Twitter Spaces will work properly. But today is not that day. I just had to restart my phone. Maybe I am so so sorry about the technical issues and I'm even more sorry to each and every one of the wonderful listeners who have to
little mermaid fashion to explore the octopus network. Vitty, thank you so much for being here. Can we start with a quick intro and let everyone know how you're doing. How's things going on the octopus side things as we all want to know?
Thank you so much. I think that we should have the music of under the sea going on right now. So nice to speak to you and hi everyone and very happy to do this very deep dive on Artibus Network with Art of You. My name is Vivi Lean. I'm a partner and also head of Media
for Autopress Network. And okay, a brief intro by myself. I come from a meetup background. I used to work as a TV presenter and producer for global networks such as Reuters Financial TV covering the financial market
and around 2017 I stumbled into crypto when I was doing a show about innovation in Silicon Valley and I just went down the rabbit hole ever since. So now let me yeah like I've been doing great and
And I'm living in California actually moving back to Silicon Valley. So yeah, David, let's get started. All right, perfect. What a wonderful intro, baby. Thank you so much. I hope the weather,
it's not as hot actually as it is in England over there right now but it's absolutely roasting here. I'm starting a little bit in a car like this and I am melting but it's not about me it's about you very and it's about octopus networks so for those of you who are in the near ecosystem
or you have your ears to the ground or you follow us on Twitter, you will see that wonderful little octopus logo pop up here there and seemingly everywhere. So I think people have a good understanding that it's an infrastructure project, but what exactly does Octopus Network do?
Yeah, I know thank you David for this very cute intro. You can see actually Autopus Network our official Twitter is in the audience as well listening I know that this is yeah, that's why we need a scuba diving kind of Into AMA about us because we are an infrastructure and
which is kind of like abstract for people to understand. So my drop today is to demystify it for all the view. So at this call, Autobus Network is a multi-chain network for launching and running application specific blockchain, aka appchains. So why is that important? Because
We believe that Web through applications with real use cases are the key to mass adoption. And our mission is really to empower them to achieve successful real world implementations. And also one of the key steps is to help them build app chains in a cost efficient manner while providing them
security, interoperability, essential utilities, and also a supportive community. So in this way, the Web Through applications could customize many key features, such as their own transaction processing capacity, token incentive models, and code based
and such. So this really allows them to run their applications without competing for transaction processing capacity from other applications on the network, while still benefiting from the security of the Modagee, which is the near protocol in our case, right? So one of the most important
an end result is that could greatly improve the user experience, which is the key to really onboarding users. And that is why entrepreneurs serve as a key infrastructure at near. How about that, David? Absolutely brilliant, Vivian. I couldn't have said it better myself.
because I'm not smart as you are. You've been too humble. Stop it, you'll make me blush. Not that anyone can see. It's audio only today. Alright, look, I think that that was an excellent overview. I hope those of you in the audience have got a bit of a better understanding as to what it is and what it's
all about but if you spend your life on Twitter like I do or you're already an octopus network superfan you will know all about octopus 2.0 does that mean Vivi that you are going to have 16 tentacles instead of
8 or is something entirely different? Could you tell us a little bit about what that is? Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you, thank you David for calling it out. You know, like the giving a shout out to Octopus 2.0. Before we get to the details of Octopus 2.0, I would just like to give all the view.
a bit of a context first, as mentioned earlier, October's Network serves as an infrastructure to help Web3 projects build AppChase. One of the most important features is to provide affordable, least security solutions for new AppChase. We all know that validates
are the backbone of any WebSeries and blockchain projects as they maintain the security, the integrity and functionality of any WebSeries network. So for new projects, this is actually particularly important because as a new project, they might be struggling and they might not have a large network of validating
or resources to effectively secure their network against potential attacks. So at all the press, we have the all the press network relay that operates as a small contract on near providing a validator marketplace where validators could stake OCT
tokens to validate a specific app chain. So this structure allows assets and contracts between near and any app chain to communicate seemingly. So that is basically what octopus 1.0 is about. And now with octopus 2.0, we are taking out of this offerings and
solutions to the next level. Autopus 2.0 could be boiled down to two major things. One is whisk-daking at near as we'll use near token instead of OCT for wrist-daking and the other one is near IBC. So to put it simply, through wrist-daking
with near, app chase could get security in an even more cost effective manner, greatly reducing their boost wrapping process. And also with near IBC, the IPC protocol will be extended beyond the cost most ecosystem and will be connected with near. So eventually, the
The series of ABC bridges we are in the process of building will connect near with various other blockchains including Cosmos, EVM chains, Polkadot and AppChase using auto-person infrastructure. So just imagine the possibilities it provides for all the Web3 projects that will be endless, David.
