This is a special secret space. It's sit tight.
We're talking about the secret ledger app today. I'm mostly not going to talk at all, but this is Tor from the secret network account and we're happy to be hosting a couple awesome people here today. So in just one second, we'll bring them up here.
Give us a moment to share the link around and please do the same.
You want to do a quick mic check since you're up here?
Yeah, can you just find we're gonna win and just make sure we get everybody else up here. Let's give it a second.
There was just one minute waiting on the secret side and show up. Did you get the invite out to him directly?
Yeah, I'm speaking with him now he says he's here, but I'm wondering if it's not on the right account or something one suck Yeah, you can ask him what you can we'll get him up here, but I certainly don't see the secret Saturn account
- Check check. - Awesome. - Yeah. - Perfect.
We'll kick off here in a second. I want to just make sure we got to do we get the tweet out Patrick. Tweets out this cord and telegram so amazing. All right. Well, hopefully we get some people into the room here in just a second to start hearing about everything. If you guys want, you can give it a couple other minutes or otherwise the floor is really yours.
Okay, so maybe we can start right now if you want sims okay with that or we can just wait a little bit but by a little bit maybe we can introduce like everyone at this time so for this
Yeah, kind of I will say like Twitter space we're gonna focus a bit on few things regarding like the later application that one developers like on the SQL ecosystem and also a validator on the network.
I have been done, so people will be able to understand what's behind developing on top of ledger and what's possibly the difficulties and literally you can make it by yourself because everything is
open source if you have another stuff like working even on the secret network path, as a site project or just a project on top of it. So maybe I'll let you introduce yourself first, Satur. Can you go ahead?
So most just only know my validator notes which secret setup. But I'm personally like some of them in the room all you know me some don't for us who don't know me my name is Alex. I'm based in
Germany and I'm basically at the moment I'm the only guy running secrets and at the moment so I don't have any other people doing it. I'm basically the only one. Yeah, and I personally had some experience with Objective C and then
came, you know, came more into C and so on. So that's just my personal background. How much time like you've been like developing like since very long, like which language are you working on? What do you mean by that? Sorry.
For example, it's been like five years you are like a developer, maybe like working on just print or I don't know. Yeah, it's just a really long time. So like for over I think I started off from someone, probably like when I was 15 or 16 or so, and I got like more into C and also at the moment now with my studies.
awesome to Python. So it's like a pretty long time actually. I'm actually pretty comfortable with C at the moment. So C and Python is like my main languages that I quite like. Okay, perfect. So good introduction and maybe Patrick you can like talk a little bit about
Oh, I don't think I'm that important. I'm just here to make sure this thing goes smoothly and yeah, a big fan of Seeker Saturn, of course, and ZDIDX, both amazing guys in the secret ecosystem. Saturn's an awesome validate.
and ZDX does some IBC relaying as well. So both super important people and the other ones that are here is a really tough. Yeah, I can introduce myself a bit. So I'm ZDX. I've been like working for five years for a major. I'm still here as a
Blockchain developer advocate. So my role is basically like to try to connect with developers working on the stack and actually like building stuff with us. So as developer, you can basically if you have a blockchain, create your own application to make it like works with your nano.
devices or you can even like integrate your application, your blockchain or even go like way on way more like specific stuff. But everything is open source, we have documentation on top of it and we're going to discuss a bit like on how like for example, secrets that you have made it for
first integration path. So let's talk a bit about the first thing. So later maybe you know already a bit of it. So we are building hardware wallets. So an hardware wallets is basically something with a cool storage. So it's not like the same
as for example, Kepler or Metamask or all, for example, Cosmo Station. So they're kind of defined as a hot wallet because you create the first time your seal account or your nemonic, your 24 words you can say also.
You're gonna build them directly on it write them, but when you do it little EU It's been done like online so you didn't generate it in a secure place and Let's make it like possibly I won't say like it's
always the case but possibly could be affected at this time and maybe it's corrupt and in this case you're gonna lose maybe your fund at time you don't know. So I don't know what it's basically just like makes you available to generate your C
phase offline. So it's not exposed at this time. So you can literally just like write it on your side in a secure, safe place, not online, not on your computer. And then just use your account as it was, as if it was like connected. But the key, the
private key is not exposed, so you're pretty secure. So if you know, there is like a secret network, a little integration coming. So the first part when you have a blockchain and you want to work with ledger to have
All the integration pattern, the first thing is to have your own application. On Cosmos, you can use the Cosmos application and basically just go with it. You will use the current type like a 118 and it's going to be like the basic current type for everyone.
