to know about, he wanted to know what you thought about Ivermectin.
Ivermectin.
Ivermectin is definitely a, it's the, what is it, the anti-parasitic drug.
I unfortunately can't speak so much about Ivermectin.
I think, uh,
one of my colleagues who actually is someone that did extensive research in ivermectin could um and just a little bit on that like
My, let's say, position on Dr. Pepe.A.I is more of like team lead.
I work with researchers and scientists that have like extensively studied a lot of different molecules, compounds, drugs.
You know, Ipermectin being one of them.
Unfortunately, he's not here with us today.
But he would definitely be able to give you a better, you.
anecdote about Ivermectin and its controversies of the last few years.
Okay, okay. Fair enough. He asked me for another one, but I don't know if I can pronounce it.
Fenben, the Zol.
Benzol?
Yeah.
Is he fucking with me?
Excuse my life.
No, no, definitely aware of that one.
But also I would,
I would lean on the, on the scientist
with Dr. Pepe.
Oh, okay.
I can't speak too much about that one.
Right on, right on.
Yeah, because, I mean, when I had looked up some stuff,
I know that you guys were also talking about this.
Rap Micean and S-1R-T-1 and S-I-R-T-1 and stuff.
So I was going to ask you about that,
but since you're not, you said you'd rather have the scientists answer that question.
That's fair enough.
We can go back to, is there anything that you would like
to share specifically about your project before I go on to my next question
that is going on some new thing or something you're releasing
or you'd like to share?
Yeah, I mean, two big updates.
One being that we are launching a agent supporting dog longevity or immortality.
It's called doglife.a.i.
And we are looking to launch it with the Eliza OS launch pad that's coming out at end of the month,
which is pretty exciting.
There are a lot of people in our community that asked about, hey, maybe we should focus on dogs because people love dogs.
And so we quickly realized that, like, yeah, we could actually use our framework and tailor it for folks that are looking to, you know, help their dogs live longer.
So that's coming out end of the month or mid-April.
Actually, I don't want to say an exact time.
That's one thing.
Second thing is I think like comparatively to when we launched Dr. Pepe back in December, you know, it was more of a, I don't want to say a side hustle, but kind of a hobby or a meme that,
we were having fun with and then we quickly came to realize that people were actually very
interested in you know living longer um you know you have a several different let's say
key opinion leaders like brian johnson this uh you know millionaire um former venmo executive that uh
trying to actually live forever and is doing a lot of research on himself sort of as like a sign experiment for humanity.
I find him so extremely interesting. And I also like when he like corrects is like I have to change.
He has to change something. He has to take less of something and he like makes an announcement about it.
And like I think it's so cool. He's just he's experimenting on himself. But like I mean.
I don't know, I think he's interesting.
He is a living and breathing science experiment.
I wonder how long do you think he'll be able to keep it up?
I guess it just depends on how much.
I mean, he definitely has enough money, I think, to live however many lifetimes.
But he is genuinely trying to spread this ideology of don't die.
And that was sort of like my next point about...
you know, Dr. Pepe and like where we're standing right now is like after the conference that we
that we attended and we had a booth which was the Don't Die Summit, which is run by Brian Johnson,
a lot of people, you know, came to our booth asking a lot of questions about like what we were
doing and I learned a lot from the community and there were a few folks that I actually
spoke to within Web 3 scientists, Brian Johnson as well, that helped me and are
let's say organization comes to the conclusion that building out not only a learning language
model based on longevity research but like an actual holistic framework where you can connect your
wearable data which is cross-referenced with the knowledge base but also automates you know ordering
pharmaceuticals or supplements with a direct-to-consumer sort of like API setup is really like a much bigger
product and something that can really automate you like helping or automate you you automate your health essentially so just to touch on that a little more like think about how
You have AI that if you continue to query specific things, especially in a personalized health care way, it'll learn more about you.
It'll cross-reference the knowledge-based, which we have, which focuses on longevity research, which also cross-references your wearable data.
So like your heartbeat.
etc., etc.
