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RAC FM Special: Levana 🚀🦝 Sike they not coming whatever you want 🤩
Recorded: Dec. 14, 2023 Duration: 1:16:40Space Recording
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Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Amen.
Hey.
You're welcome to Rack FM.
I see you J-Smolls.
Hope all is well.
If you wanna come up, you're more than welcome to chat a little bit.
I got a few minutes before the show, it doesn't start until 8am, I just wanted to let you know.
So I just kind of opened it up just so I can get ready and invite everybody.
You're more than welcome to come and chat.
I won't be like, get in here, you know?
I wish I could do Robo's accent because I could just act like I'm Robo the whole show, but it would not work at all.
Hello. Did you get your vitamin D?
No, it didn't work. I'm trying.
Good morning, Mr. Fox. The show starts at 8. I just kind of hopped in, let everybody know.
That would be great.
Fancy a drink cup. Oh, look, it's Robo.
The man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Robo.
I hope you come in soon. I sent you an invite. If you have issues, let me know.
Hello, Sir Robo. How are you doing?
How are you doing this lovely morning?
GM, fam. GM, is that B-Bands, yeah?
No, it's your twin, Robert.
Can you hear? I'm still right in the middle of the city, but I'm just out of the leave now, yeah?
No, no sign of Lobana yet, no?
Nope, no sign of Lobana, but you did kind of say that I would be hosting, so maybe not. I'm just here to facilitate conversation. I'm not here for anything else.
B-Bands, do you want to DM Eric? He's actually in the DMs very recently.
Eric W, yeah?
I DM...
Yeah, I DMed everybody. I sent the messages to the panel of speakers.
Can you hear?
Can you hear? I'm still right in the middle of the city, but I'm just out of the leave now, yeah?
No sign of Lobana yet, no?
Nope, no sign of Lobana, but you did kind of say that I would be hosting, so maybe not.
I'm just here to facilitate conversation. I'm not here for anything else.
B-Bands, do you want to DM Eric? He's actually in the DMs very recently.
Eric W, yeah?
I DM...
Yeah, I DMed everybody. I sent the messages to the panel of speakers.
All right, okay.
That you sent me, and I also sent messages to one thing.
Don't worry, it's not my first rodeo poppy.
So, considering... I know that, of course.
Considering that we just interviewed them the other week, this is only about the token launch,
and really it should be well able to keep it under an hour, right?
Well, it has to. I have a meeting at night.
Exactly. Well, we've just done an hour and forty-five with Jonathan the other week,
and Lobana, the overall project. So, this short tokenomics, it's the exclusive,
which is the most important. Jesus, that noise.
I'm like in the absolute Pico centre of Bangkok right now.
It's fucking awful.
But yeah, B-Bands, I'll be probably back, probably able to jump in in about 20 minutes.
I would have thought something like that, right?
Yep, that sounds good. No problem. I can get other...
If nobody else, if Lobana doesn't hop in, I'll definitely get some speakers,
if people just want to come chill for a little bit and talk.
We can do that too while we're waiting.
Yeah, there's them all. We've got them all in, yeah?
Sorry, I'll get them in.
I'm also creating a ponytail for my daughter before she gets on the bus.
Give me a second.
Give me your tissue real quick.
All right.
You've been training an AI model on tokenomics, have you?
Yeah, for like, I don't know, six months now.
What? That's crazy that you'll have to tell me all about it on another show, yeah?
Yeah, definitely. Sorry, hold on.
I'll be literally jumping on the motorbike in about two minutes flat, I would say.
Good morning, Mole. Come and get yourself up.
Yeah.
Yeah, I got Mole up. I'm waiting for Mole to come up.
Not like Jonathan to be late. Like, Jonathan's pretty regular, pretty punctual.
Is he going to be on his thing or is he going to be on Jonathan's like private thing?
No, he's definitely going to be on the Lovana one, yeah?
So you don't have his personal one, right?
100% he'd be on the Lovana one for sure.
Good morning, guys.
I just did a search on our messages.
Somebody said, I'm not going to say who.
This is BS. Jonathan blocked me, the fucking pleb.
Wait a minute.
Good morning, Mole.
Wait a minute. Lovana tagged you the other week, right?
No, no, no. It wasn't me.
It was somebody else.
I guess somebody else sent us a message on the Rack FM saying that Lovana had to block them.
I never bought them, so.
It's pretty funny.
Like, a couple months ago.
Moles, good morning. How are you?
Hey, good morning, B-Benz. How's it going?
Good morning, Robo.
I was going to say, I've just realized it doesn't make any difference with the Rack FM account, right?
One second.
Are you getting in a fight, Robo? What? What's happening?
He's negotiating the terms of his motorbike.
He's like, I'm going to take me home.
And she's like, well, it depends.
Like, you want me to, or you just want me to drop you off?
So, my goodness, I really hope they do come in.
If not, I'm just going to start letting people come in, hop in if they want to talk.
But if they want to talk about what they know about Lovana or their tokenomics stuff, they're more than welcome.
Have you checked out their tokenomics, Moles?
Yeah, I was actually looking at it this morning.
I just woke up like, I slept like L.
But if you look at their paper too, it's kind of huge, to be honest.
So, I'm very interested to look into, like, the whole thing.
Have you looked into it?
Yeah, it is huge.
I was trying to, like, go through the, they had the token climber and the other thing, and I'm like, wow, this is like, seven pages long with, like, math equations and shit.
So, I was going to feed it, like, I was feeding my AI, and my AI is like, this is too much information.
So, I'm going to have to do it in bits and pieces.
Maybe, like, get an API link and just have it attached with my chatbot, because I don't know.
Yeah, exactly.
I couldn't get it.
I couldn't get through it.
Yeah, I think that would be the best, because, but are you using ChatGPT, or?
Yeah, I'm using the Playground.
The assistant, you know how you make assistant on an open AI?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's cool.
And then you can, like, you have your, like, ChatGPT, which are just your little conversations, and then you have your assistant, which is like a different conversation in the Playground.
Yeah.
Oh, look, it's CENTCOM.
Hold on.
