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ππ Space Tech for π±π Solarpunk future. ππ¨βπ BLSS #gitcoin #regen #desci
Recorded: April 28, 2023 Duration: 1:27:19Space Recording
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I think I've invited you to co-host.
Hello, Rod. Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you loud and clear.
Hi, Ryan.
I hope you are good.
And as I told you, I can stay for half an hour,
but then I should go to open the GitCon radio.
Yeah, just a second.
So, sorry, I am talking to our guests.
Unfortunately, one of the guys with whom I wanted to get you in touch,
he will be actually late.
He will be like in half an hour after the start.
But anyway, and we met with him on ReFi event.
Oh, and thanks, Ryan, for retweeting.
Give me one more second.
I'll push the spaces in a couple of Telegram groups.
And I have to say that I've been shooting like the whole day.
And after the whole day of shooting, it's much easier to talk.
Oh, hey, Adam. Nice to meet you.
So, let's wait for a couple of minutes before we start.
And also, we are waiting for one of our guests.
Yes, Rod, maybe you can also make another co-host.
So, when I will leave, I will not.
You still have a stable space.
Yeah, for sure.
And actually, we have GrowMars.
That's one of our guests.
I'm invited to co-host.
So, GrowMars, please accept the invitation.
And it will take some time until you jump on the stage.
Twitter, unfortunately, sometimes is laggy and slow.
Yeah, so, Daniel, you should have an invitation to co-host on your screen.
So, please accept the invitation.
And if you have any issues, feel free to DM on LinkedIn.
I'm there as well.
And hi, Adam.
Hi, DLT, EO.
Nice to see you here, folks.
So, let's wait for two more minutes before we start.
In the meantime, so, Elvaisal, it's Guido.
He's a shout-out to him.
He really teached me a lot about the marketing.
Oh, and we have Daniel from GrowMars on stage.
Hi, Daniel.
Can you hear us?
Yes, I can.
Amazing, amazing.
Really glad to see you on stage.
You have a really amazing project.
And I think it's okay to start.
We're three minutes behind, so people will join.
One thing that I'd like to ask everyone before we start, please retweet these spaces.
So, you have to click on the messages button in the right bottom corner, and then click on retweet.
So, a huge thanks to everyone who retweeted today.
Today, let's discuss, like, let's have an engineering, more engineering-focused Twitter spaces.
I have to say, I'm really happy that, Daniel, you accepted the invitation,
because I think that maybe all the activities around Gitcoin misses professional.
So, I'm happy to, like, to help bridge into two worlds, like professional space industry and Gitcoin.
Particularly, I think everyone are interested in climate solutions and the technology.
Actually, it's not one technology.
It's just the idea.
It's called BLSS, or Bioregenerative Life Support System.
The idea is quite simple.
You just reuse all the resources that you have in space in a circular type of a process.
Like, basically, it captures CO2, wastes, and turn it into something that's in useful.
A huge shout-out to Guido, who's under EarthBait Sol for co-hosting the event.
He's, like, the guy who is really active around Gitcoin in the climate solutions.
And, as Manuel likes to say, Guido is a superconductor.
So, by being here and talking to everyone, we are building bridges.
And, basically, we are getting attention to things that are worried us from around the community.
So, Guido, feel free to present your project.
And, then, let's go into, like, what's your interest, what's your background, and then let's jump into discussion of what to be LSS and how, like, what can be done with the technology.
And, also, it would be great if you could discuss how it could actually change the life on Earth right now.
Yes, I will go very briefly on the introduction.
I'm Guido Arca at the Sol, and I'm a conservation biologist by profession.
And, yeah, I'm a co-founder of a project that is called Solapag Nomad.
So, in our project, we are developing a lifestyle for nomadic changemaker.
And, we are also focusing on building or retrofitting vehicles.
Let's say, means of transport, because we are also focusing on some vessel.
Let's say, zero carbon.
So, we imagine a future where a specific changemaker, because this is our target, will use this zero carbon means of transport and will help to, I say, will help the regeneration of our planet, but also to carry around the vision of Solapunk.
I'm very happy to be in this space.
I'm very sorry that I cannot stay very long, because I'm also co-founder of the Solapunk Guild.
And, we are crazy busy with GitCon Radio.
That is a crazy idea, is that we are going to have a Twitter space open for 11 days and 24 hours a day.
So, basically, these are all different Twitter spaces.
So, we'll have something like a long chain of 264 Twitter spaces.
But, I'm happy to be here, and I really, I will listen to the recording after that, because I'm very interested to know more about how we can use space technology, also to make life more sustainable here on Earth.
So, thank you so much for coming here.
And, back to you, Rod.
Yeah, just a few things to clarify right now.
I round on the Gitcoin, it's going, and Gitcoin is a way to raise funds for your project, for your public goods, and moreover, to become a part of a really amazing and global community with a lot of different people all over the world with different mindsets and ideas.
So, having that said, Daniel, now it's your time.
Feel free to present your project, and if you have any questions about Gitcoin, Refile, feel free.
Like, let's have an open discussion.
Let's have a nice conversation.
Let's have some fun.
Let's have some fun.
One last thing.
Inara, thanks for coming to the event.
Happy to talk to you about Gitcoin later.
Sorry.
Now the floor is yours.
Thank you, Rod.
Well, excited bridging these connections on the science and engineering, especially with some of these deep tech elements like sustaining and creating resources through the great filter of space.
And to actually bring it back out of the engineering a little bit, though, if everyone takes a breath in and a breath out, that's biological life support systems, is all that oxygen that you're using, it was half of it was actually sequestered, the oxygen was a net production from algae production, and the other half was plants.
And in particular, when you're exhaling that carbon, you know, those are hydrocarbons grown out on a farm somewhere.
We kind of forget a very simple biological equation that the sugars that your body is respiring and using for energy came out from nature.
And, you know, we use a lot of fossil fuels, of course, as part of those systems to help plants grow, to transport those food goods all around, and ultimately to us to consume them and respire that carbon back out again.
But to bring it back even to simpler terms, out in nature, you basically have a giant green loop with humans that are lucky enough to find a fit within it.
And it doesn't matter where you are on Earth in a pure natural system, you could go back to almost uncontacted tribes or indigenous cultures, and you could say, okay, how big is the green loop?
You know, you think of, you know, someone surviving out of the Arctic Sea, you know, in an extreme event, right?
Is, okay, you know, there's algae growing, and there's shrimp growing, and there's whales that are eating the shrimp or something like that.
You know, what does that whole green loop and green food system look like?
