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Shroom Sunday 🍄 | Bitcoin Eternals
Recorded: March 30, 2025 Duration: 1:43:21Space Recording
Short Summary
Bitcoin Eternals is launching on April 4th, introducing a unique collection that celebrates diverse cultures and aims to establish a luxury brand on the Bitcoin blockchain. The conversation highlights trends in user engagement, growth potential for ordinals, and the importance of community support in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
Every second, every minute, man, I swear that she can get it.
Say if you a fat bitch, put your hands up high.
Hands up high.
Hands up high.
Tell them, build the lights down right now.
Put me in the pool.
I'm talking about dark blue perfume.
Go, go. I recognize your fragrance dark blue perfume. Go, go.
I recognize your fragrance.
Hold up, you ain't never got to say shit.
And I know your taste is a little bit.
Hot maintenance.
Everybody else basic.
You live life on an everyday basis with poetic justice.
Poetic justice.
If I told you that a flower bloomed in a dark blue, would you trust it?
I mean, I write poems in these songs, dedicated to you in.
You're in the mood for empathy, it's blood in my pen.
Better yet, with your friends in them.
I really wanna know you all.
I really wanna show you all.
Fuck that.
Pour up plenty of champagne.
Call nice when you curse this name.
You caught up your girlfriends and your code in that little BD range.
I heard that. She wanna go and heard that she wanna go and party she wanna go and
party nigga don't approach your wit that Atari nigga that ain't good game
homies sorry they say conversation rule of nation I can tell but I could never
write my bones that's I write it down for real PS you can get it you can get it you can get it you can get it and i know just know just don't know
just know just what you want oh what it justice put it in the song all right
you can get it you can get it you can get it you can get it and i know just know just know just know just know just what you're on Oh, what a justice, put it in a song, alright
I really hope you play this, cause oh girl you test my patience
With all these seductive photographs and all these one-off vacations
You've been taking, clearly a lot for me to take in
It don't make sense, young heat staff again girl
You too busy fucking with your other man.
I was trying to put you on game, but you want to play.
Take you and your mama to the motherland.
I could do it.
Maybe one day you figure out you're going to need someone.
And you figure out it's all right here in the city.
And you don't run from where we come from.
That sound like poetic justice.
Poetic justice.
You were so new to this life, but goddamn, you got adjusted.
I mean, I write poems in these songs dedicated to
the front sex your natural hair and your soft skin and your big ass and that sundress good god
what you doing that walk for when i see that they move i just wish we would fight less and
we would talk more they say communication save relations i can tell but I can never write my wrongs unless I write them down for real, yes.
You can get it, you can get it, you can get it, you can get it.
And I know just, know just, know just, know just what you want.
Oh, what a justice, put it in the song, alright.
You can get it, you can get it, you can get it, you can get it And I know just, know just talk, know just, know just what you want
Poetic justice, put it in the song, alright
Every time I write these words, they become a taboo
Making sure my punctuation curve, heavy letter hits true
Living my life in the margin.
And that metaphor was proof.
I'm talking poetic justice.
Poetic justice.
If I told you that a flower bloomed in a dark room, would you trust me?
I mean, you need to hear this.
Love is not just a verb.
It's you looking in the mirror.
Love is not just a verb.
It's you looking for it, maybe.
Call me crazy.
We can both be insane.
A fatal attraction is common. And what we have common is pain.
I mean, you need to hear this.
Love is not just a verb, and I can see power steering.
Sex drive when you swerve.
I want that interference.
It's coherent.
I can hear it.
That's your heartbeat.
Either caught me or caught me.
Be slow and you'll find gold mines and these lines
say silly you're surely right before you go blind PS you can get it you can get
you can get and I know just know just know just know just what you want I won't wait to cut this, put it in the sand.
Yo, what is up guys?
Welcome back to Shroom Sundays.
Ski God fam, how you doing?
A little Kendrick to start your day off.
I guess for you, it's like kind of coming to the end of the day.
Yeah, here we are.
Not much has changed, but I would say the one thing that I feel like has changed,
you could tell me if I'm way off here,
but it does feel as if like 60% of crypto Twitter is just gone.
They're just gone.
They're back to living their life.
They're back to watching fucking baseball on Wednesday nights. They're broke.
They got like 800 bucks left in all of their accounts.
And they just put all their dust together.
They got NFTs packed away.
They stopped talking to their friends in the discords.
And they're just back to like watching Trump clips on fucking TikTok or whatever.
What do you think? Am I way off here?
Yeah, when people go back, they probably just turn their PFP back to just like a face,
like a facey, something like that.
But yeah, I think it does feel like a lot of people kind of left the space.
They're back to doing normal things.
I'm not sure if that's a good thing.
I think we've always seen this kind of behavior when it bottoms, right?
People start leaving.
Yeah, so I'm hoping that this is the end.
But even if not, I mean, we've still got time.
We're still early.
But yeah, it does feel like it's halved right yeah it's just got like that kind of uh 2022 2018 kind of like the
people who are still here are the ones who would be like you know buying solana at 10 type of vibe
right the people who are just they're
just here they're not going anywhere uh for good or for bad they're not going anywhere and you know
they're generally the ones who end up having some of the better opportunities i just say like the
timing is a bit odd right like um but yes i would say this this is generally what you would feel in kind of the worst complacent, not even complacency at the highs, like the low complacencies, the missed opportunity, ignoring the space kind of disinterested vibes.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly that. And I think, yeah, I think it's normal.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly that. And I think, yeah, I think it's normal. As I said again, I think we saw very similar behavior in last summer. So like summer, probably even in summer 23, we saw a lot of people who were like really fresh to ordinals, super exciting, excited as soon as like there's a couple of weeks and months with no action people all of a sudden
leave that you always have these kind of guys um but yeah it does feel more than usually but guys
if you're listening to this space for the first time we speak a bit about bitcoin rooms we talk
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First of all, to the shroom of the week, real quick before we get into the markets.
This is personally one of my absolute favorite um bitcoin shrooms aesthetically i think this is just um
just a masterpiece i think obviously wizard trade is classic also kind of funny um that this is the
shroom of the week right around taproot wizard launch but um yeah this one i unidentified fungal object, but I believe it is supposed to be the self-proclaimed wizard Ruben Sompson,
who obviously many people will know in the Bitcoin space.
What do you think about this one, Ski?
Yeah, I love this one.
This has always been a fun...
Wait, uh-oh.
Got muted.
My bad.
I fat fingered.
Okay.
No, I love this one very gandalfy uh adult in the room just just a cool i don't know given our history here in bitcoin with the whole wizard lore
um to me this has to be one of the best it's unique symmetrical but not uh good coloring pfpable
the bitcoin thing on top of the cane like i don't know what's not to like about this one
yeah also what's really cool is like there's this one guy in the shrooms he's actually like made
um like gifts for different shrooms, so kind of animated them.
I think he made a really, really nice one with this one.
So even if you get this shroom,
then you get the dope-ass GIF as well with it,
which is quite cool.
I don't think I've seen that.
I don't know which GIF I'm talking about.
I'll send it to you later.
Are all the shrooms in circulation,
or is there still a founder there
or somebody that holds quite a few?
I believe they are all in circulation.
I think Shroom Toshi maybe held one or two back for himself,
and all the others are somehow distributed
I think
yeah that probably makes sense
I bet he's got one too
I didn't know
don't worry Speed we got one
for you bud
thank you
I'll send you my address
okay it's on its way
awesome also what's up Donnie good to have you with us Yeah, I'll send you my address. Okay, it's on to where.
Awesome. Also, what's up, Donnie? Good to have you with us. How's it going?
Well, howdy, partners. I was just thinking about how when you my friends minted a really wonderful art collection recently and it minted like halfway and it should have just it should have been
minted in the first like five minutes but I was thinking to myself people who minted this are
probably the ones who actually care and there's a lot of ways that we can divide the people who
cared to begin with from the people who didn't. I mean, they do it themselves, obviously, right? But I bet if you looked at this dude's collection, I'm not going to shill it because that's not what I'm here to do. If you looked at who minted this dude's collection, it's probably the only people in the space who actually care about art and aren't just here to flip it. And that's cool.
cool and i kind of like that we're seeing this real version of what's happening we're like people
will only mint shit they actually want and if they minted something to flip they're going to
floor it below where they minted it it's like it's like a proving grounds for people's like
fundamental humanity this is my favorite time of any more i say this every time there's a shitty
bear market that everybody's like fighting on the timeline and that that part really bums me out but it it's such a clear indicator of who's actually
here because they fucking like it so welcome to the bottom of the bear market everybody
it feels good doesn't it it feels good unless you're looking for quick profit
which i never personally i don't give a shit about that so that's like i don't know
doesn't it just feel funny though that the timing of everything and where we at with bitcoin price
and everything else in crypto and and we're feeling like we're peak bear you know in this
ecosystem um and it's not just us it's it's all them. You know, you look at ETH. You know, ETH is trouble maintaining $2,000.
And their assets, besides basically a couple, are all down bad.
Solana, same thing.
And it is just to show that this cycle is, you know, I think a lot of people said, oh, you know, I'm just going to have the playbook of before.
And I'm going to get, you know, overly aggressive on alts and risk assets.
And then it's going to pump.
And then I'm going to dump. And then I'm going to make a lot of money. And then it's going to pump, and then I'm going to
dump, and then I'm going to make a lot of money, and then I'm going to go spend it. And obviously,
as these markets get more commercialized and more well-known, people know that playbook.
And ultimately, then the playbook's not the same. And so I think that's what we're all in in this
sense is we feel like most feel that we aren't peak, you know, crypto cycle yet, but the assets involved are kind of on a big drawdown.