And now connecting that to, let's say, an online pharmacy where you have this AI that's funded,
let's say, by yourself is basically resupplying you with certain things that you need
without you need to think about it.
This is where we are with this technology right now.
And if you apply it to longevity or living longer, you know, this is essentially what Dr. Pep did on that.
I think that is.
Barry had a couple things to say.
One of them was he would like to know what's it like building in this culture?
Like what are the main barriers to entry that you guys had to face?
And then I'll let you know what you want.
I mean, funny enough, there was really no barrier to entry.
I mean, it was just a few of us that put together a bunch of research and threw it into open AI.
And then voila, we had some really cool things that it was generating for us.
I think with the open access of APIs or like specific partners, let's say, in like the wearable economy, like Cooties,
which is like a salana-based neural ring that tracks your biomarkers,
There's a lot of stuff you can do right now with APIs and automation.
You can even go to like workflow sort of setups like N8N and just set up something that's
cross-referencing any AI for that matter and it can post tweets every hour.
You can instruct it to do kind of like anything you want.
In this case, we're doing it for longevity, for your personalized longevity.
So that obviously takes some work and research and building it out.
But I mean, we are living in an era or a new era of AI where things are sort of happening
exponentially.
And I think it's, I don't say difficult keeping up, but it is definitely time consuming to, you know,
it takes a lot of time out of your day to keep up with all the new
developments with AI, you know, DeepSeek came out like about a month ago and it sort of like
changed the game in terms of the economics of using AI. And so this is essentially the speed
at which I think things are going to continue to develop. And, you know, working with that
is not necessarily a barrier to entry, but it is something to factor in and to building out
something like Dr. Pepe. You know, Barry's like, you should take them, you should take the idea on
in Charttake.
I don't think you know that.
On Shark Tank?
That's not a bad idea, actually.
That's not a bad idea.
Go for it before somebody else does.
I think Mark Cuban would actually be totally down for this.
Maybe I should just reach out to him in back channel Shark Tank.
Hell yeah.
Mark Cuban bought all of them tight.
He slashed that Titus pool back in the damn poly.
And when he was learning how to do things on the blockchain.
Oh, Rovo sent me a message. I'm sorry. He said building culture. I don't know. I don't know what he's talking about. I'm just going to go back to my question real quick. So Dr. Pepe AI, is that live now? It's, you can use it.
Yeah, you can go to agent.orgpepe.a right now and start using it. You can query anything,
mostly focusing on how to optimize your health living longer.
And so how long has it been out?
The agent's been out for roughly a month.
Oh, okay. All right. So then there's no success stories or testimonials from users.
that you would have yeah got to give it a little bit more time a little bit more time not from users
but we did uh we did uh sponsor the the don't die summit by brian johnson and he endorsed us on
stage so he's very much aware i'd say that the longevity community is very much aware we've uh
pulled in even some very talented people within the AI space that are helping us build out
this ecosystem so um i would say since like the the conference there have been
exponential gains in what we're trying to achieve here i mean if brian johnson's made
attention to you you don't even need shark tank i mean like that's like a wellspring of
funding so we are um rounding to the half hour
I wanted to see if there was maybe a couple more things you wanted to chat about,
and or we can also open it up to maybe some questions that the listeners might have.
How do you feel about that?
You should bring up Pepe Tony Stark.
He's a contributor to Dr. Pepe.
I don't know if you raise his hand, but he's someone that's fun to speak to.
Which one? I don't see him on my list, but there is an issue with X. Either Ukraine or someone else is targeting X, allegedly. So we're having some technical difficulties so much so I can't even see Robo logged into here. So which one is he?
He's the Pugsy Penguin, the orange one.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
I'm going to invite him to speak. But if he wants to, he's more than welcome. If anybody else
would like to ask questions, you're more than welcome to. This is all very new, though, right?
This whole project. So there's so much that information that you still have to gather before you can
like really, you know, kind of give numbers and kind of like what's going on and stuff. So
I guess we should just stick to any other projects that you might be interested,
or if you want to chat a little bit about, you know, news or things that are happening in this space or another space.
I mean, we can continue talking about Dr. Pepe.