Let me add as a speaker.
Hello.
Yes, I asked Ben to drop in as well.
I asked CENTCOM to drop in if he could, if he had time.
But no Lavana, though.
That's fucking concerning me.
No Lavana.
What's going on?
I don't know.
You did make an announcement.
You said, we're going to surprise, and Bobby's going to, you know, just help facilitate and host this conversation.
We're not going to tell anybody.
Then you tell a room full of, like, 60 people.
So, maybe, maybe they're just, they're just not down.
I need some of those Lavana tokens.
I need some of those.
Yeah.
So, do you, are you, are you trying to farm for the airdrop, or did you, are you expected to get it?
I have to be in, like, I have to be up near the top of the traders on Lavana, but I was using it before I knew it was really farming for a drop.
So, I've had a, I've had a pretty, pretty nice winning streak going on on there, so.
And this is that, are you talking about the perpetual swaps, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Just longs and shorts.
Also, their LPs are doing pretty well.
But the LPs, people should know that kind of go based off, like, traders need to lose on that pair for you to make money in the LP.
So, you'll, you'll lose if, if the majority of traders are winning.
Do you know exactly how it works?
Because I've put, like, some in the LPs here and there for, like, the past months, but, like, I don't know, man.
I'm not quite sure how it works.
And I'm the type of guy that tries stuff and does not read everything, let's say.
You, like, read half.
I'm not exactly sure.
Yeah, yeah, I'm not exactly sure.
I'm not exactly sure how everything works under the hood.
But I'm just, you know, guessing that basically, if people lose trades, more money is flowing into that liquidity pool.
So you'll end up making money off of it that people are winning.
So, things like osmosis, where it's, it's basically just up only for now.
That's why you can use, you can only use low leverage with those.
You're probably losing those liquidity pools because everybody kind of goes the direction it's going.
Whereas something like injective or, like, AVAX or something like that.
If you see something start to hit some resistance and everybody's long only on it, that's where I've been putting liquidity at.
I've been making money, so.
Okay, that makes sense.
That's how I saw it.
But I think I'm just actually going to go through, like, all the documentation to make sure I understand everything.
But that's basically how I've been using it too.
But, like, it's possible that you lose money if the people win too much, right?
Yeah, for sure.
Yeah.
And the liquidity is super low on there.
They've got to get that taken care of for their pairs.
Because a lot of them, like Neutron, Osmosis, they really can only put, like, 30 bucks in one at a time or something.
But still, it's fun, you know.
Good morning, CENCOM.
How are you?
And do you...
Have you read the Levana tokenomics?
Are you excited about the token drop?
Do you have questions?
Even though Jonathan's not here, we can definitely just have a conversation.
GM, GM, GM, Kings.
I'm doing great.
Thank you very much for asking.
I hope everybody here on stage is, you know, is happy as well.
Regarding Levana, yeah.
Yeah.
I think it's a cool product.
Looking forward to the drop.
I haven't farmed it or anything, but I hope it will print a lot of green candle for people.
So, funny, funny enough, I just opened my X on my laptop, and it says, Nolis and Levana, all you need to know.
So, Levana must have double booked Robo, because they're somewhere else.
He's probably on the motorbike.
He can't turn it on.
He's probably like...
Like, right?
You can't even get on.
Nope.
That's probably exactly what's happening right now.
You guys, did you guys know that?
Nope.
Nolis and Levana, all you need to know.
So, I should probably just change the name of this to...
Robo on a motorbike.
I hope he doesn't crash.
Robo on a motorbike.
Changed it to Levana Rugged Us.
Before the token even lost.
That's true.
That's true.
You know, sometimes, sometimes things like that happen.
It's like, almost like a prophecy, you know?
Yeah, nobody here knows anything about the token at all, right?
So, I guess if you guys want to know all you need to know, you can go to the Nolis space and listen there.
Listen over there.
Oh my gosh.
This is so fucking hilarious.
But the thing is, like, I saw someone, I think it was Megan that posted something that she had, like, Levana tokens.
Like, what is this about?
Is this some testnet or something?
Like, where does this come from?
Where does this come from?
The Levana tokens.
Yeah, they were, like, passing them out.
It's just people on Twitter that had, like, the dragon emoji in their name.
Something like that.
I think they're just, if you ask them for them.
Oh, so that one Levana, I know, because it was, I think it was Arlene, right?
Arlene was supposed to be doing a little deep dive look into Levana tokenomics and stuff.
And then all of a sudden, a little bit later, I see that she had, like, a, what is this?
And it was, like, one LVN.
Is that what you're talking about, guys?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, so I don't know.
I'm sure that it probably was them, but they had this whole, like, drop.
They had a spreadsheet back in the day where it was, like, to calculate how much your Levana drop would be, how much you, like, vested and stuff like that.
It's probably no good.
It's no good anymore, but we shall see.
We shall see.
I changed it to Levana token launch.
Psych.
They not coming.
How's that, guys?
I think that's better.
I think that's better.
All right.
I think we're going to just shoot this shit.
What was that?
I said it seems like we got rocked.
And Rack FM, did you guys hire new people?
Most of the time Robo's behind the Rack FM account, right?
Well, I'm actually, it's me, Bruce, and Robo who usually use the Rack FM account, but Robo does most of the hosting.
We have all access to it, so I'll host once in a while.
Oh, nice to see you.
I'm sorry if you're disappointed, Sam, Tom.
I'm not disappointed yet.
It's still trial period.
Oh, trial?
Brother, I've been here from the beginning.
Don't even play with me.
Don't even play with me.
I see Robo has the rebel flag in his BFP as if he wasn't already shadow banned enough.
I love that he just does things to piss people off.
It's hilarious.
It's probably one of my favorite things about Robo.
Is there anything else you guys are into or looking into?
I hope you guys, we can talk about something else because this is whack.
This is so whack.
Did you guys follow the prop on Osmo?
The proposal for the loan swap of Osmo to Levanus LDN?
Nope.
The one from Raccoon and White Whale and a couple of other projects.
I know Moltres did watch it.
Yeah, I do watch it.
