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RWA on the Blockchain: connecting traditional assets with DeFi
Recorded: June 26, 2025 Duration: 0:48:48Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent AMA, leaders from Eon, CycleX, and D-Force discussed their innovative projects in the crypto space, including Eon's decentralized payment infrastructure, CycleX's tokenized RWA funds, and D-Force's permissionless RWA market on Conflux. The conversation highlighted emerging trends in DeFi, the importance of partnerships, and strategies for yield generation, showcasing the dynamic landscape of blockchain technology.
Full Transcription
. Thank you. . Thank you. Good morning, everyone.
GM, how's everyone doing?
Hey, guys. thanks for having us.
Thanks for hosting this AMA.
All good here.
Yeah, good morning everybody.
I'm Mike.
Thank you for having us.
Wonderful.
Looks like we just need
Polyflow, yeah?
Yeah, let's just give it like two more minutes where is everyone located
i'm uh i'm in california oh same time zone i'm in uh westler vancouver today today oh cool
i'm in london i'm actually about to go to HCC in a couple of days.
Oh, nice. Oh, Sam, you're going too, right?
Yeah, I'm flying out on Friday. I'm pretty excited. Who was the last person we were waiting for Sam?
Ollie Flo.
Ollie Flo.
Okay. Mmm. I'm going to go to the next video. Thank you. Should we just kick things off?
I think so.
I don't have many speakers.
If anyone can always join, I'll be looking out.
Sounds good. All right, everyone. Well, thank you for joining today. We're going to have a discussion on AI, PayFi D-Force, and CycleX.
Thank you for joining us today.
If you'd like to give a little quick introduction of yourself and your project, so we can start off with Aeon.
Absolutely. Thank you so much for having us.
And me, I am Mike Massari. I'm VP of Research and Partnership at Eon.
Eon is a decentralized payment infrastructure.
Our aim is to facilitate and allow crypto-to-crypto payment
and crypto-to-fiat payment across every token on every chain.
We have products that span from online payments to scan-to-pay,
so real-life merchant payments and also AI payments.
Amazing. CycleX, you want to go next?
Okay, thank you, host. Hello, everyone. I'm Abby. I'm BD from CyQuest.
And CyQuest is an RWA issuing and launching platform.
And currently we cooper with the BNB chain,
contact chain, Solana chain,
and we help the investors to buy the RWA form
through like the stocks and treasuries
and all the RWA issuing and the trading stuff could be done on our platform.
So really welcome you guys to try our product and see how smoothly of our RWA infrastructure.
And we're really looking forward to your services.
And also all of your suggestions will be considered very important for us.
And last but not least, DeForce.
Hi, everybody.
DeForce is a protocol active since 2019.
So we have a long history of building in DeFi.
We've built several things through the years.
We have our own decentralized stablecoins USX.
We have our own lending protocol, Unitos, our own AI token and agents launchpad, Internet.io.
And more recently, we launched our first RWA market on Conflux and we are opening up the possibility
for anyone to apply and open an RWA market with us on any day. Thank you. Amazing. Thanks guys
for those introductions. All right, I'm going to jump right into some questions. The first one's
for Eon. You've recently launched autonomous payments powered by AI agents.
Can you explain how this works in practice?
How will AI agents use Eon for everyday payments?
And what role does your KYA play in ensuring security and compliance?
Yeah, this is an excellent question.
Actually, I wanted to talk about this because it's our release product,
like the product we released more recently.
And also it's fantastic because it's a phenomenal way
to effectively allow AI to do something that software cannot really do.
If you think about it, NNMs can do a bunch of things,
but they cannot even buy a book.
So it's something that we truly think is
the future of AI. There's two ways of this work, and I will keep the explanation brief, but I will
talk about both. One is obviously the technical way, and the other one is more the user experience
way, so what the user sees. So from a user perspective, this is actually very easy. The user will interact with
either our AI agent or with any AI agent that uses the infrastructure to make a request.
Something like, I want to book a holiday in this place for this long in this period of time. And then the AI agent will navigate the internet.
