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SUI MEGA SPACE 🌊
Recorded: Jan. 4, 2024 Duration: 0:56:24Space Recording
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Good morning, everyone.
Beats, can you hear me?
Or, sorry, Suey Big Brain?
GM, GM, yep.
Can you hear me?
Loud and clear.
Wow, I am unbelievably tired.
This is crazy, but anything for Suey.
Yeah, same.
I'm, like, running on minimal energy, but I'm here.
Yeah, gotta be here.
Couldn't miss it.
Sure, are you on for these wee labs?
Of course, GM, GM.
How are we all doing?
I've been...
I'm in California, and I've been waking up at 4 a.m. three days in a row to talk to people online.
This is a great time.
We have Linquist from Summer, and...
How are you?
Jim?
All good.
All good.
Good to be here.
Just from what I'm aware, I'm sure we've already touched four continents, through the four of us, I think.
I'm here, Savon, with perhaps a lower voice than I have.
Great day, everybody.
Great day.
We'll have David, who's been firing up the feed with Suey tweets.
David, how does it feel to be a celebrity?
Yeah, it feels amazing, spreading the word of why Suey is the best blockchain.
Cosmic K, Rose, are you?
Yes, that's me.
Jim, Jim.
Good to be here.
Hell yeah.
Yeah, I will try to keep this as streamlined as possible and not make the say, say hi to everyone and everyone, say how bullish they're on Suey for an hour.
There is an agenda in typical Suey slash Miston style.
But I want to get started with it right away and talk about the momentum that Suey has built going into this year.
We're just starting 2024.
2024, I think last year was filled with a lot of, I actually can't even believe that it's been less than a year since made that.
And we're barely getting started here.
Suey, big brain, let me pick your big brain first, specifically an investor angle to kick things off.
It seems like you guys are really doubling down on Suey.
I know if you haven't seen, there's a lot of things going on.
But just overall, through the big brain twin account, through your account, and more, not just in money talking, but with supporting your investments and such.
Why has your thesis more or less stayed the same?
And what are your thoughts on the Suey network going to 2024?
First of all, thanks for having me here.
Appreciate it.
Yeah, our thesis has always been super transparent, which is we believe in Suey from the very beginning.
And what they were trying to do with just onboarding the masses in the most frictionless way to blockchain ever.
And so far, all of the products that have come out of the Suey ecosystem has shown the unique ability to do that.
And so for us, doubling down is just reinforcing that initial confidence that we had in Miston Labs and Suey Network and the entire team.
We're looking at opportunities, obviously, like in the NFT space, the gaming space, DeFi.
And just looking at the numbers, I mean, there's not even like a pair right now for USDC directly.
And we're already like killing numbers through the roof.
So for me, it's like the path is so logically clear.
Like for 2024, like Suey is the obvious choice.
And if you're not buying bags now, like I feel like you're going to regret it in like 12 to 24 months.
So, yeah, like we're just big believers in the builders, the ecosystem in any way we can provide support.
We're happy to do that.
Oh, yeah.
So it's really a long term thesis, it sounds like, but also on the short term, it's paying off.
I guess critical question for you.
We'd start to put you on the spot, but I think DeFi really has been skyrocketing on Suey.
But here for all the NFT folks who have been somewhat struggling and really started to put you on the spot.
What's your, I would say, Suey NFT vision as a investment VC firm?
And then perhaps if you don't have one now, what do you hope to see that sets Suey apart from, let's say, Solana?
So I think like coming into this, a lot of the initial NFT builders were focusing on, you know, like the traditional PFP projects.
There's a lot to do with Suey and the tech that we'd love to see emphasized.
I think like there are certain projects, Cosmicadia, Typus, like they've really sort of like dug into unique capabilities that Suey has.
Obviously, like a lot of the gaming projects that we spoke to as well, like in terms of incorporating like NFT assets within their own games, building on Suey.
There's just so much potential, I think, that if you just strip away the whole PFP, just a photo narrative, that I would really love to see builders take advantage of.
And it comes down to like whether or not you want to take the risk to innovate, right?
I mean, you could really build, you know, any chain in the world that you chose.
But Suey has like this particular unique ability to sort of like encourage builders.
And like I look in the Suey writers chat and I always see like actual feedback happening from the Missin Labs team, from the core devs.
It's a helping hand and I would encourage developers, like if you are looking for a chain to build and you've got a unique idea, like explore Suey because you will get full hands-on support there.
Hell yeah.
And as someone who sends corny puns in the Suey folks chat, I could assure you that the Suey Network team, the Missin team, others that are already building.
I think I'm saying this on every space that we're on, PizzaNet, about Suey.
I think they're definitely built different in the way that they help out as an ecosystem and also just like bluntly as a labs and foundation, which is a, I think, a perfect segue.
Anyway, Salon and Ron, I see you guys both on, on the Missin side, for the masses that are listening, if you guys can obviously introduce yourselves, but also I think clarify is the right word on how slash in what method Missin is willing to help.
And then I think as a labs persona, what angle you guys are taking in 2024 for builders and projects alike.
