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SOURCE: Feeding the Machine
Recorded: Oct. 2, 2023 Duration: 0:59:28Space Recording
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Thank you so much for watching.
I'm good. How are you? Sorry, just I'm eating myself.
Oh, no. You're all good. You're all good. Where are you calling in from?
The studio in Berlin.
Oh, wonderful. Thank you. Thanks for making time. Is it, what, 6 p.m. there? Is that right?
Yeah, yeah, it is.
Nice. Well, thank you for joining us.
Where are you calling in from?
Oh, I'm in New York, Brooklyn.
Got it. Got it.
It's nice to finally chat. And hi, operator. Hi, Anya. How are you?
Oh, I wonder if she can hear me.
It does take a moment.
It might still be connecting.
And hi to everyone here. Thank you so much for coming.
I see Whitney, Casey, Bobby, Mikey. Thank you so much.
Do feel free to tweet about the space.
And then we can get started here as soon as we have everyone in the room.
Be wonderful.
Oh, here.
I'm trying to add you, Anya. I'm not sure.
I'm going to invite you to co-host and see if that helps.
Primavera, hello. I'm guiding you on stage now.
All right. Primavera, you should be good to go.
Hi, how are you?
Good, good. How about you?
Good, good.
It looks like Anya is connecting.
Let me see.
Elizabeth, can you send the co-host request again?
Sorry, I don't know what happened.
You're all good.
There, it should go through.
Oh, perfect.
I believe you're co-host now.
Hello, can you hear me?
Yes.
Wonderful.
I guess we're just looking for Lauren.
Yes, exactly.
Just waiting one more minute.
Thanks everyone so much for being here.
I see Casey and Deafbeef in the audience.
This is wonderful.
And Aria, hi.
How's everyone today?
I hope it's good weather where everyone is.
Where are you, Elizabeth?
I'm in New York.
Oh, cool.
Yeah.
What about you?
We just got to London.
Is that right?
Yes.
I'm in Gatwick Airport.
Reporting live.
Oh my God.
Airport Wi-Fi under test.
No, I know.
I'm a little, yeah.
Hopefully they don't decide to like clean all the coffee machines that I'm sitting next
to in the middle of my intro, but we'll see how it goes.
Oh, Lauren's here.
Hi, Lauren.
Great.
I'm inviting Lauren up right now.
Lauren, if you don't see an invitation, go ahead and request.
Oh, there you are.
Hey, Lauren, can you hear us?
Hey, yeah, I'm here.
How are you this morning?
I'm good.
How are you doing?
Good, good.
I believe you're in LA.
Is that right?
Yes.
Amazing.
So we're from Los Angeles to Berlin, I think is probably the British East, so I'm covering
quite a swath.
Well, I want to get started if that's okay.
We are starting a little bit late.
Thanks, everyone, for your patience and for adapting so well.
Let's go ahead and get started.
So hello and welcome to the Source Talk series.
My name is Elizabeth Sweet, and I'm the communications lead at Ferrofile.
I'm thrilled to be joined today by Lauren Lee McCarthy, Prima Verdi-Filippi, Sarah Friend,
and Anya Catherine from Operator for a conversation about feeding the machine as part of the Source Talk series.
Now, as most of you know, Source is a non-commercial exhibition on Ferrofile featuring artworks made in the last several years,
which use software as a medium.
The Source curators, Operator, Deafbeef, and Casey Reese spent hours discussing generative works that have impacted them over the years.
So here's an excerpt from the curator's statement to ground us.
This is not an attempt at a survey exhibition or defining a new canon.
This is simply a selection of work that the four of us are thinking about right now.
For those of us in the middle of art, code, and blockchains for the last few years,
there's been little to no time to pause and reflect on what has happened.
Source is our attempt to do that collaboratively.
Now, Anya Catherine and DGT from Operator, Deafbeef, and Casey Reese all wrote wonderfully thoughtful and super rich descriptions
of each of the 25 artworks exhibiting in Source, and I recommend that you go check those out.
And I have pinned to the top of the space three works by our artists joining us today,
Lauren Lee McCarthy, Prima Verdi-Filippi, and Sarah Friend.
And so each of these works require some responsibility by the collector in order to sustain its life,
and I'm sure we're going to jump into this in no time here.
And I'll just start by saying that for Good Morning by Lauren Lee McCarthy,
you must say hello to it, open it up, every 24 hours or it dies.
