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SKALE Developer Showcase: Episode 1
Recorded: Feb. 26, 2026 Duration: 1:19:22Space Recording
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What is up everybody? We are live!
We are doing Scales' first ever developer showcase!
With me, we have Mr. Manel. How you doing man?
Oh great! Yeah, pretty excited to do the first episode of this series.
It's like, we have the most incredible developer, so yeah yeah it's pretty easy to do this kind of uh
show and uh our first guest for today uh isan from functionland how you doing man good good
thank you and it's a pleasure to be on the first ever show like the first day to showcase
the first day of food to showcase i'm the first one what a player first show first guest
yeah so why don't you give the people a little introduction about yourself
sure so my name is a son i'm the co-founder of function land my background is in tech i've been
in in the tech world for for like 20, more than 20 years. I started coding
with QBasic back then. And for Functionland, you know, like we started Functionland in
2021 with the vision that we have. So, you know, like when the Internet started in the 20s, 90s, we started to see these
services like Yahoo at that time to come online. And the thing was we used to store our, you know,
like Yahoo used to store their data on Yahoo servers. Then they came and those Yahoo servers
migrated to, you know migrated to other services like Google
that we are using today. And people started to store their data on other servers, like
Google servers, AWS servers. And when Yahoo came, everyone was so excited that now we
are getting decentralization. But what we ended up was, you know, like having Ethereum nodes on AWS,
having Bitcoin miners on Azure.
So it really wasn't still decentralized.
And the reason that we thought of at that time, you know, like in 2021 was,
you know, like the problem is creating infrastructure
is costly. You know, like people don't want to spend money and time on creating data centers
and, you know, like decentralized data centers. And then you have to spend time and money on
maintaining it. So with that in mind, we wanted to decentralize the data storage, which is the base layer of everything we use, even the AI.
Right now, everyone is so hyped about the AI, but all of these AIs are still powering these central servers.
So what we did was we created a protocol based on IPFS to decentralize everything, you know, like the data storage layer.
People just use their machines
or one of our own machines, which is plug and play
to join a network.
These machines create a network together,
basically connect with each other
and create a large disk space,
which then you can store data on these machines,
which are personal owned instead of using a central server.
So I try to keep it brief.
That's awesome.
And can you please, like, quickly, very quickly,
like, go through how can you use your infrastructure to store data?
So there are two sides right the storage providers are individuals like you and me you know like they are people who have our nodes at their home
on the corner of their desk there is no really uh cost of infrastructure needed and it's it's more
environmental friendly than than a data center, right?
So these are storage providers, then they earn tokens for the storage that they provide.
On the storage user side, we provide S3 compatible APIs.
So basically companies, application developers or users who want to store data, they can
simply switch to our storage network.
It's not our storage network,
but basically functional land network,
which is just a change of the API URL.
That's it.
The data will be on our functional land network.
Perfect.
I've tried myself and it's super easy to use it. I'll keep using and trying doing different demos. I think we can now jump to the demo. Right?
Yeah. Yeah. Let's show the people what protocol was added to scale, I was very excited because now we can integrate the storage network that we have, the S3 compatible network that we have with this feature on a scale network.
And we already were on a scale, so it was like a very good path we took.
a very good path we took. So before going into the actual like demo, since it's more on the
back end, it's like coding, I just created like a video just to make it easier. So on our side,
you know, like as I said, the APIs are S3 compatible. So you can use, you know, like a normal S3 calls, like put buckets, a key to store
a file, get bucket key to get a file, you know, like check a file existence with the head request
or delete a file. So it's basically working2 API in between the storage, agents can now use these
APIs to store and get data without any human interaction. And all of the
And all of the information about the protocol is basically on our website, docsfx.land,
full API.
So if anyone is interested in to go deeper into how things work, they can check it.
And there are also test scripts that anyone can run themselves. Like if they go to the website, the instructions are there.
They can just clone it on their own machine
and run it very simple.
Yeah, it's super easy.
I've tried myself on it.
Yeah, it just requires your wallet
runs a test for you, and you can see.
So just in terms of the test that it runs, it
basically uploads a file to the S3. So, you know, like what you see in the first test
in the upload is basically it calls the X402 API to check the balance, if there is enough
balance. If there is not enough balance, it basically requires the caller to pay.
After the payment, it just calls the S3 API to insert a test bucket in this scenario here.
And as I said, since everything that we do is on a decentralized network, which is powered by IPFS,
at the end, when you upload a file,
it gives you the CID of the file that you uploaded,
and you can access it from any IPFS gateway.
So be it full or other IPFS gateways,
you can access that piece of data.
So for example, this is like the CID,
and you can access this CID from the IPFS gateway.
This was like a test file that was uploaded and accessible from any IPFS gateway.
So there is no single point of failure. If at any point full-on, its worker function land nodes go
offline, you can still have access to the file
and that's the beauty of the decentralized data storage uh downloading through through the you know like again through x402 api is free so you only pay for uploading and then download it
as many times as you want and it it's like again again, I get API call to the S3 API.
So you get the file in the same format that you uploaded.
And again, you can delete it in the same format
that you work with the central data storage.
The file, you know, like we send the on-pin request to the node and the node on-pin the file.
Correct me if I'm wrong, the way to use this is the exact same way as any client server
X402 protocol, right? You just use a facilitator and through your endpoints, right? You just
make an X402 payment and you can upload on your IPFS network, right? Exactly, like the X402 that's,
you know, like that removes the manual work so the agents can automatically, you know, like pay
for the storage and upload and download but you can also like have the manual way of, you know,
interacting with the S3 API directly and as you mentioned it properly, this is just the entry point,
because when the data is stored, it's basically on the IPFS network.