Great day again.
Thank you for organizing this, Brian.
Lovely to see everybody here.
Grateful to be a part of this.
So anybody who's not familiar, I'm at Missin Labs.
I'm on the partnerships team along with Rohan.
We have some other people from Missin in the space as well.
David, of course.
I see Otney's in here.
As far as the support that we deliver to partners, we don't take that term lightly.
And we recognize that you can build really compelling tech, but you need people to really explore what is possible with it and to really get it out there and to innovate with that technology.
And when you provide a language that people aren't as familiar with, right?
Our CTO, Sam, he created the Move programming language, iterated it to make it more of a smart contract platform with Swimove.
As awesome of a language as it is, people need assistance getting up to speed with it, getting comfortable with it initially, understanding its nuances.
Same thing with the primitives like Kiosk and some other things that are in the works.
And so what we really aim to do is support people directly in that sense of getting them comfortable with that technology, depending on the situation, providing them with solutions engineering support as well.
So they get to work directly alongside engineers at Mistin Labs.
Beyond that, we also work on go-to-market strategy.
We work on the comms strategies.
There's so many different arms and folks at the Mistin team that are all chipping in to really ensure and do everything in our power to help partners and builders be successful in the ecosystem and explore what is possible when building on top of Swimove.
Yeah, and I'll echo that and add on to the fact.
And just for those of you who don't know, I recently joined Mistin Labs and I'm leading the NFT in the Web3 culture aspect.
As broad as that is, I think the focus is pretty clear.
We've been seeing a lot of interest from various NFT projects within the space, looking to explore what the tech can help them enable.
So, you know, Sevan touched on the dynamic NFT aspects of it, right?
Providing the right resources that can help projects explore what goes beyond just in PFP NFT, right?
How you can embed it and create real use cases and utility around it.
We launched summer NFT program back in December and we are continuing that through January.
So hoping to get in more, you know, interesting projects, not just on the PFP side, but also the infrastructure end of it.
And coming from an ecosystem, you know, in my previous life, I've launched help with the other side NFT or with the Yuga Lab stuff.
I've seen NFTs as a whole as an ecosystem evolve and there's a lot of similarities between how NFTs evolve into gaming assets or how they will have real world asset applications.
So we're exploring all of those new areas, keeping in mind that the power of Sui's technology can enable that plus a lot more.
And on top of that, compared to some of the other chains, we can provide that hands-on support to projects that are ambitious, that are looking to utilize that technology, which may or may not be available on some of those other chains.
So super excited to see this growing ecosystem we have, not just around NFTs, but around DeFi, gaming, sports and everything else in between.
And we're happy to provide any support that the, you know, builders within this ecosystem need as well.
Sure. I also see Anup, you came up. If you have anything to add on the missing support side.
Yeah, sure. Thanks Brian for organizing this. I'm Anup. I lead commerce partnerships at Messon and kind of echoing what, what Rohan and Seyvon said is we're just here to help, you know, the web three ecosystem.
There's a lot to navigate through. We're here to help come, you know, come up with ideas, help with technological implementations, come up with ideas to do, you know, implement utility.
We're just really here. We are here to help support and be a sounding board for the community.
Hell yeah. Yeah, I think I'd like to compare it to new countries and perhaps city-states where you might already be touring and be on a network like, I don't know, let's call it the Brian Network.
So I don't get into political discussions, but you haven't explored SUI yet and you need tour guides to understand what the best mode of transportation is, what the best tourist attraction are.
So I think, I think it's good to have partners, especially Messon Labs to understand where to go and how to get there.
But I think on that front, I think Viet's mentioned a little bit, Rohan, with Cosmic Adia, how would you say that you're embracing the technology that SUI provides and the reason for continuing to double down on SUI?
I know you guys had your land airdrops and continuing to build on SUI almost exclusively.
What is the reason for that? And how is, how is the support system helped?
Yeah, so on the tech side, especially what I've heard from our game developers, it's, it's just very suitable to make the kind of games that we want to build, right?
So if you take the example of Cosmic Adia, it's a, um, a farming game where people will build, um, on their own piece of land.
And that's a very, um, extensible environment with a lot of changes, et cetera.
And those changes impact the gameplay as well.
So, um, if you then, for example, think about things like dynamic NFTs, mutable NFTs, um, that is just very suitable to build, uh, on SUI.
So, um, yeah, we, what we've already shown so far, we have, um, our first avatar, um, sale that we did, um, and the first demo, um, those, um, those avatars will be, um, mutable in the sense that you can change clothing items and they will also affect the gameplay again, for example, gather, uh, more resources, et cetera.
And like you just said, we, we did our, uh, land release as well recently.
And, um, those will be the first, um, dynamic NFTs that we actually showcase on, on SUI.
Um, and, and they will also be, um, continually upgraded through, um, the gameplay while you're building, right?
So that is something that we, uh, haven't really seen before yet, at least the, the ease of building, what I also hear of our developers, right?
So I'm not a developer, but I hear that the move language really, um, allows that, um, to be developed from the, from the ground up.
