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SKALE DEEP DIVE & GAME NIGHT!
Recorded: March 26, 2025 Duration: 0:58:20Space Recording
Short Summary
Scale is a network of layer one blockchains that offers innovative features such as zero gas fees, instant finality, and horizontal scalability. It employs a shared security model and proof of stake network, with the SKL token facilitating validation and governance. Scale's innovations, including native RNG, Oracle, and file storage, position it as a significant player in the blockchain space, challenging traditional layer two solutions. The network's growth is evident in its large gaming ecosystem and adoption of AI DAPs.
Full Transcription
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Welcome to everybody now watching on Twitter as well.
So if you come back and see this later, make sure to drop any questions in the comments.
We'll come back and answer those.
Or if you're just hopping in on Twitter right now, feel free to tweet at...
the great Axios on Twitter and we'll try to flag it or hop in to Discord and ask questions there.
Basically, this time is for you guys, for the community.
So what I'm saying is if you have questions, don't hesitate to ask.
There's no such things as a dumb question.
Again, our topic today is scale chain as a layer one, scale being a network of layer ones, things like that.
kind of everything within the L1 and scale topic.
So there's quite a bit to work through here.
So without kind of further ado, I'm going to go ahead and share my screen.
If that works okay, Falcourt.
Of course.
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Share slideshow.
No, that's not what I want to do.
I literally did this last week.
I guess we're doing it old school again because I am literally too stupid to use keynote.
Sorry, guys.
Going old school.
Maybe I should, maybe I should go to PowerPoint.
Maybe I'm just too stupid for all right.
Let me know.
Can you see that?
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Yes.
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Cool.
Let's zoom a little bit more.
No, that looks terrible.
Technically, inept I am.
Sorry, everybody.
All right, we'll go 100.
That just looks terrible though, doesn't it?
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What happens if I do this?
What does it look like to you guys?
That looks fine.
Do you see the big one or are you seeing the two slides?
I saw the only one.
Okay, perfect.
I think it's working and I'm just going to roll with it.
Yeah.
So, bring it back.
Welcome everybody to my technically inept show of sharing scale technology.
I apologize for technical difficulties.
I will learn to use keynote one of these days.
So scale the network of layer ones.
Let's start off with a quick deep dive into what scale is.
Scale is a network of layer one blockchains, fully EVM compatible,
built different to help you scale gaming, AI, Deepin, Defi, social,
pretty much anything you want to scale in the world, scale can do it. No, actually that is totally pun intended.
How does it actually do that?
Well, it's kind of dual-sided.
The first piece is it's really fast.
It has zero gas fees.
It's got those great invisible user experiences.
And it's got a whole bunch of kind of these bells and whistles.
I call them superpowers.
We'll talk more about those later.
And on kind of the flip side or the other side of the equation here,
it's many chains.
So you're probably familiar if you've been in blockchain
at this point for maybe even just a few months.
You're probably familiar with something we call monolithic blockchains.
These are chains like Ethereum, chains like Solana,
chains like Avalanche, et cetera, that are monolithic, right?
They have one main chain and they don't really scale too well.
And so on scale, we have many chains, right?
We can scale what we call horizontally.
So that's kind of my really quick, brief intro into scale.
And just because I cannot see Discord or any of the chat going on,
just want to make sure before I proceed, South Gordon-O, you guys can still hear me, okay?
We can hear you, but if you think you're presenting something, you're not.
Well, that's what I was asking earlier.
It was up, and then it disappeared.
Yep.
Oh, okay, hold on.
I thought it was on my side.
I could come Sunday.
Oh, that's terrible.
That's terrible.
Hold on.
Hold on.
How do you, I am technically enough.
All right, we're going back to the ugly screen share because I just,
I don't know, I don't know, team.
I clearly just, I clearly don't have technical skills to make a presentation.
All right, everything I just said was on this slide.
So there was really nothing to show yet, which is good.
Basically just that scale as a network of layer ones.
Again, I really apologize.
I'm going to practice this later with Thalcourt.
We'll have a lot of fun doing that.
On to the next slide.
assuming this will work. There we go. As I had mentioned previously, my name is Sawyer.
I am the head of developer success and the lead community developer, one of the lead community
developers for Scale. And you can see my little alien guy who I'm very proud of. If you want an
alien, let me know. We'd love to share them. I see quite a few of the aliens in the audience,
which are very exciting. What is Scale? As I kind of mentioned, Scale is a network of layer one
blockchains. These chains are called Scale Chains. Now,
What makes scale so different and unique and amazing, zero gas fees, right?
That's probably the biggest piece that we're known for.
And it kind of lends itself to a lot of the things that we can do, right?
The invisible user experiences, the incredible throughput, the scalability, things like that, right?
A lot of it stemmed it directly from the zero gas fees.
Now on top of that, we have something called instant finality.
We're going to dive a little bit deeper into that later.
but for now,
let's just leave it at the fact that
imagine you go to the store
and you want to spend some money,
right,
and you use a debit card.
A debit card is something where when you swipe it,
the money leaves your account right away.
And that's great, right?
Because you know, okay, I have the money or I don't.
Now, some person in the world decided to call up the concept of a credit card.
Now, the way a credit card works if you swipe it, but it takes many, many days to settle.
And it's kind of a nightmare for the banking system.
It's why things are so inefficient.
You can imagine most blockchains are kind of like credit cards.
They're very slow and very inefficient, and only a small percentage of the world can functionally use them because, well, it takes forever for the money to settle.
Whereas the majority of the world, transactions in cash and instant settlement options, aka debit cards.
Scale is kind of like the debit card option in that example.
When you do a transaction on scale, it settles instantly.
And that's really important.
