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Ronin and chill: Cosy admits the Crazy
Recorded: March 21, 2025 Duration: 1:13:40Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the recent launch of Liquid Run, the anticipated token launch for Fableborn, and the strategic partnership with Alpha Growth, while also addressing the challenges facing Web3 games in a bear market.
Full Transcription
you you Thank you. Yo, we need some music in here mate!
Mate!
Or we let people come in? Listen, it's not my fault that I can't put music in the space.
Of course.
What do you want me to do?
Just get your speakers, then put it right up to your mic.
Are we fucking, yo, I know I'm bootleg, but I ain't there no more.
Dude, you gotta be bootleg, you know,
go back to the roots.
All right, listen, yo, if you like wanted to hear music,
please comment on this as well.
I'm gonna share a reposted space because shout out again
to actually scheduling spaces because scheduling spaces is
not meta, I guess.
You can't put a comments page on it.
So you're going to have to comment on this post.
This is the post you should share around.
Today is different, bro.
We're just chilling.
We had a space earlier.
We hosted the show with Alpha Growth, Compound Growth,
Gehost, Bailey, Owl of Moistness.
And we spoke about DeFi on Ronin, of course, Liquid Run.
Liquid Run is now active.
Actually, I swapped it over.
It was a great experience.
Ws, shout out to Owl, shout out to Moku
for supporting them as well. Because I don't know the intricacies behind that, that situation right
there. But of course, you know, as we know Moku, one of our community built companies, essentially,
and 100% of these guys are out of community believing I was chilling, being degenerate with
them three years ago.
But they were always onto something. But shout out to Moku because they support a lot of movements that happen here.
And of course Moku and Al were in this one together.
Get them up.
Oh for real? Yeah, shout out to Saika. You at GDC right now. We're gonna pull him up. We're gonna pull him up. But today again the agenda
We did that space earlier. It was a great space if you missed it go tune back into it. It's on our page
It will also be on YouTube later on in a week
But yeah, great show great conversations actually really happy with alpha growth stepping into the Ronin ecosystem
The they were name-dropping like crazy. So again, tune back into the show
to hear what they have to say.
But they have proven, they have a proven track record
that when they get involved with ecosystems,
they know how to put them in front of people
who will contribute volume.
So that's something that we'd love to see, of course,
especially in times like this,
but now it was a great space
and really happy to see that DeFi is really starting to turn on the jets in, you know,
Oh, we need it.
to open run it.
Yeah, we need it.
We need it.
Like that's, that's one of the better, you know,
things to bring in volume.
But yeah, let's say Psycho speak, man.
He's up here.
What's up, man?
Yeah, sure.
Well, it's good, man.
Hi guys, can you hear me?
Yes.
Oh, Saika's in the field right now.
Saika, you're in the marketing trenches.
Let's go.
Yeah, yeah.
Actually, right now I'm just waiting for Chris
from Community Gaming to come and we're gonna have a dinner.
It was the final day here.
I had a final day here in San Francisco,
so it's really been going non-stop.
So I figured I would just drop by and say hi.
Can't speak too loud.
The restaurant here will be wondering what I'm doing.
But yeah, no, it's been great to meet the community and to kind of be,
I guess as you said, in the trenches a little bit.
Actually, I'm sad to hear, I or sad to see that you're not here.
I guess were you here last year?
Yeah, I came last year.
I'll be honest, the way my Ranky account was set up,
I didn't want to dump the tokens, you know, I mean,
it probably would have been a better decision to dump the tokens.
But yeah, I didn't make the trip. I'm also in the
process of visas in America so every visit is watched very closely at the moment.
Anyway I mean that's uh I mean this year it's really it's been it's been electric in a sense.
And great yeah the energy was amazing last year too so I I was going to say, you know, if you were to sum up the experience so far at GDC in
a word, in a phrase, you know, how would, how has it been for you?
I feel like it's been intense and highly productive for me.
Overall, there's just a lot of people that are very excited about AXE,
particularly Alta's legacy, the MMO, and Roman now being open.
It was pretty crazy yesterday. I was talking to so many people and builders,
and people coming up to me and saying they're building Roman.
And I don't know, man. It's very,
feels very unique considering we've been close for so long.
So, yeah.
They've been watching. They've been
watching. You know considering the market conditions everything must be like a very
homely environment out there right because now you got like all the true believers and everybody
showing up and like you know really hanging out there. Is there any projects that you know you
got your eyes on that's like outside of Ronin maybe you're trying to recruit. I can think of one.
I mean there are many right. I think you know transparently even speaking to the project Oh Guys, to the beacon I think they're really interesting. Oh hell yeah. There are others too.
I mean listen so the way that I've been talking to Dick James is like we welcome our builders.
The only thing that is the most important thing if they want to work with
Roland is that they take care of the community and that they give value back.
So the worst thing we see is that people that announce are coming to Roland, but
they're not really doing anything or giving anything of value back.
So they just came to extract, try to get people to pay or do something, but they're
they're not like issuing NFTs or doing anything real. Those are the teams that I think is kind of sad
and it's not really the people that we want to support. So from an ecosystem perspective
we just want to support teams that are really active and really kind of all in on Roman. And then, you know, there's that to the
varying degree. And then, you know, the way I think about it is like, these teams, they're also
trying to find their homes, right? They're trying to find a place where they can, you know, make a
living, where there are buyers for their tokens, where there are people who care about their IP
in the long term, right? And, you know the question really is like, do these platforms, these blockchains that we have,
like, can they support, you know, 100 teams building or a thousand teams, right?
Um, you know, I still don't think we're there yet in terms of actually having all of the users to
support game teams, like, actually getting a shitload of revenue and building really strong games.
But they also have to get a new user from outside of crypto, right? And they have to
be spending it. From there on out, it becomes like a good flyer. So those are the things
we try to support at a very high level. So I'm quite focused on that. Yeah. So overall,
I think it's been a great event. And I guess we'll see which teams are coming over to London and who will be supporting them most and to what degree they will be adding value to the community.
Yeah, absolutely. I think the analogy goes on comfy. You said project O and like I was watching some of their gameplay and that looked like
a fire game man and it's got like all the elements that gamers on Ronin would like and
I think from all like recent mints of games that have some kind of popularity we've noticed
that these NFTs mint out like people, there's a huge demand, right?
For like good games with good backings and good teams.
And I think Project O is one of those.
So, come on man, it's like, you know, you gotta...
I'll spit it real, bro. The word on this right now is that Project O is a cook and, you know, they haven't really found a home.
I think it's a great approach that you have taken when you're talking to these games.
And I'm so glad to hear that from yourself.
And it will show as well, the interaction with the community
when games do come to this ecosystem.
Because it is open, they can just start building.
But I think if the community will reciprocate
the energy in which they kind of approach joining,
growing in with, there's no avoiding that, which is, again, I think a testament to the community and being strong together.
And actually having a value pillar to...
Yeah, you know what else he said that really...
Going off of what you were about to say too,
that's a team that is also going to bring
value to Ronin, right? Not only as a game, but it seems like they got the attention and the love
of like people who are also outside of Ronin, right? So I think it would be like a very mutual
beneficial partnership, especially because we do have the players and the ones who will grind out this game. 100%.