For Plantoid by Prima Verdi-Filippi, this piece feeds off of cryptocurrency,
and new forms of it can create its own art once it's funded enough.
And Life Forms by Sarah Friend are sustained by necessary transfer.
If they aren't given, if you aren't, if you aren't, sorry,
if you don't transfer your life form to someone else within 90 days, it dies.
So I'm super excited to have this conversation,
and I'm really grateful to introduce Anya Catherine, one of our Source curators.
Anya is one half of Operator, an experiential artist duo.
And I'm so excited for you to lead the discussion, and I'll pass it over to you, Anya.
Thank you for that intro and context, and I'm extremely excited to be speaking about all of these projects.
And I think I want to start, because I think definitions, while they're really annoying,
are also very interesting.
And thinking about generativity and, like, what the word generativity means in psychology,
which I thought was interesting for this discussion,
is it's the concern for the future, the need to nurture and guide younger people
to contribute to the next generation.
So thinking about how psychologists think about generativity in humans,
and then looking at all of these artworks that all kind of, I mean,
none of them feel or seem like they were created with, you know, a market in mind or profit in mind.
They're more entities that you release into the world and you decide their fate in collaboration
with the collector or, in the plantoid's case, with the public, who's not really a collector
because the plantoid can't be owned, in determining their fate and kind of almost testing us
and testing humanity to see how much we care for things that have no market value.
And I think all of these are really interesting ways to look at and ask that question.
And another thing that came up before I asked some questions,
and I would love to hear more from the artist, is when also thinking about these,
I was thinking about kind of alternative currencies.
And, of course, all of these are using blockchain.
I mean, but I feel like alternative currencies of care, generosity, and attention are also activated
in all of these works.
So I would love to know, because, I mean, I see roots, for example,
I mentioned in the description for life forms that this seems very linked to maintenance art
and the Manifesto for Maintenance Art of 1969,
which, you know, is saying that everyone wants to move forward
and everyone wants to do the next big thing
and everyone wants to build the next shiny bridge.
But we need to also have people that just maintain the systems that exist
and nurture and care in ways that are not glamorous,
in ways that people don't put on a pedestal.
And so I think the questions and the kind of themes I wanted to have today be about
were these alternative currencies of care, generosity, attention.
Maybe if maintenance was something that you were thinking about,
if you see these as tests at all, to see what humans value
and what they think is worth giving their time to or not, to be kind of a mirror.
I mean, I definitely felt a kind of way when our good morning died,
which you can read all about in that description.
But also the question of incentives comes up a lot.
And what do we do when there's no, what kind of incentives drive us?
You know, does it do something for you if you allow the life form to survive?
Because not many are left.
And I think these are all things that I enjoy about these
and links that I see between the three.
But I would love to know if any of you have thoughts on those questions or themes
or just your intention in releasing this into the world.
What did you want to do?
What conversation did you want to start?
Yeah, I'll drop a few thoughts responding to what you said,
unless it's someone else who wants to go first.
Yeah, I mean, I loved that you brought up the conversation about maintenance art
in the context of life forms,
because it was absolutely something I was thinking about.
It's something I've thought about a lot in the context of open source software,
where it's a huge conversation.
And in so many areas of life,
one very personal one
is the work that I think
most people on this call
probably
have experienced a little bit,
which is caring for your own software projects.
So life forms is itself like a thing that I have to maintain.
I released the project two years ago,
and I still get
bug reports,
feature requests,
some service that I'm dependent on,
updates itself.
So it's definitely has this meta layer
also all the time.
And secondly,
I think it's really interesting
that you bring up
alternative currencies,
especially ones around care and attention,
because I actually worked on one for a long time.
Before
2019,
it was the main thing I was doing.
And a mechanic
from the world of alternative currencies
called Demirage,
which is decaying money,
was one of the main inspirations
for the project.
That's
I have a huge smile on my face.
I look like a
strange woman in the corner of Costa
right now with this smile.
Another thing
before going to Lauren and Primavera
that I forgot to mention at the beginning
the creation of a kind of
system that all of these artworks have
between
you as the artist,
the artwork,
and then
whoever is interacting with
or owning it
and introducing
not just a system,
but in a way,
a relationship
and like new dependencies
that I think
you kind of implicate
people into
the fate of the artwork.
I just read this great quote
in this book by Lauren Berlant
that I love
that maybe has also
some relevance.
