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the space so that way just gets out there and we can get started in a second now.
Alright, you guys want to get started? You want to start with just a quick intro? I'll start off. I'm this familiar cow from the Amletorchane cow. With 9 realms, we do primarily infrastructure and security for torture. And I have to be honest
business with you guys today with with Rango and and Kirin from Rocketex and this is kind of celebrating the integration with with Rocketex and and Rango and obviously
We wanted to just get together and just learn a little bit more about the Rocket X platform. And then what you guys are offering is like what your all like product is. And yeah, so good time to get on.
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can improve about themselves as well as our integration and your platform. So do you want to make an intro about UR Architects?
Yeah, I'm sure. First of all, thank you for having me here. It's an absolute pleasure being part of the Streeterspace and share more details about Rocketex and our integration with both Rango as well as Torching. Well, about myself, I come with 20 years of experience.
in the financial services domain. I have been working with some of the leading banks banks across the world, all my career, implementing banking solutions to improve the process and user experience for their
customers and also payment solutions. So that's been my career and yeah, around 2016-17 I started exploring crypto space. First came to about Bitcoin and then I was really fascinated by
the entire distribution ledger technology that you don't need a bank or a centralized entity to be able to have access to financial services that's just mind-blowing and giving the power back to the common man.
And everybody can contribute to the network and everybody can reprival that's really amazing concept and that's where I started exploring more about crypto space and
And yeah, the just journey with a rocket X started couple of years ago. And what we do at rocket X is primarily aggregate all the centralized and decentralized exchanges. So we have so far aggregated
We give access to 300 plus dexas and the top six centralized exchanges on our platform. And when it our approach has been
like we don't want to reinvent the wheel again on the deck side. There are really very good aggregators in the market both on chain and cross chain map and that's where we have partnered with Rango.
for the crossing deck swaps where
You have done an amazing job in integrating all the leading cross chain bridges in the market. I think 20 plus bridges. I don't know what's the number right now. Maybe you can throw some light when it is your turn.
And yeah, as part of that, you have already integrated Thor chain, which has been revolutionizing the way one can access cross-chain swaps primarily with Bitcoin, where otherwise they're just lying in people's wallet and
And even if you want to use your Bitcoin, it's a cumbersome process. And a truly decentralized way to make Sfabs with Bitcoin across, I think, seven or eight blockchains right now.
Thanks to your integration, we're able to make use of it and also make torching accessible where our cortex2R users as well. And our focus is primarily on our proprietary
Tech is primarily aggregating the centralized exchanges where there are not many players in the market right now and that's been our approach to collaborate with partners like you and Torchain.
on the deck side, whereas we put our energy and focus on aggregating the centralized exchanges. And then to make it easy for our users to be able to access the entire global liquidity via single UI. And also we're going to launch our API soon.
for the DApps and wallets to be able to make use of this simplified access to global liquidity. So yeah, so that's pretty much
what we're doing at Rocketex.
really is a lot of Martin from Rhino Exchange or somebody from Rhino Exchange.
Sure, so my name is Martin. I'm the head of marketing and development in Drengo. I think all the community I'm in the tour chain know how Rango works, but I want to make a quick brief about Rango.
and go around with the cross-chain Dexamberage aggregator that recently enables inter-probability between 53 block chains and we integrated plus 23 bridges as well as plus 15, 50 dexas into our date and
aggregator protocol. Also, with power of torchain, we enable the interoperability between UTx or such as BTC to other chains. For example, BTC to a startnet or BTC to customers will have chains, not even just for example atom but also
also, Asmosis, Kujira, etc. and thanks to Thurching. Also, we have a great partnership with Rocketix to bring this feature into their great platform as well. Yeah, that's awesome.
Hopefully is my audio a little bit better now. Sorry, I switched the headphones up on you guys. Yep, yeah, I can Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm wondering a little bit about you guys your guys partnership so like for like for Rocket X what what made you the want to work with Rango as a cross-chain?
exchange partner and then also across the board. What made the partnership really the ideal partnership for both you guys? Because both you guys are really big players in your own space and the decentralized exchange agitation and the decentralized exchange agitation.