He will compare different websites.
He will compare different offerings and find the one that is most convenient and most aligned
to the user as well, based on the user preference that obviously the AI agent knows by definition.
that obviously the AI agent knows by definition.
And then he will click around on the website,
book the specific, in this case, holiday
with an amount that is already pre-authorized
from the user wallet.
So the step zero of this
is that the user authorizes a certain amount
and say $500 in USDTs to the agent, and then the agent makes the
purchase. In case the purchase is of higher value than the authorized amount, the agent would just
ask for confirmation. So this is from the user perspective how it happens. It's very, very
straightforward. From a technical perspective, obviously, it's a bit more complex because there's a lot that goes on in the background.
But we do expose an API to AI agents, and these AI agents can just make a request of specific instruction to our own agent.
And then our agent takes care of all the navigation, takes care of all the booking, as well as the authorization.
of all the navigation, takes care of all the booking, as well as the authorization. So obviously
there is a signed transaction between the two parties where Eon effectively gets access to
that specific pre-unlocated amounts that the user allocated to this specific purchase.
Obviously this all happens programmatically and in a decentralized way. So the moment that the purchase happens or there is a purchase request,
the way that it gets processed is exactly the same as every other EON purchase.
So the request goes into our network of nodes.
They validate the request and they validate all the parameters of this request,
including whether or not the user authorizes the amount
for the purchase itself.
And then one of these nodes executes the transaction on chain.
This transaction gets automatically off-ramped into US dollars or whichever local currency
the website uses.
And then the website, the merchant just receives the currency of choice, but the user pays with crypto without having any step in between.
So there is obviously no liquidity that we hold.
This is just like a peer-to-peer transaction.
We just facilitate the transaction in the same way that we facilitate all of them.
And we facilitate the off-ramping as well.
The interesting thing is that this all happens in a permissionless way and in
a crypto native way. So we don't generate virtual cards. We don't generate anything weird. For
example, like Stripe does, we actually get an amount allocated pre-authorized from the user
wallet with the pre-authorization product. And then we just make the purchase on behalf of the user.
So the money goes from the user wallet directly to Alchemy Pay,
which is our off-ramping service partner, to the merchant.
There's no EON in between the holes in liquidity.
Obviously, we do take care in our usual decentralized way
in our usual decentralized way of the transaction integrity and the security of it.
of the transaction integrity and the security of it.
And then you have a sort of credentialing system to verify the authenticity of the agent.
Yeah, absolutely.
So the know your agent, as you said, is actually very fascinating.
So we do have a wide list of agents that can work with us and with our AI agent in the same way that we have a wide list of merchants and we do KYB with that.
So in traditional EO products, we integrate with the merchant.
With Eon AI Pay, we integrate with the agent.
So obviously, we verify before the agent receives an API key and can actually make a request to the EO network that it's a reputable agent,
it's not scammy or it comes from a reputable source, the code is integral, and it passed all the checks that obviously AI agents have to pass.
There's a big black box behind what is AI agents today from a user perspective.
A lot of people don't really know how NNM works. They don't really know what they can and cannot
do. So it's our responsibility as an infrastructure provider to make sure that we work with
equitable agents. It seems like there's a lot of different complexities and directions you can go with this.
And as far as use cases, do you kind of have to like start small and hone in on one sector, like you mentioned, booking holidays and then scale up?
Or will there be like mass functionality from the get go, like perhaps like yield functionality
or executing complex finance strategies on-chain?
Yeah, that's actually a very good question.
So the use cases now, they all revolve around the purchase of goods and service from Web2 merchants for AI or for Web3 merchants as well.
But it's only transactional value at the moment.
But it's only transactional value at the moment.
In the future, I do think that people will be able to build more complex agents.
But for now, our customers, the agents that they built, they usually revolve just around the purchasing of some good and service.