It's definitely interesting projects.
That's the reason why I'm here, is it not?
No, no, no, no, yes, it is, but I'm trying to, the person that was supposed to interview you last minute is having technical difficulties, and I had only a few questions.
And I am still familiarizing myself with everything that is the Dr. Pepe AI.
So if you want to share some more, I definitely would love to listen to maybe another...
thing that's happened with dr so what else can i say about dr pepe i i think another crucial
sort of like element to like what we're doing or at least when we were ideating on exactly
what we wanted to build was the fact that if you use other gbts or lm frameworks there's an
element of censorship
Now when you ask about certain, let's say, like health problems that you have, if you go to Open AI, it'll probably tell you to go see your physician.
And that was something that we realized like last year, like why is it doing this?
You know, like what is there's so much information out there that can be packaged, that can be, you know, queried from a knowledge base.
that can learn more about you as well, that can answer like specific questions about your health.
And our whole thing was, you know, when we released the Dr. Pepe AI, was that we wanted to answer everything.
We didn't want there to be a...
a moment where it said to go visit your position or anything like that.
We wanted to make this unhinged, I guess is what we used to say,
censorship-resistant framework that answered everything.
And so in order to do this, you need to have not only the right research and the knowledge base,
but the ability to basically query it forever.
So something that exists on the internet.
in a decentralized fashion.
When I say decentralized fashion, like deploying it on like a decentralized infrastructure,
like a blockchain, and having it exist.
So historically, we've, you know, if there's, if you have, if you have any of your problems with your health,
generally speaking, you would visit your your physician.
You know, I'm not saying this is something that we should stop doing, but I mean, now you have PhD level type of information in your pocket that you can access at all times.
You know, I'm still sort of like recalibrating the way I approach going to my position or just like learning more about myself or my health problems, issues, etc.
because i now have this extremely valuable and resourceful tool on my phone that i can query at all
times is dr pepe. a i um you know if i have let's say questions about like you know lack of libido for
example or you know if i feel like a lump like on the back of my head or something like that
you know anything for that matter i can go into into the
into dr pepea i and query exactly these things to see what i should do now sometimes it'll
probably say you should go to your physician but a lot of times it won't um and that's that was the
really the idea of like having this tool available for anyone can't be shut down um something that can
actually help you live longer and healthier so where do you see um dr pepea i in 18 to 24 months like where
Every human, every human achieves immortality as well as their dog.
Now I'm jogging.
But I mean, really, but in a way not really because so again, like I said before,
the amount of information that we have via these learning language models now and how they exponentially,
essentially generate even more information for us to learn and to recycle within the frameworks.
Right.
is sort of like unfathomable before obviously like you know for example if you're if you want to study to be a physician you know you go to 10 years of medical school and there's so much information you have to know about or learn about biology and the human body in order to actually practice um
I don't think any of these sort of like occupations, doctors, physicians will ever go away.
But I mean, with a lot of the information that they do have can now be communicated with you or to you via this technology.
So I think it is like a radical change in how we approach health.
And I think inevitably that will just help people live longer.
I think, you know, if you track like how like the lifespan of like certain nations over the last couple of years, I think the,
the age has sort of like crept up and you know going back to like the brian johnson example i mean
like if you're looking at like what he does and you have the you know if you if you have the cash
to spend that much money on yourself then perhaps you could live for like 150 or 200 years old which
he might he might do um but i mean i think like a lot of people also need to understand that
Even without Dr.pepe.a.ai, there's things that we now know that can just help us live longer and healthier.
I mean, obviously, like, exercise is one of them, eating nutritious diet is another thing.
Sleeping is very important.
I think over the last year, or perhaps this is just my algorithm, like constantly reminding me that sleep is important.
But, I mean, sleep is really that important.
It can help you live longer.
A lot of things are very, very clear and evident right now that weren't necessarily like 20 or 30 years ago.
So, yeah, I think, you know, with Dr.pepe.ai and a lot of these, a lot of information out there right now, I think people will actually live like beyond 100 years in the next couple of years.
