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Space Riders x Long Lost | Cross Community Hangout 🏄♂️🌀
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 1:58:52Space Recording
Short Summary
In a vibrant discussion among crypto enthusiasts, key topics included the announcement of a Her NFT giveaway, insights into community growth, and the importance of authenticity in engagement. Participants expressed optimism about the future of crypto and NFTs, emphasizing the need for sustainable practices and collaboration within the community.
Full Transcription
Thank you. What is going on, happy tuesday hope you're doing well we'll get everything situated
here with the gang momentarily zubik will get you up here of course anyone else that wants to pop up
feel free to grab a mic open discussion discussion, but I know having some of these
intentional one-on-one spaces with other founders,
other leaders, is something that I've always come to really, really
appreciate. So hopefully you guys can hear me okay. I know I've been
doing some connection issues lately, but like I said, you guys are welcome to
come up, hang out zubik i'll
i'll get you a co-host too and anyone that you want to bring up from the community welcome to
to do so as well uh i'll give the early alpha here if you guys are at all interested in a giveaway
we're gonna do a fun little giveaway tonight we We'll do a Her NFT under the Uncanny ecosystem.
So if you guys are a fan of Cod, Cod Moss, and his art cousin to Breezy,
we'll do a fun little giveaway.
Might have been a little connection issue on Zubikson.
We'll get him back in here.
But again, be sure to share this space out.'s get some friends in here nix appreciate you jumping
in i see you down there but yeah like i said let's get this space shared out i'm gonna get a couple
of things pinned up to the top of course we've had a lot of great great spaces this month and i know
that we'll have a number of other great spaces coming up here as well so like i said be
sure to share the space out like and repost for sure like and a comment if you'd be so kind to
repost let people know we're in here we're going to get this space going we'd love to see you know
30 35 40 people in here hanging out i know that zubik is honestly one of the few people that I really, really look up to in the space.
And I was working on some sort of post I was going to put out last night.
And I'm like, you know what, I'll save it for a different day.
But I know we were just hanging out in the cross-community space, the Be Good space that Treble does weekly on Tuesdays.
And honestly, that's just been a, it's been a joy. It's been a blast to,
you know, to be around some of the brightest people here in the space. I think,
you know, you have people from, you know, Souls with Kabu, Camo from Sugartown, Zubik's been there,
Druby, you know, people from the Goons. I mean, Carlo, people from Bearish, I mean,
just across the board, you know, incredible, incredible people.
So it's always fun just to see, again, the different people that are here in this space
coming together.
And, you know, again, Zubik amongst other people too, you know, whether it's super high
gas fees or Breezy from Uncanny or there's so many different people. But I know especially those handful of people have honestly really taught me a lot just
about, you know, being able to express your thoughts in the first place and really just
not giving, not giving two flying farts, as I'll say.
But it's more so just, you know, hey, post what you like and what you enjoy and people
will engage with it.
They may not.
And at the end of the day, it's like life still moves forward.
Life still moves on.
So, yeah, like I said, super excited for the space night.
Again, you guys are welcome to grab a mic, jump up, hang out.
Again, free-flowing conversation.
You know, we'll talk about the space abroad and some specifics along the way.
We'll share, you know, what's going on with the space riders.
We'll share a little bit what's going on with Long Loss,
and just have a free-flowing conversation.
Of course, like I said earlier too, we'll do a fun little giveaway.
So tag a couple of friends.
If you want to share it in a group chat, more than welcome to,
or even just send it to a friend directly.
Like I said, and speaking of which, see breezes in here too so we'll uh yeah maybe you'll have him jump into the mix as well
but like i said we'll do a fun little giveaway as well for for tonight's space so if that
interests you guys you don't have a her nft be sure to engage interact and we'll we'll pick one
lucky winner at the end of tonight's space.
But Zubik, it was great to hang out with you earlier, like I said, in travel space.
Got to hear a lot from your end about a couple of different topics and things that have been going on.
So looking forward to continuing the conversations here tonight.
I'll kick it over to you.
Anything that you want to kind of just open up the space with?
Different thoughts?
How your day's been going? what's going on this week,
interesting things that you're seeing.
How are you doing tonight?
Yeah, good, man.
Yeah.
I hope, uh, hope you're doing good too.
I know we were just, um, we were just on that space, uh, with, uh,
with trouble there, um, for, for an hour and a bit.
That was a, that was a good space.
I popped down kind of halfway through and was listening for the rest,
but, um, no, it was a good space i popped down kind of halfway through and was listening for the rest but um no it was a good space man all as well um starting to starting to warm up here
over in toronto so it's nice but but yeah man things are good like i you know i think um we
there's a lot of um there's a lot of opportunity and sort of in this market where I,
I think like obviously macro wise, trade wise, all this stuff,
there's just a ton of uncertainty.
This is just obvious to everybody.
And it almost like, you know,
I've been thinking a lot about NFTs and, you know,
L2s and a lot of the new things that are sort of coming out in crypto
um i'm so long-term incredibly bullish on crypto nfts and and just tech in general i've just
there's nothing that could steer steer me away from that um but all sort of all this
these turmoil and a lot of this um you know sort of with the with the trading stuff sort of all this turmoil and a lot of this, you know, sort of with the with the trade and stuff sort of move fast and break things sort of method.
It all kind of brings me back to crypto and the way that things operate around here.
And especially with NFTs, I think, you know, in the past three years, we've seen a lot of crazy stuff.
And I think we have an exciting year ahead, you know, like not just us, but, but all, a lot
of these collections around us, a lot of these new collections that will inevitably pop up
over the months.
And here in web three, we, you know, whether you take the slow approach or you take the
fast approach here in web three, you know, things get broken all the time.
People move too quickly.
And we sort of see, we see consequences from that, whether they're positive consequences, sometimes we can, there can be good outcomes or they're bad consequences.
And it sort of reaffirms that, you know, here we've got a lot of good collections that have sort of stood test of time, have done well and have cultivated a strong sticky support from people.
And earlier today, I was, you know, after Trouble Space especially, I was just, it made me that much more bullish on just specifically NFTs.
And because there's a really unique nature of this space, man,
I've been just thinking about a lot of stuff.
And I'm just sort of almost double,
more like twice as bullish as I was a week ago on it.
And it's because NFTs make you feel something, you know.
And sort of where I look at moving forward is to try to touch on those things, right?
How do you make people feel something?
Or how do you make people enjoy something, right?
At a raw angle.
Not, you know, come do this and we'll give you that.
Or, you know, here's this crazy reward or whatever.
Like, I think this sense of keeping a strong community,
which is obviously always over-talked, but everyone's like community,
this community, that, is actually something which is incredibly rare.
And I see this in Long Lost, Riders, obviously, the plague,
SEALs, you know, all these great collections around us.
And a lot of it reaffirms to me that the people who are here are actually very,
pretty serious about NFTs.
They're pretty serious in the way that we put our money, you know,
like they're just JPEGs, right?
Or so we say the way we put our money in it, in the way people build brands,
I really think NFTs are a superpower on that level.
So, yeah, man, it good good to get on this space
um i've been cab and i have been sort of chipping away on a few things um sort of back and forth on
some stuff there's uh you know we're looking at we have those the the boards and a lot of the
inventory and the stuff we're doing some new things that we're going to be introducing there
that some sort of some sort of new storylines and things alike um but introduction introduction of sort of
of new of new things that um are simple easy but attack but very sticky and attachable um and also
another sort of another big thing working on is with another industry partner to do some cool physicals.
And I think from the start, you know, Cab and I have always sort of been, we've always sort of steered away from the merchandise stuff and all that.
Like, I think we really focused on, like, how can we try to bring a cool experience by doing something on chain, like maybe staking your boards.
Or, you know know we did things
where we were able to mint things with the star token like these sort of cool things that like
inevitably like you can't keep them going forever because it just sort of like dilutes itself with
all these people but sort of those the those two things and then also um the branding and marketing
and tools so ai is gonna go crazy right and i think that's just another thing we've
dialed in on a bit in the past couple weeks and how to best manage you know if we want to introduce
something like ai or tools where people have sort of easy access to um that's kind of where it is
and so when we bring a better storytelling experience a better stickiness something
physical but again like Cab and I never really
thought, like, we just were never, we did a merch shop way back, but we weren't, like, clothing guys.
And for us to be able to meet with the people we have, we've been given a really good opportunity.
And it's going to be excellent. And obviously, like, people have been just poking me for it.
So I think it will do very well. And it'll be big for us too, the people we're doing it with.
And third is the AI.
So again, I think the strongest, those three things for us has been kind of a focus for the past at least month.
There was a couple of things that we did start working on.
At the end of last year, we kind of had this whole thing set up.
We were going to do this whole shop.
Then everything got sort of screwed up with, because we had a huge strike here with shipping and all that and
everything just fell out real fast so it was around christmas time everything was really busy and so
we put that off to the side but then we were presented with another opportunity to sort of
beef it up and make it i'll make it bigger marketing wise and also make it much more sticky
and and a better marketing angle.
And I think moving into this year, right, with NFTs and we're seeing all these new mints popping up,
we're kind of looking to like reaffirm that,
like, you know, we're here, right?
We have a great community.
If you want to be with us, then that's great.
Like, if you don't, whatever.
And also just doubling down on the people in the community.
Again, tools tools very important
i think we could be better at giving people access to certain things to help them grow themselves i
think that's a net new i think that is net positive for for everyone in a community and ecosystem and
fts in general um and then also you know seeing you know like we've had tons of people come to us
saying you know zubik when are you going to come over to Ape Chain?
When are you going to come over to Abstract?
When are you going to like I'm not, you know, Cab and I aren't really huge on the jumping around kind of thing.
You know, we're not like it's not like we're ETH Max.
We obviously Cab and I love ETH.
You know, that's kind of like our home.
But we're not really jumping at that, but something like
that, you know, things like that too, where we're thinking, you know, is there an opportunity,
you know, within, within the rest of the year here, um, where we can do something that again,
is a net positive for us, right. It doesn't take from people, but overall just helps the brand.
Right. And these are things that we actually can do. Um, so I think for us, right, like we've kind
of gone, we've, we've kind of gone,
we've moved away from that,
like try to get everything done really quick,
try to break things,
try to like shock people or do something great.
And we realized that, you know,
during the bowl that might've been awesome.
But nowadays with such a limited amount of people,
let's focus on more of like the juice of things.
And there's a lot of people in our community
that I talk to on a day-to-day basis,
some of the space lords, some of the people who hold 50 plus and even some of the holders who
have one or two who are just coming up with like all these different things um and ideas coming to
me saying you know we should implement something like this something like that um and i've talked
i've ran it by cab and lee in a lot of different ways some of it's going to require development
some of it will require um physical products some of it will require um physical products
some of it will require more community events um and i think for us again the things that we're
kind of narrowing in on will just be to reaffirm that like you know we are here because i think a
lot of things have been shallow i've been i've been drowned out kind of in this the space of
brand new mints and you know ponzi's and all this stuff and whatever.
So that's my little bit of ramble to start here.
You know, I've always thought SR is, you know, a really great community.
And with the, you know, and with you guys, the long lost in SR, like we've been around
for over three years now.
And we sort of have like a little bit of a lasting legacy that's kind of been solidified
in the space that people, you know, look at us and they say,
oh, yeah, you know, the Lost East, they've been around for three years now.
I remember when those guys minted.
Or, you know, the Plague, they've been around for a long time.
I remember when the Frogs minted the OGs.
And there's always, there's a lot of people here who are still very emotionally attached to the roots of the things that we've done.
And Cab and I talk a lot about how we can sort of strengthen that feeling on people um so it's
going to be more but more for us like we don't want to be jumping in and being like okay we're
dropping this like come pass and we're going to give you guys like a hoodie or we're going to
you know drop you another ft like we're trying to think in every way possible how we can actually
do that differently but attract more people in the ecosystem because we definitely could use more
people like we're not a top collection right so for me it's more okay there's a attract more people in the ecosystem, because we definitely could use more people. Like we're not a top collection, right? So for me, it's more, okay, there's a lot of people
in the space who look at us and are like, eh, not yet, or eh, I don't know. So it's like, how can we
reaffirm, grow the influence a little bit bigger that we already have, and then take that next
step once we get to that level? And I've always been very big on taking a more moderate approach
to it, because I think that
in more cases than not, people shoot themselves in the foot moving too quickly than actually
trying to think something through with real thought and how someone's going to attach to it.