Um, and, and so also on the support side, I also want to, I want to hop in on that.
So, uh, we've, from the beginning, we have gotten a lot of support from this and both on marketing side and on the developer side.
So, uh, we're in a lot of chats where we can ask questions, um, we get connections, the developer to get, um, help where needed.
Um, and that has been really helpful, especially also before, uh, before main ad, we have gotten a lot of support,
helping, preparing for, um, for a launch.
And, um, it's also just to be good to be in an ecosystem, um, where gaming is such a huge factor.
So, especially as a gaming studio, we, we feel at exactly the right place.
Yeah, it's, it sounds like you're really embracing the gaming ethos that I think Sui has been exercising from the beginning.
Um, and also obviously taking advantage of technology like dynamic NFTs, um, to really, um, embrace, I think what Sui's best at, um, which is, uh, leveraging all these different,
I would argue like solutions and engineering products that they continue to delve out.
Um, I guess on that note, shout out, um, shout out to Sui Labs for continuing to, to ship.
Um, I think you guys are really known just for, uh, embracing all those things and, and, and continue to, uh, really push out, uh, products and services that, um, the DGEN community and also just like overall early adopters want.
Um, what's next on the DGEN Labs, uh, calendar, I should say.
Um, and why do you guys also continue to build on Sui?
Yeah, I appreciate the question.
So yeah, for us, we've been focused very much on building pay to play apps and these betting dApps, which have been fun.
We've taken some classics like CoinFlip and also use Sui's tech to make it a little bit better.
So for example, on our CoinFlip, you can play and you get your winning sent automatically in just one transaction.
Whereas on Solana or other chains, you'd need a second transaction to claim.
So just leveraging those little things to make the UX better, because at the end of the day, UX is king and we'll keep expanding and building new games too.
At the end of the day, we want to get created as we've done with WinX, which is a very unique prize competition platform, which requires a bit more skill than most traditional gambling apps.
And then, yeah, we're just going to slowly build on from there.
We want to be the comedic community betting hub on Sui.
We want to be the place where Sui users come and spend their native tokens on a bunch of fun games.
And we want to have the community side too.
So we have our NFT program and we're launching a loyalty and rewards program in Q1 and Q2 of next year.
And essentially, our NFT holders will always have unique benefits on the games we build, if not some more concrete and financial rewards in some way.
But yeah, that's the goal.
We look at competitors like Sol Casino and we want to emulate their vision and go and do it bigger and better while adopting some unique features for Sui.
And also, what's really great about Sui is they're tapping into an untapped market in Southeast Asia.
We see a lot of traffic from countries like Vietnam, India, many of whom are first-time adopters of the tech and because of that, very loyal to Sui.
And I think if we can continue exploring that, where Solana and ETH is maybe more of an American and European base, if we can lead more in Asia, I think that gives Sui a really, really unique advantage.
So yeah, excited to push that, excited to keep building and also encourage other folks to come in.
You know, the water's warm, the tech's great, and there's a really strong community.
A small one, but it's cool, it's strong, and they've got some diamond hands in here as well.
Yeah, I actually really like the last bit about expanding the pie and tapping into markets that, as a collective ecosystem, we haven't done yet.
I actually don't really know him well, but he was part of the invite list.
So, Pico Rainbow, it sounds like you're building a community in Asia and part of Rug Radio Asia.
I'm actually part of Rug Radio Korea, which I haven't been on in a while and I should probably be on.
But regardless, yeah, introduce yourself and your thoughts on Sui.
Yeah, for sure.
So, first off, shout out to LinQuest, because you invited me up on the stage.
And man, I love so far the conversation, and especially when you guys talk about Southeast Asia, that's my whole thing, right?
Building a narrative in Southeast Asia, because obviously, I feel like, first off, you know, just a little bit background.
I'm based in Malaysia.
If you not have heard of it, it's basically the Twin Towers.
That's Kuala Lumpur, that's where I stay.
And why, you know, I come into the space doing content.
Basically, when I join all the spaces, you roughly or you hardly hear any, you know, I would say Asian slang to do to the spaces, right?
So, my whole narrative is about, you know, how can we build up Asia?
And since last one whole year, everybody's talking about, hey, you know, Asia is on the rise.
We went, for example, we started off in July in KBW, you know, KBW, token 20498 fast, Indian blockchain rate, Taipei blockchain rate, and all of this.
And when you go out and meet people, initially, it's all about, you know, NFTs on EVE, right?
That whole narrative, because maybe, you know, the price is high and stuff like that.
But when you look out and see, I feel like builders these days, especially in Southeast Asia, they don't mind to try out other chains as long as there is support to them, right?
And all of these, you know, different chains popping.
For example, Sui, Say, all of these chains are popping because, hey, you know, we got the support that we needed.
There is more and more, I would say, Asian builders out there that is looking for a platform to grow.
And so far, you know, I've been, ever since I talked to Lin, you know, I've been checking out, you know, what's happening with you guys.
And it seems like, man, not only, you know, your NFTs on your marketplace is popping, but there is more people talking about it.
