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Reality Check 🧀🎙️Creepz 🦎 Portal Coin 🅿️
Recorded: Dec. 26, 2023 Duration: 2:12:14Space Recording
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Let's go.
I don't know if I even want to be known low interest, like a high credit score with a loan.
As long as I don't got to struggle with money too hard, I don't do broke.
It ain't nothing pretty in being stopped.
Oh, and if you in L.A., you may benefit from a lane pass.
Ain't afraid of a job, but I just want to not wear a name tag.
I don't know.
Hello, Peter.
What's happening?
I'm going to need you to go ahead and come in tomorrow.
So if you could be here around nine, that would be great.
Okay.
Oh, oh, and I almost forgot.
But I'm also going to need you to go ahead and come in on Sunday, too.
Okay.
We lost some people this week, and we need to sort of play catch up.
Thanks.
Oh, shit.
I had that shit open.
What's up, guys?
Good morning.
Good morning.
I hadn't heard that song before.
It was Skip Whitman.
I was busy trying to find this.
What a legend.
Yeah, I was trying to find the Skip Whitman tweet because he reached out to me.
Obviously, everybody's seen that tweet with Skip Whitman.
If you don't know who Skip Whitman is, I'm digging through notifications right now to find the tweet from him.
It was just like a complete shout out to the Creeps community for supporting him.
And here it is here.
So if you haven't went and shown Skip Whitman some love, go do that.
If you're not familiar with Skip Whitman, his music, Bloody Mary, was featured on the Rover video, one of the most catastrophic videos to ever debut in Overlord history.
It was cool, but then it just blew up.
But then Skip got my DMs and he is going to, he has a new album coming out and he's actually going to feature, he wanted to include Creeps or Overlord on the album cover.
So I sent him a few things, a few different stickers and thanks to Ace Hondo and Call Me M, a few others staying, I believe, in Discord.
They were sending me stuff.
So I sent him the rubber duck and I think that's what he's going to land on.
So like on the album cover, it's like his face and his eyes are like blocked out, but there's all kinds of random things on the album cover.
He has a bunch of $100 bills.
I was trying to send him like the Lumi on fire, like the dollar bill on fire.
Like I thought that would have been cool.
I don't know if he's going to like kind of move towards that, but definitely going to have the rubber duck on there.
Kind of like an homage to the Creeps community.
So yeah, if you haven't seen that, then go up there and just, you know, give him a shout out, support him.
You know, he's a smaller artist and he's just trying to get his name out there.
So definitely work with some big people.
Also, the Creeps must giveaway that I'm doing this Friday.
I'm still waiting on the Overlord Kippy statues to get here.
They should be here on Friday.
If you have not done that, the rules for the giveaway on that, please make sure you go do that.
Hold on.
I thought that was today.
I'm only here because I thought you were giving free shit away.
No, I'm not giving anything away today.
It's going to happen on Friday.
So make sure you do that before Friday because we are going to do that.
I'm still trying to figure something out as far as how I'm going to do the drawing.
I had the idea given to me to possibly just go live and like do it with my daughter and maybe like just pull names from like a hat or do something to kind of incorporate her into Creeps because she does love Creeps.
And but also a lot of other people reaching out to me.
So I spoke to what is his is Kyle Bebo.
How do you say it?
Kenny, you know who I'm talking about?
Yeah, the one who does that.
Yeah, he originally.
I guess Kyle Bebo.
Bebo.
I could be wrong.
That's what I've heard.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So all right.
So he reached out to me.
Let me go to this tweet.
And I had to like respond back to him like eight times because I'm like, no, bro, there's no way you're going to you're going to do that.
So I did have several people reach out like let's he's giving me one of the Dow tokens.
And this is not a plea for me to have anyone in this audience give me anything for the giveaway.
Like the more shit that gets added, the more more wallets I got to find, the more people I got to look up.
So like I don't want I've got a bunch of wrong chick.
No, I'm not giving those away.
But yeah, so Kyle reached out to me and he is going to include three of the creeps blue bomber jackets in the giveaway.
So if you don't know what that trait looks like, it is anybody have that on in this room right now?
Let me look.
I don't see nobody.
So, yeah, so, yeah, so the blue bomber jacket and he said, if you're in front of your computer right now, there's a creep listed.
Yeah, it's creep 3098.
It's listed at 2.88.
But that's that jacket.
God, that is a cool trade.
And those jackets look awesome, too.
I mean, the real the IRL version that he made looks absolutely awesome.
Or he said if so, he's going to he got the slugger jacket.
So he's going to give away three of those included in the giveaway or a piece of merch of their choosing, whatever he has in whatever he has in stock there.
So once we do that, so we're going to add that I'm actually get a tweet added to that.
And then we will and then we will go from there.
So look at Kenny Powers coming in hot with his wallet address.
All right.
So here's the deal.
So I've been I've been told that I can't give the top prize to anyone that is like a co-host.
Wait, what the fuck?
I was listening to a space yesterday where some people just gave stuff away to their most vehement followers.
And well, hey, I mean, all this random I'm just telling you what all this random picking things, doing things fair.
I don't know.
Fuck all that.
Just give me everything.
We have we have this cabal going on.
So I'm just saying I let's just see how it goes.
OK, we're not going to we're not going to get too crazy with that.
Um, yeah, but anyway, I don't know.
Let me let me pin some tweets up here.
Um, Amar, how are you?
Good, man.
How are you?
Uh, what about speakers?
Do they get anything?
Yeah.
Hey, speakers.
Yeah, man.
Go up there.
Retweet it.
Let's let's get it going.
Yeah.
That's like Kyle and Kenny have never won anything.
And Kenny's been trying to give away this shitty ass Goblin Town hoodie, uh, for about two years and nobody wants it.
Nice.
Yeah.
So I've never won anything either.
I've always had to work hard, but I like that.
I like the feeling of working hard and getting some.
Yeah.
The only thing I've ever won is a whitelist for creeps.
Other than that, like, yeah, I've never done, um, never done anything else.
Did that change your life?
Beyond that.
Uh, it did.
It did.
Uh, yeah, it's, uh, it's definitely been a, uh, a whirlwind, um, post minting creeps and divorce and all that stuff.
Like this has been, uh, it's been a big deal.
My kids enjoy it.
Well, at least my youngest does.
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, uh, yeah, man, people were blowing up your tweet yesterday.
You know, there's all kinds of assumptions, you know, this whole space is built on speculation.
So whenever anybody sees anything.
Just to let you know on that, I'll let them speculate.
Yeah, there you go.
Um, but I, I mean, I, I mean, I, I, I really wanted to get you in here, man, uh, to, to just talk about revolving games and web three games.
Absolutely.
Absolutely.
And like, where do you see things going?
Like revolving games as I mean, you guys are what four years old, right?
Yeah.
So I've been in gaming for 14.
Actually, I built my first company, sold that in 2016.
So I've been around for a while and I'd love to talk about gaming and web three in general, and then come to my company.
Uh, because, you know, I, I, I believe in this space, we all have to support each other essentially to win, uh, on a lot of fronts, right?
We're, we're building the new internet and it's, it's incredible how everybody's come together.
I must say the creeps community is fantastic.
You guys are really funny, uh, and really creative, which is, which is awesome to see.
Um, so from, from a gaming aspect, I, I, I think the way we started in gaming was not the right way in, in web three.
Um, everybody was trying to get rich through buying NFTs.
Um, and I feel it's a process, but it's, it's a process which needs to be, uh, front loaded with a great product rather than just buying an asset.
And I think it's maturing in many ways now, uh, seeing a lot of game companies kind of build things under the hood first, having a really good, solid vision.
And I think it was you or somebody else on the space yesterday who mentioned how it's broken and, you know, you can see the wires where it's like, essentially you need to clean up the wires and essentially make everything very, very seamless for it to succeed.
Um, and, and I, I really feel the user experience is going to get better as, as new games come out in the market.
Um, our thesis is purely that the game should not look like web three.
There shouldn't, you should, you, you should be allowed to own assets.
You should have things on chain, but it can completely be web three.
Um, so yeah, I'm going to pause here.
I'd love to answer any questions, um, and go from there.
Yeah, I got a question tomorrow.
So like, what do you, so coming from the traditional web two gaming industry, um,
and seeing this kind of beginning of this cross pollination of web three companies trying to get into traditional gaming?
Like, what do you think is the big obstacle, uh, to, you know, onboarding, you know, a bunch of web two gamers into web three?
I think the first, the first thing is, um, the, the, the, the experience that blew up, uh, in web three gaming was via Axie Infinity.
And they had galled, uh, everybody by, you had to buy an Axie and they've learned and they've improved and they're, they're doing a bunch of cool stuff.
Um, I think that was the biggest mistake, the end challenge.
The other challenge is obviously Apple and Google, they're, they're, they're driving a lot of policies and they're, they sometimes are not as engaging as they should be.
Uh, because like mobile is the fastest growing and it's the fast, they're relatively lower budget games.
Like, you know, when you go console and PC and you want to make deep games, those games cost an arm and a leg.
You're, you're talking about like anything that's valuable worth, uh, you have to invest like a hundred million dollars plus, right?
Um, when it comes to mobile, the production costs have gone up.
You, although you can build a game for a hundred K, but that's obviously in like a flappy bird.
But when you're talking about a real game, a real deep game, which lasts for at least a decade, you're, you're, you're, you're going to have to invest about 15, $20 million, uh, at the very minimum.
And marketing is separate, but once you have a product market fit, you can all easily raise money to scale it.
Um, the, the, when, when we were making games in mobile for, you know, the first game I actually worked on was on mobile was fruit Ninja,
which became a global phenomenon.
It was like downloaded over 1.5 billion times now.
Um, but then the market shifted to free, free to play, which we call freemium.
When you download the game, you enter into it and you're, you're, you're spending as you go.
And the revenues are insane around free to play gaming.
I don't know if you guys are aware, like gaming in general generates over 200 billion a year and mobile gaming is tracking over a hundred billion now.
Uh, you know, a lot of people say Pokemon go, for instance, doesn't exist anymore.
It still makes a hundred million a month.
I think a bad month would be 80 million.
Candy crush still makes $1.5 billion a year.
So it's, it's, it's pretty wild when, when your users can work to spend a lot and you want those users in the web three.
And to your question, just to summarize it, the only way you can get it is you have the same experience and then slowly bring them over to understand what ownership feels like.
One of the key things that we want to do in the long run is, you know, if you, OpenSea was the most famous platform and it still stands to be most famous.
Blur, Magic Eden, OpenLoot, they've all done well and they're growing.
Uh, but the brand right now is OpenSea in the general public.
It's a very complex, uh, experience.
I mean, to learn just to sell an NFT on it is like, uh, it's science.
Um, and, and, and, and, and web two users, there doesn't want to deal with that.
You have to optimize each and every step for them to like, be attentive to your game anyway.
So we typically, when we design a game, we, let's say my designer wants to really engage people.
He'll design us like a hundred step tutorial for people to understand.
Eventually you look at data and you, you're reducing it by 50, 60, 70% sometimes.
So, so user experience becomes key to everything.
And that three is completely broken when it comes to that.
It's getting better every day.
More tools, more companies are understanding that like, I feel blur is amazing.
What they're, they're against a lot of, uh, like companies because of the whole, uh, are the fee aspect, but their experience is so seamless versus, uh, OpenSea.
I'd love to hear a comment on if, if I'm correct, but I think blur is seamless.
It's, it's, it's, it's a game changer on how, how the experience of selling is.
Um, and, and, and last thing on this is I feel for a web two user, you should be building something.
I'm giving you guys an idea, like you should be building something and we might even do it at one point, but we're game guys.
We want to focus on that is for web two users.
You should, it should be an Instagram.
Like OpenSea has that element of being like an Instagram where it's your flex and all of that.
But it, it's first a marketplace.
If you build a product purely based on that, then I would, as a gamer, understand the value of that flex via Instagram and then choose and push.