So I think people are in their strongest element when they have access to tools,
when they use NFTs for brands and when people within your community
want to build products.
And that's kind of where we're trying to figure out how can we best give tools for that?
How can we as a team help them do that?
Because on a daily basis, we have a lot of time.
We're around this space, but we could be using more of this time to help optimize our holders
to do better things.
We haven't done a great job at that, I don't think.
And that's something that's a huge goal moving forward.
But also at the same time, how can we sort of garner a little bit more influence in a positive way, again,
without freaking ripping $400 out of someone's pocket for another dumb JPEG or something. So
the space has changed a lot. I'm very bullish, but I also try to look at where we're at,
the unique nature of NFTs, how we can double down on it while everything seems to be sort of going
to hell and macro and everything else and uncertainty so really bullish on crypto i know i'm
kind of rambling here but this is the focus you know from us i think till the end of this year
um experiment you know with some products with some partners in space which we're looking forward
to a lot of that's already in the pipeline um AI, because I think AI is just fucking, it's incredible,
but it's just getting started.
And three, how can we give some tools,
more tools to the holders
so they can leverage themselves as a brand?
And you can imagine if you have 10 super fans, great.
You have 100 super fans, even better.
You have a thousand of them, that's in a better choice.
So it all comes down to optimization. I think we've lost a lot of eyes. i think we've lost a lot of eyes i think we've lost a lot of holders a lot of
dead vacant wallets um way she goes but there's a there's a great there's a great future for nft
still i think um i don't think everyone's i don't think anyone's got it all figured out i don't know
if anyone ever will um but that's sort of the space for us approach, man. And we've, you know, in the past like month or two, we've seen a lot of, we've seen tons of sweep sales.
Like people come in with no strings attached.
And that makes Cabinet incredibly comfortable with the things that we do.
Because we used to try this approach at like doing anything we could to like get buys with this.
And like, you know, what can I give to get people to come sweep the floor and like we
realized this was just an inevitably it was a spiral like you it's good like in the short term
but like we kept seeing this same sort of results um so for us it was more like let's bring the
expectation right back down to the bottom let's let's make sort of a timeless feeling with this
collection where people want to buy it right not coming like oh zubik you know what's next or like what are you gonna do for this um people come
in and they buy like the other people come in and they'll sweep 10 and they'll just they'll be like
oh i just swept 10 riders i fucking love these things simple as that okay which is great but for
us right now it's like okay cap you know jacob how can we do better give these people more tools
how can we really let them grow and then we start looking at physical products and stuff too right um you know if we can even make good margins doing that here again
like i've talked a lot of founders with this you know i don't think a ton of people are actually
making a whole lot of money from like physical stuff like when you actually look at the real
numbers but i think there's a decent approach um that a lot of people are trying to take to
obviously scale and grow bigger and we're probably in the infancy of that um but i had when i had a call with cab last night and he's been working on a couple personal things
himself i'm like i kind of know half the story not the full thing but he's been working on some
things as well you know we kind of reaffirmed that like we're here it's sort of a timeless thing
you know people love what we have right but it's like let's just give them every little bit more
reason to love that um without again bringing this like, all the way up to the sky
where it's like, oh, we're waiting for this, we're waiting for that, we're waiting for this, right?
Stop the waiting. Bring back, like, that stickiness,
right? Bring back, like, I want this, right? Not because you told me this,
but because I want it. And then just make everything a little bit better. Just give them more.
And that is, like, the simple but the hard part to it, right?
And I think, you know, I don't have it fully figured out myself,
but this is where, like, I'm sort of thinking in a lot of ways,
you know, how can we change that?
And it's tricky, man, when you got a group of the same, you know,
five, three, you know, not even 5,000, maybe 2,000, 3,000 people
in all the same collections, but we're only just adding collections, three, you know, I'm not even 5,000, maybe two, 3,000 people in all the same collections,
but we're only just adding collections, right? On, on abstract or exchange. And I'm not,
it's not banter to these guys, but we're not growing as a space number wise, wallet wise.
So for us, it's like, okay, like, you know, now we got to focus on who's here, what we have,
let's bring, let's bring the, the, the, the goodness and the stickiness to these people who are here and then look at maybe
getting a little more influence outside of that, right? Like people in BAYC and Pudgy and all this,
like a lot of these guys have never fucking heard of us. And that's another thing that I'm looking
at too, because I understand liquidity, big money, all this stuff matters. And I think we could do
with more of that. You know, I think long loss could, I think all of the collections in our
small cap area could use this. So it's kind of, you know, where I've been loss could. I think all of the collections in our small cap area could use this.
So it's kind of where I've been looking at.
And just to think like, people like riders, but how can I make the people who like it love it even more?
And how can I make people who have been on the edge think, okay, you know what, this is pretty cool.
I don't think there's been enough convincing.
So that's where we're at.
And I've been talking with a lot of founders, especially recently with just a lot of the shit that's going on. Um, and everyone's
sort of taking one day at a time, following through with the deliverables or introducing
new things. But I still think we're seeing a lot more of the same of like people just dropping
additional collections on another chain or, or going and doing something sort of, um, I don't
want to say out of pocket, but just something different to like take away from the actual matter or what
people love your ecosystem for.
So anyways,
I'll shut up.
But in,
in a very long,
short way of saying that it's it,
you know,
not let's just move really quickly,
try to like,
say,
we're going to turn next and make people's jaw drops,
but just give people a little bit more reason to love stuff and fire from the hips. So it's been quite a couple months, but that's where we're at.
Man, that was just a series. One mic drop after another almost filled up a whole page. I'm trying
to take more notes. So I have more kind of direct follow-up points of where people are talking.
Literally a whole page just based on what you were sharing there i mean you know one just the overall stickiness of of
ecosystems obviously that's huge you know you were talking a little bit about you know maybe some
additional avenues or or ways to to stake whether it's staking boards or i mean you name it like
there's there's always different ways that you can you know maybe build something on top of what
you're already doing and it very much goes to something on top of what you're already doing.
And it very much goes to the point of what you were saying, too, with how can you make those people who already like it, like Space Riders or like Long Lost or any of these other collections that people are repping.
How can you have those people not only go from disliking it, but to loving it?
And then you said as well, people who are on the edge, you know, what can
we do with those people who are on the edge and they finally jump in and they're like, oh, screw
it. You know, like you said, I'm going to sweep 10 riders or you pick up a couple and then, you
know, you, you never really know that the ripple effect or the impact that can have on other
people's networks too. You know, even if it's not immediately, at least there's, there's probably
seeds that are planted in other people's minds of like, okay, like space riders, at least there's, there's probably seeds that are planted in other
people's minds of like, okay, like space riders, like Zubik, they're at least on my mind now,
or same with, you know, long loss as well. It's like, okay, the Lassies have been here,
the riders have been here, you know, like you said, the plague, you know, I've been holding for
over two years now, you know, like that was a huge part of my journey and they've been here for a
long time. And so as you're, you know, as you're just kind of sharing i mean that's that's the biggest thing is even with new chains
you know you've you've like you said you've you've been probably approached more more times than you
can probably count of you know are you doing something on this chain are you doing something
over here what do you you know and there's there's people left and right that you know want to to see
you guys do something you know know, for whatever reason,
you know, maybe it's for additional exposure, clout, or, you know, flipping a profit, or,
you know, maybe it's just the fact that they want to have some sort of touch point to a place that
they actively kind of hang out around, you know, seeing all the people that are on Ape Chain,
I think a lot of people that have, you know, come to know the brand or come to know yourself, you know, they spend a lot of time. There's very
dedicated people over on ApeChain, just like there's very dedicated people over on Abstract
or, you know, any of the new layer ones or layer twos that are coming out. And it's kind of like,
well, you know, we've planted our flag here. We'd love if, you know, you come and plant your flag here
too, so to speak. And it's like, well, you know, as you said, there's, there's, there's something
about legacy. And I know that's something we've thought a lot about at Long Loss too, is okay,
rather than just jumping with everyone else, just because it's the thing to do, or, you know,
because people, you know, see opportunities, like, I don't want to do it just because other
people are doing it, you know, and I think that's the way, at least from what I was picking up,
just hearing you reiterate this again, the perspective that you and Cap have, you know,
where it's, you know, we're not trying to do something just to extract, you know, money out
of people's pockets, like you're trying to do something that makes sense and make something
that fits. And I think that's one of the one of
the most difficult things even when it comes to to trading you know i've heard a lot of people
say who have made you know six and seven figures over and over they've round tripped a lot of it
too they've also had again obviously some wins but it's it's not so much you know being able to
but it's, it's not so much, you know, being able to, you know, go into as many trades as possible.
You know, the hardest thing is, is sitting on your hands and not going into things foolishly
and not just, you know, dumping a bunch of your, your capital, your, your wallet, an absurd amount
into a single trade. And so again, something that we've seen, something that I've
seen is, you know, being able to stay patient, you know, like you said, sometimes things stay
quiet, you know, maybe there's a couple months stretch or a couple of quarters in a year where,
you know, you're, you're really just hunkering down and, you know, you're having offline meetings
and calls and some things just really take time to materialize and come to fruition.
You know, like you were saying too, with clothing, you know, like maybe there's something that you end up doing there too. It's not necessarily your or cab's specialty, but there's tons of
people that, you know, you guys are probably both connected to that could roll something out that
would make, you know, a lot of sense, whether it's, you know, whether it's trait-based, you know,
something like Shredding Sassies have done with their collection you know they've they've done fun drops they'd
you know just dropped an incredible series of of a hack collection and different pins and
you know they've done different stuff with their own traits you know maybe there's something that
you guys do there with you know different traits that are in in the collection i mean there's so
many different opportunities to explore.
And one other thing I wanted to touch on as well,
and then we could kick it over to Luke
just to get some thoughts from him
to break it up a little bit here.
I think the one other point that you brought up as well,
you know, the value that you can bring
and you had prefaced and gone a little bit more
into detail there saying, you know,
having access essentially to resources to, to resources,
to opportunities. And I know it's come up a lot. I know you were sharing at length today about
bearish and in trouble space and something that again, giving, giving credit where it's due,
you know, amongst yourself. I mean, so many other communities is that, and i see the green visor gang account in here as well i mean
they've they've done that as well you know having a connection and relationship to them you know for
myself i mean there's some fun things that you know we're we have in the works and that you know
i want to bring to fruition in this space they you know they've been one of the staples in in
crypto and in web3 for for poker and and so referencing them bearish
you know there's a lot of communities that have been able to they've really been able just to
capitalize on different tools and resources that are out there and and having these hackathons
having these workshops having these different you, cross collaborative campaigns where there's, you know, maybe it's, again, shared quests that the drip team is able to, you know, to And for those that have the gumption or the,
the drive to, to participate in some of these events, you're,
you're giving opportunities for people to expand on,
on different skill sets that maybe they haven't really expanded before,
you know, for yourself too, Zubik, like, you know, I don't,
I don't think you've been necessarily the, you know,
the creative genius that, that cab is not a knock at you, but, you know, for the first time, and I know I, you know, the creative genius that that cab is not a knock at you.
But, you know, for the first time, I know, you know, again, giving kudos and credit to Breezy, too.
You know, he's been a he's been a freak. He's just been a madman at creating all this just incredible art, you know, Ghibli style art or all sorts of different photos through through Trash ABT.
through, through Trash ABT. And it's like, wow, okay, for 20 bucks a month or whatever it is,
you know, you can, you can be someone that, you know, is maybe never, maybe never touched a,
you know, a paintbrush to a canvas or, or tried to draw. But now for the first time you can,
you know, even Eko too. Eko's been pumping out content left and right.
And I don't think he's necessarily the artist that Kentasi is, but we can start to kind of,
I guess, go through these different thoughts or different creative ideas that maybe we've
had, but we just didn't know how to bring to life.
And now we get to have a soundboard.
We get to use these tools and resources to bring fun things to life that show a little
bit of a different side to us.
And like I said, Zubik, you've been one.
Iko's been one.
Breezy, like all of you guys have really just like taught me,
not even directly, but me just following your guys' journey.
Just like post whatever you want, you know, post funny stuff,
post serious stuff, like whatever aligns with you, just post it.
Put it out there.