Yeah, so as I mentioned earlier on the deck side, you know, we have primarily our approach has been to collaborate with the existing aggregators who has already done amazing job like Rango is a perfect fit for us.
Because we don't want to again go and aggregate each and every bridge over there, which Rangu has already done amazing job and the APIs are really really really dollar-friendly to integrate and yeah, our users are enjoying both on chain swaps and cross chain swaps via Rangu.
And our approach has been to focus our our development efforts more on the proprietary tech, which is that getting the centralized exchanges where we see there is a gap in the market, not many players are there. So that's where we want to put our
Dolmint efforts and collaborate on the deck side with aggregators like Rango to help our users access both leading central
and use centralized protocols on our platform. So yeah, we are really glad we could find our partner in Rango and help our users.
Thank you, Kieran. Thank you. Yeah, and from the Rango side, like, I mean, is there anything else to say about like the partnership between Rango and Rocketex? Like, I'm not sure exactly like what your guys relationship is. That's why I was just just wondering like,
Oh no, in Rangoside, I think one of the exciting things that happened with our partnership was the unique side of the rocket, because rocket is integrated, other centralized exchanges and we can play and users can check decentralized solutions
like us with the centralized solutions and they can choose between them. And I think that's a really great site that users in Web3 can check all the possibilities and choose between them.
Cool. Do you guys also aggregate all the centralized routes that Rockenex does? Or is it mostly just them consuming like your guys decentralized exchange API? Right now, just they integrated our solution, but
We should see how they can prepare their API and other things. Yes, we are right now working on launching our APIs. They're not yet ready. So we've been couple of months, we should be ready with our APIs. We already are getting pretty good traction from
and founders in my network already who used our app, they are more than happy to use our APIs for their D apps and wallets as well. So that's a good sign that we got pretty strong pipeline of interested clients to integrate our APIs.
So really looking forward to launch RAPIs and yeah, maybe down the line, you could see a lot of apps into rating RAPIs as well. Awesome. Great. Yeah, that'd be really interesting to see. Just more, just that,
Especially if you're running to pick up your guys roots or just any aggregators that pick them up, and that's just more and more roots that's available to the water space. Is there anything notable to say about any of the centralized exchanges that you guys support? Like any of them that have really good price execution or perform really well on certain rates?
It's just like anything interesting to say about that like aspect of things. Sure. So that's the beauty of, you know, with Rocketex is that there is no, I mean, I'll keep getting this question. How many swaps go through?
through DEX and how many swaps go through centralized X-chain, who provides better rates. With the data we have so far, what we could conclude is there is no clear winner. For given swap combination, based on the amount,
the time of execution for the same combination, you know, a Dex could provide a better rate and it's based on the amount also the sometimes centralized exchange could provide a better rate. And that's where we play the role to make it really simple that at a given point of time,
We get the codes from all the leading centralized in decentralized protocols and architects and help our users with the best rates at any given point of time. And what's even better is even though we suggest this is the best exchange, user can always
So, for example, torching,
provides the Bitcoin steps, you know, is as less as two minutes. Whereas with centralized exchange, it takes in very between 20 to 30 minutes. So that's the kind of flexibility where user can choose, you know, if it is really pressing time, torching is obviously
the best option and also you can compare it across exchanges and choose whichever exchange you want to swap. So you calculating the time for the best route as well, right? Exactly. So each
root also has an indication of what is approximate time it takes for the swap to complete. Great. Yeah, and then it also like I like it because it displays everything in a very nice way where you can easily see like what the what the difference is between execution and execution time.
and price and everything like that. You get a pretty clear picture of these different rates on four different centralized exchanges and like, and torching. So you can get a pretty clear picture of all the different places you can go to actually make the trade that you want to make. Yeah. Another important thing which we call
But I can't know from our communities, you know, there is certain centralized action. I don't want to name it, but one of the community, some of the community says, okay, I don't want to root mass, swap wire, this centralized exchange, even though it is giving better rates because of whatever experience they had. And that's where the trust
comes into the picture and the users would prefer to swap via torchain or rango if they see the name because they love the project or they trust the exchange rather than other exchanges. So, user at any given point of time have lots of
options on rocket X we never run out of options you can pick your favorite exchange.