They talk about
the familiar friction
of being in relation
and this idea of
suddenly,
if someone collects,
it's not like
I own this thing.
Ownership is not
really the point.
Owners,
you're kind of,
you purchase it
and you now
are in relation
to you as the artist
or the artwork itself.
And so another thing
I would love to maybe
hear about
is the idea
of dependency
or relationships
created through
releasing these works.
Yeah,
maybe I can go next.
Yeah,
so I think
it's interesting
because
I love being
on this panel
because it's like
super cool
to be surrounded
by people
that are creating
blockchain-based
platforms.
I think
like the plantoid
has a slightly
different approach
because
it's actually
not something
that needs
to be taken care of
but rather
it's something
that is trying
to evolve
so that it can
take care
of itself.
And the first
characteristic of this
is that the plantoid
doesn't die
because
in my
conceptualization,
in my cosmology
of blockchain-based
life forms,
a blockchain-based
life form
dies
whenever the
blockchain dies
but that's just
one of the many
species.
But I think
the interesting
thing with the
plantoid
is that
it actually
has evolved
to become
so the goal
of the plantoid
is to
regenerate itself
or to create
multiple generations
and it has evolved
actually
since like
since the first
plantoid
of like
2014
which was
just
like a plant
that eats
bitcoins
and then
you know
of course
you get
donations
but that's
a very
that's a very
passive
you know
and then the
plantoid
says thanks
but that's it
you literally
just give money
away
in order to
see the
reproduction
but it's
more like
taking care
of the plant
and then
and then the
plantoid
has evolved
in order
to kind of
like get a
little bit
more fit
for the
environment
and realize
well actually
people are
more likely
to feed me
if they also
get something
in exchange
and so
the following
generation of
plantoid
moved into
ethereum
and started
providing
governance rights
to the people
that feed it
and so
obviously
then if you
want to be
somehow
influencing
the way
in which
the plantoid
will evolve
then you feed
it and then
you become
one of the
consultants
about the way
in which
it's going
to reproduce
itself
so that's
like a
little bit
of an
extra
benefit
and then
the latest
generation
of plantoid
realized
that that's
actually not
enough
because
as a
blockchain
based
life forms
you are
essentially
living in
a very
capitalistic
ecosystem
and in
order to
actually be
able to
sustain
yourself
you need
to play
the economic
game
and so
the newest
plantoids
are actually
creating
those seeds
which are
NFTs
so now
all of a sudden
people have
an incentive
to feed the
plantoid
not only
because they
want to
take care
of it
and not
only because
they want
to influence
its development
but also
because they
want to get
an NFT
in exchange
and potentially
monetize
this NFT
and sell
it and
speculate
it and
whatever
but the
more they
speculate
with the
the more
they feed
back into
the plantoid
and so
in this
sense
I think
the plantoid
is really
trying to
be as
independent
and as
autonomous
as possible
meaning that
it doesn't
want to
depend on
people
but rather
is trying
to create
an offer
that is
salient
enough
for the
humans
to actually
engage
with it
and pollinate
it with
crypto
as opposed
being
more
of a
or a
little
plant
that
need
constantly
take care
and if
you don't
take care
of it
it might
there's a
slightly
I guess
more
proactive
approach
autonomy
self
sustainability
I completely
hear that
distinction
and you
know that
I think
that
plantoid
badass
independent
person
I actually
have a
major
crush
plantoid
you know
this
but I
think
what you
said
it is
like
you meant
I mean
why do
you think
that you
had to
introduce
incentives
to care
and I
understand
it's not
care
like it's
going to
because it
will live
even if
people
don't
feed
plantoid
if they
don't
feed
plantoid
then
plantoid
also
doesn't
evolve
so it's
not about
it dying
but it's
about it
continuing
and so
you did
introduce
incentives
for people
to do
that
because it's
almost like
maybe there
wasn't enough
of an
incentive
when it
was just
like I
know
that
plantoid
going to
have
some
rights
over
which
artist
creates
the next
like did
you reach
a moment
where you
were like
I'll never
have
plantoid
if I
don't
produce
incentives
because people
weren't
incentivized