How much energy going, how extensive is it?
How large is it?
How intensive is it?
And in today's world, you know, how much, you know, predominantly how much fossil fuel energy goes into that system is really an intensification of that system.
And it's a real challenge, you know, here on Earth.
And to the skeptics around space settlement, regardless whether we go out to space, we have to solve these challenges.
We have to solve how do you do resource creation independent of these natural systems.
They're great frameworks.
They are great toolboxes to pull from and systems to learn from and learn both their successes and their failures.
Um, but we're going to have to create these, these types of systems independent of, you know, to sustain 8 billion people plus, we're going to have to focus on what that loop looks like.
And there's a, there's actually a big bifurcation between the electrochemical solutions, which there are many on board and the nature based solutions and nature based solutions.
And they're, and they're, and they're purest form have one really big advantage is that they're self-replicating.
You don't need to maintain them.
You start with one that they, they, they increase in number.
They are self-maintaining.
They are self-reproducing.
That's something that machines are not yet.
They could be, we can solve for that very complicated equation for how do we have, um, you know, a robotic based system and an electrochemical based system and cold fusion based system where we totally bifurcate from natural systems.
But I don't think it's necessary at, at the moment, I think it's really complicated, especially from a, from a scientific and, and even from a political standpoint, um, implementing that type of a solution.
I'm all for it.
It's definitely a Goldilocks set of solutions, tying in cold fusion, synthetic production of sugars, and, and even biomanufacturing to a certain extent can dovetail into there.
Um, but there's actually another solution, especially when you go out into space.
That's, that's rather interesting because we don't have to worry about the extensification of agriculture.
We can use a lot of area.
We can use a lot of resources because we're not ultimately not infringing upon natural systems when we're out there in space.
So how do you create large green loops in space?
Um, is a, is a possibility.
Um, and it's also an opportunity and it's a, it's a real,
near-term, um, not constrained from a rare earth, you know, element or a rare space element.
Um, or, um, you know, it, it doesn't have as many, um, kind of constraints around it, um, as, as electromechanical systems.
Um, and, and ultimately it's, it's self-sustaining again.
So that's what we're focused on at Grow Mars is how we figured out a process using hydrocarbon-based bioplastic in an expanding loop system.
Um, there's the old adage in biology, which is if you're not growing, you're dying.
It's also very much in a sense true for business and a, and a, uh, very true for cryptocurrency is it's how, how can you use a resource that has compounding effects?
And that's what we're doing with our greenhouses is we're taking an initial greenhouse, growing a bunch of biology within it, distilling those distilling, particularly the waste, all the inedible stems, roots, leaves, the non edible portions of that crop.
That's a hydrocarbon rich source that you can distill out a whole bunch of other chemicals, many of which we, we, we do petroleum distillation for, um, but in space, we're not going to have obviously oil and petroleum to have a whole variety of chemicals that we, we use as for laboratory work and for engineering work and, and for making plastics.
Making clear plastics is, is, is a really, excuse me, interesting component because if you can make clear plastics, you can then support more biology, um, bio photosynthetic biology growth in this expanding loop process.
So that was the real critical point is that we knew that not all bio-derived plastics are biodegradable, which is a really weird thing, right?
You could have polycarbonate at literally astronaut helmet material that's bio-derived and that's not biodegradable by any means, whether it's, whether it's derived, whether the hydrocarbon source is derived from biomass or, or derived from petro, petrochemical.
And that was, that was the bridge, that was the keystone between in space manufacturing and biological life support.
That is kind of, if you think of it like an archway on one side and space manufacturing and the other side, biological life support, it's that keystone point there, right at the, right at the top of the arch that allows you to build that tunnel forward.
And, um, and, and, and truly outpace entropy and, and how do you create additional resources?
How do you go from oxygen generation, food generation, building material?
How do you do that for what's needed to support one person?
And how do you go to two people?
And that's where we focused on, well, we, we solve for what's the rate of replication is how quickly does this system, um, replicate and increase.
So, um, that's, that's the exciting part is that on earth, it's like six months, um, and, and space on a colder environment, like Mars, it's like three years is that you're able to actually double your greenhouse space in that amount of time.
If you're focused on creating, um, additional greenhouse space out of, out of your biomass that's grown inside.
And that's far exceeds our, our human needs is we, we reproduce, you know, as, as early as like 16 years.
And even then, you know, the, the, the needs are instantly doubled.
So you have a system that sustains life, particularly with humans in the loop at a rate of replication that expands with natural human population growth.
Um, that's an exciting possibility.
Um, and, and it's all really turnkey.
The, the sad thing is, is actually that a lot of this technology, there's no individual component or, or part that didn't exist before 1952 is there was a lot of, we, we knew of these processes, these types of pathways to make these types of plastics, um, before we even went to the moon.
Um, and biological life support as a whole really dropped off from research, um, in the early seventies.
Um, you, we knew algae for instance, was real, was a really efficient system that would work and not take a lot of light or power or whatnot, but we didn't know what to do with it.
You send up a bunch of food and people and you exhale all the CO2.
Okay.
Well, now what do you, what do you do with all that stuff now?
Now currently at the international space station, actually that CO2 is just overboard vented.
So a massive amount, you have enough from four astronauts over the course of a year to produce 4,000 kilograms of plastic out of their waste carbon, both in their respiration and with the trash.
And it's, it's not utilized.
Um, and there's no real way to utilize it interior to, to a module or something.
So we have to think kind of extensification.
How do we, how do we, um, how do we make the loop big, uh, big enough and, and to provide those resources kind of outside the box of, of living quarters?
And truly there.
Sorry.
David.
Sorry.
Uh, unfortunately, uh, leaders would have to leave in 10 minutes.
So sorry for interruption, but it would be great to have a conversation and, um, yeah, uh, as best all happy to hear questions and thoughts from your side on the topic.
Also, uh, shout out to Kamara, uh, feel free to jump on the stage.
Uh, Kamara is really interested in, uh, the topic, uh, and she has, uh, interesting connections with projects who, who work on similar technology.
However, those guys right now are focused on, uh, Earth, uh, applications and, uh, the overall idea is this technology could be, sorry, that's my, that's a few comments from my side is that, uh, we can reuse the technology on Earth to, uh, even not can, we must reuse the technology on Earth to, uh, basically utilize all the, uh, garbage and all the trash that we have.
I mean, with the proper regenerative life support system, we can actually have the full cycle of, uh, you know, working with the carbon and, uh, it's would be important for Mars as well.