There's more content produced on it.
And I feel like this is an opportunity to say, hey, you know, all these other chains, there are so much things that is happening.
And especially in Asia, you know, a lot of builders are coming out, creating content and stuff like that.
So I'm really looking forward to, you know, kind of like go into this ecosystem because I'm doing this thing called Rainbow Con,
whereby it's really just to, you know, take one day, for example, eight to nine hours to do like a mega spaces where, you know,
people who doesn't know about, for example, say, you know, Sui, come in and, you know, we have different topics,
for example, you know, five different topics from NFTs, from, you know, RWAs and all of these, you know, different ecosystems.
They spend their time in one day to learn about everything that's happening in the ecosystem,
get to know who is the founder, who are the people that they want to connect to.
So I'm really looking forward to, you know, to talk to you guys more and to understand more.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that, I think, probably raised a lot of ears for a lot of people in this chat who definitely need that growing of the pie,
whether it be on an ecosystem level, on a project level, on a exit liquidity level.
I hope people understood the joke.
Thanks for coming by.
Yeah.
Keep us moving the loop about how people can really double down in Asia.
Would you, I guess, to have you speak while you're here, would you say there's a, you have a tip or two, a trick or two,
that the Asian community is a little different from a majority of us who come from, I think, North America?
Is there a different strategy to targeting that market?
Just from our end, you've got to make sure you've got good code because our code has been checked so many times by, like, Asian people in our community
just because there's such a strong engineering background there.
So, like, every bit of code has been questioned.
So, yeah, just know your shit there before launching an app.
For sure.
Like, I think one experience I can give out is this project that came into my radar, right?
Obviously, it's from inscriptions, all the notes.
But the whole narrative is that it launches in China and these people, they don't even need, for example,
people out of, you know, China to participate for them to really do well and, you know, 10x the floor price, right?
Because it's a whole, I would say, a whole community on their own and they themselves is able to kind of, like, generate it all up.
So, really, when it comes to, for example, the Asian narrative, I feel like language barrier is one of the biggest things that I'm trying to solve, right?
Because you guys have been in spaces whereby, for example, the project is by a bunch of, you know,
maybe a Korean, you know, Thailand people or even China people and you hear, for example, that translation of they answering, getting translated, getting to you,
it will be, you know, that whole struggle of, you know, what is really happening.
But when you pair both narratives together, for example, doing a spaces whereby it's not just in English,
but English and Mandarin together, you can see people that join it.
It's a new group of people that you haven't seen before in the ecosystem.
And instantly, you are, you know, I'm a space host.
You can see, for example, besides 100 people, you get 200 people that is coming to the narrative.
And when you do that, I would say more and more, you know, people is going to take notice.
Oh, this is not just a network, for example, for English people, right?
But you have Chinese, you have Korean, you have Thai, you have Vietnamese and all of these different languages.
Because most majority, I would say, Asia still use English.
But when you go out to different countries, people kind of resonate with their own local language, right?
So I feel like that when you come into the Asian space, if you are able to target all of these local speaking groups,
you're really able to get a new batch of crop in to the ecosystem and not just, you know, rinse and repeat the same crop.
Because, you know, people tend to lose interest, you know, they tend to get tired of minting.
So we always need that new flow of people from Asia.
Because once Asia pick up, everybody, you know, is, you know, producing content on their own, writing threads in Mandarin.
And then you just have that whole new, I would say, snowball going.
So for those of you listening, it sounds like there's three key things to enter into Asia.
One, keep your code tight, because Asians know if your code sucks.
Two, Asian communities are willing to almost be independent on their own.
Which I think is kind of a plus if you think about it, just tackling it right.
And then third, there's obviously a language barrier, which I think perhaps AI in the future can help jump.
But maybe even having community members on your side that speak the various languages that are trying to enter is probably a good tool to have in your back pocket.
Speaking of people who are multilingual, Lindquist, thanks for waiting for a long time.
I know you've been making splashes with summer with NFTX literators and clearly bringing in the right people like Pico Rainbow.
Lindquist, what's on your radar?
What's summer been building?
And what are next steps?
Yeah.
Hey, Brian.
Thanks for having me.
And excited to be here.
Super excited to hear all the Asian focus.
Obviously, I realized 20 years ago that Asia was the next frontier, and that's why I moved here.
And I'm still here.
I do agree completely with those three points.
I also think that there's one point that sort of mixed into it, and that's don't badge Asia.
Into one bag because it's very diverse, not only on language, but culture and everything beyond.
And I think that's something often people say, I love Asian food, but nobody says I love European food.
But there's a massive part in Asia that's going to change everything, I think, and specifically on Web3.
So I'm also super stoked to have a focus on Asia and the fact that we're talking about it here is really great.
There will be massive onboarding specifically for any interesting chain like Sui, that even its name has Asian heritage, right?
So we'll see a lot of extremely interesting parts coming up, I'm sure.
But yeah, for summer, sorry I represent my own punk here, I would rather represent summer, but my colleague is sleeping on the handle right now.
