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Restaking x Liquid Staking: What’s the real benefit for the community?
Recorded: Aug. 8, 2025 Duration: 0:48:03Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent AMA, Stafi and ECOX unveiled their collaborative efforts to enhance liquid staking and risk-taking in the DeFi space, emphasizing community engagement and innovative financial solutions. With the launch of new platforms and strategic partnerships, both projects aim to unlock deeper liquidity and broaden market access, signaling a strong growth trajectory for Q3.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. oh hello can you hear me
yes steven okay okay uh. So now we'll be waiting for Jackie.
Jackie, are you a cos?
Hello, guys. Jackie, are you a course?
Hello, guys.
Hello, hello, good night.
Hello.
Okay, I think we could start right now. Yeah, I think we start right now because Jackie already told me that this AMA should be 25 minutes
because it has many things to do.
Okay, Jackie.
Right, Jackie, can we start right now?
Hello, Jackie, you're on mute.
All right, I think we'll just start.
Thanks for everyone for coming today.
And welcome to today's special CoMA with Subfi and Ecom.
So our topic today is race taking and liquid taking.
So what's the real benefit for the community?
This is the question that everybody agrees about, right?
And so one of the biggest opportunities we will dive into is
Staff is move towards faith listening out of the liquid.
So our staff, we believe that we can unlock a huge value for our community.
Why?
So, because this is about giving our users deeper liquidity and access to new markets
and more ways to connect stuff is liquid- staking votes and sub-dop projects so
directly into one of the fastest deep-buy trading interests out there that's real utility the
community can feel we think so Steffi and Eacs recently joined a joint campaign, so bring both communities together to learn,
learn and explore what liquid-seeking and risk-seeking can do.
And it's our chance to dig deeper into the partnership
and share what's coming next.
So welcome, Stephen and also Jackie. I'll leave the mic to both of you.
Okay thanks with me. Hi yeah thanks with me. Hi everyone. This is Steven from StaffFive
and you know that StaffFive our vision has been a way to unlock the full potential of stake access on our users.
And right on now, one of the most exciting steps
in the journey is one of,
we believe that we deliver real tangible benefit
to our community is bringing free to hybrid liquid.
So this thing is about giving our community access
to deeper liquidity, faster trading, and a new market.
Why we will create more ways for our LSB and our subdowns
to connect with one of the most high-performance
daily exchange out there.
So it's a strategic move to design to put more tools, opportunities
and flexibility that have been into the hands of our users. So as you know that Hyperliquid
is a permissionless and high performance on-chains audiobook exchange with deep liquidity, lightning
fast execution and support for both spot and perpetual market so our plan is to start
with a spot listing and we are ready to testing the full deployment on testnet
from HIP1 to FIST token to set up to launch the spot market with a strong
initial liquidity once that's live and go growing,
we'll look at ATP on the price listing,
when the time and the market high are right.
So since, because it's so expensive,
it takes around a million worth of high token.
And so we will take this another time.
So we consider Hyperliquid is not another exchange.
So the plan is to listing position.
Our token is fixed for the global traders
and the users and the builders,
they can access it instantly.
And it will open the door for deeper and deeper integration
of our liquidity bond, subdown, and IRI powers,
like SaaS into one of the most composable
trading ecosystem in DeFi.
And speaking of integration, Stafi and Ecos recently kicked off our collaboration with the
JoinZilly campaign, right?
And this is the starting point, what we hope will be the long-term partnership.
And that's why we invite Cheki from Ecos here today to share what we are building and explore
how ecosystem might work together in the future.
Right, Jackie?
Yes.
Hi everyone.
I am Jackie from ECOX and I am the BD Manager.
It's really great to be here with you today.
I want to quickly share what we have been building at ECOX.
We are building a next chance risk-taking platform that makes your ETH hustle harder
without any extra effort from you.
No need to mess around with AVS selection or complicated strategies.
Everything just works.
The rewards are yielded.
They are automatically reflected in your EX ETH plans.