Like we would need a technology that allows to, uh, recycle plastics in an efficient manner and, uh, make a plastic from those plastics again, but that's what make, uh, the cycle sustainable.
So happy now to shut up and, uh, yeah, feel free to, to ask questions.
Oh, let me add something.
I really personally, I'm very interested to know more about all the technology that can help us to be more sustainable at the family unit, because, uh, the more we can, um, I say, reduce our energy consumption, the more we can, uh, produce our food.
Uh, the better, uh, the better this planet will, uh, will be because, uh, because we, we need to reduce our, um, economic system.
And, uh, if, uh, if, uh, if, uh, if I can really grow some of my food at home, maybe I can, uh, easily grow some mushroom or maybe even some plants.
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go ahead well um working really 20 plus years in agricultural and environmental systems
i always say if people can solve for feeding their their pet their pet dog and pet cat off of their
own land that would be a good starter because they're a lot less picky um you have things like
heavy metals and urban environments that you have to be concerned of and stuff um you know
there's less food safety concerns and stuff so i personally i i see all the challenges it's really
hard to actually grow small scale um some things some things are easier and and yeah you know you
get you get something that otherwise you'd have to transport you know a big far distance and the
quality is not as good as as growing it in your backyard and yeah we should grow those things you
know if they grow well in your area without a lot of energy or resources grow that tomato or grow those
peas or whatnot um but from but we have a massive problem we and um you know how do we how do we
really do it at scale how do we really have solutions at scale um you know do we do we put solar panels on
the roof or do we put big algal photo bioreactors right to um to to uh you know do carbon sequestration
or something like that um is uh is still kind of an open question um for what that homestead looks
like that homestead of the future and i think it looks different where you are and what resources
um are available and and um and which aren't but um i i i do kind of always go back to the whole
if we could solve for just our pet animals if we could make our pets carbon neutral from their health
care to their to their feed to their waste if we could solve just that part of the system
we'd be um we'd be in a better world
yeah thank thank you so much for that and uh yeah i agree and uh starting with the pet is a good
starting point and uh yeah and let's see let's do our best because uh i think every person every
single person can really do a lot in in um in a journey to reduce his consumption and personally
i started this journey about 15 years ago in my family and since then we became almost
vegan let's say 99 percent we're eating plant-based but also we tried our best to reduce consumption
we just uh i decided to switch to an electric vehicle but it's a long journey and uh very often the
technology is not there yet so there is a lot to experiment but um yeah i wrote back to you i have
some unfortunately i have to leave the space but i will come back to listen to the recording and thank
you so much everybody thanks uh thanks a huge shout out uh to guido like if you're interested in refi
in turning uh decide mostly refine climate solutions i would strongly suggest to reach guido and to talk
to him he is really nice and he has a lot of connections with a lot of people who who are interested
in these topics so um let's continue our conversation uh in around 10 minutes um another guy gonzalez who is
a space engineer would jump on the stage uh if anyone wants to jump on the stage as well feel free to
to request uh the microphone and um i have a question so one of the issues with the when when we talk about
space exploration as everywhere uh we need to fund the initiative and from that perspective i'm eager to
hear uh what are commercial opportunities for your technology or what could be commercial opportunities
for your technology here on earth that uh could potentially allow to fund uh space exploration especially
with the fact that from what i do what from from what i uh i think that like basically a lot of
things in that technology could be reused uh in our daily life uh so happy to hear your thoughts on that
daniel yeah absolutely so the the um positive feedback loop process for carbon sequestration um and and the
high permanence of it too you know again these these plastics aren't necessarily not um biodegradable
um which is great for space and for carbon sequestration um so in that regard the system is really
designed away from the hub and spoke architecture of of manufacturing really around a lot of those
constraint points um what actually doesn't lead to a lot of commercially addressable customers
is you know just the logistics of moving plastic around takes more energy typically than to make
that plastic so we kind of solve for a problem set um kind of by accident you know through the filter of
space um but commercial um integration into it is is actually rather difficult um on the space side
there's um there's um the commercial potential around it is well we're sending life indefinitely
out into space agnostic of scale so with with a upcoming um lunar payload that we have an opportunity
for is really documenting once once life is beyond you know in deep space for more than a week or two
that's the longest life has ever existed off out there what are the genetic changes what are what happens
within that ecosystem um are still a lot of open-ended questions particularly under lunar gravity
so um we're we're looking to um to highlight both the biological and science side of of what's
happening out there and and commercialize some of that as well as the story of that um bringing life
indefinitely off and and truly indefinitely as we have the capability to make another another greenhouse
another mini terrarium dome um once this one fails in five or ten or fifteen years um we can we have
another place to put that life into so um you know it hopefully will be this beginning of life
indefinitely off of earth and what's really exciting about um this uh this um lunar rover payload
is that it's going to be going around to it has the potential to go to different crude landing sites
and actually use their waste co2 and waste nitrogen two things that are really rare on the moon um you
know carbon and nitrogen is we can upcycle those into these systems and harvest biomass out of those
systems with truly a multi-generational intent which which humans aren't in the loop it's the green
loop is too small at that scale but that's really space settlement when you talk about it so you know
hopefully this will be the cornerstone of space settlement of life indefinitely off of earth this
is something that we can we can benchmark back to and say oh well this is this is this is the beginning of
it and it's not coming back we've we've sent this off into space with no intention sure we'll bring
some samples back and stuff but this is the beginning of life indefinitely off of earth independent
reverse natural resources with a sustaining process behind it so um really excited about that um and
because it kind of bridges kind of bridges um both the science and commercial side of things
i want to say that at uh mundau we discussing the possibility to build um satellite communication
satellite for the moon and uh happy to help you to show your project to mundau because it mundau
mundau could support the effort i really like the project however um it's more of um lobbyism rather
than like you just have to show a lot and i'm happy to support we also have a manual here and he's really
pushing forward the um dspace ecosystem basically there are around maybe 50 or 60 projects that are passionate
about space that are passionate about um crypto well basically decide a project that that working on that
area and actually at the end of this hour uh we have uh another twitter spaces with uh mundau and with
those guys so my main idea is that i really love your idea i really like i'm a space guy i really like
how you how you talk oh we have manual let me get you on board um so manual i've invited you as a co-host
because because oh i think sorry manual uh sorry i think i've messed with it a bit so
yeah and we have camara just one second let me approve everyone
so uh hey manual hey camara and now we have like space folks here so let's maybe talk more about
space exploration and how actually um we as the community could support your efforts um before that
maybe a manual you could briefly uh introduce yourself and then we have amazing camara who knows a lot
like she's like she's really in uh um biological life support system so yeah manual uh it's your time
