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RAC FM Weekly Roundup: Rarma and Robo chatting 🥳
Recorded: June 9, 2023 Duration: 2:45:51Space Recording
Full Transcription
I'm out and about at the minute, but we'll just get the room, a few people in, all right, son.
Give it a minute, kid. Let me get this DM'd and shit.
Hey, man, I'm just DMing this to a few people's signal, all right? I'll be with you in a minute, matey.
Oh, of course, man. Oh, don't worry about me.
Two minutes, man. We'll get the crew in. Get as many as we can in.
I'll be dropping the beginning, mate. I'll be dropping the beginning, because if I don't, then Finn's only going to use his pirate voice to fucking do one on the Spotify.
And iTunes fucking recording. So if I don't do a beginning, Finn will do it. So I'm trying to front run him, you see.
No, I understand that. You don't want Finn to do anything.
I've got a few more people to DM, bro, and then I'll be with you a lot, all right?
Do you need anyone? Do you need a co-host today? Or are you good for hosting, like, just for so you don't get rubbed?
No, he should do, mate. He should have B-Bands coming in. He should be putting the kid on the bus, I think, right now.
Perfect.
But I don't know. Bruce is going to join us. I'm just sending him a quick DM, maybe.
But I'll be with you guys in a split second, all right?
I really want Bruce back. I really want Bruce back. He's in love, and he's having to work.
So I'm, like, I'm distraught without wingman, you know?
Are you saying you need a Bruce replacement?
Temporarily? You need a temp Bruce?
Well, I've got your, listen, I mean, yes, mate, I do.
But I've got, I have got your woman, but you know what it's like, bro, right?
Like, sisters and brothers, no matter what we say, like, the do, the kind of bounce and
the way, you know, B-Bands is the number one without a shadow of a doubt, like, without
a shadow of a doubt. I just, I'm missing, I'm missing Brucey, man. I'm missing me Arnie,
me Arnie Alpha. You know what I mean? That's what I'm missing.
You're missing the, I won't do it. I don't have the gumption.
I'm missing the Arnie Alpha, mate. I really am, like, anyway, mate, you sound, I mean,
you've been on for hours today with, we'll get this one up the way with quickly. You've
been on hours today with ghosts, right? Fucking hours and hours, yeah.
I don't, do I sound, I don't sound bad, right?
No, no, no, mate, you don't, you don't.
Do I sound put together? If I sound, like, drunk?
Let me know.
No, you sound, like, I'll tell you what you sound, you sound, yeah, like, is tired the
right word? Do you know when you're just, like, oh, like, sitting in your comfy chair
and you, like, take a big sigh out and you're, like, ah.
You mean boring? I sound boring.
No, no, no, no. So yous were going, I mean, yous were going for serious hours today.
Was that on the back?
But was that on the back of that Senor Riley's fucking space?
Like, like, someone did a four-hour space about Adam. I heard stories about Jake fucking
shouting or something at the top before he said, like, I wasn't on that space. I was
working on it. I did a brand new workshop, the day signal. So, like, I was really fucking
hyped and busy as folk, and, like, today was go, go, go for me. Like, so.
I'm wrapping a project that's led by the Singapore branch of our company, and we're, like, done
next week. So I've just been doing that. So I've just been working on, like, fucking Singapore
time the last. So I'm all discombobulated. You know what I mean? I'm, like, half local,
half Singapore. And it's, like, very hard because it's, like, late night here. So you, like, you're
doing your work, and you're, like, hey, maybe I'll pour myself a drink while I'm, like, editing
this document. You know what I mean? So I ended up having a couple drinks by the time
it's 6 a.m. here, and then I go to sleep and then wake up at noon. You know what I mean?
Mate, couple of cheeky sherbets. Couple of cheeky sherbets when you do a night shift never
hurt anybody, right?
That's the status you find me in here. I want to talk to you about my dogs. Not here.
But, well, maybe later. If you want to throw to something, I got some dog talk later. So.
Okay, mate. Well, I mean, we, I'm not going to say we're going to try and keep it on point.
I did send you a co-host, by the way, dude, just in case I do get rogues, right? Oh, there you go.
I mean, I'm not going to say we're going to keep it focused because there is a lot of fucking shit
talking, and there's a lot of stuff being going on. Juno's got this new working team. I think it's
quite an interesting little soundbite this week. But, I mean, we'll, we'll, well, how
many have we got? Six? All right. I'll tell you what. We'll, we'll keep it going a little
bit until the room fills up, and then Finn can just cut this shit, which he always does
anyway. Right. Dude, come on, quickly. Give us the dog story. What's the, what's the crack?
Come on. Come on. What's happened? Me? With? Yeah. What were you, you said wild dog at
first, and then you went, oh, no, the dog's not wild. The story's wild or something. What's
going on, mate? Oh, no. I mean, okay, it's not actually a big story. But you'll get it as
like a, a, a dog person. Um, so my mother bred these dogs, Border Collies, purebred Border
Collies, like, beautiful. Like, these are hunting class, uh, uh, like, agility class,
the kind of things you put in, in any kind of, like, tournament, kind of, like, they're
very, very nice quality. Um, and then sold to, unfortunately, to this, this family that
the person that said they're buying them, it wasn't actually that person. It was, like,
their sibling. It was, like, okay, I'm buying them, and then they actually, like, turns out
that they're giving the dogs to their sister or whatever. But I ended up getting both back
because these people can't take care of these dogs. Um, and first, it was one. So it says
that they messaged me in January. They'd had the dogs at that point about six months, from
puppy to six months. So, okay, lovely. They got puppies. And then the puppies became dogs,
right? And then they messaged me. I, we're, we're, we're very, um, responsible about this
kind of stuff. So we're, like, keeping close contact with anyone who bought dogs from, from
her, right? Um, and then they, uh, at that point, they were, like, yeah, we need to give
them both back. And I said, okay, fine. I'll take them back. And then they kind of wish-washed.
They gave me one out of two. And then, like, a month later, they were, like, oh, we want
to give you the other one. I was, like, sure. Just give them both back. Like, we'll take
them. We're going to make sure that they have a forever home kind of thing. Um, and we're
also, from that point, like, very concerned, right? You're, like, worried that, okay, fuck,
we accidentally sent dogs to a home where there's these people that are not great owners or,
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know what it's like in their house, but you know what
I mean? Um.
I would have done the same thing in your position, though.
You know what I mean, though? And then, so I have one of two, right? And then, so they
say, okay, we'll give you, we're going to give you the other one next month. And then
they don't. And then another, and the next month, they say, we want to give you the other
one. Again, I say, okay, sure. Um, and then nothing, no message from them. And then they
messaged me, uh, last month, just, like, recently. And they say, oh, we want to give you the other
one. We're, we're 100% sure. We can't take good care of it. And by, oh, sorry. And by
the way, as background, when I got the first one back from them, this was a dog that was
about, yeah, seven months old. It was not well socialized. It was not, like, leash trained.
Like, I, I took it out. Like, I'm, I'm very serious about the stuff. Yeah. I'm walking
around the neighborhood and it was like, you know, having a lot of troubles. It's, it's,
he has like recovered a bunch since or he's a very good dog now, but it was like shit when
I first got him. Right. So I'm worried this whole fucking time about the second dog. I'm
like, fuck, they have the second dog that they're not, um, taking good care of. Right. And
then, so then they finally give it to me this month. They messaged me on Saturday out of
the blue. And I've mentioned it for a while saying like, please give me a timeline. If
you want to give up this dog, just give me a timeline. Messaged me on Saturday night at
9 p.m. saying, we're bringing the dog over tomorrow, Sunday morning. So I say, okay, absolutely
bring it over. And then they just don't show up. And then, so I messaged them like in the
afternoon, like, where are you guys? Like, oh yeah, sorry. We're like, not sure if we're
going to bring it by. I was like, just please bring the dog. So they bring it over. Uh, so
now I have it and he's a beautiful dog. He's not well socialized. It's like very clear
that he has a lot of social, uh, social issues like with strangers and with being on leash.
They didn't like walk them on leash and stuff like shit like that. But then they messaged
me today. This is the, this whole fucking, sorry, stupid story is building up to this.
And then they messaged me today at noon and say, Hey, we want to come and pick up the dogs
and take them back. And I was like, okay, like, listen, guys, like, did you tell
them to fuck right off? Did you, did you say like literally fuck right off? Cause
that's what I would have said to them. Well, that's what, that's what, that's
what I'm trying to mediate between. I'm the middle man a little bit here. Cause
my mother would tell them to go fucking kill themselves. Um, but I'm like, I'm
like, yeah, okay. I'm trying. I saw, I was like, okay, I understand. Like maybe you
should wait a little bit with your decision-making. So let's talk next week.
Give me a call this kind of shit. Uh, but obviously I don't fucking want to give the
dogs back to them, but I also don't want to like necessarily take someone's dog.
You get what I'm talking about though? This stuff is like, it's tough, man.
I don't know.
Well, I do. I do want to welcome baby. But very quickly, I'm going to say this to
your signal and you maybe can give me your reasoning. I'm very surprised you walked
out of there in the first place with only one. Cause I think I'd have been like, nah, fuck that.
You're not giving one back and like leaving the other. I'm taking the two of
them. And like, I'm just the kind of guy where they're like, fuck it. Come on.
Well, I, I, I wasn't fully aware of the situation and it wasn't me going to their
place. It was them coming and dropping one off at my house. Right. I don't even
know where these people live. Right. And as my mom sold them to him, I'm like the
intermediary here. Right. So that's why my decision making was like that.
Right. Okay. I get that. You need to be careful. Okay. It's not like,
it was you. It's like, it's called, it's sort of indirectly linked. I get that.
But, uh, oh, I hear people who didn't look after the dogs more than yourself, you
know? And you know what I mean? I'm like a kind of slow mover on stuff or I'm like
careful. Um, yeah. Oh, that, that dog stuff kills me, man. But right now I got these
two beautiful, if anybody here needs border collie, these two gorgeous border
collies, uh, that I'm taking care of.
Hey, B Barnes. Good morning.
Hey, oh my God. What a terrible, what a terrible thing to do to give your dogs away
and then call the next day and say that they want them back. The fuck? Like, I
don't, I don't even.
Right.
Like, I just don't even understand. Like it would be hard enough. Like my dogs drive
me insane, but it would drive me. Like I would be hard enough to like give them away. Like
that would be like a huge decision that I would really, really have to have thought
through. And then, and then you give it to somebody, a person gets like attached and
starts having this dog. And then you tell them to you, what the fuck? I'm sorry. This
is just no, no, no bueno. It's not good for me.
Exactly. Yeah. Thank you, B-Mans. Yeah. It's like, I don't know. And, and so it's like
they're, they're bred. Uh, my mother owns the, uh, the bitch. Sorry to use those words.
That's fine. She's a bitch.
Right. So, so, so it's like, uh, at least where I live in the province, we like legally
have responsibility for, you know what I mean? For like the dog, for the rest of
his life. So it's like this, we're also like, and also like from a fucking, uh, I
don't know, moral perspective, we're just like very concerned about them. So it's
like so stressful. You, I don't know, you give, you, I don't know, you sell a puppy
to the wrong person and then you just feel sick for so long. Correct. That's kind of
like, uh, I don't know. It's, it's, it's really tough. Uh, my mom like made the sale
with people. I'm like managing this whole thing. This doesn't matter to anyone other
than me, but I got the dogs now, but this is like my shit. Uh, this was saying to, I
want to talk to you about this privately. I've got several, I've got several dog breed
friends back home. Like it's quite a common thing in England, man. England's just a dog
country, but, uh, they have like sort of like, uh, you know, backyard breeders before and
like, there's had to be, you know, interventions and cops called and all sorts of stuff. Like
mate, I mean, when it comes to like looking after animals, you got to remember my mom was
like a magistrate for 26 years. Right. She actually sat on like the, the worst case
of, uh, animal cruelty ever recorded in the UK. Cause in a, in animal cruelty, you can't
go higher than a magistrate court. It's really weird. You don't go to crown court for it.
Right. And, uh, it happened to be when my mom was like the head of the bench and, uh,
there's a newspaper in England called the sun. She was basically on the front page of the
sun. Right. And obviously not named cause I don't name it. Right. They just like gave
her age and like called like the, the, the chair, the chair magistrate, right. The chair
of the bench. Basically she ran out of the fucking like courtroom fucking crying, like,
like literally burst in hysterics of like, bro, man, you've got to be taking care of fucking
animals, man. Sorry. Like you've got to be taking care of people in general, but like
fucking animals, man, they kind of look after themselves as a thing. They're like kids and
they're like babies. Right. Yeah. There's like, I don't know. There are people who have
what I feel is the right perspective where you're just like making this, the decision based
off the animal, like you're just looking at their life and say, okay, I, you know, I'm
the, you know, people say like forever home or whatever, or otherwise, even if you're not
just making the decision based on what is in the best interest of the animal. And then there's
this other like kind of small group of people that I don't know. They don't, they just don't
see it like that, which is, it's tough to deal with anyway. So I'll show you the picture
of these dogs. These, these are the most gorgeous dogs you've ever seen in your life. And they're
beautiful. They're like, the personalities are incredible. You know, they're, they're just
like on top of you on the couch, like the sweetest animals in the world. And anyway, I'm failing
you, bro. I fucking basically fucking got divorced to end up fucking keeping Winston in the end,
man. I mean, pretty much like, like before Winston, there was like relative like calm and
peace in the house and pretty much everything was all right. And the four, four dogs that
we had kind of got along. And then Winston came and fucking changed everything. Like, like
literally my marriage went downhill a minute. Like I said, Winston's going nowhere kind of
thing. And that's the fucking truth.
Nevermind. Uh, B-Bans. Hello, B-Bans. Have you been off ramping through Binance US at
all or not? Did you see Binance's letter today? Everybody get your money out quickly out the
US. The normal Binance.
Oh, I didn't see, I didn't see their, um, I didn't see that.
Nine hours ago, Binance published a letter. Uh, the rhetoric is fantastic because the repeat
aggressive tactics several times. The, uh, basically the banks, the bank and partners are rugging
Binance US. So the minute this has happened, Gensler's got his bank and friends to pull the
rug. So like off ramping, you need to find other places to off ramp. Uh, the same, if
it's not out by the 15th, that it'll all be converted to like a stable coins, your USD.
However, they reckon that the bank and support, uh, might be kaput, like literally kaput by the
13th. So Binance US is going to a crypto only exchange. You'll be able to like literally
on chain, uh, withdrawn deposit. Uh, but it will be a 100% crypto only exchange. Everything
else will be the same, the staking and blah, blah, blah, everything, right. That they've
got going on collateral, whatever. But that is like the main kind of like, uh, sort of thing
that's happening. And I think the day that was the big news and you know what this is, I'm going
to say this on record and I might be wrong. I think this is one of the greatest moments in
crypto history. This, this is going to galvanize the fucking industry. Like we've never seen before
prepare for a fucking long and dirty fight over this. Like it's amazing. I'm really bullish
right now. Like I think now it's the best time to accumulate that you're probably you're going to
get in ahead of like the bull market in 2025. Yeah. That's just what I think. Like, I mean,
I literally was in the dispensary yesterday and, um, the, the bud tender was like, Hey man,
cause he like follows me on Twitter. He's like, um, I, you know, he wanted to like talk about
ledgers and I was like, Oh my goodness. And then I was like really excited. And then, um,
he sent me a voice note trying to, he's like trying to figure out how, like about onboarding
onto like Fiat into crypto and stuff. And I'm like, okay. Um, we just kind of talked for a
little bit. So did you tell him, did you tell him kid or money? Did you not tell him kid or no?
Well, I, I forgot to, um, I said, I can, I can send him a DM and let him know that,
but I gave him some options of how he could onboard money. But, um, I DM dudes all the time,
babe. And they answer me back.
What's, what's the biggest issue though? Is it, is it on ramp or not off ramp? Cause it's
off ramp. And that's the issue really, isn't it?
Why is it an issue to off ramp?
No, but getting your profits out is like what you want. Getting your profits out.
I was like talking to him about profit and he's like, have you heard of Matic?
I was like, yes, sir. He was like, okay. I was like, well, you know, Matic is down. I mean,
it was a dollar 23 months ago. And it's like 75 cents. He's like, Matic is 75 cents. Oh,
I got to get on this conversation. Like outside of like web three, like how we usually all chat
in here. Lord Jesus. Did you, I'm sorry. Did you see Arbitrum this week? Uh, I mean,
B bands, you're saying you love chilling over on Arbitrum. Talk to me.
What about Arbitrum? The new drop? I mean, what have you stopped? It stopped, didn't it?
Oh yeah. I mean, it halted like, but it wasn't halt for that long. Just halt. It was a little
bug. It halted and they fixed it. Right. I mean, doesn't that shit happen all the time?