So there is no single point of failure.
If this entry point goes down for some reason,
we can still have access to your data. In the end of the day, it's a great usage or a great way to explain how you can use X402,
right?
Because probably previously you were using some API key and required the user to address
some other payment provider.
And with this, you just need X402, right? Exactly, you just need X402.
Like there is no API creation requirement, nothing.
Just your wallet.
Everything then is handled by the client agent.
That's automatic.
No manual API creation
or manual API management is needed.
You know, like the agents can check the pricing.
If they want, usually like agents don't do it, but they just call the storage API directly.
But in case, you know, like in custom requirements. And they also can add credit.
So for example, if the initial payment was for one hour
or one day of data storage,
and now it needs to extend it,
they can simply call the API and extend the timing
of the storage by, again, like paying more
and paying more or adding more to the credit.
or adding more to the credit.
So, yep, that was a quick demo of the export.
Incredible.
It really looks like you guys are utilizing it
to most of its capabilities as much as possible.
It's awesome seeing different projects
and the way that they utilize them.
It's fascinating how one piece of infrastructure can be viewed and used in so many different ways.
And actually, just one thing to quickly show again, I forgot this part is how, you know, like, so, so when you, I know that, like that X402 is basically
removing the manual work, but for those who are, you know, like want to go deeper and see what's
happening in the back end, you know, like when you upload a file, this is my own account. So when you,
when you upload a file, you can basically go and check what's being pinned
and how it's being pinned on the backend, on your backend. And you can exactly see what's going on,
where the files that I'm uploading are, where they are being pinned. So they are being pinned right now on these six devices.
And by pinned, I mean these are the devices
that are keeping a copy of that piece of data
that I uploaded.
If one of these devices go offline in the network,
the network automatically rearranges my data
so that another device picks up the data and copies it.
So it keeps this this six copy
for for my data and i can check you know like where it is uh what what device ip uh not ip
what device hash is basically holding them amazing amazing manel, anything more you'd like to ask our first ever guest?
Yeah, I would like to know, like, firstly, probably a question with two pieces. First
of all, it's like, what excites you about scale? You just export to is running your
own scale base, right on the new scale chain. And what do you see the next steps there are?
And also the next steps for your product.
What are you thinking will be the next feature and release?
So I think you already know it's the speed, you know, like,
and the fact of the zero gas speed both creates an environment that people can easily work with the scale.
We have right now 1,000 of our nodes in the network.
And these node owners, they use a scale.
And the benefit is when they receive their tokens and they want to claim it,
they don't really need to care about do I have i have the gas fee or not just go and claim it
and now i think with this addition of x402 it will be the same for the agents who want to use
them at the service they just they just use it uh without you know like being concerned about
having to pay gas fees and also the speed you you know, like, because now when you want to store something,
you have to wait for the payment to go through with the speed of a scale.
This is really instant. So they don't add that.
It doesn't add that overhead in time of wait time to their request.
And this is very important because, you know, like, uh,
when agents are at work, we all know that, you know,
like for AI agents specifically,
speed is something of importance.
True, absolutely.
And in terms of the next step, actually,
so right now our network of nodes,
they are sharing a storage,
but we are also working on,
because the nodes also have NPU, which is neural processing
units in them. So we want to create a network of these NPUs as well to enable some level
of processing across the network. It's still very early, so it takes some time, but hopefully
it can be both decentralized storage and decentralized
compute network okay that's that's very interesting that's something for another uh it's a topic for
another showcase i would say 100 uh eshan thank you so much for joining us anything further you'd
like to say before we we jump on to our next guest uh for now i think that was it
thank you thanks for the amazing support that i received from the scale team so far
in in terms of you know like when i was developing on a scale uh i i received a
tons of support from your team and i want to thank you no worries at all credit credit to Mr. Manel and so yeah
all pleasure
Ishan thank you so much for joining us
it's been a pleasure and hopefully we see you
again same here have a good day
bye bye
hey Manel I think that went well first guest
I think yeah
I think we couldn't ask for more right
no 100, 100%
Now, no pressure to our second guest
You know
But I have high hopes
For the next one, to be honest
I really like this
The guy and the project
Well, let's not wait any longer
And let's bring up Mr. Fabricio
I have no idea if I butchered your name
You said it correctly.
Yeah, yeah, that's correct. Hi guys.
Boa tarde, Manuel.
Boa tarde.
Well, hello there, kind sir. Why don't you give the people a little introduction about
who you are, what is Kobaru, and what you're going to be showing us today
okay so um i've been working with payments for like 15 years uh in latin america i'm brazilian
working in launching mainly um credit card product here. I launched acquired operations in Brazil, Argentina, Mexico.
I led integrations with acquiring 15 different countries here in the region.
I've been working with building credit products as well,
not only in the payment space, but also lending products.
So I've been working in payments a long time.
I don't know why it makes no sense for me to like so much work in payment.
I think I love complexity or solving complexity.
For me, it's like a fun puzzle to solve. Payments can be really complex.
And that's
part of the reason that I launched this new product, Kobaru, to, I
think everything to bring some of that experience.
Hey, Fabrizio.
You're a little laggy at the moment.
Would you like to turn your camera off and maybe that'll make it a little bit less laggy.
It always happens when we're live.
Technical difficulties.
At least I haven't pressed any of my weird buttons yet.
Well, while we wait, Manel, why don't you...
What's going on, man?
Oh, he's back. Sorry, guys. The internet connection here. man.
I'm sorry guys.
The internet connection here today is not very good.
No worries.
Do you want to turn your, it might be better if you were to like keep your camera off,
maybe it will be, it would be better.