Great, really great. And just for my curiosity, do you have a number that how many users choose the centralized and how many choose the centralized or you don't have a number? Just a rough number, what's the same user, you know, mostly
slightly does swap across centralized decentralized exchanges because it's not like always some users route. Saps only by centralized or some users swap only by decentralized that's a bit rare, but the same user. Saps across both centralized and decentralized
is what we have noticed. And also at a high level, the number of steps going through Dex and centralized exchange is almost like 50/50, maybe 48/52 or 46/54, not much to choose. This is almost like-- Oh, great.
And one more thing I would like to add here is right now we we support around 90 blockchains on on Rocketex and every other day there is a new blockchain coming up layer one layer to blockchain coming up in the market.
And we are able to launch support to these upcoming blockchains in as good as in one week's time with our CX integrations. And that's where also we're getting a lot of traction with the because all these L1 and L2s have a huge following and they
They would want to have a decentralized way of accessing their favorite blockchains. And that's where we also find a lot of traction and user adoption on those lines. Do you guys find that most of the swaps are executed on price execution?
So whichever exchange gives the best price execution for the given trade that's really the route that ends up executing the swap or like are there any other any patterns like in that in that regard because I'm just curious whether like are people in on your eyes a
change pretty much always going for the best price execution or they bias towards like certain they like trading on certain exchanges more than others or like are there any patterns you found? Yeah, everybody likes best rates but what we also noticed is some users
prefer the time over the best best rate. So for example, by centralized exchange, let's say this fab takes minimum five to 10 minutes, but why a Dex? It's almost like instant. So users prefer a Dex.
you know, when there is not much difference in the code. And second, we also use the trust place image role and the exchange, for example, I'm sure somebody sees start chain.
They would prefer torching because of the less time it takes and also because of the trust they have on torching right so these are all the factors which we know these users
And I use this as a tool using an exchange.
Interesting and you said to you you guys were implementing a new blockchain basically every week Like you guys have a fairly large team like you must have a pretty Like if you guys are shipping that much then you guys must be like very like in sync and just like just constantly
building. So I'm wondering like how big is the actual Rocket X team? So that's a pretty interesting question. So we are a team of 10 and across all the all the verticals and our development team is around
4 people and what helps us launch these new blockchains at a good pace is the way we have designed the product. So it's kind of a configuration rather than a lot of development that's involved in launching a new
a blockchain on on on Rocketech. So, so that design is helping us where we could launch with minimal effort.
And right now, the time that takes to launch a support and new blockchain is the effort involved in integrating the wallet because wallet is the gateway
to access any blockchain, right? So that's where we also have planned down the line to launch a walletless swap where user need not connect the
wallet and then they can they can still do the swap from any wallet of their choice. And that's where we're looking at supporting more than 200 blockchains before end of this year.
Where user can do cross-chains map across 200 blockchains from any wallet of their choice Yeah, that's definitely one of the problems that we've noticed that nine realms is just while doing all this integration work and just saying like who can we get to like use
store chain services in the back end, it really boils down to a wallet problem. Because even if you're an exchange of your payments person, it all boils down to the signature because that's really where the base execution of the blockchain actually happens. You need something to generate that signature, then broadcast it to the blockchain.
So yeah, I want to get some more perspective on your experience like with with wallets and like so let's do are you guys planning on supporting new wallets? I was what's been your experience integrating integrating new wallets because like for example
I know DoorSwap, one of the largest, you know, one of the other like large multi-chain aggregators, like similar to Durango. They've kind of baked that into part of their UX of their swap kit, which is like their kind of API that they're
that they're shipping out to organizations and what they're doing is they're baking the wallet kind of into that. So they have like the ledger connection, the trezzer connection, X-D-Fi obviously, but it all just boils down to like, yeah,
We got to support a Vickwin wallet. We got to do the EVM wallets too.
Yeah, I'm just wondering how you guys are thinking about that and what your plan is going forward to. Is wallet support a priority? Is that just mixed in with all the other things and less of a concern to you guys?
