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Reality Check:
Recorded: March 16, 2026 Duration: 2:01:41Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. music Oh, yeah. I get a lot of houses, ashes, ashes, ashes,
I get a lot of houses, ashes, ashes, ashes, ashes,
I get a lot of houses, ashes, ashes, ashes,
when I fall in the heart,
with my soul, I'm so sick,
with my soul, I'm so sick, I'm so sick, I'm a six, six, six, seven, one, three, two, one, four, three, one, three,
I'm feeling down, seven, six, seven, one, two, one, two, one, three, four, shot, two, buckle, one, two, three, four, shot the door, five, six, pick up six, seven, eight, lay and fight. I'm not ready to go. I'm not ready to go.
I'm not ready to go.
I'm not ready to go.
I'm not ready to go.
I'm not ready to go.
I'm not ready to go. This old man came rolling. I was just absolutely Oh my god, I'm going to be my low-reality's Poggin' ball-up policies
How it's just, how it's just
We have some, girl
Hey, look at the low-reality's
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Yeah, bro.
I used to love this fucking jam.
Hell yeah, bro.
Bro, when I was a kid, man,
holy shit.
I mean, I was in middle school
when Korn was getting big, dude.
We used to fucking sit on the phone.
Dude, I had a buddy who would take the phone and turn it upside down and hold it like a mic and do all the weird Jonathan Davis stuff.
It was so...
Yeah.
I mean, Korn was like, dude, nu metal was like the identity of my generation as a kid.
Little boys that were going to be into trouble, dude.
It was all biscuit and Korn and, oh man, the good old days.
So, one of the... I have a story, a Korn story here. dude. It was all biscuit and corn and, oh, man. The good old days.
I have a store of corn story here.
The first time I ever seen
corn live, seen corn twice.
Seen him at Lollapalooza.
Oh, my God. That had to have been awesome.
Yeah, but I seen corn before
corn. Corn
was barely a kernel.
All right?
Corn was just like now starting to come up out of the...
Little baby stalk.
Little baby stalk of corn.
I went and seen Black Sabbath in Nashville.
Oh, wow.
And this was one of the first times the whole band was back together.
Got to see Ozzy Osbourne.
Probably the best concert I've ever been to in my life.
It's hard to tell because that Lollapalooza one was real good.
And I didn't know who Korn was.
They were the opening act before the opening act for Black Sabbath.
That's how small they were.
And the very first song they come out and start playing was Blind.
Mm-hmm.
And the whole fucking place, bro,
was just went from standing to fucking just shaking the whole fucking dope.
Hell yeah, dude.
Blind is that crazy guitar riff.
That's the first song on that album, actually.
Yeah, teacher Katie said, interesting intro music.
Yeah, I got to say, your audio with Korn is about your audio with hip-hop.
Yeah, I know, but there's nothing I can...
Listen, in these Mac Daddy-ass headphones, I...
It sounded great.
I transferred back in time.
So, yeah.
Did you ever... Because a lot of people never even knew,
but the bassist from Korn, Fieldy, had a whole album called Fieldy's Dreams.
Did you ever listen to that?
Uh-uh.
Oh, it's fucking dope.
It's almost, I mean, it's still, like, pretty heavy,
but it's almost like a hip-hop vibe more so. It's a really good album. Yeah. I mean, it's not, like, rapping or heavy, but it's almost like a hip-hop vibe more so.
It's a really good album.
It's not like rapping or anything, but it's pretty good.
I'm going to look it up now.
Oh, man.
I used to bang some Fieldy Dreams back in the day, man.
Yeah, I'll look it up, and I'll use it.
Can I listen to it at the gym?
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Okay. All right. i'll find it but anyways katie uh it's the screaming for me is what she said i'm i'm telling you just go to corn go look them up
there's some songs on there i think you'll get hyped too like this this good stuff
like three or four albums everything after issues I just pretend like it doesn't exist.
It's actually, like, I stopped listening to Korn forever
because they got kind of corny, dare I say.
Hey, GMB, get your ass up here on stage.
I have some questions.
And you're impossible to talk to in your streams
because there's so many people talking.
And, yeah, but i have some
questions but yeah corn one of the best groups ever kenny uh what's up bro gm happy monday
yo what up what up what up uh the charts are up things are looking good yeah ap what was your
favorite new metal band as a youngster dude I really didn't listen to metal that much
I really didn't, outside of
What I heard on the radio
Metallica, I guess, probably
Metallica was actually metal
The new metal era was like
Deftones and Biscuit
I mean, I listened to what I heard on the radio
But I never really got into it
It just wasn't my
Cup of tea really
but it was good really yeah um man had so much fun at so many different concerts
now i'm old and i don't even go to concerts anymore and that's
like my daughter wants to go to concerts concerts aren't that fun anymore i mean now
concerts is for like old folks that can afford tickets. Like it's not a bunch
of kids can't go to a fucking really cool
concert anymore because they can't afford to get in.
It's just like a bunch of old folks sitting in
fucking seats, you know? My
sister, they canceled
their vacation
this summer. We were all
supposed to be going on vacation again, just
like normal. She
canceled their vacation
because they're taking their daughters
to a concert.
Now, he laid
out everything for me. GMB just
fucking bounced. He was like, hey bro, come
on stage. I want to ask you some questions.
I guess he couldn't handle the heat.
Might be switching
devices or something. Yeah, he's already back.
Is he? GMB, get your ass up here bro
I know he has a stream coming up at 12 o'clock
So make sure
We're still going to be live
But go check his stream out after we're done
1230
How much money do you think they spent
On travel
Lodging
In the hotel
At a concert At Madison Square Garden think they spent on travel, lodging, in the hotel,
at a concert at Madison Square Garden.
Oh, shit.
Now, there's four
tickets. My sister and her
husband aren't even going to the concert.
They're just walking the kids to
MSG and they're going to go
fuck off.
But they spent $13,000.
13 G's, bro.
What the fuck?
80% of that is tickets.
But these girls have been obsessed with this guy.
Is Brett up here?
Because I keep trying to add him.
Yeah, Brett's up here.
Brett's up here.
He's still got the little green dot like he's a request, though.
Who do you think the guy is they're going
to see
at Madison Square Garden that would cost
that much money?
And the guy?
You said guy. The guy.
Yeah, there's one guy going to be performing.
I'm sure there's going to be other artists prior.
But, bro. Is Calvin Harris still a thing no but you're close you're down you're you're you're down the right path harry styles okay yeah so they're paid but it just occurred to me that
those aren't the same person that's how much i know about that kind of music yeah so they're
they're they paid over 30 that's not counting food yet that's not counting i know about that kind of music yeah so they're they're they paid over
that's not counting food yet that's not counting anything else 13 g's already out of pocket um
and that's not even that's flying that's flying like fucking coach every time like y'all done
lost your fucking mind uh yeah 13 000 to go see har Harry Styles they ain't nobody worth that that much money you could bring
well I don't know you bring Jimi Hendrix back to life I'll go I'll go spend some money to see him
but short of that I'll just play the shit on my speakers um but yeah all right enough music talk
anyways Brad GM sir what's crackalackin uh, gang, not too much. Just, you know, playing with the busted ass Twitter today.
But, yeah, it was a throwback to hear Korn this morning.
Holy shit.
Hadn't heard that since, yeah, and like a kid drinking like Sobeys
and skateboarding over phone books we'd light on fire and shit.
You know, good old days.
Yeah, dude, I was, um.
But let's stop listening to him, too, a lot of these bands like they hit their fourth fifth sixth album and it started getting
really gay but like i feel like it's been long enough now that i can go back to the like first
albums that all these bands put out and really fucking enjoy it i only thought of it because um
i was watching uh like legion of skanks i think i was watching the legion of
skanks podcast and big j was just mentioned corn and i was like bro i haven't heard the first couple
corn albums in forever so i downloaded that first album and uh i'm probably gonna download all the
albums um up to issues and just fucking rock that out for a couple weeks dude well bro i blame them
for my nft addiction because i had all four
album covers of that uh that album that they did back then it was like each member had their own
cover and i was obsessed had to get all four so you know i think they kind of started nfts back then
okay all right i thought that conversation was going a little further than it did well i'll say this i'm watching kyle fucking demolish an apple like a horse well dude because i wake up
and fucking jesus has got nine hours worth of fucking streams and shit planned dude i gotta
kind of eat on the fly here and what am i gonna do hold on hold on let me let me let me hold on
i seen this come across i didn't go engage with it. Let me go to the tweet real quick
before I say something because I do
want to engage with it.
Where's this tweet at?
Hold on. Where'd the tweet go, Kenny?
Did you delete it?
Kenny Powers tweeted something about
locking the fuck in and now the tweet's gone.
It's because Kenny realized
that he's not locked the fuck in.
He's not locked in He's not locked in
Did you reply to somebody?
I have a tweet from an hour ago on the timeline
I know but
There was another tweet that said
Lock the fuck in
And you deleted it
There's a tweet I have from an hour ago.
Yeah, GM waking up to BTC reclaiming 74K.
Hold on.
Let me look at my notifications here.
Damn, it's gone.
Bro, there was a tweet from yours.
It said lock the fuck in.
I've been someone replying to him.
No, Kyle, lock the fuck in.
No, I just went through his replies and everything.
Anyways, GMB, what's up, sir?
How we doing?
GMB.
Yo, yo, GM everyone.
How we doing?
Good.
That's a big mouthful.
Kind of like Kyle right now.
Kyle, you keep moving your mouth like that, bro.
We're going to get some big tips on abstracts.
You'd be surprised what I can fit in my mouth, Jesus.
Anyway, back to you, GMB.
Shit.
Yeah, yeah.
Wait, you guys can hear me, right? Yeah, we got you. Loud and clear.
Hell yeah. Well, I just
saw the abstract madness by
Bearish. I don't know if you guys saw that. I just saw
it on the portal.
The abstract portal.
Yeah, that's the second year
of the NCAA tournaments.
Shout out to the Bears.
Yeah.
Probably my favorite IP on abstract period probably top five favorite ips of all time as a matter of fact i love me some bears dude that
team does exactly what i want teams to do because they're just constantly communicating constantly
shipping i couldn't be more bullish on bearish. It's like literally, it might actually be my favorite NFT project right now, period.
Actually, bearish was the first NFT I had on abstract.
And I PFP'd it for a bit.
And then I changed the BOSU.
I should have never changed.
I don't know.
The BOSU I had looked kind of clean.
I had a really cool BOSU too.
And then I don't know what hell went on with that i
don't want to be a hater but uh if i'm being honest i don't i had like eight bosu's at one
point and i currently have zero um i think bosu's are actually really underrated i mean when you
look at the floor compared to like bosu to bearish i think they're actually kind of close if i'm not
mistaken but when you look at how much they've delivered compared like i feel like bearish i think they're actually kind of close if i'm not mistaken but when you look at how much
they've delivered compared like i feel like bearish has delivered far more than bosu
oh i like a factor of 10. yeah and that's the thing the final bosu art was i mean it still is
the it's incredible it's great art uh the problem is that know, here's the thing. If they hadn't minted an OG ETH collection like a year plus prior and then hit the ground with their new collection with nothing ready to go.
You know, like I would have felt like the starting line was at the mint of Final Bosu.
If it wasn't for the fact that they already had another project on mainnet ETH.
Right. So like that's kind
of the starting line so when they came out when when when we got past the reveal phase i expected
something some stuff you know a collector's profile whatever uh and it just kind of
didn't happen i i think bosu has a good guy i think the art's great i think they'll end up
doing some cool stuff i just i don't feel the fomo on it you know what i mean i agree and i like kevin too but let's let's back up all the
way till mint right and i know there were some issues with like they had a weird mint but it
was a big it was a really hyped mint it was a really big deal if you don't remember it was uh
abstract uh and open c changed their pf their PFP to the Bosu PFPs.
So you had the blue, green, and red.
I've never seen that.
That's the only time Abstract has ever changed their PFP.