And I'm wondering, when is it too late to like start living this, you know, using Dr. Pepe AI?
Like, you know, like, how many more years can you add to your life?
Or is it like, you know what I mean? Should a 70 year old join Dr. Pepe AI?
I mean, if that's a seven-year-old were to access Dr. Pepe da Diai when he or she was 40, then I would say, absolutely.
I mean, if you're 100 years old and you just discovered Dr. Pepe da'i, I don't know.
I'm not sure what use is going to be.
You should let Pepe Tony Stark speak because he has a lot of information on what it is that we're building as well.
Welcome, Pepe Tony Stark.
Wow, thanks for having me.
That's great. So yeah, if you're 70 discovering this, yeah, yeah, absolutely. Go all in on Dr. Pepe.
You will reduce your biological age by about 25 years and becoming your 40s again.
In fact, if you just go to, so there's this amazing hyperbaric oxygen protocol
pioneered by this Israeli group and they have facilities in
Israel, Dubai, and Orlando, Florida are just outside of Orlando.
And their hyperbaric oxygen protocol will literally reduce your age by 25 years.
So, and then for like woman, like postmenopausal.
That's actually maybe the biggest issue for women that are of that age is post-menopausal symptoms, you know, bone degradation, what have you.
But that Israeli group that will reduce your age by 25 years, check it out.
It's called aviv clinics.com, aviv-clinics.com.
Hyperbaric oxygen could be like really, really dangerous because it's 100% oxygen, so definitely be very careful.
But these guys are kind of best in class and they have de-risted from every angle and, you know,
will make you super young.
So yeah, yeah.
If you're 70, definitely, you know, long road ahead still.
We'll definitely still make you live forever.
I was just checking.
So I see Brian popped up in here.
Hi, Brian.
Brian.
Yeah.
is from Alpha Growth. He is the CEO of Alpha Growth. He also is the one who
started talking about DCI and Molecule to me recently, which was very interesting. Thank you, Brian.
I met one of the dudes from the Dr. Pepe team in Web Summit 2019 and kind of changed my life.
And ever since then, I've been looking for this kind of tokenization of molecules to bring the DFI so that we can kind of like spread out the...
the different research one of my neighbors literally works for like a computational biology thing and
basically it's like very very hamstrung on
it's not a meritocratic business, like biology and healthcare in a lot of ways.
It's a very nepotistic and nepotism based.
It's like, if they like you, your research gets through and the drug gets created.
And so this entire concept of decentralizing science, there's things that we can't do in the United States in terms of drug discovery,
in terms of like different molecules and different testing.
And some of that is good, but some of that is like,
not so great, especially like an end-of-life scenario. So I'm just, I'm completely excited about the
space, very excited about computational biology. And fundamentally, if you think about each different
like molecule, it's kind of like an AI model. And that AI model, you can tokenize and you can
put it on a blockchain and create a speculative market around it and get it funded. And so that's what
I'm very pumped about in this is.
more research, more things getting funded, more speculation,
and having markets drive innovation within the D.C.
So when I found out about Dr. Pepe, I was like, this is awesome.
This is exactly on the right track of where this thing should go.
And it's the beginning.
It's very nascent.
It's a very young industry.
But the production in the future of D.C.I. is powerful.
So I actually have Robo in chat, and he really wants to ask Tony Stark, Pepe Tony Stark, about the stem cells.
And like, what do you think Joe Rogan's going down and getting sent going down to Central America and getting injections of stem cells?
I guess he's curious about what you think about that.
Um, I think all that stuff is pretty dangerous. Um, I would...
You know, if you have the money, currently these are all like rich people things, like going there and getting themselves, whatever.
If you have the money, I would do the, I don't like putting exogenous things in my body unless there's like a lot of testing behind it.
So I'm not, you know, 70. I'm still on the younger side.
So I'm, you know, 10 years from now, it'll be, you know, Tesla started out at over $100,000 a car.
Now you could lease one for $2.99 a month.
And that's kind of where this is going.
Yeah.
So for stem cells, I much prefer the Israeli Aviv clinics, hyperbaric oxygen, because
they're basically just using weaponized oxygen with a specific protocol.
