that's the way it should be
playing games in the dark
from behind the wall of doubt
that's the way it should be
life's a lonesome highway
seems the hardest thing to do
when you feel you lost your way
you've got someone there to say
that's the way it should be
welcome to say what in the morning
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get you all the latest say updates
and boy did we have some over the last
24 hours, shoutout to Biggie Poppins
I feel like I'm Tom Cruise in Top Gun
middle of a movie scene just getting after it. Biggie
Poppins, dude. What's what's going on, man? Nice, nice tunes
there. How are you doing?
I'm here. Gee answer. You like the Lionel Richie? Oh my
goodness. You know, I watched the Netflix series about the
we are the world movie where they're like putting that
together. Lionel Richie was a big part of that, man.
How are you doing this morning? Are we having any issues?
Gift that. Can you hear me? I can hear you. I just have like
an angle. It's kind of weird. Like I have like feedback
issues. I might have to drop off again. At this point, I've
come to expect it. I'm just good. We're just going. I can't
show. I'm going to start y'all. I mean, this is literally
every this is every morning at this point. So I'm not phased
at this by any means. This is just
all right. Fantastic. Just not able to get these space
together. Sorry, folks. We're going to make sure we get this
kind of together. But gift that are you there? Yeah, man. I'm
chilling. I'm doing me. All right. If you could while
there's an air getting Biggie Poppins up here and I've got
Joey as well. I need to make sure I get this stuff on the
back end. Folks, we're having some technical difficulties
literally every single day on this app. So apologies about
that. We are joined by Remo's World. We are going to get to
that. We had Utopia in yesterday. Goblin's is minting
now. So I need to be following that. That was going to be one
that I was just going to wait and see on. Obviously, we got
the the quick exchange 0% royalties. Can't wait to have
a question here with you gift that I'm sure you're ecstatic
about quick exchange launching on the network. Oh, yeah, man.
So good. So excited. Alright, we got count gift that in here
today. I'm going to attempt to bring Biggie Poppins up up on
stage. Joey just welcome to the the meth that is this show in
spaces. I have no idea what the situation is. It wouldn't be in
spaces if it all ran smoothly, my friend. It's it needs an
upgrade. Oh, that's that's an understatement. How are you doing
other than dealing with these rug spaces? Biggie, I'm
attempting to bring you up on stage, but it's not allowing me
to. So this is a speaker.
At least they let you do like a little feedback thing now.
Like, were you having issues with your spaces?
Could you listen to this speaker? I wonder who looks at
Grock. I'm glad we have you up on stage. It's just grock.
Alright, here's what we're going to do folks. We're going to do a hard reset. I'm
sure there's going to be people that tune in afterwards. I see you
beatbacks. We'll get you up here in just a moment. I'm going to do a
super hard reset of this room. Biggie, do you want to play like 10
seconds of music and then I'll bring us back in? Just get me rolling, dude.
Alright, let's see what I got for you here.
We're all in it together, folks. Got Elon to thank.
We're fighting the good fight.
This is me serenading Twitter.
X. Whatever it's going to be called once this thing is dead.
Alright, good morning. Good evening. Good night.
Hopefully, my voice is coming through loud and clear. We have Remo's World on
the show today but we have a lot more updates to get to up here at the front
of the episode. Say V2. Some extremely positive news
coming out of the Say team. They were teasing out some
announcements saying, hey, we got something on the way and
nobody really knew what they were talking about, of course, and
then they start dropping these announcements. So we got Say V2. I'll
get those topics posted up there in the Xbox
relatively shortly here. If I am rugged, just give me the old thumbs down,
everybody in the audience. So I know if you just hear absolute silence,
it's going to be, again, something we got to work through,
but happy to be joined up here by Biggie Poppins and Gift Dead
every single day. If you stay through that rug process,
especially Joey, I appreciate you doing that. I know that it's not the
prettiest sounding thing when that's going on, but if you stay
through that, you're a fucking champ. I appreciate you guys joining us here
today. Again, we do these 11 a.m. every day throughout the week. So
Biggie, if you have anything before we get started, I do want to get to these
Say V2 updates as well as Quick Market. That's going to be on the top of
the list. If you have any thoughts here in the audience, you want to drop them
in the replies or you want to hop up on stage,
I got you. I just wanted to remind everybody that, yes, you can use the
thumbs down emote if we're rugged, if you can't
hear anything, but also feel free to use it very
liberally whenever you disagree with anything that Q is saying.
No, it's very true. I thought you were going to go the quick exchange route
with that one, but it makes sense that I that you guys should be thumbs downing
the host up here. So I totally get that. GMD, sir.
We're going to figure this out one day, I promise you. It's going to feel like the smoothest thing I have.
I am saving all my rage for quick exchange, so don't you worry.
I am remaining positive, centered in my lane, moisturized,
thriving. This will not derail me. Okay, I love it, dude. Joey, I know we
kind of glossed over getting you a GM. I appreciate your
sentiment, though, on the on the ruggedness, but how are you doing today, sir?
I'm very well, sir. Busy in the studio, attached to Discord,
and just did some grocery shopping with my wife and son.
So I've come from the IRL into the Web3 space to be joined by you guys today.
All right, welcome to The Matrix.
Did you have something, Biggie? No, I think that's really cool. I wanted to ask you, like, there's
usually like a transition for me when I do that, right? Like I'm out in the world like a normal
human being, and then I come down and sit down in front of my computer. And it's like I like it
really starts feeling like, you know, like Blade Runner or something like that, where you're just
like coming into a different world. That that's all I wanted to say. The transition from IRL
to Web3 is is real. All right. Yeah, I believe it, man. It's tough to even talk to people on
public after just staring at a screen for a while. So I feel that is not all right.
So here's what we're doing. I wanted to give a quick thanks to Utopia who came into the show
yesterday. We're doing that giveaway. Again, guys, give me 48 hours. We're doing that giveaway for
their whitelist spots here on or after this show. So I appreciate everybody that tuned in
and took part in that giveaway of the people that are kind of just like flaming me for not
getting them done. I don't know about y'all, but I appreciate the ones that did take part in that.
But goblins is minting. Now I'm watching the mint pages we speak. So it's in OG for another 45
minutes. 662 have been minted so far. It was it was a little much for me. I don't know if you guys
are paying attention to this one, but 6666 was the supply on this one for 66 say. So they were
playing off that meme felt like a little bit much to be asking right now, just based on where the
timeline is. Are any of you guys looking at goblins or do you have any thoughts about goblins
as they just started their mint process now? And if not, I'm not the biggest fan of this
type of artwork, to be honest. I know there's people out there. There are, to me, like goblins
are like, you know, in movies, like you always need that cannon fodder, those things that you just
like kill and like, it doesn't matter. Like those are goblins to me, you know, think Lord of the
Rings and stuff like that. So I'm not too attracted to them. Honestly, though, I'm not familiar with
what they're actually building. Maybe it has some utility or not, but not drawn to them initially.