I attest to this, but like, you know, often the people who have the biggest convictions
and the long-term outlook, like if they're the ones that are actually swallowing it,
you know, swallowing that sour taste, putting their money where their mouth is and actually
like buying a bunch of art at these prices and like see it through and get paid off,
at these prices and like see it through and get paid off like well fucking played dude you know
you deserve you deserve all the 50x's in the world because it is pretty fucking hard to buy
art right now i mean i i i fud art all the time on bitcoin right now i'm like to donnie's point
i'm not fucking buying anything right now. Like I, nobody's buying anything.
Yeah.
Like I,
sure. I'd like a taproot wizard and like,
I fucking have bought shrooms for way too much money.
But like,
I'm like everybody I'm on like lockdown,
right?
I'm not just spewing money to spew money.
So with that being said,
if you believe in ordinals long-term and you are looking for the opportunities where everybody
like me and like others is on lockdown well here's your fucking chance to be a hero you know i think
we talked about this on the phone last or not it was like a couple of months ago yeah i think you
can it's it's yeah it's it's really exactly what you said. You can go boom or bust in this situation.
I mean, people have been talking a lot about buying.
Oh, man.
I'll take a lap.
No, I think it was on my side.
Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, we can hear you now.
Donnie's just going to go down and back up.
I'll take a lap. I've never heard that, but that's some experience spaces talk right there.
The one thing to keep in mind, again, in its high risk, high reward environment that we're existing in currently,
let's just reflect that back on one of the most successful stocks of all time and nvidia
let's just reflect that back on one of the most successful stocks of all time in NVIDIA.
it's had multiple 50 plus percent drawdowns during its process to become one of the biggest
companies in the world and it goes through cycles and it goes through iterations and it goes through
kind of all this risk on risk off sentiment involved in in macroeconomics and also at a
micro level as far as what types of chips and where
they pivot and different things like that. And our ecosystem is exactly the same except exponential
just because it's that much more immature as a whole. And I think as it continues to mature and
develop a framework and space for where things evolve to, I think we'll see a lot more stability
in the participants as well as
some of the prices paid for various digital assets.
Tony, you're back? Yeah. Can you guys hear me this time?
Yeah. Cool. Sorry about that. I just wanted to butt in for a second i think we were on the phone like
two months three months it might have been like six months ago actually i don't remember when it
was yeah about ombs right i was asking yeah that stuff too yeah what was that like six months now
i mean it feels like it was yesterday but it was probably i don't even know who knows yeah it was
we were talking and you were like i don't know i'm not really fully confident in the market or
the way things are going or if it's going to go up, it's going to go down, it's going to crab walk.
And when I hear, not that, but when I hear like everyone engaging in fear mode, I get hungry at this point.
I used to go with them.
Like last cycle and the cycle before, everybody would get scared.
I'd see the chart going down.
I'd sell.
So I'd sell red candles.
And I'm exactly the opposite. Now I smell
fear. And I get hungry. You know, like, like, I'm a predator now. And as soon as everyone's like
bouncing off the walls and super excited, and like, new people are joining, and they're like,
Oh, my God, it's gonna go up forever. I'm gonna, I'm gonna be terrified. That scares the shit out
of me. I don't get scared when things go down. I get scared when they go up now, which I think is
a really weird thing that happened to me this cycle. Speed, you probably
have already begun to feel this, but this is new for me. Yeah, the risk reward becomes much
less risk and much more reward at these phases. Just think about a green eyes, you know, and not
that long ago, you know, before Orange Demented, they went up above one Bitcoin floor. And I bought a Green Eyes before Christmas for like 0.3.
And now they're trading at like sub 0.1.
And so it's one of those situations, could they go down to zero?
These assets, absolutely they could.
But now that risk, as far as that upfront capital becomes much less
and that reward becomes much more.
And so it is very difficult to buy it when the sentiment's so bad, but, you know, even,
you know, going back to the stock side and I'm in a couple of chats with Ski, you know,
I was deploying quite a bit of capital in the markets on Friday when the markets are down bad
just because of that same, you know, yes, could there be another 10% drawdown in standard S&P 500
and stocks? Absolutely, there could be. But we're also one of those situations, if someone's got a
longer term horizon, and you start to weigh those risks and benefits, and then ultimately, you choose,
hey, I'm going to deploy or not. And so now you're saying like, I could get a black eyes OMB for a couple thousand
bucks. Yep, you could be out a couple thousand bucks. I think a lot of us have lost way more
than that in various trades in crypto in the past. Or, you know, this stuff can take off.
And now all of a sudden that couple thousand dollars could turn into significantly more. So
again, that's from an investment side, but from an aesthetic side and someone who's collecting,
it doesn't necessarily matter right off the bat. You're just saying like you go to the store, you see this awesome art piece and it costs 10,000 bucks. It's a lot to think about. If you go in there and it costs 50 and you really like it, you want me to jump into like markets in general here
with speed a little bit can you can you guys hear me yeah oh perfect uh, please. I'd love to talk a bit about the market.
We should also have guests on today.
Good things will be coming with Bitcoin Eternals, talking a bit about that, and also Taproot
Wizards.
But yeah, I'd love to talk a bit about the market.
I mean, as you said, Ski, I think not super much has changed since last week, I feel like.
But please, I'd love to hear your opinion and speeds.
And obviously, Donnie, if you want to chime in as well, definitely feel free to.
What's going on in the market?
What are you guys seeing at the moment?
And where do you see us going in the next weeks?
So my personal opinion is we keep continuing through these uncertain waters
every time you think there's a break there's another kind of every time the gas gets hit
the break gets hit with some tariff talk or like there was this you know thing about iran recently
there's mag 7 getting trashed there's rotation of capital happening there's you know wondering
about fed policy there's just all this stuff going on and i've had an interesting past week
i actually traveled a bit had some conversations with some people who are outside of crypto and
then had some conversations with some old friends who are Bitcoin maxis and like look at
they look at things a lot different than we do right because we're kind of in the weeds and um
you know I had a lot of just like thoughts about where we're at and I was I made a video the other
day where I was just like choose your character and. And by that, I meant like, all right, look, bro,
if you think like recession is upon us,
Trump and co are looking to crash the market
so that they can spend more money
and they could kind of teabag on Jerome Powell
and ruin relationships around the world
and test the waters on really trying
to balance the budget or something while making everybody lose a fuck ton of money and like you
think we're over leveraged in this market and that there's a long way down okay like fuck it go ahead
man like that's that's your prerogative there's always a doomer story available and they get better
and better you know what i mean and they get louder and louder because there's more a doomer story available and they get better and better you know what i mean and
they get louder and louder because there's more and more people that believe in them and if you
haven't noticed there's a lot of uh crypto kols on their first doomer cycle and speed could probably
attest to this like as you go through um years and years and years there's always a reason to
think that like the great reset is upon us and i feel like even though people have
maybe had a couple crypto cycles under their belt this is the first time that they've really had this
uh doomer mindset and trad fi and you know they're all fucking phd economists now and like
post a couple charts about uh delinquencies on apartments going up and like it's all over
right just a couple years ago i was
telling somebody there's there was this chart running around about uh credit card interest
rates and credit card um missed payments and and how basically everybody has no money left the
average american has less than like 400 to their name and they're all just borrowing on credit
cards and it's doomed we're fucked nobody. Nobody has money left. And then fast forward six, eight months and somehow we're at all time highs. Nobody remembers that chart
and we move on. And to be honest, even though we're in a scenario here where Trump's doing,
it's the same shit that happened the first time Trump was in office. He's a rich guy. He doesn't
want the market to fall apart. He doesn't want his,
you know, what do you call it? Approval rating to just go into the tank. Like you can't just
blame everything on like a previous administration. Right. So sorry, there's a long rant to say,
choose your character. Right. So that's one. You could choose that side of it. I prefer to choose
that. Now we have like unlimited catalysts to the upside,
and that you have a huge cohort of people who are hedged, defensively positioned, sidelined,
and that you have trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars
that could come racing back into American stocks, into crypto if they want, into MAG7, into just risk back on. You could go through all the
different metrics you want. Inflation, I think, is going to ease over time. Yes, I do think the
employment situation gets worse, but not by any means bad. I think relations with the tariff
situations get better. I think interest rates start coming down and money
and the money market funds and bonds and all this stuff starts moving out to risk uh i don't think
like china and america are gonna be getting into any fucking war uh yeah so i pick bullish uh and
i just like with all the goods and that's not even talking about all the good things that have
happened to bitcoin in the past couple months.
Right.
Like it's like every it's like a wet dream for Bitcoiners, if you think about it.
Right.
Yeah.
The price is just like slowly taking.
And I'm just over the past week.
I was just thinking to myself, like, are we just getting like are we just getting an absolute beach ball underwater here opportunity to just be fully allocated
and even if we're wrong and even if the recession happens how much farther do you really think
things go to where you're getting you're just getting cute here you know why what do you think
you think that like no i'm gonna wait for 72kK, right? Like, then I'll fucking back up the Brinks truck.
No, bro, because if you're not going to buy 82,
the story's only going to get worse at 72,
and you think then you're going to be a fucking hero?
Nah, dude, nobody's going to remember your name.
So if you're going to, like, take the bull side,
like, the risk-reward here for history seems pretty dang good.
And that's my vibe, and I'll let Speed Racer either jump onto that Like the risk reward here for, for history seems pretty dang good.
And that's my vibe.
And I'll let speed racer either jump onto that or he could fucking smash me in the face and say we're going lower.
So there's some nuance to this as you're kind of mentioning, because, you know, it is kind of that choose your door moment for the markets as a whole. And Bitcoin in particular is
really correlated now with, kind of put it with the NASDAQ volatility. And it's actually
outperformed. If you look at the triple Qs, they basically double bottomed here on Friday with the
recent drawdown. Bitcoin hasn't quite hit there, although it's trying to work its way towards that
double bottom of where we bottomed previously about the same time.
But so we're in a dilemma right now of the markets are trying.
Everything when it comes to stocks is basically, as he can attest to, is basically algorithms and computers.