It's really, maybe you've got me all hyped up. In fact, I won't be able to sleep tonight. I mean it. I mean it. It's incredible. It's too hot. I know it's too hot. Yeah, it is. Well, look, as soon as that enabled and it's fully live, I'm really excited to see
What the builders of the near ecosystem and of course all the other ecosystems you mentioned come out with I'm sure that it will be absolutely incredible. You mentioned once or twice there restaking can you give us a bit of a rundown you know as to what restaking
is and why you've chosen to implement it. Yeah, definitely. I know that there's a lot of information. Let's unpack. So this novel concept of restaking was actually introduced by eigenlayer if you also like us, you know,
spending a lot of time on Twitter and the crypto space, you I'm sure you have heard about this project from Ethereum that has recently gained a lot of traction. It provides a mechanism that allows it is stakers to restake their teeth that has
has been staked to Ethereum POS. Some people in the Ethereum community even say that restaking is the biggest thing that has happened to Ethereum since MAD. So we also found the idea of restaking deeply inspiring. So our founder, Louis Liu,
He extended his concepts and applied it to the near protocol. Hence we introduce near restaking given giving near stakers the ability to secure app change with the estate near so if we dive deeper what restaking does is really to
to expand one of the most precious things in Quitter, which is decentralized trust, and make it scalable. Our founder Lewis has a really interesting analogy in comparing the potential, upwith taking to the
Autony current revolution. Similar to how Autony current open up council's applications, you know, since the invention taking the invention of electricity to the next level and enable long distance transmission in the same way we think
that we're taking host a key to transforming the landscape of the centralized trust because it breaks the traditional truss bottleneck and reduces dependency on centralized platforms so many doors will be opened because of that.
David? Okay, brilliant. Thank you so much. An incredible overview. So let's say I am a near community member. What benefits does that bring to the table for me as an individual? Yeah, yeah. Okay. That's a very good question.
very unfair. Well, there are many benefits. So for near holders, right? So like someone in the new community holding near the benefits are very straightforward. Say like say they've a new hold near and then you are a new validator. So staking allows you to multiply your earnings
when you restrict your near to validate other app chains. So you will not lose the near that you stake at near and you just restake it and validate other app chains. So you got you got multiplied earnings. So for the broader near ecosystem
The benefits are also significant by enabling restaking with near. There will be more app change and meet-aware to use near as the underlying staking assets. So that eventually will increase the value capture for near the token as well. So and also in addition, we see
staking encourages near holders to stake more, thus reducing the amount of near in circulation. So this dynamic helps establish a healthier supply and demand balance for near as well. So well, if
If you look at even bigger picture, Eigen layers concept of restaking is seen by many as one of the most anticipated advancements for any POAs public chain. So we believe that Ottawa's network is uniquely positioned to leverage this concept for the benefits
At near given our extensive experience in share security since 2021 and also Something worth mentioning which is in line with nearest open web mission the at other percent what we are also committed to an open and inclusive approach
to near risk-taking. So the autonomous team plans to relinquish control of the risk-taking base contract and make risk-taking an integral and immutable part of the near-based protocol. So that means when the functionality and security of risk-taking base contract is
mutual, everyone could use it permissionlessly. So this will allow any blockchain vision to establish its own security foundation to near risk-taking. They would they could do so in a permissionless manner without the need for auto permission or paying any fees.
So I will yeah, yeah, that that is that that was a grounds the yeah, you've absolutely hit the nail in the head. Thank you very much. My other question then would be well just actually just on that point while we're on it so you mentioned it can help incentivize the staking so I think
Impolently from something from my point of view the more nearer stick the most secure the chain is right on some Yes, absolutely. Yes, it works to optimize chance security which is Fundamentally invaluable. So that's brilliant to hear
Okay, Vivi, let's talk about the elephant in the room then. So you mentioned that restaking is done with the near token. What does that mean for
Octopus token holders OCT. Yeah, that is the Elephant in the room. A very great question because many people in the octopus community when they heard about near restaking they asked the same question. They said, "What about our token?" Right? So if you replace it with near and so the
of it, I think the philosophy is to, you know, we are creating a bigger pie so that everyone can get a distance slice bigger than the ones from a smaller pie. And you get a, you know, like a big, bigger piece is on a smaller pie versus a smaller piece.
