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Recorded: May 1, 2025 Duration: 3:29:52Space Recording
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good morning rock fm and good morning to everybody listening on the replay it is beautiful first of
may 2025 and we might have some going down obviously we're going to kick off with the title
of elon's not leaving i'm not leaving i can imagine elon on the phone i'm not leaving
leaving i can imagine elon on the phone i'm not leaving but uh right we'll get some people in
i haven't even retweeted this out or dm'd it yet uh let me get people in the room it's recorded
for a reason you're probably gonna find out but man has been so i can't even keep up today
and yesterday's cabinet meeting was insane wasn't it oh we've got anna navara losing her mind we've got katie perry fighting
back we've got all sorts of kicking right off now england's a right now
oh my god it's getting worse they just released the uh grooming gang uh documentary on channel
four yesterday this doesn't end well can we just say this this does not end
well for these bad people like oh we're after them but hot on their tail we're coming for you
you can't hide all of us all your evil people we're going to take us all down
read peeps gives a minute uh let me get this dm'd out to a couple of people let's get some people
in the room if not i'll be back in about 60 seconds with a little cheeky monologue or whatever right see you in a bit people i'll not be long
fucking every cunt's right lazy cunts aren't they're on the morning now these days
proper lazy cunts here we go let's see let's see
Lazy cunts, here we go.
Let's see, let's see.
We might have a special guest.
Alright, that's all I'm saying at this point.
Is that we might, we might have a special guest joining us.
I'll just leave it at that.
And then if he does join, fucking expect fucking World War 3.
It's going to fucking kick right off.
Never mind.
We'll see.
We'll see.
Apparently, B-Bands tells me things have been getting a little spicy.
That's what B-Bands says.
Anyway, let me go and DM.
Some people, I'm talking and DMing at the same time.
I can't multitask.
I'm a man.
Give me 60 seconds Thank you. here we go get some dms out i'll tell you what the dms share from spaces the link share via dm
it's fucking shit you like you can't put more than two people in if you put three people in
then one might go through if you're lucky but often you'll put like you'll
message it the two people at the same time and it like go through to one of
the one of the fucking two fucking shit man yeah let's see what's happening
we'll be kicking off shortly fit people I don't care if it's recorded or not
well we'll get it we'll get it pumping. I reckon this is going to
gone off the date. Honestly, there'll be some shit the day, I'm telling you. Guaranteed.
Our kangaroo man's at poker. He's like, aye, I'll jump on later when I'm free. So we're gonna fucking see where that goes down there, aren't we?
He's fucking... He gives zero fucks right now, does he?
Fuck kangaroo, man, man. He's fucking causing World War fucking free, left, right and centre.
He doesn't fucking give a fuck. Absolutely. The kid gives zero fucks, like.
He fucking learned from the fucking best, like, didn't he?
He gives zero fucks. Zero fucks. zero folks like he fucking learned from the fucking best light didn't he zero folks zero
folks it's hilarious i'm here for me like wait let's see which messages haven't gone
all right okay we're looking decent we're looking decent oh look at that How many? There's like fucking 12 links haven't gone any cunt.
Fucking Jesus.
What time is it anyway?
20 Baskade.
They're all lazy cunts aren't they?
Oh look at this, loads of them haven't gone out.
Fuck.
Fuck my life.
Everybody's always, will you send us the links?
I always miss the spaces.
Will you send me the links, will you?
Fucking sending you the links, you fucking plebs.
What are you talking about?
Get your fucking that together.
Here we go.
Sort it out.
This fucking Elon thing's a disgrace.
The fucking Wall Street Journal won it.
I'll tell you what.
In my honest open opinion,
the fucking Wall Street Journal could be investigated for this. Like, if anybody's made money on this,
fucking known what Wall Street Journal were going to do,
even after they reached out to Tesla for an official statement
and Tesla refuted it,
then they went ahead and published it.
Tesla's got a right to go ahead and sue them.
Oh, he's me man.
He's me man, Sentinel.
Here we go.
How you go, son?
You got the 10-second walk of shame when you come up as a speaker?
How you doing, brother?
You all right, Geyser?
Yeah, mate.
Yeah, good.
Good, good, good.
Just been out and about and uh doing it's a nice sunny day outside um and i can see people who are you venting for today the
local elections like it matters am i just that skeptical have i just become a nihilist
oh is it the local is it the local
elections today is it yeah yeah of course yeah is that the ones is that the one starmer didn't even
want to go ahead oh i don't know probably not mate it's a fucking disgrace honestly central i can't
even begin to imagine i mean i know you're out the way of it the most of it but
dude i mean you pay for electricity don't you like you pay you know what i mean yeah
yes mate it's fucking brutal bro yeah it's uh where i am it's all conservative with speech bubbles around like wink wink yeah just it's mostly
all right I mean like Devonshire it's like everyone's pretty chill because there's it's
mostly like homogenous going to extra on earth mate do you know do you know about
starmer's political history or not you know he's a hardcore hardcore pavloist right
yes yeah yeah i mean like back in the day he was um was he in the like trotsky appreciation club
like most of them are in his university days oh he went behind the red he went
behind the red curtain back in the day when he went on that uh trip to the czech republic in uh
1987 i think it was made he is one of the ultimate commies one of the biggest commies you'll ever
meet but the commies have just taken on a different form to what we think of as traditional communists
right oh yeah of course yeah i mean like the the idea of um that the uh who is it the anarchists
uh i can't remember it so an anarchist association related to labor their logo emblem is quite literally a wolf in sheep's clothing and that's that's where it all
kind of comes from like they they don't hide it I mean that's what that's why there was a split off
with the Lib Dems I mean the whole faction split off from the old labour movement I mean Blair kind
of came in and kind of again like it's the purge isn't it it's the cleanup it's the fresh image
it's yeah when it's the fresh image it's
yeah when it's not at all it's it's the same old you know that we all know that i mean that's
dude you do not you do know who was the person who fought to get their benefits for illegal
immigrants right back in 2003 guess well was it starmer when he was um that was his role wasn't it i mean no this is before
this is before he was director of public prosecutions before landlords who are who are
refusing to um uh take them in they've been offered like full rent for six to 12 months to
take in um quote unquote asylum seekers and they're like no
fuck off yeah well there's that massive like circle uh scandal happening right now so i'll
go and grab a facebook post i mean the other day a lot of people don't know in fact the vast
majority of british people are very uh unaware of circle because of the way they've operated in the background they've got their
claws in everything to do with like law enforcement security child protection services probation
services circle is literally one of the evilest companies on planet earth and i can talk about
the queen and her relation it's basically it was the queen slush fund let's say good morning to
joe though man oh grab a mic if you want brother good morning joe how we doing brother are we okay
maybe he can't speak maybe he's busy and he's just sending emoji yeah yeah yeah
uh so i kicked it off doing obviously just like a little monologue uh we probably probably are
going to get a speaker in you can see it's a recorded if you look up in the uh top left-hand
corner i'll see the record button that's for a reason hopefully mr kangaroo will be joining us
after he's a poker night has finished i don't know if you know this but every year first of the month
uh rama plays uh poker with the devil and chuck nonus
so that was a couple hours ago i sport room and he said right i'm free after the poker so i'll be
coming on the space so expect some fireworks uh expect some i don't know cakes we're going to
find out what's happening i mean sent a little uh there was a big dex launch
yesterday i mean i don't want to go into it too much just yet there's so many other things to
talk about like michelle obama being a man which we all knew uh and then the borrows
dude i couldn't believe that on the podcast with marlon gain so i should basically admit it as a man as a black man i uh uh uh
you uh uh i big mike big mike king schlong dong oh snails he lad grab a mike son if you want nice
to see you back in the audience snailsy right i hope you're doing well brother uh yes mate though
so there was a dex uh launched is that right? Was it the big launch?
Was it yesterday?
Sentinel's keeping quiet.
He's like, I'm on the official account.
I'm keeping quiet.
Yeah, I don't know.
Tell me, was there a DEX launch?
What are we talking about?
I don't know.
Apparently there was some launch and then there was people not happy about some shit.
I don't know.
We're waiting for Kangaroo Man to find out. We're going to until he comes yeah that'd be good to see was it not working was
it was it like a gravity was it gravity that came out uh a few years ago and didn't didn't stick
i believe i believe there's something uh to do with an astra port uh copy pasta fork if i'm right in thinking that
there's some dude i didn't really want to get into it like massively yet uh i would shout out
to a lad i don't want to get into it massively yet like i said the kangaroo man should be coming in
after the poker game but it's quite a few things isn't there hyper liquid uh i only
mentioned hyper liquid because i've seen zerg jumping hyper liquids uh twitter got compromised
earlier as well good morning sir gm farm gm gm gm how you doing been a while it has made it's
glorious to hear your voice like welcome back brother always welcome i saw satin laugh i'm like i might as well join the space
so apparently apparently some people's not happy with some astroport copy past the decks
run by stride right allegedly from what i've heard the tower one on baby, yeah, that's an interesting one. I want, you know, Rahma has been all over them, so I will let him comment on it.
Yeah, he said he should be about two and a half to two hours to two and a half hours away,
and that was obviously a couple of hours ago, so I said, we'll be up, we'll fire up,
and he'll be jumping in, don't worry about that.
Zerk, how are you doing, mate?
I mean, I have to take my hat off
to you, bro. You've been absolutely
fucking pumping it recently.
You've had more pivots than
I think I've ever seen in history
one way or another.
You kids are killing it over there like
mine, dude.
Hey, you gotta do it.
You gotta do the survive, man. It a adapt or die right it's it's
a science so uh if we gotta pivot we'll pivot it's no issue i enjoy the space so it's all good
it's been good it's been fun uh i've been enjoying myself hope hope you're you're doing well too it
seems your stream or i guess your space is sponsored now that's pretty cool man
yeah you know it was an interesting one i was dying just to be able to put the breakfast show
on every day so you know people wake up right monday to friday and they're like they know that
rack fm will be on whether they're on the way to work or whatever's going on you know like it was essential to try and have that level
of consistency we've just done like uh 83 shows since the uh first of february well actually the
third of february was started but we did we've done 58 breakfast shows i think we've done 25
interviews 83 all together and it was we just you know what it's like sir you'll understand
this right i didn't want to put on the permanent breakfast show without having like a name behind
us you know what i mean for like credibility purposes or or whatever there's more it's like
it's not about getting a sponsorship deal and the fact that like all right okay we can try and maybe
like you know earn to be able to put the show on it wasn't a case of that it was like it's going to be a mutual
agreement where if we can get a name at least that name gives us a little bit of level of credibility
there was more in it than what like the general you know general 80 90 iq person would think do
you know what i mean bro it was it's a mutual
uh what do they call it you know when you've got the shark and you've got the little fish
and that they pick like their uh symbiotic radiation yeah yeah you say symbiotic or
symbiotic over there um i mean in canada i think we say symbiotic. It's from, you know
the word, right? Symbiosis.
I don't know where the emphasis
goes, but...
That's the one, man.
It's really beneficial. There we go.
Did you get a surprise this week
or did you think the
situation in Canada played out like
exactly how you thought it was going to play out?
Because it's been a bit of a shock to many people.
That's a good question.
I was chatting with Ambito, or, well, I guess I wasn't really chatting with him,
but we had like a small ex-exchange.
He's like, I voted, you know.
I'm like, bro, did you see the polymarket polls?
It was 80% liberals to win, and that has been the case for about two, three weeks now.
So, and I'm a big believer in if people are willing to put in $70 million on a bet,
they usually know what they're doing, especially if the odds are 80% to win. So in that sense, I kind of already knew
or was expecting the liberal government to win,
which is the same exact government we had
for the past 11 or 10 years.
So I don't know what people,
you know, I guess it's always trying to pick the lesser evil.
I don't know who the lesser evil is and but i was kind of expecting this
because of the polymark yeah i mean i i sent that i sent that like b bands in fin about four days
before the polymarket thing and i was like have you seen this i went i was like this can't be real
but obviously it turned out to be really real yeah Yeah, I mean, it's been so accurate too, right? Like for Trump elections as well, it's been extremely accurate.
Like people did not expect this.
And that was much closer than this one.
This one was not even close, right?
It wasn't even like 60-40.
It was 80-20.
And you had like, again, 70 million in the pool.
So it's not like it's a 500K bet.
It's a pretty big bet.
So in that sense, the people that bet on Polymarket,
at this point, like, do we even need elections?
Yeah.
These guys know it's happening.
Well, Zerba, I watched a video today.
I've put it in the nest, mate.
If you haven't seen it yet, I highly recommend to go and watch it, right?
But it's about Pierre Pol are there losing his seat now i didn't actually know about what's
happened with i mean i used the phrase the other day with mano which was like gerrymandering
but there's been some like very uh suspicious like moving of geographical lines on the voting map which has created like a really i
mean this this tweet in there up there in the nest bro even if you want to take a couple of minutes
and go and watch it you know and come back and comment i was like is this for real like is what
and has this gone on all over canada I did earlier see Danielle Smith's speech.
So Zerger, do you think there's going to be any sort of secession conversation
or even leading to like referendums in places like Alberta?
Nah, they're always threatening, you know.
I come from Quebec, right?
You know, we are the number one referendum province in Canada.
We've had several of them already to separate and they never went through.
So I think, you know, the good thing about Trump being elected is I feel like Canadians are a little more unified.
If it's not through like this voting, at least there's hockey, right?
So I'm hoping that that can keep the country together. It feels like there's a little more
national pride, which is good. So I have not heard any of the Quebec people. This is my experience
talking about any type of referendum. So even though we had like a pretty big block voting,
that's kind of the Quebec party. Anyways, I'm not expecting that. And it has always been the case
that Alberta has voted conservative and the rest of Canada, or I guess the more liberal parts voted
liberal and Quebec kind of voting for the block. It's been like that for a long time.
They're always threatening things and they never follow through.
And they're kind of in the middle, right?
Like it would make no sense for them to separate.
Like geographically speaking is just kind of weird.
So I don't know.
I think it's more people being unhappy with the way the vote turned out, just like with Trump.
Right. Like a lot of, you know, states said, oh, we're going to do this.
We're going to do that. And people said we're going to move to Mexico or we're going to move to Canada.
And then they don't end up doing it because it is short term and it is a minority, you know, party.
So it's not like they have all three wills so it is good i
i think it's you know it's it's not perfect like i said it would it would only have two choices
right so it would only have the choice of becoming an independent sovereign nation
or seceding and becoming say a party in the united states but at the end of the day am i
right in thinking alberta's landlocked isn't it so it would be essentially like you know two two
provinces so where are you gonna go right like okay you can if you want to be part of the u.s i
guess that could be an option but it's kind of weird if you look at it from a map perspective
i don't think it makes much sense from the national security perspective as well how would
you be able to protect that come on that would be impossible to protect your borders right
yeah yeah like for real that you know they're surrounded from three sides, right? Like east, west, and north.
Just the south would be the U.S. So still, I think it's, you know, again, the values of...
Albertan people are very nice people.
I'm not to have to say anything bad about Americans or anything like that, but they're
like Canadian people.
It's kind of, you know, it's that Canadian vibe.
So I don't know. i guess they don't like
the liberal government and i can understand because they're they're they have a a lot of
money and some of the decisions have not helped them uh in the past 10 years from from the the
last government so i can i can get their point but like the value i do that the number i saw the numbers of the
states that have been like uh net positive contributors and those that have been basically
leeching off the system and you only had two in the blue you only had yeah well you had alberta at
247.6 billion and then you had a bc around about like 46 point something billion and then
what's the one beginning with s I can never see it this the state beginning
with s they were virtually break-even and then everybody else was like a net
taker and that leecher what I would like to call? Yeah, Alberta has the oil, right?
So that's why they're so rich.
It's because they have this big oil industry.
And yeah, literally the rest of the country is benefiting from that.
They have no taxes in their province, which is quite interesting.
Like no local taxes, but they have the federal
tax and that's what pays for a lot of services. So I can understand, like I said, I can understand
economically, uh, they want to be separated from everybody else because they're making their own
money. Uh, but that being said, like in terms of values and geographically, um, if you're adding a
lot of things on top, I don't see how,
you know, they would vote to separate. And they never had this referendum. Like in Quebec,
we did have it. Like it was language based. It was culture based. I think that that's to me,
like the most important part of a vote, especially such an important one, is kind of the emotional aspect to it.
And I don't see how they can emotionally, you know, vote for, oh, well, it makes sense
financially, right? Like, usually, this vote was like, we hate Trump, you know, I think a lot of
polls said this, right? We're not voting for the conservatives just because we don't like Trump.
because we don't like tongue. So in that sense, I don't see, again, like people voting for an
economic issue when it's more likely to be an emotional vote at the end of the day to separate,
right? So that's why the Quebec one, they had three of them. It was language-based, culture-based,
and still that didn't go through. So anyways, I don't know, man man i'm not like the expert on politics this is just like my
opinions and uh uh again i'm welcome to be proven wrong on any of what i said yeah well daniel daniel
smith i put the uh her tweet uh yesterday obviously in the in the nest she's ramping up the rhetoric
it's quite interesting when you know there's this like separation talk
and then kind of like the premier's like willing to ramp it up i mean whether it's rhetoric whether
she's just trying to get a better deal we'll see but it seemed like she literally said this is a
message to mark carney their new primer and then she just went on one and i'm like hmm maybe no smoke without fire
sometimes i'm not too sure about that she seems to be i'm not going to say flaming the situation
but she's certainly doing a bit to like rouse albertans to think because they've just changed
the uh the vote while they are busy passing the house bill to change the voting laws and stuff
right and they're all the things around petitions the later like referendums that like dropping the numbers they're increasing
the amount of days uh they're doing a lot of stuff right in alberta to be able to facilitate
a referendum on a secession we'll see man we'll see i again not willing. You know, it's not my expertise. I doubt that it will pass.
And like I said, it happened almost every election. You know, Alderdo votes conservatives and both ends of the country vote for liberal.
It's been like that for a while. And they're always saying we should separate. We should do this. We should do that.
And they're always saying we should separate, we should do this, we should do that.
And never amounts to anything because, again, where are they going to go?
Do they want to be American?
I don't know if that's a good idea.
Do they want to be their own country?
I don't think that's a good idea either.
And their values, like at the core, I feel like Albertans are very Canadian in essence.
So to me, it makes sense.
I'll tell you what, I've you what i have got a final question
on this for you we'll welcome everybody else because we've got a lot of people in the room
uh do you think and i'll base this comment or question on the proportional representation
let's say when you look at obviously the atlantic you know, you're looking at those, like how they've got, how many seats, you know,
represent representational seats.
Do you think at its core fundamental basis that can Canada has got a broken
political system or do you think the political system is fit for purpose?
I don't know. Again, man, I,
the only thing I will say on this is I enjoy having, you know,
because ultimately there is one leader, right? Like somebody has to win at the bottom line.
So I kind of like how they do it in France where they have two turns, right? Like they vote initially for the favorites and then
it's kind of like one or the other choice. So I would like that, but we'll see if they actually
implement it. They've been talking about changing the system for decades now, right? To integrate
new ways of having this vote done, but they never do it again because i think
they know how to make themselves favorite in the system so why change the system if it favors you
in a sense um broken is a big word i don't think broken but can it be better yes it can be definitely
much better yes that's that's a that's a based canadian take right there bro i love it right i want to just
welcome everybody into the room in the order they came in so let's just say good morning to tank
tank will do the gms quickly and then we'll get on some topics good morning tank
good morning good morning yeah uh actually i'm obviously not canadian but i do want to say about
the verbiage that people use, right? I don't think
the system's broken. I think it's working as intended. And I think you're absolutely right,
Zerk. I don't think they're trying to fix it because again, it's achieving the goal. Like
you said, it's been that way for forever. Like why the hell are they going to change it? Right?
