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I'm not I'm not doing that again, but welcome. Well, it's a serious day. Okay, SPF
It's real money. It is no jokes today. No jokes. Okay, I'll keep I'll keep the jokes to an absolute minimum
I'm looking at you Alan Carroll
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And last but not least our resident lawyer and SPF specialist
Vigil and shout to everyone on stage Andrew Saunders. So
Metapanda on the crowd Fidge how we feeling today
So as evidenced by my post by the way guys, please retreat the space get some people in we
Although Alan is a professional marketer and cam is our CMO
Apparently, it's my job to get people in so thank you guys all for joining
I'm actually in a car with drama on my lap heading to IRL Alpha in Venice to meet Saul actually with Chris D
Who is I'm leaving in 40 minutes?
I'm away. I know you're sure I know your type, but I am I'm excited to
Funny like I forgot live like a couple hours away like you know, I live an hour and ten minutes away
Okay, an hour ten minutes away in San Diego
I'm just kidding. Yep on the other side of the cows, baby
I know I actually think Andrew will level but I think you fully know we're rolling out portfolio wars
Which is basically fantasy friends, but you build your your team with meme coins and and
Bro, you say the word port and I'm in
Probably for different reasons. I love a nice aged sherry or you know a nice tawny port with the cigar, but
Thank you it as well. Super stoked. Thank you guys all for joining
Looking forward to having an adult conversation about SPF a little bit and then just talking about everything. That's that's relevant. I
Promise I won't ruin your recording this time. K fidge
Appreciate you. I'd like to go to the obviously the most sophisticated
Everything legal everything, you know macroeconomics Alan. What are your thoughts on this whole?
SPF stuff. Did you lose money in FDX?
But I was not buying any of those coins today, dude
That's all I'm gonna say but what I will say is one shout out to Andrew Saunders one of my favorite humans on planet Earth
My former boss. Thank you for being here today, bro
But dude, you look Sam bank when freed one of his parents pissed me off
Dude, his my look I know his mom is doing what moms do
But the the fact that they're just blatantly ignoring that their son is you know
An absolute awful human being and just like well
He was well-read when he was a child and you know, he's a vegetarian. He didn't kill animals. It's like dude
SPF I you know, he's a narcissist, right?
So what when you meet narcissists, they don't feel remorse for their actions
They feel remorse that they got caught for their actions
So, you know the unfortunate thing with SPF is he's also probably gonna be only serving seven to ten years in prison 25
There's no shot that he's getting that full sentence. So
Definitely, you know sad to see that he didn't get more time because the damage that he did on the industry and it could have
been worse if retail had been
Further along imagine one of the largest exchanges in our industry turned out to be a fraud after we had onboarded the normies
So we you know, I mean look FTX was on the top of the Miami Heat Stadium if you're in Miami
It was on the license plates about all the cars, you know
So it's like, you know, like we were getting a little close to potentially being way more catastrophic than it was
So fuck SPF and I hope you're out in jail for a long time
So I'm actually happy that pandas are I definitely go to Andrew, thank you all for joining Matt
I see your hand. So don't worry. We're coming to you
I'm looking for conspiracy theories here. Like that's what I want to talk about like I don't need NBC
I don't need CBS Fox News like come on
I want to hear like this there's got to be some deep state shit going on here
Fascinating Andrew you got your hand up
What's your take in general and then we'll go to Matt take in general
I'll defer to Alan on the on the conspiracy theory front
But um, but no like one other thing I wanted to bring up on top of Alan like listen
This is I agree with everything Alan said and this is someone that like
Significantly impacted many lives right like like you have to really take a step back and think about you know
Everybody that was in there and how much they had deployed and things like that
I mean, obviously they're saying folks will get repaid
I mean, we'll see how long that takes but but I mean this guy caused serious damage
But but the other thing that he did that I don't think people pay enough attention to so I was a Hollywood guy for
10 years I represented, you know big celebrities help them build and incubate businesses
And if you read some of the press and articles out there, you'll see this name Michael Kievas come up
That's one of my old co-workers. I I worked with Michael for 10 years and
You have to remember that in Hollywood, you know, they're they're looking to the most sophisticated and you know folks in Hollywood to kind of guide them
And I do think in the industry a lot of folks are not as you know
Tech-savvy or not as well-versed in these areas
And so I also acknowledge that like an enormous bridge was built was burned between
You know the entire Hollywood and entertainment and media industry and crypto because you know, I'm not I'm not advocating for
You know another basketball player project on Avax right now, but at the end of the day, you know
As someone that's done cultural marketing for you know, close to 20 years, you know
pop culture and entertainment has it has a real way to help bring this stuff to the mainstream and break through and
When I talk to a lot of my friends, you know in Hollywood managers agents lawyers
Even if they're crypto natives themselves or love the space
So reluctant to let their clients anywhere near it after what happened and so I do think like he burnt that bridge for the industry
I think over time, you know folks will come back but like it's gonna take a very long time, you know
Absolutely, I mean what's funny is
If you talked it and I'll kind of I'll set the stage with this and then we'll go to Matt is
Much like my arguments about the racist coins and stuff like that. What what he did is he gave the
the tools and the ammo to
to skew and fight against, you know
Everything that for those have been forever that we believe in terms of decentralization and autonomy and right
He didn't he didn't do it wasn't a crypto crime. He was a fuck. He just committed straight-up fraud like
You know, it doesn't have to be crypto. It could have been it could have been widgets. It could have been dollars
It could have been children like he just nothing about what he did had anything to do with crypto
but he gave the industry the
The powers that we threaten that we that the reason why a lot of us certainly got into it
And hopefully a lot of us are here he gave every he gave everybody else the ammo
To skew it right like Hamas gets a hundred and ten thousand dollars through crypto, right?
They probably got 30 50 a hundred million dollars in straight fiat through Western Union or money gram, but you
Crypto touches it and now you have that excuse and for me that's really the biggest damage that he did and before we go to
Matt, I don't get this timing
I'm a lawyer right there is obviously law and motion and timing that that is
Controlled and systematic via the ecosystem, but this is not just a crypto thing. This is not just a financial fraud
This is a political thing, right? He put what please someone correct me
I think a hundred million dollars if I'm not mistaken around 60 mil to Democrats publicly 40 mil to
Republican silently what we are watching
Ecosystem that is the law and the control play out and this is
We're watching a Shakespearean
Episode unfold and so the timing is not it just happens that he's getting sentenced as the bulls exploding right after the ETF
Like I'm not being conspiracy theorist, but this shit is not coincidental. I'd love to dive into it Matt. What's going on, dude?
Hi, John. I was a good boy
John must say hello. He's looking like a little sad baby beneath my legs
Um, I would like everything that you just said. I don't think he
Was the one to put it all together. I think that was all directed
Think he was just a big cog in the conspiracy and the the machine. I
Don't think you get to that level of fraud anymore without
So, okay, but just while you're saying that I love one of my biggest things with conspiracy theorists is
That's what's up moisture nice to see you brother an idiot nice to see you Rafi Tali. Thank you guys for joining
It's very easy to I call these like no arguments, right?
It's most frustrating thing is business when I negotiate with somebody who can always just say no, right?
Like why no like give me an explanation. So it's very easy to say conspiracy theories and
Government this so if he's if he's a the cog, what is the larger? What is a larger machine?
You wanted conspiracy though
It's it's the the control layer the the layer the control of the world that's been in there in place since the beginning
Since somebody figured out that you know religion and money are the two things around the world
So they started that four hundred thousand years ago, whatever
That's it I just he's not a top-level
Okay, so it sounds like he's a henchman so let's flesh this out on stage Andre Andrew you had your hand up
And then we'll go to Saul. I do have to go cook dinner for my my son though
I am listening, but I'm gonna drop down, but I appreciate you guys. I'll see you
Can that I gotta be honest with you every single space I've seen you on recently you always got a run
I'm like this is a great. You're gonna be very happy when I have a long conversation and bend your ear in New York
Fantastic look forward to it tacos post up top tacos in the park. Love your mother and thanks for that
Yeah, no, I Fiji I was gonna go back to kind of what you were talking about with the timing for a second
So, you know, I don't want to like, you know talk ill about anyone
But I did used to work for you know, the world's largest traditional media company, you know big broadcast network and and there's definitely and folks know this
I mean, there's a symbiotic relationship between the government and traditional media and
What it boils down to is, you know, if you're working for one of these big networks you want access, right?