hey guys gmgm goodnight wherever you are uh i hope everything's fine uh yeah i just hopped here on stage
uh to say thank you for organizing this twitter space uh i also see growmars in here i i know that
you were also really engaged in our mundau community i see camara here we met uh we also met in denver
a really great soul um and yeah i i also see nara in here we we were already in touch for uh for for
for a time i would say and i you know really really enjoyed uh also seeing you uh engage in our mundau
community and yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna briefly introduce myself uh before gonzalo uh our star
jumping on on stage uh yeah i'm wearing different hats um i got my own venture called deep venture
where uh a small team of deaths my small team of deaths and i we are building a platform to secure
space patents on chain and then build technological specific communities around um rod gonzalo and i and
many others uh met uh when we partnered up with refi dao for the dspace founder circuits where i invited
back then the five people i knew who are also intrigued by the idea of emerging and converging
a space tag with where three and then we invited pablo of mundau uh who joined us for the sessions he
invited us to join mundau as well we founded the space guild where we mainly onboarded scientists
prototyping experts engineers into our community and now we are paving the way for all the future
dspace projects to build on top of us uh we are really engaged in the in the fields of open
science and decentralized science uh also funding these uh dsci round uh on the other protocol
with gitcoin um and yeah the next steps will really be to engage more open hardware communities open
robotics communities and then partnering up with academic institutions to also provide
uh not only different communities all around the globe uh with the open innovation toolkit
uh to start for example their own grants or prizes or hackathons but really to develop uh the dspace
ecosystem and do a lot of education outreach so that we can bridge the gap between uh the traditional
space industries uh to web3 so this is all about and yeah thanks for having me uh i highly encourage
everyone in here also to join our dspace cornerstone event um on point at 4 p.m uh utc so yeah that's it
feel free to jump right on stage and uh i'm gonna i'm gonna give you the stage now um friends thanks for
having me manuel maybe you could pin uh the post so uh now we have two additional speakers kamara and
uh gonzala let's start with kamara because you know first in first out so it's a queue uh hi kamara
thanks for coming nice to meet you hi rod hi manuel hi daniel hi everyone i'm kamara and i'm working
on collaboratively designing and building a regenerative self-sustaining city model for earth
which has many parallels with a colony for another planet because i think we need to start thinking
in terms of circularity and closed loop systems so that we can continue living on earth with the
way the environment is is coming to collapse with the uh the way we've been utilizing um
things that produce carbon intensively co2 and co and and how we've been polluting our planet with
trash and toxic chemicals and killing a lot of insects we're coming up on a period in time in
human civilization where we're going to face a lot of challenges and so i believe that we need to start
thinking ahead and planning for the future and and building living environments for people that
support them not only physically but mentally emotionally spiritually how do we create
self-sustaining regenerative systems and so that's the the level that i'm thinking at and so i believe
that if we create a model drawing on the best technology that humanity has you know including
what daniel has come up with with the self-replicating greenhouses uh and and other technologies that i'm
um starting to gather for my collection of puzzle pieces that we're putting together that we can
come up with a design for earth which could be relevant for other places as well like the moon or mars
i'm slightly different obviously um and so i have a question now for daniel
what are some of the limiting factors of your system like i know that you are you would need
to take with you the initial components to build the first greenhouse and a bioreactor and obviously
some algae and um some uh i don't know if you've got starting water if you're mining water there
and um how are you replicating the bioreactor to make the bioreactor bigger because once you get to a
certain point of so many greenhouses but so much algae you're going to need a bigger bioreactor
or secondary ones so do you have a self-replicating bioreactor as well that's that's a great question
um thinking about it through the van neumann probe um kind of thought process um there's actually a
researcher um that is working on this in canada that will be at the interstellar symposium this summer
that i'm looking to do a little bit more collaboration with and that maybe we need that
factory to make the conversion reactors is kind of what i call them how do you convert that biomass
to plastic yes you're rate limited it's actually after a really long time um like one unit can
can slowly produce material um for within the context of space a really long time like if you have
if you send one that's about the size of a dishwasher it really doesn't get rate limited
you're producing thousands of um uh square foot greenhouse space every year linearly at that point
um which is enough to keep up with human population growth um outside of immigration natural human
population growth um on on earth for carbon sequestration though you have to think through that
that von neumann probe type of equation you have to say okay well what do we really need to bring we
need to bring the factory that makes the conversion reactors that way we're not limited there what's
exciting is that you can actually use plastics you don't necessarily have to use borosilicate glass
and glass line metal you do these types of processes so you actually use a higher grade of plastic
for your conversion um reactor that can take the temperature and materials going into the system
and then you're able to with that higher grade of plastic make your conversion reactors so it's
possible with plastic it's just you have to make different grades of plastic you basically have to
make one with a higher thermal resistance higher chemical acid resistance and then your your other
reactors are then able to synthesize a lower grade of plastic that does essentially that doesn't need
um to meet those demands so so you can actually step it back one level further and and make your arc
your your your factory itself out of plastic um to make those conversion reactors so definitely need to
articulate it more it's definitely over the horizon challenge um but i think a necessary one when
you're trying to face really like at scale problems like really large scale space settlement or really
large scale gigaton carbon sequestration is it's a it's a valid point um but not a big not a big economic
hurdle it's you know to design that kind of higher tier engineered system you know it's probably a 10x
cost conversion so you're looking at maybe 10 to 20 million to design the factory that makes the
conversion reactors and i'll stop this whoa yeah go ahead oh i'm currently at the zuzalu ethereum
mastermind in montenegro and the first week of our mastermind was focused on synthetic biology
and one of the most interesting technologies that i saw was these bioreactor bags that are made of
plastic and there's this guy his name is galad and he's from israel and his bags can be made in any
size uh and they have different components for for different reactions you can actually use it to grow
many different things for instance you could grow uh meat in these bags like lab meat or you could grow
bone for for replacement surgery type thing you can grow all kinds of things in these bags
and i think it would be worth a connection um with you to him and i can set that up
awesome that that sounds great and one thing that is kind of missed in this is particularly the
synthetic um food arena is that these things still take fertilizer ultimately is they still they still
have nitrogen needs phosphorus needs calcium needs i mean working in a biological lab in plant pathology
we have to figure out how to culture all these organisms and they take very specific nutrient
requirements in order to do so so we're not really going to get around you know obviously it's a much
higher use efficiency of these quote-unquote fertilizers or essential elements that are needed
as part of these components um and that's where i think there's an interesting opportunity with
integrating wastewater treatment is we a lot of those nutrients are often wastewater treatment plants
the municipal um market isn't a commercially addressable one especially as they try to decarbonize
so that's one of the commercial markets that we're engaging with more um is we we see