Shout out to Sam, Stefania and Payton as well.
Because these guys are going to win.
So I guess before I'm heading out, I think what I'll say though, and just not to get
too many hopes up, guys, all of these blockchains that we are competing with or that are potential homes, there's
varying degrees to support and to what people can offer.
Some games, some blockchains, they're paying in like tens of millions or whatever to kind
of get these teams on board.
It's not in the best interest of Roman, nor I think actually the teams, so they kind of
take those kind of deals.
It's very mercenary I'd say so you know I'm not saying like every team that goes somewhere else
is like being bought and paid for but there are many like deal constraints that sometimes come
into play here which we have to be very conscious of and make sure that we're spending our money
also in a way that makes sense for Ronin as an ecosystem.
So we don't want to give back too many big grants or anything, stuff like that. But we
also want to make sure that the teams that are onboard with Ronin, they have an incentive
and have a strong sense of, you know, you just feel at home here. That can come from
anything, whether it's money or like direct access to founders or
how do we introduce them to exchanges or to other investors?
Like there are many, many things here that we try to support the teams that we build with.
So that's kind of more a high level.
But now I do really have to head on out.
Well, we appreciate your presence always Saikha, man.
Thank you for coming through.
And yeah, man, just great to hear from yourself and the way that you're approaching things out there, man.
Have a good night, man.
Love it, a good salute.
Have a good night, enjoy it.
Yeah, man, it's like I was cooking, bro.
And I'll stand on that, to be fair,
because every game, like really,
it's, bro, this is business at the end of the day.
Like what's on the table matters, right?
Like you could have a game that needs, you know, it needs funding to survive like straight
up, bro.
You never know the position in the world.
That's the thing, right?
Like I feel like project O looking at their team and what they've produced so far.
They look crystal, right?
Like they don't look like they need money, bro.
No, no, no.
I don't think so.
And I think that's a good thing, right?
Like, you don't really want all these projects that want money
because when they have money, you got to think about what they are lacking, right?
What they probably want are players.
They want users.
Think about what Psychout said.
Sorry, bro, I'll cut you out because this is hot on my mind.
I did want to say it, but I was letting Psychout do the cooking in the kitchen. But yeah, I think that's actually more important than
people realizing this space is that, and I heard this outside of the ecosystem with the very people
who are cooking with them right now. So while I was saying, I was starting to say like shout out
to Sam Stefania, shout out to Payton and the Wolvesdale guys, because they set up the Wolvesdale,
I was there last year, This year it looks even better.
They've stepped it up, they've elevated.
And they were having a space and they
were talking about the imagery around not only people
in the space and content creators in the space,
but more so projects in the space that have actually
network hopped and how it creates
a bad image for the company.
But there always is this element of you don't know the story, but I think a lot of games are
now finding a point where, like Syke out said, they need a home and a place where they can
actually make a living. They want to solidarity. And yes, that ties into players
because that means building a community,
building a fan base and them being, you know,
in that place that suits your game's needs
and your players needs.
So every game is looking for that right now.
And they might be on a chain where they are,
they are facing the true reality that they don't have it.
And time and time and time again,
Ronin games who have transitioned,
who have came before Open Ronin
and ones that have now entered afterwards
are able to show, and some maybe not,
but again, you never know the story.
Think about it this way, right?
Every chain is like, I don't know,
what was the best real world example you can use?
Let's say every chain is like a church, right?
Like people want you to come to their church,
essentially, right?
So like-
Praise Jesus.
Exactly, so the thing is, is like,
the one thing that Ronin has done
that's different than everybody else
is that they have focused mostly majority
on like trying to go wide
with their users right like that's always been their goal and they've had that since the AXE days
right like we literally had I don't know what was it two million three million whatever players
during the AXE days right like most of these other games can't won't ever see that even like now or
Like most of these other games won't ever see that even like now or anytime in the near future
because we just know like how Web3 gaming is.
Axie also has, Rodin also has the reach of like from all these other games that we have on our chains
and all the user base and all that stuff.
And a lot of content creators here are pretty good too.
So I think like for a project to truly succeed, they need that little bit of a jump from the start from their players.
And like, for as long as the game is well balanced in terms of economy.
And, you know, it's got like a good game mechanics and so on. I think it's going to succeed like with the combination with Rodin.
We've seen a lot of the games do well in the early stages, but maybe they were lacking in certain aspects like economy, or maybe they just didn't really acknowledge how to balance the game properly and so on.
But Project O seems like, especially hearing from what people have talked about, it's extremely promising. Yeah, I'm trying to pull up some like gameplay footage right now to see if
there's any on the timeline. Yeah, so it's very much like for those of you who don't
know Projectile, it's very much like Marble Snap, but with that like a little bit of a
you know, its own twist to it. And a lot of so they don't have to worry about IP because they use like different IPs from
different like things, you know, like, yeah.
Oh wait, they're bought in, they're outside, like they haven't created their own IPs, they've
kind of congregate IPs.
Exactly.
And the best thing about that is let's say they come on run it.
Oh, you can throw axes in that bitch.
Right?
You can throw wrong keys in there. Exactly. that is let's say they come on road right exactly exactly so the potential is like endless when it
comes to the web 3 nft aspect and so on um yeah i'm watching a video that just shared right now
if you skip to like three minutes in and turn the sound down because goddamn it's loud. But
yeah, you can see some stuff. It's based off of like Magic the Gathering. Inspiration.
Oh wait, you don't even see any gameplay in this fucking video, bro. I'm a, I'm a donut.
I'm so sorry. You can watch if you want at your leisure after the show, bookmark it,
whatever you want to do.
But the gameplay that I've seen, yeah, it looks pretty clean, man.
There was a stream earlier on.
Yeah, and it's not even there like Alpha, you know, like, but they've come a long way.
I don't know when they're going to plan to let, you know, community and so on be able to try the game.
But the fact that they were able to have a tournament for it shows that you know they're pretty deep into this
already and yeah you know not here right now he said he was gonna go win that
tournament so oh he did not win I already I already know I already know
he's not because I thought I saw the top three Carol got third so at least we got
someone on Ronan there but logic did not lose man,
we're gonna fucking shit on him when he comes back. That loser man.
Yeah, you guys can join. You can join the tomato throwing or tomato throwing. But yeah,
that's one thing. That's one thing. That's cool that Psycout pops through and kind of
gave us his on the ground take. And bro, I tell you what, I love the way he was talking about how when he approaches or when
games approach him or when he approaches games, he's brought first and foremost confronting them
to say like, you know, like, what are you bringing to the community? Yeah, and we're not paying you
10 million dollars. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You know that's the funniest, like that's so true though, right?
Like I made this in my other, I said this in my other post too,
like some of these games, they come to web three,
not because they want to innovate and they want to do something web three
and like figure out the economy.
They just think that it's easier access to money to build their games.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like I can think of a few.
Let's just see liquidity of users,
and just think, oh, we can make X amount of sales.
Oh yeah.
Like I can think of a few that are like even on Ronin.
Right?