It shouldn't do.
Well, Solana did it and they're still doing really good. I mean, they did it like 15 times
and everybody still loves them.
No, not funny. Okay. I thought it was funny.
And Bands, I'm sorry. Yeah. Bands, I want to ask, okay.
I remember I asked you in like the, the other, some other thing, like you're, if you were in
your gelato hat. Yeah. I feel like you're in like 25 teams now.
No, I'm only in, I'm only on two teams, the gelato team and, oh, gelato team, hangout,
team Rack FM and the Maki Bomba. That's it.
You're not in space, Skelly's anymore?
No, I stepped down. It was just too much. There's so much going on and stuff like that.
I needed to just focus.
Fair enough. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. I just want, like, I can only do, like, I honestly feel like, what'd you
say? The peanut gallery over here is commenting, speaking a lot. I'm going to put my headphones
on. Okay. I was like, I'm just joking. I'm messing with my husband. Sorry. But yeah, I
needed to just kind of like decide what, you know, what part, you know, what I want to
do in Web 3. Like, I've only been here three years now, you know?
Yeah.
It feels, do you feel like you're, like, a hot commodity?
Do you know what I mean? Like, headhunted kind of thing?
Not at all. Not even a little bit. I feel like, no. I feel like, you know the filler?
Like, you make a meal, right? And you have, like, you got your protein, you got your vegetables,
you got your freaking, I don't know, fruit as a side. And then you got your filler, because
mama's on a budget, so you put rice, potatoes. I feel like I'm like the rice.
But a lot of people want to buy rice, though. But yeah, people love rice. So, like, I mean,
I don't know. If this was England, you'd be a roast potato. They are, like, the finest
little, most delicous thing that we like, you'd be a roast potato.
Yeah, with a little rosemary and some olive oil and stuff like that. I'd be just right,
little.
Stop talking dirty.
B fans, wait a minute. Gelato. Very quickly, because I know we've got new speakers. Very
quickly, I do want to bring in about gelato. So, Ray Raspberry's in my DMs. And I'm going
to be neutral on this. I'm going to be Switzerland. Right. Okay. Ray's been, like, talking about
it's the fourth collection. It's revenue share, blah, blah. Our existing owner's being diluted.
And he's, like, looking at ROI, you know, because of how expensive they are, etc. And he's
like, oh, it's between three and eight years ROI, blah, blah, whatever. I'm going to come
out and say something here that might be controversial, B fans. And, you know, I'm sorry for speaking
my mind, but I'm just going to say this. I saw the release of the artwork and I went,
that's not gelato. That's Women of Cosmos. Like, all right, they might have a little, like,
gelato tattoo or something. But, like, the queens that they did, the third one, yeah, that,
like, that fit in with, like, the branding. But this seems to me like it's, like, I don't
know, it seems really weird. Like, I know I'm not being, I didn't want to say anything
bad. I just think it's not a fucking good brand fit at all, that, mind you. Regardless
of, like, what the cost is, you know, the ROI based on the revenues gelato is generating.
I know the idea is to scale, yeah?
I mean, I don't know. I like the collection. I think it's cool. I think that adding something
different, especially with the Woman of Cosmos, and she has, like, really, really good art.
And the fact that they're kind of, like, I don't know, doing this, like, bondage kind
of, like, sexy, like, thing. And I like it because it's different and it appeals to, like,
a different crowd. You know what I mean? Like, not everybody wants a gelato or, like, a pixelated
picture or, like, AI. You know, some people just want, like, different things. You know
what I mean? I like my, I love all of my NFTs that I've gotten from gelato. Like, I freaking
love them. And I think I'm going to, I'm really excited about the Woman of Cosmos one because
it's like a partnership and it allows the different crowd to also see what's going on
here. But, you know, maybe I'm just being too. So many people are doing collaborations.
It's just, like, the next thing to do. I don't know. Maybe I'm reading.
Is it diluting? Right. Okay. Is it, has it got a separate revenue stream or not? Or is
this a combined revenue stream with the other previous, like, NFTs? Because is it a dilution
or not?
There is going to be, like, you know, portions or percentages that they get from the house and
stuff like that. But I'm still learning all of the, like, rules for gelato and, like,
not rules, but, like, all the things going on and how the disbursements happen and all
that. So that is still all new to me. They're, like, the gelato chat never stops. It's, like,
going probably 24 hours a day. I walk away and there's, like, a hundred. And this is, I'm
talking about the core team. So it's a lot. And I'm excited and stuff, but I'm still trying
to, like, find my place. Does that make sense?
Of course. Yeah. I just, you know, I mean, Ray is a, is a character, but he always looks
at these things, you know, and it cropped up in conversation.
Yeah. What was, um, well, first, first, I just, Rarma has a microphone and I just want
to say hi to Rarma so hard.
Of course.
Rarma.
Hello.
Hey, Vance. How you doing?
Oh, so good. How are you?
I'm okay. I'm, uh, I'm just chilling. I was, uh, invited in. So I thought I'd
pop up and say hello. Uh, Soy.
It was me. I did that.
It was you? Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Vance. I also want to say, um.
My little heart is, like, beating so fast right now.
You've got heart complications.
Okay.
No, I'm going to calm down.
Um, I just wanted to quickly say, um, Soy, congratulations for a new twin launch
because, uh, big achievement. Uh, I still fucking hate you and you're a piece of shit
and, uh, your chain is worthless. Uh, you know, all the normal things, right?
Like, um, uh, really nice attempt of, like, trying to steal stream swap from Omniflix,
which is an amazing, uh, liquidity bootstrapping solution. Um, but other than that, like, uh,
Hey, like, you know, nice, nice work. Still love that you're rocking the duck. Uh, really
cool. Um, but you know, all the best for your future endeavors, uh, giving Adam most of
your liquidity, most of your revenue, all those normal things. So, um, congrats. And I'm so
glad that you finally unstaked all your Adam and, uh, bought Arbitrum, which holds it the
other day, which is really cool. So congratulations for that. Um, meanwhile, like you've got me
over here, like holding my Juno bags, the zero. So like, I'm not like this night in shining armor.
Um, you know, uh, 35 cents, I think it is at the moment, something like that. So it's, uh, it's
really cool that, um, you know, we can both be here holding our cosmos bags to zero, uh, with having
like a really small portion of our investment, like outside of Juno and neutron and cosmos.
And like, just like barely like pulling the, uh, the thread of hope in the Ethereum ecosystem.
Cause I think that's like, that's, that's, that keeps going down, Marma. Are you going
to keep DCAing to like, to kind of like, uh, make up for the times that you bought Juno at
its heights? I mean, are you going to like keep DCAing?
I think, uh, no, it's like the same thing with Adam, right? It's just like cosmos at
the moment is just like, the way I see it is like, I cleaned my teeth this morning.
I flossed them. And what I'm doing is like, I'm like pulling myself up with the floss that
I just cleaned my teeth with. So like every now and then, like, I might like grab a nice
chunky piece of like meat that I ate a month ago that I like pulled out of my teeth.
And I'm like, ah, yes, I'm one step closer to like Ethereum where I can pay $70 for one
transaction, but at least I can make some money on like one NFT, you know, like that's, that's
kind of the thread of hope that I have for cosmos at the moment.
That's like one of the most disgusting analogies I've ever heard, Marma, but, um, really happy
for you.
Does he know, does he know he's got Bendy on the payroll or not?
Neutron's got Bendy on the payroll to build a DAO over there.
Do you know, my question, my question is like, it's not just Bendy.
It's like, who isn't on the payroll for Neutron?
Like early investors, um, VCs, um, I, I don't know how, but somehow like soy managed to get
like his little hands on like, uh, some, you know, some, some tokens as a community member.
Wasn't it a 3% of the total supply or something?
Yeah.
Something like that is really strange, but, um, yeah, you know, Hey, like, you know, more
power to you, right?
Like, uh, like ever, anyone can laugh at Juno from here, right?
Like if you're Neutron, if you're, who are, you know, even Comdex at the moment is like
looking down on, on Juno and just been like, we watched traded and we're still fucking winning.
So, um, Hey, like more power to you.
Right.
So I wanted to mention, you said that soy's little hands, soy has a really big hands.
That's just something I want to be clear about with everyone.
Like, well, you know, there's, there's, there's scale in comparison, right?
Like big hands to some, not big hands for others.
When you say signal, when you say that he's got big hands and such a low and like, it's
almost like a sexy voice, a little signal.
It's kind of like, okay, we believe you.
We believe you.
It's because you've been hanging around with Gus.
No, isn't it?
Because you've been hanging around with Gus all day today.
You and Gus have been proper perv city today.
I heard you like all the innuendos.
You're like proper tortured Gus today.
You're like.
You're using me of innuendo.
I was calling Gus a pervert.
And I was calling him out for his sick innuendo and his questions.
When Gus is like, come on, come on.
Which, which song touched you the most?
And you're like, dude, you sound like a creepy fella.
Like, show me on the doll.
Well, don't you think, don't you think that was fair though?
The way he asked the questions.
I thought that was fair.
No, I have, I have very small hands for a man.
So I always like really respect guys like soy who have big hands.
I've heard he's like six foot three.
Yeah.
Soy.
Is it about, is it about five kg?
I've heard.
Like a humunculus, you know?
You're a little fella like, aren't you?
You are when I think about it.
I've met you in person.
Yeah.
Oh, you're big though.
You're thick.
You know, them Canadian fellas.
I mean, you're a little.
He said, he said you're small, but you're thick.
Like, wow.
Wow.
No, his shoulders, his shoulders are like twice the size of fucking mine.
Like he's proper thick.
He's like me dad, you know, like not tall.
But like when you look at him side on, you're like, oh, I didn't want to.
You wouldn't want to clip off Signal.
I'll tell you.
He'd fucking hurt.
And just, and, and just recently, um, having been involved with Signal a little bit more
on like the intellectual side, he might be like physically big, but intellectually, he'll
also fuck you up.
Like the man level, next level.
The man.
Yeah.
So like, uh, the whole, like, you know, shit on Juno all you want and I'm here for it.
Right.
Who hasn't shit on Juno time to time, but, uh, Signal is like, I was like, Hey, you seem
like a pretty chill mind.
Like, you know, you bring some skill sets and he's just like, Rama, it's time for you to
shut the fuck up.
And I think that was like, maybe the second time in my life that anyone's ever said that
to me.
I was like, all right, man.
Like, you could just chill.
Like, daddy, please calm down.
And he's just like, just.
Bro, bro.
I'm telling you, I was, I was with him for five minutes and he starts telling me about
this fucking paper he wrote on fucking political correctness in fucking Java when he was
fucking 16 years old or something like, oh, dude, calm down.
Come on.
I thought I'd seen the world.
Wait, hold on.
I missed.
Who are we talking about right now?
I missed this.
Fucking Signal's got one of the biggest brains.
I mean, his head is quite large to tell you the truth.
Like.
No, he really do have.
Well.
From what I've seen, he has a huge brain.
And I'm just saying because.
That's in crypto.
You want to fucking talk to him about fucking macro geopolitics, fucking economic, fucking social
fucking issues across.
My goodness.
He'll put the vast majority of most people I've ever met in my life to fucking shame like
no shit.
Yeah.
Yeah, I know.
I need to.
I got to shave my head.
Oh, I used to shave my head for several years.
I was.
I was big.
Sorry.
Can I just briefly interrupt?
Sorry.
Yeah.
As an experienced man with shaving your head.
I'd just like to say the brethren would welcome you to the Shaved Head Society.
So, um, it might, you know, there's two ways this can go.
It can increase or decrease your IQ.
But what I can guarantee is that it multiplies your sex appeal by like at least 50 X.
So get amongst it.
Guys, does it get cold in the winter?
I've never had a, well, I have had short hair like, but it's a broad.
Can I ask you, in the winter, when you've got a bald head, does it get cold or what?
Um, it, so, so, Ramer, I want to say just for a second, I did keep my head like shaved clean for a couple of years.
Um, and then I grew it out recently because I'm getting married in, uh, September.
Um, so I'm growing it out so that I can, I'm just growing it out for fun and then I'll get it cut back to like a nice haircut for the wedding.
Um, but I was, uh, the big thing for me when you shave your head is when it grows it a little bit, you go full.
Like you have like a Velcro head, but you can't even put a fucking shirt on without it like sticking to your head.
Or at least for me in Western Canada, walking through the forest.
Sorry, dude.
I'm laughing so much.
I'm sorry.
You walk through the forest here and fall and like leaves are falling and you'll just get these like bright, uh, orange or yellow leaves like stuck on your head, which is nice.
Right.
And then you take them home and like, uh, press them in wax paper and make a, uh, a portfolio out of it.
It's almost like you got metal detector, but it's only like, it's a, it detects like leaves and other things and you get to like, oh, well, let's see what treasures I've gotten from my walk.
Like, yeah, but Rama, yeah, exactly.
But Rama knows what I'm talking about.
But yeah, as soon as I also, I want to say I stopped shaving my head about, um, 18 months ago.
And as soon as I stopped shaving my head, I just stopped working out because when you're a bald guy, you have this like real, uh, necessity to be, I need, I'm going to interrupt you.
Right.
And I'll do this.
I'm not even the host.
I'm the co-host.
I'm not part of Rack FM is this masculine urge and this drive and this determination.
Like I'm a bald motherfucker.
I am masculine.
I am the fucking king of the jungle.
And what I'm going to do is I'm going to show off the only features that I have, which is not my scalp, but my beard and my shoulders and the fact that I have a thinner waist than my shoulders and no bullshit.
Straight up.
Straight up.
That's what it is.
It's like, if I'm rocking no hair on my head, the only thing that I have is like, I can't show off my jawline anymore.
Cause I have to shave that shit.
Right.
Because if you have a bald head, no beard, what are you doing with yourself?
Right.
So you're going to sound like Joe Rogan.
The bald head and no beard.
Yeah.
Like you're Joe Rogan, right?
It's like, oh, you have huge shoulders.
And then like, if you're Joe Rogan, like you're obviously taking steroids.
So like you, you're not going to have like the triangle shape down to your hips.
Right.
Doesn't he look like a peanut?
He looks like a peanut, doesn't he?
Joe Rogan.
And when you look at him, it's like a peanut, a nice big fella, but it's like a peanut.
Like out of the shell.
I mean, out of the shell.
The worst thing is like, like as he gets older, he just like less of a peanut and more like a pistachio or something like that.
You need to crack.
And it's like all shriveled.
It's like, oh yeah.
Amazing.
Cool.
That's really, it's really nice.
Tastes great.
Nice and salty, but nothing else.
You know what I mean?
He could take, he could take us three though.
He could take me, you and Signal, I reckon.
No problem.
Right.
Oh, listen to this.
Coin.
Oh, sorry.
Coin Landon Major's got his hand up.
But Signal, do you want to retort what Rama said about you looking like a peanut?
It's not a, not me.
I think he was talking about Rogan.
I do look like a peanut sometimes.
Maybe like a boiled peanut or one that was like sort of lost on the sidewalk.
Yo, I'm laughing right now, but I swear I thought you said penis.
And that's why I was laughing because I really thought you said that at first because I was
talking to my husband and I'm like, I think that the reason that, you know, somebody might
find, you know, bald head, you know, sexy or whatever is because of the top, the way
it looks the top of the head.
You know, it's almost like an aphrodisiac just walking around, you know what I mean?
And then you're like, oh my God, hotness.
You know, it's just, I don't know.
I was kind of talking to my husband.
Well, he, he agreed, but maybe.
You get a little, you get a little tattoo at the top.
So it looks like there's like a slit, like a tip thing.
So it looks exactly like a penis.
Do you know, do you know, I've lived in my house.
You know, I've lived in my house over six.
I've lived in my house over six years now.
And do you want to know something?
Every fucking day.
And I've lived in my house over six years now and I'm not shitting you.
It's right.
Every fucking day, the Indian dude comes around on his bicycle to fucking sell peanuts around
the street and asks me every day if I want, when I'm sitting outside, he's like shaking
the bag and I'm like, nah, dude.
And I've been telling her no every day for fucking six years.
And the con still drives past and asks me every fucking day.
Does anybody know if you've been to Thailand, if you know the peanut sellers?
Yeah, of course.
One day, I'm just going to have to give him 20 baht and tell him to fuck off permanently.
Like, like, I'm going to have to go there.
The peanut sellers, all of them bald, right?
Correct, yeah.
He never gives a bag.
We've got CoinLandonPage.
Now, CoinLandonPage is here.
Now, this is quite an interesting one for a Friday night.
Because I'm lurking around on the grapevine, I've been hearing a few things.
But he had his hand up.
Welcome back, CoinLandonPage.
Long time no see.
Hey, a long time no see, indeed.