Again, we're going to talk more about that later.
Now, other things just broadly on scale that are really important.
Consensus, it's what we call leaderless.
It's how we make the instant finality happen.
Again, we'll dive a little bit deeper into that later.
It is a proof of stake network specifically delegated proof of stake,
which is also my reminder to tell everybody, if you are a SKL delegator slash staker,
make a...
Make sure you go to the scale dial and vote.
There is a live vote right now for SIP2 to increase validator operator revenue.
And if you are a SKL holder and not yet a staker or delegator,
please go ahead and stake.
And then you can vote next time because you're not eligible to vote currently.
Moving forward, lastly, we have something called shared security.
And that's exactly what I want to kind of jump into next.
Okay.
So looking at a scale chain, and this image is probably really small because it was supposed to be bigger, because again, I was hoping for a bigger screen.
But essentially, scale chains, right?
What about them is so unique and special?
The first part is that when you think about a layer one blockchain, one of the hardest things about actually spinning up a new layer one chain is you have to not only...
find people who are willing to run this chain, right?
Because validators are what actually makes a chain functionally decentralized,
whether they're third-party validator operators in the sense of like your chorus one,
your figments, your block demons, right?
Your kind of big, well-known validator entities,
or whether they're solo validators at home,
People running the chain that's not the team is what makes a blockchain decentralized.
And that's what actually makes it a blockchain.
And so what's really hard about spinning up a new layer one is you have to think about,
well, how am I going to attract validators?
How am I going to incentivize validators?
How am I going to pay them?
What are my validator nodes going to look like?
What is the consensus they're going to run?
How am I going to, you know, if I'm doing delegations, how am I going to incentivize the delegators?
It's just kind of this laundry list of all these things you have to figure out.
And so when you think about a scale chain, right, so we're looking specifically at one chain
within the broader scale network, you have to kind of think about the fact that these chains
don't have to worry about that, right?
They don't have to worry about who their validators are.
They don't have to worry about what consensus they're going to use.
They don't have to worry about creating and issuing a token specifically for network security
and operations.
They don't have to worry about how to make it fast, right?
How to make it fast enough and have all these great superpowers.
They get all of that just because they're a part of scale.
So that in itself is one of kind of the biggest –
I would say one of the biggest unique differences that scale has to offer, even compared to networks like a Cosmos or a Pocoda or even an avalanche, a lot of those networks are, you know, very, very, I'll call them almost like generic in the sense that they're very unopinionated.
And yeah, it gives you a lot of flexibility as a developer, but you still have to do all these things, right?
So if you're a business, you have to set up all these things just to create your layer one.
Whereas on scale, you don't have to worry about these things, right?
It's almost like a, we'll call it like a batteries included model, right?
I don't know if anybody, you know, when you were growing up, you wanted a toy, and it was always very exciting when the toy was had the batteries included.
And they never do anymore.
They never do.
But scale does.
Scale does.
So like, what does that tell you, right?
Right? Like, I feel like that's like a very good, very good thing to think about.
Moving on, we're going to use the same graph on this next slide, but I want to talk a little bit more about the shared network security.
This is something that I think is probably one of our most under discussed topics and so relevant to how a network can actually be efficient and grow together in a secure manner.
The reality is, when you think about, again, a blockchain, right, an actual blockchain is not just a single computer running.
So I will call it out on a live forever. This can live forever. I'm not afraid to say it.
Layer 2s, 99% of the time are not blockchains because they don't have validator notes.
They literally don't even need to run like the EVM. Like you can literally take.
I could take a computer right now, spin it up on AWS.
People could send me information, and I could post it to Ethereum, and I'd functionally be rolling up.
Like, it is the same thing.
Sure, they do some compatibility pieces.
And yeah, some of them are doing some really cool stuff with ZK.
But at the end of the day, those are not decentralized blockchains.
And, you know, people say it all the time, oh, well, it's good enough.
You know, we haven't had any rollbacks.
You haven't had any security issues.
But my response is, well, we don't until you do.
And what happens the day you do?
Right? Like that's the whole point why we got into the space is we wanted to, you know, further a more open and decentralized internet. And L2s just don't do it.
So when we think about an L1, again, the hardest part about one of the hardest parts. There's many hard parts about creating L1.
One of the hardest parts about trading in L1 is who are your validators? What are they going to run? What are all the pieces involved here? How are you going to be, you know, unique and different and compete? Things like that.
And so when you think about a essentially new chain being spun up, you need to have all these validators, right?
And so in scale, we have what we call a shared validator pool.
And this is how chain essentially share security from the broader scale network.
So you can imagine if every single person in the audience today was running a scale supernode, right, a validator super node.
And, you know, Falcour said, hey, I want a scale chain.
what's going to happen is when philport goes to create that scale chain 16 of you are
randomly going to be selected to run falcore scale chain that's exactly how it works live on mainnet
today so 16 of you are randomly going to be selected to run the scale chain and when that happens
his chain is it's going to pretty much start running right like they're the nodes are going to
spin up the containers and from there they start running the software and boom he's got a blockchain
and it's a full-blown layer one because it has valeditors
It has true consensus and it's running itself, right?
It's not relying on somebody else to actually store the state and proof the state.
Now, the important part here is specifically when we start to look at the horizontal scalability,
this is really nice because we can have a theoretical infinite amount of chains.
Every week, the audience in this deep dive grows.
We're up to 40 people in here right now, which is really cool.
The first time I did this, we were like 2830.
right so we're growing like five six people a week and this audience keeps getting bigger and bigger
and so you can imagine every single week we actually have the capability to run more and more
scale chains right because we have more and more valid inner nodes in the audience at least in
my analogy
Now, looking at the actual assignment, right, you can make kind of the statement of, well, how is this secure?