I think I was watching it.
I was looking at the percentages like at least three times a day, to be honest.
But yeah, I don't know, man.
I think from the very start to even now that it's been rejected, I was so like confident
that like the offers you guys worked on.
I don't know, man.
I was very confident and positive about it.
I feel like if it would have took like maybe an extra week of conversation and stuff, I think it would have passed.
I don't know what you think about it.
I don't know.
I mean, Sonny told us to put it up basically.
So we put it up.
And even Sonny like retweeted like it was like, I felt like he wasn't sure what people were saying though.
So that's even more weird.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Weird stuff, man.
Weird stuff.
Yeah.
Yeah.
There's a lot of overlap, too, between like the white whale community and the osmosis community.
That was surprising.
But governments is a little bit.
I don't know.
It's kind of weird because cosmos.
You got to kind of grease the bones with the right people, you know.
My goodness.
I miss Robo because Robo comes in with his shit.
He talks for a little bit and I was kind of expecting something else right now.
You know, what surprised me is that, you know, so many validators don't vote.
You know, I know it from Migalu, you know, the chain, you know, the red guys and we're all building on.
And, you know, that doesn't usually happen there.
You know, usually the validators are, you know, smaller set, quick to respond and just boom, boom, boom.
Yes or no.
I don't know.
But on Osmo, I think still like 60, like a third of the validators didn't even bother to abstain or something.
I don't know.
You guys probably, you know, dipped into the governance wars a little bit more on other chains.
Is that the same on Adam and Juno and stuff?
To be honest, man, we asked on our side, we never like went on to many chains.
I think we never even did like a proposal on Juno.
I think the only place we actually did a proposal was on Wawa, like back in the days, earlier this year.
And it was like, before we went on chain, we spoke with people and we didn't even speak with all of the validators.
But they pretty much more voted than what you said, because I just looked at it.
And like you said, like, like a third of the validator didn't didn't even vote.
So I don't know.
I'll be looking at other proposals if like there's more people voting.
And it doesn't look like it, to be honest.
Is there going to be like a follow up proposal?
Because I saw some people were saying, oh, it's maybe too much to ask and stuff like that.
Or like, what's the plan?
Well, I mean, that's something we need to iron out, right?
Can't speak for you guys.
So I guess that's something we can discuss, you know, moving forward.
You know, if we wanted another one or not.
Yeah.
Yeah, exactly.
Because I'm wondering, like, also, like, because within the proposal, there were there was a bunch of stuff.
So is it because like the proposal was too complicated?
There was too many things into it?
I don't know.
But then again, you know, the validators on Osmo, they're getting paid handsomely.
Like, it's literally their job to to read a proposal.
Like, and it's not rocket science.
You know, I spelled everything out that, you know, my grandma could get it.
Like, you get airdrops, you get apps.
You don't pay anything.
Like, what more do you want to know?
I know.
That's the funny thing.
I'm pretty sure not everyone actually reads, like, the proposal, even though they're validators.
Like, I'd be curious, like, how many people actually read through the whole thing.
I can't tell you actually how many people read it because you see this in the forum, I think.
Okay, I can't tell you how many read it.
Let me see.
Let me see.
It had 40 comments.
But I included links for the Medium article for right and for sale to get a better understanding
of, you know, how we work together and what's this all about.
And roughly 15 people clicked on the links.
So, not too many.
That's too many.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, I think the answer is...
Send me the link.
I'll click on it.
We'll make it 16.
We'll make it 16.
Oh, to be frank, so one of the links is 12 and one is 16.
So, you could bump both.
But that would skew my statistics here.
Yeah, let's do that.
And I think to be fair, I was one of the guys who clicked on it to see if the number
goes up.
So, it's already skewed a little bit.
So, yeah.
A little bit disappointing.
I mean, you know, people probably didn't even read, you know, like there's even a, you
know, summary, like three sentences.
But yeah.
Hold on.
Yeah.
And I felt like the people...
Hold on.
Yeah, go ahead.
No, no.
Finish.
Yeah.
I was just going to say, and I felt like what I said earlier, like if it would have went
a bit longer, I think it would have changed because I saw some validators that actually
changed their vote after like listening to the community and people and stuff.
So, it's...
I don't know.
I'm still very positive like about this proposal.
So, I'm speechless.
So, real quick, just because I have been in and out of the space.
I was gone for like two months and I just started coming back.
Can you kind of give me real quick what the proposal was about and stuff like that?
I'm just kind of curious because I haven't been...
I was doing IRL stuff for a little bit.
Same time.
Yeah, sure.
So, basically, you know, Raccoon, Ares, Ginkgo, Backbone Labs and White Whale, we've kind
of grouped together to build cross-chain apps because that's quite complicated and building
them together is just a lot easier.
So, you know, we're working together more or less like very loosely.
And, you know, apps are integrated and we help each other and, you know, with liquidity
and, you know, all the different things that you can help each other with.
And, as I said, we build cross-chain apps.
So, we went to...
Or, Sonny approached us and said, hey, we want to make Osmosis more than just quote-unquote
a dex.
We want it to be like a hub.
So, we want to open things up and we want more apps.
And there's, you know, a ton of chains in the cosmos, but there's no apps.
So, obviously, he reached out to us because we have, you know, between the five teams, there's
probably like half a dozen or more than half a dozen, probably close to a dozen different
built-out apps, securing, I think, 35 million in TVL together, from games, from Rack, we
have lending market, we have DEX, flash loans, liquid staking, NFT marketplace and so on,
and even airdrops.
So, he said, all right, this is awesome.
You guys need to come over.
So, we wrote a proposal and we told him that to kickstart the whole thing, we'd like to get
some funds from the community pool and have a liquidity injection.
So, not a grant.
You know, we said we're not going to want to get paid for this, like give us money, but
put some liquidity into the apps we're built or we're deploying so that they're, you know,
usable, that the gears are starting to spin.
And he said, yeah, let's do it.
Let's put five million Osmo into them.
So, we wrote a prop, put everything in there, you know, put it on the forum, made a Twitter
space, answered some people.