And that makes like all the stem cells and all your organs come out, including your skin,
kidneys.
I say kidneys because if you live to 100, that's kind of the first thing to go.
Brain, they reverse the age of your brain.
And, you know, it's not really out there in the biggest way.
It's not, like, hyped up by Joe Rogan.
I don't know why.
A lot of this stuff you see on main, I don't want to call Joe Rogan mainstream media,
but it kind of is now.
It's, uh, you got to get into the weeds of it.
You should kind of like learn a little bit about biology and chemistry.
And now with the GPTs, it's very simple to do that.
And then there's a few longevity podcasts.
So, like, Joe Rogan is like, uh,
It's like one inch deep and then like 100 feet wide, meaning that like he's not like a specialist in any individual thing.
And then if like a guy is like a famous longevity doctor, I also don't really love those either because...
you know, they probably have some sort of economic conflict of interest. Like David Sinclair,
he sold his biotech for like $700 million for like CERT 1 and like part of that body of
science shows that like in activating it may actually cause cancer, but he can't like say that and he
never will and he won't even acknowledge it because he has like royalty payments for the next 30
years in probably the hundreds of millions of dollars on that. So.
Long story short, stem cells look at a VIV clinics.
I have no economic conflict of interest with them.
I actually just got back from visiting them to do my intake.
I'm going to probably be starting that protocol in the next 30 to 60 days or so.
Again, it's a hyperbaric oxygen protocol that will kind of make you live forever young.
It'll activate...
stem cells literally in every organ in your body.
And it's doing it systemically as opposed to going to some like developing country and getting injections where there's like no legal liability and like really God knows like what's going into your body.
So I'd be super skeptical of any of that.
You got to do the work.
A really great longevity podcast you could listen to.
There's so many episodes you can go through.
I think University of Singapore, his name is Brian Kennedy.
Really wonderful guy. I met him a bunch of times over the year. He's a PhD in math from MIT.
And he's a tenured professor at one of the universities of Singapore. And let me get the exact name of it.
I know I'm talking a lot. But I just want to give you guys like the proper information as opposed to Joe Rogan.
No, absolutely.
But yeah, I don't like developing countries getting stem cells.
I know. I was early, I don't know if you were here earlier, but I was kind of talking about the
two shows on Netflix when he when you when it was saying that you guys were like biohackers I'm like
wait a minute like are they like injecting themselves with like DNA um but that's not yeah
that's not it at all well the whole peptide thing is is interesting but that's also very emergent
but no i uh
I don't really do any of that stuff.
I think it might be called healthy longevity.
And that's where I actually heard about this Aviv Clinics one.
I've never been in the hyperbola chamber or anything like that.
I can't imagine what it feels like being in there or coming out.
Do you feel a difference?
You know, I've never done it either.
I've never done it either.
I wouldn't go in one.
One just exploded actually in Michigan and killed like this five-year-old kid.
Brian, I hope you're joking about the laughing emoji.
Yeah, okay.
That was the right one.
Yeah, it was the wrong one.
It was a delay.
Yeah.
Yeah, so it's 100% oxygen.
So it's like highly flammable compared to like the air that you're breathing right now is like 20% oxygen.
So yeah, you gotta be super careful.
So Robo had a question here for Brian.
He was wondering if you're actively looking into the D-Sai, eyeing D-Sai as possible market for your guys' skill set.
Are you guys actively looking at it from a business perspective?
Because he's saying that you sound very passionate about it.
Yeah, like 100%.
It's just a hobby thing for you, Brian.
Well, I think it's a hobby thing now until we kind of find the right project.
Maybe it's Dr. Pepe.
We've been searching for someone to partner with in this narrative for about two years now.
Once it kind of came to attention, there was a company called Neurochem that was doing computational biology.
And they created an index set of like 50-some different molecules.
And those molecules were effectively, like each index set was around...
a particular type of cancer, end-of-life scenario in which, like, let's say these 50 molecules are for this particular type of cancer and then wrap that in a token and tokenize that.