They are obviously, as you know, trading AI agents and agents that calculate liquidity swapping and yield farming and all
these kind of things. But they have not reached us quite yet. And I suppose that the reason for
that is because they don't really make purchases. This is more of like Web3 trading, right? Which
is not really our niche. We want to empower people to make purchases for real life goods and services
with crypto which is already what we do with our current products and now we not only empower
end users but we also empower ai agents to do the same all right thank you i'm gonna hop over
and ask cycle x a question uh cycle x you've begun deploying tokenized RWA funds on Conflux.
How are you approaching diversification and yield generation?
And what types of traditional assets are attracting the most interest?
Okay, thank you, Hose.
Currently for CycleX, there are three types of the yield.
So first is our fixed yield.
They come from the least company's equity and alternative portfolio.
For this part, we will give the investors a return of 7% to 9%
because they are relatively stable, right?
And we have the secondary yield, which has come from cryptocurrencies such as Bitcoin,
Ethereum, which is managed through a diversification strategy to optimize the risk-to-return ratio of the portfolio. So the ratio will be 10% to 20% annual yield.
And the third part of our yield is come from,
like, you know, there are some projects they don't TGE.
So they have the relatively high risk, but high return also.
And we will invest those projects and also we you know we
cooperate with our partnerships and we generate the additional profits for the phone
through a point system and for this part that you will be really high, which is 50% but it's really based on different projects. So through these
three yields, we can give our investors very stable but also very reasonable and
very promising yields. And as part of what we plan to tokenize, so currently we really have a very strict criteria to select the sites.
So here are several criteria. First is the sensitivity of the sites.
We must make sure all these sites are true so it can help us to facilitate on-chain site mapping.
And secondly, the division of the interest should be very clear.
For example, there are a lot of rights of the sites such as ownership rights and the use rights, the income right and the deposition right, those rights should be separate.
And for example, you know, there are some such as real estate token.
They don't have the very clear, you know, ownership on chain.
So we don't select these kind of sites.
And also the sector pricing need to be transparent to market-based
because they will highly affect the complexity of the valuations.
And also the assets should have enough liquidity of chain
because we have to make sure the assets can be traded on chain.
And also there are a lot of investors can, you know, buy it through off chain,
such as stocks, trade rates, these assets.
So based on these criteria, we think we consider the traditional assets,
such as least the companies' stocks and bonds can be the first choice for us because they have very clear legal framework and the stable cash flow and also high market liquidity and also their value is fair.
So these sites are really suitable for us to buy it currently because we have to make sure all these sites are safe for the users.
Yes, so all these questions answered. Thank you.
So if I'm understanding correctly, you have a couple of different funds or strategies.
One is off-chain, so tokenizing securities so that people on chain can access those yields and then
um supposedly you have um on-chain yield where you're you've got a basket of cryptocurrency
assets that people off-chain can access yield is that correct correct? Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's correct. Because we want to combine, you know,
they are also have a lot of benefits
for the traditional sites, such as stocks, treasuries,
because people trusted them, because people familiar with them.
And we can also attract more users off chain.
You know, for example, like Web3 users, Web2 users.
For cryptocurrencies, they have relatively high profits
and they have, you know, there are a lot of users on Web3.
They want to combine both of the benefits.
So we set this portfolio for our fund.
And then is the point system in like a governance token?
No, non-TGE tokens.
Where did the yield come from for the point system?
come from for the point system?
Because you mentioned 50% yield.
Because you mentioned 50% yield.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Just like we have some activities
to incentivize the participants on our platform.
The users buy our phone, we give their points,
and these points can be, you know, can be traded.
And when we hit GE, we will give their profits based on
the points.
Ah, understood. I got it.
And so the
difficult part that you guys
manage and oversee is
the liquidity on-chain and
off-chain. So how do you manage
that effectively? Is it like
if someone purchases
tokenized assets on chain, you're
buying more in the traditional market?
So currently, we do have a very strict criteria. We have the re-ranking system. Like we rank rank those assays like stocks we will value their fair value and we will repress them
and also we will check all these assays management institutions of them and also we make sure all these assays comply with the regulations.