You know, and people get to see a different side of you,
you know, when we're able to produce, you know,
these different images, these different visuals.
And I think it's just a fun time to be here in this space right now, whether people like
it or don't.
I just think it's fun that we have access to, again, access to opportunities to do things
that we didn't do otherwise.
And so, man, as you were just sharing, there's so many different things that I know we'll talk about more at length.
But, yeah, I just wanted to appreciate you, again, for being here, carving some time out of your night.
Everyone else is here as well.
Again, if you guys haven't interacted with the Space Link yet, be sure to like and comment and send it out to a couple of friends.
and send it out to a couple of friends.
We'll do some fun giveaways tonight.
We'll do,
we'll do some fun giveaways tonight.
Like I said,
we'll do a,
her NFT and we'll,
we'll give away a Spunky as well for,
for all of my ape chain friends and,
and Shiba King as well.
I'm sure he'd hopefully love to,
to get a new,
new community member,
new,
new holder over there.
So yeah,
we'll do that towards the end of the space,
but that's what I got for now.
Luke,
appreciate you being here,
jumping up.
Always,
always happy to hear from you.
If you're around and able and, you maybe you're maybe you're driving somewhere maybe
you're doing something with the dogs maybe you're you're oil pulling right now i mean who knows
depending on what time of the day it is for you and what you got going on uh if you're able to
jump in man would love to hear from you please yeah i'm actually um listening to you guys closely
and then barely listening to another space for a secret word for the fucking stupid point system
anyway it's not that i'm just being uh being harsh because i don't want to be listening for
a word i'd rather just be in one spot but i'm trying to keep ahead of shiba king with the
points but um honestly i just i kind of just wanted to come here
and listen and you know if we're hanging out cross community hang out of course i'm down to hang out
shoot the shit but i feel like i talk a lot in spaces and like you said it's cool that you know
you could like if someone asked you what luke was doing you guys can place bets and one of you could
probably guess on the dot what i'm doing at any given moment but i feel like i just kind of want
to sit back a little bit
in the oncoming days and maybe not be on spaces as much or when I am just trying to
listen and learn more. And I definitely... You guys are... If I think of OG projects,
especially OG projects to me, most of the ones that I've been part of for years and are still
here, they're like OG thick line art. There's kind of a theme of the art,
like the Space Riders and Long Lost art,
I feel like could be in the same comic
and it wouldn't even need to have the art edited.
But anyway, so there's that.
And I don't know, obviously OG Project's
been part of both for a long time.
And it's awesome that the communities are still here.
I'd be really interested if there's a way to see like out of wallets that have your tokens in them how many
of the wallets haven't been active for like a year or two and you know didn't wonder you know
if they ever come back or they're just inactive right now or but either way that that's just kind
of something that i'm curious about doesn't matter so much because you guys are here regardless but
just a curiosity factor and um
i think one thing i will say is that i've talked to both of you a little bit offline and been able
to hear like kind of your thoughts on things and i just cooled to know that you guys have done things
um whether it's just been being resourceful or like the banding together as like a, I don't know,
team community,
whatever the case may be,
like how you're able to kind of be sustainable or still be here.
I mean,
that I think that's one of the most impressive things is the fact that after
years,
you can still be here.
And,
you know,
because obviously you just did a mint or two mints and didn't raise money beyond that,
it gets difficult. So I think that that's part of the equation to figure out. And I
agree with what Zubik said. I like the stance from Zubik. I think that you're going to get
into some more stuff yourself, Peanut, that I'm sure I'll like. But I liked hearing that Zubik's
more bullish than he's been in a while maybe or just than he was a week ago and also that um but also recognizing
that we have more projects than people here it seems like so yeah anyway yeah no like and and
and this is obviously not something that's just going to change you know overnight or whatever
like like nfts had this great run we all remember it right and like i think from
that 2021 style era in 2022 we saw a lot of thick line work or we saw like p obviously mainly just
pfp generations um colors right people trying to a lot of obviously like animal based collections
things like this like this was sort of where we like we started with nfts and excuse me i'm choking my water here um we obviously saw big board obviously
crypto punks were like the beginning of this all and then board apes came in and board apes were
what really like this is what like started the the the world to know what nfts are i think i really
think um and like this is just my opinion
some people probably disagree with me on this um but i really do think like bored apes were the
real kicking point to where nfts were seen to the world like you know have you guys seen those
fucking ridiculous monkey pictures that are selling for fucking a million dollars on the
internet right like just very crazy stuff and like this is what captivated people right this is what caught people's eyes right and this is why everyone came in right well people
were very familiar with crypto we were coming out of the covid stretch right um the the economy was
pumped with a lot of cash um and and and a lot of people had a lot of and people had a lot of free
time so i think crypto had that huge run up after the massive recession from COVID.
Or I guess, I mean, like maybe it was a quick depression for a little short while.
But we had a huge dump.
Then everything started to go back up.
People were buying crypto because they had free time.
They had money.
And then NFTs kicked off from apes.
And this was everyone was like, holy shit.
People are making a lot of money doing this.
People love money.
Again, you want to know where people are hey like show me the incentive and like people saw incentives to be in nfts because you could make money and that's what's going to bring people here no doubt
and then i think it again we saw the peak of it all where it's like everyone and their mom's
dropping nft collection right inevitably we all sort of knew that you know just like any business
98 of them are just gonna get wiped out maybe. Maybe not 98%, maybe like 90, 95, whatever.
But these were very
young startups. And NFTs are still very new.
People didn't really know what to do with them. People didn't really know how to make them sustainable.
And I think it all came down to people were charging so much for mints. Teams
were taking in a lot of
money like what back in 2021 22 like teams your average team would literally raise like 1.5 mil
from mint like and you would sell out with flying colors and and believe it or not more than half
of these people quite literally just fucked off now this was a terrible look for nfts i had a
chat with a friend about a week ago
my good buddy of mine who i i grew up with i've known him since i was three years old
been we'd known each other since kindergarten and he was around when we launched space riders
he got into nfts um he was sort of into crypto so he knew what he was doing he got nfts he had
riders all this stuff and he also bought like a bunch of other nTs. Like he was held a bunch of frogs at the time.
He was very quiet.
Like he wasn't really a big voice on Twitter or anything, but he bought NFTs.
And he would like flip them and make money and try to like take advantage of like ecosystem rewards.
And then there came a point where like I think near the end of 2022, maybe start of 2023.
You know, he kind of is not, I think he may have had some things to deal with, but he sold up all the nfts he didn't really seem interested anymore and then since then he's like never bought
back in he still holds crypto but like you know he holds bitcoin and ethereum and like he'll buy
the dip and stuff every once in a while but regardless came to nfts and i talked to me the
other day and he's like man like how's your you know how's your nfts things going like like
he you know he said are nfts like a thing anymore like are they back are
they like did they gain momentum again and this is sort of the message that most people have been
left with with who like maybe aren't in the space anymore people who used to buy nfts it was all
left with these teams fucking rugged or most of them right and i'm not going to say i'm not going
to use this to like lean and as an excuse for everything but a lot of these people just got
rugged they they were trying to make money maybe they did maybe most people obviously
didn't that's just basic economics most people obviously lost money but everyone has this memory
of it who used to buy nfts like or are they back yet or oh like man i remember when nfts like
fucking crashed like there's a very bad sort of um message that's been hooked onto it from people
who were once involved and not anymore.
And these people are even still involved in crypto and stuff. They just have no interest to buy NFTs.
And maybe these people aren't into JPEGs or they end into this stuff. That's fine.
But the real reason a lot of people came to NFTs is because they had an opportunity to make money.
There was a lot of opportunities to jump into new collections. There was a lot of
things you could take advantage of if you had an
edge or if you were educated on something or if you were able to call early projects, you could
get in. And then everything sort of fell down. And then we saw everything after that pickup with
meme coins. So meme coins is the same thing. Everyone's like, you know, no different than
DeFi summer 2020. Obviously Solana summer came, everyone was, you know, and their mom had a
phantom wallet and was using pump
fun and we saw the same thing everyone was there to make money because you could and that's where
you know it's like it reminds me of that meme of um what's his name Andy from Toy Story where
he's dropping Woody and he's like I don't want to play with you anymore right and it's the it's
the it's like the NFTs he's dropping right and he And he's, um, you know, he's like a, he's like a phantom wallet now. So like, I think most people here don't know what
they want. I think that's inevitably, I think that's just true. Like, I think even for myself
in a lot of cases, right. And some founders, other founders have chatted too. Like it's very
hard to tell, you know, where's the end goal. Is there an end goal or do we keep building as we go?
But I think this message has been left with a lot of people is that, you know, are NFTs back yet?
Like people don't hear things in headlines anymore.
They don't see these things come up on algorithms anymore.
In 2021, 2022, NFTs were like all over Instagram.
Even though a lot of them are scams, they were everywhere.
Like you just don't see them anymore.
I remember even seeing them on Facebook for crying out loud back then.
You just don't see them anymore unless you're in the CT bubble. And again, maybe I'm not a hundred
percent correct about that, but as far as like, I'm concerned in what I can see in front of myself,
this is how it is. So we're all stuck in like this, like, I don't want to call it a bubble
because I feel like I'm downplaying us by saying that, but like, maybe we're stuck in a bubble,
right? With the same amount of capped users. And again, we've got sort of the same, like,
and there's nothing wrong with trying to build a new collection or trying to do something new where, you know, maybe you have to set a price on something. I think that's totally fine.
I think there just needs to be a little bit more of a thought in this stuff and like,
you know, and, and make the expectation incredibly clear and sound. And that's where,
like, for example, I think with Scotty and totally unbear's where like for example i think with scotty
and totally unbearish like i and i talk about these guys a lot because they're just a really
great example to use for something that's very recent as a case study so they obviously had an
existing community um you know the both of them they put them together they came over to abstract
and they fucking killed it like oh i mean you guys remember there was all that fud all that shit blah
blah blah and like you And like, you know,
like Scotty and them
mopped the floor with those guys, right?
Like, they ate their words real fast.
And a lot of those people
ended up just buying into Bear Shapter.
And the reason why they did very good
was because like,
they've got the skill set.
There wasn't like any insane promise
from the start.
They said, we're going to create
a community of builders.
We're going to give tools.
We're going to give access to things.
And we're going to do this on abstract.
And they've done a really good job of keeping the expectation incredibly clean.
And that's why they've done very well.
And people are going in, buying above the floor.
Some people probably are buying like they're not even builders.
Some people probably just want to buy because they like them.
And again, I think this really falls back on when you keep an incredibly clean expectation and you keep the promises sound and not absurd.
Like we heard people were going to make like, and obviously now with AI, this has become a lot easier and we have more tools and stuff.
But back then, two years ago, three years ago, everyone was going to build P2E.
Everyone was going to build a metaverse.
Everyone was going to build this and that.
And these were just incredibly, incredibly unrealistic expectations.
No one here can build a fucking metaverse, okay?
Unless you're the sandbox who's funded up the ass by animals.
You know, like all these different VCs and stuff.
So it's like everyone was a little bit far too ahead of themselves.
We were way ahead of ourselves too.
Like I can admit that to the full degree.
We thought, oh my God, we're going to do all this stuff.
And then it became very apparent to me, like after a couple months of being in the NFT
space, we started doing things that most people here don't know what they want. They're trying
to make money and you need to set a clean expectation. And I think moving forward for a
lot of us guys who have been around here for a while, it's going to be very important to reset
that. And a lot of people, some people may disagree with me on that, but I think if you
can set that very well, you can do anything. You anything you can go and introduce like maybe you want to do merch maybe you want to do
like a free mint maybe you want to drop something that's like maybe maybe something that's paid
maybe it's like 10 bucks people will support you and again we can create a better ripple effect in
this where nfts will have a better image across the board and people are going to want to sort
of get involved in them again um and i guess just sort of to drive back my point here there's just really no interest
from the outside and there's no new net active users and i believe that that is just obvious i
think i believe that's just the core issue um i do think there's so much great stuff happening in
web3 i think a lot of teams are going against the grain on things people are trying to build
they're trying to be different um and i still don't think this space quite appreciates it at the full scale. But again,
like, and I think Scottie and Tull are a great example because, like, they have a very aligned
community. They appreciate it. The expectation is very clean. The tools are there. And the
community is just taken off. Like, they're just doing it, right? And I think it's probably the
best case study this year, I'd say in 2025, so far, you know,
I'm like four months in or whatever, to kind of go on that.