Your stake once and the value keeps growing behind the team they want to build aiq
your defy assistant that understands simple interest instructions to say what you want to do
and it gets done no dashboards and no stride
and with e-cops paid you can schedule recurring payments, salaries, rent, render payouts,
and let the system handle it for you.
Even better, idle funds don't just sit down, they keep working and earning while you do
nothing.
Now, here is the exciting part.
Our product is officially live on Testnet. You are invited to try it, explore the features, and be part of shaping what's next.
This is the kind of crypto experience we've always wanted to force this powerful and build for real people.
Let's build the features of finance together.
of clients together.
Thank you so much for the insights.
So let's move into our key discussion points.
Hyperlocutor has been gaining a lot of attention
in DeFi lately.
So Stephen, why is Stafford looking at the venue for BID?
And what makes it different from other exchanges, you think?
Yeah, thank you, Wimi, for that question.
So when you look at the topic right now, it's liquidity staking and restaking.
What is the real benefit for the community?
So everyone joined the AMA today, maybe want to know what is the real benefit for the community. So everyone joined the AMA today,
maybe want to know what is the real benefit of it, right?
So, at first I will tell you why we choose Hyperliquid, right?
So Hyperliquid is one of the fastest growing fully
on chains or the cookies chains.
So it's on high performance like one.
So the tech is very impressive ultra low latency
difficulties and support for both sports and professional market folks so so for starfire
listing fees on hyperliquid is not just about adding another trading venues uh it's about
working into ecosystem that trader can actually use for advanced strategies.
So on Hyperliquid, we can boost our fees token liquidity and market debt into full transparent
and on-chain environment.
Secondly, we will reach global traders who are already active in derivatives and high
frequency deficit markets. so who are already active in derivatives and high frequency day-free market.
So we also open the door for perpetual futures for fees down the line,
which is can add new users for hedging and leveraging within our communities.
So for right now, the plan is to start with the spot listing so people can trade fish immediately. Later, when market
conditions and community momentum are right, we will look at perfect listing. But this
will require around 1 million high endorsement on hyperliquid, which means timing is for maximum impact so for short it's not just another strength for us
it's the strategic venues where fish can get real visibilities and strong liquidities and the
foundation is for more advanced leafy integration in the future
in the future.
Okay, great.
I think we know a lot, like the main reason that we want to do it.
And also that's a clear picture of why hyperliquid is such a strong fit for fees.
So let's dive in a bit deeper into the actual plan. Can you walk us through the StaffFace step-by-step approach
to getting this listed on Hyperliquid?
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
So as you know that Hyperliquid is a permission list
fully on-chain on the Book.dex.
So listing is a method of deploying
on configuring everything correctly.
So right now we are running in full deployment test to on testnet.
So at first we will be setting up the HIP one.
So our fist token will create a spot of trading is a fist to usbc.
And making sure that the order book is ready
with the strong initial liquidities.
On our roadmap is spot first, then break latest.
The reason is simple, launching a perpetual future market
requires about one million worth of community
high endorsement to make it sustainable.
And we want time to push for when the conditions
and partnership are right.
So the spot listing alone already unlocked a lot,
which is deeper liquidity and enterprise discovery
for fees, and more accessible and cheap point
for trader and long-term holders, and integration of fixed into liquid staking bonds on sub-down strategies
that can connect directly to hyperliquid trading tools.
So down the line, once the high and liquidity are there,
we will revisit the fast listing to open up hedging leverage
and more advanced trading strategies
which is completing the full staff file and hyperliquid integration
okay yes thanks for breaking down the listing roadmap and ste, so next let's talk about the collaboration. So
Stafford recently teamed up with ACOX and the community is being curious. So what does
this partnership actually mean for users in terms of opportunities and benefits?
of opportunities and benefits?
So the partnership between StarFi and Ecos is open the door for more users, more liquidity,
more yield options, and more ways to put assets to work.
At the beginning, we started a joint Zilli campaign.