Right?
If you're all sharing nodes, well, how do you know that, you know, node A is a good node or node B is a good node or, you know, this validator is good or bad, whatever it may be?
And the answer is through a random selection and a combination of what we call node rotation.
So this is maybe a little bit more technical than we traditionally go,
but it's really important to understand that these are the things that the actual team
designed and wrote in the white paper and then delivered on that exists today.
So when an actual chain a scale chain is created, right? What happens is the 16 nodes that are
selected to run a scale chain are randomly selected from this pool. You have no say in who they are.
You can't create a chain and say, I want node one through 16 in the validator pool. It just
literally does not look like that. You get 16 random ones and that's who you get. And that's a good
thing because that is literally decentralization at its finest. Now,
What happens if nodes aren't good?
What if they're not running fast enough?
What if they're not meeting the decentralized SLA?
What if they go down?
What if people start to become malicious?
These are things that can happen, right?
Again, it's trustless blockchain.
That is the point of decentralization.
When these things happen, we have something called node rotations.
So as a chain owner, you can functionally rotate nodes out of your chain because they're not meeting your expectations.
And again, that's also a really great thing.
It's the same thing with validator exits.
Let's say, you know, validator XYZ says, oh, you know, I don't want to be a validator of scale any longer.
It's no longer aligned with what my company does or, you know, whatever it may be.
Well, they exit out of the chain and new nodes rotate in.
Those nodes rotate out.
And so these are things that happen on the fly.
Right.
And as a user, you don't even know that it happens.
And that's really great.
Same thing as a developer.
You don't have to really worry about it, right?
Your chain just operates as it should.
Now, kind of double-clicking into the very last piece here once again,
and I'm just going to highlight this so you guys know what I'm talking about.
I just want to bring this up one final time because it's been a...
Common question that I've gotten quite a bit on the Twitter sphere from people around the SKL token and why there's buckets of inflation.
This is exactly why the SKL token is essentially minted or new tokens are minted every month.
So if you can imagine, right, if you are a validator and you're running, well, you want to functionally get paid.
And so the SKL token serves as the utility to be the reward token for everybody.
And so essentially, when you're a valider node, you get paid every month in this SKL token.
And so that's why there's this inflation every month.
But again, the unique part is you don't need to have this chain by chain.
So you can imagine, this is why functionally blockchain is very inefficient right now because there's
you know, new tokens popping up left and right, whereas scale doesn't need that, right?
We could have 10,000 scale chains and every single one of those chains, they could just
use the scale token, right?
Because by default, they are.
They don't need to create their own token.
Moving forward, and at any time, please send questions into the chat.
I'm keeping an eye on it.
I kind of just touched on the SKL token quickly, so I'm not really going to go too much deeper here.
Just a reminder that the SCAL token serves four main functions of the network,
validating, executing, and securing via the validator nodes,
and then also the rewards for validators and delegators.
A reminder that I use delegators and stakers and delegating and staking interchangeably when I talk,
just because a lot of times you don't hear people say delegate.
Scales delegated proof of stake network.
It means you don't actually stake directly.
You delegate to a validator who then takes your tokens
and stakes them for you.
So I use that interchangeably, but I really shouldn't.
Developer subscription fees,
that's actually what SIP2 is, which is live in the scale Dow.
It is basically raising the cost of those subscription fees
from $3,600 per month in USD paid in SKL to $7,200 a month.
Then lastly, the actual governance in voting.
Reminder, if you want to vote,
Make sure you stake your tokens slash, you know, delegate your tokens.
Scaleholders cannot just vote.
You have to be staked in their network.
Now, real quick, let's just double click on to the zero gas fees and gasless transaction piece,
because this is generally pretty relevant just in terms of the scale chain itself.
So a reminder, when we start to look at a specific scale chain, every scale chain shares these characteristics.
The first one is zero gas fees, which is, in my opinion, still one of the most incredible innovations
that blockchain has seen yet.
The fact that we can have zero gas fees and the chains...
don't just constantly go down from does taxes incredible not going to work um
That being said, it's also important to remember that you do have the option to use gasless transactions as a developer.
So those are two different things.
I'll do a kind of S-fuel, zero gas fee deep dive again.
I'm sure at some point in the coming months, it's a pretty popular topic that's requested.
But just a reminder that you as a chain owner or a user of a chain or developer have both zero gas fees and gasless transactions.
This is something native to each and every scale layer one blockchain.
Okay?
Okay.
Now, the native features, these are the superpowers.
I love the superpowers.
I think Falcor and Manow, you guys are probably both tired of hearing me say that by now.
It's probably getting cringy.
I apologize.
The reason is when I first got in the blockchain, scale was very new.
And a lot of this stuff wasn't really fully either fleshed out yet and or it worked,
but it didn't really have a lot of clarity on like use case because, again, it was just so early.
Yeah.
And so today, we've got developers using pretty much all of these features across the board, and it's really amazing, right?
Things like our native RNG, native scale Oracle, the native file storage, and the native bridge.
These are all things that every single scale chain gets by default.
And we can basically manipulate and choose, you know, functionally where and when to use them because of the fact that they're free.
Right. I know I see some developers in the audience here.
And so I'll be the first one to admit as a developer.
I'm super cheap.
I do my best to cut corners at every opportunity and never pay for anything, right?
Because, again, that's just like, it's just how I am.
I can't help out.
I don't know.
When it comes to developer compute, I don't want to pay for servers.
I don't want to pay for hosting.
I don't want to pay for bandwidth.
And so when you start to get these, you know, free kind of superpowers, these free features,
it's really amazing.
I don't know if anybody in the audience here has used chain link.