And, you know, even though this is a problem or maybe it's something that's holding us back,
you know, we can't just sort of stop at our tracks and just do nothing.
But more so, how can we look at what we have, enhance this, beef it up, right?
Like imagine you're, you know, I don't want to say giving it steroids, but how can we
take this to the gym every day, get people to work their muscles, feed them a little bit and then grow a little bit bigger.
So that's kind of where I'm at.
Like there's a lot of people, especially space rider holders.
And like I could list names like you guys would probably know all of them.
There's a lot of people who want to do stuff like they're like Zubik.
Like I've grown quite a bit with my brand here.
Like I'm starting to do this.
I've made this product like, you know, I kind of need some help, this and that. And this is where we're really seeing, okay, you know,
how can we sort of be a vessel? How can we sort of feed a bit to people again, help them work out
a bit and grow and inevitably grow the brand, the whole picture much bigger. And that's where
you're seeing success from bears, just in that a lot of the community's building is creating an
incredible ripple effect for people to want to jump in whether they're builders or not whether
they think the bears are just fucking cute whether they like um whether they whether they just like
whether they just like scottie or toley maybe they just like the founders some people buy in
because of that or maybe they just uh they have a buddy who's in the community but i think it's
very easy to get into it and a lot of people just haven't had that easy thought to be like
yeah you know do i want to spend like 0.1 ethTH on this? It's like, I don't really see this or like,
there's no momentum or, um, or I don't, you know, I don't see much confidence across there. I don't
see the community showing out. And this is sort of a difficult thing that I think everyone sort
of deals with to a degree. Um, and, and again, you know, being here for three plus years,
whatever, you know, two years, or even if you've been here for a year at this point from where we're at now, I think if you even launched a year ago today, you've been here for three plus years whatever you know two years or even if you've been here for a year at this point from where we're at now i think if you even launched a year ago today
you've been here for a considerable amount of time to probably see that things don't always just
continue up they don't always go and that's where you have to start doing the critical thinking
in the long term because we have a cap set of users um and that's just the reality of it and
so i think what luca's doing with abstract
he's obviously trying to bring more people to crypto or i actually yeah i was gonna say fts
but no crypto in general back to my main point he's trying to bring more people to crypto which
will draw a lot of people back in to nfts right on abstract chain maybe they find their way to
east maybe they find their way to ape chain whatever but i think this is what like a guy
like luca saw in the space right he's like okay i'm like the top i'm probably i'm the i'm the top three dogs here right luca
on a punch bang which is like second after apes right he's like we're the top three dogs here
we've done a lot we we're about to do our token right the next step for these guys was obviously
let's like to luca as a guy who's just completely grown consumer businesses he's like let's create
a consumer chain um and a lot of people are moving over there.
So I think his thesis is working out quite well,
but I still think we need more users.
And that's obviously not Luca's fault
and that's nobody's fault.
But this is what people like him are trying to do, right?
And like, you can only just keep trying
and working hard and fine tuning it
to your best ability with a team
that's kind of day by day
making different adjustments and stuff.
So again, I'm incredibly bullish on abstract chain i think the community over on
ape chain is awesome um i think a lot of people are trying to build new things but i still think
there's this this like oh check this out this is like a new drop coming this is not and i think
more people are just questioning questioning nowadays over like okay maybe i'll mint this maybe it's cool but it's like
you know are there any plans so like what's the plan of this right like forget it if you're doing
a free mint whatever people come and mint it like you probably don't have to say anything if you do
a free mint you could just do it people will buy it or admit it but it's like you know a lot of the
times we're seeing like we're seeing mints being numbed down a bit where it's like we're doing
20 mint to 10 mint on this chain in a currency that makes it look like you're not paying as much as you actually are right a lot
of things come to the eye with people and this is why we saw shit coins in the trillion the
fucking decimals go off as well so what we see is new ways for people to kind of play this game
and i don't think people are doing it to be malicious i think there still are some people
who like who want to kind of just you know make a bag and fucking kind of screw off and try to do another thing you know a month later
but i think people are just questioning like okay this is a cheap man or maybe you're doing this now
or you're pivoting right but like what's the ultimate goal and this is where i think to myself
if you're gonna go move a chain if you're gonna go do something we have the ability to enforce
things like royalties we have the ability to link physical products to empties now. Do a free mint, create the
expectations from the bottom up. You can already have a collection, but just do free and build
good momentum. Maybe you crashed to zero. Oh, well, you didn't charge anyone. And I think this
is where like people are just still kind of seeing like, why are we just like taking more money from
the same group of people with more JPEGs that serve the same use just in a different currency that makes it look like you're not paying as much
and that's where i look at abstract and i think like scotty and toli i've done great because you
know they had like a decent mint price but the value was there people are seeing it the reveal
was really good like i don't think i'm really seeing this much elsewhere i think final boss
did great i didn't mint them but i saw the process it looked excellent so there's very few people
that are like really doing a great job at this. And I'm probably
missing a lot of people here, by the way. So don't take them. I made a post today. If someone
says they like ice cream, they'll be like, oh, well, why don't you like cake? I don't want people
to think that. But it's more, how can we look at the realistic expectation? Okay, you're doing this.
Awesome. I'll mint this, right? Okay, I'm going to pay 10 bucks for this. Am I at least going to make my 10 bucks back? Right. And it's like, if you can, cool. I'm
kind of happy with that. I'll keep my JPEG, but I think it's more of the same. I love that saying
more of the same, because I think that's what we've just seen in NFTs. And again, I'm incredibly
bullish, super fucking bullish NFTs long-term. I just think it's going to take some time. It's
going to take some more ironing out some kinks but i think teams should start looking at new ways to bring value
in or to bring something new in without trying to like i don't want to say fleece but without
trying to bring this new message like okay here's the new we're doing this at this mid price and
this is what we're gonna do and this is the new plan and this is the shit and it all just sort of
kind of it falls apart right? More of the same.
Very few people can accomplish this at this stage in NFTs. And I believe that we need more users. So pump the shit out of abstract, bring people to abstract, get people on these chains. They're
going to find their way elsewhere. And that's good. So I ultimately believe that is just kind
of the main problem. And I know I'm, I i'm i got a lot of words solid going on here
but i think about this fucking day and night man like like what you know what were a lot of these
reasons things went down why were people pissed off when they left nfts and how can we understand
the mindset of these people because if we move if we can get that we can sort of change and make
the mistakes moving forward i don't have all the answers i don't think you do either and i don't
think anyone has all the answers but we can try to fine fine tune. We can try to make it a little bit better. And I love that
people still love space riders. Like I've always told people I will give up until the last holder
gives up on me, right? We've still got 3000 holders. Maybe there's like 200 or 300 who are
active, but again, I'll wait till the last person fucking gives up because that's how you keep a
strong community of people with trust and shared values.
And I love the writers for that.
There's a lot of people in this community who I have a lot of disagreements with,
but I fucking love them because they're good people.
They care.
And,
and they've worked,
they've,
they've put a lot of work in to support us.
And that means something to me more than anything.
And I think,
you know,
you peanut,
like,
you know,
on the long loss team,
pawns of the plague,
seals, like a lot of the native eat collections,
apes, penguins, we have like a very, uh, an image that people know.
Right. Um, and in the next five years, right.
Like how are we really going to hit this out, out of the park,
or how are we really going to get it out there? You know,
outside of maybe some of the more traditional things we've seen, you know,
toys or this and that, which by the way, I don't think you shouldn't do those i think it's
fine but again what can we understand from the past how can we we should be able to learn a
couple things and then move forward with that um and that's ultimately what i think is if people
say are nfts back um you know people are saying there was a 2000 punk sale 2000 east punk sale
the other day whatever everyone was like holy shit, NFTs are back.
And the guy took like a fucking, it was like a 2 million loss or something, right?
So it's like, holy shit, ETH has also taken a damn haircut, like a fucking 60% haircut.
And then you've got all these people selling massive amounts of ETH and punks and all these NFTs.
But it's like they're just losing a ton of money.
So it still shows that we're in like the sort of like there was the regression change of empties where it's like people are still trying to get out on
certain areas trying to take losses for taxes like different things like that and i think that
we eventually hit the nice reset bottom and we move up like in a way where new users are coming
will it be tomorrow probably not next week maybe in a month from now i don't know in a year from
now again i don't know but it's gonna hit there it's gonna meet the friction at one point and i think that's gonna be the real juice where
people are gonna be like oh yeah nfts are fucking back and it's gonna feel a whole different it's
gonna feel a lot different this time so super stoked man and i'm again i hold all my fts i'd
like i don't i've never been someone who trades flip flops does this gets in and out of communities
oh so bullshit you guys my button sells on you you know we've done your fucking day later it's all just dumb and this is why ft space
has a very negative flow of attitude because everyone's trying to bite each other and we just
have to look at history a little bit and we just have to fine-tune hit an expectation line and get
the great reset move up um and i you know it's going to be a little bit of damage for that, and I think we've taken
most of the blow.
So, just my opinion.
My goodness.
Well, yeah, I took another couple pages of notes here while you're talking.
I'll keep it minimal on my end.
I'll just kick it right over to Devs.
I know he's got his hand up.
He's probably pressed for time.
So, I'll circle back on some of my several pages of notes here.
Dropped a lot of gems.
Debs, what's going on?
Hey, long-time listener, first-time speaker.
Glad to be up here.
Peanut, I love the conversation so far.
You know, Zubik, I comment a lot about, you know,
when you make the posts about ETH,
and that is always a concern of mine.
Is ETH going to bounce back?
You know, are these abstract chains, ape chains, are they going to be something that helps ETH
bounce back? Obviously, everyone likes lower fees. If you notice the ETH blockchain, it's
definitely lower fees right now. But I think truly it's not about just bringing them to the space,
right? Because a lot of people come to the space,
but they leave very quickly.
I think the key is retention.
How do you keep them here?
Because a lot of people, myself included,
when I first came,
I fell for the metaverse stuff that Zubik was talking about.
I thought I was going to have a,
oh my God, I forgot what they're called,
a Dodori in the metaverse. I for sure thought, no doubt, my forgot what they're called, a Dodori in the metaverse.
I for sure thought, no doubt, my Dodori was going to be the coolest one in the metaverse.
Well, no metaverse ever happened because I didn't know what derivatives was when I first came into the space.
And I got wrecked.
I think I lost $400 on my first mint.
The thing was down to like $15 within a week.
So I learned a lot when I first came in.
And honestly, I've always said it. I was about ready to leave. I think I had put like 800 bucks
in the space and saw all of it just disappear. And it was like, this is long loss is it like,
this is my last hope. I connect with the community. I really love the vision, the art,
the idea, just the whole culture and everything.
And that's kind of what made me stay.
But I can be fully honest.
You know, I've made a lot of friends.
I bought a lot of NFTs of friends in the space to show my support just as they have for long loss.
And if it wasn't for long loss, I probably would be out of here because I did lose a lot of money.
And I did have my wife looking at me like, well, maybe this isn't the best way to invest our money, right?
You know, she wants to kill me right now when she heard that I had 20 grand in ETH
and now I have 8 grand in ETH.
She's not super excited.
So, you know, I think it's retention.
You know, obviously, to me, NFTs are just like meme coins in a sense, right?
That's the way I saw NFTs when I first came in was like, oh, these are just a bunch of meme coins.
You got to get in and get out, right?
Get in on the mint, get out before the reveal if you can, and after reveal, get out if it's nothing good, right?
Right. So I think it's just a glorified they were glorified meme coins.
And you have a select few people who are actually utilizing it to build and do things with other individuals in the space,
whether it's, you know, like you're seeing what you're saying with Barish, you know, teaming up with Luca and being able to communicate with Pudgy,
pudgy, which is an amazing thing in my eyes to have their support, you know.
which is an amazing thing in my eyes to have their support, you know.
And you see a lot of people flood and flock and fly to the new hot meta.
You know, you have that post that he pinned up here that most things are forgotten about
within a few business days, right?
So, you know, Abstract was hot.
Everyone was getting ready, open.
You heard a lot of people talking about, we're going to do this, we're going to do that on
Abstract.
And, you know, personally me, I don't hear a lot about the chain itself anymore.
