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Reality Check 🧀🎙️
Recorded: May 6, 2025 Duration: 2:33:43Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation highlighted the upcoming token launch for a new game, strategic partnerships aimed at enhancing user experience, and the integration of crypto payments in gaming, reflecting significant growth trends in the blockchain gaming sector.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Music Thank you. all right gm gm gm uh kenny kyle sent you everything over good morning good morning yeah you went good morning completely blank
in the back channels this morning i wanted you to play rod stewart dude can we can we just can
we play a song now you know what happened oh good what's the send me the song i want to hear rod
stewart dude if you think i'm sexy let's go uh if you think i'm sexy come on baby let me know what uh if you want my body just reach out and touch me
what makes you want that i don't know it popped into my head this morning and i was going to tell
you to play it and then i fucking show up to the space and you're just playing fucking generic elevator music you couldn't even come up with nothing
let's go dude rots no because i fucking a true classic because i i'd say can you even hear it
yeah i can hear it turn it up that's like that's as loud as it's going.
Oh, fuck, dude.
You have no idea how fucking hard my mom used to go fucking cleaning up the house when I was a kid listening to this.
She sits alone waiting for suggestions.
He sounds honest.
I'm not a mess. We're going to turn it. There it is. Should I start stripping live on abstract? Yeah, fuck yeah, dude. Watch them tips roll in.
Oh my god.
I'm picturing Kenny dancing to this in his Speedos with the women on Saturdays.
Yo, Rod Stewart's the fucking man.
Yeah, no it is. Saturdays. Yo, Rod Stewart's the fucking man. Yeah.
No, it is.
I don't know if y'all ever saw that video for Infatuation.
Rod Stewart.
Man, when I was a kid.
He's like looking through the blinds at this chick in a bikini laying out by the pool.
I was like, oh yeah.
Yeah. chick in a bikini laying out by the pool i was like oh yeah yeah i need to send you the uh
coast invite it's not right you're not usually you're right next to me kyle's next to me and it's getting kind of weird uh we gotta move you back over here get me in there oh my god we're
letting saul up this early yeah yeah dude oh my god shit fuck yeah
dude what are we what is going on really what are we gonna do uh i mean nothing what is really even
happening right now dude not not a not a fucking thing uh not a thing at all but anyways uh gmgm
uh repost the room share the space uh we're live, both Kyle and I, on Abstract as well.
You can come check us out.
Not Kenny.
Not Kenny.
Not Kenny.
Would be good to see old Kenny Powers on stream.
I haven't seen the guy in quite a while.
So, you know.
Kenny, you should pop on here.
Hey, you guys, you haven't seen Kenny since you guys murdered that prostitute in New Orleans.
Well, we can't tell you what happened in New Orleans.
What happened in New Orleans stays in New Orleans, right, Kenny?
That's a motherfucking fact, brother.
Yeah.
There's only, well, maybe about, I don't know how many other people from that night
remember what happened that night.
I'd say one, two, three, four, five.
You got four for sure, but I don't know about anyone else.
Yeah, but either way, maybe one day.
One day we'll get authorization to say what exactly happened.
Full disclosure.
Coming.
What?
Maybe not.
Saul said I'd like to hang out in places
where an idiot is the smartest
one in the room.
There we go.
Mason said did my third gymnastics routine
to cigarettes and alcohol by Rod Stewart.
Fucking classic.
That's my guy right there.
Yeah, that's awesome.
Yeah, Ben, love you too, bro.
Oh, speaking of Ben, like, so,
Kyle, I don't know if you signed up yet with my registration
thing for uh project nova have you yeah yeah i did why is it going it's not going well no i mean
no it goes live in two days but i think we're gonna have try and have like a big community
um we're gonna have like a big fucking guild of like bins in it. And I don't know how many other people are going to be in it, but yeah, it's going to
be pretty good.
I mean, dude, a game like that, it's going to be absolutely a huge advantage.
If you can work together with people that, you know, especially if you can work together
with people that you have comms with, you know?
Um, yeah, that'll be a big deal.
What's the game all about?
It's kind of, um, so I guess they're guess they're going to call it a 4X strategy game.
But basically, it's like a...
Use resources, make ships, go fuck other people up, claim territories for more resources type game.
So it's kind of like Risk a little bit.
I was thinking of it like StarCraft, only everything's kind of floating in space.
It's not like you have like ground bases, although that was a limited version of it that we played.
So I don't really know what mechanics we may not have seen that there may be in the full release.
Did you see the battleship, the tweet the other other day where it was the wallpaper for your phone
the different ships yeah i did see that pretty dope i'll tell you what they've worked out some
really fucking cool ip uh there's like space elves and space space orcs and fucking yeah it's gonna
be pretty cool yeah yeah i'm uh i'm pretty excited once kyle steered me in the right direction uh when the
when the first version came out it was good but it's 100 bro was building tiles the whole way
around is one thing thinking that people couldn't fly past that yeah they couldn't come past it
really fly right past it and then the next day these motherfuckers are on the inside. I'm like, what the fuck?
But, yeah, it was fun.
But it's going to be on the App Store and Google Play.
The thing about space cheese, it's three-dimensional.
Yeah, I know.
Well, I just thought it was like some fucking glowing force field of glory that nothing was going to happen.
But, yeah, the game goes uh on may 8th on the app
store and google play and now you know the app store you can use crypto as uh payment rails so
it's going to be interesting to see their token tgs on the 22nd so i don't know if there's going to be immediate rails for crypto in the game but i
mean well so how it works is like you have to like you have to use an exterior you know function you
can't like like so you still pay apple 30 if you want like the in and app like double click on the
on the right hand side of your phone and face id and pay like that's all apple tech and they still
charge 30 for that
you can use the stripe api though and jump out of out of the native app and pay and then come back
to the native app essentially which is big you know but it's not going to be like as seamless
as you know all the other apps in the app store where you just click and pay and buy tokens for
the game you know yeah that's so i mean that it's a it's a little bit more of a of a jump and
a few more clicks to get it but i mean it it gives businesses the ability to actually like scale on
apple so that's yeah yeah and use crypto so i'm uh i'm down for that kenny i sent you the video
invite bro come pop in come say gm yeah right bro even if he's on his phone who gives a fuck like just get your ass on
the video i don't want you to see that big old mushroom stamp on the on his cheek from last
night that's what you don't want you to see i'll be blown away if he actually came in like it would
be amazing to have all three of us there um it would be something it would be would i've only ever seen pictures of kenny powers i've
never actually seen his face move really yeah for all i know he's just uh stealing images from
the internet and larping as someone else i don't even know i could have sworn we've been on video
calls he could be a she we have in discord what are you talking about okay yeah yeah i don't know kenny i don't believe it until i see
it um but anyways uh yeah so today's week two abstract games next game starts up in about 33
minutes brother i got murked so fast on that what's it called devil devil devil yeah holy fuck i got murked so fast on that yeah devil rug i kenny last
night i was all the way down to 15th place um i woke yeah and then kyle was watching that was
pretty that was pretty wild i was getting into that watching watching you i don't know why man
but a lot of the ones you were doing were fucking like 8, 9, 10Xing even more.
I can't get the fucking thing to go to a 2X before it rugs.
Yeah, he goes, motherfucker, you ain't getting no 20X.
Immediately, the next one.
The very next one, I hit like a 27X or something, and he's like, fuck.
or something and he's like fuck yeah that one was wild um then i woke up this morning
Yeah, that one was wild.
and overnight from everybody playing i was ranked like 380 then i went to go bring my daughter to
school come back then i'm ranked like fucking 650 yeah the leaderboard's getting ridiculous bro
it is so then i was like all right i'm gonna try and get back down and get back down and i just
kept getting rugged and rugged and rugged.
So now I've just lost my ass.
So now I'm just like out of it.
Not all the way as to have some points.
I've got like 400 points, dude. I got up to almost 4,000 and then just got rugged like six times in a row.
Because as I was moving up in points, I started, you know,
wagering a larger sum trying to that's you know and yeah
yeah i'm down to like 400 points right now had i had i just left it alone and not tried running
up to get higher up on the leaderboard i would still i think i would be right at the top 100
or right above it uh but now i'm nowhere near it yeah well the thing is the good thing is definitely fun i hope it's
not over because here here's the deal you know however many points people are making it's not
necessarily a point accumulation it's a rank accumulation so uh you know whoever's in first
place on this game doesn't carry over the points to just carry over first in that game. So you can, you know, if you do well over the next three days.
Where did you see that at?
I've played this before.
No, no, no.
Like, no, we're not doing this for four days in a row.
Yeah, I think we are.
Not the same game.
No, it's a new game.
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
A new game.
So what I'm saying is if you place in the top 100 in the next game,
it doesn't take your point accumulation.
It takes your rank.
So just because you finish 2,000, 3,000, 4,000 in this round,
if you end up in the top 100 in the next one,
that's going to bring you way up.
You know what I'm saying?
But see, I don't think so.
Look, so I'm sharing it right now.
I've played it before. I've moved up. Bro, nobody's'm saying? But see, I don't think so. Look, so I'm sharing it right now. I've played it before.
I've moved up. Bro, nobody's played this before, Kenny. What are you talking about?
I've played this series of games.
On what? Rectech.
You didn't
know that Kenny Powers is from the future?
I didn't. I haven't played
abstract games, but Rectech
has had this series of games before.
Okay. Has no one else in here played Rectech has had this series of games before. Okay.
Has no one else in here played
Rectech before? Not four days in a row.
I haven't. In the future,
did we make it or are we all still poor?
What's your rank overall?
Look, right
here, it says max.
What does it say your rank is at the top right?
33. I'm
But what it shows...
I've played before is my point.
All right, but it could be different for abstract is my point.
I'm basing it on how the games go before
and how the leaderboard on the week goes.
It goes from game to game,
and it takes your rank from each game
and gives you a cumulative rank
at the end of the four-game series.
Okay, because right here it shows on Deverell Rug, max points 1,000. and gives you a cumulative rank at the end of the four-game series. Okay.
Because right here it shows on Deverell Rug, max points 1,000.
Then it shows number two is max 2,000. Number three is max 3,000.
And number four is max 4,000.
So they're only giving you 1,000 points to rank up each game.
We'll see what happens where it lies
after this game goes off in 28 minutes.
But, I mean, if you played four in a row, then, okay.
We'll see if they stick to their standard.
Yeah, they have that one where you got to jump.
You got to pick numbers and you move up this leaderboard.
They have a blackjack one.
And what's the fourth game?
Let me try and remember.
Yeah, we're going to probably end up playing blackjack.
Bro, the number in the top right corner is my XP, which is 33.
Okay, mine's 65.
Yeah, that's not a leaderboard.
No, my point is I've played the game before is my point.
I've done the week-long series of games.
I don't believe you.
Okay.
I don't believe.
I just now found out this was XP right here at the top. I don't believe you. Okay. I don't believe. I just now found out this was XP right here at the top.
I don't believe you.
I don't think that's right.
Kenny Powers.
Cool.
Come on stream and you can see.
It's pretty bad.
Kenny Powers knows more about this abstract shit than you do, Cheese.
No, no.
You're the host of an abstract space every day.
I remember when he was hating on abstract do you remember that idiot like no you like six months ago on abstract yeah yeah you were you were like oh is it really
gonna make it though like was it why would it make it like you know ape chain is barely making
i remember i i'm not gonna let you live this one down. I don't remember that. Every space is recorded, so
please go find me.
We were there.
Yeah, we were there.
Go back on vacation, bro.
Go feed some starving children.
All right?
They tried doing this to Jonah yesterday
on AlphaCo
with him backtracking on.
He does that to himself, though.
Yeah, he was backtracking on the coin, launching a coin on Boop.
And they were fucking lighting his ass up.
Yeah, but, dude, that's because you weren't there last week, though.
Last week, he was, like, all on a fucking pulpit about how, you know,
week he was like all on a fucking pulpit about how you know if well i already have a product and
i'm not gonna fucking risk the validity of the product that i've already built by launching this
fucking thing and look i don't hold it against him at all get the money it's just funny that's
all it was just an opportunity to make fun of fucking one of the homies is all it was to me. But some people got kind of upset yesterday.
It was kind of funny.
I seen a post yesterday with a guy.
I can't remember who it was.
But he had like $65,000 to claim.
And he's like, why don't I just pay the 86 soul, let it graduate, reduce the days, and get my money before everyone else like you know yeah
that's like 12 grand for him to buy his airdrop but that's exactly what uh cyrus did i mean look
he he bought 50 of the supply he burned it the coin shot up to five six million which got him to that next year um so he could i wonder why
they lowered everybody's shit because mine used to say 20 mil and now it says so i'm confused like
about these whole these whole mechanics that people get on like are they doing like is it
like charity work like is that what they're doing when they like put their money in to burn things
well they're gonna they're gonna ask so so so every every person has an allocate well
not every person some people that kenny i'm talking about like even the broader scope of
people like like producing a burn publicly like and giving like large sums of money to nothing
right to pump the bag right is that like all right so is that one second one second is that an effort
to like you know to donate to us and make us money?
I'm just curious.
It seems like a hard grip to me, honestly.
So, Saul, there's a little confusion about what burning uncollateralized supply means.
And so I just want to remind everyone that uncollateralized supply is uncollateralized.
Why do you sound like you're inside a catalytic converter that I hollowed out for my Honda when I was 16 years old right now?
I think he's actually taking a shit.
I've never heard the echo in the background.
Yeah, but that was a very specific metallic echo.
Oh, it absolutely.
You caught me and Jesus called it right.
But I had to jump in because there's a big misunderstanding about what an uncollateralized burn, you know, burning uncollateralized supply really means.
But even if it was collateralized, it's still the same.
It's the same like a slight of hand.
It's like the same thing magicians do when they cut their daughter in half.
It's like, come on now. You're playing hide the salami and, you know, pretending that it's generosity.
Exactly.
What if Chaos Club actually has like a British accent and he's like soft-spoken?
Oh, my God, dude.
Yeah, no.
It's like when Sheba.
You guys remember when She shiba inu popped
off and like they they gave they sent all the money to vitalik and vitalik like actually donated
the money they thought it was burned like oh we sent it to vitalik it's either burn it's pretty
much burned you know they said that and then they said then vitalik sent billions of dollars to
somebody which was great to me like he actually donated the fucking money like um but i think
more people should actually maybe think about life like that.
Like don't just waste money to try to act like you're going to make everybody
money.
Like maybe just like give it to fucking coin Kong.
So we can feed fucking homeless people.
I don't know.
That's the thing about those homeless kids.
If you feed them today,
they do get hungry again tomorrow.