by just
having a
role in
the story
and continuing
plantoid
and seeing
where it
goes
that you
needed to
introduce
outputs and
things that people
could own
and trade
need to
need to
need to
need to
need to
need to
need to
need to
I think
it's
more
in the
aesthetic
narrative
of the
thing
the goal
of the
plantoid
is to
evolve
in order
to become
the most
fit for
its own
environment
and as
plantoid
found
itself
into
environment
in which
all of
students
and everyone
wants
NFTs
natural
evolution
of the
plantoid
is that
it should
actually
provide
people
in order
maximize
chance
survival
chance
reproduce
itself
it's
more
like
exploration
evolutionary
Darwinism
of course
when I
created
the first
plantoid
it was
the most
for its
environment
because
it was
a time
in which
you have
a lot
of people
with
Bitcoin
that
have
idea
spend
them
really
happy
donate
Bitcoins
plantoid
this
longer
case
today
things
need
evolve
environment
changing
and therefore
speciation
also needs
evolve
right now
it seems
that
dominant
strategy
is to
issue
NFTs
I don't
know
in a few
years
it might
something
different
I don't
know
and the
point
no one
knows
environment
will
decide
which
plantoids
that
have
actually
traits
that
most
appealing
most
salient
environment
which
therefore
will
actually
be able
acquire
enough
funds
reproduce
it's
really
fascinating
and this
idea also
that
plantoid
cannot be
owned
I think
really
interesting
it kind
of brings
me to
something
I wanted
to talk
Lauren
about
which
consider
people
that
have
good
mornings
collectors
good
morning
or do
you feel
like
they're
doing
something
else
what is
that
relationship
do you
see it
as a
thing
that
they
have
they
entered
into
world
relationship
with
relationship
with
what was
your
intention
and how
do you
imagine
or describe
that
relationship
I think
owning
something
is a
relationship
they're
entering
relationship
and yes
they've
collected
something
and they
something
I guess
I wanted
question
impulse
to be
constantly
generating
more
to have
more
because
I think
at some
point
the more
things
you add
or collect
and take
into your
life
at some
point
you have
to make
some
decisions
about
what
you have
a limited
amount
of time
attention
so you
have to
make
some
decisions
about
what
you're
prioritizing
or you
risk
not really
paying
attention
anything
and so
the piece
is sort
of asking
for a
commitment
to see
every
and maybe
that's not
the thing
that you
want to
commit to
you realize
after collecting
but it's
in there
is a question
of what
are you
committing
what are
spending
your
time
what
are you
putting
your
attention
towards
and can
you do
that
intentionally
so that's
sort of
the relationship
I think
there's another
relationship
that I wanted
to speak
with this
work
also
which is
sort
expectation
of a
type
emotional
labor
that I
feel
expected
especially
of women
in a
much higher
degree
and so
here's a piece
that's
sort of asking
you every day
to perform
some social
labor
whether you
want to
or not
to kind
of ask
the question
of how
does that
feel
how does it
feel to be
asked
to perform
socially
even in
the times
that you
don't want
because I
think some
of us have
that experience
very frequently
and maybe
others
that's less
familiar
yeah I
think all
the artists
here know
the pressure
that you're
referring to
and I
hadn't
actually
thought
about
that
kind
mirroring
the social
and emotional
labor
of you
know
just being
being
present
all the
time
and I
think
what's
interesting
that came
up with
primavera
and plantoid
is kind
they all
have to
do with
like trying
to survive
in certain
environments
and I
think they
all speak
a lot
like
plantoid
realizing
what in
order to
continue
evolving
needs to
do this
or provide
this incentive
or give
NFTs
Lauren
your
commentary
on in
order to
survive
in this
environment
there's a
certain
degree of
presence
or social
labor
that is
required
continue
evolve
doesn't
mean
that
example
if we
draw
that
parallel
just
being
artist
three
it's
like
if you
stop
performing
that
emotional
labor
you're
going
literally
might
able
continue
evolve
might
lose
relationships
presence
that's
needed
continue
doing
your
craft
doing
what
want
think
they're
speaking
different
ways
kind
also
ways
that
artists
expected
evolve
adapt
survive
within
think
particularly
I think
a web
three
and crypto
ecosystem
thoughts
on that
well
one of