Okay.
I'm not that pretty.
So I think it's going to be better for you if I just close the camera.
Everyone's beautiful. Everyone's beautiful, man.
So, yeah, why don't you continue giving us a and I worked with a lot of merchants that wanted to charge, for example, for usage,
but we know the difficulties of doing that for traditional payments methods like credit cards.
So when I heard about X42, I said, no, that's a thing that is going to
solve a problem. And we can leverage new technologies to make something that works,
is better, and does not have that kind of complexity. I even worked at a multinational company that had a large payment gateway that was really good.
It was fast, it was resilient, but it was expensive.
Expensive to maintain, expensive to operate, expensive to develop new features.
So I think using new technologies today, we can have that same level of resiliency,
low latency, et cetera.
But the cost, I think it's not worth.
And we can make viable this micropayment for several industries.
Very interesting. Very interesting.
So do you have a demo with you today or no?
So I had a video, but I think I'm going to just share the screen with you.
I think we have a lot of demos using the CINDI transactional flow of X4R2, but I think the
point is we can process transactions like any other facilitator. You can host your own facilitator, but our goal is to enable developers and companies
to focus on their core business
while we solve everything payment wise.
So I think one thing that is really interesting
is about our dashboard.
We want to turn this into like a revenue comment center
so you can see how much we are making,
which endpoints are more profitable,
and this kind of thing.
And like we are doing a lot of new features
to have this kind of view here.
Those are just mock transactions, so it's okay to show.
transactions, so it's okay to show.
Developers can also see
all their transactions
in live
they shoot the transaction to us.
They have a panel here.
They can see everything that's going on.
For example, this transaction is
rejected. They know exactly
why it was rejected
if they come here they can see the transaction hash and see the result in the block explorer
everything here nice and easy and one thing that i think it's really good it's really interesting
is the proxy the idea is just you have an API that you want to sell.
And what we do is we put our proxy in front of your API.
We do all the payments for you.
And then we just relay the request to you.
So here we can see, for example,
if someone reaches this endpoint,
we are going to do the payment,
we are going to make the request to this base URL.
And you can set the prices, you can do a paper requests.
Like I can pay one cent for 10 requests, for example,
or I can pay 10 cents for 30 minutes to access the API.
We have routes exceptions and the whole configuration
and all the possibilities, all the chains, values, routes, and et cetera,
can be a little bit complex,
but that's why we put the status in Paint English.
So these APIs receiving requests at this endpoint,
which forwards to this, your API,
is going to charge one cent on base apolia for
example um for one request 10 cents on solana for six minutes or uh there's an ascent on scale for
for one request so merchants can have this kind of granularity here,
but we make everything really, really easy for them.
So I think it's like the product that I like the most
at the moment, because I'm going to launch a new one today.
And yeah.
Inside scoop guys, new products being launched.
And it's pretty cool. Yeah, I did. Yeah. and yeah inside scoop guys new products being launched yeah i i yeah myself i i reserved the launch for for you guys for today
let me show you. So we are already like processing this kind of trend.
We have all the X42v2 features like buzzer discovery, etc.
So what we are launching now is like your own MCP.
And we are even calling calling it um effortless mcp because the idea is you have
your apis they are working but people want to use them uh in in cloud code for example so but it's
really uh hard uh to do that you have like to think about perhaps subscription,
how you're going to charge, add new lines of code,
add authorization complexity.
And I think all these can be abstracted
using the X4.2 protocol.
So our idea is you already have your APIs
using Kobaro, for example, and you can get here just enable MCP service and users
going to be able to use our APIs and you won't need to worry about how they're going to do that. And we are going to even generate all the instructions.
So your users just have to use npm install Kobaro MCP.
Kobaro MCP set up your merchant slug
that we are going to generate here in the dashboard.
And that's it. that we are going to generate here in the dashboard.
And that's it.
So they are going to just use those two commands.
We have like a wizard is going to ask them
if they are, is going to list the tools,
ask if they are okay to install that and that's it. So as soon as, and we are even going to list the tools, ask if they're okay to install that and that's it.
So as soon as, and we are even going to install
automatically with several AI clients like Antigravity,
Cloud Code, Gemini, CLI, et cetera.
So for example, users on Gemini,
I can just ask it to fetch or to use a tool. Since we already have this client,
the MCP client installed in their machine, and we are going to manage the budget there. So
users can even have two options. They use our built-in wallet that is really simple and the private key stays private in their
operating system keyring of my case here for example k wallet or they you can use coinbase awall
so it's very secure merchant just the user just type whatever they want the the CLI agent is going to fetch the merchant resource
without any changes to merchant.
Any work, it works both ways.
It works if the merchant is using the standard SDK
with the default server extension
or our proxy service.
So I think that's the thing we are going to,
we are trying to remove this complexity.
You already have APIs.
You can use our proxy to sell data to agents.
And now with absolutely no effort,
you can give access to several people and developers
using your APIs as well through those clients.
Yeah, this is what I like so much about Kubaru, because basically you get
everything. It's all in one platform, right? If I'm a developer, you give me the possibility to do, okay, I can code myself things, I can
create the server, whatever, you give me that possibility.
Or if I want, I can also just rely on that for you on the platform and use things and
everything.
So you give a lot of flexibility to the developer.
Yeah.
And it's super easy.
I've tried myself a lot of different things on Kubaru.
For example, it's super easy.
You recently updated the support for X42 payments on scale base for different tokens, right?
USDC, USDT, the RAPT BTC, right? USTC, USTP, the rapid BTC, right? And in just one click,
we can enable those tokens and also enable if the transactions are
by encrypted or not, right? With the X4 or X4 to payments with those tokens are by enabled or not.