And by the way,
if chaos club is really a British guy,
he's doing the best impersonation of a retarded guy. I've heard but djens are the same as homeless people you feed them today
they're hungry tomorrow it's the same fucking shit only difference is like they don't spend
the money on food they give it to scammers so like i don't know i'm just saying i'm a realist bro
yeah but if you're burning uncollateralized supply you're really not changing anything in the market except for the maximum
supply and if you had that supply uh to burn because like you minted it to yourself in the
first place you know it's really meaningless yeah it was literally just for him to get the
fucking thing that triggered early people bought the chart up and then he got 225 000 airdrop to him now whatever his agreement
was with dingaling in the background uh i have the slightest fucking clue um i don't know why
other people haven't just burned their supply and gotten it but maybe that's a disqualifier
or something i don't know or maybe there's something in the math that didn't account for
someone just burning part of the supply yeah well it it so my original graduation was it graduated
then it was reached like 500k market cap it was like all the way up to 20 mil so now it's back down now it's five mil to get the token uh like fully unlock um but i just
have to wait it out to 25 let's see we got 25 days left but i'm not gonna lie it's like a pretty good
marketing scheme to like dangle this big ass carrot in front of like pretty much broke people
who act rich right like it's actually like pretty effective in my opinion like i wouldn't do it i
don't think it's necessarily ethical on some level like and I think we suffer from a lot of unethical
decisions that, like, cause us to lose money over a two-year, three-year period. But, like,
Ding-a-ling did it. He put the carrot in front of him, and, like, the next... I wonder what the...
The carrot's big. I wonder what the stick is. Stick's got to be even bigger right than the carrot yeah i would imagine
uh i would imagine he got the money and uh fucking staked it and he's probably getting a big old bag
on the backside tip um is what i think cyrus did there in the beginning because that would have
been a lot of money for him just to jeet right out the gate so um but yeah i don't know but yeah it's pretty like i haven't been paying attention to this at
all but how much liquidity is there even actually in the token so like could you even really keep
that whole yeah it's like yeah it's two million dollars in liquidity so yeah what would be the
price impact i don't know i mean it'd be at least a little bit you know yeah it'd be a little bit
but who gives a fuck at that point if even if it was 10 grand no doubt free money is free money yeah my guess my guess is that like
they're probably stuffing liquidity in when big chunks come out is my guess like if they're if
they're really smart and they're doing their job right they want this to succeed they and they're
giving out big chunks of money like that they have to back it i mean that's what hyper liquid was
doing essentially people take big amounts of money out and they flush it up so i mean yeah people need to start doing that anyway i think i think that's like
one of the big defeating points of this game is that like the people that are making money
aren't refilling the lp like yeah you know and it's a big problem i mean i think it's pervasive
throughout the industry people have like accepted that like oh we can get by with only like two to
five percent liquidity and then you know and then the chart dumps and everybody's like oh my god
it's over
Scotty Pippen's like one of the only people that kind of
did this right maybe it could have gone better
but like they dumped the chart and he
put the money that he made back in the chart
you know and I think like
Scotty Pippen knows
Satoshi Nakamoto
that's right he does
yeah that's why
Kenny what's up with
this ll jeffy shit is the guy dead or not oh shit yeah kp it was your turn to watch yeah i know i
don't i mean look i don't know i think it's all bullshit bro i think it's i don't think he's i
i think he did it just to launch a fucking meme coin. I mean, like, so apparently I read something where some dude,
so apparently he sold off his zero bro,
like holdings.
This is all spec speculated speculated.
Like I read somebody's post that said he sold it.
And then he looked at the guy's mixer and the guy created that Jeffy coin.
So, and then there was that video that was out, you know, him like, you know, you know, shooting himself, whatever.
But the coin hadn't moved.
And then all of a sudden.
Oh, I didn't never hear of a video of him shooting himself.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He committed suicide.
On video?
I didn't hear that.
The video looks a little like i mean you got to give it the benefit of the doubt you know like just in case you're wrong
and if he really is dead you just look like a shit hit so well i mean binance put it in their
shit so i mean i don't know how how much confirmation is. But I tell people a lot.
I mean, actually probably multiple times a month when people call me to launch tokens,
I tell them how awful of an idea it is for them, not only emotionally, spiritually, but also financially.
Even if you have a successful token, it is honestly not a worthwhile,
unless you're an actual extractor and scammer, which most people that try to launch tokens actually aren't,
it's a very bad thing to do for yourself, your family, and your psyche.
I mean, I think people forget that once you're successful at it
and you hit those $100 million markers,
there's much meaner people on the other end of that chart
than there are the $2 million marker.
If you fucking sink a chart from $300 million to fucking $30 million,
there's people that literally want to kill you.
And like, they try to ruin your life.
And I don't think it's like,
I don't think the cost benefit is worth it for most like people that are
actually trying to create a business or create something profitable for
themselves and people around them.
Plus there's only a limited number of times you can kill yourself as a
publicity stunt.
Yeah, that's a good point.
Is this a video of him
sitting in a car, I guess,
and it's dark and he's smoking?
Jesus is looking for the fucking video right now.
If you guys want to watch Jesus jerk off
on fucking X-Track.
Regardless if it's real or not,
like, video.
Yeah, regardless if it's real or not,
I mean, like like tokenizing somebody's
you know this is the video do not play this on abstract you're gonna get your account
fucking deleted it's very dark and grim in my opinion you know like like and why are people
buying it's just it's weird i don't know it had a huge spike up to 30 mil and then fucking
instantly went from 30 to like 5 mil.
He's like smoking Marlboro Lights too, bro.
At least smoke some fucking man cigarettes.
Jesus.
But I don't know if this is the video.
I smoke Palma Red 100, so I feel that, Jesus.
I don't know who this is, but we're bringing
him up. Fuck it.
On a fucking heater today.
Yeah.
Well, I know everybody else. How are you doing? but we're bringing them up. Fuck it. On a fucking heater today. Yeah. Coin Kong, what's up, Jim?
How are you doing?
Coin Kong.
Signal.
Do you use chat GBT 4.1 yet, bro?
Go up the wall.
I use 5.0.
That's a great way to get removed immediately.
Just come up and just start yapping
while we're literally in the middle of talking to someone.
That's a great way to get removed from you.
Anyway.
Is that Thomas?
Yeah, that was Thomas.
He still follows me around, bro.
Fuck.
Everywhere I go, this motherfucker's there just yelling.
He's a loyalist, man.
Modelo, bro.
This guy,
when he comes into spaces and just screams modello he just like loves modello
bro oh shit bro gets like shit-faced every single day and just goes on spaces and yells
at strangers on the internet like crazy why did you just yell oh shit jeez i don't know
bro i don't that video looked pretty fucking real to me. Yeah, well, I can't wait to watch your abstract account go fucking black.
My abstract account isn't going nowhere.
I fucking am viewing public information.
I was getting mad last night because I was, like, fucking typing funny shit in your chat,
and it kept deleting it because there was bad words.
And meanwhile, you're live on the stream going fuck go up motherfucker
go up bitch and i'm like i can't fucking say one bad word in the chat i know regarding this jeffy
situation though i don't know why it's going like sort of i started picking up steam last night is
what i've seen on the timeline in the morning and then today there's some people talking about it
but the first day no one talked about it like i I don't know what took so long for people to catch on.
Maybe he started paying influencers as well.
Like, yo, dude, like, no one cares.
Like, you should talk about this.
Yeah.
I hope it's not real.
I hope the guy's not dead.
That sucks.
Especially to kill yourself over a fucking coin going down.
You better hope he's not really dead.
You just live streamed a fucking suicide video. Nobody knows mean exactly what maybe you know if it is real nobody knows
what he was going through in life who knows you know like no you know but regardless it's a it's
a really dark situation and regardless like people tokenizing shit like this and just like trying to pump these charts like it's just fucking weird bro people are fucking weird yeah yeah yeah they are
i don't get it i don't get it he's also dropping an album uh so maybe promo he he he kept saying
the n-word i don't even think zero bro's like an ai like there's no
way uh i think he was just on there just crashing out and who knows like it's all what do you think
i don't you think that i didn't pay enough attention honestly like you know i like like
when all that ai agent shit started popping off like i realized like most of it was like literally
fugazi like that's why i fucked with you because your tech was real um you know and and so it's like i don't know i just think
people want to believe things that'll make them money um and that's kind of sad and depressing
because if they just like focused on making ten dollars like doing something real and then saving
that ten dollars or make another ten dollars like they'd get much richer and like that's i think the
saddest part of this is like i watch people with regular jobs like do much better than the people that i see act rich out
here and it's just kind of uh actually like content in my opinion you know i'm still bullish
on crypto and ai like the intersection if i'm honest i'm not but here's the thing here's the
thing not like all it was was people were taking the ai16z llm model and just like creating other
ones it was just you know a complete regurgitation of the same thing over and over and over and people
were chasing one coin to the next one but that the the hype was there and it was a very profitable
couple months if you were in ai you know until people start to make real products that have ebitda i will not fuck with these
companies like literally they're like they're poison and like i'm tired of like watching all
of my friends waste money on companies that have no bottom line that don't care to share anything
with the people that give them free money and like ultimately it's like it's a three-part grift and i've seen it's all to say about ebt cards online earning before interest my brother you know like but like once
he once these companies like actually show me that they can earn money without taking money
from me to call it earnings like you know you're not gonna fight there are no metrics like that in
crypto what no there can, there can be.
There can be.
They refuse to use them because then they can't grift you.
They can't fucking fraud you.
That's like the catch 22.
It's like, like, look, like Pudgy has a bottom line.
They make money, right?
Like they're like, like Yuga, they make fucking money.
They have actual metrics.
You go look them up.
They own their IP.
They've actually done like things that
real businesses do and when people are out here larping as real businesses and they're not real
businesses literally it's fraud dude but there's no value metrics in crypto bro yeah that's because
you're allowing it to be that way wait wait but like the thing is bro like look me and salt me
and you have like like sort of agreed on this multiple times on our shows as well.
It's really like it's more profitable to be a LARP.
To actually build something, you have to give it effort.
You have to give it resources, time, money, all of that shit.
It's easier to be a LARP, cause mass speculation, and then print off the transaction fees, whether you're a marketplace, whether you're a token,
whatever it is, as long as people are spending money, the product is the speculation.
And that's the problem with crypto when it comes to that sort.
And if that wasn't the case, there would already be a way to do on-chain subscriptions.
There's so many payment providers in crypto, but no one's doing that.
And that's the bottom line of every tech company is what is your mrr what is your arr and that that does not exist here because
speculation is the product and the transaction fee is really what drives all of that stuff yeah
they have to open the mystery box that makes them all this money cheeses to actually put profit on
the table and pay their taxes they don't want to do any of those things. So therefore, they're not fucking real businesses
and I shouldn't give them my money
or call the money I give them investments.
I think that is actually ill-advised.
I'm going to stand on it.
That's the biggest difference between the traditional market,
like the stock market and crypto,
is that there are quarterly earnings reports.
There are no earnings reports in crypto.
What do you base it on? There are, actually are no earnings reports in crypto.
So what do you base it on? There are actually.
Go look at Tether.
Go look at Chainlink.
No, of course there's revenue streams,
but there's no crypto market annual returns,
quarterly returns that people value buying and selling off of,
is my point.
That's because the standard was set at such a low bar that nobody wants to
raise it because the minute you raise the bar,
none of these motherfuckers can grift you no more.
Yeah,
maybe.
Yeah.
And Saul has a pretty good point.
You know,
if you are looking to,
you know,
use that word investment and make investments, you probably should be looking
at the regulated markets that actually demand that someone have a business process in place
and a cash flow in place before a symbol is even created or before investment capital is raised.
So, you know, Saul does have a good point there that if you are looking to be an investor
or do any type of investing, you should probably look at actual investments on regulated exchanges.
There we go.
Yeah, but that goes.
I don't know about all that.
I think I'm here to speculate on vaporware and that's what i'm going to keep doing it also goes against the decentralized ethos that crypto was built on right let's say what's up to johnny
johnny god damn you've been patient sir how you doing this morning what's up what's up i'm i'm
doing amazing just got out of the office and i'm one of these guys who actually does good in the web2 space like you do also. Kyle wakes every day up early to be at work, to be at the machines, to work for our environment and everything.
environment and everything.
Yeah, I'm doing amazing.
And I think there will be a time
I think there will be a time where we will value more
really companies in Web3
which actually make money
than we do now with all of this speculation.
But you have the same speculation.
Look at Meet Beyond.
This stock market, this stock is 99 down and was also speculated on i mean it's not just in web3 but there are more
fraudsters in web3 than in web2 because it's much easier to hide behind some um some shiny words who nobody understands.
Just sort of like the words you just said, motherfucker.
I don't know what the fuck you just said.
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
You just have to come up with some fancy words
and everyone is thinking,
wow, this guy is really smart.
I have to invest in him 100k and
he will make me 1 million k like there is a project which which is like an ecosystem of
printers like they having all of this arbitrage bots etc and all of their tokens are down they
have about 30 printers and now what they're doing, they're launching an EVE printer.
I mean, it's just vaporized.
And they have behind them people who are just feeding them all the day long.
They made millions and millions.
And that's just one of the ecosystems in crypto where people are making millions or founders are making millions of dollars.
Jeez, I see you got Bosu Kev's video on the stream right now.
I went into the Discord for final Bosu this morning.
I was like, welcome to day two of day one of week two of week one of the Bosu reveal.
Yeah.
When is the reveal was supposed to start
yesterday and hold on now first of all the reveal was supposed to be last prior yeah and then they
didn't do the reveal because there was the event or whatever they want they didn't want everybody
to be tied up at the event i'm like okay cool we'll wait for next week whatever then yesterday we go all day
with nobody telling us and i went into the discord just to ask what was up and just kept getting
literally trolled by fucking like both team and community members i was like well this is
productive and then last night at like 9 40 we get a tweet that the delay is the reveal is delayed yeah now yesterday a lot
of people did start sharing that you can see the abstract collections on open sea um while there
there are no collections are tradable um as of yet they are getting listed on open sea which is
i think is going to be massive.
I think it's going to be really big.
That led a lot of people to speculate
that they were waiting for trading on OpenSea to do that.
The new OpenSea is dope as fuck.
I'm not going to lie.
Yeah, I love it.
I haven't really looked at it much.
But just to finish the subject here,
Kev did finally end up tweeting.
He quote tweeted the tweet from the BOSU account saying that the reveal is delayed,
saying that there was technical issues with the reveal.
The interesting thing about all of this is that the floor is actually kind of up a little bit on these
and not down bad, which is the opposite of what you would expect given what's going on.
I think it just goes to show that, like, I don't know, man.
Like, the way they've rolled things out has been interesting enough,
and the IP is strong enough.
And, like, I just think people are just willing to put up with a lot more
bullshit on this Final Bosu stuff than they usually are.
Yeah, but I think if, like, right now,
because I put a tweet out yesterday,
like, OpenSea controls 42%.
As of April, they controlled 42% of the NFT market share.
And Magic Eden is way behind it.
And I think more people are going to get exposure to abstract NFTs.
And there's a couple of things that like these floor prices,
like bearish at 0.175,
enough people just don't know enough about the NFTs.
So on top of the abstract team doing this abstract games,
they have $100,000 they have to give out in prizes.
Now there's USDC and other things they're giving out,
but there's also NFTs.