I think that anyone here who is StarFi Pioneer is not familiar with Dealey right now.
So this is where StarFi and ECOS community can earn XP by engaging with both ecosystems.
But beyond that, we've been discussing on how strength could fit together.
So StarFi will provide liquid-staking products like our token and Ecos will specialize in restaking infrastructure.
So right now the idea we are exploring is our token from Starfire could be restaked by Ecos in the future.
Or we can have liquid-staking bond that can auto-deploy into something like E-, right? So to be clear, this is just a plan
that we are discussing not live yet.
The concept would be to give users to a deal,
which is staking and pre-staking
while keep full liquidity.
So in general, we are also growing community engaging through a main issue like this.
So in here, so the users can share feedback, ask questions and indeed the path of saving
stuff like this move.
So the bigger pictures are just simple.
So we collect more, opportunity more and stronger and definable together.
Right, Jackie?
Yeah, this partnership means a lot to us from a community perspective.
Stepfire has built a strong ecosystem around liquidity staking and eco-x we are building
on that with risk-taking.
Through this collaboration, we are bringing both communities together.
The Zilli campaign was just the first step, and there's more to come.
We are also exploring integrations with Stepwise and making plans accordingly.
Also we are excited to share that eCorp statement is now live. Our community can
finally jump in, try the product, and help shape what's next. At the core of this partnership
is one simple idea, growing together.
Okay, with me.
Okay, great.
Thanks, Jackie.
So it's great to see how this partnership brings both communities closer together.
So now shifting gears a bit, the community has been eager to know that what's next.
So Stephen, can you walk us through the big plans that has lined up for Q3?
Yeah, thank you for this question. So in Q3, it's going to be the big one for us.
So right now, our top priority is moving through HIP proposal to get fees listed on hyperliquid.
If all goes well, this means that deeper liquidity, superficial
market and the ability for our LSB and sub-down to plug directly into hyperliquid trading infrastructure.
So it's not just about listing, it's about making our product more composable with one of the most
advanced data-free layers out there. So at the same time, we're rolling out
new liquid stacking board strategies
designed to work seamlessly with hyperliquid.
So it's like building hedging, leverage chains,
and structure yield product.
So this is going to give our user more tools
to optimize return while keeping tool liquidity.
And beyond stacking, we will push forward
with our WA tokenized inside our SaaS framework.
The same infrastructure that's power liquid staking
can also issue and manage tokenized assets
like gold, equities, and treasury bills.
So giving the users 24 hours,
hours seven days global access.
So the fees is composability and new opportunities.
So we already started working with some few partners
in Web2 and J3 on pilot project.
So expect more updates that will be soon.
Yeah. So in summary, Q3 is about bridging work So expect more updates that will be soon.
So in summary, Q&Q 3 is about bridging work, stacking RWA and data analytics,
and making staff find is a universal capital layer for Web3 and beyond.
Okay, I think that this is the time for Q&A from the community, right, Remy?
Yes.
So thanks for sharing all those exciting updates, Steven.
I can already feel the energy from our community today because there are a lot of comments on
the posts. So let's turn that excitement into action by jumping into the QA and hearing directly from our members.
So we will start with the question from our XAMA announcement sent in by community members had it. So with Stephanie moving towards a face listing on Hyperliquid,
can you share how the team is managing this process
and what steps are being taken to make it a real success for the community?
Stephen?
Yeah, so absolutely.
So listing fees on Hyperliquid is one of our top priorities right now.
And we are approaching it with a clear step-by-step plan and make sure it's smooth and impactful for the communities.
So we already started full deployment test on testnet, which includes setting up the HIP on FIS token. We already created a spot market for FIS and UADC
to ensure the strong initial liquidity in the order book.
So our role now strategy is phosphorus and regulators
because our launching for the special market
is sustainable and required.
Yeah, you know, I already mentioned before,
and we want to time that push the market
condition and partnership are optimal.
From day one of spotting,
users will benefit from deeper
liquidity and better price discovery
and easier assets for traders and holders.