I was like, what on earth is going on?
Yeah, they went in hard, man.
The mint would have been really cool, too, if that would have all,
or the reveal would have gone really well.
The way they did it, because there's there's like four or five different classes of citizens.
Right. So they were revealing from least rare to most rare each class at a time.
The problem is like it wasn't working. Right.
Like something happened where the reveals weren't working or something.
I forget what all happened, but they had to delay the reveal a couple times and by the time it was
all said and done they ended up having to reveal a couple of them at the same thing it's just i
don't know man it just didn't go well on the technical side with the reveal they were gonna
do the tear the reveal in tears remember they have five different tears oh yeah and then it
was like based off of like like, rarity, though.
So, like, it just didn't make any sense.
I stopped looking at them right now.
I mean, the art is fucking absolutely phenomenal art.
But I don't know, man.
Is that, like, what was, like, tell me, like, one thing that the BOSU team has done, like, for, like, holders.
I mean, I know they have, like, have like a big i mean i'm just thinking like
compared to like bearish and then like both two i'm like okay well i think there was like a
a hoodie claim on dilly that i didn't even like get for but like i don't know there was a collab
with the chimpers team where they did these cards and i actually have a couple of the physical cards
and that is actually really cool too i i really like these cards that i got but if i'm being honest it was kind of the chimpers team that did all of that right yeah
their ip um other than that i can't think of anything though and i don't know man i mean you
can see all the chimpers cards back here that i have and i um i yeah i agree uh so yeah well i I, yeah, I agree. Uh, so.
Yeah, well, I mean, like.
It's going to be a big thematic shift.
Yeah.
This is a full-ass card.
Did you redeem the one that I sent you?
What do you mean?
I sent you the one NFT.
Did you redeem it?
Which NFT?
I don't know. It was one of, I remember I got two of the rares or two of the legendaries.
I think I only got two of them. I think I got the Williams card shipped. Yeah. I got two of the rares or two of the legendaries. I think I only got two of them.
I think I got a Williams card shipped.
Yeah.
I got tons.
Bro, I have a Chimper's shirt somewhere that I can't.
I am going to the gym every day.
I am down 43 pounds.
And I am never going to fit in this Chimper's shirt.
Let's go, bro.
It ain't happening.
I got to get rid of this Chimper's shirt. So I'm going to give this motherfucker away to somebody. Let's go, bro. It ain't happening. I got to get rid of this chimper shirt. So I'm going to give this
motherfucker away to somebody.
Get your kid.
I guess she could use it as a... Bro, this shirt
is very nice.
Don't get rid of it.
The quality is... I mean, she'll use it as a shirt
to sleep in.
What size?
What?
What size is it?
I think it's like a 2X.
But, bro, it is not a 2x euro 2x you gotta you gotta take into consideration the accent that these founders have whenever you're sizing their merch
brother yeah i'm down from the beanstalk and try on this t-shirt kyle see if you see if you fit in
it i guarantee you i send it to kyle and it's going to be snug on Kyle.
Like, it is very small.
I don't know what the fuck.
These guys need to start putting in Walmart sizes.
That's the size chart we need is Walmart.
All right?
But anyways, GMB, the whole point. I'm a triple diabetic, anyway.
Well, triple diabetic, if your leg breaks and gravy pours out,
then that's the problem.
But if it's white gravy, you're good.
If it's brown gravy, you're cooked.
Before we keep it pushing, though, I do want to say, GMB, dude, you got to jump on one of these eat streams with us one of these days.
We're doing them once a week.
Whenever you get a minute one of these weeks to do something like that, love to have you.
Yeah, for sure.
Let me know.
Just DM me a good time, and I'll see if I can make it. weeks to do something like that love to have you yeah for sure let me know just uh dm you like a
good time and i'll see if i can make it yeah we're trying to do them like every monday or tuesday
like uh well now it's going to be every tuesday because uh well monday maybe earlier i i don't
know but you're on the west coast right i'm in i'm in florida so east Coast. Oh, shit. Okay. I always see it sunny, so I figured you were fucking West Coast.
All right.
No, the reason I asked you to come up here,
we've been seeing an amazing amount of people crying
about this upvote streak and how they keep missing it.
I don't understand it because i'm showing the timer right now
if you are on abstract at least once a day the timer pops up there it's every day at 11 eastern
that timer resets still easy to forget it though i'm one of these people and i'm not crying about
it but i've already messed it up once right because? Because like, look, dude, I mean, if you look at my fucking, if you look at my screen,
and I take my laptop with me to work so I can keep up with all this shit, right?
I've got a bearish tab open.
I've got a chart tab open.
I've got on-chain heroes open.
I've got gigaverse open.
I've got the beetle game open.
I've got XZ.
I've got another Z tab for, uh, what's his name's, um, website.
I've got an open C tab. I mean, like I've got a bajillion tabs open and things that I'm trying
to remember to do every single day on abstract across several different ecosystems. Some days,
I forget to start my next fishing adventure on on chain heroes on time. Some days I forget to start doing the dungeons on
on Gigaverse before my, you know, before my energy is sat there maxed out for a while.
Sometimes I don't make it back to the portal to look at the timer and remember to do that,
right? My thought on it is this. I think because people aren't upvoting now, they're saving their upvotes for when the timer thing happens. I think they're actually probably getting less upvotes overall than they were before.
have to do your upvotes every week after the reset, right? And then that's it, right? Just
as long as you get it done throughout the course of the week, do that for a full month without
missing a week, and then give us the bonus. Because then people will go in and actually
upvote every single app that they use and enjoy, like I do. Like I use more than I probably actually, I was probably
upvoting 12 or 14 apps before. Now I'm only upvoting seven because I'm just hitting an
upvote once a day or trying to until I miss it once. And then by the way, you miss it once
on your 12th or 13th day. Now you're angry. Now you've had a bad experience, right?
And a lot of people are just throwing their hands in the air and going,
fuck it.
I tend to try to hold off from, you know, being defeated so easily.
But I just think you could spare people the negative experience of like,
whoopsie, I forgot to do this thing one day.
And now I'm back at zero, a full month away from this bonus.
That's all. Yeah. GM gmb what's your take and then i'm gonna i'm gonna talk about some points i've seen on the timeline uh and then
a quick thing on my thoughts yeah i think it's a good mechanism to retain users and have people
coming back to a platform i know we've been seeing like systems like this i mean snapchat has their own version i think that abstract could i hope they expand on this idea like i i have uh an idea i'm
not gonna share but like they could definitely expand on this kind of thing um on the portal
and i mean it's definitely working i mean when you saw the portal last week, I believe Amigo had like almost 30,000.
It was like 20k upvotes,
which is, I think, a pretty smashing number.
I mean, that's definitely a lot more.
Like before, we would see Gigaverse at the top
with like 10k upvotes.
And so the numbers were definitely improved.
I think it's a good mechanism.
I think it makes sense, right?
Everyone wants more XP.
It's a 5% boost on that.
I don't know.
I pretty much live on Abstract.
I'm obviously all in on Abstract, so it's pretty easy for me.
But I don't know.
Maybe, I don't know, like a way for someone to, like, if they miss a day, it's like, oh, they got started at zero.
I mean, it just like adds difficulty, right?
Like, yeah, obviously it sucks, but, you know, it takes literally a minute to do every day.
By the way, I just want to point this out real quick.
All of the apps with like more than 10,000 votes are the spotlighted apps because people are hitting the thing and then just hitting like on the apps
that are spotlighted.
If you go through the top, all the spotlighted apps up here have like 20, 30,
40 plus thousand.
And then like next is Gigaverse with 211.
Literally less than 1,000, less than 500, 211.
It's because people are going to the reward thing they're
seeing they're they're hitting the button to take them to upvote something and then they're just
clicking on one of the one of the ones at the top and a lot of these other apps aren't getting
upvoted now because people aren't upvoting all of the apps that they use they're just upvoting
one app a day yeah for seven days that's the point that i'm getting at i i get that like the the the ones at the top the ones that are spotlighted apps are getting
all kinds of upvotes and that's great but uh did everything just reset yeah maybe that's what
happened i think that's what actually happened it resets every monday so okay i refreshed my screen
while they were all in the middle of resetting. So all the spotlighted apps still had like 20,000.
And then when I scrolled down, all the rest of them didn't.
Okay.
Never mind.
We need to wait until next week to actually see if that played out the way I thought it did.
I think I just got in the middle of a refresh there.
Ed Baca said, people that complain about missing the upvote streak are probably used to getting 10th place ribbons.
My strategy with this, my strategy with this
is if you can see,
I'm sharing it on stream right now,
whether I use the app or not.
Sygar said on chain transactions,
they want on chain transactions.
You should be wanting on chain transactions
because the more on chain transactions we have,
the more data they have to show VCs, the more data they have to show VCs, the more
data they have to show people that are going to be investing in Abstract.
And this is going to give us a larger, you know, TGE, it's going to give us a large evaluation.
So I'm doing everything I can to get transactions at zero cost.
Yeah, Cheese is the guy that spams every single button, whether he uses the app or not.
I don't think, I get what you're doing
and I understand why you're doing it,
but I don't think that's actually productive
to rank ordering the popularity of these apps.
So for me, what I do is I go through and I upvote.
Every week it resets.
I leave eight to 10 of them left unvoted
and I upvote everything else.
So right here,
boom,
everything.
I have all these transactions that should count towards my XP.
And then I have enough left over to get me through the week until I reset
again.
So I'm not leaving any transactions on the table.
GMB,
what's up?
I'm,
uh, I'm going to give a really, a really hard take here. I actually, I think
a lot of projects need to be thinking about meaningful transactions. And I'm going to be
honest, I'm not the biggest fan of the upvote streak thing on abstract because it's like,
yeah, like more transactions is good. But what's like, what's the point of it?
I'm bullish on applications that like gigaverse, for example, like it makes sense to it.
That's a meaningful transaction when I, you know, earned, you know, a ring and, you know, completing the underhaul.
Right. I get the golden ring or silver ring and dungeon tron 5000. Right.
And then I sell it on the marketplace like
that's a meaningful transaction i went through the dungeon got a reward boom transaction or i
don't know that's on chain but then i sell it over the marketplace i get some e that's a
meaningful transaction that makes sense i don't believe in like spamming transactions and manufacturing
transactions i am actually very like that's embarrassed but when i
see like teams like macy gains and moody does have i don't know about moody drops i think i don't
know i don't know what moody drops but i i i do like yeah isn't that spamming transactions i just
like i'm gonna be real i don't like the spamming of transactions i'm just i'm you and me agree on
this gmb and i i i understand why jesus is doing what he's doing and it's because the the team is Let me be real. I don't like the spamming of transactions. You and me agree on this, GMB.
And I understand why Jesus is doing what he's doing.
And it's because the team has incentivized what he's doing.
Right? Let me ask you this.
Because a lot of the apps that I use, they actually have a function inside of their app where you click a button and it generates the upvote for you.
Do you think it would be more to the actual like the point if if you couldn't even
upvote anything on the portal if you actually had to do it from inside of the ecosystem of the thing
that you're upvoting that way you're at least opening the tab right you're at least at least
going into the app itself you know what i mean yeah i think it it's kind of I don't know I feel like it it's good right
now like the upvoting makes sense I feel like most people are not going to go into each app and just
upvote and you're not going to get a good spread on like what do people actually like and so it's
it's a decentralized like voting system that's what they're trying to do and so is it perfect no but it's it has to be seamless and pretty like takes like literally one second to do or else it's not
gonna be like very accurate like what you want is like a bunch of people just voting for what they
want yeah i agree but if it is seamless and it only takes a second to do and i mean i'm just
using cheeses as a use case here but I think a lot of people are doing this.
You're just going to have people go the whole way down the list and upvote every single thing because they think they're getting XP, which they may be.
I mean, every transaction is apparently giving you XP.
Exactly.
I'm not arguing that point.