So we are kicking back up after our winter break with the teams that we got onto the cohort, expanding culture and growth on Sui.
A lot of the guys over here in this space are part of it, some of them applied, and we're trying to have some sort of support for the ones that couldn't get in as well.
And we're hoping as well getting all those announcements out in the weeks to come.
I also want to say that what Anup and Sivan and Rohan has done with us is massive support, big shout out, and great people to work with.
So I think this is something that is unique to Sui.
Not many ecosystems in any way support in that matter.
And on a personal level, great people.
So yeah, happy to be here.
For sure.
And Link, as well, I have you.
For future projects that are looking to enter Sui, perhaps get your personal guidance or be part of the summer program, what can they look forward to and how can they join?
Yeah, so often what chains help with is a lot of the tech support and figuring out how to build on the chain.
Whereas we take a different approach where we help teams figure out what is their go-to-market strategy, what's their fit with the chain and in the real world as well.
How to onboard users, marketing, introductions to capital, whether that's grants or funds or something else.
So mainly helping projects to build businesses and not just get stuck on the early ideation stage, which we've seen a lot in the past.
And it's something that we all are great at different things, right?
I'm terrible at coding.
Don't put me in front of a computer with a code.
I won't do any use whatsoever, but I know what I'm good at.
And that's what we will support with, which is more on the business development side and making sure teams really succeed beyond a great PFP or a great idea.
So yeah, something like that.
For sure.
Yeah, and it sounds like we have a pretty wide array cast of folks that can help cross the board about onboarding into an ecosystem.
And for those of you that missed it, that just joined, Lindquist's tip is to not group Asia in one giant bucket and to understand that the different components of Asia are unique on its own and to tackle them very differently.
Certainly, you know, I guess I can personally attest that as much as I love being Asian, I love being Korean even more.
While we've been speaking, FUD has entered the chat.
Is there someone on the FUD account?
FUD, FUD.
Hello.
You're in the presence of royalty.
For real.
I've been saving up the SWE royalty of FUD and David Tickson for last, but we can keep going.
FUD.
I'll address this FUD.
FUD, you've clearly been making splashes in the past month or so, airdrops to players' communities, most recently to non-SWE communities, LP providers, and more.
I guess celebrating our wins, obviously missed the meme coin wave that we can't ignore.
Current plans, future plans, what can the community look out for?
Well, you know, SWE has started from FUD from day one, so we just wanted to spread more FUD, really.
There'll be more FUD coming soon.
January will probably be a month of FUD.
And 2024 will also be a year of FUD.
I just want to say, FUD, I appreciate you guys taking out the bear.
I know it was a rough one, but I respect it.
I rate it.
You saved us all.
Oh, it was just a holiday accident.
I think, jokes aside, this might be the first time I've ever heard a meme coin account speak.
Like, perhaps, in Web3 history.
Very, very lovely British accent that this FUD man must have.
Yeah, it sounds like FUD is FUD in 2024.
And Joe said, from what I know, they have quite a lot of plans.
So, FUD, thanks for joining.
And, yeah, thanks for bringing the FUD and the FUD to the SWE network.
David, I know it's early for you as well, being equally as tired.
You've been really firing up Twitter feed.
If you follow SWE even remotely, you've probably seen David's tweets about how SWE is the best thing in the world, even beyond Web3.
I actually wanted to ask you about 2024 and the year you're coming up and kind of SWE's, in your perspective, priorities for the year.
Not necessarily Miston's priorities, but you think SWE's priorities, SWE builder community, what the overall ecosystem should be looking forward to, and your thoughts just as an ecosystem leader.
Yeah, I have a lot to say about this.
And I think the whole thing for 2024 is about growth and growing the community.
So, the SWE tech is real right now.
We're the fastest blockchain out there.
We're doing finality times better than any other chain.
And the throughput numbers for SWE is actually scalable.
And there's actually a scalable roadmap of horizontal scalability that SWE has that no other chain has.
And, yeah, so I think this year is all about just educating the whole Web3 community, Web2 partners, people interested in getting to Web3 for the first time, why SWE has superior tech.
And I really believe that once people hear about what SWE is doing, they become really excited since they finally have a blockchain that's easy to develop on.
And it's also very easy for an end user to have the best experience.
And I think everyone that has tried SWE from the beginning of using the wallet for the first time with ZK Login, getting a transaction to occur really quickly and even faster than ever chains.
Yeah, people are really noticing, yeah, that SWE is the real deal.
And it's not just talk like a lot of ever chains are, like the tech is here.
Can I jump in with a quick question?
Because, of course, when you think about, you know, lightning quick blockchains, you think of the leading ones like Solana.
And then when I think about SWE, obviously, that's the benchmark for us.
And in some ways, I wonder about what's the best narrative for SWE, because maybe being quick isn't enough.
But what the scalability you talked on there is really key, right?
Do you have any sort of what's your insight into sort of Solana versus SWE on the scalability on that front?
And also compared to any other chains you can think of, like, say, or things like that?
Yeah, so we're faster than Solana.
