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SOULBOUND GAMING
Recorded: June 5, 2025 Duration: 0:28:57Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the implications of Soulbound tokens, highlighting their potential for enhancing identity and reputation in gaming. The conversation also touched on the ongoing IDO sale by Soulbound TV, signaling a significant token launch, and raised concerns about inclusivity in the evolving crypto landscape.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Can you hear me?
Can you hear me?
Yes, indeed. I'm sure all of you on the stage here are familiar with this because I see some people jumping on
from their brand accounts and thank you for that.
But when you're trying to be both host and speaker, Twitter doesn't like that.
X doesn't like that.
Whatever it wants to be called these days.
I mean, it's been a year and I still call it Twitter.
still call it Twitter. So what does that tell you? I finally started calling it X because I just,
So what does that tell you?
since I used to work for Twitter, like it just makes me feel better that I worked for Twitter
and not X. But yeah, they still haven't figured out the whole spaces thing. Um, still run into
an issue at least once every space I'm on, I think. Yeah, I'm realizing now too that it's not picking up my microphone or speakers,
which I'm connected via my mixer.
So I'm hearing it from my computer, which this is going to be crazy.
It's going to probably cause a loop, and I'm sorry about that, everybody.
But I'm going to keep going because this is not about me.
Okay, this is about all the people that showed up to be a part of this conversation today.
So I want to say GM to everybody who's here. I think some of my colleagues are yet to make their way up to the stage. But today we have a we have a pretty good chat. I'll update the topic at the
top of this space. Once we get into a spicy, spicy take, which is usually what ends up being the
title of the show. So you're in control. If you want to make this a spicy title, make it a spicy
conversation. But we have Mwaz back from AlphaBlocks, right?
I miscredited him last time, so sorry about that.
Also TenSet.
We have Daniel with Holonym.
And we have, who is this?
Marcelo, I believe, with Soulbound TV.
And then, of course, my usual kind of collaborators here, Jeff,
who is very likely behind the Yantide account because, I don't know, he hasn't been able to
log into Spaces from your personal account and Polaris as well. So we've got a nice group of
people up here. And I guess by show of hands, I see a couple
of like waving hands already. But by the show of hands, how many of you listened to the first
or second episode of this series? I want to see some hands.
All right. One, two, three. I got a heart, so Jeff can't take instructions.
Five, six.
All right.
We have a couple of people.
We have a couple of people that have been following the conversation.
That's amazing.
Pilaris, put your hand down.
Not yet.
You'll have time to speak, brother.
Cool. you'll have time to speak brother uh cool so we've been hosting this space code cloud and crypto now
for three weeks and the conversation tends to kind of revolve around identity and gaming
uh so for anybody who doesn't know ontology is a project that's been building in the decentralized
identity space since 2016
bunch of other really cool stuff that they've built you can go and check it out at ont.io
and you know one of the vertical that they're looking at uh to continue to explore and develop
on is gaming and so we said well what why not just reach out to the people who are building or playing or advising in this space or investing in as well in the space of gaming?
And so we've had a couple of people come through.
And last time, we actually had someone who was at the IP Summit.
someone who was at the IP summit. I think it was in Vegas. And they were talking about, you know,
I think it was in Vegas.
IP and how that relates to gaming, which actually turned out to be a really good conversation.
So without further ado, I'm going to go ahead and just get started because, you know, I like
the way my voice sounds, but it doesn't mean you have to like the way my voice sounds.
Today, we're going to be exploring what is the topic? Loot,
you can prove asset ownership and interoperability. And what we hope to take away from today,
let's see how far we can get. What if your XP loot or player rep couldn't be sold, but still
mattered everywhere you played, right? So we started this conversation about portability of identities and kind of
assets on chain the last couple of weeks. Well, in this episode, we're going to see how soulbound
tokens and zero-knowledge proofs can play into this, into the interoperability of assets and
game design, and yeah, see if we can't build a better game. Better is subjective, of course.
So let's kick it off.
For those of you who are new to the chat, let's start with Daniel.
Give us a brief intro.
Who are you?
What do you do?
Where are you coming from?
Keep it brief, and then we'll keep it going, and then we'll jump into some of the Soulbound
questions.
Yeah, for sure.
So I am Daniel. I'm currently working with the
human tech product suite. Specifically, they acquired human passport or get coin passport
not too long ago back in December, January timeframe. And so I've been working on and
deeply invested in proof of humanity, proof of unique humanity, as well as just like building privacy, preserving tech and enabling people to prove that humanity without compromising their anonymity.