You want access to big political leaders you want access to the press room?
You want access to information early so that you can have the exclusive story and then you know with all of you know
The news media outlets obviously seeking that you know in the reverse
There's a willingness to help and support, you know, the government as needed
So the government may come in and say hey, you know
We need to run this story on the nightly news or hey
We need to do more positive pieces around, you know
Police officers right now to help sentiment grow like these are examples that I know of
And so I think at the end of the day
You know what what I've noticed in the industry quite a bit and I'd have to kind of go back to look for the specific
Examples, but I've noticed that whenever there's a big event that happens in the industry that like put potentially can
You know push the industry forward or frame it as as a more legitimate industry
you'll often see I think a
Very architected attempt to counteract that with other media, right?
So the same day those positive announcements are coming out, you know
You'll then see negative things about someone in the industry or a company or some sort of fraud that happened
And and I've seen this now like about four or five times
So I would say to folks like in the audience, you know, keep an eye out for you know
Things like the Bitcoin happening, you know bull run things like that
But but you'll see certain days where we're very big, you know industry type announcements come out where it's hard to not be bullish on crypto
And then you'll be like why is this other story gaining more attention today?
And and my assumption is that that is very kind of well orchestrated through that kind of relationship. Yeah
Super interesting by the way, and this might be conspiracy theory ish, although it is fucking black rock, right?
Like so no conspiracy theory is outside of the realm of possibility
Because in my beautiful 42 years of life, I am constantly impressed by how absolutely shitty you people
Humans can be greedy and shitty it is is mind-blowing
Right every time every time I've gotten like really screwed in my life
I've looked back and go like should I it should I have been able to like see that coming like that's that's mind-blowingly
like fucked right, it's so outside of the realm of of what what
What I think I would do and people that I love and the people on the stage right now are people that I love
Like if anybody in the state did that I'd be like I like kudos. I didn't see that coming with black rock
Could could it be like is there a narrative that like?
Shit on anything, but the big money the big banks trust the black rocks come to the ETFs
obviously not direct and then time kind of
And throw him in jail kind of thing. I don't
It's kind of wild, but at this point, I don't put anything fast anybody saw what up, dude
Okay, first foremost everything she's getting out of jail. I highly doubt he's gonna get out of jail
Like he just got too much pressure like like like physical and otherwise on his head
Like he's got all the news sectors
Which means that everybody in every single prison circuits talking about him and how to extract capital out of him
Like and that's just a sticky place to be and like I don't think he's he doesn't strike me as smart enough or agile enough
To be able to navigate that type of world
But furthermore, I'm trying to be on my best behavior fidget. Oh
So there's a lot of things I don't want to say, but I will say that
SPF is is the figurehead for
You know, it's a poster child for like dude if you do that like he's the post child for punitive damages in our industry, right?
Like they're not gonna let him off like they'll find more charges even before they let him off
Like like people thought OJ got all roughly he did he read they wrapped that back around on him over the course of 10 years
Got caught stealing his own shit
So like I don't think he's gonna like I said, there's just too much
Yeah, as powerful as his daddy may be like I think that's probably the the puppeteer here is his dad
You know his mom and his dad his dad mainly probably linked him with all kinds of power players on his come up
You know is my best guess from just knowing the world as it works and as it turns and his dad's like my son's
Into crypto. He's got this crypto company. You should invest
That's probably the conversation that that ramped all of this up to the point where it even matters
To a good portion of the world, right and you know at his mom being mom, you know
Now she's gonna try to save his ass in his face at the same time and um, you know appeals are no appeals
Like they're not gonna let him off because that's gonna that's gonna take away from their narrative of strength
Right. They took him down under a narrative of strength and and I don't care Republican or Democrat
They will keep that narrative together because this isn't like a political thing
even this is a narrative based on like the actual mechanics of government and the DOJ and process in cases and you know
Visual that's those are two separate realms
Like the DOJ is kind of affected by politics
But more like popular opinion and popular opinion is this guy should do more time
So when it comes time for appeals, you know, I think popular opinion will sway that appeals process as well
You know hard press to find a find a judge that's willing to find some little wormhole out for him
So I'll push back. I appreciate the opinion the perspective. I'll push back a little bit
And by the way, thank you all for for joining. We can have the conversation that
That I wanted to have with you. We can have here
I'm gonna push back and I did mention this in office space earlier and then we'll go to Panda
He's done a really good job of playing dumb, right?
There's no like I don't care who you are. You don't get to it to the point you were at
From your dad or your mom like motherfucker is smartest shit
Which also especially if you're autistic means most likely you're incredibly calculated as shit
Don't think right he was again one of the largest political donators
I said this in the last space
He did what legislation did he propose
What what he was in the Bahamas? What was he avoiding scrutiny wise?
Probably not that much by my presumption is that he did that on mass and has dirt
In terms of dirty money to a whole bunch of politicians and he he donated to both sides. So
I'll qualify your statement saw by saying yes. I agree. He's not getting out of jail people care now. I
Don't think I don't think that people will care
In very much time. I think a bull right especially in web 3 for the web 3 people money erases everything. So
We'll probably SPF launches an NFT project that does well. We'll fucking love that guy. He'll be our time
Wait, I'm about point three three percent of the vote even less of that people that actually vote
I think crypto is fairly irrelevant to most of the world right the rest of the people so they don't really care about Sam bank
And he's a tool for the for the government to control
Perception of crypto to then control money markets and big business. I think he becomes irrelevant right besides for us to a degree
Gotta be a high likelihood. He's got he's got all sorts of dirt on on
Politicians that would lead him to be able to be released when it doesn't matter to the people that it mattered to
Panda you got your hand up. I'd love you. I'd love to hear your thoughts
Yeah, I mean when I look at this whole thing like there's just way too many like parallels with Jeffrey Epstein
Like an incredible like an incredible amount down to like the actual judge, you know
That was appointed to like preside over the case
You know if you consider like when Epstein allegedly killed himself in 2019 and when FTX started
You know, it's really just having a fall guy right and like moving money around
obviously like hundreds of millions were used for political donations, but I
Always found it odd, you know when like they spoke about
Sam's come up right and like the kimchi premium like I never believed it, you know, like and we've seen that before
You know Dan Bolzerian or I saying that he just made a ton of money playing poker or you know, like
Andrew Tate, you know same thing. Yeah, it was dad's a fed
so like I never bought into any of this stuff and you know, this just seems like
people always argue about oh, is it a or is it be and like it's usually see right and like I
Think in this case, like, you know, there's just
None of the politicians like are going anywhere, you know, first of all, like this guy
SPF. Yeah, sure. Is he autistic? I'm sure he's on the spectrum
Did he actually like calculate all this stuff? Absolutely not, you know, you don't get to that
Like come on man like it dude we've seen like, you know his the way he functions
You know, I had friends that
Actually lost a lot of money with him, you know that I I try to tell them like hey don't do it
They didn't listen to me like now this guy is like the golden child, right?
And you know, then when I look at his parents like same thing
It almost like almost looks like you know, his parents like sacrifice into Malik, right?
Yeah, he was lifted up like I've seen people leapfrog before a fidget oil in the world
right where they get like that boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo boo and like and that that's like it's cause for chaos because
like to earn the earned income and like and
Respect and integrity that comes along with like building yourself into a position where he was sitting like he didn't have any of that
So like he was obviously gonna act in a haphazard manner and he was he was put in that seat
This wasn't like a like he got there by by
So I want to hear I want to hear your theory like if so, why how?
And mechanics like what is your but what's like
Put the dick on the table. I
Mean, I think that you know, they came across SPF right Alameda was like back in 2017 and
They're like, okay, you know, this guy's autistic, you know, he has, you know parents that
You know are in high society
There's they're running in you know, these circles and you know, we can use this as a vehicle to accomplish
You know a few things one is like, you know bringing crypto down, right giving it a bad name
Being able to like funnel tons of money
That you know, it's not necessarily like there's one face to like, you know each story
It's like there's there's many faces almost infinite faces sometimes
But I think you know, they just rinse and repeat right? They find the system they exploit it
They tear it down to destroy everyone involved to make sure that they cover their tracks
And then like they just go, you know back to like the drawing board and say okay
What's like another thing that shows promise and they just keep exploiting, you know these systems
You know and it all just it, you know, there's like one singular conspiracy, right?