I agree with you and i'm just saying that i'm just saying that in gigaverse
every week there's a there's there's a button that pops up i hit the upvote thing and i get a reward
in the ecosystem it's the same with uh on jane heroes most of the apps do that they give you a
reward for upvoting most most of the apps already have that integrated yeah moody has that toland has
that but what if they i think what if they like limited how many times you would upvote right so
if if you could just like span because right now you can just upload every single app right and
so that doesn't really make it meaningful every time you upload something but yeah but they they're
not going to limit transactions when they're asking you to make transactions happen. That's not going to happen.
It's like three or five a day.
I mean, I don't know.
I feel like... Yeah.
I've seen some people say that...
I've seen somebody say that if you lose the streak,
you can buy it back based on the amount of days you missed by.
And say it's five Pengu a day.
And the Pengu that is collected from that is automatically burned.
So if you missed it by two days, you would have to pay 10 Pengu tokens.
And then those tokens would just automatically go to a burn wallet.
Well, or just don't even burn them.
Put them in a pot and give that pot out as a reward.
Like a random person who upvotes apps get selected each week or something.
Yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, there's, there's ways you can do it. Katie, what's up?
So that's, this is actually exactly what I wanted to comment on is, you know,
the number of transactions and the votes when it first started, I'm like,
is there an incentive to vote for a certain app like is there something that you can get for voting for a
certain app because kenny i kenny not kenny um kyle i also noticed that no i know i know but i'm
answering his question i also noticed that all the spotlight apps get so many more votes than
everything else it's because people are lazy and they just go in and go, okay, I can upvote that.
So I did notice that even before the refresh that a lot of the apps that are at the bottom don't get many votes.
So, yeah, that's what I thought.
Yeah, yeah.
And part of that is obviously just natural, like actual usage, right?
I mean, there are rank ordered in the number.
But, yeah, I definitely think that the spotlighted apps are exactly to your point.
They're at the top. The people are just going to hit that. I'm going to vote for, you know, my refresh is over.
I click the button. It takes me to the discover page. I hit the thing at the top of the screen. Right.
I don't know. I like the idea of the button being inside the app. So I, you know, I have to actually open the app.
inside the app. So I, you know, I have to actually open the app.
No, I think that makes sense.
But the other thing I wanted to comment on is when Jesus said he's looking for
the most, the lowest cost options for transactions.
Is every transact, does every transaction cost?
And if they don't, are those even counting?
No. So here's the thing.
If it doesn't show up in your wallet, it's not a transaction.
It's if it's not there, it does cost you money to vote.
It's a very minimal amount.
If you have zero, if you move all the ETH out of your wallet, it will tell you you need to deposit
ETH in order to upvote. So you have to have money in your wallet to upvote. These are actual
transactions that I can see on chain. When Myriad was there and just doing points you still got transactions for that so
people are now going to have to pivot we see the xp boost last week like i thought my xp was really
low last week it was like 14 000 i don't have giga all i have is graduated elite chat i have no
pudgy assets and i have no pengu bonuses so So I'm only getting like the 7.5% bonus.
And I got like 14,000 XP, which is still great.
But I was like, I did a shit ton of trading on Z.
And then they did the update and I got bumped from 14,500 to 58,000 XP.
I'm so confused right now.
Why did Scarlet send me $6.95 worth at USDC?
What would that be?
I don't know.
Oh, probably from Mesa Games, maybe.
Yeah.
So, yeah, that increase last week was massive for me.
And I'm expecting this week to be even bigger because I've been using OpenSea a lot.
I've been trading a lot of Z cards.
By the way, $6.95. I'm z rich right now bro we're going shopping anyway there
you go um so yeah uh i i'm just trying to with when you have limited funds trying to figure out
different ways to get xp i mean that's you're just you're fighting for every one you can get, every fucking XP you can get.
So when I see guys that have
350,000
and they're bitching because they went down to 300,
like, get a
fucking life, bro.
Get a fucking life.
Alright? Jesus Christ.
Go ahead, GMB.
I was, I'm
going to say this before I go. I got to get ready.
But I just feel like Abstract is losing the vision a little bit.
I just don't like the focus on on-chain transactions.
Like, oh, we need to get the most on-chain transactions.
I mean, there's that big meme of the game where every time you shot,
it just has a transaction you have to sign.
It's like, that doesn't make any sense.
Like, we should not be optimizing for the most on-chain transactions.
Like, there's many ways to do that.
If you're on Eclipse, you saw the fucking, what was it, the cow clicking thing?
I don't know if you guys saw that.
You had to get points for clicking the cow cow and that was the stupidest thing ever. So like there's so many
ways to get, you know, transactions on a chain. What the most important thing is having meaningful
applications, right? And I think we're, we're trying to reinvent the wheel here when we shouldn't
be doing that. We should be enhancing Web2 applications, right?
Like how can we build on top of Fortnite?
How can we build on top of all of these games that work
and add that monetization layer on top of it?
That's what I think crypto is best at doing, right?
When you look at Polymarket, it does the exact same thing
where you can bet on anything you want to.
You can bet on how
many times is elon gonna freaking tweet in a day i think we're trying to reinvent the wheel creating
all these apps that to be honest not many people care about like and it's hard it's hard making a
really good game but i think we're going at it the wrong way and we need to read yeah but the
but the problem was gmb is that
abstract looked at it the wrong way in the very beginning because they pushed the whole narrative
and i i was here on testnet that oh we're not farming on the green chain this is what
and i called bullshit from the beginning because this is 100 farming i mean you have to farm in
order to succeed to get xp That's why people are holding.
Whether you're holding or whatever, you're still farming.
It doesn't matter.
If you're playing Moody Mites for six hours a day and you're blowing through money, you're still farming.
You're playing the game.
Yeah, you enjoy the game.
But would you be really playing that game and trying to get all those transactions on any of these things?
Instead of playing Fortnite or something with that time.
Yeah,
exactly.
I just,
I don't buy the,
the not farming thing.
This is,
it's part of the web three culture.
so I would say this,
cause I,
I agree with both of you,
but I do think that,
look,
I think there's a,
I don't know how this guy, i tried to bring you up the stole
even though you don't follow me back i didn't try to bring you up the shellin we're trying
to get you up here shellin's good people i know shellin so what i so i i would say this right
at first it was kind of like about building a community like the the incentives are going to change based
on what they need as a chain and right like at first it was very important to build actual
communities over here so there was a lot more incentivization on holding assets holding nfts
being you know being in these communities and streaming because they were trying to really push the streaming and the community building.
Now, at this point,
most L2s are fucking dead in the water, right?
And Abstracts probably barely got its head above water,
but it has outlived most of these other L2s.
But they do, at a certain point,
they do need these, like, vanity metrics
like number of transactions and volume and stuff.
So they have to incentivize that to promote that.
So I'm also not a fan of what they're specifically promoting right now, but I can understand why they would.
I don't know.
I'd like to think that we'll get back.
They will continue to shift what they're incentivizing based on where we're at i swear that's how every chain dies i mean jesus you're 100 right like like some of these apps
like people wouldn't use uh if there wasn't you know a future reward or uh no then carrot right
that's the problem and that's why all of these chains die, because they don't have a product that people will use after they get their carrot.
Then they're gone. So I think that's what abstract should be focused on, is having real apps that people will use regardless.
Well, it's going to be very difficult to figure out who's real and who's not
because now they are pushing AI agents so heavily on abstract
that agents are going to be interacting, I think,
and doing a lot of these transactions.
And normal people are going to have them
and just be using agents to do certain things.
They're going to figure it out.
I mean, a guy just figured out how to cure fucking 75% of his dog's tumor.
You don't think somebody is going to be able to figure out how to run
Moody fucking whatever.
Somebody's going to have 10,
10 million transactions.
You know,
it's going to be fucking nuts.
It's going to happen in a week.
let's go to,
last point here real quick,
because again, I do agree with GMB.
I think this also was a huge detractor
from a lot of the existing communities
and games that people came over here
and built to begin with, right?
Like you got a game like Ruyui
that doesn't have a bunch of on-chain assets,
but it did have a community.
And now it's down bad
because people are only chasing transactions
and farming.
Even like Giga gigaverse like you
know there's a whole you can export all those items make them on chain items but nobody does
because the there's no friction if you just use the in-game marketplace but you know now it's like
well fuck like anyway um what's up shallon i appreciate your patience and i followed you back
i'm sorry i'm i'm petty that's hilarious no you're good um i actually i work with a publisher for
uh tolan and to your exact point when and as well as gmb the difficulty is that abstract actually
makes that friction for the games for that dabs and it's really problematic because you know
instead of focusing on building out the game itself,
we have to gamify the game
to be, like, feasible,
to have their attention
and the attention of the community
because they're really there to farm.
So what I mean by that is
even with the upvotes, right,
there's a thing called stamps
that allows for the XP to happen,
and it is limited based off of app.
So you have to go to different apps
and play the game.
But what we're starting to see in terms of retention model,
in terms of the actual gamification of it,
our focus, unfortunately, not my personal focus,
but like Tolan and the publisher,
and as a publisher, I'm hearing from them
is that like their focus has to be on keeping people in the system
and having to focus on XP and focus on other things outside of the actual game itself,
which is problematic because a game can only last so long
based off of what's been built prior to the gamification of incentives
than the actual game itself.
And so how do we keep not doing this when we're in a downward spiral
of just basically exiting because there's no longer going to be a community left
because it's only driven by incentives? Yeah, and there's no longer going to be a community left because it's only driven by
incentives yeah and there's no money to to keep building out and i heard voxel queen she came on
the stage when when sygar and them had the the ama and uh she you know half i guess more than half of
their assets and their game are not on chain so she's like well you know now we're going
to be kind of stuck in a position to where we got to bring a lot of these on chain but it's going to
degrade the play of the game and sygar was just like well you're gonna have to find that happy
medium that keeps the game playable and enjoyable but also allowing your community to have on-chain
transactions so it's you know it's
going to be difficult go ahead gmb you know you know i think the solution is is that like early
days of abstract it was super hard to know like what like you like the actions you did like what
you got xp for i think now it's too easy i think it's too obvious. We're just like, oh. And Shaeo, wait, how do I say your name?
Shaolin.
Shaolin, Shaolin.
How are y'all so hard on Shaolin?
Hating on the Asians, how rude.
I know.
Because he has the in front of it, so it gets cut off on the space.
Yeah, you got caught on.
That's why.
Either that or you just never listen to a Wu-Tang album.
Anyway, back to you, GMB.
No, you're good, you're good.
I was trying to find my gong.
Go ahead.
That point that he brought across where now that it's like, okay, more transactions equals
more XP pretty much, you're starting to have a farming mindset instead of a consumer mindset.
We need to have apps that people actually want to use and not just doing it for xp solely because obviously that's that's not sustainable at all well the biggest test for
abstract bro is going to be post tge in what what games survive and it's up to the brands right now
that are on there to provide enough value and capture enough for the abstract community to
keep them there afterwards and how is the abstract token gonna work inside of the abstract community to keep them there afterwards. And how is the abstract token
going to work inside of the ecosystem?
And, you know, so I, you know,
I don't know, I agree.
Can I just add one more thing too?
The other problem is that the spotlight problem
is if you're not on the spotlight,
these dApps don't get any attention.
And that's the game in itself
that drives like people nuts,
especially the builders,
that if you're not there, you might as well just not be present.
And then you have to basically realign your entire community to upvote.
And so the problem to me is the incentives within the ecosystem
for both the builders and the community where it's actually prosperous.
This is just, again, downward spiral of just people doing all the same things.
You're gamifying the dApps, you're gamifying the but who's winning abstract i don't think so this is why i
think you see such a negative sentiment in a space about where the direction that they're headed
yeah i will say and i keep saying this to everybody about like every subject right now which is just
like it's useful to zoom out a bit and realize that like several other l2s have both launched
and completely died in the water on arrival oh abstract launch so in comparatively speaking but but let's
be real like if you go look at 2025 tges right and you go look at user retention you know for
example bear chain down 93 percent um on the fdb decline. Baruchain was an insider scam at the beginning.