I do really like the chain link stack, so I'm not calling them out negatively.
But the one downside of chain link is every request costs chain link tokens, right?
And so it's very similar to gas fees in the sense of it's not efficient for high performance applications that want to make a lot of calls.
If you use, you know, scale native RNG or scale native Oracle, these are free.
You are prepaying for them with your scale chain.
And these are just features that are included, right?
It's kind of like when you go on like a software comparison website,
you see like, oh, here's all the things you get.
And then here's all these extra features at like the enterprise tier or like the gold tier.
Scales like the gold tier.
You just get everything with that prepayment.
And that's by design into the part of the call that everybody probably actually showed up for.
Thanks for bearing with me through my 15 minutes of scale chain technology spilling.
Very important to me.
Layer 1 versus layer 2.
I am bringing this super high level and going to walk through some pieces.
And this is all based on public information from other people.
So layer 1 versus layer 2.
What is a layer 1, decentralized?
It has a validator network or at least multiple parties running it, right?
And it manages its own consensus in state, aka transactions settle on that chain.
You're not relying on somebody else to kind of backstop you or, you know, deal with your final settlement.
A layer two is literally just the polar opposite, right?
Or I guess you could plug in layer three there because a layer three is just a layer two that rolls up to a layer two.
What is a layer two or layer three?
Generally, they're highly centralized.
Yes, there are some teams that are doing some decentralized layer two pieces.
I'll call out, for example, like the Tyco...
I think it's the Taika-Gwyneth team, right?
They're doing like based roll-ups.
Functionally, if you look at it, it's more decentralized than most of the others.
But at the end of the day, it still doesn't have validators, at least not right now.
It's still highly centralized, even though it, you know, is based, which I still hate that word.
That being said, the key distinction is that it relies on Ethereum or some other chain for consensus and settlement.
In today's day and age, Ethereum is actually, in my opinion, kind of getting...
you know, it's like parasitic killing because what's happening is these chains are basically
they're raking in the revenue and they're only paying a fraction back to Ethereum. And then a lot of
them are actually leaving Ethereum for like Alt-D-A options like Eichen DA and Celestia and stuff like that.
So the reality is, that's the difference in a layer one and layer two. So looking at it,
I think it's pretty clear to see that, oh, well, yeah, scale is definitely a layer one.
well now we get into the most annoying definition of all time put forward by the
aetherian foundation which is a side chain side chains were something that somebody came up with
in like 2018 and that's because at the time
there was only really one layer one.
It was Ethereum, basically.
Like that was it.
You had a couple other small ones,
but they were like the early Alt L ones.
But really,
everybody was still trying to benefit and work with Ethereum
because Ethereum was the most decentralized
and open to working with different people.
Well, unfortunately, what that led to is, you know, you have Polygon, who is legitimately a layer 2 and a side chain.
And the reason is because they post state proofs back to Ethereum.
So they are state checkpoints.
So every like 30 minutes, they post state back to Ethereum for like final settlement, even though they do have validators.
Whereas scale, if you go on the Ethereum Foundation website,
scale is actually listed under the side chain section,
even though it is not a side chain,
because originally the belief was that if you have a bridge,
then you are somehow automatically a side chain
because you have a bridge to Ethereum.
Well, the reality is,
Avalanche has a bridge to Ethereum,
Tahn Network has a bridge to Ethereum,
a whole bunch of chains have a bridge to Ethereum.
So why are they all L1s and scales a side chain?
Yeah.
The reality is that if you go and look at the Ethereum Foundation website under the L2 section,
they're becoming more and more centralized at like the entity level.
And it's really a shame.
And the reason I say that is because...
If you actually read their L2, read up, like right up on the Ethereum Foundation website,
which I went and validated this again last night.
I actually tweeted about it.
There's a specific section that says Ethereum believes the only way to functionally scale the L1
and scale Ethereum in a secure way is through layer two roll-ups or through layer twos.
And so from a decentralization standpoint, like, yeah, it makes sense that they're pushing
for their own solution.
But...
Scale is an alternative scaling solution to EVM.
And it doesn't get any daylight, any visibility in the scaling solution world because
Ethereum says, well, only L2s and only really roll-ups are what we want to push.
And so I think that kind of miscommunication is not great for kind of decentralization
at the Ethereum level.
That being said, why does decentralization matter?
And I think again, the answer is like it does because what happens when you're not?
Right.
So we've seen, you know, we've seen L2s kind of go down.
I don't know if anybody tracks fuel network.
I, for some reason, Twitter thinks that I want to see what's going on at fuel.
So they always send me stuff.
They were down for, I think it was multiple days the other day, just because their centralized
sequencer was down.
Right.
you can claim, oh, L2s are the scaling solution,
but what happens when the single server goes down?
Decentralization matters.
Same thing with finality.
Finality is a really interesting kind of exploration piece,
but it's a question of, well, what happens when the finality isn't instant?
Right? So, for example, finality on block times on Solana are 400 milliseconds.
Block times on scale are one second.
And so we have a lot of people say, oh, well, Salon is faster.
Sure, in terms of raw block time speed, it's great.
But at any given time, there's only one person who didn't control of Solana, one validator, because that's how their consensus operates.
And then they have generally about a 12 to 15 second window for finality, whereas scale is instant.
And so it's a question of, well, what's important in this world of decentralization?
And again, I think that the reality is it's a combination of these pieces.
You have to be fast, but your finality also has to be good.
You also have to be sufficiently decentralized.
You have to have good validators. You have to have good economics.
It's kind of a number of these pieces, right?
And so I think the reality, right, and I feel like I keep saying that a lot, the truth is that
decentralization matters.