But you can also create your own application and have your own path. And actually, secret use is like a own path. So it makes literally sense to have it. And yeah, few more examples as like secret of the snip says,
720 tokens. So there is like multiple things that can be built on top of it. So it's kind of a bit different. So I want to ask you, Secret Saturn, how was the process like for you? So where did you
you start and how you get known about it as a developer? My first starting point was basically using a secret network and using a ledger. It was always too
years ago about just a normal Legend Nano S. Nothing too fancy and I also used it in conjunction with the Cosmos Ledger app. So, you know, the tip is starting point for someone who wants to use something in the Cosmos ecosystem and wants to use a hardware wallet to secure his keys.
And then over time, I also did more and more in the secret ecosystem. Join as a validator in almost like over one year ago now. Of course, holding some secret as well. Of course, reading everything about it, how it works, what are the ins and outs of secret.
And then after some time, I personally got the feeling that the cost of most ledger isn't quite optimized for secrets. So of course it's working for it, but there's just some things that could be done better if you try to specialize in all
Because the main feature depth that we have in secret and that's the main point of having it is your privacy preserving smart contracts. And for the grand goal, basically, I want to set out was to say, okay,
How do we or how can we leverage the ledger even better with with secrets specifically and not not always using the cosmos ledger because it's optimized for cosmos which is Really nice, but but when it comes to other blockchanges like maybe a more small says as well secret
or even other ones in a Juno maybe, then you start to see that this has not really been specialized for these. In terms of user experience and in terms of simple things like string replacements and so on, and the user experience overall. This was basically what my starting point of sound came
I'm not quite a like the Cosmos ledger but we can do it better specifically for Secret and this is where my starting point was. Exactly and from there I started off. Okay, no it's great to understand this part because
At some point people were just saying, "Okay, but you can just use the Cosmos application and basically it works with everything." I'll say you have the same coin type, it's pretty easy. But yeah, actually if you want to implement your own logic, I think for example, like private stuff regarding the tokens,
that can be introduced on secret. You need some specification. I have a question to start just before going more deeply with this privacy and all the features we could add in the future or maybe on top of it.
Was it like hard for you to get into it? How much time did it get to you to have the application done, for example? In our case, I would say we got a very nice head start because the cost of the letter was already
existing animals working with secrets. So we had quite a good code base, I would say. So as you might know, the Cosmos ledger is developed by the Swiss developer team of Sondex, yeah, they're like like like the co-paces also
So of course, the first starting point that I would say I had two starting points. The first one was the ledger developer side. So we just like see, okay, how's the actual process of developing a ledger app? And you know, if you would start from scratch, but then of course also so okay, we also have an existing ledger app.
from Cosmos that's working on Cosmos and works with secrets so why not fork their code base off and you know try to improve the things that we think makes more makes sense for secret and so the end basically I chose the path to say okay we will fork the code base from Zonnex CH
for the customer's ledger app. And what is also quite nice about it is since we fork this off from the customer's ledger app code base, we can actually, of course, make sure that we stay like in sync with their improvements. So if customer's ledger app starts to like, if SonDex gives new improvements and their customer's app, we can also put them in hours and hours.
SQL ledger app and make our app in sync with Cosmos but with our additional stuff that we have for smart contracts and so on. So in our case we had a super nice base to start off. It would have probably been a lot harder if we started off from scratch.
That's one of the benefits if you have a very solid co-base and the Cosmos SDK. This is literally the power of open sourcing everything. People can just grab stuff and maintain them pretty easily. Of course, that's an option.
an awesome thing about the ledger, the ledger code base for the cost most ledger as well as the cost most SDK. So just the fact that it's open source and you can freely take the best stuff that you need and put it into your own things is amazing. So yeah.
