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RAC FM Weekly Show with the Bad Kid in Bali, Mr Sheldon of NEAR fame🦝
Recorded: March 31, 2023 Duration: 2:22:23Space Recording
Full Transcription
here we go got some people coming in the room brucey i'm just going to tweet it out
bro off my other account yeah so i'll send you the co-host brucey send your co-host son all right
oh look who's here yeah fins up out of bed as well grab that there co-host bruce while i share this
bro no music today i'm fucking way too ill for that like rubble's hung over the fucking death
like so uh didn't expect big things today fellas all right hey brucey hey man we won't we won't
you were out on the piss yesterday bro you why are you so quiet like as in really fucking quiet
there like yeah you can't hear me what hardly i don't know if it's just me or what like bro but
you are like incredibly quiet okay let me just try turning up or not let me try something be right
no worries i've just checked my volume i'm up 100 yeah how's this nah i wonder if it's me getting
rogued one minute
just getting the pre spaces buggies out the way
la la la la la la la la how do i sound beautiful wow guys what's going on i've got an insane volume
problem you're like i can hardly hear you guys shit we gotta get you an iphone i hate saying
that out loud but wait a minute i'm gonna take out them i'm gonna take this out one second
right bruce i've just took the mic
one two one two one two test check
robo sheldon sheldon is a bitch sheldon is a bitch test test sheldon is a bitch sheldon is a bitch
test test i'm sorry
it's a test you can say whatever you want guy
right it's just test man
bro there you go that was that was twitter how mad is that
like literally i logged out to twitter twice and then the volume went up
fucking bizarre that like
that's dumb yeah it does dumb shit to your drivers i had to drop twice to come back just to get my headset to kick in
man this i'm telling you ever since this exynos vulnerability where everybody's phone stopped working
everything's been
but hey that's spaces for you we're still here for the foot traffic
oh bro i'm fucking sick of it because i believe it's costing us our like listenership you know
people like don't want to come back until it's fixed you know
well hey you still know a network engineer so from a network and uh audio perspective because i did audio
engineering also you know we'll we'll get you set up i don't care if we have to go full apple nonsense
like if you're if you're running a uh you know spaces channel if you're running with things like rack fm
then i support it man i love rack fm i'll put money into it
but what about what about the sound setup tonight i mean this is pretty decent tonight this is all right
yeah yeah this is okay bruce what do you think
it's down yeah it's good it's okay like robo you're always like
we don't know man you you i don't know what's up with your sound but i think it's good today
when when when i met robo that was the characteristic is that his mic always clipped
all the time because he was just a delightful madman that was like part of your character
ro like i'm i'm not mad at it at all i mean i i hear you because now rack fm is uh glowing and
progressing and and everything but still i think this is this is significantly better than that this
is higher bitrate than that oh i'm so i'm fucking dying over here man a delightful madman
like i've never like those two words together i've never in my life
i'm a poet i know it i'll tell you what though sheldon i do have a bit of a confession to make
today oh he's been vans excellent i do have a bit of a confession though bro i am fucking so hung
over today it's absolutely ridiculous like yo holy fuck our time of the month must be syncing up or
something because i've been getting sick since last night and i don't know why i haven't been drinking
but to be fair i smoked one cretec the other day because i was stressed out it was a really full
day i was sleep deprived i had a bunch of stuff to do yeah i feel like garbage dude man yeah it's okay
what's a cretec what's this uh you might know jarum blacks it's a it's a tobacco cigarette with
clove in it you know this one correct yeah yeah the mass clove cigarettes are massive like in
many parts of indonesia but indonesia they're absolutely obsessed with them over there yeah
every everywhere smells like them and it's it's like honestly in the picture that's the cigarette
i'm smoking i know that it's a regular ass cigarette and my bad kid pfp but when i started
smoking as a youngin that's honestly what i was picking up was spiced tobacco cigarettes i liked them
so i was you know just making dumb decisions and said hey let's see what the quality is like here i
haven't had one of these in a decade you know let's see what it's like well that's what you get
when you treat your body like a fun house so yeah i think it'll be better i don't even think i could
smell one of those things right now i think if i even smell it i'll puke all over the place like
it's like burning carpet right i've got no idea how i got through today man at five i just literally
laid down and i've just got up at like 6 40 i literally just went right there i just got up
i did i did 3 a.m to uh 4 or 7 a.m twice this week i haven't done it this morning i got i got a
few more hours this morning but i was supposed to go to sleep after some meetings this morning and
there's stuff to do so man i feel you i'm hurting bali is infectious like that though bali i mean
we'll talk about bali in a minute but bali's like uh bali's got no chill you can be up around
three four five six seven at night and it's like normal fucking day pretty much yes oh my dinner
just arrived i'm awesome i got all right dude we're gonna do the intro you've got time sheldon
because we do like a little intro and stuff yeah yes we we definitely have time i will not slurp
on the call thank you so much guys thank you thank you you'll get your dinner you'll get your dinner
son go on right let's give me a chance to shut up let's say a quick good morning let's say a quick
good morning to b-bans and then we'll do the intro because i was hoping finn might have joined us
but he's maybe i don't know if he's gone back to bed or whether he's like ah fuck that i don't know
but we'll find out so good morning that was so funny yesterday on that that call that i was listening
to the white whale when you came on oh my god i would i i just i stayed listening to the rest of it
and i was just dying laughing oh my god you're hilarious
i don't even know what i'm doing on calls at like 3 a.m but that's like that's gotta stop like
people's gotta stop me i'm telling you you're like bro what do i gotta do to get a three second time
he's like what can i go make some tea or some shit oh my god
when i'm on it when i'm on about sitting in your boxer shorts fucking watching the raccoon pull the slot
like what you're doing with your life like it gives you too much time to think like what you're
doing oh god just take my devices away from me that's all i'm saying people all right bruce
bruce is responsible like i'll come bro i'll come i'll fucking fight you i'll fight you for the
devices i'll fight your dogs hey why do you think i keep trying to give him an iphone you know
i'm gonna give him an iphone and lock it down we'll make that a managed device
both sheldon sheldon the first thing he's gonna do when he gets that iphone how much fun would it
be to have like to give robo a managed device and just kind of like cut the wi-fi when he's not
behaving himself and shit oh come on no hey you you you still have to have access to the device so
there there are some limitations right but it's all application layer so you know the the idea that
he would get locked into spaces is more appealing to me than the idea that he would get locked out
because i could totally imagine this you know being put in his pocket it's like ah fuck this
and pick us up like an hour later i could totally play with you like that i could imagine that but
still no we like sovereignty here managed devices are not the culture of rack fm it's fun to think
about but no it's not the culture bro do you know what they did man i fell asleep on a space right
three weeks ago man and they all just left and left it on all night i woke up the next morning
i came into that yeah i saw that that was funny man i was like man it finally happened you clubhouse
style bro it was you and like two other people just napping bro talk about like proper being
showed up in public there's nothing worse than being like billy no friends like running your space
like for fucking six hours and nobody comes that's embarrassing i'm like never mind do it for the
culture right and i saw you napping i and i creeped out i said oh he's sleeping and i walked out
oh that's so bad and i was calling like i was calling like rama for it as well and i'm like
oh jesus afterwards just pure pure cringy regret you know right guys we've got a bit of a room
uh normally i'd put the music on until people came in but i've got a bit of a hangover today so
what we'll do is we'll jump into the intro because we need to keep finn's uh programming and he's
you know what he's like he wants consistency especially on the friday show so let's kick it off
everybody yeah good morning rack fm and it's all 800 est and what does the o stand for oh my god
robbo's hanging out his fucking arsehole today pray for robbo anyway it's uh friday 31st of march
2023 and this is your daily cosmos crypto us of a breakfast show with your host robbo mayor of
rackville and your favorite pundits and today on the panel we've been joined by the wonderful
b-band from the block and put the token in the dough mr arnie himself so b-bands how are you doing
are you okay darling yep doing great doing great getting ready for my day i'm gonna go to the gym in
a little bit get the blood flowing so that my brain juices work good but anyways good morning
did you see it did you see a day or date day oh getting ready for my day oh no no no i i went out
yesterday already i had a date with my husband yesterday but um we're going out to the gym
today a little midwinter date night day yeah it's nice it's like i don't know it's it's nice to like go
on a thursday and and there's not a lot of people out and stuff like that and come back early because
i'm old you know not have too much drinks and just i don't know just relax as you like together
longer and longer be bands does like the date nights become like more important than that yeah
i mean i don't know it's weird we will hang out all day together and then we'll even go to the gym
together and then like we still want to go on dates oh we we must really like each other yeah
that's precious as hell that's adorable well you're saying that to her but he might think
she's like a gps say anglet you know what to put on you when you're no no no no no listen listen no
no no no listen it's my mother-in-law listen my mother-in-law she has a a a 360 thing app and all
she has requested all of the family members to like log on to this app so she can like see where
everybody is like all the time and i was like even she knows where anybody in the family is except for
me and andrew because we were like we're not doing that we don't need a tracking device um we love you
we know that you get nervous and you're worried about our health and stuff like that but um you're
not going to be able to save me if you're tracking me and i'm in like fucking three states away so
um that's that but she's so sweet i love her so much i've never heard of that mind coming up with
like a tracking thing for the family i mean people might do it for their kids or something but not
when he's a grown man andrew's a grown man you know oh no my sister-in-law gladly does it she
loves it she's like oh she's like i wonder where mom is and and then she'll like pull up the phone
she's like oh she's she'll be here in like two minutes and then she'll be like i wonder where my
man is and then she'll like oh okay he's at that and i'm like you know what i'm gonna tell you that
it's really unhealthy and i'm like creeped out right now i'm so glad you don't know where i'm at
do you know do you know what i didn't like i didn't like when we moved in this house and
there the wife got all the cctv cameras put up everywhere and fucking she she's away she's away
and she's like you're sitting out in the garden drinking again are you and i'm like yeah so i
unplugged them right she went fucking mental she came back she lost her shit completely like i was
like oh bro how funny is that you leave the uk but you end up in the fucking cctv state anyway at home
how funny is that bro the ties every fucking tie wants to cctv remote access shit going on over
here man the mental they're really bad for it you know proper like paranoid to death about their
houses but i also think like they're just fucking nosy as well you know i think you're right man i
have a friend he does the same with his kids so he said he sits at a cafe and then he watches his kids
and he tells them over the microphone to do the homework he just enjoys the power too much
oh that's not good you know what's the new american dream right it's to have a place where you can hang
a ring doorbell it's not to own a house it's to be able to get an apartment or rent a house where you
can hang a ring doorbell and feel like an elite cyber lord because you know when the packages are
being delivered and stuff right like i hate how common this is in culture right now especially with
the the laws and stuff going down in the u.s the the ridiculous vpn law that was proposed
but it's funny right it's like we all going like we don't want to be more we don't want to be
surveilled we don't want to be watched over by big brother but then we all set up these fucking cctv
so we can watch over each other i don't know you need a disclaimer for that all go ahead sheldon you
just said something that i want to kind of circle back to you said that they're they're doing a vpn law
they're trying to pass a vpn law what was that yeah it's called the restrict act it's called the
restrict act yeah so can you tell me a little bit um i'm not gonna lie my brain's shorting out let
me pull it up and get it back to you in about a minute and 30 seconds there's a good breakdown
b bands on the misus caucus uh page on twitter the misus caucus m m i s i s misus oh sorry m i s u s i think it is
misus caucus they've got a m-o-u-k-u-y m-o-u-m-i-s-k-u-y what was that
stop taking the piss you m-o-u-s i believe it is they've just uh i retweeted it the other day they've
just released like uh some shit about it i mean it's an assault on freedom you know
yeah yep it's a problem i gotta go to the computer right now hold on but the the american government
they know something about freedom i think the the only government in the world that can exercise
stuff like that because they're the freedom experts so i think i think it's okay
you sound like the majority of americans i've talked to in the past 10 years are trying to
radicalize people into data privacy like i like you were saying i don't have a ring i don't have
anything that surveils me like that i turn off location services for everything yeah the restrict
act was was a right so we've got obviously we said we had
oh robo was getting rock man a healthy yeah well we're gonna give you a very healthy uh raccoon
welcoming so without further ado let's go over to the man of the moment he's uh he's making some
waves in the industry right now he is sheldon my friend welcome to rack fm sir your first like
official appearance here i'm i'm making waves but i was trying to come here and and and hitch my boat up
to the dock yeah it's uh it's funny i came to bali to do less to calm down to focus on my health
i'm happy that i'm here to focus on my health but boy there is so much more cool stuff to do
we're looking at launching an ias platform i'm looking at building a data center next week
like there's there's there's way more going down than there was beforehand and that includes web3 but
also locally here in bali and also outside of web3 in other technology spaces not just ai but also
radio communications and a whole bunch of other things like man the world has been on fire for the
past two weeks i put i picked a weird time to go on a uh attempted vacation and fail you know the one
thing i was going to ask you sheldon is it a case of like you know you've been to bali before you've
been asian bali's your favorite uh just out of curiosity why bali of all places now i do know
they've got a very good uh blockchain community in indonesia a lot of devs right very popular over
there yeah but why particularly like bali what stood out for you so truth be told the majority
of tech sector in indonesia is in jakarta where there are better fiber connections bali is not
terrible as far as you know relatively small islands go for fiber connections and internet
but bali is a better balance of um let's say uh non-commercial life and some sort of commercial
life that's what i was looking for is to come here and unplug for a bit my initial plan was only to
hang out in bali for two weeks maybe three you know see how i like it blah blah blah i really like
it um it's crazy but i really like it and the plan was for me to move on to jakarta and then to keep
visiting other people in in different places including you robo and i'm like that's still
the plan effectively but there are things for me to get done locally that are making me think
is it advantageous for me to get an apartment here i'm basically between getting an apartment here