And also, you know, there are some of these assays.
So all these things must completely follow our criteria.
Then we will select them.
And also for the, you know, the authenticity of them,
we have some partners and institutions who help us to do that.
You know, we cooperate with a lot of traditional banks and they give us some support of these, you know, all these things I said, like the pressing, like the compliance, all these things.
Yeah.
That's really cool.
What do you guys plan to tokenize next?
For the next step, basically we most like to list some stocks, list the company's stocks and the treasuries because we can have the stable returns.
So the first step, we want to make sure this can come true. And next we will chase more profits and more flexible portfolio for our investors.
But now, currently, we would like to choose a more safe choice.
Thank you for that answer. All right, I'm going to hop over to D-Force.
D-Force, what makes your approach to RWA different from others in this space?
And how are you positioning USX in the evolving landscape?
Your founder recently commented on the latest stablecoin regulations.
I'm curious to hear your take.
Sure. Sure.
Okay, starting from RWA.
So we're not just integrating RWA.
We are rebuilding DeFi with AI around it.
So as I previously mentioned, we launched our first permissionless RWA market on Conflex's space with Conflex as curator.
on Conflex's space with Conflex as curator.
And this involves battery swapping technology from And Digital as collateral.
And Digital is a massive Chinese company.
And this is just the beginning.
This is just how we want to show what we're building.
So anyone can apply, text us at contact.defourse.network
to apply to have their own,
or to be the curator of a specific RWA market that we will then have deploying and offer the liquidity for,
you know, gather the liquidity.
So this is the innovation.
We open up composability in a transparent way.
And we let anyone who's interested of course after we do
the due diligence to open their own rwa market and i think this is very interesting because in
crypto you have to be open to composability because everything on chain is so it's meant
to be built on each other so sometimes it's good to delegate and it's good to open up. So this is what we're doing revolutionary with RWA.
And specifically, we will, at the end of the day, once we have many markets and many strategies
going on, we will also develop AI agents that will be independently capable of directing
the liquidity of the users who participate
to the best yielding markets and other things too that we have in mind.
About USX, USX is not new.
It's, I think, one of the most battle-tested and secure decentralized stablecoins in the space.
It's multi-collateral, multi-chain and fully decentralized uh it has been it has gone through
several you know major uh market black swans and it's still there peg at one dollar what it sets
it apart it's this thing that i just mentioned that in a field where new stable coins come up
every day now we even have walmart bank of america and
whoever literally saying that they want to launch their own stable coin we have the experience of
doing that and we've been doing that since years usx will also play a key role in our defy with ai
shift in general we once we develop internet which is this no code ai agents and tokens launch but
we are going to leverage it to deploy agents that can redirect yields and of course you need to
you need stable coins for liquidity you need stable coins for yields you need stable coins for lp and usx will play a big part in that about uh our uh our founder
mindao on his take on stable coins uh he's i mean i cannot talk for him uh but he said that the new
stable coin build the genius act isn't just a regular update it's reshaping the way players can thrive in defy in stable coins and there there are some
companies stable coins issuer that can you know see it as a constraint like the most compliant
and recognized one in the u.s while there are others like usdt that are a bit shadowy, they tend to keep a bit of, you know, some information for themselves.
So they might benefit from this.
But what's particularly interesting, it's how DeFi native stablecoins like USX are positioned as internal protocol stablecoins.
And this gives them a kind of resilience in a period of tightening regulatory environment in the US.
Because we always talk about the US like it's the entire world.
It probably is financially, but the US is just the US.
US is just the US. In particular, I think, let me say it again, USX will play a key role in our
DFAI revolution where we will have agents deploying capital in the most interesting yield.
We've been offering yield on USX since day one, and we will keep doing that in a competitive way.
I hope that answers all your questions.
Yeah, thank you.
I have another question.
Speaking of other stablecoins and how they manage their treasury and collateral, and speaking about the U.S. and the financial system,
a lot of these stablecoins are holding treasury bills.
What is your guys' strategy?