So, like, Solana finality is in seconds, like SWE finality is in, yeah, milliseconds.
And so our design is, like, the best for payments that's ever been created.
So, like, the origins of, like, SWE's design goes from this paper that the founders had created when they were working at Facebook called FastPay.
And FastPay was basically how the world payment system was going to work.
And, yeah, so our design of objects that SWE has allows us to skip consensus.
And you're able to have, like, transactions occur in, like, 300 milliseconds.
And, yeah, this hasn't been done before.
Like, SWE is the ultimate, yep, blockchain for payments.
And so, yeah, you get, like, increased, like, speed that even surpasses, like, the previous generation of blockchains on SWE.
And, like, developers are, yeah, developing much faster and safer with SWE move.
And even Solana developers are now coming over to try SWE, and they love it.
So we recently just got Soland, which is, like, Solana's top DeFi project.
Even despite, like, Solana being, like, the hottest thing in, like, crypto right now, yes, Soland is coming to SWE and will be live in the end of Q1 of this year.
And so I'm really excited about that, since that's Solana's, like, premier DeFi project.
They have, like, a lot of good things going on on Solana, but, yeah, they recognize that SWE is special, and they're going to be, yeah, going live very soon.
And I think even, like, Reuter from, like, Soland, yeah, he was asked why he is building on SWE, and he said that SWE is doing something very special.
And, yeah, developing on Solana, it is, like, chewing glass is, like, the term.
And Solana development is quite hard, and, yeah, it's very challenging for developers, especially new developers coming to Solana.
And for SWE, he said, like, yeah, for developing on SWE, it's like chewing puree compared to chewing glass.
And the Web3 developer community is so small right now.
There's only, like, 13,000 developers in all of Web3.
And when you look at other languages, just in Web2, there's millions of developers.
And so I think we still can set what is, like, the main smart contract language in the world, and it's going to be SWE move.
And, yeah, people want the most performant chain possible, and that's SWE.
And so I think that's the winning recipe.
It's great for developers.
It's great for the end user.
And also, I guess on the scaling question, like, yes, SWE, due to that object model, like, scales compared to all the ever previous chains that we're using accounts,
and this object model is, like, SWE's, like, special sauce.
And so SWE's, like, design of storage is completely different compared to all the ever blockchains that occurred before.
And it unlocks things like horizontal scalability that you are able to have multiple machines acting on one validator.
And I think all the ever blockchains are going to be scaling for this vertical approach of just, like, more increased, like, better hardware on one machine.
And, yeah, we actually have a roadmap of scaling in the future.
And so our throughput is going to be able to scale with demand while ever chains will be stuck.
Jumping in there also, David, man, dropping bars, dropping bars.
I love to see it, dude.
Appreciate that.
The other thing that I want to call out is that the fascinating thing about this industry, this sector, is the idea of narratives.
And narratives, from what I observe, really is something that has a bit of an emergent quality.
You can try to coordinate a narrative and then deliver it to people and say, hey, here's the narrative.
Here's how you should think about us.
And that does have value.
However, I think even more valuable is when that narrative comes from the people who are using it, building with it, interacting with that piece of technology.
Sweet, in this case, of course.
Because what it really does is showcase in practice what are people finding as the optimum use cases for it.
What is it unlocking for them?
And if you think about that angle of it versus trying to craft a perfect narrative and then sell it to people, which is often what we see take place, you can run into these issues where so much of it comes down to marketing.
Right.
I think about Solana and their slogan.
I was seeing it at conferences over the past year, you know, only possible on Solana.
That sounds phenomenal.
That's a great slogan.
But one, two, because they've already put the spin, they built this marketing machine behind it.
So this idea of, OK, let's say that the community is sweet.
It was like, man, you know, I just did so and so this and that.
You know, I just created an NFT that actually has royalty enforcement baked in to the contract level.
No one can circumvent these royalties or these rights enforcement parameters via things like kiosks.
Or we see recently typists, they're airdropping LP positions for options contracts.
I've never seen that before.
Right.
So you could say that there are plenty of things that can only be possible on sweet.
But guess what?
Someone else already bought that narrative.
So instead, what I think is more valuable is to take stake or take inventory of what we're seeing happen at the grassroots level with developers, with users.
And then every developer, every builder, you push the narrative of why you're on sweet and what you feel is useful for it.
And we're going to see a different perception where there's not just one narrative to cling to, but a myriad of reasons of why sweet is really positioned to do what we're seeing happen right now.
And there's a lot of technical primitives that drive that kiosk is one which really helps on the IP enforcement route.
And so people talk about going mainstream and enterprises getting in.
Enterprises aren't just the Amazons and the Googles of the world.
Enterprises, that's Disney.
Enterprises, that's Warner Brothers.
Enterprises, you know, that's these major conglomerates that are focused on content and they need certain requirements.
And then enterprises, that's banks, that's endowment funds, that's sovereign wealth funds.
They need certain parameters and capabilities when it comes to compliance.
And closed-loop token as a standard helps to deliver that.
So I think, you know, people talk about soon and that's not been as popular anymore.