and one in kuala lumpur i'm about to finish the scoping process here because i found that i can get a
uh basically prefab house semi-prefab house for 160k new construction so that's that's what i'm
looking at is that does it make sense for me to stay here because i wanted a place where i could
feel like i maybe wasn't on vacation all the time but wasn't right in the middle of downtown miami for
the sake of operations the same is going to be true out here and i was kidding myself to think i could
get away from this you do need to show up in person to be valuable in different engagements it is
quite annoying but it's true latency is lower irl so that's basically what i'm looking at is that
you know will it be worth it for me to you know get an apartment i think probably not it's more
likely that i'll rent a room or pay for some storage space in a friend's office or something
like that and then move on to jakarta spend some time there and and keep going i did actually find
out that there was a unfortunate sort of uh blending of different associations in jakarta there
was a blockchain association started by a friend of mine there that was i was really hoping to talk to
um i think i'll still get to interface with them but they've been basically merged with a
series of centralized exchange businesses so imagine you know developers that have cosmos grade
attitudes mixing into a group that is sort of going to uh redirect to the incentives and uh
motivations of centralized exchanges that's that's quite bad right so all the more reason why i want
to show up and see who i can talk to and see how much i can understand but the truth is i need to
reverse engineer how bali works a little bit before i make a move i'm here learning how visas
work how um internet regulation here works i'm reading through a contract that is a fiber relationship
between a certain office and an isp like i have work to do here in person physically realistically
i'm i'm so happy that i'm here first if i had gone to jakarta first i'm sure i would have gone
somewhere else by now you know i'm not the guy who wants to live in new york but anyway um enough
about the personal stuff from a crypto perspective there is a community here in bali it is a little
bit more on the trader side so that's not really keeping me here at the moment to be fair i also
haven't made it out to abud where there's supposed to be you know a little bit better uh groups in
that way i think that i'm gonna end up moving on to jakarta for business sake but it's nice here
man i like uluwatu i like a you know grassy beachy area tell me when you're going to jakarta and
i'll say like a prayer for your soul okay sure well i'm riding scooter out here so i can't be much
more vulnerable than that i think i'll be okay thank you bud i've never heard i've never heard
anybody say a nice word about jakarta never and and my friend like lived there for like two and a
half years and he says every time i thought i'm biggest shit all he's ever known you know
and when it's flow when it floods bro you know the floods yeah fucking hell sheldon it's so bad man
so bad the floods the traffic that can take days i mean it sounds like a lot of things that i'm
going to be very very uncomfortable with but at the same time everybody who i've talked to in bali
who has like sons friends daughters peers in it of some type they end up going to jakarta for work
it makes me think i'll find more crypto folk there that are you know developers that are
that's the only reason you're going there is just that there's far more people uh do you know it's
really weird that they're they're actually they've signed off on it joko their president signed off
on it they're actually uh relocating the entire jakarta capital of jakarta or certainly all of the
administration etc and they're actually going to move the capital over to uh borneo to the indonesian
part of borneo do you know about that no right basically they've got i think it's like this 10-year
plan right and they're going to move something like 1.5 million people all of the uh admin
buildings for the government that government itself parliament everything's going to be on borneo
there's a really good documentary about how long they've taken for the the planning because
jakarta's sinking at a terrible rate have you seen the houses collapsing and stuff there yeah
i've heard about that i i haven't dug into it too much but yeah i've heard that it's like
overcapacity there basically yeah correct so like what a lot of people don't know is about what
jakarta's like or what's weird about it is it's like a real kind of like natural uh floodplain right
it's like the city is like kind of like below the outside like uh water level right
the actual main part of the city like it dips doesn't it in like a floodplain and the entire
thing just like fills up yeah after that they've taken all the groundwater out i think it's like
the fastest sinking city in the world right now or something there is a lot of limestone here that is
uh one of the things that i noticed is that the this new project the gwk thing in bali that's like
this you know one of the largest statues in the world literally taller than the statue of liberty
similar uh construction style by the way um that project took almost 40 years to come to fruition
because they started planning it back when and at some point there was economic downturn and they
paused development it's a really scary thought to think that jakarta could have this plan in place
because the city is sinking because the island is physically over capacity and then turn around and
you know not have the funds for it for sustainability purposes like that's a that's a that sounds like a
real possibility to be based on what you're saying i need to do more research on this realistically
but yeah jakarta i was only going for business so if they're if they want to keep doing business
then hey uh decentralize your uh uh capital i guess you know like do you risk it more like not even
decentralized just there's been there's been i think like three or four examples in history where
they've actually like totally relocated like capitals like in that manner uh one of the one of the best
ones was actually in uh burma which is now mayanmar uh i forgot what the name of it is like uh shit
what's its name the capital uh basically it's the one where top gear were there where they were having
like the on the like seven alien motorways and there was nobody there and they were just like
racing around with their cars they they basically took the capital and just relocated it into right
into the center of the country and there was just like nothing there and they've literally built up
this capital city and it's huge and there's nobody there it's really fucking weird like
it's just empty the entire thing it's it's amazing if you see it all these government buildings and
that's like phenomenal but there's nobody there from essential planning perspective it's basically
the olympics right that actually sounds pretty good like not to cut you off but hear me out for a
second if your model is that you know every 10 to 30 years you're going to have to make a
significant adjustment because of resources then just plan for that and be ready to turn over your old
uh uh you know capital buildings into museums and housing and you know community organizations and
stuff like that that doesn't sound so terrible to me i mean it sounds like a weird resource allocation
to say hey we're going to build these massive structures that are supposed to be for the leaders
of our you know country and then move on to the next thing but also if you actually plan to do that
more than once in succession you're not talking about temp buildings you're talking about
temporary purposes right you would you would have to be making it make sense after the initial body
uh you know who governs or who eats or who sleeps leaves it's it sounds really interesting to me
it sounds like the kind of thing that i could never see in the states but it could actually work
here well before i pass you over to baby bands or brucey that there is a question i did want to ask
i think you've been away what like a couple of weeks now right about two three weeks yeah i think
this is the third now yeah i think this is three what are you missing the most from back home
anything or nothing like is it like a 3 a.m wendy's or what is it
i'm gonna sound like such a dork i miss my access to high grade and different varieties around the
world of electronics it's not nearly as good on the island of bali on jakarta it's supposed to be
better but still um there was a pair of sennheiser headphones that i was like oh these are at every
duty free shop i'll be able to get these later nope i'm still using my jobber 85hs from a few
years ago and i'm not liking them that much anymore they're not bad but they're kind of tired
so i wanted to get a very specific set of new headphones i'm quite picky about that
not really an option here i i've i've gone to multiple malls and electronics retailers and
specialists and some of them have similar products a lot of people on the street of course have fake
versions but i'm not mad at the fakes that's like a regular economic thing everywhere you go with
street vendors i'm frustrated that it's going to be really hard for me to get enterprise gear here
because like i said i'm serious about building an infrastructure as a service platform that takes
real physical gear and it's probably going to be a little bit of a pain to get it in here like i know
how to do that internationally but that's the thing i miss my um uh shop ability for electronics
and network appliances and computers and stuff third world problems right yeah
we're right here next to where those devices are all produced i thought it would be easier
yeah come to bangkok you'll not have that problem you can get what you want son you see
see you picked the wrong place didn't you yeah never mind come around b-bands brucey got anything
on the uh journey to bali story or questions or what yeah i want to hear how it's going with
with the scooter journey if he's fitting in or if he's still a fucking madman on the roads
oh boy um let's see um i guess i have had a um what would you call it uh a small oopsie a
non-consequential oopsie a a short stop that resulted in some plastic touching but no metal
parts no sparks no nobody hurt nothing causing wrong the main thing is just ankles i keep whacking
my ankles on the uh on the stands the little pegs that like the second rider is supposed to use and
the foot stand and all this stuff like i'm i'm not used to scooters so when i go to like you know
do the waddle like you do in slow traffic between that and getting back on i'm always knocking my
ankles so my my left ankle especially is really bruised up it's fine you know i haven't cut myself or
anything but even if i had i i carry an antiseptic spray with me and then you know i'd keep moving
the uh the scooter adventure that's probably how i would describe it to be concise i could give a
long ramble about some stuff but uh going up and down hills is a little bit scary because i come
from florida man flat boy land so um yeah the the up and down hills has been a little bit scary
um getting used to the difference in traffic circles because traffic circles aren't just flowing
uh from the left instead of you know right like you know you drive on the right hand side of the u.s
you drive on the left hand side in indonesia it's not just that it's the culture of don't stop
but don't wait too long and make sure you weasel in behind somebody else who's kind of speeding past
you as they cut through the intersection sometimes it's been me like honestly traffic circles i think
are the part that still scares me the most but there is still two traffic circles that i enter and exit
on a regular basis and i haven't hit or hurt anybody yet except me so i call that a win oh that's
perfect man also like i've i've given you a nickname i don't know if you know it but
i think scooter would be a really really appropriate nickname for you
to see sheldon going around in the big circle because he doesn't know which exit he has to take
exactly there goes
fucking kiwi herman or something i'd like you talking about scooter off the muppets you know
scooter off the muppets the science no no i'm a beaker guy beaker's my muppet
like i'm i'm stuck on that one for for whatever reason oh he's the one that's always getting like
blown up and and experimented on and shit right well i mean he's the mad scientist so he's doing a lot
of the experimenting but also he's quite frequently the victim of that other scientist yeah and he just
what's the other guy's name he looks like a little looks like a mole i don't know what
i don't know about the smaller one but the the orange tubelet with uh uh you know fuzzy orange
hair sticking up way high that's that's that's my guy that that guy describes the constant state of
existential panic that my life actually uh falls around but yeah from from a scooty perspective um
i've had some weird nicknames in the past i was called turtle for a short period because somebody had
named their turtle sheldon and thought it was hilarious i was like okay sure uh we were stuck on a boat
like literally you know what am i gonna say so the um and i was a kid i didn't really know how to
change that conversation or pivot that i i'll tolerate scooter i'm not wearing that uh that
that name i'm not i'm not gonna own that i won't take agency into that but i'm not rejecting it either
because i have made a whole big deal about it and um yeah people from from uh from endo are absolutely
noticing that i'm the dumb american on the scooter and i wear a really like loud outfit to make sure
people notice i'm wearing these like blue blocker go over the glasses sunglasses i'm i'm i stick out
on purpose right that's my technique is do you have a peacock a little bit do you have a helmet
do you have a helmet um calling me out here okay i have a helmet it's been sitting in my hotel the
whole time because the first day that i wore it no i mean everyone tells me it's against the law not
to wear it you if you come to endo and you're a tourist please wear your helmet you know the gojek guy
will give you a helmet to wear but the helmet infringes on my peripheral vision and being
someone with crap eyesight needing to communicate in a you know lawless anarchical road model i need
my peripheral vision more than i know my head no what no wait don't they have the kind that just
goes on your head like a bicycle helmet like you know not the one that's like cold
no but i definitely need some some uh spinal protection if i'm going to be falling off of the
thing at 30 kilometers an hour i'm there's a type of helmet that doesn't infringe on my periphery
i'm looking to buy one i'm getting there i'm supposed to be doing that this weekend thank you for the
thank you for the reminder mom yeah we need to keep that lovely brain of yours intact so that
we it can be used and it can save the world okay i'm gonna start a campaign keep scooter safe
keep scooter safe and uh terrible
aha very very funny can the professional before robo robo before we go
wait a minute so sorry i just i would just like to remind sheldon what happened with eric
the neck weissenden if you go google eric the neck weissenden you will only see our interview with
them so sheldon just be prepared
what kind of threat is that it's not a threat it's it's a fact bro it's like it's gonna happen
be ready okay well i guess i'll put a shirt on and maybe pack a lunch thank you
good morning oh hi robo sorry yo
oh you just want to say hi soy or hi robo there
anyway a lot of both let's do i did a little bit of both but i think robo's rugging right now
because i can't hear him at all so soy take the mic good morning thank you bands i'm just uh enjoying
your uh what you're breaking the rules of the friday show for what you're playing at i left the
room for two seconds and you break the rules that we've had in place for three months what's going
on baby bands it's not seven i want to be my friend it's not seventh of april is it next week
what you're bringing this bell in for
sorry i'm not trying to get in trouble hey what you're gonna have to kick me out or what
oh that would be awkward wouldn't it i won't get that'd be fucking awkward that's on b
bands this fucking shoulders now it's fucking carnage this course hasn't she
you stay you stay what kind of one is that
no stay bro it's cool and i want to tell sheldon sheldon listen i agree with you the peripheral
vision is a real thing and b bands you don't wear those open face helmets that's how you break your
jaw right open face helmets are an absolute no-no you've got to be a chad you've got to buy something
like a shark helmet they're like probably like one of the best you can get right
uh forgot the other brand uh shark and something else i'll get the other brand name in a minute
sheldon you think that you've lost your peripheral vision and you haven't you just need to get your
head working more get that fucking blind spot checked like 80 times a minute right but trust me
when i first had a full face helmet on dude it was weird as fuck right like driving around the street
streets not like in the fields there like when i was a kid you know bro you get used to it in like
half an hour seriously it's really easy to like get used to a full face helmet
all day the first day i wore it because i was terrified that i was going to fall and that i knew
i needed to protect my noggin and then i spent most of the day being annoying to other people who had
to avoid me because i would move a little bit and not have a good time seeing the mirror that was