Right. If you are hanging out in the cryptosphere, in the in the in the blockchain industry,
and you are building centralized things, then you are not contributing to moving the space forward.
You are being detrimental. That's just that's my opinion.
Kind of wrapping up here, just a quick reminder, scale has one of the biggest gaming ecosystems in blockchain.
Additionally, as of right now, I think we still have about four or five of the top AI DAPs per DAP radar.
We also have seven games on the Epic Game Store.
So basically, from the DAP side, crushing it.
We also have quite a few scale chains live in production, and I'm excited to share that there's quite a few people actually exploring scale chains.
So I think we'll see more in the future.
If you want a scale chain, like if you are a company and you are actively exploring buying or creating an L2 or doing roll up as a service, please DM me, call me.
send me an email, send me a piece of real mail.
Like, I don't care, whatever it is.
Just come get a scale chain and don't go use a roll-up.
Please just have an actual blockchain.
It'll make me very happy and stop making me go crazy.
But that being said, again, if you want a scale chain, please reach out to myself, reach out to Falcourt, reach out to MML, reach out to...
you know, Ben or Dante or Connor or Alex,
but reach out to anybody in the scale ecosystem or team.
We will help you get a scale chain.
Again, it's decentralized network if you want one,
and you can functionally pay into the decentralized network.
You can have one.
That being said, it is time for questions.
I'm going to leave this screen up for about 60 seconds,
and then I will shut it down.
That way, Falcour, you have plenty of time to prepare for our transition
back to just the three of us having floating heads on the screen.
I know I've ripped through a lot of information in just about 20 minutes.
But the, yeah, feel free to start throwing your questions.
Then I see one from the individual, the Nate Pirates all kind of work through those in a moment.
Just a quick recap for everybody on that.
Scale is a network of layer one blockchains.
It is not a side chain, right?
It's not a network of side chain.
It is a network of layer one blockchains.
The side chain definition just is not relevant
according to what is considered alt L ones these days.
So it doesn't make sense.
We are a network of layer one blockchains.
That being said, we don't roll up.
We're not a roll up.
We were never a roll up.
And we still have functionally the
pretty much the most performant layer one EVM technology in the world that is live in production.
And it's getting faster.
So, yeah, I'm going to go ahead and kill my screen share.
Transition.
All right.
Sorry.
All right.
So let's start working through these questions.
Scale has its own token.
Yes, it is called the SKL token.
It is available on...
I think at this point it's like over 50 centralized exchanges kind of all over the world,
as well as available on uniswap on Ethereum and sushi swap on scale Europa.
So you can find it at any of those places.
The benefit of staking on validators is that you are helping secure a decentralized network,
and in return, you're being paid for it because that is functioning how proof of stake models work.
So it's essentially a, if you want to be a part of the network,
Speaking gives you the ability to help with the security.
You earn because delegators get the majority of those rewards back.
And at the same time, you are also eligible then for the governance.
So you can basically vote, right?
You can have a say in what's actually going on in the economic world of scale, which is really cool.
Different validators have different minimum stake requirements.
You'll see that on the scale portal, or if you go, you know, do it on the ether scan and blockchain side.
They all have their own minimum stake requirement.
If it's zero gas fees, how does it keep working?
So that's where the unique pricing model comes in.
So in a traditional blockchain, essentially a...
A validator is paid primarily through a combination of inflation, if it's proof of stake, and gas fees are trained at auction fees.
And so it's kind of a little bit of both.
When there's zero gas fees, the way that works is the chains are prepaid.
So right now, right, if you, for example, wanted to say, if you came and said, hey, I want a scale chain for, you know,
the month of April, and I want to run a scale chain now, you would have to pay in, you know, at least $3,600 into the scale chain pricing model to basically spin up that chain for April.
That amount, technically according to governance, it's actually the first and last month you're supposed to pay in, so it's $7,200, and that number will double with the passing of SIP2 if it passes.
So essentially, validators are paid through chain payments and inflation, because inflation is continuing to decrease every month.
Now, what's really important to understand, and this is why scale is one of the only blockchains in the world that is quite literally built for...
long-term sustainability is as inflation continues to reduce,
scale chain payments should continue to increase.
And the reason for that is at some point,
the scale chain payment bucket will actually get split.
A portion will remain with the validators, but a portion will go actually back to the
delegators as well, aka kind of similar to the bounties.
And the reason for that is, well, how do you continue to incentivize stake with inflation
decreasing everywhere?
I think this is something we see on a lot of networks is they're not really sustainable
without their inflation, but they want to reduce inflation because there's, you know,
people complaining about too high inflation.
And so this is where scale is, again, uniquely designed to solve this in a long-term
sustainable standpoint.
Inflation will continue to go down, but scale chain pricing will continue to increase toward the target value long term.
Yes, scale chains are all fully EVM compatible.
This means your favorite wallets like Metamask, Rabby,
I don't know what other things to people use.
Wallet Connect, all that good stuff for the most part.
Pretty much just works out of the box.
Some wallets that are centralized and built by third parties are, of course, not always supported.
We do our best to make PRs to anything that's open source.
If at any time you want support for something and you can't make a request for it, feel free to let us know.
Again, we'll do our best to help get it.
Woodskill have its own specific wallet.
Okay.
Fun fact, about three and a half years ago, I built a scale wallet.
Unfortunately, I never got a chance to release to production because while building things...
takes money and I had to pay bills.
But Fland's been in the audience today was actually one of the early testers of my wallet.
If I don't say so myself, it actually wasn't a half bad wallet.
That being said, as of today, there is no plans from my knowledge for the scale team to build its own wallet.
However, if somebody in the community wants to build one, I'm more than happy to support you because I would love to see a scale wallet be really cool.
