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SKALE x MAIV - What’s in store? 🏢
Recorded: March 19, 2025 Duration: 0:44:27Space Recording
Short Summary
Maeve and Scale are forging a powerful partnership aimed at revolutionizing the blockchain landscape, with Maeve set to democratize private equity access and Scale boasting 5 million active users and $8 billion in gas savings. As both projects gear up for major announcements in the coming weeks, the crypto community is buzzing with anticipation for innovative developments and growth opportunities.
Full Transcription
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Það er hann. Thank you. you
Well guys, we'll just give a few minutes to get started Hvað getur það er að fjör mínútur sem að þetta er að ríka elinni og get starð? You You know, man, I'm excited to give one more minute when I do more people get in the middle. We'll take it off. Thank you. Make sure you've retweeted the space link, trying to get as many people in here as possible.
For one more minute and then I'll stop you waiting around and we'll get we'll get straight into it
okay i'm gonna just get started now i've waiting long enough. I want to say a big welcome to this main space. This is the second one we've done now. We've done
one last month. It was just myself and Nick just chatting all aboutve. And this week, it's a little bit of a different kind of episode.
We have got, obviously, introducing Nick first, who's the founder and the CEO of Maeve.
And we also have Ben, who's the Senior Director of Partner Marketing.
He is from ScaleLab, so if you can keep in a close eye, we have recently just partnered with them.
So a big welcome to you both.
Say hello.
How's it going, guys?
Good to be back.
Most of you probably already know myself.
Nick, founder of Maeve here.
I'm CEO.
Looking forward to today's spaces.
Looking forward to you guys getting a chance to hear everything Ben has to talk about and what's in store for Maeve and Scale in the future.
So Ben, do you want to give yourself a quick introduction there?
Yeah, sure thing, Nick. Thanks for having me today. I'm Ben. I lead partner marketing efforts for Scale.
Thanks for having me today. I'm Ben. I lead partner marketing efforts for Scale. Scale's a zero gas fee, layer one modular scaling solution. We just partnered with Maeve. I'm super excited about things that are in store for building. We've saved end users over $11 billion in gas fees
and have just crossed over the threshold
of 1 billion transactions taking place across the network.
So super excited about the position
that Scale has established themselves in
and the partnerships that are taking place
between Scale and projects like
mave that are really looking to uh democratize everything across the web so uh looking forward
to this conversation today nick may thanks for having me yeah fantastic so guys you hear there
um the the giant leaps that scale is already making for the industry um and how they are
going to fit into our own plans.
I mean, obviously, gasless transactions
are going to play a huge part
in the investments that we have in the pools
and obviously our future plans with the Web2 market.
But I suppose we can get into that in a minute.
Thank you guys for the introduction.
You know, who doesn't want a better of saving on the gas over the years?
I'm sure we've all spent a lot of money on the gas that we wish we never had to.
So it's great to see what scale are doing.
And, you know, we'll speak a bit more in depth about how they're going to help things like MAVE as well.
So I wanted to ask you, Nick.
I know you spoke a lot about MAVE, but I want to know, you know, at what point
did you decide, you know,
maybe needs to be launched, you know,
was there something that happened? Was there
just a gap in the market, or what was it
that kind of made you think, right, I'm to
build something like this?
Yeah.
Obviously, in my
own experience in development
and dealing with
large amounts of capital,
there is clear opportunity for, or it's clear the opportunity that exists for high net worth commercial firms
and other entities that are operating with huge amounts of capital.
that are operating with huge amounts of capital.
There is that side of it.
And also there is a side that my own experience trading,
you're left as a retail participant or your average person,
you either have these opportunities that are very high risk
with moderate returns,
or you have low risk opportunities with little to no returns.
So the gap there is identifying and how people can participate in what has previously only
been available to the high net worths and to the commercial entities that are operating
with huge amounts of capital.
I think from both sides of the market, it's extremely beneficial for Maeve to be coming on the scene and operating, providing users with the opportunity to benefit from high yield and secure investment vehicles.
But also on the other side of that, we're opening the doors to previously untapped liquidity for the markets that we're operating in. So I suppose
the gap in the private equity space, it's participation. We're enabling people to
participate in the kinds of opportunities that they previously haven't been able to access,
providing them with a high return and the peace of mind that their investments secure.