And then I'm like, Oh, there's trading here.
So, so that is really how I feel the experience should be, but let's see where it goes.
So you're talking about like a social fi gaming profile, um, that also has your assets tied to it.
Uh, things, things like that.
Yeah.
So, so for, I'll give you an example.
Let's say you're playing a game.
You don't know if it's web three, you're, you're, you're engaging with it.
You're, you're enjoying it.
You're spending money, you're gathering points, whatever.
And suddenly you realize it tells you, Oh, you can own assets.
You click on something, you download, let's an app.
And now you, you put in your login, let's say for you guys, it's portal going everywhere.
And you put in your portal login and suddenly you see like this, all that you've collected, which you didn't know.
Now you're like, Oh, maybe it's valuable.
And then you start flexing it right on your social profile on that.
And then you have those followers.
Um, you know, it could be like, Oh, it could be pretty interesting in the ecosystem where
if you're in a certain server or a clan, they, they push kind of following towards you.
So you're already engaged by, Oh, the people following me.
And then, then it goes beyond that.
I think that could be a very, very interesting experience.
OpenSea does not incentivize any web two person who has a short attention deficit.
Like literally our KPI is day one and day one, you're optimizing every step.
And it takes sometimes six months to just make sure that when someone downloads your game,
it's a big thing that they've downloaded an app.
Now they're engaging with it.
That engagement is so crucial on all the experience.
And then you bring web three in a very clunked way.
It's a disaster.
Um, that, that's, that's, that's what I would say is in a nutshell.
Yeah.
I think the bigger profile you can have like that in a, in a social fi experience, because
like, you know, you almost got to put the gameplay first, the social fi aspect, like second,
and then that will like bring people to your profile.
Like the more you're known in the games or, or whatever, but you have that experience to
talk to people, not just about one game, but about everything.
So just using portal as a use case there.
And they say they have 200 plus games.
Like that could be just like, uh, almost like a, an Instagram of social fi experience where
everyone's talking about, just like we talk about Solana coins and all that stuff on Twitter.
This is bringing them into a gaming, um, world where you're able to interact with one another
about the games.
And then the assets come second, like not making it so asset driven or NFT driven, or even crypto
price driven.
What do you think is more likely to happen first?
Do you think a marketplace develops a social platform first or an, a social platform like
X incorporates a marketplace?
I think it's the latter.
Um, for, for, for web two, you're talking about mass adoption here, right?
Um, I, I think that is easier.
Um, you know, the reason why web three is broken, my theory is it was created by, and nothing
to put engineers down engineers are like really smart guys who have no idea about user experience
for like, I always joke about the fact, like, like minting, right?
For instance, that word is like very unique to a normal person.
If you're walking on the road, you're like, I minted something and they're like, what the
fuck?
Right.
It's like, it's like, it's like you've broken it down into a, such a complex, uh, jargon that
it's a put off for a gen.
And like, uh, how many of you have girlfriends and, uh, like boyfriends or whoever, like who,
who, like, I, I would say girls are generally not into, uh, I don't, I don't want to sound
a sexist, but what I'm saying is they're not generally, uh, very tech, uh, focused, but
they, it's hard for like them to just, uh, like talk to web two and now the web three,
like, come on, it's complex.
It's, it's, it's, it's, and, and I, I really, really feel like for instance, Google, when
they were trying to compete with Facebook, they failed with Google plus because it's really
engineering, making a social app, like that's never going to happen.
So, uh, I think if the social stuff gets really well developed, you could see a lot more women
come into the space.
I've heard a lot of people talk about 100% man.
Yeah.
Like on average men are more interested in things and women are more interested in people.
That's just an average.
It's obviously not as if every sex is a monolith, right?
But yeah, as the social aspect of this space develops, you could see a lot more females come
in too.
100% women like to flex.
We all know that they like doing like expensive things.
I'm joking, but, uh, but yeah, uh, I, I, I really feel that that could be it.
I mean, Instagram said they were going to integrate NFTs, uh, but then security is a
problem.
Like after these hacks, it's like, uh, you'd see a lot of people who own NFTs and PFPs,
uh, and they, they're not putting their PFPs up because they don't want to connect their,
uh, wallet on everything.
Right.
Um, I think anyone who really like for X, it might not be a really key focus.
So it, this is where I'd bring revolving games, right?
Revolving games is not trying to do, let's say what a lot of people talk about.
Like, and portal is different, like in, in the sense that we're not talking about building
500 games.
We're saying we're going to make five games in four to five years and they have to be
massive.
Like though that adoption is a million daily active users or a million monthly active users,
depending on the genre, right?
You can't have a million daily active users in the Forex game.
So, so, so, so, so that in itself, when, when you own those games, when you, when, when you
build those games within an ecosystem, it's easier to make those decisions internally rather
than going and hard selling to others.
Once you're able to prove that product yourself internally, it's easier, uh, to go and sell.
Um, and, and if you go into gaming in general, you, you'll notice the fact that I want you
guys to tell me one game company that won without building their own game.
I don't know anybody.
Um, it took EA decades to build like a portfolio of games.
It took take two interactive decades to get where they are.
And with massive acquisitions, they acquired Rockstar, they acquired 2k, they actually acquired
everybody.
They didn't even build shit themselves.
They, they built the first class of games that made cash and they were smart enough to
get a P firm behind them and just acquire, acquire, acquire.
And that's where we're going towards.
Our treasury is going to be used to acquire games and revenue, which make real money.
What, what, what, what decentralizes, I would say screwed over, like people try to hype things
up by saying decentralized internet.
Sure.
We'll get there someday right now by fiat revenue as well, man.
I mean, that is really important for intrinsic value within the ecosystem.
You can't just say, I'm just going to build something.
It's going to be cool.
It doesn't, the business doesn't work like that.
Well, it's, it's like YOLOing on a coin hikes up and drops.
Sorry.
Go ahead.
No, I, I even seen that tweet this morning where you said somebody had tried offering
you $40 million for revolving games, you and your brothers.
And it's like, yeah.
In that, that instance, you're like, no motherfucker, I'm not done.
Like we're not going anywhere.
Um, so, so luckily for me, look, uh, I, I actually don't like saying all of that, but
in vet three, you also have to tell your story.
Uh, it's, it's, it's kind of like, you have to be a bit of an alpha out there and, and it's
fine.
Um, but, but I, we did that.
We were, we were lucky enough to have an exit.
I'm a third generation business.
So, I mean, I'm generally, I'd say I'm generous with how I think about money and finance.
Given my background and, and some early success, I started my first company when I was 12.
Um, I got a base level of income.
Like I don't fly private jets and all of that.
One of the reasons that I, it, and I, I don't think I ever will, even if I make a billion
dollars, the, the goal for me is, is essentially the impact, right?
It is not to essentially just drive up value for everybody, uh, that were like, are trying
to make money.
I, I, I believe any company that created impact, entertain people, uh, was thinking 10 years
ahead, really one.
And, and my pieces around, uh, NFTs, why I got into NFTs.
We didn't start revolving games as a web three company.
We pivoted one and a half year later, but I can say I bought a bit like my first Bitcoin
in 2013 and then I doubled down heavily by 14, but I majorly exited in 17, but didn't really
go heavy after that.
Um, but in short, um, I really, really feel the, the reason why we got into it is, you
know, when I was 18, I started a fund, um, that grew into $5 million at the time.
And that was a lot of money for me.
And, um, obviously it was my money.
I was investing it, but then 2008 happened and that was a disaster, but I learned so much
from it.
And, and, and one thing that I really, really wanted at that time.
And I couldn't was a Centurion card, like the American express one day when I got it,
I was like, yes.
And I was showing it to my brother, a friend's younger brother.
And he goes to me, what is that?
I'm like, what?
And, and then I showed him a board date that I had and he goes like, whoa, that is cool.
And then I realized it was like a moment where I realized that the young, if I have to bet
on the younger generation, it's going to be ownership.
They already live in a metaverse.
They're, they're focused on, on essentially the emotional connection they have is incredible.
If I have a billion dollars, I'm 38 or so.
So I would probably buy a Picasso.
I know this goes against what we're building, but my emotional attachment with a Picasso is
more than owning a digital asset myself.
But I truly believe everyone else is, is like growing up with iPads, graduating from Roblox, going
to Fortnite.
These guys are obsessed and digitally obsessed and they want ownership and they should get
So that's, that's really my dumbed down pieces.
So I don't know if you guys agree, disagree, but we'd love to hear thoughts and questions.
Yeah.
Uh, sicko, what's up, bro?
You got your hand up.
Hey guys.
Uh, Merry Christmas to everybody.
Merry Christmas, sicko.
Merry Christmas, man.
So I'm more, I wanted to ask you a couple of questions.
Uh, actually two questions, right?
Not, not to make it too long and, and also to pick your brain a little bit.
So I'm, I'm a gamer as well since I was made 10 years old.
I think I have all the consoles, Nintendo, PlayStation, uh, freaking Atari, Sega, you name
it, Xbox, all of those.
I could kick your ass in MK3.
My favorite game of all time, man.
I still remember the cheat code.
Sorry to cut you, go on.
So on all, on all, all that, right.
I always thought that gaming was a very personal experience for my case, right?
Because it helped me, I don't know.
It connects kind of like the, the things that I wanted to reflect in my childhood and, and
how do I, adventures and things like that.
Right.
And I like to solve puzzles and things like that.
So on, on that scale or in that, on that kind of thinking, do you think we're going to
see a gaming that is more, uh, sharing economy, like a social economy, like, uh, like Uber,
like Airbnb, do you think gaming can become like that?
Yeah.
It's, it's, it's, it's a great question, right?
When Axie was doing well, although it crashed and burned in many ways, um, we call it a gig
economy, right?
Um, I actually pitched that raising money, uh, two years ago, I literally said it's the
next gig economy, but, but to be very honest, it's, it's quite broken right now.
It's very hard to build that eventually moves towards a pyramid scheme.
Um, but if, if, if, if the core economy actually generates what is fiat currency right now, tomorrow
might be backed by Bitcoin, um, it, uh, there, there's a lot of complex things in this, but
for now, if there was a game that was making real money and it put price pressure on your,
uh, on your token, uh, where the rewards are tokenized, that is the path to go forward.
And that is what our ecosystem is going to be based out of.
And, and, and, and, and, and it's, it's, it's the incentives are obviously, uh, but it's,
it's not like you're, you're basically creating, you're pushing your price up.
What you're doing is you're giving your, uh, cryptocurrency, uh, sort of, uh, uh, intrinsic
value, I'd say.
So that eventually can result into real benefits for people who spend time playing your game.
But it's not going to be just like, oh, I'm saying this, it's going to happen.
It's going to take a lot of fuck ups to, to finally solve.
But you know, when you, when we make games and we build economies in the game, you often
see them change, the characters have certain powers.
They reduce them, game designers keep tuning them.
They're soft on sometimes a game for a year within the market.
Um, so, so all of that will keep happening and eventually that's where it'll go for sure.
No, I completely agree, man.
I can see, uh, a gig economy, like you're saying, being developed, maybe like you say,
the early stages and, and we don't know who the winner is going to be, but definitely.
Definitely heading that way.
Yeah.
I mean, yeah, go for it.
No, I was saying Airbnb and, uh, was like a joke when they were pitching.
And so was Twitch and who thought like kids are going to watch.
I'm sure there's some people here who watch gamers play.
Who thought that was going to be real, right?
If someone pissed that to me 20 years ago, I would have been like, are you kidding me?
So I'll give you a, I'll, I'll tell you a joke.
So I, I worked with Animoca.
We built a game called Astro Boy flight.
We built it.
They, they, they published it and we were actually bigger than Animoca at the time.
And this is 2013, my first company.
And, um, fast forward in 17, they reached out to me and they're like, Hey, you guys want
to work with us on, uh, a game, uh, which we're trying to build.