So it's super easy. use a developer in this case.
It's to do like two clicks, right?
So yeah, just congrats for this amazing product.
Thank you very much.
Incredible, incredible.
Well, Fabrizio, we really appreciate you coming on,
giving us a bit of a rundown on what Kabaru is up to,
what you guys are making
um anything final before we uh we say goodbye um just thank you it's been amazing working
particularly with you guys with scale i think having like um a for-purpose blockchain, Forex4.2,
that's been the case of SKA-OnBase.
I think it makes a lot of difference.
And working with the guys is like a real pleasure.
I really like this team, especially Manuel.
We talk almost on a daily basis, super always helpful.
So thank you, guys.
Likewise, and go try the effortless MCP.
Yeah, it seems like better.
I need people to try it.
Yeah, just like try it and give feedback.
That's like, yeah.
Like builders.
100%.
Thanks, Luizio.
Thank you so much for joining us. And we look forward to having you back on in the future,
man. Okay, thank you very much.
It's interesting, you know, it's a lot of, I really like the idea of the effortless MCP,
you know, just bringing more use cases and you know easier ways to to
utilize x402 yeah i think all these applications are uh around that make life simple we've seen a
lot of and it's it's normal like we're just in the beginning so a lot of times developers are just
trying and make things work so now we are just in this building and at the same time
refining period that makes things
easier.
It's good to see these kind of things.
100%.
100%.
We have another guest.
Yeah.
Don't stop, never stop.
Can't stop, won't stop.
We should have a karaoke at the end you want to do
car we can do it you want to do live karaoke uh ebam are you up for some karaoke
you can make music after this with sonar
that's true that's true welcome to uh the Showcase, the first one we've done.
Why don't you give the people a little introduction about yourself and what Exona is?
Okay, so thank you everyone for having me in here.
So I'm Ibam and I'm developer of SonaEigen.
So I've been working in AI for three years and four years.
And one of the arguments on AI is content generation.
And then last year I met with X42
and then I learned about authentic economic as well.
And I'm thinking about how can we blend this content generation
into the authentic economic and X42.
So what is the problem in here is actually like,
if the agent want to do a creation or a generation,
they need to have like API keys from many platform. Like if you want to use Google,
then you need to have the Cimini API key. And if you want to use Grob, you need to have the
Grob API key. So I'm thinking to be like the bridge for anything of the content
generation into a one agent which is a sauna so basically that's what we do right now so we have
like uh nano banana nano banana pro croc imagine quen cdream and then croc imaging for the video as well. And the latest one is like,
I'm also putting music generation from Elephant Labs.
So agents doesn't need to like having those all API keys,
just need to only hit our resources
to create content generation.
And then we are also thinking like,
okay, this content generation is actually like,
it's not only created by, built for agents.
So the demands is also for the creators, which is humans.
And so we are making our platform
as simple as possible for creators to access our agent
and create the content inside our platform.
And all utilizing the X4 too.
So they don't, doesn't need to subscribe.
They only need to have a paper use
whenever they want to create the content.
It's a model that, you know,
myself and Soya had been spoke speaking about quite often because
you know especially with the multitude of different ai content creation providers right
you don't want to lock yourself into a a long subscription or an expensive subscription when
you don't actually know what the output is going to be like right and having something like what you guys have it opens up not only the possibility for you
for companies to make more off of their api but for users to get more specialized
output when they are utilizing this AI content creation.
I 100% agree.
And to double click on that, I've made so many mistakes on subscribing things for one month to month.
Right. And with this, the X-ray tool, like I just can test it in like one minute.
Do I really want this or not, right?
So yeah. Yes, yes.
It's like a playground.
Exactly, almost like that.
Yeah, and I tried myself Chona and yeah,
first of all, really good UX UI.
Super clean and smooth.
As we talk about it,
Iban, why don't you bring up the the site and then we can oh yeah
okay can you guys see my screen yes
yeah okay Okay, can you guys see my screen? Yes.
Okay, so this is our site, Solana Engine.
Okay, so first of all, we use wallet out in here.
So we are also supporting Solana and EVM wallet in here.
So user need to like top up their wallet first
to use our export to resources.
And then we also support base, support scale
and support Solana in here.
And this is how it looks like for our agent interface.
So we have like four component creativity in here,
which first one is for discover ideas,
and then the second one is generate image,
generate video, and the latest one is generate music.
So let's try.
I hope there is no error in here.
JOHN MUELLER
I tried myself yesterday no error in it.
I tried myself yesterday and worked, so. Okay, okay.
Let's create a young man wearing hoodie, black hoodie.
Oh, I'm preparing something like this.
Actually I'm preparing something like this.
Standing in the middle of Tokyo Street.
So in here we will have like a window for users
to do the export to transaction in here.
And user can choose between the model that we've
provided, like Nano Banana, Croc Imaging, or C Dream.
For example, C Dream.
And then in here, there is network options.
I really like these options you give the user.
I think a lot of times the user feels almost like he has no option, nothing.
Yeah, perfect.
Yes, it's very fast.
And in here, user can see the transaction here, scale of this, and make it move, for example.
And then our agent will propose to create a video. and one question is the price of the price dynamic uh like depending on the prompt that you give
oh or complex the latest one is dynamic but for this video because i like a short
video it's on fixed 10 seconds so it's not dynamic yeah okay i meant yeah i meant on the
previous one so you're generating the image okay makes sense
Yeah.
yeah that seems to me yeah
That seems to me, yeah.
For the dynamic price, we are using
on the music generation.
Got it.
I would like to see if.
So it varies the price considering
like how long the music is.
Correct.
So maybe it's more clear in here, clearer in here.