How much time you say like a good question, so my case first just reading everything for the process just took me like Yeah, didn't take me a lot like two of you hours maybe but then I try and understand the whole code base from the cosper said I took me a lot more so this time to understand How do they
a sense of the ledger and how it's parsed and which are the steps that the transaction takes inside of the costless ledger app, from just getting to the device to actually being shown, to actually being like, I would say, prepared to be shown to the user.
quite quite take some time to understand this like this like a lot of C code but it's like very very well written so I really can't say and took me like I would say proof after maybe maybe 20 hours maybe like to fully understand it like all over time so it wasn't like I was just like staying there for 20 hours reading it's no it was like it was
was like a process while trying it out, seeing what the code does and so on. But it was like 20 hours, I would say from the from start to finish. And you were alone on it, right? Yeah. Yeah. But the code is very well written. So it was quite easy, I would say. It's fairly easy. Okay. So you
just saying like in 20 hours which is like a day for a developer in the web free ecosystem. You're saying like in the one day we can make it like oh okay let's say two days so it's pretty huge. It means like it's pretty easy to understand it and just like the
So yeah, it means like is there is like a how do we say it in French we say like the shoddy possible? Like we can make anything pretty fast. So yeah, it's amazing to know that it's literally easy and not like a hard task I would say to have the lay of security on
of application. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true. I mean, in our case, of course, we kind of had a massive head start because there was a developer Cosmos ledger app. But still, I mean, the thing about it is that if you don't have it like this, I could also still use the boilerplate
apps that ledger also provide also tried them out. But of course, since we already got the Cosmos ledger app, I wanted to build it on top of this and not start from like, from from a boilerplate, I would say, well, the boilerplate templates. Yeah, yeah, just didn't make sense in our case. But of course, if you have like a completely different chain.
Yeah, then it's, then it's, yeah, it's completely, I would say, probably will take a little bit more time, but it's still very easily understandable. Yeah, I think so. We're trying to improve it and have something like very easy to understand, like for anyone. So,
Great to hear this feedback, I'll tell you. So thank you very much. And yeah, so this is like the first part and I say like, okay, so this is the first part we have no, an an application and then there is like a few things that we can work on the future. So this is actually not something that it's
like, plain, I will say, are just like walking on. But we can like discuss it because there is like, a lot of possibilities for secrets to have more collaboration and application on top of ledger. So the second one, after building your application, is to have direct
the blockchain integrate in the ledger live. So you are able to retrieve your balance, send token, receive and even take them. So this is like the, I would say like the hardest part because actually stack is pretty not really well done to have to
include more, I would say, cost-possification and blockchain. And actually this is bad because it was made like to have something very easy to integrate. This is kind of the same SDK. There is like a few difference, but actually it's kind of the same. So we are re-vamping everything.
And this is why actually a friend here is not working directly in the integration because he could have made it. But as we are reverberating this tag, we're going to introduce it before the end of the year. So I would say it's going to be pretty easy to have secret supported after
that. So let's say 2023, to not like push an announcement and be sure that we're going to be able to support it. So at this time, you will be able to have everything on top of ledger live. And this actually leads to something even better. And I'm sure
Here, there is developers, as we are even talking with one, you want maybe to have a secret application directly in the live. And it includes like everything. If you want like secret a stash application, for example, and be able to see your hand if this directly from it by even
them and swap them. Well, you could do it and you could do it like even with shade protocol with anything. And I think like this is kind of like the privacy part that our user will literally like. And I don't know if you already like welcomed something maybe.
Did how you just developing like okay you say like you have the your validators and the secret search one. You also worked on the application that is already live with later but do you have like an application actually. I first of all have a depth actually know I'm I'm.
Basically, one of the guys who tries to tie everything together. So there's a lot of DAP teams, like as we said, like the shade protocol team. The stash team is one of one pretty big one. Also button group is also one which is quite known in secret. Also of course, the NAT team.
the MCI network team as well. But I personally don't participate any of these teams. I'm basically one of the guys who's a little bit more independent, but tries to bring everyone together basically, especially when it comes to ledger. So at the moment, since we got the app out of
Now the next step is one of the things is getting ledger life support. As you said, sending coins, receiving coins, staking secret, that's one thing that we want to do as the next lot of
And also, as you said, is the scum section, section basically. We also use specific apps from secret like one of the best steps, basically that we have best in class steps that we have in secret can be that we can then use in a larger
life. So that's basically our next step. So the first step was to say, okay, let's get our own secret ledger app. You know, have some solid base and from there on, we're going to improve more and trying to extend more into, you'll say, into the ledger ecosystem as well. From the
You know some features, let's say because I'm not like as maybe the community doesn't know like everything. Is there like some privacy features that could be included on it, so you think? You think on ledger lives? No, well yeah, on ledger lives,
or directly like the application, like to understand, like, for example, using an secret token or something like that. Do you think it could be possible? - Yes, definitely. So the thing is, of course, our awesome team from Secret Labs. So Tel Aviv base team, I think,
Yeah, yeah, we actually have someone here from secret labs who's who's working for them And which is quite interesting is that secret labs of course has made this awesome secret secret secret JS So we can of course use secret JS to leverage all of the
features from secrets, specifically like it's privacy preserving features. So I'm pretty confident that we can implement also some stuff from from secret that is specific to secrets. So let's say seeing your as secret token balances.