And you plug things in, you get outputs, and then you decide based on those outputs, do I buy this or not, or do I invest in this or not?
And the conundrum of earnings and deciding what the S&P 500 earnings are is very difficult in a very mobile environment when people are trying to figure out what their input costs are, what their CapEx spending is going to be related to all these uncertainties and tariffs and trade and the economy as a whole. And you reflect in their inflation as well. So, you know,
there's a big variation in what people think the year end stock S&P 500 is going to be.
And a lot of people were down revising their S&P right now. And that's typically kind of going
into Donnie's sense is, hey, I'm going to get ahead of it. You know, the markets are down.
I'm going to look smart. So I'm going to lower it now instead of at the beginning of
the year when they should have been lowering it and telling their clientele to sell at the beginning
of the year, not when the markets are down. And there's still some people saying that markets
are going to be 6,600. And right now we're trading at 5,600. And so if you plug those numbers into the calculations right now, at $280 of earnings per share, we're trading at a 20 multiple of S&P 500. And the next question is, well, historically, that's a little high. Although I think when we look back historically at markets, we didn't have the biggest companies in the world have the amount of growth we have. We used to have very industrial companies that had low growth, so people don't pay as much for that growth. And as a result,
the multiple historically is around 15 to 16 multiple on the S&P 500. So if you just run the
numbers and say, well, we could go down to 18 multiple on that 280, and 280 is a pretty low
conservative number. That brings the S&P 500 down to 5,000, which is about another 10% drawdown, that number that I was talking about before.
If we get some more clarity when it comes to tariffs this week, which is going to happen on April 2nd,
and those numbers come out to be not as significant to these companies and their earnings per share,
because, again, that's what people want to plug
into calculators. Now, all of a sudden, you could be pushing up a 300, 320 earnings per share on
S&P 500. And now all of a sudden, people are saying, man, now we've got green shoots ahead.
And like I said, going back to crypto, unfortunately, everything on the Bitcoin side
is lumped into risk on, risk off.
Edge funds this week, and I can post to the top, and they're also the ones that are trading Bitcoin the most when it comes to trading it, deleveraged significantly this week.
So those are the people that are ultimately dropping dollars left and right it said uh this is the the let me see here sold the second largest amount of global technology stocks in five years this week so i mean these people were deleveraging
and ultimately bitcoin comes down with it so i think we're in this uncertainty moment where
the the smartest people you know uh would have sold a long time ago.
And so now everyone else is trying to figure out, well, what do I do here?
Like, OK, you have money or you don't have money.
Do you invest or not?
And we're in that same environment.
We think about our ecosystem.
People have maybe a little bit of cash on the sidelines, not very much.
Most people are probably over levered into assets that are very difficult
to sell. And so now you're saying, is it risk on or not? And I think we'll get some clarity in the
next week or two from a macro perspective that will hopefully trickle down into our ecosystem
as well. Because I think a lot of the tech, a lot of the indicators still point that Bitcoin is
going higher. I mean, you look at a lot of the indicators, but it doesn't mean it couldn't go back down in the matter of the next
couple of weeks to the low 70s. And so, again, it's just your time frame and preference when it
comes to that. But that's just kind of a big picture look at why the market is trying to
figure this out. And ultimately, nobody know that the cards are all in the
administration's hands and they haven't showed their cards to anybody yet
yeah hey what's up everybody happy sunday what's up what's up ocm how you doing good good good uh
what's up what's up ocm how you doing good good good uh just getting ready for uh for another
uh fun week in uh in this crazy world um i just want to first thank speed racer for
basically like giving the market an mba and like understanding where the markets are
it's always so great um to try figure out what the fuck is happening.
And you're so smart about it.
It's like, anyway, just want to say that and say what's up.
How's Sunday for everybody?
What is happening?
All I heard, Speed, was up only April.
Is that right?
I think we're getting close to a point where, you know, typically, and this is a thing that
people forget, on average, the S&P 500 falls 13% or more every year.
We hit 10 on the S&P 500.
And each year, there's a different narrative as to why it should fall.
And the market is always trying to basically manipulate a narrative for people to sell.
And ultimately, at some point, either they switch the narrative or a white horse rides in and comes in, saves the market, as Ski's kind of talking about.
Because we do have a lot of levers and the All In Podcast you know those guys are all pretty pretty smart when it comes to some of this
stuff just because they're also in business ownership and they have investments and they
have a lot of these these different vehicles so they're directly impacted by some of this but
they're this administration is trying to thread a very tight needle of what they're trying to do as far as basically take dollars spent from the government and move them to the private sector.
And they have about six to nine months to do that.
Because if they don't, they're going to have to pivot because, again, these are still politicians and they're going to have to try to work on midterm elections.
And so you can't continue to do that.
So at some point, they could concede victory in these trade negotiations as they did, like, say, with Vietnam, you know, with this reciprocal tariff stuff came out.
They got ahead of it and basically dropped their tariffs.
And that's classified as a win, you know, for this administration.
I think at some point, Trump is going to get back in with China and they're going to come up with some big negotiated plan.
They're going to have some handshake and everybody's going to feel like they won.
The question is when.
And again, it's one of those situations where as someone who is going to lever these tariffs, you can't show your cards that you want to concede in certain manners with it not being successful, because he still has,
like I said, a window of time where he can be tough on each and every one of these countries.
And he's trying to bring more money back to the middle lower class, and ultimately will spend
more money, more tax savings, and all these different things. So it is a very difficult
thing that they're trying to do. If it's successful, I would say both sides of the aisle will love it,
although they probably won't admit to it.
But it's not an easy environment to trade in because, again,
it's not just like, hey, people are losing some jobs.
Again, you can plug numbers in and what that does to GDP,
but you can't plug numbers in when you don't know the numbers to plug in.
And that's where we're at currently.
OCM, you had your hand up.
Go ahead.
Yeah, I was just going to, it seems like one of the big priorities for the administration is the deregulation side of things.
Do you see that as like a big catalyst?
Like when some of these things start to
enter the market? Like a lot, it seems like a lot of that's just getting passed now or
about to like become official. But I don't know how long it takes to implement,
you know, changes in tax policy or, you know, no taxes on crypto, obviously we all want, but
big things like that. Do you see that as like a huge catalyst at some point?
It will be.
But again, it takes this first pain to get the gain because how they're going to implement
all of this deregulation and tax cuts and all of these different things is through a
process called reconciliation, which only requires 51% of the vote to get through.
And this is how the Democrats got,
you know, Obamacare through back when they did, and a lot of other of these very difficult policies where they're trying to make a massive change. And in order to do a reconciliation bill,
what it requires is budget neutrality. So you can't add spending without take spending away.
So in order for them to get through all of these narratives that they want when it comes
to taxes and all of this, they need to find a budget neutral thing to include or incorporate
into the budget to where if you take taxes out of the coffers of the U.S. government,
you have to add them from something else.
So if that be deregulation, if that be through tariffs, whatever it may be. And so they have to get these numbers in the books
so they can then calculate that number. And then you also have cuts through Doge that they're
going to incorporate because they do want to increase spending, but they've got a $2 trillion
budget deficit that has to be closed. So it's like a double whammy of, you know, going back to this
thread this needle, it's not easy. And I'm glad somebody is at least trying, because there's a lot
of things in my philosophy, will I take 20% drawdown over the next year, maybe even two years,
to prevent a 70% drawdown in five to 10 years when no one will buy the United States government debt,
I gladly will do that. And no one's talking about that because they don't want to scare the markets
because if ultimately you told people that there's a chance that nobody will buy our debt
in five to seven years or even 10 years time because we have a currency that continues to get out of control. What will people do with
their retirement plans? They're going to put it into cash or they're going to put it into very,
you know, low, low hanging fruit vehicles to maintain their wealth. And that's the last thing
they want to do because you want to continue to have people basically passively invest into the
S&P 500 and companies. So it's one of those
situations where you need the tough truth to come out. And ideally, we're doing it before we hit the
crisis. And that's where we're at now. So I think there is some gains to be had, and it's probably
at the back half of the year. But remember, the markets are forward looking. So once they start
to see that, they're going to go ahead of it. Right now, no one's talking about all of this.
They're only talking about tariffs.
At some point, the narrative is going to shift.
And once that does and we start to see some of these pages of this bill start to come
out and say, oh, wow, they're going to cut taxes on industries and businesses, this or
that, or they're going to lower this.
They can plug those numbers in and now they're going to front run that.
So we normally see like sell in may go away you come back in september you know when it comes to the
markets well we may have front run that selling and we may see some some more activity through
the summer months in a positive manner also uh some some just thoughts on bitcoin i was writing down as you were speaking speed
that uh i'm gonna get that up here that could be interesting is since we're having this and i've
been watching jordy viscer's stuff a lot he's been he's been really good if you guys want some
fun stuff where it's it's bitcoin it's it's markets it it's AI, it's economics, whatever.
Jordy Visser, look him up.
But he's been talking about this giant correlation or rotation of capital from like Mag7 into other stuff,
whether that's European or Asian or just more defensive stuff in America.
like one one sneaky thing that could be good here is if like as time passes and money doesn't
necessarily rush back into the mag seven it could be the chance where bitcoin could actually start
to break away from these like tech correlations because if bitcoin could kind of catch a bid from
some dangling carrots of what what what are to come which i'll mention in a minute and that starts catching a bid but like mag 7 doesn't it could finally like ditch that
narrative of being attached to like the queues or to the mag 7 and and go on its own run even when
everything else is not doing much um so what i was saying is like Bitcoin tends to do well when you dangle a carrot in front of it right
like oh Trump could get elected
or ETFs are coming
or whatever right
like Bitcoin tends to run
and then we might have like sell the news types of events
that's generally we've seen that a lot
so if you start talking about like
this idea of budget neutral strategies
that Lutnik and
Bo Hines and these guys.