And we went around. We got a couple meetings with some investors. We got some meetings with some ecosystems.
And I think just the timing was off.
It was like, you know, after 2021, bare market vibes, I think that it wasn't as popularized of a narrative as it is today.
So I think timing was off.
They ended up going to raise from kind of like traditional means, which getting like,
you know,
the FISA's and the Glaxo's,
core,
you know,
their venture capital funds,
ended up investing in them.
And,
you know,
they're going through trials for a couple ones.
But it was a,
there was a,
there was a window of opportunity in each one of these things where you can kind of
capture the narrative,
capture the timing,
capture the science at the right time to be able to get the right,
recipe and now might be the right time. So I'm not 100% sure. We are looking to do things in
D-Sai. I, you know, foundationally believe in it. We know how to like tokenize volts. We can get
those volts up. We know how to bring those assets and the speculative assets to market.
And, you know, personally, I'd rather invest in a speculative asset that could potentially
cure like a late stage of a cancer versus, you know, a picture of a dog.
It would make me feel a little bit better.
So I don't know.
That's kind of my take on it.
I think the power of this thing, of this gambling market is like,
why don't we gamble on things that effectively or eventually will iterate to the right solution and help people.
I think that's actually a good segue into what sort of like the endgame for Dr. Pepe.
That AI is.
I mean, right now, as I explained earlier in the spaces that,
you know what we've created is essentially this this lLM slash concierge dc pharma service
that knows everything about you and your health um it's something that you can like fund the
a i you know resupps your your supply on certain supplements or you know treatments that you need
and it's constantly learning like more about you but i mean there is
There is an element to like what we're doing here that, you know, the intellectual property that's generated from Dr. Pepe AI and let's say the trials or certain things that we do fund, we do ultimately want them to become markets.
And there's enough tools I would say out there that specifically were created in DFI that can be used to capture intellectual property or the value of intellectual property.
and combine it with like a de-risking mechanism with like yield strategies in D5.
So there's another project that that I contribute to.
It's called VaultCraft.
And basically what I just described is sort of the infrastructure for VaultCraft.
So you have these like tokens that you can mint and these tokens are mintable.
using this certain smart contract standard, the 4626.
And what it allows you to do is have a token that accrues in value
and it represents the value within this vault or this mechanism that stores either tokens,
tokens that are used to earn yield and defy,
or just tokens that represent or enable access to
the centralized storage, like something with like Filecoin or Are Weave.
And you know, going back just like a little bit more.
So when we first started or when I first started working in D-Ci, everything was so new.
This is back in 2017. This is, you know, before CZ hopped in and funded some big projects like ByR Protocol.
And we didn't know how to set up infrastructure.
But I mean, that was like seven or eight years ago,
which is like 50 years time in Web3.
So a lot of things have been audited.
A lot of things have been iterated on, battle tested.
And so now in 2025, there are enough tools out there
that I personally know and I've worked on that can serve as sort of like the infrastructure
and marketplace.
that can fund IP specifically with drug discovery or molecules.
And I think you would be working at a disadvantage if you did not incorporate AI.
And so that's where like Dr.pepe.a.ai sort of, it fits not only the AI element,
but like it is like the foundation of something that like we're building that, that I think will be coming in the next Q2 or Q3.
And we're also working on like a clinical trial that we want to fund as as part of Dr. Pepe
NADOV AI. And I think, you know, Pepe, Tony Stark, can speak more to that. But again, there are
big things planned with Dr. Pepe.
So how do you feel about the current administration's comment to making the U.S. the number one in
AI data centers, semiconductors, etc., given the implications that they will be, they will have
their crypto-heavy business businesses.
Well, as an American, that's great.
I think right now, as an American that's lived abroad for the last seven or eight years,
because I have been working in Defi or kind of like the gray area that the U.S. hasn't really acknowledged.
And now it's sort of becoming very much like open playing field there.
I think it's great.
What do you think, Pepe? Tony Stark.
What was the question? Sorry, I was just texting our colleague here.
I was saying like, what do you think about how the US is becoming more of like the crypto and AI center of the world?