So not broken, working exactly as intended, but the people need to choose to either keep going with that
and or actually do something i i don't necessarily think it would be a bad idea for secession to
actually happen who the fuck is gonna attack them other canadian like canadian people that's not
fucking gonna happen like come on uh if they go to be americans i think that's weird and uh like kind of uh there that would be a
process and and then some but i mean i wouldn't be opposed to it hell i want to go hunting up
there shit some of the some of the most ideal hunting grounds they have beautiful mountains
like really it's one of the most beautiful places in canada if you look up canada on google the
first picture you will see is from Alberta.
So it's quite 100%.
Yeah, it's beautiful.
Absolutely.
Every time I've been to Canada, I'm just like, man, this place is fucking gorgeous.
That's where that's where we were going to move, you know.
So we were going to move, believe it or not, in the 80s to Canada.
Me dad's like second cousin.
They were involved in the oil business over then the what to be dad
is an electrical engineer and what happened was my mom went to me grandma and said right we're
thinking about emigrating to canada and me grandma literally like laid out on the floor kicking our
feet screaming and everything and that was like that was the end of the conversation like and i'm
like what a life we could have had uh Good morning, Scott. How are you doing, brother?
You okay?
Oh, we haven't got Scott.
That's all right.
We'll skip.
I got it.
I apologize.
You've got 43 microphones and you can't even answer.
I mean, what the fuck?
I do it just to piss you off
because I understand
how rigid and structured your spaces are.
So I want to
just wait to the point where
you feel like you have to step in
and then I'm going to point it out.
Okay, I'm good now. I just do it to piss you off.
Dude, you're the only dude
that tests a new microphone once a week on Rack FM Spaces. At least once a week you you off dude you're the only dude that tests a new microphone though
once a week on rack fm spaces like you're like at least once a week you're on and you're like
can you hear me can you hear me i'm just testing this new microphone and we're like another one
dude you collect microphones that you collect guns right you forgot well yeah and i i have i have uh
yes i have a large gun collection now but. But it's fun, all right?
Things are supposed to be fun.
Blowing shit up is fun.
No, it's between wireless, cordless, studio, desktop, all that other shit, man.
Yeah, I got a few mics.
But we're on the gold standard.
You know, I mean, we got the big Shure, so we're on the gold standard.
I'm never going to be able to make those wireless ones sound like a Shure, man.
Physics, all right? You're never going to be able to make those wireless ones sound like a shirt, man. Physics, all right?
You're never going to step over the top of that. Were we
weighing in on Canada? You know what? I've never
stepped foot in the country, ever.
I've never, and I lived in Minnesota
for years. I just,
I never went up there, man. I don't,
you know, poutine is nice.
That's the French fries and gravy. I like
that, but aside from that, I can't really say it's had a lot of, you know, cultural impact on me.
Look at Sefi, giving the thumbs down.
Have you ever tried French fries with gravy?
Wait a minute.
It's just slop.
It's like just fucking up French fries, boys.
Like, don't believe his bullshit.
Were you high?
Yeah.
Were you high when you did it?
Because if you were high when you did it, man,
it's an out-of-body experience, man.
It's glorious.
I have to admit I was not.
Did you say a minute?
Poutine's not great.
I agree with Sefi.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
Oh, my God.
You guys are ridiculous.
Poutine is delicious.
I love that.
Back me up here, B-Bans. Hold on. I can change you guys are ridiculous. Poutine is delicious. I love that. I just had roast potatoes
with gravy.
Which is french fries
with gravy.
Oh, not everybody speak at once.
Poutine is dirt, though.
I just want to say GM to B-Bans. Good morning,
B-Bans. How are you doing, darling? You okay?
I'm fine. I mean, if you're going to continue
saying Poutine is dirt, you're crazy, man.
Well, welcome to the whole...
Wait, wait, hold on.
B-Bads, we're not talking about the president of Russia or whatever.
I know. I pronounced it weird. I say it right.
God damn it.
Morning Sefi mate, it's been a while, how are you doing Sonny? Alright, hope you're well
Morning, Sefi. Mate, it's been a while. How are you doing, Sonny? All right. Hope you're well.
Yeah, we've been kind of busy, so just kind of have a new company running and we're working on, well, fundamentally mind control
So it's been keeping me busy
Are you printing? I mean that's all we care about, are you printing bro?
Got to be printing, right? Printing? No, I'm just wasting care about. Are you printing, bro? Got to be printing.
Printing?
No, I'm just wasting a bunch of money right now, mostly.
Well, what does this feel like there? You guys are doing pretty good, though,
because you guys just signed a free trade deal with India.
You've got royalty there, don't you?
So that's where all your shit's come from.
You're saying I have to, like, get my
products made in India now?
Maybe. No, no, no.
Sorry.
Isn't your wife...
Sorry.
Oh, yeah, Indian?
I'm getting a bit pissed off.
Sorry, I'll shut up.
Isn't your wife Indian, Safi?
Yes, yes. Anyhow. Oh, I'll shut up. Isn't your wife Indian, Sefi? Yes, yes.
Anyhow.
Oh, on this Canada topic,
I have this new litmus test.
Wait a minute, Sefi, would you go to fight?
If it was a war against Pakistan, a full-on war,
would you go and fight on the Indian side?
I would if I was you. You'd have to, wouldn't you?
Fuck no, I'm not going to India to fight with anybody.
What? Dude, isn't she royalty? Fuck no, I'm not going to India to fight with anybody The people of Pakistan and North India are both
fucking retards
They can just go kill each other as far as I'm concerned
I love watching
One of my secret things to do
Is I love watching that border
fucking uh face off all the time where they fucking just start stomping the ground this
shit is just so entertaining to me it's hilarious the border it's awesome have you not seen wait
have you not seen the Indian dudes or the army dudes on the motorbikes or it's one of the funniest
things I've ever seen in my life. They get motorcycle acrobat team.
You cannot top motherfuckers pointing at a line in the ground and saying,
cross this fucking line.
I fucking dare you.
Cross it.
Come here.
Come the fuck here.
Like it just, dude,
all it has to do is escalate towards like the South,
the South Korean and North Korean borderline where they literally try to pull
you over and that they could just becomes human tug of war.
And I would fucking tune in every
day to watch it dude
every day
whenever they meet at the line
and they beat the shit out of each other with like
broomsticks it's fucking awesome
wait a minute
let me come in here cause Seppy
wanted to win on the camera
it's a full on
display every single time there's a shift change it's crazy this
performance these guys put on it's brilliant it's brilliant there's a better one there's a better
one than this because i want sefi's opinion on canada ria before we change the subject on elon
and the wall street journal uh does anybody know a couple of years ago about obviously India's also got a border clash
with China and a few years ago India and China reached a bilateral agreement right where the
border guards wouldn't have any guns or ammo and so basically what they did is that the tool them
up with like clubs and baseball bats with spikes out them. And then there was a skirmish, you know, about two years ago on the border with China.
And there was literally like, I think there might have been one or two killed,
but there was like about 20 people like proper really badly injured, but they had no guns.
Motherfuckers changed uniforms to a full-on fucking arm.
Scott would go over there with his blacksmithing and fucking wreak havoc
dude
Everybody's in there a full of fucking plates of metal armor and shit baseball bats
These were national armies fighting with clubs like it was like 1887 or something
Right don't forget it was only 1887 where we could fight with clubs.
It was only 200 years ago.
It was not that long ago for some
civilizations.
Technically you can do fighting with clubs.
You just got to have the right attitude.
Right.
Let's get back the news.
That's enough shit talking.
Let's fucking bring back dueling.
I want to bring back fucking formal dueling.
He's about to hit you guys on mute.
He's trying to maintain control.
You'll be going on mute. Right.
Steffi, come in on the Canada thing soon
because I said you're an invite. You took a while
so I know you've got something to say. Let's go.
Yeah, I had to go brush my teeth first.
But anyway,
yeah, the Canada thing.
So I think
most of the
Western democracies as they're known, or just the industrialized world, has by and large lost its mind.
And I think it's really quite clear that the politicians in Canada are complete imbeciles and really can't be trusted.
And interestingly, the way you know this, I've had this new litmus test now, and you can tell me if I'm insane here.
But basically, if the people of your country are not having babies, that means you fucked up so royally that you took the most natural instinct on earth and you somehow destroyed it.
So if you take Canada, which is in the ultra low birth rate category,
just like Thailand is, by the way, which has completely lost its mind,
it means that the public is so fundamentally insane in that particular nation
that they fail to even have a basic minimum replacement rate of
children. Now, that's to say that not a single industrialized nation is now above replacement
rate on the earth, but Canada is definitely in the worst of the worst, next to Thailand and China,
what have you. So what's going to happen in Canada is really simple. They brought in tons and tons of
the most retarded fucking Indians you can imagine.
They brought in the most retarded fucking Muslims you can imagine.
And these are not like the people that you think of as like the doctor's lawyers crowd.
We're talking about the most fucking retards you can possibly imagine.
You dig them up from God knows where, bring them in for God knows what.
And basically the country's just fucking dead. I can tell you this right now. It's like, you're just waiting. You're watching a slow
death where the locals that had supposedly high IQ and built the country and roads and buildings
and all the cool shit you see, none of those people are showing up anymore. That's not who's
coming. This is true of a lot of countries, Europe in particular. You're basically just diluting IQ, thinking that you're going to be able to keep on making TikTok videos, not having children, and whatever the fuck else people do in the West now.
So this is the problem.
So if you don't have a return to family and you don't see the politicians highly advocating for that, that means there's just basically no chance.
The entire system is basically toast.
Canada is as good as dead.
And really, it wouldn't surprise me
if they're essentially begging to join the United States.
Mexico is in the same boat, by the way.
They're going to be in the same exact situation.
Probably most of North America will sort of become conjoined.
And it still won't solve the problem unless people don't have kids very soon.
Central and South America, most of it's 100% cooked.
Total and complete collapse.
Basically, you're just watching a die off of those populations.
In fact, like 20% of Honduras has moved to the United States already, which is hilarious.
And basically, just people are going to run.
Any conservatives that are remaining
in Canada are probably
just going to attempt to run to the Midwest
of the United States or something.
Canada's just wholesale toast
as you're going to see a brain drain.
Ultimately,
they're fucked.
That's a take and a half.
Zerger, you heard that.
Any comments, bro?
I don't know, man.
You might be right.
You might be wrong.
It's, I guess, you know, talking about population and how people are not having kids.
I have two kids personally, right?
And all my friends have kids.
Housing is expensive, but housing two kids personally, right? And all my friends have kids. Housing is expensive,
but housing is expenses everywhere, right? And so that's the prime reason why people maybe don't
want to have kids is because everything costs so much nowadays. But I feel like that's an issue
everywhere. And that's, you know, in my mind, I want you to flip that. The reason housing is expensive is because your countries are essentially inflating the currency
because there are no children to replace the actual workload.
So the entire thing is a gerontocracy scam.
There are not enough kids in Canada.
It's like 1.25 births per woman now at this point.
And all you're seeing is like when people say the houses
cost too much, that's an epiphenomenon of not having enough children. It's not a reason why
people don't have children. In fact, the wealthier people are, the less children they actually have.
That's a pattern that is true all over the world everywhere. The smarter and wealthier you are,
the more susceptible you are to modernity, like smartphones and
whatever, convincing you that you only need two children as opposed to three or four or five.
And that is pretty pernicious all over the world. Every single country that gets touched by
smartphones is dying right now, which is really pretty fascinating.
We can talk about that. We can talk about can talk about that and shift happens because I'm seeing this happen in real time in front of my eyes in Thailand and it's frightening.
I want to go with the hands.
Pedro, you had your hand up before five on it.
What were you going to say, Pedro?
Well, basically, I couldn't agree more with Tavia with what he was saying. But I feel like with the Canadian election,
it was kind of a...
At first, all of the Western world was kind of thinking,
yeah, great, Trump, he's been elected.
Now we're going to get a wave of, I don't know,
maybe slightly centre-right governments.
Populism.
Populism.
But then all of a sudden we get, yeah, I think a little bit of a backlash,
and I think that's kind of happening all over the place,
a little bit of a backlash against the centre-right.
And I'm a little bit scared that we've got an election coming up in Australia.
We've just had Canada roll over to the left. I'm pretty sure Australia's probably going
to go over to the left. We've got an election in 12, or just over 12 months in New Zealand where we'll,
we might probably,
probably go over to the left unless the right gets some shit done.
Yeah, I'm a little bit scared about it, to be honest.
I thought Trump was going to be the...
Go on, go on, no no go and listen to steve bannon go and
listen to some of the more longer form stuff that bannon's been doing uh he's one of the most
underrated political voices out there in the world for me right now he's he's he's an exceptionally
cleverly smart man but he's been talking a lot about this mind a lot about this air five on it
you had your hand up there bro uh yeah i didn't know my hand was up but i i work in family law
and to counter all of this i'm really glad some of you are not having kids but also has i'm at a
and uh has soy's profile picture always been the press secretary or was it once dog the bounty hunter am
i going blind it changed it a while ago it's fucking class isn't it so it's caroline leaver
with like it's sunglasses and they're like they're dead and then i was like going through an identity
crisis like holy was i staring so far away like that it was dog the bounty hunter in my head this
whole time i think he's a bit busy right now
i think he's been there uh i'm not too sure he might be being a little dirty little dog in thailand
right now i haven't heard from him for a few weeks but uh i hope he's doing well you know we always
love all of our family uh snealsy and our snails he's been going through it we all you know we care
about everybody in the room see chucks down there man or grab a mic
eh right uh b bands so i look i'm gonna pivot we love a pivot i don't like i don't know if anybody else i'll say tank was a mutant and unmuting sorry i was doing i didn't mean to do that but
i just wanted to add on to that dude uh as an american and a conservative i'm not like
die-hard conservative some things i'm kind of like a little bit here and there
But I just gotta say i'm not scared at all. Like i'm not nervous at all. Like dude, I voted for trump
Wanting him to shake up the world like literally that's why I voted for it because I was sick and tired
Of the same shit that we've been dealing with for years and years and years
And so it's like the whole purpose of my vote at least was one you know
i lean that way anyway but it's because i wanted to shake up i wanted people i wanted the rest of
the world to go oh let's do some uh but like i don't know dude i like when you say you like
voted for trump and expected things like what did you expect or when you when people when you didn't
vote for trump like when you see people voting for Like what did people expect To be like fucking
He's an internet sensation
So all of a sudden
The rest of the world
Just like folds and says
Okay we're going to do it your way
Like there's going to be
A huge fight
Huge fight
And that's what we need
That's what we need
That's what Canada's got to do
Well Tank
I watched
I watched the cabinet meeting yesterday
And it's probably too early
To go to the cabinet meeting
I was going to keep it for tomorrow but i was i was free basin that cabinet meeting yesterday when
he went around the table and to be honest with you i have to i'm going to admit something i was
going to keep it for tomorrow sure uncle don yesterday didn't look himself in that cabinet
meeting i don't know if anybody actually paid attention to him and his his form he looked i mean i know he just done the rally in michigan etc
uh and he done you know the big hundred day thing he looked for want of a better word a little bit
worn out a little bit frazzled he just didn't like look himself and he was like right you know
he did his bit and then he was
like he just handed it over now you can talk about marco rubio's like statements or whomever's
statements right but when they went around that table i was like fuck this shit's real like this
is really happening like these people are like committed they've committed their lives to really
trying to make a difference to the american people and then by the time I got the Tulsi
I don't know what you thought be bonds. Did you watch it or not? I was I was live tweeting news in the group chat, right?
No, I didn't get to watch it yet. Oh
I wasn't around
it's one of the greatest pieces of
Political posturing like that. I've so obviously this this stuff from you know back in world war ii
or whatever right you can refer back to in my modern lifetime while i've been alive for 40
almost 49 years that was the greatest piece yesterday of political posturing that i have
ever seen in my life i mean that looked like a team that have got their fingers on the pulses they're just ready
i mean i didn't want to go down this route i didn't because the titles elon's not leaving
uh i don't know what you guys think right in the room but the wall street journal if they're not
investigated by the sec in the morning or today i don't know what's going on so like you all know
i mean some of you has been asleep, I believe it.
You all saw the Tesla statement, right?
The Wall Street Journal have dropped this like hit piece.
And this is not the first time.
I mean, it was like, what, 2022 when he kicked off Elon about them and the short sellers.
They've actually reached out to Tesla and said, right is this story true this is what we've
heard you're looking for a new ceo you've contacted like headhunters and tesla's like no it's an
absolute fabrication this is a pure lie and then after hours the wall street journal has gone and
published it and then tesla stock stock has dropped four percent and not only obviously elon's come out made his statement tesla did and
you know they're bored essentially when do we get to the stage where the wall street journal is now
dragged in front of the sac in court yeah and and fingered to some degree i'm not being funny like
guys this is like looking like really really bad if they contacted tesla prior to launching the story to release and tesla were like no no no this is
and then they went and did it and then the stock goes down four percent and like are you talking
go look at the market value of tesla four percent isn't a joke i mean i'll tell you what sefi because
i know you're into the tesla and the stock I mean, what do you think, Sefi?
Should they be in front of the SEC for this or not?
I think so.
I'm not sure how the whole, like, freedom of the press shit works when it comes to these things.
Most of these agencies have been, or I'm sorry, news organizations have been putting out various false stories for, I don't know, a generation as far as I'm concerned when it comes to financial news.
I'm not sure how this qualifies as being any different.
I think the reality is that anyone today that actually buys and sells stock based on the news has a possibility of getting burned because they make up shit all the time.
So I'm not sure.
I'm not sure how it's any different from anything else.
Publishers and whatnot,
it doesn't matter if it's paper or internet or wherever,
they just hide behind the opinion pieces.
And a lot of them,
they hire independent writers.
And so where it's not fully attached to the brand or whatever,
it doesn't have to be New York Times,
it could be CNN, whatever.
Fox, all of them do this, where they they just publish it's just not that tank if you've ever been interviewed by people from these organizations um i remember in new york times uh
lady interviewed me and i'm like uh okay this woman has mental illness like objectively
a lot of the people that actually work for the media are basically just fundamentally
retards. Yeah, I agree. To a large extent, I think a lot of what you see happening with the media is
just incompetence, not necessarily conspiracy or even like, you know, it's a mixture of like
extraordinary amount of political bias plus incompetence. And you put the two together and
it explains almost all of what you see there. Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's a mixture of like extraordinary amount of political bias plus incompetence. And you put the two together and it explains almost all of what you see there.
Yeah, I was going to say, I think it's a combination of both.
Sometimes leading more in one side than the other.
But definitely, definitely retards just selling shit to other retards.
Wasn't it the New York Times that had like, because you're talking about the independents, etc.
Wasn't it the New York Times that had lorenz working for them right i mean she is like the worst of the worst of
the worst that woman right you know taylor lorenz no tim pool took out the massive billboard in
times square about that like she's the one that's been seeing luigi uh luigi mangi what's his name
again luigi you know luigi the the hospital dude killer mangiini or whatever his name again Luigi you know Luigi the the hospital dude killer
Mangini or whatever his name is she was like oh well he's he's a morally nice guy and I'm thinking
darling like you know the wonder people don't want to have babies if you're the kind of woman that
like we would have to have a baby with no the wonder people don't have fucking babies. Oh, Red Eye, son. Back in your seat at that top of the table there, say, brother.