Sonny tweeted about it, like positively, and then we got voted down.
So, hence the drama.
It's kind of like, you know, Sonny invited us to his dinner party.
And then on the front door, his friends told me, told us to get away.
You know, which is kind of...
No, it was like that movie, Dinner for Schmucks, where like you get invited and they all like
come and they hang out with the schmucks and stuff.
And then they're like, psych, we're not really your friends.
And then the schmucks are like, no!
Do you know what I'm talking about?
I have no idea, but I get the memo.
Oh man.
This is crazy because like during the bull market, they were passing every proposal that
anybody put up.
I mean, they were giving incentives to like Rebus chain and all these different chains
that were just basically flat out scams, like a thousand percent APR.
And then I remember like in November, they passed a proposal to get something like 30,000
a month to reprieve the marketing firm, which they've been involved in all kinds of things.
And, you know, since then, you know, what have they actually done for them?
So, all that's been like a drain.
You would think they would be happy to have somebody that already has built out, you know,
within the jobs.
So, hopefully they change their mind on that.
We'll see.
We'll see.
You know, you miss all the shots you don't take.
So, I don't feel, you know, no hard feelings here from my end.
You know, obviously there's probably 20 devs involved in this and five different teams.
And of course, like the Rack community and, you know, the Backbone Labs, the NFT communities.
So, can't speak for anybody but myself.
So, but it's kind of funny, you know, the offer brings airdrops, like five teams, 20 devs,
like different communities, close to a dozen built out products for 5 million injected into
the protocols, which could be clawed back by the community if they want to.
And it failed.
And I remember Stride got 20 million just for, you know, I don't know.
Being friends?
Having the right friends?
Yeah.
What was it?
I think it's all about who you know, even on the blockchain.
Well, glad you said it and not me.
I mean, if you look at the volume, it's hilarious.
Go do me a favor, like if you're on your laptop or on your phone, open info.osmosis.zone,
go to pools, and then you'll see a 47 million TVL pools between Osmo, Stride Osmo and Atom,
Atom, Stride Atom, and they generate a whopping 150K daily trading volume for close to 50 million TVL.
So, tell me about...
And how old was that site again?
What was that site again?
Info.osmosis.zone.
So, you know, don't come at me with, like, the value accrual is not there for the 5 million.
Like, dude, you spend 50 million or 30 million bucks to get 130K trading volume.
Like, that's pretty much the definition of no value accrual.
But, you know, I'm not making the rules here.
Governance is governance.
Yeah.
The cartel runs a tight ship, alright?
You gotta...
You can't just jump in any time before.
The cartels gotta...
I gotta keep it tight.
Moles, what were you gonna say?
Yeah, I was also looking at the prop that they did.
Uh...
Is it, like, the deploy 20 million Osmo into the ST Osmos pool?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like, I'm looking even at the votes, and they didn't even get, like, two-thirds of the votes, and it was pretty close.
So, I'm just wondering, like, it could've turned, like, much more differently than what actually happened.
So, again, that was very close.
Like, 44 to 43 in percentages.
I just want to let everybody know this is the open mic for those of you who just hopped in.
Please feel free.
We can talk about whatever you want to talk about.
Right now we're chatting about some fuck shit that's going on in the blockchain, but it's okay.
It's all about who you know.
And I do have...
I do want to say something, though.
Is anybody else, like, totally super interested in the Akash chat, their chat GPT thing, their AI model and stuff like that?
Does anybody use it, or is anybody using that new thing that just came out?
I haven't used it.
How is it?
I didn't even actually know about that.
But I knew they were doing something with GPU and, you know, they have the whole AI narrative behind them, but...
No, I haven't used it yet.
I was going to...
I'm reading through everything.
I just found out about it, like, yesterday, where it was, like, they had their little chat, their little chat GPT for Akash, and you can, like, log in.
And there's forms you can fill for, like, your GPUs, but it also has the AI bot, and you can chat with it.
So I haven't gone and used it, so I didn't know if anybody else did.
That's why I was like, I want to see how it works, because I freaking love that project.
And what's the website?
Hold on.
Let me pull it up.
It's on Akash actually made a post.
It was Greg.
I'm not Akash.
Greg.
Greg Azor.
That guy who found her.
Yeah, I'm going to put it in the last.
Give me a second.
Akash is one of those that's likely to probably break his previous all-time highs.
I mean, it hit just astronomical levels during the last bull market.
But that was basically what zero review space.
It was all just kind of speculation.
So you're going to have that, plus it gets, like, on multiple narratives that are taking up steam, you know, going into this cycle.
So I fully expect that one to do well.
Okay, I put it on the next.
It was posted by Akash, but just reposted by Greg.
But yeah, I thought it was super cool.
I'm super interested in this decentralized cloud computing and this AI modeling.
It was super cool.
It was super cool.
It was super cool.
It was cool.
It was just fun.
It was fun.
Okay, thank you guys.
It was fun.
I'm going to try to find out when the fuck Robo is going to show back up.