Yeah, that's a great interesting question, right? So to start with our approach has been to identify those most used wallets with most downloads and most popular wallets in, you know, for each blockchain and support them to start with and then keep extending
to other wallets as well because that's a gateway to use the app and that's exactly the problem we want to solve with walletless app because how many of our wallets you integrate there are still some wallets you know community keeps asking when I go and integrate this wallet when I
going to integrate that wallet. So there is never ending and there are new wallets coming up every week as well. So that's where we believe this walletless swap, you know, is something where people can use that irrespective of whichever wallet they're using.
So that's kind of going to solve till we launch support to the wallet which we have entered supported on the app. So maybe I would also like to understand
and Rango's perspective how they go about the wallets because even they support lots of blockchains and what's the criteria, how they approach about the wallets.
Yeah, are you there? Yeah, there you are, Martin. Yep, yep. So regarding the supporting the ballots, also I want to release some alpha news regarding that you want to open source.
our valid support that other project can use and integrate other valid easily. But our strategies is based on that how much users that each valid has and everyone to integrate them to
get the more users and do some for example, a co-ancement to bring all the attention about both projects. So, but in general it's really hard work because each blockchain, for example non-evian blockchain has its own
a philosophy for integrating. For example, we are supporting StarNet, so we need to integrate our agent or other ballots in the StarNet ecosystem, and it's quite hard to print all the best ballots in the UI.
Yeah, it would be really nice to see you guys start to ship that wallet connect flow with the Rango API because that would also just mean as you guys ship more wallets and obviously more chains come, you know, more, more chains comes more wallets is just inevitable.
integrate your API with a B-rocket X or whoever else also has access to every single wallet that you guys support and then can do pretty much any trade route because the limiting factor in my eyes is a lot of the time the wallet because you do, like if you're doing a Bitcoin swap
on Rango or Rocket X, you need an X-D5 wallet. How many Bitcoin users have X-D5 wallet versus Ledger versus Trust wallet versus something else. And maybe not every single wallet
connection is possible at this moment. But it's obviously something that we're iterating towards. Something like wallet connect or something would be huge. I don't believe that's possible yet, just because it's the way they don't support adding opportune and things.
Yeah, just like with every new wallet connection, that's just more users that can use the actual swap service. >> Exactly, exactly.
So yeah, we would love to see more wallets on on both your ad exchanges. Is is is running in particular that you guys? Or is it is it's still like you guys still thinking about that problem? Regarding the interweating more like this. Yeah, yeah.
Right now we are supporting around 21 valid. I should check it in our UI. But I think Sinan from our team is here. I think if he wants to add something
you can put it as a speaker and he can elaborate more about it. Sure, sure. I just invited him if he wants to come up. If not, that's cool too. So next question that I wanted to ask was, what kind of swap routes do you guys
find are the most popular and yeah I'm just trying to get a gauge of like which roots do you think that like people really really swap through a lot and just drive a lot of volume through you guys protocols like are there any that really stand out above the rest
Yeah, I would let Rango take this question because they have lots of data. Are sure in our site, for example, the stable in our vitro also optimizern material.
and BSTM polygon are very popular and other tokens in those blood chains and for non EVMs BTC, let me think more.
the BTC is very popular in Rengua as well. But most popular chains are these chip-plug chains. I mean, arbitromal, optimism, ethereum, BSE polygon, and BTC.
A given comes to a rocket X we have observed here differently across EVM. The numbers are high, but surprisingly also we see a lot of cross change maps where some other upcoming blockchains like telos, metis,
And the Tron network, you know.
And even, we just launched a bitnser network yesterday and we already have people starting to use a bitnser and Kaspa, a Kaspa network we launched today. So all these upcoming blockings as well, we see the cross
change swaps happening, but yeah, definitely the most volume is with EVM blockchains. It's definitely interesting that it's EVM blockchains still better doing a lot of volume on the centralized routes because there are a lot of decks options for EVM
change. So it is kind of interesting to me that I'm not like it's so many. I'm not differentiating. Yeah, I'm not differentiating between centralized routes, but in general, because we support both. So in general, the cross-chainsfabs between EVM are high in volume, are high in numbers.