I, you know, I'm not going to name them,
but I'm pretty, I'm pretty sure I know a couple, you know?
And like they done their part.
And in a way it is a slow run, right?
When you do that, because you're not here to like build something innovative that's
actually going to move the space forward and like something that your investors and in
this case, the investors are the ones who buy their NFTs and buy their, you know, tokens
and all this shit actually be able to succeed, right?
Most of them only care about,
you know, paying their dads and their teams and then paying back their seed investors. Well,
let's be real seed investors are always in profit, right. Because we're all buying
like from the seed investors essentially because those guys come in at a few pennies and we come
in at like three X that as a community.
So, you know, at the end of the day,
they're inside people win
and the gamers are the ones who end up losing.
And those are like the worst, right?
But sometimes they show you a shiny thing
and they dangle it in front of you
and you just can't help it
because you just believe in something.
But- Believe in something. Yeah, but believe in something.
Shout out to all the Ronkies that pulled up too.
I just went into the Ronky chat in Ronin's server and you know, you guys pulled up.
So shout out to you guys.
Yeah, man, that's actually true.
That actually is true.
But there's so many games right now on Ronin that are doing things
all at the same time essentially. We're kind of
on the precipice right now for game experience. Just today alone, Fableborn is back live. You have
to request to get access right now for a little preview. Let's get some of these guys up here by
the way. I'm seeing some big names. We got Sushi, we got Trevor. He's pulling up. Get him up.
Trevor's on the ground right now as well.
Yeah, pull Trevor up.
Sushi's wants to come up.
Let's hear what he's got to say.
But yeah, like we're on the press with some of it.
Faberborn's coming.
I actually message Cam.
I'll just do this openly, whatever.
We are starting a stream on Saturday.
We're going to play Ronin games.
I want Faberborn on the list for Saturday
if we can get it, if we can get access
for a small pool. You mean like, but I thought the game's locked right now, I can't play it right?
Yeah but there's an exclusive access like the link is right here, wait let me let me get the
the poster. I got some bookmarks for today. The link's right here bro, there's um here. Wait wait
I thought we were playing that other game.
Yeah, fuck 777bit, bro. I'm hearing semi-bad reviews.
Oh, yeah? I mean, why don't we go and judge? Rubberbanding?
Judge or something? Yeah, whatever. I'm not playing that one.
We can. We can. We can.
Oh, bro, we can we can we can fucking kick it for hours on Saturday.
You know what it's like. We don't already have madness for like six hours at a time.
Listen, listen, if you don't know, if you did did not know we are planning to stream on Saturday.
Okay. So Gila and I we're going to open a stream we're going to play some games where you guys can hang out and learn with us because we're probably going to play something completely new.
Where are we going to stream actually Gila? Are we multi streaming? Are we going somewhere? Yeah, at the moment it's the idea of multi streaming.
I'm not gonna lie, I've got a feeling to stream on abstract too.
I'm gonna play a little vampire.
All right. Yep, yep.
We should always explore everything related to Web3.
Don't be close-minded, right?
Like, sure, it's not running, but we don't need to be close-minded about those things, right?
And it's always worth exploring, trying, seeing what it's like, getting a different perspective.
Now, for real, we'll drop an official post tomorrow naming all the places that we will be streaming.
But yeah, my goal is to actually, you know, I don't know if the band, like,
I've had bandwidth for this, but the goal actually is to stream on Twitch,
X, YouTube, Abstract on the
Saturday.
Yeah that's a lot.
Yeah, that's comfy.
We're gonna see.
Maybe it will just be X and Abstract.
Bro, it's trying to reach every part of the world.
I need that right now.
We need Ronin in every corner of the earth.
We got Trevor.
Hey fellas.
Let's turn it on.
You guys.
Good brother. What? I was just with Tyler. I literally just left Tyler from fabled warm. We're just hanging out
You need more primordial you heard it here for
You need more primordial
Okay, I can't really say anything that he said they're having their law their token launch soon, right?
I can't I can't say that either
But basically I was a public same. I will say their token launch soon, right? Or their beta earn or air drop? I can't say that either. Yeah.
But basically, I will say-
Isn't it public?
I will say-
Knowledge?
I will say from the mind of Gila,
from no actual backing of knowledge,
but I'm gonna just throw it in the air and say,
wow, the funnest things normally happen.
The funnest thing right now is that they will be,
they're testing these new game modes, right? It's available to
play. You can sign up for a chance. It takes you to this Alpha bot, um, favorable and app. You can
sign up. Um, and if you get access, you can play the game right now. There's new game modes, um,
that I think they're going to drop a token at some point this year. I'm going to say a date,
cause I don't fucking know, but even cam on this show said that the primordials are going to be a key
into like on towards unlocking better generation of resources and put it like
that right and I think don't think we leave 2025 without at least a
fabled born related economy token. This game has got so much hype outside of
Ronin as well so for me it's to be one of the big players, again,
maybe contestant for mobile game of the year again in 25,
as it won it in 24.
So this is definitely not a game to be slept on.
Hence why I already reached out directly to Cam and said,
if there is an ability to play this game,
you got to give it to us because we're going to stream it
live to everyone on Saturday if they're not able to play themselves so yeah that's the
that's what I think but hey Trevor actually has the alpha so expect a
thread from him at some point that you're gonna have to read.
Were you guys also just talking about project O?
Yeah, PsyCat actually hopped up here and was just kind of giving us his thoughts on how
GDC has been for him.
And we mentioned if there was, Fieben asked, is there any games that you're looking at
and that have been impressed by?
And he did mention Project O. We mentioned how on the ground Project O has been spoken
of as an absolute cook.
It would be amazing to see it.
Yeah.
Again, we then spoke about
how the deal on the table for the game company is always different depending on where the
company is and what they need. And, and he was adamant on saying like, we're not making
promises because of course, something that they want to do for bringing games to Ronin
is actually making sure that they supplement the community first and foremost, and also
that they come here to find a home and foremost, and also that they come
here to find a home and it's not really an extraction stance. And then not going to pay
a game $10 million upfront, basically, was the bottom line of it. But I'd love Project
O to be here. Did you play it? Did you play in this tournament?
Yeah. I didn't play in the tournament. Kyro and Logic did.
How about Logic did? Because we were just saying we were about to prepare some tomatoes to throw him
He got a first round exit
He got it he got a pretty bad draw
Yeah, and Cairo got ended up getting third
Damn son, but it's a prize pool too, right? Yeah. Yeah
Pokemon how the price?
How did wrong how did Ronan not win Trevor? Can you tell me how Ronan did not win, bro?
Can I just go into a tournament and not win? That's just embarrassing.
Ronan won one game, so on Tuesday there was Planet Atmos championship tournament thing, and Luke Franks won that.
So we did come out with one. We came out with a first and a third.
Luke Franks of all people.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He crushed it.
He was killing that game.
He's been playing the game for a minute though.
Yeah.
I feel like the Project Go winners may have been cooking in the kitchen with
Project Go for a little bit longer, but you bring that game to Ronin,
you're gonna see Ronin's winning leaderboards for sure.
Yeah, yeah.
Anything else though, GDC, what's been going down? Are you got any more alphas for us?