So like, yeah, depends on the duration of the music.
And in here we have our resources catalog,
so for the builders that want to
integrate uh our resources or use our resources they can see all our resources in here so we
also have like uh another creative resource that not only preaching the generation model which is
like we have x news in here which which you can put any X username,
and then it will create a tweet ready to use,
like draft for the tweet,
and also the banner for the tweet.
JOHN MUELLER- Mm-hmm, oh, okay.
Pretty cool.
Yes, and then we also have like a
pump-fun trending, pump- one mover, but this is more like
on the design part. So like what kind of design that still happening right now,
so you can create a similar that a trading design from it.
Very, very cool.
And then there is also the token starter kit, which
is like if you want to launch a token,
you will need to prepare the logo or the tweet for launching
and the token banner.
You can use these resources to help you
to prepare your token launch, something like that.
JOHN MUELLER
OK. something like that very very cool and okay and do you have any like any next um
like features or releases in place for the asian side so i see that you have like image generation
audio uh right video and you have like something like uh i don't know
And do you have like something like, I don't know,
bot trading or something like that?
Or some other feature in the pipeline?
Mm-hmm.
Actually for the next step, we have a new sub-product from Sona.
It's called.
Overbeat.
Yes.
I would love to have scale.
Yeah.
Maybe we can make scale as well.
I think you should chat about it because I tried yesterday.
Yeah, also looks very, very cool.
Yeah.
So what we're trying to build here
is like an export to ecosystem.
But the first use case that we want to solve is also like,
how about the people that cannot code,
how they can join the agentic era.
So in here we create like a no code agent creation.
They can create by like, define their identity,
define the persona, define the skills,
but they don't need to know how to code and how to deploy.
It's all handled by the Orbit.
And it's already integrated with the open cloud.
For now, Solana Wallana wallet and then the export itself
and uh but it's not only like uh we want to like and then what after creating the agent and then
what like in here like you can upgrade any export to merchant that available on Orbit but for now it's only Sona.
Like this, I will show.
See in here like we will have like another export to existing merchant that we can put in here and
user can choose freely with resources that they want to put in their agent and they can like
upgrade the price so user can get revenue their own agent.
It's very simple, right? Simple, but in a good way, in the sense that
so it's something that sometimes might be complex
and you just break down things in a very step-by-step
after you get that, you'll have your own agent.
Yeah, great work.
Yeah, we do have like a six agent in here.
And so it's looked like, let's see.
Oh, this is my agent.
So in here, you can see like all the transitions that happen on your agent, like if it's being accessed from the other agent or is it paying for the
other agents and its agent on Orbit can interact with each other.
The discovery inside the Orbit is also there.
Awesome.
Yeah.
Well, Iban, yeah yeah it looks incredible man um minnell any any further
questions for our guest not really on my side uh yeah just thank you very much to to to working
with us with scale um just yeah just hope we we can be on more products of yours
uh looking more to it yeah yeah incredible incredible well evan thank you so much um
guys make sure you follow exona underscore agent and go check out go check out their product
yeah go try it because yeah yeah it it yeah they deserve and it's very easy to use uh i think
that's always a good thing when you can make something that's difficult easy to use yeah
thank you thank you thanks so much for joining us obam see you again later bye bye bye so that's three out of
four manel how are you feeling i'm i'm feeling just great can we do like 10 more no
i've been so much pain so i went to the gym right So I went to the gym for the first time
And like I went on Tuesday
And I did like biceps
And chest and here
Yeah bro I mean
Like yesterday it was okay
And today I'm in so much pain
The second day is always the worst
My dad was like
Are you ready to go to the gym again
I was like no I can't It is always the worst, yeah. My dad was like, are you ready to go to the gym again? I was like, no, I can't.
It's always the same.
And you can blame on Sawyer, right?
Yeah, 100%.
Sawyer is just a difficult human being.
But you know who isn't a difficult human being?
Mr. Alex.
Hello there.
Hello.
How are you guys?
Hello, man. Hello, Fatko. Hello, hello. How are hello how you doing yeah i'm fine i'm fine it's uh pretty much the evening in there just i told uh ben yeah now it's uh the night is uh he's falling
when the puppy is going to bed where are you based france
to bed. Where are you based? France. I can say more. I'm Portuguese. I should know more
French because I've learned in school. It's a very difficult language, actually. Even
French doesn't speak correctly. Bonjour, comment ça va? Ça va bien? Et toi?
Bonjour, comment ça va?
Ça va bien? Et toi?
Yes, level one.
I had a discussion about the
fitness. You did the legs
already.
It's worse
than the chest.
Damn it.
I am now
destruction, total destruction.
Going to
your home like on your hand like,
ah, why I did that?
I don't want that, man.
I don't want that.
Oh, incredible, incredible.
Well, Alex, why don't you give the people a little introduction
about yourself, who you are, and what you're building?
Yeah, sure.
I'm Alex.
I'm the founder of Real AI. It's very complex to say because
actually Relay AI is written Relay, which in French means Relay as well. So it always,
there is something that is AI, it is Relay, it is Relay AI. What the hell is this? So that's for the
little story, even in the team. We don't know how to pronounce that name, actually. So, yeah, I'm the founder of this project.
It actually came from a discussion I had with the PI, notorious.
I was talking about the friction for developers to implement XFOR2
server side on the hands.
The implementation itself is not really hard, it's not very complex. But as soon as you want to bring
observability, for example, if you have multiple endpoints and you need to set price, so you need
extra database, you need extra operational costs, you need extra people to work on that, and then
the value slowly shifts from the data that you want to provide to people to being almost like
having a second stripe platform, which is not good because people should focus on their business and
the value they bring for their data, right? So we had that idea to bring a payment layer,
basically it acts like a reverse proxy, it's a very easy take at the first glance,
and then we added more and more stuff in there.