Are you going to be having a lot of RWA collateral to manage the peg?
No, I think USX has its own peg and mechanism, collateral mechanism, which is based on cryptos, basically.
You know, it was conceived way before RWA was even a thing.
So we keep RWA as an external market.
Each RWA that gets deployed on DeForce will have its own curator, its own market, its
own vault, and they don't necessarily serve as collateral for USX.
They're more like opening up liquidity in a lending and borrowing environment.
Got it.
And on the RWA side, you mentioned the composability and dForce facilitating new RWA markets. Ant Digital right now is a market around batteries, is that correct?
market a couple of weeks ago there was a period where people could deploy the usdt on confluxes
space we reached the cap of 200 000 usdt in a couple of days and now those usdt are earning
a yield that is generating by market participants borrowing those usdt using this battery swap as collateral. So this is pure RWA with DeFi.
This is like RWA and DeFi at this peak.
I'm curious to hear everyone's take on DeForce and CycleX.
What do you see as the biggest obstacle to institutional adoption of on-chain real-world assets?
Okay, so to answer this question,
from my perspective, I think the main challenge
focuses on this stuff.
So first, I think
the regular uncertainty
is still a key barrier for, you know, the whole RWA industries, especially there is a leak of the assessment, such as that we really need a ranking mechanism. lot of tokenized standards, they don't give us very clear standards and also the global
classification of the RWA is still not clear. So this lake of clear guidelines can cause institutions
institutions hesitated to move on. So we think the most barrier would be the regulatory uncertainty.
And the second, I think the lack of liquidity and the low market acceptance
would be a second challenge. So even though we cooperate with a lot of DeFi platforms, even though we have a lot of stablecoin regulations now,
and we have a lot of support of the payment, but still the liquidity on the Rw market is not enough.
And also, there are a lot of traditional institutional investors, they don't accept the RDB mechanism.
So the low market size would be, that would be a very big barrier for us to move on to attract more users to believe this market.
And also aside the valuation,
there is a lack of accounting standards.
For example, the traditional aside such as treasuries
and the on-chain price fluctuations,
the gas will be 10 to 15 percentage.
So that big gap can cause a lot of risk on chain.
So these are most important problems for the users also
for our issuing platforms.
So we think we must make sure all these things clear
so that we can develop more mechanism of the RWA,
such as we do the KVSC, do the valuation of the size,
and do a lot of multi-chain choice for the users.
And also we provide more classification for the size,
RWA classification for the users.
So if we cannot solve these problems well,
we cannot move forward.
Yeah, so that's my opinion.
Yeah, in fact, I would like opinion. Those are some great points.
Yeah, I think together with the regulatory concerns, this is the question we ask ourselves
when we decided to open our own series of RWA markets. and we see the biggest challenges in effectively having the DeFi
primitives match with the RWA assets. So aggregating capital, you know, gather liquidity,
omni-chain accessibility, having something programmable, something flexible, having
risk factors in lending and borrowing.
So that's, for us, the biggest challenge, but we also know how to fix it.
We've been doing DeFi since the very beginning, and you just need to apply those primitives,
the things that I would say crypto does best, DeFi, to RWA, and in the end, you will have
the result you want. and I'm asking for the
listeners I mean we always say RWA all the expectations all the projections say that
RWA is going to be a massive market worth trillions so it's good that you guys know
stay informed about what's happening because this is really an untapped market and you know
when we or other protocols are going to launch their own rwa markets on conflux or on other
chains you you know i invite you to pay attention to be there because these chances we are at the
beginning of this very important merging between RWA and DeFi.
And if I were you, I wouldn't want to miss out.
Well, like CycleX mentioned, it does come down to trust and some sort of standards that the RWAs that are being tokenized are trustworthy and credible. So that's a task in itself.
So that's a task in itself. And talking about standards, are there any coalitions or alliances that are shaping up in the space to help with that standardization?
coalitions i'm not sure about coalitions and specifically
Coalitions? I'm not sure about coalitions specifically.
got it ian i'm curious um after hearing about these rwa obstacles like what are your biggest
challenges for opportunities building in the payfi space and integrating with traditional
systems like visa and mastercard yeah that's a very, very interesting question.