And I thought, like, okay, what are they talking about?
What is weekly roundup?
But you're just talking about bald people.
So, I guess I didn't miss much.
We've been talking about Binance.
We've been talking about a few things.
Hey.
I mean.
But speaking from experience, because I've been bald for a little while.
Hell yeah.
Don't go too heavy and muscling up.
Because you might start to look like a thumb.
Oh, well, like Mark Zuckerberg.
You mean like Zuckerberg.
Zuckerberg looks like a thumb.
Did anybody see him at those congressional hearings?
If your shoulders get too big, your neck just starts to disappear.
And, you know, it just looks like a thumb sticking out.
He, when he was doing the MMA.
If anybody saw Zuckerberg doing the MMA, my God, what a setup that was.
Right.
I'll tell you what.
I'm going to spring a fucking surprise on like 99% of the room.
Coin landing page.
You don't have to speak if you don't want to.
I'm really glad you're here.
It's been brought to my attention kind of like earlier in the week or whatever.
That maybe someone might have reached out to you and talked to you about Coin landing page.
And then proceeded to ghost you and maybe do their own project.
Am I on the grapevine?
Am I smelling things that's been going on with Coin landing page?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, you don't have to talk.
I even communicated to you guys about this, that I was being contacted about people wanting to work together and maybe even like acquire.
You did.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah.
Coin landing page.
Yeah, you did.
Yeah.
And then they proceeded to offer me a job.
And I was like, oh, well, I'd be down to listen and to see what we can do.
And then even apart from the job, I proposed a couple collaborations of way to collaborate so that we like build together instead of like the same thing, basically.
But yeah, like the thing is, you can't stop anyone from building the same thing.
I don't necessarily have a problem with that.
But the sad thing or like the little bit disappointing thing is the fact that they're denying that I wanted to collaborate.
And I mean, that's really where it starts to be a little bit annoying because you're like, man.
And then it's not just there because it involves some other people and their job.
And so it's not even the person who wants to do the same is not even making it themselves.
They're asking a group to do it.
And this group is getting no more funding from them.
So it's like a very strange situation.
I'm getting caught up in some secondary drama, basically.
But yeah, I don't necessarily know too well how to deal with this.
But apart from that, I mean, it's been a shocker to hear that happening.
But apart from that, like some pretty nice shit happened this week.
And just like an hour ago, I got some really, really good news.
But I'm going to keep that on the down low.
Oh, did you?
Oh, did you?
Oh, Sonny, can you hear me?
Can you hear me, Sonny?
Are you listening?
He's keeping it on the lowdown.
But your man's got good news.
I hope you listen to the fucking replay of fucking Sonny.
Yeah, it doesn't have to do anything with Sonny, this one.
It's also with someone whose name starts with a much better person.
By the way, Rarma, what the fuck, dude?
I'm fucking happy to see you here again.
And look at this crowd.
What a nice crowd.
Yeah, no, sorry.
There's a bit of hay fever going on here at the moment.
So I apologize.
I think I'm unmuted when I need to sneeze.
Oh, no problem, man.
You can sneeze on me whenever you want.
Is that when you called Sonny?
You couldn't there, Rarma, was it?
No, I reserve that specifically for certain people.
I think I said bullshit.
But it was unintentional when I sneezed there for a moment.
Yeah, that happens sometimes, you know.
Okay, but I'm going to jump back to listeners soon
because I'm actually waiting for a ride to Amsterdam.
Oh, my friend, you're off to Amsterdam.
Yes, I'm off to Amsterdam.
I think my ride has arrived.
So I'm going to say bye.
I'm going to host the rest of the show.
I'm going to do Chuck's end for you.
Oh, no, please don't.
We're good.
Just very quickly, if I could, coin landing page.
What I saw earlier, I think it was within the last 24 hours,
is I think the Cosmos SDK Twitter account, no underscore,
it was previously controlled by someone from Osmosis.
And what I wouldn't want to happen to the coin landing page account
was that someone from Osmosis got control of that account,
lost the username and password,
and then Cosmos was in a situation where a coin landing page
was like an integral and critical part of the ecosystem.
And when someone tweeted out something about a very critical security patch
that impacted almost every chain in the ecosystem,
that when they tweeted that from like an account that only had 200 followers,
that no one wanted to listen to it.
And because someone from Osmosis lost the username and password,
it was not really seen as actual official advice.
So if, just in case,
if that happens to be a coin landing page in the future,
please make sure that you save the username and password offline,
very secure place.
So then if the wider ecosystem really needed it,
that it could be either transferred or given to an entity,
quote unquote,
that we could make sure that it's not amulet,
some random fucking organization given a few million dollars a year
to ensure the wider ecosystem security
was handling that that no one knew about.
So thank you.
That's all.
Hey, guys.
Hey, guys, real quick, real quick, coin landing page.
I'll let you speak.
But I just want everybody to know,
Kay, my friend that I was talking about from the dispensary that we were talking,
he's down in the listeners.
So if you guys want to say hello.
Hey.
Hello, Kay.
Okay.
Hey, Kay.
That's a marijuana thing?
You're welcome.
No, he's a butt tender, a dispensary, and we were chatting.
Remember I was telling you about that?
Did you say a butt tender?
A butt tender, not butt tender.
Dispensary.
Australian, Australian, weed is not legal here
except for like 174th of the country, which is Canberra.
You mean like psychedelic mushrooms dispensary or like?
Oh, no, like a weed dispensary.
You know, those are around somewhere, but no.
Roma's forgetting about Nimbin.
Roma's like, oh, Canberra, but oh, Nimbin.
No, Nimbin, it's not even legal in Nimbin.
I think the law just forgets about Nimbin.
It's like, it's a part of the country.
Yeah, no one really.
It's kind of like Kalgooran, you know what I mean?
Mate, I think Coyne Landon Page might have to go,
but he's got an answer for you.
Go on, Coyne Landon Page, what you got to say to Roma?
Yeah, yeah, just wanted to quickly say goodbye.
But before I go, Roma and maybe other people in this room,
if you guys are interested to have like a discussion
about what kind of information projects have to disclose,
then feel free to send me a message
because I'm going to be working with Ray.
You guys know him.
Ray from YFoundry Dow.
Yes.
No, no, Turkey Dow.
You mean Turkey Dow?
To see and like define a couple standards
for the disclosure of information.
So if anyone's interested to jump on that conversation,
let me know and I'll put some people together.
All right, now I'm going to jump back to listeners.
It was great to see you guys or like speak to you guys again after a while.
Enjoy Amsterdam, dude.
Yeah, thanks, man.
See you later.
Take care, man.
My friend is going to Amsterdam.
The Dutch people, they like to tell you.
The Kush or the Northern Lights.
Man, this Northern Lights is so good.
But you got some in your mouth, Roma.
You got like marble or something.
I don't know.
Roma, that was me.
What are you talking about, woman?
I mean, robo, sorry.
I just couldn't understand what you were saying.
I didn't know.
What?
To Amsterdam?
In Amsterdam to talk like this, you know?
I've been to Amsterdam 11 times, man.
I love the fucking place.
It's like one of the most amazing places on earth, man.
It's fucking just so fucking epic.
If you've never strolled around Amsterdam at night,
just like enjoying yourself with a big smile on your face,
off your face on mushrooms,
like you've never lived, man.
It's one of the most visited places in the history of the world.
Like, it's fucking amazing.
Signal, you been?
I saw your emojis there.
It's gorgeous.
I went for the first time in September,
myself and my fiancée.
What, September last year?
You've just gone?
Yeah.
2023, yeah, September.
Dude, did you have McDonald's?
Did you have a McDonald's?
Because I'll tell you what,
there's no McDonald's in the world like in Amsterdam.
Oh, best McDonald's in the world.
Of course I have McDonald's.
What did you think?
Of course I did.
What did you think?
Isn't it the best McDonald's in the world?
Bro, it's like...
What about traveling?
It's just eating McDonald's in other countries.
It's...
Bro, this is like...
This is like next level.
Oh, it's like some Big Mac has been brought from like 1986.
It's like, you know, like...
It's like part of the future Big Macs.
It's like, oh my God.
They do a good job.
I had a good Big Mac.
I was in Taiwan like a couple weeks ago
and I had a really good Big Mac there.
Bro, my last hotel room, wait.
My last hotel room.
No shit.
My last hotel room,
the entire like place was like painted like a beach scene, right?
All the walls and everything.
And like in front of like the big major wall,
they just had this like massive like hammock bed.
Like no bed in the room.
Just a gigantic like hammock
in front of these like palm trees.
Dude, I'll have to find the photos.
You should see the room I slept in.
It's fucking amazing.
I woke up like in the middle of like this beach,
like proper like shells,
like ornaments all over the little like.
Oh, dude.
It's fucking...
They've got some amazing experiences.
Are you going to...
I mean, I know I want to talk about
what you can do in Bangkok,
but you can probably do fucking more shit
in Amsterdam than you can do in Bangkok
and that's saying something.
No, yeah.
In a lot of ways,
I feel like crypto is like an abstraction
of traveling
and just like staying in a shit hotel room,
eating McDonald's in a different country.
It's like all of that packed into something.
What's the cheapest you've ever stayed in before?
What's the cheapest you've ever stayed in?
I bet you I can.
Well, I can't see you.
Weird.
I stayed in a place that was 75 pence once, right?
So, it was less than a bin lid.
Weird, dude, it was less than a quid.
Less than a bin lid.
And it was basically just like a bungalow
made of fucking wood
with like no electricity,
no fucking running water,
no nothing.
And it was on a...
I forgot.
It's a...
You know our 5,000 islands?
Or 4,000, I'm sorry.
In Laos?
You know southern Laos?
Yeah.
That's Cambodia there, those islands.
It was like on the second one,
Siphondon.
It was on Siphondon, I think it was.
It's just like...
Right on the river, though.
Dude, it was less than one pound a night.
And that was 2009.
It's only 14 years ago.
Not that long ago.
Fuck.
It was bad.
Bad luck.
The cheapest for me,
I stayed somewhere like an island
just off Cap in South Cambodia,
if you know,
for like I think two or three US dollars a night.
Like a pretty...
Sorry, I'm going to say it's a nice place,
but it was just a shack on the beach.
You know what I mean?
But...
Didn't we talk about...
Didn't you and I talk about Cap before, right?
I'm sure we did, did we?
Hold on.
Might be someone else.
A long time to be Cap up.
Yeah.
Did you do Camp Pot on the way to Cap, did you?
You know the place where...
I've been to Cap quite a few times, so...
Okay.
Well, you must have went through Camp Pot
then if you went from non-Pen, right?
No Camp Pot, well, yeah.
Yeah, I've been to Camp Pot.
So...
Okay, so Camp Pot is where they do the crab,
but the pepper comes from Camp Pot, right?
Yeah, Cap is where they actually get the crab,
as far as I understand.
Camp Pot is like the...
Camp Pot's where they grow the pepper?
No, no, that's where they grow all the pepper, I've been.
That's where they grow all the pepper, I've been.
Yeah, exactly.
All the leo.
I have done...
I've done from like the tip of...
The northern tip of leo,
like all the way down and all the way through Cambodia,
the whole thing.
I have a big pack of Cap pepper right now,
like in my kitchen.
I've got green, white, and black.
Dude, it's not actually Cap pepper, though.
It's Camp Pot.
There you go, say, you learn something every day.
Anyway.
Well...
We're going to change the subject.
I want to ask Rami how his nipper is.
How's their burn getting on there, Rami?
Must be what, oh, three months or something now, right?
Three, three and a half months, or what?
Yeah, very close, actually.
He's been born into an absolute pit of fire.
Is he getting strong, though?
Is he getting strong, is he?
He doesn't have a choice, because Luca, my three-year-old daughter,
is an absolute fucking demon of a child.
Which is, I would expect absolutely nothing less, right?
Like, incredible.
Has she changed?
Has she changed since he came along, or what?
Yeah.
Has she changed that?
I see your pair.
A hundred percent, yeah.
So, she's become...
In what way?
She's become both stronger and softer at the same time, which is the most ironic thing.
Um, she's smarter and also dumber, which is, again, like, it's...
And the biggest challenge for me is, like, as a parent, sitting back and looking at it,
as, like, she's intellectually incredibly smart.
Like, she can speak full sentences as a three-year-old, right?
Like, adult language, no problems, word for word, perfect.
But then, understanding basic things, like, you cannot put a pillow on your little brother's head
when he's two months old.
Like, no understanding of that stuff, right?
Like, um...
No, she knows what she's doing.
She's jealous.
That's a power play thing.
You're probably right.
You're probably right.
But she's intellectually incredibly smart, but then emotionally not quite.
So, like, she's regressed in a lot of areas.
Like, I don't want to, like, draw down the whole spaces, but, like, now, like, when she
settles down, she's getting ready for, like, bath and bedtime, she's, like, she wants to
play the baby game, quote-unquote, which is, like, where she's a three-year-old who puts
a dummy in her mouth and she, like, sits in my arms.
Never had a dummy in her entire life, but because her little brother has a dummy, I understand,
right?
Um, and then, like, otherwise, she's just, like, just wants to cuddle him, kiss him, play
dolls, do all, like, the little things.
When I pick him up, he's just, like, all smiles, happiness, laughs.
He's the happiest kid we've ever had.
Put him down on the ground on hardwood floors, he's asleep.
It's, like, incredible.
Yay!
Um, so just the whole balance of, like, that stuff is interesting.
But we're getting there.
It's fun.
Rama, can I ask you a quick question, if that's all right, if you don't mind?
Uh, has it been, like, more of a struggle, obviously, to, like, uh, with your, like, crypto
sort of commitments, like, sub-dows and stuff?
Has it been, like, a major correction for you?
Or, because you already had a fairly, like, young child, not much of a major correction
or what?
Um, I think sub-dow...
Just interrupt me any time if I, like, talk too much, because I think...
Now you're golden.
Now you're golden.
Thank you so much, Rama.
Stop.
Keep going.
It's probably more of, like, a longer conversation.
I don't want to, like, derail Rack FM.
And I'm happy to, like...
I do want to talk about this stuff, obviously.
Robbo, you kind of know what I want to talk about at some point.
But, um, I'll leave that for, like, later.
Um, the sub-dow stuff, I think, uh, there was obviously some stuff that happened, which
we'll get to later, um, that...
Uh, I took a break around when, uh, Cooper, which is...
So, my son is called Cooper, my daughter is called Luca.
Uh, we thought it was a fucking great decision, and now when we're, like, harassing children,
as you do, quote-unquote harassing, we now realise it's the fucking dumbest decision we've
ever made.
Cooper, Luca.
Luca, Luca.
Ha, ha, ha.
Correct, yeah.
Luca.
Yeah.
Weird.
Is that, is that after Cooper the beer?
Now, Cooper's the beer.
Is that after...
Is that where you've been?
Uh, so, call me the fucking...
Call us, my wife and I, the stupidest parents you've ever met in your entire life, but we
were driving up to, um, Byron Bay with our two-year-old daughter at the time, and we're
like, hey, you're going to be a big sister.
What would you like your brother's name to be?
And she's like, Cooper.
And it just happened to be that we couldn't find another name other than Cooper, so we stuck
with Cooper.
Um, we literally couldn't find another name, so Cooper is now the little brother.
Um, so we had Luca and Cooper.
Uh, so now the boy is called Coops, because you can't have Cooper and Luca.
So it's Coops and Luca.
Um, the...
What was the original point?
I can't remember.
I don't stay off this later anymore.
No, no, I did.
I did just ask you if it's, like, kind of, like, not hindered your, your crypto work or...
...or if you've had to, like, reset yourself a little bit and re-plan and re-organize
your kind of, like, life and how you organize things, yeah?
Yeah.
No, thanks for reminding me.
Um, so definitely, uh, my normal, like, day-to-day operations.
I think, um, prior to, uh, having the second child, I, like, took a break.
Probably we'll, we'll talk to that at some point.
There was a reason why I took a break.
It was a very good break.
I, like, reset my mind, reset my life expectations of, like, where my priorities are.
Um, work was, like, super stressful, super busy.
And then crypto on top of that, which was literally free, right?
Like, everything I did in, like, crypto was 90% free.
And then I'm also a dad and I'm also working 60-hour weeks.
So, uh, all of that stuff leading into, like, being a dad for the second time, I was, like,
I can't handle all this.
I can't do it all.
Something needs to give.
I took a step back and I was, like, what is the priority for me?
And, uh, the first and foremost is being a parent, being a dad, uh, and my day-to-day job.
So, I stepped back, did those things, refocused on, like, how I want to operate in the future
world.
I had a month off work, which was good.
And, um, I realized that, like, a lot of the stuff that happens on Twitter, just in
general, is, like, not that much value-add for myself.