But the idea is pretty simple, actually.
It's to provide to API a way to distribute their product
with a paid payment layer on crypto using X4.2 program.
Incredible. Minot, this is all you, brother.
Yeah, I just really a lot of times and it's just, I was going to say simple, but in a good
way.
It's built on a simple way for devs to very quickly plug and play, right? So you can do basically everything there.
You can use it just like a plain facilitator, right? Like a pay AI, but you can also through
their dashboard, just you have an API and you can just transform it as an X-R2 endpoint just like this, right? We tried the MCP instances for each API listed there.
We offer an MCP instance,
which means that every API there, in fact,
become a own MCP for agents to be able to call them.
We have actually three distribution channels.
We have a raw HTTP call,
so that's the common HTTP REST API calls.
We have MCP and we recently did a PR actually on Coinbase for that,
is a WebSocket, so it's X402 over WebSocket,
so you can get a persistent connection.
It can be useful, for example, for RPC providers.
So they could eventually list their RPC endpoint, then the user could
have the proper web socket paid per call with that feature. It will slow a little bit the
thing because it's a reverse proxy, so there is one more call. This is not directly the
RPC, it will have one more call. So So may not be the best thing, for example, for
sensible things like trading and so on,
but it can be okay for
other users. I think there is a value for that.
But yeah,
I speak too much. You didn't answer me.
No, you're good, man. You're good.
You tried the RPC thing. You need to
try it. I haven't tried it yet.
No, no, no. Just a lot
of things. It's on my pipeline. To be honest. Because I've tried all it yet. No, no, no. I just a lot of things. It's on my pipeline.
Because I've tried all relay products. So yeah, I know I was very impressed. Each time I see
one of each time you drop a message on TG and just I need to come with. It's crazy. I need to
test you guys. Like if you build good things, why shouldn't I? Like, I just, I only can thank you
to be building on scale.
And no dates.
If you have success, we have success.
So yeah, I just want you to,
all the success in the world
and all the projects that we have building
will always push to you guys.
Absolutely.
And I think I speak for the both of us. Uh, I would love to, to,
to see a demo of relay.
Of course.
Yeah.
I mean, I've seen it. I just, I'll keep seeing it.
I was trying to say, to say, actually, that's why I just, uh, okay. Let me try to show my screen.
Okay. Yeah, I can do that. That's good.
Just give me just one minute. Yeah, no, you're all good, man man i clean my screen because i have like 10 tabs incredible
i will maybe end up okay that's here okay right
there we go no it's not the right screen actually okay
let me do it again. Oh, my God.
I will just...
What about this?
You also have a marketplace for endpoints,
and it's very well built.
So let me just close this one.
OK, now I think I'll get the good one.
Because if I want to showcase something on scale,
I had to use a MetaMask wallet and I personally use,
use, use Phantom.
You can try Rabi.
I prefer Rabi wallet.
Yeah?
Yeah, much, much, I hope no one from MetaMask
is listening to this.
Just much better.
Okay, I think I will end up by sharing my whole screen from Metamask is listening to this. Just much better.
Okay, I think I will end up by sharing my whole screen because just say, so forgive me for the mess
in my screen today.
You're all good, man, you're all good.
All right, it will be simpler, I think.
Okay.
Here we go.
Okay, so that's the main page basically that's Relay.fee.
We also booked a domain called the x402.fee for white label.
It means that every time an API is registered on a whole platform,
you don't have to use Relay.fee and points you can have.
Like for example, if you had an API and you integrate this in here,
you could have like scale.exe2.fi,
which gives some of the branding of the projects
and it cause no friction.
We also have custom payrolls and so on for that purpose.
So yeah, basically, you have a marketplace in there
just to show, so I don't know,
it's community admin mode.
You have several API in there listed.
It's the marketplace mode.
The product is not intended to be used in the UI, right?
You need to develop something.
We have actually two verticals we are working for.
It's for builders or they build the web app
or any web three app that they want,
they could use the API, API if they're in their dev, and we also target AI agent, of course,
that's why we provide the NCP instance, for example. So it's really, it's made to be called
by the programmatic way. It's not meant to be used like this, but we still have that marketplace so
people can visualize what API is there. You have your wallet in there when you want to connect. I'm
already connected with my MetaMask address. And you also have like, because this is something that
we do for people when they work with us, We have a project that came with a great idea.
I think it's in Finality, the project.
And I think it's them who...
Look, we had a great call, but we have several people working on the API.
It would be good if we can access to the same interface with more login than one.
And so we create the team, that you can create a team,
and the owner, the first that logs and create the team,
the owner of the team can invite people in,
and you can all work as a team in that space,
and configure your product the way you want.
That's a great, that's a good feature, yeah.
So, to register an API, because this is a question
we have, we often have, is how to configure an API, because this is a question we have,
we often have is how to configure an API.
You can do this way if you want to,
it's not the best way because you will have then,
it's the manual way.
So you give all the manual entry in there,
but it can be quite time consuming
because you basically have
to describe your api and you would end up being like a human swagger doing doing this i'm not
sure that's the best way to to go and lucas my friend did tell you that in here it recommended
to use this way so you use your api API specs in there to link them. In fact,
we do not download those API, which means that if you do, for example, some modification to
an endpoint, let's say you add one query parameter endpoint for get, and then you add the second one,
if you were about to upload a file in there, then we will be cooked.
You will have to come back in the app and upgrade that OpenAPI spec,
otherwise it will not work anymore.
But we are not doing this.