Um, well, effectively what actually happened if you take a step back is Trump was like, you guys want approvals and you want me to stop.
Okay, I require an 11-figure bribe via my token.
And I will extract a couple hundred mill out of the gate.
And then maybe a couple bill because, you know, it's still at a 10 billion market cap.
And the insiders have 80% of it.
So that's $8 billion.
And, you know, liquid.
It's on every exchange.
So aside from Trump, aside from Trump rugging everyone, what do you think about it?
I don't know.
I mean, is it great?
Like...
We'll see, right? So far, like, I don't know. I thought it was going to be great. And the market got cornered by like perpetual futures, pump fun. And essentially like this token. Like it was like a blow off thing. So like you have all this good news that's coming out. All the lawsuits are dropped.
you know strategic bitcoin reserve and like the price won't go up and what does that mean that
means like there's no buyers left um it was like full extraction i think the crime this cycle
was higher like significantly higher than the luna ftx crime um so is it exciting yeah a i is super super
exciting um
Crypto, like we'll see. I think, you know, it's definitely going to come back in like a roaring way and that's just like time based. So it's really important. You know, it sucks saying this now, but it's really important to have like runway to like make it through the next two years. I do think in the next two years, Bitcoin's going to trade like well over 200K. And then by the end of this administration, like,
probably like north of like 400k, but you know, it was definitely difficult for a lot of people over the last few months.
So yeah, we'll see, right? From the AI side, it's all very exciting.
I mean, I wrote a book about like how to make a child bigger, faster, stronger just for like some friends and my brother.
I wrote a book like with full citations.
just ridiculous information in like 72 hours using like perplexity and open AI. So it's all
very, very powerful and it's very clearly for like the longevity and healthcare world. It's very
clearly going to take us to the next level as a species. And then from the crypto side,
it's very obvious that agents will use cryptocurrency natively to make money because they cannot like open a bank account
at Royal Bank of Canada or JPMorgan Chase, for those of you that are in America.
So that's all very exciting.
So I guess it's important to back up and take a long-term view, unfortunately, at the moment.
And then you have the whole RFK side, right?
And that, to me, is kind of the most exciting part.
So someone that's been in this field for...
the field of like health, wellness, longevity, biohacking for like a decade or so to see like the
FDA kind of, it's a racket and like stop everything and not focus on like certain things that
obviously dramatically help people in a really big way. It was always quite disappointing and now to have
RFK in there. So that that combination of AI RFK and crypto I think is really, really powerful and it kind of,
you know, sets the stage for a
For defy, like the time is now.
Like if there was ever a time, like the time is now.
And it's those that build in this kind of like bear market that we're entering that will kind of be the kings, you know, on the second half of it.
So it's kind of what we're here for and that's what we're building towards.
Awesome.
Well, we are rounding to the hour.
We have five more minutes before we hit the hour.
I'd like to see if Dr. Pepe has any closing thoughts.
Barry is, well, Barry, the band manager, which is Robo.
He's wounded. He can't join, and he gives his apologies.
Right now he's blaming Ukraine, but we're not sure because there was another hacker group
that was saying that they were messy with X.
So I'm going to have to say allegedly.
Okay.
i was going to ask brian a question too but he hopped out but that's fine hi dr pepper
closing thoughts closing thoughts um yeah i think uh you know regardless of the the current
like market sentiment and a lot of the shady things that have happened and in the market
specifically in the last couple of weeks there's just exponential
development in AI, more so AI in crypto.
I think there's a lot of tech that can be that can be borrowed, especially in like in
D5 for actually developing and funding things like we're doing with with Dr. Pepe.
There's an HPV potential cure that that we're funding and
Essentially, it's been discovered by Dr. Pepe.
In fact, not only that, but, you know, the reason I think why Dr. Pepe even got that much attention
is because we use the AI to write a paper about immortality or using intermittent hyperoxia
to reduce your biological age by 25 years and Brian Johnson talking about it.
Like, you know, there's a lot of interesting developments that happen in sort of like a
hobby of a project that started off as a meme in the last like two or three months of its existence really.