Hold on, technically zero user retention.
Look at Syndicate, down 93.6% decline in user retention.
Falcon down 86%.
I'm just going through some of the most recent TGs of 2025.
Plasma down 90% in FDV with 80% loss of user retention. So the question
is like post TGE, what's the solution? Because recently anything that's launched post TGE,
once the farming is done and on the majority of these tokens, you can go look majority of the
people who were farming sold on day one. So the question is, like, how do you retain users?
Like, that's the biggest question is what happens most of you.
I want to congratulate Kenny on actually paying attention to a conversation.
Are you using a soundboard right now?
Yeah, it's on my road.
Holy shit, dude.
A whole new meta for reality check, guys.
That's why I said I was trying to find my gong
when y'all couldn't figure out Shaolin's name it's like it's fucking shaolin you know my
hillbilly ass can say shaolin uh but so hold on real quick because to kenny's point i completely
agree with you right and and we are going to see a dramatic fall off of users at post tg
i genuinely believe that abstract has a much larger organic community, though, than any of these other examples had.
And I mean, we'll find out.
Monad had a huge community.
No, it didn't.
Monad had a bunch of African fucking farmers, dude.
That's all that was over there.
It was a bunch of farming motherfuckers.
Shout out to my Nigerians.
I love you guys.
I try.
Thank you for supporting.
100%.
Look, I'm not fucking disrespecting.
Hold them Jesus cards tight, bro.
I'm not disrespecting.
All I'm saying is, look, I'm pointing out the simple reality that there is a large part of the global community that can make very meaningful money by being a part of a community up until day one and then cheating.
Right?
That's just the reality of the space that we're in.
So, you know.
But I will say this, too too on this whole farming thing.
Like this is up to these teams.
Oh, they're coming for your neck now.
This is up to these teams to like decide with their games, like who are you trying to market to?
Because like if you're marketing to Web3 people, then they probably are only using your app to farm, whatever the thing is.
Right? probably are only using your app to farm whatever the thing is right so like if if you're confident
in your ip and in your gaming mechanics then you should really probably be marketing to people
outside of web 3 like shaolin dude you i don't i don't know what you said you're you do for uh
tollenverse i think tollenverse is actually a lot of fun and if you could get that in front of people
on like social media apps i think a lot of people would play if you could get that in front of people on like social media apps,
I think a lot of people would play it.
I actually play that game for fun.
Yeah, so that's actually what we do, right?
We do user acquisition for Web 2, Web 2.5, Web 3.
I actually had the guilds with over 25 guilds,
including YGG, KGEM, Tempest.
So we have some of the largest distribution,
but if you really want to know the difference is when you talk to the actual gamers,
they don't want to be on Toland.
They don't want to be on Abstract because the first thing you have to do is use an Abstract
wallet.
Everything is actually gated by Abstract wallet itself.
You can go and play any game outside of Abstract and you can actually just test it.
You can have fun with it.
In order to even touch the game on Abstract, you have to go through Abstract wallet. And you have to do transactions. In order to even touch the game on abstract, you have to go through abstract wallet.
And you have to do transactions. You have to do all these things.
So it's kind of odd that this is the abstraction.
Can I ask you a question real quick?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but couldn't you?
I mean, I didn't spend any money.
I know I had to go through the abstract portal,
but I think you can just sign up with an email, can't you?
And then when I started playing Tolanverse, I just played the practice mode until i actually beat the practice mode correct but you
have to log in right which is again understandable but again it's a friction point right if you're a
web2 person like why do i have to give them my email why can't i just play the game and so again
this is like the little things that i was not a lot of people aware of but those are the things
that are drop off because it's,
there's an ecosystem that I then have to participate in versus just playing the game.
This is a problem, which is odd, but yet,
because that's because we're crypto native, right?
The other thing is, is that when I talk to the gamers who want to actually play the games,
they love Toland, but what they don't like is the amount of gamification
that's required to stay relevant.
And that's what I was talking to you guys about before,
which is like, you want to let the builders build
and build out the contents, the gameplay,
the actually things that are deeper
and like further down in terms of vertical.
But what's happening is that the gamification
of being relevant on the chain itself
is very horizontal.
And so, yeah, go ahead.
Well, it's almost like when you log into a PlayStation
for the first time and you got 87 windows you got to close out about getting online
or signing up for this or signing up for that
and let's send you some virtual games.
There's so much friction in the way to just get to the game.
Yeah, but people do it.
They do.
People do it.
People do get on the Epic Store and sign in with an email.
Correct.
No, no, but again, that's because they want to be part of that ecosystem
because they know what those other games are.
When they look at the abstract, they see lots of different things
and it's very confusing for them, right?
So again, it's like the crypto natives versus the people you're talking about Web 2.
Now, again, I represent and support three other games
that are on three different chains.
And we have different experiences on these different things.
They all have their own problems.
Let's not be dishonest about that. But some of the things that you guys were talking about
are the actual things that people have issues with when it comes to playing the game on a long-term
basis in terms of retention. Otherwise, when we see the majority of people who are playing,
it's the same thing. We're not building outwards. We're not building upwards. We're actually just
the same, like, it's going to be kind of neutral here. We're just, we're working just the same like it's going to be kind of neutral here we're just
working with the same community and I feel like that
community is leaving not getting stronger
and not building further and deeper
yeah well something is causing
transactions to run up according to
Dune analytic board
on the 23rd
there was 228,000
transactions on abstract
say that number again how many 228 000 now ever
since you know agents have been deployed and everything else and i know there's bots and
there's you know say there's three million wallets there's a lot of that's whatever it is uh not
trying to throw shit out but now as the height which was just like a few days ago, 500,000 plus transactions
in that short little, so it's two X the transaction volume, uh, you know, but I mean,
the transaction volume is important. Well, they, they incentivize those numbers. They incentivize
transactions and not for nothing, but Z cards being, you know, having a floor of like, yeah,
I think that's a lot of transactions too. Right. Yeah, I think 150,000 of those are Z, but either way.
Scotty, what's up?
GM, bro.
GM, GM.
What is up?
What is up?
Oh, the complaints on abstract, it seems.
No, I'm messing with you.
I'm up to 62 Z cards now, Scotty, dude.
I just keep raking them in, buddy.
You got a stable.
All your horses are running soon.
Oh, thank you, Scotty,
for my stimmy. I've honestly
just been giving it all to all the bearish
holders. Hold on, you got a stimmy?
Yes. That's supposed to be secret.
Whoa!
Cat's out the bag now.
Damn. Well, I've been
giving it all to the bear holder
So that's the sad part
It's not even for me
If you do post about it
You gotta say it was a paid shill though
There you go
Oh yeah don't worry
I get paid by bearish everybody
They pay me in honey
Thank you
Yeah I see Scarley down there
I wish he'd come on stage
Shouts out to Scarley dude
I fucking love on Chain Heroes IP,
and every game that they've made so far has been lit.
Maze of Games was a great experience.
Oh, for sure.
Well, I'll say this.
I was mogging constantly until the Z cards came out,
and now every fucking penny I can scrape together
has been going into Z cards.
But as soon as the price runneth up on these Z cards,
once you guys fire up tournaments, I'll be
right back to Moggin again, that's for sure.
I get my ass whooped in
that fucking maze every
time. Like, it's...
I think the highest level I got to
was 13
maybe? And I still
couldn't find no jackpot dude running around.
I'm like... Well, I don't think he's always there.
I know. I know.
I know.
But then I seen people say,
if you see him early,
don't mess with him.
Leave him alone and go on.
Yeah, I don't know if the mechanics are still the same.
It used to be that he would appear on floor five
if he was going to be there.
But if you let him go,
you'd be able to increase the jackpot
with each floor down that you went
if you could find him again.
I don't know if the mechanics have changed or not. i have not seen him one time uh and i'm you know
yeah but right like you said all my focus right now is on uh z uh shallon what's up can i ask a
question of scotty i i'm not i'm not hating on abstract i'm just telling you in terms of what
i'm seeing in the space right in terms of how the ecosystem works and the importance of having spotlight,
having, you know, upvotes as well as, you know, stamps.
Scott, how are you seeing these things in a way that you guys are able to balance them properly?
Obviously, you guys have a lot of attention in what you guys have been building
over the time that you've been on abstract.
But I'm curious to how you guys do it so that you can still build
while not also having to gamify everything
in a way to retain attention?
Yeah, I mean, it's a good question.
I think I heard you earlier talking about having to make builds perhaps
or gamified pieces within your solution to cater to Abstract.
Now, I guess our team is kind of very heavy
on the gamification anyway.
So a lot of the things that maybe Abstract might want,
we were either already planning to do,
or we look at the on-chain angle for sure.
That being said, we don't really rely on Abstract
for anything.
I mean, our main goal with Zeet was like,
we don't care that we're, I mean, obviously,
we like being on Abstract. I love the ecosystem. I love everyone that's on abstract. And to an idiot's point, I think it's one of the strongest and most organic set of users across any L2 that I've been on. And maybe that's biased, but I do think that's actually accurate.
I think that's actually accurate.
But yeah, with Z, we were not highlighting
that we were on abstract necessarily
because we just wanted to run our own marketing plan
and our own marketing scheme.
And if we got the audience we want,
it would only be better with the abstract folks
because I think most of the abstract folks
are pretty high agency folks.
I wouldn't call them farmers.
I mean, I don't know.
Everyone in crypto is a farmer.
So I don't know if it's like the best term to use.
I prefer supporter.
I think there's more supporters on abstract than there are on chains like Monad.
Actually, I don't have a knock on it.
It's like tomato, tomato, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
You're a founder trying to use your words carefully. Yeah, I shouldn't down a knock on it. That's like tomato, tomato, right? Yeah. Yeah, I shouldn't. You're a founder trying to use your words carefully.
Yeah, I shouldn't downplay Monad.
Monad, I mean, they had a lot of attention.
Monad's washed and gay.
I'll say it, Scotty, so you don't have to go ahead.
Damn.
Yeah, I can't say that.
I can't say that.
It should be diplomatic, if you will.
Yo, Kyle wasn't saying that when he got airdropped
$1,500. Hell no, he got
that damn... I was extremely happy
and excited and I participated
on Monad, but I was one of the only fucking idiots
that did. And guess what
Monad had? What?
They had their creator
cards. That's how
you got your airdrop.
Yeah, it's not the number
really came of any of that.
No, I know.
Because the first statement
you said.
Anyway, back to what Scotty was saying.
I was just trying to help him out there.
Well, I mean, I don't know
if I answered Shallon's question or not.
I mean, I'm in agreement with you
in terms of the way
that the community is.
Absolutely.
As a Penguin myself, right?
I obviously love the concept
of what they're building,
but I'm just trying to make sure to point out that,
like, they have something that they can work on,
and it's not a bad thing.
It's just, it's a distraction
if you're trying to build a deep game
and focus on the development
or allocating resources to do both games.
Whoa.
Probably had a goal.
Yeah, that's Luca calling him,
telling him to fucking be quiet.
Yeah, get off the stage with this idiot guy, dude. He's a phone call. Yeah, that's Luca calling him, telling him to fucking be quiet. Get off the stage with this an idiot guy, dude.
He's a brand risk.
That is 100% true.
Floor the Zeke cards.
Every chain is looking for that app that has both massive amounts of on-chain transactions and actual product market fit.
is an actual product market fit.
Like, every chain is looking for that.
Every chain is looking for that.
So when the abstract is suggesting for a game
to maybe do more on-chain transactions,
it's not because they don't think there's product market
fit, but it also might not make sense to be an on-chain game.
And I'm not saying that to be blunt.
I'm just saying that maybe there is an actual mechanics that
makes sense for it to be on-chain.
