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Recorded: March 26, 2025 Duration: 3:40:12Space Recording
Short Summary
The transcript covers a wide range of topics related to the crypto industry, including token launches, project developments, and market trends. Key highlights include the listing of new tokens like Fat Coin and White Coin, the introduction of innovative trading mechanisms, and discussions on the perception of Chinese products in global trade. The conversation also touches on the influence of Eastern philosophy on Western Enlightenment, the impact of cancel culture on streamers, and the potential for gaming as a growth area in the blockchain space. Additionally, the transcript explores the role of charisma in public perception, the challenges of meme coin trading, and the importance of social engineering in advertising and consumer engagement.
Full Transcription
Did it.
So dude, I don't know what's up, but like, uh, despite, despite the fact the lights over
here are like all fucked up, the lighting in this room right now is fucking godly with the way
the sun is.
Like look, look at this.
Look at how amazing this looks.
It's like stage lighting.
Better than stage lighting.
That's like, this is like unnatty lighting.
This is like, this has gone past half natty lighting and we are at full on like just
juiced out lighting.
Sue is sitting there totally emotionless.
He has no.
I'm trying to figure out. I'm trying to figure out what you mean by that.
No, no, there's like levels of lighting where the lighting is so good that it makes you appear as if you are like 30 pounds heavier, five body fat percentage points lower and like on steroids, right?
Like it's like on natty lighting.
I see what I mean.
And like this specific thing right now.
And I don't know how to recreate it also because like there's no lights on in this room because I can't figure out how to use the master fuse.
So it's literally just like whatever sunlight is coming in through the window.
And tomorrow it could be cloudy and I could look way less muscular.
But right now.
I feel like if you pressed every button, I feel like if you press every button, you'd figure it out.
Okay.
Okay.
I have a secret here.
My good friend who's been coming into the office with me, she tried pressing, she tried that because she needed to get out.
She didn't have her car.
She didn't know which button was the exit.
So she pressed every single button on the panel.
And consequently, all of the doors in the thing like slammed closed.
Oh, yeah.
It started like a fire alarm lockdown on the whole floor.
Yeah. No, those are main doors.
It's not the best.
Yeah. Like, when the main door is fully shut, it's like you're sealed in the queue kind of thing.
Yeah. Well, it also, like, shut the doors to the elevator.
So, like, she was, like, double blockaded.
And she was like, okay, so everyone in this entire building is gone except me and I'm now like locked in the top.
Like it's literally like Rapunzel.
Like she's like until I can grow my hair like 30 stories long, like I will not be able to get out of this.
Yeah.
I've seen that once.
I actually was always wondering what would need to happen in the building for you to need to lock everyone in like that.
Like a shooter maybe.
But like, I can't think of much else.
Yeah.
But it's, it's also, like, absurd because it's like the top floor.
So not really top floor.
Well, it's the top, like, casual elevator floor, right?
Like the work elevators, this is the top.
Yeah, that's true.
There's like the secret.
It's the same thing with like, do you remember that one time when?
There's a secret back elevator, too, that takes you straight to the steak restaurant at the top.
Yeah.
It's also pretty.
Do you remember when we had some fairly dirty fellows in the office and they started leaving food around and like someone complained about the cockroach?
And you're just like, how is it even possible that you got a cockroach?
Like, it's like you're literally like, I don't know, like hundreds of feet in the air.
Like by like the cockroach got here against all odds.
Like truly it must have been like the most ridiculous journey of all time for this cockroach to go from like the floor of Taipei city.
you know it may be the highest altitude cockroach probably in asia the
cockroach should be honored yes so little terrarium in the ox office honestly though like that
that like that may show how like posh your type of experience has been because if you ask locals
like Taiwan in general has a massive cockroach problem a lot of the buildings are older and like
they're not that well um
maintain so that there's like like if you ask a local who's not living in like done or like
scene or something like he like there's like flying cockroaches like everywhere so um
But like, season all as well, but you can like you have to you have to understand also like my my level of like acclamation is like New York and LA. So like Taiwan does just not have more cockroaches than New York or LA. New York. New York just has like rats. It's like like rats flying around. So yeah. Yeah.
New York's got it all, man.
New York.
