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Recorded: April 6, 2025 Duration: 3:04:52Space Recording
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appears we're live.
Oh, we have zero viewers. Four seconds in.
That's crazy.
What is it all in?
Zero.
In the first five seconds, it's always zero.
It was a totally useless
proclamation by me. It should have just been
ignored.
Tron is still doing the thing,
Sue. It hasn't
gapped down any. It's just glued to that level the thing, Sue. It hasn't gapped down any.
It's just glued to that level.
Oh, man.
We're getting some rough commentary.
I haven't actually looked at what Bitcoin is at today.
It's at the same price.
Okay.
I don't know.
Try to refresh your chart.
It looks unrefreshed.
Yeah. That looks great now
it looks i don't know looks great yeah like honestly it looks it looks like sort of primed
or something i don't know jordy tweeted now is a very good risk reward spot like the five times out of the year it's like a good resource spot let me uh go to his argument like
what he's saying yeah he he said here i'll send you the tweet um um i tend to agree with this now. I think it's a good time to scale in.
Because you already have the map, you have like moving stocks now that's already like six sigma.
Right. So, you know, Jimmy Morgan put out a statement that said, you know,
most of the biggest up moves in the market have come after the biggest down moves.
So the odds of like a big up move day are increasing.
Yeah.
And plus, if Bitcoin is bottomed at 81 anyways, 81 range,
then you have very good risk reward because even if stocks fall another 5%,
Bitcoin may not go down.
But if stocks go up bitcoin may
go to 100k pretty fast so and that and that i think is a game theory thing where like maybe
bitcoin is fully so supply shocks so the holders are like well if i sell then i may not be able to
buy back right so yeah i just hold so yeah i don't know dude it looks uh it looks like easy right now to buy like the only thing
is like i would i would want to wait like another four or five days or something just to see if
there's like a ridiculous like uh gap down but uh i don't know i mean if it was gonna gap down
i feel like it would have already done so because
it's not over one day of stock like if it's one day of stock gap down and then you have like
bidding and then yeah but it's like multiple days it's survived multiple days with like big
buy flows at like 82 so yeah that is a pretty good thesis i mean there there is still a chance
that okay like people are like leveraged bidding but
i don't see that evidence in the in like per like people aren't buying perps they're buying spot
yeah which is much better than buying perps yeah yeah i mean there were parts in this where people
were buying uh perps but uh it appears it appears those people are gone now there's no more
yeah and it's interesting like most people who buy perps, they're not actually buying Bitcoin perps. They're buying like other perps before.
So now you're getting washed out to the point where everybody who's done anything other than buy Bitcoin spot is now like fatigued or broke by the market.
So like, do you what do you is he just saying buy Bitcoin?
Like, because let's say that this is one of
these uh these five parts of the year where you can just pick up money right usually during these
parts of the year it's not just bitcoin that moves by all it's actually but people are too
scared to say buy alts because if you say buy if i got if i tweet all season right now i'm gonna
just gonna get mocked for like yeah right yeah that that's what i was wondering i was wondering like are there seeking alts no one can the only alt that is now accepted to shill is uh fartcoin right so
fartcoin is really strong because it's like it's become the bitcoin of meme coins yeah because like
you can show fartcoin and you're not a scammer every other meme coin you show now you're a scammer
basically like even like it's safer to show far coin than trump token right
maybe like mog mog right mog is all right but you're at least not called a scammer if you show
it like you're not called a scammer really yeah yeah yeah it is yeah yeah i was speaking to someone
mog the other day actually um he he was like you know the problem
with language is that maybe the word goes out of fashion and you just kick it cooked on like three
levels you know like probably okay yeah i think it's generally accepted that the goal will go up
if crypto goes up it's like if we wrote like an ox white paper and like a core part of the ox white
paper was a reliance on like gunner economics and now in three years we have to like explain gunner
economics to the market and everyone is just like this feels like a product that
should have never been released or like this this feels like a product that uh
you know it should have died with the last market cycle.
Yeah.
So Spurrier says Bitcoin positive when NASDAQ under three down 50 percent is only eight times out of 43, mostly clustered after COVID after the 70 percent crash.
One that stands out is February 2nd, 2022.
Not sure what happened there, but vix was around 22 and nasdaq had been
up 10 a few days before yeah so it gives covet crash vibes i agree i agree smart money is
allocating smart money is bidding definitely bidding every time every time saiyuki tells me
that uh he's picking up bitcoin
he like fomos me into buying a little bit more so i'm gradually approaching like 35 40 bitcoin
allocation out of i think i think i i see very few people having the guts to chill soul on the
timeline but i think soul is the is going to outperform bitcoin oil now why i think one is
you have like the ETF is coming,
right? Like everyone's applying for the ETF. It's almost certainly going to get approved.
It doesn't have the overhang that ETHE did where people were like buying at discount and then
redeeming it. Grayscale doesn't have that issue. So there's no day one selling of etfs like you had with uh eath and then and then if there's
on etf people will buy it in my opinion like more people will buy it than sell it at least so and
sauna doesn't need as much capital to pump so i like soul etf i like xrp as well here because i
see a lot of people saying short at two dollars and it's just a little bit too easy you know like
a lot of people saying short at two dollars and it's just a little bit too easy you know like
um xrp etf probably is also coming this year and your taxi driver is in a mogu again so
like xrp is not topped until we see most ct influencers say they have 10 of portfolio in
xrp conservatively i really would not want to short this coin, sir. This is an insane short of $2 in my opinion.
First of all, it may just be supply shock. They may have accumulated the whole supply
over the bear markets. And secondly, they're clearly going for an IPO play plus an ETF play.
So if you're going to short this, I think it has be on like the ipo but shorting it like because stuff
is breaking down like this can people forget but xrp tripled during 2018 bear market like it tripled
when bitcoin was dumping so like it actually does even better if bitcoin is dumping in my opinion um
so xrp i just think xrp is fairly uncorrelated from the rest of the crypto market.
Great catalysts.
All the reg FUD is cleared up.
I mean, this is also horrifying.
Like this is a genuinely horrifying chart to show.
This is a bull flag.
It's just that simple.
I mean, the thing is, too, like if you are an XRPrp maxi the way you would tell history is you would
say xrp was on the verge to become number one number two it wasn't number two then the sec
sued it and they had to fight a multi-year legal battle then they won the battle so now xrp is
reclaiming its natural spot like i mean consider the last few years to be like the irrational period where like people are like
defy and like ETH and like, you know, I watched broad, I watched Brad Garlinghouse speak once in
Singapore at a conference and Brad said, you know, because he's asked about Bitcoin, he's asked about
he's like, you know, I like Bitcoin, I have some Bitcoin. Then he said, you know, ETH, he says,
you know, we are the adults in the room.
They're the children in the room.
They're the children in the room.
He says something of that nature.
like you,
I mean,
you have like,
this is really good.
Just look at the fucking chart
compared to Bitcoin.
Like this is an altcoin
that has held up
better than Bitcoin.
Yeah, it's like everything's going down. I. It's the only green thing on the day.
Everything's going down.
I'm going to short the strongest thing in the market.
Yeah.
Yeah, crazy short, I would say.
But then again, I don't know.
Maybe you're short here and it just goes straight back to where it was.
Sentiment hedging.
Yeah, I mean, that's the most half-hearted sentiment
hedge of all time oh look at that price 2.1488 crazy oh updated
yeah i think they'll ipo i think they'll ipo ripple stock Ox token is actually always undervalued.
Because of the tokenomics.
Ox is designed to be undervalued, yeah.
The main use case of Ox is to be undervalued.
How are you feeling about hype?
Hype looks okay.
Like, under 12 it looks okay
i would definitely never chase hype higher hype's one of those coins you actually have to trade it like a utility stock you have to trade it like you're trading like uh like a telecom company
like like if you overpay for hype by one dollar you you're like you're paying for it basically
you're like you're paying for it basically so you gotta buy below 12 sell it above 14.
just like people were buying at 20 selling at 30 and then they were doing uh like okay we buy 15
sell at 20 and then they didn't manage to do that because they couldn't get the solid 20.
i think now is like you buy under 12 sell about 14.
I think now is that you buy under 12, sell about 14.
I saw some FUD actually around the unit stuff where there's a hyper unit team.
I know the founder of that quite well.
The hyper unit team is launching spot for hyper liquid and they have their own unit
token and there's been some FUD saying like, why would you have a new token for the And there's been some fun saying,
like, why would you have a new token for the team that's building spot for your platform?
Was it actually confirmed that there's a new token?
Yeah, of course.
I thought that was just a rumor.
Oh, okay.
No, it was confirmed.
I know the unit team really well.
So on the pro side of it,
it's like, okay, it's a non-core team,
so they needed their own token. On the other it, it's like, okay, it's a non-core team. So they need their own token.
On the other hand, the question was like,
why did you leave an external team to build spot majors for you?
Because spot majors should be considered like a core USP of hype, right?
Because now the tokenomics don't go to hype, it goes to unit.
Right.
Isn't it just the bridge though?
Or are they actually doing the entire spot platform?
Well, they bootstrapped
the spot liquidity as well so okay in theory you're getting unit airdrop when you trade spot on
on hyper liquid you may also be getting it um you may also be getting hyper drop no one knows but
it does it i mean because the issue is that unit gets the ticker. So they have BDC USD.
When you trade that, it's actually unit BDC.
But they didn't, you know, so they get to say that it's like the official one.
But then it's a different project, right?
So that's some really good product, though.
I've been using it quite a bit to like bridge mainnet BTC onto like EVM chains.
Yeah, it's a fantastic it's fantastic like onram
store chain style products um
yeah so i mean i just think it's one of those things like it's a bottom side where
people complain about that kind of stuff because um like the hyperlink actually needs more of those
not less like it needs more stuff that actually builds on it and then like that that's one issue with your having your community to maxi over like
your coin it's like it matter anything is not to pump the coin basically so yeah I can't say that I'm terribly positive about the hype token at this moment.
But at some point it's a buy, I guess.
Oh, Lucas, you're echoing pretty bad. Let's see what else looks good it's bouncing
not a whole lot bouncing okay
jupiter looks terrible yeah you have a lot of things that are sitting there chilling though that's good nothing is really bouncing but you have many things that haven't gone down
that much and now they're just sitting on a plane jupiter actually is an example of this uh of this dilution effect because jlp so jupiter perp 75%
of fees go to jlp holders and i believe the other 25% just go to the team but 0% goes into the jup
token i believe that's true correct me if i'm wrong i've heard a lot of people complaining
that jupiter is giving away too much money or something uh but i presume these
people are people staking juke mad that they're not getting more of it right oh that's like the
that's like uh giga cringe because they're complaining that people are paid like 10k a
month to do bd or something and then this is worth at least at most like six k a month
so it's like some of those people like like whenever you have a public budget, you,
whenever you have a public budget,
you always get people in some country being like, this is like 30 X,
the average salary in my country, let me do it. And then they're like,
you can't do it. So yeah.
Just like, you can't really have a, like an Indonesian doing having us,
VD having public payroll is not a great
idea in general.
I was going to say that is kind of the,
that is kind of the issue.
Like it seems great from like an openness and transparency thing,
but I,
I mean,
study companies,
right?
Like study us corporations,
like the most efficient.
Yeah.
Like the efficient,
the most efficient capitalistic entities in the world.
I do not publish their fucking salary for their employees, right?
Like, that's not...
Yeah.
I've got some friends on the Jupiter team that are super frustrated by that, like how the Dow has to approve salaries and stuff like that.
I think it's messing.
They're, like, trying to hire people, and then it messes up because the Dow doesn't approve the salary.
Actually, like, a gig of gaslight.
Like, if you're a founder and you don't want to pay your team, that's a great way to gaslight them because you'd be like oh the dow doesn't
approve your highest salary bro look at this like the dow thinks you're not worth that much
yeah i think i don't think that's what's happening in this case i think it's like they're just trying
to be too much of a like community but dow then really is optimal but uh yeah like i actually do
think that it's a case of the juke founders are actually being like extremely like high trust and openness uh to the extent that it's almost like the crypto market
will almost not reward that because crypto is actually not that high trust and openness it's
like you you like the idea of high trust and openness but like uh when exposed to it people
almost always try to destroy it in some way whether or not they know they're doing it
that's very true because people just want to complain about something almost always try to destroy it in some way, whether or not they know they're doing it. That's very true. Because people just want to complain about something.
So they'll look at it. They won't be like, oh, it's great that you hired this guy for 12K. He's worth at least 30K a month. No one will ever say that. But they'll say like, oh,
he's overpaid, he's overpaid, and the vibes are bad. Yeah, this is actually a lot of the power
of the pump fund too, is like being like a huge black box.
Yeah.
Give people as little to FUD as possible.
Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, that's the thing. If you assume that like crypto crypto is a unique market where three years
out of every four, they will flood everything that they can find.
And one year out of every four, they will like a bullpost,
everything they can find.
You just want them finding as little as possible because there's an extremely like offset ratio of what they
bought versus what they bull post
sparrows saying vix curve is crazy backdated 25 points one week between six months
most since covet yet bdc ball barely up gold gold ball, we still get a drop, most likely
is too good to be true.
Yeah, that's a fair argument.
I mean, you would tend to think that Bitcoin is a risk asset, right?
I mean, it's almost certainly always performed as a risk asset.
I would feel retarded going into any conversation saying something other than Bitcoin is a risk
asset, actually. I would expect everyone to laugh at me yeah that being the case
i i think the combination of like you know best since has or basson has has shield bitcoin several
times now in the last two weeks as like the emerging store value so the same guy doing the
tariffs is also showing bdc so i i think that for those of us
in crypto we're a little bit desensitized to it but i do imagine if you're a boomer
and you're listening to barrett to best on talk about tariffs and then he tells you that bitcoin
is a store value you might just go on apos right so well at least like the stuff you have you're
not going to sell it right um because at this point i'm have, you're not going to sell it, right?
At this point, I'm like, if you're not long BTC into like this kind of scenario where it's actually potentially becoming like a stateless store value or whatever, and the
dollar is maybe in danger of losing its reserve currency status, like what are we even doing
here?
Like if BTC can't pump under those conditions, then we might as well just pack it up.
Yeah. Yeah, that is a good argument it's like what are you waiting for yeah like this is what it was built to do so if it can't do it it's like it's cooked i i mean it also has like fairly
mitigated downside risk right like the level of it breaking below like 69k super hard is like uh
like that'd have to be some pretty
serious fun right like it could definitely happen i mean also i'm just like one of the few assets
where i'm like willing to buy here and eat on it if it does go down more i don't really care you
know like um i'm fine with holding yeah know I'm looking at maybe
you get
a maths
20-30% drawdown
and that's like
giga worst case scenario
right?
If you've been here for a while
your cost basis on this stuff is
retardedly low
compared to where we're trading right now yes
yeah like my last my last series buys were like 20k 25. i mean i don't
yeah like people i know who are long bitcoin now they generally don't um
they don't really
they don't really feel the need to sell right now I think um I think the type person to have sold on that they would have already sold on the SBR announcement and they're
more likely like buying back now because the SBR was also a very big top sign right like that the
government was gonna buy all this Bitcoin so yeah that was always like one of the stated goals of um
like dump on the government when they start buying yeah yeah you could have sold even if you thought
they were buying because you could have said well who's going to buy after the government
or you could have said i don't believe that the government's going to start buying and then also
sell so there's like two reasons to sell basically um the reason to buy there
is to say the government is actually going to pump it through the moon um so which seems a
little bit like uh absurd right
like they're probably going to pump it but the chances of them just market buying like eight million uh we're just gonna do
it all right now right after the announcement your mic is like aids raping me it's like
okay i fixed it nice um yeah i don't know i it was also there's just also so many other top
signals going on at that time
like uh we had several different nation states launching solana shit coins and just like a bunch
of retarded behavior several different nation states we were we like the solana network was
getting ddos by like countries yeah yeah that was like the most obvious tell to me but i mean if you if you've been in cash for a while or like at least heavy cash like
i don't know how you're not fitting here really i'm not
really that interested in waiting for the last leg down or whatever
i mean there's always the last leg down speculatively right like everyone this is
one of the other like signs that i use for like historically should i have been buying uh and like
if if people are all talking about like uh you know i'm just i'm waiting for the last leg down
like that's when i'm to start placing my bids.
Right.
Like.
That's usually like when it was the bottom.
When timeline consensus is that we're getting one, just one last leg, bro.
Yeah.
Just one, one last dip.
We all get to refill 20% lower and then.
Yeah.
Like, just don't worry about it guys
i don't know spurious might be right
yeah i mean it's i'm not saying that it's impossible that we could get another leg
down i just don't care like you know yeah like i don't really care about hitting the exact pico
bottom yeah there's not much else to buy i think people are genuinely denominated in bitcoin more I don't really care about hitting the exact Pico bottom.