hello mommy mommy i guess mommy's not here i guess i'm trying to figure out when the
fuck robo is going to show back up i'm hoping to like lose signal or something
i wonder if like it's their own model like uh i'm looking at chat.acash.network
it's like you want to run your own custom model i i would be curious like because like usually what
they do is you take like a free train model and add some stuff on top of it but i'd be curious if
they actually train the whole thing i i think gpts like the the one open ais use are quite big
so so big that you probably cannot train it in a reasonable amount of time correct me if i'm wrong
i haven't i haven't been too much in ai um ever ever since i i left to pivot to crypto
but i think these are quite big yeah like the training this model takes like months and almost
years because i remember back in the days i was training language models and like even training
on like five gpus it was taking like a month and a bigger model would take two months like training
non-stop so and training these models cost millions so i guess they took like some pre-trained model and
add some stuff on top of it i would guess otherwise man that's kind of crazy probably yeah i i remember
when when i was um doing ai i was working on on computer vision and those models tend to be very
large as well because you need to you know parse a lot of input data but i think the language models
with the contact window of you know thousands of of characters are also you know quite large in the
input dimensions so they're probably of similar size
but yeah interesting topic man and honestly if you're a dev i mean i honestly i feel sorry for the
non-devs you know in 2024 because ai is still a little bit complex to use
but it's giving you such a crazy like leverage on every aspect in life like you can supercharge your
productivity in most areas if you know how to use the right tools correctly especially in coding but
also you know in everyday tasks so man i you know sorry for non-devs really you know i hope you can catch up
but the the cool thing you said it is like anyone can use it and like i don't know i feel like
everyone should actually use these tools because like you said like it can empower you doing stuff
like even if you have like a small question or just wondering about a topic even though if like
the ai is not going to answer you like the exact right answer sometimes like it can just empower you
to just go faster and just go faster to market and for example like mid-journey there were so many
things you can do with this that back in the days you would have to hire someone that does like
graphics for you and stuff like that so i don't know man i feel like everyone should use these tools
but like to some extent like it's not when you're talking with chat gpt it's not going to tell you
like the the old truth but still shall we talk about the problem of lobotomizing ai you know with
political correctness and stuff you know what i you know i love that you're saying that because
sib sib ai sib ai is um they also have an ai project that's that blotstrom that's that um
it's an intelligent brain that you can like train and stuff like that and you do it with bull and
it's i don't know it's just a really difficult weird experience but i've been playing with it for a
little bit um they don't have the same like uh parameters and protections as chat gpt does so
it's not going to give you the same answers or give you the politically correct answers um which
that's why i'm more interested in the decentralized um ai like the llm models way more than than i am in
this chat gpt i just use it i mean uh the playground and the um assistance that open ai has because it's
super useful like i use it for my i do consulting and a lot of i have an assistant that i feed it i
fed it a bunch of information it has all the things that i want it to do and then i just tell it what
what to do and my assistant helps me and i can finish a lot of work in like maybe 50 percent of
the time 50 percent faster than i would have if i did it without without it and i just hop in i get
i'm like hey uh this is these are my parameters please write me a job description for for this
and it it pulls up all the information that i need i just do a little checking just in case
it doesn't hallucinate like a lot of times it says over here up here i posted something in the nest that
the akash model does hallucinate a lot it was shared some so i mean you have to be careful the
hallucinate hallucinations but if you're training your language model to like you're giving you're
feeding it the information then i mean essentially the hallucination can be your fault
yeah and like what you said is is very like exactly how it should be done i think because
like how like how it works for these models is usually they're they're i said it a bit a few
times like it's pre-trained so for example what you could do is just pre-train a model with like
very objective information where there's well you try that there's no bias so that the model understand
the languages and like some concepts and stuff like that and the cool thing you're mentioning is
like in an ideal world or like when you wanted to do like a very specific task is that you have your
pre-trained model and then you come with some text or maybe voices images and stuff like that and then
you fine-tune your model from the things you want it to be good at so if like what exactly like you said
like for example you have a pre-trained model that knows like the basics and then you come up with
your text let's say you're working like in law or i don't know environment and stuff like that
you feed a bunch of texas to texas to this model and then it's able to actually understand better
what you're looking for so that would be very cool if at some point it's possible to do it
i don't know if that made sense but it totally does i i prefer using create um using the assistant
then the the assistant playground then using the chat gpt because with the assistant i'm training
the assistant to do what i what i wanted to do and giving it its personality and its traits
yeah exactly exactly and like even if they train these models like you said like you're not even
sure like where do they take the text drums and stuff like that so if it's taking like uh you're just
feeding like you can train a model to do whatever you want so you if you're just feeding like stupid
text to model is gonna like the output is gonna be stupid because like that's what you're feeding
in with so
hey um does anybody else want to hop in more than welcome to hop in centcom you brought it up you
brought our little pivot up do you have anything you want to say about it
i'm just chit-chatting you know feel free to pivot to the current thing no no no this is the pivot i
want i like this what you're talking about no i'm saying we pivoted by talking about you know
the language models having barriers and being lobotomized
so that's that was the pivot i was enjoying oh my gosh guys i only have like 20 minutes left before i
gotta i have a meeting at nine so i'm here i'm putting makeup on trying to get my shit together
flip chris oh my gosh you have a microphone and oh zen com just took his mic off what's up
what's what's your name yeah what's up well you can call me daddy no i'm just playing
that's super weird i'm not into that
my name is bobby
bobby bands bobby bands bobby bands
or daddy band
bobby daddy all right that's kind of weird guys
only only to send com though only to send com because he asked he asked me what he should call
and you went there only i can call you daddy
so my daddy wears makeup um you know that's what every little boy likes to tell in school
you know no hate you know i'm open-minded sorry if i offended every anybody in the space
you know if your daddy wears makeup you know that's totally cool
it is it's fine um yes your daddy does wear makeup and i'm putting it on right now
so if anybody wants to talk about something real quick
um pick up a subject or something i just need to
i need to do my eyes
now like you were saying with the ai thing though i think it's um
it's kind of like the boomer generation that didn't learn how to use the internet
they're how far behind they are behind everybody else
ai is if you if people don't learn how to use that it's going to be like that uh times 10