And so I've done a decent amount of thinking about how that kind of applies in the gaming space.
And I'm happy to talk about that today.
Thank you so much.
I also think we dropped a last one of our speakers,
but that's fine.
Let's see if we can't bring them back up.
Miu, I see you in the audience. Hello, everyone.
What's happened?
Humpty is gone.
Yeah, I think we just lost our host.
It's okay. I'll help him out.
Soulbound, how are you doing, brother? Let's go.
Amazing. I guess I'll do my intro.
My name is Marcello, head of spaces here at Soulbound.
Oh, Humpty's back. Humpty, you back, baby?
Keep going. You're doing your thing.
Let's go.
We're a next-generation television.
We've merged Streamify, Agentify,
Gamblefy all into one beautiful
platform. Think of streaming,
but Web3
and a bunch of other beautiful things.
We've got our TG coming up very soon.
Currently running our IDO sale.
Check out our pinned post.
But yeah, super happy to be here.
Thanks for having us, guys.
Awesome.
Yeah, for some reason, Spaces is not liking me today,
but that's fine.
I don't like it usually either.
Cool.
And then we have Mwaz back again today.
GM, how are you doing?
GM, GM to those people who are actually welcoming the sun.
For me, it's almost like 9.15.
So good evening to the people who are logging in from Europe.
And good evening to those who are logging in from Asia.
And good morning to the Americans who just welcomed the sun and the beauty of the day.
I am actually working for AlphaBlox Ventures, which is a venture capital, also owns the
transit launchpad, been in Web3 and found actually Web3 as a gamer who was struggling to send money. And then you can all
imagine what went on with the rest of my life in Web3 and exploring all these things that's happening in Web3 and all these
things. And definitely a huge advocator of when it comes to DID and profiling in Web3.
So it's going to be an epic space and a lot to learn from you guys.
Amazing, amazing.
And then we have AliCat with Mew.
GM, how are you doing today?
Good to see you again.
What's up, guys?
Thanks for having me on.
I am AliCat.
I'm the community lead over at Mw aka cat in the dog's world
and we are one of the biggest meme coins on the solana blockchain uh and i have been in crypto
since 2013. awesome by the way thank you so much for keeping it brief everybody i know sometimes uh
i say that we get a long-winded so you guys are doing great already. You get a passing grade for today. So let's get into it. The first question, who knows what Soulbound is
and how that kind of works with on-chain assets?
If anybody knows, raise your hand.
If not, I'm happy to take it myself.
Hey, Soulbound TV, who knew?
Go for it.
Yeah, I'm Soulbound, bro.
That's me. Yeah, I'm soulbound, bro. That's me.
Yeah, all jokes aside.
Yeah, so soulbound, we think of like non-fungible tokens with NFTs.
These tokens, you know, usually when it comes to digital assets or NFTs, you're able to trade them.
In this context, they're bounded to your soul.
So even when you die, you take them into the afterlife and
then uh you no i'm kidding so yeah basically you get to keep these sbt's yourself you cannot trade
them off of your wallet which is uh really interesting i think it opens up the door to
many different other use cases i think of gaming right like especially when it comes to um data right having on-chain data i think is huge
right being able to check your player base seeing what's in their wallets i remember back in back in
the day back in my day uh when we used to play xbox achievements achievements were a thing right
and i always used to think how how cool would it be if those achievements were soulbound tokens where I'd be able to kind of carry with me the legacy of all my achievements across the virtual planes.
I'd be flexing with them right now.
I'd be like, look, guys, I got them all.
All GTA 5 achievements.
And that's how cool I am.
But on a real note, it gives data.
It really gives information to what people are interested in.
You get to really compare with other folks that might, you know, I might have a kinship.
Big shout out to Moaz here, a good friend of mine.
If I check his wallet and I see all the soulbound tokens that he has, we might build an even closer kinship and be like, yo, no way.
You got the Call of Duty one?
There's only 100 people that have those.
I have one too.
Suddenly, man, this guy's even closer to me.
And that might unlock other things, right?
If you're a community, if you're a project,
you want to do a little bit of an airdrop to other communities
that would probably really value what you're trying to do too
and you want to reward them and kind of vampire them
or however you want to word it.
It's a very good strategy because you're able to see what other people might be interested in
just based on what's in your wallet.
And especially if it's a soulbound token, you know that, you know,
you're taking it with them to their grave type of shit.
So, and you know that only people with real, you know, kinship towards a community
would have those soulbound tokens, right?