There's not much else to buy. I think people are genuinely denominated in Bitcoin more than before.
Before, it used to be more ironic.
I think 2019, if you said you were
denominated in Bitcoin, people thought you were being
ironic. They're like,
denominated in fiat, bro. Now, I think a lot of people
do denominated in Bitcoin. They don't
really care about Bitcoin going down in dollars.
So there's not much spot selling.
Like, it's the least bad asset, right?
Like, if you say assets are bad, but then it's the least bad one.
So then it's the best one, right?
It's actually really funny because last cycle,
what I did on Common Core, it was like a gig of Bitcoin Maxi.
And we did a podcast where he was explaining how via negativa, like via eliminating all other possible assets, you arrive at Bitcoin is the best one.
And then he became an ETH Maxi. And so he was ETH Maxi in 2018, 17, and then he used Bitcoin Maxi in 2019. Then he became ETH Maxi again for the last few years. He started working on MEV stuff.
But basically,
buying negativa is a good approach
because let's say you don't want to own Bitcoin.
Dollars are going to get screwed now, too.
There's already a weakening law.
And then are you going to buy Swiss franc?
You can only buy it for one week out of the year
as a safe haven. You can't... Are you going only buy it for like one week out of the year. So like as a safe haven, like you can't like,
are you going to buy like Swiss Valley, like Swiss houses or something?
Like what can you buy? Right. There's nothing productive happening.
So I think Bitcoin is a good,
is the best asset for encompassing the people who want to not get inflated
away.
And also don't want to take idiosyncratic risk
on individual countries or companies.
Everything else you do, you take idiosyncratic risk.
If you buy NVIDIA, what happens if one day
chips are not as in demand as people thought?
If China makes their own...
Yeah, or some other company figures out how to do it way cheaper
or something like that.
Yeah, exactly.
Intel used to be the consensus chip play now it's like dead right like yeah that was that was rough bro
intel is one of the only stocks i bought as a kid i think uh i bought intel take two uh midway which
which went to zero and i also bought uh what was the atpi activision before it merged with
blizzard so activision did all did really well and the other ones didn't do as well yeah intel
was like 4chan was really big on the uh dump your intel for amd uh like biz actually nailed that one
i i hedged it out with both and uh one obviously outperformed
the other but yeah i wouldn't do i guess the real move was like dump it for nvidia right
yeah yeah yeah it's like yeah but it's just like i mean historically my my experience with like uh
tech stocks has been like uh you get a period of gig out performance and
then something else rapes it uh yeah so buying in buying nvidia here is a little scary to me
because it's like there's already been a period of such insane outperformance that like uh it's
like you know maybe it just keeps doing it for like another 10 years but uh like i'm expecting
the the gig out performance to end with a rape cycle.
And if I'm expecting that, it's sort of like Bitcoin
when you're like, it's like, let's say you're a guy
who hasn't purchased any Bitcoin in his life
and Bitcoin is at like 110K.
And you're looking at it like all time highs.
Maybe I guess 100K would be a better example.
And you're like, is now my time to make my first Bitcoin buy?
And it gets a lot harder. Yeah, yeah i mean if you look at telecom like uh i'm sorry not telecom like phone makers there's been so much rotation that like you cannot extrapolate earnings like
tech stocks um htc do you guys remember htc i was just about to say yeah htc that's not putting like 200x
over like a very short period of time it was like people at the time it was about like it was around
the blackberry transition time and people are saying well who do you bet on during this blackberry
transition time like htc is gonna mog nokia that was what everyone was saying. HTC is the Blackberry killer.
And I'm sure you can't find a chart.
I'm sure it got delisted at this point.
Probably got re-bought.
You know, HTC, though, is like a Taiwanese company.
Yes.
I was thinking back to that.
When I came to Taiwan, I was like, wow, I can't wait to see what HTC is up to.
I'm going to get one of those goofy phones they had.
They looked very shiny and metal.
And then I looked into what they were doing now, and they're just gigacucked.
They're making shitty Android mid-range things forever.
They've just given up.
I mean, it was really tough for them because i think that like samsung modded in in its own category right and then
htc didn't really have a good branding answer.
And then Microsoft was going to buy HTC and they ended
up buying Nokia's phone business.
Oh, yeah.
The Microsoft phones.
This is absolutely hilarious as well.
I don't know if I'm bearish on anything.
I bought HTC more than Microsoft.
Maybe Microsoft had bought HTC.
It would have actually worked.
Microsoft is almost like an anti-indigator to me at this point.
The more that I look at what Microsoft is doing,
and I've actually now met a couple Microsoft employees,
and just actually having a Windows tablet again,
I'm just like, I think these people are,
I think they're just giga-cooked, man.
I don't know if they can turn this ship around. I'm just like, I think these people are, I think they're just giga cooked, man.
Like, I don't know if they can turn this ship around.
Like, even, there are even like enterprise business solutions that are now choosing to run on like Linux with a fucking wine emulator over using Windows because of how bad it is.
Yeah, like look at Steam also, like whole uh steam deck thing is linux based they're running people are running games on linux now because they actually run better than
on windows like with a virtual microsoft yeah they're literally they're literally running a
virtual machine it's like getting higher fps than uh than on windows natively like it's just so bad like mac gaming mac gaming is going to overtake windows
in like five years bro so so google actually bought so google actually bought uh htc's um ip
in 2017, apparently.
Googled it?
Yeah.
That's why it hasn't done anything.
Google is masterful at buying out potential competitors
and then just stonewalling all
build progress forever.
They basically used this team to build
Google Pixel and HTC
manufactured the Google Pixel phone.
Google basically team to build google pixel and htc manufactured the google pixel phone um so google basically acquired 2 000 out of the 4 000 employees of htc and then htc pivoted to internet of things and
blockchain so htc was thinking about doing like crypto after that and obviously that's when you
know it's over yeah yeah yeah but um it's like you know you know that the trader has made it when he starts posting about
stocks like pivoting from crypto into stocks is like the guy made it uh and then when you do the
reverse pivot it's like like oh no he lost everything reverse has happened right you know
that it's like the guy is considering like a fourth mortgage like he's refinancing his uh
mortgage like he's refinancing his uh credit card payment like
credit card payment like
i didn't realize hcc made a crypto phone i didn't know that either yeah it was the first in may 2019
the crypto phone was i actually i used to talk about this yeah it was the first smartphone
supported bitcoin phone note may 2019. uh obviously there's no demand for a phone that has a bitcoin phone note may 2019 uh obviously there's no demand for a phone that has a bitcoin
phone note but that's crazy actually i don't even know why windows 11 exists actually yeah they
should have just like kept refining windows 10 windows 10 was actually great windows 10 was like
uh they were like yeah we're gonna make it it's gonna be like cross compatible across like tablets
and touchscreens and computers.
And it mostly worked towards that end, I guess, a little.
And they also said this will be our last OS of all time.
They did that meme.
Every time a company has ever done that meme, it's been like...
I forgot they even did that.
Yeah, right?
It's like...
It wasn't Fortnite.
There was one of the Story Jack games where they were like,
we will never release a new game.
We're just going to keep releasing new content for this one.
It's like a common meme in gaming also.
And it just never happens.
It never pans out, right?
You always make a new thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Does OLP work same as HLP?
Is AUX vulnerable to same type exploit?
OLP works very similar to HLP.
It's different in that it has more incentives.
It has native incentives and earns fees.
It is more volatile than HLP because there are fewer external market makers on on ox fund so and a lot of the risk is
less easy to hedge so um but it's also like it's centralized so yeah yeah the exploits the exploits
are a little easier to deal with, I guess, in many ways.
Yeah.
So I'm asking why increase OX supply three times?
Why no communication?
We've been talking about it every day, the seasons.
And the core concept is, so if you read the original white paper of OX fund from May 2024,
it talks about how the unminted supply is meant to buffer the OLP.
When the OLP is losing money, it gets minted, right? What we realized is that it's better to
get the community to stake OLP and then renounce mintability, and the community can hedge the flow
of OLP. That way we can renounce mintable because even though there was mintable the problem is that the community uh doesn't understand that if all people lose money they will it will have to mint so i
think from a risk management perspective it's better if olp is is uh is owned by people that
own ox or other coins and then the protocol itself doesn't mint so we renounce mintable at the end of seasons and then the coin has no mintable issue so because i think there's
this like death spiral effect where people are scared of mint and so if mint comes when
orp is losing money then everyone's like rushing to get out like Like we started with HLP as well, right? Where people are running, rushing out of HLP
as money needs to be in HLP.
So, which is why they have to do the draconian action.
So what about Aux Holder this whole time?
So Aux Holders need to choose to be either in OLP
or in player vaults, but, you know,
they have a chance to massively
increase their percentage of the network by these seasons.
Or just gig along something if you think that's a better play.
Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So I mean, right now, I think Oxfund has two headwinds. One is that
meme coin market is kind of dead. The second is, you know, we need to get more community action and engagement. So that's kind of the
goal of this, right? So basically create a better community. Because I think one thing I realized
that, you know, our user community and our holder community became very different actually over the
last few months because the users are the ones actually trading on us one. And they trade, they
make money, they lose money, whatever. And then the holders are holding on chain.
And then they're looking at economics.
But ultimately, we kind of need to bridge it a bit better.
So he's saying Ox has more liquid assets compared to Hype.
So it's kind of riskier from Hype, even though it's fully centralized.
Yes.
So you can see the breakdown of PPL by currency currency so you can go and hedge these yourself against shorts right
like if hl if all p is short a meme point you can just go and buy it for your share of the pool and
then you're hedged um but if people go long sorry if op gets long then there's no way to hedge
because no one can short the meme coin so it's definitely more risky um so you kind of need to decide what you want to do
uh but let's be clear this is an experimental risky exchange this is the concept here the
concepts here are highly experimental that that's why we can offer meme coin collateral
and meme coin perps and so if meme coins are doing well and everything's doing well, the coin flies, right?
If meme coins die,
it does less well.
Like, make no mistake,
there's a tremendous amount of risk
in what this happens
and in what's going on here, right?
So...
Which ones? Which ones are you uh in vv i'm actually doing pretty well on my uh my soul
player vault stakes soul player vault bitcoin player ball also looks okay
actually i think all three are doing well now last week eth i think was doing well uh but i
think i like picked the worst possible time to make my ETH player vault sticks.
So I'm not getting wrecked, but it's down 10% or something, whereas the sole ones are just printing.
Yeah.
Nice. He's saying he's in all four. Same, I guess.
There's some allocation that I could have done that would have been perfect,
and then I could have switched back and forth between them all and made $10 billion.
But I don't think I'm going to be that guy.
We have stopped rewards for the aux player wealth, so you will have seen that get redeemed into your normal account.
So, yeah.
I mean, I think that the thing about Ox is like, you know, last summer when it was trading
around these levels actually a bit lower even, you know, we had a good community. There had
been a big overhang, especially of Chinese community in early 2024, where they had bought
Ox under the idea that it would be this like
giga pump and I think it's kind of a misunderstanding of maybe like our personalities but like we're
trying to build something cool here like I actually have no interest in giga pumping a coin right like
the the coin will go up if the platform does well so but it was really good to have that kind of
mentality people out of
the coin and then people in the coin that like are contributing to ideas and like actually building
stuff um so that was a nice uh so that was a nice kind of a pivot uh point i mean ultimately all we
can do is try to get adoption right so there's there's not like if you look at altcoins now uh there are no almost no
altcoins doing well uh anyways like for us the key is to actually get adoption right
like actually get users so i think um we don't we kind of did it now too like that's the funny thing if you look at our if our
if you look at our user to price ratio historically like we're doing really fucking good now yeah
compare versus last summer it's much better and i think that just a matter of time you know soul
goes over 160 main points come back to some wealth creation in the trenches um the other thing we'll
probably do is change the arrow l bribes to pump swap.
I think Solana, I mean, at this point, 90% of our actual users are on Solana and base
aerodrome. I think it's now that arrow is going down more and more, it becomes less
attractive to benefit from the aerodrome bribes. So yeah. Are you planning to expand Ox from just a meme coin perptex?
Gosh, you know, equity, commodity, I don't know if people are going to use it on Oxfine.
Like, you can just use interactive brokers, right?
So, I don't know. I think it's better to focus on a market and dominate it than to do a lot of random shit,
basically.
I don't think anyone's going to use AUX funds to trade commodities.
I just can't imagine it, at least from our current community.
So that's just saying, 3X AUX supply, squeezing liquidity out.
If you stake in vaults, you can outpace the inflation a it is a dilution if you just hold your coin on chain
but if you put it in if you put it in vaults you will maintain your percentage of the supply so
yeah i mean that's the thing is like the community is getting a 3x like you can also just 3x you
supply through these you can more than 3x supply because player balls through player balls you can actually more than through extra supply so there's there's no argument there
you can make an argument that is bearish for price now but that's because of people like you
right if you're if you're selling it because you don't want to be in these vaults then you are
making the bearishness that you're complaining about right and no one can stop that so
yes hotel integration i'm thinking about this a lot actually insurance hotels
i wonder what the distribution breakdown winds up being right so like if you're
if you're holding on chain obviously you get diluted uh if you're on exchange though and
you go into olp you'll get some some multiple if you pick the correct players like there's some
guy out there
that's going to nail everything and he's going to wind up with like a 20xing of his like control of
the network right yeah uh but i wonder what that distribution curve looks like overall
sure i'm going to be right squarely in the middle i'm gonna be like 45th percentile like absolute mid
curve uh what would pump fun for hotels be it's kind of almost a hilarious concept because hotels
are notoriously like high capital investment and like takes the 30-year time frames to get back
your money but then pump fun is like one second can maybe like bv is a very good outside the box thinker he was in here
yesterday suggesting uh some very unconventional strategies no
we do have a hybrid front end integration coming in soon too. So you can trade hyperlifidity on AuxFund.
You know, we had AuxMarkets before.
We had AuxMarkets before, which is an orderly white label.
And literally five people used it.
So I want there to be users of like a USD margin product.
But ultimately it'll depend if people want to use it through our platform or not if they do then great if they don't then they don't so
um i do maintain that there's still a little bit of like uh friction bridging into hyperliquid like
this was honestly one of the reasons that i just did not expect it to do so well is because
it's like uh getting money onto the thing was a little bit tricky you know
zero proof state it's definitely gotten better like you can go straight from seoul now and
i don't think it's bad yeah you can use deep bridge you can use other stuff
yeah that's just the males thank you thank you signal is a compliment these days or is it an
insult i can't remember i don't know it's a good thing the thing is the thing is you're supposed to just take all
these things as compliments that's for sure anyways but just yeah in terms of meaning um
how do you turn the concept of being homeless with no job into being a hotel
uh i mean squatters rights is probably like the easiest path right move to france yeah
there's many countries where like uh
i just don't understand uh i don't quite understand what this yeah i mean i mean i'm we're open to suggestions so
you know especially to design the next competition maybe you can help design the competition
um if you wanna if you wanna discuss that but ultimately yeah you gotta make big moves now
right like if you don't make any moves now you're also just gonna die so the fate of all coins is death the fate of all life is death actually
so um i just don't quite understand where the like uh liquidity squeezing comes from right because
it's like if users all get somewhere between three and four x as much of their supply like
the liquidity was not squeezed it's just now that you have four
times more tokens that are worth less also mintability is always in our roadmap that's
why we have a mincible token this is actually going to be this is a step to get out of
mincibility this was come up with by one of the biggest ox whales because he was like you have to
get mincibility out of the contracts and the best way to do that is through this method then you get two birds one stone so this gets you closer out of like non-minstability
which makes it more investable by a much wider range of people as well um because at the time
of main 2024 when i designed this with some people it's like the idea is that because the protocol is
emitting or burning tokens based on its P&L against users,
it's either hyperinflationary or hyperinflationary at any time.
And what ended up happening is that people decided that it's worse to be minting when
OLP is down because then you're going to get people panicking and debt spiraling out.
So that's kind of where this whole thing came from right all guy that shilled shit coined in super cycle chat 100x this morning
yeah that that guy is actually like uh we went and looked at his page he was literally like
live streaming from the actual shitter, like as he was taking
a dump on the toilet.
He came in here and we were like, this is genius.
And then we never bought any.
What's this here?
Is this the one that's like shitcoin the final Bitcoin?
I think so.
Oh, no, this should be different. It was a guy that had like 700 followers who was literally just streaming from the toilet.
Like that was the account.
And there were like multiple examples of him streaming from the toilet.
Yeah.
I think it's on, it's the one on DSE.
i think it's just coin is the name of it
I think it's just shitcoin is the name of it.
Okay, okay.
boys lost using player vaults don't know play currently well we put up charts now so you can
see the performance the bitcoin one's been the only one that's good because the problem with
the ethan soul one is that the market nukes through i think it's one so we widen the ranges
though out of all of them so that it's less likely to blow up.