And I came in, I think too late for the for the whitelist access. That's fair. I mean, give that
talk a lot on NFT live about how hard it is to pull off 3D art. I think they did okay. I just
think the distribution was a little off on this one. But I think they did okay on the art and
what they've been kind of leaking out from their their kind of animation studio. All right,
BeepEx, I see you up on stage. Nice to have you in. We do have BeepEx as an official guest here
on Thursday. But happy to have you up on stage. How are you doing? Hey, I'm doing well. Thanks
for having me up here. Of course. Yeah, we were talking about a couple major topics here in the
ecosystem in just a moment. So yeah, feel free to jump in and kind of add your two cents. I know
you're building here in the ecosystem. You have a C404 that's launching relatively soon. I don't
have the date specifically, I'm sure. When is that date actually? Yeah, so we're aiming for the 18th,
which is this Sunday for us. And yeah, pretty much what we're doing is we're bringing the
ESC 404 from Ethereum Pandora, translating it into Cosmwasm, which makes the CW 404.
And we plan on bringing that to the same ecosystem. So and then on top of that, we'll create tools
like Lighthouse for developers to seamlessly integrate hybrid NFTs, so to say. For those of
you who are not too sure about what CW 404 or ESC 404 is about, pretty much what Pandora has done
is they have fractionalized NFTs. So what that means is it's like how Uniswap changed the whole
game for like ESC 20 tokens back in the days when there's only audiobook liquidity for tokens.
Now NFTs will be able to participate in liquidity pools. So you'll be able to swap your NFTs like
a memcoin. And every one token that you own, you also have NFT pairing with it.
I'm excited to have this conversation on Thursday, man. And I definitely like we've been getting
involved in the ERC 404 discussion. Some of them have been a little rough, I'll tell you on my
wallet. But yeah, we've definitely been getting our hands dirty on chains like Base and as well
as Ethereum on the 404 side. So I'm excited to have that combo on Thursday, man. We do have
only an hour to kind of pack in all the information. So let's definitely do a deep dive here on
Thursday. But I appreciate you up here on stage. All right, Remo's World is in the house. We got a
ton of folks. I want to give a shout out to Ellie here, who also made a comment saying here for the
good times, good vibes. I appreciate this show. Shout out to all the Remo's World that are coming
through. You guys have a really strong community, Joey, really strong engagement that I saw on all
of our posts. So we'll get to what you guys are building here, probably in the next 12 minutes.
But let's jump into the big kind of ecosystem story of the day. And let's say, launching their
EVM. You've probably seen a lot of posts here from the team, as well as the main account and also
other people in the industry. But I posted a couple other folks up top. So I've got Philip's
post right in front of me. He's basically saying, say v2 public DevNet is live, marking significant
milestone in blockchain tech as the first high performance parallelized Ethereum virtual machine
blockchain. A couple things he's talking about here. So he's looking at twin turbo consensus,
optimistic parallelization, say DB, which I think is definitely one of the bigger parts of this as
well as the fourth update, which is interoperable EVM, enabling seamless deployment of existing
Ethereum applications, toolings, infra, to say without any modifications, while leveraging say's
high performance enhancements. So yeah, that's a lot of Dev Heavy talk there. If you guys
maybe are, if we have any devs in the audience, I'd love to talk to you guys if you want to
hop up on stage. But yeah, say v2, this is the thing that we've all been waiting for. This is
obviously a DevNet. There have been some projects that have gone live, I'll get those posted up top
so that we can already be interacting with them right on the DevNet. But yeah, this gets us closer
to v2 and mainnet here. I think one of the guesses is potentially at the start of Q2. So maybe around
that April timeframe, we get a public mainnet, but this is another step in that direction. So
I'll open it up to the floor here. What are your thoughts on this public DevNet release and just
I can't wait to start playing around with it. I claimed some testnet say from the faucet
yesterday. And I've been seeing a couple of platforms already running on it, right? Like
on the on the DevNet. I think when this guy is a gamble, you know, I think I saw Philip post about
it. But it's exciting, man. I'm recently just like a like I've told you, like been trying to catch up
on, you know, on as much information as I can on say, right. So I've been listening to a lot of
interviews with the founders and like trying to wrap my head around the technical, you know,
differences between, you know, say and other paralyzed chains and and and paralyzed EVMs.
Right. And I it's it's mind blowing to me that we're up here. We're on testnet already, right?
Like it's going to be really exciting to to try some of these dApps that are being built upon,
you know, at the moment and and see, you know, how fast we can get to to live net, you know,
it's going to be good. I mean, we haven't seen this type of shipping and with other protocols, right?
Yeah, I mean, they're obviously first to market with this parallelized
information and kind of tech updates. So definitely exciting to see them move forward.
I don't think we, you know, saw DevNet incoming here. Again, the team was teasing out that
something was coming this week, but to get this DevNet launched now and Biggie, I know you said
you actually claim some tokens from the faucet. It might be tough, you know, on your setup,
but if you can try to link out or at least send me some type of link. Yeah, I'll put it to you
telegram because I don't want to touch this freaking app. God forbid.
Alright, I love it, man. Okay, I mean, there's not much else to get into. I did post two of
the projects that are live on V2 DevNet now that is going to be camel finance. So the more the
DeFi focused project there as well as Gambino, which I have not taken it, you know, a look at,
but I'm assuming that's going to be one of those casino gambling apps. So yeah, I mean, other than
just getting that out, that's a huge narrative boost to I think a wave that we were already
riding on say. So people are looking at at us for potential scaling of Ethereum applications,
and this is going to get us there. So give I don't know if you have any last thoughts or
beep or Joey, let me know or we can move on to this next albatross in the room.
Do you guys have any thoughts on on DevNet here?
And if not, that's cool. Oh, go ahead. I guess like one of the use cases is like,
if you're a game, and just like you'd be using L2s for like in game assets,
right? Like, does this does this make say a target for for gaming projects?