I was just going to say, if you can get some of these things
actually out there as real ideas and you start
letting the narrative wheel spin, they could be interesting dangling carrots
to start getting
Bitcoin running again and then just tack on a couple extra ones. David Bailey has been hinting
at Middle Eastern news to come out soon. GameStop was a big thing. MicroStrategy is doing left,
right, and center new opportunities to raise capital. Banks are now allowed to custody and maneuver in crypto without even needing approval.
Like all of these things are allowing for new carrots to be dangled.
So just interesting thoughts, I think.
Yeah, man, it seems like the corporate treasury use, like buying Bitcoin thing, is catching a bit with a lot of these companies.
And I feel like that's just going to start to take over for a lot of companies that are holding a bunch of cash and want to use it.
But it seems like that's happening down the board now.
Globally, too, right?
Which is the most exciting part is it doesn't have to just be here.
The most exciting part is it doesn't have to just be here.
Like MetaPlanet is, you know, doing its thing.
Like MetaPlanet is doing its thing.
And I don't know, that's the best thing about crypto is like, or Bitcoin specifically is
like, I just constantly have to remind myself that anything can come from anywhere.
It just doesn't have to be here.
There's a lot of money in the world.
Yeah, totally agree.
And I think, yeah, there were many great points brought up in that conversation.
I like the idea that maybe we have front-run this summer break.
We usually have, as Speed Racer said.
So, yeah, definitely great thoughts.
Guys, we've got Good Things and Polymath up here.
These guys are going ahead and dropping their collection.
I think we've seen many people really appreciate the art on the timeline.
I've seen many posts throughout the week.
And yeah, super excited to have these guys up on this space.
Good things, Polymath.
What's up, guys?
How's your Sunday been?
Yo, what up, guys?
It's going well, man.
It's going well.
Yeah, I love the spaces. You guys always do great analysis. Yeah, I mean, it's going well man it's going well um yeah i love i love the spaces you guys always
do great analysis um yeah i mean it's it's a wild time we're in the midst of a wild time
in this industry um i think everybody here is quite astute at watching the market and understanding
you know like this is not at all um what what people thought it was going to be in terms of
a bull run it's been very uh very odd but um i think that's par for the going to be in terms of a bull run. It's been very odd, but I think
that's par for the course, to be honest. History never repeats, but it can rhyme. And so you see
some similarities happening, but there's a bunch of exogenous events, right? Nobody predicted
President Trump doing what he's done like nobody predicted him becoming president and being
the bitcoin president in the first place um so there's a ton of stuff going on um but ultimately
i think uh where we sit you know within ordinals like we're in very good position uh we just watched
you know two major projects mint out like you know zk minted out for somewhere around seven million
dollars um pepper wizards meant it out out for somewhere around seven million dollars um sapper wizards
minted out for somewhere somewhere around 20 million and this shows real demand for what
we're doing here in ordinals so um yeah i mean we're we're super excited about about bitcoin
eternals uh really grateful to be here with you guys and uh yeah i'll throw it to polymath
no i mean overall i'm i'm i'm ecstatic about markets. I'm ecstatic about all the news we get.
I mean, since they announced a strategic Bitcoin reserve, I mean, I think that kind of cemented all of our beliefs, all of our energy, all of the faith that we've all put into the market when we all joined, you know, whether it was 16, 13, 20, 20, 21.
2021, I think that we got all the best, you know, macro indicators.
I think that we got all the best macro indicators.
We got all the best macro indicators.
Oh, my God.
We got all the best macro indicators that we could possibly have that's working up in our favor for the, again, you know, like the combination of Bitcoin being what we all believe when we first joined.
You know, like the combination of Bitcoin being what we all believe when we first joined.
And I don't really see like like I was talking right before the spaces like I don't really see negativity.
I don't I don't I don't focus on losers. I don't focus on bad things.
I focus on the world, the world I want to see, like the way I want things to be and ask myself, what does it take to make that happen?
to be and ask myself, what does it take to make that happen?
And I think that we got all the macro conditions to make, you know, Bitcoin and Ornose, you
know, be that thing.
As people talk about the value of Bitcoin going up, I think it bodes well for all of
us in the Ornose space because Bitcoin is becoming more like a collectible, whereas
you buy, you hold it, you know, you save it, you don't want to trade it, you don't want
to sell it.
And now we got collectibles on the number one collectible. Right. And so I think everything, you know, directly is like we are in a beautiful place. If you get caught in, you know, bull and bear cycles, you know, accumulation and distribution and trying to pinpoint the tops and bottoms at the end of the day, you know, Bitcoin is higher than it was was the last cycle bitcoin is way higher than it was at this cycle's bottom and um we we all up in a great place and so
uh patience is a virtue and like you know someone i divert to all the time when i when i have a
moment of feeling like i'm like uh having anxiety or you know in all my analysis i study every
charge i study again fibonacci white golfckoff, Elliott Waves, Gann.
I mean, I study it all.
And, you know, you try to make some rhyme and reason to it.
But at the end of the day, the best investor is like, you know,
someone like Warren Buffett still owns stock.
He bought it 19 years old, and he's in his 90s.
And that's just really how it works.
And so what happens is in this space, we have people that come in,
saying they're down to
be long-term, but truthfully, they're not. They heard somebody got rich, so they try to come here
to get rich without having to understand it. And again, that's something here, even as a project
founder now, I want to educate people about how investing really works, like the right proper
mentality to have. And what I'm loving now, I think, so the irony what happened with Ornals,
we pumped like right away. Like we pumped so fast that everybody thought like that was the bottom.
And because it has done a correction, it's allowed to shake out the people who weren't really here.
It's also allowed us to have the people who are here develop a certain integrity, a certain
mentality, and a certain maturity for our space.
So I think going forward, like the projects and the people that's really building with real intention
will do better than they would have ever done.
And it's been like a reset, which I think is beautiful.
And, you know, I definitely want to promote, again, everybody that's trying to contribute and build. And the thing is, like, if any one of us that's in this space building
don't want each other to succeed, then you're saying you don't want
ordnance to succeed.
We all should be wanting the best for each other because if we bring the world
to our small, like, you know, like cubbyhole over here, then, baby,
go in the room, baby. Go in then baby, go in the room, baby.
Like, go in the room.
Go in the room, baby.
If we build this right, then it's going to be like so much liquidity will come over here
that we can't even imagine.
And that's why we all should have each other back.
We all should be pushing collectively to push ordinals, not getting caught into the tribalism of, again, I make it clear.
I'm no no chain Maxi.
I'm no race Maxi.
I'm no nothing Maxi.
I'm about collaboration.
I'm about building.
I'm about who's best for the job.
If someone's best for the job, it's who should have the job.
It don't matter their gender.
It don't matter their race.
It don't matter nothing.
If you're the best, that should who should be the best and all of us as builder in this space should be
pushing for it builders because we all we we're going against the giant one thing that people
don't talk about in this and that people don't acknowledge and it's like what we should talk
about we all are telling people that ordnance are worth you spending your Bitcoin on but then the mainstream
media is telling everybody never spend a Bitcoin we got to overcome this and all this tribalism
shit that I've watched happens in our ecosystem it's the stupidest shit in the world because
the mainstream narrative if never sell your Bitcoin so then why would they buy our orders bro
why would they buy our orders this is this bro? Why would they buy our ordnance?
This is something I don't hear people talking about.
So we as builders and founders need to stick together and promote each other as much as we can because it's us against the world.
It's us against the narrative.
We're telling people, don't spend your Bitcoin over fiat, but hey, you should buy this valuable ordnance. That is either it's a piece of art.
It's a token to allow you access to a certain community. It has network effects. We all got
to come together for that. And so that's something that I'm excited to see going forward because I
have been someone that was contributing to the space to push founders and to push creators and artists.
And now I get to take it to the next level and actually get out here and go and go tell the Smithsonian Institute why you should put ordinals in there.
And that's what that's the next level that just going to.
I just want to add to that.
No, all great points. And I agree. I um it's it's it's difficult right obviously on one
side we are all like bitcoin maxis i mean that is kind of um well hold on kenny i want to sorry to
interrupt you yeah go ahead we're i don't think we're all bitcoin maxis like i watch people like
i'm i'm not a i've said you know i'm a bitcoin maxi of a sort and in the instance
that i in the sense that i i love bitcoin the most it was the thing that brought me in here
um but what i've what i've watched in the market what i've watched in in people that i know like
the best people in this space are not maxis the worst people in this fucking space are maxis
i'll say it again the worst fucking people in this industry are maxis and. I'll say it again. The worst fucking people in this industry
are maxis. And I don't think we're an industry that's going to go anywhere with that kind of
philosophy. It's what kept Bitcoin down for so many years. Nobody wanted to fucking buy into
the libertarian bullshit, right? If you're a libertarian, you buy into it. But what about
the rest of the fucking world? Nobody cares about that shit. We care about art. We care about culture. We care
about building technology that makes our lives better. Maximalism is against that. It is the
opposite of that. So what we need to do if we want to grow this industry, kill maximalism.
I don't mean kill the people. I mean, kill that idea. It doesn't work. It's
never worked. So I just want to say that. Thank you. Good things. Donnie, go ahead.
I would like to make a proposition that we redefine the word maximalist and reappropriate it,
because I kind of want to be a Bitcoin maximalist in a way, but I don't want it to sound like that.
to be a Bitcoin maximalist in a way,
but I don't want it to sound like that.
Like, I don't want it to come across as me.
Like, the people who got onboarded to Bitcoin
in 2009 through, I don't know, 16, 17, whatever,
they're probably cypherpunks for the most part.
They're people who believe in some, like,
digital Star Trek money that does exist in Israel.