And there are these things called non fungible tokens.
And I wasn't really listening.
And I'm like, uh, so the guy's name was Sean.
And I was like, Sean, what the fuck are you talking about, man?
This is, I don't get it.
I don't want to do it.
Let's, I wish I had heard him.
We have been very, very early, but yeah, it was so, so, so to what you're saying, some
people might think it's crazy, but I think it's going to happen, man.
I believe, but there's going to be a lot of road bumps while, while we go.
So, yeah, for sure.
No, man, the second question is a more personal question in a sense.
So if you can choose between PlayStation, Xbox, or Nintendo, which one you choose and which
will be the best game that you kind of love it.
And you say, this is all we're going to learn is how big his hands are, man.
So unfortunately I pivoted to playing mobile games because I travel a lot.
I, like this year I've spent time in 10 countries and hotels.
So it's mobile is the only thing.
And this has been my life for 13 years.
So I'm not the best guy to answer, but if I had to pick something for old time's sake,
I loved Super Nintendo.
So, and I, I, it was very close to my heart, but game wise, like we, so like the founder
of Grand Theft Auto, Dan Hauser, who's the creative director, Sam and Dan are the brothers
who, who founded Rockstar.
They created, uh, GTA and he, he invested personally a very large check with us.
Uh, and my brother actually co-founded a company with him, but I pulled my brother back as we
were building two game studios.
We've announced one game Skyborne.
You guys might've heard the other one.
We haven't announced.
We're going to announce that in January.
Um, so yeah, I mean, I always go off track, but to your question, I think GTA five, like
I really love it, but I haven't played it in a while.
Um, and when I do play console, I try to, um, like just play whatever is anybody wants
to play.
So it's, it's, there's like Mario card is cool.
The, um, on to, uh, revolving.
So like you had mentioned, uh, Dan, I know I'm looking at one article.
I know you sent me one as well.
Um, I think up to date, you guys are over 30 million raised, uh, along with revolving.
It looks like that initial from Pantera was like your biggest, uh, bump of like a little
bit over 13 million and then, you know, everything else between Dapper labs and a Mocha, a bunch
of these other companies coming in and realizing what revolving games is wanting to do.
Like, is that even enough money?
Like, I mean, cause I know you guys are build first play later.
Like you're, you're, you're focused on the tech.
Um, like how does that give you a launch pad to like keep going and innovating and changing
things?
So as a founder, I'm always raising money, right?
Um, there's, there's things that we haven't publicly announced.
What I wrote on my Twitter is what I've announced.
Something you can back, right?
If I say something else and I haven't announced it, then it becomes complex.
Um, and, uh, it like my, no money is enough, but, uh, to what we're doing.
So I'll give you a breakdown.
We're about 140 people, uh, two game studios and a central team.
Uh, we, we have enough backing to build.
Our games are pretty much in shape to go to launch in Q2 next year.
Uh, so we're not like, Oh, we're five years from now building games, right?
Both games are pretty big productions.
Um, what, what's, what we need now and what we're raising for, and we have oversubscribed
attention on is essentially our ecosystem.
I want to bring in two to three developers.
We know a lot of them to essentially build one game from the Skyborne legacy IP.
Skyborne's becoming a real thing.
You know, like creeps is like a cult and I love how you guys are so close knit together.
Um, I, I, I, I imagine Skyborne to be like that.
And the, the community has been amazing.
I don't know if you guys know, our mint was free and our NXIVM gem is over at EAT.
Yeah.
I've seen that.
Yeah.
I mean, some folks have made and cashed out a couple of hundred K in a month or two.
It's been wild.
I love, I love the fact people have, uh, you know, one of our, uh, biggest holders sold
some and people panicked and sell, sold yesterday, uh, a little.
And I actually said, thank you for giving others.
I, I, because I, my background, by the way, is finance.
I mentioned the fund, but I, I actually appreciate hands changing because in the long run, that's
healthier than a few people holding a lot.
Um, it's, it's not that healthy.
Um, and I want more people to be involved.
Uh, but it is, it is, um, uh, I mean, what, what we've been able to achieve with our free
mint has created crazy hype.
I, I, I think for a NXIVM gem where we've started, where we are, it hasn't even started
because the, uh, I want that to be like the core of our, that's like the.
The ultimate loyalty pass that you have forever in our ecosystem.
If you, if we become a, like a big company, um, in the web three space where we deliver
the punches we want to, I think this, this would be something that will like, you know,
you, you'd be like, yeah, I was one of the early guys who saw this and I, I got this NFT
and this is like, this changed so much for me.
That's, that's how I see it.
And I see that because I've been a loyalty member of certain brands, certain things.
And they've like, for instance, something really lame, but I'll tell you, like, for instance,
I, I committed in my life to Emirates cause I would fly Dubai and, uh, San Francisco a lot.
And then an Amex and I, I want to utilize the point system that the American credit cards
and airlines have, and they're, they're, they're applicable globally.
I flew first class for six years without paying a dime.
I paid business, but first, and the difference is business is like five to seven grand, but
for, and this is eight times a year.
I would fly all the time first is sometimes between 25 to $40,000, right?
So I realized when you commit, the multiples are crazy.
And if you apply that in this web three ecosystem and what people are expecting, and if they're
patient and they're, they're not checking their floor price every three seconds, they should
be good.
Uh, that's, that's the experience we're trying to build.
Um, and, and, and I'm not trying to build something that, Hey, buy this and you'll get
rich, uh, fast.
But I do believe that if people believe in our vision, things are going to be, you know,
then, then we're going to, there's a long way journey to go up.
And fast.
And we're going to do things faster.
Like this community that we built has built so much momentum for me to be a snob with our
investors.
It's true.
Um, they, they, they, you know, it's, it's been a cruel, cruel winter for everybody.
Um, we went through our roughest patch was we raised about, uh, I don't want to say, but
it was North of 40 million separately.
And our lead investor was, you guys would laugh.
It was Tara Luna.
Oh my goodness.
And they crashed and burned two days later.
Um, I, I, I should mint those emails.
Uh, and, and, and, and, and it was brutal because that was, after that, the market didn't come
back.
Right.
Um, so, so for us that we've seen the worst and the worst, it affected us in terms of how
fast we wanted to move and build and execute.
Money does matter, but you know, 140 people, I, I, I often laugh at people when they're
like screaming at, Oh, this was a rug that happened.
Dude, did you even like research on LinkedIn?
This team was like eight people and they ended up raising like $50 million from you guys.
Are you, are you kidding me?
Like at least do the basic diligence.
Right.
And people just don't, I, I, I don't know what you guys think.
I'd love to ask you that question.
Oh, why doesn't that happen, man?
People don't research.
They, they always tweet D Y O R, but nobody does any digging.
Um, there's been so many links to things that like is happening with, with our project
with overlord, uh, and creeps and portal and all these things.
And nobody, everybody's like, Nope, that's not real.
That's like feed everything to everybody.
You do.
I still get people fucking linking their power retweets and dude, the portal.
It's over.
Stop linking your power tweets.
They're not giving you anything.
Yeah.
Yeah.
People just don't read.
They, they do not.
They just want to be spoon fed.
Like Kyle just said.
And unless you just show them a graph or an info, you know, something there to where they
can just briefly read like one sentence, then that's it.
They, they want the confirmation.
Like being able to walk people through stuff on a Twitter space helps.
Because people really don't want to read anything too lengthy and anything that involves a
lengthy explanation is just going to get slept on, on the timeline.
But you can walk people through some stuff in Twitter spaces that otherwise they would
not understand.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
Um, and we'll back when, in terms of, uh, sorry, go on.
No, no, no, no.
Go ahead.
You, you, you, you, you, you.
Yeah.
In terms of like, what are your expectations from the web three gaming space?
Um, in terms of, uh, like, like for instance, one of, uh, companies we partnered up with back
in the day, we terminated the partnership recently.
I don't want to name them.
They're pretty big.
Um, and I don't want to name them because there's, I don't want to bash them, but I
think they did a lot of things, right?
Uh, but where they went wrong was they were building like 40 games.
Like, how the fuck do you do that?
Building one game guys is so hard.
You guys have no idea.
It, it, it, imagine a bunch of creative people fighting.
Everybody thinks he's a game designer.
Everybody is in gaming.
Gaming doesn't pay that well.
Now it's like, if you want to want to talk to your talent, obviously you pay top dollar,
but those guys can like my head of engineering makes like, he, he's really well paid, but
he could make a million dollars a year.
How like he goes, works at Google.
He gets stock options, X, Y, Z.
They eventually end up with, with the, if you see the 10 year trajectory of any of these
companies, that's the expectation.
And they do it out of passion.
And now that guy, when he's doing it out of passion, he thinks he's the game designer.
Right.
And Boris, if you're here, I'm not bashing you, man.
I'm just saying.
Yeah.
I'm looking at Boris's name on your team and I'm like, damn, I need to go holler at Boris.
Yeah.
So, so, so, so, so, so the reality is that, you know, Boris is here with us, our front
end lead, who's incredible, Chase.
They're so passionate.
Sometimes they're like, guys, you're not the game designers.
Let them make the decision.
So it's like, it's chaos initially, which is why if you read my tweet, I mentioned, like,
it takes a lot of hard work to build a culture that has this cohesiveness around, like, understanding
each other.
And it's a well-oiled machine.
When I, you have to fail a few times to build this incredible game that becomes big.
Yes, there are people who've been lucky, but one of the most powerful things I learned
is, so I was speaking after the guy who built Pokemon Go and he, in Pokemon Go, everyone's
like, oh shit, this was so like simple.
He took the IP and it's big.
So the guy comes on stage and he's like, you know, I want to say one thing.
Everyone thinks I am a overnight success, but let me tell you, it took 21 years of hard
work to be an overnight success.
Because I freaking made, well, he didn't say freaking, but I'm saying it, he made Google
Earth.
And it is like, I was like, wow, okay, that's when his journey started, right?
Supercell is one of the greatest companies on mobile gaming ever.
And they, that team that built Clash of Clans, I don't know if you guys played it, it just
changed the dynamics of free-to-play.
Free-to-play was considered just like Web3.
It's a hit or a miss.
And it's complicated.
And when Clash of Clans came, they did a billion dollars in revenue and everyone's like, holy
shit, what's going on?
And that team had worked seven years before that.
So everyone's like, oh, these guys got lucky.
They copied a bunch of games and made that.
No, man.
They worked together for years.
They knew how to work as a team.
So one of the challenges you'll see is these founders that failed in the last bull run,
now they'll have trouble raising money, but good investors understand failure teaches.
And then they, now they know, because sometimes they hired the wrong people.
They couldn't execute a bunch of shit like that.
Then you get it right.
Like, you know, I've been, I've been reading a few founders tweeting this, like when someone
criticizes them, they're like, hey, how about you start a Web3 company and get everything
right, right?
It's so hard.
How we haven't gotten a lot wrong yet, but I'm pretty sure I often tweet, I've tweeted
under people who are like appreciating me.
Hey, remember me in the winter of 2028 when you hate me.
So, so, so, you know, I might have made a lot of people a lot of money with a free mint,
but, you know, tomorrow some people will buy at the peak and the market will crash and they'll
hate me for some reason.
I didn't do anything, but it's, it's a tough world out there.
Amar, to your point, you know, I believe the statistic is what 83% of mobile games fail
within the first three years of launch.
So like, you know, the numbers are not in your favor if you're a developer, you know,
to become successful.
Like as far as Web3 gaming models, like what do you, do you think it's going to take like
one Web3 game to be like wildly successful to give a model for all these other companies
to iterate on top of?
Do you think that's what is going to spark Web3 gaming?
Like, what are your thoughts on that?
Absolutely, absolutely.
I think one thing is, is one game can change the dynamic forever.
To your point, to what I was referring to as clash of clans.
And the other aspect of this is like, um, the challenge for big companies, you're like,
why aren't they believing it?