So, you know, traditional system like Visa and MasterCard,
by definition, they move slow, right?
In the same way that institution, by definition, moves slow.
I think that crypto, and I've been saying this for a while now,
we have, as an industry, a problem of user experience,
that it's very widespread.
And we still believe as an industry, and I am an engineer myself, so I started with this
belief that crypto has to be difficult.
And we care a lot about decentralization and trust minimization and all of these nice buzz
words that we like to say and throw around.
While ultimately the end users, they care about easiness, ease of use.
So they care about user experience.
And I think that we still over-index a lot on that.
And one thing that in traditional market,
people have done very well,
so people like Visa MasterCard have done very well,
is remove the complexity from the user.
So you go pay, you don't care if you have a Visa or a MasterCard,
they are available everywhere, right? You can just tap your card and be done. People don't care
in regular POS payment, which country you're from, or which country your bank account is from.
Everything is handled in the background by protocols like Swift, Visa, MasterCard, by protocols like
all the different banking protocols that people use in Web2. And I think that we should replicate
the same thing in Web3. And so our biggest challenge so far, and the challenge that we're
trying to solve the most, is really make it as seamless for the users as possible as Visa and MasterCard do to make payments with crypto.
If you think about it now, you have to,
in order to pay with crypto,
you have to know which chain the app is on.
You have to create a wallet.
You need to figure out if you have liquidity on that chain
in the right token.
And if not, go to a third-party service, bridge it over.
And you need to know about gas. you need to know about slippage, you need to know about a bunch of things that, you
know, my mom doesn't really care about. All my mom understands is I tap card, I pay for stuff.
And that should be that for crypto too. So this is what we're trying to do. We are working
with traditional payment rails. For for example we've been working with
pos providers in the southeast asia to remove that complexity but still allow people to pay
with crypto and the way that we've been doing it is with scan to pay so you can just go to your
favorite cafe your orders i don't know i say five dollars. And you can just scan a QR code, connect your wallet,
and then pick five USDTs on whichever chain to pay with.
And that's all.
So this is literally one scan and two clicks.
One scan, one pick the currency, click confirm to sign the transaction.
And then we take care of all of it.
This is not directly working with MasterCard and Visa,
but it's working with POS providers,
but it is akin to what MasterCard and Visa are doing
in terms of simplicity.
So that's the biggest challenge
that we're trying to solve in the real world.
I 100% agree.
Complexity is a huge issue facing Web3 in general
and security as well i mean it's so
easy now to click on a phishing link and all day long i'm getting spam messages on telegram and you
know fake zoom meetings and all these things you're hearing of on on crypto twitter people
getting their wallets drained um how are you accounting for that with your scan to earn?
So we have a very, very strong KYB process here and very strong regulatory process that is powered
by AlchemyPay. AlchemyPay are our official on and off ramping partners. They are part of the
Eon investors as well. And they are also regulated in 173 countries,
top of memory.
I think it may be a bit more now.
So there is obviously a bunch of due diligence
that they do when it comes to merchant onboarding
for fiat payment.
For us, so for EON specific transactions,
what we do is we do have a decentralized network or node.
The network works on distributed proof of stake.
People validate transaction in a very similar fashion that they validate, you know, chain link data or rest on data or, you know, Ethereum transaction or ZK transaction or ZK sync transaction.
It's a very similar process, but we need that all kind of in the background.
That is not our selling point.
We do have that.
And that is, you know, one of the reasons, for example,
why we are paying into investors and to the crypto degens and to OG crypto projects, for sure.
And, you know, security and reliability is very important to me personally.
But I don't go to the end user saying,
oh, we are decentralized protocol.
We have distributed proof of stake.
And I have to go into explaining what staking even is.
What they know is that we don't hold any liquidity. We have people that are third
parties that validate every transaction and make sure that the transaction is correct and legitimate.