And provided, of course, that you have the viewing key and so on, but that's like going to much in the details, I would say. But since we have a very nicely working secret JS base, we can of course use that for ledger life and of course, then easily get token balances and so on from privacy preserving tokens.
as well as we also said maybe for stash. So I'm also get the privacy preserving secret NFTs on ledger like that. That would be also like another goal. So privacy preserving DeFi with coins, you know, as secrets, maybe shade as well for shade protocol.
And see what the possibilities with the secret jazz that we can use. This could be amazing. We want to be this like a lot. Exactly this. Yeah, this is exactly the huge gold that I have for this.
This is perfect. This is what I want to hear. And I think like the community won the same. I'm pretty sure about that. Yeah. I mean, because it also brings, yeah, also because that's just such a big, I would say like over over spanning entity in the crypto community.
But we also bring tons of other people who don't know secret at the moment or are very fixated. Let's say Ethereum could give it some spotlight on secret as well because having some easy to use
Privacy preserving features on ledger live that sounds pretty good to me. Yeah, also pretty good to anyone out to everyone else in the room security in probably at the same time. This is something so so this is exactly what you want basically right yes
just going hand in hand. Yeah, this is perfect. I think we are pretty like halined on this way and there is plenty of news to be done. The future is bright and this is like a lot of development to be done.
And this is cool to have like a even like a community member like working on it and this is like very amazing. This is like kind of the stories we like to hear and we want more. So if you are a developer, so feel free to follow.
I mean, like, for the developers, if there is like any, like, the, the, the, the, let's just like to listen to us come, come with us, we have a discord channel, like the ledger one or even like secret one, just follow them, go inside. And I'm sure like, even if you are building like your first application or something, people can
help you are here, is there like communities, even like I would say like in the discord we have more than 3k developers on top of it. So your questions are always welcome so you can start from here. Oh yes sounds sounds pretty good to me because at the moment
of course, having someone who's pretty familiar with LagerLive would be awesome for us. To bring in an additional knowledge into it would make the process of course a bit faster. I mean, LagerLive is an awesome application but it's pretty big at the moment. It's a huge
the process basically of integration. Yes. Yeah, that's also awesome. This is a really. I'll think about that. That sounds awesome. Yep. Maybe there is like a few questions from the audience. I don't know like if Patrick or Tolkien
can put the mic on someone raising their hand. Maybe you have like question like for Saturn or for me regarding like all like even secret worlds, all later worlds. Any question?
Nope, I think the audience is quite focused. Oh, this is cool. Okay, do you have a few things you would like share? More? Like something we didn't discuss and you think this is something
interesting. Yeah, personally, I would say I mean, ledger life is one part of it because it extends ledger into what secret into like the ledger like realm and to everyone who's who's actually more focused on having like an easier to use app.
And easier to use, let's say, a secret network experience. But also in the other hand, of course, we just have our hard core secret network users, the ones that basically also very keen on privacy and security as well.
We have tons of users and tons of users who have ledger apps and who have ledger. And so the other goal is of course pushing forward the ledger app itself. So just implementing your free set the moment which I'm just doing right now. And I'm also like cooperating with tons of others.
So there's like tons of other ones as you might know, but developing so as an alternative to Kepler. So Kepler of course is one of the biggest, or is the biggest I would say, I would even say is the biggest
is the biggest wallet in the Cosmos ecosystem, but we're also working on developing other wallets. And so for example, Fina Cash, for example, Deep Wallets and also Starshell Wallets. So these are like all new wallets that we can use in that
optimized to also use the secret ledger app. So, you know, this is like an interplay. So of course, that the capital is also pretty amazing for for customers. It's also good for secret. But of course, there's like things to say, okay, it shouldn't be like only one wallet. It should should be like also another software wallet on maybe let's say
on mobile and on new Chrome browser and the idea is also to say okay I'm basically working with each team and communicating with each team to make sure that we basically bring the most out of the SQL ledger app because it's like sort of an interplay between between both right so you can only give as much if the
The secret jet app isn't can perform even better if you optimize the software wallets for it. So if you do some additional features, you can leverage both of them at the same time, which even brings in more additional nice features. Yeah, and that's kind of cool because actually, there is like, we
We talked about the Internet of Blockchain and there is not even 100 of it. So it's pretty easy for what it's to support everything. But when we come to like thousands of fund rate or even millions at time of Blockchain, it won't be possible to support everything.