Plus, fees will be integrated into our LSCV and sub-DAO strategies,
so the token can plug directly into hyperliquid trading tools.
So once the hives and liquidity are in place,
we will revisit the perpetual listing to open up hedging leverage,
and advance trading strategies which is completing the full staff high
and hyper liquid integration so to sum up the goal is simple we will make fish more liquid and
more useful and more connected to broader day fee ecosystem thank you uh teddy bear for those questions. So, okay, Win.
Yes.
Thanks, Steven.
And I think we got a real interesting for ACOX.
So next is the
username called
from ACOX.
What unique
features has ACOX
offered compared to
other liquid particles like LIDL, which currently
manages over 40 billion in TUL to attract and retain users. Do you have any idea on that,
Jackie?
Yeah, of course. First of all, a great question and thank you for asking. What makes ECOX stand out is how we combine DeFi and AI into one powerful platform. Here's how we're different from protocols like Lido.
triple earning model. When you restake with ECOX, you don't just earn staking and restaking rewards.
You also get regular ECOX token incentives. That's three income streams from one action.
First, staking rewards. Second, restaking rewards. And the third is ECOX incentive. And the second is general revenue sharing. We are share protocol revenue directly
with eCox holders creating a long-term bond with our community and giving the real token utility.
And the third one is AI-powered automation. It's coming soon actually.
You will be able to manage your strategies without complicated dashboards.
Just tell the system what you want, it's plain language, and it gets done.
ECOX isn't just a staking protocol.
It's a smart, programmable financial ecosystem that rewards and empowers its community.
Thank you for everything and thank you for asking this great question to me.
Thank you, Jackie.
And for those great answers, I think now is time to open the floor to our live audience.
I see already many of you raised your little hand.
So let me pick Jaden.
Can you hear us, Jaden?
I think you're still on mute.
Yeah, hello guys, can you hear me?
Yes?
Thank you very much.
Do you have a question for us?
Yeah, thank you very much for the opportunity.
So, like, I kind of, like, love the topic exactly.
So, my question is, like, how does a dual-staking model combine the liquid-staking and its taking
affect stocking velocity and inflation
and in the event of market volatility or slashing what scapegards are in place to protect the value
and price stability of stakes derivate tokens did you get me no i cannot get you can you pick it slowly. So this question is for who?
Okay, yeah.
I would love the question to go to Steven.
He is particularly concerned about the hard token.
So I just want to know, like, how does the dual-staking model,
like combining liquid-staking and restaking,
affect your token velocity and inflation?
And in the event of market volatility
or slashing what safeguard you have in place to protect the value and price stability of stake
derivates token did you get me so you mean that uh you uh consider about uh when the model is
combined with taking and restaking in the market is not stable right now right so what do we do right so this is I get you so am I am I am I super right about that yeah yeah you can answer that one first yeah yeah okay okay so, so combining liquid staking and restaking can actually help users navigate an unstable market.
With liquid staking, you can keep your assets stacked on for you, but still have a tradeable token and you can move or sell anytime.
So with restaking, you can add another deal layer and often securing more network on AVS.
So when the markets are volatile
and the liquidity is with more yield stream
can give users more benefit.
So you can rebalance hedge or access position quickly
without losing stake reward.
Of course, if you have risk management, so you can easily withdraw and diversification of cost
strategies and integrate with a very new life, have liquid and hedging tools.
with a venue like Hub Liquid and Hensel tools.
So, the second part when you said is when markets are stable,
so combining liquid,
set stacking and restacking will give you
new and flexibility, yeah, I think.
Okay, Jayden, about restacking,
I think that you have more ideas, or can you help me to answer this more directly to this guy?
Okay, all right, yeah. So, Lahem, thank you.
So, just like with users delegating their assets to both Starfire and ECOX, how do you avoid governance centralization?
And are there any mechanisms in place
to preserve decentralization across these layers
taking protocols?
Both speakers, please.
So, Jayden, you are already, I repeat your questions, right?