And I say that as a person that had worked
for a on-chain game for two or three years um now it was mostly in my freelancing time but i built
out their entire blockchain ecosystem and you know the game probably didn't need to be on chain
that was the reality and they shut down so i don't know yeah but you can if you have a product as far as a game that's
like not that great you can still pitch it to a bunch of dgens if they think they can make money
off of it right and it'll at least live for a little bit until people either a make the money
when the thing happens that's the money-making thing or b realize that it's not a money-making
opportunity and then disappear anyway but you can at least get people to interact with your thing if you can convince them that it's like,
you know, a little bit of a Ponzi or whatever.
Yeah, I think a lot of teams use Web3 as a funnel to get money to then go into Web2.
I mean, I think that's a thing that happens.
And it's not bad, necessarily.
It can be bad for end users because the Web3 sector can just get demolished by these founders that take advantage of that initial money.
So, I don't know.
Yeah, it's a bit pessimistic.
I want to get taken advantage of.
Somebody come take advantage of me.
Oh, Juice.
I'll get in touch with you right after the space, buddy boy.
Don't you worry.
Do you like girl Juice? Because I'll take advantage of you if you want.
Whoa.
I like girls under 25 over 19.
Wait, I'm confused, huh?
What?
It's a 57-year-old man, Juice. I don't know how I feel about that.
No, I'm just kidding juice
is a young man and he's also married to a beautiful indian lady anyway uh let's go to
some of the hands uh i think the hands came up in different orders than they actually came up
on the space but i think josie was up here first uh josie what's up how you doing today
what's cracking why do you have a doxed pfp holy shit dude are you a crypto twitter person or not
what are we doing um i was playing with ai over the weekend and i just liked the way i looked in
that video so i was like i am a pfp it for a while but i missed my old hot dog pfp if i'm being
honest um but i just wanted to like hit on shaolin's point about how you know it's hard to get
web 2 people to play a lot of the games as somebody who plays on Twitch
Whenever I play like web 3 games people like okay, what is this? What do I have to do to play this? That's so stupid
I'm not doing that. So he is right
We need to make a way for these games if they're actual games to not just be on chain and all that if you want
People from the real world to play it
There's ways for a lot of these devs to put their games on the Steam store if they want to.
A lot of indie people do that.
And if your game has the mechanics that don't necessarily have to be on-chain,
why do you think you need to be on-chain?
You can get way more money from people in the Web 2 normies
if you actually put a game on an actual real platform
where people might actually play and you might have success.
Well said. I don't disagree at all.
I think maybe there's a little bit of like maybe some people,
maybe some people are like Web3 enthusiasts
and they just want their game to be on blockchain rails
because they're excited about it.
But overall, I think that's probably the very niche subset of those people and i
definitely agree with what you're saying yeah and i agree you can do that if you're an enthusiast
especially because we all are and which is why we are here but like why would you let your product
die on the blockchain why wouldn't you want to publish your product into other places where you
could possibly get more limelight and i think that's something that a lot of builders overlook if they're actually trying to build a game that's for the long term
yeah i've got no argument out of me i think if you launch on web 3 you got a better chance of
getting champions for your game because like uh these crypto people that have such a big like
issue with like stockholm syndrome you know like you're gonna get
people that just absolutely fall in love with it and they're like a full retard yeah like they
start hosting spaces about it you know they start writing threads about the games and shit they
start yeah well here's a gamer here uh Retired gamer. Retired my ass.
I'm playing Crimson Desert this week.
Yeah, but you two, sir, are a doxed PFP now, dude.
You've left us.
You've ascended onto the world of doxed people on CT.
Coin Kong is doxed.
Fuck you, man.
Yeah, I mean, you guys are like Monad.
Washington gay.
Anyway.
Sorry.
Yeah, but at least our transactions are fast
yeah for sure dude for sure all ten of them yeah in and out there you go um yeah let's say what's
up to johnny he keeps waving his hand around i feel like he's got to go or something what's up
to johnny he doesn't he just wants to tell us about some other shit we're not talking yeah what
are you showing today dude um probably it's powered by Chainlink,
no matter. But what I
wanted to ask Scotty
is the madness.
That's like, I have to
pick
all of the games,
or I saw there is an AI-assisted
one, and also, can I
entry all of the
buckets, as I have also board token and
Eve and everything or is it just for one tournament?
Yeah, you can enter all the free pools.
Yeah, actually, I guess the brackets just open.
Also the paid ones.
Oh, yeah, you can do the paid ones too.
We take a 5% fee.
Scotty, your co-founder is a gay person.
Yeah, I saw you guys on the ground.
I don't know what the fuck you guys are talking about.
I have white conversations.
What happened?
I made fun of Leon again for being a fraud
as he normally is, the bald guy in Dubai
with
provable evidence.
Leon Abubu or whatever?
They are friends. and then and then
totally's like why are you such a fuck twat and then i said i'm not promoting your z card
and then he like made a made a post about me or something and uh and then i just made a joke to
him he said he he did like the karen thing that which't work. It's kind of hilarious. He goes, at Coinbase Ventures, is this the person you invested in?
You did bad diligence.
I'm not getting involved.
It's like, really?
You're trying to call my investor?
My investor is probably going to see the post and laugh, you fucking idiot.
Yeah.
I mean, again, the context is that he's friends with Leon.
Yeah, well, you know, birds of a feather flock together.
Yeah, Jonah's still on CP, yo.
That means I can join every basket, right?
Yeah, did Johnny?
Just to not go away.
I want to join every pool if it's possible.
Yeah, I guess real quick, for those that don't know,
we just launched a March Madness on-chain bracket system on Abstract,
so you can go sign up, win some prizes,
some ETH,
token, USDC, NFTs,
and ZEETs.
Dijani, calm down with the relevant questions.
Jonah's trying to have a petty fight with someone that's not
even on stage right now.
If it's any consolation...
By the way, y'all are like, Jonah's
not in crypto anymore. Jonah's not there.
Jonah's retired. What the fuck do's not there. Jonah's retired.
Hey, fuck you, man.
I'm not retired.
If it's any consolation, Zete is substantially a better product than its Amigo app.
What a piece of shit that app is.
They couldn't even get the 5K yet for the...
It's built well, but at least Zete is interesting.
I watched Eli basically do what like looked like human
trafficking talk you know like he pulled these cards on zeet and he goes oh who the fuck is this
person oh fucking loser oh fuck he's like like i i find that to be way more entertaining than
friend tech you want to do friend tech it's a key you get a key yeah i mean i feel like that's
what jonah's voice sounds like when he comes go ahead scotty no i i actually i don't i don't
really make those sounds but i do furl my toes jonah i gotta say dude i love you i talk so much
shit to you all the time i love you buddy i just want to say that no dude i it's all it's i treat
twitter like one giant theater room like where you just kind of like to say that no dude i it's all it's i treat twitter like one giant
theater room like where you just kind of like do acting i don't treat it as real life no i know
you don't that's one of the things i like about you is i can have these little fucking
you know i bond with humor if i'm not talking shit if i'm ignoring you i definitely don't like
you so you know anyway my my take on amigo is that you should join it if you want to join it
like it's not a competitor
to z in the same sense i mean it's not a competitor to anyone yeah i mean it's it's um i think it is
actually built pretty well except it notified me like nine times as i was sleeping no technologically
it's very well put together i just like you know it's kind of like going to get your blood work
done it's like okay like we have great blood work technology.
It doesn't mean I'm excited about getting my blood work done.
It's like, all right, well, that's cool.
I think they didn't solve the part that was actually still missing in Socialfly,
which is like outside of the speculative value, what is actually there.
I mean, that still isn't solved.
There's no game to it.
There's no like, like, I don't believe creators should have cards,
but I can appreciate the game theory that you put in place.
Because the one thing you guys understand,
where I give you credit,
is you understand that the gameplay in crypto is speculating,
whether that's future predictions on if a creator's gonna do well,
or if a price goes up and down.
You have that understanding.
With Amigo, what is the speculation?
It's just like, I buy your key and I can talk to you?
I can do that on OnlyFans.
I mean, they have OnlyFans models.
I think their play for them to be successful
is they need to hit web 2 hard and actually just
you know say f**k web 3 but they need the the right creators to do that. I don't know if they're
getting the right web 2 creators to make it make sense to be honest. That's their only knock I
think if I were looking at it objectively or maybe that's subjectively too but yeah I think they need
to to double down on Web2 creators.
Maybe even more OnlyFans models.
Fuck it, you know?
Yeah, dude.
Sex work is real work.
Let's see here.
What's up, CryptoCobra?
How you doing?
What's up, GM, GM, Legends?
Happy to be here in this space with you.
Happy Monday to you all.
I just had a like general question because i think scotty mentioned you know that everybody is almost a farmer nowadays i'm wondering uh who do you
identify as a farmer and what is like you know i've tried to be a high quality creator so far.
So I wanted to know, like, who is a creator and who is a farmer in your community? I mean, I said I don't want to use the term farmer.
I said I want to use supporter.
But everyone here is, if you're here as a founder especially,
and you don't realize that people are here to make money,
then you are never going to get a product that has product market fit.
Well, and both things can be true at the same time too, right?
Yeah, yeah.
But you have to play the game where you need to understand that people are here to make money.
So you need to give them the opportunities to make money.
And with Zeet, you know, we kind of have our ways that we're going to show folks how that happens.
It's not an easy problem to solve, by the way.
I mean, you need people with high agency
contributing to the protocols and services and platforms um and you need to reward them
accordingly but then you also need to be careful of mercenaries that can just ruin the game for
everyone so i don't know but it's kind of a tough game speaking of games i've been working on one
you have been on the one. You have been?
On the side, yeah.
I have someone else working with me on vibe coding it,
but it actually, honestly, it's pretty good.
I think I'm surprised it's pretty good.
Are we talking like a jiggle tech type of game?
No, no, man, I wish.
AI is not good enough yet, but it will be.
Although it's a good idea for the IP.
It's a game called Blackjack Attack. It's Bellatro, but it will be. Although it's a good idea for the IP. It's a game called Blackjack
Attack. It's Bellatro,
but Blackjack.
Another gambling game.
The name is pending.
The name is pending.
Because it's not a good name.
Bellatro is poker, right?
Yeah, poker. So we're doing Bellatro, but Blackjack.
Bellatro is loosely
poker, though.
I mean, like, it's almost poker.
Bellatro is.
Well, it's roguelike poker where you're using the cards to, like, eliminate a boss.
What are your thoughts on Slay the Spire 2?
Do you think it captured the audience of Slay the Spire 1?
Well, considering how many
players are on there per day i would say yeah they did a fucking they did a fucking good job
clearly 500 000 dau on an indie game that's a roguelike it's like pretty damn good um but yeah
no the idea though with this is like bellachro you play um just the computer but with blackjack
attack you could play a computer um but you can also play other people in a room.
And typically when you play Blackjack at the casino,
it's more cooperative where the idea is that you're not necessarily counting cards,
but you don't want to fuck up the table, right?
It's pretty well known in the casino.
If you fuck up the table, you're not well liked.
This one, you are encouraged to fuck up the table.
You're not playing against the dealer, necessarily.
So I think it'll be cool.
The game loop already works.
The game itself already works,
but we need a whole UI UX overhaul.
So, yeah.
But I'm not primarily building it
because I'm focused on live frame,
but I'm putting it all together.
Basically what I did with Frankie Go.
The only difference, though, is we have not figured out monetization for this at all.
And if anything, I may just put it on Steam and sell it for $2 or $5.
I don't know how I would 3ify it yet.
Are you still working with Frankie Go's team or no?
Lately, no.
I mean, I'm still very good friends with them, but
the reality is we did
our job and we
made our money and it's not a game
that could really be live serviced.
And I actually
may be bringing them in to do the UI UX
on this game because I think
they're fucking incredible artists.
But I mean, that's maybe the extent of working with them is doing that.
But, you know, we have ideas on another Frankie game,
but it just...
There's no bad blood if that's what it is.
It was very friendly.