I don't know what I'm actually allowed to share.
I know there's going to be some updates coming to pixels soon.
Trevor, don't care.
Just speak.
Think later.
Just speak, think later.
Be a Ronke.
Just fucking speak, think later. Be a wrong K. Just fucking speak and think later.
I did try to pick Trong and Shadesbrain for some Axie, for some of the Axie MMO stuff,
but they weren't really willing to budge too much. Look at our founders, man.
Look at the posts. Look at our founders bro yeah liquid runs and
got to meet Al got to meet Al in the sauna nice logic and I both recognized
him from his voice it was really funny because he's like not Doc so he's like
what yeah yeah yeah his voice is very distinct and he's very eloquent to
actually shout out he's on the show earlier today I can't like apparently he
was going he was he was having a good night good night at the Ronin event and was off 6am on our space.
Yeah, I was very surprised to see him on the space at 6am from the amount of drinking I saw him doing yesterday.
Oh yeah, I was putting like laughing emojis the whole time because I could tell he was probably still smashed. The way that was speaking.
He's also got some aura to him.
He has that, I don't know, I guess I don't want to dox him.
Trevor is glazing bro.
Look at him.
He's all over it.
He's fucking glazing.
Logic told me a few times to stop dick riding so.
Not just for Al.
God damn it Trevor. you're there for work, not dick riding me.
All I know is that you guys had to look up to talk to him, so we're gonna leave it there.
What a time, we're seeing a lot of cool things go on inside the ecosystem.
Liquid Run was today, we started the show talking
about it.
I actually swapped.
I've got Elrond in the wallet right now.
So I'm going to play around with that over the weekend,
see what we can do.
And yeah, the consensus from that pretty much
is there's going to be more liquidity flowing
around the ecosystem because people now
are able to still continue their compounding effects
and keep their APIsYs together, but
also participate and then replenish later on.
So I think when events happen, they can just pull that run out, participate, and then replenish
on the back end whenever they need to.
So it's going to be good things.
I really do think that.
And again, AlphaGrowth, big company, a lot of big names that they've worked with and
helped in the past. That's a lot of users that they've accumulated. If you check their website out and look at
their database, it is massive. It really is. It's almost Oracle style. They got pretty
much everything, every ecosystem over there. That's a lot of reach for Ronin. If products
start getting pushed out in front of those investors on that platform.
And I think there could be good things for sure that comes from that.
The compound thing, the lending, stay close to proof of Travis as much as I would love
to go out there and make DeFi content.
I know we talked about this, Stephen, but I don't think I could match it, bro, to be honest.
Maybe I could and I'm just being a pussy but like he's got that shit locked right now.
So shout out to Travis.
He thrives on that. He loves that kind of stuff.
I think Trevor can do it too if you put his mind to it.
Yeah but Trevor techs warm.
Yeah he's out there catching dicks right now.
What's on the menu tonight anyway bro? It's still early hours of the evening where you're
I actually just said goodbye to everybody, I'm gonna be heading home here.
I'm heading back to web 2 tomorrow unfortunately.
But I did think of one leak that I can give.
I got to meet Ben from Cambria and we should have season 2 coming up here in the next few
weeks.
Yeah, you dope. I still haven't tried out Cambria bro. and we should have season two coming up here in the next few weeks.
Yeah, dope. I still haven't tried out Cambrian, bro. Like, I still haven't been in the game. I've got two cores, I've been staking them.
You know, I just haven't tried the game out yet.
And I can already mint, like, some companions haven't rolled anything just yet,
but if season two comes around, definitely we can add it to the list even and play it on one of the Saturdays.
Sure. I mean, I think it could be a pretty good game.
There's just a lot of games to play.
Like there's like Pixel Heroes, there's Cambria, there's Fableborn.
There's a lot, man.
It's just a lot.
But one that's actually active right now.
I'll go ahead Trevor.
I'll say after.
I guess the interesting thing about Cambria will be how it's received because it's supposed to be a degen game.
So it's like more of like a degen risk to earn MMO and you know we're seeing
that be somewhat popular right now with on-chain heroes, DeFi dungeons. So I'm
really interested to see how it's received in the running community Yeah
I mean if you look at their their first like PvP arena that they opened up
There was not a lot of participants, but they were putting down bread. So yeah
Yeah, crazy how much they were betting like yeah
Like and then you're playing like in that version was like PvP is pretty much just rock-paper-scissors shoot in a way
So like betting $3,000 on rock, paper, scissors, shoot is insane.
That's field degeneracy stuff.
I think you hit the nail on the head with the degenerate game.
Yeah.
And like the broader version of the game is like an MMO where you're going and you're
collecting a bunch of stuff, but you can kill each other and steal their stuff.
So it's not like you're
like, I guess maybe almost like Luma Terra in a way where you can kill each other out
in the wild.
Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So the risks become present. There's going to be a lot of people
that are going to be farming everyone out there in the field. So good luck. Good luck.
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But man, like there's a lot around the corner.
The Rift has opened.
Runeverse right now, the Forgotten Runeverse
has 18 hours of being open.
So if you wanna get involved, play it.
Maybe it's your first time.
Now's the time to go try it.
If you wanna go back and get familiar with things that may have
changed, updated, go check it out. I'm going to be checking that out over the next, well,
there's 18 hours, right? So over the next 18 hours, I'm going to go check it out myself
and have some thoughts, I guess, for next week. But when that game drops, bro, bitch,
like did you see the announcement, right? You literally spoke about it. Actually, you
know what? I'll share your post, Mr. Theban, on Forgot the announcement, right? Or you literally spoke about it. Actually, you know what?
I'll share your post, Mr. Theban,
on Forgotten Rootiverse.
This one's a save it, read it in a bit.
Oh, thank you.
Yeah, save it, read it in a bit,
because there's a lot here.
But whenever Theban writes a lot,
he's chosen, right, to take time out of something
that probably could have one, either made him money,
or added
value to his life or being spent with his family. So if he's choosing to write words
over those three things, you got to understand that he means those words. Like he dedicated
some serious thoughts and brain power to those words. So don't fool you because Stephen would
come to me and be like, bro, I don't want to write. I know I'm like, come on, bro, like
help me. Not really, not like that. But I don't want to write. I know I'm like, come on, bro, like, help me.
Not really, not like that. But I know this guy doesn't like writing.
So when he writes a lot, I know he thought about it and thought this needs to go out there.
So save it on your bookmarks, read it later.
But let's talk about it, bro.
They're on consoles, PS5, Xbox and Nintendo Switch.
The Nintendo one threw me that fucking threw me because
I know there has been Web 3 games on Nintendo already.
I can't remember the name right now, but I remember seeing one early this year or back in 2024.
But I feel like that would be a hard gate to get past.
And if they are breaking those barriers down, it's the first game I'm rolling to do that.
Of course, the Machine Arena was actually the first
to go into PlayStation.
But these are crucial moments that don't get much,
like they do get attention,
but after you retweet the tweet, you're like,
okay, cool, you move on with your life, right?
But I think the impact of this is obviously yet to be shown.