you know i mean they're it's because ai is pretty much going to eat everything
if you think about it i mean it's most of the daily processes are going to be
at least have you're at least going to be using it somewhere for that so
people should definitely learn just play with it a little bit learn how to use these different
things chat gbt um so many different ones but
there's also a site called futurepedia uh io and it's like wikipedia for ai
tooling and they more get added every single day so you should go check that out
what's that site called again future uh futurepedia.io i'll see i'll i'll pin it up here
somewhere i think i'm gonna tweet about it yeah please or i'll just yeah
multis what do you think when are we gonna reach um agi
and uh that's a good question i remember like even like back when i was in school like
eight years ago we're talking about that in school while reading papers but uh i don't know man
i think we're gonna reach it faster than we think like in my opinion at least within like
15 years i don't know maybe uh drawing numbers in there but i have in mind like 15 years something
like that
15 years i mean 15 years back or 16 years back the iphone launched you know just just think about
and 25 years back more or less the internet started i mean not technically but like consumer internet
it's it's crazy what happens in that amount of time and considering things are accelerating
um i i think we might get it a little bit earlier i think there's a lot of challenges uh along the way
um but i think we we could actually get towards it like end of the decade
um that would be cool the major question is how do we profit from it so but yeah i think that's
the thing because right now like we're for sure gonna see like jobs that people used to do that
they don't do anymore but like people sometimes are afraid of that but you shouldn't be like just
use the tech and just like i know there's some tech that's not like that's malicious let's say
but like you should embrace it and just use it and then it should make your life easier at the end
of the day i think that's the goal but i think you're right like everything's exponential these
days and then they just have to find one thing and then it's gonna unlock everything so you see if
they find something i don't know man it's i'm very curious to see like what's gonna happen with quantum
computing because there's a bunch of things you cannot do with it but like if you can actually
train model at some point with these type of computers imagine it would be crazy so yeah imagine
the smell probably not much because it's a sterile environment but just imagine
yeah the interesting thing about ai is that unlike crypto where it's quite open and everybody can invest
into the infrastructure ai it's harder to invest in ai i don't think you know you you can buy shares of
open ai or something and even if you know it's just a traditional model where you you buy you know stocks
basically um so i i think one of the value or you know value plays on ai is buying like tech companies
energy suppliers and uh hardware suppliers otherwise uh and obviously you know starting your own business
starting your own thing and you know outperforming everybody because you're using ai
or crypto is kind of easier you know it's so open you know you you think you know leia wants you know
that's something that's going to exist next year as well so you just buy some and boom you get a piece
of the pie
yeah i think you're right because like the only thing is like i'm just curious because i don't read
much these days but i'd be curious like like you said like one of the good ways to actually invest
in it well there's many ways but like if you invest like in hardware or like uh it companies that's
that's the way but if you would actually like someone could come up with like a model that's
actually baiting all the model and like it could be like two people that actually created it so
it's almost impossible to invest in these things but the best way to invest in those is like if they
require like hardware like gpus or tpus and that's the way but uh i think you you're poaching into
something that like how could we make like ai more fragmented so we can invest like in smarter
project that's i think that's a case for crypto so i think could you uh could you buy gpus
without would that be a well that's going to be what are you going to do with the gpus you know
who's going to buy them from you and they get outdated after a while so
like you remember back in the days when mining ethereum was very profitable so basically like i was
like i think i had like 10 gpus or 11 gpus i was mining ethereum and then i bought like the gpus
right before it actually became popular and i and i and i mined for like maybe a year and a half two
years and the crazy thing is i bought these gpus at like half the price and two years after like
these gpus i had mined for like a year and a half and two years and i actually sold the gpus for
more expensive than the price i actually bought them people were going crazy and i don't know man
like people just fomo in so many things and i think it could be one of those
that's a neat story i like it you bought it you used it and you could not only use it you made a
profit also the equipment that's i mean yeah yeah that's a pretty sweet deal people were asking me
did you mine with these gpus yeah i just mined a bit with them like but like the gpus has mined for
many years but yeah you know so you can use gpus like to the maximum it's never gonna break that's a
crazy thing looks like we have the fairy king oh hi fairy king how are you
hey uh hold up i'm just talking right to the background
i'm sorry i did not hear that
hey van sorry about that uh just some noise in the background uh i just want to get that clear
out of there uh so you can uh have a chat uh hope you doing well been a while guys
mom is it you mom robo don't act like you don't hear me i know your mic is off
oh whoa i just i've just i've just got back i've just got back to the village i'm i'm literally
just uh picking up something at the supermarket quickly before i head back so he's never turned
up do you know what i dm'd him before i jumped on the bike yeah and basically he sent a message
to see i'm on another space i was like well bro i don't know what's going on there man one second
baby listen sometimes people say that they're going to come and that they don't come and that's
okay you just keep it in the back of your mind never forget it hopefully the excuse is really good
and then you know better for next time
and if the excuse doesn't go we flood their projects for the next year
we gotta wait we can't we our friends our friends might have bags we can't do that
it's not fair it can't be flooding our friends bags they might they might come looking for us
so robo you're back now right well i'm kind of back but not back here
i've got a i've got a 12 o'clock show to do me bro i've got a show to do in three hours
what's that i didn't catch it i've got a i've got a show to do in three hours we've got a double
head at the day we've got we've got the guys from 42 in a 12 o'clock today 12 uh lunchtime est
so i'm gonna get prepared for that hey nice to see you guys i'm really really upset like that
i've managed to gather like some great fucking panelists and then so bands i hope you've been
talking about something cool have you yeah we've been chatting about oh sorry no i'm joking
i said not so much but it is what what have we been chatting about
yeah we've been talking about the osmo prop you know maybe you've seen it robo and then we pivoted
to ai i'm actually shocked with that prop after sunny came out and endorsed it like i'm really really
shocked
yeah nothing to add to you no but robo did you did you ever see that movie dinner for schmucks
robo you know i'm talking about i haven't seen it but i've heard of it yeah but i haven't seen it
so basically they get all like these rich freaking rich beautiful people or quote unquote they get
together with all these people that are like not like you know they're they consider them schmucks
or whatever because they think so much of themselves they invite them over for dinner and
then they like fucking every everything is fine and then they start like ignoring them making fun
of them and just being assholes for no reason and then you realize that they weren't trying to be