But, like, they got into it because they feel like there's a
better future. Somehow it solves a problem. And then the people who got into it after that,
like the pandemic inductees into the Bitcoin ecosystem, are more like, don't tell me what
to do. There are people who wouldn't wear a mask and won't get vaccinated. Now, I'm not saying
everybody should wear a mask or get vaccinated, but that was their draw. It fit their meat eating, go to men's retreats. Bitcoin became a part of this other subculture that is not really what Bitcoin maximalism where when I think of myself being sort of a Bitcoin maximalist, I think
I use the US dollar.
I think Solana
could be a fun playground. Ethereum's
confusing but beneficial in a lot of
ways. And Bitcoin is fucking
I'm obsessed with it.
I'm absolutely obsessed with it.
And it doesn't mean that I don't want to buy a ton of ordinals
because ordinals are on Bitcoin. They share
the same benefits that the Bitcoin as money as we know it has. So like Bitcoin is a data storage network, I guess, mechanism is what I'm a maximalist of. And there's a lot of ways that expresses. I just want to redefine it and like call ourselves nouveau maxis. No, that's kind of like, like no that sounds even more out of reach whatever i identify as that but i don't identify as the other people who identify as that i guess
that's what i wanted to say yeah i i um i love that donnie and and honestly like when i used to
go around saying like i'm a maximalist of sorts that that's kind of what i mean um it but what i
would say is like you know even the cypherpunks,
I can't speak for all of them, but several of them did not really like Bitcoin. They may have
liked that it made an advancement in solving key technical problems. But, you know, you had
the developers of Zcash, you had the developers of Monero, right? The cypherpunk movement was all
about privacy. If you go back and read the literature, read all the essays, their main focus is privacy before all else.
Bitcoin is not a network that focuses on privacy. So the cypherpunk, like associating cypherpunks
with Bitcoin is actually kind of bullshit because the key that the true cypherpunks who all they
care about is privacy, they're privacy maximalists. Don't give a shit about Bitcoin. They actually don't like it because it doesn't promote privacy first.
So I want to set that narrative straight as well. There's a lot of narratives that have gone on
through the history of this industry that are just false.
I think it was different back then though. And I'm sorry to butt in, but when you could mine
Bitcoin on a CPU with very little competition, you could mine it totally anonymously to one
address. And if you use Sparrow Wallet or Bitcoin Core Wallet, it spouts out a new address to spend
change to every single time. And it's almost literally impossible to track where anything
came from as long as you mined it. The difficulty we have here is that you can't buy Bitcoin on
layer one with a private asset. So you have to buy it from somewhere that's KYC. So now it's
no longer privacy centric. But in the beginning,
although all the transactions were public,
where they came from and who they were going to was completely private for quite some time.
It still is if you use it the right way
or have the ability to mine Bitcoin
straight from the Coinbase.
Yeah, no, 100%.
I love that you said that because,
I mean, Donnie, you just explained my issue lately
with like what the Bitcoin maxes is or just the – it has changed from what it started off as.
The way we use it has changed, yeah.
Yeah, no, I know.
The way we use it, the way – again, if you read the white paper, it was supposed to be a way that you're in Puerto Rico, I'm in Vegas.
We should be able to transact on a Sunday right now, you know, peer-to-peer.
Now it's not like that no more.
Like, now it's became a store of value.
It's became something that no one spends.
Again, we're talking behind the scenes, but like, I mean, like the guy who spent the 12,000 Bitcoin on pizza, like, he was actually giving it a use case.
Like, that guy's a fucking legend.
Like, he was fucking using it for what it was intended to be used for and now the narrative is just fucking buy
it and fucking do nothing with it it's like not use it like bitcoin was meant to be used and like
you say it was private where you can generate a new wallet address every transaction it was
like i i'm i'm sad it's not like that no more to be honest and but because it is though none of
that has changed we just don't use sparrow wallet and nobody uses core wallet but like if you use
sparrow wallet it generates a new change output address by default i use all the wads i'm not
talking about me i'm talking about so so we all are like fucking like top pros the narrative that
michael seller goes and preaches on the stage like bro it's like me and your voice never get
bigger than he is bro like like the narrative that's being pushed we are not that
big right like so we i'm so i'm talking about that narrative we know again i i still using the um
you know my senior water like right so it's like um you know i'm i'm og with it so and again i run
two no's right so but we are not the majority And so I'm just saying the message that the majority are receiving daily is completely different than what Bitcoin was initially intended for. And again, as all of us in this industry, the world needs more education and it's up to us to provide the education.
yeah i mean i i agree with um with both points i think that that's actually like an interesting
thought about like thinking how others used to use bitcoin and like how the ogs actually
vision bitcoin um i think it's definitely like a point, right? With Bitcoin basically being the digital version of money, like cash,
because cash has no record.
But then some people also prefer to save cash, right?
And then I think that's a really interesting point,
that if the OGs, if they literally viewed Bitcoin as just a means to buy other goods, right?
I mean, that is kind of what Satoshi hinted at at the beginning.
But yeah, I think that's a really interesting topic.
But from that, I'd love to pivot into the collection you guys have been building.
I mean, I think we've seen a lot of
really good previews on the timeline um you guys will be dropping a collection with four four
thousand four hundred and forty four pieces on the fourth of april which is also the fourth month in
the year if you didn't know um guys what like what's what's your what's your thoughts going
into something like this right this is your first collection, as far as I know,
your first own collection.
You've been helping out in other big communities
and discords for a long time.
What does it feel like finally dropping your own collection?
What's your thoughts going in this?
Are you guys nervous at all?
Are you guys just excited to get your stuff out,
see people rock it as PFPs, all all these things what's your thoughts going into this
i mean my thoughts literally is just you know like just excitement you know i'm i'm excited that uh
ornals has been unleashed to be able to put art that can be permanent you know forever i'm i'm
excited to preserve ancient cultures and history.
I'm excited to use Bitcoin as a medium, as a canvas to do, again, you know,
again, like we did, like Recursion.
We did Parenthood.
We got a great, great grandfather.
Again, we did over, you know, almost 2,300 traits.
You know, we took over 153 blocks.
I'm grateful to be able to finally be able to, you know, share with the world.
So I've been building for a long time, trying to create for a long time, trying to put it all in,
you know, in one big pot, you know, to serve everybody. And I'm fucking excited. Like,
you know, and again, even with the 444, I want people to understand, like, you know,
you know, I started off thinking about like DNA and DNA. And, you know, it's four main elements of all of our DNA.
And, you know, that's where it started from.
And then, you know, the four core universes that I live by, which is to create, you know, how the courage to create, how the discipline to do what you need to do to see a creation through.
And then, you know, perseverance, you know, that you persevere to everything.
uh we obviously got the four elements of earth earth uh fire water air which is a lot of those
elements is in every element that we see in the world and then the four seasons spring summer
fall winter which uh you know we all go through those different seasons uh literally and then
also in our personal lives at different times of of our lives so um very excited uh um you know
everything is very intentional you know i hope everybody hope everybody, you know, read the four mega.
I think it's some of my best writing.
And, you know, the whole thing with being eternal was, again, you know, I started off by saying, you know, remember me.
You know, and it's a call that, like I say, resonates between all ages to every soul, to everyone.
Like, again, what are you doing to be remembered forever?
What are you creating?
What are you building? And, you know, when I stare at the pyramids, these are thoughts that go through
my mind. Like, am I doing something this great? Am I doing something this big? Am I doing something
that can last this long? So I do want everybody to know, like, that is really the foundation
and the heart behind this project. It's about, you know um doing something that can be eternal and um so so yeah
bro i'm excited as fuck to answer your question please shoot me off any question i'm ready to uh
explain everything uh again we got 44 archetypes we got a it's only 101 of uh of these archetype
uh again i want to stress like this collection is a very scarce collection
it's really it's you know people hear 4444 but it's really 101 of each archetype and there will
only be 101 for the rest of time and um within that we have a one-on-one archetype which is the
base larry because we all archetypes of uh you know every every race, every culture, every creed. And then we have uranium ones, you know, we have gold ones. And again, it will only be 101. So, and what I want to do with this
collection, what the archetypes look in different directions, it's a reflection of all of our
different perspectives of life. And I wanted to value that. I want to put real value on being a
human and what it means to be a human and what it means to be an exceptional human.
And that's what I want to push.
And so, yeah, bro, please shoot questions.
Let's get into the collection.
Let's talk about it.
Let's do it.
Yeah, let's go.
Well, first, let me just say I'm incredibly excited.
You know, I've been working with Polymath for over two years now.
We work together every day. It
doesn't matter when we were working at OCM or afterwards. I work with this guy every fucking
day. It's been a real honor to be able to work with him. I come from a pretty corporate background.
And so to get to work with somebody like Polymath, who is a self-made entrepreneur,
everything he does, he learns on his own. And the biggest thing about
Polymath that people who know him closely know this, he cares deeply about helping others.
And he's helped me a shit ton. Make no mistake, I came to this industry with a lot of skillset.
I have a master's degree in computer science. I used to work at Amazon. I'm not some Joe off the
street, but this dude
has fucking leveled me up in ways I can't even, you know, I can't even express in a few words.
And so I'm really excited to be his, his co-founder and the leader of the community,
the family that we're going to build with Bitcoin Eternals. Because there's, to my mind,
there's nobody better in this industry to do this with. And those who know me, you know my background in community building.
You know about what I did at Onche Monkey.
You know how I helped the Node Monks community, the Puppets community, the ARSEC community.
I was not paid by any of the people at Node Monks, Puppets, or ARSEC.