And maybe it's broken.
No, the thing is, their smartest minds are minting the money right now.
Um, they're like the, like, I know a lot of really successful game companies and their
senior leadership.
And they're like, man, how can we, when we're generating hundreds of millions in revenue,
real fiat currency, how can we tell our best minds to go build a Web3 game?
Why would we do that?
It's, it's too tough to do that.
And that's, that's when the new wave of new entrepreneurs make mistakes.
I think the first wave of failures is already there.
I like the con artists, the bad companies, most of them faded.
Uh, and the next wave is going to come out soon and they're going to make their own mistakes.
But sometimes we can get lucky one goddamn game and that, that will teach us a lot about
how the economy should be done.
How should this be done?
Um, our games are going to have real money in that purchases.
The core economy will be around that.
We'll have seasonal passes and the rewards around game progression and all of that.
And that, that allows you to buy NFTs, which, which are valued based on progression.
And then there, there's certain rewards for guild members, things like that, which is,
which is essentially the experience we don't want to take away too much because look, I
mean, creeps is what 10,000 people, our community, it's not even 10,000 holders might be 25%.
Our community is what, 13,000 NFTs.
I think it's around 2,500 as well.
So, so how many people are there, right?
Uh, web three is not that big.
So, so, so you have to convert people.
And, and I am very confident that'll happen because I remember people used to say, why
the hell would you pay in a game?
And you guys, I don't even know if you guys know how much people spend in the game.
I spend, uh, I spend a lot, bro.
I've had this conversation.
I played PUBG for years and I probably spent, you know, 30 between me and my ex-wife, probably
40 grand.
And I'll give you a PUBG example.
So I know the CEO of India, um, and they banned it in India.
They've unbanned it again.
Um, and I was following the Indian market for years.
We launched a game in India on mobile.
This is, I think, 2014.
We made $800 in India.
We were in the top 50 grossing.
I was like, what the fuck?
Right.
And, and in the U S if you're in top 50, you're making like 300 K a day.
So, so, uh, I was like, okay, this is, there's no point of focusing on India.
Now, PUBG makes 250 million.
PUBG was the first game that figured out payments in India.
So first you figure out payments, then you get people used to spending money.
So, so the gaming market is going to start, keep growing because right now you don't see
revenues that are either tracked or people don't have access.
Like credit cards in the second and the third world is a major luxury.
So payments is major luxury.
What's cool is web three.
I don't have the numbers, but I would assume crypto is more fast spreading than credit cards
in, in the second and the third world.
Meaning why?
Well, because the devaluation there, I'll actually get someone to research or get me
data on this.
This is a good point.
That's come up at least for a pitch.
Um, the, it really is easier, right?
Although I feel the seamlessness of payments is really annoying and gas fees are ridiculous.
It's like, uh, one of my friends, he powers master cards.
He's like a fintech, very big company in the web two world.
And he said, what are you guys fixing?
What are payments are like half a second.
You guys charge a thousand dollars in these gas fees that you call.
Right.
Well, he doesn't understand the decentralization whole push and what, what that means.
And this and that he's traditionally like 60 years old, but, but yeah, I think because
of the devaluation in the third world and against the dollar and what this whole currency
wars that's been going on for decades, I think the adaption there would be much faster for
web three.
And that's why we saw Axie scale up in that part of the world more than, because literally
in some countries owning Bitcoin is more stable than, than their own currency.
It's such a sad, sad reality.
Yeah.
And I mean, the way I see that, that, that portal is trying to do with their, uh, you know, their
wallet and trying to, uh, onboard people seamlessly is, I mean, it's definitely going to be a wide
variety of payments accepted.
Um, and it's all going to be seamless.
Just like you buy anything now, just like on Amazon, um, or, you know, anything of that
nature, but like, how does, how does revolve in.
So all your marketplaces, like, you know, even everything's on ETH right now, I'm looking
at NXIVM and I know there's two other collections below it, but even for future games, like how
do you, do you guys see yourself moving to a magic Eden or building your own marketplace
or utilizing, uh, something like portal, or, uh, that would allow you to have all this at
cheaper fees and, uh, easier access to where everything's in one spot.
Uh, this is a challenging things for folks that are offering these offerings because most
companies learned, there were a lot of companies that failed where let's say one of these companies
came in, gave you a grant or invested in you and you're like, for instance, Dapper and Polygon
invested in us.
I really liked Polygon, but we did not commit to building on Polygon.
Uh, we started a partnership and there were issues that I felt that were like they, they
had to technically do a few things, which they've done really well now, but at the time, the timing
was wrong.
So these challenges are going to come and go.
So eventually the biggest thing is games will hop from one place to another, which is actually
bad because for a company, it's painful for me to say, I'm on magic Eden.
I'm working with portal or I'm working with open loot.
I'm doing this, that, blah, blah, blah.
So it's like, I don't have a perfect answer for this right now, but it is going to be, you
will be hot.
You'll see companies hop around because no one's going to take restriction unless you give
them a lot.
Right.
Uh, we, we have a certain commitment for, I can like, now not announced, but it's not
unannounced right now, but I don't have any restriction, uh, or fear of saying anything
which we'll work against.
But for instance, we have a relationship with open loot.
We haven't announced that, but it's, it's essentially going to be what I like about open
loot in terms of a marketplace right now is the fact as a gaming company, when we launch
our gaming assets on the, that store, right.
Um, although our economy is being designed in a way where we might not be launching for,
for the shorter period of to medium period of the time.
Um, but if you do gaming assets should not have a floor price, they should, uh, because
if, if I have a bunch of, let's say weapons or like even like the rarities in, in let's
say the creeps collection, it's sometimes you've paid like, let's say five ETH and I don't know
where the floor is.
Maybe it's 3.2 ETH or something like that right now, it's not reflective of certain items and
it's, it becomes really complex in the gaming economy.
So, so it'll all change and vary.
And then whoever moves faster and nails it is going to win this race.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it doesn't matter.
It's all what someone's willing to pay, whether you got a rare gun skin or a knife or what,
you know, it's all matter of what.
Yeah.
But, you know, but the floor price does affect you mentally.
It fucks it up.
That's what I'm saying.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, in the days of us, even like the, the, the Skyborne, the one that's at one
ETH, um, you know, seed phrase said it a while back, the days of having a 10,000 PFP collection
are kind of gone.
It's moving to the, you know, the, the, the 50,000 plus collections that range from 20 bucks
all the way up to a couple thousand or even, you know, really high for rares, um, things
like that.
And I don't believe you need to be locked down to one marketplace because that doesn't help
distribution.
It doesn't help get your eyes on your project or your game, uh, your brand or your company.
100%.
A hundred percent.
Like people are like, why are you on blur?
You should use the new ERC seven to one contract.
I'm like, no, man.
Royalties are cool.
First of all, I haven't launched the game, so I'm not like super ambitious on royalties.
Like why should people pay before even utilizing our, our utility?
But the reality is that, okay, cool.
If I'm making some money, it's fine.
Uh, but I want to be on blur.
I want more people to get access to it, but people often like it's a broken market.
Like sometimes I'm seeing like people are going crazy about one token or coin and it's
like already at 30 billion market cap, but no, they want to buy it because it's 0.
0.002.
Nobody sometimes looks at the fricking supply, right?
Someone the other day was asking me, the gem is one ETH.
Okay.
It might be five, but I have this thing, which is at five cents and it can be one ETH.
I'm like, man.
Yeah, sure.
But are you seeing the fact that we're 3,333?
It's going to be limited forever.
And it's like one third of most collections.
And, and yeah, I'm going to market here a bit, but we're actually giving a free no
code, which is a big thing.
Plus we're the, there's a massive airdrop.
No, given our, our trajectory and our, what have you built, right?
It's all out there.
Our team, our airdrop, the value is like, it's very strong.
Um, and our community knows the fact that are, are essentially the, the intrinsic value of
our currencies based on what we've built and who our team is.
And that's what they're trying to value this.
And, and I really, really feel that we're going to be the next big.
Web three gaming company in terms of publishing and how our publishing model works is let's
say you're a gaming studio and you come to us and you want our IP or you want money.
We don't just publish a game and just say, Hey, take money.
And like, we'll announce, and this is going to create hype.
I don't want to do that because you're going to fail.
There's, there's a company you guys should research called Scopely.
They, we work with them in 15, uh, 14 actually.
And we learned so much from them.
There were just 12 guys.
Nobody understood what they were doing.
They just sold their company for 4.9 billion to the Saudis.
And now their, their, their game made a billion dollars in seven months.
So the Saudis have killed it on the acquisition.
Savvy games acquired them.
It's like a guy from Activision who's the face of the company, but it's backed by the
Saudi fund and they've launched Monopoly go that's done a billion dollars in seven months.
It's, it's, it's publicly announced.
So you can Google it.
What Scopely does is, and I love their model.
They have their own studios, but then they publish games and they don't just don't publish
games by spending money and wasting money.
They have a central team, which is marketing, user acquisition, and product design.
Product and design literally embeds themselves with the publisher, with the developer, builds
the game.
They go heavy.
Sometimes like a basic game that you feel can be created in two years takes four years
with them, but they are like in it to win it.
So they, they optimize, optimize, and they're all about user experience.
They have PhDs working on UX.
And then you have a central marketing UA team that scales.
And what's really funny is nobody talks about a product market fit.
Nobody talks about KPIs.
Like what's retention?
Nobody educates anybody on that.
And nobody talks about how will you scale the game, right?
Like you asked me, is money enough?
Do you know how much money it takes to scale a game?
That's where the real war chest is required.
But if you reach a product market fit, any good founder who has experience in raising money
can raise a ton on that.
But yeah, you should, you should ask those guys, like when, if you're investing any game
project and like, do not invest in any company.
This is my strong recommendation to you who calls themselves game spy.
They don't know how to make games.
I can guarantee you that.
So, so, so, if there's a real game company, they should be talking about their go-to market
strategy.
You don't throw a game and it doesn't get viral.
There are hundreds and thousands of games out there.
It's not going to happen.
Why don't you guys, you can probably build an app very quickly and using AI, launch a game
with a copycat name and throw it in the app store.
Google Play often approves apps.
Watch, nothing will happen.
You won't even get two downloads.
It doesn't happen.
You have to spend millions of dollars to scale a game.
Typically, if you hear the game made a hundred million, there is a shit ton of marketing that
went through it and very complex marketing.
So, so we, we've built that central team.
Our director of marketing, if you guys have played this RPG, Summoner's War scaled that
in the U.S. from zero to 360 million.
So we, we were always about building the right tools.
My Weepy of products sold a company for 110 million called Phoenix Age.
It, it's, it was acquired by Kabam, one of the biggest free-to-play companies of 2014, 15.
They started in nine.
They were, they built the game kingdoms of Camelot, a bunch of Marvel games, Marvel Strikeforce,
Contest of Champions.
Those were their games before.
And they made like, those games were making about a billion dollars a year.
And he, he, he built some of the core economies for it.
So in short, I, I'm talking a lot, but like our thesis is hire the best talent, give them
the right culture.
Don't be an asshole.
Empower them to do it.
I don't like to be the smartest guy, but I like to be at my best in the room.
Um, and that's how we execute.
Yeah, that's, that's exactly how the founders of creep, of creeps are.
They're like, we're going to assemble a team.
We're going to hire the best at each thing that we need, and we're going to let them create.
Now we're going to be there and give them some oversight and, you know, obviously check
in on things, but like they, they go after the best in, in the categories that they need
them, whether it's, uh, you know, devs or, you know, blender or whatever it is, um,
they're, you know, they're, they're hiring the best and just kind of stepping back and
letting them work, um, and, and build their product.
So, uh, back to where you were talking about nodes and real quick, before we go to nodes,
I just want to say, I could not agree more on your, your statement on the game five thing.
Like the point needs to be the game.