You know, I am a bearish holder, but I don't see the hype in the Abstract like I did when it was first launching.
So I think being somebody who is, you know, a leader of a project and working alongside many other team members,
we've always just kind of said,
don't chase the metas because they'll hurt you, right?
Like everyone chased the marketplace metas.
Everyone chased the staking metas, right?
And that was like the end-all be-all
after everyone realized no one could build a metaverse.
It was like, we're going to stack these marketplaces
with whitelists and opportunities for you to make money.
And then what happened? The space died.
And nobody had anything to put in the marketplace besides NFTs.
And over time, you keep putting money and keep putting money and keep giving things out.
You're eventually going to run out of money, right?
So you've got to build a business plan behind these things.
And I think you're seeing a select few projects, a lot of older projects and newer projects who actually
have these business models built behind them and it's not just a bunch of guys who knew how to
write a contract and make promises uh that they couldn't keep so i think the space just needs to
mature and find ways to retain people and not always have them feel like they're just losing their life savings by coming here man go ahead do it not like i yeah
i just i fully agree with everything he said
appreciate it devs i know that like i said you're usually strapped for time and
and uh being in the season of life that you are it's it's not as easy to come up in and jump into
to spaces so definitely
appreciate going down memory lane a little bit there and always great to to hear from you i know
that we've all been big big supporters and big fans of of space riders and and one thing i'll
share real quick and then i want to kick it over to to breezy as well i know he's been here uh for
min as well michael we'll get you into the mix as well you know he's been here uh for a minute as well michael will get you into
the mix as well you know one one thing that you you said that really stood out to me zubik and
it's something i've been thinking about lately is being able to disagree or like having times where
we disagree and you're still friends and you you're still able to to have a relationship a
friendship you know because at the end of the day,
if two people align and there is agreement on many or almost all levels, I'm sure you could have
a great friendship. Maybe you're yin and yang, two peas in a pod, however you want to phrase it.
But if the whole space is like that, I don, I don't see the value in just having a
bunch of yes men. Like that's not the way that the space is going to grow. You got to have people
that are bringing objections that you're able to bring different viewpoints into the discussion,
into reality. It gets people to maybe even revise or refine what it is that they're actually focused
on, what they're
looking to achieve and do and and obviously that's something that we've seen unfortunately i won't
go down this rabbit hole but you could people could say oh what about political or religion
or this and that but when it comes to this space you know there's going to be things sure that
people do new chains that people go on and people just don't like it you know and i mean i'm not necessarily
the biggest fan of everything like zubik there's probably stuff that you don't like you know devs
white girl breezy loot like everyone else ego as well like different things you don't like but
you know is that one thing going to be a deal breaker in terms of a friendship or you know a
connection it's like well for me like i've me, like I've had to challenge myself on it
and say, hey, you know what?
I don't necessarily agree with it,
but I'm still going to be here to, you know, support.
Like I've shared very honest things with a lot of you guys here,
even Breezy too.
And Uncanny was one of the very first places
that like I truly called home in this space.
Like one of the first, one of the first NFT projects, ETH NFTs,
like that's what got me into long lost. I've shared my, my journey before,
but that's really what, you know, started.
That's what is probably allowed me to even be here in the first place,
hoping this space to be an involved as involved as I have been with,
with long lost. It's like, like I said, I said, I've had honest conversations.
I've hung out with Breezy in person.
We got to hang out last year almost about a year ago now in Texas at ConsenSys.
It was an absolute blast after knowing him for a long time.
Finally got to hang out with me in person.
Great time.
Like I said, there's things I disagree with, but I'm still a supporter in Breezy.
I'm still a supporter in COD and what they've done. And like, I'll, I'll be uncanny to the core for forever, you know? And that's,
that's just how I am. Like, I'll keep it honest. And, and so that's where I just wanted to kind
of at least iterate on, on that point a little bit. There's, you know, Hey, there's going to
be things that we're going to disagree on. You can still be friends. You can still support,
you know, there's been that time that's invested emotion, money, everything, Debs, you know, as, as you
were saying too, but yeah, I think it's important to have, you know, opposing viewpoints and to be
able to bring some constructive criticism, not just, you know, just, not just slander because
there's, you know, someone else is saying it or whatever it is, you know, take the time to actually give some factual information to articulate your thoughts well and honestly just
have an adult conversation, you know, rather than just, again, tossing people's name through the mud,
address them directly, have an open conversation or, you know, whatever it might be. Some people
like to do it in private, some people like to do it on the timeline, but that's the biggest thing
is that we're not going to always agree, but I still think you can, I still think you can support people.
Also, again, I still do my best to support people as well too. So wanted to at least touch on that.
We'll, we'll hit some other points too over the course of the space. Again, one thing I thought
that was valuable to share based on that is what you were alluding to as well. But Breezy,
appreciate you being here, as always pulling up.
I want to kick it over to you.
What's what's going on tonight?
What is up?
What is up?
Naughty Zubik devs.
That's all it says.
Well,
it actually doesn't even say devs is up here for me.
So that's,
that's classic Twitter.
Cheers to everyone in the crowd though.
Hope everyone's having a great Tuesday.
I'm having a, i'm having a nice time
uh listening to you two um and devs obviously but uh watching the devils and the yankees too so
nice little sports night for me um but just relaxing um loving loving the conversation
a little little dark maybe we might want to pep it up a little bit Get a little happier thoughts maybe
Note that down
Peanut, note that down
I will
But no, overall I'm good
I mean, I'm having a great day
I mean, what else
What else is there?
I mean, hey, we're still here
NFTs are live, crypto's live
We got playoff hockey soon.
I'm hoping and praying that my Minnesota Wild do something.
But at this rate, I'm not going to be surprised if something doesn't happen with them.
Exactly.
I mean, not dead.
We're not dead.
We're much alive.
We're much alive.
100%. 100%. We definitely we definitely are no it's
like i said it's always fun to to have you in the space and you know again i i think one thing that
i've really enjoyed too again i was giving you credit earlier as well maybe you'd heard you know
just seeing seeing the creativity you know that you've been able to you know bring to the timeline
different things that you know you're posting or other things that people are are making for you to post whatever
it might be it's you know it's fun just to see again the the innovation and you know willingness
to you know try new things too you know and i know that was that was one big thing that
you know is good yeah it's it's funny i heard you say that and it is funny because like i'm not
i guess i never really let my creative news this long but like at the same time
i've been behind and like zuby could probably say the same thing it's like we've been behind
the main twitter posts that minted out our projects and drew people in so we were creative
in the way we were writing up posts back then of, you know,
getting eyes on our projects enough to mint out, which, you know, it's not the easiest thing,
but having the new ease of, you know, AI with our art that is, you know, so easily
recognizable, I would say, but being able to just alter it just a little bit where you can, you know,
recognizable, I would say, but being able to just alter it just a little bit where you can, you know,
put two pieces of art together and have them, you know, hugging.
Like something simple like that was always like, like that's a day or two days for an artist,
for creating content for a project.
And you just want it for a Twitter post.
You're not, you know, you're not making any money of revenue off of this, revenue off of this content that you're posting on Twitter,
but you're staying relevant, staying in the news,
staying on, having socials updated
and everything like that.
It is such a breaking thing in our industry, for sure,
of just ease of content and the ability
to put some stuff out there um make jokes
make memes yourselves um not have to uh like i i think about um if anyone's ever seen the fuck
around or find out like meme with the ruler and everything like that cod made us one for uncanny
it took probably like two days three days for him to draw that up, like finding time, obviously, to do it.
But like that probably took hours on hours.
And like nowadays, like anyone here could go on ChatGPT, put their NFT in it, put the piece of art that Cod did and say, make my character doing that.
And it would take a minute.
so like the ease of content
I think is something
that really is incredible in this space
which makes me very bullish on just
IP rights in general
you know the ability to own
art that you can you know kind of
mess around with and change and
use however you want like you could go ask
it to make a 3D model of your
NFT whenever you want
you can do a million other
things too a transparent background
simple as that um you know it's you know kind of limitless at this point but overall having a great
time in space cheers everyone yeah cheers man now i can hear you breezy but yeah like, I agree with you. Like, this is with me, too, where, like, I look at AI now.
Like, it's just, it's actually just crazy.
Like, again, when I look back to when Cab and I were starting this, you know, like, it was like, okay, we need a dev.
Cab's the artist.
Cab has to do all the art.
Then we got to generate it.
Then we got to build scripts.
Then we got to build smart contracts.
Then we got to do the website.
To be fucking honest, guys, I could do all this shit myself now using ai and that's kind of the i don't want to say that's like this i don't want to say it's like
the the scary part of it but like it's just the reality like any like people have such
crazy tooling in front of them now and resources to literally almost do anything at their own hands
right and and this is not just like we can't just trust ai for everything this this is obviously
like we all know it is not like 100 a certain thing we can just trust at full scale you obviously
have to take consideration in everything it does right like chat gbt isn't going to generate a
perfect image you're going to get you know a unibrow on fucking scotty and carlo you know and mason's going to have a weird nose in the picture like they they don't
do it perfectly but we're getting to a point where it's getting so good that it's almost hard to see
like like i mean you can tell but eventually it's going to be hard to see the contrast here and like
the line of which things are splitting and again i could go on to i go into chat gpt i can make myself contract, I could probably spin up code for a website, I could do my own art, I could do all these different things.
And I could just do it myself with the click of a couple buttons, typing some things.
Back then you would need to hire people, you need to bring people on to do it.
You'd have to pay people for a service.
And this is where I think like everything is compressing so quickly and everything is just being numbed down to prompting.
And again, it's not 100% perfect, but this is where we have to think like, okay, what we have is actually incredibly unique in nature in the way that we started it.
And it's unique in the way that it's still identifiably different from AI, all this crap.
different from AI, all this crap. And there's going to be a sort of a legacy feel to these
things five, 10 years from now, because like I said, you and your mom and your cousin and your
neighbor are going to all be spinning up images on ChatGPT, or they're going to be writing their
own code, or they're going to be building their own websites, or they're going to create their
own applications. And it's going to be very simple so now it's more like okay we have something very unique in nature everyone's using ai let's let's build on top of what we have here that's
very cool what people love and it's actually over time going to become more incredibly rare to come
up come upon right like everything's going to be automated and and how can we all just use ai now
moving forward where people within this community um have and can do cool things. So I'm also just like crazily dumbfounded by how, not dumbfounded, but just like it's incredible how good this is becoming.
And I think people are still really underestimating just how good it's going to get.
I don't know how good it's going to get because, again, like this is just how crazy it is.
But it's going to make our lives so much easier in a lot of ways like i think all of us in this room could agree you know there's
people out there who are like totally against ai and think it's like never going to be a real thing
or whatever like whatever that means but there's it's getting there it's getting better so now it's
like okay we have our nfts this is neat you know maybe i paid this much for a debt back then but
here's what we have now so let's provide let's see what we can do with it and that's why you're seeing all the generations
on the timeline people are putting together applications using ai people are building
their own websites like it's just becoming that much easier um and it's going to come to a point
where you know having an nft or an nft um collection that's and, you have to be alive still for this to actually
hold some weight. And you have to obviously have a backing and people who still care about it.
But when you look back and you have old school NFTs, they're going to become something of,
should I say a collectible, right? How everyone says, oh, these are digital, blah, blah, blah.
But I still don't think most people, like still most people are still here trying to make money.
Like there's going to come a point where these are like true defined collectibles and like nobody's making um you know a smart contract from
hand anymore we're not building these things from scratch we're not writing our own scripts
everything's going to become done by ai and and people's minds are going to move with that
meaning like if you made a whole collection out of ai you generated the art you made it all whatever
maybe it's not perfect at this stage you wouldn't be able to do something 100 perfect if you made a whole collection out of AI, you generated the art, you made it all, whatever, maybe it's not perfect.
At this stage, you wouldn't be able to do something 100% perfect, but you made your own contract, this and that.
And let's say it just worked.
You were just able to make this work and it was successful.
All of us would know that it was done by AI.
Cool.