Chikki, are you on there or you are out?
or you are out?
Okay, I think that's a question for him for restaking.
Okay, so could you please help?
Jayden, I will help you.
Yeah, yeah, I may hear you.
Jackie, are you still there?
I think we got a great question for you
uh i think that he's uh he's not here right now all right all right all right can you do that for Yeah, okay. So when token staking model combining liquid staking and restaking when market is not stable, so the restaking, when you add another layer of reward by securing
more network and service. So together you can diversify your yield resource and keep the
option to move hedge or exit without losing your staking position. So, which is exactly what needed for shopping market.
So, do you satisfy with my answer, Jayden?
Yeah, that's very good.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, thank you, thank you, Jayden.
Thank you, Jayden.
I hope for the staking,
checking will answer you,
but I will answer for you as well.
So, sorry for that.
Yeah.
You can also uh get the
question in the discord group or gg group we will invite jackie to do the answer yeah okay okay uh
yeah okay thank you so the next question please uh let me please pick for me. Okay, let's see.
Ben, are you here with us?
With the little cat. I think you're on mute.
Hello, I'm audible.
Yes, please.
Is Eckhart back now?
Do you have a question for him?
Eckhart is not here, Ben.
I'm so sorry.
Please ask the question.
Okay. Thank you very much. I want to know, like, you know, restaking introduces a concept ofization risk such as those seen in dominant platforms like the LIDO?
And what specific measures can communities take to maintain, decentralize and avoid olipoli and staking tanking?
Can you repeat again slowly?
I just let me repeat again.
It's what you mean is how liquid stacking and re-staking combine together
and how community can fully understand both, right? Am I right? And you mean that what is our education about
for the community can fully understand both right yeah yeah yeah okay for linguistics and
restaking i i think that i already answered you so I can repeat again.
For request staking, when you stack a token, you can get the tradable token back.
So in Starfire, for example, when you stack ETH, you can have R ETH back.
So when you stack ETH, you can have R ETH back.
And so that's your fund and you keep earning reward
and you can steal them in the fee.
For restaking is when you take the stake token
and stake it again and to earn extra reward.
Often helping to secure more network and service.
So thing you like is your money is earning interest in one place,
but when you put it in interest, it's earn more. This means that you can unlock it twice.
So this is what the liquid staking is taking. And how we let the community to do that to
understand more about them so I think that if you check our community page and our announcement so on medium on mirrors on on staff and mirrors on
staff and Twitter or X on this call we open the discussion topic as well as
some quiz in every night so to educate the community users what we are doing so
right now we not just focus on liquid
stacking anymore so we focus more on our WA reward assets and we focus more on
in the our plan in the futures is how to get fish listed on hyperliquid which is
very hot trending right now and people people are sweating, getting crazy about that.
So I think that this is not just about liquid-staking
and restaking, but we care more about the community
and how we can deliver the message to the community.
So this is what we are doing right now.
So this is not just about our staff, our staff doing that, but for our loyal community users, we also have another.
So we actively helping another. So we try to make our community users more active and helpful.
Yeah. So this is what Staffan is doing right now. So I think that's
the answer we stay satisfied for your questions again.
Yeah. Thank you, Stephen. I also want to know, like, how does your liquid-staking model
address the challenges of illiquidity in staked assets? And what specific use cases are you
targeting to drive adoption of your
IRR tokens in decentralized finance protocols oh yeah Ben I'm so sorry because we we just
have limited time so this person is one questions only but could you please leave the DM for me
leave the DM for me for Starfire official channel so I can help you answer these questions for you Ben.
I know that you are very active.
Okay?
Yeah, thank you.
No worries, Ben. You still get the reverse.
Yeah, yeah.
Okay, Wemi, could you pick uh pick for me uh the last users please
yes i think we can go
then
hi sam Hi, Sam.
Yes. All right, it's great. Thank you so much for the privilege. So my question is regarding the stake in the sale.