What happens if one scale chain faces downtime?
Does it affect others or the network as a whole?
The answer to that is no.
If the scale chain faces downtime,
it's a question of why is the scale chain facing downtime?
it's because nodes are down or malicious.
There's a chance that it could affect multiple scale chains
because if you think about the actual design of the scale network,
a scale validator super node is running multiple scale chains and containers.
So if the validator super node is impacted by something,
it can impact multiple chains.
But because the scale chain is,
every scale chain runs a Byzantine fault-tolerant consensus,
what it means is that,
Up to five virtualized nodes can go down, be malicious, be unsinked, be slow at any given time,
and the chain just continues to run.
Now, here's what gets really cool about scale.
If more than five nodes are unavailable, malicious go down, etc.,
the chain does not break and go down.
It doesn't require a rollback.
It doesn't require a full restart.
The rest of the nodes continue to broadcast and work together to try to build the chain.
As soon as the 11th node comes back online, the chain just picks up where it's left off.
So fun fact.
the odds of basically 16 nodes going down is like infinitely small.
Yeah.
Very, very, very small.
But the answer to your question is it does not affect the network directly.
It's purely on a node-by-node basis.
Is there a maximum cap on SKL token?
And what happens once that cap is reached?
Yes, the maximum supply cap is $7 billion.
Right now we're at like $6.1 billion in change.
Once it is reached, no more tokens are minted.
So again, what happens is when that happens,
there will be no more inflation occurring from bounties.
Right.
So every month, you as a staker,
functionally get paid in new tokens, right?
New tokens are created by the validators
through the smart contracts,
better than issued back.
And so when we get to that point,
which we have quite a few months,
I think it's like another,
I feel like it's like many years down the road.
I feel like it's like five years or something like that,
at least.
When we get to that point,
scale chain pricing will increase to meet that deficit. So functionally right now, if you think about it,
there's 20 million tokens being issued out per month. That's going to keep getting smaller and smaller
until it's functionally zero. And as that happens, scale chain pricing continues to go up and a portion
gets split back. So that's essentially what will happen to the bounties.
Blockchain technology helps mitigate the effects of inflation.
That's more of a financial question, so we're not going to answer that because I think that's more of a like a macroeconomic piece.
Can scale zero gas fee model, improve blockchain adoption for DAPS? Absolutely.
As we kind of talk about, creating invisible experiences is what drives adoption.
I'm sure every single one of you here is a user of probably more than one media social platform.
I mean, you're here on Discord.
The question is, do you know what data center you are currently streaming this from?
Are you streaming from AWS? Are you using Google Cloud?
Are you using Azure? Are you using Hezner or using Linode?
I don't know, there's a bunch of companies do it.
Anyways, do you know what data center are using?
And if so, do you know if you're paying by the second?
Are you paying for every second that you watch us?
Are you paying every time you send the message in the town hall?
That's the power of scale.
Discord could build Discord on scale and we can make it happen.
That's the power of scale.
You can't do that on a blockchain where you have to pay every second, every transaction.
The reason is even though, yes, you can use account abstraction to hide the gas fees,
somebody's still paying for it.
And the problem with gas fees is, and it's not so much about paying the gas fees anymore
because again, account abstraction and gas abstraction have come a long way.
The reality is that when you actually think about the Foss associated, gas fees are variable.
So what happens is if every single one of you try to send the message at the same time, they'll all go through.
Because again, there's no cost, right?
But on...
you know, a Ethereum or an avalanche or a polygon or a Solana,
if everyone's trying to send a message at the same time,
the cost of the message is increasing and it's going up.
And so what happens is that at some point it becomes not feasible to actually use the chain
and you say, well, I don't want to use this.
And so, you know, at that point, developers leave and go elsewhere.
So functionally, it's not really feasible to build these types of applications on other chains.
What benefits the scale offer to NFT creators looking to mint and manage tokens that are incurring high cost?
The answer is you can mint NFTs for free.
I will say the caveat here is that scale chains are sent me permission, so you do need to request access to deploy an NFT collection.
However, if you're interested in deploying an NFT collection, just shoot me a DM.
I'm happy to help you figure out the best way to go about that.
We've got a couple of chains that might make sense.
Additionally, I'm working with some community members right now on some NFT-focused utilities and UIs and stuff.
So we always have options.
But that's a great question.
Please, creators come.
We want more creators.
I think I answered all of them.
I love these questions.
Keep them coming.
Keep asking questions.
That's a great question.
How does scale pooled security model ensure the safety of individual scale chains for enterprise applications?
So this is really interesting.
The answer is when you are thinking about building a –
enterprise level application.
You know, I think what we have to think about is most enterprises farm out and contract out quite a bit of the work in a lot of cases, right?
Everything from the...
the hosting, to the building, to the architecture, to the marketing, to the design, right?
Yes, a lot of these companies do have in-house teams.
When you start to get really big, you can't always source full-time people for everything.
And so it's really cool is if you think about a scale chain, right, an enterprise can essentially
pay for a scale chain.
and not have to worry about it, just working.
And I'm going to put just working in quotes, just working.
We should trademark that.
It just works, right?
They don't have to worry about scaling up.
Again, no, partially pun intended.
They don't have to worry about fault tolerance.
They don't have to worry about rollovers when nodes go down.
They don't have to worry about, you know, handling,
distribution of data availability.
They have to worry by any of that.
It just works for them.
Additionally, the actual security model of the shared pool
means that they don't need to worry about
handpicking people they trust.
The idea behind a decentralized blockchain
is it is trustless compute.
You are essentially incentivizing the validators to be good.
And because of that, you don't need to worry about trusting them.
You're trusting the consensus of the network.