And I think, you know, in the next month or two, we'll have a prototype that connects your wearable data to these DTC farmers.
So having this actual framework that can keep you healthy.
And I think it's really exciting that we use an AI to find a potential cure.
And if we actually do fund it successfully and it does pass clinical trials, then we have
AI that actually push through a cure to a serious disease.
And that is really where I see a lot of the, you know, a lot of the AI, especially in health,
moving towards. I mean, this is how things are going to be developed, funded, I think, going
forward. I think like now is the time where things are, you know, we've passed inflection points.
We're sort of like in the beginning phase right after that inflection points. I think next year
and the years coming are going to be a lot more interesting and exciting than the last however
many years, like building in like Web3. So I think Dr.pepe.a is like in a very unique position to
to really make a mark in the space and AI and Web3 in general. I think, you know, other than
like a few other DCI protocols that are doing certain things with like NFTs and IP ownership,
I think like our crew at Dr. Pepe, you know, us being sort of like the founders of D.Ci,
have sort of naturally gravitated back to this.
nascent space and you know we're excited to like push it forward awesome thank you so much for your
time um i do want to let everybody know that pepate tony stark did put in the nest and in the
bottom comments the um brian kennedy information that he was trying to share with everybody so
if you wanted more information on this webinar series by brian kennedy um please click on that
And Peppy Tony Stark, thank you so much for coming on and talking with us.
Oh, did you want to say something?
Oh, your mic is off.
Okay.
Thank you so much for coming and chatting with us.
I kind of look forward to maybe, you know, in about a year, six months to a year,
chatting with you again and seeing where you guys have...
How far you guys have come?
Because I feel like six months is, you know,
a really, really long time in crypto and AI.
So maybe we can chat again then.
That would be fantastic.
And hopefully Robo's situation with his Twitter,
his ex-failing him will be fixed by then.
Yeah, hopefully no more hacks.
I'm sure we'll be speaking in a couple months.
Yes, for sure. I'm definitely excited for that. I just had one last question. I know we hit the hour, but you said you had the HPV. You have some fun, you have a funding round going on for HPV?
Yes, we're funding a clinical trial for a potential cure to HPV.
And is that on a D-Sy platform? Is that how it's getting funded?
It is.
Yes.
It is, but also we're sort of like shopping around in the venture world as well.
Oh, okay, okay, okay. Sorry, I just wanted to see because then I was saying that you could tell them where they can find if anybody wanted to contribute to the funding.
No marketplace or the size specific funding for the trial right now, but we do intend to essentially create like an IP marketplace for that when it comes into, well, when we actually start like funding and working on the drug discovery.
Okay, awesome. Well, Tony, Stark, I know you were talking to. Did you want to say a little final word before we popped off?
Yeah, we have a lot of stuff coming down the pipeline.
So, you know, like, follow.
And just really excited for kind of the next three to six months
and what we're going to be releasing.
Dr. Pepe, maybe you can maybe tweet out the Immortality White Paper again.
Perhaps these people have not seen it.
It's really, really, really powerful stuff.
And yeah, each day we make a bit more progress.
So, yeah.
Really looking forward to tomorrow and excited to get this alpha out.
And I think that'll be released probably by the end of this month.
Awesome.
Again, think of like Jarvis, Jarvis for Tony Stark for the common man.
Oh, yes, I put that there. I put a link up on top.
Is that what you were talking about that way in the nest?
Your Jarvis for longevity, that one?
Yeah, that's our, that's our meme video parody 2001 in Space Odyssey, which I'm actually personally proud of because I kind of helped design it.
So, yeah.
It's a work of art. It's a work of art. Well, thank you so much for joining us. And I want to thank our listeners also for hanging out and listening live. I'm also want to thank the listeners who are going to be listening later. Thank you for your time. Thank you for your information. And I'm looking forward to chatting with you guys again in several months to see how far you guys have come. And I'm super excited to see...
how this all like rolls out with Brian Johnson too because I think he's the coolest.
But all right, guys, have a wonderful, wonderful, wonderful day.
Bye-bye.
Bye-bye.
See ya.