If there's any inclination that there's like some weird crypto financial side, it's just
going to scare everybody off.
Like the game needs to be good enough to attract people.
It's, it's like the digital asset thing.
People say, well, stop saying NFT, start saying digital asset.
No, don't say anything.
The game needs to stand on its own legs and be attractive to people.
And if you can turn around and sell stuff on the, because you are plugged in to that
level, that's great.
But like calling it an NFT.
No, no, no.
It's just a, it's a skin on your game.
That's it.
That's all anybody needs to know.
Otherwise it just comes off like a scam.
I could not agree more on your, on your game five thing, but anyway, back to the nodes
thing.
Yeah, no, I agree.
I mean, Jonah says it all the time.
He said, it doesn't matter what the fuck the graphics look like.
Doesn't none of that.
Like gameplay is essential.
It has to be a fun, playable game.
Otherwise nobody's going to play it.
What's the point in playing it?
Just cause it looks cool.
Yeah, absolutely.
You know?
Um, but yeah, back to nodes.
Cause in this community, um, there's a large conversation going on about nodes and what
they do.
Can you kind of give, uh, just educate everyone a little bit on what nodes are and like the
NXIV and gems and all that stuff.
Yeah, for, for us, the nodes essentially are key pillar of allowing us to eventually go
towards a decentralized, uh, ownership between our community, but it's going to be done in
steps.
And that's why we kept the AMA around that.
Um, we were working with incredible people, you know, I'm a game guy.
I understand web three really well, but I'm not like the guy who's designing tokenomics or
tokenomics are being done.
Let's say by Animoca.
I'm currently in London.
And actually I'm meeting up with them in a war room with them for three days.
Oh, the, the, the, the easiest way for me to educate people is you download this piece
of software that essentially we want to dumb it down to a point where you, it's a few clicks
and it runs on a cloud for you.
You pay the cloud fee or whatever it's negligible and then you get rewards.
And those rewards are essentially like, I don't want to say it'll make you money, but
what I'm trying to say is like, if the ecosystem is generating something, it eventually reaps into
you build, you making money.
So for example, I'll give you an example of Gala games, Gala started nodes and their nodes
eventually started selling for a hundred thousand dollars at the peak of the market.
Even if you bought a hundred thousand, those, those nodes mined their cryptocurrency, which
would be similar to what we're going to be doing.
And that cryptocurrency was about 700 coins that they generate roughly.
And then half of that went to the treasury, which was allocated to investments and whatever.
And you had a vote to vote yes or no on that investment.
And, uh, the rest you kept.
So those three 50, if the tokens go up, so you're making those three, like everybody was
like YOLOing at that time.
And they're like, Gala will be at a dollar.
So three $50 a day was about 10 K.
So eventually like, you're like, Oh fuck, I'll make 120 K.
But even at this price, I think you make like five, six grand.
So you're actually beating the bank.
Uh, then their nodes weren't transferable.
Um, our nodes are not going to be transferable beyond the NXIV and gems.
What, so our nodes are currently given like, so our DNA is gaming 140 people to massive game
studios, about 55 and 70 people.
And then a central team and our ecosystems way ahead of where Gala was when they launched.
And then, then they went on like the crazy, like $10 billion market cap and all of that.
Given all of that, our node system, we believe is going to be valued at par on, in a bull market.
I'm talking purely bull.
So we're giving our nodes free to the NXIV and gems where this is why people are like,
Holy fuck.
There, there are a few people who are up a couple of hundred K.
Some have profited and left.
There, there's one guy who's up a million and he hasn't sold.
He, he, it's really funny.
I don't know him.
I've communicated with him.
I had one call with him and a couple of other guys, they reached out to me just to understand
the vision.
He's up a million dollars right now.
He tweeted.
And I was like, yeah, I was like feeling so proud.
He tweeted, I'm up a million dollars right now.
Here's my wallet.
Here's everything.
He broke it down.
And he's like, I am betting big on revolving games.
And I'm going to make a 10 figure wallet in public.
I think that's, I think that's grail.eth that you're talking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And you know him, man.
I can't buy him.
I can't like, you know, when he has, when he has conviction and something, he did the
same with Valeria games and Mito and them over there.
I'm not sure if you know who that is.
And, uh, he bet big on those guys and it paid off.
And, um, yeah, I've been seeing him buying up like everything Skyborne.
Yeah.
And I was like, but, but for me, this statement was so cool and powerful.
And he's like, I am going to build a 10 figure wallet in public on rolling games.
I'm like, fuck.
Yeah.
That's great.
Um, because he understands the math.
He actually broke it down.
And I, as a founder, I'm never going to give financial advice.
Um, but, but, but the reality is, you know, uh, what, what some people are seeing is the
fact that what are their comps, right?
If you're investing, let's say if you're investing in a company, you're looking at what are their
comps in crypto, you're going, you're trying to buy NFTs and speculation, but speculation
in this bull market, I believe will be better than the last one where not every coin is going
to be YOLOing to like 50, 500 X.
So, so, so you got to go with some, some particular diligence around the team and then everything
will go up.
Right.
So, so, so everybody's like, okay, these guys might be the next Axie.
They might be the next gala and they actually have games and the founding team in general,
like the product design engineering is like legit.
And, you know, I was actually researching a bunch of companies.
I'm not going to name them.
They're doing pretty well.
They have like five guys.
I'm like, what are they doing?
They're cool guys.
How are they going to ever execute?
They're smart, but smartness, guys, try to build a team and you'll know how hard it is,
which is why, like, so to your question, when you're talking about the 40 million, someone
asked me, was this pre-revenue?
I said, yeah, they were buying the team and the tech.
When they looked at our team and they started working with us, they're like, holy shit, this
is so hard to build.
Let's just acquire them.
And that is, and it was web three, web two is more conservative.
Those companies are well-oiled.
They can build those teams faster.
And web three was harder, which is why we were getting that offer without any revenue.
Because people understand building a team is hard.
Tech is hard.
And then convincing that team to work in the web three is really hard.
I had to inspire my team, not tell them, you better fucking build this game.
I had to inspire them to really believe in what we're building.
Because if they're just making it for money, it's going to be a failure.
Well, and that's 140 plus.
And you're still hiring.
Because I was on your website just checking stuff out.
And it said you're still hired.
So you're still going.
Yeah, man.
Our website is so shit.
I hate it.
We're so busy.
We haven't even updated.
And that speaks of the fact that we haven't even made that cool web page.
Because we're like, fuck, man.
We've been so exhausted building that, you know, that's the last thing.
But, you know, I was telling my co-founder he might work on it.
He's getting free from one of the key things he's been doing.
And I'm like, man, just do it.
Because a lot of people might get turned off from, it's not cool enough.
And it's not.
The Skyborne web page is cool.
I like it.
It could be better.
But we haven't even focused there.
No, Skyborne is you, right?
Skyborne is y'all baby.
You've created Skyborne.
That's completely your game.
Yeah.
And you're going to see the next game looks dope, man.
It is fantastic.
It's bigger than Skyborne on what the potential is.
We've to date invested.
We've gotten some capital before, which we haven't announced.
To date, we've invested about 18 to 20 million.
I don't know the exact number right now.
But I'd say the bottom line is like maybe 17.
But it's more than that.
What is your tech and the tools?
And it's going to be used.
Yeah.
What is your general turnaround time?
Like on a, I mean, obviously you can't put a time frame on it.
But is it two, four, six years?
Like what?
Great question.
The second game that we're going to announce typically takes four years to build.
But we built our core tech around mapping, real time.
All, if you look at Boris's profile, like you were mentioning, Boris built Photon, which is used by 100,000 people.
So 100,000 indie developers because they can't build real-time tech.
So he built that in 2008 as the architect, chief architect.
And now we built our own.
So all of, because we can't risk being on top of another technology in that sense.
We're, although the front end, we built over Unity because we're mobile.
And we've helped ourselves reduce two years of development time for strategy games.
So let's say, let me talk about failure, right?
If you fail with our second game, it doesn't scale.
We don't have to take another four years to build it.
We can iterate, change the IP.
In two years, we can launch another one.
Those games, if they scale, there's no 4X strategy game that's been successful that makes less than 100 million.
And at peak, you can make 1.5 billion.
So one of the games that's really big, it makes, I think, about 900 million on mobile only, is Rise of Kingdoms.
I don't know if you guys have heard of it.
It's a fantastic game.
You should try it.
It's by Lilith in China.
And then the Skyborne legacy.
So we're building Phoenix Flight.
We're going to launch it.
I don't want to give a date, but I think Q2 will be pretty launchable.
Maybe earlier for beta and all of that, what we're saying, we're going to show it to the community in January to play.
It's playable right now.
It looks pretty neat.
And then we have an MMORPG for Skyborne that's going to come soon, which is going to be announced.
That will be a longer period of development time.
But so I've given you a lot of detail, but it's so hard.
It's genre-specific.
It's text-specific.
So you have to really break it down.
But our goal is, with the genres we're hitting, it should not take more than two-year cycles if that game fails to scale to the levels we want them to fill.
And one thing we're doing, by the way, it's very hard to acquire good gaming companies because those guys don't like getting acquired.
We're in talks to potentially acquire as well.
I want to bring in revenue right off the bat when we launch our tokens.
Reason?
Because why should I just keep all this build when I can acquire?
Why shouldn't I do what Web2 companies do effectively?
And our crypto or tokenization or whatever strategy does not affect user experience in games right now.
What I'm going to announce on the AMA around revolving games is Byte.
I think it's groundbreaking for people who...
Like, if you own a node and you play our games and then you own our Byte, you're just going to freaking be like, holy shit, this is an amazing ecosystem.
I don't want to talk too much.
I want to deliver first.
But I am super hyped.
So the Byte program that you're going to be announcing is separate from the nodes or they all...
They're just connected?
Absolutely separate.
But they have overlap in terms of...
I created the Byte from what the node is, but the Byte is more gamified, game-focused.
Node is more crypto-focused, if that makes any sense.
Yeah.
So revolving games...
Okay, I'm going to tell later, but you guys might be the first one to get a piece of...
Like, a Byte of the Byte.
But it's like, just imagine owning a piece of our cloud in the game server and what that could have led to your imagination flow.
Oh, wow.
Okay.
So it's kind of like the plague, what they just did with giving up...
Yeah.
And that's our first freement.
And if you own an Xeon gem, you have a first-class ticket to VIP on the white list.
You're about to see a bunch of creeps.
I don't know.
These creeps are going to go start dropping.
Don't creep on creeps.
Hey, man.
Don't pump the price up, okay?
You're going to see some creeps start flooring shit to go buy some NXIVM.
Sicko, what's up?
They're not more than 124 available, man.
So if someone sweeps 124, that's it.
We're at 20 ETH, and that's it.
Game over.
Yeah.
A hundred of them right now, if anybody's curious, a hundred of them right now is 186 ETH.
That's not much.
That's it.
That's it.
411K.
Like, you know, Amir said you're going to 20X that.
Grail is...
I didn't say you're going to 20X that, but Grail says he's going to build a 10-figure wallet.
So, yeah.
Holy shit.
Well, hey, he's done some things that he said he's going to do with other projects.
So, I mean, I wouldn't put it past them.
Sicko, what'd you have, bro?
Yeah, I just wanted to ask.
So, Amir, don't you think having the Spot Bitcoin ETF and probably the Ethereum one in May or March,
and also the U.S. kind of certifying the fair accountability standard for next year on December,
don't you think it will help a lot on bringing into the space, especially to crypto,
becoming more legitimate in that sense, more...
100%, man.
I think CZ was removed.
This is my conspiracy theory.
CZ was removed or he made a deal because they want to pave the way for crypto.
If you look at...
Is it BlackRock or Blackstone?
I think it's BlackRock, the largest fund in the world.
Yeah, BlackRock.
BlackRock CEO used to say, crypto is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
And suddenly, he's changed the narrative and they're talking about the ETF.