You all right, Red Eye?
Oh, yeah.
Just gotten an extra hour of sleep today.
Feeling quite rested.
Didn't the clocks change fucking like a month ago or some shit or what?
Or is it a holiday or some shit in America?
Is it Labor Day, is it?
No, I just didn't set an alarm for myself
this one oh you did a cheeky one did i love a cheeky lion there's nothing better than a cheeky
lying is that i mean i who wants to weigh in on this wall street journal crack anybody before we
start talking some other anybody here lose anybody here lose money on that move or anybody anybody make money
anybody have any puts i didn't really buy any buy or sell anything based on it i wasn't paying that
close attention i look look you know the way that they've gone after like people in crypto and that
the saca like it's got to get to a point where this has got to
happen it's like it's like gotta happen isn't it so right there's loads of things been going on
b-bans did you see uh anon and navara's meltdown or not on uh cnn did you not watch it though
no b-bands no i didn't i'm sorry oh anna navara had a massive meltdown on fucking thing and then
the hat it was that bad that i had to cut and go to a commercial break she lost her mind that
daft i was laughing my head off at her man what a clown wait what happened can you tell me like what
oh she was you know that all right what's his name again sure
michael or whatever his name is uh i'll go enough to grab his name in a second uh he
was just all over the deportation thing and then she started kicking off and then she
was like hey you because obviously he's black you know she's like hey you i've stood up
for loads of black people in the past you want to be like great and he's like yeah
last time i checked i'm black and you're not and then she just lost the plot and started screaming
at the top of her voice and then abby phillips scott jennings just put his head in his hands and
scott jennings it was amazing by the way scott jennings was like oh i don't believe this
has kicked off and then abby phillips was like okay we'll go to a commercial break right now
it off and then abby phillips was like okay we'll go to a commercial break right now and there was
like a delay and then you could just hear them in the background absolutely going mental these people
are so she was trying to white knight him or something oh i oh i'm gonna i'm your white knight
i'm gonna come here and save you yeah she he brought up the like she brought up her like hispanic heritage as well to
try to throw that at him and i was just like hey man darling man you haven't got burritos coming
up you're funny you daft like shut the up man like literally what are you talking about
you're an idiot like playing the oppressed oh man give over man i'm sick of victim mentality me like
best arm and give over man i'm sick of victim mentality me like do you know victim mentality
has to be the most personally demeaning quality that you can literally to ever want to play
a victim like even when if you are a victim you don't want to be a victim because where's
the where's the strength in that where's the like strength of character aren't you supposed to have bad things happen and have like the sense of strong will to come
out of it being like a better person and a stronger person like you get punched in the face
for the first ever time and you realize you're not made of glass it's like i'm not made of glass i
a glass I can take a punch and you're like oh okay
can take a punch and you're like oh okay like otherwise you could come out as a victim like oh
like otherwise you could come out as a victim
like oh I punch me
oh like
people need to fucking talk like
we are so
soft right now humanity
is probably at us
at us softest
in history right now
while all this tranny shit and all this bullshit
which is by the way why I think that
nothing will come of the India-Pakistan thing.
Like, everyone's too busy looking at their fucking phones and whatever to go and fight a war, I promise you.
Like, nothing's going to happen, basically.
Same situation.
Dude, they're talking about banning cell phones again in schools totally here.
It's beyond belief.
Every single person I see in the street is just like head down on the phone
like constantly like oh it's mental man it's taken over asia they see they had to go ages ages without
like this kind of tech in places like you know cambodia oh the kangaroos are you ho ho ho ho ho
are you all ready for the spice are you all ready for the spice we've been waiting
b-bans can we change the title kangaroos in the room kangaroo in the room everything
well you started this b-band you started last night last night you were like, oh, Rama's getting spicy, isn't he? Rama's fucking kicking off.
And then this morning, you were like, oh, hey, matron. And then, oh, he's here.
Mate, so Rama, I was telling them, the first of the month, you normally play poker with a devil.
Just because I got here, continue the conversation. Don't cut your guests off.
No, we're talking about you earlier. No, shut up, man. We're grabbing your time.
We're talking about you earlier. I said, yeah, first. We're grabbing your time. We're talking about you earlier.
I said first of the month he plays poker with the devil and Chuck Norris.
Yeah, fucking powered him up.
Easy 100 bucks tonight.
Cost me a couple of hours of time, but I'll take the money.
Did you?
Cheeky one, was it?
What do you do?
Do you just like double the blinds?
How often do you just double the blinds?
So we just play on PokerStars. So you can't actually gamble. Oh, this is recorded. You can't gamble in Australia.
So we definitely do not gamble in Australia with your friends. We definitely do not use PokerStars and play under New Zealand accounts.
But we just do like a $50 buyin each week uh with play money monopoly money
and it's just friends like we just jump into like a like a group call and there's about 10 of us
each week we just jump in have a game 50 buck buy-in split it between like the top three uh
and then we just like put a bit of money on the side for like a end of year uh kitty and we just
go and have a bit of a gamble on the tab or whatever and go to the pub
and have a feed and some burgers and have a good time i thought i was telling i was telling red eye
last night the story about their bridge players the australian bridge players getting arrested
in thailand they get like elderly retired bridge players that were getting arrested for gambling when they weren't even gambling oh that's hilarious story that but never mind uh rama so we me and zerk did like kind of broach the
subject a little bit at the beginning but uh i'm right in thinking that the dex has just launched
quite recently in the cosmos ego system which you take your pick it's cosmos like there's one every week isn't there
well i don't know was there was there a shady astroport uh fork copy pasta fork
another astroport uh yeah my mate my my man my man value right my guy uh yeah of course it launched
it's got nothing to do with stride it's not the stride team is it surely it's not the stride team it's not the stride team it's definitely not the stride team
i think as much as i could give stride and they deserve it uh that decks kind of makes sense
especially when osmosis kind of gave the middle finger to adam and was like yeah we want 500
million for our token if you want to buy us out um it's fine they can put a price on it
uh yeah tower my man value uh my new life goal yeah that's hilarious i think it's funny as fuck
that like uh like i tweeted it and i was like don't fucking touch this thing it's the same
fucking loser from before and then i got gaslit by magma uh being like no it's fine
we'll give people second chances and i was like man not this guy though he has no idea what he's
doing has no idea how to fireworks and then like a week later they're like oh yeah we're just going
to disable single side single-sided lp on astroport because the pool's imbalanced i'm like bro
if you actually touch this shit and knew what the fuck you were doing and talking about you would know not to say that shit publicly where people
can easily screenshot it and call you a fucking idiot uh but here we are uh and to be like to be
fair to magma like he's a cool guy like i give him shit uh and i'll always give him shit and he knows
it but i give him shit because i actually want him to fucking try and be different and i care like i think they're cool guys uh i think they're up
against it but like if i just like oh yeah magma's a nice guy and like give him the easy lane like
he'll be like oh cool like rama's gonna like get off my back and we can just cruise through this
no if i just ride him hard and be like no fuck you try harder then he'll actually try and like there's a chance
a little chance that people will be able to like make a bit of money of like adam and cosmos um
so that's why i like i give him but i care but not and value that guy and they all know i like
your parenting style rama oh like it's yeah i i don't know i got a thing for value like
uh i realized that pretty early on that he was a massive grifter like flying around the world
first class paying himself a good salary talking absolute while like his lps are out of range
uh and then like i showed like talked to don kryptonim about it he's like what the
is this guy doing?
I'm like, just pulled up on-chain stats of like,
throw you out of range and just called him out every week.
Like, go through my timeline of this fucking loser.
It's just like proof that this guy has no idea what he's doing.
And now he's like going on to Babylon and like suck them off
with his fucking snake tongue.
Got funding to launch an Ashport fork when he has no idea what he's doing.
It's guaranteed to fail. Like like there's no chance he succeeds
i mean rama just tell us how you really feel you know
i'm dying over here b-bands b-bands you started this b-bands
i did not. I just shared
things that Rana was talking about. That's all.
Rama has me
super bullish. I'm pushing all my money on that
Dex on the second fucking turn.
Turn the cards, dammit.
I'm pushing all my money on there.
You would think that
as a bare minimum
if you're going to copycat something, you would
be expected
to know how it works.
Yeah.
RedEye, you're a smart guy, right?
Like this isn't even like, hey, we forked Astroport and we don't know how to set PCL
configs.
This is basic like LPing and defy shit, right?
I can create a pool on osmosis right now and
create that pool imbalanced. And forever, that pool will be imbalanced until someone
decides to eat the slippage to make the pool balanced. And the incentives have to be big
enough for me to rebalance it. And they ain't there and pcl makes it really really hard to do that like
concentrated liquidity is one thing because you can actually like buy up the range and the
arbitrage is worth it because you're getting the tokens cheaper but pcl makes it inefficient to do
that so when he's like oh yeah we'll just disable single-sided lp he's like dog that ain't the
answer like you just fucked up like
just admit it and be like oh yeah we made a mistake that's all i was after if he was like
oh we made a mistake uh we'll we'll we'll eat the cost to fix it i probably wouldn't have shit on
him so hard but he just doesn't know he has no idea how this shit works now i i uh will be honest here, I'm not 100% sure how PCL works on AshReport.
Can you actually single-sided provide liquidity or is it more like you provide one side and on the back end it swaps part of that to the other?
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
And my screenshot that I posted was like, when he's like, we'll disable single-. I literally went to like, cause I know how Astroport works.
I went there, I transferred a hundred dollars over and I just went to deposit
a hundred USDC into the really imbalanced pool.
And I just got a slip, like a slippage warning.
And I checked the slippage.
It was like 0.4% or something, which is pretty low.
Right.
But I was like slippage warning.
I was like, dude, if I was just depositing USDC, like you're saying,
I wouldn't get a slippage warning. Cause there's no fucking swap to eat slippage warning i was like dude if i was just depositing usdc like you're saying i wouldn't get a slippage warning because there's no swap to eat slippage like it's so obvious
and then his next tweet when i called him a retard i was like how do you like you can't say you've
got slippage errors or issues when you get the warning when you go to deposit like you're just
making yourself look more retarded that you are because you don't actually understand any of this shit like just stop wait a minute let me get this right slippage
warnings on deposits is that what you've just said is that what i mean and the reason yeah the
reason you get a slippage warning on the deposit is because when you deposit single-sided it's not
a single-sided deposit like it is on concentrated liquidity you're not setting a limit order at that price what you're actually doing is depositing a single asset and then
underneath it the pcl does a swap at the current pool ratio and because there's such little liquidity
based on the deposit amount the the slippage that i eat to convert my 20 of us USDC into Babylon is more than 0.5%.
So I get a slippage one because it has to swap the 20% of USDC
into the Babylon token to make the ratio work
for the single-sided deposit.
Does that make sense?
Oh, we gone fucked up, eh?
You done fucked up, right?
I just want to say I wish I had a cool accent
so I could say the word retarded and not sound retarded myself.
I love the way you say retarded, Rama.
Fuck.
Well, Trump declared you can do it.
Didn't Trump sign an executive order to say you can call your friends?
Yeah, but I'm American, and so when I say retarded,
it still sounds retarded like i
reckon like come come monday if i say that and people know who i actually am i'll probably go to
jail oh they're not clamping down on me yeah rama they're not clamping down on you right what's
happening on monday we got an election on saturday so i've got a question, Rarma. You've been keeping track.
We know that there's gajillions of useless
tokens and coins.
In your estimation,
what have you seen emerge
that looks super,
super bullish,
like something that
people are really going to want?
Any alpha in terms of
projects that are worthwhile right now
um yeah so there's probably two tokens in the entire of crypto that maybe three
actually uh three I don't I can't say three anymore I'll go with two and I'll throw a third
one as like a Hail Mary if you're really interested so I think uh there's this really
old one it's called Bitcoin it's a really good. So I think there's this really old one. It's called Bitcoin.
It's a really good token.
I think you could just buy that over time and then just forget that you own it.
Make sure that's nice and secure.
Put it in a wallet, save a bit for your kids.
That's probably a pretty good one.
The other one, it's like, so I'll go like, you know, store value,
you know, your classic Bitcoin, just buy it.
Pretty good.
The other one, if you want a Ponzi, I love Ponzi's, Hyperliquid.
Those guys, like they get their Twitter hacked, the token price pumps, incredible token.
You just buy it.
And then all of a sudden, like you look at the order books and like their reserve,
whatever it is, they just keep buying their own token back,
like bullish on people who buy their own token.
I don't know how to be completely transparent.
I've got like a small leverage long open from about $17 when their Twitter got hacked.
I shorted it, I lost money and then I flipped it to a long.
Now I'm just writing
i don't know there's money again i don't yeah i don't own it in spot um it's but like they just
keep buying their fucking token and like you can't like you can't be angry at them if they're just
going to keep buying this shit right uh so you know if you want to make some money probably
making sure that shut up zerk making sure that it's really known it's a fucking ponzi but make money
on the ponzi where you can right uh and the third one the hail mary token that i've always had faith
in this one uh the usd token like that one it was previously a really good one like you can just buy
that thing as a as an australian and you're almost guaranteed to like always have like a good store of value a little bit shaky on that one though these days i don't know like you know
there's probably a few different kind of national tokens these days you could probably make a bit of
money on rama he he who he who rama he who owns the gold door is not what trump tweeted out he who
owns the gold makes the rules right
it's coming it's coming soon I think and other people speak because I have my voice is hurting
I think we had a battery of gold standard me it like in some form or another I don't
know if it's gonna happen like within this administration but there must be that there
seems to be some plan for the fact that people are realizing things can't continue the way they are right now.
That's evidently sure.
Anyway, I'll shut up.
Who's got comments?
Come in, people.
You know, I'm dickabullish on Hyperliquid.
I want to give a shout out to the people from RecGang that are actually part of the team on Hyperliquid.
And we got the wait wait wait
zirka zirka sorry to interrupt you i would never do that you know me i don't interrupt people
i forgot i sold my house today to buy a house coin oh yeah what are you doing rama you're always
late to these plays longing hyper liquid at 20 come on man and it was like i was literally sitting in the lounge
room and i went out to get a beer and it was pissing down rain and i was like out the back
like filling up my beer from my keg fridge i was like oh man like i really love my house like it's
pissing down rain i'm pouring a beer and i was like i'd like to check my x-feet it was like
handsome chilling house queen again i was like hang on a minute this is a really nice feed i was like handsome shilling house queen again i was like hang on a minute
this is a really nice house i was like i'm just gonna tell everyone that i sold my house with my
wife and kids in it and bought house coin with it for some engagement just for fun there's like
this random like accounts that were just like liking and commenting and shit i was like
fucking retards please stop um back to showing hyperliquids go ahead
yeah hyperliquidids the shit but you should
check we call the house kind of like five million man i got in i got in only at 20 when ansem started
showing it you know i think it's a great meme by the way uh that being said i think it's close to
the top maybe not maybe not uh but you bought in so i I'm going to be selling everything that I have.
No, I'm messing.
I'll probably hold a moon bag.
For some reason,
for some reason,
Fartcoin has been all over the tail today.
So like people have talked about,
people have talked about Fartcoin from the beginning.
People have talked about Fartcoin,
like it's like the next XRP.
What the fuck is going on, people?
It's been solid.
It's got the same utility as xrp
it's got the same utility as xrp
i can't i can't he's too dry i can't do roma at times me oh he's too dry
do rama retimes me oh he's too dry who's has anybody got fart coin is anybody actually got
a wedge a fart coin a wedge
zerk or else i believe zerk are you in the fart coin oh yeah but i'm not spot i tried leveraging
that as well like rama i got pretty wrecked shorting it on hyper liquid shout out uh so that's the problem
man like you can't you can't leverage fart coin you just got a nice bag of it put the nice bag
in the reserve seal it up keep it airtight and then you're good to go yeah you can't don't play
with the dgen coins these coins are so like they are the most heavily manipulated coins but so are you know
everybody else's coin that being said fart coin uh has just been performing so well so why not
hold a bag of it and hype as well rhymer said they just keep buying it back it's so good and
the twitter account did get hacked that being said, I felt like they deleted that post within the hour.
That was pretty good from them.
Everybody gets hacked eventually.
I speak from experience here.
Can I bring it back to Sefi?
Sefi asked me some very serious questions about my biggest bullish tokens.
Sefi, it's been a long time, mate.
Good to see you. Good to see you.
Good to see you still around,
looking after our senior citizens.
What are your most bullish tokens?
Let's see.
Well, the second largest proof of work.
So I just, my biggest bag is pretty much
in simple doge at this point
for proof of work
only because like if BTC goes up
doge will go up even more
and that's all you have to know
and really that simple
everything else like the problem is like
everything trends to
like trend to lack of attention
and I think that's the biggest problem
in in for most coins today people just get bored of shit and then they just walk away
so you have to have like some degree of like hardcore folks uh and the more hardcore folks
you could find the more likely it'll like something can at least maintain a store of value function
the more likely something can at least maintain a store of value function.
So I'm just stuck with that.
But yeah, I was curious what was happening to you, Ramon.
I don't know if you've been following.
What's happened with, what's his name, Sonny and Osmosis?
It seems like there's some announcements recently,
and I guess they're doing some sort of new project involving Bitcoin or something.
I'm not sure I follow what they're doing exactly.
Have you been keeping track of that?
Zerk, do you want to jump in?
Yeah, I can jump in.
I mean, Polaris is what they're building.
It's basically a platform to swap all tokens from all chains.
Bitcoin to Cosmos.
Not sure who wants to do that, but Bitcoin to Solana,
Bitcoin to ETH, Solana to Cosmos or Cosmos to ETH, whatever you want to swap. They're going to be
integrating, I think, Sui as well, Hyperliquid, all the chains basically under one roof. The UI US is super clean. You can try it out right now. And yeah, it's kind of a DEX,
route, bridge, whatever you want to say, aggregator of everything under one roof.
And they're building it. That being said, people are still unsure on how that captures value for
the OSMO token, because they're not charging any fees right now on top
they're using existing routes you know they're actually using existing
centralized exchanges as well for some of the swaps so it's pretty cool that
they have kind of like this mixed model of using you know things like Axel are
IBC but also using Rango exchange, Jupiter on Solana, all of those, you know, routes that are cheapest and most cost efficient, they will be integrated within Polaris. And they're hoping that this becomes kind of like, you know, your app for bridging or swapping from any chain to any chain.
So, eventually, I think, you know, if they succeed, right, because they announced that at Solana Breakpoint, it's more of a Solana app, if you want to, or, you know, more of a general crypto purpose app than a Cosmos app.
And they want to grab the attention, I think, with that app, and they want as many users as possible.
And perhaps in the future, well, you know, people will understand, oh, this is from the founders of Osmosis.
But this thing is somehow this thing is somehow decentralized with all this.
It seems like just like a centralized, you know, trading platform of some kind.
No, well, it uses existing routes like, you know, kind of is one inch decentralized.
I would think so. Right.
I agree with you. The front end is centralized. Right.
Like, you know, this is
kind of using the front end and then the back end, it's using existing routes, but I don't know,
it won't have its token. So again, maybe you have a point there, but who cares about
decentralization at this point? You want people to use something that they're actually going to be using. So they're going to be using this because I want to buy shit coins on Sui or I want to buy shit coins on Hyper EVM, whenever that pops up.
So in a sense, this is going to help that.
Like, where do you go right now to bridge from Cosmos to, I don't know, Solana or whatever, right?
Like you usually use either a SACS, Exchange Now, Solana or whatever, right? Like you usually use either a sex exchange now change now or whatever other
platform exists.