And when you look at the Abstract team wallet,
their public wallet on Abstract,
they have no NFTs in the wallet.
So they still have to go out and buy some Bosu
and on-chain heroes, Captains, Bearish, Kabu,
all these brands they've been supporting,
probably some-
Canisapiens.
Maybe Canisapiens, yeah. I mean, they might have some of those in there. brands they've been supporting uh probably some kind of sapiens uh maybe canna sapiens yeah i mean
they might have some of those in there um i i think they're going to go through and sweep some
of these and i think they're going to do it whenever whatever happens here with open sea
uh just to bring even more volume over there then you're going to have the rest of the people that
don't know what the fuck it is and they're going to see all these projects trending because when you go to open seas home page it it doesn't separate the trending
or the top collections by chain automatically it shows you everything so like even right now
always number one is courtyard you know because there's just a lot of volume over there.
And then for the most part, it's all just regular ETH projects. Sometimes you'll see a Ronin. Yeah,
here's a Ronin right here. But I think you're going to see a lot of abstract projects in there.
People aren't even going to do the research. They're just going to buy them because they're
trending and you're going to see a lot of volume and i've been saying this now for about four or five days like i really still think abstract nfts are undervalued and
we're going to see a lot of these floors readjust um so as we were talking as we're talking about
bosu uh bosu kev did just literally moments ago put an update in uh the bosu discord he says uh the reveal is on pause uh this isn't
ideal and as far from what we all hoped for we've run into some issues we tried to solve until the
very last minute we were all counting on the reveal happening today we've been pushing as
you'd expect from us doing everything we possibly can to make it work. But when it comes to the reveal, we won't cut any corners.
We will get the reveal process started ASAP.
Update tomorrow.
Wait, we were supposed to get the update today.
This is the update of the update, apparently.
For tomorrow, there's going to be the update.
Thank you for your patience.
Oh, wait, I'm fucked.
I was reading yesterday's thing.
Get out of here, bro.
You're fired. Look at the date before. Hold on. This is way longer, wait. I'm fucked. I was reading yesterday's thing. Get out of here, bro. You're fired. Look at the date before.
Hold on. This is way longer, actually. I'm going to read this. Go ahead. Keep talking.
I'll sum it up after I read it. Oh, my God.
Okay, okay. That was hilarious.
Wait, Luca. Let's calm down.
Don't interrupt Johnny. He would never interrupt anybody.
Yeah, I've been all the time
having my hands up and being polite and everything now let me talk one minute um what i wanted to say
the final post so yeah it's not that easy to to make all of this uh happen i mean they have all
the metadata i would like to know who is in the back channels who knows uh which are the one-on-ones
uh if people are selling them or they're scooping up from the floor if there is any inside trading
like the nft metadata leaks or anything yeah yeah i mean they they know actually they they have to
know when they are revealing the project which are the rare one which are the less rare one yeah
the team knows that but it like if that gets that information gets out bro that's gonna tank though
the entire project will tank so i would imagine that information is fumble the longer they fumble
this process you know the more opportunity there is for those kind of shenanigans to be played
right and this was like the one unique part of this project you know was this like special reveal
mechanic and and they're fumbling the one thing you know that it was supposed to be special about
the project uh being you know, a controlled reveal like they described
is not that elaborate and is not difficult.
So it really, you know, brings into question
the technical skills of whoever's in charge over there.
Yeah, okay, so basically this says there was a issue
with the layering of the traits or some shit,
and they're going to get it fixed asap they're
not going to give a date or time but he is expecting it to be days not weeks that's basically
what this whole thing says he does say sorry for this is the poor comms and shit uh that's the
rest of it can i be honest honest? Okay, so I've
done a lot of collections for people.
I've generated a lot of these, and this is
amateur hour, bro. I'm sorry.
I like Kevin a lot.
It sounds like we had to
try to run the generator,
and right at the last minute, they realize
some of the traits aren't working, or
that they don't know how to operate the generator properly or whatever yeah this is we had our we had our collection done for canna
in january idiot and we were making small changes from january to february right like so we were a
month ahead of like schedule on like having the art ready right and this is like a a big failure
that people do to themselves and the one thing is like like unrevealed collections tend to keep going up so like it's not like gonna affect his business
like that but i will say like and i would tell him to his face because i like kev tell him directly
like you guys should have been on this like this shouldn't be something that people are like doing
last minute it's like kind of actually like offensive in my well it's especially crazy
because of the timeline that's raised a lot of money.
The ETHNFTs minted literally like a year ago on ETH Mainnet.
And then they literally did fucking like a months-long process of whitelisting people.
And then weeks and weeks of actual...
It was like two or three weeks worth of minting, right?
There was like three different phases over the course of like three weeks and then that was that ended weeks
ago before the reveal so it is it's just like dude you guys had nothing but time and money
time and money like i've seen people with no money do better work so that's like the concerning part
and you know and and i do believe like we're paying people too fast in this industry
like over the wrong over the wrong things like like give the money to people that actually do
the work like i'm sorry like it's like i don't know marketers be so who rocked you i mean uh
you're today on that who rug no no no no no actually don't look look i don't buy
so check it who hurt you i'm going to tell you factually why I'm mad about the industry the way it is currently.
Do you have a 72-hour dead man switch?
I'm going to give you the fucking factual, actual matter for me, personally.
All right.
Make it last like 30 seconds.
Okay.
I've watched my friends lose millions of dollars to scammers and people that do bad marketing
and don't actually build anything. So when I get
frustrated, it's out of genuine empathy for people that can't even feel anymore because they're
literally lost. People I love and care for, I've known for fucking years, like are, are suffering
from trust issues. They trust these people and the people don't do the fucking thing they're
supposed to do. So like, I'm going to be the one person that continually stands out here and says,
this is some bullshit. I'm going to keep showing up to tell people this is some bullshit and it needs to
change i'm not gonna leave the industry i've been here since 2017 but it's not gonna change so it
doesn't matter how much you show up it will change just like racism in the south has slightly changed
over the last 30 years web 3 i don't know what like that you live in california you have trust
me i have family in the south and racism but trust me they're not hanging
niggers every fucking day bro they're trust me they're cleaning the sheets things have changed
things will change okay before this turns into a fucking race riot i'm just saying the facts
idiot look people want to people want to like look at me like i'm the bad guy for saying the
fucking facts the facts are the facts we can fuck yo speculate. Yo, but Saul, I gotta say, I gotta say one thing, Saul.
I appreciate the fact that like
you try to do everything ethically,
but I will say like the people that lost,
like look,
if you lost a significant sum of money
on any one thing,
you overinvested.
Like this shit is all speculative.
Like you don't actually know any of these people.
Like most of the people building in the space don't have an established track record and a business that generates revenue that if that is harmed, their life gets fucked up, right?
Like, all of this shit, if I put money into any of this shit and it disappears, like, yeah, I'm going to fucking crack some jokes about it.
disappears like yeah i'm gonna fucking crack some jokes about it but i'm not actually gonna be like
upset because i didn't invest enough into any one of these things to fuck my life you know what i
mean you're not buying the tops you're not you're not like somebody's cousin who got told about
bro somebody's always gonna be the exit liquidity i mean somebody's always gonna buy see this see
this is the this is the that's the problem this is the problem this is the problem. This is the problem. That's the statement that actually
causes the problem.
The statement you just made right now is why is it?
Bro, it's the truth.
Somebody's always going to...
Some of you are talking
about the reality of things, whereas Saul
is talking about the utopia
and where we should be, but we're just not there.
I'm not talking about a utopia. I'm talking about basic ethical
things that actually happen in the real world
in places that are profitable.
Juice, get up here and educate these people.
Yeah, but look at where we are.
We're not in the real world.
Saul, I agree with you,
but the president is launching a meme coin out of nowhere.
See, I don't justify actions on people's shitty actions.
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you.
I agree with you, but
it's not like that.
I'm just
saying. Look, I grew up studying
hermetic philosophy, bro. In hermetic philosophy,
we don't cast our
curls around swine. Maybe I've been doing that too
much. I did it off on
Gromartix. I don't think you like
swine, though. So I think you guys can soak
in the concepts I'm trying to say every time I'm up here,
which is that we do this to ourselves.
We have nobody to blame but ourselves.
But these motherfuckers that are scamming us
are wrong. I can take full accountability,
but these people are still wrong.
And if I act like they're right or I try to suck them
off for a whitelist, I'm wrong, too.
You can suck them off to raise
your floor price, too.
I agree.
I agree. Juice, what's up, bro? too so you can suck them off to raise your floor price too i agree they should i agree with that
i agree i agree juice what's up bro whoa did fucking dijoni just slide in a sharia law
shill right there at the end yeah he did off with her arms straight up as i call as i call on juice
i just wanted to know how to start yeah i don't even know hundreds of thousands of dollars oh shit bitch xp update i'm gold tier
all right sorry i had to get that out nice uh congratulations uh welcome
i need 10k still i'm never gonna make platinum tier but i did make gold tier we did it boys
I'm never going to make platinum tier, but I did make gold tier.
We fucking did it, boys.
We fucking did it.
Juice, I don't know how this got started.
I don't know.
Fucking Saul's on another one of his fucking ayahuasca rants.
You fucking minimize my shit.
Don't minimize me like that, bro.
I'm being honest and genuine and authentic with you right now, and you're going to minimize
me to make yourself feel right, bro.
That's not okay.
I'm going to draw a line there in the sand for you, bro.
Don't overstep that one again, okay?
Appreciate you. I'm going to draw a line there in the sand for you, bro. Don't overstep that one again, okay? Appreciate you.
I'm going to roll over.
I've been listening to Ran, Crypto Ran, this guy from Crypto Banter.
And he was on Ayahuasca.
And he told that Ayahuasca told him that he don't drink Coca-Cola anymore.
And I'm not drinking Coca-Cola since 30 days.
And I feel free.
What the fuck is going on today, dude?
We've got, dude. There's something in the fucking air fucking air today dude i don't know what's going on yo kyle did you hear about boso boso
yeah yeah yeah we were actually just talking about it i just i heard you and i wanted to
get a word in edgewise i couldn't uh but um go ahead i think we're wildin today yeah you can talk about bosu or
racism in the south look i just don't understand how that happens i like i mean i don't either but
i've also never launched my own project right so like i don't know i like in my mind it's crazy
that you haven't already run this nft trait generator to make
sure that it works yeah the last update that he just put in basically said they ran into trouble
with their with their layering right so that's that's what the that's the issue they're trying
to solve oh maybe it was fiverr death they should have a real death like saw not like uh someone from fire fiber come on disjani ugandans
can do art too dude come on you know no i'll be honest maybe we should have just like you know
failed on the art reveal and all that maybe our floor price would be higher in canon you know i'm
just saying like the funny thing about this industry is you do what you say you're going to do, people just
disrespect you. That's the fucking crazy thing, bro.
That's actually a fair point.
Yeah, if a can of Sapiens were still
unrevealed, people would be wildly speculating
on them still.
Did you hear what they said?
People are saying,
enough with your revealed
days, just reveal it all tomorrow.
I'm like, no, that's the fun. Yeah, don just reveal it all tomorrow i'm like no that's the fun fun you
don't reveal it all like fucked up and then rejigger the art later or whatever like yeah
dude i don't give a fuck leave it unrevealed it's just i don't know dude it's just there's
something a little bit off-putting about me having to watch like fucking 30 minutes of this guy
talking into the front camera of a fucking iphone and then i can't even get my nft revealed i don't know just put it part of the story i mean don't tell people
oh we made an error or something just create something like the systems got hacked create
even more bigger speculation just just create it as part of the story of bosu like don't just
admit you fucked up no i'm with that with that. I'm with taking accountability.
The thing is, I wish that they would have taken the accountability yesterday.
That's the only thing that frustrates me.
And I'm not selling.
I'm still bullish on it.
Like, I still think the art's going to be lit and everything's going to be cool.
But like yesterday, when I'm going into the Discord to ask what's going on, and like half the day has already gone by, like, it's time.
It's time to take accountability then. It's time to be like time to be like hey guys this didn't work out everybody go about your
business stop you don't need to sit around waiting for this to reveal it's not going to reveal today
we're going to try to figure this out and you know we'll put out a synopsis of what all went
wrong tomorrow and then everybody can go about their day but instead everybody sat around getting
trolled by fucking like you know but the moon boys and team members in the Discord until fucking 940 last night.
I mean, if you're a European, it was the goddamn middle of the night before they finally said we're not going to reveal, you know?
It's just, I don't know, man.
Comms.
It's comms, right?
Like, so much of this space is just how you actually communicate things.
And they flopped on the comms yesterday.
Whatever, dude.
Hopefully they learned a lesson from it.
No, they flopped on the art reveal, and then they flopped on the comms.
It's like, look at the facts, bro.
They didn't do their job.
I feel you.
I feel you, Saul.
But look, if I have decided to invest in something, I'll give a lot of leeway on technical issues as long as you don't
fucking treat me like I'm a retard, right? But the second that you insult my intelligence and
have me sitting around for a full fucking day waiting for some shit, now you've disrespected
me. Now you've disrespected my time and my intelligence. And it's like, you know,
that frustrates me. Like, I'm willing to give a lot of leeway on a technical issue that you
didn't see coming.
Fine.
I can be patient.
But don't...
You know what?
It's got popular, right?
The generation of NFTs is because it's fucking easy to do.
Literally, idiot, you could do it with a YouTube video that's 45 minutes long and a few hours
of actual work.
Now, if you want to get to the high-end art part, yeah, there's a part you've got to get the layering
and people get super complex.
But still, ultimately, it's the most basic job
in software engineering.
If you can't fucking do it,
why are you even acting like you can't?
The person they hired to do this
should be fucking hung up to try in public.
And I think their comms definitely suck,
if I'm honest.
I have to say something regarding this. click right and and i think like their comms definitely suck if i'm honest like yeah i have
to say something um regarding this all right but we're going to loot is a g go ahead like
like they should hire someone like psychrom he did everything amazing well or just anybody that's
experienced right that you know would have run this fucking generator and made sure everything
was all good before it's time to go live you know finding out that your shit doesn't work when it's time to go
live is definitely not ideal yeah but the thing is we're all assuming we don't know exactly what
the problem is we don't know if it's if it's he just said in the discord that the problem was
layering of the of the traits and i've done i've done literally 40 collections for people jesus so i'm not assuming i'm giving you brass tacks on how
this works and like you do it weeks before mint you don't do this the day of mint unless you're
doing a free nft in may yesterday which motherfuckers do all the time and they get the generation proper
and they review within two or three days so like there's no excuse here they're giving a fuck ton
of money they're giving a fuck ton of attention. They're giving a fuck ton of attention.
They have a team.
There's no reason.
Like this is actually amateur shit.
So I'm sorry to like,
state,
state the facts again,
that like,
I'm just not stoked on the operators in this business right now.
And in the totality web three,
they all fucking basically suck.
Other than a very,
very small percentile of them.
Are you selling us all?