That's, that's a tough question. I don't know exactly. I feel like some of this has to do with
the team themselves in the area they want to attack. Clearly, they have a big and thriving
already for a nascent network, PFP community. So that I'm not saying that those can exist
in tandem. But it often seems like if what we're seeing on something like a polygon,
is the team is actively saying, Okay, this is where we want to attack. Like we would,
and I know they did, they tried to do gaming, they've since pulled back to maybe a more
enterprise level blockchain kind of mission. But I do feel like the way that we cover these chains,
man, it's it's more, what is the team essentially want? I know that this a lot of other stuff kind
of comes out naturally and organically through the community. But it feels like, Hey, what does
the team want to accomplish here? And, and I do think gaming is part of that. I think they'd be
foolish to kind of not look at gaming and say there's an opportunity there, especially with the
the scalable nature of the chain. All right, we're gonna move on. I mentioned the albatross,
it's like it's more more of a pink elephant in the room, maybe a red elephant. So this is say what
in the morning, we do these 11am Eastern. I'm joined here by fantastic co host Biggie Poppins
gift dead. We host three different shows at this point on the web3 network. We do GM web3 right
after this, which is where we'll be hopping to at the top of the hour. And then we host NFT live over
on YouTube at 1pm Eastern. We do that every day. So these guys are getting after it. They're
grinding. I appreciate them very much. But yes, say what in the morning, this is episode 14. So
to the launch, it's been a fantastic time covering the ecosystem. You guys have supported
the show very much. So I see your guys's replies. And they do mean a ton as we try to, to honestly,
like, have a bigger voice in the ecosystem. And that's part of the conversation that's going to
come up here when we talk about quick exchange. I do want to give a brief shout out to some folks
in the comments that are also kind of, you know, making their voices known. I mean, how will that
hop up on stage, man? I'd love to hear your takes. One of your threads is what I'm going to pin up
here in the Xbox as we go through this quick exchange conversation. But Keri Ross, Fiat Fire,
Dayton, Halo, A1, Nox Darkness, Polka, I can't get to all of you. I'm sorry. Florida Steelers fan,
Tojo. I see you guys and a lot of regulars as well that are here supporting the show.
Thank you guys so much. All right. Remo's World, we are going to jump into after this combo,
but let's just do it. There was a stealth announcement from quick exchange yesterday,
basically saying we are here. Hello, we are quick, literally the in quotations post that they had
about 22 hours ago, quick is an advanced NFT marketplace built in stealth and live on save
right now with all the features that the Saiyans have been asking for and deserve. Let's unfold the
future of NFT trading on say one feature at a time. So if you've been living under a rock,
essentially a blur clone has popped up here on the SAE network. And there are a bunch of different
features that I think we all have been asking for. Right. We would love to see bids and a lot of these
other features, the portfolio tracking. I mean, there's a ton of different features that
quick exchanges launch here that is really, really dope. But the number one feature that they start
off with is optional royalties. And that in and of itself is just an atomic bomb thrown
in the room. It literally is one of the things that is the most hot conversations on Ethereum
in what blur, you know, pseudo-caused on Ethereum, which is kind of the lack of support for creators,
the lack of support for things like Freemence. And there's a whole conversation we had here.
I've got an awesome group of co-hosts up here that want to have this conversation. Of course,
and one of the things I will say from the very beginning, we've been talking about the nature
of what we're building on SAE right now and the collaborative nature and how early it is in that
it's awesome to have people like us and Halibut and Mills. I'll give another shout out to so many
different folks kind of voicing their opinion very strongly and openly. And you saw the immediate
blowback from all of these folks. And I think, you know, based on some of the quick exchanges
post today, you might have seen an immediate response and maybe a defense here for royalties.
So it's a very nuanced conversation. I'll open it up to the floor,
your guys' thoughts here on Quick Exchange and what this means for SAE right now.
I think, well, my initial reaction when I first saw the post, I think you and I were having a chat
queue and I was pretty excited. My mind, you know, initially, I usually try to open the door to
strangers and be kind and welcoming. Obviously, as time passed and we were able to look at
the fine detail of it, it was very disappointing to see. I think initially, first, my reaction was
I don't want to reward lazy building in this space, which is very much what this seems like, right?
Copy pasta, port it over here, and that's it. Having said that, then even more alarming details
came out, right? And, you know, to me, taking, you know, when you take custody of somebody's assets,
you should prominently display that and let it be known. The fact that they didn't do that,
I found even more alarming. And then just the stance on royalties, right? And like the
situation that we find ourselves in a nascent ecosystem, like SAE, it doesn't leave a good
taste in one's mouth, right? To me, my initial reaction was just to block them. And I hope other
people do the same. I think, you know, you have really competent builders that really love this
space with like, you know, really strong communities. And, you know, we have a chance
to do things better here, right? Like we've seen this movie before in other ecosystems,
and we see what, you know, a pain or an uphill battle it is to try to restore balance, right?
We see, you know, Magic Eden trying to fight the good fight there and trying to restore some
royalties to as many projects as it can. We'll see how that fares. But, you know, for us,
and we've said it here in this channel a lot, like, I think many of the reasons why
a lot of us enjoy SAE is that you do have a really nice blend between the infrastructure
of Solana, the Solana experience with the culture of Ethereum, and just people that have
been around for a while, right, and are trying to do things differently. So those are the people
that I want to, you know, lift up and encourage and double down on. I, you know, there's just
too many things about this product and the approach that was taken since launch that seems
unkind, you know, unconsiderate, inconsiderate than just also lazy building, really, like,
I'm not for that. So I'd encourage everybody else to do the same, block them. I mean,
you're going to have plenty of more opportunities and market spaces, but whatever short term
benefits you would be to get from not paying royalties, we really know how that ends long term
and it's not good for anybody. Yeah, it's raised to zero 2.0, like Jawa said. So yeah, it's shit.
So Joey, you guys are building in the ecosystem. How does this affect you?
To be honest, it was expected. And now I've had an evening to dwell on it. When it first came out,
I must admit, I was very angry. I was in the sake of our chat, like we need to speak to a dev.
How do we block our collection from being listed on here, putting announcements out in the Remos
World Discord to ensure that people were being safe, don't connect your wallet until we know
what's going on. The docs aren't available on their website. So there was a lot of anger there
as a creator. But then in hindsight, when I've had an evening to think about it, you have to remember
that where liquidity is flowing in this space, whichever chain we're on, is to be expected.
But the difference between the blur community and the eth community, compared to quick and
the sei community, is the level at which the sei community came together, both collectors
and creators, to protest and stand in unified against something like that blew my mind.
Whereas the eth collectors were really happy that blur came about. And as a veteran in the space,
having dropped on BTC and eth and sold my artwork mainly on Ethereum to date,
it's ruined a lot of projects. Fortunately for myself, building an IP brand, I've never really
relied heavily on my royalties. I've never generated a huge income from my projects. It's
been a labour of love. But on the outside, I've seen other projects crumble because of the reliance
on royalties. So for myself, building an IP project, it comes from a labour of love, personal savings,
the royalties are a cherry on the cake, if anything. I'm building IRL products that have
a secondary revenue stream for myself, have angel investors coming on board within the next couple
of months to ensure that the IRL products are shipped with high quality to IRL people,
not necessarily the web3 collectors. And that's how I plan to grow. And I've learned my lesson
dropping an eth collection, knowing not to rely on royalties as my only revenue stream.