They're paving the way, getting the slightly notorious people out.
The new guy is a whole different face for Binance.
He understands all...
He's all about regulation.
So they're paving the way, and this is why we're seeing this frothy market.
And I'm hoping the bull market comes before, right?
But, you know, what's hard, and this is my advice, is the bull market eventually...
Nobody ever got...
Some people got lucky, but nobody got a serious amount of wealth just YOLOing on random shit
and trading.
It's always been going big on the Warren Buffet theory.
And it's like Warren Buffet made billions in years.
I believe if you do the right diligence, you will lose less money.
Because the ROI is mostly the same in everything if you get in early.
But when you can't sell at the top.
So I believe that buying the right companies will give you the same ROI, but your loss protection
is so much better in a shit market, right?
Like, for instance, Polygon didn't crash and burn, right?
Solana crashed because of frickin' FDX.
That was just out of the blue.
That was crazy.
But Solana is back, right?
If there's any other shit coin, it would have been shit right now.
There's no way it was coming back.
So when a shit coin died, you're dead in the water.
No, I completely agree, mate.
Completely agree.
Does it really help, or are you seeing more individuals or developers from Web 2 migrating
or finding some interest in Web 3?
If everybody's talking about it, it takes a lot of balls to do that if you're successful
in Web 2.
But I do see a new wave.
But then there is always a wave of people that change things, right?
If something blows up, if fintech, for instance, becomes seamless and it gets regulation and
KVIC is done well, I mean, everybody would follow, right?
Banks, credit cards, who knows, will start getting backed.
I'm sure there are, by Bitcoin or Ethereum.
The challenge is obviously the speculative market.
It's like, for instance, imagine you run a company, right?
And you have payroll.
You have to pay it in fiat right now.
Because you can't keep Bitcoin if that's your payroll money, right?
You can't tell someone, okay, I hired you at $200,000 and now I'm going to pay you $60,000
because the market crashed.
It doesn't work like that.
Once the market becomes more stable in certain currencies, I think it'll be better.
And that's the roundabout answer I can give you.
You good there, Sicko?
You got that?
Yeah, I know, man.
I mean, it's really wonderful to talk to you, man.
Very, very interesting.
Yeah, no.
Absolutely, man.
Great talking to you as well.
Yeah, it's been great.
Learning, definitely learning a shit ton.
With this tweet you put out on Christmas, is there any other insight to this key technology
partner you can give us?
You know, I've seen like Layer Zero recently tweeted some stuff about the network they're
building and then all the nodes and people that are going to be running those as well.
I think the speculation there that started is not correct.
I'm not going to say much, but there's a lot of collaboration, deep collaboration we're
planning, and that could be more aligned with the speculation out there.
So that's the most diplomatic answer I can give you.
All right.
That answers that.
Everybody go away.
Yeah.
But on the other hand, there is like, what I would say is the collaboration is like, I
answered this in a different way earlier, like the collaborations will happen.
It's the pressures on other teams.
They're trying to onboard developers.
They have to really build or you can sign one, but that doesn't mean that team is going
to work with you unless you really, really execute on something groundbreaking.
That's the biggest risk and challenge to do that.
And we've seen that everywhere.
Like, for instance, we signed a deal with Magic Eden, not signed it, sorry.
We committed a deal to Magic Eden, and then we launched our free men on OpenSea because
they came in and they're like, we're going to do this, this, this, this, this for you.
And I told Magic Eden to do that.
They didn't do that at the time.
And I didn't know those guys.
But now a friend of mine is like their chief gaming officer.
And he's like, I can't believe we didn't do that.
We'll do this.
And so that, like, for me, if I'm not committed to anybody, then that commitment can change
based on my business requirements.
And then if you're managing 500 companies, it's so hard to manage everybody's expectations,
right?
So those are the challenges people will face.
And, but, you know, strong entrepreneurs win.
So, well, I mean, there's a lot of people.
Bet on the entrepreneur, man.
Yeah.
I mean, with the hype going to Web3 Gaming, there's a lot of people making a shit ton of
claims.
We're building the next big this, the next big that.
I know, you know, you're on Twitter.
You've seen PortalCoin.
You may know more about PortalCoin than we do in the background.
We don't know if there's ever going to be anything with Revolving Games or PortalCoin.
But, like, the ambitious thing that they're doing is trying to bring, obviously, this
wallet, this seamless wallet.
They have, you know, they're trying to bring the social fi aspect, bringing in streamers.
It's like just a one-stop shop for Web3 Gaming.
And it's very ambitious with what they're actually doing.
You know, and they actually have another co-founder of Rockstar Games.
Jamie King is an advisor.
They're bringing in the head of Team Secret.
He's an advisor.
Hold on, hold on, hold on.
What?
It was down there.
We got to say former co-founder.
Hey, hold on.
It doesn't make any sense, Jonah.
That sentence doesn't make any sense.
No, I'm just, I'm sorry.
I know.
Well, I mean, hey, Amir has Dan Hauser.
He's also another co-founder.
Him and his brother of Rockstar.
So like when you see those ambitious things like that, I like, you guys know I like Jonah.
I'm just playing with him.
How do you, how do you look at something like that as far as portal coin and what they're
trying to do?
Have you done a dive on that?
I personally believe you should back ambitious founders.
But if I was to take a step back and think, will they be able to achieve?
So what I always do is, even with myself, the vision has to be really big.
And then you'll fall because it's so hard.
But eventually, if it lands to a place where you're still able to be successful, is good
enough.
That's, that's how I would value it.
I, like, I really feel someone will, like, you guys should watch this movie called, I think
the series called Super, Super Pumped.
I forgot.
It's on Uber, right?
Um, it's, it's a different way to answer this question.
So when Travis Kalanick was raising money for Uber, he was asked a bunch of shit questions
like it's never going to happen, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
So the guy who backed him, he went to his team and one of the guys said something which
is very standard in the Silicon Valley, but people often forget that.
Like, ideas are, like, the same idea has been taught by 5,000 people.
Believe it or not, I thought about the airdrop myself.
I was like, James, give them the goddamn airdrop.
Turns out every motherfucker has done that.
And I was like, fuck, okay, shit, you can't come up with a new idea.
In Vet3, you just can't.
Imagine, I'll be like, the Byte program.
They're like, yeah, sure, this is a new, I'll find out most likely.
But, but, um, Travis, they said, you know, someone's going to do it.
Bet on the guy who's going to do it.
That is always my advice.
If you feel that is the team and you guys are such an incredible community and team,
then go for it, because that is, that answers all your problems.
I have invested in various companies, first check.
Like, first check is very hard, and I'm not, like, a billionaire.
And I always bet on the founder.
And I often did not read their decks, because you know why?
Those weren't big checks.
I invested $25,000 up to $100,000.
The goal was, this is what I said to those guys.
I was like, I don't need to see the deck, because your deck is going to be just a story.
You don't know how difficult the ride is.
But all I believe is, you will keep at it till you win.
And that is how I would describe you guys should be thinking.
There's, like, everybody's painting their own story, and someone's going to fucking mint.
So, yeah, that's just what I would say.
Okay.
I do have another question, because we've had limited information on this.
And this is, you know, specifically for Overlord.
You do know I'm not their co-founder, right?
Yeah, yeah, no, I know that.
I know that.
But you are the co-founder of Revolving Games.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or am I wrong?
Pick my brain.
Yeah.
Did the boys not announce already Revolving Games as being developing one of the creeps' games?
That's where I'm going at, so.
Yeah.
I assumed you guys were working on an MMORPG already for us.
I don't have any comments you should ask, Joe and Dom.
But there's a lot of speculation around it, a lot of information, a lot of things.
But we'll have those conversations probably more openly in the next six to eight weeks, I'd say.
Nice.
Does that tweet at the top that's pinned at the top, does that have anything to do with you,
or is that someone else from Dom?
Which tweet?
It's pinned at the top.
It's the last pinned tweet from Dom, co-founder of SuperDuperOverlord.
Last?
PortalCoin.
Yeah, it's the.
So it's SOMO.
No, no, no.
Go to the very, all right, go to the very first one, then you see it.
Today I met our, no, that's not us.
Okay.
All right, cool.
Yeah.
Funny, I am in London right now.
I am in London right now.
I have an apartment in London, so I work and operate out of here often, but it's more focused
on Animoca.
Yeah.
Animoca is a great team.
They're a bit scattered sometimes, but they operate like a PE fund more than a gaming company,
and I'll often say that to them.
Well, they're throwing money around just all over the place, right?
Like, I mean, it seems like everywhere I turn, Animoca's backing everything.
Yeah, those boys have some deep pockets, that's all.
Yeah, Animoca is who believed in the vision of decentralization, right?
And they're one of the guys that really, really believed in NFTs.
Like, I mentioned that story where I was like, what the hell are you talking about?
Through their VP of product.
They are the OGs of this.
They, I think they've been very generous.
I wouldn't troll them on the fact that, and I often am very critical of our partners and
ourselves.
I would say they've been very generous for the ecosystem.
Often they've given companies that are like, why are you investing?
Although they wouldn't agree with the statement, but I feel it's for the bigger betterment of
the ecosystem.
Often they've done that.
Often they want to push entrepreneurs, push companies to be really vet three driven.
And they've backed some of the best companies built in the ecosystem.
Axie, I still feel is a great company.
They'll figure it out.
They have a watcher, the back sandbox, the bad dapper, some have messed up.
I think where people messed up and it's like, maybe they should also invest in like executive
coaches.
I think that would be a great business for web three because when the fricking money comes,
you need people to have stability and stop smoking their own shit, right?
That you really, really need to know how to keep focused on a vision.
It's really hard because the money comes too fast, right?
In, in, in, in vet three.
And that's, that also destroys companies.
I don't know if you guys believe that or understand that if you've been founders, you'd understand
when the money comes so fast with less hard work than what web two is a consistent grind.
Um, it can be very challenging and very hard to overcome.
Yeah.
Well, at least you have your brothers there to smack you around, I guess, in case you get,
in case you get out of line.
Luckily, I, I, I built two companies before I said no to money multiple times and the acquisition.
So, so, and that was the whole point for me to bring that up is I put my money where my mouth is.
And I said this earlier in this, I, I believe I did was my lifestyle isn't going to change with money in the future.
I, I, I, I, I, I'm of the fact that I would not wear Gucci or like some designer brand.
I like to be very simple because I want my talking, my confidence comes from talking.
I, I tell you something really interesting.
This happened with my brother.
But I was growing up a little more flashier than my brother.
I'd buy a watch and this and that.
And my brother never bought anything flashy.
So he once finally bought a luxury watch and he was wearing it a few times.
And he's like, man, fuck it.
I'm never wearing it.
I'm like, why?
He's like, you know, I used to go out for dinner and I'd be confident with my Apple watch and this and that.
And now, uh, and I'd be like, you know, people are talking to me for me and what I'm talking about.
And now I'm like, this guy is talking to me because of my watch.
Get it?
It was really strange.
And I was like, wow, that's like a really deep thing.
It's hard to learn just by hearing it.
I don't look down on anyone.
I have watches.
I wear them.
But do you understand the psychology?
It's very, very interesting.
Yo, I totally understand.
I was with a friend IRL and he had a, some 1979, uh, um, uh, Rolex on and I'm wearing my Apple watch and like people are just like perceiving him in a different light than they are me.
And I'm like, I guess I'm just some little cheap ass sitting here next to a guy with a, uh, you know, a hundred thousand dollar Rolex on.
But you guys can afford Apple watches.
Yeah, bro.
Um, I sold the top of RA in case you didn't know that.
But you know, when, when you start making it and making it as perspective, it's like, do you know why I'll ask you guys, do you know why Silicon Valley is the heart of tech?
Hmm.
Because there's everybody's richer.
Like you meet, there might be a guy who's actually looking homeless, although there are too many homeless there.