We did our job. We all made money.
We're all happy. It's just like
if Abstract
is probably not launching
a token anytime soon, the game loop
that we built doesn't work
in a non-tokenized environment.
Because the whole point of Frankie
Go is it works as a
cycler for meme coins.
And if meme coins aren't working, then the game can't
really live. So you need to have a whole new game that has a different premise yeah that was kind of my concern
with memes once i saw saw them going to zero on apps but um yeah i'm not really i mean ford is
is a great guy actually maha's a great guy too but um we we also have when i say we i mean me and
and uh the folks that helped build Frankie Go,
we don't really talk with them about.
Yeah, because there's really no, like there's no, until, like Frankie Go is something that can be brought back.
But until Abstract as an ecosystem has real legs, which it currently doesn't when it comes to meme coins,
it's like, you know, you can have the most beautiful car, but if you don't have gas, it doesn't when it comes to meme coins. It's like, you know, you can have the most beautiful car, but if
you don't have gas, it doesn't drive.
Right? So we need
more oil. We need more gasoline
in order for that work to work.
Get that port of Hormuz open, bruh.
Yeah, dude, get that straight of Hormuz
open, right? Otherwise we have to bomb
Park Island again.
But yeah, no, the answer is
I may just bring them into this blackjack game because
this would work without tokens and their art style is really good so that's probably what we'll do
all right say what's up bandit bandit what's up dude you want to play jonah's gay card game
on chain what are you what are you doing yeah i'll definitely try it i love jonah um i'll send
you a link you can play You can play me later today.
Wait, is it live?
Yeah, we already have it working. It just looks too AI-y.
So we have to re-put it together from a design perspective.
Yeah, sure. I'll try it.
Is it launching it on Monad? Is it a Monad product?
Dude, honestly, I don't even know if I'll put it on a chain.
Like, I'm honestly thinking, like,
if the UI UX stuff is good enough
and there's, like, a real loop,
I would just put it on Steam.
Let's go.
Anyway, what's up?
What's good with you, Bandit?
How you doing today?
Oh, I'm just chilling.
I'm on three hours of sleep today.
I was talking to Jonah last night.
I guess...
I don't know what time it was for Jonah,
but for me it was like 3 a.m. or something.
It was about 2 a.m. for me almost.
Who was the big spoon?
Yeah, it was crazy.
I've just been playing Fortnite with all the boys and chilling.
I just signed, got a new job.
So I just signed the thing starting next week.
Oh, man, congrats.
Is it public yet or are you keeping it under half for now?
Yeah, Web3.
No, it's not public.
Okay.
Well, hey, man.
Congrats anyway.
Yeah.
No, I think it's a good time.
Like, bro, like the funny thing is like I'm seeing all these quote unquote content creators
and they're like, no, job.
Job is fucking NGMI.
Bro, like get a job.
You know, you can do both things at the same time.
It's not exclusive to post tweets
and having a job.
It's not too exclusive to things.
You can post tweets and have a job.
Some alpha there.
Yeah, dude.
I'm trying to decide who's going to... Congrats congrats bandit who am i about to beat this stage
because we got requests is anybody done speaking that wants to step down before i yeah yeah i'll
get off because i'm gonna get coffee anyway i just wanted to harass scotty because his uh
co-founder isn't on stage for me to harass i think your level of pettiness is something that we also
have in common jonah there's a, you have to understand an idiot.
There's a common rule.
He who works for the company on stage becomes the core CEO.
That's the rule.
That's fine.
You know, Jonah, I can take it though.
So, you know, you can, you can.
I know, but he can't.
He, dude, he, dude, I don't know if he's been sleeping with Leon or something,
but like if I felt like a sexual, like something was going on there.
Wait, Jonah.
Scotty's mom has got it going on.
If I have an investment with a company, do I need to disclose it?
If I say that they're good on X?
I mean, yeah.
You can just say that you're invested in us if you're referring to us.
Yeah, I just wanted to say, NFA, you know, take with a grain of salt.
I am an investor, but LiveFrame is fucking amazing.
And Jonah is building something really cool.
I'm a big fan of what Jonah's doing with LiveFrame, too.
I think it's actually...
The next step is almost...
All right, since you give me room to shill,
Jesus, we'll get you some deals.
Real quick, cool shit is coming.
By the end of the month, we are expected to have retail ready.
That means, and we'll figure out if it's like between $40 and $60 a month.
Anyone in the world, as long as they have a Twitch dream,
can just sign up for the live frame and start using all the technology out of the box.
The AI, our editing suite that's coming out, all that stuff.
So retail is pretty much nearly ready to go.
We've been building our own version of cap cut
you'll get an early it'll come with the subscription you don't have to pay more which is a good thing
because cap cut is increased their subscription by 3x but you'll get um our editor out of the box
included but we're adding more stuff to it we're also adding a creator network we're not doing
cards like zeta or anything like that but basically when you become a creator network. We're not doing cards like Zeta or anything like that. But basically, when you become a creator on our platform, whether you pay for the subscription or you're just like
one of the creators who sign ups to receive their clip from like a brand,
you're in our creator database, which means anytime we have brands that are looking for
creators, we have an email and like in-app ping system. So you can get paid for campaigns,
but also get ad deals and sponsored deals directly in our app and get paid.
And we don't take any cut of it.
We don't take any price there.
And our clippers are killing it right now.
Like our clippers are going crazy.
So, yeah, it'll all be ready out of the box.
And then after that, we're doing a kick in YouTube, which will be included.
So that's where we're going next.
Let's go, man man i'm excited um especially because i'm you know i'm just in the last like six months or so really since abstract i've started dipping my toe into streaming here with cheese so
you know i think uh uh yeah even if you're not streaming jonah like if i wanted to use it for a clip in audio spaces will it just do that
uh audio no because like i i like x a lot but just like the potential market is is still very
small that being said like i know a lot of people want to use opus clips or something like that and
they want it baked in so the editing software will allow you to upload an MP4, and then it'll produce the ability for you to get some finalized clips.
We don't want to make that the core product, though,
because I think the real product is distribution.
There's two things that we do well.
It's distribution, so the ability for you to get views,
and velocity, meaning like can you compete
with AI creators and AI video that gets made every day non-stop? And the only way to do that is to
just live stream, turn on your camera, and then let our AI assist you almost like a mech in
maintaining that velocity to compete with these AI video creators. Those are the things I think we do
the best. And then everything else that we have included,
we want to make it amazing.
But if you want something just for XYZ,
then we're probably not the right fit.
And I think you have to really lean into what you're good at
if you want to make money.
Yeah.
Well, I mean, I stream every day with the space,
so it doesn't matter.
I mean, it'll still pick up the audio from everything.
Yeah, it'll pick up the audio.
It's just like if you don't stream,
but you want to use our Clipper network
or you want to use our software
or you want to be in our creator network,
you can still do that,
but you'll have to upload an MP4.
Or, well, the other option is
you can pull from a Twitch or YouTube link.
That's obviously an option,
but some people have MP4s.
Yeah.
Okay. Let's go to crypto cobra and then
we'll go to dijoni uh thanks for giving me the mic again i just had a quick question from jonah
is he still in the speaker section ah he left yeah he left no no what was your question he's
up here enough bragging about himself we might be able to answer it for you that's all right uh i mean i really like what he's doing as a video creator because i'm also
a video creator creator myself so i'm looking forward to you know learning from his experience
and i know like he was talking about this um project and company that i think he owns uh so
i was wondering like i don't do, but I have like a specific niche
that I kind of like simplified the vision behind,
like, you know, top tier crypto projects
or Web3 projects.
And I was wondering if I can monetize my skills
in that platform and be able to connect
with other, you know, projects,
if that would be possible.
So that was my question, basically.
But he is left.
Yeah, I would try and get in his comments.
Or I don't know if Live Frame has a Telegram yet.
Maybe.
I don't know.
It has a Discord.
Okay. Well, there you go uh there's your representative right here all right thanks johnny knows yeah bro sorry he sorry he bounced
his coffee was more important uh than potential clients so yeah fuck him um yeah uh did johnny Yeah, fuck them. Yeah. Dijani, what was your hand up for?
What did you want to say?
I have a question for you guys who are earning a lot of money on deals and everything.
How are you having the track of all of the deals?
Do you use an Excel sheet or what are you using?
Do you use an Excel sheet or what are you using?
Because in the last two months, I've been talking about it every day that I'm wipe coding.
And I saw a post how a creator did everything on Excel with how he got deals and everything.
And I have built a wipe coded app with all the possibilities.
Hold on, are you trying to sell us something or are you
trying to
Yeah, I thought the only AI product that was
getting sold on X was courses.
I didn't know there was actual products. Holy shit, dude.
You guys are getting paid?
Does anybody have a good answer
for Dijani? Bandit maybe?
I don't know. I don't have any
deals.
I put all mine on a, Bandit maybe. I don't know. I don't have any deals. Bandit and Jesus.
I put all mine on a post-it note that is on my screen
that I sometimes accidentally share
that has the worthless seed phrases with them.
So that's...
I think you should definitely...
I have pinned up the post
and also the link of the app I have created.
And I would love...
But what you do is always...
Yeah, exactly.
But here's my question.
How is it private?
I don't want all my data in the money that I make and the things...
Wait, wait, wait, wait.
It's all stored on your private local cookie data. And every time you finish something, you could just download it and you will get the Excel sheet.
So you will have there what you did before and what you do and everything there.
And you have a calendar there.
You have a Trello board there.
You have an invoice maker there.
So how free is this app?
It's totally free. It's free it free can be as america is let's go dude yeah you know what i was about to make fun of you
and you just won me over dude let's fucking go dude the boys are back um johnny also by the way
i did finally get one of your common cards um so i am now a dijoni zeke card holder um so don't let me down
buddy anyway uh anon bro how you doing today what's up with you been a minute yeah what's good guys um
i don't know i wanted to come up here i saw an idiot's pfp and i thought it was pretty notable
that shiro was featured for the Ethereum Foundation,
like Manifesto, or, you know, like Vitalik has been kind of like more proactive
or just more front and center around like Ethereum still developing
and sort of hitting the reset button as far as its identity
and, you know, who it wants to appeal to um so to see that
she was featured as like part of that yeah and i'm back up just a little bit because i don't think a
lot of the people that hang out in this space every day would even know who shiro is so like
can you give some context to everybody listening as to like who who she is why she's relevant
you know what i mean yeah definitely um so like full disclaimer not trying
to shill my bags i have my pfp which was a commission um i'm obviously never selling that
and then i have a handful of uh the world computer netizens on mega eth if that ever launches
um but yeah as far as shiro herself she's an artist uh probably the most notable like popular artist to come out
of uh the remelia network right like not a remelia corporation employee did not do the art for m'lady
or any of those projects but um started doing commissions as well as a an ethereum mainnet
collection called shishi it's like shi shI. And then more recently did all of the art
for World Computer Netizens,
which is kind of like, I don't know.
I mean, I see a bunch of people still rocking the PFPs.
Like I said, I have a bunch of them.
It's like a flagship of, you know,
MegaEth, MegaEth fully endorses it,
you know, the whole nine yards.
But yeah, Shiro, just like one with like really
a huge supporter and believer in ethereum since day one she made a character called eth chan
which is like you know this little anime girl or you know something like in that aesthetic for
specifically ethereum and she did some open editions and then she kind of tapered off to
focus on i would assume netizens but yeah uh very recently she was like her art was
featured as the cover as well as i think throughout the uh for what is it called is
it called the manifesto i i think so i could be mistaken too, though. Ethereum. I always forget what even the handle is for the Ethereum Foundation.
I'm hesitant to even get too into this because I still want to sweep five more of these so I can get one of my own.
But yeah, dude, I got to say, I mean, I am a fan.