I did it because I care about this industry.
this industry. I am a holder in all those collections. And so I'm really fucking excited
I am a holder in all those collections.
to be doing this for our community now, our family. And I wouldn't have done it with anybody
else. I've been approached and it's no shade to anyone. I've been approached by a lot of people
to come help them to do what I'm doing as a co-founder here with Polymath, and I rejected everybody. Again, no shade on anyone,
but Polymath is my fucking guy, and he's the person that I have the most faith in
in this world. So I'm really excited. The best thing so far, there's a lot of great things that
have happened since we announced several weeks ago. We were at ETHath denver um we put our we put polymass art you know on the on the
fucking wall of that giant club that uh nolcha shows had for the opening night of eath denver
it was incredible people who didn't even know what it was for took their their cameras out
started taking pictures and videos um so there's been a lot of cool stuff that's happened but the
coolest thing that i've seen so far is people changing their PFPs to Bitcoin Eternals because they
resonate with the art. We launched a giveaway. I pinned it up to the top. You've got about,
I think, roughly around three hours. If you're interested to change your PFP, make a tweet,
tag us, and we're going to enter you into a raffle. We're giving away four Bitcoin Eternals.
And so it's just been really amazing to watch,
you know,
community of people that we've already known here for years,
but also a bunch of brand new people who they just resonate with the art.
They don't even know who me and Polymath are.
They're just finding the art and they're,
and it's,
and it's hidden.
So it's been really amazing to experience that.
Awesome.
Yeah,
that sounds really good.
And I,
I can only, I fully understand that you guys have so many thoughts on this thing.
Obviously, you guys had a long time coming.
You guys have been in the space for so long.
And as you said, helped so many other communities out with their projects.
I guess it's only time to do your own thing. Um, what is like the, the,
I, I wanted to, I would love to know like what the creative process is as this begins,
was it just like an idea you had, you guys had and like, um, you just then started working out
or was it something straight away? Like, no, it was, no, it was, it was, you know, this,
this started really back in
the pandemic like I said I'm a musician uh I'm a movie writer I'm an actor again I've always been
artistic my own life again I worked at the number one architecture firm in Las Vegas when I was
14 years old I just I had to literally got hired to got turned 14 because when the the
when the mentor wanted to bring me on, I was like a month.
I was 13 years old, not in like 11 months.
I had to wait a month.
So when he wanted to bring me, he saw like my drawings
and he saw my attention to detail.
So, nah, you know, but what happened in a pandemic,
like, you know, being an artist, especially a musician,
you get into this, not to say it in a negative way you you you get into this not to say it
in a negative way but you get into this cocky arrogant thing of like you know like kind of
talking your shit and just saying how you want things to be and and at some point you can lose
touch about reality and what everybody else goes through and when the pandemic happened it just
allowed me to sit in uh in my house. I got eight condos around the country.
It allowed me to sit in one place and just really collect my thoughts and ask myself,
what is really important and valuable outside of my own self is ambitions.
And so the pandemic allowed me to say, hey, if I'm going to die, what am I doing that's
hey, you know, if I'm going to die,
like, what am I doing that's really, like, making a difference?
really making a difference?
And I realized in that moment, like, you know,
I'm 50-50 just doing things just for myself.
And realizing that, like, I read the pyramid thing all the time
because it was in the pandemic where I said and thought, like,
damn, I will never be able to make something this great.
And the person who actually built it is forgotten.
Like, you know, they talk about Khufuufu you know they talk about it was a it was it was a tomb like we still don't
have actual undeniable unequivocal evidence of who fucking built it and it's like what was the
mentality of a person to build something so great that they didn't care to be remembered or not but
they did get remembered for it because it's still there. And so that's really what it started. It started in 2020.
It started where me want to create something that can include other people. I wanted to put the soul
of different cultures. I wanted to put the ceremonies, the religions, the customs, that when
you stare at some of these pieces, you know behind this piece, it's everything that those people embody and so that's really when it
started awesome yeah i i really like to love that and i i think um good law behind the project is
also like i i enjoy these things um very much obviously uh shrooms has like a lot of law in
the background i just think it gives the the pieces
and like the art a lot more substance in general so i i like that is there anything like specific
like any of these cultures you represent um like is is there any any one that like stood out to you
most or were you most interested in did you actually have to like yeah i mean i mean i
definitely i'm into like again even like the athenian that i rock you know you know some
greece again a lot of our western culture is built upon like the the democracy that they created
but you know i definitely love the you know you know the atlanteans uh if you if you go into
some of the ancient books in the cuniforms texts about how the world really came to be.
It's amazing when you really study history, how all coaches from all over the world talked about
some great flood, you know, some great deluge and what happened post of that.
It's really like unique. And when you look at like all the characters there's 44 archetypes and we got
everybody ranging from uh you know an atlantean all the way to uh a spaniard all the way to a
marshling um all the way to a giant all the way to someone from antarctica again we have an art
an artesian because you know i have every map on this earth saved on like a lot of my laptops.
I got about 20 of them.
But a lot of the ancient maps showed that, you know, that the land there was dry
and it had life and it was flourishing.
It was a brilliant place to be.
And like I say, I don't want the future to forget that that's happened
because I'm watching in real life right now a lot of stuff.
Like when I was a kid, we talked about the the ether and right now the new kid don't learn about
the ether when i was a kid we had to write uh you know regular english language and then also
cursive they don't teach cursive no more so i i watch in a matter of i'm not even 40 years old
i watch in under 40 years how everything can change and how the narrative can change
and how much can be forgotten.
And so one of the biggest purposes of this collection was to make sure certain things
never be forgotten because once the narrative changes, it becomes a narrative.
And so I saw all the narratives, even being my skin tone.
It's a lot of narratives about being my skin tone that
i just know it's bullshit and i watch it happens it's fake but it just it just goes on so so i
wanted to not only use bitcoin to put dope ass art because i want to make clear i think this
is some is the best art on bitcoin like that's what i believe and that's what i feel but i also
wanted to preserve other dope cultures and other dope
people that came before me. So like, even when you look at the Bitcoin graffiti odds,
you know, you know, that, you know, that's me paying homage to, you know, Basquiat. You know,
if you look at, at some of the backgrounds I picked, I've always, you know, tried to highlight,
you know, you know, dope, dope artists that inspired me. And even when you look at the
Four Mega, I've been definitely inspired by Georgeorge lucas in the star wars movies showing that how um like something
from a pure state when when i was questioning good and evil growing up and i saw anakin right
like he wanted to save his mom like his his evilness actually came out of saving his mom
and his mom died and then next he got the same dreams about his wife.
And he wanted to save his wife.
And it's like, I really love that it showed the blur there of.
He clearly from the rules should have never dated this girl because that was against the rules.
But a day during having a child, I picked between my child and my wife.
And that's when he ultimately went to the dark side.
And it hit me hard
right there right and so it's almost like you know when you watch Darth Vader it's like it's
like watching Jesus become the devil right it's like whoa and um you know and again I did want
to add that even to the four maker because uh you know I am uh I see myself as someone who's
standing on the shoulder of a giant and and and, and, um, I mean, so I read so
many books and I read a thousand books. It's, it's, it's everybody who's contributed to the world
that's made me who, who I am. And, uh, I wanted to put that on the Bitcoin blockchain in a cool,
unique way, in an abstract way, in a creative way. And, uh, yeah. So, yeah. Awesome. I love that.
Yeah. Um, there's, there's definitely like a ton of different cultures
represented like while you were talking i was listening um i was kind of having a look at all
these different um different traits you have as as like the the the people that are represented
right you have um not just the shading which is the runestones uh not that uh what was what was the skin stones exactly sorry
yes i knew it was some stone um no like the you have like the skin stones but like the humans
that are represented right there are like so many different cultures as you were saying and um i
think there are a ton of different things right and one of the things i
always uh talk about in ordinals is i think i always advocate having lots of different um ordinals
like collections just like different like art art styles right because you'll have something
for someone and that's that's really what we need right we need something for for that specific person
obviously we are in a niche and it takes time until you've built up all these different collections
but then you need a specific one for for for the likes of specific people and then again in this
collection i think here you're representing exactly that that you're having um a different a different trait for the likes of
different people and then obviously you have the the additions um with like the different color
patterns and all that but um i think that's that's really cool um did you did you already like have
all these different cultures in mind when you were thinking about this? Or did you also
research different things and you kind of found new law to new cultures, maybe?
Yeah, no, I've always been a history buff. I always studied behind the veil. I've read every
ancient book, like front to back, the Bible, the Quran, the teachings of the Tautics, the Buddha, the, you know, the cuneiform text, the ancient Sumerian text, you know, you know, like I've always been a history advocate of,
I always, since I've been a kid, I don't know why I've been like this, but like, I always try to see
what people did wrong to fail. And I always was constantly never trying to do that. I always try
to learn like, you know, like why did this happen did this happen and so and and i wasn't trying to
prevent you know bad things so like oh this person did this and like and then and then in my you know
pattern recognition the majority of people who do this kind of end up with this result and the
majority of people who do that end up with that kind of result and so obviously i went to align
myself with the people who patterns led to you know favorite like results right so uh like you
know a good thing said the best over me like you know this is over 20 years of culmination everything
i've saw been through experience plus learned over the time and all the people i've met and
that's what i tell people like i love crypto because like um even it's it's dope that donnie
on stage but like me me and donnie had one of the best conversations I've had had in my whole life up in New York.
At a diner in New York. Yeah, at a diner in New York.
We met up and we talked about some abstract things that the majority of people don't want to talk about.
But it's curious to us. We got to share a dope ass moment together.
And I'll never forget that. And it was it was it was amazing.
Right. And like, again, him come from two totally different backgrounds,
upbringings, the whole nine.
But, like, that day, you would have thought we was best friends because we –
like, the vibe, the synergy was just – like, was just there.
And so, again, that's something else I wanted to put in this collection that,
like, that is possible and that's real.
And so in all of the differences of the cultures, we all are still humans and we all are like a united culture.
And we live in a world where now the algorithm is about to kind of take over.
And the algorithm is about to tell us all what to believe and what to think.
And we need to be pure that like me and Donnie's connection up in New York is superior to anything into any
fucking algorithm to any fucking smart code and uh I wanted to put that in the in the foundation
of this collection yeah and I just want to say um half those books that Paulie Mack listed he
told me about a long time ago I thought he was just making it up to be honest
we all found out the good things
on Ready to Read their books.