What's up,
let's go to hold on everybody.
Now Luke's been waiting patiently. All you fucking schiz us all what's up let's go to hold on everybody now luke's been waiting patiently all you fucking schizos what's up luke
how you feeling we're feeling um yeah yeah i'm kidding i was gonna say i agree with jesus because
i i haven't been through this personally like I haven't ever been part of a generation of the NFT.
I've never taken part in that.
So for me personally, it's like, I don't know.
But I would imagine that, obviously, like Saul's saying,
people with way less have done way more.
But also, I feel like throughout the mint process,
that seemed pretty funky.
I think there have been a couple of things process, like, that seemed pretty funky. Like, they've done, I think there have been a couple things with Final Bossu that seemed pretty funky.
And then it kind of seems like it's orchestrated.
I wouldn't say that they'd be lying, you know, and this is orchestrated.
But, like, I feel like it's all going to work out.
So, you know, whatevs.
But, I mean, back to what Saul was saying.
And then, you know, like, and then, you know, I think it it uh i don't know if it was idiot or kenny a second ago because sorry i was doing something who said that i you know i'm
i'm gonna be lenient with my investment when it comes to like technical difficulties like that's
back to the thing where it's literally like like these are hard to call investments for sure
but like exactly what saul was saying about you know how there aren't real businesses here and
then you know what was saying what was being said before saul said that about saying about, you know, how there aren't real businesses here. And then, you know, what was saying, what was being said before Saul said that about how there's, you know,
no proof of revenue, there might not even be revenue. And then like, when people do do something
in web two and get revenue, no one gives a flying fuck. Like, I don't know, we, I was just gonna
say that we've said that plenty of times in every single space. Like, I swear, every time we start
a space, we start talking about that. And then it just makes me super bearish on everything.
Cause I'm like, who the fuck has real revenue? Like, look at everything that's being built on
abstract and tell me how many regular consumers are going to go flying fuck about that. Now
there's going to be revenue outside of the space for it. And I can get super fucking bearish. So,
I mean, that being said, if anyone is, you know, deep into things that are real revenue and
building outside of these small niches of
people and you know speculation and trying to make profit and make life-changing money from
nothing from people who have you know little to no track record of doing anything big and i'm not
saying that's abstract or i know that there are people who have done things but just in general
that's definitely something i want to do i don't really know that i had things, but just in general, um, that's definitely something I want to do. I don't really know that I had a point, but just like to double down on that point at the end of
where it got a little messy, like Saul's completely right, but it's literally like,
like I agree with you. I could change my tone for sure. You know, but it's like, I've said it
like a thousand times over the last three years. You're right to be frustrated, but it's like,
look at where we are and you can't like, like, scream these virtues and, like, where we should be
and then look around where we are.
It's like asking if anyone wants tea and you're in the middle of the purge.
Yeah, at the end of the day, nobody really gives a shit.
Well, you know, but actually, that's...
You don't give a shit.
Well, that's just for now, though.
No, I do, but I'm just saying, like, it doesn't matter.
The people that are scamming are the only people that are really winning in the space.
The people that are grifty, that are fucking, that are doing everything to rob motherfuckers,
those are the only ones that are financially, like, successful.
Well, if I would say those are the only ones.
It's majority of the fucking ones.
For people to build something real that is successful is much more rare than people that fucking just scam and fuck off with the bag.
That's the thing.
Like, you can't say that, like, Pudgy Penguins hasn't been successful or that fucking Bored Ape Yacht Club has not been successful.
Like, you can name a few outliers, but those outliers are, they are few and far between.
That's just how it is.
That's how it is with anything.
That's how it is launching an IP outside of Web 3.2. I don't know, man. It's just, you know, place your bets and fucking
lay back and just watch it unfold. You know, raise the bar. Look, we're community members,
right? Like we're all, we're all here every day. Like whether we buy shit or not, we stand up for
things we like, we, we buy things we think we're going to make this make money on. But I think
we need to like hold operators to a higher're going to make money on, but I think we need to hold
operators to a higher standard. That's
basically the point I'm trying to make.
If we as communities actually
hold people to a higher standard...
That's what I'm saying.
Let me finish, please.
The masses won't do it because they
have an investment.
They have money in it.
I'll land the plane real fast.
Land that bitch.
I just want to move on. The minute Can I finish it only halfway through my point and I'll fucking land the plane real fast so you can save the train. Land that bitch. Thank you.
No, because I just want to move on.
Like, this conversation is getting old. The minute that we start holding these people accountable, when they fuck up, they will stop fucking up.
If we stop giving them their money when they fuck up, they'll stop it.
Like, literally, that's how you...
I hear what you're saying, Saul, but here's the problem.
I hear what you're saying, Saul, but here's the problem.
I don't think it's...
Here's the problem.
Here's the problem, is that we're not, okay, if I'm a fan of Bosu,
I'm not just a fan of their dev.
I'm a fan of their IP.
I'm a fan of their community.
I'm a fan of, like, a bunch of the team members that are just mods
that don't have anything to do with the technical side, right?
So, like, who am I going to hold accountable?
Like, first of all, the dev doesn't even I've never even talked to a dad.
You know, like you got to hold Kevin accountable. He's a leader of the team.
Yeah. But what the fuck does he care? Like, OK, I was in the discord yesterday asking questions and shit like he's not even responding to me.
Bro doesn't even follow me. You know what I mean?
Like, that's what I'm saying. There we go. There's your there's your sauce that we're missing right there.
there we go there there's your there's your sauce that we're missing right there it's like
if walmart jacks up the price on something that that pisses me off or the grocery store doesn't
stock the thing that i showed up today to buy because they didn't bother to stock their shelves
like what who who am i holding accountable like there's nobody nobody gives a fuck what my opinion
you're holding the manager accountable and you go you go make a fucking customer service complaint
they normally send you coupons yeah and he's paying 16 an hour and he doesn't give a fuck what you have to say so you can order
it off amazon for my second day yeah i wonder that's a good question yeah like maybe we can
get coupons from these motherfuckers like that would actually make me happier like they were
actually like you know what i'm sorry we're gonna give you guys all some coupons like all i'm saying
is as a as a as an nft holder right like your options are basically
stick it out while complaining or just being a moon boy or sell and fuck off you know like
there's not a lot of options there's not like a fucking or just there's not like a fucking
human resources department right you know what i'm saying so like when you stay on the sidelines
then you lose out no i don't i'm actually look i'm a profit So like, when you stay on the sidelines, then you lose out. No, I don't.
I'm a profit.
I'm profitable because I stay on the sidelines straight up.
Like I'm more profitable up at dev work and simple trades than most people I
talk to in this industry.
I don't brag about it.
I don't put my P and L's on the timeline.
And that's based on the fact that I don't go in on most stupid shit.
Like really the dumbest shit that there's two stupid things i bought in my
career here one was inks the other was dead dad coin i bought dead dad coin because my friend was
pumping it to me i was just trying to support the homie support the dead dads out there
ink i was sold by some clown who told me it was going to go to the moon and i bought his
shit like so and end of story is like most people like aren't okay with being silent. I'm quite okay with it
I can still be silent have a fucking opinion though
Like like people in the surf industry. They take pictures of the beach
They there's models on the beach like not everybody's a surfer in the surf industry, but everybody enjoys the surf industry
I don't have to buy enough teams to be part of this fucking community. That's not true. Yeah, that's true
There's a lot of different ways to participate in web 3. Yeah, that's true yeah that's true there's a lot of different ways to participate in web 3 yeah that's definitely true i'm not talking about this no more everybody shut up they don't care
you know i look they want things to go right too it's not i knew that was coming i saw bro
reach for the button i saw him lean forward i was like here comes the mute i'm tired of this subject
i don't give a fuck If somebody else goes solve world peace
in NFTs and crypto.
Yeah, I mean, look,
it's a fun subject to mull on for a little bit,
but ultimately, like, dude,
people have been talking this subject in circles
since the fucking beginning of Twitter Spaces.
What is the next abstract game for today?
Have anyone tried it out yet?
Yeah, it's a dumb fucking game.
I got cooked on the first one, dude.
I clearly have no business
looking at charts even i had i had a 50x and i have been at 44 and i wanted to cash out and
no he rocked me i i couldn't take and sell it. I ended up with
$2,000.
Well, let's fucking go.
Did you see what's his name posted?
What are you talking about?
Your buddy.
No, I didn't.
Because if he did, he's about to
fucking weave like seven gens.
No, no didn't. What did he post about creeps? Because if he did, he's about to fucking weef like seven gens. No, no.
He said for crypto to go mainstream, we need fewer chains and more apps.
Yeah, I agree with that.
Well, I don't know about fewer chains.
I don't really give a fuck about how many chains.
It's whatever.
I don't really care if liquidity is concentrated or spread out.
What I care about is do people give a fuck?
Is the app interesting, entertaining entertaining or useful in some way you know and yeah we definitely need
we need real we need real deca corns to actually go mainstream like we need we need real companies
that are making 10 to 20 billion dollars individually not like 20 billion dollar market
caps with 5 million in liquidity i'm talking talking like literally like $20 billion business.
If we get five of those out of all the pile of apps that are out here,
like we'll make it.
Like when Borg Ape was proved to be a Decacorn,
like that's when we started making it.
Everybody talked about Borg Ape.
It's all over the news.
Your mom heard about it.
Your dad heard about it.
People came to the industry to spend money.
They will come to spend money,
but they want to see products that are growing like these products aren't growing they're basically
pumping dumping and then sitting on money kenny creeps are coming baby creeps are coming baby
maybe yeah there are too much apps uh i like 50 crypto sorry kenny how the fuck do you play this
next game what is this game?
What's it called?
You pick a medium number, right?
So I'm probably going to do 500 just because everybody picks a number, okay?
There's 9,000 people playing, 9,000 people pick a number.
Tomorrow it resolves.
The average median of all the numbers put together,
if you are at or below that number, you earn points.
If you're above that number, you earn zero points.
But you get 15 attempts.
What do you mean?
What?
What did you say?
It says I get 15 attempts.
Well, you can change your number if you want to is basically what it means.
So you just want to be as close to the number without going over as possible?
The best outcome is that you pick 500
and tomorrow the outcome is 500, you get 500 points.
If you pick 400 and the average outcome is 500,
you get 400 out of the 500 points.
So you want to try and get as close to the average.
But if you pick 501, you don't get nothing.
You want to get as close to the average median as you can.
If you go over that number, you get zero points.
Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, but... average median as you can if you go over that number you get zero points oh wow okay yeah but can one of these motherfucking web3 companies make a game that's actually fun
for fuck's sake okay can i just have a good game jesus christ pick the fucking guess the number
what is this a fucking carnival jesus i but like, it shows zero out of 15 attempts.
Like, so I only picked the number once.
You can change your number up to 15 times before tomorrow.
Like, you can lock in a number right now,
and if two hours from now you're like,
you know what, let me lower it a little bit,
you can go lower it.
And you can do that up to 15 times,
and on the 15th it locks it in,
is what I'm assuming.
I'm just going gonna pick the most
dj number which is 420. i think the smartest thing is to do is pick 20 well if the average
no 420 okay yeah like i think the bet like it's a lot of averages you pick in the middle you know
is you're probably your best bet because there will be people safe safe playing it safely
picking 100 points and then there will be people who are trying to max and they'll go 800, 900.
Who knows?
You know, like, why'd you just comment?
And how about this roach racing game?
But the roaches have tits juice.
Get back on stage.
You're the only one that's going to be allowed to talk.
Oh, juice left the space.
Yeah, I've lost it, dude.
I've lost my fucking mind here today.
Have you seen the GTA trailer?
GTA trailer?
I didn't see the newest one. I heard someone
talking about it.
It's kind of dumb.
Is it really coming out?
It's coming out next year.
The GTA trailer, the second one's coming but yeah it'll
probably come out in 2029 i heard i heard i heard just last week may 26 this month
no next year 2026 yeah they moved it so they could add crypto into it yeah you know what's
gonna piss me the fuck off is they're gonna do the same thing they did with the last one they're
gonna finally launch this game and then the very next year they're going to launch a whole new set of consoles.
And then I'm going to have to rebuy the same dumbass game on a new console, which I never did.
This is exactly why I missed most of this last GTA game.
Because I downloaded this game on PlayStation 3, and then the next year they fucking dropped a new console.
And I was like, I'm not buying this game again dude like
that the the hopefully they drop a whole entire marketplace like nft marketplace where you own
your character you can design it you can own all the all and all the stuff hopefully they
do something like that i should just get a gaming pc finally i should just evolve into my final
sweaty form that's what i should do yeah dude, dude, fucking PC master race, dude.
I won't respect you as much, but I will respect it.
No doubt.
I think it comes with a next video.
What are you, Saul?
I'm doing Mac head, bro.
I got a fucking Mac studio right here.
And it's faster than your PC.
And it's faster than your PC and more secure.
It works better.
I doubt it.
No, it is.
It's just a better
piece of hardware than your pc i don't care you can't build you can't build a pc as good as my
studio bro no okay i have let's get in my god damn sol now he's a pc specialist no i'm not a pc
specialist i'm a mac guy and i'll tell you my fucking mac shit's on your pc i don't care how
big a pc you built my mac shit's on it bro out the box if i if you get a nice mac though
does all the like games and shit that you would like run on a gaming pc can you bet are you
limited at all you can build a vm and run run pc games yeah totally okay yeah because i i would
actually like to keep yeah i would actually like to get a mac instead of a gaming pc but i always
worry about like you know will i be able to do all the shit that i want to do on a mac instead of a gaming pc but i always worry about like you know will i be able
to do all the shit that i want to do on a mac because you didn't used to be able to but like
that was fucking like two decades ago i'm pretty sure i have a pretty beast pc right here and i
i rarely use it i only use it when there's like a specific thing i have to do that only can be
done on a pc which is very rare nowadays like like nowadays that's actually like a very rare
occurrence where like i need to run an exe file you know like and that's pretty much whenever that's the only time i turn this
i don't turn on a game like i don't really game a bunch but i you know i do render a lot and i say
like like my mac renders way better than my pc my pc is pretty beast dude i wish yg would just
come up here he goes more talk about dot dot dot checks notes dot dot dot scammers are bad.
And very short.
I think I'm going 700.
I'm going high.
I'm either going to get zero points or I'm going to fucking bring it home for the win.
Yeah, dude, we're going fucking high.
We're going over the median potential point score here.
I will do 500 because I believe most of the people will do 500.
It'll probably be like, dude, if they really wanted to piss everybody off,
they could set it at like 20, you know?
And then like literally everybody gets zero points on this.
Yeah, but you would need mindshare, right?
I thought it's a number which all people pick and the median of it oh it's a median of all
okay sorry i was reading the thing when we were talking about this earlier i was looking at the
chat live and everybody was saying 420 420. okay wheels is saying that macs aren't really the best
for peace for for for gaming specifically,
just because there is probably some,
some issues.
Yeah.
A Mac fucking studio.
Yeah.