In fact, you just link your API here, and we live getting the Swagger file
when the API is called.
So it's always up to date.
So in here, let me wait a sec.
I will share back my screen in one minute.
I'm just need to get something for you guys.
I'm able to show you how it looks and for that
i need to actually struggle your ring let's say
okay Just one sec, I'm here.
We can talk about fitness if you want to while I'm checking.
I used to do this a lot actually.
I should go back to fitness, I think.
I think it would be a good thing for me to do this.
OK, let me try with that one in here.
It's all right.
We will.
OK, it should work.
Okay, let me show back my screen and we are good to go.
Sorry for that, guys.
No, you're okay, man.
All right, there we go.
There we go.
Okay, so here you pass the URL and then you can have all your...
Yeah, so you pass your URL and then you have all your file,
OpenAPI file passed in that window so you can do the proper configuration.
So when we first released the product, it was very straightforward
because you had only Solana blockchain, so it was Solana or Solana.
There was only one facilitator and there was only one version of X402.
Now it's getting a little bit complex, but it's still, I would say, quite easy to implement.
First, you would choose your blockchain in there.
For example, you will choose a scale
and choose then what you want to do.
We had some requests for people that wanted their API
to be available in Relay, but without the payment layer,
which was a little bit strange for me at the first glance,
but then I noticed that it makes sense
because they would have that MCP instances,
they would have that persistent work socket stuff.
So they can even implement that and get some perks
without having the actual payment layer,
which for me still makes sense
than having the proxification, let's say, of relay,
but they are free to do to to do this then you choose
the facilitator uh in here i think you support guys a paia facilitator yeah we do yeah paia
facilitator support your blockchain that's right exactly exactly yeah so we may have to upgrade
this because depending on the the the blockchain that you choose,
you will then have the supported facilitator.
And then I think I would like to say to Notorious that we didn't cheat it.
We have not upgraded it yet.
We will do this as soon as possible.
So here you set up a mail.
It's okay. this is my API,
you give a description, whatever you want, you give your website.
Just one sec, okay.
You give it here your website, you give your ex-undel.
I'm not sure because I'm not quite deep in the dev right now,
it's more Lucas that is doing this.
But here you fill your endpoint,
and then here you have your white label.
So, for example, you could have scale in here.
You can see that the API is not correct here.
We'll fix that, but it's scale.exe4.fi,
which gives you a little bit of white label Actually, I will fix that, but it's scale.exe4.fee,
which gives you a little bit of white label
and keep your branding as I explained to you.
Here, you choose your wallet address,
choose some file banners.
You have an API authentication key,
which is an important thing
because we are asking for the project to give us a swagger link,
so open API spec, if you don't put an API key in there, it means that your API is somehow
would say available to anyone to use without going through the relay. So we implemented that.
So yeah, we strongly advise our partners and projects say, okay, you need to implement an API key because if you have the choice to do some calls for something that is one way free and the other way paid, there is a chance that's very interesting actually, because XFOR2 solves many problems,
but there was one living in here.
So when you use XFOR2 natively,
I mean, basically it's,
I won't go too deeply technical,
but it's an interceptor in fact in Node.js.
So it goes in there, intercept the request,
do the payment and then request the original API.
But the problem is then, if the initial API
that you want to request is down or under maintenance,
or it throw you an ugly 500,
then you would have paid for data that is not working at all.
Okay.
That's a problem.
That's a very big problem.
And the office solving that problem because it monitors the endpoints to make sure that they work through their platform.
So we partnered with them, integrated the view of on our platform. You don't have to enable it, but I think it brings some more trust on the API listed here. If you say,
okay, look, it's monitored, so if it doesn't work, it's not paid. The AI agent will not pay for a
service that is not going to happen. We use X4-2 extension. I don't know if you know about that.
It's a V2 that has been brought by V2 feature in here.
Very interesting, means that you can add some customization
on your facilitator to allow for such a thing.
That's why we developed our own facilitator.
It allows us to do some extra thing.
For example, that Integritas configuration allows you to get a receipt.
Because soon you'll see that agents will do service pay for service,
get paid for service, but then you'll need a receipt somehow.
So, Integritas is doing this.
So, we're always glad when Integritas is an API that is listed on our platform and then we were very interested in buying their product because it's doing such a thing. And we're always glad to say, okay, look, you integrated in our platform, but your product is actually interesting for our platform as well. So let's do mutual integration there. And that's what we
done with Integritas. In here then you just set up your price. So you can choose USDC,
so that's the token that are available on scale. If it were on Solana, for example, you could use any token, which means that a project that's launching
with their platform could make their platform paid with their token, which will bring some kind of
utility to the token which often lacks in such projects. So, that's the kind of thing that we
provide. And then you do this basically for all the endpoints.
So I won't pass through all of that.
You can be good to go.
It's super complete.
Super, like, yeah.
It's quite easy.
Then people that comes in here, if I can just see.
We have that Xona. Xona are people that you in here, if I can just see we have that Xona.
Xona are people that you received, I think, some minutes ago.
For example, in here, you will have Xona and you can try the API from there.
So in here, you can click on any of those things.
So, I think, yeah, I've been trying to do some trading
and then you can test it out in here
and get that receipt, I'll talk to you.
But you also can go, you can go where you can go.
That's a good, I think it's in the dashboard here.
You can go there and here you have your playground in here
and you can test your calls and so on in there.
To go back, to show you a little bit about the paywalls,
that white label branding that I was talking about before,
when you go to the API in and there I will take back again,
I think, Exona in here. I hope I will not have a bad effect. I think I have enough USDC to pay for
Exona code. Let's try it out. I think there is one here. Where it is? It's here. So you see you have
the paywall here. So basically this is something that you can,
it's not customized there.