right in front of me but also not seeing the side because when i'm looking at my mirrors and i'm
actually just sitting and driving normally i'm i'm really using part of my periphery it's not quite
that far over my face is bigger than that but yeah i think i'm i'm looking for the um sort of like
wide face still protects you helmet i did not know to look for the brand shark i will definitely look
for that i appreciate the tip robo i'm i'm not trying to i'm not trying to die but i am very careful
people people seem really like that's the main part of the anarchy it's great anarchy
oh say again bud give me a second he's not feeling so well i might have a little extra
okay well just to just to give you a quick story one of the things that was really really interesting
to me from a you know systematic structure perspective there was one time where i was
in traffic i was pulling away from this office where i'm working i do like anyone who's listening
i do not legally work in bali right now all my employment comes from funding outside the country
i just happen to be considering partnering with an entity who's here in bali this is recorded
spaces so there you go i'm pulling away from this office i've been spending some time and all of a
sudden i notice where normally i have like a wide open throttle to just go across them like straight
away it's really clogged and other people are also surprised that it's really clogged and up ahead i
see some people just kind of standing and i'm like oh what the hell what is this what does this look
like what you know is there a street vendor stopped here what's happening one person
a middle-aged gentleman who didn't look that old maybe 50s probably mid to late 40s had taken a fall
and it looks like he had uh sort of like worn through his jeans on the scrape so his his knee
is bleeding a little bit and you know he he had pants there before clearly there's just an you know
a sort of like torn ripped up spot now the knee that you can see even though i only saw it for a few
seconds was you know dirty and you know scraped up he obviously took a fall and went down on that
body part and the rest of him wasn't in such great shape either now the fact that his shirt was a
little bit tore up makes me think that he was going a decent speed or that he hooked into somebody else
but the thing that really got me from a systematic perspective was everybody slowed down like we always
do because it is truly anarchy and that you are communicating with everybody who is near you
through body language through eye contact through staying in your lane in a certain position through
you know trying to look like you're going to jump up on the sidewalk from glancing in your mirror etc
from all of that stuff there is still a bunch of these delivery drivers gojek and grab
seemingly unassociated with situation all you know all different companies just different guys
that are like blocking the road to make sure there's a comfortable amount of space for this old man
who's just sitting on the sidewalk they literally interrupted traffic segmenting off two or three
feet maybe about a meter of the road so that there was less room for the bikes to scoop by the normal
traffic of cars and in doing that it caused this clump up but it was it was really incredible to me that
as soon as people realized that they were you know sort of like blocking the road to protect this guy who
was clearly on the phone with a ambulance service or some other doctor that's going to help or something
like that you know people didn't just not get annoyed they they feel like the the vibe was feel
bad a little bit slow down but don't fuck with traffic just keep going go nice and slow in case
somebody's standing or walking just take it easy don't be a tourist like everybody is in miami and
slow down to take pictures of the accident because people do that if you want to see what that looks
like go on instagram and search only in dade that's really how that looks but it was interesting to me
because that's where i come from is that environment of only in date of the 305 of miami
and to see the polar opposite where people had no capital motivation to help this guy and probably
lost money from not delivering orders during rush hour when there's a like sort of pay bump but the
delivery guys were protecting this just random middle-aged guy and everyone was totally sympathetic
with it and that was the only thing close to an accident that i actually saw it's it's weird how
well it works like it is it's it's very um it's not mesh networky but it's very like uh broadcast
networky like you're you're broadcasting to the people around you that you are going to try to
pass on the right side or that you are going to try to pass on the left side or that you're a slow
tourist and you're scared you're just going to ride behind this truck because you're too nervous to
pass and it's not really safe like it is a really interesting dynamic i'll leave it there that's
you know i'm rambling it's the end of the story but like it's it's really interesting how well it
works for how chaotic it is it's cultural robo you still with us what you didn't cover belong while
we let you go did you be back brother oh bro i've just been getting so badly rugged twitter's going
mental tonight so i'm hanging on in so we don't lose the space but uh yeah i was uh just having a
a little cheeky spliff like and it's fucking so strong can you uh can you throw me co-host as
well because i'm actually in your region i don't think it'll necessarily make a difference but from
a redundancy perspective i say worst case scenario i'm about uh 60 milliseconds of latency closer to
you if i'm not mistaken just making a guess like you know there you go i like it like bands here in
the us bruce is in like uh actually bruce where are you i forget oh okay i'm in denmark
so yeah i can just jump down there's only allowed two co-host spots so i'll just are you sure i thought
that you can have more than two co-host spots yeah i did send them on mine bruce i did send them on and
it didn't say like you can't but i don't know okay i didn't say anything to me twitter spaces
yeah i don't see any pop-up or anything anyway sheldon can i just check something though dude
uh have you have you left the uh octopus team now or not or are you still there i have not left
octopus network i'm happy to explain what happened because my role did change significantly
um i actually proposed to leave um so last year uh close to the end of the year i knew we were having
some uh problems that were internal and that we were working on um some that we knew were not going
to be insurmountable so we were starting to look at downsizing and different things like that
so i was looking at getting a second job in near ecosystem or somewhere else um to pay the bills and
to make things make sense and and to to still keep advocating for the concepts that i signed up for
and um what happened was well i was what had happened was i was still looking for um part-time
work augment work on the side when i had effectively taken too long it was mid-december and um instead of
uh doing some weird a new year's firing scandal which i'm very grateful lewis and the team decided not
to do um what lewis and leadership decided is that they would offer severance to the front end of the team
uh based on tenure and i was one of the highest tenured so um i insisted that it wouldn't be
ethical for me to accept severance and also to remain an employee because that kind of defeats
the purpose of severance but i knew that if i remained an employee my pay would go down by 25
percent and with my debts the way that they were and my costs the way that they were that that wasn't
a great fit for me in miami miami is a very expensive place at the time i wasn't really factoring in
something like moving to bali but that was roughly the the target was okay it doesn't necessarily make
sense for me to have this as an almost full-time job and then try to transition into side gigs i
should just let this be my um sort of main side gig while i start working on decentralizing my revenue
and i know that sounds like an absolute ham but that's the most concise way i can describe it
and it has worked out tremendously well so effectively i reduced my pay by 75 percent in
an agreement with lewis which i'm very grateful that he honored in a timely manner so that i can
keep my bills running and everything would stay smooth and i um i'm now semi-external to the
organization which means that i still have access to everything internal that i had access to do
uh access to before uh including some admin permissions because they trust me not to
abuse or misuse those but as technical advisor it is not my role to do the community moderation to do
the marketing engagement to do the same things that i did before as technical advisor i am still
the only representative for octopus network in the west besides aaron who occasionally goes to europe
though he does spend most of his time in dubai where he lives so to that end my point was if i'm
going to leave octopus network uh completely i knew that it was going to be quite damaging and i had
hope that there was a solution to make that make sense lewis i think came to the conclusion that it
was more worthwhile to keep someone who understands the solution who understands what we do who's yes
able to talk about octopus in a promotional fashion but also able to communicate with people
about it from a technical perspective because realistically uh media lead vivi lynn has moved to
new york i'm very happy for her really excellent move i'm sure that she's going to do just fine on
the media side but that means that there would be no one in the west on the technical side
which is amusing as hell now that i have moved out of the continental u.s but exactly what exactly
does that involve being a like technical advisor is this like a like a consultancy basis or what and
what exactly do you advise on when you're advising so um i do still um do some sort of like community
stuff like when there were some challenging and odd questions to the octopus network twitter account
earlier i literally educated our uh social media lead on what certain things are like merkle mountain
range and stuff like that so um i am still acting as a very very internal member but i am external to
all executive functions and i don't supervise conversations anymore you know there used to be
multiple chats that i would see details about what we were doing that were not directly relevant to me
but their indirect relevance was really useful for operations so being a um person who is sort of
like at leadership level operating at leadership level i had a lot of stuff that needed to get done
um i did not have a lot of executive power and i thought that was perfectly fine given my you know
sort of uh commitment and um agreements and disagreements with the project so the technical
advisor role means that i am not taking actions directly on octopus's behalf but i am basically
fulfilling that need to have a you know spokesperson in the midwest who has technical understanding of
what's going on that's the the most round way i could say it you know
right well i did have a question for you actually sheldon you said something there that i was going
to like leave this question on the light later right because we're not we're not really doing an
interview kind of thing you've come on
i do have a question though for for sheldon after you're done rubble he's rugging a little bit again
poor guy oh that's his body rug that's not the yeah exactly yeah he's like oh yeah so listen um
i had a question so you know how they have saz software as a service this new thing has come out
uh roll-ups as a service like what do you think about that do you think it's gonna be like the next
you know aws like you know the like the way aws is to go ahead no i mean you can you can pre-frame
it in whatever way you want i gave a very knee-jerk reaction on purpose i already take a lot of issue
with roll-ups in general why um it's a trust abstraction it's a i believe that this cryptographic
process is good enough such that the issuer is you know trustworthy and that i can verify this
information later i mean in my opinion if you have things like a hybrid data availability roll-up
product like you're doing roll-ups but also the information that's the result of the roll-ups
has an economic incentive for existing network operators to keep it live at the same place where
roll-ups are being done that's not crazy but also it's not that easy to sustain that's basically what
mina protocol has been trying to work on and fail for a few while now i mean i'm a big fan
anybody who's in mina who's listening big fan but maintaining the uh sort of like mega validators
and the mini validators is hard when you're trying to actually get high volumes of users to do stuff
um even though the the pace of mina is why it's so great if anybody doesn't know mina protocol very
interesting stuff it's just a 22 kilobyte hash that rotates every what six seconds i think it is
it's very interesting stuff they're they're building some some really weird things over there but like
anyway i'm on a sidetrack sorry i'm fried too did i mention that i'm really sleep deprived i got way
too much yes that's why no no that's awesome i i like sleep deprived answers because they're like
kind of the more the more honest ones because you're i know you watch hot ones you're like fuck it
whatever you know and then you just kind of say because you're just like at that point so you don't
think roll-ups as a service is is even where it should be or well hold on this is this is really
important if it is do you watch hot ones no i don't even know when you said hot ones i thought
you meant like hot takes and shit i like hot cakes you know okay anybody who's an earshot listen this
will be really short hot ones is a show on youtube that has been successful for about nine years it is
literally just celebrities eating really hot wings in a succession from the least hot the most hot 10
wings oh yes i have i i have read i have people people do not interview on that show the
way they interview on other shows because they're capsaicin inebriated so that's exactly what you're
referring to now coming back to your question about roll-ups as a service roll-ups are already
an abstraction listen capsaicin is also a really great for pain relief but anyways go ahead and
swelling and lots of things but i tell you there's so much spicy food here it's not helping my headache
right now because i had plenty today so basically roll-ups are already a way to um condense information
effectively zero knowledge is really the problem i'm picking on is sort of like combined
implementation of zero knowledge roll-up-y things because they're they're very similar
they're just they have some slight differences abstractions of other data means that you are
using a receipt service imagine buying something at the store and the receipt that gets printed out
for the um sort of clerk to like you know push down on that little metal pike that they're supposed
to save all the receipts on that has one piece of information but then the receipt that you're handed
has another piece of information so only inside the system that actually produced these two pieces
of information is their recording of what it is like i know that i'm blending zk and roll-ups here a
little bit but just hear me out this is not necessarily a dag on a drag on zero knowledge
i'm frustrated because of the lack of understanding that is trusting a roll-up provider or a zero knowledge
service provider because supposedly they publish their proofs after the fact and you just validate against
them and that's good but you're also asking for fast finality in these kinds of things and that's
the reason why people are coming to them so that means you're abstracting large amounts of data into
small amounts of data at a relatively high speed and you're sacrificing some trust in order to gain that
performance i don't like the sacrificing trust part i feel like you can play solana level trilemma
adjustments all day long you know you can wildly overpower some part of a system and then just
give up on something like performance and all of a sudden it'll be great but the most secure clumsy
slow blockchain is not helping anybody it doesn't matter it's the most secure we need balance so i
think that this idea that roll-ups are balanced is greedy and ridiculous at the same time i understand
why some people are looking at blockchains and saying okay these things don't scale well over let's
say more than a few million people maybe we need to have some abstraction service that we can't
actually have a seven billion person society working with this stuff number one i say there should
not be one blockchain for any singular purpose i think that's already kind of a misunderstanding of
what this industry was supposed to do number two if you are going to use trust abstractions to make
a hybridization of the old way in the new way that's not crazy but if you do it such that you only
inherit the problems of the old way you have not actually evolved you've just made a flashy
a bit of propaganda or sort of a song and dance distraction effectively easiest example base the idea
that coinbase would do their own optimistic roll-up product is that you're going to trust coinbase to
give you an ethereum-like experience away from the big scary world of ethereum i am frustrated by this
because some entities small large young whatever find value in what coinbase is doing in this regard
and by the way i really appreciate the heck out of coinbase for going to task with the