Skip doesn't provide that route or sometimes it, you know,
it has a few, but it doesn't have all of them.
So that's kind of the purpose of this is just providing a service to users,
something that people are going to be playing
with.
And eventually they'll integrate, in my mind, some fees or something to make it, you know,
to make it profitable.
And perhaps with the fees, they'll be buying Osmo tokens.
That is me speculating here.
But at least it will be using the Osmo liquidity pools if ever you want to buy.
I don't know.
What's the most
popular cosmos token akash i think is the only one that's performing well right now
so if you want to buy oh yeah i woke up i woke up this morning it was up like 20 or something right
akash is always doing well it's a good tech right good adoption like a real serious project so if
you're on salami the cash is always doing
well when the token goes up but no one talks about it when it drops 80 it's hey man hey man
hey hey hey hey hey wait a minute you can fuck other people's bags but that's gonna go mad i've got gonna go mad on rama here don't
don't shit talk when scott's the road let me be clear i love akash i love greg i think he's one
of the like the most straight shooter like cosmos founders that exist like and i mean that in like
he's from texas now type of way like everyone loves akash when the token goes up because i
think it's a good story for cosmos but like as it's trending down from like its highs it doesn't exist which is also great because no
one really fuds it when it goes down but like anytime it has a pump everyone's like fuck yeah
a cash let's go it's decentralized compute it's the future which is what you need when like it's
on its way up to like invigorate more people to buy it. And you don't want people funding it when it's going down, which is what a cash has, which is good.
You know, I don't think there's anybody out
that broadcasts in this space
that is stuck to their guns the way that I have.
Up or down, the projects I like, I continue to support.
Shit goes down, shit goes down.
Man, it's crypto, it's madness.
We all know how it works out here.
I've been saying for years, man, token go up, tech good, token go down, tech bad, period.
That's it.
Crypto is very, very binary as far as this because nobody's really here to use it.
They're only here to make money on it.
So we actually use it.
We actually use a cash.
That's our compute layer for our SIGIA app.
We use Jackal for our storage layer. for our sigia app we use jackal for
our storage layer but i i gotta say it man i have been very very consistent on the things that i
support and the things that i don't up or down i have to and it's the bitch of it i don't get paid
to talk about any of these things dude so when it goes down I have to take all the shit as if I had anything to do with it.
So all of the negativity and all the hate and all that shit, look at the comments I get, man.
So I have to eat it when that thing's going down. And it's not like me and Greg talk. It's not like
I, it's not like me and Patrick are having daily conversations or something like that.
But I've been very, very consistent on those things. things now the ones that i don't like yeah i bash the ever-loving shit out of them but they have it
coming so i think rama can read dope that was my mistake i fat fingered i'm sorry scott i fat
fingered an emoji sorry sorry brother i fat fingered okay well now i feel bad dude i was
doing a really good rant and you fucking cut me off
no you you basically saying like you love a cash you love jackal and you should talk everything
else is what you were basically saying no i need them i do they're part of our product
all right we cannot exist to build what we built without a cash and without jackal we can't it
would not work it wouldn't be the same thing but you ain't gonna
get any support for any of these things up there man brahma is exactly right all right token go up
everybody loves it token go down uh you know you should have been smart like me and sold even though
nobody ever fucking does it's funny how they always post all that shit but they never show
wallet transactions they never actually show them doing it. And everybody that bought it just the right time.
It's like, okay, can you show that to me?
Wow.
Color me shocked.
He's right.
Well, we're getting audience questions in now.
Martinez, another mad scientist.
So I thought Zerga had light back up.
Martinez came up, but he's reconnecting.
He's got a problem, I think.
Rama, we've got a question in the comments.
It says, are you ever satisfied with anything in crypto?
That's a very good question.
Are you taking your time? He's taking a runoff i was trying to i was
trying to phrase it in a way where i was being nice i think i asked the same question or earlier
by the way and he said pretty much bitcoin and some other nonsense yeah like basically the answer
is no yeah and the the reason's not necessarily like it's part the people but it's also part like
no one's built anything that like makes me want to come back to crypto right like i have money
in crypto because i am not overly confident in my government or banks that i want to put all of my
eggs there right so i have money in crypto as a way that I'm protecting or shielding myself and my family
from the government.
But in terms of using stuff, there's very little reason to go and do things in crypto
outside of trying to make more money than I have currently by using stuff, right? Like an issue launched the
other day and I was like, I was looking around and I transferred some stable coins there to like
farm points to try and make money to get tokens, to then sell the tokens and earn more USDC than I
had without getting exposure to buying tokens that will go down right uh which is that's my prerogative
I can do that they're offering it I'm gonna do it I also farmed the initia token on day one
didn't make heaps of money but like made a little bit of money uh just from like liquidity pools
right uh if people were gonna offer me tokens by providing them liquidity even if it takes me a
month or a few weeks to do it,
and there's little to no risk in doing so, then why wouldn't I, when my option is to take it to
my bank, pay tax on it, pay off whatever bills or homeline I have, and then go, cool, my house price
just dropped three, $400,000 because the government are fucking idiots. And then all of that money
disappeared. Why wouldn't I keep that in crypto
and hedge against whatever currency I currently live in,
own Bitcoin, whatever,
and keep that as like a side hustle
that I don't pay tax on
and I'll never pay tax on
because I'm not going to take it to the bank.
And sure, I might go to jail for that
if anyone was able to find out,
but hey, good luck.
Short answer, I don't think anyone's building anything that's like overly useful.
I'm in Rama.
Are your expectations too high for this?
Like I always say there's not that many use cases for crypto.
There's not that many things.
I mean, people want to change the world with one technology.
It's one thing.
It's okay, cool.
You can transfer money in a permissionless fashion.
You can store some value.
Government can't touch it.
You can gamble on some shit coins.
99% of my friends are too fucking dumb to own their own wallet.
I can't pay them in crypto, man.
You want to start killing people or building a house?
That's not what it does.
Not sure like what you expect new or revolutionary from this space.
There are some improvements.
Yes.
One time I had a token and then from that token I was able to get a picture.
I thought that was pretty cool.
Well, wait a minute.
I just sent you a link and message it i just dmd
a link bro click on it see if you can figure it right we've got new speakers we've got new speakers
so i'll tell you what rama when he when zirka said like building a house he triggered me a little bit
because i heard a rumor last week or maybe the week before now there's been a lot of conversations About mantra
Chain and what have you
And RWA's
Somebody told me last week
That they have actually
Done an RWA
And Tank and I had quite the debate
Last week about this
Red eyes laughing
Someone said to me
Wait wait what the fuck I didn't debate you about shit
hold the fuck on i didn't debate you about shit all i said was it could have been a process
in what rwa transactions or the process would be like in the future you motherfuckers are trying
to fucking say some shit we're trying to blow up your timeline a little bit here.
I got people,
I got people over there.
Well,
if I sent a transaction saying in a memo that you owe me a million dollars,
does that make it fucking?
I was like,
get the fuck out of here with that shit.
Rama.
I'm hearing stories that I can create a token factory coin and on the creation and the memo field,
I can put an address and i can tokenize
a building is that what i'm hearing rama or i'm on pcp it sounds like we might have the same little
same little friend uh who had similar conversations uh and had quite the giggle over the same thing I think that it's a very interesting way for a team whose token just blew up to front like they were doing things that involve RWAs and physical locations. to put shit in a memo that links to physical geographic locations
that Google Maps can let you zoom in on
and know exactly where that fucking thing is.
Like maybe put a contract ID that's not physically identifiable.
Don't put like addresses that you can just copy paste
into a fucking map for your RWA.
So I think that there may have been intentions of trying to
do things that represent rwas and there's probably some form of legal representation
the approach i think shows exactly why the token did what it did if that makes sense i mean i mean you know obviously the person that
would do that kind of stupid thing hypothetically isn't the kind of person whose uh github genesis
repo wouldn't match what actually happened on chain at the tge in the genesis right
okay talked about this too i've got dms asking why uh why there's
uh why there's discrepancies i've got a large list of wallets saying uh as an example uh i'm happy
to read it verbatim um explain this to me if you will because on chain i see movements across
wallets most wallets that i expect to be having invested is that the ones you're referring to would it be team seed bucket and precede right it's like
the top 10 wallets from the genesis file uh minute and a half conversation uh and i was like what
you said i understand it was blah blah blah bullshit founder stuff not sure i agree with
it because they're talking about third-party investing off-chain type stuff so happy if you
respond to each of these wallets and just copy-pasted
them all with the amounts.
And then another minute and a half-minute conversation
from the other person, you can guess who it is around,
yeah, we'll get back to you and we'll explain to you each
of the wallets.
That was on April 22nd.
Haven't heard a thing back.
So in particular, this one, i was pretty adamant at the time that
shit exploded why it exploded how it exploded didn't say the foundation did it but i did tweet
from coffeezilla's movie movie uh youtube video uh pretty, the guy fucking explained exactly what happened and what they
were doing to prop up the token and why it got to where it did. And then it exploded.
If you want to try and, you know, make things better, the way you're approaching it isn't
good. And now it's just fucking silence. Like, you know, the tokens just bleeding to death.
Like I said, it would, at the end of the day, they can try as much isn't good. And now it's just fucking silence. Like, you know, the token's just bleeding to death. Like I said, it would.
At the end of the day, they can try as much as they want
and any founder can.
But as soon as the token explodes like it has,
consumer confidence is gone.
And that's the only thing that matters in anything,
not just crypto.
Consumer confidence is key.
If you lose consumer confidence,
your product, your company is dead.
Right, we've got a hand up and then we'll go. I want to welcome the new people. We've got Brian and then Bella.
But five on it. Go on, mate. You've got the mic, yeah?
There's a lot of really smart people talking about RWAs in here, but we've seen in the last bull run that adiq is what makes the number go up and what we
really need to do with this apartment is tokenize all the smart objects in the house the thermostat
every outlet or the wise cameras whatever and we make all of our devs and and maybe a couple
influencers live in it but we get to control all these objects
and uh on would be six dollars again just saying you know do you know back in 2022 when me and b band started this show we did intend to be like fairly serious i mean that went out the window
fairly quick didn't it uh but never mind let's go over and welcome our esteemed friendly neighborhood benefactor.
Hello, Brian, mate. You've walked into a right wasp's nest today, apparently.
Yeah, yeah, let him cook. I'm good, I'm good.
Now, dude, that idea is phenomenal.
Every smart device, tokenize every smart device, that's a phenomenal idea.
It's like paper play, paper, like entry, paper, like like, and then if you, if you let them like feed your data, like you can let them feed the data and all of the requests and all of the data, then you get that token for that. Phenomenal idea.
Oh, I could see this for something like Mr. Beast games or something like that. You let your viewers, uh, you know, if they pay to join, you know, JP's not in dev mode with his hoodie on i have the
thermostat set to 65. yeah i was gonna say like a dev wakes up and it's like 110 degrees and
that means the users are pissed or something
directly correlated the amount of support tickets you received in the past six hours
yeah i'm dying are you you you you you lot are right bunch of
wrong and on is a right bunch of Romans. Good morning, Bella. I
mean, have you come in for back up? Because you heard like
that. And was she talking to cash or what?
Oh, I that I didn't come in for but okay, the idea of tokenizing
every smart device in your house hey that's one area scott
finally wouldn't win our friend kizmiaski would actually win that one because he's a tech core and
every freaking thing in his tokenizing every smart device that's kind of cool
but if you really want to appease mr dark side of crypto and bella how about we tokenize every
single nip of whiskey in everyone's house you in i'm down right there man you betcha i i will i
will absolutely support that token babe yup i mean i'm i'm down for that between what's at my
house and at scott's house oh yeah we got this i really miss betting on hamsters i'd just be cool if y'all put on armor
and beat the out of people dude dude i found out i only found out the other week about the uh
texas uh chicken bingo lottery that you play in the back of the bar so i was telling b-bans in
there red eye about yeah man that's in austin that's fun as is that uh is that real is that a real thing that you do down
i how bored are you down there like are you talking about bingo yeah no no it's a certain
bar that does it but uh titty bingo is also pretty awesome what's wait a minute i've never heard a
titty bingo what's this fill me in what's titty bingo no you want to feel out of the bra that's the whole point of
titty bingo yeah i don't a minute i kind of understand how titty bingo works oh he's eric
okay okay i'm seeing eric is in chat now this sounds like an eric question what titty bingo
i've never heard it wait a minute i've heard if i've heard of chicken shit bingo and i haven't heard of titty bingo there's something lacking in my life right now i need to
figure out what's going on people can someone five on it you've got right five on it what's
titty because i know the chicken bingo where they put the chicken in the cage and he walks around
and whichever square he's on that's who wins the money it's like a sweepstake
what's titty bingo fill me in bro i feel like i'm missing out here
he's gone quiet i bet you governor abbott's been on the phone like didn't talk about if i had
if i had to guess you would uh attribute uh you know the general bra sizes a through whatever i think e to b-i-n-g-o and then uh
yeah you just have random people uh volunteer to uh give up their bra sizes and then that you call
that out and that's the that's the number yeah i'd be worried about your level of bra knowledge there
because you knew like every size you knew the start and the finish what can be ban should we be
worried here about or what red eye i don't know i might be a closet he might be he seems taking off a lot of bras
one-handed or what you've got to do it's going to be one-handed right
well to be honest i i probably have only tried that a few times i'm not trying to like uh you
know do something like kick flip inside the
bedroom don't worry don't worry padawan we will we will get you there all right padawan
wait a minute i have to ask if anyone wants to pivot it's going to be tank tank no pivots no
because we've been talking about a lot tonight it's everyone's enjoying themselves everyone's
engaged any pivots right we're
going to open up the room who's got a pivot anybody before we start like we've filled
the nest up with loads of shit beybans want to say anything before we uh start pivoting
i see eric came in here gmgm sir, Eric. It's nice to have you back on the show, mate.
The last interview was an absolute fucking banger.
Great interview, by the way, Eric.
How are you doing, son? Do you know about Titty Bingo or what?
Yeah, whenever anyone says Titty Bingo,
I get an alert to my phone and I immediately hop up.
That was pretty obvious.
Like an Amber Alert or something, is it?
It's like saying Beetlejuice
three times for Eric.
He just shows up. Titty Bingo?
And there he is.
We definitely said Titty Bingo more than
three times. Yeah, that qualifies.
I was going to tell Scott and Bella that if you need more
liquidity on your whiskey tokens,
they can always add some Diet Coke to it.
Eric, I'll say... Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Hang on, hang on.
Hang on.
Yeah, I'm with Bella on this.
Very controversial here, Eric.
Explain yourself immediately.
Or I'll explain it.
Which way you want to go here, Eric?
Go for it, Scott. We're out in Tennessee go here, Eric? Go for it, Scott.
We're out in Tennessee.
Nope, nope, nope.
Start it right, Scott.
Start it right.
No shit. There I was.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
We went out to the Jack Daniels
Distillery, man, and I bought a
few bottles of
the Sinatra. That's like $150
a bottle. It's worth every cent.
Eric comes out to visit us.
I pour him a glass.
You know, a decent, what you
would expect in a bourbon glass. He immediately
goes to the fridge, grabs a Diet Coke
and fills it up the rest of the way.
I'm like, that's $150 a bottled
bourbon, dude. You don't mix that shit.
But he sure as hell did, man.
What a goddamn peasant, dude.
Meanwhile, my son is standing there going, no.
He just turned 21 and that traumatized him.
You haven't got a 21-year-old, Bella.
Shut up, man.
No chance, have you?
No shit, I do. Do you? Oh, I'm surprised at that, Mike. No chance, have ya? No shit, I do.
Do ya? Oh, I'm surprised at that,
mate. I didn't have any.
Robo's got a crush, fella, so just
be careful, okay, girl?
Shut up, you bitch face.
Fucking B-Bans bitch face.
That's alright.
I'm armed anywhere I go, between
knives and swords and, yeah,
shooty things. I'm good. Hey, man, I might and yeah Shooty things I'm good
Hey man I might live in Bangkok
But I'm not fucking Asian what you're talking about
I'm not gonna fucking rob you or something
Like ninja stars or nothing
Seven samurai over there
Go ahead Robbo
Robbo you misunderstood her
You misunderstood her
That's her kink
So just chill out, bro.
Now we're talking.
Now we're talking.
Ninja stars are,
yeah, those are too easy to
throw. I mean, anyone can stick those.
So, yeah, no, I don't own
any.
Have you seen me big knife or not? I've got a
massive knife.
Whoa, it's a recorded space
no but i i have those on the videos it's on twitter what are you talking about me big
knives on twitter anyway are knives like guns for people without freedom i do do you know what
nice to like yes they are hey i didn't know about you lot uh would you say like well i mean a lot
knives are like people yes they are
of years are in like north america uh crypto i mean and obviously rom is in australia down there
uh crypto rules uh tightening or loosening uh i've just got to notice that they're like they're basically
switching off like all that p2p stuff with uh binance with thai bart and stuff you've got to be
through only binance th like regulated uh they've issued like royal decrees over here it looks like
they're starting to have a crypto crackdown in thailand right now anybody else feeling the pain
anywhere in the world or are you americans loving it it right now fucking eric eric trump's about to talk at the
conference isn't he well i mean outside of explicit uh an explicit crackdown on like
from a particular country like i guess i'm kind of concerned about what's going on in europe with
micro regulations like i've got quite a few friends who are highly concerned about uh the
capital they have in crypto right now being a flag with low aml scores just purely because of uh
dexes that they're interacting with or they have a business, like let's say they're doing a market making business and they're
doing arbitrage
and market making between various things and then
one of these DEXs gets hit with a
hack or something and now
any of these, there's a
good chance that users who continue
using it might be flagged
for suspicious activity
or blah blah blah.
It definitely sucks for
thailand if they're cracking down on your ability to even do like p2p transfers but um i know quite
a few people are looking to get the out of europe right now uh so they can continue uh trading and
making money in crypto or losing money in crypto is that is that big it's not based on like eu-wide rules
or is it on individual european countries no eu-wide
is it's make a eu or is that just uk
what's up brian mate as far as i understand it's a it's eu-wide yeah so the weird thing that i'm hearing is that um the cbdc is
going to be by country so i know multiple countries that have already started building
like in the eu so i i think it'll end up being like poking by country because i don't think it's
going to be completely like euro kind of like a euro c from circle or whatever i think country
by country they're gonna want to
control it and so then they're gonna want to deploy it on that basis because i know multiple
countries in the eu currently building right now that's what they did in thailand so brian you were
you there when i was talking about how like much of a flop the digital wallets been in thailand
where the government gave like a stimulus handout basically everybody just went and cashed it out immediately so like they gave all of like the poorest people like people who weren't under
like 10 000 baht or whatever it is they gave them like this digital wallet like handout right
and every there was queues outside the government savings bank so they give them a digital wallet
and thought they were going to like have this digital Thai bot right leading towards so they're trying to do it in three steps they're trying to do the
stimulus thing where you can pay for certain things with this right uh things like student
fees etc uh semester fees and then they were going to move to the TAT bot right so the TAT is the
tourism authority of Thailand was their next stage that
we're going to go to and then the next stage was for full-on central bank digital currency and it
seems to be at the moment that it's just been like massively rejected across the board like everybody
you got 10k just went and dumped it and got the money the easiest way of the code uh scott mate
and got the money the easiest way they could uh scott mate yeah
yeah i just got yeah yeah i just got sent a link and i just realized what just happened here uh it
was a bunch of mp3 songs that they that they saved up there on jackal and sent me a link to the folder
so i have access to every single thing in there i can play the
songs i can download the songs i can do anything with those songs they just reinvented uh what was
the uh that one that that uh blew that guy up not was it it wasn't napster was it napster
fine wire sean parker you talk about sean yeah yeah yeah it's back. Just like that, man.