But just keep in mind, we're only less than a year out from mainnet, but there are a lot of things coming down the pipeline that will really begin to allow people to see and experience firsthand and not be told what the narrative is.
Yeah, and I think, Savant, to your point, it's to the point that all this technology is already out and a lot of it being integrated and implemented across the projects have been showcased.
And I think it's a great reminder that we've only been here for, you know, less than a year to really build and get this technology out.
And I think, to David's point, it's really about that education piece, whether it be to existing builders, new builders, or mass adopters, about SWE's good news, I should say, and how it could be streamlined for any purpose, regardless of intent within Web3.
Savant, I do have to say that as soon as you started speaking, I got three different messages from three very different individuals about how they could listen to your voice all day.
So I hope you take that feedback into consideration.
Juzi, you're up here, also a royalty on the SWE side, in my opinion.
How are things going as a builder on SWE, and what can you share?
Thanks for having me.
Yeah, I'm Juzi.
I'm the founder of Polymedia, and also recently the infamous developer of FUD, giver of airdrops, creator of dumps.
Having a lot of fun building on SWE, it's really a joy as a developer.
And just to speak a bit about FUD, which I think is what people are most interested about,
the TLDR of it is Gabal of Crypto OGs reached out to me back in November to see if I wanted to build a meme coin with them.
I said yes to my regrets, and a few weeks later of calling like a maniac, we are one of the greatest and biggest meme coins on SWE by volume.
I'm still locked in the basement, unfortunately, but it's been quite a success so far.
There's a huge amount of stuff happening behind the scenes.
But my handlers have told me to not leak any alpha if I want to eat today, so I'm going to have to keep that for another day.
But, yeah, I mean, just very excited to see the response that the community has been giving us.
And I hope to do very exciting things with FUD and with SWE in the coming months, so stay tuned.
Yeah, it sounds like Juicy's been through it a lot.
In case of any investigation by any federal entities are similar, I have not.
I've been invited to this space by accident.
Yeah, Juicy, if you could speak a bit more, jokes aside, on building on SWE,
it sounds like you've built your own platform, in addition, helped out with the FUD meme coin.
What would you say, I guess, without putting others down, just the positives of building on SWE have been,
especially as a developer, and I think some kind words to future potential developers of SWE
of why building on SWE really is a fun, seamless experience
and not the scary Web3 trap that people overall might see crypto-related developing to be.
Sure. I mean, just to give people some context, I had been a software engineer for many years
before I started working on crypto, and I had looked at a few different options,
like the Raston, Solana, and so on, and they all had a lot of friction.
I've been a product engineer, so I like to see my ideas come to life.
I like to do the front-end, back-end, all the integration parts, design, etc.
So when I saw Move, especially SWE, that was the technology that made me want to get started with Web3,
because I felt, on the one hand, it's extremely safe.
It gives you very fine-grained control of your assets.
You know exactly what I was going to touch, and so on.
And it also allows for a very natural way of building,
where if you're coming from traditional software development,
it's just a little jump, a little mental model you have to adapt to.
And it allows for this composability at a different level, I would say,
where you can send objects, like, very tangibly from functions to functions,
from packages to packages, and the object encapsulates things in the way you would expect it
from a sort of programming, object-oriented perspective.
So for me, it's been amazing to build.
It was an easy transition.
I've been able to build a number of apps.
You can really just start playing around and be like,
hey, you know, I've built a chat application on SWE.
I've built a betting application.
And it really isn't a big of a hurdle.
It's not like, oh, you're doing blockchain development.
You're just doing development.
You think of an app, and you can implement a front-end for it,
and your back-end can be SWE.
That's how I think about SWE.
It's really just a back-end.
It's not like complicated blockchain technology.
And you have the expressivity of Move and the safety of Move.
So I would really encourage people that have been put off by hacks in other chains and so on
to look into Move, and especially SWE,
because Move is a great starting point,
but then SWE has this object-oriented model to it
that allows you to very intuitively operate within the chain
and build your applications just like you would be building on any other language.
So that's my two cents.
Hell yeah.
And I guess my small-brain simplified take of what you said would be
it's super intuitive for developers and just anyone trying to build.
It's crypto-friendly, as in these object-oriented programming language.
And Move itself allows you to really, I guess, parallelize and apples-to-apples these assets
and make sure that it's buildable.
And then three, I think simple is the right word,
where the documentation that Move has just allows you to really scale fast
and start building really quickly.
I actually don't even know if I'm allowed to do this,
but Savon, all these KOLs up here,
I've heard there's something being cooked in the background
before I'm shot down by Denny.
What are things you can share on that front?
Oh, man, I love you, Brian.
So, officially, there's nothing official right now.
That said,
there is a lot of,
there's a lot taking place simultaneously,
and people have limited attention.
And so, one of the best ways,
as we were talking from the narrative perspective,
is to really accelerate the pace and the accessibility to information
and experiment with different ways of getting that information out there.
that, you know, most everybody in this space in their own way
has carried the baton,
carried the boats, as many like to say,
on speaking about SWE,
explaining to other people
why you all have chosen to build on SWE
and what makes it special in your eyes.