I think the Pudgy Penguins community
have done a really good job with that.
I joined very late, maybe about a year ago,
and only found out that they have, you know,
the real OGs have all the soulbound tokens,
and then they're rolling out other ones.
But what's cool is that as the years go by,
you could really tell who are the
most loyal community members based on the sbts that they have in their wallets which then you
know if ever they do another airdrop down the line with abstract or whatever or they do any other
cool things they could technically reward their most loyal and active supporters just based on
you know whoever's holding uh some of these sbts and some of these
sbts could be depending on how long you've hold you've held one of their their nfts how long you've
been part of the community how long you've held their token without selling those are obviously
just some uh very brief examples but you could really really look under the scope and see who
who deserves to be rewarded as a as a real supporter
and who isn't just based on i think on a soulbound token so yeah those are some thoughts i think uh
that are really interesting and why why uh why why would we even want to have soulbound tokens
in the first place yeah thanks so much for kind of defining that but also giving some real world
examples um i think in the last couple of spaces that, but also giving some real world examples.
I think in the last couple of spaces that we've hosted, we've landed on not everything needs to be on chain, right?
I think we talked about like on chain gaming.
What does that look like in the future?
And one of the things that I think was kind of kept coming back, excuse me, is that in terms of like gameplay and all that, those things can remain off chain just because, you know, performance, right?
But there are certain things that are,
could be considered valuable to live on chain.
One of those things being kind of our legacy or anything that would be like a marker of our legacy.
And so you're talking about here kind of these achievements, right?
That could live on chain and be persistent, which I think, again, that's another word that kept coming back in the last few spaces we have had about this is persistence is a valuable trait that blockchain enables in order to provide visibility into something, but also some sort of like long-term value
and more so probably even something
that you can build upon, right?
One of the things that I can think of
since you were bringing up like old gameplay mechanics
is whenever I was playing a game on the OG PlayStation
is those memory cards.
And those memory cards tracked my gameplay.
Those things were usable across the same platform,
but not my device.
I could use it on any device.
And I could take my player data with me, right?
And I could use that to unlock my personal kind of experience on a game
on someone else's console right which is it's a very rudimentary way of
creating portability in your data whereas when it's on chain right you
don't need a physical card, you just need a
connection to the internet and a way to sign in and prove your identity, which is, I guess,
what we're getting at is, you know, there's this opportunity here for games to have a persistent
achievement or reputation on chain.
So my next question here, and whoever wants to take this,
just go ahead and raise your hand or take it,
is what are the risks of too much permanence?
And I think I'll preface this by saying,
we did talk about what you wanna present to other people
in terms of who you are, who you don't know, right?
In other words, good rep versus bad rep.
So what are the risks of too much permanence?
And anybody go ahead and take that.
Go for it was thank you so permanence just just to clear it permanence what you mean specifically
by permanently having the SPD right yeah permanence being this thing lives on chain and lives on
chain forever yeah so I think like for example if we think about the Soulbound, if you go back to the
point of Soulbound, Soulbound was actually coming from something that comes from one
of the games that the crazy guy in Web3, we know the guy, we all know him.
He started with the game that he used to play and he got kind of attached to the merit system that we have in
games and i think when we are talking about sorbonne we're not talking about the reasons and the
the possibilities the sorbonne can actually bring in to the web3 to take out the speculation part
and attach it more to a merit kind of thing or attach it more to reputation signing
or signaling like what we see now for example
whatever I said but in what we see in crypto Twitter right now is a lot of
noise there is no signal and then depending on the soulbound that you are
having and that soulbound basically increases the person's merit that can
actually unlock let's
say i'm playing as a game where i would be able to trade starting nfts but though i am basically
given the nft for free from the game but i also have a soulbound token that actually increases
my merit gives me xp certain amount of xp i have to be in a certain level or a certain area that can unlock my NFT
that I can trade it. Even if I don't, I cannot trade it, but still I can actually use that NFT
to play the game that actually controls the financial speculation side. And that was one
of the reasons Vitalik actually was kind of frustrated back in 2022 when he started with
all this SolBond stuff and all these things and integrating into DAO Then Solbond was introduced into Web3 as a ward itself to Web3
Was not only for gaming but DeFi overall, but we are like gaming and to see us
So we only look into the gaming factor
But I believe even the gaming factor when we see games or game builders whether the game can be a shitty game
Or a very serious kind of game
But if we want to take the speculation side a little bit slower down The games or game builders, whether the game can be a shitty game or a very serious kind of game.