I'm going to be playing it. I feel like that game is going to be great to play on the Switch
personally. So that's going to be one of my endeavors is to get it on my Switch and see what
that feels like. But huge strides forwards. The ecosystem, because this is what's important really and truly.
All right, your boy picked up a wizard.
I needed that.
I needed the wizard.
And I also got some settlement and whatever the smaller one is.
And there's some items there as well.
I don't have a ring, but I'm looking at this infograph right now that I just
shared on the screen for you guys.
Theven, have you taken a look at this?
Have you seen this?
What?
The infographic that I just shared to the space is from Forgotten Runeverse and they've
kind of put the economy primer in infograph form so you can start to see when you're playing
the game how you're gonna earn money
how do i even where is it i don't even know where you shared it oh my god this fucking boomer
it's like a you're like a boom you like miss the er because you're still kind of long young loki but like you're displaying real boomer traits right now
boomer trades right now. He found it yet? No, just give it to me. He's fucking old.
Send it to me bro. Geez. Wait, Gossip just DM'd me that Royal Realms playtest is coming
soon? Is it true? How does he know before us? I actually saw it on the TR, I was gonna bring
it in after Forgotten Runiverse. But yeah. Wait what? Yeah I saw it, I saw it. I actually saw it on the TR, I was gonna bring it in after Forgotten Rootiverse but yeah.
Wait what?
Yeah I saw it, I saw it, I saw it.
I actually confirmed it's on the day of my fiance's sister's wedding so my ass is gonna
be in a suit drinking and not playing.
Oh are you flying out again?
Yeah yeah yeah in May, in May, two months.
In two months?
You got me for a little minute, you got me in the UK for a little minute and then I'll be back.
But I'll send it to you on DMs bro.
I'll send the infograph on DMs.
Okay, okay. I'm looking at it now.
Yo, Sushi.
Oh shit.
Trailer's up now.
It's the...
Where?
On the... On X.
We just uploaded like 20 minutes ago
We used to get alpha from morning realms now we don't get shit
Oh go put up the trailer watch it like
And that coin is the even and whatever side that coin lands on, Theban could just say what we look at next, whether it was the infograph or the trailer.
We chose trailer and I think that's a great choice.
So let's go to Road in Realms.
I'm gonna share it up here.
Did everyone like plan like this hour to post everything all at once?
Like what the fuck is going on? wouldn't like plan like this hour to post everything out all at once like
what the fuck is going on there's so much happening I don't know okay okay
I'm listening now here's what you need to know the alpha server will be open
one day per week starting the 25th of May access will be through epic games
launcher the test will focus on the extraction map only, no Hiroba yet.
This looks like it's going to literally be Battle Royale style or some of some sorts.
I mean they jump off the fucking ship.
He lands, he loots and then he pulls out this bow and arrow.
Can't lie, the gem stealing from the back pocket was Clonktown Central,
but we still fucking love it because this is community developed and you guys have come so fucking far.
The test will focus on extraction only. So it's going to be PVP.
You better be fucking ready for that.
Patch notes will drop every Tuesday with server updates.
So this is cool cause it's given us the experience and then you guys are going
to iterate on it. Um, but yeah, W trailer, W trailer.
Wait, wait, are you watching the trailer?
Yeah, what are you not?
How are you talking and watching while the fucking Khaushion's talking?
I got it on mute. There's fucking subtitles, bro.
This is what I'm saying, you actually are a boon.
Listen to it. You gotta embrace the whole trailer, motherfucker.
Oh, this isn't a stream. The audience can't embrace it with me.
They have to embrace my voice. You know what I'm saying?
Well, I'm gonna embrace it by myself.
Okay, you go do that.
But no, I'm liking it. And the mech, the one-of-one mech that drops out of the sky.
Yo, yeah, you guys are dropping, Jeff. Sushi, talk to me then.
I'm guessing this is Battle Royale, right? That's what we're looking for here.
Yeah, some, yeah, right? That's what we're looking at. Yeah, some yeah, basically Battle Royale, but kind of like Dark and Darker where it's also an extraction game where there's points of interest in games where you gather materials and eventually there's what do you call this main goal that you have to achieve to win as a team.
Yeah, just from a graphic standpoint bro, you want to come back? What?
I'm here, I'm done.
Okay, well just from a graphic standpoint, the map looks large, one.
The texture, I don't know if that's the right description, but the fog is great because it's not like you can see absolutely everyone from everywhere and you you gotta have your wits about you um i don't know what his loot him right there
maybe you hear some alpha on the things you may be able to loot in this game version
at the very early version i'm not sure how much um berlin um has prepared for the looting aspect of the game.
But yeah, so it's, as you said, like a battle royale,
but it's a combination of PvP and PvE,
so you'll have to fight off some monsters at the same time
while also fending off the different teams
that are trying to kill you and steal resources from
you.
Nice, nice, nice.
Yeah, bro.
I might DM, I might DM Berlin and be like, yo, come on, give me the details, bro.
Give me the details.
But yeah, I'll reach out to Berlin actually.
Let's get you guys on the show at some point before that so we can amplify.
Yeah. the show at some point before that so we can amplify. Yeah and I believe he wants both of you
guys to be the first testers too in one of the dev streams coming up. Yeah you know our lines
open up and I think that group chat still open too. No no no he's just saying that now because we didn't get to see the trailer first, right? He had to go to the DS like, yo, we fucked up, bro!
We can't stop this right now!
No, genuinely, he said that. You guys are gonna be the first testers.
Glaze me up, glaze me up.
Now, I wonder though, is this, is this, is this Kojin holders only?
Axel?
Yes, because yeah, for the alpha test.
Floor price going up, watch, you fucking watch it.
I'm gonna wake up my, I'm gonna wake my ass up tomorrow.
The first tweet you're gonna see from me
is gonna be about the Kojin floor rising.
All right, that's it.
You want someone that can predict the future?
This meme motherfucker, watch tomorrow.
That's what I'm gonna be my first tweet, Friday morning.
And if it's not, then I'm just not gonna tweet all Friday.
So I can't be wrong.
This is a joke.
Yeah.
I can't be wrong, all right?
All right, now I don't though.
Great to see you guys have been killing it, bro.
The rate at which you built this experience out is phenomenal.
And then let me just say this, because I know you guys know
most of the community here that's attending right now
know this for sure, but you literally built Ronky
in the midst of this.
That's crazy, bro.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That is fucking crazy.
How do you feel about Ronky in the AXE MMO?
Oh, that was so fun.
Super exciting.
And the hardest part was keeping it to myself
because Trang messaged me about the model
and then he showed me the clip
and like behind the scenes of the animation.
Damn, so you're the one who made it?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Sushi cooks 3D models, bro.
Actually, Sushi, we have inquiries to make with you because me and Thebeon wanna...
Obviously, we're gonna do a stream from Rony Radio,
but we actually wanna stream with our AXE 3D models, VTuber style.
We've been reaching out to people, but we ain't gonna fucking clue.
We should've just come see you.
Yeah, yeah. Even face rigging, we already have that ready for RONK too.
Did you hit a shit?
Yeah, we're cooking. Shout out to you, Sushi.