Because the files themselves
are decentralized. They're hosted on decentralized
protocols. On a protocol,
they don't have a name attached to them
because this is the way it works over there
on Jackal. And he just sent me like
35 songs. So I could play.
I know that's not a big deal anymore.
You know, I mean, just go to YouTube.
But the fact
that this can never ever be stopped as opposed to where napster was actually blown up uh they
just reinvented it i didn't even know it could do that i didn't know you could share folders
so decentralized man i'm sorry this is the way all right there's nothing that anybody could do
to stop anything that's happening over
there and i think it's fucking amazing just wanted to point that out i've lived my life on fucking
torrents and fucking dodgy downloads me i've absolutely literally like lime wire was probably
like my greatest friend when i was backpacking i like how much like shit have i just got for free
like i've got like 600 700 movies like never paid for one
like i've got probably like what about 1200 1400 songs never paid for one like do it so this is
like you're talking like this is a web 3 version or what are they just like no what if i get a whole
bunch of porn old porn videos and i upload them to it so that people can have access to it because you
know they're cracking that down here in uh in the united states tennessee you can't even look up
porn hub anymore you gotta get your porn somewhere else there's no porn industry that's what i go
back to the street there's nothing there's nothing anybody can do to stop you in this jackal doesn't
know what you're uploading they don't give a shit uh as long as it's you you know where i'm going with that man you put up a murder video and you post
it publicly the fbi is going to come knocking but uh if it's anything that's like morally
acceptable to society as a whole they ain't gonna bust your balls and there's no name on a kepler
wallet so literally they don't know who is doing it. They'll know that it's a wallet, but they won't know that it's... Oh, I'm just talking midget stuff, dude.
I'm into midget stuff, so I'll get that.
If you upload it, share the file.
It belongs to the world now.
Yeah, you're denying that you post your feet on OnlyFans, Tank.
I mean, come on.
Not denying, nor am I denying.
I did want to talk about the OnlyFans numbers,
because I sent B-Bands and Red Eye a tweet the other day
where I was like, these numbers are shocking.
But let's go to Eric first before we talk about OnlyFans.
Eric, mate?
One, yeah, I love the idea of perpetual shorts in that capacity on Jackal.
But yeah, you could put porn, nuclear codes, all that kind of stuff on there.
Two, more along my interests, I got a blessing from my pastor yesterday to start working with the church I go to to start getting more of their sermons, as well as like different versions of the Bible uploaded publicly there.
So that like as like digital censorship and stuff comes out, there's, you know, irrefutable.
Like a lot of people are like, hey, you need to have a physical Bible for when the stuff changes.
I'm like, no, there's actually decentralized ownership of stuff where it's no
longer changeable so gonna do that gonna work on getting like church services actually like
live stream the passage and whatnot where people can show up so i'll do what i want with it eric
wasn't that the wasn't that the original uh sort of mission statement of the guttenberg project
though right so the gutten so the Gutenberg project started this
like a while ago but obviously it is web 2 it is exposed to like a censorship for example right
I mean red I would talk about this the other way the Gutenberg project I think there's like like
a hundred thousand texts or something online now I don't know I'll look it up oh I'm at the
Gutenberg project I've been a big proponent of for a while
i mean it did get a little bit woke for one of a better word but here's the one for you guys uh
they did the math and it was quite interesting math that they did as well right on the only
fan stuff and how they basically got to the number of like what percentage of OnlyFans are married
white men it was a really interesting synopsis on the whole numbers did you guys know that
10% of all American women right aged 18 to 24 so this is only women aged 18 to 24 yeah at 10% of women
aged 18 to 24 in America are on OnlyFans that that's a big number isn't it it's not a big
number no is that dude that's insane oh mate it got worse the numbers the combination of the numbers got worse
where they did like they filtered it down through like white men and then married men and they did
all this number crunching on the census and i was like they were like okay so 68 percent
of only fans viewers right just for everybody to know this, obviously, you know, you're taking away
half the population when you discount women, 68% of OnlyFans subscribers, sorry, are white,
married men, and I was just like, that's insane, that number's like, just doesn't sound like right,
but the math absolutely killed it and i was
like jesus christ five on it mate go on mate you retards deserve to go extinct
airdrop hunters am i right
i mean you know you're an incel you're an only fan subscriber and you're trying to teach me on
on how like how the economy should work or how trump should behave go and yourself
you daft like these people man honestly so retarded man oh i don't even want to talk about it
Oh, I don't even want to talk about it.
incels make me sick
Incels make me sick.
I don't know why people are doing all that OnlyFans stuff.
I'm so self-conscious.
I wouldn't want my Badoosie to be out there for everyone to see, you know?
And I'd be like, oh, man, that's ugly Badoosie, you know?
And I'm like, aw, you know?
You know what exposure therapy is, right,, you know, I don't know.
Exposure therapy is right, B-Bands?
No, no.
It's basically like, imagine you're afraid of something, right?
Let's say it's heights or spiders.
Exposure therapy is going to continually put you around spiders
so that you get used to being right, like confronting your fear.
used to uh being like confronting your fear so maybe one of the ways for you to uh
improve your uh self-image is to yeah you know uh
put yourself out there on the internet naked
you know those would be the he's like grooming D-bands here
I know I literally felt like he's about to like
Ask me if I need a pimp now
He's like hey listen I can run your page for you baby
I'd be
I'd be selling me pictures
I'd be selling me pictures for a bacon sandwich
Five dollars in last week's fucking
Washington Post mate I wouldn't be giving a fuck
As long as the money was coming in I'd be like
Alright
That's a a premium price that's like top tier only fans prices right there all right just
relax a little okay i'm cashing checks are all i'd be cashing checks me bro i'll be cashing checks
all i'll be postal orders and everything dude two pound 50. smile for radio right there brother
yeah i'm i'm agreeing with Rarma here.
I mean, you're...
No, no, no, no, no.
You've got to tier this better, dude.
Have you seen how much we start with Finn's music before,
what you're talking about?
Have you seen how much Finn's music is?
Robo might not tell us that he starts in OnlyFans, but there will be hints.
So, like, next time he posts a picture with, like, a, you know, half-kilo gold Buddha on his neck,
we'll have an idea of what he's doing.
I mean, there must be an element of men, a little bit, an element of jealousy.
It's like, you're going to earn three million a year on OnlyFans.
And to yourself in your head, you're like, fucking cunt.
I wish I could.
Well, you could chop your dick off, Robo.
Get yourself a nice synthetic vagina.
No, I might have the Chinese.
I might have the Chinese try to harvest me organs then.
Well, actually, that's a good idea.
Sell your dick to the Chinese and then use those profits to invest in a vagina.
And then, you and then roll that
back into maybe a new pair
of tits. I'm laughing my
ass off because Eric comes up here
and he's like, so I just
can't wait to put the Lord's stuff up on Jackal.
And all of us
went right back into the cutter.
We're like,
Eric, we're going to show you how much we need Jesus
Eric
and this is a recorded
space man so it's pretty
yeah proof that yeah
we need more Jesus
well Eric this is an interesting
one I've met with
the bishop you know here in bangkok because
we do have a very small uh catholic uh community here we go here we go no well i didn't want i
didn't want to interrupt you when he was talking about the lord and his prayers and going to church
on sundays but i was like hearing this from robber of all people I was like, all right, I'm happy to listen to it.
Hear him out.
Come on, Robert, talk to us.
Come on.
So I met with a bishop the other week.
I actually started out by emailing several, actually.
And then I got an appointment with one
and I'm being excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
I want to be...
He wants his soul back.
He wants his soul back.
You're in my contract with my soul.
We're good, guys.
That's why he's doing this.
You're going to have to fucking work hard, man, like out of anyone.
Well, yeah.
I mean, if you want your soul back, you need to kill off the redhead who stole
it in the first place i mean come on so i never asked for this you know it was thrust on me and
then i only found out you know recently that it's a contract uh and i actually found out this like... And I put the address in the memo.
The Vatican.
One of the soul, please.
One of the soul.
You gotta pay the soul toll.
To get into that
boy's hole.
So it would be kind of random though me get next communicated no wouldn't it be funny
though like there would be a backstory to this like i'm i need it in my life like like it's
like literally i can't die until his contract is broken you broke your mom's heart right now man
she's she's worried because you're making all the contract she's like uh oh She's got a rosary bead
She's praying and shit
What is your favorite word?
Sorry I was pretending to be Jacob
Rob I'm just picturing you know you
Something happening to you and you've got a DNR
And you're like fuck this I don't want to be revived Just send me back and like you know you wake up and then the pope is right above you
it's like not today robo i still have some more time on your contact when we go back to church
but i i've been i think i was baptized as like catholic or something uh back in the day like
when you're a kid when you don't have a choice right like you know your parents did it because
it was like the thing you did back in like the late uh late 80s
early 90s everyone got baptized blah blah never went to church never believed in it always like
atheists don't care about god but like as i get older and i see what's happening in the world i'm
kind of like i i not the god thing like you know you can believe in god if you want to that's fine
i'm happy with that whatever god it is right if you want to, that's fine. I'm happy with that. Whatever God it is, right? If you want to choose a God, that's cool with me.
But what I do agree with is that people who have a belief in something, they have principles and
they have standards and they have something that they stand by and they very rarely sway from that thing uh and that's why you get like such long
periods of culture that doesn't really shift too much right when you have a lot of people
like i am i'm an atheist i don't i don't believe in god and you know jesus and all that stuff
you can very easily sway and move your beliefs without having, because you don't have something that like you have as part of your core that
you hold onto. Right. So as someone who is atheist,
I kind of tend to lean towards like lately,
now I've got kids lean towards more people,
people that are Catholic or Christian, because it's like,
you believe in something in those principles that you believe in.
I also agree with and believe in not the Jesus part, but like the the principles part of it and the the you know
the husband and wife and the family side of it i agree with and i believe in so i i lean towards
more that side of it then like the other side and the other options you have so rama rama cannot
right okay you've hit the nail on the head, and this is what I've been saying, and Red Eye will back me up here in Bay Bands.
I've been saying this for weeks now, a month, in fact, right?
So, Rama, I think what you're talking about, essentially, is spirituality, right?
Like, I've been, I've been, I was christened a Roman Catholic,
but obviously my mother's a catholic
but my father's atheist so i've always like sided with me father i've never been interested in the
catholic church i didn't want to go to church i just was having to be christened and had to go to
communion right as i've got older as things have happened as i've realized how like i've had like
shreds of luck by like the magic of some like random power
and i'm thinking do you know what there might actually be like a bigger thing than us like
out there and so i've i've come to accept rama especially over the last two to three years
particularly i've become very spiritual but on the other hand i don't need anyone on earth to tell me how i
should talk to my god or whatever spiritual body i think's up there or do you know what i mean if
i do think my grandma's in heaven i can talk to her myself i don't need you know a building a
priest a doctrine to tell me to do that but rama you bang on the money the older i'm getting
and obviously buddhism is having a big effect on me the older i'm getting the more spiritual
i am becoming now we've got two hands up uh i'll tell you what we'll go to eric quickly and then
we'll go to sefi eric go on mate yeah um yeah i appreciate the guys takes i'm curious from an
atheist atheistic perspective where you base your sense of morality from um like why you agree why you think it matters i'll take that one quickly eric uh so
i'm a big believer and have been for many many years that i believe on earth uh we are in a
continual battle for good and evil and i believe that i don't want to bring a religion. What is good? What is evil?
Well, the behavior that we see of human beings, I mean, us now on here on the space having this bit of crack, I would say is good. Like for humanity, for everybody that's listening, that's enjoying it. Right.
Bad will be going out there, killing, raping, stealing, infringing on someone's personal rights.
Me and Red Eye had a massive conversation last week about what it means
to be a true libertarian and how we value over everything right for a true libertarian there
must be personal responsibility and then some form of civic duty to follow that up you can't be just
a leech on humanity right you have to be able to give something back but you also have to take care of yourself like you have to you have to have that personal responsibility and
that comes in many many forms but for me eric there is just a distinct line between people who
are good and who just do good things and who live their life like good people and then there are
people who are evil and they'll be inherently evil forever now you can have good people do bad
things but they're not evil but evil people will never like do good things unless they're trying
to pretend so i'm a big believer the whole the whole problem with this is that it assumes that
there is some kind of good and bad and so nietzsche writes in on the genealogy of morality that the
problem with atheism in the world right now is that atheists still think that they can do good based in good and evil from Matthew 5 in Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
And so he doesn't actually posit what a new type of evolutionary good should be if you want to believe in a life outside of a God.
But he says it should be something that proposes helping evolution.
It should be something that strengthens the strong and helps the elite off the backs of everybody else because the whole goal should be some kind of evolution. It doesn't really make sense. He's trying to avoid the
nihilistic conclusion. It doesn't work. But the whole notion that like, oh, atheists can be good
people. I agree because I agree that good and evil should be like coming from Jesus's sermon
on the mount. However, if you don't have a basis of morality From Jesus, because you don't think that Jesus
Either existed or was God
Then it's really a moot point
Dude, have you got the IFPS link?
I'll let Sethi jump in because he's been patient
But I was just going to piggyback off
The more atheist side of things
So I think Sethi might have something more valuable to add
I think there's a couple of objective realities.
If you look at it from just a secular standpoint,
I think the atheists and the secularists
wish they had something to believe in.
There's this hint that everyone wishes that there's a reason,
like, oh, we're going to be building pyramids again.
They're going to last 1,000 years.
We're going to build cathedrals that last a thousand years.
You walk through Europe or Egypt or what have you,
and you go, wait a minute, what kind of fuckery had to go on here
for them to build something that took longer than their lifetime to build
and passed on for hundreds of years, if not thousands of years?
I think so there's a kind of envy that the average atheist
and the average secularist has that no matter what
they believe in, whether it's astrophysics or whatever, there's only a few of these
things that the general public can also latch onto and carry forward.
I think an objective area where you have to wonder if, number one, sentience generally, consciousness and sentience, if it is a great filter and will end us all.
Because the more sentient, the more knowledgeable, the smarter, the wealthier, the more prosperous resources that we have, we become more materialistic.
And what that results in is your children become
just a number on a balance sheet. So what I mean by that is, okay, if I have one child, oh, they
were healthy. Okay. I'm having fun having a child. The second one, okay, maybe it'll give the other
child that you have a companion. But by the time you get to a third child, you're basically gambling.
You're gambling with maybe your wife's life. You're gambling with maybe the possibility that you
have a child that is not healthy or whatever. And basically what happens is materialism takes over
and what that has resulted in writ large is basically a gigantic for global birth rate
collapse. So if you'll notice the faith-based communities like the Amish or whatever, the people who have like pronatalist philosophies,
their philosophy ultimately ends up being, God told me to have children and I think it's the
most overriding priority of all and I should do this because God said so, not because of any kind
of like other rationality that's local. You could say, okay, well, the rationality might be,
okay, we all need to have enough children
so that the human race survives.
But at a fundamental individual level,
this doesn't end up working.
Women tend to have less children.
Men tend to have less children.
And then what happens is...
That's a true American society, right?
And what happens is all of this crashes.
So the Roman Empire died for this particular reason.
And within two generations, you had the entire empire fail and you had like hundreds of years of dark ages.
And basically like the Enlightenment comes along and then kind of has to reverse that.
And, you know, for whatever reason, people start having babies again.
But, you know, what the theme here is, is that two things. One is the idea of an idea, like a civilization that lasts beyond my generation.
What is the underlying drive?
What is the belief system that results in that?
What atheist or secular philosophy can you latch on to that can kind of push that forward?
You know, the American experiment is essentially the Constitution or Republic, and we'll see
how that goes.
But it is, most of the Constitution or Republic's Bill of Rights is fundamentally based in,
like, biblical values.
So it's not entirely devoid of God.
So one could argue that if you believe in the Constitution, you indirectly believe in
Jesus anyway, so it doesn't really matter whether you claim that you believe in Jesus
or not or whatever.
At some level, you sort of do anyway. And, you know, so like one is this kind
of idea of an idea that can pass on like a government. Two would be like structures and
like buildings and kind of evidence that we exist that passes on. And the third would be
the literal having of children and our lives get passed on. And what you notice is that the more secular,
the more materialistic a society gets,
the less likely you are to build a pyramid,
the less likely, like, you know,
in America we have Walmarts at the corner.
Like we don't, like, you know,
there's almost nothing built in America today
that you're going to miss a hundred years from now.
That anthropologists are going to go,
oh, what the fuck were these people doing
building this Walmart over here?
Like no one cares.
Like, so you create, like,
non-belief-based societies
create environments and spaces
that are sort of, like, dark
and devoid of anything worth loving,
which is a strange phenomenon as well.
Anyhow, like, I'm not particularly religious either.
We've got to sing a hand.
Yeah, Rama, Rama,
Rama,
go on, Rama. As thes to kind of jump in what
what i kind of what i noted from sefi's response that i was kind of i was waiting for him to say
the one particular word that i think should resonate across all religions and i'll say this
as an atheist right uh and i say atheist like say atheist like I don't believe in a particular religion,
but I understand not at any depth, right?
So don't think that I'm Australian, right?
I'm dumb as fuck when it comes to global multiculturalism,
religion, that sort of stuff.
What I believe people...
You ain't wrong.
I ain't wrong, I know.
I'm dumb as fuck.
We're on our own little island down here, right? Like,
we don't even want to, like, recognize our own, like, indigenous culture. Like,
what my point was, and I'll try to make it brief, there's a lot of hands. What I think that every
religion has that atheists can also understand, and over time time you can believe in,
is kind of one word, right? It's the feeling of like hope,
like that thing that takes you beyond like religion
that everyone can look towards and put religion aside.
Like as a species, what do you wake up for
and look forward to in the next day but ron is it hope
is it hope or is it hope and belonging because there is a tribal aspect so is it just hope
or is it hope and belonging that i i don't care that uh you're a muslim or you're a christian
or you are a jewish right uh if you do those things in your country and you have your little communities, that's fine.
But as a species, like everyone
and what you're looking towards in your God,
whether you believe they're real or not,
my understanding as an atheist is without hope
and without something to wake up
and look forward to tomorrow,
regardless of whether it's your God or a goal
or a thing that you're longing for,
that's all hope, right? Without hope, without something to look forward to, to prospect, to
look to bring value to, for me, it's my kids, right? Like I wake up every day. I'm like, I do
this stuff for my kids and my family because I want them to have a better life than I did.
I don't wake up and be like, oh, I'm doing this for God, right? I do it for my family
and my kids. The hope is the thing that you do it for. And religious people, I think or believe,
you do it for your family and you do it with God. And the belief is that if something happens or,
you know, you try to do this stuff for God, that when you die, you'll go and be with God, right?
I think all humans, regardless of your religion,
need that hope, you need that longing,
you need something that you're like,
this is the thing that I'm doing it for.
Without that, you have nothing, right?
And like, that's the one thing
that you can put religion aside for,
but you can quote unquote, use or believe in religion
that brings you towards that thing
does that make sense i i want to give the mic eric here eric go on man yeah you're spot on with hope
um that that is what's needed and the whole idea of trying to avoid the logical nihilistic
conclusion from atheist perspective is that you need some kind of connection to eternal
oh what stephi was talking about like hey we want something that's going to last for a thousand
years. It's like, well, what happens in a thousand years? Like you can be, you know, some famous
scientist or discover something and be known in 1000 years, but 5000 years, you won't be.