And to kind of echo off of that, I think when I look at from a scale perspective,
the reason we've been built out with zero gas fees
is because we want blockchain to be accessible to everyone.
You know, at its core level, right, it's about the decentralization of everything.
And so when you have a gas fee on a network or you have to require somebody to sign in with a wallet and hold a token in their wallet in order to transact. You're putting up barriers to entry. And so we look for projects that are also
in that same vein that are saying, how can we bring a lot of people and provide a lot of people
with different opportunities? And scale as an infrastructure says, we can provide that
experience in the invisible layer where you're
not going to feel scale. You're going to be interacting with Maeve. You're going to be doing,
you know, exploring the equity options. You're going to be exploring the chances to invest that
will take place there. And they're not going to be felt by blockchain because that's scale by nature is invisible it's frictionless it's there to provide
the rails to bring on you know thousands if not hundreds of thousands of users to
to the blockchain space in a safe and and secure manner
well just jumping in there ben i wanted to ask um kind to ask, I know Scale's been about since 2018, which has been a long time now, and I wanted to ask how you guys have evolved and adapted to the market and if you've changed anything from when you started to now.
Yeah, so like you mentioned, Scale's been around for, for what it's 2025 now.
So seven years.
So, and, you know, the beauty about it is, is when scale was starting our two co-founders,
Stan and Jack, you know, this was, you know, very connected to the, to Ethereum and Ethereum at the the time everybody was talking about it needs to be a
roll-up it needs to be a roll-up it needs to be a roll-up um and stan and jack looked at it and said
that's not scalable long term that's not going to actually bring in the masses that's really all
you're doing is just providing fees and how can you drive as many fees as possible back to the
network itself and you know what is actually going to be something that is consumer
first and consumer focused and that's something that's going to be the the technology that
blockchain provides without the again like those friction points and so when scale first started
um you know it's a modular network which means that instead of one single scale chain, there are currently 17 chains within the scale network right now.
And all of them operate independently, but all of them are also connected.
So when scale first started, we had the interpretation that everybody was going to have their own scale chain.
And each of these scale chains is incredibly powerful and quickly came to the realization that that's not
necessarily the case. So the biggest adaptation that scale has had is these launches of these
hub chains. And so these hub chains are specifically tailor-made for certain types of
applications. So if you're a game, you can have your own chain or you can go on a hub chain with
other like-minded projects, with other games.
So the chains are configured in a certain way.
The communities are all aligned on the types of projects.
So there's the opportunity to expand your community by coordinating with other games and running promotions with other games.
So there's a game one.
There's an AI one.
There's a liquidity one so there's all these different hubs that we've
established for like-minded projects to to go on share the resources of that share the communities
that they establish together as well so that's been one of the one of the main innovations and
um i think the other one has just been you know as more people are getting on chain you're already
seeing this race to the bottom.
Each new project that launches, each new infrastructure claims to be the fastest and it claims to have the lowest fees.
But you can't go lower than zero.
And anything above zero still requires that wallet, still requires that token. And if you as an application are sponsoring that gas fee
for your end users to create the optimal experience,
well, that's money coming out of your pocket
on every single transaction.
So the more people you bring in,
the more money you're spending on that.
Whereas with scale, it's a flat fee
that you're paying on a monthly basis,
whether you have one user doing one thing
on chain or a million users doing a million things on chain. So it's very efficient for
knowing what your fixed overhead costs are. And so figuring out that pricing model and how
we're going to expand on that as scale continues to grow in, you know, in the amount of users that are on chain,
the amount of transactions that are on chain, all of this adoption that's taking place,
just continuing to scale up everything, no pun intended on that, is really the exciting part
about what's to come over the next, you know, in the past few years and the years to come.
I think you're really starting to touch there, Ben, on how scale is
going to be such an effective team to be using to onboard that next wave of Web2 users and Web2
Capital, where projects like Maeve can attack growing markets and onboard their users as smoothly as possible with no need to be interacting with gas or anything else.
And also as a project can just give them that free-flowing experience.
So it plays heavily into our plans to target the growing private equity market
in the traditional world as well as
enabling access in the Web3 space.