Another thing that maybe is another reason for seeing high volume in EVMs is because of, for example, users can easily set up a meta mask and do their trades, but for other non- EVM blockchains it's pretty hard to find the best value.
or maybe they are not familiar with the best wallet in those ecosystem as well. Yeah, that's a good point. And part of me does think that's why that the word chain is the way that it is. It's just it all boils down to the wallet and it all really comes back
If you have a wallet that people use and is easy to connect, then there's a lot of activity. It really just lubricates activity on the on-chain. People can do things really easily. A lot of people use Metamask and EVM wallets. Not a lot of people use...
like that. I just want to think I wish we did see more was just like more innovation in the wallet space on that regard because it's like I do feel like the Bitcoin wallet space is just kind of like it is stale. There's really no one like doing it
anything innovative on the Bitcoin mainnet side. Although I do think there are some interesting things going on in the sidechain land sort of stuff where they can be a little more proprietary. But obviously that's not like that.
Like that doesn't actually help the the core of the problem of like yeah, we need better better Bitcoin while it's it have like adoption, but also like exactly build on top of them. Exactly, especially most of the big boys and waves using ledger's treasure or other hardware ballets.
Yeah, exactly. That's a pretty good point over there. And all the the the whales, the holding all the bitcoins. When they started way back in 2009 or 10, the wallets at that point of time, I don't think most of them even support defy today. So there is no way they can
can connect their wallet to torchain or rock decks or rango right. So that's where I think xDifies making a pretty good progress. I see they're adding lot of new blockchains, upcoming blockchains like they added support to lot of cost most recently and even near blockchain.
And this is kind of an exgeneration wallet that's going to make it really simple for the users to be able to use one wallet and have all their tokens on different blockchains via single wallet and you can still
also connect to a ledger as well by XDify. So I really like what XDify, you know, the approach they are taking. And yeah, I started using it a lot later as well.
Because of the user friendliness and also be able to connect to let you know, let's evolve it. Yes, true. I almost forgot that there was ledger connection directly in XC5. So you can just even if you don't have ledger support are like baked in kind of like like the horsewap does or you can just connect it without XC5. It is nice to be able to just do it through the wallet.
I would love to see just raw ledger support on your guys' platforms though. I think that would be a really nice step forward in terms of the total number. Just supporting more wallets and especially wallets that a lot of people use to secure their funds. I would love to see it if you guys put
If you guys had ledger support like baked into the baked into the API that that rocket actually consume, I think that would be pretty cool Sure, that's something we started working already So yeah, maybe a month or two we should be able to support awesome you guys are shippers so maybe like two three weeks
Yeah, all it is, you know, big time taking.
Cool. Also, if people from the audience want to come up and ask any questions towards, yeah, just about the raw chain Rocket X or Rango, we can definitely open up the floor and see if anyone wants to come up. I did have like
One or two more questions just about centralized exchange, aggrdation. I'm wondering, how does it work from Rocketex's point of view? Do you guys have to go to all these centralized exchanges and say,
We need API keys or do you start a partnership or something like that? How permissionless is it? How is it easy for you guys to start aggregating more and more centralized exchanges? Or is it as easy as just getting an API key and just sending trades out?
Well, there is lots of process involved in integrating a centralized exchange to start with. We work as exchange brokers with decentralized exchanges.
And then there is lots of due diligence. And yeah, when you make use of the APIs to integrate the centralized exchanges. And again, it's a cumbersome process because different exchanges have different
different APIs and how different ways of different nomenclature, different naming conventions, everything is different the way their code works and everything.
There our primary job is to make it really simple for the end user and give that seamless experience in respect to which our exchange they are doing the swap on Rocketex.
Right. So I think that's, you know, Martin also he can share his experiences or the pain points while building Rango because I can I can really understand how when you are
integrating multiple blockchains or multiple bridges and exchanges. As an aggregator, the one thing is really important is to ensure that your end user has the same seamless experience
It is what you are routing the USWAP. That has been the major challenge.
when it comes to integrating either with the leading centralized exchanges or the leading Dex is out there. And right now we have integrated top six centralized exchanges and we aim to integrate at least the top 10 centralized exchanges on rocket decks.
your Martin maybe you can share some of your
explains as well integrating.