And then we have a very, very strong regulatory compliance in the country that they're paying for.
And this is the security that we show. Obviously, the security that we have is much more deep than that,
but it's a matter of user experience.
It's not a matter of showing to the customer everything that you have.
It's a matter of making them feel secure enough
with the minimum information possible
so that the complexity gets not exposed to the customer,
but they still have the same level of reliability in their mind
as you do in real life.
That makes a lot of sense. Thank you for your answer.
All right, guys, I'm going to wrap this up with one last closing thought here.
I'm going to allow you to just looking ahead, comment on the next 12 to 18 months,
what trends you're most excited about and if you want to drop a plug
on your project or what's upcoming uh feel free to go for it i'll start with d4s
yeah sure 12 to 18 months is a long period of time uh there's you know there's so many things going on in crypto that we would like to plan with less margin, let's say.
And nothing.
I would just really, I could say a million things, but I want to focus on RWA markets.
So we're running RWA markets.
We have one available on Conflux, which will ever reach the cap.
Stay tuned in case the cap is raised or if there's new markets
and then stay tuned for the AI agents that we're going to develop
through internet.io, check that out too,
to optimize the liquidity to really bring DeFi to the AI era.
So I will keep it simple to really make my point.
to really make my point.
CycleX.
CycleX.
Okay, so just as the Dufour said,
we're really excited to cooperate with the construction
because there are a lot of partners of the RWA
that in the future we can cooperate.
This is really important because just as I said,
the compliance, the structures,
and the ranking, the ranking the size management all this stuff needs a lot of you know discussions in this industries
people projects should discuss more and more to to to make sure all these things can have solutions
have a standard so for example like example, like the DeFi platforms,
we want to increase our RWA liquidity.
We want to connect with lending platform and the staking platform.
We want to do the very great secondary market
to attract more users to buy and redeem our RWA form.
So I think that that would be important to cooperate with the partners.
We can build it together.
Without them, we cannot achieve that.
And also, the market acceptance and education would be very important.
the market acceptance and education would be very important.
Just as I said, out of the day, which is financial focus,
and there are a lot of people, they don't know that,
they don't trust this industry.
So we really need to set up the educational materials,
and we must let the user know what sites they buy, how they trust us,
and what the security of the site is. And also, you know, all these ecosystem platforms,
infrastructures of RWA are really mature to let them join. So that would be a very, very
exciting trend for me
ian your last up yeah from my point of view obviously thank you so much for having me
it's been a pleasure talking with you guys again i've been a conflux friend for a while
now so yeah i really appreciate the chance
to do this ama from what we're doing you know as i said 18 months is a very long time in crypto
this is um this is years there's people that have been in the space for less than 18 months i'm sure
in this in this call and the listeners but we are doubling down on ai for sure. We are at the moment the best AI to AI payment service with crypto native capability.
And so we want to keep working on that.
We want to keep needing on that.
From my personal point of view, I am very proud to make Eon always as easy as possible to use and as compatible as possible with the different chains.
We are expanding on tens of chains and now we support hundreds of tokens. So pretty much
everything that you've used on a daily basis, chances are we're going to support that token.
And yeah, so we're looking a lot into these three payouts. The first is AI.
The second is crypto-to-crypto payment.
And the third one is real-life payment.
And I'm also starting a series, which is called the PayFi Minute,
in which I will talk about everything PayFi,
not to shill in or anything like that,
but really to inform the user, like why we say the PayFi is the future of money
and what are the blockers.
You know, sometimes I ask stupid questions like,
you know, why can't AI buy a book
and then try to find an answer.
So if you're interested in that and to know more,
visit us on Eon.
Obviously, Eon community is the Twitter account
and mine is MK Massari.
So feel free to follow us and there's going to be more to come.
Thank you to our guests for being here today.
And thank you to all of our listeners.
We really appreciate your support and hope you enjoyed this conversation.
Have a great day and evening, wherever you're tuning in from.
Thank you. Thank you, everyone.
Thank you, guys.
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