But if you look at the chart of the Bitcoin one, that one's been printing actually for months now,
quietly because it hasn't had that much TBL in it as before.
But the Bitcoin is not very well. The sole one gets liquidated on the way up and down.
Because it got liquidated on the move up to 290 on trump token and it nuked right back down so um your position is
not fully reset it's like a it's a it's a blend of the aum of the of the pool so um we're trying
to figure out a way to make that easier to see um this is yeah that is one of the hard points i guess
is knowing like uh
what's going on it well it almost it might be nice to have like an indicator that shows like
where the price to go up like uh to here or down to here this would be your pnl right
no because right now the hard one is like uh you you actually don't necessarily know
like where you should exit the vault uh or if you should exit the vault or if you should exit the vault.
Maybe the price is going down, but you don't know if the price is going to get out of range for where your AMM is at or how it works.
So switching becomes very hard. You're sort of blind switching, I think.
Yeah. I think yeah. He sent us the
Twitter account.
Nice.
Yeah, it's Sue.
Sue's the... It's just's yeah it's just insects it's just insects it doesn't sound like insects
bro it sounds like there's like uh silicon beetles out there fucking in the sky or something
these are non-carbon based life forms i mean alien insects i should clarify yeah
so this is what insects sound like in china
this is not china but this is no it's who's in china he's gone back he's gone back to mainland
bb saying it's actually really nice yeah we can extract the audio waveform and send it to you for like an asmr luke sound clip if you want to nap to it sometime
cicadas are honestly based uh big fan cicadas cicadas yeah is that how you pronounce it there's
no way i will not be gaslit into thinking it's cicadas peanut cicadas peanut cheladas
i think it's like cicada i don't know
cicada
maybe there's like a internationalization thing going on here there's some crazy like pure periodicity to the way that their lives work too like the like the 13 year year cycles
uh apparently it's like all come out
well yeah it's like giga evolves so so like they have these like migration patterns that like i
think like the whole thing like our plans are measured in centuries like they literally plan
for centuries um the migration patterns um yeah and then they have these periods where they just overrun everything.
Yeah.
These are weird, too, finding these all around.
There's some people...
What country did I go to?
There was some country where people would go around collecting these and then frying them and eating them.
I forget if that was an Asian thing or if that was a South American thing, though.
Yeah. I forget if that was an Asian thing or if that was like a South American thing, though. I would have eaten those, honestly.
This looks like something that would be very satisfying to eat fried.
You would eat the bugs?
It's not quite the bug, right?
It's the shell of the bug.
But I would eat the bug also.
It just depends on the bug, right?
I mean, I said I think fried grasshoppers would be really, really good.
How does bug protein stack up against red meat?
I think cricket protein is something that's farmed, and it's actually pretty good.
But the issue is that crickets like uh they like bio
accumulate all of the absolute like worst gigatoxins so like you can have like great
like amino acid ratios but also it's like one percent of cricket protein powder is going to
be like actual cancer like it's going to be like lead paint to your cancer yeah there's always the argument people have which is
like because it's like a like a bottom dwelling animal you want to eat stuff that's like higher
up the chain um yeah but the things like evolutionarily wise you're actually not even
supposed to be able to eat most of those animals. Like the only reason why you're able to eat them now is because you have all this tech, right?
So it's hard to say.
Oh, wrong bug.
Like you're probably evolved to forage and eat maggots, to be honest.
I'm not saying you should eat them, but you're probably evolved to eat them.
Oh, wow. them um so oh wow cicadas they're they don't they don't engage in fights they instead rely on being so loud that predators leave them alone the word cells and sex they might this is like gives them a headache wait the foyd defense yeah oh my god
just infinite screeching hilarious
thoughts on i show speeds china tour um you know i don't know who i show speeds audiences
he he's a bit mysterious to me on that but it seemed like it went very well for him
um maybe changes people's minds on china
there were a lot of Chinese people that came up to him and said racist stuff though
said racist stuff though oh that was kind of funny but yeah well
i thought that was kind of funny but he brushed it off really well
like everyone's giving him fried chicken on the great wall and stuff and he was just like
lapping it up he's like bring it on i think at a certain point like you kind of just have to like
like that's the only actual response that makes any sense right yeah because chinese people don't
get racist they actually don't have the word for the word for racism that doesn't exist in chinese
that there's no equivalent word so you wouldn't even be able to say you're a racist they'll just
be like what do you mean you mean like i'm cognizant of race you're saying like i'm aware
that race exists so you're not aware like that's what they would say to you so you're like oh
here's a black man coming i need to be thoughtful fried chicken what do
black people like fried chicken boom here we go so americans like invented that whole conception
of like uh racism as seeing someone as like an individual as opposed to uh like just being one
of every other type of person right like the idea that, I can look at this person and they may like this or this thing more being racism.
Like it's really repeated.
It's really repeated by like chuds on the internet,
but like I cannot stress how fucking true it is.
And then how weird it is when you go to Asia
and you see like Asia and Russia specifically are like just,
it's just like this overflowing mass
of like giga racism by pure accident right
like asian man committing the most like racist uh thought crime in america purely by accident
uh often koreans is like really funny yeah
but also like i mean at a certain point if someone comes up and they're like, Lucas, like,
you're Jewish, we're going to gas you or something. Like if I respond by saying like, oh my God, like that is just beyond the pale. Like that is so unthinkable. Like at a certain
point, does this make more people do it or does this make less people do it? Right? Like if you
react like a spurg freak to anything, you just guarantee that more people are going to do that thing to you forever.
So if you, like, freak out about somebody giving you fried chicken as a black guy, I mean, maybe it works then because you get free fried chicken.
We'll give you this tweet that Stoddard said about Chinese people long ago.
But, like, Americans used to speak of this back when racism hadn't been invented. that Stoddard said about Chinese people long ago.
But Americans used to speak of this
back when racism hadn't been invented.
He's basically saying,
because he was an analyst of Japanese-Chinese relations,
and especially around Hokkaido.
And then he was just saying how the Chinese work in a very different way
than the Japanese.
He had a book called like the yellow man's land, basically,
which is kind of this hilarious name for a book.
I like this guy.
i like this guy i i don't really know who he is but uh i followed him for a while
I don't really know who he is, but I followed him for a while.
he's accidentally told me uh some some pretty useful ml little tipsies yeah
so he says the chinese are flexible as jews they can thrive on the mountain plains of tibet
under the sun of singapore more versatile even than jews they are excellent labor disavow
disavow not without merit as soldiers and sailors while they have the capacity for trade which no
other nation of the east possesses they do not even need the accident of a man's genius
to develop their magnificent future but like this is kind of stuff that times people will say about
like african countries or other countries like they'll be like yeah that place is doing well because you know they
have that Indian mix in them so they have that like trading mentality and whatever like it'll
just all be race-based theory and race-based down to like the clan that they came from
so it'll be like yeah like the Gujaratis went to this part of Africa and that's why they're like
you know this and that this is extremely like game of thrones style view of like ethnicity um so i i just i
don't know dude i'm uh i'm gonna go ethno-narcissist on this and get hung up on the flexible as jews
part i just think it's objectively untrue. You can airdrop Jews into way
more societies than the Chinese and
wind up with Jews that are succeeding.
I think Mizrahi Jews, sure.
I think
Baghdadi Jews
and Mizrahi Jews, sure. I think if you
look at Ashkenazi Jews,
not as flexible.
But the same in China, right?
If you're from F fuzion province you're
like giga flexible because you after ming dynasty you're basically cocked for like 500 years
so you have to go around and find shit to do right um but you know if you're like from the
north or whatever you're like i can just stay in my country like no need to go anywhere um like so many chinese will
move overseas and not even bother to learn english now because they're just like whatever i can just
go to chinese restaurants i can just like get my helper and you know get my guards tell me what to
do um so he i mean he's probably speaking i mean at that time it would have looked like chinese
assimilation is like really really strong because there's like literally times people going to like
giga racist places and be like i'm gonna just like start like like selling shit on the side
of the street right like while people trying to mine gold yeah yeah that guy uh i think that guy
is pissed off a few of the open ai employees uh but just
constantly flooding their friends he's always just posting some uh super pro china uh or uh
i mean it's usually like a funny third positionist take on whatever
goings on is happening in the ml land yeah it's a fun account yeah there's another good book i need to figure out how to get it online but uh it's a very old
old book but it was this greek uh sailor who went around east asia during the mid the pre-war period
and he was just like making a catalog of the women in each place and like uh like the
like the traits that he saw and he was going through like brothels but also to like normal
clubs and like normal stuff but it was like uh he was like in south gunnar gonzo posting like
100 years ago um a very rare book um
into i need to start posting screenshots from it once i get yeah
you should definitely if there's like a millennia old gunner like uh tablets it's like finding like
old uh like you know some sort of rosetta's stone from like neolithic incels yeah that would be kind of based yeah exactly um like he he went to like think the
equivalent of a ktv in singapore uh and then he was writing how like oh like every every woman
there is exactly engineered to extract all your money they will figure out how much is in your
wallet and they will have all of it by the end of the night.
What if China are the true Israelites?
This guy is just... He's very rare to see a comment from VV that isn't sort of awe-inspiring.
Do you think you could be the real Israelites, Sue?
It's a tough question.
Define Israel.
Define Israel.
It's like define a woman, but even more impossible.
I feel like Jews as chosen people, like, it's a minority within a majority.
I think with China, it's like it's a giga population, so it's like we're all chosen.
population. So it's like, we're all chosen. It's kind of, it's a bit much. But I think there's
It's kind of, it's a bit much.
like individual, like people think China's homogenous. It is completely not homogenous,
right? Like, like, like, Shanghaiese is unintelligible with Mandarin, right? Like,
like, it would be like Native American tribes, basically. It's like thinking Native Americans
are like homogenous. Yeah. They're all redskins um really not homogenous um so yeah that's the one that the
internet racists are gradually starting to figure out that like uh there is a shocking amount of
racial diversity in china uh but they're they're not quite i think uh many of them at least are not quite tuned in on
to the regional specifics and uh what different what the different groups are and how you would
identify them uh and at some point there are going to be i think a large amount of the uh
the internet races that go to china just as like a safari exhibition to see like
okay like what are the skull shapes of these ones okay i'm going to this
like i went to hong kong i went to beijing and it's like these appear to be different people
uh hong kongs have flat foreheads very unusual uh just going out and doing like a recataloging of
all uh of all cultural knowledge because i don't know if it really uh i don't really know if it
exists in the west now actually like even in china it's sort of like hard to come by. Like if you talk to a
Chinese person, they may know like, yeah, this region, this region, this region, but like,
it gets very hard to find one who knows them all.
Maybe it's who's gatekeeping them. I don't know know so just the ones that uh do you think u.s tariffs are
bullish china yes yes i think they're very bullish for china um i think there's a lot of substitution
effects of other countries that will now see china as a closer trading ally like china basically now
create the real wTO, right?
Because America made the WTO
and then they decided they don't like it anymore.
Let's disband this.
So like China can just be more stable and then say,
okay, for the rest of the world,
here are the rules for actual trade.
So that is a big push factor.
And also, historically America has been the
consumer economy and China has been the production economy, but China can easily become the consumer
economy. They can just print money. They can just stimulate. So China has a big opportunity now to
run stimulus playbook and get everyone to sell products into China. And that's kind of a thing
that I think they do want to move toward consumption driven economy as well one because people feel richer because they can just buy a lot of and
then two is like uh they have massive population right so 1.4 billion versus 300 million
is still a much bigger population they're not as rich as americans but the american wealth is is a
lot of his debt base right so here like china can produce debt based wealth also, they just haven't done it yet.
So I think in Europe, yeah, people will switch to Chinese products because if they say, okay,
I don't like American products and Chinese ones are cheaper and better anyways, I'm just
going to switch.
So also, I think like Europe is an interesting one because america always expects europe to go
the way like pro so-called west but there actually is no such thing as a west right
like even if you look at russia why you it's because it's because like france for instance
has had very close ties with russia for like 400 years right and germany has had so close ties with
like on and off ties with russia for like three years you just don't have this idea of like
like a monolithic enemy you know what i mean like it doesn't exist
uh the west though there's no such thing as a west how can the west have fallen if there's
no such thing as a west no such thing as a west like what is a west west of what west of the danube river west west of the equator like just white people west of the
equator west of the horizontal line yeah um i mean i think it is kind of like unspoken it's just like
white people right like the white countries but it's not even definable like it is spain west like i don't know is italy west are italians white like i don't know
it's hard to say are sardinians well the other funny thing is that everyone age-old argument
of like is everyone every yeah like everyone upgrades their uh like online it's like if
somebody is like an arab or like a palestin something, uh, often they will say that they're Italian or Spanish.
Like that's, they're like, it's like, if you're five 11, you can get away with saying that you're
five one or sorry that you're six one. Right. But you cannot get away with saying that you're six,
five. Right. So like a Palestinian may say that they are Italian and then Italian may say that they are like like some sort of Anglo.
But at a certain point, people usually don't try frotting up two tiers of whiteness.
Yes, exactly. Like I think Anglo Saxon Anglo is a legitimate ethnic group, right? Like we can decide here and today that this exists, right? Because there's a
set of norms and customs and ways of like behaving around that. I think when you start to group
like Mediterranean people and Anglos and Nordics, it gets a little bit funky because like Nordics
are completely different people than Mediterranean people. Like they're probably more different than
Asians are. So like, like, yeah, the nordics actually have a lot in common with the asians in terms of like
weird uh weird ways that they metabolize like uh fish oil and stuff like that like there's
a lot of like ways in which they're very alien yeah so and like i also think the problem with
the idea of a west is like you then you have to include mexicans as west very soon if you don't already so um like you're gonna have people 20 years being like yeah the west must never fall
like and then they're singing in spanish like fiva la rosa yeah yeah the west the west just got 10 feet browner.
I don't know.
Like, EU is for sure not the West, in my opinion.
Like, the U.S., yes.
I can, like, the U.S. stock is, like, Germanic, Anglo-Saxon, West.
Okay, I buy that.
I cannot be convinced that most of Europe is Western.
Their customs are also very different. The reason why, take something like France, which has always had very close ties with China, over again, like 400 years.
French hate Anglos more than they hate Chinese, structurally.
If you look about the long terms of history,
that's something that... If you consider the French in the West, now it's like...
It's so different that they fight wars with each other for nonsense.
They kill half their people over nonsense
in their countries. So how can they be part of the same bloc?
So, I don't know.
Yeah, I mean, I think I think the issue is if you consider like France to be
France to be part of the West, then it's like you're sort of exhausted. It's like now the
West must fall, right? Like, study the French GDP.
Like even like Hitler's's expansion through Europe is completely
misexplained by American history. People are like, oh, the Maginot Line, France created the Maginot
Line and then France got invaded and then America had to go free them. This is what they teach in
America in school, right? It's literally not true. The French people were pro-Germany,
It's literally not true. The French people were pro-Germany, as was America, by the way. The American elite were also pro-Hitler at that time. So it was literally an anti-Anglo movement in France to say, we prefer the Germans over the Anglos.
And we will, sure, pay some taxes to the Germans.
We'll pay some trippy.
But we like the German project.
And the German project was a nationalistic project.
It was to say you have autonomy in your countries.
It was like a traditionalist thing.
You have to return to tradition.
There's too much decadence.
And people should be in their countrysides more.
And the main premise of Vichy France
is that you shouldn't have to learn English.
You should just speak French. That was literally the point of vichy france is that you shouldn't have to learn english you should just speak french that was literally the point of vichy france and that there should
be fewer jews obviously like it was basically anti-jews and it was uh like pro your own country
so it's literally same as trump like anti-globalism trump is literally hitler part seven
it was an anti-globalist exactly he was the ultimate anti-globalist. Exactly. He was the ultimate anti-globalist.
So it was very attractive to France.
Like France did not surrender.
It agreed.
It maybe would have gotten killed anyways if it fought,
but it actually agreed.
Like it didn't,
like surrender and agreeing is like a,
is a non-duality, right?
It doesn't sound so bad.
Yeah.
It doesn't sound so bad. It's like,
you know.