I think the most important things when you want to integrate other blockchains, especially for non-invmchains, is to bring the best user experience for users.
you should bring the best bridge that don't face with many, for example, transaction, failure or other stuff. Also for the dexaside you should choose between
the best liquidity in the space that you want to bring the best rate for all the users. I think it's most a hard part for integrating the blockchains in the aggregators.
I just wanted to know if like there's anything that you think like the Thor chain protocol should be doing to like you know just have a better
product for you guys like are there certain chains like certain just other other features that that would make your guys experience better or you know your guys user experience better like you know like
really really demanded chains or you know just things that you think would really just just level up the whole experience and just make it a better product in general.
Well, yeah, the more the merrier, but again, the pace at which the new blockchains are launching, I mean, it's really difficult to keep up with how many blocks
and every other day you come across news that some new blockchain has raised some hundreds of millions of funding.
is good that lot of funding is happening in the space and lot of innovation hopefully follow. And at the same time, it's a challenge to pick up which blockchains you want to spend your energy time and effort in in supporting. So that's where we typically
Get the request from our community when you have really active community, they keep coming up with suggestions and recommendations which to pick from. So we also consider the feedback from our community while picking up new blockchains.
Yeah, so I mean it's a challenge. I don't have an answer, you know, which blockchain we look for. So every blockchain is good. So I don't know, maybe Martin, you can share your views.
That's the best approach, chain agnostic. We are the same. Also, for example, we listen to our community based on the which blockchain we should bring or other blockchain community that
want to bring or if they want to enable this in propriety while your rank goes so we want to we also integrate them as well but in total we are chain agnostic like you Kiran because we like all the blood chains
Cool. So I have one question for both of you. So it's like, you know, the crypto space, it's very tricky, right? So you see a lot of
The trust is basically the trust is very less when it comes to trusting any exchange, right?
The question is in two parts, why you chose to be anon, and secondly, how do you deal with establishing the trust factor being anon, and what are the challenges you face, how do you overcome them? >> Yeah, sure. I can kind of go into this question a little bit. I'm not really that
like, "Ainon, I've been around, the non-Rome team isn't really that, Anon." But a lot of the core team, the original founding team of Thorchin, does choose to be Anon. And I do think that's important for there not to be
Especially when you're talking about a blockchain, you definitely see these figures that kind of just control the way things go. Even if they don't actually have control of the direction of the project, people still listen to like, "authority figures." I think it's just a human thing. Just like, you know, want to, you know, just pick leaders and
like really follow. I think just trust has to like trust comes from from dorkian I think in just its transparency and just being just it really adhering to the principles of the space really well especially just like obviously being open source like you could never run
torchain if it was closed source or partially closed source because there would be no trust there because then it's like oh yeah there's there's anons operating this you know this bridging protocol basically it just doesn't it just doesn't really work so I think just the whole economic design of torchain we're being the whole concept of that
is like, hey, this is a cross-chain exchange run by Anons because every single node is by default anonymous. So like the whole design of the network is structured around an exchange that is run by, you know, a
It's run by a blockchain, which is operated by anonymous individuals. It's a very interesting dynamic that you don't really see in a lot of other places, but it just really needs to come at the core of transparency and just being open and honest with everything that happens.
I think that's part of the reason why I started doing these spaces, because I found it pretty difficult to know what's going on in Dorechane, and then I just wanted to start doing these spaces to just share what people are talking about, what's the community discussion, because unless you're like,
really in those spaces and like doing that discussion which most people just don't have time to do that because people got lives like you're not going to know and then you're not going to know what to trust. So I think it's definitely helped that like non that like docs figures like and obviously like notable people like Eric
he's and other notable crypto figures are very behind store chain and resonate with the idea there. I think it just got to come from transparency. Also, just longevity. You can't
trust in a day or even a year or even a couple of years, right? It takes a very long process, I think. And I think we've reached a good point where I think people do trust that the work chain is a great function.