And so, long story short,
there are discussions and explorations
about how a way to scale
that sort of impact and reach
to make it far easier
for people to onboard to SWE
to learn about it,
regardless of what their particular interest is
at that moment in time.
Obviously, some people are really focused on DeFi,
some people are really here
for the culture and the community,
other people are here for the gaming,
so on and so forth,
but all of it is valuable
and it's all one massive community ecosystem.
So, this is something super top of mind
for us.
And at the start of the conversation,
Brian, you asked,
and I wasn't ducking the question,
I just didn't answer it,
about what is really the focus going into 2024.
And the focus is,
we're still obviously very focused on developers,
but switching that a bit
to focus more on end users and consumers
and coming to the people
who are ultimately coming to have these experiences,
they're being built
to all of these really competent
and leading developers.
So, hopefully that wasn't too cryptic of an answer,
but soon.
Yeah, if I can add on to that as well,
and thanks for not spilling any beans,
I think I won't be able to do that.
But just to give you a little more insight
in terms of like how we are thinking behind the scenes,
it's operating off of a thesis.
And thesis is like any network
or an ecosystem requires a systems approach, right?
So, and in this case,
positive feedback loop
is what we are trying to create.
What that means is we,
the governing principles here becomes,
you got to create awareness
about an ecosystem.
So, that's the education aspect
that Seyvon was talking about, right?
That helps create value
for the network as a whole.
That, as a result,
creates, you know,
interest among the masses, right?
What we call the early acquirers,
and some may call them degents,
whichever, it's your pick.
That creates new ideas,
and that new idea
has helped create new projects.
And this becomes that flywheel in essence
that enables the kind of growth
that you see in some of the other ecosystem.
So, that's our fundamental driving system
that we have kicked off,
and we hope to see all of you guys
kind of participate that in full force.
Hell yeah.
I'll probably get a stern sit-down talk
from Seyvon and Rohan after this,
but I'm in California,
so I can hide.
It sounds like we're near
the end of the space.
Just to summarize,
for those of you listening now,
the TLDR,
the Seyv Network,
the Seyv Ecosystem,
Misten Labs,
all here to help on various fronts,
whether it be
through providing solutions
and engineering,
through guiding,
just having a helping hand
and making intros.
I've certainly experienced
all of it together.
It seems like all these projects
are really doubling down
on various technology
like the NFT's kiosk,
ZK Send,
and more to really embrace
the web through ethos
and also the toolings
that is available on SWE.
Asia is popping off.
If you guys are interested,
make sure that you target
the right crowds
at the right time,
but also embrace
the uniqueness of each culture,
know the languages,
and make sure that your code is tight.
FUD is going off,
as Juzi mentioned,
and the nice British gentleman
on the podcast,
they are going to continue
to have fun,
airdrop,
and build for the community.
SWE,
big brain,
gave us insights
on how the investment alarm,
VC firm,
and overall investing community
is really looking towards SWE
to build long-term.
And David really looked
at the insights
of why SWE
is the right
and fun language
to build on.
On that note,
yeah,
if any raised hands,
we can finish off
with a couple of comments.
It seems like,
Google Rainbow,
you have something to say?
I just want to say,
I love the conversation so far.
My DMs are open
if you guys have
that SWE secret cabal
private group chat
on Telegram,
on Discord,
on Twitter.
Do let me know.
I would love to join.
Just add me in.
But yeah,
that's my last remarks.
The real cabals
don't happen
on Twitter DMs.
Just saying.
Those are fake cabals.
If you have to ask for it,
you're not part
of the cabal.
You're not part of the cabal.
But we love you.
Yeah,
Peter,
we'll have to
consider it a little bit.
Maybe we'll go through
like a probation period
like Jeezy in the basement.
But yeah,
we'll have an internal vote
and reach out
via Pigeon or something.
Yeah,
I guess to end things off,
if I'm really honest,
I'm super tired.
And I know you guys know,
people that know me personally
know that I'm a talker,
but I need to get ready
for a flight tomorrow.
But really fantastic space.
I'm not going to pat myself
on the back,
but I think I'm not
a big fan of spaces
that just come up
and shill the hell
out of something.
I think we actually
talked about technology,
which is what this is,
community,
which is what this is,
and making money
to a certain degree,
which is what this is.
So I appreciate
all of you guys coming up.
My DMs are open.
I'm Brian from Hyperspace.
I guess,
ironically,
I will refute
everything I just said
and shill the hell
out of Hyperspace.
We're doubling down
on Sui this year.
For those of you
that know that know,
we're integrating
wide varieties of features
that we've been showcased
and also working closely
with every project
mentioned here,
whether it be as a launchpad,
a marketplace,
or more.
Personally,
very bullish on Sui,
as you guys know.
So yeah,
Hyperspace,
number one.
That's the only thing
I want to shill.
And I'll see you guys
next time.
Thanks, guys.
Bye, guys.
Bye, guys.
Bye, guys.
Bye, guys.