That was like a crazy trail because like uh if you were to map that entire discourse out by like
uh internet polemics you wind up like you went the full horseshoe of like uh saying things
that are so libtard coded that it horseshoes around to being like pro hitler uh in the end
around to being like pro-hitler uh in the end
i mean i was sitting there imagining like the average uh like someone who's gotten red-pilled
in the last like six to twelve months like listening to that and imagining the uh
what's supposed to going on in their head if they're listening study brown brothers harrimans
study boston brahmin involvement in the rise of nazi germany
who do you think financed hitler the the country was literally broke how do you get finance how
did you buy these tanks how did you build this stuff who bought i genuinely don't know who
bought his bonds bostonians bought his bonds boston bought his bonds
his bonds boston bought his bonds boston packaged the hitler of war bonds and sold them to america
america financed uh nazi germany it was a great investment too because they literally took over a
bunch of stuff um yeah i always hear the uh like america like uh pro Germany in many ways and then it
like pivoted uh at the Pearl Harbor psyop it was pro Japan yeah it was pro Japan too like
America was not even isolationist it was literally pro that side because it was like you know if
you're America do you care who controls what country at that time like why do you care it's
one tribe versus another it's like caring whether the navajo
are going to beat the cherokees or something it's like they want to bet on the winner basically
um i'm simplifying it for for amusement but um
it's just it's just history it's just history like hillary like france is a really
interesting one because i think that the the differences between individuals like the part
of the eu is to say let's not have wars anymore in europe because we keep like setting ourselves
back a couple years for something to have a war let's stop fighting and let's create the common
identity around something now if it's around christendom around something. Now, if it's around Christendom, there is some power there.
If it's around speaking the same language like in English,
that already pisses everyone off because people don't want to learn English.
So the commonalities basically start and end at Christianity, in my opinion.
But then the practices are already so different.
In the Nordics, no one is Christian anymore.
It's like 75% atheist now in the Nordics.
So, and then in the Mediterranean,
it's very Catholic, it's not Protestant.
So, you know, when you really get down to it,
like I would posit the European countries
are like pretty different, but they are tied together now.
Like it has gotten better over time
with free movement of people,
but it's like a problem, European and American, like i don't know how you can mix those two and say these are like the
same like this is now the west like this is this this is a construct of like a huntington style
uh like white people uh like it's just like it's almost like black people's idea of white people
white people have now adopted black people's idea of white people. White people have now adopted black people's idea of white people.
You know, when black people on Twitter, they'll tweet something like black people,
like white people will say some white phrase.
And it's like a caricature of the idea.
I mean, are Russian white, for instance?
I have no idea.
I mean, like, is Putin white? um so i mean are russians white friends i have no idea i mean
like is putin white
i don't know this is another this is another great uh right wing argument are the slobs white nobody
knows no one knows they're for sure if you melatonin like if you go band for band, they have more whiteness than anyone.
You're telling me tanned Americans?
Trump is more white than Putin?
Come on.
Oh, dude.
Trump is orange.
Actually, wait, does Putin have blue eyes?
Of course he does.
Let's check.
He probably has to, right?
Who has gray eyes
yeah someone described my eyes as gray recently and i was like he's got blue eyes yeah
he's described as blonde hair that can't be true
dark blonde i have dark blonde hair actually short kings short kings i think five eight is
like the height to be if you're uh yeah like yeah if you're if you're gonna be like great
man of history it's like you probably want to be like five eight or somewhere around there reading book criticizing protestant reformation movement also similar to saying hyper schematic
of religion is to blame for all this i don't know what all this is but i tend to agree
but i think criticizing the protestant reformation is kind of nonsensical in the sense that it had to happen, right?
Like the Catholic Church at that time was so corrupt.
And counter-reformation was kind of a joke.
But really it's just like sovereignty also, right?
The people are too different, exactly.
It's a problem.
You had Christendom and Christendom died because everyone wanted to rule.
Like King Henry VIII, he wanted to basically divorce his wife he couldn't do it so he created anglican church church of england wait wait wait wait is that
the lore is it like we must work christianity because i hate this bitch so much well no he
wanted to have an heir he wanted to have an heir. He wanted to have an heir. He wanted to have a son.
So his first wife, Catherine,
couldn't have a son or couldn't
bear children.
So he had to either kill her and then
remarry. He didn't want to kill her because he was
one of the great absolutist kings.
Between letting to kill my
bitch wife.
He's like, I'm not going to kill her. I'm not going to smother her.
I'm going to actually just create the Church of Englandland because at that time you cannot divorce uh in christianity
uh so so essentially uh he was like i'm gonna and then he had four wives uh and then he he he
tried with four different ones and uh he ended up succeeding when the child died anyways and then
ones and uh he ended up succeeding when the child died anyways and then it didn't it was all for not
but that's how the church of england got created um that's so funny you're like you try like you're
like okay can we fork christianity oh that's okay well can we dilute my wife like can i have like
additional wives like you're trying like every market mechanism available to you to escape this bitch.
Like, all of history is bearing the consequences of this one bitch, dude.
Seems to be like every fork of Christianity ends up just being polygamy.
I mean, most forks of Christianity, because Catholicism had this irony to it, which was that it was very puritanical, but at the same time, like the Vatican owned all the brothels in Italy.
Right. Like the they so it had this like duality that was very troublesome.
So that's why eventually it couldn't sustain because it was too problematic.
that that's why eventually it couldn't sustain because it was too problematic um
because the problem is like when you're both the religious leader but then you also
like are the political power then you run all the businesses but then all the businesses
involve lurid businesses and like violent businesses so you end up being like
you're selling them both the bible and also the weapons right and also the sins um so that's why like you had separation
of church and state over time yeah thou shall not do business in the church or whatever
yeah because that used to not be the case it used to be theocracy right like europe
a lot of europe used to be theocracy
i mean wasn't that like a basic tenet of Christianity in the first place?
Like why they branched off from Judaism?
Because they're like doing business in the church and stuff.
I mean, like the money lender thing when like Jesus sweeps with the money lender.
Lucas streaming and streaming during mass again.
Like you eventually just say like, no, we cannot have this.
Lucas, turn off your fucking phone.
Christianity is based.
Yeah, I mean, it is the only thing
that appears to have a sort of giga-lasting potential.
The more that you dilute away hard-linednessa lasting potential uh the more that you like dilute away
like a hard-linedness of some religion the more people are like what is the point of this religion
anyway like you never have a uh what's that what's that church uh whatever all of the like
giga protestant branches that just say like you should love everyone and you go to mass and it's
like everyone is allowed you should love everyone like you just have lower and lower numbers of people going to this church every year
yeah you're the most impressive christians historically i think having the jesuits
and like the like the dominic like the basically like the missionaries of like uh like like like
pre-enlightenment because these guys were like so so the difference between the jesuits and the
dominicans is that the jesuits did not take a vow of poverty uh and they did not also
take a vow of celibacy but they were still like uh priests basically right so like they basically
would be going to countries and they would convert everybody and they would also like learn the local
language and like do business there became the biggest landowner. So Brazil was basically founded by Jesuits.
When the Jesuits went to Vietnam, they translated the local language within four years.
They basically translated the Bible into Vietnamese.
They created a new alphabet for Vietnamese so that they could translate it.
And then they created fuckloads of people.
This is the Jesuits.
So these guys are badass, giga- loads of people. This is the Jesuits. So these guys are like badass,
like giga badass people, right?
But it was because they didn't have to take the vow of celibacy so they could have families.
And they also didn't take the vow of,
they didn't take the vow of poverty either.
So they could be giga rich if they wanted to.
So it was like-
The vow of poverty is crazy.
Yeah, because the Dominican's take vow of poverty.
Then what you end up doing is you just end up banging on the street a lot yeah you become
dominican uh so but but but like both are different like styles but the jesuits for a
moment they were like so the jesuits that went to china like they were so impressive to the
to the emperor that they were like your religion must be pretty much true because of just how
impressive you are to come here and like learn Chinese and like know everything.
Because when the Jesuit,
when the French Jesuits first went to,
the French and Italian Jesuits first went to Beijing,
they were like trying to explain God and Christianity.
And they were like, well, you know,
it's the same as like the Chinese mandate of heaven concept.
Like if the king is good, he has the mandate
and God speaks through him and vice versa.
And then they were like, the king is good he has the mandate and god speaks through him and vice versa and then um
and then they they were like because at that time uh the the emperor of the king dynasty uh kang si who was the best emperor ever of the king dynasty he was the same time as louis the 14th
and they had both almost died at age three and then so the desert immediately was like well you
know the same angel is protecting both of them and then like uh jesuit immediately was like well you know the same angel is protecting
both of them and then like uh he he he did this like painting or something like because they were
just like the narthes of interest like the healing painting uh and then like just convinced the emperor
immediately that this must be true uh so it's pretty insane i saw someone posting that like uh
pretty insane i saw someone posting that like uh what the west needs now is like a return to
nunnery and uh all of the unhappiness of women is caused by the lack of them being nuns and uh
i was wondering what your thoughts on that are because to me that seems intuitively like the
most insane thing that i've seen suggested by the internet in a while i saw clearly like that women
used to voluntarily choose to be nuns i
thought it was more like they couldn't get married yeah like i thought it was like i thought it was
presented as a coke right like i thought it was presented as a like uh you have uh like there's
many other things in society that would traditionally be like more desirable but
now we must convince you that this other thing is like uh better because
those are not necessarily accessible in the same way that like uh often a lot of religions would
push someone if there was like a really like chad guy they would frequently like push him out of
being a priest because they're like no like you should like you should like have a family like
you should go and like have a fuck ton of kids uh i actually have a friend like this who was like he was just dead set on uh priest and uh whatever like training you go through and in the first two
years they wound up saying like listen dude like this is actually retarded like you you should not
like you're not like look look at your peers like you you're not one of these guys, like you should go just do something else.
Yeah. I mean, the Mormons now are kind of like modern day Jesuits, right? Like, cause they're,
they're like giga rich cause they, cause they just like all pull their capital of this church
of Mormon. And then they also have these giant families. Um, and then they're also like hyper
missionary. Um, yeah. Mormons are interesting like mitt romney was american president like that
actually the best for america i think um like my parents were super pro mitt romney like they
win all his rallies um because i feel like he he's like the canonical like if you're if you're
an asian and you and you characterize like what makes america great and like what what what is a great american they would think of a mormon now they'd be like this guy has like eight kids they all play football
or something and then no one's drinking and then they all created these big businesses private
equity you know um they do have a little bit of a retention issue sometimes with like uh when they
go on their missions uh yeah they do and and women women particularly seem to like hard reject mormonism uh after a certain age
i think the lure of feminism is what it is because i think one is they they like think well there
must be more out there and whatever yeah you know social media makes them want things they don't
you know that they wouldn't normally see.
And the whole religion is also just very, like, anti-Foid.
Like, you can't get into heaven unless you're married and stuff like that. So I can see why that would be easy to, like, just push away from when you have this.
It's same for all these things, right?
Like, Hasidic Jews is the same, right?
Whenever there's, like, a Hasidic Jew scandal it's because some guy uh or some girl who wants to leave and then she creates
like a tell-all documentary about how bad it was and she was abused and it's true but it's like
yeah i mean in general it's kind of more rigid societies they they they are not great for like
the like the trailblazer woman right who wants to be
kind of you know free from all i mean this same with all top same with all big religions i think
but yeah i mean especially it's like very divergent with what the social consensus is outside the church yeah exactly there's like that pull away from it yeah yeah but it's like going strong at
least like it's something that's like people people fight a lot but they but they still have really good like overall numbers and metrics
um they seem the mormons i know definitely seem like they're fairly happy like in general yeah
they have like i uh satisfaction in life i agree agree. There's a very
characteristic type of ex-Mormon
that I have built up
after interacting with enough
of them. It does seem that
the criticisms of the Mormon faith
from people who have left it
all appear to be pretty aligned.
It is usually
people who also wind up being pretty aligned with
feminism overall.
No. And yeah, I mean, I think a lot of it also is like a lot of American society now sort of relies on this like promise of like, oh, you're missing out.
Like it relies on the creation of FOMO. Right. Like, I mean, even in college, I had this all the time.
Right. Like the first two years, it was like if I if I went out to a party and I didn't have that much fun there the next night, I might be like, OK, I'm going to stay in.
And then I stay in and I hear my friends say, oh, my God, it was so awesome.
Like, you have to come out tomorrow.
So the next day I go out again and then I realize, like, wait, it's just the same thing.
They're just telling me that it's so awesome while I'm sitting there, like, not really having, like, a ton of fun.
Like, it's not necessarily unfun, but it's like, it's kind of the same thing over and over again.
And then at some point you, like, realize I've the fomo cycle like 50 times right like uh i've had
the people tell me like no it's so awesome we're gonna go clubbing it's gonna be so awesome and
then you do the thing and then you're like wait it's that it's not actually it's just the same
exact thing as every other time we went clubbing uh and i i think women experience this a lot too
with like social stuff like oh my god like this party was amazing or like, oh, my God, like XYZ experiences like I'm living in L.A. now.
It's so much you have to come down here in New York City.
Yeah, like you're missing out on so much.
And it's really hard to reject even if you're literally doing the thing and experiencing it not being fun.
Right.
Like another another way everyone does this is
like with weed they'll have their friends like convince them no bro like you've just never tried
like this specific strain of sativa weed it's like so it's so it's not like other promise bro just
smoke this one yeah yeah yeah and and you're like so it's like okay it's been like two years since
you've tried weed and this guy's saying it's gonna be so awesome and then you smoke it you're like oh
god damn it like it just made me fucking retarded again like and then you remember and for some amount of time
you don't do it again but like uh it's just like this whole effect is carried out throughout society
uh for like years and it probably takes the average person until they're like 30 or 35 to
be able to like consistently reject the idea that like even if their friends or people
they know are saying that this is like so fun and awesome like that doesn't necessarily mean
you're going to enjoy the thing right like that doesn't actually make it enjoyable uh social
consensus is like really really powerful at overriding even like lived experiences though
you think that's just because people have a problem with um even like lived experiences though.
You think that's just because people have a problem with, um,
expressing their opinion about stuff if it's not social consensus?
Well, I mean, it is also like, it's hard to have someone say, uh, you know, like if I were to go out with my friends and it's like a totally mediocre night
and they're telling someone else about the thing.
Yeah. You're actually like, that was terrible. I'm not,'m not yeah it's like you're very disincentivized from
butting in to say well like well actually like i don't know i think the guy's upselling it uh
i think actually last night was kind of gay you know like your friends aren't going to be
super happy with you you probably won't have them for much longer uh but then it's also just like, where do you like, where do you index on for
reality? Right? Like, you see this again, with like travel, like this, this same exact effect
is persistent throughout like every facet of society at this point, like, people will go and
they will travel and like their experience when they traveling is not based on like what they
experienced in the place. It's
based on what they read about the place in like a travel blog or like a Twitter thread, right?
Like study everybody thinking that Lisbon was really cheap when everyone went to Brussels
or not Brussels to Portugal, right? It's just, it's that they read about it being so cheap and
having good foods along XYZ axes before they went there.
And then people like repeated it a bunch.
And now so they leave saying like, oh, my God, it was so cheap when it's like objectively the same price as like Dallas, Texas.
And you have that with like drugs.
You have that with partying.
You have that with like like so much of people's experiences are now dictated by like
what they read about on the internet that like uh it it's just sort of like like does reality
matter at a certain point yeah because even like after you have the lived experience and you
it's like obviously not cheap like your brain almost goes back and fills in the memories uh once you leave
like it just like replaces what doesn't conform yeah like i actually i got into this argument
with so many people because they would they would just randomly when they were there oh my god i
love it it's so cheap and then i would i like i go into like an autist rage where i'm like what
are you talking like and i start pulling up like the prices for local restaurants and like comparing them to like the prices of restaurants in like literally just like random like T2 cities in the US.
Again, like Dallas, Texas or something.
Yeah.
And and so you're saying like list like these literally are the same entree at the same price.
Like it is literally the same exact thing.
exact thing. Hotels are literally the same price. The only thing you can really say that's like
Hotels are literally the same price.
meaningfully cheaper is like if you go to like a fish market and get some, but it's like these
people weren't going to fish markets. I was the only one that knew fish markets were cheaper
because I was the only freak traveling with a George Foreman grill cooking fish out of my hotel
room. Right. So like propane indoors. Yeah. So so so you're just arguing against this weird wall of
non-reality and then and then when you realize that this is actually happening in like most cases
now like you know if somebody has like a thought about like oh my relationship is good or bad or
something it's like largely not mediated by whether it's good or bad it's it's mediated by
like what their friends are telling them or what they think a relationship should be based on the internet. If somebody goes and like
they're part of a religion, their opinion of the religion is more based on like whatever community
they're indexing on for the opinions of that religion. You know, like if you're sufficiently
not autistic enough, you can just immerse yourself in a given body of the population
that will like pull your opinion of reality in a given direction and uh you just live there now
right like you live there in this weird like coke field with them
yeah would you say like women are particularly sensitive to this or
i think women wind up being more sensitive to it because they are more uh sociable in general but
like uh they're also like i think women hit more things where uh the only actual out is to cope
like men have a lot more i think options like, you can you can physically cope,
right? Like if you're like a midget, you can cope by making billions of dollars, right? Like if
you're five foot eight, frequently, you just become a dictator and then rule part of the world as a
cope, right? Women don't really have outlets like that as coping. So like their cope ceiling has to
be like more mental than like making billions of dollars or having 300 wives or something like that.