I was going to say that, you just touched on it there, about the private equity market
and I think it's been forever growing and especially this year, I think it's expected
to reach 1.15 trillion and i'm just
going to ask you how may plant kind of position themselves in this kind of forever growing sector
yeah um you've you've got the figures right there projected to grow to 1.15 trillion in 2025
may will be adding to that figure obviously enabling access for participants that previously haven't been able to participate in private equity.
But on top of that, our own model allows all of the existing private equity firms in the world and all the different asset managers to actually participate in the same markets that we are.
And that's the retail market.
And the big thing about the retail market,
people think that whenever you say retail,
you're thinking of small investors.
That's not necessarily the case.
Whenever we're talking about retail participation
and private equity and commercial lending
and different vehicles,
you're talking about users who could have half a million, 1.5, 5 million to invest.
The thing about this is that it goes far beyond simply the amounts involved
in these transactions.
Whenever we're enabling access to private equity and commercial deals,
it's a two-way street in that our platform being Maeve
enables smooth management of those users and of those assets.
A lot of automated processes via smart contracts
that previously your traditional private equity
or commercial lending firm,
they don't want to deal with that quantity of people.
So you've got another
barrier to entry there that we're breaking down and that is the actual management of that quantity
of users and and yeah we're we're positioning ourselves to add to that figure and also make
that 1.15 trillion a more efficient uh amount of money that's used in private equity.
Awesome. Thank you for that, Nick. Appreciate it.
Wanted to ask you one more question, Ben.
Just one other thing that, like you said,
the first scale's journey has been seven years now, but dating back to 2018, you've obviously grown year over year.
I think that are 5 million
active users and over
8 billion in gas savings which is
you know pretty crazy
I just wanted to ask
how do you think this is
the success has come about what do you
attribute to that success
yeah that's a
great question and And, you know, it really comes down to be the one singular blockchain at the end of the
day that the world is going to use um there's going to be a lot of different use cases for a
lot of different infrastructure networks and um so it was a few years ago when scale realized hey look
like with the no gas fees with the fixed costs know, maybe the play for scale isn't right away
to go after, you know, huge DeFi applications with whales and, you know, maybe 100 people or
200 people that are spending a lot of money. Because those people, if they're, you know,
if they're making trades, and they're spending $200,000 or something per trade, they're not going to worry
about $10, $50, or $100 in gas fees with that amount of money that they're spending.
But if you have a game or if you have an AI application and you're looking to put that
on chain, you're trying to get as many users or as many transactions as possible taking place.
Right.
And so that's where having that frictionless onboarding, having that invisible experience
really is critical.
And so you don't, you are hyper attentive to what the cost of each transaction is.
And so going after games first, I think was the biggest move that scale did to kind of say, like, let's prove our thesis that a zero gas fee model works, that it's effective and that it's scalable. are effectively able to grow and scale and continue to scale even after they've gone on chain even
after they've done a tge any of those types of things and continue to find success was important
to where scale is getting now and now with the rise of ai the increasingly rise of ai um for
instance we have a project called exord and they they are a deep in AI application where they collect
information from local news sources by people installing nodes on their computers everywhere
around the world. They get around the firewalls that are placed up by local governments by just,
you know, the lack of information of what you know is going on in wherever geographic region is that these
people are located, they're uploading this information and they have an AI that is providing
sentiment analysis about the news.
This is all taking place on chain and all of these transactions are incredibly heavy.
And so they didn't run this on blockchain.
They wouldn't be able to run as a Web2 business because their server costs would be too high.
And they wouldn't be able to do
it on any other chain because even a low gas fee would have bankrupted them within the first few
months but they're on scale they've been on scale now for over two and a half years continuing to
thrive and continuing to provide great analysis for those that have leaned into what you know
the company exord provides amazing so i guess you could say having conviction in something
and being early is kind of, you know,
what you need to kickstart off of a proper project.
Appreciate your answer, Brian.
It's really insightful.
Yeah, and I think, right, it's, you know,
too many people always go to where the puck is, right?
Like, hey, this is the hot thing at the moment.
I need to hop on this trend
and I need to be a participant in this trend.
Well, the real winners, the people like Maeve,
the people like Scale are thinking ahead
and they're seeing where the market is going,
where things are progressing.