I'm not joking. When we talk about people in this space, community members in this space that are applying value to the ecosystem,
you are actually right now MVP of the year. The year's young, but
right now MVP.
Yeah, the year's young. Yeah. Still March. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, yeah, it's been fun.
More stuff coming up, but yeah, the running and since it's open, it's been like, been like 10 times more exciting, right?
Like so many things coming up, so many things you can do.
Yeah.
You just never know what's going to happen, right?
Like literally tomorrow you could get like a random game you've never heard about,
just be in Ronin and say like game coming two weeks from now.
Like we're really in that point of time which I'm really enjoying but also the amount of
projects that are coming to maturity right now is insane. I was just about to talk about this
before we got into Forgotten Universe but really into rerun the prespus right now of like
maybe double digits of like actual fully playable game experiences.
double digits of like actual fully playable game experiences. Yeah. Not even just games, right? We
just saw Liquidron like come out today too. That unlocks so much possibilities with DeFi.
Yeah. I'm gonna lend my ass off. That sounds crazy. But I'm gonna figure it out.
Speaking of Liquidron, dude, how many people are gonna borrow by memes? See that meme go to zero?
Bailey mentioned something today in our space in the earlier show. It went over Stark's head. So I don't know how many other people
it went over the head. He actually admitted to me after the show that he was vacuuming
at the time. What a cunt by the way. Are you fucking serious? But anyway, he missed the
fact when Bailey said that Ronin itself is actually working with projects on Ronin to
develop. Like if you look already, we've got Axie Score,
you've got Pixel's reputation system.
And he was saying we're looking to build out models
like that in multiple different ecosystems.
And that actually tie in to DeFi.
Like they want to build rails where, you know,
this isn't the fucking Wild West and anyone can just borrow,
you know, or they can put $500,000 worth of run into liquid run, and
then take the L run and gamble and just implode. Although it's backed, because I mean, at the
end of the day, if you lose all of it and you can't pay it back, it swallows all your
tokens, right? It just liquidates you. But there will be other lending processes on top
of that. And really, you don't want to be able to form
house of cards essentially, right?
So I'm glad that in the inception of all of this happening,
like that's where Head of Ecosystem, Bailey is focused.
I think it's gonna be really important for the chain,
and we'll have a much more different environment
as opposed to maybe some other ecosystems
that have these tools and DeFi applications already on their
chain. So very, very exciting times. Honestly, it baffles me how far ahead we are now as opposed
to a few years ago. And motherfucker, Ron isn't even a dollar. Don't piss me off bro, just don't piss me off.
Anyway no financial advice but undervalued is still my stance and the world has been
actually.
It's just market conditions, that's all right now. It's not just the crypto world, it's
like the traditional world has been selling off for a while now.
We're downtrend, you know, people are just de-risking.
The traditional markets had like two plus years of a bull market already.
So like they're just cooling off and, you know, America's going through its thing, healing process.
So, you know, the pain is all normal, I would say. I think the best thing
right now is just accumulate, right? Just keep accumulating here. And as long as you believe
and you think this goes somewhere, like at the end of the day, you're going to, you're going to be
happy. I think if like, it all plays out, like we think it's all going to play out.
Stay down, stay down, stay down. Yeah, man, it's exciting. I don't know, I want to open
the floor just to you guys say anything that has come to your attention or is at the front of your
mind that because we've done so many featured shows recently over the last, I think the last
two weeks, all four shows have been featured shows. So we've kind of like locked in on specific topics
and certain announcements.
So there are things that go through,
fall through the net in terms of us capturing
all the information that's going around.
Yeah, and just put your hands up
if anyone wants to come up and say something.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, by all means.
This is a completely open space right now.
This is what we're setting stone.
Like this time, Tuesday, Thursday, we're always going to be live whether it's like a featured show and we have a guest on or not.
Like we're always going to be live twice a week at this time.
So when we have featured shows, sometimes the time zone works better for them.
So we do it at that time zone, but we'll always still have this show even if we've had a show like today earlier on so
but these will be more community focused you guys we want you part of the conversation whether that be through text or through you know joining jumping up and joining the show itself
but any bookmarks i've got here to shift the combo whilst we're waiting for anybody who wants to
okay okay now's a really good time to have convictions in the games you have convictions in.
As we've seen, studios are running out of funding and that's going to be a very common occurrence happening.
Maybe it'll happen on some running games.
So now is the time to really double down on the games you like and think are going to make it.
Yeah. Yeah, just hope you're not wrong and then you've got a date on your ass.
No, I'm joking. I'm joking. But it's nice. It's actually really, it's a serious thing because, you know, I don't have an analogy.
Sometimes analogies come to me like fucking instincts. a but today they're not but if you spread yourself so thin
like imagine spreading your bets you're at a rule oh my god i'm really using a roulette machine
either way here's the image you're at a roulette wheel right you're a roulette wheel the table is
laid out in front of you imagine if you had a hundred chips? If you place one chip on every fucking number,
you're gonna land, bro.
You're gonna hit, yeah, well, yo, well done, you.
But you're not gonna make a come up.
So you really, and again, this roulette wheel,
like I said, it was a terrible example
because there is no aptitude and nous and understanding
and maybe information arbitrage and maybe conviction in terms of proof and data to back that decision but if you are
placing multiple chips on a specific number and that number hits of course
that's when you actually feel and you reap the reward of having conviction and
again this is not a roulette wheel to spin up on it. If you just joined the space today,
it might really feel like that, but you got to lock in,
you know, you got to do your research,
you got to go and feel out communities.
Like if we're really saying that Ronin,
one of the biggest or the biggest thing attribute
about Ronin is its community.
Like go into games, feel out the community,
get a vibe for what's going on.
You can tell a project that will do well if it does out the community, get a vibe for what's going on. You can tell a project
that will do well if it does have a community, bro. That's like really a factor that's overlooked
so much. But go and get a feel for these different games. Go and seek out information. You know,
tune into the shows when you can because you can listen directly to the founders and how they feel,
you know, when they're in the space. And just use all the tools at your disposal
to seek out your conviction.
And I think you are right, Trevor.
It's not really about, oh, yay, everything.
And then putting all your money in every project
that makes an announcement.
Find yours, have your conviction, and make a play, bro.
Yeah, exactly.
I mean, if you guys I mean
what my play is not to tell anyone what to do but what my play is now is if I'm not playing the game
there's no point in owning the NFTs anymore. I share the same ethos right now to be honest like
we're not really in that scholarship era as such yes of course scholarships still go down and there's benefits to it but not every game has that mechanic or mechanism that
works fluidly um yeah if i don't play a game the assets are getting gone i say that with like
ton of assets sitting in my ronin wallet right now on ronin market i do need to do some cleaning up
now on Ronin market. I do need to do some cleaning up. The question is for me though,
for you guys, there may not be one and I don't think there is one for any of us. Even for
me there isn't like one game experience that I'm locked in on and just heart set on it
being the only winner or the one I'm going to put all my eggs in the basket of. But if
there was one, what would that one be right now for you guys? We'll start with you Trevor as you as you were speaking of it
Oh, that's that's pretty easy for me and I feel like I can chill it a little bit because I know I
Believe Ronan is trying to pursue getting this game, but there's a game called Planet X
Me it just really that surprised the fuck out me, but yeah, I know what you're saying, but I would just never expect it to happen.