And I think the main thing that men cope over is like intelligence a lot more.
Like, I think, I think that the average guy is like not supposed to know how actually smart they are.
Because in the end, it actually like, you know, like, when do you give a
guy his like IQ test results and have something good happen? Like, it's almost never like you
have a guy, Oh, my God, I'm so much smarter than I thought, I'm going to go out and be like a more
effective worker in the workplace. It's usually like, it's usually like they Oh, my God, I'm
smart. So I like don't have to work because like, I now self-validated myself, right? Like I have all my validation via the IQ number or something like that.
Or like, oh my God, I'm so dumb.
Like I'm never going to make it.
It's over and I shouldn't even try to do anything because I'm such a big fucking retard.
Both of those are like very dropout-y and not necessarily, like, great for society.
I think that's kind of like...
I think the same thing would happen with women if they have, like,
an objective rating of their attractiveness.
Like, if you tell a woman that she is objectively by all social standards mid,
I think this is one of those things that there's just no social benefit to.
Like, it is going to lead to just accepting a lot of compromises in areas that are going to
ruin her life probably you know i was going to say something but i completely forgot when you
brought up the uh attractiveness thing so i mean would it be like evil to unleash an algorithm or something like an ai model that does
that like an objective rating isn't that already like i think i already saw one of those like kind
of going around i mean i think i think stuff like that is going to happen regardless so i don't know
like uh evil is uh like i think this is just something people are probably gonna have to get
over right uh yeah i mean people are delusional right now but like delusion is like a really
powerful means of uh like happiness and wealth generation right like delusion is actually like
i mean jeff bezos was like outright fucking delusional if you like look at the things that
he was saying uh prior to like getting amazon off the ground uh but i think like by the nature of delusion even
if you have an objective measurement telling you like you're average or you're like on the dumb
side like you're delusional you're not going to listen to that anyways right like if you actually
have well you're able to tap into the gradient like delusion is a gradient right like there's
a certain type of person that isn't delusional enough that they could be fudded out of things
by a seemingly objective metric and there's a type of person person that isn't delusional enough that they could be fudded out of things by a seemingly objective metric. And there's a type of person who's so,
so delusional that like no objective metric will be able to have any impact on them. Right.
So we want to optimize for like max delusion going forward.
It depends. You want to have like max, like a socially beneficial delusion.
There's a lot of like, not socially, like, like when people like get together and say like,
oh my God, like you were so in the right
in that like relationship dispute.
They don't deserve you.
You're so much better than them.
That's almost always like a negative form of delusion.
It's like objectively just led to like a lot of unhappiness.
So like, that's not great. But if you're like,
oh, like, it doesn't matter that like, it doesn't matter that like, there's no company with this valuation, or it doesn't matter that this market is entirely saturated, like Solbra. Solbra is a
great example of this. Everyone could have gone to Solbra and put together like a big PowerPoint
presentation saying
supplements are a very saturated market. These people you're marketing to are world historically
unlikely to buy products online. This entire business venture is ill-advised. If they had
made a good enough case, maybe his delusion wouldn't have been powerful enough to rebuke
that idea and he wouldn't have succeeded as a result. Right.
Hmm. I mean, I'm not sure that there's really any way to separate the two. Like,
I feel like, um, if you're delusional about one thing, you're also likely to be delusional about,
uh, like the relationship example you gave, like, is it even possible to be delusional about uh like the relationship example you gave like is it even
possible to be like grounded like only be delusional in you can definitely you can definitely have like
axes of delusion and axes of grounding that's like a uh i think i think that's a pretty common thing
i've been trying to cultivate like higher and higher levels of delusion.
And you can see that it's definitely like multi-actual.
There is like a sort of broad effect.
If you have like a few axes of just like outlier delusion,
it does like drag the baseline of general delusion you're willing to entertain into things.
And like, I think the other thing is like if you're
delusional enough about a certain thing that you succeed along that axis it that is the experience
that like drags your uh it drags your ticker away from like being indexed on objective reality
because you're like well actually this kind of doesn't matter that much like reality matters
like uh if you're trying to fudge something i guess but like
if you're trying to do something and you really are like super confident you can make it work
there's usually a way yeah i see what you like uh you've already bent reality to your will so
you know yeah again yeah like after you prove to yourself you're a gravity warper you you know
you're a gravity warper you don't really have to like uh so someone gives you advice and it's like ah well this isn't
like advice from a gravity warper so right it doesn't matter disregard yeah but that that is
just like delusion right isn't it that's just more delusion because sometimes yeah that's what
i'm saying like i think once you succeed it does drag your delusion bar generally up.
It explains a lot.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, we know many people like this.
I've experienced the same thing in my life. After you realize that a certain weird thing is replicable, you're like, oh, well, it wasn't a coincidence.
We can just keep doing it
uh yeah i'm just so i guess just disagree with xyz rules
this guy's saying the best people often suffer from imposter syndrome also the worst people
also the worst people there is a thing thing where like if you massive, massive, massively astroturf someone into a position that they do not deserve to be in, they just become absolute dog shit.
You see this often in the workforce.
raise such that they will improve their ability to like respond to work and uh like produce value for
the company is like usually kind of uh debunked to me at least it's like the it's the other way
around right like you're supposed to be giving them a raise because they've already demonstrated
yeah yeah yeah yeah like i can't think of a single time i paid someone more and had them produce more work. I can think of a time where someone has done more work and then
as a consequence, they've been rewarded by either a bonus or a pay raise. And then they have
generally become more aligned with the company because they're now like, oh, when I do things
good, it will actually be rewarded. That right? Like that's a common, that's a common sentiment. Like when people realize that like, you know, like I worked at a company where when I got a
patent, the reward was a $60 company merch store credit and a hat, right? That was like,
not super motivating towards getting patents, I would say it almost would have been better to receive no recognition at
all than to receive that.
Yeah. It's like that.
Sky asking what the general sentiment today is boys.
It's like that meme image where like the Walmart work reward was like one
unpaid day off or something like that.
Yeah. You know what I'm talking about yeah yeah yeah like at a certain level of uh at a certain level of like award quality or award waiting you're just like i don't know bro like
i don't know like i don't know what i'm doing here i don't know if any of this is worth it
i don't know if this makes any fucking sense.
So do you have patents in your name or was it in the company's name?
From different
places, there are some with
the old ticker
floating around, but it was like
sort of
interesting technical
Interesting technical things.
things.
There's a lot of patents, man.
There's a lot of patents.
I think most of them were actually university times.
And they were in fields that it's like,
I would honestly like,
I think the fields are debunked.
Like, I just don't.
Like, green energy, I'm not a huge believer in.
For the most part.
I mean, there are some that are like, you know, it's like, I guess you can classify nuclear powers that.
Geothermal is kind of cool and fun.
Yeah, there's a lot of, yeah.
Geothermal can be really fun.
There's a lot of stuff where they honestly just use like
temperature differentials and if you drive like a rod deep enough down in the earth you're just
always going to have a temperature differential you can use to make a voltage difference
uh stuff like that is kind of based uh obviously they don't hold up as like uh you know if you
just have like clay settling or stuff like that you can bend the pipes and that's sort of an issue but um oh
yeah el salvador did um their bitcoin mining thing off geothermal right because they have a volcano
yeah that's kind of power if you have a volcano you've got lots of uh temperature
differentials floating around but now you're also by a volcano and it's like yeah that's true okay
you're gonna put uh 1.6 billion
dollars of bitcoin miners next to the volcano i'm like i don't know dude i'm like it's like you're
talking to a guy who wasn't even able to buy bitcoin until like 20k at the bottom like i
waited for a 30 30 bounce off the bottom to confirm uh i'm not the guy that's going to be
putting billions of dollars of bitcoin miners by volcanoes
uh someone will but i'm just too much of a pussy i'm not sure like how active it actually is i
actually really have no idea i shouldn't even comment but i wonder how often it actually goes
off because some of them are like active but they just kind of like don't go off anymore
or something yeah nobody knows how
the volcano rating scale works we should do like a deep dive into that to find out like how many
years of not erupting do you have to have before you're considered to be an inactive volcano
what's up feel pain feel pains in chat feel pain is uh key mashing at us here
FieldPane is key-mashing at us here.
The last time I saw FieldPane,
I helped him change the spare tire in his car, actually.
Oh, yeah, I think he told us about that in chat.
Yeah, that was a funny one.
I was trying to balance my phone along the inner wheel
because I didn't have a flashlight.
The one time in my life I don't have a tactical flashlight,
so embarrassing. because I didn't have a flashlight. The one time in my life I don't have a tactical flashlight,
so embarrassing.
It's always what happens when you don't bring it that one time. Dude, flashlights are actually one of the things
that I will devote pocket space to a lot of the time.
They're usually more useful than multi-tools anymore to me.
It's hard to describe like specific instances but like a
specific edc like that you carry or like how do you even it feels like a flashlight would be just
incredibly uncomfortable to carry around i have a specific pair of sweatpants that i just keep
putting on every day in the morning uh so at some point i think flashlight pocket or no i i usually
just put it in the pocket with my multi-tool and
they bang against each other and i get all fucked up dude i have to say i'm like a giga leatherman
leatherman arc multi-tool shill now this is like the greatest fucking i'm like fucking it up
but having having like a pair of pliers you can just open one-handed is so insanely based because
like the only time you ever need
a leatherman multi-tool is when you have one hand only because you're using the other hand to like
hold together whatever thing it is you're trying to like unfuck uh it's like butterfly flyers or
something you can like yeah yeah it's like a weird like uh magnetic thing it has uh it has like a
knife that's like this it's all like one hand accessible like you can open and
close it all without uh needing any weird shit i think it's like 200 and something dollars though
so it's a little more like expensive than uh i think a lot of people want their multi-tools to
be but i just honestly don't even care because it's solved every problem that like i've had with
like i carried my wave for like 10 years and that shit like it's an
awesome thing but like uh fuck me man the amount of times you run into where you're like i literally
cannot use this because i cannot open it with one hand uh it just made me say like this you know
like what is the point of carrying your goofy multi-tool if it doesn't work half the time
i genuinely don't know if i could like carry a multi-tool like pocket space for me
is that already at such a premium because i've got like um like i pocket carry a revolver so that
that's like one entire pocket that's just completely unusable and then like between
new pocket carry bro yeah i i just do standard cop carry like i'm down on like uh i keep my guns on
like ventro blue deal plane of my uh of my leg it's just like i want it on like uh i keep my guns on like ventroblutial plane of my uh of my leg
it's just like i want it to be like more comfortable otherwise i won't do it that's my
problem like uh if it's a pain in the ass i'm not gonna not gonna carry it and when if i'm like
pocket carrying like a j frame or something it's like so easy you don't even think about it you
know yeah no that's you know i'm trying to avoid the situation where I'm not putting on my concealed holster or whatever.
Because it's annoying.
I think when you get back to lifting, there's certain parts of your body when you lift that just become really comfortable and flat to have firearms on.
I think if you lift, you're're really not gonna like whatever the fucking goofy
new carry is where the people just put it in down the front of their pants yeah i hate that that's
like the worst yeah that's just so you put it on the side of your leg or where yeah yeah like i
mean it's just on the side like like on the like like it's like inner waistband on the side uh
okay like that entire like gluteal shelf that's over on the side is like extremely flat.
And then I would just usually carry a Glock, which is also like extremely flat.
So it all just kind of, you know, fits in there.
I generally just like pocket carry, but then I also have like a Glock somewhere accessible.
Like I've got a mount in my car for a Glock.
Yeah, there was a point
where i have like i have the car mount on this side then i have the passenger car mount in case
in case my girlfriend is the only one who can reach for a firearm and then i have and you get
home and then you like you you reach under this like box and you pull this and there's another
glock in case someone breaks in and then behind the picture you have like an ak and then like
you just keep going.
You know, like the whole house is like a cartoonish attempt to hide like 57 guns behind various things.
So you're like, well, what if I'm in the family room and a shooter comes in through this window and I have to make sure that I'm...
And then there's always like that really uncomfortable feeling when you lose a loaded gun somewhere,
and you don't remember where you've put it.
That somehow never happens to me. Really?
I lose guns less than my phone, which is already pretty low losing.
I can remember exactly like, oh yeah, that's under the seat of this car from the time when I went to Sprouts or something.
car from the time when I went to like Sprouts or something.
Yeah, it's never a comfortable feeling when you just all of a sudden realize you have no idea
where a certain gun is. Yeah, that couldn't be fun. Field
Pinnacing driving home with the gimped out wheel took me like an hour and a half.
Yeah, I think it like, they're all, you know, where were you at? You said you're in New York?
Or I think we were in la
i might have been in i don't remember we were at some we were at some pretty fun hotel uh just drinking in the thing uh i think it was like me zero k money feel pain pulled up uh
k money peaced out at some point he's like this lucas guy
He's like, fuck this Lucas guy.
Oh, was that the...
Yeah, yeah.
Never mind.
Yeah.
It's a shame Enzo couldn't make it tonight.
I know, yeah.
I think he's out shooting, actually.
Oh, that's cool.
Night shooting.
Night shooting is really, really fun, man.
I guess you get to use your night vision stuff.
Well, night shooting is just a gigamog if you have blue eyes
because you get a flex on all the brownoids, right?
Because you can see...
It's like you need one lumen of light to see 50 meters,
and then they need a whole flashlight just to be able to see the gun.
Like, oh my god, I'm so powerful.
My cave evolution skills are just mogging the piss out of you right now.
My eyes are more green, I i guess kind of like hazel
but still you probably got like half the benefit or something yeah yeah they're definitely like
lighter lucas carries the same necessary inventory for a survival horror game yeah i mean probably
not true in taiwan in taiwan i carry the necessary inventory for like uh being like a really annoying streamer uh but in the u.s yeah
probably true i mean there's so few places in the u.s that just like feel safe though like that's
the other thing like uh if you've if you've been around like sort of goofy situations uh
definitely not in the cities anyway yeah yeah sue. This is rare. Doesn't usually return
to us. We were in sort of like a free
ball mode. We were just going to like, we were going
to start going into like the incel screed mode,
but now he's back and we'll have to
push that off. You can still go into
incel screed mode. I can just
enjoy it.
No, no. We have a
very accurate indicator. So like watching
your face on the streams, it's almost always if we're doing like, I guarantee there could be some sort of a model trained off of this.
But there's an expression you make where it's like after you've made that expression, within 90 seconds, you will mute and turn off the camera and you will sunset out, right?
And it's only like, it's a very conversational subject base.
Like if Sue likes the conversation, he will be here.
He will be readily inputting.
If he does not, 90 seconds is gone.
To be honest, last couple of days I've had lunch appointments.
That's why I couldn't stay through.
No, no, no.
Like I know that you've been doing that, but it's also like the time at which you choose to leave for your lunch appointment is also telling.
Right. Because if you enjoy the conversation, you will say, oh, I can get ready sooner.
Like I can I can get ready faster.
I can push this.
But we're learning.
The singing is back. the cicada singing
i mean it's just always going on i think this year is a big cicada
year i'm gonna start pronouncing it cicada the chicks are loud tonight, bros. Those chicks are screaming, man.
We're about to start talking about the miracle of engineering design that the combustion engine is
and the way in which it was probably designed by God and given to humans as a technology.
Because there's no other way that it would all work as perfectly as it does wow
all right see you guys just kidding
what does this say what's he saying to us saying ox dumping shit loads
uh uh does he have any comment about that ox nuking like this um
maybe i should address him just in chinese just as like an interlude
you could okay you could no but our audience is english speaking i don't want to i don't
pollute it it's fine it's fine you could respond to him in english also
he won't understand it the kind of guy who writes this doesn't speak english oh okay does sue have any dating advice for incels
does anyone have any dating advice for anyone at this point uh i don't i think
um depends what type of incel.
Depends what type of incel.
There's no generic advice, but just focus on yourself, I guess.
Improve yourself.
Love yourself.
Step one.
Follow your heart.
Believe in yourself.
At the point at which you actually accept that you are unlovable and will never get married
uh god will spawn in a wife um i mean like try to avoid it try to avoid like uh victim mentality
there's a lot of sources now in society that will make it easier for you to call yourself a victim
and in general it's dangerous to do.
Short fault in crypto.
On the crypto part, no need to say you're in crypto.
Definitely never talk about crypto.
Say you're in finance.
Hair transplants are also getting quite cheap.
Hair transplants are so cheap.
It's actually insane.
They've gotten so cheap that I almost no longer care about it because it's
like uh ah whatever i can just fix it with like 5k whenever i need to right like um i mean it's
short you can do leg lengthening services in thailand that's honestly like more scary though
like they like uh like saw your shin bone in half and then insert like a spreader is it more than 855 though
yes to me yeah i don't know no because at a certain point it's easier for me to say it like
i'm above six foot i don't know okay maybe it's hard to be empathetic no no no here's here's the
problem like if you're short enough that you actually are considering this like leg lengthening
surgery it means you're probably like uh below five six by like a decent amount right i think
plus tv yeah because i think you can only go up like three inches max as well and then uh
if you do the max like your your bottom segment of your leg is going to be like
weirdly longer than your you know i saw i saw a guy who did it he was already six
one and he did it to get to six four4". That's really – that's, like, an insane mental illness.