But for the people who've just dropped on say as a new collection, as a new team, as new founders,
and they relied heavily on that for their building, for their community growth, for project
development, those royalties mean everything. And for them to come in so rapidly, and for say
network to sort of back that, I found it quite it's a kick in the teeth really for creators in
say, but I don't think they're going to win. I think they've already conceded by people like
Halliburton lama putting out their posts and spending time on their threads. You know, shout
out to the say cabal as well doing their digging and you got the likes of Halo Halliburton lama,
the bigger voices in the space who stand up for creators like myself in the space. I think it's
incredible the way the say communities come together to protest against it.
Yeah, it's tough to overstate what this could do if the ecosystem does go this way, right? If
everybody goes 0% royalties, if we see the the full move from maybe a palette, although they've
come out and already done the promo or the kind of posting about hey, we were going to enforce
royalties here. But if at this stage, this would be extremely detrimental to whatever
everybody's building here. And so it definitely has been awesome to see that the larger voices
kind of come up and speak out against it. And the one thing I will say, you mentioned the Ethereum
ecosystem. And that's primarily where we were in the last cycle. That's pretty much where everybody
was. There was some other building going on in different chains. But we were in that mess,
we were in the hurricane that was the royalties discussion in that last cycle. And the one thing
I will say to that is it was almost kind of like the horse was in the gates of Troy a little bit.
The market was going in a different direction at the time. There's a timeline difference here.
Blur was launched primarily at the back end of the last bull and into the bear market. And then
we didn't really as a community know the effects. It was very much the first time that this has
happened. So for those two reasons alone, I don't think the community was ready for any type of
defense or just able to kind of put up a fight. And very much like you're saying, Joey, this has
been the exact opposite experience you've seen on Say right now. We're all kind of saying, hey,
we saw this situation play out on Ethereum, we don't want to see it here. And that's not
an opportunity I think we got on ETH for the reasons that I mentioned. We're going to continue
to stay on this for maybe another five minutes, maybe another 10 and then hop into Remo's
world here, Joey. But I want to open this up to the rest of the group. If you got any comments as
well, like if you don't want to hop up on stage, I know Halibut just said he's busy in writing mode.
But if he gets triggered enough, he'll hop up. So I'm going to do my best to trigger him.
But anyways, hit the reply box if you'd like, folks. Otherwise, Gif, Beep, Biggie Poppins,
also Darren Geeves, nice to have you up on stage as well. GMTU. Guys, if you have any thoughts,
get to it now. Yeah, yeah. I think from my side, we kind of saw it coming because
at the end of the day, it's still a permissionless space and anyone can deploy whatever they want.
And yeah, but what I like saying is that how the Sei community is kind of gathering together,
fighting against this. So I'm really interested to see how this plays out. And I hope it doesn't
really turn out like how it did. But Ethereum and yeah, that would have been too great for communities
and creators. And also, I'm being a bit biased here, but I think that, yeah, see,
the EFC 404 and CW 404 couldn't really change the game here. Where liquidity,
the tokenomics and how the team benefits can all be enforced and yeah.
Are you talking about the LP fees or liquidity fees?
Yeah, that's right. And transaction fees and all that where teams and creators don't have to
really rely on to royalties anymore. And also, teams and creators can have
vested tokens. So it's more aligned with the community and it's more aligned with
the longer term building where teams have to stick around for actually two years for the vested
tokens to actually come out and for them to benefit. It's a great point. 404s obviously have
just kind of spawned and we're still trying to figure out the best ways we go forward. So yeah,
it's a fair point. The other thing I will say is you mentioned vested tokens. That might be a way
initially around this. Teams could hold a portion of their NFTs in some type of vested contract.
It doesn't really help teams that didn't go about this, that did a complete fair distribution,
have none of their NFTs. So it doesn't help projects that have already launched, but projects
now that are potentially launching could hold a portion of the NFTs in the vested contract.
I've got some interesting folks up here on stage. Of course, I have some opinions. Dayton,
Quantum Variant, GMT, y'all. I will read real quick this message from Quick Exchange to Halibut
saying, thanks for your feedback. We are deeply committed to listening to our community and
continuously assessing the impact of our policies. If needed, we will refine our approach to ensure
it serves the best interests of the entire, say, ecosystem. Stay tuned. Dayton and Quantum Variant,
I'll let you guys have the stage off that announcement. How are y'all doing?
What's good, family? Shout out to everybody on stage. Love y'all to death. Listen, man,
I don't understand why we keep having to have the same dispute slash discussion around our
royalties. Like I tweeted out, I'm the type of person I don't like repeating myself more than
one time. And I don't like watching other people do it. And I think that when it comes to royalties,
should there be royalties, I think there's been a resounding yes from the entire Web3 community.
And so I really don't understand why platforms can't get it through their heads that when they
launch, like, yes, people want royalties. I think that there needs to be a standard develop. I don't
and I really don't think that we should keep having to go through having these same fist fights
because, I mean, it slows it slows the space down and it slows down innovation and progression.
And, you know, quite frankly, it's irritating to just keep having to have the same old,
same old discussions every every time something new or, you know, something starts to develop
steam. It's the same old base, new players, same bad actors, right? Same bad action. Should I say?
And, you know, quite frankly, just getting it's getting fucking old, man, you know,
and so that's that's pretty much my the longest short of what I have to say. I just think that
we should, you know, that just needs to be a standard man. And from now on, like, you know,
people come in and like I said, I'm I'm all for supporting new, new developments because I'm
excited to see people bringing new projects to say ecosystem. But if it's done in bad faith,
then we should just they should just be as communicated.
Quantum. Hey, it's same story, different day. When when these tokens stand, I was excited
about say, because it seemed like, you know what, they could they could rip the Band-Aid off and
start new. Right. And they started their own. It's not a 721. It's not a 1155. It's a completely
different blockchain. And they could build these things in to the tokens. And I think
where everybody like it doesn't have to be like, quote unquote, royalties, but it does have to be
that we are part of the system. We get just like if you are a trader, you get rewarded for trading,
the platforms have their royalties built in 2.5%, whatever, right? We know that everybody needs to
make money, but the artists get screwed. Right. And we we get lambasted. If we want to get any
royalties, we get told that we shouldn't have to have them. We get told that, well, I don't have
to pay them because the network doesn't have them as a standard. And that's just not in the ethos
of the space. We're all supposed to benefit from this, you know, and if we're not all benefiting
and one class of people is being taken advantage of and and it's extracted from them, yet everybody
else is able to make, you know, funds, you know, from in perpetuity. You know, if a project if the
artwork isn't good and it doesn't flip, well, of course, you're not going to get royalties. But if
the artwork is good and it does flip, why isn't the artist part of the economic system that helps
build that? Right. And I have like, in these discussions need to happen before the token
standards come out. Right. And we're never involved in what the token standards are, or haven't been.