um united states government and i think that this is a moderately useful tool in doing that i still
absolutely abhor it it's ridiculous but people will come to it and not realize that all they're
doing is trusting coinbase they're living in the coinbase sandbox and it means that they're going to
not have access to the rest of the world unless they go through coinbase it's not that different
from what's happening at ethereum abstraction with the 4337 and a bunch of other things that people
are doing but 4337 is the easiest development of that conversation the next step if you look at that
new eip that was launched during ethereum denver which i had not heard of and was kind of surprised
that i hadn't heard of it beforehand but i also had been paying attention to ecosystem for a little bit
i was busy um if you read that eip it explains right there in honest language that there are
independent mempools that preclude the public mempool where transactions can be seen that means that when
you have subsets of the ethereum validator set listening for transactions for a specific purpose
or reason whether they give you a fraudulent account or they happen to be connected with your
provider or whatever the heck frankenstein it is it for whatever reason that and that series of
entities can have a very very easy to pass around blacklist that has your address on it that says
that if you make it to the mempool if you submit a transaction through the rpc interface through the
network and then make it to the mempool where validators are recognizing you they won't process
your transaction i genuinely believe that's the future of ethereum okay so but why wouldn't they
process your transaction because what it's not allowed from where you're coming from i mean what
what if i'm osama bin laden oh so if you see what i'm saying i mean that guy you can play that however
you want i'm not a terrorist i'm not osama bin laden christ i'm not christ either but like you see what
i'm saying it's not just a liability thing it's a control thing it's a granularity thing the same way
that banking services work the same way that chain analysis has been trying to make an entire business
model out of it for the public version of ethereum it's so much easier when it's private
nobody knows yeah do you think coinbase is going to be a coinbase essentially is the government like
i mean at this rate i hope they become it i i i still don't like this i still have my my reasons
why coinbase annoys the heck out of me and i still use it i i decry it regularly it is the biggest
crypto type institution in the united states there are some you know that retail interfaces with excuse
me like and and maybe maybe for uh for cloud also maybe for for enterprise also because they do
actually have oct listed for custody outside of the united states uh octopus network token so they're
they do a lot like that that's a big deal octopus network is not the project that everybody knows for
them to have listed it was was really cool we're happy for that but like the the idea of you know
coinbase becoming the government is is nutty but at the same time if the government just became a
series of trust abstractions and blockchains where you vote you can't see my hands but i'm doing air
quotes right now blockchains where you vote that's a that's exactly what i would expect the future to be
i would that's exactly the dystopia that i think that america has earned by not giving a shit about
privacy by not standing up for rights by not paying attention to the detail when things are important
by not um you know hesitating on globalism and hyperconvergence and and black boxes like
in in equitable societies the things that america has used for accelerationism are are perfectly fine
in indonesia here i'm amazed at how many people just recognize that i'm bringing money into the
country i'm polite i'm just trying to get by i speak the language whenever they need me to i pull out
the little translator and rehearse it to myself for a second and say what i need to say to them
like it is very different in a society that has some cultural alliance to the degree that they
can stand up for their rights and best interests effectively this is not the united states that
we're talking about here you know like what happened recently legally in uh indonesia funny enough
almost right after i got here uh they put up a law banning certain russians and saying that uh foreigners
shouldn't be allowed to rent a scooter and some stuff like that and i thought that was really
interesting and i went on instagram and said yeah i wouldn't trust me to ride a scooter here either
i've never driven on the left side of the road i've never ridden a scooter before why would you rent
me a scooter for 20 bucks well here i am riding a scooter because there's not much else way to get
around but i'm doing the best i can to be careful it literally became a problem to the general public
so the general public bubbled up to governance and governance did something not special interest
not some crazy super thing i'm sure there's special interest i'm sure there's corruption in indonesia
but when you had like an obvious greater good moment like for safety on the road people genuinely
considered it especially for the island of bali because some of this we're talking about is under the
governor of bali not under indonesia in specific you know because bali is a little bit more of a party
place than jakarta right there's beaches and tourism and lots of australians here so yeah it's just i think
that america didn't care about this stuff coming and therefore has allowed it to just fall right into
our laps where there's not really a chance to interrupt it short of major unrest which is not
happening and by the way if anybody called that um tennessee protest unrest you should tell them that
they need to read more because if you read the details on that thing that david hogg posted which
david hogg is just a kid who needs to be in the media and like i'm sure he had some good ideas and
he seemed like a decent kid when i first saw him but like he's just trying to drag in the messaging
that he needs to drag in if you saw that video of a bunch of people like going back and forth with
some sheriffs in a doorway you know shouting and kind of pulling around and somebody with a really
bouncy curly afro putting their hands up trying to be a compliant ish you know trying to be like it's cool
ban like many people reposted that like is this insurrection this this is this is the new january
6 or whatever like january 6 is already cia crafted bullshit that's fact so i'm i'm frustrated that
it's not just that americans got lazy and kind of jumped into um you know all this stuff and and you
know somehow they were misled and made a mistake it's that they proactively said i want convenience i want
my amazon i want my mcdonald's delivered to me i don't care if the delivery driver is hungry and
not able to sleep in the house i just want mine and i want it now and i want it sexy that's what
americans have been doing for the past like 15 years if you ask me this is what they're cultivating
is a society that doesn't mind when they're being given the next generations of technology and told that
it's going to be the best thing ever for them and it is effectively their prison i say this as someone
who i'm sure is never get heard by my dad but i feel like i lost my dad to msnbc so like you know
context right many of many of us did i think many of us maybe lost a parent or two to msm dude
unfortunately they just weren't wise enough to see it you know what we saw never mind i mean our morals
didn't move but anyway what were you gonna say benz
so i went and i read the the eip 4337 um i mean i had heard about it but i didn't actually go and read
it um or look at it but it's very interesting it's a i read the summarizer and it has like an account
abstraction it's users can easily turn their non-consultible wallets into a full stack
decentralized banks and protect new users from losing access due to seed phrase issues but i
like the way they're packaging it but what an interesting it's very smart but like unpack that
right what is a decentralized bank i thought that's what the blockchain was to us well it's a subset of
the ethereum validator set that can be the police that can control how those transactions work that can
block somebody from making an account from a certain ip address that can you know poison an account as soon
as it's made so it makes a lot of sense it's abstracting the information but you can't like
you can't like modify it but it's still getting the information that's so interesting it's it's it's like
using a mini subset of ethereum validators as a proxy to the rest of the set where the proxy has the
ability to see and affect those transactions it's i mean i understand how it's going to be great for
compliance i've been a compliance officer i see how this works very very cleanly having a united
states implementation of ethereum that is the safe and approved and then okay are you sure you want
to go beyond the legal boundary the fbi might be notified click you know i can i can appreciate how
well that works for a lot of different people a lot of different people but it don't work for me
so yep gotta average out the people who are too dumb to advocate for their own best interests
um no no disrespect to you stupid people i'm just trying to help you out so yeah i'm trying to
counterbalance the average of not giving a shit and stupid on uh data privacy whether it's at the
mempool level or at the dns level or anything yeah i'm i'm i'm fed up i am exhausted but yeah i'm not
trying to ramble too much y'all know i can ramble so you know don't uh i love it too much oh give
over man give over dude i'm hanging out me fucking arsehole you've got no idea like dude i'm just
clinging to any form of fluids guy oh get some blue bro i've just been drinking strawberry milk i'm
drinking grape juice right now right bro you've been on this space talking about how sprite is
scientifically proven as the best hangover cure a two leak the bottle i had a two leak the bottle of
sprite at lunchtime and it did nothing didn't even touch the sides you need you need electrolyte
you need minerals and stuff yeah there's like corn syrup and shit and sprite like what the come on
no hey i'll take the corn syrup i'll take the coloring and all the bad stuff but but also give
the man some minerals so he can replace the ones he lost and he's drinking you think i don't ever
take care of myself i'm just too old for it and i went on the piss like three o'clock like and then
wow what you're talking about robo we know you can't take care of yourself man we've been in this
space for the past year with you we've seen your toe almost fall off we fucking saw you fall down
the stairs man we've been looking for you for two weeks because you just disappeared what the fuck
you're talking about man you could have died from the dengue so come on man oh i feel like i feel
like fucking worse than that today i tell you oh it's killed me i had when i had to stop uh puking
like i wanted to puke but i wanted to stop myself right i did stop myself but you know when you have
to go through that like and it's nearly going to come out your nose you know it's that close like
oh and i was on a call and all today anyway you know what i've always wanted to ask uh your man
and i've never had the opportunity i've always wanted to ask him right if he ever sees any of
any of himself in the uh tv character sheldon either the the older one either the older one
or the younger one i've always wanted to ask you this question bro see any similarities between you
and him honestly uh because i i became familiar with the character through this kind of engagement
about it yeah there's a couple moments here and there both the older and the younger i'm like
yeah i could see me doing that fuck but also it's me doing that and being like way less dorky about it
i did not ever wear a fucking bow tie well no actually damn it there's pictures of me wearing
a bow tie on the internet shit no i i don't like wearing bow ties it was something that was put on me
okay but like i was not that dorky i was that smart i was trying to make money full time at age six
in the entire world have stated that i was not that dorky like every dog in the world
but sorry for cutting you off no just call me a raccoon you don't have to call me a dog just call
me a raccoon i identify as a raccoon on occasion i i appreciate the the trash panda vibes i i'm i'm
not here to feel kingly i do not sit and look kingly um sometimes i can speak and write kingly
and present kingly but genuinely i am very proud to be a raccoon because i feel bad kid like i don't
pick up on any pfp project i'm not just doing it because y'all are fun and blah blah blah like these
happen to actually work with me if you if you if you've lived with me if you spent like a period of
time with me there are some people in crypto who've like lived in my apartment for a week and stuff
like i i i am not a um kingly individual i'm just an ant in the ant farm who wants to see the ant farm
get better i'm tired of the ant farm being stupid and nonsensical and run by non-biological synthetic
you know robot idiot ants hyper-powered at the top of the the chain for no reason keeping the queen
captive kind of thing like that that's a metaphor wow wow that's intense listen real quick real quick
bravo real quick real quick wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute okay check it out i got a
question from wrecked cities secret lovers said what do you think of secret in regard to privacy
oh fuck here we go oh should i have oh did i make a boo-boo no no but no it's gotta make it in me
he's always gotta make it about him man he's always gotta make it about secret you know every
fucking sure let's say good listen it's okay i like the question i'm curious so we've got a
domain here here's what we're gonna do we're gonna go to sgx.fail okay did i just rug i i went back and
forth out of my app am i here oh we got you we got you no you're here okay sgx.what sgx.fail this
this is not an open book test this is a um really weird spaces with robo and i both like physically in
but also happy to be on sgx.fail i i just put it in the um comments under you you can pin it if you
want i don't know what the culture is of comments versus pinning very well except trying to show
people stuff but this is the way that i would describe secret network secret network is good
enough privacy for the majority of people out there that is obscured away enough from a significant
volume of highly malicious information extraction and imprisonment over time what do i mean by that
monero is cool monero is useful monero is increasing the keys on the key ring yeah sure
but more importantly the nsa and other three-letter agencies participate in monero and cypher trace has a
patent which they have used i think three times that they published that if you have the device that
you made a transaction with captured even if you wipe it they can do what's called a ram dump you
can look up a software called volatility for that they can do a ram dump and see the history of stuff
that had happened on that device and prove that you are the person who made that transaction on the
monero network so that means if you compromise your physical security your privacy is already
compromised why did it come down to that why did that company get motivated to do that is because
is it because monero is so great in privacy blah blah blah no it's because monero became more
popular than bitcoin for ransomware attacks when people were going to hack a corporate network
and demand volumes of money while bitcoin has higher liquidity monero is much much better obfuscation
there are you know public blacklists of bitcoin addresses of bitcoin that's associated with hacks and stuff
like that right so it is not the same thing to say that you know monero is bad because it's not
monero was peak privacy for some time it's not anymore in my opinion and also it's a supervised
environment people still feel like they're getting their privacy there a lot of the lead devs have
left some people have come back after all because they're feeling hopeful to the project but like
bottom line monero is a much more different environment to think about privacy and because
there's more time there's more complexity involved if you're looking at sgx mostly what you're
considering from a risk perspective and you know what could go wrong why do i want to trust this
how secure is this etc i'm looking at sgx.fail is the easiest layman way that i can explain
that there is an inherent problem with trusted execution hardware i.e sgx on intel and rsta i'm
forgetting what the acronym is on the amd side don't quote me on that if you look up trusted execution
amd uh processor i'm sure you'll find it but the bottom line is both of those uh hardware have
problems because trusted execution is based on hardware implementations that are still really
really young and that is what secret network is based on is the ability to secure a workload on a
computer from the local person who's running that computer so the idea that you would be able to make
networks so secret that the operator couldn't be poisoned or couldn't be sort of turned into a cheat
it's a wonderful wonderful concept i love it very much i like those guys i've seen them at multiple
shows i'm super happy to interface with those guys uh they i really thought what they were doing with
stable coins was going to be bigger because i thought they had more of their ducks in a row on that
they told me some cool stuff i think some things might have fell through but like bottom line because