It was January 10th.
I said, bro, as my partner in crime,
I need you to read more.
I can tell all of you guys,
he sat on the phone and lots of me like,
yeah, bro, you're right.
I sure read more.
He's not read no books in 2025.
I got to do better.
I got to do better. You got to be gotta be better yeah for real good things you definitely
need to read some more funnily enough i've actually that's been one of the things i've
really been working on in 25 i've actually been starting to read like classic literature
um i've been deep diving in that stuff and And actually, once you get into it, it's actually quite fun.
So I could only recommend doing that.
I also wanted to ask, what is the whole idea with the skin stones?
How did you get the idea that you wanted to incorporate this into the collection? Obviously, it's different.
So then just the usual traits you'd have right and the different
color patterns you'd deliberately decided to add this as one of like the main features of
the collection what's the what's the idea what's the background on um on that the idea there is
like is is again is is elements and ideology that we've even lost. We know about diamonds, rubies, emeralds, sapphires.
What if one of them don't exist no more?
Or what happened a thousand years ago,
instead of everybody making diamond wedding rings,
they were making some other gemstone that we don't know about because it's extinct because
that part of the world is underwater now.
Or that part of the world
suffered a natural catastrophe
or war and it's gone.
And so I want to highlight what was going on
in our time. Again, the point is, bridging
the past and the future, I want the future to
know what was valuable up in our time.
And so right now, I want to put the earth's
rarest metals and gemstones.
I think that they are the riches
of the earth. I think that they all
tell a story. They all pretty much
outlive all of us. You know, the
granites, again, diamonds,
you know, gold,
old Paul, you know, Detroit,
these things
outlive us all, and they all got a story to tell.
And all of us has wore some kind of jewelry at some point in time,
whether it's gold, whether it's, you know, again, a gemstone,
you know, throughout history, again,
these are like the decoration and adornment of the world.
So the earth clearly populated us,
but obviously like it has things that they think are beautiful.
It has things that symbolize what the earth think.
And so having Lapis Lazul and having Ruby and these things are just naturally beautiful that you can just go dig in a mountain and voila.
and voila, you go digging a mountain and there's an amethyst.
You go dig in a mountain and there's an amethyst.
I wanted to preserve what was cool gemstones and minerals in our time,
just in case in the future where the main place where amethysts come from,
you know, what if that's underwater in the future,
that people need to know that, you know, that this purple stone
that was like crystallized and pointed was a very beautiful thing that we all value at a point in time.
So, again, I did want to use Bitcoin as a way to preserve all of our history in addition to creating dope shit on Bitcoin.
Awesome. I love that. I think that's really cool.
Obviously, I think kind of preserving history is one of the things people back in the day oftentimes lacked, right?
I think people just wrote down shit.
They carved shit into the wall.
They created something.
But they never really thought about the longevity of the pieces they are creating necessarily, right?
I mean, maybe a small handful do.
But not all of them i think i think some
did and i want everybody to understand like like my my inspiration about like you know i saw the
pyramids i've been to the 16 chapel i've saw some of the best you know statues about hercules and
about the pharaohs and um there you know some of these same things are underwater as we speak
right and so it's some people that did some dope shit that's like deleted. We don't get to neglect the truth.
So I want to deliver the truth that the future generations can actually, when they have the time, to go back and research and look.
Hopefully they have better technology.
Hopefully they have better resources to go dig deeper into the things that's missing from us. And I do love that we're now in the age of Aquarius where more information and knowledge is
being, you know,
bespoke upon us so we can actually
learn more and know more
and be more. And I want
to put it on the blockchain, you know, for those
like I say, one of the, I'm not a
rich person, but it's a scripture in the Bible that I like
to say, he got an ear, let me hear.
He got out of sea, let me see.
And I think that's very powerful.
And yeah, so I want to highlight those things that's special and significant in our time.
That if you think about even like a diamond ring, right?
A diamond is not the most rare gemstone in the world.
So why do people pay the most money for wedding rings?
You should actually be trying to get a real emerald
or a sapphire or a ruby.
Why are not people going for that?
I'm asking you, Kenny. Answer me.
Well, I think diamonds are...
I don't know
too much. I know there's loads of diamonds
around, but they
kept the supply, but there's only
certain amounts of diamonds.
But I'm not sure why that
is necessarily the number one.
The answer is marketing.
It's marketing.
With this collection,
again, that's why it's no rarity.
All archetypes are valuable.
Every gemstone in this collection is valuable.
Good marketing has told, you know, bro, it's commercials in the 70s that you got four women at a table.
They're all in love with their husband, everything great.
And then the commercial says the one woman shows that her ring is bigger than everybody's at the table.
And so she tells everybody that, oh, clearly your husband don't love me.
You as much as my husband loves me because my ring is bigger.
And so it's good marketing. And so preserving these coaches on the blockchain, I can delete that good marketing shit.
Right. Like fuck like somebody who got enough money to paint a narrative that they want to paint, because they are in the business of selling diamonds, right, and so,
yeah, I just, like, again, and even with this, I want to take this moment, too, here, even, like,
again, I want to, I do want to shout out to Taproot Wizards, and I do want to shout out
our industry that we in, like, you know, again, Louis Vuitton do 15 billion dollars a year,
every fucking year, and they sell the same product everyon do $15 billion a year, every fucking year.
And they sell the same product every year, the same purchase every year.
And I think it's amazing that the taproot, you know, Widow team was able to, you know,
garner, create dope assets and raise what they raised.
Because $20 million is nothing in the grand scheme of life.
Like, you know, I really want our industry to grow.
This is small in the grand scheme of life.
You got Louis Vuitton.
You got Rolex.
You got Dior.
You got Balenciaga.
All these companies are doing billions, billions a year.
And our space that I really want to change has gotten to a place to where somebody make a million dollars
at the end of the world. If somebody make 20 million dollars, this is small. How do we grow
our oral industry with this mindset? Like we got to grow past this. And then even with the art that
I'm putting out, again, I'm building a luxury. I don't, if you're building cool pixelated art,
If you're building cool pixelated art, I salute you.
Salute.
We all have to be the same.
Some of us play basketball.
Some of us play football.
Some of us are tall.
Some of us are short.
We're building a luxury brand here on Bitcoin.
No one understands what a luxury brand is if you're not into luxury, which I completely understand.
But what we're doing with Bitcoin Eternals is being more.
We're doing everything at the highest
levels even if you look at the content that we put in the videos you look at the trailers if you look
at the logo if you go look at the inscriptions everything is to do more be better take this
industry to the next level that we can ultimately bring new people into our industry and and grow
ordinals so it can be doper and bigger.
But shout out to Apple Wizards.
We need more projects doing more.
We need more brands that's demanding that type of attention and everything that's going
on so our whole space can grow.
And shout out Steven Miller down there with his Behold collection.
Again, he's pushing the boundaries.
Art is super dope.
We got to change the narrative here.
And it starts with all of us
because all of us are like the four founders.
We are at the forefront.
It's all of us.
We're here now.
But go ahead, Kenny.
No, man, that's great.
I think that's, yeah,
you brought up a lot of great things there.
Is there anything else that you guys want to mention before you guys launch?
I mean, it's really close.
I would be super nervous on your guys' point,
like not even like because of market or anything,
but just because this is something that you guys have clearly been working on
for a long time, right?
This is like your own project.
It's different doing your own thing than helping
someone with theirs right and um yeah so like is there anything you guys are thinking about you
guys want the people to know before going in into that launch yeah yeah so i mean i would say um
there's always a level of like uh like all humans we experience the same amount of not same but we
all experience stress, right?
And so there's always stress when you're launching something important, whether it's a collection,
whether it's a product that a company you work for, whether it's whatever, right? So, you know,
we're definitely working our asses off, but we've been doing this the entire time. And I can say,
honestly, like nobody works harder than this man next to me on stage. So we're kind of built for this.
You know, like I grew up in,
like my career path has been one of,
you know, dealing with A players.
And so like, this is kind of like,
we've been building toward this for a very long time.
So we're not really nervous in that sense.
We're more excited.
And the one thing that I would say, i want people to know about the collection and and it it really is like a super rich collection i
highly recommend people to go to magic eden take a look at a gallery go through the archetypes start
start messing with the filters because you'll start to see like how what what incredible um
sought intention uh polymath put into this collection.
And you'll also start to see the scarcity that he mentioned.
It's really 44 collections.
There's 44 eternal archetypes, so 44 base characters.
And then over 2,200 traits were inscribed to create the 44 collections.
There's only 101 of each.
There's 44 one-on-ones in the collection.
And before you, I'm not going to cut you off, but the one-on-one, again, when we graduate high school, we go to college.
It's the first course we take, one-on-one.
It's about learning more, being deeper.
This art collection took me on a different path about self-reflection and, again, wanting to be more for the whole world.
more for the whole world go ahead bro but yeah one of the things i think we're really excited about
Go ahead, bro.
is you know we heard for a very long time and still to this day like people are looking for
a collection to make ordinals pump again to make it fun again we believe eternals is that collection
um you know people have been going through and just finding like little nuggets and things that
we're not pointing out to them.
And so we're watching in real time before the collection's even minted.
People are enjoying just collecting.
They don't own it yet, but they've got that collective spirit.
And I think what we're going to see is people really going for whatever it is that they identify in the collection.
We've seen this in Node Monks.
We've seen this in other collections to some degree, but I'm really excited to make collecting fun again with Bitcoin Eternals.
And I think, you know, I think what we're going to see is people just really gravitate towards
certain traits, certain types of archetypes. And we're going to watch rarity develop through the
community, which is the best way for any rarity to actually happen in a collection.
And then also, as a founder, like I say, I'm not going to say about nothing.
Again, I drive my fourth Rolls Royce every day.
I run boutique, bespoke businesses in RRL.
businesses in RL.