we see some solutions on that side of the equation that we're sort of pivoting to um because there are
there are stakeholders and it's a it's a it's a market to integrate with rather than being trying to be
the standalone solution um and just saying okay we're just focused on carbon sequestration the whole
system is designed around that it's not designed around producing anything else near term for the
economy um outside of it which is really good because it's not beholden to any other constraints
but it's hard to it's actually really hard to build that because you don't have stakeholder
engagement you don't have other people winning alongside you necessarily so um yeah interesting
problem set love that conversation like i really learned a lot and definitely you know what you are
talking about when you referred to to bioreactors i just want to say that we have one more guest today
on the stage so let's let's uh gonzalo please jump on the stage and present yourself and then let's
continue our conversation yeah absolutely my name is gonzalo um i met delhi daniel in a very in a crazy
project that we did a couple of years ago when we're looking at the international space station as
a when we're looking at the international space station how are we not going to deorbit the thing
and how are we going to avoid five billion dollars cost that was a nice problem
um moving ahead i i i had the opportunity to to be two times nasa worthy for break the ice challenge
designing moon moon mining rovers i have my own consulting company that focus on process improvement and
systems engineering um and and and very preoccupied and and working to to find ways that go
be out not go complement regular artifact management into space what i mean is is we do have
existing is in the environmental control and life support systems that that will that will help people move
along in the journey to the moon and to mars but then there is something missing in order to survive
in the place that we are going to inhabit um this is where working with with daniel it's it's it's coming up
to be a an exciting mission because it's not only to fly to there it's also to survive there
um but breaking this down into a much more smaller part right now the objective is
making these proofs of life flight ready
and then making them fly and then making them survive on the moon and then mars
that that that's it yeah so uh unfortunately kamara dropped off uh maybe she has issues with the
internet um just a few notes um there is a movement that is called refi regenerative finance
and there are a lot of different definitions but it's core the idea is to find a way to fund
uh uh serious projects so from that perspective uh me and manual uh we are quite quite uh active in the
community and that activity allows us to get in touch with a lot of people with a lot of like-minded
people and the fan fact i know that it sounds really crazy but um as a space community we have to
chill more on twitter spaces we have to raise awareness we need to just explain people
that actually we are not geeks and we need to find people who really want to join the movement
so my main idea of that quick note is that i'm really glad that you came here
um that's what uh we are doing with the manual we are doing a lot of the shooting sessions uh like
talking and explaining people a lot of people all over the world who think like i for the last year
uh initially i went i came to gitcoin with the with the idea of lunar base settlement uh software that
would allow to to design lunar settlement however for most of people it's out of their mind
so now i'm positioning the system as open source platform for industrial and robotics
engineering and now it has a really great feedback from the community so um it would be great to
to see here here you're on more twitter spaces uh i think the conversation is really amazing love
that engineering discussions because unfortunately there's so many engineers on twitter spaces but yeah
um so at score right now we are doing feeding and uh that's the way how we think we could
like that's basically the way how me and manual we are engaged in the in the uh space process
we are raising some funds uh you did that and we're happy to support uh all of your initiatives
we are members of several different communities uh and all of these communities uh are consist of
founders of projects so those people know what it means to raise money uh what conditions are
there are different types of uh people definitely with different intentions but the community is
growing and it's really open-minded community so thank you so much for joining and having you on
stage and now let's continue conversation about technical details yeah and and as far as getting
broader engagement around a lot of a lot of these space endeavors you know we have we have like 40
kilograms of payload as part of this you know everything from the water to the carbon to the
you know the soil substrates and the biology there's a lot we're going to cram a lot of diverse
biology this is going to be the first tree the first butterfly the first bee um the first fish
in space um we want to bring the wholeness of life and the wholeness of these ecosystems
these functioning ecosystems the things that decompose things the things that um you know
remineralize things um nitrogen fixation and stuff so in that we also want to make it broader than the
internet is we want to bring about like what do indigenous uncontacted cultures think about space
what would they send like um it's kind of an open question what would you bring with you to space
to help you um and to help your systems work as well um particularly your biological the the large
biological system around you people don't often think of oh let's make sure we have like the right
kind of bacteria from a wastewater treatment plant to to break down our our you know our waste right or
fish poop right um to to detoxify the element uh you know elements within an ecosystem like that
people don't really think of those things um but i think it also when we go out into space we should
think i i really want the specific project of bringing an ecosystem out into space to be broader
than the internet um to engage communities that haven't been traditionally engaged in space um that
are very much in touch with their green loop um on the front end and on the back end um and um you know
hopefully hopefully that can be included and encapsulated and into the narrative um as as we
go off on these grand endeavors and i see it both within industry and within government you know it's
always this over the horizon challenge it's it's literally the term is used eventually which is not
a commercially addressable term and it's not being architects from the right you know the this whole
idea of space settlement is arbitrarily 20 100 years a thousand years off and it's necessary now on earth
which is the ironic thing is how do we expand independent of earth's natural resources it's a
really simple sentence but it doesn't matter whether whether you're in leo lunar or mars you're
independent of earth's natural resources so you have to do resource creation and it's it's it shouldn't
be that hard of a message um saying that we we need to figure out how to do these things better
love that like really i'll quote you i really love the idea that uh space addresses the simple
question how can we live without relying on earth resources really love that and i'm sorry that for
for changing back and forth we have an hour today we have a lot of folks from from uh space and one
thing is that um we have mundau and we have a lot of people and a lot of projects who are open-minded
that are happy to support uh the space uh initiatives so it's quite hard but uh i mean we're happy to
support promoting it into in web3 community we are happy to support support to raise money so um if
you are from space feel free to reach me or manual or any member of mundau or a broader uh this space
community like we have a lot of people on work and uh you really want uh to help so i'm also an
engineer and i'm focused on on making software that would allow design of such systems and there are a lot
of great projects uh so let's uh collaborate and happy to help to deal with all the annoying
processes that are happening like at mundau or maybe with the gitcoin and other ways how you can get
funding i just want to add a last thing uh thanks to gonzalo i've jumped to lc uh event a couple of
weeks ago and there was a guy who spent more than 10 years in uh dod on the mossa project maybe maybe i'm
pronouncing it right but basically they had a group of volunteers who made a huge work standardizing
different interfaces for dod and when i asked him uh what you think about open sourcing your results
your your work he said that he'll be really happy to do that because like he did it because it must be