But that's the like the fundamental logic here, but obviously we have OCT holders interest at heart. So so OCT holders will have the option of locking the tokens to app chains or sharing rewards with near risk takers.
without having to run a note or exposing the risk of being slashed. So in this way, there's a secure and easy method for OCT holders to maximize the utility of their holdings. So the OCT tokens still have a lot of value.
Also with Octopus 2.0, if you zoom out and look at the bigger picture, we'll be able to create more value and expand our offerings and attract more app change to our ecosystem. So this growth will obviously increase our market presence and generate
more revenue and the value will be trickled down to the community through many ways, apart from the one besides the one that I just mentioned. And we also will have more straightforward ways to reward our community of city tokens holders like
OCT buybacks or airdrops, but more importantly, when we create more value for the WebSuit community, the OCT holders will benefit from a thriving auto-perse ecosystem without any doubt. And also on a bigger scale, using near-for-restaking, we allow
light our interest more closely than ever with the entire near-accosystem, which in return will provide octopus with more support that will be beneficial to the whole octopus community as well. So I think, no matter from what angle you see it, we see it as a multi-win situation.
Brilliant. Okay. That makes a lot sense. I can get behind that. Yeah. Thank you. It's a net win for everybody involved. Exactly. It's well sought out. We really understand all the concerns and I think you asked very spot on questions and yeah, exactly. Okay. Perfect.
Alright, then let's talk about restaking for a few more minutes. But before I dive into the next question, actually I need to do something. If you are listening to this Twitter spares and you don't already follow Octopus Network on Twitter, I need you to take 30 seconds out of your dare and your invaluable time, put your finger out, go up to the top of this Twitter
space tap that tweet that I have pinned hit follow to octopus network if you don't do that you'll make me extremely upset and if you really think about it don't we all just want to spread live enjoy here it's free to follow guys it's it's it's a it's a uh no cost to you so that would make my day
for sure. Thank you very much. Anywhere. Next question. That's the end of my sub story for today. Maybe last one before we move on, I guess, from restaking for a little bit. How does it actually work? How does Neo restaking work? Yeah. Thank you, David, for the
very nice advertising and David is so lovely. We don't want to make him sad, right? So please just follow us and thank you so much. Okay, back to the question. Yeah, how does risk-taking, near-resteaking work? Okay, so, okay, that could get a little bit technical. Near-resteaking operates primarily through
a smart contract, no as the restaking base contract. I mentioned that a little bit earlier. So to start a process, near holders deposit the tokens into this contract. Then they could delegate their near to any validator pool with the near protocol that they prefer. So once it's done, they're
to opt in with restaking on any app change they choose. So it's not that complicated and once it's live, you know, like anyone who wants to restate your near, you will see you follow the process is done. So meanwhile, as mentioned earlier, OCT holders could also opt in to lock the tokens to any app
change of CT tokens to their choice, gaining rewards without the necessity to operate a node of worry about potential slash risks, or you could also join the nearest Daking. As for layer 1's Daking rewards, 100%, so all the rewards from the near protocol
will be given to near holders. So really this is this is auto-pressed contribution to the near community. And when it comes to App Chain Rewards, 70% is distributed to near holders and 30% will go to OCT holders. So we make a little bit of balance here.
And in most situations, Epchains rewards will be distributed in the Epchains native token. However, the options could be flexible is up to the Epchains teams and communities to decide how and how much that will be paid to restakers.
So that's actually pretty straightforward. Yeah. Yeah. It's straightforward yet it's so nuanced as well because there's so many things that you could do with that right? It's given the flexibility. Exactly. Exactly. A lot of nuances. Yeah. All right. Brilliant. I think that we are all sufficiently
on near restaking with octopus network. But I do want to circle back, Vivi, on something that you mentioned earlier as well. And that is, of course, IBC into blockchain communication. So I assume that that's one of the important pieces for
Octopus 2.0, IBC and the integration with Cosmos. Can you dive a little bit deeper into that please? Absolutely, absolutely. Thank you for bringing this up. It is one of the very important piece of Octopus 2.0. So one of the core technologies of Octopus Network
is trust minimal blockchain interoperability. And Octopus 1.0 all the app chains are substrate based and interoperable with near and other app chains. So at Octopus 2.0 we'll take it to another level after the Octopus team has been working on IBC
protocol for nearly three years now with interchain foundation. And now we are building the near IBC port which will connect the near protocol with Cosmos. So in terms of how it works, we know that IBC is one of the most kind of adopted protocols to handle value
and data transfer between two blockchains invented by Cosmos. So in many ways, it has redefined a way blockchains interact with each other. However, just like the well-known blockchain, Trilamba, that's a Trilamba for cross-chain
space as well, whereas it requires a balance or compromise between security, cost, and efficiency. IPC was designed with security as its top priority and it serves the cost most ecosystem well, but when it needs to verify a typical
block header using light clients between cost most chain and had a genius blockchain aka non-cost most chain in this case the guest cost could be significant. So to address this the architect the tech team has introduced
the concept of adaptive IBC, which is to replace the lyclion with an off-chain verification proxy and a corresponding proxy client. So, for example, let's take the cross-chain transaction between near and cost-moving.