The events that we're going to throw for Bitcoin Eternals holders will be
nothing like no one has ever saw.
You know, I'm definitely here to take this industry to the next level and,
again, add a luxury element to it, which is through thought and intention.
Again, I do want all of our holders to understand, like, you know,
this is not some, you know, collection that you join and, you know, and the founders act like, oh, you know this is not some uh you know collection that you join and you know and the founders act like oh you know community community now we also want to build a
family but we also mean like like i say i want to i want to help create millionaires in in our
collection it's people up up in this current industry right now that they say things on the
timeline i'm a holder of literally almost 99 of everything and none of these founders have their
collectors back,
like they say.
And I do want to make clear if you are a holder,
a collector of Bitcoin internals,
you know,
the type of way you want to have access,
you know,
to me and having your back and any ideas you want to bring forth,
you know,
you know,
we don't go out our way as a team,
you know,
to highlight and magnify that for what you want to build.
We again,
like I said,
I always say we is better than me. I want to build as many great people as possible and be a part of
people who got riches. And riches is not money.
It's ideas. It's energy. It's effort.
So that's something else I want everybody to understand about the collection.
Behind this luxury brand that we're building.
Because like I say, RL, please come to Vegas.
Buy Eternal.
Come to the event.
It will be nothing like you never saw.
We're about to, you know, set a new precedent for what we do, how we interact, how we hang out, how we vibe, how we build, how we collect.
And that's what we're going to do.
And again, if you bearish on me and good things, you bearish on ordinals.
We're here to push ordinals to the next level.
And as far as we push ordinals, it's great for everybody in ordinals.
And that's one of my goals now, being a founder, is to take this whole industry to the next level, use all my resources, time and energy to to push our space to the next levels.
And owning a Bitcoin eternal over time will be one of the best plays.
You know, I'm listening to people act like the price high is very is is is literally cheaper than a designer pair of shoes is almost the price of some George's really not that much money it's really small um it's um and and and it's that way because the early people who who believe
we want to reward those people as they go on this journey as uh as we become the Rolex or
Rolls Royce of of Ordnance and uh that's you know that's what this is about awesome yeah I think
that's that's super interesting for everybody who's really
looking forward to this collection coming up on the 4th of april so guys if you want to be part
of the bitcoin eternals definitely pay attention to magic eden um that's where it's all gonna go
down um yeah really appreciate you guys for coming through i mean we've we've learned a ton um about bitcoin
eternals and um yeah it's been super interesting um diving deep on on the background of of this
collection guys we usually keep these spaces at around an hour hour and a half we we went a little
longer because we had guests on um big big shout out again to good things and poly really excited to see um their collection
coming out on the 4th next week get ready guys um yeah also big thank you for everybody who was
listening in today uh big shout out to snoop speed racer donnie obviously polymath and good
things as well and also also shout out to ski god things in Polly. If you guys want to say anything else to the people before entering next week,
of course, before I go, I really want to wish you the best of luck.
You guys have been around for so long.
I'm excited to see what you guys are going to cook.
So, guys, if you have anything else to add, then please go ahead.
Yeah, no, I just want to thank you, Kenny.
Yeah, I want to thank Ski God and really everybody that's been supporting us.
There's always going to be like bad actors.
There's going to be people who are detractors in this world.
I've dealt with it in every position I've ever been in, in any company.
Dealt with it in academia.
It's best to just ignore those people.
And that's mostly what we're doing. But I will say there are some people who, you know, innocent
or not, they are listening to people who are making accusations and allegations without any
bearing or evidence whatsoever. And I would just advise that, like, if we're going to grow this
industry, we cannot, we cannot, like, we can't adhere to these sorts of things. Right.
And so that's one thing I want to say.
The other thing I want to say is like, we are,
we are definitely long-term thinkers.
Polymath tells me all the time, there's nobody more patient than he is.
I would argue I'm just as patient, but I can't really,
I can't really argue that with him, but like, we are,
we are really here as long-term builders.
Those who know us know how long we've already been here.
They know the work that we've done.
But for those who don't know us, we're literally going to be here for the next 5, 10, 15, 20 years.
We see this as a multiple decades arc for this industry.
And the opportunity there is incredible.
I do have a LinkedIn profile. And the opportunity there is incredible. I do have a LinkedIn profile and
I do operate over there. And I've been talking to some people about some events that are planned.
And there's some major events planned in other countries that we've never seen like crypto
events. And these are going to bring in new people into the industry. And me and Polymath,
they're going to be right in the center of that with the Bitcoin Eternals community, the industry. And me and Polymath are going to be right in the center of that with
the Bitcoin Eternals community, the brand. And so like Polymath said, the pricing of Eternals
is intentional. Everything about the collection is intentional. And this is an entry point
into a brand new luxury brand built on Bitcoin. It starts on Bitcoin, but that's not where the
journey is going to end. Our goal is to grow this industry.
And to do that, we have to go outside the industry. And that's exactly what we're going
to do with Bitcoin Eternals. And ultimately, what I love is I've got so many DMs about how the art
has made people feel some type of way, mostly when they stare at it, when they stare at the different archetypes,
when they stare at the different backgrounds,
again, the creation of man, the Temple of Isis,
you know, some of the overlays, you know,
cuneiform texts, the Rosetta Stones,
you know, again, the Antarcticians,
you know, the Cro-Magnon, then the Anorthals.
Our whole history of human beings
is on display in a unique, distinct, abstract way, which is part of my artistic creativity that I wanted to deliver to the world.
Again, ultimately, no stone was left unturned.
Again, the Fort Mega was number six.
The time we inscribed it is like number nine now, still top ten.
We got a great, great grandparent.
And like, like we use Bitcoin as, as a canvas, you know, to do recursion.
If you go look at the metadata and the meta traits, you know, with the unlocks,
the metadata that we have on chain is few collections even have.
And, you know, ultimately like, you know, this is a, you know ultimately like you know this is uh you know taking bitcoin
to a new level you know we want i want to put art on bitcoin that can go inside the 16th chapel that
can go inside museums that can go inside some of the world's best art places and um i think
you know we've accomplished that i want to put statues on the blockchain uh because when i look
at statue art it uh it just uh
it leaves me in awe that you know somebody uh you know created it from stone and i and i wanted to
do that digital version online which i think uh i've articulated clearly uh again shout everybody
who changed their pfp shout about this excited excited like about the mint uh bitcoin is going
to continue to grow orders are going to continue to grow.
Orders are going to continue to grow.
And, you know, this is one of those, you know, projects you're going to want to be a part of.
It is scarce.
It's just only 101 of each, you know, archetype.
There's not a lot.
And when we build in community-wise, you will see things from our community that you have not saw from no other community.
And let's fucking go.
And that is what it's about.
And again, I do want to say, all you fucking founders out there, and I'm going to show everybody why I'm different than all you motherfuckers.
All you founders that, you know, assets are your community, are your collection, and you don't got the nerve to like or support,
I'm dumping all your shit postman.
And I know everybody down there in the audience,
I want everybody listening.
If you're a founder,
if you're a collector,
with Bitcoin Eternals,
we will value all of our holders.
We will value all of our collectors.
And we will never overlook you.
We will definitely, you know,
promote you, support you,
and any ideas that you have, anything that you build build and we're going to support all you founders that's
around here pretending like you care about your community but you're not supporting builders
that's trying to do dope shit i'm gonna put you on beam and again i want to make clear to every
founder every builder when you join uh you know bitcoin eternals we are going to give you the
support that you need well we are going to give you the support that you need.
We are going to do resources that we can't talk about in spaces. We are going to have one-on-one
means behind the scenes. We are going to build. I want everybody with a dream in their heart
and a goal. And anything I can do with your party, Bitcoin Eternals, if I can help you achieve it,
I'm going to give you my full attention, full respect, full effort. And all you fake founders,
I'm going to put you on notice because
I'm watching you guys. I own almost 99% of every collection in this space. And some of these
founders can't even like, you know, like a post. And again, we're going to change that.
We're building network effects. We're building a dope community. We're building a family.
We're building something that's never been built before.
And again, I'm putting everybody on Bing. Bitcoin Eternals is building more than just some on Bitcoin. We're building some RRL, which I'll talk about more post-Mint. But again,
what everybody witnesses here is something that they've never saw on crypto. They never saw on
Ethereum. They never saw on Bitcoin. Again, we'reereum they never saw on bitcoin uh again we building
a luxury brand that we're gonna be here 100 years from today we're building an eternal brand so i
name eternal all the fundamentals the integrity the building the artistry the coloring the again
when you look at the art people can lie to themselves they know they ain't seen nothing
like this on bitcoin they know we all. And this is what it's about.
I only want to inspire and encourage and motivate up and coming artists that you don't have to just
make one, one kind of PFP where you have one, you know, a standard thing and you build traits around.
No, you can make them look, you know, different directions. You can do multiple characters. You
can do multiple directions. You can cook different backgrounds. You can, you can build, you can do uh multiple uh characters you can do multiple directions you can cook
different backgrounds you can you can build you can be creative and that's something else I wanted
to to deliver and I want to inspire other artists to be creative like I want the new people to come
when they make collections not just be bound to you know just a p a pfp style I want people to
be creative and so again uh shout out to all the real
builders and the real people that's contributing to
the space. If you bearish on me
and me and good things, you bearish on
Ornos. We're here to push Ornos. We're here
to grow the whole ecosystem. Shout out
to all the real builders. Donnie,
Snoop Toshi, fucking
Udi, fucking Stephen Miller,
all the people that's trying to contribute
to us growing.
And yeah, but again,
this will go down as one of the best
collections ever in Scrapped.
And you know,
you can mint now
or be sad later.
Let's fucking go.
Let's fucking go. Well, guys,
thank you so much. You guys heard it here for vapral um don't
miss bitcoin eternals thank you so much for coming and um yeah appreciate appreciate you guys so much
big love have a good week happy monday see you guys