your friend they were just being assholes you know what i mean
yes i fucking i know exactly what you mean darling so what do we do then about levon and then do we
give them a cold shoulder then or what i mean how do you how do you fucking go on another fucking
space when we've got you booked it's not like we went looking for them they came looking for us you
know this heart you spilled the beans you spilled the beans that i was going to be hosting even though
i wasn't going to be like saying anything or doing anything you spilled the beans everything was
okie dokie pinocci and then all of a sudden i didn't i didn't spill the beans to them
just a little lot on the unrecorded space i didn't tell anybody that's a grass
right right i've got about another 250 meters to make it back two seconds so 250 meters can you
can you tell me that in feet
in sink how many miles what year is this 1977 or something what
these americans your fucking imperial system it's like the most retarded units of
accounting ever like what the hell is a feet or a i don't know you when you cook you
can i get it in yards can you guys get me that in yards
three feet in one yard like three three backyards and two like medium-sized feet
that's so retarded man how many how many football fields are we talking
a quarter and and what's a cup i mean have you ever cooked like what's a cup
how do you measure eight ounces do you have like like a scale and you put things on it and then it
tastes like yeah 30 percent of a cup and you're like wow what's that like zero point
a cup is uh eight fluid ounces yeah there we go
not to be confused with the solid ounces you know
well a cup is because we measure things in things that are useful right so we
a cup is about a coffee cup you know you what do you drink out of liters do you drink a
a fucking liter bottle every time that you drink something
well water bottles here contain exactly a liter so that's very they're very convenient
so you do sorry in other words yeah because it is weird a cup is like it's not even a
yeah no no cup is that size either eight ounces it will be like the smallest coffee cup ever so
it doesn't even make sense to us i mean you have these i don't know i've never been to the u.s i
just see it on movies so i i might be you know biased here but do you have these these gallons where you
put like milk in and like egg yolks and milk and egg yolks inside of our gallon like is that a thing
is that a thing like be honest i mean i know yes we we measure everything in milk jugs we everything
we measure in milk jugs
it's we like excess you know it's a big go big or go home you know what i mean
i know what you guys mean yeah and i i think the cyber truck is really the embodiment of the american
spirit i mean the thing is just like it's big it's huge okay what cyber truck are you talking
about tesla's tesla's truck yeah the cyber beast thing did anybody buy it yet probably not because
we're still in the early stages of the bull market but you know maybe in half a year or a year who's
gonna buy it first i don't know that thing is like really really i don't think it's like pretty or
anything how about that nobody have you seen have you seen the joe rogan like show when he is with
the his crossbow and just tries to shoot in the door in the garage on the cyber truck with elon and
that's just funny
one sec guys i'm getting ready uh if somebody would talk for a second
yeah they said it was bulletproof the cyber truck was there so it was up like a they shot it with a
tommy gun 45 caliber and that's the embodiment of the american spirit it's bulletproof
because you know our cities are getting jacked up all these guns
yeah soon you'll need one just arrived through chicago you know
i keep one on me in louisville dude everywhere i go
one more question i don't want to you know you know beat a dead horse here but back to the the imperial
system how do you guys like compute with it so if somebody tells me like it's one meter and you know
50 centimeters you know in in length or there's a volume of you know you know volume units
it computes quite easily i i have a hard time computing between liquid you know liquid whatever
and cups and foods like how do you compute this in your head
i go on google and i ask it how you know how many how many cups is in a liter or how many is in a court
that's how i do it i i use the internet it would be probably a lot easier if i didn't have to like
compute all that stuff but because how like for example how many feet are in a yard i don't know
three yeah we all just we all just guess that's all that question you know you know we basically just
guess like like you know which you know how does the sun taste or something like very weird and like
i don't know man you know if the sun was purple you know how would you know orange juice taste like
those questions and like how many feet are in the yard so you know like on a daily basis i would say
we use feet in inches as far as length the only time that you hear us using yards is like either in
football or like if you're measuring like fabric that tends to be like a a certain number of yards or
sometimes like in a professional setting certain places but typically it's feet and inches uh yards
is like a weird one um but i think that most of the time we're probably sticking to the smallest
unit of measurement in our daily life like i use inches or feet almost daily we say yards honestly
about it thanks that was very helpful so how many meters are in a yard
oh my goodness how many meters are how many feet are in a meter how many oh there's feet inside of a
meter there's not meters inside of a foot see i don't understand centimeters are smaller than feet but
feet are smaller than full meters i think
and i think a yard is similar to a meter so it's it's like a meter maybe like 1.3 or something like
that that was the american version like yeah we're not going to go to the metric we're not going to
use meters but we're going to come up with something similar we're going to call it yards because so
there's a little bit more than three feet in a meter it's like 3.2 okay per meter yeah and fox is
right meters and yards are pretty close to them
that was just us snubbing our nose at the metric system
the fucking the fucking worst one is that bastard one for weight in england you know what
fucking what is it uh stones and stones and ounces you the fucking though even i didn't use stones
and ounces and i'm fucking british and even i use kilograms what's going on there
and one more question again i don't want to you know you know beat you know dig up
no beat this dead horse let's do it we're all talking about it how do you how do you do like
professional math like if you want to compute the load of you know like like a rocket engine how
much load how much load it produced like you know this rocket can can lift 20 000 stones
i don't know this is why the challenger i mean it's kind of like caveman speak like look i can
you know this baby you know i can put so many stones in it and it still drives and it's like okay
you forgot you forgot the ounces 20 000 stones and eight ounces
i thought answers was for liquid that's what i thought it was for liquid one i think liquid ounces
but i don't know i'm really curious to learn i'm really curious to learn how this conversation started
bro do you know i don't know if you lot know this do you know how many years ago before the
euro kicked off and that like in the 90s and before then do you know in holland a dutch ounce
used to weigh 33 grams used to get five extra grams for your ounce of weed in holland you know true story
oh that's important knowledge thanks and then then the fucking eu come along and made them make
a 28 like everybody else and everybody's like oh you want to know something crazy uh difference
between america and europe so europe has not purchased america's chicken since 1997 because we
clean it in bleach and they jack them full of all this vaccinations
that's so disgusting guys that's so disgusting i mean let's talk about prejudices here um i know europe
europe is like to you know be seen as euro poor which is kind of true because compared to you know
american salaries and stuff like it's it's shit here but like everybody in in europe thinks the