done and he wants to share his results with everyone but the limiting factor was the fact that he
took government money so it's not what they did it's what did the government and it's not bad but
in some cases like that's how things work but for other projects like actually grow mars there is
another way to to build it and we are exploring that way not sure uh where the way would lead us
because nobody knows but yeah that's that's that's a brief about web 3 and inara now it's your time
to present yourself and then let's continue our discussion yeah thank you so much inara to be here
from multi-planetary society and gaze in space gaze in space i should say um one of the big things
i'm finding is an issue within the space industry is this belief that there is a space industry so first
of all there's not a space industry doesn't exist we have a terrestrial industry with some focus on
space but we don't really have a space industry because we haven't built a space civilization
and that brings me to another problem we have this mentality across the board of individual creators
creating companies and they're acting terrestrially in the sense that the market dictates you can slit
your opponent's throat and you can prosper and that doesn't work in space so i'm trying to figure out
how to get all these space organizations and companies first of all to start thinking laterally
and building collaboratively and and realizing they have to build a civilization together before they
can start thinking about a business because really what we're doing is building a civilization and then
the infrastructure and then eventually we can build businesses in space but uh to do that i think we
can solve two problems at the same time i propose that we ask one big question this year and that
question is what will it take to make us multi-planetary because no one knows the answer to
that everyone's building their siloed piece of this some people are dealing with the finances some are
dealing with the food some are dealing with the buses that are going to take us to mars but nobody is
building with a mindset or with an overview of everything it's going to take to make us a civilization
that can actually function so one of the things i'm doing is headhunting people that have these
different pieces to the puzzle but what i would love to do is get a community project going where
we bring together subject matter experts from across the world and we model a successful human
civilization in space and then we work backwards from that and break it into its constituent parts
and figure out what do we have and what are we missing once we know what we're missing then what we can
do is create something that daniel likes to call the hidden space program and i think it's a brilliant idea
he came up with from grow mars this idea that we can get existing companies that never thought about
space to start doing something that contributes to that space future to have a space piece of what
they're doing we can also help generate new companies because once we know what's missing we can get
existing space companies to take on what's missing in pieces if they're willing to take on some more
we can get existing companies with no space strategy to take on small pieces of it but whatever's left
over is the sweet spot all these entrepreneurs that are coming from the oil industry the automotive
industry the mining industry the energy sector they know it's hot and they know it's coming but they
don't quite know where they fit in and we don't want everyone creating a rocket company so we can help
advise them on where the missing niches are and so they instantly do something very valuable and they're
not replicating what 10 other people are doing so this is something i would love to propose
um it can live under whatever umbrella it needs to anyone that wants to help with that contact me
i'm on all the socials i'm sure you know that but we need to figure out what it looks like before we
can build it and we have to build it collaboratively um just a few comments sorry daniel first of all
inara we have manual here and uh he is actually working on getting all the projects on board
and uh we are members of mundao mundao is a really different type of organization
and we have experience building uh community that are aligned out of nothing so um like now we have a
framework that is called dao decentralized autonomous organization to address the issue
uh manual sorry uh we have also one guest here i'm really sorry manual but we have uh akiumi he's
from japan he worked for jacks a while haven't uh talked to you for i don't know years my friend
now it's your time please present yourself and sorry everyone um unfortunately we have limited time
so akiumi jump on the stage and feel free to present yourself
uh akiumi can you hear us because you're you're on mute so you have to unmute yourself in the left
bottom corner of the screen
might be still connecting changing audio settings um i just wanted to jump in real quick and say um
yeah the hidden space community it's all these it's all these people uh in government and
universities and multinationals that are working on these over the horizon challenges that are 30 50
years down the road that they don't connect with space settlement but truly if if we're going to
survive you know if we're going to keep going forward here on earth we need the same types of
technologies here on earth as we do in space um so how do we how do we have space be that showcase be
that really great filter no greenwashing you know we were talking about climate change and stuff like
that you know space is the ultimate filter because you know it's the air that you're breathing it's
it's it's the power that you have it's the materials and things that you need all in a really great filter
so yeah and now uh getting uh sorry manuel go ahead sorry we have really limited time so manuel it's
your time yeah i i understand this i understand this i just wanted to add something uh what to what
inara just said um because yeah it's really really critical to onboard all the traditional industries
uh especially when it comes to critical infrastructure uh to the space economy i'm talking
about uh the the industries linked to agriculture uh manufacturing transportation uh and for sure
resource utilization um so yeah the the big big oil companies that you know just waste their time and
making more profit because they just have this profit over purpose mindset and then educating them about
the possibilities and opportunities we have at our fingertips when it comes to using space to
utilize more resources there so i'm totally aligned with this uh what you just said inara and this is
exactly the reason why we are here and why we are building these uh this decentralized space uh ecosystem
to uh go to traditional industries to stakeholders also on the public and also on the private side
uh first to educate them then to build communities around um and then start working on on the biggest
challenges of our lifetimes and i would say yeah let's start working on this i think we you know paved
the way uh for all the incoming projects in dspace uh and now the next steps will exactly be uh to engage
more open science communities more open hardware communities and then shift the way to open innovation
to grants prices and hackathons so that we really see uh also the general public engage in this so yeah
just confirming everything that you just said and let's uh start working on that thanks
so uh yeah like we approaching the same goal from from different perspective
um sorry for shilling one more time but uh there is really an alternative and it's called dao and
it's not only about mundau but space is about global collaboration and with daos now we have people
sorry that i'm referring too much to mundau but right now it's the only real space dao we have people
all over the world engaged in the process and we have a framework that allows us to to make decisions
and uh on uh right now a gitcoin round is happening and there is a round that is called decentralized
science so we are shilling space exploration for different people to a global community that has a lot
of tools that basically we need to do technology transfer and that's that's a pro and we are trying
to engage that community that's what we are doing and highly like the idea of like we have to
collaborate the whole there are two big movements in crypto it's called the degen and regen degen from
degeneration and regen from regeneration if you come to encrypt to raise money just to raise money
then you're a degen and actually uh i those people do not get the point and if you go to crypto into
like to to for for the community for the like-minded people who are global who are open that's a truly
different world so um from what i've learned in the last year and i'm really deep in web3 just for the
last year things are changing uh a lot uh in different areas but in a couple of years we will see a different