research
interests
this
past
year
been
guess
dynamics
areas
where
feel
like
there
closely
related
tension
between
sort
care
emotional
labor
speculative
market
just a
market
general
conversations
with
nurses
workers
other
people
social
media
influencers
outside
arts
because
feel
like
there
parallels
really
interesting
dynamics
these
other
locations
where
care
presence
emotional
connection
something
intangible
difficult
quantify
also
interacting
with
system
price
market
mechanisms
I guess
agree
that
that's
part
being
artist
being
sort
present
a way
that
difficult
quantify
have
people
this
is a
question
open
because
know
Sarah
I think
last time
we talked
like 19
life forms
were still
alive
which means
the vast
majority
have died
Lauren
I'm not
sure how
many good
mornings
are still
alive
Prima
I would
love to
hear
conversations
that have
spurred
between
people
have
participated
they
peace
know
felt
really
quite
when
good
morning
died
because
felt
like
exactly
what
mentioned
Lauren
and I
think
a lot
of us
feeling
this
Anna
Maria
Carriera
I see
here
just
talked
about
this
last
week
have
such
limited
time
attention
it's
becoming
really
difficult
to keep
without
sacrificing
thing
another
whether
it's
health
opportunity
traveling
versus
staying
home
working
just
feeling
like
there's
constantly
conflicting
needs
desires
a sense
ambivalence
about
what
is the
right
thing
commit
that
amidst
feeling
like
there's
pressure
from
different
angles
being
able
argue
direction
have
conversations
been
with
people
have
life
form
good
morning
plantoid
I would
love to
hear
that
response
been
particular
moments
that
stood
maybe
I can
jump
actually
just
wanted
something
that
during
exhibition
I think
Sarah
you said
something
that
super
interesting
like
idea
that
right
every
time
life
form
dies
it's
actually
know
terrible
it's
like
didn't
take
care
that
there
also
world
which
life
forms
have
standardized
beautiful
death
just
like
actually
codify
fact
that
they
meant
have
their
sunset
clothes
think
it's
also
interesting
like
know
what
what
that
value
value
piece
because
amount
life
then
might
want
spend
more
time
with
because
know
that
this
only
time
interact
with
value
time
spent
with
piece
becomes
higher
like
since
they
actually
issue
NFTs
think
that
people
that
feed
them
sudden
they
really
like
become
little
pollinator
know
it's
like
sudden
also
become
little
like
feel
like
like
parent
something
like
know
that
have
this
little
seed
your
hand
that
this
ownership
because
don't
really
plantoid
there
this
sense
that
have
collected
that
thing
that
seed
know
that
this
seed
part
plantoid
know
that
seed
something
that
enable
another
planter
live
think
being
able
have
this
little
artifact
actually
brings
people
feel
much
more
have
much
stronger
relation
with
plant
then
it's
just
gave
money
governance
right
it's
just
gave
money
some
like
think
in the
evolutionary
Darwinism
perspective
strategy
issuing
good
economic
value
strategy
because
increased
obviously
funds
that
will
given
because
speculative
dynamics
think
also
increased
somehow
emotional
relational
value
that
people
feel
they
have
created
with
Plantoid
Do you
think
it's
because
output
that
do you
think
it's
because
example
poems
that
Plantoid
writing
based
interaction
collector
Plantoid
like
wonder
more
simple
exchange
like
money
here's
thing
versus
something
that
feel
caused
word
that
said
makes
also
feel
a bit
more
personal
like
have
you're
more
invested
relationship
part
growth
part
Plantoid's
story
because
what
reflected
what
Plantoid
makes
I think
there's a
relationship
with the
because
personalized
it's
co-creation
created
with
Plantoid
this
sense
it's
like
feel
sense
authorship
paternity
in the
copyright
sense
think
also
provides
additional
sense
relational
value
with
Plantoid
itself
because
feel
that
this
little
pollinator
that
helping
reproduce
that
even
sell
you're
separating
yourself
from
it's
still
little
your
that
traveling
being
disseminated
actually
feeding
back
into
Plantoid
treasury
there
seems
to be
from
experience
there
seems
to be
very
strong
connection
both
with
also
with
plant
that
issued
because
this
tangible
which
know
that
this
sense
care
actually
you're
caring
yourself
first
because
really
just
sell
making
money
actually
that
know
that
you're
somehow
supporting
reproduction
Plantoid
which
gives
double
satisfaction
yeah