I will go chase after Xona,
so he customized that endpoint for his own need.
So here you can try and that payroll will be pop
each time an API is called whatever you use,
the white label X4.2. called, whatever you use the white label X4 to that fee,
whatever you use will have that paywalls popping
if you didn't pay, which is the case in here, of course.
So let me see, okay.
Believe me or not, it's the first time of my life
I'm using MetaMask. I just share on our Telegram another one.
For sure you'll like it. For sure you'll like it.
I will try. I never tried it. I discovered only today that there was a MetaMask card,
credit card or something. Really, I'm a newbie. I'm totally...
I'm a newbie. I'm totally...
I guess the payment...
I hope that the payment has been done and that time is the time for the AI to get the whole thing.
So there you go. So yeah, that's why it takes some time because it calls the AI in here.
See? Because I think Xona is getting to confirm with them that I think they get the image of the banner or something in the token
and then give all of that to an AI that passes it.
And then there you go, you have your data.
So, in here, Xona didn't have to implement X402 on his own and then get paid here.
I think that it will not bring much in my site because I have no API listed. So I have,
unfortunately, I'm poor and I have zero sold and I have nothing in there. That needs also... This is, I think,
the challenge that we have is as we support more and more blockchain, for example, that,
for example, might not be relevant because it means that you would have some inconsistent
result because it's marked sold, but in fact, it could be more than one blockchain. That's a few
examples of the things that will come in terms of a little bug fix that we have here here and there but all in all yeah that's the platform i think
you could perhaps i'm getting ideas you could perhaps like write it in in usdc and then when
you go like over with your uh with your mouse just open to small like.
Yeah, yeah.
And show the, the, the different balances
between on, yeah.
That's a pretty good idea, actually.
I think I will talk to that with, with Lucas.
So yeah, here it is.
So we also have like here, Meteor Access.
I chose the name, the team doesn't like that name. I like that name.
So it's Meteorol API Access. So because when you're implementing X4, I already told you that
you had to implement X4 on server side, right? And it can be time consuming and so on. This is
the discussion we just had. But what about the client side then?
Because it's the same.
You don't have the dashboards and so on.
Don't get me wrong.
It's not that hard because you don't have
like to set the price and maintain the price and so on.
It's easier than on the server side.
But still, you have to implement that X402 layer
as well on server side.
You have to fund the wallet. You have to keep that wallet fund2 layer as well on server side. You have to fund the wallet,
you have to keep that wallet fund and so on and so on.
So here we provide some method API access.
So you can fund AcousticJar wallet, no platform
and fund it with the currency you own.
It can be, I think we support EVM and SVM chain right now.
It's in here, there. I think we support EVM and SVM chain right now.
It's in here, there, and then you can create
in here wallet and you have it in the VM and SVM wallet. So you find that, and then you get an API key,
which means that, this is what is interesting.
It means that you will not have to implement X402 at all
because Relay will then use your API key
because you will send the same request as you will do for X402,
but instead of having payment required return X402 back to you to pay,
you will then, to sign a transaction to be more detailed,
you will then have Relay handling the payment for you using your Key Schedule wallet based on that API key.
So you don't even have to touch crypto at all.
So that's an effort that we put.
So maybe Web2 also because this is something that I'd really like to have some Web2 API jumping in.
It's not something that
will be easy, I think, but that's
some target that we have.
So you don't even have to know
anything about crypto.
You can just...
I think that kind of Web2
UX and user experience
is something that's going to be super, super
important when it comes to X402.
And it's definitely something that we should jump deeper into next time.
You know, we are a little over 20 minutes over.
Oh, sorry.
I don't do it too much.
Way too much.
All my friends tell me that you wouldn't appreciate the fact.
It was super, listen, man. it was super, super interesting, genuinely.
And I think that, you know, we're, yeah, definitely going to, you know,
bring you back to dive deeper into the, you know, Web2 related UX
and, you know, everything else you guys are building.
And we have a lot of new projects coming in from the Akaton
that i could
see easily uh using uh really a lot of times a lot of them are like yeah maybe if you have some
project name we can we can discuss uh together together with uh with this very interesting
absolutely absolutely we always point uh our like whatever it is, games or some modifications to our good partners.
So you are one of them.
Lucky you.
Thank you. You're Tremendous partner. Thank you, guys.
Thanks, Alex, for hanging out. It's been a pleasure, my friend.
And we look forward to talking to you again.
Yeah. See you, guys. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. a pleasure my friend and we look forward to talking to you again yeah see you guys bye bye
so manel episode one how do you think it went i think it went pretty good you know what i just
noticed that i started here and yes uh yeah i have a problem i moved i moved too much it was your cat
I have a problem.
I moved too much.
It was your cat.
Look at the show, PP.
I think we can.
It's beautiful.
All right.
I think it's a perfect ending.
Yeah, I agree.
The prettiest
living being not human being, The priest. Living.
The priest being.
Not human being.
Animal.
She is a little princess.
Aren't you?
But Manel.
This was fun.
We should do it again.
Thank you all so much for watching.
A special shout out to all of our guests.
Make sure you follow them on socials.
And sorry, I just got a message that threw me.
Build things.
Build.
Start building, man.
That's what you got to do.
Build.
And if you build something, you can just come on our show.
Let's call it our show.
Yeah.
Like it wasn't a big thing yeah yeah it's
defo it wasn't ben's idea and you know ben's all of ben's uh you know work is it's mine and manel's
show uh yeah but um again guys thank you so much for tuning in um and we will i believe we're going
to be doing this every two weeks so not next week but the week after
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