And it's just we're going to see this repeat over and over again. We need to be part of the
financial system. We need a creator alliance. Yeah. Or something. I mean, look, we're seeing
that play out on the magic Eden level, right? Magic Eden is essentially getting all of these
partners together to launch some type of royalty enforcement at the marketplace level. I don't think
they're going to come out with any type of new standard there where they're baking into the
contract. I think it's going to be marketplace level. And that's going to be launched on the
27th. And that's on Ethereum. All right, guys, we have, I would say, 20 minutes left in this
episode. I definitely want to get to jumping into remos and everything they're building. We have
three folks up on stage with our hands raised. So I'm going to go in order. So Divas, Heathen,
and then Saepax. Definitely give me your thoughts here.
Hey, what's up? If the queue, actually, I was talking to Waybump the other day about
some kind of alliance. So yeah, more on that later. But I actually wanted to piggyback on
Dayton and Quantum's, what you were saying, just two things about royalties. The first is the
business side, that it definitely attracts people and makes them creators to create more.
But it also attracts them. That's part of the rule of say that we do have royalties here.
So when I was on Ethereum mainnet, not only the fees were outrageous, but also
creators got shafted with the of their fees of royalties. And now we can get that on say. So
that's a competitive advantage we have on say to attract people and creators to the network.
And then on the other side, to Quantum's point is that it is social contract, royalties are social
contract. Although it might not be legal contract, but at least when you're buying or minting an NFT,
you know that there is a royalty. So it's not up to you to decide whether you pay or not.
You have already agreed to pay when you buy it or you mint it. Of course, if you don't want that,
then you can mint or buy an NFT that doesn't have royalties. But it's not for the marketplaces
to say, oh, we don't pay this guy because we don't feel like it. So those are my two points I wanted
to make. All great. Listen, I'm trying to get everybody in here. Everybody is making fantastic
points. And I appreciate the insight from from each one of you. So, Ethan, please hop up here.
You can let you can let Joey cook so he can get his thing off. And I can say something at the end
if there's time. All right, well, then I'll speak because Joey's just so nice and so handsome. So
anybody who's trying to take any money from artists is a pure cuck at the highest level.
Quick exchange should be called cuck exchange because it's dog shit. And it's pointless,
right? So anyone who disagrees on the royalty sentiment has either a never started a business
because that's what this is at the end of the day, or ever created shit,
probably because they're just not creative or have zero talent, right? So
don't take shit away from people making shit, period. Second,
I'm just throwing this out there. If you want to see some weird stuff just because of everything's
going, go check out some sweeping activity on Pallet on one of the top collections. Halo is pointing
out some really weird stuff. But yeah, give artists their royalties and stop jumping in to say
because it's the new hot thing and you just got here a month ago and you want to try to dictate
the market because you'll get absolutely clapped and I'll jump up on every stage and absolutely
flame you. Hey, what's up guys? Apex Finance here. Appreciate accepting the request to speak.
I'm the guy with the unpopular opinion. I'm going to come and I'm going to say it. I come with the
opinion that royalties should be enforced at the smart contract level by the creators themselves.
They should implement these standards into their contract so they can enforce their royalties
at the technical, at the programmatic, and at the smart contract blockchain level.
If your technical standard allows users to bypass the royalties, that is your fault and that is
you relying on a protocol and a standard that does not fulfill your technical requirement for
your use case. So what is this market doing? I believe it's causing technical development.
It's causing people to see the shortcomings in technology and see where they can improve
and become the creators they say they are. You're not just an artist. You're in the blockchain.
You're an artist and a builder. You need to take the art, put it with the code, and make that code
work for you. So if the royalties are being bypassed, it's not a problem. It just signifies there has
to be a better solution. So what does this tell everybody? It just means a little bit of work needs
to be done to improve the technology you sow, tout, and believe in. If you really think these
NFTs and these JPEGs are great, make sure the technology that supports them is great too.
Otherwise, we're going to be sitting here crying about quick when the problem is not quick.
It's the standard. If the royalties are built into a contract, you can bypass them.
What's the problem? Just make a new one. That's the solution that I'm looking at.
The point being, though, is that it's not the royalties that are the problem. It's the fact
that we're forgetting that we're here for blockchain. If you remove the blockchain from
the blockchain, then what are we here for? Let's just go sell JPEGs on Discord. I'll make a Discord
and we'll just sell JPEGs there, and that's quick exchange. Let's just go sell stuff on eBay and
send them to each other in the mail, because what's the difference at this point? We want
to continue using blockchain and all the features that make it great. Otherwise, we're just going to
be selling pictures to each other, and that's not what we want to do. We want to keep the liquidity
within the market. We want to use this to bootstrap funds. We want to sell these pictures for the mint
price and then build something beautiful right behind it, and then the royalties are just going
to be that icing on the cake. It's not meant to just enrich you forever and then give nothing
back to the community. That's not the fair way. That's not the right way. That's like the opposite
of what we want to do. We all claim, like, yo, we want these JPEGs, but every time somebody makes
a great JPEG, it's like two months down the line. Where's the owner of the JPEG? The guy who made
this thing is gone. He's got $2 million on another chain and a Bali Villa. That's not what we want,
guys. We really know what we want. Luckily, there's a group of devs rebuilding this standard contract
to force royalties, and that's another reason why a lot of projects now and a lot of people are
trying to push people to go through the cabal AMAs because they get absolutely
flamed if they get on stage, so they have to prove at this point that they're making things.
Otherwise, your project's going to not mint out and your supply is going to keep getting cut,
which is what's happening 90% of the time. A few things up here, fellas, and we do have
Halibut as well on stage, so I definitely want to get his take here. Sapex, I got
rubbed in the middle of both of your takes, but I heard them. I wasn't able to respond,
but you guys are dropping some knowledge here. I will say, Sapex, your posts went
semi-viral about the functionality of this exchange. My take was essentially, it doesn't
act that different from Blur, and that obviously is the largest volume exchange over there on
Ethereum, one that we're comfortable interacting with or semi-comfortable, at least the community
is based on the numbers that I'm seeing. I just wanted to make sure and get your answer up here
on stage. Quick exchange does not really function that different from how you give up control on a
platform like Blur, correct? No, they function exactly the same. In fact, that's what Say
Network was doing when they made the post revealing their release, and they said people
should be familiar with the UI, devs that are astute would know what it is, and yeah, it's just
it's Blur. They literally copied Blur. It's probably the Blur team, or maybe a part of it,
that forked over the code, just redid it for Say, and then now we've got Blur on Say.