products. Obviously, like while it's like trust wallet have like put their reputation on saying like hey, ThorChain is like a like a note where the project that actually like it's a reliable exchange because they wouldn't integrate it into their exchange otherwise. And everyone
that it does these integrations, they're putting, it's a reputational risk when they do an integration because if all of a sudden Thorschein were to all the nodes where they start doing something they weren't supposed to, then it's on Trustwallet that they integrated us. So it's like,
It is like as much as we like to be trustless it is a big web of trust that's in this space and Just being open and transparent is like it is the way to be so as my two cents on it Yeah, I mean once just one has integrated then obviously a reals trusted right but the question
question is being and on how do you do first break, you know, get this deal for the trust wallet to integrate you. That's the question. Yeah, I mean it wasn't me. Oh no, in some levels. Yeah, in some levels you should do for example, ducting or sign a shaft or sign the contract.
So this is not 100% Anna, also as the familiar said, this is all about the building trust in this ecosystem. Because eventually you should do something to get for example funds or other things.
Also, everyone, a lot of people know each other in this space. Like, the people that have been around in this space for a long time, everybody knows each other. And, like, you know, just like going around to like conferences and things, like, you know, just saying, like, oh yeah, I'm with with Orchain or whatever. Like, like, people know that and they know other people
who like no people who you know use it or work on it or or whatever. So it's like it's a very small industry like this industry is extremely extremely tiny and like everyone that's building the big protocols kind of kind of knows each other is is the vibe that I get. Obviously not like me personally not having been around
like the very beginning of this network. So like I don't know how things were like back in the day but you know there's the number of like builders in this space is in like the thousands like order of magnitude right it's not like it's not it's in the millions
or where it's like, "Oh yeah, how could I possibly know this other engineer who works across the world?" It's like people, there's a very small concentration of people who work in this space and it means there's a lot of cross-pollination between all the different teams and individuals here.
Yep, next time. But see me in any event, please come and meet me. Yeah, you guys going to meet me too.
I just want to mention that I'm not a forever plan but maybe in the future I will.
Yeah, let us know I'm always looking for places to go up and meet people in the space. For sure. What about you, Keur? Yeah, I'm sure they're looking for the
I'll meet you guys at some events, so maybe sometime in the near future. Awesome. For sure, guys. Well, though, and I came up and asked for any questions, so I think we're wrong here.
Yeah, sorry. I wanted to give you guys an opportunity to say if there's anything any announcements you guys want to make or just anything up on their horizon and you guys road maps that you want to highlight.
Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I would request this to, you know, just try that up and share your feedback and we are open to a community feedback and and. I think a community played a major role in sharing.
the product because we have been working very closely with our community as in when we release something a community is there to try their hands and immediately share their feedback and it's a gradual process where now in
know I can confidently say that we have a very mature product with very less hazards or turn around time with the transactions. So yeah, please give it a try and share your feedback. And if you're looking for some additional features,
Please feel free to join our telegram, our Twitter and let us know. So, we're then happy to work on those. And yeah, please follow our Twitter and Telegram and stay up to date with the project.
Yeah, that's it. Yeah. Also, I just want to add that our V2 is around the corner at is in the under the final test and we will release it very soon. So most of the routes I mean
and all the EVM routes will be done with one single sign transactions. So, stay tuned. Wait, sorry, what did you say was around the course? I was on the key. How are we to stay tuned about this?
I'll be to our smart contract meet. Awesome. We're looking forward to that. You guys have done a great job with the integrations and threats on getting a chip to Rocket X. So I got to make sure to get you guys up on the website soon.
I will do that as soon as I hop on here. Thank you so much. Well, thank you guys for joining. I'll also try and get this conversation up on YouTube. But yeah, awesome. If you guys ever want to do spaces like
us again then let's do it. Sure, absolute pleasure for having me over here and anytime pleasure talking with you Martin and family account looking forward to most of the interactions and maybe very soon we meet in person as well hopefully.
It's awesome. Sure. It's our pleasure. Thank you. Thank you so much. All right. Thanks guys. Have a great rest of your day and a good weekend. See ya. You too. Thank you. You too. Bye.