And it's like, you know to enslave the human population and you know
Make sure that they have no money right and to decrease the population, right? Like that's that's the main goal here
Right and everything serves that
Or okay, we'll bring a ton of attention, you know to crypto through FTX
We'll get it on stadiums. We'll buy every eSports team
We'll have Tom Brady, you know running around for an autistic person and then like once it reaches like a certain level
Then they pull the plug and it's essentially like an energy harvest like a ritual and then they're able to take that and like charge that energy
You know for like other purposes, you know
And people were not realizing they were complicit in it whether it be the energy that they gave for you know
Think about how many people don't own like one sat but they all know SPF, right?
They were able to like tap into like an incredibly wide net, you know outside of this space
So it's there's a lot of like esoteric things to it
you know, I wouldn't just look at it from
like one sense or the other but
You know, it's also like just the creator like orchestrating all this stuff through like, you know
Helping people like rectify there's you know
a certain impurity like in their soul
Let's say from a previous life where a lot of times you'll see something happen to someone and you're like
Oh, well, he didn't deserve that and it's like well
You want to open up the books of like, you know, all the lives he's lived and you know guarantee
It's like measure for measure. It's just there's so little that we could actually see I
Kind of like that actually and you know what I was kind of looking for like specifics
find like especially with conspiracy theories, it's it's always so easy to just
Like religion, right religion is easy often. God is easy often
But I kind of like the idea that that kind of like almost like a tokenomics perspective it's like
Let's just create chaos energy and then we'll figure out where to where to kind of are you getting that energy?
Once it's there to our purpose. So not like this overly hyper like
Strategic like plan the entire way but an overarching understanding of chaos is power
And then we can kind of funnel that if and when super interesting
And I was aware that my leverage over the people right because I have control of the money is slowly slipping away
What would you do? I would definitely
Hype up somebody who is out who appears to be outside of the government and you know say this is the guy
You know, look at this beautiful exchange, you know, he's meeting with all the politicians in DC
It looks really promising for the industry and then you would absolutely rug pull them once the trust is starting to form
So you can prove that anybody outside your sphere of influence, right is not to be trusted when it comes to this emerging paradigm of technology
You know, they all look what happened when you trusted somebody, you know outside of the government to handle your money
You know, so it's like what should we do?
Well, the government should create an exchange in a CBDC and then that's how you can trust cryptocurrency because we would never do that to
So that's kind of what I would you know expect their their game plan to be right?
They give you a little taste of you know, potentially, you know
What crypto could be but then they rug pull you so that they can continue to control because you know
The nepotism is what you have to pay attention to I mean you guys talked about his parents
I mean their relationships that his parents had with members of the government, you know are is interesting like Gary Gensler
It's like why is Gary Gensler playing dumb about cryptocurrency? I mean, there's literally videos of him teaching about blockchain
You know like a well years ago and like a Chad, you know, literally did so it's like, you know
That's what I think their plan was to you know, show the the world that crypto is gonna be a thing
It's inevitable that we're gonna lose our fiat money printer and we're gonna have to transition into this digital age
But you know make sure that we maintain control by blowing up
An exchange that is not fully controlled by the government and you know, that's kind of what they probably wanted to set that precedent
It's not so crazy right it's funny though
Actually Panda said in the last one of the last spaces. I've kind of wasn't said and I love that phrase
Right the most the most outlandish or the most ridiculous outcome is usually
Obvious one. I want to go to IP nerd and then and then Andrew IP nerd
Hey, so I'm gonna start this lead-in with I normally do not disagree with fidget all
But what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna present the counter argument on why I don't think Sam Bankman free will be get some leniency
So one of the reasons that you brought up is his huge amount of political donations
Now I actually have been studying this, you know topic for decades
I have family members that have been active and political donating for a good 50 60 years
So part of the when your studies and what you see when they get money
Politicians take the money because they have to nobody wants to be subservient to anybody no less a donor and technically
They're not supposed to but we all know, you know
If you have influence you have influence now with that being said
In the politicians mind, they already have the money
And one of the reasons why political donors have influence. It's not the money that they've already given
Although that gives you some influence
It's a combination of the money you have give the money you could give and the money you will give
Plus the political connections that come with it. In other words a lot of
Relationships are brokered as well with Sam Bankman freed basically being incarcerated
He loses the power to activate his previous donations
And he's no longer in a position where the politicians at this point couldn't even accept the donation from him
Just because of how would we look now with that being said?
Let's say political is right, you know, I gotta hedge my bet here. I don't know all things about all things
He would have to have something to basically offer, you know
What he would have to know something and in other words, the government might want his mind, you know
in the in the capitalist system
I'd be just be clear. I think you might have missed one piece which was I think he most likely if if he is
In this conspiracy theory if he is that smart then my statement was that he most likely
gave that money because there seemed doesn't seem to be any like
Legislation that he's proposing that he might have like dirt on the politicians
So he may not have anything to offer but he might have shit that he can control and that's what I was actually gonna cover
That point so I'm glad you brought it up. So having dirt on a politician, you know, obviously that has power
But a lot of politicians, you know are especially Congress that potentially, you know
They're not ingrained into the position, you know having dirt on the people influencing the politicians would actually be a greater play
Now with that being said, I mean he could have dirt on the politicians. He could have leverage
Regardless, let's talk about leverage because that's ultimately where we're going with this
He could have leverage in the fact that once he's basically neutralized. He's in federal prison and
Maybe he starts almost like pulling like a Frank Abenow
That's the guy from catching me if you can
Where he could be almost like an aid to the government because he has no
He has nobody out. He has no other trading partner at that point and that could potentially earn him some good grace
I mean he is a mad genius for what he did wrong was he didn't have proper accounting methods and he obviously
co-mingled funds and the funny thing is is and of it what the bets he made
It got exposed because of the bear market now that doesn't mean what he did was any less illegal
But in the funny thing is he started making private bets
With his own money and those bets
To add to as of today paid off as in time of enforcement
They were not paying off. So he is lawyers made the argument that even though he co-mingled funds
If he had access to his own personal funds, he could have used his own profits to basically make the investors whole now
Obviously, that's an absurd argument. That's like me taking a million dollars from physical
Physical and saying I'm gonna do this and I make a bet on a football game and him getting all pissed off
He's like I know but I didn't give you the money to do that
I gave you the money to do something else. So I just want to add that part to the conversation and let's see where it goes
And it's fidgetle like we've talked a thousand times. Yeah, I have a speech impediment. So until five or six times
I don't always get it right. Well, then now I feel like a piece of shit, but
Don't be I'll put it this way I
Practice where I'm a public speaker
so most people don't know until I say anything and I try not to say words until I
Basically set up numerous times
I just I don't have somebody to practice to say your name with because it's a new word that I never heard
It's okay. It's also disgusting word and I hate it as well. So I'm stuck with it at this point
But yes, I understand and and I'm doing it wrong. I just couldn't pronounce it, right?
Fair, please. Let's not let's not belabor this point. My pride is almost gone
You got your hand up. Yeah. Thanks. Bye. Get all
You set me up for that one, um, but no one of the things I wanted to say to Ip nerd about you know
When folks like this end up working for the government like it's very true
Like and I'll give you a great example of this
So like going back to my Hollywood days if you've ever seen a TV show I think was on CBS called the scorpion
It was about like basically a black hat who you know hacked the government and then the government
You know quote-unquote arrested him and then offered him the ability to become a white hat for the government
Like my team helped set that show up and sell it to the network. And so I met that hacker
He's a real guy and and so I'm not surprised like I wouldn't be surprised if down the road, you know
To your point he becomes you know some employee of the government helping them set up, you know, CBDC's or or you know
Investigations, you know on chain or things like that. So I think that's a good point that um that Ip nerd made
What I wanted to talk about is and I don't want to get into depth is a little bit of kind of what we're all saying
Without saying it which is which is really the dirty world of campaign finance
And I think like anyone that understands the world of campaign finance, you know
They've probably been seeking reform for years and I think one of the biggest issues is it's it's bipartisan, right?