as an example. The verification proxy will maintain the consensus of the customer's chain, then verify all cost chain messages and side them with its own key. Then on the near block chain, on the near side, the proxy client only needs to verify
verify one single signature, justically reducing the computational work. So the same setting is applied in both directions, making cross-chain transactions more visible and cost-effective. I know that this is quite technical. I just want to give the really enough
information. And then, okay, let me just mention one point. We know that people in the audience and David, you know, if you know the space, you might ask the question, you know, what about the risk because the introduction of a verification proxies can be seen as compromising the security of cross-chain
ridges. And we noticed that. And that's why we aim to avoid the pitfalls by building our verification proxies on a puppet chain that we call the "proxy chain." So this chain ensures the decentralization of the verification proxies to some extent.
As long as the security level is not lower than those of the two chains it connects, it doesn't necessarily compromise the overall system over all security. So we think that this is a good balance and also on the other hand we're constantly
looking out for better ways to upgrade and enhance security. For example, once the ZK consensus proves matures, we could replace near-sized proxy client with a ZK verifier. And the verification proxy with a ZK Prover, hence it will be much more secure.
So yeah, in general, we think that it's a balance worth having. And this is the adeption IPC that we're working on. I know that this is very technical, but maybe people in the audience, the technical crowds would appreciate that. David. That's perfect. I know you said something about ZK zero.
knowledge. I'm not going to pretend to understand everything, I'm not going to fake it guys. Some people would take these Twitter spaces and they would nod and they would sit. Exactly. I agree, even though they don't know. Alright, that's fine. The tech heads out there, I hope you absolutely
of that answer. I'm sure that you did because it sounded incredible to me. Vivi, I was scrolling down the octopus networks, Twitter feeds, earlier on today, trying to put together some brilliant questions to ask our even more brilliant guests yourself.
And I saw a tweet and a post which referred to Octopus Network as the near IBC port. So can you go into a little bit more about what the vision of that is, I assume you want to be the number one stop for
connecting the Cosmos ecosystem to the near ecosystem and of course to Polkara etc. Yeah, exactly. So with all those technical things that I just described so you can see this laying the foundation to make it happen. Right. So those are the things our technical teams
And then so the vision is we envision making the near protocol of vital components for the Internet of Blockchains. So through this implementation of a variety of adapted IPC bridges mentioned earlier,
We aim to connect the near protocol with other blockchains and also to include EVM blockchains like Ethereum, Binance Chain, Alva Launch in the next steps. So we believe that the near IPC part will create a whole wealth of opportunities for the near ecosystem and also
We have three builders out there. That's it. I'm not going to get too technical on this one. Yeah. That's the answer that we were all looking for. That sounds amazing. All right. Let's talk. I don't want to call it competition because I don't believe
in competition with 3. I believe that we're all open collaborators and that is the ethos of the open web and crypto and web 3 and whatever. Synonym you want to use when you're talking about this incredible world-changing industry but on that note
Are there any others out there pushing forward with IBC bridges between near and cosmos? What's the battlefield look like? Are you peering over the shoulder or anyone else to see what they're doing? Oh, that's very interesting question. Yeah, I think that's a beauty of Web3, right? So everything is...
everything but like it's open source, it's transparent and you know it's not the spirit is not about competition but collaboration right so we do aware we are aware that there are other projects also you know great mics think alike right
So they are focusing also developing IPC bridges between near and cost mo such as compostable finance, for example. And we have great respect for their work and appreciate the open source nature of the space. So we could learn from each other.
We can just kind of appear to the shoulders and see who, you know, like probably they're looking at ours as well. But I mean, that is how we learn and then also we support each other in the fields like who knows, like, you know, the collaboration.