Yeah, that is.
I don't even know.
Like, I think that – I think, like, right around 6'2",
is actually where it starts, like, falling off,
and it starts becoming more of, like, an inconvenience.
Like, especially above 6'4", anyways.
You can't sit in an economy class seat comfortably anymore.
Yeah, you have to get, like, special clothes made for you.
Like, you, like, can't fit in certain areas.
I don't know.
Yeah, it probably pushes, like, the taper of all your pants off also.
I mean, maybe we're just coping because we're too scared to get it.
But, like, my thought would generally be that, like, if you are short enough that you're, like, seriously thinking you need this,
you're better off developing, like if you are short enough that you're like seriously thinking you need this you're better off developing like a goofy short joker game like you're you're better
off developing like the dwarf game with women right because that actually doesn't think i kind
of think if you do the leg lengthening now you don't tell people it's the equivalent of like
if you're like a like a girl you got like like a nose job back when guys didn't realize how much
girls get nose
jobs and like botox and stuff it's like you you genetics for outing you can do the genetics
fraud yeah because i because i do think if you go from like let's say five five five six to like
five nine five ten it like does improve your range a lot because i think that's true a lot
of people have a hang up over like if they date someone shorter than them whereas if you get back to like closer to five ten six feet
like almost no one is taller than you so you you do expand the and then also like nobody does
sports anyways like they say oh you can't like play jump back you can't play like aggressive
aggressive basketball it's like the guy was not playing basketball anyways the guy's playing like
basketball it's like the guy was not playing basketball anyways the guy's playing like
the guy's playing like bowling at most it is one of those things that would still fuck me up though
like uh even if i was someone who plays zero sports when you tell me that i can't do something
i'm like oh god damn it like fuck like i mean the whole thing also just like doesn't seem very
stable to me like they literally cut your shin bone in half and then like reattach
it with like a metal disc or something i mean this is also surgery sketchy also jaw surgery
like if you're looking at like laforte uh laforte surgeries are basically cutting off your uh they're
cutting off your entire like maxilla and just advancing it dude yeah i don't think i would i
wouldn't do that either like no way that's crazy crazy. Your maxilla is fine, King, but this is just for people who are less fortunate.
Here's the thing.
This will only get better over time, this surgery.
I think the good thing is that a lot of people have to get these because they have actual disorders.
One leg is taller than the other, so they literally have to do this that's almost everyone by the way almost everyone has
some like leg length asymmetry or like if you were to measure everyone's feet almost everyone has
some minor asymmetry there yeah so so so the tech behind it is sound like it's not like they made
up this tech just for like for instance breast implants arguably are like it's a made-up
technology to have like to input something into your breast.
Whereas to lengthen a leg actually is a tech that is required for actual defects.
Right.
Yeah.
But it's like super invasive, right?
Like they don't just do that unless it's causing problems.
I don't know.
No, true.
No, true.
But I'm saying like science wise, like they, they had to come up with it
independent of like cosmetic. It's not a cosmetic procedure.
Yeah. I mean, the, the argument that there always is some consumer base of people who
must have this surgery because of natural defects. And so it must advance, uh, in a way that actually
like, I mean, that's always like the nice thing when a
surgery is bounded by reality right like there's some functional if someone is chasing a functional
benefit now it's like aligned with like a healthy set of uh ways in which the surgery can like
increase in proliferation whereas like breast implants are historically like uh not aligned
with any sort of increase in like health right like they're actually
going to be i thought you're gonna say like not they don't have a functional benefit which is
like obviously wrong well i mean in terms of if you think of the function of a breast as like
breastfeeding a child then they actually are like functionally detrimental right
like well yes but that's not like um that's not the function i'm thinking of here you know
yeah so yeah height lengthening institute in burbank california uh he says they have people
coming in who are 65 years old to do the procedure that's crazy wow like you still
haven't gotten over it after 65 years?
I mean, at a certain point, you're probably just bored, right?
Like, boomers go out on, like, cat tours.
Yeah, like, I'm not doing anything else anyway.
I might as well be taller.
Yeah, I think the older you get, the more you should do it.
Like, when you're in high school, maybe you're playing some sports still.
I don't think the average American plays any sports over 35 right like that's probably true
unless they're like professional athletes yeah i mean like the people that i play tennis with are
all like they're all college athletes like then then after a certain age it's like in theory
tennis is a good old person sport but like uh there's a big gap of players between like 25 and like 65. Yeah.
He says most of the cases are still like discrepancy on like length for like actual patients.
And then a small share are,
he calls it short stature dysphoria.
Short stature dysphoria.
I have a,
I have gender dysphoria for my height.
Like I was,
I am,
I am the world's tallest man born into the body of a midget
please please help me that's just like uh just like use the same argument like uh
like you're just delusional we shouldn't be like fixing these people by actually lengthening their
legs like they just need to accept that they're a short king so the thing is you really can't tell that someone has done it either
let me this is from nbc what's the max height gain out of curiosity so i think this according
to this article is about three inches but you can go more you can go to like four or five
it reminds me of this um tweet i think it was grug said it like a few weeks ago it's like
there's nothing more painful than an extremely beautiful,
beautiful girl.
That's just taller than you.
Like,
like makes you like hyper aware of your posture or something like that.
I was like,
I've just never like,
dude,
I think I'm,
I'm fully in the delusional,
about my height category now.
Like,
there was a time where I was like hanging out with a bunch of,
Twitter guys and they were all from Europe.
And usually when you're hanging out with Twitter guys, they're from the US. And so
it's like the average height is like five, eight. And you're like, Oh my God, I'm like, I'm, I'm a
giant among these people. But then the European guys come down and thought I was like the same
fucking height as all of them for the entire time we were hanging out. And then people are showing
me pictures afterwards. And I'm like, Oh my God, Like, I'm like a midget getting mogged by all these 65 Europeans.
Like, but I just had no idea at the time.
And, like, it's the same thing, like, with girls.
Like, I think I could see a girl who's, like, 10 feet taller than me.
And I would be like, I'm probably, like, I could probably take her.
Like, it's probably take her.
Yeah, like.
Domestic violence is still on the table yeah
there's always a way you know they don't have to be mogged in the y-axis it can be in the x-axis
or some other axis i i do think it's like um probably more prominent when like the taller
you are like the more rare it is to see a girl that's actually taller than you so um
yeah maybe just makes it a little bit more jarring.
I've never, I've never like, uh, I don't know the guys who are like blockaded out of going for guys that are taller than them are usually the guys who end up giving themselves like
some sort of like insecurity about their height.
Uh, like there was this really, really short guy I knew in college.
I think he was like literally five to, he was just always doing this super fucking goofy shit to hit on women, like always finding some way to like stand on something that would
make him taller than them or like, you know, like jumping on a table or just goofy, goofy
fucking antics. And he pulled a fuckton. Like he got tons of girls. He would like target the
volleyball team. And now he's like a salesman or something but like i think
that's like the uh that's the mentality necessary if you're really short you cannot just be like oh
fuck like 98 of the population will reject me because i am i am shorter than them or something
like that like you just have to you have to go delusion mode and say like none of this matters
like any fish is big enough to catch with
my net right true oh my no this is this is almost uh never a good idea yeah i'm gonna definitely
vote no on this one dude there's also like the idea that you're gonna date like a fatter girl
and then you're gonna make her lose weight and's going to like reward you by uh but like the market is efficient like if you she'll just dump you yeah she's like
a lot much harder than you and she loses the weight like that girl that just got the nose
job and then divorced her husband like three weeks later that's going around it's like the
same thing the market is fairly efficient now it's the same thing with like importing a foreign wife like oh like i'm gonna find the beautiful
ukrainian girl and take her back to the u.s it's like okay good luck man like just enjoy them while
you're in ukraine don't yeah like don't try to take them back here yes yeah like it's like
something that works in ukraine will not work in the u.s uh It's a very bad idea. You can go the other way.
Like if you get a girl in like a much more difficult dating environment and then take her to an easier one, that can work just fine.
But now the problem is that you might you might instead cheat her or dump on her or dump her or cheat on her.
Being a 6'5 girl is probably worse than being a short guy i don't know man that's definitely
not true i mean well i mean i think in all cases being a girl is worse than being a guy
like being a girl is always worse than being a guy in all cases that's a that's an interesting
argument yeah that is true i mean it's like the main the main downside of being a girl is that there's a lower ceiling but
if you're six foot five who cares about ceilings right you've broken right through them yeah i
mean i tend to agree if you're given a choice you should you should be a guy but given you have to
be a girl i'd rather be a giga tall girl yeah because i feel like i feel like the world is
more interesting that way well also like people, like, people who are just taking you more seriously.
Like, your life is just so basic.
Like, even as a girl, you are taken much more seriously if you're taller.
Like, when you see, like, a 4'9 girl, people are just like, this is, like, this is not a serious person.
Like, this is, like, a little dwarf midget thing, right?
Like, oh, like, I'm such a small girl. Such a small such a small being you hear that from the girl and you're like no i can't be higher than
basketball players because there are a lot of basketball players that want to have tall kids
because they don't want their kids to be midgets who can't get in the nba so just play basketball
do you guys think there will be a new dating paradigm shift?
Yes.
It's either that or it's already dies.
Right.
So I vote yes.
A shift to what?
That's the thing.
He didn't clarify.
So it's really easy for me to just say yes.
It's one of,
it's one of the lowest stakes answers I've ever given in my entire life.
It's just like, do you think that the dating market will continue to be awful for so long that everyone
will go extinct and die probably not i think there's some point like you know people are
saying like oh well if the korean tfr continues being this high then like in three generations
there will only be seven koreans and it's like uh i i just don't i think there's a little bit of a
like a damper built into the system like when things get bad enough i think something changes
right like i don't know i mean it can just be like in one generation the type of people who have kids
their kids will want to have kids because they've seen that modeled i think yeah which saw like bad marriages or bad parenting modeled and
then so they're like i don't want to bring life into this world so then that's like a natural
correcting self-correcting thing yeah i mean i'm just pretty sure that almost everything in the
world is like sort of a self-correcting system or else the world wouldn't still exist uh so the idea that like a species is going to
go extinct just because they all are like i've we've transcended mating right like we no longer
need to reproduce like it just seems quite silly to me uh especially with humans right like it's
like has this ever happened before like with other species? I think usually when species die, they just get like raped.
Like they just get like hyper predated or like they blow themselves up or something.
Like I really don't think maybe there are examples of people who just like laid down and said, OK, no more mating for me.
But I don't I don't really think so.
Are there incels like in the animal kingdom? I think there are. I think there really think so. Are there incels in the animal kingdom?
I think there are.
Wasn't it like pandas have trouble mating now
because the
environment has changed so much
that they don't really know how to mate
and so they have to get them to do it.
Yeah.
Pandas are also just uniquely stupid.
They're very stupid animals.
Maybe they just literally got too dumb
to mate
it's crazy i was gonna say i was there are examples of things where like they have to be like uh
artificially inseminated and stuff like that uh but it's usually when you're like factory farming
something or like you have you have fed it something that has so giga raped their hormone
levels that they're like producing three sperm there's a lot of cases like that like there's a lot of cases of animals that can't really like
reproduce normally because like when you take something that normally ate like grass and then
you feed it only like soybeans uh there's not that much sperms when it comes holy cow dude i think we
just maybe solved the fertility problem well i mean you can solve
that you can diagnose the fertility problem but like uh what what how do you use it was the seed
oils the seed oils this whole time no it's not the seed oils it's not the fucking seed oil just
basically everything i'm i'm like a pro seed oil i'm not pro seed oil but like it's like okay the
shit's obviously bad you shouldn't be eating it.
But like, you cannot look at Japan and say that seed oil is the cause of everything going on in America, right?
Like the Japanese fry everything.
They fry fucking everything they can get their hands on.
It's like a carnival over there.
So like how bad can seed oils truly be?
Yeah, that's true.
They're generally like pretty healthy right the average japanese person lives
to be like 290 years old so like so i guess the other angle here is if it's not like the seed oils
or like the diet or whatever like you said that some animals when they're like in captivity or
like are being farmed also yeah yeah there's a bunch of things i mean it's it's literally just
everything also like every single medicine that anyone takes right they all lower tea levels
like every drug like amphetamines lower tea levels marijuana lowers tea levels like motrin
lowers tea levels heroin lowers tea levels like uh how does that how is that how does that track
with like cigarettes razor tea isn't that a drug
uh yeah nicotine is one of the rare ones that actually does up them uh but like there there's
literally like two or three of these right it's like you have like uh i'm honestly just making
way for ways in which i might not know of them, but like obviously injecting testosterone increases your T levels.
Yeah.
There's various like LH, FSH, stuff like that.
That's like a testosterone signaler that can be used to like boost stuff.
I guess I'm more thinking like natural stuff rather than like, because I know obviously
like natural stuff rather than like because i know obviously there's all you there's stuff like that
there's stuff like that.
like if you zero your estrogen signaler as well then like your testosterone will go up
yeah like flomaphine and stuff so hmm i mean the other thing is that i think cigarettes raising
tea levels gets into like sort of a dubious territory. So it's like bro science?
Well, no, it's like there's a distinction to be made between like free testosterone levels and serum levels and all of these other things and how they interact with like DHT.
It does something where it like rebalances the ratio of T to free T to DHT.
I don't remember what it does specifically, but I remember looking at it and saying, this is not an objectively better hormonal profile
that it induces. It is different, but it's not necessarily like you couldn't say that,
oh, this is just going to be like healthier or something like that.
So we can't say smoking cigarettes is healthy.
You can say it. Honestly, it's probably good to say it at this point just
because i think the u.s has been so anti-smoking that like polemically you should be pushing back
against it uh yeah to some degree but you probably shouldn't be like pushing back against it so hard
that you like uh become a pack a day smoker type guy you should just post on the internet about how
it's it's not as bad as the government says, and then hope that nobody gets a
cigarette addiction and develops lung cancer as a result of you doing this. I mean, that's their
choice, right? I can't control what they're going to do. You could. I mean, everything pulls
something some way, right? Like, at some point of having like like, an online following, you can say, like, well, it's their choice. They did it, right? But you realize that the average retard does actually, like, ascribe a given degree of authority to someone who has, like, 10K plus followers. And, like, if you say the thing, they actually do just do it. Like, the libertarian worldview does not account for people
who are just mentally retarded right yeah that's very true it very much like assumes like a high
level of intelligence among everybody it assumes they basically kind of their own idea onto everyone
else and they're confused why a system composed of entirely people who they see as just themselves but cloned
has reproduced and arranged in such a way that is confusing to them.
Libertarianism is just kind of annoying in that it's like...
It seems like it always be the first thing you jump to when you move away from liberalism, I guess.
jump to when you like move away from liberalism i guess basically whenever you move away from
anything that is an established uh thing within like the u.s political system your first leap
is frequently to libertarianism right it's not even moving away from liberal like there's actually
like uh liberals who like they go uh from libertarianism to liberalism from like they've gone conservative to liberalism.
Sorry, conservative to libertarian and then to liberal.
They also sometimes go conservative, libertarian and then fascism.
That one's that one's very common because like when you are like a pro libertarian person, you very quickly realize that like all of the flaws of libertarianism are like.
Things that fascism would theoretically correct. Right. You're like, wow, what if
everyone had unlimited autonomy? And then you see like, wait, if you give everyone unlimited
autonomy, they basically just like, uh, smoke weed forever and do nothing. Like, okay, we need,
what if we took everyone's autonomy away right like
what if there was no autonomy
what you really need is just like autonomy but for a select few that's pretty much like the
maybe like uh landowners who have proven themselves responsible enough to the country by like...
See, I think like rather than landowner, I think you got to do like net taxpayer.
Because that's more meaningful to me, I think.
Like that means you've created value.
That one is good.
Wait, did I crack this fucker?
Landowner could be like gamed too easily right
like uh somebody could just like split up a plot of land into like a million
pieces and sell each piece for like 50 or something
yeah landowner can be gamed but it's also also like you're investing in the country in some capacity, right?
But isn't that the same thing as-
There's a lot of ways in which you can be a net taxpayer and still be like very transient.
But the taxes paid are an investment in the country.
Like it goes directly to the government.
Like in a situation like right now where the government is broken.
I haven't really thought this went through that much.
Okay.
I just completely talked over you.
I didn't hear what you said.
Oh, sorry.
I said I'm just trying to juice my house prices here.
I haven't really thought over this too much.
Are you looking?
Are you still holding a bunch of houses, bro?