secret network is run on this system of sgx problems it is not hyper secure to its operators
it is in general relatively secure and it is i would say generally not as secure as monero but
it's also much less crowded and there's much less volume which means there's lower motivation for
you know analytics players nsa other entities to spend a lot of time there do i know if they do or
don't know i don't really know and at this point they wouldn't need to uh ever be detected for that
sort of thing they just privately buy service from some third party that's consuming the chain data
but the um net sort of like thought that i have about secret is that if you are a regular person
and you are moving less than ten thousand dollars of money around to do stuff and you are very privacy
first i think secret is a great choice now personally what i would actually put for my top privacy protocol
is mimblewimble on litecoin so that's that's my preference personally i think that is peak at the
moment and actually will be for a while even though people don't understand it yet and uh and and it
has its flaws of course i'm not trying to be an ultra fanboy but um i think that is a significantly
better way of going about things where monero is going to still be this cat and mouse game of is it
worth it do you know your adversary are you hiding from the government or your mother you know like it's
it's it's different types of privacy platforms effectively they have different pros and cons
but if you're just trying to look for you know one of the most user-friendly privacy coins secret is
is a great choice i mean i have my rack it's my own i think it might be my only secret nft well no
i think i bought another one for kicks had some extra points and spent them i think stash but um
yeah i i think that secret is a excellent platform and the way that they have taken permissioning to
their advantage but also not overdoing it is very wise like a lot of the different choices that are
more granular we're smartly made over there and that being more useful to the average person
combined with you know a reasonable level of security not attracting attention with a super
high volume of money you know it's great to that degree i think that stable coins showing up on the
platform will change things let me get to the point of actually like actionable useful information
here instead of just waffling around because i know i can waffle so what i mean to say is that
we can see the validator set to some degree we don't have really a lot of information about it
but the changes in the validator set should be concerning the more it changes the more i'm concerned
if it stays put for a week i feel very comfortable there if it's changing the day before i'm like
okay let's see
does that make sense
um i gotta thank you from a secret so secret lovers is satisfied with your
i'm glad i'm glad response i do like secret so listen i want to go and ask first make sure robo
doesn't um bruce or robo doesn't have any questions but i was thinking since we still have um we're still in the
two-hour block maybe we should see that if anybody else would like to come up before i get in trouble
with robo okay yeah you're gonna get in trouble with robo he has his hand up go ahead robo we we
haven't even done like the weekly questions like the normal stuff that we do with like every guest
that comes on like i cannot believe he's letting it down we we haven't done the announcements right
so some announcements uh i guys have just dm'd sisler and asked them to take the snapshot
so if anyone hasn't uh registered uh then you're in trouble right that's what i'm saying
you've got to go over to the omni flicks now bruce can you put it up in the nest can you
yeah let me find it right sheldon before b-bands because she's going to go on a one-year woman
shortly watch uh now she's got you up here mate she's gonna proper drill you what's your favorite
sandwich sheldon what's your favorite sandwich in the world are we are we asking young sheldon are
we asking current sheldon oh current sheldon all day long of course um yeah we don't we never met
young sheldon like we don't know that guy he wasn't as cool by a long shot i assure you you might
have hit your head and and changed you know um but go ahead i'm sure no that happened a lot
um what were you gonna say bruce i didn't say anything oh oh okay my bad i thought i thought i
cut you off for a second there um so um realistically the way that a italian would do it
um like prosciutto and you know fat whip buffalo mozzarella sandwich that's my that's my king's lunch
because i i'm i told you i'm not a king or whatever but that feeling of regality to me in a sandwich
exists between um arugula maybe spinach nothing that isn't bitter enough you know wimpy iceberg
lettuce none of that and prosciutto and really really dense still wet mozzarella now there's a whole
thing to get into about heating that up or not heating that up cold is perfectly fine um whenever i
try to get that sandwich in the u.s uh the bread kills me because all the bread in the u.s is poison
but whenever i get that sandwich in europe or outside of the united states it makes me a happy guy
so yeah well i can hear it in you i can hear it in your voice i can tell sandwiches make you happy
just the wee passionate way you were talking about it and everything i'm like this dude loves a good
sandwich well i mean i asked i asked you about my childhood right because i had pb and j and just flat
cream cheese sandwiches for for elementary school and middle school for for many years
fuck that was rough it's cheap lunch hey who cares
at least you had a lunch man that's what i'm saying a lot of kids weren't poor enough to get the free
lunch
sorry i didn't hear that but i was just trying to say something sheldon and i'm gonna finish it now
my mom told me when i was like 11 or 12 that i was old enough to make my own lunch and she used time
to teach me like do this for that and everything and i just went like fuck that man i rather want to
learn how to be hungry so yeah i'm really good with hunger now uh that's that's me in breakfast and
that was me in college and it's it's kind of how my brain is broken because i'll sit and work and
run around and ride bike for 20 hours doing work and then realize oh fuck i feel terrible because i
haven't eaten anything so that's not good no i can't i gotta eat i get crazy i get angry i get all kinds
of like my like i feel like my blood sugar's off or something like i'm like i feel like i'm dying if i
don't eat that's the one blood sugar i've learned to carry around tamarind candies that's that's my
move now yeah no definitely uh well sheldon i'm gonna show my cultured side right now dude i would
say like the for me probably the ban me would take that the number one spot closely followed by the
reuben in second place i would think and i'm partial to a lobster roll as well from time to time
i feel like lobster rolls that are good are hard to get but that's that's a good pickings
bro go to fucking vietnam and get those ban me's the real ones on the street with the patty and
that in oh my goodness me they're gonna blow your fucking mind the the bread they got your face right
though the the peppers you know leo and vietnam they've got because of the french air french history
they've got some of the best bread i've had like in the fucking world those like a like a short like
french loaf ones oh they're just a soft like crispy on the outside like like oh bro take me to vietnam
right now will you i'm starving right last one from me sheldon before hand you over to b-band i'm sure
she's got something before she brings guests in uh they're kind of like not like yes or no questions
right one or the other uh answers one or the other so uh cardigan or cowboy boots
you gotta pick one what you're going with i have to pick one um technically i own both
um wow the see oh sheldon know how to dress i could see it i could see the outer right now it's
not really a cardigan though it's like that it's like that fancy thin sweater that you put on top
of a suit but under a suit jacket you know i'm talking about it's a pullover no no that's a cardigan
no no i hear what you're saying i don't know maybe that's nice yeah i definitely have cowboy boots but
they're like i have i have black like dapper ass boots they're not like ranch hand boots i'm not
some guy who plays in the dirt and fancy leather no we're talking about like cowboy boots aren't we
i mean like yeah my dad loves them i had a pair but nope i'm not fond of it it hurts my ankles
so when you when you said you're not the type of dude that play in the dirt with fancy leather
is that a really really really smart way to say you are not into swinging
no comment okay thank you yeah yeah no no euphemisms no euphemisms on this show is there
fucking hell no no pineapples please no pineapples see like so you're the kind of guy who likes his
floor shime zipper boots right i mean my my first pair of boots were made by a brand called demonic
and i convinced my sort of like estranged aunt to uh get them for me even though they were like a
size and a half too big and i loved them for years and by the time i grew into them they were only half
a size too big and i used them until i couldn't anymore i i grew into those from 14 to 23 when i
became a cable guy and wore them through yeah wait a minute demonic so your boots were from a demonic
did they have like goth vibes or like did you have like a kitten heel like oh no goth vibes like i i
definitely did like the uh the neo stuff at school i i have a uh black pleather trench coat in my
closet still actually my storage unit but yeah yeah i did the uh the matrix thing for a little bit
i didn't wear it all the time it was just special occasions oh i had the van helsing edition of that
coat man and i wore it all the time and it was so fucking long that every time i walk up any stairs
i would fucking trip in it every fucking time oh yeah all the way down to the shoulders
what's that be bad i said it's what well it's what people do for fashion like you know you're like
i'm willing to trip over my jacket to look good you know fuck it yeah exactly and sweat balls too right
sweat balls yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah and i wouldn't wash it like i was a goth teen like
the smell is a part of the whole fashion statement right i mean it realistically if it gets grayer it's
not as good so like it's not even a stink thing i'll let it air out but you know but if it gets
any less dark then what am i like you know what i mean like that's that was where i came from that's
how i learned to uh to wash my darks with a little splash of balsamic vinegar that's that's yeah
that's that's my thing eventually they purple a little bit instead of going uh grayish like they
would from bleachy you know cleaner or nothing could be as bad as this kid i was working with
man in australia right you should have seen what like what happened to his shoes and he just didn't
change them he kept saying oh i'm only here for a little bit more and i can't afford any and this
and that right for me if you'd seen these like these shoes and we were working in like mud and that
right and like he sucks he just got encased bro i didn't even know how he still had feet at the end
of this journey like literally i'm gonna find a photo i've got of it and you wouldn't believe it
dude it's ridiculous like you're talking about the thing where the toes separate from the uh like
the top the upper separates from the lower at the toe and then eventually it's just flapping
right stop it it's so hard to walk in those shoes man i've had one of those it's so hard
that's what the boots were when i let them go
sorry the latency difference is odd i'm still getting used to it especially from the eu side
i kind of had my rhythm for it in the states before
it's don't don't worry man i'm i'm i'm just a troublemaker bro i'm just here to disrupt
so i have a question um bruce do you uh do you want to ask anything else before maybe we go and
see if anybody else wants to chat with sheldon join the conversation since i just want to make a
statement to be honest all your clips and your sandwiches man you never tried a real sandwich
before you have a danish open face sandwich you don't know what you're talking about all your
white bread man you need rye bread real fucking rye bread made by the vikings and you need a virgin
to make that sandwich for you that has taken a two years education to make it like you know
nothing about sandwiches i get so infuriated every fucking time and you talk about it oh that was
just it thank you bbent all right it looks like uh we've made uh bruce a little angry but he'll be
all right and soy since you have the mic first would you like to uh ask sheldon or come in a
conversation and chat about anything um honestly i completely forgot what i was going to talk about
uh maybe maybe come back to me in a little bit okay so it wasn't neutron
this i only talk about neutron when you uh when you ask me to you know i'm not here to sheldon okay i
didn't i didn't i didn't i didn't ask sorry um we can talk about it i'm just embarrassingly not
current enough i'm gonna start looking it up for a second because i'm embarrassed
i've just been saturated with stuff i haven't been keeping up as well this week go ahead go ahead
it's it's okay sheldon don't worry about it well i mean would anybody like to come and chat with us
we're just hanging out last half hour with sheldon um coin landing page oh hello at his speaker
and you know don't worry about raising hands and stuff like that
also coin landing page it wasn't an invitation to shill just fyi oh i i thought because uh so i said
he wasn't here to shill he was leaving that open to someone else yeah i fucking knew it man well
you knew not today not today no i just wanted to make that joke uh i'm uh i'm in the in the fitness
so uh i'll go back to uh and do my sports oh wait are you on the are you on the elliptical
are you on the treadmill are you doing weights which where are you at i'm uh trying to row but
uh it's a little bit difficult when you're trying to hold the phone in the other hand
so uh you you're you're trying to roll right now he's going in a circle
just like just imagine like all that fucking energy he came up here he's rowing right now
just to make a joke phone in one hand sitting he's awesome it's dedication shall we shall we
make him laugh can you see what i put in the nest
nobody saw the shoes jeez look at the socks he kept them socks like that for about
honestly got about six or seven weeks oh my god imagine the smell
yours looks like cow tongues oh my goodness i'm trying i'm that sick that i'm trying not to laugh
you know i'm lying there on the living room floor and honest i feel like it could swallow me up right
now jesus kids don't drink it's bad for you i put it that way oh did you um did you ever call
ever end up calling that chinese girl i kind of hope you didn't because you were really drunk
so did you end up calling her or sending her a message or anything no but i kind of like said i
would you had to remind me didn't you you know what listen maybe that'll make you make you feel
better like you know like and then she doesn't respond for like 12 hours i don't know what like
yeah language or slang is using like the us or whatever bruce or what you're doing uh denmark but
like if i was back at home in england and i was describing exactly how i was feeling like
my friend or something i'll be like i'm hanging out of my fucking ass we would we would yeah it's
very close in denmark we would say i'm i'm like an ass that's tired of shitting
that's quite a good one that one i like that one
i thought i was for shit
so i have a question for you children it's a it's a deep one so like how do you how do you feel
like um how do you say this in english so your personal convictions and beliefs right your own
belief system and values how do you think those are reflected in the society you're now living
like can you can you can you can you recognize your own values in the society you have moved to
in valley in the um road anarchy stuff yes because in miami i frequently drive over the speed limit and
i do that while watching out for everybody around me and carefully planning and predicting where i'm going
to go and keeping in mind of rain and you know license plates that aren't floridian and all kind
of stuff so in the vein of traffic it's weird how much i feel at home because it is quite um intense
but also i i feel moderately prepared for some of this stuff you know the checking your mirrors and
and being like peripherally aware in multiple directions actually simultaneously not just like
glancing around it's a it's a skill you know you you develop it from a high pressure environment of
you know idiots in uh expensive cars flying by you drinking and doing coke so i think that the um
the driving environment is is honestly making me feel more at home it is scary i'm i'm being dumb and
hurting myself because i'm getting used to the left side of the road like more than anything that's the
the weird part but um my my values i think are being observed in the way that people genuinely look
out for each other in that the chaos of the road is everybody doing the best they can and just trying
to follow the sort of cultural norms in order to communicate effectively with other people
just through body language and road positioning so that's i think actually wonderful and it reminds me
of the kind of things i used to shout out the window in miami to get people to just do the simplest thing