You can do anything with it,
dude.
I mean,
I have way more Ram,
way more GPUs,
like way more processing power than most.
I very,
very few people have a PC more beast than my studio,
bro.
Like you have to spend tens of thousands of dollars to get a PC more beast than my Mac studio.
What are you creating in your studio?
Well, I mainly train models with it currently.
That's why I spent the money on it is to be able to train models and have, like, the necessary processing power to do some machine learning tasks and stuff.
But, I mean, I generally like it because it works out the box.
It runs on Unix.
It works with Linux.
I don't have to do a bunch of fucking weird tweaking and configurations and i'm not a hardware guy so
it's way better for me like i don't need to geek out and buy like tiny little pieces of hardware
for my shit like it just works uh kenny are you there are you with us
this mother gonna check that give us some markets
yeah no I mean not
necessarily like I just want to know what's going on
in memes
the fucking Goblin Town game dude
yeah
let's go I haven't actually seen this yeah I'm gonna watch you
do this while we talk about memes
yeah
bro this game if you watch AJ play
this the whole point is to
hit these boxes right here.
Yeah.
It's more so a flying game.
Watch.
So you hit this box and you got to launch up.
And that's how you quickly get up to the next level.
And then you got to just like keep going.
Why don't you just keep doing that?
But, well, because you because you gotta be able to oh
where am i going you're where am i going you are so right now
all right yeah what are we what are we buying here kenny
uh i mean the margin's kind of flat right now what happened to house coin i don't think you
see you tweeting about that shit it's down what'd you say house i actually bought more
so did you yeah bought more this morning all right i had a lot of talk yesterday about how
elon tweeted about gork changed his pfp and shit and it barely even fucking moved the needle
yeah no i mean well that's because it was a bundled rug you know like that thing's going
to zero what's it at like 33 mil right now um you know every time elon tweeted about it it had a
pump and devs were using volume bots to pump the chart on his tweets to get everybody to fumble in
and then you can see if you look at dev transactions,
they're selling into every pump.
Bundled supply, they've just been offloading it,
and it's sitting at 33 mil right now.
I mean, it's still relatively, you know, from launch, it's still 33 mil.
So how much do you have to pay Doge Designer to get Elon Musk to change his PFP?
That's like a real question.
Seriously, yeah. Kennyny what about the uh the trump uh so the the rumors of this truth social coin
coming i mean they're all rumors for the most part until he put something out you know what
what was the driver for that like did he say he's putting one out i don't know like they were they were entertaining
the idea of launching a coin um whether it was a meme or something else i don't exactly know
the details of it but uh yeah there was talks about it
huh okay well you don't know what are you doing over there you don't sound like you're
too prepared even if we were gonna ask you for a market i You don't sound like you're too prepared, even if we were going to ask you for a market update.
I've just been listening to you guys talk about whatever.
Yeah, you'll keep listening to me talk about whatever, too, bitch.
You're putting too much pressure on him, cheese.
I'm not.
I've got to find a way to unfuck my MacBook.
Those are flat.
I mean, I don't know what to tell you.
Cheese, is that game web-based? in web browser. Yeah, no, it's a epic in steam
Yeah, I mean it's oh you're fucking over here playing a video game and asking me to keep the show rolling
Yeah, I should be used to that by now
Swept like 60 of them
There's supposed to be some Web 3 mechanics inside of Goblin Town's game,
but nobody knows what they are.
They're supposed to be announcing something.
But yeah, I mean, this has been long rumored,
so seeing people pick some up is not out of the ordinary.
They just haven't released that oh fuck i flew over the
whole thing uh no i mean brother the game is fun uh i'm just over here fucking off trying to fly
too much um but the game the game is really release a game so quickly i don't get that how
do they release the game so quickly and the creeps have been working on something for so long
like goblin town's a couple years old now.
And also it's just a driving game.
There's no like, it's not a super complex game.
It's a driving game with screaming, bro.
Come on.
Yeah.
I mean, don't get me wrong.
It looks cool.
Like it's, it looks visually, it is cool and it does look fun, but it's not like a game that has like complicated
mechanics or anything like you see the big things floating in the sky like the big goblin
i'm gonna do an abstract live stream where i go to a coffee shop and play the game and scream
also on the creeps game thing i'm pretty sure that i am fairly sure that both games are actually ready and that they are
basically waiting they're what's holding that up is they're them being confident enough to launch
the token into the market not the game but that's just my opinion i mean i don't know you know i'm
not it's not like i'm privy to any extra information
uh stone said he made it all the way to the top of this and he fell off at the very top happened
to jake dude jake should have been fucking telling us how i think i think jake sold his creeps and
moved the fuck on did he really yeah that's what i cool cool plus Jake? Jake, the elite gamer.
The one that made it to the top of
fucking Pudgy Penguin Mountain, bruh.
Oh, I will make a candle
for him and for every
phone group.
We've got a special guest on stage.
Everybody shut the fuck up.
Yo, YG.
Finally,
YG has come back to reality check weren't you just here like two days ago
you guys are bombing me the fuck out today so i'm here to bring positive vibes to your space
ask me about any project that you
own, and I'll tell you exactly how
it's going to do. I got one day only.
I need to bring positive vibes as goddamn Tesla
that the Creeps team still owes him.
Final Bosu. Final Bosu.
Final Bosu is going, ladies and gentlemen,
to the fucking
moon. If you own a
final Bosu, you are going to be rich
beyond your wildest fucking dreams.
I also want to tell you something else while I'm up here.
Dijani, you're bringing the heat today, buddy, and I like it.
I like everything that's happening today with Dijani.
You keep this Dijani, and I'm going to be here way more often.
Any other project you guys want to talk about?
Any other project you guys want to talk about?
Ooh, ooh, bearish.
Ooh, ooh, Bears.
Oh, listen, listen.
I know I said some things about bearish the other day.
I had a chance to do some research for 24 straight hours.
Bearish?
I'm bullish, baby.
I'm bullish.
Saturn.
You know the moon?
This is going to fucking Saturn.
Bears are where it's at.
When people are thinking of projects to start, the first thing
they think of, bears.
That's what the people want. That's what they're giving.
So the cliche
is what you're saying.
No, no, no, no. Bears.
Bears are the best.
Okay, can of sapiens.
Homo sapiens, look.
Some people don't
think that that's cool. Some people aren't into it i say
let people be who they want to be okay they want to be homo sapiens what love is love brother
yeah homo sapiens whatever collections whatever you want to do they're going to the moon as well
homos to the moon
uh what about ken about Kenny's house coin
okay I gotta dig deep
homos to the moon is quote of the day
by the way
basically what I've learned
is anything Kenny touches
either goes to the moon
or has a baby
so what I'm going to say is,
Kenny's coins to Venus.
That was pretty good.
Oh, my God.
You guys were bumming me out today.
We need some energy for this shit.
We had some fun this morning.
We had some fun in the Discord this morning.
Speaking of which, we haven't even talked about the fact that they took the creep out of the free creep box.
Oh, that's about why it came up.
Yeah, what about that? What about that, YG? What about that?
Here's the other thing. There's too many creeps going out. Too many people are getting creeps for free.
Okay, look, I'm going to say something negative here.
Harry, give it back.
You don't deserve that.
You know it.
You fud, and you fud, and you fud, and then you get a free creep,
and then you're like, shit, now I can't fud anymore.
I like fudding Harry that blocked me.
I like that Harry better.
Give the creep back to someone who deserves it,
like Reptar, who only got two creeps.
He needed three.
Take the creeps out.
You guys remember what I said to A. Cole the other day and how that went, right?
I think I deserve it.
I'll never forget, buddy.
I'll never forget.
YG, I landed on a creep and then got fucking rugged by the team saying that I, you know, didn't hit a creep.
I talked to the team and they said, you were going to get your creep eventually.
Also, at the same time, they're going to do Luminomics, Tesla, Adati's 101.
All the stuff's happening at the same time.
It's just in a bundle together, they don't want anyone to get jealous about getting their thing first.
So you're going to get your creep.
Kyle's going to get his one cent.
Everybody's going to get everything that they deserve.
I miss Luminati.
Thank you, YG, for the kind words.
The only thing which I would like to have a real bunny baller,
and that's my goal for the next year.
Okay, well, let me just talk to some people i think
we can make this happen jolly dinger was trying to get rid of his stuff i heard a while ago
he had some bunny ballas let me talk to him see what's going on some cheap prices if it's possible
well no that's the problem is everybody wants creeps for 30 30 cents? Bro, I will never sell my creeps.
That's why our floor price will never go up.
I will never sell my creeps.
It's like a saver than in a graveyard.
I'm not gonna fud last for changing this creepy FB to a quirkies either.
I'm not gonna do it. You know why?
Quirkies are going to the fucking stratosphere.
Quirkies forever.
You regret not buying penguins ever creeps, cheese.
Yeah, send me Quirkies.
I have six Quirkies and I bought the absolute bottom at 0.76.
Yo, if anyone ever wants to get into Quirkies, Poppy will hook you up.
I think I messaged Kenny the other day.
You just got to get in the DMs with him and he'll he'll set you up like we're uh we're well aware of poppy's uh
special deliveries of uh quirkies in the dms he comes like i had a one-on-one call with him one
hour it was the craziest call i had with an NFT marketing guy or whatever.
It was really amazing.
I had to buy three Quirkies after that.
Yeah, Poppy's a good guy.
Yeah, really good.
Somebody just came on stage.
Who was that?
Yeah, I like Poppy a lot.
He is a good guy.
It's too bad the Quirkies IP is so fucking gay.
Oh, did I say... Am I off mute?
Whoops.
I'm just kidding.
I'm just kidding.
Everybody has their own taste.
You're not joking, bro. You're not joking.
Dude, my thing is...
I will say this. I like Poppy a lot.
I like that community a lot.
I just, you know, everybody has their own artistic
taste. Yeah, and I agree with you, and I own four you know, everybody has their own artistic taste.
Yeah, and I agree with you, and I own four of them, dude.
What the fuck am I doing?
But I will say that, like, the IP might be, you know, the IP might be, like, cool in some ways, but to go to surf and skate, I just, dude, everyone thinks surfers are chill.
Surfers are the biggest fucking asshole you'll ever meet, dude.
They're douchebag.
Surfers would rip that shit apart the moment that they saw that on his shirt.
Like, maybe, like, that's for kooks that are fucking on vacation.
Like, no real surfer's gonna want a quirky on anything, you know?
But maybe skaters.
But, like, and then for the kids market, yeah.
And they've said that before.
That's more for kids.
But whenever I hear them say surf, skate, I just think about, like, all the times I've been at a skate park or a new surf spot.
And they're fucking hardcore dickheads. dude it's 2025 i'm sure there's plenty of skaters out there with pronouns in their bio they'll fucking like that shit up dude hey kyle you know i i like the
cork guitar i do too i'm just i'm just fucking kidding. I've been being a fucking silly dickhead all morning. Like, I feel like so many people can't tell when I'm kidding
sometimes. Like, I don't know, dude. They're not putting it on merch. I don't think, I
don't think, you know. I think they were always talking about doing, I mean, look, call it
fashion if you want to or whatever, but I think they were always talking about being like a surf, skate, lifestyle brand,
drinks, shit like that, you know?
Yeah.
Branding's everything, honestly.
Who all came up?
Wheels came up. Wheels, by the
way, I saw you like
my fucking no kidding or
something reply to Bosu, and that actually
made me delete it. I was like, oh, dude, Wheels is
liking my comment. I'm fudding too hard. too hard good indicator yeah i like me for fun you know
wheels wrote something on my page i cracked up i forgot what it was it was some insulting thing
but it was funny yeah yeah i mean it's just that's a that's a big fumble but you know they're uh
they're pumping it seems like that's right um but uh know, they're, they're pumping. It seems like, but yeah, no,
I've just been trying to get back into me coins a little bit.
See if there's anything popping up there.
I've had some success, but kind of boring out there right now.
What have you had success with? What's the,
what meme coin have you been in?
My niece came over for dinner Sunday night.
She started saying that Italian brain rot stuff. And I was like, all right,
bought some of that. That did well. And then I saw for dinner Sunday night. She started saying that Italian brain rot stuff. And I was like, all right, bought some of that.
That did well.
And then I saw your mom last night.
I thought it was funny.
So I jumped in the LP there.
He's seen your mom last night, Cole?
This is funny, right?
I know it's not.
No returns on that.
No revenue there.
So sorry about that.
No, it's a classic.
No, your mom's a classic. That's like fart coin. Like, I'll about that no it's a classic no your mom's a classic
that's like fart coin like i'll back that because that's a classic joke like you know like we back
classic shit that works like i don't know i'd be more bullish on a gumby token because i know like
like jeff bezos probably grew up on gumby but like might go all in on it like on that type of thought
thought process like i don't think we we uh beckon to the older older crowd enough i think like you know that's why trump token did so well it was beckoned to the older crowd enough. I think that's why Trump token
did so well. It was beckoning to 80-year-old
people.
Give the 60, 70, 80-year-olds a shot
to spend these 401ks. They want to
gamble too, bro.
Let's hollow out grandma's 401k,
dude. That is what this space is best
fucking set up to do. I agree.
Now you're getting it. But you know what? If they took
their grandma's 401k they might
actually do good business because like she would require it she'd want to see the paperwork she'd
be like i'm not giving you this money unless i see something you know like grandma's done wheels
what else did you get in uh that was it i tell you well there was uh was there one more i i mean
there's two i did like i made somebody on Gorg.
But I'm out of that now.
I missed the big pumps after Elon.
I was out before Elon started doing all that.
Yeah.
Are you fucking around on Abstract, any?
Not much.
I've got my on-chain hero still.
I've got my ring still. But, you know, it's like Scarlett Cook.
I'm in that chat active in there in the ring bearers chat
there's a lot of good guys in there um but uh no no not so much it's all just gambling stuff i don't
i don't know sports but you know yeah i'm seeing a lot of tweets uh seeing sygar tweet i've seen
uh mason tweet finn tweet about how people are like saying without the gamble fi abstract is dead uh there's
nothing else solid over there and i mean you know there's what 77 bit and cambria those are like
actual games you know but yeah i mean overall i think that's a fair point yeah he picked that a
good one about uh this coin flip one. He was really going at that.
I know Finn had some responses there, too,
and he said he's reached out to the team.
The koala one, right?
Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, that, I mean, it's all just straight 100%, 50-50,
you know, a lot of this.
Someone was mad that they lost how much in five minutes?
I'm not mad. I
I'm self-responsible. I'm just saying that, uh, I lost in five minutes. Okay. Yeah, I feel you.
I wish Chris would have dropped this gambling thing on the abstract chain.