Well, it just seems so logical that it would be a hit game.
You know, you go in, play a game similar to like Call of Duty,
but you extract a real world prize.
It's like this weekend, they have a Nintendo Switch and Apple AirPods
and something else.
And then if you extract it, you actually win that.
So I feel like that's like, you know, maybe the...
It's very viral, right?
Yes, exactly. People clipping it.
I can see the TikTok and then the review on the product afterwards.
Like, I can see that for real.
For sure. I would say the only downside, and for me I like this, but for you,
it's built for mobile.
It's not really going to be a PC game or something like that.
Wait speaking of mobile, what happened to that one game, Extreme Verse?
Wasn't that also supposed to come on Ronin?
I played it one time and I don't think it's been playable ever since.
Why?
What happened to it?
I want to know something funny.
Alright, what's funny?
Shout out to, with Logix getting it. the
the the the Their Twitter account was OX... like O Extremeverse. Yeah.
Right?
If you search that right now, they don't have a Twitter anymore.
Like, it literally says this account doesn't exist or does not exist.
And anyway, logic on the day of Roninforge announcement, he went on OpenSea and bought
one of the waifu NFTs.
Okay. He went on OpenSea and bought one of the waifu NFTs. He bought one of like, he was looking at the trades and like he was like, you know, he
went for like an exclusive one.
Like that was like a high tier category, highest yield factor.
I swear my life bro, that motherfucker dropped a whole, like maybe even, I don't know if
I'm right with this. We'll ask him the next time he's here. But I think that motherfucker dropped a like maybe even i don't know if i'm right with this
we'll ask him the next time he's here but i think that motherfucker dropped an eath on it
like what ether and oh bro they changed their name from extreme verse to aim lock game no shot No shot. That's fucking- WHAT? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah How much? An Eath.
One Eath?
One Eath bro.
Oh my god, so they like swept it and then they launched this and then they fucking made people...
Is that scam?
Bro, I'm not saying shit.
They came through on the Forge program, I think they were vetted.
It is a real game.
People were playing it the first week. I mean, who the fuck is Aimlock?
Go search Aimlock at Aimlock game.
That's their account.
The name's so bad too.
What?
That name is terrible.
That is like lasting transformation.
Oh, that's the game.
That's actually the game though.
Yeah, that's the game.
But why did they change it?
That's the game. That's actually the game though. That's the game. But why did they change it? That's so weird. People weren't feeling the extreme love.
Oh, wow, bro. Okay. Well, this is the
This might be the first Forge L.
I'm not going to say that with like, with an indefinite nature. Like it's not actually, nothing is over. I mean, they really did not like embrace Ronan
or like try to get any communication.
They're just like, okay, we're gonna go on Ronan.
I didn't hear shit after that.
I mean, if you look at their eggs page,
every post is, apart from as recent,
like March they've started cooking again,
but March 10th, then the prior post was
February 5th. December yeah yeah what the fuck. And then the one after that was December so like you know social media manager where
uh what is going on bro could have offered some you know jobs in the ecosystem man you know give us
it give our economy some stimulation you know so you could have had a social media manager on that
um but no like I said like the play doesn't look horrendous and I played
it on the mobile too, and it's not terrible, but I've played like mobile
PUBG and shit, so like it didn't feel horrific, you know, genuinely.
So, and like even like mapping keys on BlueStack, uh, tried it on that to see
if, you you know if PC
players could get involved in it would they and it worked on that pretty well
too but yeah just after the first couple of weeks there was no marketing this is
what happens where if you come to rodin and even that's what site I was saying
bro like if you don't if you don't come and supplement the community like yeah it will show it will show but listen listen
they did get logic's ease though
I'm gonna say some prayers for logic tonight right I hope he's having a f***ing banging night right now
no way he borrowed for one ease right I remember being in the chat when he did it.
Oh my god.
He was like, it's a waifu with a gun.
And I was like, f***ing god.
Seriously?
So, yeah, shout out to Lollipop.
He's made a lot of good plays, but that's definitely one of his bad ones.
Can't lie.
Yo, shout out to Dashred bro, he's got the radio on the car radio. That's how it should be
done. I'm sure Trevor, you've probably got the same similar setup right now. Shout out
to you guys that are tuning in. Of course, we're not even looking at like metrics today
for people pulling up, but we love the fact that like real community members come through.
We recognise it every single week. We already had a show today. It's 2.02 in the morning though, so unless you fuckers have got something to chat about right now,
I think we did our motherfucking job this week.
We fought the good fight this week, D-Vin. I believe that.
Wait, I want to hear your guys' game predictions. Your number one game.
Oh true. I'll put you on blast and then we move on real quick.
Demon, what's yours?
For what? Number one game in what?
Like, you don't have to choose one game, and I know you're not choosing one game,
to put eggs in baskets and stuff, but if you had to choose one in Ronin, what is it?
One game that's in Ronin right now, right now?
Yeah, like, what, if like, like it was like gun to the head choose one project i'm running game wise
that will in 2025 maybe start 2026 is actually the shit or doing well.
That's so obvious though it's gonna be the Axie MMO.
Okay.
Will that launch in 2025? That's the question.
No no they said in the summer we're gonna get to play it already and play test it, right?
But that's just play testing, right?
Yeah, play testing in the summer, play test at Q4 and then supposedly Q1.
I know some stuff like, I have a theory, right, as to why they're releasing it in the summer.
And what that could potentially mean.
Like this is just a theory I have,
but it's not something I should speculate on publicly.
But I think if people really put their minds together,
they could figure out why the summer, why going into 2026
and so on, the launch of the game.
But I think it's a really good thing.
I think Axie.
I think I'm with you. I'm wavelengthing right now.
Yeah, I think we're going to see a big supply shock.
Like I said this before, I believe,
and what Trevor actually mentioned also earlier,
I think a lot of games are going to die this year.
I think 90% of Web3 games are going to die this year.
Maybe even more.
Like literally, they will go to zero
and no one can do anything about it
because all these games thought that they're going to launch
by 2025, we're going to be in a bull market
and there's going to be millions and millions
and millions of gamers in here.
And they're all going to come
and buy their garbage ass product.
And you know, they're going to become rich
but turns out we don't have enough gamers.
Actually, we have more games than we have gamers.
So that's a problem.
And I think by the end of this year,
when all those games are all dead,
the gamers are going to look to the games
that are still alive that people are playing.
And I think it's going to be Axie.
Yeah.
Survivability. we never said
this road was gonna be easy it was gonna be cold cold nights and fucking fuck yous all of that.
There's gonna be some other games too you know you know what else is funny like I also think
some of these games who didn't actually plan for 2025 right like back in 2021 that was already
their plan to launch by 2025 like all the games who didn't plan for for 2025, right? Like back in 2021, that was already their plan
to launch by 2025.
Like all the games who didn't plan for that,
who just wanted to like launch a game
and who just wanted to like do something in the space
and has an economy built out,
like they're also gonna succeed.