So the reason why campaign finance doesn't get reformed the reason why you know
All these big businesses continue to you know
Basically manipulate these politicians is because both sides are equally incentivized to do it
And so I think I think to actually reform that stuff
It's gonna be a long time of change and you know new maybe even generations coming into leadership
But I think that's you know part of the big problem and I would say for folks if you've never seen it
There's um, there's actually a great documentary called dark money
It doesn't go super in-depth on this stuff
But like enough to the point that you start to really understand like how does this stuff work and and you know
Just history wise. I mean it kind of goes back to the Reagan administration and you can watch
You know documentaries about that
But but that was the really the tipping point when you know big business and especially big, you know
Tradify and finance started to kind of gain so much power and influence. So anyway, it's just one to kind of bring that up
As much as people think crypto is a scam
there's a lot more people that know that politics is a scam and
The the chances that there isn't it's just a fucking fact, right?
Like it I said this the other way in our in our space that that we shall not speak of I
Did say, you know, basically to a degree fuck teachers and fuck policemen, but what I was trying to say was
If you don't compensate properly and you pair that in a position of power
unfortunately, people full circle are inherently greedy and and and selfish and so
wield that power to make up the
inferior compensation right teachers should be paid a hundred eighty thousand dollars and have
That be monitored and rewarded and you know cops should be paid
$180,000 there should be they should have specific levels of degrees or there should be better filters in my opinion
And politics is the same way right? Like you put people in that
You limit their direct compensation
They're going to make the laws to help them make the compensation around it
And so there's no way that that this didn't play heavily into this entire ecosystem
I would like to hear everybody's thoughts about whether that is like like how directly do we think?
This plays out in the reality of everything
For a little panda lip-handed, you know do say I know he's got some thoughts on this man
The guy's like, you know for four years ahead to the rest of us. So panda, what are you thinking?
You know is going on, you know, you had an interesting theory earlier
Well, he's just chilling out then
I'll jump back in for a sec. I mean, I think what I was gonna say was this
I mean, I think you know if you look at Gensler's, you know history, obviously, you know
In stratify and you look at who you know, obviously some of the largest, you know
Political donors are I mean, it's no surprise that you know tradified prior to launch of ETFs was you know
Probably pushing the government for you know
You know control over this industry and and you see this a lot like like you see this a lot when challengers emerge
I'll give you a great example
So I don't know if folks remember this but like when Tesla emerged it just kind of took off right and the next thing
You know, you're seeing Tesla build out this pretty significant charging network, you know
and then all of a sudden there's excuse me all these lawsuits and and clearly like a
Orchestrated attempt of the government to quote-unquote slow down Tesla, right?
And again, like this is my opinion, but my assumption is that probably big oil and or big auto
You know, basically that was in the pockets of government was pushing them and that's what always happens
It's like you have a challenger emerged the challenger starts to take off the the existing folks are worried about it
And they're like, let's use the government to slow them down
Then we can catch up then we can leverage all the resources that we have to then you know
Take a lab leg up against them right and and you see this over and over and over again
So it's to me. It's just kind of like the same thing all over again, but you know in in the financial sector
Also, sorry Alan I I was like multitasking and catch like the whole like I know you were referencing something from earlier
You know, if it was just kind of asking, you know, how do you kind of see this like, you know playing out, right?
I mean you kind of like we're you know gave us right your theory a little bit earlier
But you know, dude, I mean once SPF is gone there
Are you expecting a new face of crypto to suddenly appear and always you know always like I mean the way the world is like
Usually you'll see you know an individual they'll like, you know rise to power
They'll gain like a certain level of prominence and then you know, they fall to their demise
So like, you know, let's say if someone's like super arrogant, right?
Then you know, like their demise is like shortly after whereas like, you know with SPF
We didn't really see that as much right like a Duquan or Suzu or you know
Any of those guys like, you know, the writing was on the wall
But you know with SPF it was like it was a little different
And like, you know, that's like why the individuals like people say well
Why you know are the the most wicked people, you know in the highest positions of power?
and it's like really just like the creator putting them there for their inevitable demise, right and
Yeah, I think there's always gonna be another new main character. They're gonna spin it up
Like, you know, it's like I wake up, you know another day another sigh up
You just have to like know that it's all like there's no coincidences, right?
it's just like a litmus test right like they want to take the temperature and understand like how well all the
you know social brainwashing and fluoride and you know different tie-ups are like working on people and
You know, they'll pull back if they think it's getting a little too extreme like we saw after coded but
Yeah, it's just they're churning this stuff out all day, you know, like they have all the data in the world
they're able to like fabricate things on a really high level and
You know, it's getting even like more important for you know
people in this space to like really like leverage the network effect and understand like who's who where they
Can like form alliances because like pretty soon, you know
It's gonna be very hard to like interface with people on the internet and understand who you're talking to, you know
Like, you know, it's getting like the final war that we're seeing like play out here. It's clearly obviously it's on every
Every level but it's like a financial war right and like, you know
Just like money is like rooted in like the spiritual realm. It's like people are chasing money
But really it's like they're chasing the Creator
And like I think that we're gonna see all these people come on chain, right?
Like what I don't care if you're a country or black rock or JP Morgan
They're all coming on chain so that they can like leverage, you know
All these like neural scanners and complex algos to basically like liquidate the other person
You know obviously like get more
Of like an advantage right on the board. So yeah, it's like it's not gonna stop
It's only gonna accelerate and like, you know, it just so happens that crypto
Is like the best vehicle to like, you know, just accelerate the wealth transfer, you know
especially like in size for a lot of these countries, you know, they it's
But I think this is nothing like, you know
There's gonna be a point where like this is you're gonna look back at this and you'd be like, wow
SPF wasn't so bad like that that will happen if you think SPF was the worst thing if you think Mt. Gox was the worst thing
Bitconnect, etc. Like there there's gonna be like countries that have to be bailed out
right like and we haven't seen that right now you're just seeing like a fun to blow up or an exchange, but
Yeah, just keep an eye on out for that. Like I would say within this decade
Super sorry, go ahead. I know I mean that's nothing to be well
I mean that definitely think you're right that countries are gonna be bailed out and for people that don't think there's a cabal
I mean when JP Morgan and Jamie Dimon are you know saying that Bitcoin is, you know used for all different kinds of crimes
And it's a scam, but at the same time they're accumulating millions and millions of dollars and same thing with you know
The other traditional financial institutions kind of shows you that okay
Well, they own all the media companies they own the news
So whenever they want to flip the narrative to oh, you know start bull posting my bags
I mean Larry Fink how he talks about Bitcoin now
You would swear it's an AI video because 18 months ago two years ago
BlackRock was not bullish on Bitcoin. They were secretly but they were still accumulating
Why would they show their bags and tell you how great crypto is when they're still trying to accumulate the majority of the supply?
That's even available to be owned right now, right?
So it's like that's the problem that we kind of have is, you know
Anybody who thinks is all conspiratorial look how the narrative flipped basically overnight and you know kind of shows you that there's not really a lot
Of original thought going on right there. They're really kind of trying to
Make people not have original thought and be told, you know
What is what is good and what is bad and unfortunately most people don't think they're mid-curve
And they assume they're you know, they're not like the average Joe
But it's very clear that when they're you know, told the jump how high and they and they jump that's everything you need to know
So, you know a little unfortunate that people can't see they're writing on the wall
But separation of money and power is inevitable right you think about
Separation of church and state right whenever that was hundreds and hundreds of years ago. That was a very massive power shift
This is gonna be the biggest power shift in our lifetime and it's inevitable. So
Definitely good to have some sats lying around because black rock wants your coins
Don't give them your coins by the way
And you know, I mean for anyone that's wondering about like, you know having someone else custody them
You know, that'll be probably like the next you know
Like event right where it's like, oh we were cussing X amount of Bitcoin and you know due to like unforeseen circumstances
Something happened to them
We're gonna pay you back in an asset that is like baseless, you know, like the dollar and you know
Like they launched Aladdin over like two decades ago, right and like for those that like aren't familiar with Aladdin
It stands for like asset liability debt and derivative investment network and it's like this like super
Like sophisticated brought like risk analytic type of like algo like a supercomputer
You know like when the government prints money
They're like input like all the different factors and and like ask it what to do
You know is buying up all that distressed real estate because like there was basically nothing else for it to buy
you know, they have like what is it like 20 something trillion like
So it's like I think Aladdin is like everyone's gonna be
Subservient to Aladdin and and that API and they're gonna continue to feed the data and it's like unless you're tapping into their API
Like you're just not gonna have like any way to make money, right?