A million years from now, you won't be. The world explodes, you know, like gets eaten up by the sun.
At some point, nothing you have ever done will ever matter unless there is some type of connection to the eternal and so without that life is fundamentally like you know
decently devoid of meaning other than what you can um you know achieve happiness minus uh pain
uh which is complete hedonism yeah and i think that's like as as like an atheist that's where
you can look like multi-religion right because like you it's a little bit different where like you you believe there is jesus and there's god and that's your belief and there's
other religions and other beliefs that can also have that same thought type thing right yeah so
um polstoi was you know author of war and peace and a bunch of other uh books and whatnot devout
christian deacon in his church and whatnot, did not believe that God was real. However, he felt like from evidence
suggesting God wasn't real leads to the nihilistic conclusion. Nihilistic conclusion, nothing matters.
However, from his position, he's like, I'm not going to be arrogant enough to assume that I'm
right about God not existing. The only way that my life could have meaning is if there is a connection to eternal, therefore I'll live my life assuming
that there is so that I have a chance of having a meaningful existence. I like that. My differentiation
is like my background. I have dropped out of a Masters of Divinity program twice now,
but with a focus on apologetics is I believe it takes more faith to believe that God doesn't exist
or the current, you know, pseudoscientific narrative than more faith to believe that God doesn't exist or the current, you know,
pseudoscientific narrative than it does to believe that God does exist. And that logic would lead to
believing whatever requires the least amount of faith. And if anybody in the room hasn't read
Tolstoy, I highly recommend that you definitely go and grab some of that shit because it's very
interesting. Brian, you've got your hand up. back buddy welcome back sir thank you sir i've been like getting rugged left and right um whenever
this conversation comes up people i get to the like i'm not going to talk about my beliefs or
whatever but i will talk about this uh game that you can play called the evolution of trust and
the evolution of trust kind of goes through this dynamic of humanity of like, you know, how do you treat others? Do you lie? Do you cheat? Or do you, you know, cooperate and play together? It's an online app game. And it's pretty amazing. And if you kind of like dive into the history of it, if you look at like computational game theory in the first computer simulation that was used in the military was like during the Cuban Missile Gulf Crisis. It was an eye for an eye obviously leaves the whole world blind,
but what they found in the game theoretic approach was you do what others do to you,
and sometimes you forgive is the most basic game theoretic principle on survival. So treat others as they treat you,
and sometimes you act kind to kind of reset the kindest motion. And what happens in that is that
you can kind of derive out a game theoretic approach or a moralistic approach that it is
the best possible game theory to play when dealing with others is
treat them like they treat you and sometimes you're a little bit extra and you're a little
bit gentle and you're a little bit kinder and so i i challenge and i encourage everybody to play
that game it's called the evolution of trust you can google it it's like this like old school flash
game it's pretty rad i'd love i'd love to get eric's take here so eric i'm not going to say like i'm a
buddhist or anything like this i'm not going to profess to be this or that or you know pigeonhole
myself or anything but the more i've lived in thailand and the more i've been around this stuff
and the more i've had situations happen and the more i've kind of been integrated into thai society
and obviously buddhism is more
of a philosophy than a religion like eric can you what can you explain how maybe like i'm a roman
catholic you know predominantly you know anglo-christian whatever right and yet i'm starting
to understand realize and actually feel physically and mentally feel and emotionally feel and
spiritually feel like there's something out there greater than just us like how has it taken some
other well you might call it a religion or i call it philosophy how has it taken something else
to like give me that like inspirational spark that there might be something bigger than just like us or me
do you know what i mean eric it's been a very weird journey for my mind very very weird journey
i'm still trying to figure it out yeah i mean one there is but two separately like if there isn't
then you your life is devoid of meaning in some capacity besides hedonism you could get to long
form hedonism or short form hedonism either way you know usually leads to nihilism and suicide so um yeah i mean there is more bigger than you
we are all connected and some beyond this existence self i i recommend looking into
like being in time and understanding from phenomenology into existentialism like what
it means to be human like what what was the thought process behind descartes like i think therefore i am um cons anthropology from from a pragmatic point of view it's like what what is a
person my goal eventually past crypto and whatnot is to rewrite cons for uh questions from a christian
perspective um but fundamentally like they they go through a like let's remove all lenses let's
establish like what it means to be.
What are the different forms of existence?
And boils down to from an existentialist perspective that we exist as verbs.
We only exist as verbs.
We're not nouns that do things.
We are the creativity itself existing as a verb.
When God in the Bible says, I am that I am, it's him saying like, like not him saying he is the same.
He is the word.
He is the like existing as a verb.
And then fundamentally Heidegger goes, yeah, really, really dense read.
If you guys are super nerds like I am, but it goes into the idea that when you aren't existing as a verb, you don't exist.
He calls it das Mann, which is the anyone, the everyone.
He creates new terms in German, so they don't really translate.
But basically, when you do what one does because one does it, you don't exist.
It's when you create with intentionality.
Relativity sort of says the same thing from just a physics perspective, as what you just mentioned.
Everything is measured by its relative motion to other things.
There isn't anything really still.
Stillness is the illusion, I guess.
Where all verbs kind of make sense.
I think, therefore,
I am. Everybody should
know that. If you don't, you fucking should do.
What bothers me,
listen, this is going to be quite weird.
Okay, I'm only turning 50 i know that i've
got like you know a good decent 25 30 years ahead of me maybe even more you know depending on you
know we've seen life improvement standards and life expectancy grow i just i'm at the point in
my life where i don't want to like die and not think that there's something else on the other
side now this is quite an interesting one because didn't the pope uh didn't the pope during his
recent uh like about the pneumonia or whatever it was or a few months ago didn't he like die
and said he went across to the side there was nothing there other than like darkness i think
that the recent pope it was just died actually said that after he's like original scare few months ago
I am slightly I must admit scared that there's nothing on the other side I think and I think
that's the main thing is Buddhism obviously like teaches you that there is or the philosophy of
Buddhism is that there is something on the other side there is something to like dedicate your life towards and
why you should be a good person and but i'm really at the stage right now where i know i'm gonna die
i know i'm just flesh and bone but when i do i just hope there's something on the other side and
like some form of like spiritual realm of some degree or whether it's reincarnation or whatever
it is i just hope that there's something else there
near-death experiences like there's tons and tons of research that have gone into people who have like nearly died or died and come back and whatnot and they all like almost all of them share like
there's some that say there was nothing but almost all say that there was just like divine connectivity
and afterwards they're generically religious for the rest of their lives that's why i couldn't
understand exactly that's why i couldn't understand. Exactly.
That's why I couldn't understand why the Pope said what he said.
And I'm still working through that a little bit.
I thought about the concept of kind of belief and faith and kind of bear with me here.
But they're kind of emergent properties of the universe.
Because when you start building
AIs and things and start wondering how to make new sentience, you start abutting upon sort of
like the laws of nature. And a couple of interesting things about the rules of nature so far that we
know is that there is one, an unpredictability to the future. So while the future is sort of quantum,
it's kind of unpredictable.
The past is deterministic.
What does this mean?
Like, well, to get the earth,
you had to start with the sun.
So therefore, you know,
and to get the sun,
you had to have a galaxy, et cetera.
So there's like this deterministic path of events
that occurred to get you to where you are today.
So belief and faith.
So like, where am I taking this? Okay,
so like, let's say you were in the jungle, and your friend told you, hey, there's a tiger around
the corner, and you believe this friend. And so therefore, you avoid getting killed because
you believe your friend.
Why do you believe this person?
Because you've seen tigers before, and it's plausible that there might be a tiger.
Now, if I was in an area without tigers, and let's say I'm in a hospital in America, let's say, where I work,
and someone says, oh, I believe there's a tiger around the corner, you're going to think they're insane.
a tiger around the corner, you're going to think they're insane. But at the same time,
is it possible that maybe a tiger escaped from the zoo and there's a tiger around the corner?
Sure, it's just not probable. So really, our belief system is kind of like this
probability analysis when we don't have 100% of the data. We don't have data about all the molecules in our environment,
like where the tiger is or isn't.
We also don't have a clue about the future.
We don't know for sure what's going to happen in an hour from now,
much less a day from now or whatever.
So these uncertainties about the universe around us
force us to have a belief system.
And even if you build a robot,
like you build a robot that, you know, like a Tesla driving, self-driving car, for example,
it has to create a belief system about what it believes is most likely going to happen in any
given moment. So belief, I think, is something that just sort of emerges as an, like a property
of any decision-making heuristic, whether it's biologic or not.
And then faith is kind of comes along this kind of, you know, take belief to its next,
you know, evolution.
And essentially you get this system.
And I don't know that monkeys really have faith necessarily.
I'm not sure that dolphins have faith exactly.
You know, like there comes a certain level of self-awareness that you have to develop this
kind of new thesis of faith. And again, it's an emergent property. It's like you don't have to
read a book necessarily to discover it. It happens to people regardless. And almost everybody has
faith in something. So for example, if you're an atheist astrophysicist and you ask them,
why do you believe what you know you know why do you
believe what you believe you know why do you believe you should study stars or something
something they'll tell you some some like nonsensical thing that has no basis in like
any fundamental certainty like they'll say oh like we just believe like we should learn more
about the universe really why like there's no objective reason why that should be true
um you know the monkeys don't worry about what they believe in and, like, what they should study and whatever.
So, like, every sort of, like, person that's sufficiently sentient has to create some artificial belief system or artificial faith-based system that is not necessarily based in definitive certainty.
Like, it's, like, you know, when, you know, people make claims like this all the time. So, everybody sort of just creates their own God, in a certainty. People make claims like this all the time. So everybody sort of just
creates their own God in a sense. So I think what happens is God then becomes an emergent property
of the universe, if not is not the universe, because everyone does this. You can't actually
function as a human being if you can't predict in the next minute what's going to happen,
or what you believe is going to be happening in the next 10 years, or why you should have your
next child or whatever it is, right? Like you have once, see monkeys don't have to worry about all
this. They just fuck and then they make other monkeys and they move on. But human beings have
to like literally have a discussion about why they should have children or not have children.
So it's like, it's this weird systematic situation where sentience itself
leads you to have to have belief and faith and then all of this
in order to just simply survive.
Otherwise, you wind up down the nihilistic path like Eric is mentioning.
It's like the arbitrary phenomenon of like, well, hey,
if the sun is going to burn us all to death anyway,
then why should I bother waking up tomorrow morning?
So even scientists come up with arbitrary reasons why to keep trucking on,
even though in the face of a universe, it's going to basically just decimate you one way or the other. And if you have that artificial belief, like this belief that there's some arbitrary
reason I should still wake up tomorrow morning, then I would argue that maybe you already believe
in God. It's already too late. Like, it doesn't matter how much of an atheist you think you are. I've never met a pure atheist.
This person doesn't exist. Like, it doesn't exist. Well, we're going to pivot. I mean,
Rana, I didn't make you think. Can I say something real quick? Of course, of course, of course,
darling. All right. So... Alright, so...
What's going on, Beybanz? What is that? Beybanz, what the what is that what that's what the is that that's god talking right there something's
going on i do i'm gonna i'm gonna pivot me can you hear me or no no we're carney you're talking
you're full of darling i'm sorry wait what what do you mean i'm full of because you like to know
what you just played there but it was absolute garbage i mean what you're doing with your life like what are you talking about are you talking about my
sound or are you talking about my life because i'm about to fight everything no whatever sound
you played there nobody could understand it it was like inaudible right whatever man
i mean i missed i missed rama's message rama like messaged me like 37 minutes ago saying
let's talk about this which i actually do want to but i'll tell you what we'll throw a giga pivot in because i did
today i went down the rabbit hole has anybody been actually looking into this uh power outage
in portugal spain and parts of france so has anybody actually been looking into this on like
so has anybody actually been looking into this on like a kind of like worldwide geographical
actual scale of like what they're talking about what they might be trying to hide and i mean
the story is bullshit by the way for anybody who thinks that this was like
well well dude so the solar flares is like the medium IQ take.
I've just found out that the high IQ take is that there might have actually been a slight,
and it's early, by the way.
They weren't expecting this until 2030.
Excuse me?
A slight, not a slight polar shift.
Excuse me?
So it is not... Correct. Right wait, a slight polar shift. Excuse me? So do you know?
Correct.
Right.
Wait a minute.
Right.
So didn't start shouting at me and giving me all this shit when I didn't, you think,
I don't know what I'm talking about.
No, B-Bands, you got a hot mic.
I know, I'm trying to talk.
I want to make sure you can hear me.
All right, okay, sorry.
I've been quiet this whole time that y'all been talking.
I finally want to talk.
But you played some bullshit. You played some, we whole time that y'all been talking. I finally want to talk. You played some bullshit.
You played some bullshit.
We couldn't even hear what was going on.
Can you hear me now?
I, but not your tape.
What'd you say?
I just want to say real quick something.
Is that okay or no?
It's not okay.
Make sure it's at maximum volume.
Let's go.
So can you hear me or no?
You guys cannot hear me. we could always hear you we just couldn't hear the thing you were playing it was getting like uh like a drive-through
microphone trying to ask you what you'd like to order or something like that yeah we can hear you
right now go for it so i remember eric like everything you're saying i remember feeling
all of those things i remember going to bible the, being, trying to be a missionary. And I think the stress of
thinking that I had to follow Jesus so I could go to heaven, messed my head up real bad. Like
I always was afraid that I was like going to be backslidden and wasn't going to do good enough.
Like my work wasn't going to be enough. And then I know they're like, oh, but if you just follow Jesus, you say it on your heart and then it's good.
But then they're like, but you could backslide. And so like the whole stress of all that
was so much for me that I finally like let it go. And I still feel the stress of like,
not knowing where I'm going to go when I die. But at the same time, I feel less stressed because I'm thinking,
I know it sounds crazy.
You know, like, oh, just worry about your own salvation.
I'm thinking about all the people on the planet that believe different things.
Like, and I feel like automatically they're,
they're already like you can't go to heaven because you don't believe in Jesus.
And I think like that shit like bugs me about the, about religion.
Like, I feel like if you want to believe in God and believe there's a higher power, there's no way that one of one religion has got it right on the whole entire
planet. It can't just be one. So that's why I feel like respect what other people believe and
just live your life because I wake up daily thinking, I'm like, man, if I'm wrong,
now my ass is burning in hell. Dude, yeah, everything you said was so real.
100% of religions are trash. Christianity wasn't meant to be a religion. It's meant to be a
personal relationship with God. And I think that people can have personal relationships with God
under different names. Not really, yeah. We all have different names for it, personifying,
you know, verbs with things that were written in words, trying to convey experiences that we are outside of our realm of comprehension.
Like God just says, all of this stuff is just outside of the realm of what even can be known.
So he ignores it.
No, everything he said is real.
Just in the Bible, God barely talks about what we interpret to be hell.
God barely talks about what we interpret to be heaven.
People say, oh, in my father's house are many mansions. He doesn't say mansions. He says
booths. And he says that because he was at Sukkot, which is like a week-long festival of booths in
Jewish tradition. He was just going and telling people like, hey, what we're experiencing right
now, this like familial camping where we're all connected, that's what, you know, the afterlife
is like. It's all connectivity. When it decides the Trinity, they say it's a perichorusus, which is all like just dancing together. And we're like
part of Jesus, like in this everlasting dance. It's not, you know, mansions and streets of gold.
It's like, what words do you use to convey value? And there's really very little in the Bible
talking about fire and gnashing of teeth. Very few times, and it's much more to talk about anger
and wrath. So I think everything that has become religion is blown out of proportion for
all religions always. And that's why we see so much terrible stuff come from it. And that anyone
who has some kind of personal relationship and communication with, you know, whatever greater
spirit you guys want to call it, I call it, I call it God. I think that, you know, I believe that
Jesus, you know, lived a perfect life and died on the cross for everyone,
not just for the people who, you know, go to war claiming his name.
Oh, I thought, yeah.
All right.
I think this is an awesome conversation.
I really enjoy it.
I will let us pivot now that I got to save my two cents.
I just needed my two cents.
And I felt like he wasn't giving me my two cents, Robo.
But it's okay. I feel better now.
No, you know,
you try to play some mad shit.
I mean, if you just explained it, you try to play
something, and we couldn't hear it, and it was like, it weird.
No, I wasn't playing music. It was literally
just distortion or something
in the other...
in my house of many rooms.
Are you in your faraday cage is that where it is are you in the faraday cage right now are you
i know you've got a faraday cage having your b-band i just have aluminum foil covering myself and
we're good in my head i was just gonna say i was just gonna say b-bans i love rack fm because this
is exactly what rack fm represents it's like oh they're talking about religion yeah
if you're listening in and you're not interested in like listening to the conversation with like
people who were like got high iqs just leave it's no problem but like there's religious and
non-religious people in the room but the well will let this like hang around and talk about it
i'll tell you what before we pivot to this situation with the high temperatures, which it's not,
versus solar flares, which it was, and there was UV radiation, or UV,
which is why the solar panels had this massive burst.
But I would like to talk about the shift in poles that they might be trying to keep quiet.
But before we do that, is australian he's
like four hours ahead of me it must be near like 2 a.m or something for this guy right rama you
sent me a chart well you sent me a chart and it's stargaze now we talked about this last night and
on monday and dude i want your take on this i mean mean, I talked with home player Ben Brady at great length the other day.
So you sent me the chart and you said, let's talk about this.
Give me your synopsis on exactly maybe where they've gone wrong.
What happened? Like, we pretty much know like Rama, this is getting really bad for Stargate now, right?
So I don't think there's too much point talking about history, right?
Because we've all been here for a long time.
You know, minting token, minting NFTs and stars when there's inflation,
and then changing, you know know secondary market to other tokens uh i tried to
help out with the liquidity dow that that stuff didn't really happen too much like we the the
prop said that they would send us like all of the old denom tokens so like we were supposed to get
every every token that minted in non-stargaze DAO was supposed to get the other side of the tokens.
That's why we had like 21 million stars, right?
Did you say that didn't happen?
Did you say that didn't happen?
Go and check the prop.
It's written in the prop.
Every NFT collection,
the fee from that was supposed to get sent to the DAO.
And it never happened.
We never got the fees into the DAO.
So we just sat there trying to do what we could do
with uh the st osmo and stars and we said we would never sell stars we wouldn't leverage stars so
there's just like 21 million stars sitting there doing pretty much nothing right like we're waiting
for other assets to come into the dow to do things with the other half of that never happened right
which is fine right like that's the
foundations not fine because governance said it should have done it but uh i never never raised
it up and been like hey like we're supposed to do this because there just wasn't much minting right
like tier would have been the big one where we would have had like 20 or 30 000 tier uh in terms
of dollars not actual tier tokens uh that we could have paired with stars
and it might have helped but like ultimately because osmo was the main pair it would have
ended up in the same result right like the token going down so that liquidity dows now wound down
we wound down all the lp positions we had thus like anytime you try and sell it now it just
nukes the chart like i just sent you um what I would like to talk about
is the future and I think about a year ago and hopefully he won't get mad at me a friend of mine
said that stars should just be an app on a certain chain and I was like I don't think so because I
think that the unique thing that stars has is its community in terms of at the
point in time a year ago that there was a lot of people and a lot of community that really like
stars and they wanted stars as an app to be a community-based thing where if you wanted to have
a voice and you wanted to voice it you could do do that. Example, when Stride came for the community pool
and I told them to fuck off,
I'm a guy who had very little stars.
I didn't stake much stars in terms of dollar value,
but my voice was fuck you
because the stars community
doesn't want you leeching off them
and making it so you could prop up the Stride token, right?