And they're saying, I might sacrifice a little bit now,
but I'm gonna be early over here.
And when I'm early over here, I am going to capture everything and anything. And that's where I'm going to be early over here and when I'm early over here I
am going to capture everything and anything and that's where I'm going to win and I'm going to be
ahead of everybody here they're going to be playing catch up and then they're going to be playing
catch up with me the rest of time so projects like Maeve and projects like scale have that mindset
I say it all the time Ben we are just at the front of what is going to be a tidal wave coming,
changing the financial markets as a whole globally.
And I feel that, like ourselves, we're positioning ourselves for what is going to be the next wave, the future of what we're doing.
So, yeah.
I was going to say sometimes it's not
quiet, sometimes you're just
early in the space, I even tweeted that out
on my personal account this morning
not trying to go off topic
here but like you said that whole RWA
topic's been about
for a couple of years and it's
progressively getting bigger and
more people are paying attention to it but
we do know that it's still quiet
and that's just a sign of us
Green Ireland, you just need to have conviction
and some belief and
we'll see over the next couple of years of development
that's going to happen but
thank you guys for your answer there
I wanted to move on and
speak a bit more about
MAVE and SCALE as a partnership and I wanted to move on and kind of speak a bit more about, you know, Maeve and Scale as a partnership.
And I wanted to ask you, Nick, kind of just how the whole collaboration
came about in the first place.
Yeah, I mean, we've always been throughout this journey looking for
legitimate partners that are bringing value to the table
and that can equally pass that value
on to our end users
and assist us with our goal.
I'll give a special shout out
to our Director of Partnerships,
Mr. Jonathan King,
who was actually,
who introduced scale to us.
We had a few initial conversations
and it was clear from the outset
that our goals, our ambitions and our values were aligned and are aligned.
So, yeah, I feel that we both parties definitely really wanted to work with each other and bring some value for our end users.
Awesome. And Ben, if you want to touch on anything in regards to the scale side.
Yeah.
I mean, from the, from the scale side, I think, you know,
like what Nick said, you know, from my, from my knowledge,
the conversations happened,
the introduction that Jonathan provided happened and then everything just
progressed very fast. and it felt like
you know when something's a natural fit right when when you get people in the room on this
that have the same vision for things and the same ideas and goals for what they want um you know
things just seem to click and and so on the scale side um you know, we're so focused on, you know, bringing more on chain, bringing unique opportunities, bringing different ways to utilize blockchain.
Because at the end of the day, we're the infrastructure, right?
Like we're just the rails that people build on.
We're just providing the value of blockchain to those that see the value of blockchain.
value of blockchain to those that see the value of blockchain.
And so when those conversations with Nick and Maeve were taking place, it was like,
okay, you guys see the value of blockchain.
We're here to provide that for you and help you every single step of the way be
as successful as possible, whether that's helping on the technical integration
front with our developers working together and collaborating on that,
whether that's having myself and our other members of our business development team working
alongside Nick and the Maeve team to start facilitating introductions to folks on both
sides from people that we know that can make a difference together and strengthen the partnership.
It just all kind of clicks in an easy manner with Nick and the Maeve team.
So it's one of those projects that I'm super excited about to work with because they get
These guys absolutely 100% get it.
And that just makes everything so super bullish about what's to come.
I was just going to say that my next question is going to be
what makes you excited about
MAVE coming over to
scale, but I guess you kind of answered that already.
And I think it makes it all
the better when MAVE
are benefiting scale and vice versa. Scale
are benefiting MAVE. There's no point in one side
doing all the work and the other
side not benefiting, but in this case
I think it's
what MAVE has is going to benefit scale and what scale has got to give us is doing all the work and the others might not benefit, but in this case I think it's, you know,
what Maeve has is going to benefit scale and what scale's got to give us
is benefiting us as well. So
thank you very much, Ben.
Back to you, Nick. I wanted to kind of ask you
about the
scale features, you know, the gas
fees, the modular change, and the high
speed. You know, how can they
help enhance Maeve's offering for
investors and users as well?
Yeah.
Well, Ben touched on the fact there
that the modular chains
create an environment where
like-minded projects
are operating on the same chains
and with like-minded communities
that in time, you know, we'll be able
to tap into
and benefit one another also.