You know, I'm still holding a bunch of houses.
That's such like a depressing way to put it.
The answer is yes.
R.I.P.
No, I think it'll be.
I honestly, I'm not terribly bearish real estate.
It's fine.
I don't know why you don't like more than one, though.
Personally, I just feel like I want one.
I have no desire to buy second houses or anything.
Well, maybe like...
I have been thinking about getting a place somewhere that I can leave to for the winter.
Because I really hate winters here.
I'm getting so sick of the snow.
Yeah, there's a period where snow is and uh like it's an idyllic thing
you're like oh my god like it's so beautiful the white winters and stuff and then there's a point
where like the frost heave starts like elevating or uh depressing roads by like 18 inches while
you're trying to drive in uh and you see like you know like people's pipes are bursting and it gets so
cold that like uh leaving becomes like actually like a 15 minute preparatory ordeal and after
like years and years of this like after like 20 uh years of dealing with this stuff you are like
sort of inclined when you go to a warm place and live there for a while to be like you know
uh it could be it could be easier.
Certainly. Right. I'm like, I want to just migrate for the winter now. Like I'm going to be a bird.
I definitely understand the meme about like cold weather breeding higher IQ though, because it's
like, you are literally like, okay, like this shit sucks so fucking bad. Uh, if I don't find a
way to like make this work, uh could die yeah yeah and it's like
not like i will die from the cold necessarily now but it's like yeah i will die of like suicide
yeah i mean we don't really have um
i'm not really sure why but the pipes bursting thing is not really that much of an issue here
i think because we actually build the pipes in mind for the cold temperatures, whereas,
like, if you get cold temperatures in places that aren't prepared for it, like, they build it to a
completely different code, but... Well, there also are a lot of, like, there's a lot of, like,
you know, if you're building stuff relatively new, it was a lot easier to insulate this stuff, right?
You have a lot of plastics and whatnot, fiberglass.
Yeah.
Things were less common.
It was less common to have a fully insulated water main.
I definitely rarely get the winter wonderland sparkly eyes.
Like, oh, it's snowing.
Unless it's like a... It stilling unless it's like a i still
it still happens if it's like it snows a foot or something yeah i mean it's still very fun but
there's like a given band where it's like uh you know like when you start getting down to like
negative 20 uh plus degrees then uh that doesn't really happen here that much that's that's extremely rare probably the lowest we get is into like the low
maybe like negative like high single digit negatives is like the most that we generally get
i mean when i was in alaska it was like uh you literally need a block heater on your car for
like 30 minutes before that bitch is warm enough to like ignite. Uh, and so like everything,
like everything in your life now becomes, uh,
like focused around like, how do I even function?
Like things, things that you wouldn't think are a problem become a problem.
Like, uh, you don't get mail delivered regularly.
Like it doesn't come to your house every day. It comes every week. Right.
you do not have a grocery store in Alaska within like a four hour drive.
So you have to like make plans like outings.
I was just a couple months.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean,
that's like a completely different ball game.
That's like,
also if you start getting up like more North in the U S like,
um, I don't know, like Montana or the Great Lakes, they get really fucked winters.
But it's not like – it's actually really not that bad here.
It's actually kind of comical because it used to be a lot worse.
And now, like, I think last year it only snowed like twice or something.
This year it's been a little more snowy, but it's definitely like getting warmer here.
So probably I can just wait, but it does.
I just do like the idea of like flying away when it starts getting cold.
It is sort of super based to live somewhere where it's like you actually need like a system to live there.
actually need like a system to live there like you can't just like go and buy a house and like
Like you can't just like go and buy a house and like not think about it.
not think about it like you know like alaska example is like even more bizarre because then
you also will just have like bears that sometimes block the road it's like you have like a bus stop
in front of you and you're like why is this fucking bus stopping and then you're like oh it's a bear
uh you have like mosquitoes that are just like 10 times oversized uh you have like sometimes your
days will just be like four hours long sometimes your nights will
just be four hours long like the entire thing is like uh because it's so close to the earth's axis
that like it experiences these massive fluctuations in like daylight hours and like even when it's day
it's like have like permanent night or whatever in permanent day is there a period like
or is it there's some parts where it gets close to that like uh in the arctic circle it's
like uh there's some places where you're just like uh your circadian rhythm is just so so
fucking giga raped i don't know how uh but it's like it's a very interesting challenge like there's
a lot of like those sort of like white backpacker guys who like they're like i want to just like
test my shit like going to alaska and just like living there and like hunting off of stuff also because there's there's much fewer uh animals per capita but they're like
uh they're much bigger right then you have like the tundra marshes where uh it's just like there's
like there's really nothing there's a lot of these bogs where there's uh like a lot of the wildlife
just falls in and it cannot get out and it just dies in there and composes into like peat moss or just gets like preserved sometimes like there's some weird uh preservation effect where like a
deer can fall into these bogs and like uh you just pull out like a a fresh deer like i mean isn't
that just the preservation effect is just it's frozen right or is there something it's not quite
frozen like it's just it's like uh it's close enough right? Or is there something else? It's not quite frozen. Like it's just, it's like, uh, it's close enough though. And there's
a lot of stuff that isn't like necessarily, uh, you know, like biological processes are not
carrying out, being carried out at a super high rate. If you don't get like enough sun for like
algae or bacteria or stuff to break stuff down, it just happens slower. Uh, I don't know. I wasn't
there long enough to get like fully familiarized with the whole meme of it all, uh the whole place is interesting like there's a lot of towns that are entirely owned
by like one company you ask like everyone in the town like what do you do they're like oh i work at
the company uh it's like what do you do and it's like well i'm a bartender but i'm also like a
forklift operator and i weld uh yeah you know i'm actually very surprised to hear you say that
there's like big mosquitoes in alaska how does
like how do they even survive up there that's like some kind of freak like they're the mosquitoes
the mosquitoes are actually horrible this is another one of those things that you have to
genuinely develop like a uh like some sort of like a mitigation strategy like your entire house has
to be built such that like mosquitoes don't ruin your life because we like don't really have
we do have mosquitoes here but like they're not that much of a problem because the cold kills them
off every year i think or at least i always assumed that was the case but now that's like
making me question that uh that premise there will be like because there's like a lot of like
water just floating around uh yeah yeah so you have like those huge bombs but there's like tons of
mosquito breeding grounds but then there's also like the humans cluster in alaska like there's
not like a smattered human population so like when there's mosquitoes there's a lot of them
because there's a lot of shit to eat i've never been to alaska
seems seems like a like an interesting place to go yeah you might want to go like uh it would be kind of
a fun place to just spend like a few months or something yeah yeah i want to leave here because
of the cold and snow so i'll just go to alaska and it's probably a good change of pace
yeah well i mean yeah that's probably a bad arm to hit.
That's probably not the best.
But I don't know.
It's just weird.
In the same way that Japan is weird and novel and stuff,
Alaska is also weird and novel.
It's rare that you find places on Earth that are so different now.
Because even cities are all becoming sort of similar, right? Like there was a period where
like Chicago, New York city, LA, like they're all highly differentiated places. Like you go to Paris,
it's like totally different. Uh, but now it's like all cities are sort of converging upon the
same things. They're all deciding like, this is what we want the city experience to be. If there's
something that's good, it gets exported from one of these places to the rest of these places uh yeah and you you just don't usually
experience a place where you go and you're like oh this is unlike any other place that i've gone
right yeah that's that makes sense i guess probably they don't have a lot of the uh
I guess probably they don't have a lot of the immigrant problem up there either.
No, I mean, that's the other thing.
It's quite inhospitable.
You're just like a racist, bro.
Yeah.
Like Alaska is like the real white ethnostate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Like any place where you go where it's just like inhospitable enough, you almost only find like some form of either like highly evolved tribe that lives there and then white travelers.
Interesting.
The mosquito nets were insane.
You need dual pressure gated mosquito nets
getting in and out of stuff when it's like skeeter season up there.
You're walking between any and also like.
That sounds horrifying, man.
Like everybody just uses 100%.
Everyone just uses 100% deep bug spray.
They're like, you know, like none of this fucking natural shit is going to work.
None of this.
Like there's no way that you can use the natural cope products up here you need like industrial like uh gives you cancer instantly but like at least the mosquitoes will keep away
type shit because yeah i'm very much the mosquito bite i don't know what it was but like every
mosquito bite that i got up there would swell up to the size of like a bee sting and then you get
like it's like every day you're just guaranteed to get like 75 like there's just no way around it uh like even with all this is making me never want to visit alaska by the way
but uh yeah i'm like i'm very pro deet bug spray like if you need bug spray you're not gonna get
like you just go for the deet like it's worth the cancer it really is in the midwest uh that like
weird stuff that's like vanilla and like lemon oil and stuff like that, like that actually does work in certain Midwest populations.
Those like weird little black gnats that really fucking sting, they'll still get you.
But there's only like a two month period out of the year where those are an issue.
And they usually are only an issue around certain types of grass or bush.
So you can just kind of, like, avoid them.
But those are also, like, devious bastards, because they're small enough to fucking get in through, like, window screens.
I should do, like, an ecological guide to how to not get raped by bugs in every state of the U.S.
Oh, he's gone. it's just me yeah i'm back i'm back nice okay i was just adjusting scared and lonely
scared and lonely i'm pretty sure you could just like monologue forever and it'd be fine
i don't know if i'm a monologue mode today. I keep thinking about, I'm thinking about these questions for like the slop quizzes to like,
get a bunch of personality data.
So I've been planning a bunch of those.
I do honestly.
This is going to cause the dating paradigm shift.
The slop bed.
It's going to be us.
We're going to do.
We do need it.
Like we do need something other than like ingloriously swiping because
people just don't like this.
It's a good idea.
I've actually explored doing something like this before, like an app.
Everyone has this idea, right?
Like basically everyone on Twitter, if you're exposed to dating discourse, if you live in America for any period, you're just like, you know, regardless of what your own personal circumstances are, you can be in the happiest marriage of all time with like seven kids,
but it's impossible at this point to not notice that like every single Zoomer appears to be
trapped in some sort of hellscape with regards to the dating environment and think like,
surely there's a solution here, right? Like something must be better than what is currently
going on. I mean, we were talking before. i mean like uh ai's gotten a lot better though so maybe it makes it more feasible now
yeah of course everyone else has had the idea but i think it's just very clear at this point
that like i mean if if you use tinder uh the idea of even like like the average person i think has
an idea of what like an average tinder date goes, right? Like they're like, this is, you know, I'm not gonna.
I mean, I think in college, like the best Tinder date that I ever had was this one where I went out with this girl.
We went out, we went to some Italian place.
We got a dinner, we talked some.
And then I think both of us just realized it was like such a mediocre, like low compatibility thing.
Neither of us ever messaged each other afterwards to talk ever again.
Like I felt no compulsion to message her.
I'm pretty sure she felt no compulsion to message me.
That was just it.
Like we left the restaurant and it wasn't even like, oh, do you want to go for a walk?
It was like literally we just left and we said, OK, that was nice.
And we just went home.
Right.
And like I think of that as being like the best Tinder date that I had because that was
the best one because it was the one where like both of us just mutually agreed.
Like we're not going to get married.
There's no point wasting further time on this.
Right.
Every other Tinder date I had was worse, even if it seemed better at the time, because it
was a waste of time.
Yeah, the waste of time thing really gets you.
Yeah, like I wound up I wound up not marrying them. Right.
Like, it's like my current girlfriend is not like met from Tinder.
So like all of the other ones must have been like a waste of time.
There's no other way to classify.
I do have friends that have found have gotten married from Tinder, though.
Like, I do think I do think gotten married from Tinder, though.
I do think it's not terribly uncommon. It really happens to some degree.
But I think it's also one of those things where the people look at it and think,
this is such a horrifying numbers game.
I'm going to have to do this.
How many retarded bullshit dates am I going to have to have before this works out?
this works out. Like there must be a better assortative mating system than Tinder. And like
There must be a better assortative mating system than Tinder.
I think an AI dating app that just says like, okay, based on like, based on us violating all
of your personal security measures and combing through all of your personal information,
collating all available data about you, we've constructed a highly accurate model of who you
are. These are the 10 people that you are a personality match with within like 1000 miles. So would it be like, how are you going to make
money though is the problem? That's why Tinder is so broken is because they have to monetize it.
Well, Tinder monetizes off of the idea, you're basically going to pay to play and pay to win, and pay to win is just getting laid, right?
So it effectively functions as, like, a soft prostitution system for guys where the idea is that you basically just get, like, delivery order pussy at a certain point.
And this is also, I think, why, like, you don't see co-ed groups around universities a lot anymore right because like guys want from girls sex and girls want from guys like oh i can say i have a boyfriend look at this
nice thing he did and i can post it on my instagram right and so like tinder now like enables people
to do both of these things without like really interacting with each other uh so it's crushed
like co-ed hangouts uh but like any sort of successful dating app must necessarily result in marriage, right?
So now you can just say, well, if you have all their personal data.
Not sure, I agree.
Like that's one definition of success, I guess.
But sorry, I mean like socially successful.
Like, but the idea is that if you're going to suggest people, partners that are like highly compatible matches or pairs, and you have all their personal data, you can now just say,
like, okay, well, I know this about you, like Valentine's Day is coming up. Here's a list of
gift suggestions off our affiliate links, right? Like, you can literally like run their relationship
for them, like autopilot. Yes yes you can actually like preemptively
diagnose every single problem that the people will have in a relationship or say like oh this
person is worried that you're not giving them enough attention or oh they're worried that you're
like uh like thinking about this other person like you could actually preempt every single
common relationship failure mode and uh while also serving them like lifestyle product suggestions
off of your infinite affiliate links you don't even need to fucking partner with the companies.
You can just have like massive Amazon affiliate links or something.
And like, you know, whatever, you make like 1% on all of this shit.
But at some point, if like all relationship purchases in the US are routed through your app, you probably make revenue, right?
app you probably make revenue right uh yes but at one point is this just like um
you're just dating the ai instead of the other person uh like if it's actually like directing
i'm really i'm really bearish on people when given the selection between dating uh dating a person
and dating an AI on them choosing
the AI. I'm just really super fucking hyper bad like because in the case where it's like you're
super lonely and you just want someone outright like maybe you you then start like Gunnar messaging
the AI or for girls they frequently just like treat the AI as like a stand-in boyfriend or something like that, right? But with guys, it's like you can't – you just can't fuck the AI.
And you can talk about, oh, the sex robot, like, okay,
but it's like there's now like an actual person, right?
Like there's just no guy that's going to say like, yeah,
I want to fuck the sex bot over like having sex with my girlfriend,
I don't think.
I mean also just like general prostitution still exists so uh yeah that's probably still always going to win out over a
sex robot well isn't tinder's goal to keep people on the app for as long as possible again yes this
is like it's the same thing with facebook where it's like a total missing like a misalignment of
incentives where like Facebook is most successful
if they trap you in Gooners scrolling
for the rest of your life, right?
Like you need some way to monetize
that doesn't just involve them scrolling forever
and viewing advertisements.
Like there actually needs to be an alternative form
of revenue generation
because like otherwise you're like actually-
So would you like charge for this
you'd like uh would it be like a charge initially for to join or something or i don't know like i
don't understand the model would work but i i think like some sort of an ai thing that says
based on your personality typing these are the likely problems you're going to encounter and
then like gives you little pop-ups it says like oh you're doing this or like you're doing this uh or like based on like what it's like listening to you all
the time through your phone or yeah yeah like it would have to straight up be like an ai agent that
tells you how to not be a loser uh and that would actually just be a good product on its own i think
yeah that would probably be fine i do think that uh i, in any successful implementation of this app, it basically has to be able to say, like, you know, like, you could date right now.
You could go into the dating market right now.
And these are going to be the type of people that you match with, right?
If you're not, like, going to be happy with these people, then you have to get better in one of these axes right like you have to improve something because currently like these are your realistically acceptable like
looks matches and like you you can be delusional if you want but you will not hit outside of this
range uh and you can you can think oh maybe but the one will appreciate me for like this weird
quirk that i have but it's probably not going to happen uh so like I don't
know like it would have to tell like 80 percent of its users that like you need to get better or
else every match that you receive is going to make you suicidal
yeah it's a difficult problem to solve yeah because most people won't want to hear that answer
i guess but that is sort of the answer with everything right like it's just get good yeah
just get good uh there's always a way that like get good fag i don't know if i can say that on
here i don't know either it's probably not uh maybe we have to delete it now. We should probably figure out the rules here just in case.
Yeah.
It's just like a casino except your attention is the currency.
Also like a casino, actually.