types of international collaborations that actually pave the way to the sustainable settlement on the moon on
mars and in general yeah i'm really excited about that happy to hear your comments
oh we have andrew here uh let me invite you and your titan paris like let me invite you to
to the stage so today we have a really amazing space focused uh spaces uh really like uh that and
uh as far as i know uh andrew titan in the part of space plus nfts so they're also chilling for web3
happy to hear from you andrew
i've sent an invitation to to speak so yeah hey welcome aboard feel free to present yourself
the floor is yours hi there how y'all doing
doing great doing great chilling uh web3 to to folks and to the way how we can collaborate on a global
scale absolutely i um thought inara was speaking so i thought i'd come over and listen in and see what
what y'all are up to so inara uh the stage is yours
yeah so uh titan is from i24 which is an amazing organization that i'm proud to be part of as well
that is working on bringing the public into the space circle and really living by that standard of
making space for everyone i think one of the things we have another big problem we really
have in the space world is that the public doesn't feel they can attach themselves to it or that it's
possible for them so one of our big barriers is is making those opportunities available to the wider
public and getting them dreaming with us because if we don't build this myth together then we're going
to be very limited in what we can do so i24 is definitely on the front end of that work and you know
quickly getting the message out where i think traditional organizations you know like nasa for instance or
even spacex don't really have the bandwidth for that spacex more so but we need a lot of these you
know we need hundreds or thousands of these organizations on the ground that can focus on
public outreach so i think it's one of those things we should incorporate in any of the lateral planning
that we do so web3 is all about uh building a community building relationships and collaborations
between projects so uh maybe daniel you would like to briefly remind us what your project is about and
why we are discussing space engineering here just we have more guests sure um very briefly um just how
to how to incorporate um carbon into the green loop and and how to make it expand how to make that green
loop that does so much work for us on the front end and the back end um using biology both in food and air
production and waste um management um how do you how do you make that loop big enough and passive enough
um to to function and and expand at a rate that's fast enough that keeps up with a growing population
um is is paramount to that challenge um very different than kind of electrochemical um you know cold
fusion architecture um you know currently pretty much all our food um is is produced um through
either using really old biology right using um oil-based uh materials and energy um and and doing
that through traditional farming um so you know how do we how do we take an existing kind of office
off-the-shelf system that's uh applicable and how do we how do we make sure that works in space
love that that's really cool so uh gonzalo uh the stage is yours
uh gonzalo be current okay go ahead i just wanted to put a bit of
i'm gonna call not space but spice into the discussion um it's also important to understand
from my view that at least in the us um
nasa drives the overall i'm gonna say budget for space it had an increase of around i think six
percent last year but if we if we go a little bit more back it comes down to in the washington cohorts
as new people are elected they need to be informed about what space and why is that important and
why is it important for the constituents why is it important for utah for arizona for
why is it important for tax why is it important for the for the industrial and service economy there
and that has to be an ongoing job so not only across the world with organizations like the daos but
but also at the local level you know at the school level at the the person that we elect or we don't elect
because if you are an immigrant you might not vote but whatever
at the local level we need to ensure that the message is being carried out and that's by you
know day-to-day actions talking with your kids about space with your family showing things in the in
in the case of grow mars well showing to my family like this is the ecosystem that will fly it has this
type of payload well what what this payload means why is it so small and why don't we take it
so it requires that active day-to-day communication with the existing new close communities with
practical things like why can't we send why can't we send a car to space or wow why isn't it the same
as flying so that information needs to be i'm gonna say tailored and sent in a daily basis and that's
that's something that i i think it's many times missing if we compare ourselves to other forms of
i'm gonna say information either it is social causes this is the cause man this is the cause so so
i'm working hard to connect more at the dc level but also at my community level that's where i can act
and we can go here to the library put a set of prospects talk with set of kids go to the i'm going
to to an high school next to to talk about space and and moon and and also grow mars that's how i would
like to happen like because one day those folks or their parents will be in in whatever is their
washington's and will approve the whatever bills or politics or whatever is the decisions and space will be
on their mind it will be easier to bring them in so it's really important i wanted to get the layer of
funding
inside okay i wanted to get to get to get that because without funding guys this is not going to happen
that's the reality our dream the dream that becomes a project the project that becomes a business will
not happen that's just making sure that that that that that is in the mind of everyone
um i'm using the opportunity of being a host but i want to say that for the last year i have been
shooting really hard to the idea of the lunar exploration to the gitcoin community and gitcoin
community is huge um there are around several thousands of people all over the world with the
different experiences uh that are open-minded and those people are founders they're really active
so they are opinion leaders and that's why actually we are here and that's why i'm really
have to say thank everyone for coming here that's what what we are doing we are shielding the idea to
the world uh we are doing it at different levels me and manual we are deep in decide the space and all
that crypto movement but we also deep like we had at the beginning of the call we had aguido he is a
super connector he is a conservation biologist and he knows a lot of projects in the world like we have
a guy who is who has planted the most trees in the world like a huge number i do not remember that number
but he knows how to promote and he really supports space exploration so we are shielding hard
um i know that i tell a lot about a lot about myself sorry but just want to add that one of the
ideas of lunk is to teach kids space engineering in the form of a game at its core it it'll be just a
fully operational system that relies on the real models but it has to have a story it has to be engaging
it has to be a game for for kids it has to be super realistic and from that perspective i want to shout out to
the creators of kerbal space program like they did really a lot to popularize space and that's one
of the important ways and there are hundreds of ways how we can promote the ideas so and twitter
spaces and chilling on gitcoin that's the way how me and the manual contribute to that movement
so anyone wants to to jump on stage and comment
yeah i think the gamification is it and and systems modeling really is is a unique um opportunity
um particularly around these really diverse types of biological systems that you you know many
different ecosystems everyone has a different green loop if you will with all different agents within
it um so and and in different environments you know polar lunar environment versus ecuadorial versus mars
you know leo is that they all have different um different sets of parameters which i think could be
architected in a unique way um particularly one one i applied for was a a space nerd camp for adults
and i applied to be a counselor for it and i put into the pitch i said we're going to do a space escape
room can you escape entropy um and and give them the tool sets to try to architect um kind of reverse
engineer grow mars if you will or come up with a a grow mars similar process of okay you've created one
now how do you go to two you know what do you need um to do if you're if you're um mining or or you know
using using biology or using um more mechanical systems and electrochemical systems it'd be really