Like if you're in like the financial space
You're gonna have to like just continue to feed it and it'll grow stronger and like leverage it against you
So to be even like more predatory than you know, some of these exchanges that front run you
So like, you know just at the end of the day like, you know buy and hold have conviction have a thesis
don't get shaken out, you know, keep your coin safe and
Yeah, it's like just know that the left curve is like gonna continue to outperform
You know for the foreseeable future
Dude, I'll combine yours and Alan's statement to
I'm a little ashamed that I'm gonna say this but that it's kind of like an aha moment
Right. Everybody who knows and anybody who's touched the cannabis industry knows that that that paper
It was a paper industry that that originally
fought against cannabis and hemp because it was a superior product and they were afraid of it and and
Obviously the the powers that be controlled cannabis for the longest time so that they could get their patents. They got one
There's a couple more pending as legal as legalization rolled out
Right and you demonize to control the narrative. That's just pot, right? We're dealing with the largest
potential right the ethos that underpins
cryptocurrency born out of or launched from the the womb of 2008 in the financial crisis
it if accomplished right completely undermines and flip the script on on on
Legacy in memoriam in terms of control ie money. So you have to imagine the statement I made earlier in terms of
the craziest outcome most likely the
highest likelihood combined with people being shitty and the extent to which you would be surprised that people would go I
Any conspiracy theory is in the realm of possibility when we're talking about a potential outcome that changes the entire world order
of control, so yeah, I don't I
Can't even I guess begin to fathom the extent to which individuals groups nation-states would go to
Because crypto doesn't just undermine the potentials of money in power
It aims to blur the lines of physical separation of humans and control
So yeah, sorry for the rant, but wild
Alan a joke to throw on top of that while I slit my wrists, dude
It's just sad bro, because you know you give people a Wi-Fi connection
Netflix and door dash and they won't ask a lot of questions
And you know, that's like how many like even panda was saying how many people like don't even own a single sap
I know who SPF is it's like dude. They're not gonna own a sat maybe ever
Because they're gonna get some bullshit currency from the you know government saying oh, this is worth the Satoshi
You know this is worth a Bitcoin, but it's like you know
You're not gonna be holding it and the next thing I guarantee we're gonna see you already seen some countries
Do it is they're gonna start pushing back against self-custody because what why would they want their citizens to have financial independence?
And be able to think for themselves and you know do what they want to do right so it's like self custody is about to you
Know be under the the scrutiny of the government, and they're gonna try and say it's way too dangerous
You you know you're not supposed to be in control
You know all these different all these different things and people will believe them and people will give their their coins to black rock and black
We'll give you some bullshit chip that says this is worth one Bitcoin, but you know you don't want to lose your Bitcoin
And most people will think that's a good idea and then when you actually go to try and get that Bitcoin will be like well
You know in six months you can get point two and then in another six months
We'll give you another point to I mean similar to what you're seeing right now of the exchanges
And they do it to control liquidity for sure, but it's like you know cool down periods of like 60 days 90 day
I mean dude you know you're already seeing the evidence that they're not going to give you your fucking coins
So you know just be careful with that
That makes a really good point. I never thought about that again. I love I love when I have spaces
Thank you guys for joining where I my brain expands and so if you don't follow buddy on stage do so
Really happy you guys joined. We've been talking about how to get these spaces to
So I guess we are numbers and stuff like that, but really it's enjoy enjoyable
and thought-provoking, but the idea that there could be an entire aim of
But driving that towards centralized entities so that they they can then flip that right at the end of the day and we're perfect example
Most people right think about NFTs, but it's number go up. It's not
shit if this is the goal they've done a great job of
Of obfuscating first principles and the reason why they started a self-sovereignty
You know freedom freedom of true decentralization
maybe maybe there's something to pump pump money make crypto exciting and profitable and then
Anybody please post cash today, dude
They would laugh you out of the building like oh you want a way to buy things without us knowing
That's not on chain. That's the thing I get worried about a little bit is freedom to transact, right?
It's like okay, you don't own your own
Coins eventually all your transactions are gonna be on chain
What if you buy something the government doesn't like or what if you try and buy something the government doesn't want you to buy?
But you have the money in your bank account, but I want to go buy some bullets
I want to go buy some nine millimeter rounds for my gun
But ah Alan your recent tweets about the government, you know, we don't really like that
So, you know what? Yeah, I don't know if you can't actually use your money
You can go to the grocery store
But they're gonna start being able to tell you what you can and can't buy and your car is just gonna decline
Oh, no. Yeah, you're not allowed to do you know
They're tokenizing ammunition so it's like, you know, you you you want to be a little careful about you know
It is this technology is a blessing. How do we invest in that?
By the way, I should invest in weapons that aren't on chain is about to be that's
Market weapons brother. We're gonna have flintlock pistols from the fucking pirate days
I mean, you're definitely right like, you know a lot of people that I see on this platform
Like they're just they're they are NPCs or it's like they've been assimilated
They've bought into you know, give them bread and circus and they'll never revolt
And yeah, like people have to think about their exit strategy, right?
Like, you know, I think Bitcoin is like a very obvious exit strategy, but it it goes further than that, you know
It's like what are you gonna do besides Bitcoin? Like are you gonna have chickens?
You're gonna be making your own bullets in your basement
You know are you gonna be like I mean someone did that where they inscribed like the STL file for you to like print a gun
On Bitcoin which was like pretty dope
It's like being able to look at a world with like CBDCs and like the Fed now and the IRS breathing down your back
And saying hey, you can't come into this, you know store because you didn't get a hundred shots in your arm
Like that's that's something to have to consider and then think about like, okay, you know
How can we like lay the blueprint, you know where it's like a new physically manifested network state, you know
with like a specific like blueprint on chain, right and like
Everyone can continue to like take that and apply it to whatever region they're in and you build it up with like-minded individuals
Like you know the things that people say. Oh, it's a doubt to centralize
Like you know, this is mutualism if people actually created those things like I know there's like Praxis
Which is you know funded by like the CIA and massage and you know, like the Winklevoss twins, etc
but like, you know imagine one that was like more grassroots where you know people just came together and like understood like they actually
Just want to live like a high-quality life and you know continue to propagate, you know spread the seed and like, you know
I think that that's actually like perfectly aligned with crypto. It's just most people in this space
They just you know, they want to live that that crazy life, right? They want to be the bachelor and
You know for the people that like want a better life for like them their progeny
I think that's like the direction we should actually start pushing things in, you know
if we ever want to see, you know, it's like things like have an impact it's like you have to start locally and
99% of the people live on 1% of the land, right?
You could use all these technologies to just you know spring up anywhere use 3d printing solar star link Bitcoin
You know, it's not so far fetched but like you do need, you know
Let's say a hundred people to start right that are like mutually aligned and then like you never know where it would lead
You know, what's that use case exists?
Yeah, and you need platforms to have the conversation because imagine Elon did by Twitter
Do you think we'd be allowed to have this conversation?
I bet you would be having some bugs with the you know, you name it dude shit would not be working
So, you know, that's the other problem that you're worrying about is, you know communication with like-minded individuals
You know, it's like, you know, you better hope these platforms, you know
I as un-american as it sounds they hope that they allow you to continue to speak freely because uh, you know
There's a reason why it's the First Amendment
Because you know, it's a it's the most important one arguably followed by the beautiful Second Amendment
Chris you got a hand up man. What's up? Wait, wait before we go to Chris. Just one second. Yes
Sorry, Chris once like I think there's some context now
About six years ago five years ago and you can look it up. I have I can post it
I I wanted to track bullets on chain and weapons and I I created glock chain and I and I filed the
The trademark I have never gotten a cease and desist quicker
Literally, I got the email one day that my that my my filing was was approved the next day in the mail
I get a letter from glock glock proper with a massive like 36 page cease and desist
I thought it was funny, but it makes more sense that that
They saw what blockchain could do to their industry
Fascinating Chris go ahead brother. Sorry
Yeah, no problem. Listen, that was a fascinating obviously you can tell by my accent. I am not from your country
I wish I was but unfortunately, I am afraid I was born in the the UK
I look at this kind of thing. You know, like
We're all talking like, you know, like these like cryptos and stuff like that
What good is it? It's like Russia or China or whatever they want to do
How do we trade like, you know, oh I need some water
I can't give you that anymore. You know that
Does anybody is anybody on my wavelength, you know, because I think there's something coming in, you know
I'm a little bit scared. Um
I think uh, you know, like everybody's like gone onto the digital side, which I understand. I'm yeah
I'm doing the same myself. I'm flicking through twitter for flicking through x instagram and all that kind of stuff
but when when the shit hits the fan
The scary thing for me is
Is the fact that you guys over in america you don't really know what's going on
not you guys like who i'm speaking to i'm on a bit like the the government kind of thing because
Us as the english we follow whatever you do
If you're going to you know, if you're going to invade iraq or afghanistan, we follow you
and check the history we do whatever you want to do and we follow you and
We do that because you've got us covered
Something is in the water where?