What the problem was that everybody pointed out, remember, Blur was started by Paradigm.
Why did we give them so much trust? Because they were so, they were trustable. Who are these guys?
They came out of stealth. The three guys who made their Twitter accounts yesterday. Come on,
we're going to trust them with full total access and control over our stuff? They've been DDoSed
from here to Kansas. When this thing really does go down, what are you guys going to do
with your listings? That's when it's going to be crying. The Paradigm piece is so interesting
because both of these situations, again, I use that Troy reference where the horse is already in.
They're trying it again. They're trying to get in the walls here before we have a chance to defend
ourselves. Luckily, we have folks like Halibut who's sitting up here now and has his hand raised,
so I'll let him come in here and speak his mind on this subject.
Yo, guys, I'll make this quick. I really didn't want to speak tonight, but I do agree with everyone
here. I do agree that royalty should be enforced on the smart contract level, but we're so fucking
new. This is our first day with a bidding feature. I do want to fix that, but I want to fix things
now. I want to get these free mints that are building like Saiyans and all that. I want to
get them their money. I don't want anyone trading on quick. I mean, these are people working hard,
and who the fuck are you quick? So I am in discussion with the founder, and they are trying
to offer an alternative, but it's still not the alternative that we're looking for. You guys can
check Nix's post about that. It sounds like a whole lot of bullshit right now, and I'm going to
say it. I'm speaking for the people here, but I fucking love the Sai Network team. I fucking love
everyone there, but where did quick come from? I mean, they had 100 followers until some Sai
Network team members started retweeting their shit and replying to their shit, and I think that gives
us the biggest question mark, because I haven't seen these people tweet more about enough about
pallet, enough about market, and they're out here shilling this shit. So, you know, no one's safe
here. I mean, if you're a little shady, I will call you out. We will all call you out, and I
really am annoyed because the founder, when I was talking to him, he was like, I don't like the
feeling that founders are making six to seven figures on paid mints and then chilling with
royalties and getting all that royalties. But then again, I mean, like, this space is so smart.
Copies barely minted out. Rabbits barely minted out. Kryptonite finance, you know, sucked dick.
So, this space is smart enough. Like, who are they to police? I mean, this is what we're here
for. I mean, we're educating you for this reason. So, end of the day, I mean, the power is really
within us. And, you know, we're going to call out everyone we see. You know, of course, listen to
what they have to say, but we're going to call out everyone we see. So, pay your royalties. And,
you know, if you have an opposing opinion, you know, you're just a cuck, bro. So, just let me know.
Anyone, if anyone wants to discuss, tag me. I mean, let's talk. But yeah, pay your royalties and
don't be a cuck. I'm trying to appreciate the soundboard there. I'm trying to put myself into
the shoes of somebody who's going to be on the other side of this argument. And the only thing
I can think of is that it's going to bring more volume into the space. And from the team's
perspective, they have to stay a little bit more neutral on the NFT versus DeFi trader side. And
that feels like the only kind of devil's advocate to what everybody is basically talking about up
here is that say network needs to be a network that fosters both the NFT side and the DeFi side,
which includes folks that are bringing liquidity for volume trading, what have you, and that don't
necessarily care about the things that we're talking about. And then also that these 0%
royalties are going to drive actual interest and money from the outside to come in to say,
does anybody have any thoughts on that specific argument or if there's another one?
You can incentivize traders without throwing creators under the bus. Like there's different
ways to go about incentivizing traders without going all the way to one side. And again,
completely throwing creators under the bus to have a healthy sustainable ecosystem.
You have to have a balance. You have to still have the creators incentivized as well. And for
some reason, everybody just forgets that builders and creators are the heart of this whole fucking
movement. And they're always the first ones to get thrown under the bus. Even though, yes,
you need traders. We all know you need liquidity, but dude, there's ways to incentivize traders
without cutting creators and builders out from capturing the value, part of the value that they
create. Great take, Heathen. Yeah. And the other thing too, if you're going to say no royalties,
then also take away your 2% fee because you don't need it either, right? So at the end of the day,
we obviously had to grow the contract and have it to where it does force, which
none of us who've been here since say testnet, even before mainnet launch, and even during
mainnet, we're expecting the NFT market to grow to the place it was. I mean, I was sweeping
ants for 20% and I thought it was all free at that point. So like that's getting there,
but things have just kind of grown the last two months and them coming in just shows that they're
brand new and they're just trying to hop on the wave because they understand zero about the market
and the people in it. And the people who have been here and the people who are about it
are just not going to use it. So if you're going to say no royalties or even optional, then we get
the option to not pay your fee. That also seems to be the answer that Halibut is getting at. I
think Nick's post was basically that the community, like their response to this is that they're going
to let the community decide which collections get to be royalty enforced. That's at least what
I've been hearing. Saepak's last thought on this. Also folks, we do these daily spaces at 11 a.m.
Eastern. So say what is on its 14th episode here. I host these. I'm up there in the top left corner,
the cream on cream with the orange beanie Nifty Q. I also am joined by my co-host Biggie Poppins
and Gifted here again Monday through Friday at 11 a.m. Eastern. Appreciate y'all supporting
the show today by replying there in the reply box as well as just showing some love in general.
We've been having a great time building this show out and being a part of the say ecosystem. But I
am jumping off this Web3 network because we do have GM Web3 right after this. So Gifted covers
more of the multi-chain aspect and just kind of the entire ecosystem of Web3 there on GM Web3. So
we're going to be hopping out of there. We'll be here for another about I would say 10 minutes. I
definitely want to get Remo's World here in and to kind of talk about honestly how creators are
looking at this ecosystem now that we're dealing with this. But Saepak's last thoughts here, man.
And then we will toss it over to Joey. Yeah, I just I wanted to mention like we're still not
at the point yet, but you guys know taxes on tokens, you know, tax functionalities. They don't
exist right now within within the ecosystem. So right now I see royalties enforced through
Lighthouse. Like people will try to enforce taxes on tokens through like coinhole, even though you
registered the token through your own contract and it's through Astra report that you're doing
the trade. So the concept that I'm trying to place here is that if we want royalties and we want
taxes, we've got to build them right into the contracts for CW 20 or CW 721. And then we can
enforce contracts, taxes and royalties at the at the protocol level. And that's something that
we're going to see pretty soon. I hope you guys don't get mad when you see tokens with taxes
on say so that's coming like tomorrow, probably. So just be aware. Saepak, how does that work with
just Trenton? So now I can't even transfer between two wallets. Essentially, if maybe
I'm just doing a transfer between myself, I've got to pay taxes on that transfer.