Um, so, it was, like, this really weird, like, I love engaging with the community and
I love being around and being on spaces and talking and all that stuff.
But, uh, at the time, it was just way too much.
So, I took a step back, didn't, like, focus on crypto stuff as much, focused on family
first.
My normal day-to-day job that pays, like, my Fiat bills and stuff.
And then, whatever time I had remaining was, like, crypto stuff.
So, that was, like, shortness.
That was, like, how I focused on my priorities.
Joe's, Joe's probably listening, Rahm, and he's probably thinking, what a fucking weak
cunt.
Because, like, Joe's got, like, what, 16 kids and lives in a shoe or something?
Is that right?
Is that right about Joe?
He's got 16 kids and lives in a shoe, no?
This is the worst space I've ever listened to.
Joe, why are you so mad?
Why do you wake up salty?
I mean, I know you live in the suburbs.
Stop acting like you live in the city.
You live in the burbs.
So, why are you waking up so salty?
I'm breathing in smoke.
My lungs are getting poisoned by these Canadians who can't control their bonfires.
Fuck, Joe.
We'll bring Canada into this.
Come on, man.
Everyone except for signal is poisoning my lungs right now.
You know why?
America's downwind of Canada, though.
He doesn't give a fuck him right now.
Does he signal?
He's, like, ha-ha, laughing his head off.
I have a lot of sympathy for anyone who is trying to live their life, day-to-day life,
and just smoking, breathing in, like, toxic smoke that's damaging their lungs.
Signal, we send you our acid rain.
It's an even trade.
It's an even trade.
I have to say, all these fucking New Yorkers on Twitter being like, you guys have never
seen anything like this before.
Holy fuck.
You've never seen a style of this.
Hey, guys.
Actually, they just realized we've been smoking nonstop, like, but they don't get to choose
which smoke gets into their lungs now, so we're all upset wearing our masks again.
Yeah.
You've got to see this, Scott, and I'm going to make it a new NFT, put it on Cardano.
Who's the real winners, right?
Like, you fucking filthy Americans that have just been shitting on the rest of the world
for, like, your entire life, right?
And then Canada, Canada, has, like, one fire, one time, and your entire country goes into
shutdown.
All of you who are asthmatics, you've got all your diabetes.
You're all overweight.
You can't even walk one block.
And all of a sudden, your entire country shuts down.
You can't function.
You lose millions, billions, trillions of dollars worth of economy because you can't even fucking
walk to your offices, you fat, lazy pieces of shit, and the Canadians are laughing at you
in their smoke with their masks.
I can't believe that a guy, the whole, maybe we should wear denim shorts like you guys do
and just go out there into the fire.
Australians are literally born in fucking wildfires, and you're looking at us like, oh, how do you
guys survive this stuff?
It's like, we literally do this to ourselves every single year.
Like, Darwin looks at us as they burn their fucking wildfires, and the tsunami winds bring
it down to the southeast coast.
We look at it, and we go, ah, yes, finally, the rebirth of the east coast of Australia.
Fucking wickedness is a shit.
Yeah, and then the commander-in-chief, their commander-in-chief can't even take four fucking
steps without falling over, man.
Didn't even go there, man.
That fucking, oh, my goodness.
Did you see the woman's face when she walked away laughing?
No, you're going a little too far.
You cannot say anything bad about our commander, our duly elected commander-in-chief.
You know what?
That's cruelty.
I tell you what, if that was anybody else except for this guy, you'd be reporting him
to fucking social services for fucking cruelty against the fucking old.
I'm telling you, everybody knows it.
If your man's falling over every two minutes, I'm telling you.
I have no problem with him, to be honest with you.
You're talking about Joe, right?
You mean Joe?
No, he's boss man, who pays his salary.
Oh, yeah.
Old Pissy Pants.
Is that his nickname?
Old Pissy Pants?
Hey, did you guys dare to look at Hunter Biden pictures and stuff like that?
I've seen it all.
Oh, my God.
I couldn't bring myself.
I was afraid that I would be able to see it.
Leave the guy alone.
He's living his best life.
I wish I had that life.
I'm not kidding.
Joe has the best take on this, I have to say.
I envy anyone that's even remotely close to his level of irresponsibility and enjoyment
of life.
It's just great for him.
Have you got a sat-nav on, Joe, in the background?
Every time you come out to talk, I mean, you're like a sat-nav saying,
fucking turn left, you fucking pleb cunt.
No, sorry.
I'm on hold with my human resources.
Usually, the average hold time is four hours.
I called eight minutes ago when they first opened, so I don't know how long this is going to be.
Are you complaining?
Are you complaining about something?
Yeah, I'm going to call my union and say I should get compensated for all the smoke in my lungs
because we didn't have to go to work yesterday or today.
So it's like Rama and Signal are saying.
Good.
Our society has come to a grinding halt because of some clouds in the sky.
It's really, and everyone's looking up.
I mean, you've lived in Southeast Asia, Joe.
I didn't think you were going to be such a pussy to fucking tell you the truth.
It's like, bro, I expected more from you.
I really did like it.
Well, I mean, I love it, actually.
I went out last night till late.
I took the train into the city to get more of that dirty.
I went out.
Joe, is it PM 2.5?
Is that what it is?
Is that the problem?
It's PM 2.5, right?
What do you mean PM 2.5?
Well, that's right.
Okay, so basically, you're all complaining about the smoke.
Well, why?
Well, it's about 2.5, which is like the tiny, tiny, tiny little micro particle
that goes inside your lung.
So if you just Google PM, because you're obviously retarded
and you don't know what you're talking about.
You Google PM 2.5.
I mean, if you've got that, then fair enough.
If it's quite extreme, I understand.
But I mean, if you're not, then I mean, I live in 2.5 every day.
Song Jud Ha, we call it in Thailand, right?
2.5, Song Jud Ha.
I remember living in Korea, and this would be like for a month,
and the particles were so big, you could fucking taste them,
and it was really nothing.
It was not a big deal.
I was in Beijing like before the Olympics when they're building it up,
like 2006, 2007, which is like a fucking nightmare.
Didn't they stop the factories?
Didn't they close like all the factories for like 30 days
before the Olympics started or something?
I remember, like, they shut all the factories down in and around Beijing, yeah?
That's right.
I asked them to, and they did it.
No, I was going to say, like, it's kind of funny.
I kind of wonder, honestly, with, like, how fucked our economic systems are
and, like, products.
I wonder what it is for New York right now, like, the damage caused by this smoke
versus the amount of money generated by, like, all these influencers posting about it.
You know what I'm talking about?
It's like...
Yeah, like the damage to the...
Yeah.
No, no, no, like, the amount of money that all these, like, fucking shitheads are making
by just, like, posting about it and running around.
Yeah, and what damage does that cause into the aesthetics and the economy of New York?
Yeah, versus, like, the general damage.
Like, in an economic sense, if you're just looking at the region.
I don't know.
It's really bad.
It's probably, like, billions per day just for New York City because...
I remember when we had the hurricane and the subways closed for, like, five days.
The damage was in the billions for...
And that was, like, what, 15 years ago or something like that.
I don't even know how long.
10 years ago?
Yeah, I guess...
That makes sense because you live in, like, an important city, right?
It's also, like...
It's also, like, people that have to travel in and out of the airports and stuff.
It's a cascading effect.
No, no, you've got to be honest.
You've got to be honest about New York.
You've got to be honest about New York.
It's exactly the same as, like, London, right?
The very...
No, no, but...
Yeah, in its...
You have to say New York City.
It's decrepacy.
Sorry, New York City.
But it's beautiful in its decrepancy, like London is, right?
If you go to London, it's a fucking shithole.
Let's be honest.
If you get to New York, it's pretty much a fucking shithole.
It's just, like, a famous one.
But it's because of how it was built, the lack of, like, the sewer system, how the old
sewer system was turned into, like, the tube or the underground, blah, blah, blah, et cetera,
et cetera.
Like, I mean, London's a lot fucking older, obviously, than New York.
But the resemblance is a fucking very, very stark.
You don't create...
Like, if you go back to the days of, like, the Five Points and stuff like that, like, New
York, it was just, like, this random fucking shit that kicked in.
And, like, for a long time, there was no control over it for many, many decades.
Go on, Joe.
Could we change the subject?
This is really fucking boring.
Okay.
I have a change of subject, if I may.
As a member of the wider community, I'm more than happy to reset the room for something
that might be a lot of more interesting to the wider audience who is interested in enjoying
a nice Friday morning or evening of spicy, rack-of-end spaces content.
Well, we've got an intelligent room.
I mean, look at who's...
I mean, you're talking about resetting the room.
Look at the legends.
And Bido's in here.
The fucking official rack-of-end fucking artist who's about to break into the big...
I'm not going to talk about Neutron.
We've got Soy.
That's all I'm going to say.
Brass Gorefunkie.
Come on.
Timmy.
Timmy's here.
Oh, come on, Rama, go.
Go, Rama, go, go.
If we want to make it interesting and spicy, why will we talk about Neutron is all I've got
to say.
Oh, I need to be careful.
I want Spade on a show with some apps.
I've been promised an exclusive, so I need to be careful.
No, no.
We need to be careful.
So, Mr. Robbo, sir, there's a very big difference between having a very spicy, spicy spaces content
and a very engaging, interesting spaces that encompasses and engages the audience, right?
So, without further ado, Mr. Robbo vs. Web3, RackFM host, gatekeeper of the RackFM community.
Joe, put your hand down.
No, you're not talking right now, Joe.
Be quiet.
Put your hand down.
Sir, the moment we've all been waiting for, the divergence, the discrepancies, the split
of the RackFM versus quote-unquote corp.
Now is the time.
Now is the space.
Now is the opportunity to get it all out in the open.
And Mr. Terrace Spaces, Mr. Finn Foddington, extraordinaire.
Let it be the moment that we all talk about this openly.
Sir, please.
Be cool, be cool, be cool if there was a couple more people here, though, wouldn't it?
Oh, sir.
That really would be a nice little sit down.
I am the 555 Spaces followers, the incredible extraordinaires of the Crypto Cosmos extraordinaires.
Please, sirs, indulge us with your listens.
Sir, can you please...
Did you hear it?
Wait, Raman.
Raman, wait, wait, wait.
I know you don't listen back to Spaces, but did you hear the Fod V Fod Space or not?
Did you hear that one?
I did not.
I only listen to the ones...
I get DM'd in certain spaces at certain time slots that, hey, you should listen to this.
It might be really interesting for you.
And I'm like, bros, I've got a fucking screaming child in my hands.
Sure, let me find some time.
Other than that...
However, there's actually been some really good ones.
So Finn's Spotify playlist is...
Fuck, the Terrace Spaces Spotify is incredible.
I go through that and I'm like, 2X it.
And I'm like, is there something interesting?
Amazing.
Slow it down.
Cool.
Listen for a bit.
2X it.
Moving on.
90% of it's like 2X.
Anywho, back to the point at hand.
Oh my God.
How did Robbo and Rama become from like the bestest bros to never talking to each other ever again?
Please.
Would anyone like to lead it?
I'm happy to sit in the background and just listen for a moment.
I'm really...
This is kind of funny for me because I was trying to work on like a robo impression for a long time.
And it was always like...
Please don't.
Please don't.
Joe tried this for a bit.
Joe tried this.
Joe's is always darling, darling.
Right?
That kind of thing.
Mine was always like Rama, wait.
Rama, wait.
Rama, wait.
You know what I mean?
Rama, Rama, wait, Rama, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, exactly, exactly.
Wait, wait, wait, Rama, wait, wait, wait, wait, Rama, wait.
But you already said that.
You said that like two minutes ago.
So it's just so nice for me to hear that again.
I actually went back the other day because we were talking about it on the space and I talked about the rug because that was like before B-Bands hooked up.
I tell you what, he's got his hand up.
Guys, Joe's DM'd and said like this space is so boring or something, he's going to leave.
I didn't read the full DM.
I just saw the notification.
I mean, you can read.
Rama's got a lot to say.
We'll hear what Rama's got to say.
You can go, Joe.
No, I'm sorry.
Yeah, no.
What's up, Joe?
What's up?
Like, you know, I feel like previously...
Let him speak, Rama.
Let him speak.
Let him speak quickly.
Bygones be bygones.
Honestly, I think the thing that Joe wants to say is that it's like past his bedtime, even though he's just getting up to work.
And he doesn't really have time for this.
You know, he's got like 17 kids and then he needs to go to work and like raise another like 25 kids on top of that as an uneducated teacher.
And they need porridge.
And they need porridge.
He's 17 kids and they need porridge, right?
Yeah, correct.
While also working at a pizza shop on the corner.
So it's...
Joe, go ahead, please.
It's like just say what you need to say and then leave and then we'll get to the real meat.
I was going to say we didn't recognize some of the important people in this space.
Robo started to, but you left out a very important member of a DAO that's responsible for nearly all of the economic activity in the cosmos.
All of our customer service representatives are busy right now.
Please hold on and the next representative will be right with you.
Joe's life right now is in the toilet.
Joe, your life in the toilet right now, isn't it?
You know who I'm talking about, Robo?
The number one DAO in the cosmos.
All the economic activity goes through this DAO.
I have to say, you know, I really, like, love and appreciate your enthusiasm for DAOs and how, like, cool that was back in 2023.
But we've moved on and no one's really talking about DAOs anymore.
Like, we're living in 2023 in the sixth month.
So, DAOs were, like, early 2023, like, you know, maybe, like, January, February, March, if you, like, really wanted to stretch it.
But, um...
He's talking about LionDAO, I think, isn't he?
No, LionDAO's, like, really cool.
I don't think they, like, consider themselves as, like, too much of a DAO anymore.
Like, they're just doing cool shit.
Like, you know, they just, like, recklessly release tokens, you know, release NFT collections, which is, like, that's...
Fuck yeah.
Like, let's go.
But, like...
You know, I don't even, like...
Karma, sorry.
You know what I like?
I've had, like, a really long day.
You know what I like doing at the end of it?
Just lying down.
That's a great question.
Rock out, everyone.
He'll be here all week.
I'm gonna bring this back to my point of hand, because I have two children that are gonna wake me up at, like, 5 a.m.
So, like, fuck that shit for, like, staying up until 1.
So, back to the original point of hand.
Rama's here.
Robbo's here.
RackFM's here.
Now's the time.
Now's the space.
Speak Your Mind.
I'm here to listen.
If you don't want to talk, I'm here to...
I'll talk.
Go for it.
I mean, I'll tell you what.
Your Woman B-Band's butchered me fucking soul over the fucking doubt, but, like, maybe that was fucking ill-informed fucking...
You know, sometimes, I don't know, Rama, I'm fucking way too fucking reactionary.
Like, I think, like...
I've been trying to fucking rein it in for a long time, and I still try, but it's fucking...
It's fucking not working.
Like, it's fucking hard work, anyway.
I mean, I caused World War III.
We're fucking wild there.
I'm sorry.
I just want to very quickly interrupt, right?
Like, Joe, I see you laughing there, right?
Um, I'm all for, like, dance and shit.
If you want to laugh, that's cool.
But I joined tonight because I want to have a chat, like, an actual, like, man-to-man chat.
And, like, keep laughing.
That's cool.
That's fine.
Like, you know, 40-year-old boomer living in fucking...
In the Bronx, that's sweet, right?
But, like, the wider ecosystem, I think, personally, is suffering.
And I'm not saying, like, oh, the whole Rama-Robo thing or whatever, right?
But I think that there's a bigger thing here where Cosmos as an ecosystem is severely suffering and being impacted by a lack of vision, a wider vision, right?
And if we don't actually sort our shit out as an ecosystem, Cosmos will fucking fail.
And we're going to be eaten up by every other ecosystem that semi has their shit in order, okay?
And, yeah, everyone has fucking disagreements.
Everyone has arguments, right?
And that's fine.
You know, whoever you are, whatever you're doing, you might have disagreements.
You might have arguments.
That's fine.
But if, as an ecosystem, and as small as Cosmos is, if you can't come and have conversations, and, yeah, sure, it might be, like, two, three months late, whatever, for various reasons that we'll get to.
If we can't, like, band together and have a vision of Cosmos and promote Cosmos, every single person that is invested in this ecosystem, whatever money you've put in, it's for nothing.
Because we are so small in the crypto space.
We actually are so fucking small.
And everything we do is so little in this space that we actually need to, like, look at what we're doing.
Why would you invest in Cosmos right now?
As a Cosmos investor, like, we'll, sorry, Robbo, we'll get back to it.
But, like, as a Cosmos investor right now, you're already invested in the ecosystem, right?
Like, why would you put more money in, in the way in which we operate right now?
Is it the ecosystem?
Is it the community?
Is it the devs?
Is it the tech?