That's what stars had going for it, right? There's a very strong NFT community at that point in time.
Now, I don't think there's that anymore. So I would say in the next three to four months,
stars will be an app on the hub. That's the future.
Comments from the audience? Come on.
What everyone just like, has the is a cat got you doing a lot people we ain't got nothing
to say
He was being rude to me earlier and everyone's just punishing right now. I'm still reading about the
I'm still reading about the evolution of trust. I'm playing this little game right now. This is very cool
I don't know if it was Erica Ramah that brought this up, but thank you
That was Brian. No noan brian was talking about earlier
it was brian i gotta go try it for the first time
eric would you have done anything different with the stargazed ergonomics would you
yeah um i need to incentivize volume directly i showed him a way to do it so they're gonna work on
it um in general they're in a lot of directions i get it um again the strength and difficulty of it being its own chain
is anyone can use it but everyone wants a native nfc marketplace therefore um it struggles to get
more adoption i think a pivot to the hub at this point um makes sense um yeah also i see sysla
just hopped on sysla i'm uh gonna start putting some uh some of my church
services on on omniflix let's talk about that a little bit earlier uh dropping bible on jackal
um gonna live stream events through passage and gonna uh drop full sermons on omniflix with
quizzes and stuff and start paying out rewards woot how do you feel about that rama how do you
feel about stargaze pivoting to the hub then
it's got to be done yeah no choice right now
they they they have to man they got to cut costs i i know we live out here in the crypto world where
business isn't really business but economic reality is and you can ignore the laws of
economics but you can't ignore the results of ignoring the laws
so they're they're not gonna have a choice here man it's either that or watch a shit look at
i got the thumb up rama knows what i'm talking about yeah uh yeah they're gonna have targets
right like i think there's a there's a very small amount of uh cosmos app chains that have very good products that due to market conditions due to sentiment
whatever it is where it doesn't matter how good your app is uh if you haven't changed your token
or makes your approach you haven't attracted enough users you're going to get the same result
right i think there's maybe a handful of applications in Cosmos that are very good. I'll try and name a few and happy to be, if I miss some, I'm sorry.
Osmosis, great decks, terrible tokenomics.
Stargaze, great NFT platform, terrible tokenomics.
Omniflix, another one, I'll shout out Sysla, great application.
Tokenomics, not great.
Token launch, great platform, great platform, great platform, terrible tokenomics. Omniflix, another one. I'll shout out Sysler.
Great application.
Tokenomics, not great.
Token launch, not great.
And he knows this.
Good application, right?
Great media.
They've gone the hard way.
Unfortunate for them.
Jackal, another great one.
Akash, another great one.
Sentinel guys. Tokenomics, absolutely dog shit. You are like
one of the first Cosmos tokens to launch. Decentralized VPN, cool. Haven't used it. I
know people use it. That's like it. Like outside of that, like those five or six, seven, maybe
they're the apps in Cosmos, right? That's it. Outside of them, there is just nothing, right?
So there's Defy and all that stuff.
Cool.
There are L1s and permissionless bullshit and other apps that probably exist, right?
Like I get it.
There's all of the other NFT platforms and all that stuff, Defy application.
But like the L1s that are just an L1 that's an app, those are it.
They're all subject to the same problem.
They have good apps, but for one reason or another,
their token is down only.
And if you have a token that's down only, people don't care.
Like DarkSide, you said before, it's like,
if your token goes down, people don't care.
They stop paying attention.
Most people stop using the application
unless they actually need to use it. Give me a reason to use your application where it's
fundamental for my life or my job, then I'll use it. Without that, there's no point, right? I'll
go and find a web two option that's easier. And it's very hard to be a Cosmos app chain
where that matters.
And Stargaze and all these other examples are perfect for that.
You can be an app.
You can move the tech over in the next couple of months.
You might have a lifeline.
You know what Cosmos reminds me of a little bit, Rama?
So you've heard the expression there show me the man and i'll show you the crime right cosmos reminds me of like show me the dap
and i'll show you the l1 if that makes sense honestly dude you know what i mean right
dude you know what i mean right i gotta hop roma wait a minute early roma early 2022 we
were talking about the app chain things as being and we were getting loads of at the time
were we proved right at the end of the day or not where we proved right about our call
three years ago yes or no because you've got like major founders coming out now that's saying the app chain thesis is dead right yeah well i think it's like outside of the very few niche app
chains that currently exist yeah and i think uh saying the app chain thesis is dead I think as an early call, it's correct. Now in 2025, it's probably not as correct as we
thought it was back then. I think more accurate is the internet of blockchains is absolutely dead.
The app chain thesis is probably still alive, but it's now the era of your app actually has to matter and has to have
users. Whereas in the early days, it was like, you've got an app chain idea and you're fucking
fine, a la Comdex, a la Asset Mantle, right? Who never actually did anything, never built anything
as two examples. That's what the internet of blockchains was
now there's the app chain thesis where you've got actually people building shit where you're using
the sdk you're using ibc but you're building your own modules within that tech stack that actually
builds applications and makes it usable for people. That's what matters.
That's a good take.
I like that one.
Actually, the AppChain thesis isn't dead.
It's the Internet of Blockchain thesis that's dead.
I like that take, son.
See, that's why we're asking you to come on the show tonight, son,
because you've got fucking base takes, you know what I mean?
Anybody else want to chime in? I mean, a lot of you have been in Cosmos for a long time.
Anybody got anything to say on the back of that well i mean things have got to start changing the definition
of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and getting the same result but expecting
a different one you gotta you gotta change i mean if we're gonna copy each other let's let's do it good
let's copy each other let's copy each other properly you know do it you know take that
idea steal it put it over there you know i feel like we can do this, the bear of it is that,
yeah.
And I agree with Rama's take right there.
These are the,
the,
the ones sitting at the table,
the chains that he named are the ones,
same ones I support,
same reason I support them.
But the bear of it is that there's like an additional 85 or so out here in
the cosmos that have all their tokens effectively paired together with every
single thing that it's touching so that the chains that actually do provide a service that do perform
to perform a function are getting bled out and drained and have to support all of these other
85 l ones out here that do absolutely nothing but they're all stuck through the pairings they're all
stuck through osmosis or through osmo token they're all stuck through the pairings. They're all stuck through osmosis or through Osmo token.
They're all stuck through Adam.
I mean,
everything up there,
you have a couple of them that are like trying to carry everything out here.
And they're simply going to get bled regardless of how good the tech is.
So until you either clear off the dead weight,
get rid of the ones that are simply not performing,
haven't been performing for years,
are never going to perform because they're fucking science fairs.
You either find a way to clear those things out
so the ones that can thrive will thrive,
or we all just slowly bleed out together
and tech be damned.
It won't matter.
So you've got to put some insulation
between all of the bullshit from three years ago
bullshit from three years ago and the things that are actually performing now very very difficult to
and the things that are actually performing now.
Very, very difficult to do.
do the cosmos ecosystem needs a lucanes we need like a pudgy penguins motherfucker up in here i'm
just saying i know i'm a super fan speaking of app chains you know the oldest app chain is like
essentially rna and dna and even though it's the most prominent
chain of information important to life,
we can't convince people to have children.
So fuck all if you're going to be able
to have most app chains survive.
You can't even get people to keep their own DNA surviving.
So there is that problem
that's interesting what their dna gender is you know what i mean
that's interesting uh sefi i've never thought about dna being like a
a sort of periodical like blockchain to that's like replicated like that's quite
in i've never ever thought about dnares as a blockchain it's passed down
through history like the genomes that's how it works a permanent energy and
energy and decentralization are at its core um you know like you eat so that you can pass on
this information but it's not it's turned out to not be immutable right because if it's true
about these vaccinations and autism and hdhd adhd and all the other stuff then we've kind of like
well the blockchain of dna hasn't been immutable from day one if we've been able to actually like
change that right well the dna works because it is changeable. It would not work if it was fully immutable. That would be kind of cancer more than anything. So change is kind of like, again, remember I told you earlier about the unknowable future? DNA tells you that for the past 5 billion years, life has not been able to see the future because if it could, it would just create perfection outright. Instead, you have DNA that changes to meet the demands of the times.
And you don't know which, by the way, which app chain, for example, is going to be the one that is very useful until you build tons of things.
So what evolution does, it basically throws mutations and features at the wall.
And whichever ones stick because they're useful because you need gills to breathe breathe underwater or whatever then those will stick around because people find them useful and
if so there's a there's a survival the fittest or an evolutionary theory behind like all of
software and all of information because ultimately like you said if if people aren't using it they
won't pay for it they won't expend energy on it um because they don't find it to be you know
enhancing their lives or entertaining them or something. So that's why like ultimately a thing has to have utility if it's going to,
if it's going to continue to like acquire capital inflows because if not, otherwise it'll just bleed
out. Yeah. So something like, let's say, for example, take something like life expectancy.
So if we're thinking about digging as a blockchain blockchain like this life expectancy will be like a chain upgrade whereas
like say something like you know these uh invasive like vaccinations that we think might be causing
autism would that be like relative to like say a hack i i think the the problem with uh all forms of
uh what you could classify as eugenics like this theory that I can predict into the future, what genes will be useful?
Is it better to vaccinate people and therefore not have them exposed to as many pathogens that can kill them?
Or is it better to have the people that don't have the right genes for that die off?
You know, all of modern medicine generally is like fighting against the
natural order of survival of the fittest. It's basically this idea that like, okay, if you have
cystic fibrosis, normally you wouldn't live long enough to have children. Therefore, you wouldn't
pass on your genes. But now we have these new like, you know, CFTR, you know, like regulation
drugs and whatnot, you know, like that make it possible for a person with cystic fibrosis to now make it to the age of procreation, have children and can pass on those
genes. So, so humanity is always tinkering around the edges with like civilization, sentience and
modifying like life, whether it's through technology, science, just even governmental
structures, smartphones, it all basically modifies mating behavior.
And at some level, if it works out, so for example, modernity right now is modifying mating behavior. How is it doing so? Because dating apps are changing how people meet each other.
There's no singles locations anymore, and marriage rates are down. And so if you look at modernity
at large, everything has changed in terms of how people are behaving with one or other. Birth rates are down hard. So basically, that's why I say modernity is a Darwinian
selector. If you expose yourself to a smartphone, you're going to have less children pretty
much objectively almost every time. And so therefore, the smartphone is technically
trying to kill you in your DNA. And basically, it's an interesting phenomenon. So technology that
everyone likes is going to survive. However, some things will work out in the short run,
Robo, like you were saying, like, you know, we do things like vaccines, whatever. There's some
things that might work out in the short run, like a vaccine. But is that the right thing in the long
run? So let's say, for example, you have an entirely vaccinated population. All of a sudden, a meteor strikes the earth.
And now you have a bunch of people who, like, now they're born without vaccines, but they haven't been culled by measles.
They haven't been culled by these things.
Their DNA has been allowed to replicate.
So then a massive, you know, meteor strike happens.
Infrastructure, you know, goes to shit.
And basically, the few remaining humans are all dying of measles and shit because they don't have um because their genes have not been called ahead of time so some
certain things like centralization tends to lead these are usually centralization theories they
lead to short-term gains but long-term fragility so this is the this is the general problem with
like um centralization centralization it's because everyone like as as a species and
robert jump in any time like as a species we're like so protective of our species and like people's
feelings and everything these days like like uh the measles and stuff you know i wasn't around
during like the black plague and like the measles epidemic and that sort of stuff i get it right
like when your kids got sick and they were in pain and you got like all that stuff like you want to
stop people going through those experiences so we introduce vaccines to stop people going through
that stuff right uh black plague probably different than like measles right but now it's like uh the
common cold says we're coming into winter in australia it's like oh cool my company emails me like yo
come and get your flu vaccine and i'm like delete immediately and then my wife's like cool like
we're going to the doctor we're going to get a flu vaccine i'm like why she's like because it's
coming to winter i don't want us to get sick i'm like but you get sick and then your body gets
healthy from being sick like you get it one time maybe twice you get different sickness sick and then your body gets healthy from being sick. Like you get it one time, maybe twice,
you get different sicknesses and then you're okay.
The next year you won't get it as bad.
There might be a different strain, but your body's all good.
She's like, no, we're going to get the vaccine.
I'm like, no, like don't do it.
Just get sick.
Like you don't get that sick.
You might be sick for a few days, four or five days,
but your body is built for this.
Like sure, they get stronger.
You might get sick for a while, but over time you get better because you're dealing with less of a,
just like we're built for this. Our body is, we have an immune system for a reason.
Like obviously like- I just want to put a disclaimer real quick, but if you have cancer,
please make sure to go see the doctor. Yeah. Very, very, very bad sicknesses are,
I'm talking about the flu, right?
Like that stuff, it's easy, right?
You just deal with that stuff.
But fundamentally, all medical care of...
But fundamentally, and since I do this for a living,
all medical care of all kinds essentially makes our...
Whoever is born, the overall DNA pool becomes more fragile. This is
just a fact of it. And what human beings have decided is that, okay, we're going to try to
beat nature. And in the process of beating nature, we're okay with a more fragile genetic
centralized system. So the farther you go down this pathway, the more fragile it becomes,
down this pathway, the more fragile it becomes, the more dependent you become on those centralized
the more dependent you become on those centralized structures to make it work.
structures to make it work. So that's just kind of what it is. And I think the problem is that
as humans, we tend to prefer the short-term gain, which is I don't want my child to die,
versus I want to make sure that the human race survives or something along those lines.
So they're very contradictory in many ways in terms of short-term versus long-term.
So really, all these choices we make, the consequences are on different timescales.
They're trade-offs for different things.
It's very similar to building a blockchain.
Every design choice you make has certain trade-offs of one kind or the other.
We talked about Bitcoin earlier.
There are certain design trade-offs that were made to prevent certain problems. Like for example, privacy wasn't
instituted because Satoshi believed that like privacy would be like taken down by the government
much quicker and it would have a hard time surviving and blah, blah, blah. So like he traded
off like not having privacy, for example, but that had consequences now because now your transactions
aren't private and once it becomes big enough, it become a problem so trade-offs are present in nature trade-offs are present in decisions
and really like what i've realized is we're all just flying by the seat of our pants we have no
fucking clue what we're doing the human race at large is just basically just guessing moment by
moment day after day individuals corporations countries everyone just guessing and it the
miracle of all of this is that it all somehow,
we're all still standing. Like, it's really quite impressive. You think like billions of years of evolution or whatever, yet here we are, no matter how many possible fuck-ups could have happened
along the way. And probably a lot of why we exist today is because of huge numbers of fuck-ups,
maybe. Like, that, you know, entire sections of the human race killed off other sections of the human race.
And yeah, so here we are.
So all of us have been, you know, like our ancestors of people that have committed, say, mass genocide, for example,
which at the time, now if you judge them, you'd be like, oh, why'd you kill off your other ancestors?
But then we wouldn't be here had we not done this.
So there you go.
Well, Steffi, I want to come back in a minute because I do have a very specific question for you as a doctor
but we do have a new speaker snails you got your hand up mate you've got the mic let's go
yeah i had a quick question for sefi um i was wondering his opinions on brian
cruce um and he talks a lot about uh blue light addiction and all the health problems that it causes and he goes as far as saying like
this cia um as part of like you know the expanded mk ultra um you know that blue blue lights from
cell phones tvs lcd screen yeah you don't want to get me too started on that because the the actual
project i'm working on um is actually about mind control at this moment.
Forget about what you think the CIA did or didn't do.
What's coming next is
it's going to blow your fucking mind like there's no tomorrow.
That's a
long tirade. It's a whole space
to talk about all of that.
The Sefi Intelligence
Agency?
Sefi, are you trying this procedure on yourself for being able to read minds?
For science.
Yeah, of course.
Of course, of course.
Okay, so what am I thinking right now?
Nothing.
Nothing at all.
That was hard to predict.
She's got the massive joint in front of her that she's got to spark up yes
rama can read minds so all joking aside all joking aside i did have a serious question for sefi
uh sefi i couldn't get on the dot of pep airspace the other week uh to ask this b-bands
that they do because twitter was down in thailand but this has been a big thing in the news recently the uh re-purposification or repurposing let's say a repurposing of uh
medicinal treatments for want of a better word like hydroxychloroquine with or ivermectin
we're now seeing all this sort of stuff come out now. Now, with you being on the inside, like, from the, you know, the head ponchos or the heads
up, like, are you getting any, like, talk about, like, oh, right, okay, we've been suppressing
this for, like, years, we're gonna, you know, mass release it.
Most of that's bullshit.
Yeah, it's mostly BS.
It's, like, mostly internet lore.
Really?
Yeah, over the last 30-plus years, I've seen stuff like this come up every few years, like over and over and over again.
Like ivermectin. Okay, let's take ivermectin, for example.
Ivermectin is like his favorite word.
If you go over decades, it's interesting, the history of the emergence of these ideas that come up on the internet or on public sphere.
A big one was like vitamin C with Linus Pauling back in the 60s or something. ideas that come up on the internet or on, you know, public, you know, sphere. You know, a big,
big one was like vitamin C with Linus Pauling back in like the 60s or something. So there's
basically these little things that emanate the popular culture that are basically meaningless
nonsense. And like, so for example, let's say it's ivermectin or whatever. Let's say you had
some thesis as to like how it's helpful for something. All you have to do is like create a study for it. Like,
like people spend like years LARPing about this sort of stuff and making claims
and whatever, but it actually would be much faster to do like a, you know,
you know, if people believe that really worked, you know,
all you have to do is say, Hey, I'm putting together as a study for like,
you know, you know, 10,000 patients or five, you know,
5,000 patients placebo controlled. Now I want to prove it works.
Isn't that what RFK Jr. is doing though with the, uh, isn't that what he say?
What you've just said is exactly what RFK said.
Like how they're going to like roll out what they're going to do.
Yeah. I mean, it's all depending on what you intend to fund.
Now I'm not saying that like, you see, the problem is like,
let's say it's ivermectin as an example. The reason why you don't get, like, brought a lot of studies about it would be because it's, there's not that much money to be made in that. So if there's not much money to be made, like, why would B-bans do a study when she can't make any money off of it? So you'd have to be out of the goodness of your heart. So then you have to just simply say, well, wait a minute, is there any enough objective evidence to do a study about this thing? And if there is... Is that because it's a generic drug?
So ivermectin is a generic drug that anybody can make, is that right?
Yeah, so generic is one issue, it's off patent.
The second issue would be, like, if you don't believe the treatment effect is strong,
then you wouldn't waste your life studying it either.
I'll give you a simple example.
So, like, we have electrolytes that we fix
in the icu like before you do before you do slightly before you do right okay so i'm i'm
going to talk to you it's a non-medical pleb i mean i do teach at hospitals and that so i do know a
little bit of but i'm going to talk i'm going to tell you what i've seen over the last 18 to 24 months massively blown up on all of the places i go to
is that cancer is parasitic and if it's treated that way as a parasite and it's a completely
different conversation with their cancer so i'm just saying you like the people like me who don't
know things are seeing these things being talked about about you know parasitic nature
blah blah blah all sorts of stuff right whether it's cayenne pepper this is all just like a mixing
of you know terminologies into gobbledygook for the most part it doesn't like it's just meaning
this like yeah most of that stuff is mostly nonsense so in the medical community okay in
the medical community in the medical community there's this in the medical community, in the medical community, there's this shit on.
It's like you laugh at this shit, right?
Well, I mean, the tricky thing is there have been things historically that turned out to be very, very strange,
like when you finally studied them.