you know one car in the way making a dumb merge at like a 90 degree angle blocks you know 50 people
very quickly on i95 so um i to not ham it up any further traffic is one um there's uh there's there's
something that was like not close to my moral compass but did make me feel at home which is
realizing how uh screwed up the infrastructure is here it's not just the um you know the way that sort
of uh cables and poles are not hyper regulated it's that the actual implementations of the internet here
are not great and people are just gradually getting uh the kind of wi-fi technology that i was
implementing in the late 2000s so um there is still like the newer stuff available but the newer stuff
that i'm getting that's available sucks it's all these asus routers that have terrible terrible firmware
and like are are not meeting their basic specs and features because the the firmware is just
not right and the ddwrt guys don't even like this series of units so they're not dealing with it
i had to default one of them and i went online to look at the instructions i used the new method
to default it didn't work wouldn't go into recovery mode and then i was like okay you know what this
is dumb let me just see if this is acting like the old one and then it did i'd use the regular old
school reset mode and it worked just fine so um reset uh procedure or sop or whatever you want to call
it so um from a network engineering perspective the bubblegum and shoestring feeling of infrastructure
around me is um it's comforting in a weird way because it means that i know i can be useful here
um i know that there's work worth doing i know that we're going to um launch a conversation with
biznet uh at some point in the next little while to get them to make significant changes in their
network they had to um plant fires by the way if you don't know what that means it's like saying
facility plant but um it means that they had like a you know critical facility of some sorts a place
where networks were meeting and they didn't have good grounding there so i think that's my sort of
number one uh complaint in in one way that the um uh what's it called that the uh the the electrical
infrastructure needs some love also i'm prepared to work on that locally for me i'm not prepared to
implement a culture of different grounding but the the eu way of grounding is is quite clever
and it works great but you have to actually implement it and only some people do here
and that includes an internet service provider so that's comforting but it's not in line with my
morals so it doesn't answer your question um to i guess tie off this one um about morality here
you're killing us here sheldon oh hey well i'm trying to soak up the whole two hours bro i thought
i had time so you know no coin landing's been dying here with his hand up i feel like oh shit
and then i'm so sorry you were just out of view no i'm really i really enjoyed i really enjoyed
that answer but yeah just go ahead oh no problem no problem i was uh wondering sheldon what would
you advise for someone looking into getting a wi-fi 6e router like a nice and secure one but a good one
i mean um first of all check wpa3 support um if you're really nerdy uh check the actual
components inside the router because if you don't have dual core in a router these days then
you're just you're going to fall down eventually you'll have problems eventually you're not going
to get the same throughput other people are um finding out how many cores are in your router is
not the easiest thing to find out it does take some some component research but the average consumer
grade router is either single core or virtual dual core these days um look into that because
physical dual core is is much more worthwhile in my opinion but um realistically wpa3 is is the
first thing that's like consumer grade trackable hey does this actually have the new key exchange
mechanism that's supposed to be better even though it's not at all perfect and there's lots of
problems because that's where you can expect them to make updates in the future and that's supposed
to be the new hotness because better key exchange etc even though it has its flaws um i think the
memo part of it is still really critical people sleep on that if you're buying a wi-fi 6e router
because it's matching the specs that you got hyped on then you might need to check a little bit
of what the sort of like most expensive option is and what the shittiest option is try to get a feel
for where you land in the middle so um if you don't have something like minimum uh two by two
antenna i might prefer four by four though that is like more than double what most people pay for
internet devices um that means that you you're coming off of one or two antennas with only one or
two logical um sort of amps or rf emitters or uses of that antenna right so um that sucks if you're
like literally looking at bunny ears and then literally connecting to the internet over bunny
ears that actually sucks uh in modern technology with multicasting and you know uh dual channel
stuff and and all kind of different things whatever so the the the bottom line is that i think that
because it's a good protocol and a new one that people are going to fall into the trap of
misunderstandings and the pawns will go first the people who get excited about these products the
linus tech tips diehard viewers and so on um i think they will be good pawns and they will go first
and everyone else is going to keep shopping more specific to performance in their use cases
because wi-fi 6e is cool but i could give a shit about six gigahertz because i don't have one giant
open floor warehouse where six gigahertz is super useful to me i hope that makes sense
yeah totally awesome thank you uh makes a lot of sense and uh i was actually looking at all those
things so thanks for confirming
and we have a new guest chess on chain uh he just stopped in and we have homestead too
so i don't who was first i don't remember i think it was homestead homestead you guys give me a hand
up give me a hand up if you think you were first either of you i don't know i i was clearly looking at
the top of the screen there we go chess on chain go ahead all right guys um how are you all doing
uh hey hey uh techie do you want an intro just like respect brother do you do can i give you an
intro is that okay because like we know each other you know disclaimer right you know like it's very
obvious to me i think it's obvious to techie and stuff but just to just to keep it casual um techie
and i have known each other for what about four years now four years and change i think
so it's it it's a um it's it's my joy to work on this concept with him even though realistically
i'm not doing much work i'm just trying to be helpful with some design stuff he really is doing
the heavy lifting we were looking at you know what is something worth doing that has a good balance of
you know computational value sort of like agility uh in general a use case that can be met and you know
sort of understood as also a new implementation of a new technology something cool well multi-chain
chess where you use your identity to play chess is pretty awesome so i'm just not gonna chill too
much for you besides that but just to say it in that way techie and i know each other and i do have
an intimate familiarity with chess on chain because transparently i'm a fan i used to be a ranked chess
player when i was a kid i don't like the idea of going to chess.com or light chess because as a
privacy advocate it really sucks to just give away my data to their ai or their records or to just let
people know that i'm playing chess on chess.com and that that's you know that's what i am doing which
is one of the most 10 000 popular websites in the world i'm i'm just not into web2 models for things
that actually scale really well for gaming and i really want to do things like play bug house and
crazy things on chain and um it's just teke and i had had been speaking before that we had talked
about things before that i'm very proud of him for getting a grant from the stacks ecosystem to run a
blockchain hub in his town in bielsa which is not the most popular place for tech honestly like i'm
really proud of him for doing that that is just one step in the stepping stone of me introducing him
in reverse because i'm sorry i'm so fried today bro let me actually give you a reasonable
introduction and then we'll keep moving um teke has been uh not just learning rust but teaching
rust to many other people for quite a while because when him and i met we were still kind of looking at
what's worth doing and what's interesting and what's out there and rust is one of those things where it was
just inescapable and i'm really proud of him because he took his knowledge further than me realistically
he could teach me some things about rust but at the same time he took that forward into let's do
something cool and got a team behind him and all the while him and i have been talking about these
different things about how the the hub would work on his end and how we can get support and do
different things i'm very happy to be helping with some different stuff so we can get them
their angels that are sort of like waiting but the bottom line is multi-chain chess is not about
being in one ecosystem it's about rust so that's how i wanted to introduce you bro because you are a
rust gangster my guy you are awesome with rust so thank you so much for coming up please any
question i'm very happy to answer for you yeah thank you thank you for the introduction
uh that's that's a lot um thank you very much uh yes chess is very very interesting and the idea for
a multi-chain is really really nice you talked about chess chess.com and i think we should have
choices you know and um that that's um one of the importance of of building this so um i i don't
really want to chill too much about chess on chain but um as sheldon has said um i'm from nigeria
by elsa and uh we anchor a blockchain hub in our city which is rust and um not just rust which is
clarity and uh other smart contracts uh languages and yeah we have quite a lot going uh my question is
um i was going to share um what i have in mind and then ask ask the audience for some feedback
about options i'm asking for the best fit like the best host to anchor an option um in this current
market i am aware of um cosmos and um the likes of poker dot kusama octopus network also and um
i think there's a couple others but those are do you know do you know if you're uh rust yeah
if you're writing in rust you want to be on juno right cosmoism is realistically one of these
decisions we were trying to save cosmoism for a little bit later so it could mature more because
cosmoism would be the the youngest rust component integrated for a chain but it's been discussed
i don't mean to put words in your mouth techie it's just it's it's not yet right cosmos has a lot to
do yeah uh most of the time i i don't just um like to decide on my own i like to ask for input from
others and um get feedback on on what would be nice so um this is more like a discussion to the house
um i'm curious to hear what you guys think about um an option like this and what would be fit for it
especially you show them i mean i think this is a really healthy conversation to have as a group
because on the one hand cosmos is like sort of blatantly labeled the app chain system at the same time
interchain security is going to smear that a little bit consumer chains aren't necessarily
but let's play a theoretical game god forbid cosmos is gone cosmos somehow evaporated
for whatever reason let's say you know critical tendrement bug found all exploited in the wild
all at once because of some crazy chat gpt kids something crazy happens and all of a sudden all of
the app chains and cosmos aren't as you know content connecting to each other in the way that they were
before sure they'll seek new homes with celestia sure there'll be conversations about other private
bridges and all different things but what other app chain ecosystems are there in general i appreciate
you naming them off at least that makes easy for for me octopus network is definitely one of them
they are um adopting their offering to accept cosmos sdk launches uh supposedly q3 is when that's
going to launch um you can read about that on medium i'm happy to discuss that as well not the point
of me being here but still happy to discuss it um realistically their main offering was substrate so
looking at them as a substrate host there's some very specific centralization risks and concerns about
them being the administrator of the smart contracts that connect with those app chains right um that
applies to both the substrate chains and the cosmos chains but if we're doing a comparison i should be
verbose why am i trying to summarize this to be verbose on this spaces where technically we have 15
minutes left but i think we're gonna run later is it is it against the rules to run late i don't know
it's not against the rules no i think okay i think this has become the sheldon show so let's just go
oh shit okay i love you man don't worry so so realistically in every trilemma in blockchain
there are people trying to tip the scale in one direction a little bit hard and make it make sense
solana does that to gain performance octopus does that to help small chains launch it's a very
transparent and available piece of information that the halborn audits of octopus network cite
centralization risk because all of the contracts of octopus network are administered by the octopus
network team and i have never had those admin keys nor do i want any proximity to them that's perfectly
fine from a liability perspective i'm an american there's no benefit to uh you know sort of putting
me in the middle of this existing regulatory nonsense even though i'm not physically in the
country right now and that's always how i felt about it uh since august 2021 is that i understood
that you know regulators were getting stupider and something was coming so i was like hey you know
respect i need to be hands off to that degree so inside octopus knowing that that means that there
are four different types of contracts that interface with every single chain in order to keep their
token contracts on near operating who retains and custodies the keys of those contracts it's not the
individual app chains themselves it's octopus network so that means when deip and this is all public
information when deip left the octopus network ecosystem last year it was the result of a decision
that was made on the um administrator side on the the centralized side and the contract was orphaned
from the chain the people who owned the chain stated that they were giving up on their mission
uh that they were literally going to stop doing anything so that was what we did is to um try to get some
some you know validators safely to to liquidity and then you know uh it didn't exactly go as a
as any policy i drafted said it should have gone and um this was by the way the day before our one
year anniversary uh october october 7th is the date of this event if you're looking this stuff up
but basically that chain lost access to its economy on the layer one because that is the entire service
that octopus network offers which is the ability to launch your own app chain pretty easily and then
connect to liquidity bell one what is that that is a hub type relationship and a really chain type
relationship combined because you can get you know compute out of near you can get compute out of
other adjacent structures so that's that's useful but what i did what i did all there to say was to
set up that octopus network is a sacrifice of trust and i've said this before is a sacrifice of trust and
security ultimately in order to get performance and lowered costs so that's why it is cheap as dirt to
operate on the zap chains it's not because they are um you know low price tokens versus the dollar
it's because we're supporting them with four validators of last resort it's because we maintain
the rpc interface the default one for those chains they're welcome to pop up their own rpc
interfaces and we encourage them that they do they usually don't they're leaning on us to spend that
money because we promise to do that as their partner so being a services firm is one way to get
this sort of client tech a for example and i think that it's quite reasonable to say hey if you're if
you're launching something that's smaller and more like a solo chain and your your product kind of
like needs to grow up in prod then we'll help you we'll literally give you free resources that's not
the kind of offerings that we're looking at at basically every other app chain system because
when polka dot is putting its thumb on the scale of the um trilemma which we can start talking about that
a little bit more as well the um sort of differentiation in the trilemma for them is
liquidity um if you look at um poker on ecosystem there's a a pretty massive uh economic shock that
happened to them this is just being transparent this is not hater shit right there was a two billion
dollar oopsie in that ecosystem for a stable coin that was coming out of one of the oldest defi products
and i have great sympathy for that oopsie because otherwise they seem to be doing okay i didn't think
they made a wildly great defi product but it wasn't bad for a you know for a chain that's whole
value prop was based on trading and interesting tools and stuff but that um economic gap is a
perfect is a perfect exemplification as how polka dot is completely focused on compute they're
positioning themselves for institutions so that's completely different from the type of security that