Maybe we participate, but we're not going, at least for me, I will not really appreciate that on the same level that i'd appreciate a long lost or i'd
appreciate a plague frog or i'd appreciate like a good vibes club or whatever because there's still
like an authentic edge you have to have in these things so keep the authentic like collectability
part of nfts let people play with ai like we talk about brand building or people wanting to build
within the community this is kind of that time to do it, I think. But yeah, man, I just, I can't believe how fucking good it is. Like,
it's just, it's mind blowing. And we're just really on the start of it. I remember when GPT,
like, came out, like, where you could start just using like the LLM and like, you know,
asking simple questions, like stuff like that, it gave you a basic answer. Now, man, like,
it can almost do anything for you. Obviously, that's just not physical um so it's pretty cool and like fucking
i'm super fucking bullish on tech man and nfts like it's the way that these worlds ai and everything
and brand building all is going to work together it's going to meet a great friction point um and
i really do think again there's going to be that day where we're like, holy shit.
Like, we are back, and it's going to be because things have changed.
There's a new level and a reset to things.
But until then, right, we just, one day at a time, keep trucking along, coming up with ideas.
Maybe this space isn't for you.
Maybe it is, and that's just really the reality of it.
But I love it here.
Let's fucking go!
Uncannily lost riders!
Ghost Lab in the house.
What's up, everybody?
I just had to jump in and give flowers to Zubik, to Breezy, to Eco,
to everyone in this space.
I just asked AI, what is a cool thing to say about AI?
AI is like a never-ending source of knowledge and creativity, always ready to help you unlock
new ideas and possibilities. That's pretty much how I feel about it. I'm with you, Zubik. I embrace
it. I think the future is now, and my two cents on the space right now is go for it.
I think that everyone right now needs to take huge risk, break the fucking rules,
innovate, call your shot, see who supports you. Like use these tools, use your community that's
got your back, push hard. Push forward. Propel.
I think that's what I've been just saying since I came here.
And right now, I also want to throw some flowers to Peanut, who has taken charge of the project and is propelling us forward. And I even heard, I think maybe it was Breezy or someone put up today that he's keeping Web 3 together.
He is the peanut butter.
He's the sticky.
Sticky yicky.
So I just had to make sure i kept the streak going peanut i think i'm on my sixth space this week popping up saying
what's up and just making sure that i'm out here i'm outside and i'm i'm supporting just like you
zuby i still hold all of my tokens even for for rug communities. I'm still representing Cosmodinos.
Let's go.
So, you know, you never know what will come back, you know, from the dead,
what will resurrect.
But one thing's for sure, this space, it's still early,
but we are in the third inning.
So get your shit together, everybody.
Call your shots.
Babe Ruth this shit.
Let's go.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, no, well said, man.
Thanks, Scott. It's good to hear you, sir. Yeah, no, well said, man. Thanks, Scott.
It's good to hear you, man.
But, yeah, like, that's it.
Like, we're all on a clock.
Like, that's...
I think about this a lot.
Like, you know, I'm younger than most people here.
But, like, I have this incredible fear
that I'm not going to accomplish enough
in my time on this earth.
I think a lot of people feel this.
But, like, we just got time.
It's just like a talk, right?
And, like, we never really know
if we're going to wake up tomorrow and tomorrow and you know god forbid something bad happens but like we're just
we just you just got to keep doing things focus one day at a time focus on the mission like try
to better your life try to better your friend's life your family's life your friend's life like
all the people around you this is like that's like it's always a prosperous way of being um
and in web three we see doom and gloom everywhere.
I'm guilty of it too.
But yeah, just fucking do it.
And don't be afraid to fail either.
That used to be a huge fear of mine.
Like, what if I fail?
But what if?
Who fucking cares if you fail?
If you fail, you're going to learn it.
You're going to learn a lesson.
Like, I can't tell you, but every time I've screwed up in my life, like big time, I've
screwed up a lot.
I learned, like, like, like, I don't forget.
I lay down at night and think about things like this.
And a lot of us do as humans.
And that's why, like, you should go for it.
Shouldn't be afraid of mistakes.
And like, there was a point where I, you know, I thought to myself, you know, like most people
who kind of came through in and out of riders, like maybe didn't actually care a lot, acted like this and that.
It's like, okay, don't worry about failure so much.
Like actually try to fail, try to fail forward in a way, but try to, try to do good.
Try to be you, you know, again, we're, we're, we're all just kind of on this clock, but in the time that we're here, we can all, we all have the potential to accomplish amazing things.
Every single person, because we're all uniquely different together, even more. And all the people
that are in this space that are like in our circle, I'm fucking inspired and motivated by
everyone and reading people's tweets, reading their comments, reading their, um, go hopping
into discourse, hopping on spaces. Like I find inspiration in a lot of great things.
And, and that's where, that's where I great things and and that's where that's where
i see a good that's where i see a really strong point here i'm glad that a lot of us are as close
as we are because man like there's been a there's so much tribalism in this space at one point and
now it's like oh my god like guys like we you know like we need more like we really need to stick
together um and we've all done that um pretty damn well uh i'm impressed by it by all the leaders here and everyone who's really stuck it out, kept a solid attitude and been there for others.
I got a really different amount of respect for people who are like that.
And again, like these are some people who I've known for a long time.
I've known for a week and for a month.
But you really get to learn people over time.
Keep them close.
Keep your circle nice, nice and prosperous and just try to help each other out and fucking fail.
Fear is just a crazy thing, man, and it can really hold back people.
It's held myself back in a lot of cases.
But fail forward.
Don't, you know, be unapologetic in a lot of things you do,
but be humble and lean in on each other and have a fucking good time.
Like, man, if you're miserable, I don't know.
Just have fun.
Like, be good.
Do good shit.
And wake up in the morning.
The sun's going to rise tomorrow.
As my mom always says, the sun will rise tomorrow.
And a bad day just means that you have another you know you
have a better day that's coming but well said scott and peanut and breezy you guys are all just
fucking awesome all these people in the space too i see all of you down there um just thanks for
everything there's there's really is a good group of people here and i thought that you know it's
important to touch on that well said across the board.
Scott, Zubik as well.
I won't say anything here.
I'll save it for a little bit.
I want to get Mike Rohn to the mix.
I know he's been waiting patiently.
Mike Rohn, I'm sure you have a lot to comment on and share.
What do you got for us tonight?
Yeah, actually, I'm at a loss right now.
I mean, there's just been so much good back and forth.
I really came up when Zubik was talking about how we sort of need to change our perception of the space.
You know, Peanut, you and I were talking about this, I think just yesterday on the Out to Lunch space.
And, you know, I went through kind of my own experience, but also what a traditional brand would have to go through.
And I used Supreme as an example. And it was like a 25-year path that they took before they
went public and got purchased by VF Corporation. The first four years were extremely underground,
and we've kind of seen that. And I think the thing that's so cool that I hear a lot of these
founders, and I'm surrounded by legends up here, but saying is like, we've been through kind of that first phase, right? We're two,
three years in, and this space moves a lot faster than brick and mortar did in 1996. So
our expectations should be a little bit higher, but they also need to be tempered some.
And what we're seeing is like, you know, we found the brothers that we can band arm and arm or sisters and that we know we can trust.
And I see, you know, not unrealistic claims, but a lot of people who are now embracing the technology in ways to make their businesses better.
And that's what's super cool.
And so the last thing I'll say that we didn't really touch on on on Mondayay but is really important and something that i've suffered
um in my career is that we are all bleeding edge right anybody who's in this space listening to
this right now is way ahead of the curve you know you all have your own reasons but nobody else is
here right and a lot of times when you're looking to do something you you know you're early and then
maybe that you know it takes time to mature you get impatient and you move on to do something, you're early and then maybe that takes time to mature,
you get impatient and you move on to the next earliest thing, right? We talked about AI and
the tools that are in front of us, but we haven't really even scratched the surface on NFT technology.
And so what I'm learning kind of later and something that I would implore a lot of people
who are younger and earlier in their career journey is like, when you find something you're
really passionate about and you're early on it,
don't be afraid to sit there for a little bit, right?
Sometimes it feels like you're not making progress,
but if you just wait for everybody else to catch up,
the things that you've learned along the way are massively important.
And then you get that broad adoption that you're looking for.
So definitely, we always have to be looking at the horizon,
but don't outrun your
coverage either. Because once in a while, in order to make money and to have cash flow,
positive revenues, you need people. And that's the other thing that Zubit kind of touched on is
we're diluting everything for the same group of people, but eventually they'll all come and then
the collectability comes in. I can go on and on and on. But I love the flavor of this
conversation. And I really like the way that strong founders are reframing the way we should
look at what the next 10, 12 months looks like, the next two years in realistic terms. And they've
been here, right? We don't have to worry about whether it's a rub. They're going to keep building
the stuff they're building because they did it when nobody even really asked them to or wanted to.
And it was the darkest days.
So I'll leave it there.
But, yeah, great conversation.
Appreciate you having me up.
And, yeah, guys, just keep building.
Appreciate you.
Love it.
Appreciate it, Mike.
Thanks for jumping in.
Always, yeah, always appreciate what you have to say.
I know, like you said yesterday, we were having a great conversation at Out to Lunch. Great way to start the week. I know that we've been touching the block. He's been around for a hot minute. And he's just been an excellent resource to just to pick his brain.
You know, he's been doing a lot with AI agents.
I know that he's pioneering or kind of steering behind one particular coin and just seeing even what he's been able to do, too.
You know, I think across the board, we've heard just about almost from everyone, you
know, touching on or alluding to, you know, chat GBT, different tools, resources that we
have access to that have scaled to a point that we haven't maybe seen before.
In a lot of ways, I think it's, it's probably been here for a while, but in terms of, you know,
mass ruling out and not just isolating testing. I mean, mean again so many of us have access to
to tools that i mean put things to shame you know from even five years ago you know so it's it's fun
to see again as i've alluded to a couple of times seeing what people are doing for the first time
you know zubik you were saying too it's like, you have the ability to dabble in things to, as a lot of people have been saying, and I've had to kind of learn myself,
vibe coding, you know, you're able to do stuff that you never thought was possible. You know,
most of us probably thought that you had to go to, you know, some sort of formal education,
or you had to go, you know, through some classes to be able to even learn coding in the first place,
or do development work. And again, not saying that what you're able to do with some tools and resources are ironclad
or it's, it's complete, you know, 100% accurate.
I know devs has been, you know, fiddling around and, and doing a number of different things
with, with chat GBT and, and different tools as well, you know, behind the scenes, you
know, even that, again, there's, there's still things that you have to double and triple check, or, you know, as, as the saying goes, you know,
some people have said and alluded to, you might need two, three, or four different agents or
platforms to check the work of something else. You know, you have one thing spit something up,
have the other one check it, and you kind of just have a little bit of a domino effect there.
And so point being said here, we're able to do things that we haven't been able to do
at the pace that we've been able to do.
And I think that's what makes it so exciting.
And those that are able to really capitalize, again, going back to what you'd said earlier,
with value, I mean, a lot of that comes down to just having access to opportunities, whether opportunities, again, being a part of some sort of hackathon,
some sort of, again, cross collaborative campaign, like whatever it might be, you know,
there's, there's a lot of things that people can get access to. And at the end of the day,
people will pay for it, you know, people pay, people enjoy and still value having access, you know, direct
connection to people that, you know, maybe they didn't have before.
And so just across the board, I mean, so many different things that have, that's, that's
been shared.
Really appreciate everyone that's been here supporting.
I know we're kind of right around that 90 minute mark and don't necessarily want to
want to carry on too, too long.
I know I like to, you know, try and be respectful of everyone's night and, uh, and again, try
to be as concise as we can with these spaces just to keep people's attention.
We'll, uh, we'll, we'll see kind of any additional thoughts here, maybe another 15, 20 minutes,
whatever you have Zubik, if you're not too, too crunched for time, but, uh, let's kick
it around.
If you guys have any other thoughts, different things
that you want to chime in with, I know that there's
a lot across the board that's been said
yeah I mean I'm
I'm all out of words and
I don't think people
want to listen to me anymore but yeah like this has been a great
space dude and I appreciate you
taking your time to do this and everyone else
you guys are awesome and to everyone
in the crowd as well well thank you for showing up
Dennis what do you got for us I was just gonna ask if maybe Zubik and Breezy
could Vince or could convince Scotty B Mitch to create a new Twitter because I
just found the new copy pasta Zubik apparently apparently everyone holds 162 000 worth of bitcoin i pinned it up to the
top go search it there's like 50 people doing it right now um i'm actually gonna do it myself
oh oh my goodness god zubik yeah no that's... Every year, I pay a check. Wow.