Yeah, I still, I still genuinely think that like, they were like were like oh we need to do something to keep the
community busy and they literally squatted and put their hand under their asshole and shit this out
like i think this is that's what this is dude like which i'm fine with they're building it as we go
along and it's just basically to keep us all busy and i'm fine with it. Click buttons, maybe win prizes, you know, uh, gamify the DMT
thing. I mean, I don't know, man. It's just, I don't know. The fact that this launched and
didn't have referral codes or wallet delegation or several other things, it just makes me feel
like they're kind of just, they're building it as they go. You know, it's like a soft launch
and they're just building it as they go. Whatever. I'm just going to, you know, I'm not going to put
any more money in it until, you know, it feels a little more polished, but I'm still going to do
the free spins, you know, and I hope they get me some referral codes at some point so I can go and
fucking yell about it to everybody else and try to get other people to lose money.
But until then, you know, I'm just laid back. I'm just laid back i'm just chilling i'm just look i'm waiting for creeps party and creeps
clash that's what i'm still waiting for and i'm not in a hurry you know i've held these assets
for three years uh when the market's primed for some gaming coins they'll launch that shit and
we'll all be celebrating and in the meantime i'm just gonna fucking hang in there dude just hanging in there
did you say creeps party i thought it was pudgy party and pudgy class
what are you thinking about doing that like that i don't know you can that sugar town has a
playground like so it doesn't matter i mean anybody can name whatever the they want uh it does feel like
certain certain words become so memetic in every nft ecosystem all the so you remember when we were
like talking about portal and then all of a sudden every single nft ecosystem started posting like
pictures with a portal in it and we were like oh my god dude they've got partners they've partnered
with everybody dude we're gonna're going to own the whole fucking
Ethereum blockchain, dude.
Yeah.
Long lost it at first.
What?
Nah, I think goons did it first.
Oh my god.
Did we ever get a reason
as to why the creeps was taken out of the box?
Because too many people won creeps, dude.
That's dumb.
Too many people were winning creeps.
That's not true.
That's fake.
I don't know.
Vel was in the Discord this morning saying that they're going to basically be adding
and taking out certain things however often they want.
He even said there would be partnered nfts in there at various times so i would be like look right now i think everybody used their spins already
anyway and when i get my spins back i'm gonna try to hold off from using them next week and hope
that they put something else interesting well it's not true like troy i seen troy tweet this
morning that like hey when's the box coming back oh Oh yeah. But Troy literally like Troy was like out.
I remember him tweeting that he was like, uh, on vacation away from his ledger when this
whole thing initially went live.
So yeah, there's definitely going to be exceptions to what I just said, but I think most people
probably, I don't know.
I think most people probably aped all their spins before they even took the fucking one
penny prize out of the thing.
I know I did, you know? you know yeah yeah i don't know it's just uh yeah it's just interesting to
see um what the fuck they're doing um yeah i don't i don't uh yeah i don't get it uh but
there's just so many moving parts it's it it's not moving parts bro it's it's a
fucking gamble five website uh i i don't know what they're not to that just saying creeps in general
two games the tokens the the gambling the some people think they're trying to do too much um i
hear that in the background so you know um and then you you have
other brands that are that are you know just sticking to a certain core thing so i mean it
it just um it is what it is i guess we'll see what the fuck uh what comes about throughout the week
no way dude is this the real bosu kev what oh it is this is the real pose you can yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah i've been i've been
man like yeah i'm glad he's here uh what's up kev dude we've been dude i have tried to get you on
this space many times but we just never quite connected dude how you doing hey what's up
i heard you guys you heard you guys trash talking. I thought I'm coming.
I'm trash talking.
Saul, he's coming for your ass. I'm trash talking.
I'll tell you why, bro.
You picked the wrong dev if you're having problems like this this late in the game, man.
Why are the generation problems?
You got a lot of people betting on you, man.
It's not that cool to let that happen.
I understand.
And I advertise with it.
I was just joking about the i know i know like i said
before i predicated i have fuck with kev that's why like i said what i said is because like
i'm always gonna keep it honest with the people i respect i respect you i think you should i think
you should definitely address this on the one time that we get kevin on the space that we have sol
honestly i'm gonna go full i didn't even hear hear anything by the way i literally just made a joke so no yeah we
talked about bosu a lot this morning because a lot of us are in it i've got three of them myself
i actually managed to hit two mint phases luckily i got i even got the crazy first come first serve
with like the 1600 i clicked them buttons fast as fuck um but yeah you know we were all we were
all excited yesterday for the reveal
and then it just, you know, it didn't happen. And I was just trying to make the point earlier
that like, I think a lot of people are willing to give a lot of good faith based on, you know,
being in love with the IP, being in love with team members and shit, you know, being in love
with the community. Uh, I just think people get a little frustrated uh when it feels like
their time and their intelligence isn't being respected and i think there was a little bit of
that yesterday but i think overall you can look at the price action and i think people are just
like you know they're still on board you know people people still want to see this succeed
i appreciate that man and uh yeah happy to to jump on it chat a bit the um what what are the technical issues within the reveal because like you guys are doing this
in like five stages so uh i guess just you know trying to is it more so the reveal or is it the
traits it's uh it's it's more of a layering issue so maybe for a bit of context, right? Because I was just making an update about it in Discord,
and I guess there's a lot of learning lessons in all directions.
I think we've done a lot right, and there's things that we could have
definitely done a lot better, and we learn from them, improve them.
I think communication is one of them, right?
And being transparent even more.
I've always felt like I'm transparent,
but I feel like inner community,
especially writing,
like usually on spaces,
I'm very comfortable in talking.
And so that's easy for me,
but definitely writing
and making sure the community
is in the loop somewhere.
I didn't want to bother
the community with stuff.
And, you know,
like when we ran across the issues,
maybe for context, like I think in generally, yeah, we ran across the issues, maybe for context, I think generally,
yeah, if you look at it from a business perspective, you should do this, you should do that.
I think we try to make decisions as best as possible for the survival of the organization,
the company, the community, to keep excitement up, to balance marketing, to balance product,
and balance all of these things together
so they turn into success.
And then you try to make decisions based on all the data
and the elements that you have.
And yeah, one of the things we were still improving on
is the collection.
Some of the things we're not fully satisfied with.
And yeah, just trying to upgrade it.
I think art in general is in a way never finished.
You could say once it's fully generated, ready to be uploaded, etc.,
it's done, you can do it, right?
But we're simply not at that stage yet.
And then we ran into some layering issues due to the process
that we're using of creating this thing.
And I think we've probably created, and it's all for you to judge later on,
but one of the most complex collections in terms of layering, clothing, angle,
and all of those things that just causes problems.
It's a combination of project management, of know thinking that we've planned way way too much
time for it already but um you know in reality just not just not making it in time and so i think um
you know we we've learned a lot from this process uh you know we always wish we could do things
better but we learn and we improve um yeah and yeah my advice like like long term i've generated
a lot of collections is always
like generate before you announce.
That's like the key.
I think kind of like the key to learn here is like, like a lot of people announce before
they finish something.
And the teams I see do the best work over the course of years are the people that like
basically keep the mystery box whole and they announce when they're done with it.
Right.
Like, and that's just like an easy solve in tech to like always be ahead of the game and then you have a way better strategy on like the actual announcement
itself because you're looking at the finished product right you know what you're talking about
you know what you're selling um that's like my only piece of advice man is like if you can handle
those types of things then the comms become easier in general right so like one one problem predicates
the next right yeah i 100 agree and that's agree. That's a big learning lesson there.
Even if you think you have enough time,
you never know, you get hit by a bus
and stuff just happens.
There's just so many obstacles that sometimes get in your way.
And we're just not willing to
settle for anything less
than fully fulfilling that vision.
I think in two years' time from now,
if we look back,
people will remember if the collection was on par
and what we were expecting.
And so we want to keep pushing for that.
But yeah, 100%, I think.
When I put out the announcement today as well,
the team was like, should we give a hard date?
I was like, no, we're not doing that.
Let's just finalize this for us.
Yeah, a hard date will screw you.
Yeah, let's finalize, but we're close. screw you. Yeah, let's finalize.
But we're close.
We're close.
That I would say.
We're finalizing.
Get it done as soon as possible and get started.
Would it potentially run through a weekend?
Like even if it did?
If you were like, say tomorrow, you're like, all right, tonight,
you're like, we got this shit locked in.
We're dialed in.
We're going to drop even through the weekend.
Like does that matter to you guys?
Working through the weekends and doing reveals?
Well, work-wise,
no. You could argue market
and things like that, but no. Absolutely not.
I think
in terms of team working and hours,
the team has been
working incredibly hard just these last
weeks.
Kevin, are you from Redlands?
Yeah, I am.
But I live in Spain.
I live in Iconera.
Kevin, I can imagine
you guys don't want to
rush the project at this final stage.
If there's things you need to clean up, you need to
clean up. And I always say I don't envy
founders because it's a tough gig
when you have so much expectations.
Obviously, you guys, probably one of the most if not the most hype projects to come out on abstract
a lot of expectations a lot of pressure um how are you feeling right now leading into these last few
days thanks for asking that today i feel great i had a two-hour nap in the daytime and I feel very energized.
Yesterday was a very tough and difficult day, right?
Because the team has literally been on two hours sleep for a week straight.
And just the tiredness kicks in at some point so strong, you cannot think clearer anymore.
Like, guys, we just need to be realistic with ourselves right like we're we're so close we're so close and we want to push this
uh but you know it's jeopardizing our health and things like that one and even one little mistake
will fuck the whole project up like the reveal goes wrong traits go wrong you end up with some
fucking um what was that one project where the guy's hands were like all fucking that was lord of the ring yeah lord of the yeah you know some lord of the ring shit and like you you would just
get futted completely out of the space and the support on the timeline via and also with the
abstract team and luca uh you know it's too strong and i you know and now like going to open sea
like that's got to be another big
driving point where this has to be 100 correct because now you're going on the largest marketplace
with the largest you know mind share in web3 like even on the netflix special they kept all they
kept showing was open sea uh at at different times you know where to go buy at. And so people know that.
And then, you know, I think it's going to drive a lot of volume
into the top collections over on abstract.
Yeah.
And final BOSU being one.
So yeah, I had a phone call.
Yeah, but cheese, can you buy runes on OpenSea?
I'm just kidding.
Nobody wants to buy a fucking rune. Yeah, we're not buying runes. Are you saying BOSU runes on open c um i'm just kidding nobody wants to buy a fucking yeah we're not
buying are you saying both bosu runes no he's not yeah everybody else got it that's what's important
uh dude kev i gotta say man i you know i was really excited about the mint yesterday and then
i i was uh i was a little bit on shaky ground uh but dude i'm like all in again having a founder show up accountable yeah dude it's it speaks
volumes it speaks volumes to your commitment to the community uh not just not just the project
and the success of the project and the technical side of it but the community and com side of it
as well you know if you miss a mark you miss a mark right but showing up being accountable
just i don't know man i i'm uh i went from pretty shaky ground to like bosu maxi just now just
having me show up dude i appreciate you being there i totally agree dude i appreciate that guys
and yeah i think that's the conversation we had this morning internally. Even though I think transparency somehow, someway,
it kind of still slipped out of my mind
because I want to be as transparent as possible,
but I also don't want to bother holders with their problems
and just fix it, right?
And sometimes that just bite us in the ass.
Right, and if you guys would have been
able to pull it out you know pull a rabbit out of the hat and solve that issue yesterday you could
have you could have saved it and then you know there would but you know i get it man like it's
a hindsight kind of situation i get it say kevin you've done a good job of being front-facing with
the community in the sense that a lot of NFT projects, you know, come and go and
you never even know who the devs or the project founders are, you know, and you've been front
facing and, you know, dropping videos for months now regarding final votes.
So I think you've done a good job of, you know, taking that accountability.
Look, problems happen.
And, you know, I mean, everybody in who everybody in who who's ever been in an NFT projects or NFT project in general knows that, you know, hard dates typically don't, you know, work out.
We've had that problem.
And we're a lot of us are big creeps holders.
We've had, you know, delay after delay on certain things.
After delay on certain things, that's a lot of pressure.
That's a lot of pressure.
You know, when you put a hard date out there and, you know, meeting the expectations that you kind of preset, you know.
So, like, you know, I think, you know, as long as you guys continue to be transparent with the community, I don't think I don't see any problems, you know, in the ongoing and in the future.
As long as you guys continue to be transparent about you know
where you are and and and kind of you know just keep everybody up there i think i think communication
and comms from a team are like the most important thing to keep like the faith of your community
um and you guys coming out and addressing the situation pretty quickly i think uh reinstalls
a lot of faith within the community you You know, people might think that I was like talking specifically on you, Kevin, I was talking
about the broader industry as a whole. And like, like the conversation about the art reveal opened
up like just a larger conversation. I feel very passionate about when it comes to like people
stepping up and doing what they're supposed to do. And what you're supposed to do is do what
you're doing right now, which is step up when there's a problem, address it in public, like
you're doing your fucking job.
So, like I said, hats off to you, man. And like, you know, like lean into the people that know what they're talking about in your circles, like bearish, man.
Like, you know, obviously, like they've come through for you before. These types of people won't won't tell you the fugazi, you know, and if you put a dev in a seat with a deadline, like I've been that dev will tell you exactly what you need to hear to get through the bugs we're going through or, you know, and try to make it seem all good. And if the deadline
crashes on us, we're like, oh shit, we're going to keep trying, but that lands on you as the
founder. Right. And then creates the comms issue. So it's like, um, you know, thanks for showing up.
Like that means that, that means the world, I think to your holders in general, that you keep
doing that, man. And that's, I think where most of us that have a heart for this industry are
concerned for is just the general holders out there that are betting on people, you know.
Absolutely. Now, I would be remiss since we have you here if we didn't try to milk you for some alpha.
So I got to ask whether you can answer or not.
What can we expect after? I mean, we got, you know, we got five different clans, five days of reveals.
Whenever that happens, what can we expect in the short term after the reveal is complete?
Yeah, I think there's some exciting things.
I think some things have started to come out.
I think there's two core focuses for us straight after Mint,
and that is making our first step into the IP proliferation world.
And so different partnerships and licensing deals we've done
that are starting to roll out, you know, expansion
on different social platforms is in the works.
And then on the flip side, it's the, you know,
it's what can we do for our holders and connect them with the IP, right?
So how do the licensing rights look like?
How do we present it in a really fun and entertaining way
that we haven't seen before, you know, and get that out there so that the community feels a sense of ownership
within the brand and could literally technically build a brand or products.
I think those two are going to be core focuses.
One of the things that got posted already by the Chimpers team
is a collaboration we're doing with them.
They basically license the IP of FinalBosu,
and Chimpers are going to enter the Final Basu world with reveal packs.
It's going to be a super fun experience.
The art is absolutely amazing.
It's going to launch on Abstract as well, so that's going to be fun.
There's all these types of things that are upcoming.
Yesterday, some leaks on Opusine Abstract.