Beyond that, a key reason for being so keen to work with scale
is the fact that it is a gasless chain operating in the background,
as Ben has described as the invisible blockchain,
which means that we can provide a very seamless
platform for both Web3 and Web2 users and with all the benefits of blockchain.
So yeah, I'm just really excited to be working with a chain that has so many benefits and
is also willing to assist us
with any opportunities that are available.
Amazing, amazing.
No, I was going to touch on that there
that some of the people might not know
what kind of support Scale actually gives projects
and partners.
We came through the whole launch program
and growth campaign
and I wanted to ask you, Ben,
what does scale do?
What do they help with?
You know, the grants, you know, if you wanted to touch on that a little bit.
Yeah.
So, you know, one of the, one of the, you know,
I think most projects building on chain, right.
You know, all the different infrastructure that are out there
all provide grants of some structure. And that's not a secret. Oftentimes, you see projects
going to certain chains and you might think philosophically that doesn't seem quite aligned.
And you realize maybe that's because there's a larger grant, perhaps, that goes into play
there. What scale does that's different than most,
and it boils down to the nature of scale itself is, you know,
because we operate with a subscription model without having gas fees,
you know, we'll work with projects like Maven.
We'll say, okay, we're going to help you out on that
and getting you up to speed as fast as possible. And you're not going to worry about that subscription model. We're just going to help you out on that and getting you up to speed as fast as possible and
you're not going to worry about that subscription model we're just going to get you up to speed
we want to get you on chain we want you effective running at full speed as fast as possible
and that includes having you know one-on-one conversations with our developer relations team
um to talk about implementation and to help you with the blockchain
complexities. That's meetings that are taking place with myself on the marketing side to
facilitate introductions to scale partners of who might get value out of Maeve and out of the
platform. And then our business development guys are going out to all the connections they've made
across the board to say like okay you
know do you know this person okay yes we have a connection to them or we have a connection to them
or through them so all sorts of different ways like a white glove kind of service to to be there
and essentially help the projects on top of scale be as successful as possible at the end of the day
top of scale be as successful as possible. At the end of the day, we can have the best technology
in the space, but if nobody's using it, it doesn't matter. And so we need projects and we want projects
like Maeve to be as successful as possible because that's proving our thesis that scale is, you know,
a perfect blockchain infrastructure or not perfect, let's say, a perfect use case
for blockchain infrastructure.
And it's even better when it's a project that isn't trying to shoehorn blockchain into it
in order to get access to grants or get access to money that they might not have had otherwise.
This is a case with Nick and the Maeve team being like we are using blockchain because we want to democratize private equity
this is the reason why we're doing it not that okay we have a game and we're just going to add
a few blockchain elements into it and then we're going to be able to go out and get a bunch of
money so um yeah i'd say that that's you know kind of how we look at it holistically from a scale labs team.
Well, it makes total sense. It makes total sense.
The whole, you know, working with each other and, you know, I think it's important to have to have goals.
And, you know, that that's kind of how the program works.
If you, you know, I see certain things, you get certain rewards.
things you get certain rewards and like you said it's all about the users and and yeah this is a
And like you said, it's all about the users.
an exciting thing for both of us um for both teams involved i wanted to kind of move on to speak about
the future of both mave and scale as partners and as individuals as well uh nick first wanted to
ask you a bit about you know what's next on the roadmap. Is there anything you can tell us about Q2?
Yeah, just tell us as much as you can.
I like to get the info out on you as well, so just let me know.
What's next on the Maeve roadmap?
I think a few things are much bigger than anyone here or anyone in the community at the moment can imagine.
So looking forward to dropping some exciting news in the next couple of weeks.
We have a number of partners that we're going to be introducing,
the first of which I believe will be going out immediately
after this space is, and that's going to give you guys
an insight to the kind of quality of product
that we're enabling
access to um but yeah what's next in the mave roadmap a lot of big things and it's been quiet
due to the markets recently but it has been busier than ever um in in the the real world
and inverted commas you know we've been making a lot of progress on a, on a lot of fronts.
And we do have life opportunities already.
You know,
we have that life partner network already.