So, so, okay, back to what we're doing. I mean, that's really an, we, we, that's that. Obviously, we learn from each other and all that, but that said, we believe that auto-bosnet is uniquely positioned to expand IPC beyond the cosmos and
ecosystem because we're actually the first one to implement IBC on a non-cosmos blockchain. This is a journey that's been going on for over three years now. Our team has won the grant from Cosmos and you know in
the process of building this the IPC bridges working very closely with the customer's ecosystem. So this extended research and development and technological expertise have allowed us to come up with our unique solution, the adaptive
to IBC that I just mentioned. And that is a very special and innovative value proposition. So that gives us a confidence to drive this initiative forward successfully. I mean, with all the other people who are doing the same thing, we're working towards the same direction.
Okay, all right, I love that you've just told everyone that in no uncertain times Octopus is gonna do it better than everyone else and they're gonna be the first to do it. I love it. I love it. Maybe that's exactly how you should be. And I think you guys are doing nothing less than a magnificent
So thank you very much for sharing those insight into the wider field of IBC integration. Now, David, we're just over halfway on the hour. I like to give outgests an opportunity to
to plug and chill the project that they are from. So if I wanted to learn more about Octopus Network, where would I go and what would I do? Sure. Yeah. So our follow our Twitter, you can see Twitter in the
bridges the new IPC part and all of this plans will go live later this year. So really thank you so much for your support and we would really love to hear from you and
And if you want to build with us, do restaking with us, and everything, there's so much going on, and just get in touch, become part of our community, and send us messages, DMs, anything, and to enjoy this interesting revolution.
Okay, perfect. And I can attest that the octopus network community is brilliant. It's full of brilliant minds and wonderful people. They may be, of course, being just one of them. But before we dive into the rest of the AMA and ask you the handful of questions I have left, there is a big, big, big question.
Definitely. I actually agree with
I got very excited and I sent to my whole team, I shared with Luis and I said, "Hey, we have to go to this one." You know, it's a little bit because before we were waiting for the near foundation to pin down the location, we were not sure whether it's still Lisbon. Definitely we're gonna be there and Davey can meet you and I'm not sure whether you're still gonna wear that red
I'll fit that is absolutely amazing. And yeah, we're going to be there. And people in the audience, if you are interested in crypto and web3, we can't wait to see all there as well and to learn about. And by that time, octopus 2.0 will be launched already. So yeah, we'll be there.
and can't wait to say hi and meet everyone there. All right, perfect. You heard it here first. If you want to meet Vivi, you want to meet the octopus network team and you want to drink a beer with myself and the wonderful ecosystem who are building on and around Neoprotocol and
that basically freaks right? Compare it to the flagship events of other blockchain projects and you will see that this is the most inclusive ticket price of $79. I feel like it sells when I feel like it's with jobs. Anyway you heard it near condo, grab your ticket and hopefully we will see that.
Yeah, come and dance with David. David's a great dancer. Oh, yeah, you're sharing all my secrets now. I've got no surprises left. Okay, okay. All right. Let's get back to the wonderful topic at hand. So let's stay on on IBC for a bit. So
Besides the IBC bridge integration that you guys are building between near and the Cosmos ecosystem, I'm aware that you're also extending invitations to Cosmos based projects those who've built with the Cosmos SDK. How are you going to get them
over to octopus right you gonna invite them to near condom by them as much beer as they want or have you got a different tactic yeah yeah you always ask very good and tough question David and yeah definitely that is that is one of the things across our mind as well invite them over be friends
with them have invite David over to drink with them. But okay, so like I said, you know, we love the nature of Web 3, right? So projects providing, they are definitely projects providing security to customer SDK based chains, which we respect. But at the same time,
And we also believe that we have our own competitive edge. So for example, Autopress offers one of the most cost-effective, accessible, and flexible sources of security, ex-explained earlier with our restaking offering. So Cosmos SDK-based projects
could leverage the resources and support from not only Cosmos, but now they also have the near ecosystem, especially when it comes to validators and community support. So on the other hand, we have been building partnerships with Cosmos ecosystem since 2020, such
as the development of the Substrate IPC palette, our new IPC palette, the adapted IPC, as mentioned earlier. We have also contributed to the customer's developers training and the customer's Hong Kong Accelerator in a joint effort to foster more opportunities for WAPCY projects.
in a multiple chain future. So apart from all the funds that obviously we hang out with them, we hang out together and we really believe this is a multi chain future. Right. So like David said, it's not really about competition. It's really, it's like different cities and different countries and
different ecosystems we should be able to work very closely together. And so all of these efforts will, we think, will pave the way for winning the trust from the cosmos ecosystem, hence being able to attract cosmos projects to build with us. So as a matter of fact, several cosmos projects have already shown strong interest.
to launch with us in the octopus 2.0 era. So we are confident that this friend will continue. So if you have any friends building in Cosmos and they might want to also learn about octopus that we can see what we offer as well.