Take stomach ulcers, for example.
For the longest time, it was like, oh, maybe it's spicy food or stress or some other whatever.
And it turns out the vast majority of stomach ulcers are from a bacteria and that wasn't discovered
until a guy literally infected himself with h pylori um and tested this theory and discovered
hey wait a minute this is actually a thing and you can now get like biopsies of your stomach and see
if you have h pylori so like so this idea that a bacteria caused ulcers was not known until it was known. So I concede that there's possibilities out there of strange phenomenon and interesting cures are going to come from very strange ideas.
I don't have a problem with that.
In fact, I don't even have a problem with this concept that hydroxychloroquine has some antiviral activity, perhaps.
What I do have a problem with is just intellectual laziness, where people will make all sorts of claims, but then not actually test them in methods that we know work really, really well.
Because if you had a method that, you know, like there's billionaires out there that'll throw money at almost anything, right?
Like if you put a project together and say, hey, I want to test this, let's prove it, and we're going to waste some money on this thing.
You'll find money for this sort of thing.
The fact that a lot of researchers don't do this is not because they can't.
It's just because they're just intellectually lazy.
This is a common problem in medicine or in any field
because there's not an infinite amount of money
and there's not an infinite amount of researchers or time
and the number of patients willing to try it and whatever else.
So building big studies is actually quite difficult.
Even when you have a, like the typical drug to get through FDA approval these days to do a proper study,
you know, it's like a billion dollars or something.
It's a huge amount of money and a huge amount of research that has to go into making it work.
And then if it fails, then you've lost your billion dollars, right?
Like, so when you have studies that are done, like for like fringe shit,
like there's stuff that gets done by NIH and whatever. And what happens is, is that that money just gets lost and
the public just pays it out of the taxpayer budget for studies that are not going to be like
definitively profitable. Um, there's also like, it's just hard to, you know, like you have to
determine there's like a strong treatment effect. For example, um, I don't know, like there's a
good way to describe this to you guys, but imagine your normal potassium in your body is about a 4.0 potassium, I think it's like millequivalents
per deciliter or something in your bloodstream.
And in the ICU and such, if your potassium is really low, like it goes down below 3 or
something, we might give you potassium.
If it goes above 5, we might give you medicines to reduce it or do dialysis or what have you.
Everyone knows that at the extremes, like extremes of potassium are bad for you. So for example,
if it's down to one, you might have torsades and die of a heart attack. If it's down to
up to seven, you might do the same thing. So basically we know that like the body requires
potassium in this range. Here's the thing though. If you were to tell me, hey, but guys,
thing, though. If you were to tell me, hey, but guys, if I raise everyone's potassium from 3.9 to
4, if I raise everyone's potassium from 3.9 to improve, you know, I'm going to improve people's
lives, I'm going to save their lives, there's a problem with that. And that is that, like,
the body normally has potassium ranging between 3.9 to 4.1 in
these kinds of numbers.
So if you're going to make the claim that this makes a difference, number one, you have
to prove there's mortality from being lower potassium.
Is 3.9 objectively worse than 4?
The second thing you have to prove is that by increasing from 3.9 to 4, you're going
to actually improve mortality.
So this is a modifiable thing.
So what a power of a study is, is that if you have
a disease state that has a low mortality, so for example, a potassium 3.9 is a low mortality state,
you're not likely to die of this. And the treatment effect is really small. So if you're
going to have a bump in potassium 3.9 to 4, that's like the difference in like, that's like eating a
bowl of spaghetti or whatever. Then you're going to claim that that's going to improve your life in some way.
But the mortality effect or the treatment effect is small.
The power of study becomes gigantic.
What does that mean?
The number of patients you have to study becomes huge.
Like you might have to study 10,000 or 100,000 patients.
And it becomes more expensive.
So the universe does not allow us to know everything we want to know about every nuance without being extremely expensive or starting to also get extremely noisy.
So what do I mean by noise?
Like let's say you did this gigantic 100,000 patient trial making everyone's potassium from 3.9 to 4, and it showed a positive result.
Guess what?
When you do gigantic studies, you can actually have a statistically significant finding,
which is clinically irrelevant.
Like in real life, it doesn't actually work.
So this is another crazy thing.
The universe has a lot of constraints about what we can know and what we can't know.
And this is just one example of this.
And there's a lot more.
But the point is, like, study design is a very complicated thing.
And when you see that, like, someone makes a claim about something and they haven't even
done the basic amount of study design and produce even the simplest study to prove something,
you know it's basically likely bullshit until proven otherwise, right?
Like, because I can make claims of all sorts of shit in science, like if I don't have like
specific data.
So when people say trust the science and trust the scientist, I can tell you like in the
scientific literature, like lately, the last four or five years since COVID, the number of sort of bullshit websites that will just publish, not publish, but like you can put whatever article you want to on the internet has skyrocketed like it's 10x.
So when you do your own research on the internet, the question's not whether you can acquire strange things, you know, like make claims and maybe even like small studies that seem to be interesting.
But you don't know the quality of that evidence.
You don't know if any of the data is actually true or fabricated anymore in some of those smaller sites.
And peer review has become much more difficult and all of that.
So it's really tough to be sure is what I'm saying.
And the ivermectin hydroxychloroquine stuff so far is mostly bullshit is what I'm is my current um assumption. I see have we told you I don't know if we have
we told you that we've missed you lately we'll be missing you brother mine you know what I mean
so yeah you really you really needed a scientific lecture this morning. Dude I remember the first
time I met you man oh my god it was like 4 a.m for me and i was
off me trolley and it was you bruce and uh what's his name biggie is what's his name again
and then oh it was a mad one and that was your woman who used to do the impressions and that so
seffy used to host
set spaces back in the day with some of the craziest things rami had your hand up didn't you brother i say we got curious here but rami had your hand up what are you gonna say
you know i don't know about that oh all right all right now that now that comes now excuse me i just
i just wanted to be on record real quick baby i'm so sorry for kicking
you out of the room i did not mean to i meant to send you a talk invite okay no she actually
mentioned like you uh i don't know who you are i'm joking what a what a room what a room good night
wait listen i tweeted earlier this is the best space the ragfm has done obviously i'm not i don't compare the like the
daily shows with the interviews i mean but this is recorded what a show i mean we started with
zirka i say he's just joined the room again but we have got curious jay now this is gonna be
interesting because i saw him oh this guy who would invite him up honestly oh bro i yo i just jumped
in because there was some medical talk and uh it's been a
while since i've had any medical conversations and i've missed c5 but i heard oh bro no no no
we don't care about that no no we don't care wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute we don't care
he's been shitting dude why are you shitting on dexas i mean people just launched their new little project trying to be nice trying to contribute to society trying to get their little bit back and
then curious jays out there yeah why are you shit bombing people bro dude i'm honestly i just wanted
to join the conversation and get off topic for crypto for once i i heard parasites compared to
cancer and i just wanted to educate people the difference that's it but I think
He's just going to come in and talk about hydro and informal for a little bit like parasites and cancer
Okay
I'm not parasitic
Curious I'll ask her a question though so right okay can you define it right you define it? Right. So we heard from Stephanie, but cancer is not parasitic. Is that right? with cancer you have a mutation of your cell cycle so you know genetic mutation
essentially they occurred in like two different types of genes you can I mean
I can dive deeply into it but yeah essentially cancer is the mutation of
your cellular level parasites are organisms that enter your body that
cause various diseases so I've got another question for you.
Does bacon, because I like a bit of bacon, does bacon, you're not processed bacon, like what you buy in the shop and that.
Does bacon cause cancer?
Because there was this massive controversy in Britain a few years ago in the UK that, I know Rama, it's bullshit, isn't it?
I'm calling bullshit on the fact that like cancer, you didn't get cancer and bacon bro, right?
Yeah, I think it really depends on like the processed meat behind the bacon what kind of bacon it is
But yeah, there have been
I think it matters how you cook it, right? Yeah, well, well, you know, you can we can look at peer-reviewed articles on this
But it really comes down to the kind of processed meat
Which kind of bacon you're using. Is it, you know, grass-fed bacon from, but bacon is pig,
so, like, usually, like, the meat from pork is not the healthiest, and this is really not just,
like, comes down to any religious aspect, but just in terms of like the quality of the meat and the diet that,
that pork has.
Did you just say this isn't a religious thing?
So you don't eat pork.
I don't eat pork.
Okay.
And yeah,
I just,
yeah,
I used to,
I used to,
I like,
I love beef.
I love fish,
but I,
you know,
pork is just not my thing.
I was in a cult and we weren't allowed to eat pork in this cult. And one time I ate pork and I thought I, but I, you know, pork is just not my thing. So when I was young, I was in a cult, and we weren't allowed to eat pork in this cult.
And one time I ate pork, and I thought I was going to fucking burn in hell.
It was crazy.
Anyways, as you were.
Well, I was going to, I was going to, I want to ask,
while we've got the physicians in the room, I mean, it's recorded.
It does not happen.
Kangaroo, spicy kangaroo.
Guys, listen, we're hearing a lot of bad stuff about sun cream.
Now, I'm just going to say I've never wore sun cream in Thailand for like 13 years.
Vitamin D, this whole shabar, we saw the studies that came out during COVID
between like those who had like high levels of vitamin d
because of the sun and those who didn't like there was massive studies wasn't there right
uh i think there were three big studies around the world at the time like i have never felt better
i mean i know i have the sometimes off the eggs and that but they you know putting that aside or
the odd mozzy bite i don't think this is sometimes people aren't in our dms like
i'm just saying oh oh there's this irish dude b-bans for them being took down by the dengue fever uh
but you know the level three the one that i had but he's proper like uh they're talking about six
months before you can fly one is he like he's only a tourist not he's going right now like you were
oh he was oh i'll send you the story i only read it a day in the thai
enquiry i was like he but so you know what he was normal uh on his weight listen how bad this is
dengue the level three defcon four he he like made like a little video call for the family like
saying he was like leaving bangkok and he was like heading to the airport to get on the plane and
come back by the time he got the airport he couldn't walk it was absolutely off his face
Uh, oh, I was reading I was like, oh i've been there soon. I know what that's like like enjoy your fucking
Two weeks on a fucking incubator or wherever you're going like all right good night
Wait a minute wait a minute
whoa whoa whoa whoa doctors doctors doctors last question last question before zerk last question
vitamin b vitamin d first curious g then sefi is vitamin d or not
uh curious first what do you mean is it bullshit of course it's not bullshit you you need
vitamin like it's right so if you're in a country where you're not getting much because i think it's
the greatest drug on earth mate i've actually come to understand that the sun i've got an
amazing tan right now you wouldn't believe me man i'm like man friday running around me man i'm
climbing coconut trees and everything and I've never felt better.
Brother, I'm in Florida right now,
tanning my balls out in the backyard
to get that extra vitamin D.
No cream, no cream.
He's giving the sun some vitamin D too,
he's like check this out ladies.
So if you're in a cold climate though,
if you're in a cold climate though, you should be taking a certain amount of it, right?
Absolutely, but it's best to consume it obviously through sunlight if you are in warmer tropical climates.
But yes, if you are in colder environments, you do need vitamin D for supplements, especially if you're getting when corvid when corvid swept england and the wall in lockdown i
mean parents were wearing like masks and face shields and everything and gloves and you know
could only see people 10 feet apart and all this uh straight away i like i was right right you've
got to get the vitamin d you've got to get the zinc down yeah like you've got to be making sure
like all your levels your magnesium like blah blah blah like i i i think honestly people just undervalue how much like all the abundance of elements
are out there that you can like take that can take care of you but sunlight for me i'm out
walking the locals like what you're doing and i'm like it's free energy man it is literally
free energy anyway uh great circle welcome back brother we
had a we're still going we had an unbelievable conversation about canada earlier though that
was amazing dude thank you by the way the the simple thing about vitamin d is i think uh
number one you need it to survive so it's not like it's it is a a molecule that you fundamentally need. But on the other hand, what has been not as clear is what the actual levels specifically mean.
So you'll have people who live their whole life, make it to a nice ripe old age, have fundamentally like, you know, maybe low vitamin D levels, whatever, don't have any major problems from it one way or the other. So you can't objectively prove that a low level automatically implies a bad outcome.
And the second thing that's been difficult to prove is over, like, with using randomized control trials
where a person is taking placebo versus vitamin D, it hasn't really been clear that any of the fundamental outcome measures
that we follow,
like, you know, bones and this and that, it hasn't been clear on every trial that you can clearly
demonstrate, you know, benefit in all of these trials. So if you have like specific diseases,
like you're trying to, you know, you have serious deficiency, you're avoiding rickets or whatever,
then yes, there's some effect there. But the medium grade, like vitamin D abnormalities,
is very similar to the potassium description I mentioned earlier
in that people had a very hard time proving that there's a benefit.
And in medicine, here's the thing.
If it's very hard to prove there's a benefit
when everyone's wanting there to be a benefit,
then you really should be worried that there isn't one.
So even the sunscreen argument is kind of like mostly, I mean, like silly because like sunscreen barely even does anything anyway in terms of,
you know, sunscreen barely works to begin with, much less worried about, you know,
people's vitamin D as a result of it. And big picture, I think we haven't been able to really
definitively prove that like the replacement levels that people prescribe based on low vitamin
D levels are worth the money or the outcome difference.
So that's not really clear cut fundamentally.
If you have osteoporosis and this and that,
I can see where people are going to go ahead and try to throw the kitchen sink at it.
But if you're eating fairly normally, have a pretty decent variety diet.
I don't think obsessing about vitamins too much has been shown to be very productive.
In fact, they have these multivitamins at the store,
like Centrum and whatnot. They've done some studies on those things and showing no obvious
measurable outcome difference, even when you do like wide broad. You can get everything from food,
Sefi. You can get everything from food. For the most part, yes. Yeah. For the most part,
if you have a balanced diet with proper nutrients, you don't need those extra supplements. And like Steffi said, when it comes to like the amount, the dosage amount, like for example, vitamin D, I think it's recommended about 2000 international units. That just measures its effectiveness. It doesn't mean that with that much, now you're going to be healthy forever, right?
that much, now you're going to be healthy forever, right? It's really just in terms of how much your
body can absorb, the range of it. But it's not a way to say like, this is going to keep you healthy
every single day if you take it. And of course, it depends on, you know, genetics as well, where
you're, you know, your ethnicity, your origin, your location, you know, obviously people in the north
probably are used to
requiring much less than those that are in warmer tropical climates so um yeah it really really is
bro you should have been on our space the other day me and red eye man when we were talking about
uh our electromagnetic fields and the relationship with water and stuff me and red eye was right down
rabbit holes the other know the day anyway
Zerks mate, we've tried to introduce you like three times. I'm sorry, brother. Welcome back mate. Welcome back here
Thanks, I'm just listening in this pretty interesting conversation. I jumped in I was expecting crypto talk and it's all about vitamin D
Part of this whole game too, by the way, guys, is like... I mean, I'm in Canada.
You know, if you're over 65, it's kind of like... You're in Canada?
Oh, that explains it.
We have no son here whatsoever.
I don't live in Australia, so don't at me, man.
That being said, agree with everything that has been mentioned.
Wait a minute, Zerk. You'll have to listen to the reply. You've has been mentioned. Wait a minute, you'll have to listen to the reply.
You've missed the middle.
Wait a minute, we went down a religion fucking rabbit hole.
Dude, you're going to be waking up tomorrow, right?
You've got work and you're like, I'm going to put this replay on.
Dude, you'll be fucking laughing your head off, mate.
I'm telling you.
Sorry, mate, I didn't want to interject,
but I had to just update you on the current Rack FM situation.
Jerk, how do you like to take your vitamin D?
Well, I was going to be more direct, Bands.
Did you vote Liberal or Conservative?
I voted for the Green Party.
You already know that.
The Green Party, man. i i saw the poly market
poll i told you uh or was it ambito and and you already know you don't even need to vote rama it's
it's 95 for you know you can go to poly markets it's how it's easy in australia yeah i i put a
bunch of money on pierre and then i saw my money 2x and i didn't
realize on polymark it's the first time that i voted uh using polymark i could have just treated
it like a shit coin and just got my money out yeah you just flip it right it's a shoe in i was
like this is the shoe in it's already flipped i got like a two and a half x here i'm gonna sit on
this i'm gonna make some easy and And I was like, five minutes later,
CBC,
the fucking government funded bullshit.
We're like 99%.
We're calling it like a minute later,
like two seats.
There's 7% of the vote counted.
And like,
we're calling it for the liberals.
And I was like,
you motherfuckers.
You should have sold what you should have sold.
Right.
It's like a shit court.
It's like that game where the rock's up and up and up and up and down.
It's like Canadians.
It doesn't get much lower than that.
And now I know.
Guys, yeah, you 2X, you already won.
I'm going to make a controversial statement.
I might get a lot of hate for this, but the way I see Canada, it has two routes.
One, it becomes the 51st state.
Or two, Canadia stand.
Your choice.
Well, like the way I see it is they're just doing what they do best which is
being french and putting up the white flag like oh we don't want to fight what little bitches we're
just gonna like sit up here and be happy here's the black flag or the white flag there is a black
or white flag the white flag right white yeah like they're like the french like oh we don't
want to fight like we give up we surrender that's french like oh we don't want to fight like we give up
we surrender that's the white flag you don't want to fight that's the white flag yeah
all right i'm sure you just said blah i'll have to go about my replay i thought you said black
you're so tired it's cool like oh i'm just happy that you're here right now man fine
I'm just happy that you're here right now, man.
Fine.
Put up the white flag.
They put up the white flag.
So there's so much animosity between...
I think Australia fought for its independence.
I didn't know this.
This is news to me, Rarma.
Please educate me.
I'm sorry.
I'm from Canada.
I don't have all the history lessons.
I just like taking the piss.
Like, I don't know too much about uh i
know you have like french canadier which i always find hilarious and i like ripping the
out of the french because they always like they surrendered during the war like oh walk down with
the white flags like oh we don't want to fight we give up so anytime i hear french i just like
laughing at them that's all yeah anytime i hear robo's accent or like a british accent i just envision dumping out
a bunch of tea into a harbor and i'm like yeah this is why we did this yeah yeah i tell you what though listen i've had i've had one of the best times i've had this year
uh tonight we've got rounded in on roughly about 15 minutes right like we go we can paper but we
gonna we are gonna end it so that like we don't make
finn's life like miserable he already hates us right now there's no we're hitting on like four
hours i think oh my god it's it's quarter to two so if you guys are gonna wrap it up i'll join in
unrecorded and listen in while i go to sleep but i i need you i need to head to bed i gotta go to work in like four hours
b bands would have to b bands would have to horse that while i get home
i'm good all right we have
hey uh curious come back though curious come back soon right all right and and you know rama you know
we love you you if i ever see you guys there i'll happily jump on it it's been beautiful to hear
from like people like rama circus sefi curious like all he is man at sentinel earlier hey man
we love you all right b bands will tell you like rack fm man we are the
public square we are the town square and everybody gets a right to jump up on the soapbox and say
what the they like and on that note i just want to say thank you very much to the hostess with
the most s b bands b bands from the block you know what i mean there's nobody like
our b bands and shout out red eye who has slowly but surely become a very incremental part of what
we're trying to do and he's like he's got our backs and he's like oh man i'm there for the boy
but uh people man this is a show right where you need to put on your boots because we're taking you back to your roots right the place you birth planet earth it's called rack fm spaces 69.420 fm on the recorded space
you're about to hit a thing right now good night and god bless wherever you are in this bloody
beautiful world i fucking love the lot of you take. Good night and God bless.