we're talking about at octopus right versus you know sort of single issuer that you have to trust
versus here's the relay chain the relay chain is the institution is multiple operators they all
roll up to parity software for updates but still you know this is this is the institution it is the
council of operators if you want to call it that from a human perspective for those aren't so nerdy
but that means that what you're getting in that sort of like choice in the trilemma is you're really
getting a lot better compute but you're getting less good liquidity and it is sort of infamously hard
to bridge with polka dot which is why polka dot does such good work advocating for axlar a
trustful bridge solution i appreciate that they do i love the aster guys to death but realistically
polka dot eco has not a great uh series of pathways in and out of it liquidity sense um whether you're
talking about centralized exchanges where there are many many assets listed to be fair
they worked hard on that and also um uh uh decentralized exchanges or even you know reasonably
centralized validator exchanges or whatever you know we'll go over the three types of bridges
another time but you know whether they are centralized or decentralized exchanges of assets
there's just not that much liquidity for polka dot they are much more the institutional play
because that's what they did with their you know big piles of investment money
is focus on being more like a cloud replacement and less like a service that helps small chains
running it's more like hey we want to offer you really high grade infrastructure for it the price
is the price the price is the price so um that's a whole thing about parathreads that we'll get into
another time but um uh basically well actually no we should get into it right now what am i saying
this is the sheldon show apparently so you can cut me off anytime you want teka you know i i i talk so
yeah i was gonna ask um yeah what do you what do you describe as uh you've mentioned severely um
small chains or uh how do you describe small chains it doesn't mean like uh uh i want to know what you
mean by small chains and what would you call a small chain so i would say that a small chain is a
product that has moderately low complexity and is not looking to necessarily engage a um a series of
verticals or a mass market they're looking for not a niche but they're looking for a specific target
market like example the biggest app chain in octopus right now is myriad their target market is social
media users who need to still be integrated with twitter but want to get off twitter like that's not a
terrible positioning there there that is a market right there are people there that fit that
description that want that right is that an easy way to go about managing a product no polka dots
products are really more positioned to hey this is something great for everybody this is tooling etc
and and the same is chewing cosmos honestly for for even um even if you're not looking at dexes even if
you're looking at things more like the raccoon chain and all kind of other stuff like i think that
the idea of doing something small and growing it is really what the solo chain model is is to say hey
we we want to get this idea in production because we don't want to be so victim to venture we want
more people to participate in the chain instead of investing in us and then putting sell pressure on
our asset you know it's not crazy to go the solo chain route in cosmos or anywhere else and get
started and cosmos is probably one of the best places to do the truly solo chain route but solo
chains i think are marked by that literally by low complexity and by um less wide markets of appeal
when i think about how many people in the world know what chess is whether they're in the west or not
that makes me think just from a start that's already a bigger funnel than just about every other
um app chain product that i'm familiar with including most products in web3 because there are far more
people who have played chess in the world than have ever touched a blockchain of any type
so just to just to say that but at the same time going further than that because it's not supposed
to be specific to the chess on chain this is not the question that you're asking i apologize i just i
get excited bottom line the idea of multiple integrations i.e doing signatures with multiple
other blockchains such that you can uh validate your identity on another chain you know doing that sort
of thing with multiple other entities to me already separates a um sort of like solo chain from
something that isn't what um you know polkadot would call a a parachain but is something larger is
you know an expanding product covers a larger range of users it's not necessarily about the um
physical validators i'm sure if i had more brain cells i'd have a third requirement sort of
but the truth is i think that the uh the complexity is is really a significant part of it because if
you're appealing to a really small group of people and you're just making sure that the economics makes
sense for like i don't know a specific type of chemical research engineer who wants to do
some specific weird compute ai stuff and you're making a blockchain out of it crazy don't do that
necessarily but anyway um my point is that if you're at that higher level of complexity but you're
still appealing to a small market then congratulations you've probably made a beautiful
niche product and that's great but those are much harder to make a you know multi-relationship
worldly thing what what kind of partnerships does our super science chain have you know the the super
science chain is going to partner with other people who are sort of on theme and then what have
liquidity like what else what kind of application data could possibly be exchanged what other
projects are interested in that who's who's tokenizing that on on some weird derivatives exchange right
maybe defund but like i think that the i'm joking about that by the way i just i thought it was
funny that we could tokenize almost anything from any chain with those guys and it was awesome that i
bumped into him in person but the um the the the complexity and the wide appeal thing is i think where
you get started if you look at every chain that's successful in cosmos and every chain that's successful
in polka dot they both share at least uh let's say two strong value proposition components like one
that's a little bit more major and one that's slightly auxiliary they all have at least this
and then multiple components of their software that are not unique to them necessarily or they're not
unique 100 but that are unique in the way they've implemented them you know like i'm not saying bespoke
solutions but you know if you make something that's too easy and too simple prepare to be forked if
if you're if your value proposition is that you make nfts that are literally just blank space
congratulations you're going to have a billion copycats tomorrow you know what i mean so i think
that those are the two ways that you would really define it um i'm trying to think who else we should
be giving a fair stab as an app chain ecosystem i'm struggling a little bit i mean avax is supposed
to be in that list but their consensus is bound to a single party so i'm iffy about that i have a quick
question so i actually had a question that i i typed down so i wouldn't forget um but there's
uh ambito also had a question you had said something earlier where you said um there should not be
one chain that only has one specific use no no um i i don't i might have said that literally i might
have said that literally it's not what i meant to say i'm so sorry if i said that literally yeah i wrote
it down real quick because i because i'm pretty sure i heard you say that so can you explain
what you meant i'm i'm i'm 100 sure what i meant if it's not what i said is that there is no one
specific purpose that should only have one chain i.e we shouldn't be trying to make all of the money
in the world based on bitcoin i like bitcoin bitcoin's great my life savings is in bitcoin
and light coin but at the same time i'm not rushing to make bitcoin the only money i think that is
psychotic that is events that is against the concentration of power principles that we're
literally trying to manage in the bitcoin network does that mean that you know well sheldon why don't
you want bitcoin to replace all government currencies no i think bitcoin is digital gold is a great backstop
for the dollar and a great way to re-peg global currencies to another value and all kind of shit like
that but i i'm using bitcoin as an example but also i think that eventually others will arise to try
to compete with chess on chain there are um different things like i think there's a widget
on near social or something like that there's different people trying to you know do other
things that doesn't mean that they would do anything half as interesting or half as worthwhile
or half as challenging as actual multi-chain distributed identity you know chess because that's
really the concept right is that you know multiple chains would be able to keep record etc etc
so okay and then thank you and then my other question is um ambito said if someone wanted to
explore the near ecosystem for the first time where would be a good place to start and what are some
cool things to do in the ecosystem sure good question um i'll take that one because i i do like near and
it's in the headline here thank you for that question um so i think awesome near.com is a really great
place to start um because i'm hyper transparent it is run by d1 ventures which is a known investor in
the near ecosystem they're an investor in octopus i've spoke to them multiple times those guys are
excellent they're very wise about how they manage ecosystem plays they are generally trying to do cool
things so i do like hey d1 is cool the guys who run that website are cool if there's something wrong
and you submit the information they do their best to update it quickly awesome near has about a
thousand project listed a lot of them are dead a lot of them are half baked it's just people launch
stuff and run off it happens in bull markets right so there are a handful of different things that tech
and i have looked at before for rewards there's a handful of things that i i i think people will
challenge the ethic of let's let's start there yeah let's start with the place where ethics is weird
yeah that's fun inhyped.com i n h y p e d.com i'll put it in the in the comments if you want me to
inhyped is a platform where you can pay for people to retweet you you use your funds on chain and you
say hey here is the link of the tweet or comment please retweet this i'm willing to spend this much
near and i would like to have this many retweets and it automatically does the math and shows you hey
this is what each person is going to get paid for a retweet and common culture on there is to
pay about a penny somewhere between a half a penny and five cents roughly for for tweets
there is seemingly not an extremely high volume of users there i would estimate there's not more
than a hundred so this is something that i actually think is valuable that's happening on
near and of course the founder is being a non still and i'm very proud for him and he's
actually uh probably a little bit uncomfortable for years when we talk about this stuff i did tell
him once that i would not be too loud about inhyped but since then i've introduced inhyped
to near governance as a social faucet the idea is simple if you are willing to retweet me it's not
that i'm necessarily paying you because it's not really worth the trouble of you getting the near and
you know trying to retweet everybody's mother and then you know go liquidate five dollars worth of
near and find out that you're caught up in the fees and you got to go you know farm it again like
nobody's farming this it's not really farmable from a human perspective because if you request a hundred
retweet retweets you don't really get them and that's how it should be because as a social faucet
you're just asking the people who are already on that platform to be willing to retweet you
and accept the reward they might have already been the people reading the tweet but the idea that
they would follow him behind you and be willing to retweet for a penny or two i think it's actually
really appropriate you could challenge the ethic of that but i would say in turn what about twitter
silencing me because i'm not using the keywords that are popular when i'm literally trying to tell
people about shit that's happening whether it's the government or cosmosum or polka dot or near when
i'm not using hot keywords that are trending at the moment nobody fucking sees that shit i'm super happy
that inhyped exists so that i can in those moments throw down a dollar and say hey guys i really need
this to get seen are y'all cool with 10 cents per tweet i think the highest i've ever paid before is
50 cents but that's the idea is the same way that a gas market works you can do a social market that
actually defeats social media platforms outside the platform with a reasonable record so i am
effectively on chain depositing into that platform so the amount of money that i've put in is known the
amount of money that people withdraw from the platform is also uh you know public information on
chain but what actually happens on the platform is just your record it's just it's bound to your key
it is uh semi-decentralized it's bound to your near account so that means that the information uh you
know the log of your stuff it is literally saved on that site it is not saved on chain as itself it's
saved on chain as a copy of the data basically a receipt so i like very much the idea that i'm paying
for ethical retweets to stop hamming up about that because that is something i use frequently now
there's also a few um little you know fun gambling things that are like defy like near crash you can
throw in some money and then you know you never know when the roulette will stop and then you get
all the money that was in the pot because other people are throwing in money it's it's cute i mean
i honestly don't like stuff that is just kind of you know defy and gambling but hey here's a fun way to
do it that actually evades uh uh you know legal stuff pretty nicely and it's just a really simple
hey we're going to put money in a pot and see what happens okay you know surprise you're the
winner you're the last one put money in that stuff's cute there is a lot of other things to do i think
it's worth noting that ref finance is probably the prime decks that's operated by proximity
there's a lot of really good features on there you can buy near directly with money and blah blah
blah blah but more importantly ref finance has something unique sorry robo's getting me sick
so ref finance has something really unique love you buddy the only thing that i i can describe this as
is inter-platform live inter-platform decks like i know that osmosis has active connections
with other um products and and you know ibc relationships etc but imagine if osmosis and
some random decks on evmos could be um making a swap that involved the liquidity pool of one on
one side and one on the other and then one would request it and the other one will reply with the
the liquidity and then volunteer some back into the other side in the form of a different asset
like there is this crazy hot potato going on between ref finance and trisolaris which is the oldest
decks on aurora which is an evm built on top of near protocol a lot of people end up going
there because they like the evm experience better please stay in the rust land you'll you'll you'll
like it better if you hang around for longer the benefit of all of that is that the eth gens who
do want to have their own little metamask great experience on a faster than ethereum platform
all of that liquidity is shared with the main decks on your ref finance so that means the most
important liquidity pools have not just one platform of users or one ux of user one type of user there's
multiple um other things to do um really big shout out to mike purvis for developers croncat croncat is
the fucking coolest thing that nobody knows about it's if this then that for um crypto it's basically
that you can monitor events and based on those events trigger other actions as long as you know
what those actions are in advance um mike was was basically brought to near based on the technology and
that was what he dropped down and like dude i didn't get to talk to him about it for a long time
but when i finally did he was like yeah i can see why you like it because yeah you're just you're
nerdy enough for this absolutely like dude i'm more than nerdy enough for this thank you so much for
putting cron jobs on chain it's the simplest thing i just needed a clock i just needed an event listener
thank you so if this then that on chain big shout out to mike purvis because that is
croncat is really cool just straight up um there's a couple other things with like pixel art and you
know trying to dominate the tiles so that you can you know sort of buy up the space like an infinite
auction of a mosaic where you're buying up a piece of the mosaic each time and you know people are
trying to like take over little areas and draw things in with their ability to control the mosaic
and stuff it's very i mean i thought that was kind of a fun art game um i feel like there's a couple
others that i'm forgetting um there's there's definitely some like richer games that have been
building for a while that got a little bit nervous around the the bear market you know people doing