None of those things do I go, hey, I'm going to put my fucking fiat money that I work hard for into this ecosystem in the way in which we're operating, right?
Like, the devs, fucking shit.
The community, fighting amongst each other.
The tech, not that great.
Like, let's actually fucking sort this shit out.
Deal with the fucking situations.
Man on man.
Front it up.
Like, Jake and Shane on the Stargaze shit, right?
Robbo and I on the fucking whatever it is that we've got going on, which we'll address tonight, right?
Like, actually front up, talk about it, deal with it, get it over and done with, and be like, hey, cool, can we move on?
Because without everyone being on the same page and being aligned and working on this shit and fighting for Cosmos, what are we doing?
I'll shut up for a minute.
Robbo, do you have anything that you'd like to say?
Oh, sorry, I was just replying to CoinLandonPage because he's been giving me loads of fucking grief in the fucking, say that, his comment.
Nah, CoinLandonPage, man, when you don't get mentioned, when Robbo names the big brains in the room.
Oh, listen to this, cunt fucking, eh?
You missed a lot of people, Robbo.
You missed a lot of people.
Well, aye, because the fucking space is fucking buggy and we'll just keep, all right, I didn't mention you.
Oh, my goodness, I'm sorry.
Please tune in to the NFT happy hour.
I'm going to very quickly interrupt and I'm going to be handed over to Joe when I'm done.
I'm not the host, I'm not the co-host.
I don't care if you're fucking Juno, if you're Stargaze, if you're Adam, if you're fucking Mean Chain, if you're whatever, right?
The only way that Cosmos succeeds is if, and I don't care about the fucking devs, right?
Why are you using Cosmos?
I mean, is it that long since we've spoken?
Why are you not using IBC?
Come on now, don't let me down like this on the stage.
Come on.
Well, you're right, but the wider ecosystem, like the wider crypto doesn't know IBC, right?
So I've taken a step back, right?
Outside of Cosmos, they don't know IBC.
They know Cosmos.
They know Adam, right?
I've taken a step away from all of this shit.
They really don't.
They don't care about, all they know is Adam Ticker and then the Cosmos ecosystem.
If we want to succeed and we want out all of our bags to succeed, what we need to do is, and I don't fucking care about the grifters of the devs who have done dog shit shit on one certain chain.
If we don't all band together in some way and actually align what we're trying to do to deliver a message to the wider crypto space, none of our bags are going to win.
Like, Secret can't win, Stargaze can't win, Adam can't win.
We all need to band together and talk about what the tech is, but take the tech away.
It needs to be like blockchain abstraction and be like, here is the things that we're doing that you as a general user can do that adds value to your life.
That's the fucking thing and that's how we win.
And it might be like philosophical, we can't do it yet, but every other ecosystem is shitting on us in every other way.
What are we doing?
We're fighting amongst ourselves with like 200 people.
It makes no sense.
And I'm going to have to say I agree with that very much.
And I want to let Joe, he had his hand up for a while, and Tinderman Timmy just hopped up real quick.
So I just want to make sure that we give everybody a chance to chime in.
Robo, before they chime in, do you have anything to say?
Are you Gucci?
Gucci?
Okay.
Who's next?
You know, yesterday I went to a, like a Polygon meetup.
And they're actually building stuff that's value-add to the user's lives.
And one of the topics...
Gilders, man. Gilders. Yep.
I mean, even if you're building complete shit, at least you're building something, right?
But, you know, I talked to these guys, they're building different things.
One guy's got a sports betting platform.
One guy has a permissioned storage platform for medical records.
Somebody else was building a fractionized real estate app, had it on Testnet, was able to show me on his phone exactly how it works.
And two of the three guys that I talked to, they were like literally 21 years old.
So, the tech can't be that good in Cosmos if it takes fucking two years to make a website, right?
So, just quickly, Joe, like amazing 21-year-olds that will just like build something that they'll rug you like in two years' time because they have no business experience.
It's amazing.
Like more of that stuff.
It's incredible.
I mean, he was able to speak to some of what I was asking and all that, but the point is, let's take a chain like DYDX.
They're coming over.
They're going to use this nice free Cosmos tech that's not monetized in any fucking way that returns absolutely no value back to the core stack or the token.
And they want absolutely nothing to do with IBC.
They might not even enable IBC.
We don't know, right?
They might only enable IBC with, you know, have channels with certain chains only if it benefits them.
And I think that's the problem that I don't know how it can be solved unless somehow you put little taxes and fees around the parts of the ecosystem where people are actually willing to pay those taxes and fees.
But I don't see, you know, you look at Juno.
Everyone's been telling me for like a year that Juno has the best platform.
It's the best tech, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
It might be for the builders, right?
I have no idea.
But 99% of the people who are going to hold tokens when it's all said and done are not going to build.
They're not going to know anything about code.
Like you said, they're not going to even want to.
My grandmother uses Facebook on her iPad.
She has no idea how the fucking internet works.
But somehow she manages to use Facebook flawlessly, right?
People have to be able to get around Cosmos.
And when you mention that, the devs are like, oh, yeah, yeah, we know, we know, we know.
But there's no movement, I don't think, to actually make that happen.
You have CoinLandingPage building something really nice for users like me.
Timmy building something nice for users like me.
The most recent fight and the buzzword is tokenomics.
Tokenomics are horrible, but that's because nothing's monetized in the ecosystem.
So the developers have to monetize in other ways.
They raid the community pools.
The validators work together to make sure the community pools get spent to benefit them.
You look at the grants program, right?
The Accelerator DAO.
I'm sure if we went through all the applications, we would find tons of conflict of interest and people paying their friends.
You know, that's how Cosmos works.
Cosmos was not built for the long run.
It was built around the net.
Joe, Joe.
Yeah, but Joe, I'm sure, I'm sure, though, you missed the TFM, the TFM bridge there,
when you were talking about your grandma on the iPad and blah, blah, blah.
I think TFM is one of the greatest things that have come along for a long time.
Yeah?
Bad job by me.
It just doesn't work on my computer, so good for them.
They build something that most people can use except for me.
But, yeah, no, I've used TFM.
The bridge is nice.
I can't use their – the NFT platform is a little rough, to be honest with you,
if you want my opinion.
It does not work on my computer at all.
So – but I could see the beginnings of an actual useful dashboard for NFTs.
But, again, you know, how come they can come in and build something so fast
when Juno's had NFTs for basically a year and I have to go to four different platforms
to see all my different NFTs because they were launched off different apps?
Why can't I see them all?
They're on the same chain.
Why does TFM have to build that?
That should have been –
Cronkats – fucking Cronkats even went –
Wait.
Sorry, Timmy.
Cronkats went after fucking TFM the other day for, like, creating so many channels,
didn't they?
I'm like, bro, calm down.
Not Cronkats.
Cronkats.
Crosnest.
Not Cronkats.
Oh, sorry, bro.
No, sorry, bro.
I got that one wrong.
Fucking hell.
Cheers, Timmy.
Hello, mate.
Similar names.
Make sure you take care of that in editing, Finn.
We don't want any –
Sorry, guys.
I dropped out for a second there.
Did Rarma –
We thought you went to bed at last.
Oh, you did?
All right.
Were you making jokes about me?
Of course.
You were making jokes about me.
Please don't make jokes about me.
May I interject?
Back to a topic that I'd like to talk to.
I was going to say, I would really like to just get Rarma and Robo to hash out their beef.
So we don't have to –
Yeah, that's what –
Yeah, that's what –
I would like that, too.
If they could somehow, at the same time, find common ground in insulting Neutron and soy,
I think that would be the best thing for everyone.
I feel like you're making it too easy.
I agree.
I'm happy to –
If I might say one thing –
You 20 shit.
Timmy, come on, Timmy.
Come on, mate.
Like, we know –
I think we can all agree we don't need Timmy's input into this.
I'm joking.
Go ahead.
Timmy, please.
Go ahead.
I was –
I got mute.
I got mute.
I think every reason –
I was like, no.
I was like, I was shitting on you, like, taking the piss and someone muted you.
Terrible host.
Sorry.
Before you guys do this beef, I just wanted to introduce –
We brought Hei Sava here and introduced her to the Cosmos ecosystem.
This is her first –
Amazing.
This is going to be incredible for her.
This is –
Yeah, welcome.
H-A-I-S-A-V-A from Scotland, I think.
So we have, like, a kind of –
Someone's brand new here that's, like, really excited about the potential blockchain.
So –
Yeah, let's –
Let's Arma Robo, like, hash out your beef
to show what this ecosystem can do.
Or don't.
Maybe do it in DMs, and maybe let's not –
Oh, do it.
So, we tried that.
Let's go.
Lead the way, Mr. Robo.
Arma, you just spent so long talking about how nobody cares about this,
and it's a waste of time.
Tindermint.
Tindermint, tell me.
He's the one that said it, not me.
He just –
Everyone agreed.
He just spent, like –
Okay.
So I'm muting everybody because, like, I want to say something.
So this is what I want to say.
You know, as you all know, I had a little –
I had a little, you know, disagreement with the way Robo did something.
But me and him talked about it in front of everybody,
and we handled it.
And, yes, it was recorded.
And, yes, it showed a weak –
It made me feel, like, a little weak and exposed,
but I did it anyway, and then we moved past it, right?
So sometimes when something happens in a public way,
going and, like, saying, hey, you know, this publicly happened,
we want to, like, kind of, like, publicly say we're, you know, all good
or we're working on things or whatever,
because it's just – you know, it was already in the public eye,
and, you know, why not just get it taken care of
instead of, like, there be, like, any kind of misinformation
or misdirection.
Everybody heard the same thing.
Like, I don't know.
Maybe I'm just tripping.
Everyone's been unmuted now.
Sorry.
It was purely a thought.
I'm interested in hearing the beef.
It just stuck out to me how critical it sounded.
From my perspective, this space has been going on
for about an hour and a half.
I think this has been one of the best spaces I've been in
for so long until Timmy joined.
And so I'm thinking that maybe Timmy and I start beef,
and that he and I can sort that out two or three weeks later.
But for now, he and I stay quiet.
Yeah, a couple of them will come with it.
But for now, he and I stay quiet,
and then you guys do your beef today.
We'll do our beef later.
That's my proposal.
All right.
I'm going to start planning my insults.
I like it.
Signal says, we'll sort our beef in like two to three weeks.
Rama and Robbo's waiting two to three months.
But never mind, fellas.
Never mind.
You go ahead.
Yeah.
On that note, I'm happy to leave this, Robbo, unless you would like to,
because I feel like the floor's yours, unless you want me to lead it.
It's up to you, mate.
Shall I tell you, bro?
Months ago, I got fucking sick of division.
Months ago, I fucking...
I mean, it's still fucking happening.
We're still seeing this.
But, you know, certain people need to be called out for the thing.
And I'm almost home, by the way.
Certain people need to be fucking called out for certain things in the industry.
That's never changed.
It never fucking will do.
But, like, if you just look at the fucking bridges, like, that we try to build with,
like, gelato and fucking rispy and the team and stuff like that, like, that for me,
like, the gelato moment was, like, the proper moment where it was, like, you know, Robbo,
like, just put it down, step back, give up, like...
But, you know, Rama, I've said this before.
I said this to B-Bands the other week.
I mean, B-Bands and I had a real, real heart-to-heart, soul-to-soul, like, proper bed.
I said I was so, like, live online in front of fucking everybody.
And it's recorded.
Like, I still feel a bit shit about that.
But I said to her...
Can I...
I said, no, no, Rama, can I give you an analogy?
You give me an analogy earlier.
I honestly, sometimes, and I deny it's not you lot.
It is just me general life or whatever.
But I feel like I'm this fucking bear in a cage, you know?
And people just fucking can poke me when they want and they know, like, what's going to happen.
Like, and I didn't want to be the bear in the cage, you know what I mean?
I want to be the friendly one in the forest eating the honey and chilling there like Paddington.
You know, Paddington bear.
That's the bear I want to be.
I didn't want to be the cunt in the fucking cage in fucking Ukraine getting prodded off the sharp stick.
I didn't like that.
And I didn't...
I didn't take, like...
Oh, man, I'm not good.
I'm not good with fucking what to call temper, anger management, that shit.
I'm going to jump in, right?
Because I feel...
I know you well enough, and I've known you for, like, what, two years now?
Maybe three?
I've known you since before my child was born.
Basically, right?
Almost to the fucking day.
And this is the first time I've spoken about this, and it's a recorded space, and it's not going to get deleted like the other one.
I'm not, like, throwing jabs, right?
I'm not here to fucking throw jabs.
It's not my intention.
I get it, Robbo.
I fucking do.
And I understand, like, the angst and the shit that you've gone through.
My biggest thing is...
And it's going to fucking suck, like, in front of all these people in a recorded space.
And I don't fucking care that, like, it's on a Rack FM or whatever, right?
Talking to you, man-to-man.
There's no one else here but me and you.
And this is what I tried to do, like, months ago.
I consider you, like, one of my best mates.
I really did.
And there was a situation that happened.
Did.
You said you used the word did, as in...
No, no, no.
You said did.
No, no.
And there's a...
Listen to me.
And there's a reason for that.
It's because when you have trust and you have respect until you don't.
And the actions that you've taken over the last few months, without even reaching out to me personally, you've lost those things, right?
So you need to...
Trust and respect is earned.
And until you...
When you lose them, you lose them.
And when you earn them back, you earn them back.
And until then, you don't have them.
That's just how it is.
And, yeah, there was a falling out.
And there was a very, very big misunderstanding of a certain situation, which was so fucking small in the scheme of, like, what we were trying to build as a community.
So small.
And not one time did you, like, reach out...
No, you're using the wrong word.
You're using the word small.
The word is fucking benign.
That's the word you're looking for.
It's, like, the falling out.
If you DMed me one time...
Well, let me go there.
Let me go there.
Okay.
Go ahead.
I did this with B.
Excuse me.
Can I be a moderator for this conversation?
Wait a minute, because this is relevant.
Yes, I understand.
Let Ben be the moderator, and I'll shut up.
But Rama stopped because he knows this is relevant.
Rama, listen, this is what I'm going to say.
This is what I've said publicly to B. Barnes, right?
I mean, I had a call with her for quite a long time about this, right?
Right.
Where I come from, if your homies have got beef, you do not fucking get involved.
That's it.
There's just a line in the fucking sand.
I'm sorry.
It might be, like, whatever.
We're all products of our environment.
But all I've ever known is that, like, when your homies have got, like, beef, you shut the fuck up.
You take a step back.
You certainly didn't pick a side, because there's a good chance that, like, your homies are going to make up in the future.
And then you're going to look, you know, not so good in, like, one eye.
It's like, that's my fucking point.
I felt, at the time, I felt like the dispute.
I mean, listen, bro, if you just shut the fuck up and let us get on with it, I do think we'd have resolved this in, like, 48 to 72 hours.
I really got upset.
You can, you can, but you understand.
Like, I got to, I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, of course.
I never saw this as beef.
Like, I never did, right?
So let's get to the core of it.
Well, what about the audience?
What about the audience?
What about the audience that don't know?
You need to stop, Robo.
Robo, you need to stop.
And you let him finish.
Yeah, let me speak.
And then once the drama's done speaking, you guys give it a second or two, and then the next person speak, please.
Yeah, and I'm happy to the people.
Hey, wait, I'll just say, as an audience member and someone who's close to both of you, I don't even know what the beef is.
Like, I don't even know what, like, and I'm pretty close to you guys.
I love you, Steve, but I'm going to move your mic.
I'm about to get to the core of it, and I'm happy for interjections, right?
And if I hear someone speak, I'll shut up, because this is a very, like, it's a core thing that was very integral to the group that we had and the community that we had, very tight-knit.
And from my side of things, it's such a nothing burger that it's – and this is what I, like, I want to understand, and I don't understand how it became this big thing, right?
So, the whole thing – and, Robert, feel free to, like, take it back a step – but we had the whole corporation thing, which was, like, community-orientated, community-focused.
The intention was, like – there was just, like, I created some fucking PFPs of, like, animal heads on PFPs that was, like – it was lopping on, like –
Right, okay, no, no, no, Rami, you said – listen, I didn't want to be that guy, but wait, I'm going to come in here, and I'm very quickly –
Yeah, I'm going to interject any time.
I'm going to – I'm going to – yeah.
Guys, basically, what I did is I put out the tweet that we were going to put up a prop on June 0, and I went ahead, and I put up a signal and prop on Commonwealth about funding, and I didn't consult anybody.
Basically, I didn't say to people, oh, like, I'm not going to put any names on here or whatever, like – like, I fucked up.
The root – you talk about everything else, like, the previous stuff, whatever.
The root of the problem or the heart of the problem, the actual thing is, is that I went public with fucking stuff without going into, like, a group chat and properly conferring with people and blah, blah, blah.