I think it's great to have a plenty of software application extension or what it's everywhere. So you can literally change it and just use it from almost everywhere. And as a core wallet or stories, it's just like to be available on
anyone and you for as a user it's important for your security so as you go on even a couple of conversations, lipoilet or whatever you are still able like to use your secret application and literally retrieve your secret and use it like securely and
with privacy because if you are using a token, then you're secure. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, that's exactly what I also have in mind for it. I mean, getting privacy sounds easier than is. So you certainly have to be like careful about it and also
make privacy easy to use. Like that's another thing that you have to keep in mind. I mean, making something privacy preserving is okay, but having privacy preserving and make it easy to use for, let's say, newer, you know, I would say unknown user that doesn't really know something about
And once you get into it, it's also pretty important because that makes the onboarding just so much easier. If the user experience is easy to use, isn't overly complicated. It's also something that we work on. And also just making sure that you know,
I would say this best. Scanning privacy into the blockchain space is harder than it maybe looks at points because people might not see the benefit from privacy preserving stuff.
privacy because it's because using experience is just maybe a times just a bit too you would say complicated and that's exactly what what I try or what I try and want to you know reduce so just reduce all of the friction points that you
And that's like one of the key things that I'm very keen about. So just trying to reduce the friction that we have in between the gears of making privacy preserving smart contracts and privacy preserving like chains.
You know seamless as seamless as possible. And we thank you for that. Because yeah, it is great. Like you are a developer, you build on top of many open source applications, you try to help like the project we evolve. And I think like
This is like the world we should get from this one. It's like, anyone you are, anything you can do, try to integrate yourself on any project, try to put your phone on it.
Even if you're not a developer, I'm just like starting like in the web free. Maybe you have like some product management stuff, you can just like write a specific documentation because you're a good writer. So this is actually great and try to everything is kind of open so just like on board yourself on it and try to help people.
Everyone, it is great. And I think like the first way to bring this past adoption we are trying to do on the Web 3. So yeah, pretty amazing. So if you could just like make a last point, I will say. So we
going to reset a kind of fast what we have been talking about. So for secret and ledger, you already have the application done. And the blockchain integration could be playing for this kind of year, beginning of next year. So you can
you will be able to retrieve your asset and send receiving even take from it. So this is going to be amazing. And if you are a developer and building like on secret network, any application that can maybe get through the literal live, we go to discover part which is kind of
That browser I will say. So there is everything open source. You have the documentation directly on our website developer. I think it's like developer.cademy.cladio.com or something like that or just like developer.
you can just like put it in Google and just check with a portal. You say just developer portal later and we found it. You get all the documentation starting from it. If you need help, don't worry is you can join even or a discord channel.
discord.g/ledger or even the secret one and I think they will be able to help you if you need anything or even grants or I don't know so maybe let's look with them and I think we're good with it. Do you have like more specific stuff to add?
No, I think I'm good with this. I mean, maybe Tor has something more to say, especially that maybe with Stash, if he has something to add, that would be also quite nice. Oh no, I heard my name and I've just been kind of passively listening to all you guys crushed it. Can you repeat it?
This is perfect. Okay, great. So everybody has any question. I think we're good. I'll just wait for one sec. I mean, you can also ask me about that's also quite nice. You can also of course have some
suggestions, what we would like to see maybe in the SQL ledger app. What did you quite dislike about maybe the course was ledger app that we can try to improve? Because it's also quite a thing.
actually got me going. So you want me to ask you the question? No, sure. I mean, if you also have some suggestions, sure. I mean, I'm open for everything in that case. I mean, it doesn't have to be specifically about this.
So let's say, okay, what do I don't like about the Cosmetic app? Can we also prove on that? I mean, that's like always prove for improvement, I would say. - Hey guys, how are you? I'm really in a good shape.
Great talk. I appreciate your time and everyone joining. I just have one question about the ledger integration. Is it possible to be able to access the privacy smart contract that's stored into NNFT with the ledger?
the NFT sitting on the ledger and then someone can access, can the user ledger to access the NFT later on? We've already just stored in the ledger. Actually, for the moment, you can store it.