I didn't really know too much about about shiro until these came out
well i guess until the shishis i saw uh gg you know on alpha co space with a shishi pfp for a
little while and that's kind of where i first heard about this artist uh but yeah dude i just
i like these netizens like it's like the fucking coolest m'lady like you know i hate to even call
it derivative because it's it's unique in its own way but i guess it is kind of a technically a m'lady derivative but it's my favorite of of all the i mean a lot of it is
just like the same art with different traits this is it's it's its own thing and i'm a i'm a pretty
big fan of it i'll shout out the big rug pointed this specific one out to me when i bought it
so like when it comes to remelia inspired pfps derivatives including m'lady itself
like when you think m'lady you think more so identity i think like you think more so um you
know a uh cult you know and this is the pfp of the cult and um you know network spirituality
whatever whereas with netizens my interpretation is their characters.
Like, I could actually see netizens have character development
that became, you know, something animated or, you know, a manga
or something, you know, that's more IP-driven.
And you don't have a lot of IP-driven things out of that ecosystem
because they're huge believers in VPL, which is similar to CCO, CopyLeft.
It's, you know, viral public license, if I remember correctly.
And that just, you know, kind of unrestricts, you know, the creativity or, you you know the output of the network which i think is
really special and has worked really well um like i said shiro i mean uh being a part of the ethereum
mandate and kind of like getting that sort of recognition i'm not gonna say that shiro is the
next x copy or the next people but she isn't far off like dead ass. Like this, this woman is really
talented. She's super passionate. She's been showing up for years and she has, you know,
an extremely loyal base, you know, of her, uh, her collectors, including myself. So, uh, anytime I
can like draw attention to her specifically, I, you know, i am inclined to do so because i just think that
she's outstanding in like you know every way yeah well hey man um thanks for thanks for breaking
that down for everybody because i am also a fan um and if i wasn't stacking these goddamn z cards
so heavily right now i'd be i'd be trying to stack some of them.
Because I do, I won't say my idea.
Those of you that know me probably could guess.
But like, I'd like to get one of these commissions done myself.
Because I'm a big fan of the artist at this point.
I wonder what that would look like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't know.
Who else? Somebody else been up. MasterSand, what's what's up bro you've been up here for a hot minute yeah man i was uh you know last time you pulled up the
other day on uh on the space that we were running with you so i figured i'd come through show some
love yeah man and kind of caught in the the whole zeke conversation at the beginning but
yeah i didn't even know miguel was uh taking over those yeah he's doing a fucking
good job bro yeah yeah miguel does good taking over what he's doing the um uh gu spaces kind
of like a space yeah yeah he's doing good i was uh i was curious though fucking we were talking
about the only fans and stuff like that and i think zeet's platform gives us uh rake you were
testing this out the other day on the other space where you got your own uh way that you can communicate with whoever's
holding your uh zeet cards and stuff like that oh yeah yeah it's not live yet i've connected i'm
waiting on this fucking zeet tarred bot in telegram to reply back uh with a code once scotty hits the
go button but right now it's now, it's just sitting there.
I'm actively talking to my squad.
Putting all kinds of messages in there daily.
But right now, nobody's getting notifications.
Until that happens.
Scotty might have the team over Coin Kong, man.
He had me on a binge yesterday watching some of the stuff that he was building.
That's crazy. But I think the a coin call, man. He had me on a, on a binge yesterday watching some of the stuff that he was building. That's crazy. But I think, I think the platform is good, man. For overall,
like we're starting, I think, I think Z's doing a good job, man. So.
Yeah, I think so as well. Uh, you know,
if we could get their,
their clawed bots or the team to actually do something and give us, you know,
there's, there's people that still want to buy these cards.
They don't know why they're buying them. Oh,ty's still here i'm not even looking oh yeah i know
it's a it's a it's a good way to build off of uh you know off your brand identity we're talking
about this the other day in one of the spaces. It's like, you're all sunny.
Have a great day, okay?
Dropping it off.
Give me one second, boss.
Let's go to Coin Kong while he's working.
I know, but no, tell that dude to hold on.
We're talking about important shit.
Yeah, I'm hoping Coin Kong is building some type of a bot or something that will keep his phone on stage that allow him to stay on stage. Yeah, dude, stop building robots that make sandwiches and start building robots that keep you in cell phone service.
If I didn't fucking come on stage and then you went to every washed up influencer in the space before me, then you wouldn't have to fucking worry about it.
You know what I'm saying?
Jeez.
Well, I bet you...
You know, I fucking love you.
I'm joking.
Well, I bet you a bandit was hosting this.
Your ass wouldn't leave the stage.
You know what I'm saying?
Probably right.
Yeah.
No, what's going on?
Well, Joxie was talking about liking old hot dogs, so that's why I came up on stage the
first time, but she's not here anymore, so...
You've handled quite a few glizzies in your day.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, fifth kid on the way. Let's go.
But yeah,
doing fucking great, man.
What's up? I don't know.
Go ahead. Yeah, fifth kid on the
way. I found out it's a girl. I found out
it's going to be a girl.
Congrats, man. Nice. Congrats.
Yeah. I'm so
glad I did not have a boy because I would
have... I'd probably be in jail, bro. I love my daughters and I'm so glad I did not have a boy because I would have I'd probably be in jail bro
I love my daughters and I'm so
thankful for the both of them
and I could not imagine having a boy
it was yeah it would have been brutal
it's pretty fun
how many daughters
and how many boys do you have
so 17 year old boy
10 year old girl 4 year old boy one year old boy and then
she's five months with a girl bro got fucking perfect diversification that's my investor right
there it was great what am i doing what am i doing with my life that you have a 17 year old and i
am just like ain't on i you know we't, we don't really talk a whole lot,
but I also have like four businesses and,
and fucking doing shit.
IRL.
You know what I mean?
That part I was kind of familiar with.
I knew you were like really,
really successful in and outside of this space,
but I did not know about like that.
You had your shit together as far as your relationship and,
you know,
your family as well.
That's awesome.
Yeah.
It's the dreads that throw everybody off.'s what it is like this is this is what i
tell people i tell people i would live like a fucking king if i lived in anywhere else but la
with five kids and a wife and i'm the only single income coming in you know what i mean like if i
lived anywhere else in the fucking u.s i'd be living in a fucking mansion somewhere. So anyways, but no, it's doing good, man.
I got the fucking build out a bunch of shit.
I'm waiting on my first product for the chef driven skincare line I was talking about with
the organic beef tallow, making butters and shit and moisturizers.
I know I need some of that shit in my beard.
I need some beef tallow in my beard, bro.
It'll be coming out this week. As soon as I get the fucking- I'll put some beef tallow in my beard, bro. It'll be coming out this week.
As soon as I get the fucking...
I'll put some fucking tallow in your beard, buddy.
It's fucking funny, bro.
It's fucking funny. It's like he doesn't need it
like creamy and slimy.
It's not the same thing.
I want to slack that shit in.
The shit I use now, I like it
because of the texture,
but it's like too strong yeah it's like so i'm working on
a lavender and vanilla beard oil that'll be like the fourth product that i'm coming out but i'm
waiting those those aren't those are coming in like three weeks because they're still working
on the formula for it um but yeah man uh building a bunch of shit. And I showed Master last night what I have going on in Discord.
I showed Saul a little bit, but Saul likes to be hypercritical about stuff.
So I stopped talking about what I'm building.
It made me feel bad.
So I didn't share the rest of it.
Man, I showed Master everything.
But bro, I'm fucking...
You're fucked over me, dog.
Why don't you? I'm out here fucking killing it, though, bro., I'm fucking over me dog. Why don't I'm out here?
I'm out here fucking killing it though, bro.
I love you. I told you.
Listen, bro. Listen, bro. You are my top 10, one of my top 10 people, but I cannot go to you when I want to be pumped up about something because you are so hypercritical about coding.
want to be pumped up about something because you are so hypercritical about coding i love you
brother it's hard it's hard to talk to you when i'm excited about something like
okay well i'm doing my job good then because that's like my job actually and that's true
and i absolutely agree with you saw i absolutely agree with you i'm so glad to have you on my side
because i know you'll give it to me real but i just can't go to you when I need to be excited about something.
That's actually good advice.
Don't bring me code that's not
done if you don't want to be
knocked down a bit.
Yeah. And like I told you when we got on
the call, it wasn't ready. I was
showing it to you just kind of like, hey,
what's it look like? I wasn't even critical
on the code because you didn't show it to me. I was telling you
about the process of structuring your life around it. I told like i wasn't even critical on the code because you didn't show it to me i was telling you about like the process of like of structuring your life i told you it wasn't ready
i told you it wasn't ready come to me first i know exactly what saul's actually looking for
and we'll uh you know we'll fluff some stuff around some corners and make sure saul's happy
but no i'm actually excited because saul will be probably the first person that does like
an actual audit for me uh because he is so hypercritical about shit like that.
So I'm actually excited to try to get something into his hands.
That makes sense.
bandit,
you never answered me yesterday.
I tried getting in to get you show,
bread brother.
If you're available tonight,
I would love to show you.
Bandit.
I literally just saw what you pinned to the top,
dude.
What the fuck?
Yeah, no, you know, I'm going saw what you pinned to the top, dude. What the fuck? Yeah, no.
You know, CoinCon will hop on maybe after Burden Space or a bit later.
I'm, like, fixing my sleep schedule so I'm up all night, European time.
But, yeah.
I mean, this is fucking...
People need to stop gooding.
Like, this is not okay.
I think, like, a little bit of gooding in bull markets, sure.
But, like, it's a bear market. Like, to be you know we need to be practicing retention right now instead of
doing it like yeah we still we we haven't talked about that that uh that postal the the woman list
oh my god bro yeah he had he had he had women uh begging in the comments but we're pretty fired up
about that my favorite thing and i wish josie was still here because I watched Josie and A. Cole go back and forth.
And my favorite thing that women do, and I'm doing this generalization right now, and I don't mean to because this definitely doesn't apply to all women.
But I saw the comments about how men in Web3 are so disgusting and how men in Web3 need to be better or we're never going to onboard people.
Ladies, let me just tell you all this right now it's this is the internet okay the men are not
a monolith any more than women are or anybody else and you are never gonna get all men at the
same time to stand in line and act right that's not gonna happen in any industry period it's
internet native so uh yeah just you know mute the weirdos and keep it pushing would
be my advice wait can i comment on that absolutely not take but um i mean i would say at least half
like and that's being really generous but i would say at least half of the women that were featured
in boru's you you know, tier list,
we'd be better off without.
And what's the problem, the real problem is, is that the majority of women that actually contribute positively to this ecosystem weren't included at all, right?
So it like basically featured and highlighted all of the horrors that like get deal flow
just based off of their looks.
And they know it and they they and they totally embrace it and
they like exploit it for all they can like every last fucking penny dude game is game right like
yeah you're hot and you know you can get away with it and and it means you don't have to start
an only fans all the power to you but as far as like that being what people think of when they
think of women in this space
i mean fuck they did it to themselves yeah but i would just say every industry not just web 3
every industry and this isn't even unique to just women every industry period plain and simple needs
pretty people to sell products like there's a there's a very good market for pretty people
to sell products no matter what it is look at koopa do you know who koopa troopa is cooper turley i don't remember him he was like the face of besides
blau he was the face of music nfts and he was trying for for multiple years to make music nfts
a real thing right and then uh ultimately because he was like uh what was it daniel allen daniel allen was
signed underneath uh cooper turley and or cooper troopa whatever you want to call him and there
were a few other up-and-coming emerging musicians rio craigan i think was one of them the point is
that his whole aesthetic was he is the like extremely well-off pretty boy with you know all the fancy jewelry and stuff
from LA and he I'll admit it he had aura right like I'm completely you know comfortable like
straight hetero whatever with my with my sexuality but the dude had aura right and that's all he was was like he was the pretty fucking like
six five dude of of the space that became the leader of music nfts yeah i'm just saying there's
there's always going to be a use case for that kind of thing i i don't know man i i ain't mad
at nobody i thought the list was amusing um uh you know i thought the reaction to the list was amusing is it the kind of thing i
would have posted no but you know i find most things that generate a lot of attention to be
entertaining because i don't take very much seriously in this space you know anyway uh
what's up sol sorry i sent in a text i'm just fucking chilling man and uh and i wanted to uh
like properly address the elephant that i walked into and got ran over by.