I played that entirely wrong.
Now, Gaines is obviously, you know, with Cosmos Spaces and the Validators and, you know, he's got to take, like, a different, like, stance.
Like, it's all right coming on Rack FM and shit-talking and blah, blah, blah, but the minute I want to go in front of an L1 and talk about funding or something, like, I don't understand the mindset.
They're like, whoa, you've got to think differently.
I didn't get that.
I made a pleb move.
Then there was a reaction to my pleb move, and then I way overreacted.
I way overreacted to the reaction.
Now, let's be honest, Rama.
I overreacted.
Okay.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay, now Rama's there.
I need to interject here, which is, I think, is a part that you're missing.
So, and this is why I spoke to you about this on a Spaces.
I don't know or care if it was recorded, but I remember Gaines saying about him not wanting to be part of that proposal, which is fine, like, whatever he's got going on, right?
Like, whether I knew about him, like, having other adventures or Cosmos Spaces and all that sort of stuff, that's, like, his thing, right?
For me, as a community member, on two other sub-DAOs, approaching Juno for funding to be part of Racket Fam on two sub-DAOs.
It's a terrible look, and I'm not interested in, like, taking more Juno from the community to support community growth.
So, part of the messaging that I sent, when Gaines put his message out, like, hey, I don't want to be part of this funding prop, but we will both support the Racket Fam movement.
So, the thing was, Gaines said, I will support this prop, I don't want to be named in it, and we will be hosts, or I will be hosts, and I'll be on the show, and we'll do all the things for free, don't want to be paid.
I put the same message in there saying, I will do the same thing, but I can't be paid for this stuff, and I don't want to be paid for this stuff.
I'm on the delegations now, I'm on the growth now.
Do not put me on this prop, and pay me, like, try to get me paid for being part of Racket Fam, because I'm already paid from the community, or potentially paid from the community, because I'm on these sub-DAOs.
And the whole thing was, from that, it was like, put a prop up, pay Racket Fam, here are the members.
Gaines is part of Cosmospaces, he's got some other things going on.
I'm part of two sub-DAOs already.
I don't want to be paid for Racket Fam, because I don't want to double-dip or triple-dip into the community, but I still want to be a host.
I still want to be part of Racket Fam.
I still want to be a part of the shows.
And the messages that we got in the group chat that we had, it was so demeaning, and so demoralizing.
And so, I'm trying to, like, take a, I'm trying to think on it.
It was, like, it was so, out of, I can't put a word to it, right?
Like, what you sent to me, specifically, and it was addressed to me, Joe, I don't care about your hand right now.
It was addressed to me, and you specifically, like, said by name, and, like, that I had been paid previously from Notional, which I had, and I was open about, and I had communicated to the community.
And I was, like, I don't fucking care about that money, right?
Like, what I want to do is, like, add value to the community, and I want to do that in the best way that I can.
And the messages that you sent, because, hey, maybe I've been paid from Notional, or I'm on sub-dows, and all of a sudden, I don't want to be paid by the community through Racket Fam.
It was so demoralizing and demotivating that I was, like, what am I, like, how do I win in this situation with my friends, which is you, bands, Brasco, Ambedo, et cetera, but also, like, be part of the community.
Like, I wanted to be part of the sub-dows because I wanted to represent the community.
And what you were saying to me in those messages was, like, I don't know.
It was.
Well, I mean, listen, I'm not going to, listen, I want to have this fucking man-all, man-all conversation.
Fucking right, I do.
Of course I do.
And I am home, by the way.
I mean, dude, though, like, I've got fucking, you know, dm's going back, though, like, pretty much, like, almost, like, three months before this situation that we're talking about, where, like, it's talking about, clearly talking about monetizing spaces.
Of course.
Like, the monetizing spaces conversation was happening a long time ago.
I'm not going to bullshit, right?
So, like, yeah, there was a message in life.
It was like, hey, we can use the corp to fund Rack FM, right?
That was a direct message.
I'm talking way before, dude, I'm talking way before this, man.
I'm not talking about conversations.
I'm not talking about conversations with you, dude.
Sorry, I'm talking about conversations with other people about monetizing spaces.
A hundred percent.
I'm talking about conversations in December.
I'm talking about conversations in December, right, with people relevant to conversation about monetizing spaces.
Right?
That's all I'm saying.
Like, my thing was, like, people can't talk over each other because it's not good.
People can't hear.
Isn't it, wasn't it, wasn't it Rack FM, not about the individuals?
Wasn't it about the collective, not the individuals, I thought.
Like, I thought everybody got that idea that it was the collective, not the, like, I thought that was the thing.
I don't know.
I got that one wrong.
So, my understanding of Rack FM was, Rack FM was built by a community collective on standing up against, like, the, quote, unquote.
No, it wasn't.
No, it wasn't.
It was built by you and I.
Fuck all that shit.
Talk all your, you and I.
It came from, like, thinking in the brain, right?
Like, ultimately, it came from that, right?
And, fuck yeah.
Like, we built that thing and then we built, we brought more people into it and we built into a community thing, right?
Like, ultimately, that's what it was and that's what it came to be.
And Finn had the idea of making it more official, more professional, more structured and I was on board with it.
I was like, fuck yeah.
Like, what a great idea.
What a great thing to do.
And it turned into this thing where we're, like, fucking six, eight hours a night every single weekend where we're hosting spaces, which was good from a community perspective.
And we had a great time.
And then, as soon as it became, like, this, like, every single day of the week thing, which was fucking amazing, and we brought people that could do those things into it, it was, like, it took over, right?
Like, everyone was, like, Rack FM this, Rack FM that.
It was, like, you know, Rugg FM, Rack FM for the culture.
And it was amazing.
Everyone had a good time.
Everyone enjoyed it.
And as soon as, like, this kind of funding question came into it, it felt like it got, like, really awkward.
And I have no, like, interest in, like...
Was I wrong, though?
Wait a minute.
Was I wrong?
I know you're on these sub-dows and blah, blah, blah.
Was I wrong?
I wanted, like, get...
Like, I wanted fucking Ambedo paying.
I wanted Brasco paying, you know?
Like, I mean, I just want people paying rather than doing fucking hard, long fucking hours for fucking what?
For the culture, man.
Like, literally, that's the thing, is paying people, you know?
Like, no, and this is, like, I think this is, like, the fundamental thing that, like, I'm so disappointed that it turned out this way, is that fundamentally, the people that were involved in it agree with you.
That, like, the, you know, Ambedo, Brasco, you know, you, other people that were, like, hosts and artists and stuff.
Like, whoever didn't have other involvements in other projects or, like, other ways of being funded were on board.
And everyone was, like, loving it.
Yeah, but, Rama, when you get a DM and it's, like, didn't put my name on that prop, you got...
Like, dude, you're gonna react.
Like, yeah, every action, like, gets a reaction.
You know, we know that's the enough snatch, right?
But, like, I totally agree.
Like, I went OTT.
I'm putting my hands up and I'm totally seeing that, right?
But what I'm seeing is, is, like, you know, there's a little bit of context.
There's a little bit of nuance to everything.
We've all had a part to play, right?
It's not like fucking, you know, everyone else is squeaky clean and there's any Robbo or fucking bad man Robbo, like, you know, Trump.
But what I'm seeing is, is, like, yeah, like, at the root of it, I'm probably, you know, the main fucking antagonist, blah, blah, blah.
But what I am seeing is that, like, you know, there's no smoke without fire is all I'm kind of seeing.
That's all I want to see.
So, you know me, I try to, like, look at this, like, impartially and, you know.
I know you do.
What are we in, like, four months now, right?
Like, financially, what are we to gain from this?
Like, absolutely fuck all in the scheme of things, right?
Dude, it's killed me, man.
It's killed me.
I'm only sporting your one.
It's killing me.
I don't fucking care about, like, a couple hundred USD, right?
Like, what I care about is, like, I'm so disappointed and upset about, like, how this whole thing transpired.
So, like...
Do you not think my fucking heart's beating brick and, like...
Like, let me speak, right?
So, as an Australian, and I think if you spoke to this earlier, and I'm going to speak to this as an Australian,
is that if one of my mates is, and I'm aware of it, and I'm in the same chat,
and one of my mates is, like, saying some shit that, like, is towards or against or, like, upsets another mate,
I'm going to step in and be like, oi, pull your fucking head in, right?
And I don't care who it is, who you are, what you are.
And I'm going to be like, oi, I think that you're not, like, you're not going about this the right way.
Here is the facts.
Here is the info.
Have a look at what you're doing and what you're saying and sort yourself out.
And I tried to do that on Space, like, shortly after it happened.
I remember jumping on a Space's, Space, sorry, Finn, with...
Sorry, Finn.
Yeah, sorry, Finn.
And I was like, like, I vividly remember being just like, Robbo, you're wrong.
Like, this is not what is happening.
Like, we're not trying to shut down the funding.
What we're trying to say is we want to support Rack FM
and we want to support the people who are putting in the work behind the scenes.
But Gaines and I, two of us, out of, like, six or seven,
have other opportunities or other things that we're being funded from
that we're not comfortable being funded through Rack FM.
We'll do it for free.
We want to support...
Yeah, but that wasn't how the conversation went.
That wasn't how the conversation went.
Let's be fair.
That's literally the messages.
Post the screenshots.
I know exactly what I said.
I'm part of two sub-dows.
I don't...
That might have been after.
That might have been after, Rama.
That might have been in the event.
Post the listen.
Hey, can I say something real quick as a moderator?
Let's remember, like, the really meat and potatoes of this conversation
and not look for, like, other little things to be right or wrong on.
Let's just try to have this conversation and resolve it.
Like, you know what I mean, guys?
Can we get Gaines up?
Can we get Gaines up?
All right, Gaines, come on, son.
No, I sent him a message.
He's busy working right now, so he can't talk, so.
Wait, is he still on night shift, is he?
No, he's working at Stargaze right now, so he's...
Oh, Jesus Christ, Gaines.
He's not building planes, you mean?
He's not designing planes.
No, you guys are laughing at me, but that's the message I got.
No, no, I was taking...
Okay.
I hope he's keeping his fireworks in a safe place.
Did you see all those motherfuckers he had in the boot of the van?
Jesus Christ, he's starting World War III, isn't he?
He's got more fucking nukes in Iraq, that cunt.
Yeah, so, you know, I think...
I don't...
You know, I appreciate you trying to change the topic,
but I think we need to get, like, the core of this right.
For myself, personally, and I'm going to, like...
Talk some...
Talk straight now, and please don't interrupt if that's okay.
I know I haven't done exactly the right things, right?
So, when the situation happened, I probably could have reached out to you, Robbo,
directly, and been like, hey, I don't like how you're talking about me, or, like, what's happening, etc.
Didn't go about that exactly the right way.
I'm not a fan of conflict.
I'm not a fan of, you know, that kind of dialogue.
It's not who I am.
My job is, like, resolving conflict and, like, working forward.
Left it for way too long, definitely.
I spoke to some people in DMs about your, like, certain tweets that you've put out
that I know are directly related to me, and I know are about me.
I'm not going to name names because of privacy and stuff.
I definitely have not created any form of, like, RACFM boycotts or anything of that nature.
When I got voted out of the DAO, I said that good luck, like, well wishes to the DAO.
And I genuinely mean that.
Like, I think RACFM crew and the RACFM members, you've got a really good crew.
You can do amazing things.
I said I'd never join the spaces again, got asked multiple times.
The only reason I joined tonight was because I got asked many times,
come and join us, get over and done with, which I think is a good thing.
Between you and I, Robbo, I think I'm super disappointed that we couldn't resolve it
between each other.
And, you know, man to man, we tried to do that several times between the groups
and it didn't happen.
But here we are, right?
What was the – Rama, Rama, can I ask you a question?
Go ahead.
What was the fucking RACFM mission, though, bro?
It was just to build culture, wasn't it?
That's all we wanted to do, wasn't it?
Build culture.
Yeah.
How did we get away from what we were, like, our goal, our mission?
Like, I don't know, dude.
It's a tough world out there in Web3.
That's all I will say, dude.
No, and I think this is, like, part of where my message to bands and, you know,
perhaps my own self where I didn't get involved enough, right?
And it's recorded, so I love this because you need to be open and honest about these
things, right?
So RACFM was supposed to be built around the community, for the community, and bringing
the real shit to the community, right?
And when I messaged bands, what was it, like, a few months ago, and I was like, hey, like,
you know, some of the stuff that you were saying specifically, and I'm going to, like, say
you, because I think it's relevant, was like, and I messaged, I was like, hey, like, I think
these things aren't true.
Oh, I'll not deny it.
I'll not deny it.
No, no, no.
I'm not saying you will, right?
Like, it's, there's no, like, you know, you know, some of this stuff is, like, it's,
I was, I think my wording was very poor, and I was like, hey, I'm glad that this is stuff
that you're happy to be associated with, knowing what you know, right?
And that's very poor messaging from my behalf.
And when I woke up the next morning, I think it was, like, 10, 11 p.m. or something, I woke
up the next morning, and I was, like, heading into swimming with my kids, and I messaged bands,
and I was like, hey, can we please have a call?
Because I felt bad about what I said.
And I said, and she was like, yep, sure.
And I explained to her, I was like, hey, what I said in text was very, very shit.
Like, that's not, like, what I meant at all.
What I was trying to say was that the messaging that RackFM and yourself on some of your tweets
is turning people away from joining into the RackFM and community, right?
And there was very specific messaging, like, some of the stuff around, like, tell me to
shut up anytime.
But, like, some of the stuff was, like, around, like, women from Cosmos and, like, being, like,
clickbait or whatever, right?
And I was like, that's not, like, that's not how you build a community.
And that's not what RackFM was for.
Oh, by the way, by the way, though, that, and if Joe was here, Joe would come in and,
like, I'd write, okay, I do apologise about that, but that's me and Joe, like, going at
each other and having a laugh, like, and I do apologise if that was misconstrued by people.
But, like, if Joe was here, Joe would come in and say, nah, nah, nah.
Like, the crack we have in the DMs is completely different to what you think you see, like,
online.
So, yeah, I do apologise.
No, so, like, I, like, and that's fine.
The problem is, is that the wider community doesn't see the DMs, right?
So, if you're trying to build a community around an account such as RackFM, and this
is, like, what I tried to get through to B-Bands in the voice call that we had was, what you're
trying to build is a brand of RackFM.
And every single person associated with that brand is associated and tied to that brand.
Your actions and your words and what you do and what you say is associated and tied to
that brand.
So, if you devalue a certain community member, such as Women From Cosmos, who is a very valued
and respected community member, who has earned her place in the community, it devalues what
you're trying to build.
And my message to Bands in the original message of, like, I'm glad you support this, was very
poor.
And I admitted that and I apologised to that.
I jumped on the call as soon as I could and said, sorry.
I thank you for that.
I thank you for that.
And I was like, that's not what I meant.
And I think we spent, like, an hour, Bands, like, talking about it and being like, sorry.
But I, you know, but you know that I, I think I kind of, I understood what you were saying.
I wasn't upset.
We weren't upset at all.
Yeah, yeah.
And it was more like, the first thing that I did was, like, I tried to message you and
reach out and chat to you about it specifically and, like, admit to it.
Because me as a person, I was like, that's not what I meant.
And I wanted to clear it up and speak to you directly about it.
So, when, and what I was trying to say.
Oh, Rama, she came after me.
I mean, bro, let's not, I mean, Bands came on the space, fucking foreman.
I mean, she was so angry with me, man.
Correct.
And I don't want to go there.
So, what I was trying to get to is, like, myself as a person is, like, if I have a conflict
and I have an issue, now what I'm going to do is, like, address it and just, like, get
to it, talk to it, which is what we're doing now.
And I realized that with Bands, it's like, the only way you can deal with this stuff
is to talk to it and be open and honest about it.
And I tried to do that with you.
You know, we tried to schedule the call within the right group, et cetera.
And here we are now.
Can I, can I, can I, can I see on this point, though, and I do really want to say this,
and I hope my mate down there, I see him with this, is it Yeah, Yeah, or Your, I'm not
too sure, Yeah, Yeah or something, right, isn't it?
Yeah, Your, is that one?
Yeah, Your, I did reach out by DM, like, I mean, it probably might not have been, like,
the best DM, actually, in the world when I think back, but I was, like, I did reach
out by DM, like, and I do understand why I got blanked, totally and utterly, like, fine,
like, I might have been, I probably would have been the same myself, like, but yeah, I did,
I did try to reach out shortly after by DM to kind of, like, say, you know, I'm sorry,
like, like, that wasn't my intention, or blah, blah, blah, but I thought this is where,
like, kind of, I mean, I'm misread, I'm misread many things, that's, that's a big issue,
is I did misread, but Roma, I'm glad that you said, I'm glad, I'm glad, I'm glad you said
Let him, um, Robo, let him ask this question real quick, just, you guys are, you, yeah,
yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, B-Benz, you mentioned you've reached out to Gaines, and I, and I
respect that, and that's fine, and if Gaines wants to come up and speak to that, that's
okay.