And so all validators functionally have the same security concerns and tradeoffs.
Because it's a Byzantine fault tolerant chain, you don't have to worry that a few of them might be malicious or go down and be unavailable.
which is again a fantastic option.
Additionally, something really cool for people to be aware of.
We can add more chains or more nodes to a chain.
It's not in the current design,
but it's functionally not too crazy to see a world
where we have scale chains with 32 nodes or 64 nodes or 128 nodes
or 1,000 nodes.
Sure, we take maybe take a hit on finality or performance a little bit,
we can greatly increase decentralization.
So we do have different levers like that that can be pulled within the actual architecture of the network.
Are there different pricing tiers for DAPS to run chains with different compute or storage needs?
As of today, all of the chains are functionally what we'll call the same size in the sense that they're all the medium chain.
Or we do have the option to introduce smaller and larger chains that could be at different price points.
This is something that is being driven primarily by chain chains.
owner demand in the sense of if we can get a few people to come in and say, hey, I would like to buy a scale chain, but I don't need this much compute. I want these tradeoffs and these resources instead. That's something that I think makes a ton of sense to push through the governance route. However, at this time, I'm still on the hunt for enough developers who actually want to buy their own chains with that small model. I don't want to do it just to do it because it does require
resources from the scale team and I would prefer them to be able to continue to build the network forward until we have sufficient demand for something.
However, I'm just one person. If you disagree with me, head to the forum, forum.combedo network and ask for it.
It is a decentralized community. I'm just doing my best to help work with everybody to push it forward.
Also on that front, something really fun.
As of the 3.1 rollout, which has been live, I think now since
January.
Yeah, January, early January, I think.
We now have the ability to tweak what type of, basically where the resource is in a scale chain can go.
So there's three pieces of a scale chain that your storage state can be allocated to.
One is contract state.
One is consensus DB and one is file storage.
We now have the ability to...
increase or decrease different allocations for different things.
So for example, on a new scale chain,
we could have no file storage,
very little consensus DB and max contract state.
That'd be really great for a fully on-chain game.
It means you have to run an archive node sooner,
and you have no file storage,
but for most people, it's probably okay.
It's actually my generally recommended new setup.
For maybe a creator chain, maybe you don't really have a ton of transactions,
but you really want to use scale file storage.
So you could have 90% given to scale file storage or 80% given to scale file storage,
and very little to contract state, very little to Consensus DB, which is where the blocks are.
So we have the ability to basically make those tradeoffs within the actual spin-up of a node.
Once I'm reading,
How do you integrate MetaMask with a front-end application for blockchain transactions?
You can do that in a couple ways. The simplest
or let's not call it the simplest let's call it the most bare metal option is you can utilize the
window dot aetherium object in the browser so that would be available in javascript and you can actually
call the methods directly through that that's something that when you have an uh an in what's called
an injected wallet like a metamasker or rabbi basically window dot ethereum magically shows up in
javascript and you can basically use it um
Otherwise, I personally tend to lean on Rainbow Kit and Wagmi and VM.
That's kind of my go-to.
And then Metamasky is just kind of one of the defaults that they basically take that bare metal,
winded out of Theorem object and wrap it for you and make it nice and pretty.
And, you know, it's nice React Hook stuff like that.
So really depends on how you want to go about it.
But there's many options there.
What are the potential trade-offs of a zero-gallsy blockchain model?
The trade-offs are compatibility, in my opinion.
So one of the things that I unfortunately do get quite a bit is providers who come and say,
hey, we don't necessarily want to support scale right the second, or it's going to take us some
time because our smart contracts were built to use message. Value and Solidity to take payments.
It's very common with infrastructure, bridges, stuff like that.
that they use the native gas token as part of their model.
And I would say can definitely become a little bit of a tradeoff over time
because you do lose compatibility with some of those people.
Otherwise, I really don't see a reason why I don't see a reason why most
Other things would really be considered a trade-off, especially because at the chain level,
we do have what we call scale hubs.
So even if you can't necessarily afford your own scale chain, you can go on a scale hub
and pay for a fraction of that chain.
So it's almost like using a standard L1, just still without the gas fees, right?
So I would say really compatibility is probably the only like trade-off.
But in most cases, we've been able to work around it.
So generally not too bad.
What pros and cons does scale have compared to other layer one solutions?
Pros pooled security, sustainable economics, zero gas fees, native on-chain RNG,
BLS threshold encryption with supermajority leaderless voting, native Oracle, native file storage,
horizontally scalable by default, native bridge to Ethereum, native bridge between chains.
I'm probably missing some, but you could tell there's a lot.
Speed, like I said, we're pretty much the fastest EVML1 in blockchain,
both in terms of TPS and raw through, in raw finality.
Cons compared to other chains, other L1s,
I would say the only con would be that with the pooled model,
sometimes it can be,
a little bit difficult when someone comes in and says, hey, I want to choose who my nodes are because of our pooled security model.
That can be, I wouldn't say it's like a technical con.
It's by design.
But you do have people who come in and say, oh, I want to do like node sales and stuff.
And you can't really do that on a scale chain.
But again, overall, I would say we're pretty pro heavy and very on light.
Like.
There's a reason that I love to talk about scale.
It has the best tech.
It's a true innovation.
Important call out here.
Scale is not just a fork of like,
Ethereum, right?
It is the actual core C++ client was originally forked from the
Adeleth code base, which is the original C++ implementation.
However, the scale team heavily modified and is now the primary maintainer of it.
But if you go and look at the scale network, which is all open source on GitHub,
it is not a fork of Ethereum and just kind of like a, oh, let's spin up a new chain.
It is truly innovative technology.
And that is what is so exciting.
One of the things that sounds so exciting.