Yeah, so the way that taxes work at the remember that that everything that you're doing right now
is handled by a factory contract. So Lighthouse handles transfers on behalf of the CW 721
contract. CW 20 doesn't work exactly that way, but sort of does. But the idea is that your balances
on both are stored on a database in the contract, they never really leave the contract. So you can
modify the state of the contract without really doing much else. So the idea is is that the factory
doesn't maintain the state that the actual protocol, you know, contract does. So you can
constantly be doing stuff on the contract directly, which is why you can bypass the royalties. If
they're enforced by Lighthouse, all you're going to do is skip Lighthouse, go straight to the other
contract, and you can do transfers direct user to user instead of using batch bids. So that's the
way they bypass the royalties. Is this okay? I mean, shit, it's fine. It's technically allowed
in the code. So why not? Can you fix it? Yeah, just write some more code. All right, y'all,
fantastic conversation here on quick exchange launch. We did see some positive news save v2,
obviously with the announcement that it's DevNet is live. So we saw some positivity here to battle
this 0% royalty discussion. I appreciate everybody that hopped up here today. Literally every single
guy up here and person in the ecosystem, given their thoughts and having their voice be heard.
It's one of the reasons why we're able to see the quick response, you know, by quick exchange and
kind of understanding that holy shit, we need to maybe change our policy, the community is
completely kind of against this. So I just want to give some flowers here, how of it. Let's see,
heathen, say pecs, biggie, daring, and just everybody up here on stage that's voiced their
support for this, this kind of response has been seen. So yeah, really great, really great work,
guys. So Joey, I'm going to transition it to you. Let's talk Remo's world to close out the episode.
Just from I mean, let's do a smoother transition. I know I asked you this initially,
but I'll give you the last thoughts here, just as a builder,
you know, in the say ecosystem, how do you think this goes forward? Are you going to be
just moving a collection to a certain exchange? Or how do you foresee this kind of playing out?
To be honest, I can't build a project and let this sort of thing affect me. As I said,
Remo's world, it was never hard coded into my roadmap or strategy to rely wholeheartedly on
royalties. That's just the icing on the cake for me. It's not generating a huge amount in secondary
volume, purely because I'd rather have diamond handers. And if you're relying on royalties,
it means people are selling. I would rather have a small community of collectors that are
holding 50 to 150 Remos and we all make it together. But everybody's strategy is different.
You know, we were a free mint. But like I said earlier, my revenue strategy is not to rely
wholeheartedly and heavily on royalties, because I've learned in the past that you can't do that
for a project that relies on people trading that relies on liquidity in the space. And I'd much
rather grow my brand. It's an IP brand. It's not a tech brand. We're growing outside of the Web3
space to give people a physical product with a digital experience. So that doesn't need Web3.
That needs people in the real world to buy my products and then come into Web3. We're an
onboarding community. We're not just recycling existing collectors in the space. They are the
heart and soul and foundation of the brand I'm building. But outside of Remo's world, we're
looking to IRL onboard people into the crypto space without even knowing they're doing it.
All right, Joe, you seem to have a really connected and really awesome community that
you have a foundation for here, because I'm getting absolutely flame that we went this long
without talking about Remo's and that we spend a lot of time there on the happenings here in the
ecosystem. I do feel like it affects everybody. So I will defend myself here. But I want to know,
just kind of the backstory here on Remo's and then what you guys are doing today and what the
plan is going forward, man. Let's just dive in. Yeah, I'll make it as quick and swift as well.
Quick. That's a word I want to eradicate from my lingo now. But I'll make it as swift as possible
with as much information as possible. But Remo was basically created to entertain my son through
bedtime stories. And then it quickly became evident that it was a brand that could be
attractive to both big kids like myself and you guys, collectors and your kids, too, if you have
them. As a dad, I've never come across a brand that I want to rock with my son. I'm not going to
wear cocoa melon hats or bluey pyjamas. But with Remo, the IP is done in a way in which we can
attract both adults and the hearts of children as well. So as well as dope merchandise, IRL,
art events that I host around the world of London, Miami, we have all coming up in London in April,
I just put the video out today, Miami Dubai, Thailand, and that will be for the adults.
And then for kids, we've got a collection of plushies, kids books, an ebook platform,
which is going to be free for adults to sign up to show their children. I know a lot of parents who
don't have necessarily the confidence to read to their children at nighttime and
electronic ebooks and narration from people who are confident reading is actually a
steadily growing form of bedtime stories for children. So that will be in the pipeline,
already is in the pipeline that will be releasing in the next couple of months.
An edutainment YouTube channel, which will involve Remo as a animated character for the parents who
are in the audience, you'll understand the importance of sticking on a YouTube video
that is half educational and half annoying. You'll notice that there's a lot of revenue
that comes from ads on YouTube with a popular video like Baby Shark. Over the last seven years,
it's garnered 13 billion views and generated $124 million in ad revenue. So the goal is to
obviously generate revenue into the Remo ecosystem through YouTube as well and attract the children,
which then leads on to clothing, pajamas, kids plushies, kids toys. And the goal for me
eventually is to be one of the most recognized IP brands in the world for both adults and children.
I'm interested in how you're looking at the holder utility. And again, I have a bunch of
posts up on stage. Biggie, if you want to hop in here and ask Joey any questions, feel free.
We've seen kind of a discussion around, you know, physical collectibles and a couple
other things that Pudgy Penguins is doing be at the heart of the discussion around holder utility.
So I'm interested in how you think about maybe what's going on within your community. Again,
clearly you have a pretty rabid fan base and community there. But how do you look at
the holder utility benefiting these physical objects and just your business model?
So with the ETH collection that dropped last June, I've been rewarding all of the holders on
ETH, a free digital collectible every month. It's a gamified burn to redeem mechanism where
I'll release a toy and another toy. And if they buy both of them, sorry, if they mint both of them
plus gas, it's a free toy, but they obviously have to pay to get hit with the gas fees.
They can burn both of them or we do different combinations in which they can burn and redeem
the limited edition toy. And that's the one way of encouraging free rewards and air drops
of my artwork. We've done free, we've done physical toys already for adults. So that's
done through the Remo's World Shop, but they're done in limited drops. I am a one man band artist
wise. So you are buying a piece of artwork from myself. They're all hand sanded, varnished and
customized, signed, certified and sent to the buyer. The first 10 physical toys sold out already.
And then the next truck will be coming in a couple of months for ETH holders.
So for the SAE network, we obviously dropped as a free to mint project. I didn't want to
come into a new community without having first proven that I can manage and build a community
of my own. So we've onboarded 231 holders from Ethereum and Bitcoin onto the SAE network. They'd
never been on SAE before. We've also attracted the likes of the SAE community as well. So now
we've merged those three communities. SAE will be our final resting home purely because we want to
be rewarding them with free to mint artwork, free to mint toys, much like ETH, but with cost
effective and a fast chain like SAE. That's why we migrated here. I want to open this up.