Yeah, but I don't think it was the best DM, I could have done better.
No, no, and that's fine.
What I'd like to say is, I consider you one of my best mates, right, and we had a falling
out, whether we liked it or not.
Like, you never DM'd me one time, to, like, chat, to jump into a call, to talk about it,
to express your feelings or your emotions or your displeasure or your uncomfort or whatever.
Not one time did you DM'd me in any format or in any way, and...
Roma, I was fucking forming.
I apologize, but I was, dude, I was fucking, I didn't know why I was forming at the fucking
time, like, like, bad move, you know, but...
Like, I get that, right, but, like, the follow-up tweets that I know are, like, about me, like,
that was super, like, hurtful, man, like, and I'm just being straight with you, right?
Like, I consider you, like, one of my best mates, and, like, I know when you, like, sub-tweet
me and when you, like, tweet about that stuff, and it's...
I know when it's about me, and that's, like, the one time that I DM'd bands about it, and
I was, like, hey, like, this is about me, and I don't like this, and this isn't cool.
So, um, and that's, like, when I kicked off the whole, like, and it took bands to, like...
Sorry, I did that, Roma.
I am.
I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm not actually, sorry, I'm, like, slightly ashamed, because I do know
that I did go OTT, but, like, I say, man, the bear in the cage, you know?
Robbo, hold up, Bob.
So, like, what I want to say is, like, I'm sorry to bands that I put her in that position,
right, and I've already apologised to her, and I've always called, because it shouldn't
be her place to do that, or say that shit, right, and, um, I expected...
I lost my shit over that, Roma.
I lost my shit over that in my bad mind, and your woman put me in my fucking place as well,
mind.
She's, like, who the fuck are you to speak about me, like, speak up, you think I need you,
you daft little cunt, shut the fuck up, and fucking take care of me fucking self.
I felt so humbled that night.
Yeah, so, uh, for me, it's, like, I finally got talked into coming here, and to talk about
it, and I think it's good that we have, um, the biggest thing for me is, I think, um...
Will you ever trust me again, will you?
Can you trust me or not?
I think that's an important question right now, maybe you can't, because, like, trust
is one of those things, isn't it, that's, like, quite weird, like...
Trust is earned, and I think, uh, I trusted a lot of the RACFM team in general, and I think
there's a few people within the RACFM team that I trust currently, um, and I think it's
very hard to earn trust, and, uh, from a team that I'd spend a lot of time with in, like,
DMs and group chats and stuff, for the, the wider team to, like, vote me out of a DAO without
any of them messaging me directly to ask, and I'm not, like, holding this as grudges, right?
I think B-Bans knows this, so I'll talk to her.
That wasn't them, though?
That wasn't them?
That was me?
Like, I pushed, I bought on them?
I, I, no, let me finish, right, I talk to B-Bans every now and then, and she knows that
I don't hold any grudges, and I think, uh, a lesson for DAOs in general is that, uh, reach
out to members of your DAOs to discuss, like, where they're at, what position they're in,
what their thoughts are, and, and, like, we're all learning this stuff, right?
Like, no, no one in this chat has been through this shit before, no one, right?
So, um, if you're actively in, in any form of, like, DAO, community DAO, like, official
DAO, whatever the fuck DAO you're in, no one actually cares, right?
At the end of the day, no one really cares.
Like, talk to each other, like, reach out in the DMs, have, have, like, group calls, discuss
this shit internally, because if you don't discuss it internally, like, eventually, you
know, eventually, we all know it, like, I think people, like, shit on Don as much as
they do, but, like, he, like, he speaks the truth, like, the truth will eventually come
true, and Elon tweeted it the other day, it was, like, the most entertaining outcome will
happen, and if you don't realize that by now, then what are you doing in this space, ultimately?
Like, if you, if you hadn't been such fucking good fucking friends, do you think I would
have fucking gave a fuck?
Nah, I wouldn't have, and that's any excuse, I know, fucking rationale or reasoning or anything
like that, like, I do, like, um, real quickly want to say something, um, I had already put
it out there that, uh, what Rama said about reaching out to team members is smart, even
if, um, even if you're, like, assuming that somebody's doing something, and I just, I apologize
to Rama about assuming that conversations were being had, because I was trying to use
common sense and thinking that they were discussing things on their own, you know what I mean?
They've been friends before me and before I came into the picture, but don't assume, make
sure that you find out where people's heads are at and, you know, what's going on before,
especially if you're in a DAO with your friends, you know what I mean?
And people that you are always around, but yes, Rama, I 100% agree with you.
The DAO, the DAO decision so quickly and so abruptly was a very fucking, like, ill-advised
move, and by ill-advised, I mean me advising me fucking self.
And to be fair, like, Rama kind of, like, I'm not going to say, like, I pushed it down
their throats, but, like, I kind of did, and within, like, 24 to 48 hours, dude, I was
getting some cold shoulders and fucking hard questions, like, just so you know, like,
after the event, like, B-Bands, like, what did I fucking vote for there?
Like, what the fuck, like, it wasn't a fucking good situation, Rama, just to let you know,
like, I mean, I even said things last week on the fucking Fud Space and got a check in
the Rack FM group chat to fucking try to watch me fucking behavior in me tongue, you know?
Well, I think, like, Fud Space isn't perfect for that, right?
Like, if you're, like, identifying it as a Fud Space, the expectation is that it's
Fud, and everyone understands that it's Fud, and, like, you look at that, and you laugh
at it, and you go, that's banter, right?
Everything leading up to that, for me personally, is, I never saw it as Fud, and the way I understand
banter, that, like, I know that, like, yourself and the raccoon community that I was once part
of, and noticed the language, once part of, was, like, it was all about, like, banter,
and having fun, and, like, you know, shit-talking people, and enjoying ourselves, right?
Yeah, but doesn't that change when you start talking about money, though, doesn't it?
That's what fucking, that's the mad thing about all the money, the minute finances are
involved, that fucking the conversation changes.
Can I finish real quick, right?
Of course.
When, like, you're shit-talking people, and you're having a good time, and it's, like,
it's okay, right?
Like, I get it.
It's, like, hey, you're having a good time, and it's fun.
Like, finances, in the scheme of what we're talking about, is fucking nothing, right?
Like, all of, like, my job, I get paid, like, $160,000, $180,000 a year.
I don't fucking care about a few thousand dollars a year in crypto.
I really don't, right?
So, when you put out tweets, like, oh, he fucking, he gave up, or, like, he sold his
soul for, like, a few quid, or whatever, like, I don't fucking care about crypto money.
Like, the amount of time and money that I put into the work that I do for Juno, or for
DowDow, or whatever the fuck I put my time and effort into, it pales in comparison to
what I could earn in my real job, right?
Like, so, that stuff, when, like, it's tweeted out on, like, you put that on Blast, and then
you say it on Spaces, and that sort of stuff, like, as a mate, that's, it hurts me, man.
Like, I'm, like, I'm a dude who fucking has a family, and I have a job that earns good
money in Australia.
And I'm earning, like, $20 US an hour to fucking put in a few hundred hours of work for fuck
all money in crypto, and I get paid in Juno, which is worth 35 cents.
Like, it doesn't fucking matter to me in the scheme of my life.
I do it because I want to try and add value to the Juno community and the Juno ecosystem,
right?
Wasn't that our ethos from day one, though?
Isn't that how it all fucking started, no?
I'm not sure what, no, no, I just mean that, like, when we started, though, like, crypto,
you can, people can say it's always about the money, but it was never about the fucking
money with us.
It was always about, like, finding out what was happening next, like, being ahead of the
fucking pack.
It definitely cannot be about the money, because my ass has been here for a long time, and
I don't fucking know about no money that people are talking about.
What the fuck?
I don't want to, like, sorry, Banz, I don't want to, like, drive it in or anything, right, Robbo,
but, like, that's my whole point, is, like, and I don't want to get to, like, the core
of it, and, like, you know, this is why I wanted to have this as a private call and not as a
space, right, is because the messaging that you put out and the tweets that you put out
that were directly, like, attacking me, and I know that they were about me, right, is,
like, it feels so, like, direct, and direct, like, it is so hurtful, and it feels like
it's from the heart, and it's so painful in a way, and it's, like.
For that, I am sorry.
For that, I do apologize, yeah.
No, no, you're right, you're right.
You are right, though.
I think you should give him a chance to...
No, I just want to, I just want to say it to Rahma.
I just want to very quickly...
He's right, he's right, he's right.
I want, I want you to, I want you to...
I can't remove...
I know, you can mute me anytime, I'm just a speaker, I'm not a co-host.
Um...
Oh, no, I wasn't, I was trying to be nice.
I want, I want you, Robbo, to, I'm not saying now, but at some point, like, look at, look
inside yourself, and at the actions that you take, or you have taken, or that you will
take at some point, right, and think of how they will benefit you, or your friends, or
your future, and are those things irrational or rational?
Because, from my perspective, what I've tried to do, and yeah, sure, Timmy, you're here right
now, right?
I should talk to you, right?
When the whole Joe thing happened, I did that, and I was like, I didn't like how you did some
of those things, and I should have talked to you about those things, right?
I should have, man-on-man, talked to you about those things.
I learnt from that experience, and I evolved from that experience, and I didn't do that
with Robbo, when he did certain things.
I shut my mouth, I hid away, I walked away from those things, and I didn't get involved
in the drama, right?
I should have talked to you, man-on-man, and been like, hey, I don't like some of these
things that you're doing.
And I tried to, with the corporation, make this a community thing, and I didn't want
to be the leader.
I didn't want to be the face of it.
I wanted it to be a community thing, and the intention was, fuck the nine-to-fives who
do this shit, they leave it, they breathe it, they are the corporate blockchain people,
and the corporation was for the community.
And then it got turned on me that I grew this massive ego for, like, 600 US dollars.
I don't fucking care about 600 US dollars, right?
It's nothing to me in the scheme of my life.
And that's the thing that really upset me, was, like, such a small amount of money tried,
like, Robbo, specifically, you tried to turn that against me as a person in the community.
It's so small in my life.
I don't fucking care.
What I tried to do was, like, use the DowDow platform to promote Juno, to promote DowDow,
to promote what community can do.
And it actually added value to Juno and the community.
We've got Chris, we've got AtlasDow, we've got RackFM.
Those things are real DAOs that the corporation will never be, right?
They're groups of people who can build businesses behind them, that can add value to a community,
to an ecosystem.
And you try to turn that against me, when all I was trying to do was showcase the power of blockchain.
Does that make sense?
I'm going to shut up.
Of course it does.
No, no, well said.
Well said.
Well said.
There was a few things in there, like, on, like, massive respect.
Well said, bro.
If you want to, like, counter it, please do.
Like, I know that, like...
No, no, no, no, no.
Like, you're right about the tweets, wait.
You're right about the tweets.
You know, I should learn when not to tweet and when to fucking talk to people in a fucking
DM, like, fucking...
Yeah.
Like, honestly...
And the biggest thing for me is, like...
Sorry.
Oh, shut up.
You can speak.
Yeah, you're wrong with me.
Yeah, give me a chance.
No, no, no, no.
He's right, though, isn't he?
Like, I didn't know what this obsession is with, like, fucking wanting to fucking just
be fucking public instead of, like, being able to, like, slip in a DM and, like, blah,
blah, blah, like, in these kind of situations or whatever, you know?
It's not a fucking...
Not a good look, like...
Like, you know, there's a few things, Rama, yeah.
But, like, you know, I'm going to be honest, dude.
Like, this, generally speaking, regardless of, like, my behavior, like, afterwards, the
general concept of the whole idea is actually just a very...
Just a misread, right?
Like, you lot read me wrong, I read you lot wrong, and it was just, like, the wrong time,
I think, for it to happen, actually.
With, like, what was happening at the time and what we were trying to do, et cetera, et cetera,
all of the different projects, all the different things that was happening, blah, blah.
Like, yeah, man.
Like, can we not be...
Like, isn't it...
You're an adult when you can fucking stand up and say, like, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I fucking called that wrong, I called that wrong, I got that wrong.
Like, can we both agree that, like...
And all three of us, all of us, like, we've got this wrong at times.
Whether it was your DM and B band, whether it was me fucking putting these tweets out,
which you're totally right about.
And I really resent me for the fact that those tweets hurt you.
Like, dude, I do really apologise wholeheartedly for that mind.
Because I do know there's some venom sometimes, like, and I do apologise for that.
But, like, where do we go from here, Rama, will be my question.
I mean, I've taught you for countless hours offline.
I mean, it seems like I can hear in your voice, like, Rama, like, like, it almost sounds like you've not give up on me.
But, like, you're pretty much fucking virtually there.
Like, I didn't know what I can do to get you back, bro.
I don't.
But whatever it is, I'll do it.
You manning up there.
You manning up there.
Timmy, though, just made me, like, feel fucking so, like, fucking shit that's insignificance.
And, like, you've seen, like, you've learned and you've evolved and maybe I haven't, you know.
Maybe I might need that bit of guidance to do that.
Why can't we be friends?
Why can't we be friends?
Listen, you know, here's, I just kind of want to, you guys have been talking a little bit.
I know there's probably more you want to say.
But I do want to say this one thing.
I understand trust is earned and, you know, also forgiveness is something that exists, too.
And you have to decide, too, sometimes to forgive each other or to forgive whatever is making you upset
so that in doing that and you can move on and be better and know, okay, now I know what boundaries I should not be crossing.
Now I know both ways.
Both of us understand, you know, how we should be communicating.
Now that that's been established, you know, maybe it's time for, like, some forgiveness to go between the both of you.
And moving, hold on, hold on, let me finish.
And moving forward because, you know how, like, somebody does something to you and then you're like, you know what, I'm going to decide to forgive this person.
And you forgive them, right?
And then after that boundary's been crossed, you can continue being friends and everything's okay.
But then there's other people where you do that and they continue to cross those boundaries, right?
They seem like they don't learn.
But in this situation, if you guys decide to, like, okay, we're going to try this, then, you know, if one of you crosses that boundary again or something like this happens,
then you already know that at that point, you know, okay, I need to move on because I'm uncomfortable.
But I just wanted to say that because I really like this conversation and I hope that it continues to go as positively as I think it's going.
We are, we are two, I'll tell you what, Rama and I are two sides of the same coin.
And there's a few, there's a few, there's a few nuances that, like, I would give to that is, first of all, I know Rama fucking, like, in his early years, grew up in quite a rough environment and then created, like, an amazing, like, if you listen to his life story about him and his missus and blah, blah, like, the whole crack is, like, fucking amazing.
It's like a rags to riches story, right?
Like, myself, I'm, like, the opposite side of that.
Like, I grew up in a nice family and then just became a fucking bad boy.
Like, I don't know why, I don't know what did it.
Also, your man's, like, so analytical.
Like, I know he's, like, quite emotional and I'm speaking from the heart, et cetera, but normally, you know, he's brain first and heart second, like, when he talks, like, about crypto and everything else.
Like, me, maybe I'm heart first and brain second, you know, I put me big foot.
I told, I mean, Ambedo's still here.
Okay.
Ambedo, give me a fucking behavior check, like, last week in the group chat.
And I'm, like, whoa, okay.
He's going to come to me and say, like, Robbo, you know.
I'm, like, oh, fucking hell.
I woke up a little bit, like, when your man spoke to me.
And I said to him, like, Ambedo, I'm really sorry, you know, I have got a habit of putting me big fucking fat foot in me rather large fucking mouth.
But I am going to try.
Like, I mean, when Rama first met me, he'll tell you, I have tried to curb.
But, like, this recent shit, this.
Yeah, man, not good, Rama.
I just want to drive, hopefully, fingers crossed, Rakafem forward in a way where, you know,
we can have open dialogue, community discussion on recorded spaces as well, though, where, I don't know, Rama.
I don't know.
Rama, what would you like to happen from here?
I'm all ears, and I wish Gaines was there, because this would really, like, really sort it out.
I know he's busy.
I know he's listening.
Thanks, Gaines.
Thanks, bro.
I appreciate you.
But, Rama, where would you like to go from here?
Yeah, so I think from my perspective is, you know, short term, I think I made my message
pretty clear, like, respect and trust is earned, not given.
And once you lose it, it's gone.
You need to kind of earn it back.
And the second message that I'll say is, like, as a community member, when I kind of first
got into Cosmos, and I've made this very clear, it was, like, I gave plenty of, like, shout-outs
and respect to, you know, yourself, Robbo, for, you know, representing me and promoting
myself, you know, in the Twitter space.