Not sure what that means, but that seems to be uh that seems to be an interesting one and i'm bro i'm telling you the the abstract going on
open sea everybody that's well and everybody that's farming over there they're not
so they canceled the original farming and now they're just dropping crates and as soon as they
announced ronin that day i said i guarantee you they're going to be
dropping crates to everyone that buys on ronan and sure enough they dropped i think like 7 000
crates uh for the for the shipments um and those give you xp on open and there's a lot of people
trading over there and i i think abstract nfts are gonna fucking cook this is one of the highest
volume days i've seen on abstract i mean final bosu BOSU, 23 ETH and volume OCH up 13 ETH and volume gigaverse bearish is at almost
nine ETH and volume. Kabu's back up to 0.063. Pretty cool. Kev, I wanted to ask you real quick,
this reveal process, how did y'all come up with this? Cause it's, it's pretty intriguing. Like,
when did y'all make that decision? Was that something you had the intentions to do from the beginning?
Or did y'all kind of come up with that as you were creating the project?
Yeah, I did share a bit on the last space.
And I think that one of the things I try to do a lot during this marketing campaign is like,
how can we stay flexible and anticipate to make sure
that we hit the spot on every angle, right?
And I think this was one of those.
So this has been in the works now for, you know,
X amount of weeks for sure,
but it's definitely something that came up later.
I think one of the things we've tried to anticipate a lot
and as well is literally watching in the community,
listening to what they say, Even the final bosses, right?
This is something that has been constantly asked in our Discord.
Are the final bosses in the collection? Are the final bosses? They're like, guys, too many people are
asking it. And I literally made a list of people that asked it. I was like, okay, there's over, I believe
over 25 people that asked it. So I was like, team, I think we need to add
some final bosses. And so those are things that we actually came up with last minute
and that changed the course of everything.
But I think that's the power of Web3, of trying to listen
and see what people actually want, they need,
and what they would get excited about and then deliver that.
It reminds me back of my advertising days.
I would run an ad.
I would literally see
what people would respond, right, and the questions they will be asking. Or I would ask certain
questions to the customers around their certain pain points. And I would literally put those
pain points into an ad, right? And that would then work. And I kind of see that similarity here of,
you know, what it is that the people want and need and how are people responding. And so,
you know, the short answer is, yeah, it's definitely an experience that we've built later on.
The main purpose, because people seem to misunderstand it a bit,
it's that the final bosses are one of ones.
Those are most rare and they're coming in the end.
All the rest of the IDs are similar in rarity in terms of the amounts.
Only the citizens are in more. So we kept those closer to the final bosses. So each ID has its own rarity in terms of the amounts. Only the citizens are in more.
So we kept those closer to the final boss.
So each ID has its own rarity, right?
And we've thought a lot about the rarity systems.
I think there's some collections that have done it really, really well in the space.
A long time ago, we've done full breakouts of all the collections in the space
and looked at all the different rarities and how they actually build it up.
I think besides drawing the traits, creating a rarity system and generally
that's a whole nother side to the art of itself, right? That's like that's art as well. And so
I think that's a very important part. So we kind of tried to look at, you know, how can we,
you know, the IDs are based on character types that I've seen in Web3. The codacast or coders, that group was created
because there's so many programmers and coders in our space.
That's where back in the day, a year and a half ago,
when we started working on the collection,
the thought process came from.
Each ID speaks to a different audience type.
If you are a person who really loves clean PFPs
with not too much fluff around it,
then probably Mujin's are going to be for you.
But if you're more of like, I want to express authoritative,
then Kaiju-kan is probably more for you.
If you're more this underground coder and you like ninjas,
and you like sort of more the dark techware,
then Codacast are going to be for you.
Those different IDs all speak to different types of people. and um but but within each id there's different rarities and so you know
special weapons special powers uh how do you pronounce the the what is it the catch catch
he could tell you five times you ain't gonna be able to repeat it
bro i was over here yeah i was like mujin karaka kachakan i don't i don't know so what what's
interesting is that uh and i don't know if you guys have done the the growth path the path of
the path website that i talk a bit about there yeah absolutely yeah yeah yeah we're on it every
day let's go um so yeah those ids all like... These are people that live within the universe, right?
And so Mujin's originally were called NPCs,
but we kind of felt that NPCs have this negative sort of view to it in a way.
So we're like, okay, we need to change this name.
Then Mujin came out.
Then you have Kodakas.
You have Kaiju-Kan.
I mean, I'm from the Netherlands.
I don't even know if I pronounce it well.
Then you have Citizens and you have the Kazugamis, right?
And Kazugamis are grouped with the final bosses
because Kazugamis are a bit more like badass, right?
They live in the desert.
They live outside of the city.
And so their clothing is more rough
and a bit of Mad Max vibe there, like that style, right?
Yep.
Look, you know, I love the fact that y'all created
these different classes and rarities, you know,
because, you know, unfortunately when Blur came out and created that farming system, it kind of ruined rarity for NFT collections.
People were farming it and just trying to gain Blur points.
But, you know, recently we've seen a couple of collections, one in particular, Good Vibes Club, where rarity has been.
I mean, there are multiple sales over the past three days we've seen you
know uh 14 each sell a 22 each sale and then last night a 90th sale on one of the cosmics
my point being is that you know it looks like collectors are starting to slowly come back to
the nft space and buy nfts that they vibe and resonate with and you know higher rarity nfts
so i think you know the fact that you guys are doing that is a plus for the space i you know higher rarity nfts so i think you know the fact that you guys are doing that
is a plus for the space i you know i always used to love hunting for nfts that were rare
on a discount after a reveal and try and scoop up something good so love the fact that y'all are
doing that i appreciate that yeah and i think even in rarities, you even need to have it visually represented in a way where almost just by looking at it, you can kind of tell, right?
Like, ah, this is common and it builds up, right?
And if that also matches the rarity with the right quantity, so there's not too many of them, so it feels exclusive i think that's that's kind of where the where the magic spot lays right and so yeah i gotta ask myself
interesting question i have a bit of a thing for clowns i always wanted an azuki with the kabuki
face paint is there anything even approaching a clown trait because i'm gonna be honest dude
i've seen them i've seen a lot of anime ips fail in the face of
the monster that is azuki but it feels like the crown is slipping just a little bit over there
you know and i think that bosu is primed to take that anime crown so i gotta know is there gonna
be anything even remotely close to a clown trait? Or would you even expose that?
I'm trying to think, really.
I'm going through all the traits in my mind.
I don't think there's like a direct clown correlation.
Well, that's all right.
I mean, here I am with a sugar.
You just lost them, Kev.
I lost it.
You lost them.
You should have said yes.
Yeah, you could have lied to me.
Maybe they'll come out with a clown badge.
Kev, that's what I wanted to ask.
So when you minted originally, there was like a badge that you got.
I guess it's internal.
It's nothing to do with abstract itself.
Like, is that, is there going to be, because that was like, I think, for the first phase.
Right, Kyle? Yeah. Didn't you get one? Yeah, was like i think for the first phase right kyle
yeah didn't you get one yeah yeah and then like the second phase didn't have anything right
uh the second phase no because that's when i meant it i i wasn't able to okay all right and
then is this like this badge system gonna is it gonna be just like an internal collection of
growth through the through the brand is that what it's gonna be yeah like an internal collection of growth through the, through the brand? Is that what it's going to be?
Yeah.
Like what is the point in the badges?
Yeah.
I think kind of the, the, the way we view ecosystems, it's like, you want to be able
to track who's participating so that you know, like who to go to, who to reward.
And, and yeah, that's almost like if it will be a country, like who's, who's providing
most value, right?
And who should get the biggest part of the pie,
if that makes sense.
And so I think if I think of future ways of tracking,
like each and every step is just going to be important of it.
And so other than that,
it obviously adds to the experience, right?
Because in the moment we knew we were doing a pre-sale,
we knew I had a little bit of time
between pre-sale and the public. I also didn't want to leave people empty-handed. I wanted to give them
a feeling of, hey, here you have something, right? And so there's multiple angles I guess you can
hit it on, but those things are definitely going to be a part of like future lore, but as well,
you know, once we get some collective type of profile systems out, then those will be there.
Kev, can I ask you a question? How long have you been building this?
Like, when did you start this? And also, are you looking at
have you owned Mizuki before this? And are you
looking at that team? What did they fail on? What can we do better?
Or is it kind of like you don't really care about them?
I own a couple of Elementals and a couple of Beans.
I've been a part of their community very long.
I love everything Azuki does, to be honest.
There's always things you can improve and do better.
But generally, I love how their attention to detail is.
Yeah, 100%.
We're always learning from every other team, right?
I mean, them as well, but every other team in this space as well.
I think there's a lot of learning lessons that you can take and just skip or improve on.
And so, yeah, no, but I'm a big fan.
I'm close with their team as well.
I've had multiple calls with multiple team members
and definitely see a future where hopefully we're going to do something together. We've been building on Final Bossu as a brand, I mean like in not in its current state,
but for about three and a half years now. And the first year and a half, I would say,
we're on a very different path, right? We we're kind of exploring, like, where is this business going?
Where is this organization going?
We've, you know, built some VR games.
We were working on a sandbox game with a dojo
where you could learn personal growth lessons.
We've released the first collection on Ethereum,
and that's an open seat, the Boston Legacy.
There was a smaller collection
where we initially got started with in the space.
And then, you know, at some point, we some point we just realized we have to fully pivot. And I think one of the conclusions
we got was coming from all the brands that were becoming successful, like Pudgy and Azuki. We could
see the IP plays happening right in front of us. And it's also one of the things that I...
Once we started working on it and
we looked at all the brands there was one thing missing for us and there was main characters we're
like why none of these brands have main characters and in generally every media franchise in the
world every ip other than maybe maybe some of the cute ones that you know are more are not that deep as anime brands. Pikachu IP has like a Pikachu.
Yeah.
Yes, yes.
So that was one of the main things.
So that's what we've worked on first
before even starting to work on a whole collection, right?
And so we felt like that will separate us
and puts us in a good position to expand the IP, right?
We already have main characters now.
We know what their place is.
And based on them, like Let's You Go, our main character
in the whole storyline is a Mujin.
And so he's part of that ID.
All those IDs eventually come from the storylines
from even these main characters.
And I think that's also what gives depth to the IP.
That's what gives depth to the collection.
Hopefully, guys, look at the collection
and you see the stories within it
because it's actually based on personality traits and things like that.
So yeah, we've been working on it for a while but sometimes it's misleading to
say we've been working on this collection for three and a half years.
That's not the case. I'd say the collection probably in the first
iteration started about a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago.
Meanwhile, designing characters and writing a lot of
script and story, we've spent a lot of time on the world building part because
we, yeah, just knew that at some point if we want to expand, we know like what it
is that we want to expand, right?
And I think we've got a good head start there in comparison to other IPs, but
obviously, yeah, we have a lot of work to do to uh to get to the level of the other giants
in the space yeah um well that's one of the things like so like trying to back to the ip for just a
second um and i'm not sure how much time you even have uh like i look at a lot of azuki's i see like
dingaling for instance he's had a lot of artwork made after his IP.
And there's a lot of other big Azuki holders
and even small Azuki holders
that have built their whole entire brand around that.
Is that going to be something that the team
is going to allow holders to do
to be able to basically market their Bosu
to make that happen?
Totally.
That's the big, I would say,
one of the big goals and big dreams
for us to incentivize and to focus on.
We haven't released the licensing rights yet,
but it's something we're actively working on
to present so that people actually
have the license to their NFT, to their IP, to their character.
Yeah, 100%. I think there's a new way of how media franchises are going to be built over time,
and this is one of them. Some initial things we've been doing, there's a holder, Descendo Miyagi,
I think I spoke about it
in one of the growth paths the other day,
who's a holder from Pharma First Collection
already for maybe a year and a half.
And he has this online e-commerce store
together with his aunt and mom from Japan.
And he asked us,
let's do a drop together, right?
And I think in the classic media franchise world,
especially once they're on bigger scale,
they wouldn't allow these things.
They're very protective over the IP.
I think that we want to be a bit more open about that,
but put systems and the technology in place
where we can reward those
that are actually participating, right?
And so, no, we're definitely open to it.
The ideal version for me would be
thousands of organizations and brands that are going to get started under the umbrella
often of a bosu and just repping that like for me instant like for me bro i love my creeps i'm known
by this pfp but it's an ip nightmare it's got a mickey hat it's got a among us shirt it's like
i couldn't do anything with this hey you gotta make some money before you gotta worry about that but i understand but like that right
there is just not a marketable thing you can't do anything with that so like yeah bosu is gonna be a
very you know independent ip though i don't think they're gonna lean into i mean correct me if i'm
wrong or nothing yeah kev but i mean are you guys you guys going to implement, what would you call it,
like traits that maybe tickle nostalgia from other IPs,
or is everything very unique in this ecosystem and art?
Very unique, yes, totally.
We've been quite deliberate about that.
Of course, if you have a certain outfit on that could remind you of something,
even though there are some kimonos in our collection,
they would technically say that a kimono is already an existing item,
of course, so there's those, but nothing like,
hey, this is just taken from Naruto and kind of alternated.
We really wanted to stay away from that and really create and design our own things.
So even like all the clothing is designed by my brother, right?
And it's, it's literally a unique clothing.
And so we technically we could, we could find some designers and go and create those
clothing in the real world and have our own, uh, clothing brands there.
Right.
So, uh, yeah, you've got family entwined and all this working together i mean that i like to hear
that kind of stuff let's uh let's let lucas luke you got your hand up brother go ahead
yo kev i dm'd you something that i wasn't sure i wanted to ask you on the space but
one thing that i do want to ask you and i like and like cheese said i don't know if you have to
split or what but um like as someone and i don't know what you have planned if there's
anything else planned but with the plans to build you know an ip and that's kind of where things go
from here and building the anime out and i guess it'll be an anime franchise like are there any
and that's a long-term goal i would assume like i don't know where there's a possibility for revenue
and ip in the shorter term but are But are there any ideas or routes of revenue
outside of that or within that in the short term?
Or is it like a long-term goal?
Yeah, I think that the nature of a media franchise
is not as much as my old marketing business, right?
Where I would literally go out and I would find a restaurant or I'll find a
dentist or I'll find a gym and I would sell them on an advertising service.
They will pay me 2000 bucks a month and I'll find more clients and there will
be a very direct product.
I think media franchises are a lot more about brand building and IP expansion
before monetizing the brand, right?
And I think even like someone like Alexamosi, who is obviously massive,
he monetizes not even directly to the consumers, I guess, but more to the bigger brands.
But I think that's an example of you want to build a brand first before you even think about
monetizing. I think that's the more classic way of doing media franchises. But I do see another
world where there are certain products that don't need
the IP technically.
Because you can think about if I open a restaurant today and I open it around Pokemon and I will
be able to get those licensing, then the chance of success would increase only because people
love Pokemon.
But in our case, that's not the case.
If somebody now opens a Final Boss restaurant,
nobody knows it, right?
Like who gives to them about this?
Maybe they look at the art and like,
okay, this is awesome.
And so I think that we need to do a good job
in proliferating the IP so that people actually care.
But on the flip side,
if you would open up a restaurant
and you just do really good food,
that could be the IP proliferator on its own.
And so, you know, I think there's, yeah,
a lot of ways of exploring it.