I'm a little bit worried now
And I think especially with that terrorist attack what happened in america. Sorry in in russia
People are the fact that putin is trying to blame that on americans and french people and canadians and english
And the medicans that fucking worries me a little bit
To the core to the point where i'm going to sleep at night
I'm trying to like just like watch like youtube videos and stuff like that
And it scares the hell out of me. It scares the hell out of me. I think
We're in for dark days. You know, I think this might be the last days of
Well, actually i'm not gonna say that because that might scare people but does anybody is anybody with me?
Like that is very concerning
Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be scared of anything except the creator of the universe
Um, I think the outlook is the outcome, you know, like
Um, you have to understand that these low vibrational entities feed on fear, right?
So like you're you're basically just giving them more ammunition
Um, and you have to like nut up, you know for that for your family for your country for yourself
Like is this is this not the time i'm sorry to cut in front of you though, bro
Is this not the time for the raptures or is this not the time for somebody to come down and?
Explain that like what's going on here now?
There's people stabbing each other there's migrants turning from like
The Saudi arabians and they're invading like England America
They're coming in and the raping our fucking women
At the age of 14 and doing all this kind of stuff. Is it not time?
If there was a lord is there not time for him to show himself and get rid of these little bastards that are doing something?
Obviously I I think it's I think it's a kindness in the sense that you know
It's a wake-up call for you know, people to understand like if you're seeing it
Like even if it's not happening to you specifically, right?
There's a reason you saw it and you heard it
And you know, it's it's a sign to just you know, become a better person and you know
It's sort of indicative of you know
The relationship that you have with the creator of the universe, right?
And if you take it to like just become a better person, you know, you're you're gonna be more than fine
Right, like there's nothing to really fear at the end of the day
Um, I think it's just people look at that and they're like wow
Like there's so much bad going on in the world
But like for all the bad that you see that's like being you know
Pushed by the media like there's an equal amount of goodness, right? And like you just you got to focus on that
I mean, I I believe in jim
They were like really worried
That the uh, what the grasshoppers were that the ants would suddenly realize that there's a lot more of them than there were the grasshoppers
Right. So like that's kind of the the veil of power as like the leaders, bro
You know, there's a lot more of us than there are them
So that's why they have to continue these side ops and continue, you know, trying to control
Um, so in you know the and luckily for you America hasn't given up all their weapons, uh, and we have plenty of them
Um, so don't worry you can come, you know across the pond if uh, she gets too scary
Well, what is me is if america if america falls then the rest of the western europe?
The rest of us fall if you guys fall which you won't do because you've got like the you know
You got the seals you got that will fall if you've got everything
If you fall then the left, uh, sorry the western
European we fall because we do whatever you do
I don't i'm not going to be an assucker or anything
You know what I mean? Yes chris before we go to android i just wanted to say
The the tactics the the the goals have never changed, right?
Control us them separation
Uh ideologies whatever it is hasn't changed, right?
It's it's it's the tools that have changed and to panda's point
I think we're at an interesting inflection point kind of to the opposite chris
um where we're at a point now where
Especially with with information the information age that what we're seeing in terms of quote-unquote a rapture is really just
enlightenment in terms of information and and I think the that the
The tools are becoming more erratic
because they can't control as as evenly or as
um formulaically as as they have in the past right religion has been here thousands of years as a
a patented tell-tale way right with
Time time exists always has exist by by functional definition. Um
humans need purpose that's that that's
A byproduct of sentientness and so by filling that with religion, right genius
That that's worked for for so long when information wasn't
As easily transferable as it is now right bitcoin crypto is just information. It's just data
And value ascribed accordingly. Sorry for the rant, but just interesting thoughts andrew definitely and then sean
Um, love to hear your thoughts brother. Thank you for joining. Welcome. Yeah, chris chris
Thanks for jumping up. I think um, I want to go back to kind of what panda said and chris
I'll give you a good example of this like
Fear mark fear mongering is a strategic tool, right?
And so I agree with meta like don't get into your own head and don't let this derail your own possibility and potential
And what I mean by that is, you know, the same way when we talk about kind of hackers
You have, you know, black hats malicious hackers, you know white hats that are, you know hacking for good
I've been in marketing for 20 years and and I was very early in like digital and social like like worked with
The zuckerberg family back in the day and and those of us that really understand this stuff know that it can be manipulated, right?
It can be manipulated for
Positive reasons that can be manipulated for negative reasons. Um, and I think again, you know
I know for a fact folks like me that work inside governments that you know
Do this type of stuff on behalf of of their governments, right?
And so I would just say again, you know, don't believe everything you watch don't believe everything you read
Um, you know, I think it is intentionally kind of architected in a way to create fear mongering
And again, you can just look at you know
Even russian intervention in um in facebook and meta in the last election
But like this is very very common and and unfortunately, you know in the crypto space
There's a lot of you know, black hats that are, you know stealing funds from folks wallets
But also just know there are many people that know how to manipulate timelines and manipulate what you're exposed to
And and that stuff really does shift your perception of things very very quickly, you know
Yeah, uh, obviously couldn't agree more I think
I'm enjoying the kind of cohesiveness in the conversation in terms of
Spf but you know being a symptom of a larger of a larger problem sean welcome brother
Not trying to not trying to chill I was just going to nominate ohio as like the place where we all meet up
For the web3 future or you know for the
The coastline start crumbling. I feel like ohio's good place. We got a bunch of crazy people that already own guns and
You're not gonna make it through these fields
without having to you know
Become friends with somebody it's funny sean two two quick stories one
When I was spitballing with alan the other day about like tickers and he was like we should launch ohio states will crush
True and everybody loves the hate on ohio
But until they come here and then they love it the second part that I that you kind of brought in mind
So I remember I bought a I bought my my house in la like right as covet started
I remember it came with the handyman that had that had worked for the previous owner. Sorry. I'll stop outside
Um, and this wasn't like this was right when covet was starting to like unfold and he was british. So he was hilarious
He went to my house. My ex-girlfriend was there and I came and the first thing I learned what punching up meant
For those who don't know that means that my girlfriend was much hotter than me
Uh, but the second thing that he said
Was uh, it's a really good thing you live uphill and I said why he goes well, you know zombies can't walk uphill
it was a little a little morbid, but
If ohio is the hill that the zombies can't climb up. Fuck it. I'm sure real estate's probably cheapest shit there, too, huh?
Compared to where you're at for sure
So you came up to say that thanks son
Yeah, I don't want to get too triggered in politics or though my wife will take the phone for me and she'll start yelling at you guys
Wait, you'd rather talk about pictures and and
tokenomics and incentive models with these magic words because we can do that too, I guess
Pictures i'm down to talk about but not the
I haven't been on stage in a year because of whatever happened to web3. Oh, let's uh, that's that's a whole another conversation
Let's let's keep the actual um
worthwhile conversations and by the way
just a preface and we'll go to saw the lucas welcome brother love talking with lucas and
one of the great parts of the pictures is is the conversations but
These are conversations that that kind of set the stage for everything else you talk about on a daily basis, right?
This is the we can get into the into the weeds about spf's hair
Ellison and stuff like that
These are the things that actually if you can harness can help you make macro decisions, but saw welcome brother
Uh, let's hear you in the middle of lucas
What's going on? So first and foremost you need over a trillion dollars in one sexualized location to consider yourself part of a kabala
Can't be kabalaing out here with fucking two million dollars
It's retarded. It's ritardio
So all that aside I think that like we're in a weird space where information is superseding physical reality, right?
Like but they talked about this in the 60s with that song age of the aquarius, right?
Like information is now like the new currency and we're trying to like I feel like as a society figure out how to sort that out
Information is an individual it isn't supposed to be it's meant to be shared and relocated and used right?