300 followers, dude.
300 followers.
I didn't shut up about you.
You'll never forget that, though, will you?
So, let me make my...
I never shut up and did that.
Wait a minute.
How many times did I retweet you?
Wait a minute.
How many...
I told people, I'm going to stop tweeting.
Follow this guy.
I just want to try and deliver my message, please.
It's...
Numbers aren't everything, right?
And I'll always respect and appreciate the support that you gave me.
And the way in which you promoted me within the community, that's never going to disappear,
right?
That's never changed.
My opinion has never changed.
And now you might have saw shit on Twitter.
You think my opinion's changed.
Not one iota.
You're still fucking showbox.
You're still fucking rain, man.
I...
I...
I...
I...
You're not.
In my heart, in my fucking absolute...
Never mind all the bullshit and bravado on the Twitter fucking shit.
Nah, there's...
There's not one thing in my fucking heart changed over you, son.
All right?
Just want you to know that, right?
Yeah, thanks.
So, the thing for me is that there's a lot of time, effort that goes into being a Twitter
personality or influencer or whatever, right?
Whatever skill set, whatever value you add to the community, all that stuff takes time.
And if you get support from various community members to do those things and add value to
the community, it should be appreciated regardless of, like, how or who you're promoting or influencing
is the biggest thing that I've learned is taking a step back because Cosmos is...
And sorry, I'm repeating a message here.
Cosmos is fucking tiny, right?
Like, if we're shitting on, like, a subset of the community or a particular project within
the community within Cosmos, all we're doing is, like, detriment...
Like, it's a detriment to the Cosmos in the wider crypto space.
So...
And it might be, like, the whole fucking...
Oh, let's, you know, promote hopium or whatever, right?
Like, no one wants that shit.
Like, no one wants, like...
Oh, we're gonna go 100x, right?
Like, let's be real about the conversations, but also promote real builders and real communities
and real projects within the ecosystem.
But we need to take it outside of the community that we currently live in and the little bubble
that we live in.
Um...
Also...
I am sorry, though, Rolama.
I really want you to know that.
You're my fucking mate.
I'm not gonna say you were.
I'm gonna say you are.
You fucking are my best mate in crypto, you know that?
Fucking November 2021, we started fucking shit-coining on fucking ME, fucking CX, and all
that shit, bro, and the fucking gate fucking dips like that.
We go back so fucking far, man.
Shame on me.
Like, dude, if I made you feel like that, fucking...
Man, I...
Oh, I'm not gonna make excuses, man.
I'm fucking not.
I'm not Rolama.
Fucking past it.
I did.
I had this all up with B-Bounds the other week, bro.
It's fucking...
Yeah.
I am sorry, Rolama.
Please.
I understand that, like, right now, I'm like...
If, like, I...
If you were here, I'd grab you in a little headlock, no?
Yeah, so, like, the biggest thing for me is, right, like, I think I understand where you're
coming from, Robbo.
I really do, like, within yourself, right?
Like, I think that's why we, like, connected so well and we're so good mates, is because
I understand.
Like, I understand the challenges that you've been through and the struggles you've been
through, and the only way, like, you kind of work through that is, like, take a good
look within yourself, and it's fucking hard, man.
Like, I get it.
Like, I've been through it.
I really have.
Take a step back and realize that, like, the things that I do or the things that I say,
and it's going to hurt internally, but if you truly have friends that you trust and respect,
they're going to understand it, man.
Like, they really are.
And unless you can talk to them about it, you're not going to build real relationships.
And if you can find those people that you can talk to those things about and express
those emotions and those feelings with, they're the people that you're going to have, like,
real long-standing, long-lasting relationships with.
And that might have been shit in the past.
I get it, right?
Like, um, but without that, what do you, what do you got?
Like, it's, and I think, and this is why I wanted to fucking do it offline, man.
Really, it is.
Like, dogs are so fucking trusting.
I think it's more, I think it's more important that it's actually fucking online.
I mean.
And that's fine, right?
Like, dogs are so fucking trusting.
They're so understanding.
They are honest to the fucking bone, right?
When you look at them and they look at you, you just fucking know exactly what each other
wants, the trust, the respect.
And that's why I think you have such a good relationship between dogs, right?
Is because you have your dogs and they fucking listen to every single word you say, right?
And me with my dog until I had a family, it was the exact same thing.
And then you have a family and you're like, well, hang on a minute.
Now, all of a sudden, the shit changes.
The relationships change.
The trust, the respect, the hierarchy changes, right?
Like, a three-year-old doesn't fucking care about your hierarchy, right?
But when you take that into a crypto space, it's like, we're talking to people that
we don't really know and understand, right?
There's a 40-year-old, there's a 20-year-old, there's a 30-year-old, there's a fucking
a master's in a business degree, there's a master's in an economics degree.
And they're going to be way smarter than you.
And then there's Cephi, and then there's Cephi.
It's a fucking doctor, right?
You're sitting on a million dollars worth of fucking fiat who can deploy in any cryptocurrency
and pump it 150%, right?
And they don't give a fucking shit about your thoughts on a crypto space.
This is, they're going to be like, oh, OXCoin, amazing, right?
So, it's the whole, like, this Web3 thing is so new and unique in the world space that
you need to, like, take a step back as a person.
And this is what I've done for, like, the last few months, right?
To, like, tone it back a level, but also go deeper.
It's like, the whole thing for me was, like, this shit happened.
And I was like, I'm about to have another kid.
And I want my son to be born into a space that's fucking positive.
It's a positive environment.
It's happy.
It's a happy family.
And I haven't had that for three years because of COVID.
And I was like, when I looked at my crypto persona and life, I was like, this shit is
not what I want to bring into my home life.
It was like, none of it was happy, right?
Like, I enjoyed being around in spaces, but I was fucking working my ass off.
I was here all day, every day, working my ass off in my Fiat job.
I was on crypto six hours a day.
I was staying up till 3 a.m.
And then I was fucking stressed.
And I was, like, doing blockchain analytics and all this shit.
And I was like, what the fuck am I doing?
The only thing that pays me money is my Fiat job, which feeds my family.
Why am I in crypto?
Right?
So, I took a step back and I was like, it just happened to coincide with the drama.
And I was like, step back and be like, bring my son into a happy family, happy life, happy
Fiat job, comfortable, safe.
And I was like, how fucking good is this?
And then I'd, like, check Twitter.
And then I'd see tweets and I'd be like, what the fuck, man?
Like, I thought I was, like, doing okay.
I thought I wasn't shit-talking people.
I was trying to, like, be like, hey, do your thing.
Promote people.
Okay, bro.
Support people.
No, bro.
No, no.
Like, we get it.
Like, I get it.
I get it.
I get it.
I've already, like, apologized.
Like, Rama, I've kind of said, like, you know, I'm not going to be Nelson Mandela or anything.
Like, but, like, you know, for the good of the industry, this conversation or no, us, us, I think.
There's a lot of people, like, listening in, like, Rama, who really fucking care right now.
And by the way, the call the other week, I did message, like, straight away, even before the appointment was, like, put in the chat.
I was like, I cannot do it.
Like, I'm coming home from work that day.
Like, I literally, it's like, there's only two days of the week.
I can't do that time.
I'm like, oh.
Like, I felt really bad about it.
But Rama, listen to me, dude.
Listen to me.
No, no.
Dude, I fail every word.
Right?
I get every fucking word.
All right?
Like, me fucking heart is paced with fucking truths.
Let's see.
I just give a fuck, like, dude, about are you and I going to have, like, well, one way or another.
Yeah, it might take time.
We might have to do, you know, a couple more fucking conversations, maybe offline or whatever.
Right?
Right?
But, like, are we?
I think you guys should be sticking into each other's DMs.
I think, I think, I think, I think, like, Rama and I, though, like, again, you know, together as a combined force of, like, brains and crack, crack factory.
I don't know.
I've just missed fucking shoebox, man.
There's only ever been one shoebox, man.
It's never been filled, has it?
Couldn't be filled, could it?
Who's going to fill that Rama?
Who's going to count the toothpicks?
Oh, he's gone quiet.
Am I getting rugby bands on it?
Fuck, I'm getting rubbed, aren't I?
No, we can hear you.
Oh, I'm getting rubbed.
He's, oh, okay, Rama's maybe having a shit or a piss or something.
Uh, wow.
Uh, Timmy.
I mean, that was quite a, a long, uh, dialogue there.
Uh, Timmy, anything to say?
You're up here as a speaker.
Sorry, bro.
Not to put you under pressure.
Fucking on.
I mean, the one time you've asked Timmy to talk, you've seen Timmy say something and
he has nothing to say.
No way.
That's impossible, right?
I don't believe it.
Timmy has nothing to say.
This is absolute bullshit.
Rama.
B-Bands is like, well, Robbo, earlier, do you want to say something?
Do you want to say something?
I literally ran in the restaurant for a piss, dude.
I was like, I'm in the middle of a piss listening to B-Bands.
Like, Robbo, you got anything to say?
And I'm like, not right now.
I will have, but we're not right now.
Anyway.
No, so I think, uh, you know, um, just in, like, general, right?
Like, um.
Can I, can I, Greg, can we, can we have some positivity for fuck's sake, Rala?
Yeah.
Go for it, man.
I heard, I heard, I heard there's a working group.
So I heard on the grapevine that RISD, it's a lot, oh, put a letter out to Juno.
And then a few.
At that time someone spoke about.
I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw you fucking straight in there saying, uh, yeah, yeah, that's
exactly what's needed.
A working group, happy to facilitate, like, blah.
Next thing we know, you've got fucking every cunt who fucking, like, has got an intelligent
opinion about Juno involved in trying to resurrect Juno.
I mean, good fucking job team.
That's all I'm going to say.
Good fucking job.
Yeah.
So I think, um, the intention is, uh, in the short term is like put together a group
that can work together to try and put together a plan for Juno, right?
Like, um, uh, I've been, I was pretty open about it.
Like I work with the core team on like building evolutions and what that document, what that
kind of vision entailed.
I did get paid for that personally, not through core one, um, to do that thing.
And like delivering a document is, it's nowhere near enough to like deliver a vision and execute
on that vision.
Um, and, uh, what I found was like that felt pretty flat across the ecosystem and the community
and, you know, multiple factors, right?
Like, um, uh, historically core one is like pretty, uh, quiet in her approach about how
they do things.
Um, they're not very transparent, you know, funding props, et cetera.
And, uh, you know, Julotto put out the tweet, which kind of coincided with some messaging
that I had to call one members of like, we need to engage community.
And I was like, hell yeah, this is like a line to what I was trying to do anyway.
And like what, putting it on blast on like, Hey, yes, let's do this thing.
This meant that like, I could just create a telegram group, bring Risby and bring some core one
members in that were already on telegram and make a group.
And there was kind of two groups in the short term.
One of them was like a project working group, which was, uh, supposed to be like core projects
on Juno that were trying to deliver and build on Juno.
And then the next, the second one that I had to kind of alongside it was like, uh, like
a more official core two working group, which was, uh, segue, I guess there's, there's like
a core one and core two telegram group, which is like core one.
And then a bunch of like core two people who aren't official core two people, which is
really weird.
And most of them are inactive.
There's like 26 people in there.
Um, what I wanted to do was like bring in fresh blood into core two, make core two
official, and then have a project working group, which was, pardon me, gelato, rack,
domaterium labs, signal, people actually building on Juno that could then talk to core one or
we'll liaise with certain core one members.
What we found was like both of those groups were the same thing.
So within like a few days, we just like merged them and there was just like one larger core
working group and, uh, uh, there's like incredible amount of talent in that group.
So, uh, like why foundry Dow is like economist Dow, um, uh, Dow structure, Dow strategy, which
is valuable for Juno, incredibly value, valuable.
So, um, signal don't want to dox those people, but very, very good value in like economics, um,
domaterium labs and gelato with like project management and business management.
And it was like, all these people bring amazing skills to Juno that we're not valuing and we're
not like using in the way that we could benefit Juno.
Oh, how come, how come, sorry, dude.
How come like, uh, Clio, Clio media has got like two seats.
So they've got like their traditional like validator seat, but they've got RV as well.
The book of healing.
Can, can you explain the rationale between them getting like two slots or what?
Yeah, of course.
So, um, I can explain it more than that, even if you want.
Um, so gelato has like four seats, right?
There's no like, um, there's no like seats.
There's no voting power, right?
Um, the, the working group is bringing in Juno projects and teams and individuals who add
value to the working group to try and bring about change to Juno.
So gelato has like four members, um, Clio meters has two or three members.
White boundary now has two or three members members.
Um, Avi's not actually part of Clio meters.
He was previously, he's not actively part of Clio meters, which is where he's.
Oh, I didn't know.
That's the reason for the class.
No, I didn't know.
Sorry.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I think this is where like, again, like the, the post that we put out is like quite
limited.
It's like, Hey, here's the people, here's the projects, here's the team, um, that we need
to expand on.
And I'm trying to like write up a thread about each people, each person's skills or each
project skills.
Take time.
Um, Avi's very,
very, very good at certain things, not part of Clio previously was right.
Gelato is very good at like business management, moving fast, um, project management, uh, very
good, like legal side of things.
Uh, there's like such a diverse set of skills that we didn't articulate very well in the
core root tweet thread, which is, I think it's hard to like announce a group without like
going into too much detail that no one cares.
So I think announcing the project and the people is like very important of like, here's who's
involved.
And now the next steps is the people in the project actually deliver something, which is
the main message that we're trying to send is we don't want to like talk about it.
We want to actually deliver value.
We want to bring about change and implement something because Juno's talked so fucking
much about, Oh, we're going to do this.
We want to do this or here's how we're going to do things.
The working group is about actually fucking doing things and not talking about things,
which is, it's hard and it's a lot of work.
Rama, Rama, I don't, Rama, that signal is going to be like Rama, Rama, Rama.
I don't want to honestly, I could listen to your silky tones all night.
Listen, so do you know what's just happened?
Little Gaines is doing a space with a white wheel and I know you've got to go to bed,
Rama.
So you like for everyone in the audience, Rama, you normally babysit Saturday morning when
your missus goes to like the park to do like Pilates and that.
Is that right?
Do I remember that right?
Not, not tomorrow.
Oh shit.
What day is tomorrow?
It's almost like this was planned.
Oh wait, shall we, shall we just though?
Listen, how funny Rama from back in the old days.
Shall we just bombing the Gaines of Space and everybody start emojiing?
Like what should we do?
Shall we do the fist?
The communist like fist?
I don't know why that's even an emoji, but like we need to agree on a plan.
We need to all just bail in the Gaines of Space and just start emojiing the fuck out
of like them and white wheel, right?
All right.
So are you saying that we wrap this one up, we go into white whale and then we do a kick
ons?
We all request the speakers.
We all request the speakers.
Let's do a takeover.
Come on.
Let's go.
Only if we, only if we do a kick ons where we continue the conversation.
Of course.
I'm all, I'm all ears, bro.
Trust me.
I don't, I'm not going anywhere, mate.
I'm, I'm here for life, bro.
This dude's been requesting.
This dude's been, B-Bands is seeing this guy requesting.
I know.
I just don't want to get spammed.
I don't want to fuck up the space and all this freaking weird spam.
Ross, send me a message.
Send me a DM.
If you want to get up here, send me a DM, bro.
What?
Net-a-da-da got spammed the other day and they just carried on.
They had like fucking 896 fucking tweets in the space.
Like it was just the line.
You know, when the nest goes to the line, there's no dots like that.
And it was a, it was a skinny line.
A fat line is quite a few.
A skinny line is a lot.
Man, they carried on.
They just regarded it.
But oh, they went on for hours.
Yeah.
That was like clickbait.
We got stuff on our feed.
Check it out.
Oh, I kind of be doing, I had to leave straight away.
I kind of be seeing prolapses in the nest.
I mean, it's ridiculous.
I think, though, we should all just jump in and start doing emojis to represent Gaines.
Like, I mean, White Wheeler class, but like Gaines is better.
Rama, I'll be seeing you on the dark side.
I hope like, bro, this has been a really fucking really good and important talk.
Like, really good.
My man.
All I have to say is that I love both of you and I'm so happy you guys are talking.
And now I can sleep a lot better at night that this has happened.
Thanks, guys.
Ask him how many toothpicks are on the floor.
Just ask him how many toothpicks are on the floor, right?
We'll get somebody that's a good time.
He can only drive on Wednesdays, right?
Make sure we have another space after Gaines is all right?
Because we're going to continue this.
Yes.
Yes, let's do this.
Let's go.
I'm coming on, Rat FM.
Let's go and emoji the life out of them.
Guys, Cosmos Spaces, White Wheel.
Let's go.
We'll be right back.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Here we go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
Let's go.