Wow.
That sucks.
Yeah, I don't even think I have any words for that poor guy.
I was going to say, I could agree with Debs on that.
That could be a pretty good post for you, Zubik.
That's right up your lane.
That's right up your lane. I right up your lane I don't know if I will but
yeah like
Twitter's
it's just X
but yeah that
I don't know if that's like 100% real or not
1,913 bitcoin
that's a lot of monies
go search that message
the post it's just a copy post so there's already 50 people that have posted the same exact picture
okay maybe maybe uh i can take a collage of it again and do what i did with those other
fucking idiots yes yeah with the charts want to know what's even worse okay so like whatever i
know people steal shit.
I've stolen memes and shit from people before, too.
But I try not to just, like, take someone's full picture and just, like, post the same thing with a shitty caption.
Like, there's always a way you can change things up, right?
But I posted that, and I, like, it was really late, and I, like, fell asleep shortly after I woke up and the post was popping off, whatever.
Everyone was kind of, you know, in the comments, like this is lame, whatever, you know, people
shouldn't be doing this.
And then I was scrolling my timeline and I fucking saw three different people who had
taken that picture from me.
And one guy had like over a hundred K and for like one guy, huge account.
Solana took it.
His name was ice knife.
Took the same thing.
Didn't even post a caption with it.
Just took the picture, posted it.
And it obviously fucking like blew up way more than, you know, cause like you had a way bigger account than me but and then i went down a
little more and then there was another one and then someone in a group chat sent me another one
like yo zuby this is the closure i was like oh man you know what whatever it's just the way she
goes i guess but yeah it's you know no one's safe out here man oh my gosh i gotta be absolutely wrong i got it i got it pinned up to the top too i saw that
i was like oh my gosh i fucking spent like a good two fucking minutes putting that together
and you know people stole it from me so it's it's honestly sad but like i said it's it's the way she
goes now i actually don't give a fuck but yeah dude i saw those and i'm like man i'm gonna put
these into a collage because this looks funny.
And everyone else thought, again, it just goes to show, there's slop everywhere, but you can be like me and choose not to ignore it and be an idiot and make a collage out
of it, or you can just ignore it like most people do.
If you do do a collage of this one, make sure you get my posts in there.
I could use some views.
Yeah, I will.
No, 100%.
I'll definitely include your posts.
Oh my goodness. That is my goodness that is funny that is funny a little little little plug there as well man it's so interesting again seeing seeing how how people approach this this app as a whole and
you know i think one thing that again i think would be you know refreshing just to touch on a little bit, I don't think we've talked too much about it.
I think in previous spaces, we've delved into it a little bit.
Something that I'd shared earlier in today's space is, again, the people that I've been able to learn from.
And again, even if it hasn't been directly, it's not like there was some sort of like coaching session or anything, but just seeing the way that you, Zubik, and like I was saying earlier, Breezy and Eco
and a number of different people that are in here listening as well.
I mean, again, people all across the space, but there's really a select handful of you that have gotten me,
have gotten me again like i said just kind of expand my horizons and and not really care like
again, like I said, just kind of expand my horizons and not really care.
again seeing the way that you show love in and give back to the the space writers it's like wow
okay i'm like you know what and again like i'm i'm speaking to myself when i say this i'm like
dang like i honestly like i show up and and i'm engaging and i feel like i've i've given a lot
back to the you know to the losties, long lost community.
I'm like, you know what?
Like, I think there's ways I could challenge myself to step up a little bit and even give more love
and support back to those that are, you know,
taking the time, putting the effort in to, you know,
post different, you know, long lost related content.
And yeah, it doesn't mean I'm necessarily like reposting
and sharing every single thing, you know, because I'm necessarily like reposting and, and cheering every single thing,
you know, cause I think again, that again, if people even care, like it may not look the best
or whatever, but at the same time, it's like, you know what, like who really cares? Like throw up a
quote repost or, you know, repost it or just show some love, you know, and that's something again,
any of the communities I'm in and I, still dropped the ball on it but i at least try
and you know put a like on it a comment and and and do my best just to show up and and support so
honestly that was maybe one of the final points you know we could we could bring up here and
again i know dev's been exploring a lot with you know posting new types of content you know i know
micro you you know we're definitely on your journey for a long time with, you know, reaching monetization.
And, you know, I know that in itself is quite the journey, not only to get to that feat, but then to, you know, even sustain things, if that's the right way to put it, after, once you hit that feat.
You know, and obviously there's been all this dilemma on, did you get paid?
there's been all this dilemma on, did you get paid?
Did you not get paid?
People have gotten paid for years, you know,
didn't get their first payout this last week or whatever it was.
So there's a lot to dive into there.
Again, and like I said earlier with Breezy as well, you know,
he's just been posting a variety of different content too.
That's again,
gotten me to kind of just expand my horizons and, and think of new possibilities,
different things to post. And so Zubek, I kind of just wanted to touch on this point again.
I know, again, a lot of people in here do their, do their best, honestly, to support other people,
regardless of, of the community or collection, you know, that maybe they call home base,
so to speak. I think all of us have, you know what I'm
gonna maybe switch up the content that I post or or how I interact engage you know would you say
there was a time when when things kind of flipped or or changed and and what was kind of that thought
process like when you were just like I really don't care I'm just gonna post whatever I want
to post because if I remember you know you, you've definitely switched it up, I would say, probably the last six to eight
months, maybe even a little bit more,
but there was definitely a noticeable
switch. I'm like, gosh, you know what? Like, this is
pretty freaking cool. So, I'll leave it at
that and I want to hear from you. Yeah, I think what's
really cool about Web3,
and I guess anywhere, for
that matter, but
you can't,
you know, like the saying, fake it till you make it,
um, like, I think in some sense, like, that can't apply in, maybe in, like, dire situations,
or, like, something incredibly, like, stupid or whatever, but you gotta be yourself,
first and foremost, because if you're not, no one's going to fucking take you seriously.
first and foremost, because if you're not, no one's gonna fucking take you seriously,
And two, I used to, like, and it's not that, like, I think this is a bad thing. Like, it's fine.
You can definitely spend time for, like, putting good stuff together, making a good piece of
content, and it might take you some time. You know, like, when I used to spend a lot of time
kind of, like, formulating thoughts and posts and this and that, and, like, it was just, like,
it was just a lot of time. Like, I would spend a lot of time kind of like formulating thoughts and posts and this and that. And like, it was just like, it was just a lot of time. Like I would spend a lot of time on
like a thread or something. And then like, I wouldn't even use it or I wouldn't do it. And
it would take like an hour of my day. And then like, I just started firing from the hip with
like my thoughts on a lot of stuff. Like if I thought something, I would just tweet it. Obviously
if it's fucking something ridiculous that I think I'm not going to post it because people are going
to think I'm a maniac, but there's some things you obviously just don't post.
But I got to a point where I realized, like, firing off the hip and a lot of just, like, when train thoughts would hit me,
like, or things that would come up in my head,
or I'd have a good call with someone or conversation,
things that I'd be thinking about or talking.
I always, like, the best posts I ever have,
and if we're talking about, like, engagement or impressions or whatever,
the best ones I ever get, the ones I do the best with the ones where I just straight
fire off the hip, like when I'm thinking of stuff, this, this, this, when you try so, so,
so hard to like put something all together, when I take a step back and read it before I post,
I'm like, that looks so fucking, I'm like Jake, like that looks way too like doctored or whatever.
And like, again, like it's fine. some people may not think it is some um some
people may spend that time to do it for me i've just learned and thought to myself um even though
sometimes people may think i'm an idiot um i think firing off the hip like being able to just say
what you're thinking obviously without being a total like you know piece of shit um just like
just say what's on your mind be kind of of forward with it, your opinion, people will form, will base their opinions on you how they want. Um, but you just,
you gotta be yourself, man. You gotta really show people that the person that you are, um,
because then they're gonna, the right people will associate themselves with you, right? Like
if I'm acting like somebody I'm not, I'm probably going to like attract the people who I'm not
really actually all that aligned with, but I just, yeah, man, I don't know. I, I literally just tweet and like, I've
just done way better that way. And like, I've gotten much more natural engaged conversation
that way. Um, believe it or not, like, like, and that, and that's like where it's just, for me,
it feels best. It works the best. And I see and i see a lot of like other people sort of
you know do this like there's big accounts i follow hedge fund managers vcs founders of other
big collections people in the crypto space a lot of these guys are very much the same where
you know unless it's like a big post on like the company account or you're making something that
like actually requires a little bit of attention to detail. I really, it's a lot of these, a lot of things are very often like off the top of the head
in a thoughtful way, but in a way that like can still create good discussion.
And that's where I just changed.
Like, I don't want to say I changed everything, but I just went with it.
And it's, it makes your ability to create actual authentic conversation.
It makes your ability to meme better.
It makes your ability to put yourself out there better,
in a good way and not a bad way.
And it'll,
and it,
and it's you like,
and I think that I've like,
I've fostered some really fucking good relationships and said,
man,
and like people who I actually realized I'm a lot of,
we're a lot alike.
And I've also just learned there's a lot of people who just don't like me
or the things that I have to say.
And that's fine.
but again,
like there's so much ass kissing, man, and that's fine. Um, but again, like there's so
much ass kissing man and so much this and that. And just, I just can't do that. Like it's not me,
but I'll always try to just keep things like, like just cool. And like how I think, uh, I should,
I should like post, but again, that's me. Everyone's different. I don't recommend everyone
just starts firing from the hip. Just find what's best for you. And if you like it, just do it because that's what you should do. Um, be yourself again,
like be a good person. And, um, you know, maybe one, one, one, like you'll make a tweet that
maybe it wasn't good. Didn't hit. It wasn't a banger. You said something stupid. You delete it,
whatever. We all make those mistakes, but be be yourself you will attract your tribe as they like
to say and i think that the tribe like look at this room right now i consider everyone here like
all people in the crowd like this is sort of my tribe you know like all these i've talked with a
lot of these people here and you guys and people outside of the space um and and yeah like again
doesn't work for everyone but that's just me but, I'm also just really fucking annoying sometimes too.
Don't worry, I know.
No, seriously.
In my opinion, my perspective, like I said, it's just, it's refreshing to see people just, again,
and that was kind of like part of, of what I've been sharing in,
in some of my, my recent posts is, you know, like just, just post stuff, you know, just share like,
and, and maybe I didn't even get the full post out yet. It was just a thought in my head,
but to be able to just post stuff that you're, you're passionate about, like naturally,
I think we're all going to connect with people that also resonate with that yeah i may not get a ton of reach but just like like who cares
and that's like really the the thought process the mentality that i've had behind it it's like
okay what a post didn't get like and this is kind of my thought process from back in the day and
just kind of looking back on it now it's like okay what so it didn't get a lot of impressions
like that like you said the the sun's still coming up tomorrow like we're not you know it's not like
something drastic is going to happen just because we didn't get a lot of likes or we didn't get a
lot of comments on on some sort of post but it's like okay maybe you do get like a comment or two
and it's like holy cow like i didn't realize that that person was was interested in in this or i
didn't think that they would you you know, connect on it.
And to me, it goes back to the, the thought of even if something that, you know, I share,
even if it impacts one person, or even if there's even just one person tonight here
in the space that has something that they learn and, and they're actively taking steps
on because they heard us share tonight,
that's a win for me, honestly.
And even just being able to take all these notes down and having access to some different
tools that I'm really excited about sharing more and hopefully partnering with some pretty
cool people on.
I want to work on bringing some of these different moments that we have in spaces to life and, and bring it to the timeline, you know, like Zubik, I, I did it.
I did the old fashioned, uh, style of just, you know, like screen recording and going back and
clipping, but it's like, man, the clip that we, the clip that you had from a couple of weeks ago
in troubled space, like, dude, I'll never forget that. And it was just like a silly, funny thing,
but it's moments like that, you know, where, you, where you think you're not hot micing and you're
hot micing and screaming from the bathroom into the kitchen about turning on the oven.
Like just funny things like that.
You just, man, you can't beat it.
But again, point being said, there's something about being here in these spaces.
I know not everybody can join into them or you got multiple spaces
going on at once. And, and so that's just something I'm, I'm putting out there too,
if we're talking about content, supporting people, you know, for me, it's like, Hey,
not, not everyone even likes to be in spaces. So what, what can we do to, to bring extra value
forth to the, again, to the timeline, if it's a 15, 30 second, 60 second clip, you know, all of us
have short attention spans. And, and so whatever I think we can second clip, you know, all of us have short attention spans.