It's a big problem in the city, but you find someone richer than you every time, every day, no matter what you've done.
If you're, you're like, fine, I made a billion dollars.
There's fricking Zuckerberg.
There was a must there.
There's a, it's, it's too competitive.
So money is not an object there.
You barely see Ferraris or Lambos or any flashiness around you.
Everything is how smart you are.
So my life changed when I went to San Francisco and started living there.
I was going there for 14 years, but I used to spend two, three months a year when I moved there.
It just, I just evolved into a different person.
I started waking up 5 a.m., 4 a.m., going for my walks, going in the nature, being very different to what I used to be when I would be traveling.
When I'd be in Dubai, it's flashy.
It's like Las Vegas without drugs.
But the buildings are definitely on drugs.
But, but the reality is that I, I, I learned that when I was hiring some of these guys who were like so smart, I had to be at my best.
So I, I would wake up early because I had to get that flow of energy, that the creative thoughts, the meditation going.
When I'm in that room, I didn't have to be the smartest because I couldn't be the smartest game designer.
But I had to be the best of myself and learn every day.
So I, I, I would barely ever have a drink.
I would just be in it.
So that culture resonates in every goddamn company and founder because it's, it's cutthroat on talent.
I can't retain people if I'm not a visionary because they will go to someone else who they believe in.
Uh, and that, when that, when you get into that mindset, everything becomes not important.
When you, when you, when, when, when I do an AMA and people are happy and I see results, uh, if I see a sweep right now, I won.
I'm joking, but, but, but, but, but the reality, do you, do you understand what I'm trying to say here is, is, is really like when you, when you can, when you, when your brain succeeds, it's the highest, so different to getting respect from elsewhere.
So it's very, very inspirational, that ecosystem, which makes you so successful there.
Um, and they're like, because of code, this, this is more widespread now.
And there are different ecosystems developing in different cities, which is phenomenal to see.
Where, where in six months, like the next cycle, nobody knows when shit's going to really fire off, but where do you see revolving games amidst the, the, the,
crowd of people?
Like, I mean, there's a shit ton of people.
I'd say in 12 months, I can be very confident in a bull market.
Look, if the market goes to shit right now, we're going to have challenging times.
We're going to be like under the hood again, building, building, building, and the, our work will speak for ourselves.
But, you know, hype market, blah, blah, blah.
I think we're going to be the, we're going to be the most spoken about company.
You know, I can get any article written anywhere, any publication.
I know most people myself.
I don't even need to hire a PR company.
Well, I actually didn't want to do it.
We, we, when we announced, I told my guy and the PR companies were so shit.
I had to email people myself.
We never, we, by design, did not market ourselves.
But now we're set up, man.
We're ripe, ripe to be out there.
And we have a whole plan for 12 months.
I think we're going to be amongst the top.
All the top winners around game companies that were in VAT3, whatever the top names were, Gala, Axie, Animoca.
Animoca is, like, the valuation and VAT is very different.
Like, there's a, there's a whole PE, private equity strategy.
But if you're talking about Animoca as, like, Moca Wars and some of their projects, which are, like, purely Animoca, I think we're going to be ahead of them in that.
And, and, and purely based on how deep and big and what we are trying to explain to web, sometimes I'm marketing and sometimes I, I, I've done, I've been active for three weeks only.
And there's so much I have, like, my followers are growing, my interactions are growing.
Before, if I would tweet, I'd get, like, two views in, like, five hours.
Now it's, like, a couple of thousand.
And in just three weeks, this is happening because what our strategy is, like, just give the vision, man.
Like, stop fucking creating hype.
Sometimes do that.
You need marketing and user acquisition.
But what I want is when someone buys into our project, NFTs, and they're, like, really appreciative of what we're building, they believe in the vision and they forget trading and they're in it for the long run.
And that is, and I believe we'll have more and more and more people like that.
So, yeah.
I will close.
Oh, we lost you.
You must have got a phone.
Sorry.
Yeah.
I, I, I'm going to take one more question and I have a 6 p.m.
So, guys, shoot.
Kenny, Kyle, do you have any last questions?
Sicko?
Anybody?
Dude, I'm an idiot.
Most of this whole conversation went totally over my head.
I'm not going to lie.
But, hey, I'm a, I'm a believer.
You made me a believer.
No, I, I just want to say, you know, like, huge fan of revolving games.
What you guys are trying to do, you know, you're at the forefront of the battle, in my opinion, of Web 2 versus Web 3 gaming and really trying to, you know, bring Web 3 gaming mainstream, you know.
So, I'm a huge fan of you guys.
You've got our entire community backing you.
You know, we're excited to see what you guys accomplish.
And I'm excited to see the journey and how it all folds out, you know, plays out.
You know, obviously, your background and your expertise in the industry is going to go a long ways for you guys.
And, yeah, just wish you all the best success.
And we're here for it.
We're going to be with you guys every step of the way and root you on.
That's amazing, man.
And I, I, I am telling you guys, this is, like, not to be just nice.
I, I love how funny, especially, you know, when I was a child, I wanted to be a comedian.
My dad said, fuck you, you better be an entrepreneur because we're third generation entrepreneurs.
But, but, but the reality is, like, you guys are super funny.
Like, the kind of, like, someone wrote, um, uh, it's basic, but someone's like, are these two founders around our AMA, Jom and Doe?
And I'm like, okay, that's, that's hilarious.
That was me, that was me, Amar, and I'll tell you right now, being an entrepreneur is paying a lot more than being funny.
I can promise you that.
Yeah, absolutely, absolutely.
But, uh, it's, it's been great chatting with you guys, man.
I, I love the enthusiasm and the power of your community.
I've always said that to Joe.
Joe's been my friend for a while.
Uh, but, but, but, I mean, regardless of what we see as our collaborations in the future, those guys would announce that in their community.
And, you know, that's their job.
But, uh, for us, uh, we're building, man.
And it's, it's lovely that you guys invited me.
And I'm glad.
I think it was another community channel where I could give a Christmas gift.
That was fun.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, that was cool.
Juice is actually, no, no.
Juice won from somebody else.
Yeah, I don't know what the hell.
This guy's running around getting free money from everybody.
But, no, that's why, like, we didn't even want you here for that.
We want to know more about Web3 Gaming.
Um, there has to be multiple winners from different aspects.
We're not giving away any money?
No, I'm not giving away shit, bro.
You don't, you're not even going to win in the giveaway that I have coming up.
So, um, but there has to be more people winning in Web3 Gaming for this to succeed.
There can't just be one.
Yeah, I, I, like, for instance, I love the fact, so the other day, um, what's his name?
Exterio, uh, Overworld, right?
Yeah, yeah.
Those guys, Jeremy, right?
He, I've known him for eight years.
He's been in game dev.
And I love the fact that he was in his Discord.
Someone asked about us with him.
And he's like, man, I completely vouched for those guys.
And then that screenshot went viral in our community.
And I love that.
I just messaged him on Telegram.
And I was like, man, thanks for saying that.
Because sometimes, you know, founders get jealous of each other because they're competing in some way.
Uh, but Web3, I've seen good founders are sharing information they shouldn't even be because it's, it's, uh, like, everyone needs to help each other win.
And, uh, it's too early.
It's too early.
It's, uh, exactly.
The more everybody wins, the more the space wins, bro.
The more we grow together and we bring in all these people.
If we're in here fighting 10,000 people screaming at each other, like nobody wants to come to that shit.
Yeah.
So let's all get along.
Let's win for, for, uh, the long run, man.
Exactly.
And yeah, eventually, hopefully in 10 years, we'll see decentralization.
Yeah.
Uh, but you know, uh, last thing I'll say is I, some people actually did that when bit, I started recommending Bitcoin when it was 400 to people.
I got in, I think around 200.
I don't remember, but, uh, so, so they would be like, what I would say you will, the, the biggest problem for you guys should be not, not buying Bitcoin.
You, you'll get over it.
There's other investment instruments.
Right.
But one thing that you can't, you, you'll regret is when your kids ask you, dad, what the fuck are mom?
Were you sleeping, right?
So, so anyone who's not believing in that three and misses the boat, uh, like people missed the boat when tech was like, is internet going to be a real thing?
This is, this is the time where don't fuck up.
Yeah.
Believe in it.
Right.
For sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I, I like what you guys are doing.
So, uh, real quick, I know you got to go.
Um, this AMA, is that going to be in your discord or is that going to be on Twitter?
Or it's going to be on Twitter spaces.
Okay.
Well, yeah.
Whenever you get that link, man, drop it.
My DMS, um, anybody that doesn't have notifications on that way I can, um, you know, retweet it.
We can all retweet it.
And my, my, my community manager, uh, was celebrating Christmas and I decided to like push for this and get this shit done.
So I will get them to push the information out on our socials tomorrow.
Yeah.
Tom, Tom, tighten up.
Let us know so we don't have like 80 crazy lizards crawling around your space, you know?
Yeah, man.
You guys are really creeping on everything, man.
Keep it easy.
Next thing I know, someone's creeping out my door.
All right, guys.
Yeah, bro.
I had a great time with you and really appreciate that you guys give us the respect.
And we, we feel the same way about you guys.
I wish you guys the best in this community to win, win, win.
Yes, sir.
No, thank you.
We appreciate it.
Yeah.
And you're welcome back anytime, man.
You got any updates and it's not an AMA or whatever.
Come, come holler at us.
Yeah.
You got my, yeah.
You, you're in my DMs.
You slid in there or I did.
I don't remember, but let's keep in touch.
Yeah, we'll do.
Just don't hit on me, man.
Yeah, I am single.
No, I'm not going to hit on you.
We're good.
I'll send Kenny your way.
He's, he's, he's the slick one here.
All right, buddy.
Take care.
Appreciate it.
Thank you so much.
Have a good one.
Bye.
You as well.
So, all righty.
Well, there we go.
Asked, answered, somewhat, danced around, went around quite a bit of stuff.
I don't, you know, from him talking, I don't think his announcement is anything to do with
Portal Coin or Overlord, but I don't know.
He said, if anything's announced with our founders, they'll announce it within our community.
So, yeah, he was, he was going around about things in a very roundabout way, not really
giving too much information, but we'll see.
I mean, there definitely is some connection and I guess we'll get more light.
Yeah.
I mean, he said him and Joe were friends.
They're friendly.
So they obviously talk.
He did say that the tweet from Dom up there was not him.
So that's interesting.
He is in London now.
What else?
I mean, they are doing some cool shit over there.
I didn't realize that Revolving Games was actually going to have like their own coin
and own token and all that shit.
I didn't realize that was the case.
So that's, that's pretty interesting.
Yeah.
You know, but, but bro, at the very beginning, I don't know, all you lizards sitting down there,
if anybody can, can confirm this, but early on, like in the very beginning, he was talking
about portal coins, infrastructure and tech, like briefly there.
Like he automatically knew, I'm gonna have to go back and re-listen to what he said, but
he started talking about something about portal coin, like not the normal person just out of
the blue would just pop up and say.
Um, so he definitely, he definitely knows what the fuck portal coin is and what they're
doing.
And I would imagine you're not at this point, you know, most people are either leaned into
it or muted the word because it's been blasted into their face.
Exactly.
But most of these people aren't doing any research, but when we were talking about, God
damn it, I had to go back and listen to it.
Um, but it was at the very beginning of us talking and he used portal coin as an example
and some of the tech that they have.
So, um, you know, is this something that's going to be us?
Probably not.
We see any big announcement that someone makes, this just happens to be a partner, but you
know, they seem to be focused on skyborne obviously, because that's their like feature
game that's coming.
Um, now there's a conspiracy in lizard hands that this was a self-promotion for something
coming up with Jonah Honto and, um, and revolving games.
Uh, but I think that was just somebody being funny, uh, or, oh yeah.
And overworld.
So I wanted to ask him about the overworld, um, shit, how there's been no gameplay, no nothing
like the guy, Jeremy collected a shit ton of money, but there's definitely no, um, did
their art reveal yet?