So like I think like we have some growing pains to go through as a society kabals or not
Like luminati or not like that doesn't dictate my daily life
Like yes, there might be some man pulling the strings
Like I still choose to get up and brush my teeth and you know and get on my computer and do what I do
So like I tend not to give my power away to these like elusive
Conspiracies like I did that for a portion of my 20s and I found that it like did me no good
I ended up being like I always sit out of like really powerful circles of people that like don't want to hear that shit
And I would say like knowing a few really powerful people that like the world doesn't turn like that on every level
There are definitely sick groups of people. We're we're proof of that right in web3
I think like but I do think like there's this big
Miscommunication on the group level like we we're all really good individuals like every person in this room
I'd be like, oh you're dope like the individual person but myself included like some of us get in groups and we act different
We and that's natural like we function different
So I think like like as a society
We should really be focused on organizational learning and figuring out how to learn in groups better
Because like we're not teaching classrooms of kids. We're teaching classrooms of kids how to be individuals and that's cool
But like then they can't even work together 20 years later
So like how cool is it really to be like this awesome individual and you can't even get along with 30 people in the room, right?
No, it's true man, right like if we're talking about larger, I guess what could be considered conspiracy theories
Isolation is is an incredibly powerful
Tool right in the same way that that organization right there is no organization without the unorganized
I mean right like a religion is only as powerful as the people who are not in the religion
A country is only as powerful as the people who are not in that country
And I do think we've to bring it back to web 3. I do think we've lost this. I think we've lost the sauce like
First principles and and the reason why we're here. And so if that was part of like the larger goal
Either unintentionally or intentionally it's worked
Lucas welcome, brother. I know you got some shit to say here for those who don't know Lucas love him. We've had conversations about
before he passes the next conversation because like
Um, like I always say i'm part of the illuminati what I mean by that is like it's like I am illuminated
So are you like and the minute like we think that they're more illuminated than we are
Like in more enlightened than we are that we've given up all of our power as people as groups of people
And I do like to always like like double down on that theory that like and the people I hang with like y'all specifically
Are enlightened y'all or y'all are are full of light
And I hope that like y'all don't like go to a dark corner of your life and give your power up to these people
They can they control you because they don't
Well, here's a here's a beautiful thing, right at the end of the day
All we have is time, right?
Full stop period right and and we package that up into different
colors of value proposition, but the good thing is
My time at least now my time is your time, right? Our currencies are the same that the question is how how?
How different can they make that currency feel between us right enlightened really is just in my opinion
The the active harnessing of of the gift if there is any gift, right?
You call the soul call whatever you want is the ability to exist within our limited scope
I'll stop ranting, but I do love when these conversations
Cross into the things that I actually talk to on a regular basis
Nobody wants to talk about crypto in my regular life except now they do everybody's heading me up even fucking wisco down below
But wisco knows me well enough that any crypto conversation is a conversation about
Purpose meaning value transfer and information lucas i'd love to hear your thoughts my dude
Thank you visual man. I'm bummed. I've been to to coming in late in the room or mid conversation, but so many thoughts one
At lunch today just starting so i'm going to start and run backwards in time at lunch today
I had a conversation with my grandfather about crypto because
It was in the wall street journal
And and that is a sign of something
Um, uh, you know sean also to ohio. Ohio is the land of quakers
And and it was the senator from ohio who gave us the federal reserve system
That we that we still use today the salman p chase
and and just to I also came in on the conversation about you know, the collapse of america the
explosion of the font of dollars
And it makes me think of like the the narrative of the history of the world is
We always say is like, you know greece rome
Uh, uh, the the catholic church, etc, etc. I prefer the narrative of tobacco
You know, which is uh, which is a
Maybe an understanding of those people who came over to the new world
Were infected with a different kind of thinking in a different kind of organization
And and when I look around the world, I see, you know, the the
The the popel vool that the the creation story of the mayan and the world that we live in today
What is the creation story of the maya? It's about a ball game
It's a it's it's about a different understanding of of how you spend your time how your relationships are with people
And even when we watch basketball, which is a metaphor for hunting, you know, what is basketball?
It's it's it's uh going around with your friends hunting by hand working together in communication
It is a a simulation of gravity using people on one side or the other
We have totally adopted this this new frame of being except we destroyed the narrative of that history
I mean look at look at drug use in the world from tobacco to marijuana to
To the the other drugs cocaรฑa, whatever those are those are also like seeking, uh to
um to experience the world or or to change alter your brain chemistry to experience the world in a different way
and so I don't see it so much as a collapse, but as the the growth, uh, the continuing growth of of a
To use the word a new world order but but not
Not the one that like we think of in the the narrative of the illuminati. I'll stop my rant there. Hey fish
No, it's super interesting. Um
and the the thoughts that it brings up is
Again, let's let's go. Let's go full conspiracy or full esoteric
The the gift of being human is is scary for for those who want to control and so it's almost like a
systematic breaking down of the the human
um, and I think crypto plays a really beautiful part of
We are so we have become so synonymous with
purpose and value which is you know, uh, a core characteristic of of sentientness and and
individuality and purpose and and value proposition
That it's become so connected to money, right? And then we we kind of think about it in in in
Silos where we think about oh, well, you'll see somebody go well, nobody can afford a house now, but
That stems from the idea that you find your value in being able to own a home when at the end of the day
you never actually own a home and and you're in you're in a monkey race to
Pay other people for the time value of the money that
At the core crypto provides us this opportunity to to make us stop thinking about money to a degree
Right because it also challenges our our notion of what money is
I remember when I first came into crypto I tried to challenge people to understand like what is what is a dollar and
probably one out of a hundred people could cohesively answer the question, right and the simple answer is
It's a a marker a placeholder for an unequal exchange of goods or services
they've done such a good job of of
From money that I can only imagine how scared they are
And and I guess we're at an interesting point where they know they've lost to a degree
And so it's it's how do we then harness that control that power that division within that?
Fuck I could rent forever on this here. Go ahead bitch. I was I was saying I was saying this in multiple rooms and getting shit on because people
Love elon musk. This is even downy elon musk. I'm sure he would agree with me and like there's nothing
Quantifiable in life other than money that would make him that would make him like a hundred thousand times more valuable than you or I
He's like ten thousand times more valuable than your average rich person, right on the books
Let's say just shoot arbitrary numbers out
But there's like I said like like the system is broken like like, um, there is no white
Monetary system if there if it is hacked as it has a system like a you know, an analog system
We've literally like lost the sauce and there is no
Like actual marker when the lady at taco bell gets paid
horribly for me to treat her like trash to work
10 times harder than the exec that acts like he put it together
Right. So it's like the top down shit is now kind of like boiled out
I think and the top is is so obfuscated from the bottom
They walk around in polo shirts acting like they're on the bottom
They want to like promote that they drive hondas and shit and they're normal just like us and it's like, okay
Yeah, you are so like take a normal fucking way or like something decent
Like and so like I hate the idea of socialism
But I don't hate the idea of like of hybridized like salary caps
Like for for corporate entities
I do think like there should be maybe a top to where things start to like maybe be distributed to different
That could benefit the general public goods and services of our world
Right, like if amazon is going to use the american government and the post office for instance
Like there should be some sort of like like a payback
To the systems and the fucking wear and tear and the use
Right and and they're they're finding loopholes out of all that shit
So like I think the biggest power plant people hate hearing this
I just say it because it's a hot take is that like the biggest power play america could make for its people is just like
Fucking, you know stone cold studying fucking the big like one of the bigger companies in the fucking country and just being like nope
We're fucking sucking you into the government. Here's your payout fucking an imminent domain
You're fucking done and then redistribute that wealth into new sectors and take that and pay off debt with it
But they're not going to do that because they're going to say like oh well free market and the market ain't fucking free
That's some bullshit. You know it. I know it, you know, that's all just something they sell
100 and we're going to wrap up. But before we do
I'd love to hear the panels. We'll start with lucas. I'd love to hear in terms of kind of this
Engrained infrastructure, uh specifically around money versus crypto power and control
Where do you think this goes and I mean like I just said I think that the government has realized that
It certainly gary gensler's
show of of actions to date
Where I definitely think he has fucked up like straight up
Uh and and finds himself behind the ball. Where do you think this goes in this balance between?
control essentialization and decentralization
Go ahead lucas, thanks pidgeot, um, I
Well to what you said earlier and and i'll tie it in
You know to what is what is to own to what is to control, you know?