We haven't announced, like, a direct product that we're going to release now directly
that's going to produce, like, a big amount of revenue.
I think a core focus would definitely be on brand building, expansion,
growing our socials.
We've got some very unique ways, I think, that are going to grow our socials
that that are gonna grow our socials in a different way then we have seen at least one web tree brands
in a different way than we have seen at least from Web3 brands.
um and so yeah i would say core focus is there uh and growing the pie growing the brand growing the
ip the um okay go ahead no i was just i didn't yeah i didn't know how much time he had um i was
just gonna remind him that wallet 88 cb that's 88 cb um those are the ones you can make sure the two uh two of the
one-on-ones uh 88cb 88cb i'll dm you you know yeah i'll just sell one as well i am curious uh
kev man one of the first things that really attracted me to this whole thing
it was not even the pfp art it was that
that animation that that really epic animation is so high i mean it is so high level i watch a lot
of anime brother i thought he said one of his brothers made that that was some of the coolest
fucking art i have seen in all of anime it was unbelievable so i got i'm curious like how much more do you
guys intend to lean into the animation side i mean is there maybe some short form episodes that i
could be looking forward to here and that similar art style i mean that is just jaw-dropping anime
art it's amazing so for people that don't know this, like when, uh, in a couple of minutes, I need to bounce.
I need to put my son to sleep before the next space is going to start.
Sure.
When me, when I was young, like my brothers, literally since I can remember, we're creating movies, homemade movies, like creating trailers.
And then as we grew older, we started a video production company in graphic design.
And when I was 15, I quit high school. I joined them in the business.
Done that for a couple of years before we split up, went to do our own things all.
We've always been busy with creating movies and vlogging.
And even way before internet was a thing, right?
Like we're not the youngest. Well, not super old, but not the youngest either.
And so I would say that a Final Basu on its own,
it's the next iteration of my brother's work.
They've probably created like 30, 40 different trailers in the past.
None of animation on this level.
But this is all just the next iteration of their creativity.
So yeah, animation and movie
and script writing,
like that's our thing.
I would say my brothers
are filmmakers,
and they might not have done
something on like
a Hollywood high-level thing yet.
I think what they've shown
and demonstrated till today
is already impressive,
but I just know them so well
of their intention
and how much time and effort
they put into every single detail we can all see that in the trailer that like my biggest conviction
is that they will be recognized one day as one of the biggest filmmakers right and and and doing
that in anime first and so 100 we're going to expand this story um you know in many different
ways like that's the ultimate dream for us would be
to... Final Boss would be
best told either through
a good anime series
or a good game
because of the Final Bosses and the Groveheads.
It's a perfect IP for games as well.
But we internally
are extremely excited about animation.
That trailer that you see
that's done internally with a bunch of freelance animators all guided by my brother right and um i brought it in all
the animatics and they wrote all the script themselves and all the stories and all the
character design so um which is which is great because like uh i know i watched the background
of the azuki uh making of their first one and the cost of hiring those companies to do a lot of what they did
had to be insanely it was way more than what you guys probably spent to get this done
um and then you guys doing it in-house is like a passion for y'all so it's pretty good totally
we haven't released those numbers but i'll have to see the exact numbers but
when we started working on the trailer maybe a little over a year ago or a year and a half as well,
you know, besides all the rest of the things,
we knew we wanted to create a trailer that will be,
if you would go to a studio,
probably pay a couple hundred grand for it.
And you also lose a lot of the creative direction, right?
Because you're outsourcing it, basically.
So we knew like, okay, we need to do this,
but we don't have a couple hundred grand, right?
And so how do we hack our way to it?
And this is what came out, basically.
And I believe we spent north of 20K in total
to produce this whole thing.
Holy shit.
That's amazing.
Imagine when you have a couple hundred grand.
Exactly.
When we started working on the trailer,
we knew one thing.
We need to create a minimal viable product
for Wolf3 so they can see our vision
and they can see the story we want to create.
And if you give us a bit of resources,
we're going to do a lot more with it, right?
And we're going to expand this brand
to bring it to heights that I think it deserves.
Yeah, I appreciate you all.
Missing is running after me through the garden here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Anytime.
Love to come back again.
That's right.
Yeah.
Thanks so much for coming through.
I got to say,
man,
I've been a fan.
You've turned me into a mega fan.
come around anytime you want,
man.
We'd be happy to have you here.
I'm going to be,
I'm going to be shouting about BOSU from the rooftops in the coming weeks.
For sure.
I appreciate y'all.
And Saul,
you're giving us feedback. I appreciate that. I love that, man love that man yeah brother and if you ever had a question on the tech side just hit me up i'm from free free to game which i would put people
like off it's an hour or two to just sit and look through a problem i'm here bro just reach out to
go man happy to jump on the call sometime as well man thanks man let's go keep going brother all
right nice um yeah that was good that was really cool
thanks to saul's thanks to see imagine cheese this had a not just spoke my mind you know the
homie kev pulled up to speak his thanks to saul bitching um about how bad builders are in the
space somebody in here was like you know somebody in here was like yo kev they're talking shit about
you bro well look and you know here's a prime example of the power of just showing the fuck up.
Like, dude, I got to admit, I had a lot of negative feelings about the way things went yesterday.
And showing up, taking some accountability, communicating your intention to people just took me and did it.
It made me do a complete fucking 180 there.
And now I'm like, I'm more of a fan than I was to fucking begin with.
You know, I've been fairly bearish because I didn't get to admit my first come first.
Because you didn't click them buttons fast enough.
Why didn't you say something, bro?
Listening to the passion he has about the project has made me more bullish on the project. I think it's going to do well.
I still think you're going to go buy one.
Sell one of your good vibes.
I'll buy one post-reveal.
He's only got one good vibe
left, and that's his dope one.
What's up, Luke? Luke's the only one
fucker up here that will just put his hand up.
What's up, Luke?
You guys ever donate to a GoFundMe and you have the option
to be anonymous or not
you ever see that and like you see someone like wow they don't have 500 they're anonymous for
all donate 20 bucks and i want them to know it's me i've never donated to a gofundme but i'm about
to call a kid the n-word on a playground and then one up that's what i'm gonna do
you don't even know the full story of that and secondly secondly, okay. Fucking Moon High. I'm making a joke. I'm not making a political statement.
Moon High is the fourth guy
that's going to defend the woman.
Moon High is in defense
of calling the kids.
Moon High.
Anyway.
Moon High was the little kid.
They thought it was a kid,
but it was actually Moon High.
I was just trying to preface it
in a funny way
to say that I DMed Kev
and got him up here
and give me the clout for it.
Hey, I appreciate that.
I really do. I do appreciate that because we tried to get a hold of kev through a few
different channels but i just didn't have any like real commonality between our following so
it just didn't quite work out but it was good to get a chance to talk to him um that was that was
pretty lit i'm feeling a lot better about those i tried about two times and after that i was like
you know what i'm not chasing this fucking guy around um well you know i mean we started trying to get a hold of him
while everybody was trying to get a hold of him in the couple months leading up to the mint so i i
can i can see where you know there was probably a lot going on and not enough of kev to go around
everywhere uh but you know still it's good to hear from good to make the connections yeah yeah
no i agree uh abstracts like every time they do the xp release bro it goes to shit um yeah the
whole chat's been missing like so you can't even type in the chat of the stream not on mine i can't
i didn't even think about comparing my xp you know, I didn't get that much less XP.
XP was, bro, some people are like, they're on the timeline.
I thought I was going to get a lot less because I did sell,
I sold off of a handful of abstract NFTs this week to reinvest into my Bitcoin.
I finally got my Bitcoin miner going.
But I didn't think that was like a NFT or something that it would be able to read.
So I was expecting my XP to get nerfed pretty good, but it's right about where it was.
I'm down a little bit, but not a lot.
And I probably didn't do as much gaming and shit last week as I had done.
So that's probably the only difference there.
Yeah.
Yeah, nice. so that's probably the only difference there so yeah um yeah nice um all right
well we're 34 minutes 38 minutes
yeah kp's gotta get to the gym and then get
back
he's sweating
you ain't even done nothing today bro you sat
there fucking probably got your whole
house bro
by the way kp every single time that you
started talking to Kev,
fucking Jesus is on fucking the stream doing jerk-offs and sucking dicks and stuff.
I was dying, dude.
You got to keep an eye on this guy on the stream, dude.
He won't roll you.
You know, wait, before we wrap up,
did you guys, sorry for that you got jerked off and dick
sucked kenny um i hope i didn't at all ever um at least not by jesus anyway hey bro you would
ever talk about did you guys ever talk about the 20 bear thing how carlo teased that we're
gonna want to have 20 bears yeah carlo was was on stage. Yeah, I'm talking about it. Yeah.
I wish I could afford 20 bears right now.
I've only got two at the moment.
I need something to blow up.
And then I, dude, I love the bearish team.
I love the bearish IP.
I would love to try to stack my way up to 20 bearish.
I think that, I think that project's going to fucking cook.
I'm at 17 and I want more than 20.
Yeah, that's what's up up They remind you of winter bears
Remember winter bears
No I don't
Yeah dude that's how I met the homie Shamdu
Pumping the shit out of winter bears
I don't remember winter bears
You know who Shamdu is
Look at his profile picture
Yeah I know him from his original project of HeadDow.
Yeah, I was in that.
I minted HeadDow fucking years ago.
That kid was in high school.
Yeah, he was in high school when he was running that project.
He was 16 years old when he launched that project.
And they held fucking millions of dollars in nfts
and then they voted his ass out head down voted the dow voted him out as and then he had to like
it was it was wild um and then he ended up leaving and doing whatever else but
anyways he's ran it up in the trenches but But wait, wait, real quick. Do you guys know Bu Toshi?
I don't know if you guys ever want someone to come on.
I know who you're talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah, dude, his stuff that he does with AI and his Discord.
Like, it's nothing that's that crazy, to be honest.
But I think that if you combine what he has with the right,
like with a couple other factors, like it would just go insane
and people would have a lot of appreciation for it. i talked to him at nftla about that just
came to mind because you were talking about a young guy uh where we were sham do and butoshi
is also like i swear he's like 1920 or 21 he's young as fuck i mean i'm 25 so same but you know
he's a bit younger and just genius his excitement level for the tech is actually like infectious, which is why I really fuck with him.
He's actually pumped up on it and it's for real.
It's not like some grip where he's getting more followers because he's excited.
He literally gets up every day and writes four programs with the technology, which is bitching, bro.
Dude, he's got a huge smile on his face while he tells me about everything.
When I was talking to him in FTLA and he was telling me what he built, yeah so he could be a good one if you guys just want to chat about some shit
by the way last thing before we do stop i uh i tried to get the big moto guy to come in here i
was in the discord talking to him i was like hey man if you want to come through the space today
like i'd love to ask you some questions or whatever he goes which space who's gonna be there and i was like i co-host the space like we talked about it some or whatever yesterday
he didn't really respond and then i put the link in and i tagged him uh he was like i was like if
you come i'll change my pfp he goes i need big names there. Really?
The big moto guy.
Finn from Abstract commented and said that it's likely a grift or likely a rug.
I don't know.
Yeah, and it is.
I think there's been several other collections that have been attempted to be launched from this same Twitter account that keeps switching up.
Yeah, I want to keep reiterating that because i did talk about it
and i did pick up a few of them uh but yeah it's definitely on the high end of the risk scale uh
they're either gonna rug or their base it's either big pool with cool pfps or it's a rug
and it's probably a rug so just keep that in mind if you're gonna go buy them but i have most yeah i'm thinking it's gonna be a rug yeah we'll see we'll find out yeah dude just buy big pool
the thing is the big pool is um they're kind of high priced right now the floor on those is kind
of run up uh you know compared to i mean i don't know i haven't done the math fresh today but
you might
be better off just setting up your own mining rig based on where the price and the prices fluctuate
all the time right bitcoin goes up and down the price of the big pool nft goes up and down at any
given moment one of the other is actually the better buy um i just kind of wanted to have my
own setup though so i i did my own setup and then i grabbed some of those
because they were still like sub 0.01 at the time so like you know i got a good entry even if you're
buying your own setup i mean i guess it depends on the bitcoin price and maybe you could get a setup
that has a higher hash rate for yourself personally than what you get out of the percentage of the
hash rate but i thought that the whole concept was that like no matter how you break it down like
if you put your 0.05 i guess at the time into a mining setup then you're gonna have more mining
power even when they oh yeah yeah yeah if you meant it you were definitely better off doing
the big pool thing definitely by a lot and and board elog's not gonna rug like he's a legit guy
i was in that space like the whole time just kind of grilling him with questions because i was Definitely, by a lot. And Bord Elog's not gonna rug. He's a legit guy, for sure.
I was in that face the whole time
just kind of grilling him with questions
because I was skeptical.
And then right at the end of it, I was like,
okay, I'm in, and I could only mint a couple of them.
I was literally gonna mint like fucking 10 of them.
Yeah, I wish I had minted some of them.
I didn't, even though I talked to him
before the mint even happened.
I'm fucking retarded, dude.
I don't even have anything to say for myself.
All right, we gotta go go gotta shut it down um yeah oh kenny stop your fucking bitching bro oh whatever kenny you still got those in 50 minutes i'm co-hosting X-Works Space. Hey, I finished my training and everything,
and you're still here.
Yeah, Dijani, what'd you say?
You're co-hosting a space?
Yeah, in 50 minutes, the X-Works Space.
Oh, okay.
Look at Dijani.
I'm one of the co-hosts.
Dijani, did you pin the link or anything?
Put it in the chats, I guess.
Yeah, put it in the chats, I guess. I mean, we have
always some gaming
projects in it.
Sorry, I'm not going to be able to make it, man.
I'm going to be at the gym, but good luck with that, man.
I know you're going to kill it.
Thank you, Kenny.
Won't you fucking listen in while you're at the gym?
How about that, Kenny?
Klanosaurs just started a space 16 minutes ago, too.
The space is always one hour.
Like, if you come, it's always one hour.
We'll finish at the clock.
Abide the certain guidelines that everybody...
Kenny, do you listen to...
Let the bodies hit the foot.
Let the body...
Slipknot? Is that Slipknot?
Who is it?
No, it's not Slipknot. That was Drowning Pool.
Slipknot. Yeah, it is. No, not slipknot that was drowning yeah it is no it was drowning
pool yeah you guys know back before drowning pool even got big that guy came on the howard stern
show and he was gonna the before that band was ever famous i remember watching uh when i was a
kid that guy came on with the band and he was gonna cut his pinky off live on the Howard Stern show for them to play that song.
For them to play that song before it was ever famous.
And right before he did it, they stopped him.
They told him, don't.
As soon as they realized he was really going to do it, they were like, dude, don't cut your fucking pinky off.
We'll play your fucking song.
And that's basically how Drowning Pool came to be.
That was the beginning of their rise. yeah little drowning pool history that was nice all
right cool um all right cool uh peace out yeah bye everybody