It's just about dropping that information at the right time.
So guys,
keep your eyes peeled because the next few weeks we're going to be
achieving some big milestones.
Yeah. You heard them.
A little bit of alpha there.
Make sure that you stick around for after the space as well.
There's a little announcement there.
Thank you, Nick.
Obviously, speaking of that and the futures,
Ben, I wanted to ask a bit about the plans for scales or anything.
Plan for Q2 in particular, or is there things
that people should be looking out for that can look forward to in the coming months?
Yeah, the scale ecosystem just continues to keep growing. Just continues to, as Nick said,
with the market, everything's a little bit wobbly right now. But the builders, the real builders, the ones with a long term sustainable vision are still building, are still pushing, are still advancing forward.
And so I would say check out, you know, scale on Twitter if you're not following scale already.
You know, the handle is at scale network, S-K-A-L-E network.
The link's in my bio to our Twitter page.
Follow Scale, we push out content all the time.
Developer content, focusing on all of the cool projects
in the ecosystem that are really doing really fun things
on the development front.
Project announcements, so new partners are being announced on a weekly basis.
We do announcements about the team, about different developments within our ecosystem.
We have some really big news coming out.
Yeah, I would say Q2, something you don't want to miss.
A lot of stuff you don't want to miss.
I would just say follow, make sure you would just say follow make sure you're paying attention make sure you're paying attention to what's happening
with scale and mave as well because there are things that are coming that are just going to be
absolutely in my opinion pretty bonkers um and like i said before super bullish i continue to be
super bullish about what nick and the mave team are building
super bullish about what Nick and the May team are building.
Lots to look forward to.
We want it all now, even I say to Nick, we want the news now,
but sometimes good things have to wait,
and a part of this space is obviously waiting,
and we'd rather make sure that it's good, proper,
and it's going to benefit the project to the maximum,
and I'm happy to wait a little bit longer for that.
I wanted to ask you, Nick, a wee question about obviously the partnership between Scale
and Maeve.
What kind of opportunities is that going to open for investors in the future?
Well, apart from everything that was already discussed.
Apart from the last yeah yeah like
something here that that i keep trying to drill into the the community and the people that are
listening is that the entire market the entire lending markets are due for renewal and we're at
the the front of the wave of the shift that's coming and tokenization will be the future of the
lending markets so rather than what everyone's used to hearing which is tokenization related
to ownership it's tokenization related to the lending markets and with tokenization being used
as security rather than ownership so if we imagine all of the existing lenders
out there at the moment,
we are able to offer them a number of benefits
that they previously have not had.
Everything from efficiency to the secondary market
and how huge that is, if you imagine globally,
how much lending facilities are out there
and private equity facilities that people are locked into for the duration of an investment, you imagine how many times somebody is locked into a two or three year term investment and something happens and they need that investment back.
Well, the bottom line is it's very difficult to do that, if not impossible in most cases.
Well, the bottom line is it's very difficult to do that,
if not impossible in most cases.
What Maeve is doing will actually enable seamless entry and exit
out of those positions without affecting the actual investment itself.
So beyond opening to a new market and new liquidity,
we're actually adding an additional layer of service to that market,
and that is that secondary marketplace,
something I'm very excited about.
But yeah, we'll have to wait until we release that
and really start to attack the market with it.
Yeah, we're all very excited to hear a bit more about that.
But like you said, when the time's right,
it will happen and we'll pull it all together.
Just had one more question for you ben just about you know i know over the years the the community scale has been growing and growing and growing and it's it's not an easy thing to do
to keep your community growing so i wanted to ask you know how these plans continue growing that and
and yeah if there's any other little little ideas or plans that you've got to to keep that community growing and attracting new new investors and new community members
essentially yeah that's a that's a great question um and and one of the things that we just announced
actually last week um is you know we call it our indie game accelerator program um and you know
again an emphasis on gaming because of the attracting a lot of users that
want to participate.
And, you know, for a long time, blockchain or crypto gaming has had a very negative connotation.
And I think that's just born out of fear, out of people are not aware of the benefits.
They only hear about the scams.
They only hear about the people losing their money or they see the JPEGs online and they think, OK, well, I can just right click save that.
And now I own that image.