Right. Well, you heard it here first folks. Tell your parents, tell your sisters, tell your grandparents, tell your dogs, tell your cats, tell your aunties, tell your uncles. If you are building with a Cosmos SDK in the Cosmos ecosystem and you want to expand that further and leverage the incredible tech of octopus network, you must get
in touch. You can head to their website, follow them on Twitter, send VVM message, tag our Twitter threads a hundred times. Whatever you need to do, together attention. And you too can be part of the future of Octopus Network. Now, VVM, I've got one important question.
question. And then we have 15 or minutes left. When is it going to launch? What the people want? Give them what they want, Vivi. So, yeah, definitely. Our core team of developers are working very hard for the launch. And we're aiming
to launch the near IP support in the second quarter of this year. And then in the third quarter, we plan to bring near risk-taking life and also be able to provide shared security services to customers' chains. So we are
really deeply grateful for the hard work that our detective is doing. And also we are very grateful for the support from our community, the understanding and support, as well as the new community. Look, you know, the AMA that we're doing
and all the support from Neo Foundation and Neo Community as well. So we really hope that we could continue to grow and prosper together in this amazing journey. And David, thank you so much for giving us the stage. And I think this is really
really really, it means a lot for us as well. No, Vivi, it's been our pleasure. It's been nothing less than an honor as always to have you here on these Twitter spaces. Okay, give them one last time. Where do they go? If they
want to find out more. Can they join a telegram? Can they join a discord? Do you guys have in-person events? What's the website? What's the Twitter feed? Yeah, definitely. So we have everything. We have our telegram. We have a Twitter. We have this cord. We have a medium and we're websites.
So the easiest way is to go to our website, OCT.network, and also you follow our Twitter here, and then you'll find all the entry points out there. Join the Discord channel, join the Telegrams, and if you're interested, you can become an OCT holder.
that you could validate, you can delegate your token and become part of the active members of the community and you can join our community call once a month on every eighth of each month on this court and you will find all the information on our website and we have
all the articles on the medium and you can also follow the easiest way. You can also follow the Twitter and if you have any questions, our teams, all hands on deck out there and you could DM us and you could send us messages on Twitter or Telegram and we'll be there for you.
Alright perfect thank you so much for the final question and it's my favorite question of every single Twitter space that I hold. So I'm going to pass you the mic and you are free to talk about or she'll anything you want so it doesn't have to be
be about octopus network, it doesn't have to be about web 3, it doesn't have to be about near, it doesn't have to be about anything. You can tell us what your favorite type of tea is, how you wake up in the morning, what the best exercises, how you get to sleep at night, you can tell us about your dog, your cat.
anything in the world feel free we'd love to know you a little bit more. Oh that's so sweet of you David. Okay besides all the shout out for Octopus Network near con please come enjoy it and and I would actually want to
bring your attention to the latest frenzy on AI, the chat GPT. And I know that many of you are properly already using it and myself as well, especially at the heart of Silicon Valley, I can see how people are crazy about how AI
is changing the world. So I want to just kind of ask you to imagine this reality when we can come by AI and blockchain together and this is like one of the things that we are talking about, the decentralized trust, the decentralized future that probably
It would be, you know, could be finally happening. And so I know that a lot of you are in the space or are very entrepreneurial. So if you're building a WebSweep project and maybe you could think about AI or if you are building something AI related, you can
probably consider using blockchain as a tool to just find this perfect angle to to desire product that could really change our world and could may you know AI and Web 3
Okay, that is what I, yeah, that's what I've been kind of learning and researching and kind of fencing into it about. I'm not, I'm not that like a technical person, but I really love the vision and the power to what we can achieve.
with this amazing tour coming into place. Brilliant, Vivi, thank you so much. Thank you so much for attending our tour space and giving us all of your knowledge. Thank you so much to everybody who tuned in and just in case, one day
there are AI robotic overlords who rule our life. Thank you to them as well for everything that they've done over the past six months. We will be having lots more Twitter spaces keep an eye on our Twitter
to feed until next time Vivi and hopefully I will see you very soon. If not, I will see you at near Khan November 7th to 10th, Lisbon. Thank you so much, David. Thank you everyone for tuning in. Hope to see you guys soon. Thank you. Bye. Bye. Bye.