So it said that to withdraw our compounded ex-heats that we would need to swap it before withdrawing.
So I would love to know, wouldn't that cause like additional gas fee to maybe unwrap and then
withdraw?
Or would it just be done directly?
Sam, could you please repeat the question slowly and loudly for me.
I already lose connection for one second.
These things.
Sorry.
I'm so sorry.
Hello?
Hi Sam.
Hello.
Is there anyone?
Sam, I just hear that you are
just a little bit
about the chat.
I just hear that you are
just a little bit
about the chat.
I just hear that you want to withdraw or you want to swap before withdrawing.
Is it something like that?
I hear that.
I just hear that.
Sam, you just hear that.
Sam, you are on mute. I cannot hear you say anything.
Okay.
For if your questions is about withdrawing, why you take the reward?
I can answer this to you Sam.
In most case, if you take reward in rock or compound form,
you just pay a small gap fee to un-draft and swap before withdrawing.
So because you are converting it back into the base token,
so you have to pay for that.
And in that way, you don't have to do multiple steps unless you choose to just un-drop it so i
think that and you just need a little time to unstack your your your token so is it that what
you mean sam i just repeat again the question for me or my answer to satisfy you i think that the same drug from the conclusion i tried to
invite him again yeah i can't hear you yes yeah thank you sorry my um connection was a bit bad so yeah um i said why do we have to um unwrap before we can actually make the
withdrawal um because unwrapping would also require me using gas fee to unwrap it um that is to the um
to the normal version um that's the heat itself so why do i have to unwrap before i could actually withdraw
why not just do that directly and the system makes the unwrapping so you want to to just
unwrap right i think that think it's super easy.
Actually that normally we take 40 days
when you unwrap the token.
And you just need to take a few guests
to pay for the unwrap.
And it takes you around 40 days.
When unwrap the token is super easy and I think that the ratio for APY
on our staking side is super good you can check is around from 10% to 20% per year
so I think so right now we have we support something, let me check again.
For it, BNB, say fish, yeah.
And so many more when you check on app.startfire.io
and IPY is really good.
So I think that's my my answer is satisfied yes yes yes sorry I'm just to make one more clarification before I leave if that's
permitted can I go ahead yeah all right yes yes so um what would be the penalty for let's say on staking on time
is there like a certain percentage because it differs um on different protocol on different
protocols um the penalty for on staking early let's say i stick but i want to like on stick before um the due dates so what
penalty what percentage do i get to lose among the reward and others
you mean that when you stick so is there any penalties right
yes if i decide to on stick early that is I stick for a 30 days duration or I
decide to on stick let's see after 10 days yeah of course you have to pay for
penalties of course when you take something like FIS or when you,
when you take, for example, in Starfire,
we don't take the penalties,
but you take time to receive back the token.
This is for them for FIS token let me tell you
a FIS token when you stack FIS on our site you will receive all FIS return FIS and it may
take you around 14 days when you receive the token fish pack yeah so I
will tell you more is the IPR for fish is too high it's around 10% so this is
luckily so you don't need anything to pay penalty for that yeah
all right um thank you so much for answering my questions that'll be all of it
yeah yeah yeah so you thank you okay okay uh we're meeting that's on for today
yes i think we're all good with the questions.
Thanks everybody for the attention to us.
So, we've covered a lot today from how risk taking and liquid taking can work hand in
hand, to why this listing a hyperliquid is more than just a milestone. So it's about unlocking deeper liquidity,
perpetual markets and new integration
that give you your community and more engage
or in the DeFi space.
So thanks again for joining
and let's keep pushing the boundaries
what's possible in taking restaging
thank you everybody for coming okay thank you everyone for joining today uh okay uh so and
hopefully that we try our i am i next time for one or two weeks later. We will talk more about what we do in last month
and what will our plan next.
OK, thank you.
Bye bye.
Jackie's back.
Goodbye to everybody.
I think, and I hope we'll see you next week.
See you guys.
Bye-bye.
Have a good night, everybody.