interesting to be like almost an escape room type of uh um system around space and in particular
big challenge of space settlement it it's fun when kids look into feedback loops correct it's really
fun that's that's a man that's a really cool idea um when you see the light things coming in and fast
force that that's a really good one um yeah what my my kid just opened his bank account like i don't
know a few months ago and and the idea of interest it's just a really profound one like i i remember
that too having a bank account be like oh i get money for just having like you have you have a resource
that grows in value and that expands and that's exactly what you need on earth and in space so yeah yeah
yeah yeah that's that's um yeah it's not very it's coming back to some of the old not old books but
the fifth discipline from saying it it didn't really work out that well in terms of commercial
application but the overall context of clds or contextual loop diagrams and feedback delays and
reinforcement of the reinforcement of systems it's it it's a thing that people don't talk that much
man um it's and we do need it to when when we're looking at the the grill mars project that that that we
are that daniel has in here and supporting uh the whole point of feedback loops it's so critical man
uh it could even save lives so yeah rod something more to put inside something more to put inside the
way that you want to bring um space systems engineering in your platform then
a couple you got me you got me what i i was thinking but actually uh i will be really happy to
to model and the the software good enough for modeling should be done in three years from three to six
months depends on the results of uh gitcoin but definitely i'm really happy that everyone came
here i think it's a really huge success uh happy that maybe you learned a bit about web3 and the way
how things work uh thanks andrew i've been trying to follow you for a long time and thanks for jumping
in i know that you are doing a really great job thank you appreciate that we're trying very hard
like uh like to echo what nara was talking about earlier about the building community and and also what
we've been talking about is educating the young because they're going to grow up to be the next
generation that help create the space economy and and take us out into the new frontier
so uh we have 10 minutes left and frankly speaking i'm quite exhausted
uh so manuel maybe you want to lead the conversation or maybe anyone has anything to add
uh yeah i was gonna i was gonna just jump in and admit and uh let everybody know if they're
interested in joining the inspired 24 um you can check out we're on uh we're here on twitter uh being
at the inspired 24 and also uh the inspired 24.com you can check out what we're being involved with
we're growing very quickly uh we just got our 501c3 uh non-profit recently and we're starting to get
very organized and uh and begin our outreach to the world and we sure could use some help
happy to collaborate like we have mondow we have a lot of members at mondow and mondow with the global
community so happy to collaborate on every activity related to space exploration the processes at mondow are
crazy and quite hard but uh after all we have a lot of options and we're happy to support every space
initiative and also in a couple of months we are thinking to conduct a d-space decentralized space
around on a gitcoin and basically it's a way to fund projects uh not sure how it will go like right now
we are in the middle of the gitcoin beta round in a couple of months we will figure out what's going
on and we'll be working on uh getting sponsors on board so happy to collaborate on uh all of that
stuff manuel it's your time yeah yeah i i definitely appreciate all the work that you're doing uh in the
space economy and yeah you're totally totally right rod we are right now in the middle of uh this
decentralized science round in collaboration with gitcoin uh we're using the other protocol to make like
a completely community driven grand round where we are supporting a lot of projects they're utilizing
web3 tools uh for the academic world and you're totally right also um with the d-space round we are
planning right now to onboard more sponsors into our ecosystem uh from the traditional space industry
uh from the academic world and then create this um cornerstone matching pool fund and you can imagine
if we have uh space projects that want to find initial funding they can go on the journey to raise funds
uh via crowd via the crowd so crypto crowdfunding and based on the popularity of these projects they will
gain a bonus uh out of our matching pool fund on top of what they already raised so this is really
where we are heading towards engaging open science open hardware communities worldwide uh to start
also exploring opportunities in web3 uh and i'm really open and happy that you joined us today
andrew uh and let's definitely continue the conversation thanks a lot absolutely
and uh let michelle i did uh daniel and grow mars initiative uh they're building an amazing uh technology so
happy to collaborate and actually they're working on uh i forgot the name of the vehicle by uh lockheed martin
but uh daniel we're happy to support uh your efforts at mondauer both me and manual we know a lot about
the processes and your project is amazing we really want to be on board it's a quite a
journey because of the processes um but yeah we are we really a community of people who wants to support
every great project like yours awesome looking forward to it yeah we have we just received a test
article and we'll be going to um thermal vac uh chamber testing um within the next couple weeks
so that will be they'll really drive a lot of the systems interior um looking at just the just the water
cycle it's just how is the water cycle going to work how do you passively condense the water have
it go through the system um so that's one of the first things we're solving for um and um that will
drive system design most likely so looking forward to um to to rapidly iterating um in the next couple
weeks and to to clarify like we're happy to support your at different levels starting from uh financing
maybe uh we have a limited amount of finance but we definitely can bring some money into your project but
it's not only uh it's not the only thing that we can and yeah it'll be like kind of a grant or
something not not not binding but we also kind of happy to support with the promotion and with like
a lot of activities and thanks to to daos we have access to a global community of a crazy like-minded
people sometimes people like they are really crazy but crazy in a good sense like they're like-minded
and they know what will be in the future hey i just want to let you guys know yeah we've got a great
great term for that instead of saying like-minded we use the term space positive and get people like that
well we've got we've got i love it for we've got 40 to 50 kilograms of space positive um payload space
to to figure out how to architect you know a um a a meaningful and functional system ecosystem
so um looking forward to collaboratively working on that i just want to add that uh i do not know
i've heard uh the term space positive and i really like uh that like that's the story so if you get
started the uh activity a huge shout out uh for you like it's amazing the story one thing that
three teaches us that we need that kind of story like uh for example like there is a god of uh
communications not communication i forgot god of human failure called called moloch so like
it's a story around that three and we definitely need a lot of stories about uh space exploration so
i'll put somewhere that i'm space positive like the idea and grow mars is carbon negative so space
positive carbon negative there's there's parallels to to the two challenges yeah actually that term
space oh sorry a carbon negative that's a really amazing way to to show your project and i'll be using
that idea to show space exploration to communities that are far away from space but now they are becoming
engaged i hate that people still uh laughing when you say that oh we are working on the lunar
exploration really hate that and moreover people just do not understand that goes beyond their mind
they think they it just they do not hear oh great great tweet so uh we have like we are at the top of
the hour we've been online for one and a half hour i have to say that feel free to add the last words
uh to jump on the stage and uh let's wrap this place sorry this spaces
okay so uh if no one has uh anything to say uh just all i think uh we have uh a twitter spaces at
mondauer it's uh pinned to jumbotron uh feel free to jump uh to that spaces it should be really interesting
uh um and uh thanks uh everyone for joining it was really amazing i really love like what we
discussed i think we have paved the the way to i hopefully will we've paved the way to a lot of
things so thanks everyone and uh bye