But if we want to take the speculation side a little bit slower down,
then the slow bound will be the profiling system of the user,
while that particular profiling system will unlock the tradable NFTs from the platform that the user will have to go to a certain marriage cycle to be able to get that NFT out
and be able to trade and all these things.
But to be honest, when it comes to on-chain certain things, I'm 50-50 onto that. I wouldn't
go into that rabbit hole. Why? But I'm 50-50 onto that.
Yeah, and we can keep exploring that. The next person up with a hand up is Filaris. Go for it, buddy.
Yeah, and we can keep exploring that. The next person up with a hand up is Filarij. Go for it, buddy.
Hi, everyone. So I'm going to be like the devil's advocate in today's conversation and probably an antagonist.
Even though I was like, you know, I gave quite a few pro soulbound, you know, pros, but come to think of it, like, you know, provenance and blockchain.
I mean, the transactions which you do on a blockchain are immutable.
So, like, you know, as long as the transaction is there, you know, the provenance is there. And I think, like, we still haven't really truly utilized this aspect.
And we haven't, like, really went deep into, like, you know, how can we actually use this technology to, like, you know, make the user experience a good one.
make the user experience a good one so so far with the what we've got in the soul band technology
it's just been like you know it's it's more extractive than anything what i feel like you
know you're just trapped because uh it's more of an entrapment rather than an empowerment because
if you if it's if it's provenance which you're trying to prove, then the transactions which you've done or the NFTs which you have held, you know, they should be enough.
Like, you know, why does Pudgy Penguins, why do I have to, like, you know, have a soul band for Pudgy Penguins to, like, tell them that I'm an OG Pudgy Penguin?
What if, like, you know, I don't agree with Lucas?
like you know i don't agree with lucas what if i don't agree with like you know all these different
uh founders because they tend to like you know change their their uh narrative as as as the
market flows so and and it's happened like you know being an avid user and enthusiast and and
someone who's like really passionate about this topic you know i've been a part of numerous projects and like you know when I was a part of
it it aligned to my thesis it aligned to my ideology and then like six months down the line
I realized that like you know it didn't align to my ideology so as far as providence is concerned
yes I would be a part of that because I've made certain transactions i've done certain actions which is
enabling me to be to state that look you know i like you know i've got on-chain proof that i was
a part of that community but at the same time i am i don't want to like associate myself to it to
the point that my soul is like you know trapped and i can't like let go of it you know what I'm
saying I got you buddy so before I let Jeff go because I see his hand up I wanted to make sure
that we caught exactly what you said because I think you said something that's quite uh important
and interesting and that is with soulbound tokens you have something that is permanently bound to you
that is maybe more visible than a transaction because if you're saying you don't want to be
associated with Pudgee even though your transaction where it shows that you bought a pudgy two years ago or three years ago that is permanently on chain as long
as blockchain exists right that is permanently on trade as a record of your transaction your
entry point to that community however you have a now something that is a like soulbound tokens which elevate attention of that transaction
in a way that maybe more closely a lot did i lose everybody again
more okay sorry yeah that more closely connects you to that narrative beyond when you exited that community which is
actually a very interesting thing to consider so handing it off to jeff i want to think also
how then can we let you opt in to share that provenance in a way that's more transparent and more elevated, I guess,
or more visible than a simple transaction. All right, go ahead, Jeff.
I think there's a couple of interesting points following on from Polaris on there as well,
though, is that we do run the risk of creating an old boys club, right, with soulbound tokens.
This idea that if you don't get those soulbound tokens, you're not part of that inner circle.
You're not part of that old boys network and that club, I think, can be quite dangerous.
And it's something that crypto has tried hard to avoid in some respects.
And I think we have to be careful not to make that happen again with the use of soulbound tokens.
And I am going to use one other criticism here, and i'm going to lower the tone a little bit
so bear with me it is an important point though right so if i've been playing big booby volleyball
chicks and unlocked every single achievement and played for 27 hours and done everything
possible to see everything in that game i don't necessarily want soulbound token following me around for the rest of my life,
telling everybody that I was the number one player
for big booby volleyball chicks, right?
And so there's a problem within that, I think, as well.
I want those soulbound tokens.
That sounds pretty awesome to me.
I'd trade them, but they're for me forever.
Yeah, they're soulbound.
Yeah, who would want to create those nfts right
i'd want to keep those just kidding man no that's a good example uh polaris did you want
did you want to add to that because i think you i see you on mute go for it buddy
to be those players
I was just laughing bro
Daniel go for it
to kind of build on that
another potential issue