it's
a little
like
conscious
consumerism
right
with
coffee
shop
it's
like
this
water
earth
going
saved
it's
like
hydrated
saving
planet
yeah
kind
logic
thing
want
bring
there's
request
don't
know
we're
doing
questions
Elizabeth
that
planned
open
artists
since
Plantoid
doesn't
feel
like
it's
it's
definitely
major
decision
decide
that
work
will
like
even
word
death
felt
away
when
Good
Morning
died
currently
have
life
form
feel
like
going
redeem
myself
letting
life
form
some
guilt
wanted
talk
about
death
artwork
also
feelings
guilt
that
might
caused
whether
that
guilt
productive
evoke
people
asking
what
else
around
them
might
dying
because
neglect
them
committing
enough
time
whether
it's
health
relationship
whatever
basically
question
decision
have
work
whether
guilt
part
artwork
well
will
Anya
not only
have
life
form
actually
have
first
life
form
kill
friendship
ended
tell
which
maybe
most
superficially
obvious
feature
your
life
form
more
than
days
won't
kill
because
personally
care
first
three
life
forms
that
mean
that
other
people
care
them
really
naggy
obnoxious
about
around
time
that
they
need
to be
transferred
sort
assistive
function
yeah
but I
guess
just to
speak more
generally
about
death
life
forms
absolutely
have this
dynamic
where
they die
and it's
presented
as sad
or a
thing
and of
course
we have
attitudes
towards
death
outside of
the context
of this
artwork
often
that attitude
is that
death
is bad
as well
for obvious
reasons
we can
have
different
kinds
relationships
huge
phenomena
in reality
context
death
outside
life
forms
know
there
movements
towards
death
acceptance
there
dialogues
around
know
well
dating
in book
form
to the
1500s
so I
guess
there's
there's
hand
hand
of the
story
where
it's
very
that
less
than
life
forms
of the
something
that
have
been
created
currently
alive
then
there's
another
sort of
version
where
maybe
that's
just
what
right
them
guess
start
feel
like
game
life
forms
needed
alternate
ending
though
because
some
these
life
forms
very
cared
so for
example
I was
in Toronto
a couple
weeks ago
and I
had a
conversation
with a
friend
there
been
caring
life
form
with
some
other
people
company
almost
since
project
launch
hinted
that I
going
to do
something
around
life
form
stuff
and he
really
like
you're
going
care
about
life
form
people
have
kinds
feelings
about
started
feel
like
project
needed
second
ending
good
life
this
life
form
passed
through
wallets
many
close
friends
respected
peers
ready
to say
goodbye
this
life
form
this
life
form
equivalent
year
person
hospital
room
filled
with
their
great
grandchildren
there's
distinguish
that
death
from
death
neglect
case
life
form
where
just
forgot
transfer
actively
working
sort
state
change
that
available
life
forms
after
certain
I've
been
meaning
drop
announcement
actually
already
just
waiting
some
where
need
some
fixes
actually
make
page
look a
little
cuter
coming
soon
some
more
info
about
that
sort
extension
project
really
love
that
going
before
said
that
holding
this
life
form
comes
with
assistance
remembering
going
right
after
this
call
like
please
schedule
meeting
this
together
over
Zoom
just
don't
fuck
really
happy
about
that
makes
feel
better
Lauren
know
have
heart
love
hear
your
thinking
behind
having
good
mornings
dying
what
means
what
means
sorry
repeat
that
just
lost
worries
just
thinking
around
choice
have
good
mornings
also
curious
there
other
iterations
were
thinking
other
than
opening
browser
window
like
would
love
hear
there
were
other
ways
that
were
thinking
that
could
attended
every
guess
choice
make
really
appreciate
endings
think
sometimes
things
need
happy
with
decision
that
this
performance
that
guess
also
interested
performances
that
exist
over
duration
kind
as long
want
them
thought
this
performance
that
perform
that
lasts
as long
as you
want
you're
able
this
actually
variation
sort
sister
piece
another
piece
that
2021
called
good
night
that
piece
it's
single
whoever
owns
text
that
person
good
night
every
night
before
sleep
this
automated
anything
it's
just
making
that
commitment
then
performing
that
ritual
that
person
then
that
transfers
someone
else
then
good
night
text
would
transfer
as well
this
performance
that
will
continue
long
alive
guess
addition
thinking
about
endings
NFTs
endings
activities
rituals
that
participate
it's
also
thinking
about
just
finite