Yeah, so, you know, quite frankly, like, Quen Kong asked me to get in the Discord and, you know, show me his agents and stuff.
And I think it's dope as fuck.
Told him that, you know, he started reading me a list of functions that he didn't necessarily know.
My only advice was to make a sitemap,
which, you know, we argued about the sitemap for like an hour. And I'm just trying to drive him into like a proper formula that I see a lot of people missing. Um, and like when I made music
in a studio growing up, like I got grilled by all of my OGs. They wouldn't hand me a mic. They
wouldn't let me on a fucking NPC. They wouldn't let me make a beat on their computer. And the
reason was cause like, I wasn't listening to what they were saying.
And, like, it took me a while to, like, break down the fact that these people, like, were trying to teach me, like, the proper format of, like, how not to be the idiot that's grabbing a mic and sounding like trash.
And that's all I want for CoinKong is I want to be, like, one of the best, like, I want to be one of the best vibe coding devs there is.
I believe he has the capabilities and all of the the sauce but that
means like like you come to iron to get sharpened by iron you you come to a you know i come to scott
i wanted to fucking poke holes in my code you know i come to brett i want to poke holes in my
shit and so i thought he came to me to get holes poked i didn't know he came to get his paint
tickled and he told me that i would just tickle his paint you know i thought he came to get his
fucking code broken i told you it wasn't
ready i just wanted to but we break code straight into the code like i'm trying to teach you we
break code that isn't ready that's what we do as a troop dog that's what we're here to do is help
each other break each other's code so we can get the shit to prod that's the goal i'm trying to
fucking ice out all the bullshit for you i don't want to blow smoke up your ass because i respect
you you know so just next, don't roll a bus
over me. I know I can be an asshole when it comes to
technical work.
You know damn well that I don't think
anything negative about you.
You better stop it.
They don't have the context in here to understand our relationship.
I do this for a living.
I think most of us do.
Most of us do.
Most people on this stage know me really well.
I don't even know if anybody had a problem with it.
Wait, Coin Kong, can I do my impressed...
What's it called?
Give us some content.
Let's hear it.
What's that?
All right.
Andy, you can do literally anything you want on this stage.
All right.
POV Coin Kong is showing me what is built. oh bro. This is fucking amazing. Did you build this alone? Yes, don't
Wait, how are you doing all of this and you're running for businesses?
Dude, he's got like he's got like 50. He's like he's got like 15 agents in a discord all operating together like
Like it's pretty dope. I just want it to be safe. I don't I trust him. I don't trust the agents. That's all operating together like like it's pretty dope i just want it to be safe
i don't i trust him i don't trust the agents that's all i'm saying i you know i genuinely
trust him i just don't trust the agents so i'm trying to like have his have his have his uh
have his six you know yeah no we're just fucking wrong but it's but it's real so like even i was a
developer in the past and like it's yeah like we think very differently than than most people i think i've kind of gotten out of the developer mindset but i remember how it was i was a developer in the past and like it's yeah like we think very differently than than most
people i think i've kind of gotten out of the developer mindset but i remember how it was i
got a phone i got a phone call that was my bad what'd you say bandit oh i was just glazing you
and like doing a your app is actually dope and that it was built by like um a crazy coordination
of agents in a discord i was just saying coin kong i trust you forever and inherently i just
don't like i told you i just don't trust your agents and i don't trust my own agents right
and that's what i've been taught from like the best people in the game is like you know just
like you don't trust a saw when you pass your hand by it i know a lot of carpenters who i worked with
who had no finger like a couple fingers missing and they're still cutting wood but they don't got
fingers you know you know what i'll never trust you know that's fucking uh you know the japanese
chefs they have like this one fish that's really poisonous i don't know what I'll never trust? You know that fucking, you know, the Japanese chefs, they have like this one fish that's really poisonous. I don't know what it's called. Kong Kong probably knows. I'll never eat that shit.
Blowfish.
Yeah, I'll never eat that shit. Because one mistake and I'm dead.
Yeah, well, you have to go. They have to do, I think it's like four years of schooling to even break that fish down properly. And I think there's only like four people
in the entire world
that actually have certifications and do it.
Wait, you can't cook at CoinKong?
Say that one more time?
Yeah, can you cook it?
Have you ever tried?
No, fuck no.
I ain't going for a certification.
A certification, it was like 60 grand
or something like that.
And you can't even barely even get it,
let alone like fucking just order it from anybody. So it doesn't really work that way uh i'll be back in five i
gotta go interview somebody for the three people i fired well good luck um okay what's up heathen
how you doing today bro i'm doing good i just want to say i'm in coin kong's uh top five i did not
know saul uh hated as Asians. And I also should
have been on that tier list at
least the five beers deep level. I'm
pissed.
Ethan, I only need two beers
for you, bro. I fucking put that on.
Hey, yo, chill.
Chill. Chill. What the fuck?
I don't hate Asians.
I just don't trust them. I love a lot of people I don't
trust.
I see here. I don't hate Asians. I just don't trust them. I love a lot of people I don't trust. Um,
let's see here.
good Scotty pumping all three of his bags.
Over here.
Live tweeting.
He doesn't trust Asians.
yes.
I really trust Asians.
You know, and there's like way more trustworthy than Americans. I really trust Asians.
They're way more trustworthy than Americans.
I've got some jewelry returned in Singapore.
I was like, wow, that happened. What? How did that happen?
Achieve, you know what we didn't do today?
Sorry, go ahead. What did you say?
Middle of the summer, you get in your car.
You can't touch the steering wheel. It's too hot. You can't touch anything metal like the seat belt it's too hot does anyone feel that way about their
fucking iphone right now no bro i'm not did you post about this because i think i saw a post and
like it's like one week ago my iphone's been fucking Sahara Desert. I don't know what's happening.
It wasn't like...
What are you guys doing with your iPhone?
Mine also...
Do you have a 17 Pro?
Do you have a 17 Pro?
I do have a 17 Pro.
Oh, I have the same problem.
Yeah.
My battery is going...
A Pro Max or just the regular size?
You guys are running all that AI on the phone, man.
Just the regular one.
And I got on this space.
My phone was over 50%.
It's now under 20%.
I swear to God, they're running some spyware.
There's no way all of us have the same problem at the same time.
No, it's just your fucking chips.
And they have Apple intelligence.
And there's a ton more going on on these phones now.
There was a twitter update they're uh they're they're logging on the back end way too much shit and caching so much shit it's just it's just overwhelming
all sites are starting to log more too as well like every site is starting to log a lot more
because of the the state of the union of ai so yeah i mean i think it's a good observation
actually by what you said because it's only on x i'm finding like it doesn't happen on any other
app it's only on x especially a lot like like my phone will get pretty hot when i'm on discord if
i'm like screen sharing or something um but yeah i mean apple apple phones always have tended to
get hot on certain apps i've found i mean pingu was pingu was talking about this like a couple years ago he's like why the fuck is my phone so hot you know and uh no i mean
i've had that too but that's usually like when they get really old this one is it shouldn't it
shouldn't have this problem this early on you know i wake up every morning and warm my hands on my
fucking gpus bro like every morning like that's why i keep them running at night and so i get
shit done while i'm sleeping i'm gonna go do this right now my hands are cold yeah oh yeah it feels
good kyle what did what did we not talk about because we're gonna rug this yeah what we didn't
do is a market update dude kenny powers had a really laid-back show today yeah he did uh no
different than the market's up everybody just you know be grateful that's all i can say markets are
up uh the tier charts of crypto's best are up you know 55th co-host uh i'm pinning something uh
it has been really impressive did you guys see apparently someone bought 17 million of eath
some og i don't i didn't really read this story but the take profits remember to take if it's green take a little profit you know
17 million and i know uh tom lee bought was it five fifty thousand eath or was it five thousand
eath what did he buy he bought like five thousand yeah he bought five thousand direct from the
foundation uh over the bread Brett, you're also
assuming that I bought some at the bottom
to be up on. I'm just
down 75% instead of
85% now, okay?
So did Tom Lee do an
OTC deal with Vitalik's mom? That's like
hella base if he did that, bro.
Yeah, I think he did an OTC deal
with the foundation
by 5,000 lease. Because I love her, but I hate when she sells. if he did that bro yeah i think he did an otc deal with the foundation like 5 000 leaths and i
love her but i hate when she sells you know it is great that she's maybe starting to do over
the counter deals it's like awesome for her and us oh wait is that a thing i thought you were like
joking no no no she's no she runs the foundation i mean she's like one of the heads of the foundation
um and she cashes out like bits of eth here they're like she'll cash out like a half a
million dollars and people lose their fucking minds like she's gonna ruin the game you know
like god forbid mom who's worked for 10 years on this chain gets paid you know like fuck me but um
you know i think it's like it's great for for them to be doing otc deals or better you know
that's really there's never gonna be a bandit coin but if there is i'm
sending 10 to my mother yeah and be like mom you're on the foundation i need you i trust you i love you
yeah sorry it's been so long since like a notable figure or like a leader in you know the og kind of
like lore you know just before all the meme coin and nft bullshit right like who was here
who was you know excited about eth like there hasn't been a figure like that in a while that
has made a play like this but it's ox billy um and you know they have a crypto punk as their pfp
not that that necessarily means anything but you know it's kind of like getting back to like the the the og vibes the old school vibes before all of the bullshit like i i think that's got to
be a sign that there's still some conviction of those people in ethereum or that maybe now
is the time like you know because a lot of us that hold ethereum or hold a shitload of nfts like
you've been we've been saying for fuck almost
two years now that oh yeah just wait just wait the pump's gonna happen you know uh and you know
we hit 5k and that was exciting for all of a weekend but after that it's been pretty depressing
and there's been a lot of doubt of whether or not ethereum is still king you know besides bitcoin
or if you're as you know kind of irrational as i am i
think ethereum still has a chance at flipping bitcoin in the future right um but there aren't
there hasn't been as much uh support or you know positive those narratives with ethereum and so to
see someone kind of like you know put their uh put their money put their you know uh govern with
their eth what however you want to look at it,
and have it be someone
that's been around a while.
It would be like if
eric.eth decided
now is the time where I'm going to buy
$17 million worth of ETH.
People that you know, they have it,
but they're just kind of
intentionally staying sidelined,
waiting for a signal.
Maybe this is the signal that actually
starts to, you know,
wake up some of those wallets
again. I'm with you, Aynon.
I prefer, I much prefer
the KGB chain over the CIA
chain, personally. I'm with you on that, dude.
Wait, wait, which one is the KGB
chain? I'm just
joking. I'm sorry no but you have something in
vitalik is some fucking is it where's vitalik from i don't even know dude i think it's canadian
russian i'm pretty sure okay that was a reach a canadian russian with ukraine descent it was
definitely a reach but i think i might accidentally hit on something there um anyway uh cheese what are we doing bro i got shit to do i gotta go fucking tear my brakes apart on
this truck today uh about to rug it we're done i see all the people in request uh come back next
time yes which will be tomorrow can i can i shameless plug uh we're actually starting a
space over with burden if you guys are around, I want to talk.
Oh, nice.
Okay, good.
Good space.
I listen regularly.
Yeah, good space.
Yeah, great space.
Scotty, deploy the fucking... Deploy the next...
Deploy the honey, bro.
Deploy the fucking tournaments.
Deploy the fucking Zs on chain.
Dude, deploy my fuzzy bear nuts if you need to, okay?
Just deploy everything.
Anyway, bye, everybody.
Deploy.
Deploy. Deploy the
honey so I can go buy more cards.
Yeah, that's what we need.
Alright, cool. Everybody have a good day.
We will see you tomorrow. Peace.