lots of off-chain integrations but that stuff's not in prod right now so i'm not going to hype it up
too much just from a key perspective from a sort of like non web 2 familiarity perspective if you're
actually developing something really secure near is is really familiar to people who understand key
management so that is um how some products translate into something confusing but i think
the other thing that that you should do honestly when you when you log on to near to finish this up
because i hear myself and i need to get some water is um getting your name because i am crypto is dot near
i highly encourage you to get something um let me explain why i'm not sheldon dot near well that name is
reserved the person who uh sort of started the first marketplace to do the name services
is i think an old employee or at least one of the guild members or something and i don't necessarily
know who it is so i decided that i was going to register crypto is dot near and then as soon as i
realized i couldn't register my name i said okay i remember we used to do this shit back in the day
can i send this guy a memo can i send him a transaction with a little note if someone is nerdy enough to like
name services and run it on a platform like near they might actually be nerdy enough to notice if i
message them so i know the account who owns sheldon dot near is a certain account that is very old that
did start that platform and i have not messaged them yet because i've not gone full guns on this i
like crypto isn't it dot near i got used to it but i still want sheldon dot near so i'm gonna be um
buying that off of the person who owns it which is the marketplace and the reason i'm mentioning this is
not to hype up the marketplace because it's actually a couple of them and they all work
just fine you can you can look up if you want to find name services on near or names on near
buying it natively in the near foundation sponsored wallet is easy but that's not the
marketplace right that's just the initial picking of your name what i mean to say is that the reason
why you would get your near name is not to just have a um oh i guess that was band saying goodbye
thanks so much for hanging bands appreciate you um so um one of the reasons i i say the name is
important is because you can send messages to somebody else if you know their name
so um i messaged the sheldon dot near account on another platform i think it's called near chat
i still have the tab open but like i said i'm a recovering stoner so if you go to awesome near and
you search message or chat or messaging i'm sure it'll come up i think it's near chat but you can
literally just have private conversations based on key pairs that are made on chain meaning that you can
be better privacy than signal by just going to a website and having a blockchain address that's
built into your browser so so we did get a dm you're right sheldon yeah babe and she she had to run
she's uh got an appointment at the gym hasn't she so she's hung on for as long as she could but she
didn't want to interrupt at the same time you know she's sweet yeah yeah great host uh i see we've got a
home pleb up here and be do i hope you got some alpha there brother just what do you want they'll
be over there having a little plate on there yeah yeah home pleb welcome up brother hey robo how are
you ma'am oh dude i'm hung over to death jesus i'm i'm like death warmed up brother i saw that message
last night and i had replied kind of in jest and then i thought about well shit did i drive him to like
like busting out the fucking bottle and watching quadrophenia that movie's like four hours bro if
you were drinking through the whole rock opera no i stayed up and jumped on the white whale bloody
spaces didn't that oh my fucking god do not let raccoons on spaces at three o'clock in the morning
please for the love of god that was so funny bro i listened back man that is hilarious everybody
should go in on robo's timeline and find the tweet he did about the white whale community call and
just listen back man it's comical gold if you want the full crack like the build up of that bit
you need to listen at about 1 16 where we start talking about the block time but then as we got into
it and i got a bit passionate yeah like i was like okay i think it's it's very funny but it's also
a shame that it's recorded because record film basically just lost all juno funding possibilities
in the matter of two minutes
oh i really do need to re-listen then huh let me just skip it just skip one hour one hour 16 and
just sit back and enjoy it oh my god when i when i said nine seconds is way too long people sitting
there and the box shorts start wondering what they're doing with their fucking life i couldn't
help myself anyway shell and you've been honest to god you've been an absolute superstar uh tonight
we've got like a 10 minute warning from finn guys because he says we're pushing it there the two hours
has become two hours 20 regularly bruce hasn't it the last few weeks right oh yeah yeah we're trying to
push the limits of finn's rule books and experience yeah but it's a fun little game
else i'll rename it yeah hey no problem i'll just take over i'm a raccoon right so can i just can
i just take over oh no it's recorded oh okay i'm just playing you guys i'm gonna start blaming you
for single-handedly ruining finn's ability to do this with all your time overages
are we butting into another cosmos space are we stepping on somebody's toes right now
nah we don't know i'm just i'm just joking i'm just joking and it's not
oh shit fucking had me god damn it you got screwed all nervous though man
no we own we own this time slot uh sheldon people don't even bother anymore these days
they might try and front run us and get on half an hour early so they get the audience but uh
people generally leave that uh 8 8 a.m est slot and of course the west coast are not even
upright they're like three hours behind yeah there there is no morning show like this anywhere i
if i if i was living on the west coast i think i would have to occasionally wake up early for this
show i did it by accident yeah i remember that i remember the first time sheldon came in man and
he just had like the best jazz music going in the background when it was and he didn't put himself on
mute so we were just cracking on and all you can hear is this like beautiful little proper
background music like you've been an elevator or something that was a great space that when you
can i love jazz what jazz do you listen to yeah yeah what jazz do you listen to sheldon
well realistically it was supposed to be like muzak i don't know if you know what that means i know
exactly what it means and i fucking love that shit yes so that's the idea is that i found this um
youtube streaming channel that is just these guys and it's just their work and they're just happy to
have people watching and they're like hey please support us at this website you know donate if you
like our jams because it's just like really long jams that are looped and you know played over many
hours right so it was just stuff that i had running in the background like in the house infinitely because
me and my roommate had an ex had kind of gotten used to that you know that was just an easier way of
having you know instead of dead air in the house and then something i was like oh yeah no it must
maybe it's a little coffee shop in here so um i think the the thing i should mention though is because
there's other people who play background music and who try to like you know put a speaker up to
their phone and blah blah blah i think the reason it sounded so nice is because i always buy sound
bars that have like very specific configurations for uh driver layout and phase so it actually like
envelops the room really well without an echo but it's still like pretty warm and makes it sound
like you know tiny desk concert ish so i think that's that's the timbre you're talking about that's the
the sort of like quality of the quality of the tone that that uh that robo liked so much i'm i'm
worried i'm not going to be able to reproduce it without being in my living room
don't worry about it man but like this mosaic you know it's it's designed to make you very
comfortable and relaxed and just consume more products yes everything is fine just enjoy exactly exactly i
fucking love it but yeah i think it's time to wrap up this space man we're not far away but correct
yep guys remember oh hey actually wait no give give uh uh give old homie a chance homie you want to
throw a tomato i'm i'm i'm loopy like i haven't been in a while i'm sleep deprived you did ask to come up
like realistically if you want to poke and pride this is this is the reason i i came on all messed up
instead of trying to reschedule is like hey gimme what do you got anything jabs at octopus something
because i'm i'm used to them you've got five minutes left exactly there you go you've got five
minutes crew come on buddy okay jump up okay no just a quiet duck okay well quit pointing that gun
at my friend it looks like you're playing that gun come on home play well i i came up when b said that
it was just chat at that point and then shelvin still went on the gigabrain stuff so i kept myself
shut up because i was just gonna jump in and chime in on what bruce was saying and say like you'll
never feel like such a pleb in your life as when you walk into the dutch sandwich shop and they serve
you the open-faced sandwich and you're an american you know 20 something and you have never experienced
this in your life and you're supposed to eat it with a fork and a knife or something i don't know
and you'll never know the experience of feeling like a pleb until something like that happens so
brucey i know it and uh the sandwiches are top notch right it's a whole different game man but
talking about the americans and the open face sandwich so i have a friend of mine who have
who's a very highly educated chef within this fucking niche of open face sandwiches right she
won prizes and everything and she has a little cafe where she she serves a different very very very
limited i can't talk right now man the rarity of these open face sandwiches and one of them is
something called chicken salad and it's it's just homemade mayors mayo and chicken all stirred up right
and it's just really greasy and i've seen fucking tourists pick this up with their hands and just
fucking mush the fingers down in the fucking chicken salad and eat it like a normal sandwich and i'm
baffled every time i witness this so baffled and it's so weird but people yeah i don't know
i forgot that the sandwich thing is normal like i knew that i mean
this is this is a weird spaces just like robo's trash i'm i'm a mess i'm like oh man this has been
fun holy fuck bro it's one of the best big brain spaces i think we've had there recently normally
they just turn into absolute carnage and chaos and that like and uh i know for a fact people
sitting down in the audience there's people at work in the fiat mine and shit right grinding away
and they're just like with this in the background like listening happy that i do know yeah man thank
you for today thank you for today you know sheldon we really do appreciate like it was a very very good
entertaining night like dude i wish i wish i could have been a bit more compass mentors
but man i can be excused once in my life you know it's been a it's been a heavy couple of weeks
with these shows brucey right it has but it's nice it's enjoyable man i like it oh i'm just
two weeks in the game says bruce he's like two weeks in the game and he's like stretching and flexing
on me he's like try try 12 months of this bruce tell you yeah yeah bro yeah man i'm also unemployed
so i have so much time on my head yeah but i got a month to find a real job but
until then you definitely got me 24 7. that's the most dutch 15 seconds you've said anything this whole
show
um bro telling you rough day to day at the work as well you know i only work a couple of days a week
and i have to work today oh my goodness me i was like looking at myself in the mirror like this
morning at like quarter past day just thinking what are you doing with your life just shaking
my head looking at myself like my fucking god but i got there FYI i'm danish not dutch
oh shit sorry gray matter coming out of my ears my bad oh amazing don't worry bro don't worry
right brucey yep it's a shame we lost beybans but uh yeah woman's got to go and work out she's got
to flex you know yeah yeah man she's got to keep that husband of her in check man she's got to keep
the dominance the pants exactly exactly and uh there's our two two grafters our two artists down
underneath there you can see i'm beado i'm there brasco in the listening section shout out lads
look at those pfps man the 16-bit racks are beautiful aren't they i'm gonna have to show
the one off that i got off bruce because it's legit as fuck like i just uh was giving him a few
days before i bring out the flag of glory for him but uh yeah man oh look starlight's popping
again as well he's becoming a regular starlight straylight that's the one see i told you i was
whatever anyway i'm just gonna say i'm gonna ask bruce if he wants to say anything but uh
just i hope you don't get like run over out there in bali make sure you get yourself a full face helmet
because like i would feel far more secure if you did the the ratio of what i know a full a full flick
a full face helmet is gonna save your life right trust me you're not wrong you you haven't seen how i
treat this husk of a of a creature but yes i promise you i will work on getting a helmet because
regardless of my 20-somethings childhood gallivanting i should protect my brain remember i had a i had
like a 350 bath like at the time whatever 12 dollar hat on right i had motorcycle helmet and i crashed
and it's split open like a watermelon and i fractured my skull right trust me you if you're gonna be i mean
you said you might be moving or whatever but if you are in a place for like long enough if there are
essentials absolutely essential i would never go any distance like where they want especially
not on that barley roads out of the like towns and that fuck that anyway take care dude that's all
i want to say wear a helmet right brucey you want to say anything room yeah i just want to say thank you
so much sheldon for coming on and sharing your thoughts and ideas and morals and values and
everything man and your ankle scrapes really appreciate it all of it always a pleasure guys
yes mate you've got some fucking great takes like great fucking takes i'll be going back and listening
to this because there was especially some stuff that i really want to do when when you were talking
about the security and that but yeah man hey pop in on the uh the open mic shows uh sheldon whenever
you're like you know the door's always there for your brother right always a pleasure right guys last
thing to say thank you very much to sheldon and bruce and b-bans thanks to you guys right popping in
legends in the room the nft soon as like sisler gives the uh the go ahead i believe that the snapshot's
being taken we're gonna drop uh the first ever what exclusive one-on-one uh like on chain properly
not like the juno ones we've done they were more like uh minted for projects yeah obviously there's
no marketplaces or anything but this is going on uh omni flicks we're gonna drop it and i just wanted
to see it's our first one right check this out ambido 335 signups we've had that is amazing that i
think how good is that brucey i fucking agree man it's the record the record of this type of nfts right
in the whole space i don't know one has been able to claim so many on spaces oh no i don't know about
that sister wouldn't all right yeah i don't know about like something like maybe cosmoverse or
something i'd imagine they were pretty high yeah but nevertheless it's still like rack fm pushing
forward as long as like we can support like one another right in the way that we do yeah you were the
host and you know i i'm trying to these business like these guys funding like they're producing like
it's so fucking cool brasco's been knocking some amazing stuff out as well right every time man
yep we we're gonna do 10 nfts and then so it's gonna get mental but we said we said it we talked
about this a bit last night so i'm not gonna talk too much but yeah snapshot soon as he's there got
in touch and i'll let the team know and then we'll drop it right to everybody yeah so yeah once again
guys take care we are back next week this should be a mad show next week uh we have got a
soy 2 studio uh and uh jessica.cosmos coming up right that's going to be a good show i'm telling
you she's mad as a box of frogs so we should have some banter and we've got the nft round table
coming up and then what's the other one we've got brucey isn't there another one oh yeah there's
one more i was looking at the schedule today actually now i'm confused i know there's the
oh yeah i remember what it is what his name his name is will oh yeah how did i forget that
oh sheldon you want to listen in on that one will chen right this week uh wednesday uh it'll be like
wednesday uh same time as like tonight so if it was like 8 p.m for you yeah he's in indonesia
actually i'll be i'll be talking room yeah so that guys that should be brilliant yeah yeah that'll
be like wednesday night your time like seven o'clock my time 7 pm so guys listen there's another
fucking week of programming you've got like three shows coming up that should be belters nft round
table is always great so yeah man tune in right turn on tune in and drop out and i'll see you gangsters
on the dark side all right take care bye bye see you scooter