Oh, cool.
But somebody did sell an overworld key for like 14, I think 14 ETH or something like that.
Um, yesterday.
So I don't know.
I don't know.
Why is everybody being so fucking quiet?
Nobody's coming on stage.
I'm getting ready to go.
Sorry.
I'm not giving shit away.
I ain't got money to give the juice.
I don't pop some caps, man.
Yeah.
I don't.
Right.
I'm getting ready.
I got the truck loaded up.
I'm about to fucking head over the goddamn mountain here, Bucky.
By the way, I didn't.
That's y'all's baby.
I ain't heard some shit like that since Jerry Springer was still on network television, dude.
That was hilarious.
Maybe I'll go with 34 gins and then give away some money.
Uh, juice.
What's up, bro?
How you doing over there?
$500.
Bro, I missed a hundred X last night.
I couldn't, I couldn't even.
Why'd you do that after that?
What the fuck?
What?
God damn.
How'd this motherfucker beat me up here?
But I came up here for the free fucking giveaway and juice still beat my ass up here.
There is no free giveaway.
Sorry.
Go back down to listeners.
Um, juice, what, what a hundred X did you miss?
It was this token called, I don't even remember what the fuck it's called, bro, but I found
it at 30,000 market cap, ran the fucking 3 million dude in like two hours.
Bro, that's every day, man.
Honestly, don't worry about it.
You there's those opportunities pop up pretty much every day on these soul shitters.
Uh, there's a, there's a, there's a token called peanut butter jelly time that I think is getting
ready to go to a hundred mil.
Why don't you ape into that for me, buddy?
Honestly, yes.
No, the Mac.
Don't anybody actually buy that.
You motherfuckers do not pay attention in these spaces.
I've learned don't actually buy that.
And if you do don't at me, the macro looks, you're talking about, so you're talking about
blur.
Look, they're talking about blur, bro.
Yeah, I think so.
That's the one.
Blurp.
Yeah.
I mean, look, punk fucking ran, um, all the way up to 30 million, $40 million within 24
hours.
I mean, look, there's going to be plenty of plays like that.
You just got to have a, uh, you know, a short memory on things you miss and just get focused
on the next one, man.
What would you have done if you had gotten a hundred eggs?
Dude, yo, yo, uh, juice.
I was showing cheese in them the other day.
I bought pop cat at, uh, less than a hundred thousand and sold it at two eggs and it ran
up to $40 million.
My, my, uh, I think I put 900 bucks.
It would have been $150,000.
So, you know, it happens, bro.
It happens.
You just got to have a short memory and just move on to the next one.
I've been trying to just sell like half of the bag at a time, like sell half runs up
more.
So another half and try to keep a moon bag.
But, uh, yeah, man, it's, uh, it's a crazy PVP world out there.
It is.
It is.
So, I mean, look, you're going to win some, you're going to lose some, uh, as long as you're
a net positive, that's all that matters.
That's stupid.
What?
Who's positive around here?
It's not fucking printer thing.
I got my daughter.
What?
All right.
Yeah.
Uh, do we got anything else?
Anybody tweet anything?
Some, you know, cheese, we were having a conversation here.
So you started talking about your daughter's fucking printer and shit.
Jesus.
How rude.
My daughter is more important.
That's why I keep that tweet pinned at the top.
I think it might be the SOMO tweet from yesterday saying the SOMO coin, or it looks like there's
going to be a SOMO coin, uh, within the ecosystem.
Did you guys think that was a SOMO coin?
I thought that looked like a Solana thing to me.
I thought that was a hint that SOMO might be on Solana, but I could be fucking, I could
be wrong.
A dollar symbol in front of the word SOMO.
That's typically for a coin or dollar symbol is usually referring to a coin.
So, yeah, it looks like there's going to be a SOMO coin definitely within the ecosystem.
So, oh, for sure.
Yeah.
That's on their website.
Um, but that doesn't, I don't know that the coin that that little character handed to
the other character looked like a Solana coin to me, but I don't know.
Fuck do I know?
You are an idiot, so we can't really take what you say very seriously.
You should probably counter trade everything I say and fucking make, make racks on racks
on racks.
Yeah, but it does kind of look like a, it resembles a symbol of Solana, but it could
just be SOMO, you know?
Jesus!
All right.
Obviously, Jesus is doing it.
Great talk.
No, I'm trying to help my daughter, but yes, it was a fucking SOMO coin because they literally
mentioned money signed SOMO.
And then the little guy comes over with a fucking coin with an S on it.
Remember guys, we're pretty rich.
I'm trying to lead y'all into the conversation and like, give me two seconds to.
Anyone from the mic, like JD, let's go.
Yeah.
But it's all good.
I don't know what.
I know a lot of people aren't expecting much of anything this week, right?
Because they think everybody, Dom's on vacation with his sister and all that shit.
So we're not going to see anything this week.
Um, is that the, is that the gist of what we're getting out here?
Oh, shit.
Yeah, we'll see.
I mean, I'm not really, uh, regardless if we do or don't, I'm not worried about it.
Uh, next month's going to be a great month for all of us.
So looking forward to that.
Uh, enjoy the rest of the, you know, 2023 and get ready for fucking the year of the lizards
2024.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Hmm.
Sounds very interesting.
Guinea.
Fuck man.
How do you do this thing?
I got this thing for my daughter and it's all fucked up and I, Jesus Christ.
I don't know.
By the way, I did not get hacked for anybody wondering dude last night.
I came home shit face and spammed out all my, uh, Manta, uh, invite codes, uh, because
they are doing an airdrop.
So for anybody who is not, uh, farming that, all you got to do is bridge over some
ETH over to the, uh, uh, Ethereum L2 on Celestia, which is Manta.
Um, if you're interested, just hit me up.
I'll give you more information on that, but yeah, it's a big airdrop coming at the end
of January.
So if you just bridge some ETH over there, you should get qualified for airdrop.
Uh, just looking out for my lizards.
Make sure you do that.
Who doesn't like free money?
For real.
For real.
That's what I say.
All right.
Well, nothing else is going to happen.
Are we good?
Are we done?
It's one Oh eight.
No tweets from portal.
Nothing.
I haven't looked.
Have you seen anything, anything going on juice?
What's happening?
Nothing.
We're in season five of crystal dash.
And I want them to wrap this fucking thing up already.
That shit's still going on.
Did it change?
Oh yeah.
Look at that.
Is that a new color or no?
No, that's not a new color.
Look at the countdown, bro.
Like it's over, right?
Hold on.
Let me go back and look.
Oh yeah.
No, there is a whole new color.
There is?
Yeah.
It's back to, it's yellow now.
And it ends on the 31st on New Year's Eve.
Um, but no tweets from them, which is surprising.
No tweets for like three days, bro.
Pro, we had a tweet yesterday for Christmas.
That doesn't count.
It's like.
Was that a car post?
Well, I mean, it should count, bro.
It's Christmas time.
Um, bro.
This is stupid.
Like, why did I buy this thing?
I can't even get this shit figured out.
Um, yeah.
Are you talking about your creeps?
No, bro.
This fucking thing here.
I can't believe we missed that Skyborne.
Like that Valeria games, you know, bro.
We've let, we've sat here for two years, you know, buying creeps, holding creeps, saying
this is that.
And then, like, I look back at all, a lot of the things that we missed out on.
Do you do that?
Do you look back and see, like, fuck?
What do you mean?
I missed a hundred X last night, bro.
What are we talking about?
Hey, no, no point in looking in the rear view mirror, man.
Only look forward.
Yeah, Kenny.
Well, guess what?
We're not here for fucking Instagram power.
I'd hate to see your, your Instagram.
Dude, I don't have Instagram.
It's probably like, whatever, bro.
You probably do.
Bro, come on.
It's full of fucking power quotes and positivity.
And it's like, be the woman you want to be today.
For tomorrow, the sands of time will...
Hourglass?
If it doesn't rug you today, it'll rug you tomorrow.
Exactly.
That's Kenny's slogan.
That's what he, that's what he hits on the girls with.
On Saturday nights.
But, uh, no child support today, none tomorrow.
Oh, man.
Yeah.
Um, all right.
Let me run through everything real quick.
Can he probably ask for his, like, girl's phone?
He's like, yo, let me do something real quick.
Builds up a MetaMask wallet, fucking signs up with the invite code.
Yeah.
108 yesterday is when the SOMO tweet hit.
So, nothing new today.
Um, what is...
Well, I'm so, like, fucked off on my days.
What is today?
Tuesday or Wednesday?
Tuesday.
Okay.
All right.
Yeah.
But he did say that we're going to have something from Revolving Games in, like, six to eight weeks.
Yeah.
Did you catch that?
I did.
Uh...
So...
Huh.
That'll be pretty good.
I don't know what the fuck that's going to be, but it's got to be for the, the, uh, MMORPG, I guess.
So, um, that's interesting.
Uh, anybody doing any of these apes now on MetaWin?
They're doing it to where if you don't, if you don't win and that Benzik guy wins or whatever the fuck his name is, that they'll refund your money?
Did you see that?
Two hours left?
Fuck MetaWin.
Yeah.
Hey, bro, just, hey, calm down.
Um, but no creeps.
Yo, the, the live games on MetaWin are fucking lit, man.
I was playing Backrat last night.
Fucking, that shit's fun, bro.
Uh-uh.
You motherfucker.
That's why you missed your 100x, because you're over there playing fucking Baccarat.
I was in a space, bro, talking about how creeps are fucking nodes for the 30th time.
That's why I missed the 100x.
Wait, did you really win 500 buds?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Savage gave it to him.
Motherfucker.
Congratulations.
After he dumped our floor, he's like, yo, bro, I felt bad.
Kind of dumped your bags.
Here's five bills.
I was like, sick.
Is that what he really told you?
No, it was just for Christmas.
And then, uh, the, um, what about the, uh, the other money?
Didn't you win some other money for supporting certain people in the space?
No, it was just C7's giveaway.
Oh, okay.
I thought you actually won something for something else.
All right.
Well, congratulations, bro.
What'd you do with that money?
Did you go spend it on Baccarat?
Honestly, bro, I'm just gonna throw that into my lizard wallet, and I'm gonna start moving
everything to my ledger today.
So, it's just gonna be some gas money, and, uh, then put it aside for maybe another lizard
purchase if I can get another one.
Let's go.
So, did you see Azadi, Azadi bought another lizard?
Did you see that?
I did not.
Yeah, he came into the space last night, and he was talking about Azadi's purchase.
He was like, yeah, like, he's like, yeah, like, this guy has, like, this guy's such
a hater, right?
And he's like, the fact that he's still buying more is a pretty big bullish sign, man.
I agree.
Who is this?
Fiddy.
Bro.
Is this fucking space still going?
I just drove the whole way over the mountain there in about three words every 60 seconds.
I haven't heard Jesus talking in a while, though.
What the fuck happened to that guy?
I'm fucking talking, bro.
What do you mean?
Maybe he can't hear me.
Can he not hear me?
Kyle, do you hear Cheese talking right now?
No, I don't.
Is he talking?
That's because you left your Wi-Fi on, and it gets fucked up.
There, how about that?
I'll remove his ass from the stage since he can't hear me.
So, get you some of that, motherfucker.
Get her, Dad.
Can you hear these?
Can you hear me now?
Bet you can hear me now, bitch.
I'm going to start kicking everybody out of this son of a bitch.
No, I ain't going to do that.
Kyle, can you hear me now?
All right.
I'm just trying to come up.
Kyle, we are talking to you, brother!
Yeah, I can hear you now.
God damn it.
So, what was going...
That was like a blissful experience there for a minute, Cheese.
I was like, holy fuck.
Well, I'm sorry, bro.
So, Kyle, what's on the agenda today?
Well, I don't know.
I'm kind of pissed.
I don't know.
I don't know.
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