amount
time
that
have
live
think
sometimes
feel
more
touch
with
that
than
others
definitely
over
course
pandemic
felt
much
more
connected
idea
mortality
thinking
about
what
want
spend
limit
time
have
doing
what
want
spend
yeah
that's
really
powerful
love
good
night
piece
a lot
Elizabeth
want
take
there
question
that
person
took
their
request
might
have
just
been
yeah
real
question
happy
take
questions
artists
that's
something
that
you're
interested
also
want
each
other
questions
could
question
that's
that's
okay
that's
opposed
course
guess
this
question
Lauren
although
does
apply
everyone
thinking
about
what
said
about
expectations
emotional
labor
also
started
conversation
kind
talking
about
values
currency
wondering
think
about
altruism
selfless
concern
well-being
others
with
good
morning
when
commit
routine
with
artwork
someone
else
there
altruism
involved
selfless
what
serving
here
guess
question
well
guess
this
case
serving
things
you're
part
this
group
people
that
have
decided
this
ritual
think
participating
there
sense
that
you're
contributing
that
shared
activity
then
other
hand
think
serving
artwork
some
sense
times
these
artworks
speculated
used
financial
instruments
liked
idea
that
this
actually
that
only
exists
long
consider
interact
with
artwork
think
that
actions
collectors
doing
that
opening
literally
looking
engaging
with
kind
support
that
seeing
work
seeing
thing
that
they've
collected
yeah
and then
again
like I
think
there
larger
questions
about
just
general
what
want
spend
your
time
doing
maybe
it's
opening
artwork
every
maybe
it's
talking
someone
else
your
life
hoping
that
kind
provoke
those
questions
maybe
there's
different
sense
altruism
that
comes
that
thank
spurred
that
made
actually
have
this
huge
revelation
neglect
multiple
areas
life
from
that
piece
time
because
kind
it's
simple
it's
such
easy
thing
especially
you know
on my
laptop
every
single
that
opening
this
browser
window
just
felt
like
when
couldn't
manage
that
then
piece
died
realized
kind
like
ungrounded
must
that
something
simple
slipped
through
cracks
that
couldn't
manage
like
device
that
most
think
kind
made
realize
that
there's
probably
a lot
really
important
things
that
even
right
next
person
maybe
maybe
it's
someone
think
about
a lot
don't
like
send
message
like
know
grandmother
getting
like
these
kinds
questions
think
also
fact
that
this
source
conversation
we're
talking
about
things
like
care
neglect
death
and guilt
time
ritual
makes
really
happy
think
it's
really
important
anything
between
artists
like
have
questions
thoughts
generally
that
missed
didn't
come
that
you'd
like
share
about
your
artwork
anyone
else
would
love
think
about
have
blockchain
based
life
forms
interacting
with
another
right
feel
like
whole
human
life
form
interaction
think
would
really
nice
create
little
life
forms
that
have
their
capacity
recognize
each
other
interact
with
another
maybe
like
just
little
taste
don't
know
sublantoid
was like
the first
attempt
mine
create
blockchain
based
life
form
there
blockchain
based
life
form
that
coming
which
similar
in the
sense
also
some
blockchain
based
creature
that
trying
evolve
that
also
cannot
owned
even
though
it's
purely
it's
a purely
digital
creature
just
cannot
interact
with
interact
with
feed
course
more
feed
more
loves
more
loves
more
life
form
things
including
mate
with
another
life
forms
only
which
extract
funds
essentially
it's
black
hole
crypto
some
love
crypto
never
leaves
little
they're
called
aminals
crypto
never
leaves
aminals
belly
with
exception
manage
convince
aminals
reproduce
themselves
then
they
will
give
little
their
treasury
aminal
during
pregnancy
there
possibility
people
inject
genetic
traits
which
essentially
like
visuals
inject
code
then
people
that
aminals
parents
love
they
vote
traits
that
will
inherit
then
once
receives
treasury
from
parents
will
redistribute
that
treasury
genetic
engineers
that
have
contributed
genetic
code
nice
thing
actually
have
sexual
reproduction
it's
just
blockchain
based
life
form
cloning
into
something
else
actually
need
find
aminals
that
will
reproduce
themselves
also
a little
again
like
idea
care
like
actually
feed
them
because
want
them
love
then
course
there
ways
which
monetize
this
love
which
cannot
speculate
there
speculative
dynamics
possible
sense
that
cannot
love
order
inject
genes
that
created