So they haven't necessarily seen the benefits of blockchain, but that's starting to take place.
And so we launched this accelerator program really to focus on Web know web 2 games that have been built that
are really cool because every day games are built and published and released but there's you know
they're not maybe hitting the distribution they want they're not getting the support maybe that
they want or hoping for they've built a really fun game but they struggle on the different aspects that go into creating a successful game.
So we launched this program with the goal of finding these projects, helping them implement some blockchain, helping them with either know, people anywhere around the world of similar
skill sets can play against one another or having on-chain leaderboards so that, you know, you can
track everything that's taking place inside the game in an immutable and clairvoyant way, or even,
you know, the in-game assets that people own. So helping projects implement these things,
bringing them onto scale, helping them grow their user base,
and still doing it in a manner where they don't feel the blockchain. So that's something that
we just launched. We're already getting a ton of interest in. And so that's going to be one
of the fastest ways to continue to grow the scale ecosystem. And you talk about community, I'd say one of the best parts and my least
favorite part about scale is because scale doesn't have, you know, you don't feel the
scale, you don't have to have scale in your wallet, you don't have to sign in to a scale
wallet or anything like that in order to play. A lot of people are already on scale, they
don't know it.
And so that's great for the projects,
that's great for them growing their communities.
That's not so great for scale
because we have all these people that are using scale,
but nobody knows it.
And so we're constantly having to push out the narrative
that scale is there, even though we're invisible.
So it's a little bit of a catch-22,
but it's a fun problem to have.
I think in short, Ben, wait for April
and see how things kick off for yourselves and ourselves both.
It sounds a little bit frustrating,
but it is cool to see that you're growing.
And eventually, like I said, people will clock on.
Yeah, I had a little random fact that just came to my head there
now that we're speaking about obviously scaling gaming.
And where I actually am from is where Grand Theft Auto was first made.
And I just thought, it just came to my head there
whilst you were speaking there, Ben, and I thought,
I need to add this in.
I need to say this.
But yeah, it's a little fun fact.
But thank you, guys. I don't know if you've got anything to add this in. I need to say this. But yeah, it's a little fun fact.
But thank you guys.
I don't know if you've got anything to add right now.
I was going to invite any of the listeners,
if you've got any questions.
Now's the time.
Request to speak if you've got any questions.
Yeah, I'll give you guys a minute. And if there's any questions, we'll get you guys up here.
as well. We'll get you guys up here.
But if there's not, I'm happy
come to the closing remarks for
both of you guys.
First, Nick,
your final thoughts?
My final thoughts is
as always, big things ahead.
The next couple of weeks, you guys
will see some major developments
some major announcements
that yeah I don't think anyone sees coming
and looking forward to
the rest of our partnership with SCALE
we have some great co-marketing
and different things planned for April
so yeah
big couple of weeks ahead.
Looking forward to it.
Awesome. Thank you, Nick.
And Ben, again, thank you very much for coming on.
I'm wondering if you've got any final things to say.
Just, yeah, thank you for having me on.
Echoing what Nick said, super excited about the partnership here
between Maeve and
Scale.
A lot of stuff is taking place behind the scenes already.
So yeah, April, May, June, you know, the months ahead to come, there's going to be a lot of
exciting stuff that's coming out of this partnership and, you know, happy to be, you know, here
as support and along for the ride and looking forward to everything that's coming.
Awesome, guys. Thank you both very much for coming on. It's been really
insightful, and thanks to everybody for coming in and listening. And if you did
maybe join late, don't worry. This space is recording and will
be posted and available on the MAV page. Before you
go, make sure you follow
the panel, which is Ben and Nick.
Make sure you're following MAV and Scale also
as there's going to be a lot
coming over the next few weeks, months, and
like Nick was saying, a lot more than you can
even imagine. I wish
I could say, and
I know Nick was just, he could say as well, but
sometimes you've just got to sit tight and
just wait and believe and trust in the team and,
and this partnership. And, you know,
there's just so much to look forward to in the coming weeks and months.
So yeah, thank you all very much.
And I hope you all have a great rest of your day.
Thank you guys.
Cheers guys.
Cheers guys. Bye-bye.
Thanks everyone.
Thanks guys.
Bye-bye.