americans they they eat like disgusting food i don't know what do you say to this how do you defend
yourself i'm not going to defend it i'm going to agree brother because what so the same bag of hot
cheetos in america contains different contents than a bag of hot cheetos in europe if you do studies and
cross-examinations there's actually additives and bullshit into americans food and that's why they're
all so fat so i mean i'm an american i live in texas brother i'm a real estate broker i uh built my own
house from scratch i got acres here that i purchased from working hard uh you know the capitalist dream
is there it is still possible but the majority of americans are being poisoned from their food source
their water source is being overrun with chemicals and fluoride which calcifies their pineal gland and
causes them to make really bad critical decisions so yeah i won't defend that okay so so what i read
on the internet seems to be true but you know uh so that's why i guess you guys are living somewhere in
the in the um you know in the in the rural areas where you can you know grow your own food kind of like
or at least purchase this from somebody who can grow this yeah dude so over what you realize over here
people who live in like populated areas like in the city they're typically the poorer people because
they need public transportation they're paying rent for a single little tiny little unit that's
just way overpriced um the city is kind of where the poor folks live but as you come out to these rural
areas property prices home values land everything goes up in value because it's so sought after and
people are moving to these rural areas from places like california and oregon and some of these you
know bigger states that have higher values and i've made an absolute killing in the past six
years selling them houses so i'm keep coming baby keep on moving isn't bill gates buying up all the
farmland in the rural areas i don't know he's the biggest he's the biggest private uh land owner
in the us yep i saw that and he's also engineering some fake meat curious
well i i hope it's better than you know the bleached chicken man that's so disgusting i mean i i used to
i my family used to have some chickens and some ducks and and you know when i was younger i was you know
i was you know preparing them for food so here you just put put the chicken after you know the deed is
done into boiling water and you know put it out after a couple of minutes then you you take out the
feathers and you know cut it open put all the stuff out you don't want and then it's done pretty much
after washing do you know why the bleach them sent i have no idea maybe they're very easy to understand
basically chicken starts to decompose the minute it's like dead it's like if you don't keep chicken
like refresh it just naturally like decomposes quite quickly so they actually do it to keep any smell
away believe it or not that's what's for it's for smell basically so like the chicken can be like
slightly turning but they'll not be a smell right that adds up that's actually pretty smart
yeah man american food is gross like even our salmon even our salmon bro they have these farms so they
stuff so many fish in there and because there's so many fish there's a lot of illness so they're
constantly you know injecting them with different vaccinations and loading up with probiotics uh the
chickens are even given steroids here bro if you see a chicken breast from america you can knock
somebody out with that thing dude it's massive it doesn't even make sense
that's hilarious that is so gross though that is really really gross
i don't like talking about that kind of stuff i like fish but like i won't eat salmon anymore i
watched this thing on netflix and it fucked me up for a while with a with the milk and and and the
chicken and salmon and fucking up my desire to eat and stuff you know a natural do you know
baby barns natural salmon is not the color that you see in the supermarkets and that the farm salmon
yeah natural like the literally fucking color for you crazy bro and that so that coloring that pink
color is not natural and it's actually used it's called red 40 it's a it's a food dye and it's linked
in a lot of you know recent studies to making people's add their attention deficit disorders go
off the wall so like we're loaded with fake foods that's no doubt over here in america at least i
can't speak for anywhere else i don't know who's saying the documentary food inc but i tell you you've
got to have like a hardened stomach to watch that but it is a fucking eye-opening video about the american
food industry i mean the american i was talking are you talking about the one on netflix food yeah
food inc yeah when it talks about the pigs and this slaughterhouse and that right
yeah i'm trying to block that those memories america's food scene is a shit show but we do have
you know people out here doing it right on rural farms but speaking of netflix did you guys see the
leave the world behind documentary that obama produced i heard about what i heard yeah very
interesting so we saw some cyber attacks in vegas right they hacked the mgm grand which is like a
massive casino and they also hacked little caesar's palace and were demanding ransom so they hacked into
a casino and then this movie on netflix that comes out not long after is talking about a major cyber
attack done by russians on the power grid and they shut down the entire power grid all public
transportation all means of using you know financial apparatus like debit cards etc um and
to me it feels a lot like predictive programming because how else are we going to get the masses
to adopt blockchain like my dad he's a baby boomer he's a great guy but he's not gonna i can't it's
like pulling teeth getting this guy to use his fucking cell phone or even getting him to understand
some of this web3 stuff you know so what what i'm expecting to happen i think that movie y'all should
all watch it i think it's called predictive programming and i think that's what's coming you know
here to america at least um as a slow rollout because you bring you bring the populace to their
knees and force them with the solution being blockchain uh so anyways check it out world left
behind dude they've already attacked your critical infrastructure once already and i'm talking critical
like what didn't a colonial pipeline hack happen in january 2021 right just after biden came in yes
sir exactly they're building it they're building this up brother they're programming it in getting
us ready for it uh that was the rogue russians there's a rogue like uh i forgot its name again
there's like a rogue uh outfit of like russian hackers that operate like the highest of levels
right chill net i think it's kill net kill net that's the one that's the one
robo we either gotta close this down or we gotta swap because i can i i can go back i can go to
listening but i gotta do my i gotta go to irl shit yeah i'm cool closing this i actually gotta get to
get to work man i just hopped in here and y'all invited me up so i wanted to say hello it's always
a pleasure rack fm love you guys uh syncom love whale hold a bunch of all all this up here man you guys are
doing the thing and y'all are some of the leaders in this space so keep that shit up and if y'all are
bored later 5 p.m cst i'm hosting a solo nation space we're pretty much xrpl centric focused but
through corium if we're going to be able to bridge xrp on to uh onto all these other great d apps you
guys have built so check us out i came out with that with that that shill was perfect it was like
perfectly timed i love it like you did a good job on that i appreciate that very very much and um
you know it's not just brendo's choice whether or not we close down the you know
no b-bans i've got the show 12 i've got the show 12 and i want to get ready i still want to do a bit
more real so close it down i love you guys i love you guys have a wonderful rest of your day i can't
wait to uh see you guys again probably oh actually i'm going to see you tomorrow we're going to do
sib ai we're going to talk sib ai the oracle's going to be there um sefi said he'd hop in don
kryptonium is going to come and where he did he did a video on sib on the boot if you guys want to
watch that and how to how to how to use it and understand it but yeah you guys uh we'll see you
you tomorrow ciao ciao