then
a lot
money
because
those
genes
become
very
prolific
species
aminals
because
they
nice
genes
then
actually
make
a lot
money
because
whenever
that
gene
being
reproduced
portion
those
shares
what
really
interested
looking
dynamics
market
blockchain
ecosystem
which
essentially
money
economic
based
ecosystem
how do
actually
create
life forms
that
cared
they
actually
they
actually
cuddled
they
also
genetic
improvements
it's
gonna
happen
just
wait
just
because
need
design
something
that
such
that
ecosystem
environment
value
caring
them
think
it's
interesting
also
on a
broader
level
because
also
raises
question
how do
actually
design
incentive
profitable
charity
conscious
environmentally
just
speculation
how do
create
system
which
you're
doing
something
good
yourself
while
also
doing
something
good
resources
around
yeah
Aminal is
the next
iteration
blockchain
based
life
funds
still
huge
work
progress
I think
it's
going to
super
I would
love to
hear a
conversation
between
Primavera
Darwin
you know
maybe
later
need to
make
Darwin
know
Lauren
hard
closing
thoughts
from
Sarah
Elizabeth
questions
from
audience
this
really
really
I'll
just
that
it's
been
pleasure
talk
about
work
such
density
which
think
brought
really
strong
conversations
between
all the
pieces
yeah
it's
been
really
happy
here
thank
creating
these
works
from
audience
there
questions
that
have
yeah
feel
free
feel
free
raise
your
hand
request
speak
bring
then
ahead
close
know
it's
it's
over
hour
have
question
feel
free
invite
yourself
speak
really
want
thank
this
conversation
today
it's
been
think
really
important
something
I've
been
thinking
about
well
care
emotional
labor
much
time
attention
give
things
especially
things
phones
only
artworks
communities
people
digital
lives
have
become
what
really
means
in terms
routine
care
only
each
other
ourselves
this
conversation
giving me
a lot
think
about
really
want
thank
today
being
here
agreeing
this
talk
Anya
curating
going
together
this
really
beautiful
just
want
thank
being
here
speaking
openly
deeply
about
your
work
it's
been
wonderful
thank
Elizabeth
Feralphile
think
closing
thought
would
just
like
again
highlight
what
think
these
works
bring
powerfully
but I
think
often
forgotten
know
there
a lot
excitement
a lot
shiny
a lot
there's
a lot
interest
excitement
momentum
around
things
that
but I
think
what's
really
important
this
again
goes
back
like
manifesto
maintenance
1969
realizing
stepping
back
looking
maintaining
systems
creating
know
we're
building
infrastructures
digital
physical
it's
exciting
that
things
progressing
people
that
making
sure
that
still
works
every
single
over
time
over
years
over
generations
just
recognize
remember
that
work
also
Lauren's
piece
kind
reminds
know
small
daily
rituals
that
what
choose
spend
time
doing
choose
spend
time
with
these
versions
maintenance
upholding
systems
machines
that
place
just
aware
that
time
I think
it's
really
important
thank
thank
I will
maybe
also
that
don't
artworks
lack
attention
don't
they
thank
everyone
yeah
thank
much
just
want
encourage
everyone
visit
exhibition
please
explore
life
forms
plantoid
good
morning
they're
feral
file.com
and also
read
reflections
curators
operators
deaf
beef
Casey
Reese
I will
give
a quick
overview
of what
we have
coming up
for the rest
of the
week
we are
in the
middle
of the
source
talk
series
again
thank you
for joining
us today
and for
everyone
who's
who's
joined
past
talks
and for
all the
future
ones
to come
coming up
next
Wednesday
we're
back
with a
talk
between
Jonas
Lund
deaf
beef
called
chain
accidents
moderated
Whitney
Hart
Thursday
Vinnie
Valenzuela
and I
will sit
down
with
Maya
Mann
Zebrun
Verstig
in a
talk
called
internet
made
then
Friday
we're
joined
Sasha
Styles
Judy
Ma'am
Dada
in a
talk
called
creating
creative
moderated
other
half
operator
then
Monday
close
source
talk
series
we're
discussing
fabrics
time
space
with
Anna
Lucia
finger
code
Sarah
Zucker
Travis
Smalley
that'll
monitored
Madeline
Pierpont
again
I just
want to
thank
Lauren
Lauren
Primavera
Sarah
really
thank you
all so
much
being
here
agreeing
show
your
work
show
course
source
curator
Anya
Catherine
thank
making
time
thank
really
these
busiest
time
thank
your
care
attention
today
yeah
I hope
everyone
has a
great
we'll
Wednesday
everyone
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