The games who launched during the bear
are actually more likely to succeed in my opinion.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, I agree because you plan it out
and like you factor the business around an influx of capital
around this period of time.
And then that period doesn't exist.
What does your balance sheet look like?
You know, end of the day, it's gonna be rough.
It's gonna be rough.
It's also that like these games,
people don't really care about playing games
when there's a bull market, right?
Like gamers will play right?
But most of the ones investing they rather invest in stuff that are like more liquid more returns like ASAP, DeFi
All those kind of things, right?
But people invest in games and gaming NFTs and like Web3 related stuff more
I feel like in the bear when there's
nothing to actually spend your money on. So they start itching, you know, getting itchy
and like being like, okay, well, I got all this, you know, ether, whatever crypto, and
I don't really know what I want to, you know, use it on because there's nothing worth investing
in. Let me just go throw some money at this game and just have fun with it. And then somehow, you know, you get enough whales, enough people doing that
over the course of like a bear, right? And then suddenly you're booming during the bear market.
Kind of what happened back in 2024, actually, right? Like no one else was really having a bull market, but the gaming was.
Yeah.
I don't know if you remember that.
Look at this.
Yeah, February, bro.
It was literally this time last year, bro.
We were $4 chilling.
But we weren't really chilling.
Oh, that was a good time.
That was a good time for games.
I think all web three games were like booming at that time.
Right?
So like, I think bull markets will happen based on sectors,
more so than like, we will all have a bull at the same time. Now, I think crypto has got to that
point where there's enough diversification of like these different sectors and stuff, like they're
just going to go through their phases. And people will keep rotating from sector to sector, depending on what's hot.
Yeah, and it's where the access to more liquid for itself is.
For the Ronkies in chat, that's the same as when everybody rotated from Koku to Ronke.
Yeah.
All the memes into Ronke.
I don't know, honestly, I mean, you know,
I didn't do any post analytics and like really dive
deep into the data for me Ronke was a straight culture thing it was like that's like if you
are if you know what's fucking good you know that Ronke is it bro but like the where the
funds came from the rotations that did happen like I didn't closely watch them but I'm sure
I'm sure they will there will be more than enough
Telltale signs if you go and look at some data, but yeah, shout out to Ron. Yeah to be honest Ron key right now
I know me, but we don't even spoke about this, you know, I've completely ignored like meme coins for like last two weeks
Yeah, but there's still so much to unpack there and we could sit for another hour
I don't know if I want to do that. The thing about memes right now is like everyone is completely like risk off right?
Or risk on?
They're either risk off or they're dead.
Like they just know nobody wants to like buy anything right in this market condition because
there's too much uncertainty.
We don't know what's happening.
We don't know if we're going lower or we're bouncing back or anything like that.
So everyone is just like in chill mode right.
But when everybody is like okay it's time to buy that's when memes start booming and
a lot of these memes are down like 80 90 percent right.
So when everyone starts formalling in at some point, like this shit's gonna blow
up. I mean, RodK is most likely one of the easier bets to make, right? It's very resilient,
it's strong, best community. And I think like, when people start spending again, it's gonna
be a different story. Liquid Rod is gonna help with with that. Right now you can still stay, get rewards plus spend your Ron like easily. So as long as you go back and
you have to pay what you have to pay, just don't blow up guys. But yeah, like I
think memes in general, they do this thing. They're gonna go down like 90%.
They're gonna go down 95%. Actually, they have better chance of making comebacks than gaming tokens, to be fair. Because gaming tokens, the teams always
have to sell them to like feed themselves, right? So on. Where like games, that doesn't
happen.
Yeah, I totally agree with the gaming tokens. Nobody other than Axie has really even figured
out how to incentivize users to want to use them or burn them.
And even AXS isn't the greatest.
Yeah, I mean, I think Origins is the only game in Web3 where it has positive revenue.
That fucking Origins, bro. That game makes me so mad and I love it.
Yeah, yeah. Because it's kind of like a risk to earn.
And even if you do paste off, it doesn't mean you're guaranteed to win.
You still need to have a certain level of skill, understanding,
and you gotta be better than the next guy who's using the same build as you are.
So, I mean, that's a good thing.
Maybe it's not the most fun game, but
they did crack the economic issue with the game. And now that knowledge can be like directly
translated to like the future games that they launched, which one of them is the MMO. Like,
the thing about Axie is I noticed they study a lot, especially Chung, right? He studies a lot.
Psycho is super fixated on economy.
These guys really understand the real problem
that they need to solve for their next legendary run
that they're going to have.
And they're going to experiment for them now as they build the MMO.
You'll let Cambria launch it, let Fableborn launch, forgetting another one, but they'll
kind of like set the path for AXE in a way for, okay, what will work for this MMO economy?
True.
Yeah, I mean, they can source historical data from within Ronin now as well.
That's like part of the machine as well.
So there's a ton of stuff that they can take in.
When we had that show with Trunk, he was talking about how much they've been able
to absorb from the last seven years.
And one of those key takeaways was about making a game that he wants to play.
So at the end of all this, of course, I would look at someone like Trong, as intelligent
as he is, like his core is about programmability, how can something be programmed, very logical,
probably an amazing min-maxer. He's gonna wanna play a game where, you know, resource management is important.
Then tactical player versus player interactions
are important.
Guilds and stuff like that is important.
Economy is important.
So if he's talking about, you know what,
I learned over the last seven years
that I should just make a game that I wanna play.
I was bullish as fuck on that alone.
So it's funny and crazy how Axie, you know,
as a product basis and as an IP basis is still,
it's not really funny.
I mean, it's just fucking inevitable to be honest.
Like I think a lot of us knew that we saw something
that has taken a while granted to even, you know,
we're not even there yet, but it's still taken a while,
but it's still taking a while, but it is so much more formidable than any other Web3
gaming IP that has existed since it came before them as well.
Like it ain't like they really learn, you know, much off of anybody else.
CryptoKitties, yes. Other experiences, maybe.
So, yes. But like that's one hell of a fucking IP, like hands down.
Axie's the next Axie, but I love that quote so much.
I said it on an earlier show, but it's funny,
but it's also, it's just fucking true, both.
Like Alpha Grove came from Axie and Finny.
Are we through?
Axie's the next Axie, and Gila is gay.
Everything is true.
And everything is fucking over.
You know what, shout out to everyone that came through.
I love you all.
It is that time of the show where, you know,
if Fibon started to send shots,
I'm fucking, I'm rubbing the whole thing.
So I love you so much.
I enjoy the rest of the weekends.
Reminder, yes, we are going live on Saturday.
We're playing games.
If you want to hear Fibon call me gay
and we actually give a response, then tune in on Saturday.
But tonight, you're not going to get it.
I'll starve you of that satisfaction.
Shout out to Psych Out for coming through,
being one with the community.
Shout out to Sushi Nobi for coming up here as well.
W, Ronin Realms.
Right now, for the end of the show, just make me happy.
Go and click on the Ronin Realms post
and repost the fuck out of it.
Quote, tweet it, comment on it, like it, do all of that
and you will have the best weekend of your life. There's a Gila guarantee and all of those guarantees
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