If a casino loses your attention, it also loses its entire business model.
loses its entire business model i'm not i haven't used any of the apps since like they were brand
new basically like when i was in high school and they were coming out yeah no like they were i
don't know if i'm like that's the problem like i actually have sort of like uh fond memories of
them because it was like uh yeah they were so easy at the time like yeah like
you really didn't have to deal with any of this but whenever i watch like a zoomer playing around
on like hinge or tinder or something it's just like you see like uh you see the rings under their
eyes like the shadows uh you see like the soul being sucked out of their nostrils like they're
not having a good time they're not like super happy about any of this stuff. Uh, and then you see them just sitting there like doom swiping. Uh, it's just, I mean,
like the time lost alone is enormously inefficient. Uh, and it also leads to like,
I mean, every single person after they spend enough time on these apps, they appear to develop
a really, really, uh, well calibrated model of model of like okay there's like seven types of
like guys or girls and like uh it's like oh this profile is this one i know i don't get along with
that one this profile is this one i know i don't get along with it you know you know you just
instantly select uh and then there's the meme of like uh it just creating broad fat girl delusion
because every fat girl goes on tinder and every single guy is like yo wanna fuck and now they think that they're like uh fairly highly desirable but like
it's actually just that when guys are on tinder and they see a fat girl match they just know that
they can message this girl and say like uh yo like you wanna you wanna fuck tonight and like
she's much more likely to say yes than a girl who looks good so uh it just
like confuses all parties men are horrific at making profiles also true i mean like frankly
women are also horrible at making profiles uh both both parties involved are bad at modeling
what the other party is actually attracted to. You could make this better, but like making it better in a vacuum
doesn't really fix it.
Like I think you have to,
you have to make the other party understand
why their profile is retarded
or else it doesn't even fix it, right?
Like you have to make them understand
why a given picture would be like not optimal, right?
Because the idea is that like you can make anyone a great profile,
but if they still think that those traits are the ones that they should be showcasing,
the ones that they would have initially made in their shitty profile, they're going to do the same thing on a date.
They're going to tell stories that illustrate a given side of themselves
that if the other gender just doesn't give a fuck about it, it's a dumb story
now, and they're just like being useless right there's a lot of good data in these apps though but it just
gets like wildly confounded like the selection criteria uh the way that it's like i mean you
know you've seen the tinder like uh data releases right
like they've famously stopped releasing like uh the racial based match data but like oof
that's yeah like the that's why it was weird the or i guess not weird but like it was amusing
what sue was showing us about the uh asian male black female thing that's in China or whatever.
Yeah, because those are actually both
the most historically hated
dating demographics.
Asian men
are the ones who get lowest matches
and then you have black women are the ones
who get lowest matches.
And having both of them pair up
in Africa is sort of...
So in your like slop driven AI model here, would it just build the profile for them?
I mean, honestly, the profiles themselves should be fairly minimal in these cases.
profiles themselves should be fairly minimal in these cases.
Like,
I don't think,
I think,
I think the more data provided by the profiles,
like at some point it needs to be sort of trust based that you just say,
like,
I don't know.
Here's like a person's profile picture,
like go meet up with them or they don't.
But like,
it's like,
this is,
this is going to be someone who's going to be more fun to talk to than,
basically anyone else,
that you're going to get by like swiping and just trust me bro why not just like do a completely blind meetup at that point
like do they even need the picture or i i don't know there's probably gonna be some degree of
individual preferences that like uh come in or like maybe they don't want to like get suggested their ex
or something oh yeah yeah that would be bad yeah it wouldn't be great it's like this is the person
you're most compatible with the one that you broke up with yeah like your ex of like seven hours
it's like great now i want to fucking kill myself yeah that would be really funny though
that would actually be like the funny like the funniest possible version of this app would be
like a totally fraudulent one that just collates everybody's exes and it just only recommends them
their exes and says like uh based on our available data these are the only the only candidates that
you could ever have a successful relationship with within 1 000 miles and if you don't accept any of them you will die alone
realistically this almost needs to be like a government mandated system like uh
like the government the government has to submit so hard bro like the government would make this
into uh i mean like it's already something that will likely be driven towards total slop.
The government would make it the most grotesque, gray, sludge-like slop of all time.
I can see it kind of happening, though.
If fertility rates get that bad, they start trying to mandate breeding or something.
They've done the opposite right like um china limited how many kids you could have like why not just mandate that everyone
has to have at least one kid or something well countries have tried this but it's sort of tricky
uh it doesn't actually like you know like there are things you can do that will help it but my
my inclination is that like uh the systems that are in the systems that exist to, like, just juice up the fertility rate will just like happen when they need to happen in the same way that like Trump came into office, like at the time at which, like the U.S.'s immune system basically like rejected all of the like giga like USAID tier corruption.
Even if like, even if USAID wasn't like outwardly known as like how the corruption was being enacted, like everybody had some sense that like something very wrong is going on.
Right.
Yeah.
And I mean, I think that was actually one of the signs early on.
I was talking to Mitch yesterday and he was basically saying like
when they started talking about usa like i knew that had to be it because i'd never heard about
usa and there's no way that anyone would ever fucking talk about the system by which they were
using to launder money so like the fact that it was kept entirely out of the spotlight so effectively
made me suspect that it was like actually the one like this is like the uh the honeypot
that's true though actually i don't think i'd ever heard of it before either i'd heard of it but only in terms of like it's uh
it's used as like an ngo for like paying out like weird you know like governmental projects right
like i knew about it in terms of like this is how foreign aid is enacted it never occurred to me
that like there was a usaID like trans opera grant.
Right.
Yeah.
That's just, I don't think that occurred to most people.
Yeah.
Or like, um, there's universities in like other countries that are closing because of
the USAID funding getting pulled.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Or just like these things, like there's so many of these things that are happening in
other countries and they're not necessarily saying this is because of like USAID, but it's just like what's happening at the same time.
And it's like, this is what the instrument did, you know, so like maybe that's related to it also, right?
But you have a bunch of like art museums and stuff shutting down and art museums are like notoriously famous for just being like pedophilia child trafficking rings in some capacity too.
I also assumed that like the Pizzagate shit had a, you know, like Hunter Biden's laptop
and like the Epstein stuff being allowed like in the open.
Actually, the Epstein stuff is being much more public than like the Biden laptop stuff.
Like there were some pictures on the Biden laptop
dump that were just like, this is like, inarguably, you know, like, how do you how do you explain a
little boy wearing lingerie with a bunch of bruises on his body next to a naked Hunter Biden?
You know, like, if you show that to your average libtard and say, like, listen, like, I get it,
you've like, you've heard a bunch of like conservative like slop fear porn but like uh what is your actual explanation for how this picture
can exist in like a just world right like that that is a sort of hard one to reckon with
yeah that's probably why they um just put more of the focus on all the dick pictures, right?
Like just to get it out of the.
Yeah.
Like you're always,
you're always going to talk about the most like publicly accessible angle
and the most publicly accessible angle is not like six year old boys having
the shit beat out of them while they're wearing lingerie.
That's crazy, man.
Yeah. I still have yet to like show that one to my parents uh yeah i actually um i'm hearing this for the first time like i didn't even look at all the pictures i guess
so yeah there were some that had like the full i mean the the right wing basically like on the
day that it happened went through the whole dumps and like uh it was another one of those things
where they were sort of like okay like who is surprised right like it just like confirmed a
bunch of uh so like uh you know it was sort of like you do like a scan over the file i'm sure
there were like worse ones than the ones that i saw posted in like twitter threads and stuff like
that but uh yeah actually i need to go find like a full archive of all of that and just like send it
to my parents at some point and be like okay like this is what you're defending yeah
i don't know man uh my my dad is like somewhat right-leaning but my mom is like way too far
gone i don't she would probably just say it's all fake ai generated stuff if i try to do that i think my parents have pretty much accepted that
like it's real and they're just hoping that it's like not that bad and but they're also not looking
for it right like there's no world in which they would go out and like try and find this uh i think
it would actually have the potential to like uh seriously like fuck with my mom because it was like that it was like explicitly protected by the system.
So now it's like you have a system where the entire like U.S. government media establishment is like actually protecting like pedophilia and like pedophiles.
files uh and like i think that would be sort of hard to grasp such that like it might it might
cause like just an otherworldly level of like reject reality cope like you might just have to
say like this couldn't have existed this couldn't be real right i pretty yeah i pretty much can't
even talk with my mom about politics or anything at all because she just instantly throws up the uh
because she just instantly throws up the reality code field.
It's just like instant response.
Everything I'm saying is fake, and I'm a liar and Nazi or whatever.
Yeah.
I mean, this exists now also pretty broadly.
That's not a unique thing with your mom.
People do actually just like – this is why I was saying I think the states' rights
things actually has to happen at some point, because I like there's so many people that genuinely live in like incongruent different realities that like what do you do when you try and take people like her and people like you and you try and get them to come together to form a system of governance?
Like you actually have no base like understandings or base first principles that you can like all agree on.
You know, like if you were to go to Americans and say and say like do you think that having kids is good right we used to get like
it would be like a 98 percent percent or percent response rate of people saying like yeah kids are
good now it's like it's gonna be like a 50 50 split on if kids are kids are good or bad like
how do you even form a nation uh with with like this much divergence. It becomes very difficult.
So do we need like states rights or is there just going to be a civil war at some point?
I don't know.
I don't know if it's like we need states rights.
I think it's like we have states rights
and they'll just probably be used
for the first time meaningfully in a long time.
Like people moving to like the libtard bastion
people living to like moving to like the chud reservation uh chud reservation people will
probably just self-organize in some way uh that makes their lives tolerable right because like
libtards actually really don't enjoy like living around people who like that's what the big effect
i think of this election was was that like libtards realized that
a lot of the people around them that they you know like i had many people in my family that
would say like oh no lucas like you're so wrong like nobody agrees with this this is just like
something you believe because you spend too much time on the internet uh and then like it all
happens in the election it was like a big yeah yeah and then they lose the popular vote right
like they're because that was always like the cope every time they lost before. Yes. I was like the permanent untested cope is like, oh, well, it's all just the electoral college's fault.
Yeah. But now it's like, no, like numerically, like people who agree with you are actually outnumbered in the country.
And all of the people that you thought were just like Internet crazies were just like those so crazy.
They were actually willing to say to you outright what everyone else was sort of biting their tongue on.
And that was the thing that really scared them is they realized that like, wait, like, all those times when Lucas was like, no, like many people agree with me and they're not telling you because they don't feel comfortable having honest conversations with you because they think you're insane.
They were like, no, like, that's an insane gaslight, dude.
That can't be real.
And then realizing that, like, wait, no, like, actually, like, so, like, my coworkers, like, some of these people must have, right?
Like, they now just want to get out every personal connection in their life because they're wondering, like, okay uh are these people all just lying to me because
they they're so afraid of me having like a mental health moment that they don't say things honestly
anymore and the answer is sort of yes like that is i mean if you're dealing with like libtards in
a corporate environment it's like yeah you just become like a libtard, right? Like you are just lying to them.
Just don't talk to them at all.
Like deflect and just don't talk to them unless you absolutely don't talk to them at all.
They sort of assume that you are this.
Like you actually do have to kind of talk to them and just like, I mean, the way that I would do it was never like outright lying.
I am generally too autistic to just go about it as in like yeah no like i love i love harris or
something but it's like there's always some some element of your political beliefs that if you
present it from the right angle you can make it sound libtarded uh and you just yeah i see what
you're saying you just stick to those i don't know man i'm entirely here and progressive like um
i just literally well at least when i was working in different corporate environments, I was like much younger and probably a bit stupider. So I would just,
just antagonize it. Like I would literally like create the conflict with the libtards.
And then amazingly, I never got fired over it or anything, but I find it very hard to just like,
you often don't. Yeah. But it's just like, it can be annoying in the long run.
Yeah.
I learned,
I think as I got older,
I realized like it's better to just not engage.
The thing is they're very like vindictive people.
And you just don't want to like,
I mean,
you know,
if there's less conservatives in a company,
which will almost always be the case for like a tech company,
you just don't want to like mark yourself outgroup and aggressive outgroup because they'll all get in their
gay Slack channels and start bitching about you at some point if you do.
I guess it's just because I viewed these jobs as expendable because I knew I'm destined
like, I'm destined for much greater things. Like I, I should not even be here. Like you people
for much greater things.
I should not even be here.
should be my serfs basically. Like, you know, like in a, in a just world. Um,
yeah. I think if you think like that, you wind up doing that. Uh, I always played like a much
more, uh, Jewish agreeability game until the end. I mean, when I decided I was going to quit,
like in totality, like, uh, I was very honest. I had a, I decided I was going to quit like in totality, like I was very honest.
I had a maybe six week period of extreme honesty with all.
But it wasn't mostly just along like political axes.
It was a lot of long like it's like, what are you doing?
Like you have way too much fucking inventory on hand.
You're just you're literally just burning cash.
Yeah, it's like these these are, you know, I started like bitching about the operations.
I didn't really care. I think most of the people at that company also were not like super political
uh they were all there's like a there's a thing to that i think um
i think it was like microsoft or something they had like a specific
terminology for like people that were there long enough that all of their equity was vested or
whatever and like liquid and they could sell it basically so um it was like some acronym but they
would like wear it on a shirt to show that like they didn't give a fuck and they could just quit
whenever they wanted because they were financially independent from all the microsoft stock they had
yeah i just like but uh like i feel like that's probably better for a company
if people are like willing to just talk shit about the process if it's fucked up yeah i mean
like that is the big problem with bureaucracy is it inherently like isolates middle management
from any sort of like that i not middle man inherently up uh isolates like upper management
from the genuine complaints of, uh, of like any
of the lower level workers because middle management like wants to make upper management
happy. And so this usually involves telling them things that are not complaints. Right.
And like you complain when systems don't work and it's very rare that a company has only systems that work so like you know
especially big companies yeah like corporations i'm just like not cut out i'm not cut out for the
corporate environment at all like uh i don't know that anybody really is i don't know maybe some
people are but there are some people who are like uh i mean there's definitely like a breakdown
between like big and small company people.
I'm definitely like a small company person myself.
Yeah.
But there's some people who are just like very consistent, steady grinders.
They like to like play nice with most people and they tend to do like much better at bigger companies.
companies uh and then there's some people who are like they want to be they want to have like one
experience a week where they're learning some goofy new thing that they never thought they
would ever need in a million years they don't care if it's like this is like a you know it's
like something that i've seen a lot with like uh crypto companies is like when someone is like well
fuck like our media guy left like somebody needs to figure out how to edit videos in the next 40
hours right and then like who are the people that are like excited to like do this?
Right.
Like those type of people are usually like much better small company
people.
Like I realized this myself when I was at a company,
it's like,
I was using any excuse that I could to go away from like a designer
engineering work to instead go like weld up a new design change that I'd
made,
or like try and see if I could like
assemble something that I've implemented. And you're like, huh, like I appear to like a level
of like freedom or like random novelty in my day that is not inherent to doing like infinite design.
It just feels drone-like when you're doing the same thing all the time like you're uh
yeah you're you're just a robot at that point or something yeah i don't know some people like
going very deep into one skill tree and some people like unlocking a bunch and getting sort
of okay at them i think there's a general uh i think i don't know that that's like a different
division though i think because like i'm I would say I'm more just like
specced out to a single skill tree. Like that's definitely the direction that I picked rather
than being like a... I mean, I don't know. I've picked up tons of different skills.
I mean, you clearly like doing other stuff though, bro.
Yeah, but just not for...
You have like 87 cards that you work on, right?
Yeah, I mean, I like...
If you were forced to code every day with no, like nothing else, you'd probably kill yourself, right?
At this point, yes.
There was a point in time when I was first getting into it that I kind of had that, like,
I don't even know how to say the word out loud.
Naive.
I can't even say it.
Naive?
Yeah, but like with E-T-Y at the end.
Naivety?
Naivety?
I don't know.
Naivete. Yeah, naivete. I'll know but um i even hey yeah naive it's like i'll
mispronounce it with like a gay french accent you can just pretend that it's it's on me now bro
um and yeah i was like super into it i could probably do it all the time but um
just like anything else like if you do it for money long enough i think it loses some of its
magic like like you see the same thing with like musicians and stuff where they start very passionate Just like anything else, if you do it for money long enough, I think it loses some of its magic.
You see the same thing with musicians and stuff where they start very passionate.
And then if they turn it into a career, they get burnt out.
They pick up drug habits, whatever.
Yeah.
So we're sort of hitting up on the three-hour mark here.
Yeah, I was actually, yeah, yeah.
I think we can cut it if you want to.
I was going to say after yesterday,
like maybe we should have like a hard stop at some amount of time because I think we almost went for five hours yesterday.
And after like, probably after about three hours,
my brain is just like turbo fucked.
Yeah, I was going to say I need to be like eating or something.
I'm out of glycogen at a certain point.
Yeah.
Yeah. Okie doke. All right, cool glycogen at a certain point. Yeah. Yeah.
Okie doke.
All right, cool.
Later.
Godspeed, everyone.
Love you all.