You can't you can't store it but you can actually like retrieve all the data the stuff directly like in the late your life But if you are using like for example stash using your your laser connected with copper then you can There's still no clear signing with smart
contract. I think it's like maybe something that could be like a lot of works to be done. Having like a the smart contract readable really on the nano and not like clicking 30 times. And yeah, this could be like an amazing works to be done. But
Yeah, that's it. That's kind of what I'm working on. So I'm here to decentralize intellectual property platform and something that's considered as IP is your private keys and see phrases. So if they're stored into a private small contract the right way and stored into the NFT with no metadata that NFT can unlock like your Bitcoin wallet.
I'm gonna have to have the record parameters in the smart contract. So that's actually what I'm building on the secret network myself. So awesome. Awesome stuff here. Thank you guys for that. Oh sure. Perfecting jump board.
So I think like the next step would be like just first okay, let's get secret on that live it for the basic I would say for the basic features and then as as the next logical step and bring secret smart contracts into it Which which is which I have to admit will take some work
Of course, but yeah sure it will it will take some work, but of course we also have some I mean we also have an awesome codebase in in secret JS which we can also leverage for this so it's not like we're starting from scratch so the the in text you know the in text move a smog
contract in secret.js is fairly easy. Correct. So, and we can leverage that for ledger life. Okay, cool. But of course it will take time. Don't start like something that I can do overnight. Yeah, in 20 hours.
Like it'd be like a good 58 month situation, but like that's a huge adoption like we pull this off with the ledger like you could I make the thing like there'll be a million users who would want to protect their private keys and seed phrases To have a backup is just having it on a piece of paper with the privacy smart contracts when one can see what it is
Yeah, yeah, this is definitely a pretty big a pretty huge feature that we also have for Secret and the whole company
So that's coming pretty soon as far as I know. We're on it. We're going to be cool. Thank you guys again. We're in sync.
I don't know how he made it like to to be able to discuss. So if maybe like someone else has the equation jump in right now.
Okay, I think we're good. Anything to add Patrick, Tom or yourself? I would just say Saturn, what's the best way for people to get in contact with you if they do have suggestions or questions about the secret letter? I think there are several places where
You can basically find me. So one device also Twitter just write me on Twitter, set me at the end. I'm open for every DM and you know every bug that you see or every you know new feature that you would like maybe to have and then we can implement I'm open to everything for your suggestions and you know
comments as well so what you can also do is write my discord some also on the secret app with discord and of course I also actually have which is a bit I would say a bit outdated for web 3 but also have an email so
Also, of course, have an email which you can also contact me. It's actually my valid data as well. It's @atmin@secretsheadam.net. So it's actually like an old email just you can actually write me an email if you want to, but it's the best place for me just to just write me at the end of Twitter.
that's probably the best place to start off. If you are really interested. I think so. Amazing. And I mean for the other ones which are in the Telegram groups, of course, you can also write me on Telegram. I'm also open for discussion on Telegram. If you want to, let's say you
on a secret group already like a secret community group you also find me there maybe rising at times hint there. When they dedicated Dave and Valdedator the ecosystem I would like it. Yeah yeah I'm I'm open to every discussion whatever you might discuss.
As long as it's targeted towards secret I would say like like not everything but of course if it's target secret pretty open to every discussion and ledger for us. This is amazing. I think we have done everything. Thank you everyone for attending it. If you have any questions
As I said, you can contact people literally on Twitter or even by mail or Instagram and That's it. I don't have more to say so Thank you guys. Maybe if Patrick or anyone else last word I'm good with this
Yeah, thank you guys. Appreciate it. We will upload this to our YouTube and make sure that it's available even after it disappears from Twitter. So we'll continue to promote this and anybody that has any questions about the Secret Lager app will forward your way. Secret Saturn.
Yeah, I would also like to thank Tor and Patrick and of course, Cdenx. Yeah, for asking me the questions, it's like pretty amazing. Also, I would like to thank him just for making the process in ledger extremely easy.
You know, it's, I would say, it's not really common for someone like to have such a nice contact point, you know, just taking care of the problems that we have basically or like the problems that we
we had maybe in getting the app towards later. So of course it's always amazing to have someone really like such an awesome developer relations guy as a contact point for questions and so on. So that was quite amazing from my point
Thank you very much. I appreciate it. And also, of course, a huge thanks to the Secret Foundation. You know, to Tori, to Patrick, for organizing this, to make him do it a space and so on. So that's great. I appreciate it from my side. Thanks a lot.
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