Are scale chains susceptible to the same attacks as standalone L1s or do they inherit protection from Ethereum in some way?
A little bit of both.
So...
Every chain functionally has some of the same attack vectors,
things like DDoS attacks, things like RPC overload,
contract address poisoning, like kind of all the basics.
Some of those are protected inherently within scale.
So there is custom DDoS protection built into scale.
Again, we do S field metering stuff like that.
Additionally, the permission layer on a scale chain allows you to protect against
address poisoning, stuff like that.
So that's all really great.
So how does it inherit protection with Ethereum?
It's through the use of what we call scale manager.
So scale manager is kind of like the brain of scale.
So scale chains, when they actually want to be spun up, they go through what we call
Scale Manager, which is a set of smart contracts on Ethereum.
You basically say, hey, I want a scale chain.
It gets created.
And then the nodes look at all the validator super nodes, look at Scale Manager and actually
use it to be selected and spin up themselves and all that good stuff.
Essentially, when that happens, we are inheriting security from Ethereum because to actually
manipulate the orchestration of nodes in the scale network, you'd have to manipulate Ethereum or whatever L1 scale manager was hosted on.
So we do get some protection from Ethereum in that way.
But generally, I would say most of the attacks are fairly like, it's less L1 attack and more just like networking attack.
How does the skills governance model address potential conflicts between developers,
validators, and delegators over chain pricing and resource allocation?
That might be the best question of the day.
Thank you so much.
Really, really great question.
How does skills governance actually work?
And it specifically comes down to the voting model.
So the voting model, we have what's called delegated voting, but it's not delegated where, I mean,
we actually might have this.
I haven't tried it because it's kind of not really, I don't like the model.
I think we can turn it off if we need to.
There's, it's delegated voting based on your delegations.
So specifically our voting is literally one to one with our state collateral.
So for example, if Falcor has 10 million scale tokens,
Monell has 5 million scale tokens, and I have 2 million scale tokens,
and we are all delegated to validator XYZ,
if validator XYZ votes on a proposal, right,
they go to a vote and they vote yes,
and they have 20 million scale tokens, right?
Because they have a full valider node.
They vote yes.
All of our voting power is used in that vote.
But where things get really cool is if
Falcour, Minnell, and myself come back and say no.
We don't agree with this.
Our votes will go no.
Their 20 million will get reduced down to 4 million and 16 will go to the no.
So the delegators override the validators.
This is really important for two reasons.
One, we recognize when doing research for governance that most delegators and stakers don't show up to vote most of the time.
And that's okay.
We're not asking you to sit there and watch scale like a hawk.
And so that's why your voting power automatically gets delegated to the validator who they can then vote with the entirety of it.
That's why it's important for our validators to show up and vote.
But our model is specifically designed so that the person who actually controls the tokens has the final side.
If you disagree with your validator, your tokens are the ones that your vote is the one that counts, not theirs.
So essentially, if only Falcour comes in and Vowell and I don't vote, and Falcour votes no, but the validator votes, yes, it would be a 1010 split.
the validator would have 10 million yes and then falcour would be 10 million no and his 10 million
would get reduced to the validator so that's functionally how we have the um that as far as the
developers it's obviously you know great for developers to uh receive grants and things many developers
from my knowledge have received grants over the years and some of those have been um they've
been able to capture and become co-owners of the network which allows them to participate in this
voting additionally we need developers paying
That's just the reality, right?
Like revenue is positive.
And so if we want to increase chain pricing, but all the developers come back and say,
hey, hey, we can't afford this.
We probably shouldn't go through with that, right?
Because if they all leave, then there's zero revenue.
A little bit of something is a heck of a lot better than zero of nothing, in my opinion.
And so it is definitely a balancing act between all the entities and the network and all the constituents.
But that's kind of how we balance the actual voting and the direct conflicts between the delegators have final say.
So that is why it's very important for you to stake your tokens because you have the final say.
If you don't agree, make sure your voice is heard.
Additionally, so far we've been pretty unanimous with our governance proposals, but as we move forward in the economic structure changes, we're going to get to a point when people start to disagree.
The important part is when we go and have disagreements, if things don't pass, it doesn't mean that we don't do them.
It just means we have to have deeper conversations.
And again, for everybody that is not aware or who comes and watches this later, my name is Sawyer.
I am one of the lead community developers for the scale network.
And what I do is I help with the governance and I help represent all sides of the community.
I work with the validators.
I work with the core team.
I work with the foundation.
Work with the delegators.
And I work with the developers.
I am not a member of the scale core team.
I am not a member of the scale foundation.
I represent the community in all aspects.
So just want to make sure everyone's clear on that because it is super important.
So I'm here to help.
If you have things you want to do, just reach out to me.
I'm happy to help you move those forward to the best of my ability.
Just a heads up.
I do need to hard stop in a few minutes.
I apologize.
And I know we're also probably cutting into game night here.
So really quickly, I will close this out.
And I will answer the rest of these questions, async.
Please keep the questions coming.
We'll continue to answer them.
For some reason, we miss your question.
Make sure to come and tag me in Discord or on Twitter.
But again, I'll go through and try to answer these ASync.
Once again, thank you so much, everybody, for joining.
Thank you, Manel for your support in the chat.
And Falcour, as always, for the fantastic live stream.
This was an incredible deep dive.
I love the questions.
Make sure next week to invite your friends.
I'd love to see us get up to 50, 60, 70 people in here.
and I will be posting the topics that we can vote on next week
for what next week's deep dive is going to be sometime tomorrow morning,
PST.
So keep your eyes peeled on my Twitter.
Thank you so much, everybody.
Really appreciate it.
Stick around for the game night.
Bye-bye.