And, and so whatever I think we can do to, you know, resurface some of these conversations up
again, going back to what I said, even if one person has some sort of impact from listening
in tonight, you know, Hey, I'm, I'm all for it, you know, goal, goal accomplished.
And, and so again, just hearing your perspective, again, I know some people may be like, who cares?
and so again just hearing your perspective again i know some people may be like who cares
but for me it's just been freeing in the sense of i think for one of the first times i just
i honestly have so much fun being on this application and i again i really just i could
care less about some of these vanity metrics at the end of the day i just have fun i post about
sports i post about you know whatever is going on about sports. I post about, you know, whatever
is going on in life, what I'm eating for, you know, food or, you know, my, my journey to maybe
becoming a Chipotle ambassador at one point, like just doing fun things on, on, on X here. Like,
I think it's always important to just explore different possibilities out here, you know,
and again, at the end of the day, support people that support you, you know, and that's something that, you know, you and, and Cab and, and so many people
in the community have done, you know, even I think about, you know, I think about Patrick,
you know, Pinkerverse, you know, what he's done for the, the Space Riders brand, you know, I know
that he's been, at least from my memory, he's been a big part in in creating all these these gifts and and having the reach and impressions that you guys have been
able to have on on on giphy and i mean we've seen the the success the the blow up of pudgy penguins
with gifts you know people in the everyday marketplace starting to to share stuff around
like that and they have no idea what pudgy penguins are, but they see a penguin and they connect with
They relate with it and they're sending it around all their, all their, their Slack chats
or group chats with, with coworkers.
So again, just so many ways that we can give back.
And, and that's something, again, I, I really want to reiterate and, and stress before we
wrap up and, and, and hit some final points.
You're kind of right around the two hour mark is,
you know, when you lead with giving and supporting first,
again, this is the main point I wanted to share.
Again, like so many of the space riders have
lofties as well, you know, breezy, uncanny too.
I mean, the amount of time, effort, money,
NFTs that people have just given and led with that first.
It's just incredible to see the friendships that come from it, the memories that are
remembered even months and years later.
And I feel like it's just fitting to say this again, but the reason why I even joined, or
one of the biggest reasons why I joined the Space Riders community in the first place was, Zubik, and like I said, I've said this before, you know,
the time that you took to just answer my DMs, just random silly things, the time that you
took to show up and just, again, respond, like you had no obligation.
Like I wasn't a holder, you know, I didn't have some sort of connection but you took the time just to show up you know give you know give me a thoughtful response and
it's like hey you know what like zubik's been super supportive he's answered back like for me
like that's that's good enough even if there's all this other crazy stuff you know that you do or
things i don't agree with you know again for again, for me, the fact that, you know, you've always been authentic, you've always been supportive. And again, you know, you took the
time to respond back for many months. I was just, again, reaching out, had a lot of questions about
the ecosystem itself. You know, that was, that was good enough for me. So again, just simple
things. You never know what type of impact that simple actions can, can have on people. And that's
just, you know,
one of the, one of the final things I wanted to reiterate is again, I always do my best to,
to give, to, to lead with giving first, supporting others, see where I can provide value. And honestly,
that's a lot more fulfilling and, and, and giving to me rather than, you know, leading with a hand
open and, and, you know, trying to take from people, you know, leading with a hand open and, you know, trying to take from people.
You know, that was kind of your point too with new mints and new journeys that people are taking
in the first place. You know, why not explore the possibilities of a free mint? And maybe you do
have higher royalties, but, you know, it's like, hey, we're giving you a free access point in or
low barrier to entry. Kind of like what brando's doing with with grapes on
ape chain coming up you know doing a little bit of deflationary burn from some previous collections
over on eth expanding onto ape chain you know he did some cool stuff with say one of the major you
know nft marketplaces over there sunsetted so know, sometimes you got to pivot, adapt, make the most of the situation that's around.
And so some final points there.
I wanted to just share and bring up again, kind of going down memory lane and just, you know, share some high level thoughts from, I guess, my journey and my perspective with just what's been going on over the last couple of months and
last couple of years but zubik micro breezy if you guys have anything else that you wanted to
dive in with more than welcome to chime back in and i promise i'd do some nft giveaways here as
well for a her nft and a spunky so i'll uh i'll go through the comments and and see who's been supporting and
and showing up and who's still present in the space and i'll i'll uh i'll make sure that i i
get that situated and and handled down in the comments too so yeah feel free you guys to chime
in and we'll we'll get the nft sent out and we'll we'll call it a night here. Breezy, go for it. I was going to say shout out to Zubik because, I mean, a lot of –
I never really was a big tweeter, poster, anything like that,
just kind of saying things off the top of the dome or anything.
I kind of always hated doing that.
But kind of following Zubik for the last two years, I would say,
has made me more into that.
Made me not give a shit as much of what I post
uh shit posting trying to make funny things I've realized um how important it is to like
get your PFP and brand out there and like getting those posts so like I would say Zubik definitely
is like one of the first people I saw doing that a lot, especially in his positions. So shout out to him.
I just wanted to say that.
But it's definitely interesting in the whole X universe of doing it,
getting seen.
Definitely things that just come off the head randomly or go like,
we'll do better on X than like writing a thread out and everything like
that.
Sometimes it's
just better to you know throw out some ideas and see what sticks and what doesn't 100 man no yeah
like fully agree like memes are good i like memes and i think if we can you know have a can all just
day by day have some laughs and humor and stuff i think i think it is pretty good for the soul
um you know that is if you don't take it too far and you know like obviously some people like have some laughs and humor and stuff, I think it is pretty good for the soul.
That is if you don't take it too far.
Obviously, some people
can't take jokes and it's backfired on me a couple
times. Especially in DMs, people are like,
I can't believe you said that.
Whatever.
Yeah, I don't know.
Again,
I don't know, man. It's just me, but it's just the way it is.
It's just me, but it's just the way it is. No, but it's funny because you just got to throw some stuff out there,
see what happens, see who likes it, who doesn't,
get some more eyes and not just sit there and be quiet
because you're all in your head thinking,
oh, no one's going to like this post or whatever like that.
But I always see your posts every day, and it gets me thinking like all right i gotta post something today like i know i'm like yeah i'm like if you don't know what to post just
fucking post the gm it works you know what i mean but yeah like this is exactly the internet
the end of the day is the internet have fun do your thing 100 yeah but yeah guys like great space peanut thanks so much
man for doing this uh you know scott breezy micro all you guys who came up thank you so much
and everyone in the crowd too thanks guys appreciate it
appreciate time micro i want to hear some final final thoughts from you
and then i'll uh i'll i'll call the the winners for some nfts here and then well we'll wrap it up but just I'll call the, the winners for some NFTs here and then we'll,
we'll wrap it up.
But just wanted,
wanted to thank you as well for popping in and,
and,
and hanging out here too.
Yeah.
Great space.
two of my favorite communities,
just love how much I see all,
you know,
both of you on the timeline.
I'll just use this as my final thought a couple of minutes ago,
Zubik,
you know,
kind of referenced fake it till you make it.
And, um, I'm taking it out of context a little bit, but it's something that I used to subscribe to
a lot. And there was just a simple little shift in mental framework that I did that that's really
kind of helped me a lot. And so when you fake it till you make it, you're literally just pretending
that you've already achieved the success until it
becomes true. And that's more of a performance and requires a lot of external validation.
And typically, the people who can't see through your bullshit aren't the people that you want
to be surrounding yourself with anyways. And so if you just change that a little bit to
act as if, right? Now you're in a mindset where you're in alignment with the person you want to become.
Like you're already seeing that version of yourself
and it's giving you confidence.
It's building your authenticity.
It's more of a growth mindset.
And so it can feel a little bit slower, right?
Because you don't just show up and you have the thing
and you can walk the big walk,
but it's a lot more powerful and it compounds.
It compounds very quickly once you start to do it.
So it's semantics if you just look at it on paper.
But when you really think about what you're doing, if you just act as if, you're going to be way better off.
So why don't toss that out there is just a little PSA, but really love the space and everything you guys brought.
And just keep going.
Yeah, man.
Well said.
Thanks, guys.
Thanks a ton, Mike Rowe.
Appreciate all the contribution to this space.
Now we're kind of right around that two-hour mark.
Good to wrap it up here.
I know that you guys probably have a lot of other things to tackle and and do tonight or sports to watch significant other to get to prep for you know
tomorrow and the rest of the week so just want to give a big shout out to to everyone that's been
here popping in i'll call the the first winner here felt like it was it was very fitting given
that they're they're still in here live in the space uh this individual is incredible artist
and and connected to a lot of communities out here in uh in web3 and i see art vision she is
in the crowd hanging out i felt like she was a fitting candidate to to win the the her nft i don't think she has one yet i know again she's
been a big proponent big supporter of uh of aow shiba king handsome the rambler their team over
there and so i'll uh i'll award you that first nft the her nft under the uncanny ecosystem fully based uh female collection i know that there's some others
have been posting their her nfts in here as well and i was just looking at some of the other people
here in this space supporting and i'm hoping that he or this individual i'm just taking another peek to see if he's still in here he is
i know pk pumpkin king is uh is hanging out still in the space zubik i know that name is
is probably quite familiar to you adamant supporter at least from what i've seen
you know for as many months as i've i've known pk for you know supporting the riders and everything
that you guys are doing and so i would love to would
love to to give you a uh a spunky nft over on ape chain i hold quite a few of those i know that i
actually won quite a few spunkies from uh partaking in the mint and getting quite a few
chest wins as well so pk I will award you the Spunky.
I'm hoping that you don't have any Ape Chain NFTs yet.
Or you don't have a Spunky yet.
If you do, congrats.
Double down on some more of your holdings.
But I saw you're in here in the space.
Supporting, engaging, tagging your friends.
That's quite the valiant effort for for being here tonight so
wanted to award some fun gifts to people that are here just supporting again just at random
again great space across the board appreciate everyone listening in i don't know i don't know
how we did it but after two hours there's more people there's more people in here so
i guess even even with the word salads as you were saying earlier in treble space, people
really do enjoy hearing what you have to say.
I know everyone else on the long loss team, Doves and Scott and everyone else at Pop Dinner
is listening and they appreciate what you have to say and different things that you
post as well.
Again, I've been able to learn a lot from you.
You've been nothing but supportive and honestly and and you know honestly just kind enough to
you know show me some time of day you know when i've had different questions about what's what's
going on within the community and an ecosystem in cab as well you know just for creating you know
some timeless art that people still appreciate years later you know cod moss as well you know
i think two of the more underrated artists in the space between cab and cod you know they've
you know they've just done incredible things with a couple of different collections and i think they'll always be
something that people people appreciate about their their style their unique style of art
and and not really being done anywhere else you know they're they're true one of one artists and
so i can definitely appreciate those individuals as well
that pushed the space forward visually.
ArtVision as well.
I know she won the HerNFT.
She puts out some incredible art as well.
Another great person to support here in the space.
Again, if you guys have questions, comments, concerns,
I know Zubik's DMs are open.
You can find them in the DMs, group chats, Discord.
Same with me.
Discord, Discord. Same with me.
Discord spaces.
Feel free to tag me or reach out to me directly if there's something that I can do to support you guys, help out.
Always here to give back.
A lot of you guys have given a lot to me.
And so I always just, like I said, always like to lead with giving, supporting first.
As I've said, I found that that usually is quite more fulfilling and joyful in the end just with seeing where i can be of a value and benefit to other people so
have a wonderful rest of your night everyone great rest of the week again can't thank you
enough for the support great turnout just great great engagement across the board from a lot of
you guys love love to see losties holding riders riders holding losties
across the board a lot of overlap you know a lot of friendships between the communities and that's
ultimately what i'm here for at the end of the day regardless if you're an nft project a meme coin
if you're on eth abstract a new layer one layer two whatever is, I'll always do my best to push against the grain
and continue to connect with like-minded individuals. Again, regardless of where you
end up in this wild, wild west of crypto. So appreciate you guys a ton. Lost riders,
get lost, stay lost, stay riding. Appreciate you guys a ton. We'll catch you later.
Take care, guys. Thank you.