Heaton, you guys have any questions? Safepacks, any questions for Joey?
Yeah, I'm curious. A pretty simple question regarding like, do you have a content strategy
going forward, right? Like, and how do you plan to, you know, involve Remo in all of this for holders?
Yes, as the IP develops, we'll be doing stealth drops in the coming weeks of merchandise for
holders. These will be either free to free stealth drops with limited edition merchandise or purchase.
The quality is second to none. It's all handmade from manufacturers I use in Peru for previous
merchandise I've done before. These aren't print on demand. It's all done through the Remo's World
website. So these will be for the most engaged community members who are in Discord, who are
turning on notifications. If you miss it, then that's just one of the things, you know, if you
bought Remo's to not be a community member and you bought it to just hold on to and you miss it,
then that's just one of the things you have to face as a holder, we like the most engaged and
the most engaged will be rewarded with those. When the toys become available, they will be
available first to holders, they won't be mass produced, they'll be available exclusively to
holders. But as you know, as you understand, we are a free mint project, we don't generate
heavily on royalties, that was never the plan. And as you can imagine, creating 5555 Remo toys and
giving them away for free, it's just not feasible, feasibly possible, even if you are doing it with
royalties, and you did make money on mint. That's not how businesses run. So as a businessman and
entrepreneur slash artists, they will be for sale at a much cheaper rate than what the public will
get them out. And then as soon as the holders have their hands on them, that will generate the next
bit of revenue to be able to create the next amount of toys, which will then be sold on FBA on Amazon
worldwide. Joey, what the hell is a Remo? And what is phase four?
So Remo is a reproduced extraterrestrial morphing organism. He was designed, as I said, mentioned
for my son, I love to read to my son, but the only entertaining storybook that I've come across
is the Gruffalo, which was written by Julia Donaldson. She's also inspired me to create my
own books and stories for which I can teach my son my moral values and lessons of life that
books and YouTube channels don't teach children nowadays. I think there's a lot of uncalled for
education for children to learn things they shouldn't be learning at a much younger age.
So I want to instill my moral values through stories I tell my son and hopefully a lot of
parents will share my values and and also love the character as much as my son does.
So that's where Remo came from, which was mainly because I was a dad wanting to entertain
my son with my own writing and my own art. I love the ethos behind that answer. Phase four, sir.
Phase four is area 51. I can't go into too much detail. It does involve
creators. It does involve my love for being an advocate of creators and having tools necessary to
on board, not just builders and devs. I find that having come in to say in the last sort of two
months and obviously dropping my collection over the last three weeks, it's still very inaccessible
for artists like myself and the community that I have on Nifty Gateway and Foundation and
even Ethereum. There's a lot of artists that have DMed me since and asked how did I do it and
there's a lot of questions to be asked. So if you put my love and my advocacy for onboarding artists
IRL and in the space with the tools to help them create and share their work and build their
community in our space, that's what area 51 and phase four is about. That's all I can really go
into for now, at least for the next four to five weeks. All right, last question from me here,
Joey. And Heathen's actually saying that Remo should get a second episode here. So you might
be my second follow up like ever here on Say What, where you get a second episode. I would love to
have you guys back maybe in a couple of weeks to talk about any updates. My last question for you,
man, is more on the community building side. I think for all of us collectors, I'll use the
term collectors and just leave it there. For all of us collectors in Say, it feels like there is
this discord fatigue. There seems to be a lot of interest and that's leading to a bunch of different
projects building. I'm interested from the builder's perspective, how you think about capturing
the Say community's attention or maybe even a single user's attention in an environment where
literally people are creating five different discords daily. And in just that environment
that we see on Say right now, how do you view that from the builder's perspective?
Yeah, that's a good question. I think for me, it's about having been a collector and the creator.
I've not come into the space just to share my work. I've also bought artwork from other creators
and I was heavily involved in Azuki. I used to paint so many different paintings to get onto
whitelists of Clonex and Hatebeast and Azuki, you name it. All the 2021 big hype projects,
I was on the whitelist and I was on Instagram painting, oil painting and sharing my artwork
and getting whitelist spots to flip. I've been there and the biggest thing for me was,
if I ever become a founder, was to show up because in discord, it seems like there's this
mysterious thing of the devs at the top of the roles and they're online, but they never speak,
they never engage. They've got their mods that they treat like minions and it's ask the mod,
ask the collab manager. I think as a founder and as a builder, you've got to show up every day.
If that's for 30 minutes, three hours, 13 hours, however long that is, you should be doing
announcements. You should be in the chat, the general chat, the holders chat, doing your
announcements, doing giveaways, being present, DMing people. My DMs are open to every single
one of my holders. When it was 231 ETH holders, it was a lot, a lot easier. It's a lot more
challenging now with another 1500 holders on board, but it hasn't ever closed my DMs.
People can go on, once they're a holder, they can go on and book a canonly with me,
30 minute meeting as a holder. I schedule out my whole entire Tuesdays to just have one-on-ones
with my holders and that's where you build. You build from the inside out and my ethos has always
been we're not here to generate loads of revenue. We're not here to make loads of secondary sales
and be the most hyped project. We're here to prove that we are one of the strongest communities.
I'm not here overnight to take liquidity. Every bit of royalties that does get made go straight
back into the project, which hopefully will then shine eyes on angel investors, which we've already
attracted. Those are the hires we really want to attract is the angel investors and people who can
help propel the project outside of Web3. That's it. If you're a builder, you need to show up every
day and no job's too good. They say to be a CEO, you have to be a janitor too.
Joey, thank you for putting a bow on this awesome episode, man. Honestly, you had come in a couple
episodes ago and we talked a little bit about Remos, but to hear the backstory and to hear
the ethos you're building with is pretty fantastic, man. I already own some Remos. I might be
able to sweep some more, but thank you so much, man. Please drop any last links or posts from
your community or anything like that up in the Xbox. Folks, we do have to run out of here. I'm
15 minutes over for GM Web3, I'm supposed to. You go. It's been a bit of pleasure. It's been
great listening to all the information and the speakers and a bit of pleasure being here. It's
an honor being on your show. Thank you for having us and the Remos world holders as well.
Of course, man. I'll see you in a couple weeks, Joey. Hopefully, you stop by here
relatively soon. Hopefully, you guys come back. Let's just say what in the morning.
11 a.m. Eastern Daily. We're hopping over to GM Web3. Come and follow us.
Biggie Poppins. Appreciate you, sir. Our Vibar Tribe, folks. OVOT.