Own is own is uh is one word
That is the french word for possession. Uh, the latin the latin cognate of it is to possess
Um, and I I harken to john marshall's words to tax is to control
And and even to what what is what is blockchain when my grandfather asked and was talking about it in terms of dollar extraction
I said no, it's just using these computers to make a public ledger
It's a it's a chalkboard that we can prop up in the town square
So we can get back to the narrative of what is what is the value that has passed between?
That has passed between groups of people
And so that we that we get rid of you know
The the elon musk the joke is that he understands that dollars are worthless
He understood that with that while people were were like running around and screaming
The sky is falling because he was spending all of these quote unquote dollars that hell when you have when you have uh five dollars
That's different. That feels a little different than ten dollars
And certainly different when you have a million dollars and oh a billion or what is a trillion like we like these numbers mean
absolutely nothing to us and and the
The value of them decreases as the as the disparity through the rest of the world grows. So, um
I think we get back to I think we get back to a
A world where we have a a closer like regional
um evaluation of the price of time of the narrative of the history of transactions between people
And and going to what we were talking about with the with the worker, uh at a at a burger king or etc
You know like we should even ask ourselves about the narrative of work
Um, do we do we really want to spend our lives? Um trying to
To gain some sort of privacy
You know, what's what sort of trap is that like? Um, is that really what humans want? No, they want they want interaction
And and they want to be they want to be held. They want to be needed by other people
They want to be valued by other people
sort of ubiquitous through all the world and and lessons that as we
As we you know gain in the the levels of this game that we call life with the dollar
And so I think that we absolutely want to reverse that and and you know
The number the number grows as the value collapses in that system, but not in our relationships
or evaluations of other people
So I take that and I hear that and I pass that to panda
And reframe it in in the in the context of a kind of a closing mantra
with those thoughts with those
Unified goals and beliefs that
Are at the core of why we do what we do in this space?
Where do you where do you see this going if you could if you were a betting man?
Um, I mean if I were a betting man, I think like humans will just continue to realize that
They should not put their faith in flesh
You know like uh people talking about people all day long and you know looking to government and officials and you know
Like this person did that and you know, I I would say like be very careful of like who you're critical of but more so
You know just understand that like, you know
The creator of the universe is the greatest artist and like he'll fool all of your senses, you know very often
And you know, he's he really is like an incredible artist and an incredible programmer
And like, you know to just like think about that for a second or try to even think about like eternity for like 30 seconds a day
Like set a timer on your phone remind me about my eternal eternal share in in the next world
Um, and like that'll actually like really help you like reset and like, you know, center yourself
um, because like a lot of times we get caught up in the routine and the tech and the people and
You know, it's all um, it's all distraction at the end of the day. Like that's the reality, you know, um
You only have a finite amount of energy and you know
Like the evil inclination will just make you like worry about things that don't actually like pertain to you and they're not your fight
Um, and you know, I think to just keep that in mind within the context of this fourth industrial revolution
Um, I think you'll you'll be more than fine. Like if you just meditate on that from like time to time
by the way panda this this is how I expected panda spaces to be so, uh
No, no, not not a not a dig
Uh, the reason why you and I vibe is besides for some shared some shared history and some shared
Some shared components of of the time that we share we're all sharing our own time
I dig because we can have these conversations and thank you everybody for joining for having these conversations
We'll go to Saul and then we'll go to I want to hear from alan and cam and then we'll awkwardly plug fantasy friends
Because if uh, if you're still stuck in the matrix and you like money because you do
Because then you make the money and then you do the thing with the money that you don't realize
Is gone before you want to do the next thing that you need to make the money to do the thing with the money
To do the thing so you don't think about the thing
We're giving away a lot of money. So
We had to package a much larger concept that um, if I spoke about it on the space
Thank you guys so much for actually having about a two-second brain
Expand to actually want to care about things. So we packaged it in in gambling
Legal skill-based gambling that you can make money on so
Well, i'll let cam do that at the end
But we'll do saw and then I want to do alan and cam in terms of uh thoughts
With regards to what we've been talking about. It's all going brother
Hey, it's a question. I'm driving through oxnard, you know for y and e right now and um
You know, do you think it's any kwinky dink? I was just thinking about this as we talked about this illuminati talk for hours
Um, do you think there's any kwinky dink that proctor and gamble like the headquarters one of them?
Um amazon one of their headquarters and the navel and like one of the like the largest navy strongholds are in the same area
I think that was like really smart of them to like pick that as like general protection for their like their business entities
Like pretty much they got like an army protecting them off get off off off that like it can't be a kwinky dink
That these companies chose like to be a mile away from a navy base
Cheap cheap rent cheap rented. That's that's that's well. No, it's expensive as fuck here. No oxnard
What the fuck are you talking about?
Ox dude, you can't get a fucking you can't get a quarter acre for less than a million here right now
Pennies dude, this is it's a bull market. Come on pull it together
Choose rich choose rich. Uh, i'll see you in an hour dude. Uh alan and then cam
Final simple. Why'd you come up now? Like i'm like literally trying to rap and now you come up, but i'll let you know
There you go. Um alan thoughts on uh
Thoughts on why your bags don't matter but your chin is the only thing that's important at the end of the day
All i'm gonna say is uh, everything that's in the dark will come to the light
You know seeing even the celebrity world all this bullshit that's been going on behind the scenes
You know for whatever reason that has been been hidden from us is starting to
Reveal itself and it's uh, even more connected than you could ever imagine
So, you know again, I think what uh panda said is earlier it makes sense as well
It's like being afraid, you know fear is a very powerful, uh emotion
And uh, they've convinced most of the world to think emotionally versus logically
So continue to try and use logic and and have original thoughts and uh, always question authority always question narrative
If it makes sense, um, that's what i'll say. Keep thinking for yourself
No, um, i'll actually i'll tag on to that. I know I mentioned the galak thing earlier. Um
I was forced or blessed with the reality that I was an ultra orthodox jew when I was growing up
so I was not just kind of given a view of the world it was
Absolutely packaged into into anything and everything. Um, and I I had the
The luck I would say of being able to have that and and then
Have the perspective from stepping away from that which I think obviously the rubber band effect is is real
An active role in that process post instead of just uh a hedonistic one. Um, so
I think perspective and conversations like these are are absolutely vital
Um as much as I hate being conspiracy theorists, I think it's absolutely crucial to
To keep that door open. Otherwise, you you become the product period end of conversation. So
Uh, thank you guys for this. Uh cam i'm gonna i'm gonna enjoy this acrobatic
Answer to the question and then dance into fantasy friends
Um, but lots of really cool shit coming guys. So
Yeah, go ahead. Yeah, absolutely. I mean for me, I I love what panda said about reflecting on your moment
I guess in eternity, uh because at the end of the day, there's millions of years before us and millions of years after us
Uh, so you got to focus on the things that bring you joy peace and profits
um, and speaking of profits
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We're going to keep having interesting conversations
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I need to find a replacement for it. That suits the among friends brand. But until then, um, we will
I don't know if we can have you you sing the song because you're talking about oxnard having million dollar properties. I don't see that man
I live I live in carpenter. Come on. Come on down. We'll go we'll go to the ap
Let's do it. I love you. You'll see nathan or my pacific foods and have a have a good old time
You'll get a smoothie. Anyways, but yeah
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Uh, uh rock around your family with a pocket a pocket full of shells. Can you play that?
That'll get me vibed up pocket full of shells
All right, so give me give me a sec i'm on a fucking macbook it's it's
Wally does that thank you all for coming. Uh, we do these almost daily. Um
When we do them they're 5 p.m pst
We uh, we're supposed to be shilling our our our company and our product but um
It's so simple and it's so like easy to win money
It's not that it's hard to really talk about it a lot got some really cool fun stuff coming out. But uh,
Uh, I like talking about stuff that that
That respects our time and respects our value. So thank you all for coming. Uh before before you play it cam
Thank you allen for co-hosting. Thank you kim for co-hosting panda. If you don't know, uh alu
Panda that's my pfp. It's fucking fire. It's all thanks for joining. Uh lucas simple waters kuro
Uh whisko, I see you down there. Um
I'm, not letting you up until you I can be sure that you're not going to say my real name because you are uh
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With the pocket full of shells
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All right, that was good enough
I just I just literally I just literally my old soul just got fucking hyped up. Thank you for playing that
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