High rises in Asia have a lot of cockroaches.
Like when I lived in Hong Kong, there's cockroaches, sometimes in high rises in Singapore
as well.
Like there was a wave of architecture where they used to put these like garbage chutes
inside units.
So you could not like you could throw away your garbage without going outside to like
a rubbish bin or like a garbage can.
And but then like a couple years later, they realized that this is just going to be like a massive funnel for cockroaches to enter your home.
Because they're like in the garbage underneath on the ground floor and they just climb up 30 floors into your unit.
So then they started to seal all these.
And yeah, but there's like, yeah, there's definitely cockroaches and cities.
You just can't avoid it.
I probably just don't notice it because I'm such a clean person, right?
Yeah, if you're clean, you won't, you won't notice if you're clean.
If you leave like...
Leave food out for like a week.
Definitely they're coming.
They will come.
This is the advantage of like the Lucas approach to like consuming food is.
It's simply never left out for a week.
Like if there's food left out by anyone, it will be eaten in three hours by like me roving around.
It doesn't matter whose food it is or what it is.
Yeah.
Become the cockroaches.
Yeah, like I am the cockroach.
I'm and I have the advantage of much longer legs, right?
So I can get there faster.
Yeah.
I always start calling someone a cockrores as an insult should actually be a compliment.
It's like, wow, you're really like resilient and you like.
Yeah, like you're an extremely evolutionarily adapted individual.
Like you will survive the next nuclear apocalypse.
Nice.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At a certain point like you just, you can't fuck with success, right?
Exactly.
So we have a rebranding of Asman Gold here to Anu, which I also can't really pronounce.
It's like two syllables, man. It's like one and a half. I don't know.
You've heard me try to pronounce tons of words, though, and you know that it's not like my strong suit.
You might neg me into rebranding again depending upon how you managed to twist it around.
Yeah, just keep going.
So, like, Sue last time, what was it that I said wrong?
I think I said, like, so verity, and he was, like, nobody's ever said it like that.
He, like, went up.
He, like, refused to be gaslighted by me into believing that anyone has ever pronounced it this way.
Like, after he learned that physiognomy has a silent G, and I've, like, tricked him into pronouncing it the wrong way, accidentally.
Like, he's just like.
I question everything now.
Yeah.
Lucas, I thought was...
He's had it up to here with my mispronunciations.
He's like, this isn't a game.
Like words have meanings and they have pronunciations, Lucas.
We need to feed you other words that like super obscure words that are also like easily
mispronounceable because then that's like two levels of indirection.
It's like first of all, what word are you even saying?
And then even when you do say it right, we don't even know what you're trying to say or
the audience should be pronounced, not pronounced?
Or is that just like, is that a little bit of splitting hair?
Arguing over the pronunciation of pronunciation is like...
This one isn't even ambiguous.
It's spelled N-U-N-U-N-U-N-C-I-T-I-O-N.
No, it's O-U-N.
No, no, it is.
It's pronunciation.
Like, spelled that way.
Yeah.
There's an O-U in it.
It's not...
i look at it right now yeah i'm looking at it too wait pro pronunciation i'm looking bro i'm looking at
it i'm getting gaslit so hard that i'm doubting oh you're right oh you're right it's pronounced
and then it's pronunciation exactly that's crazy yeah that's crazy that's why english is the world's
toughest language so for me it's the easiest that's wild
It is a fun language for that reason, though.
Like, you just have to, like, know the rules, and, like, every word has its own rule.
Okay.
The word pronunciation is pronounced pronunciation.
A common mistake is to say pronounciation, but note that there's no noun sound in the correct pronunciation.
Let me know if you'd like more tips on tricky words.
We'll do.
The lewis is helping me on pronunciation now.
That's cool.
That's almost worse than Lucas helping you on navigation, man.
Like that's just like min-maxing in the opposite direction.
The Lucas navigation is an adventure on its own.
You almost don't want to bother it.
It's just like let it happen.
I've started getting better at it now because riding the bike around, I've basically decided that, like, I cannot be looking at Google Maps on the bike because Google Maps is like, you remember the experience we were having in Irvine?
It was even more fucked up in Taiwan.
Like, it just reroutes you every six seconds.
And so the entire, because like every time one of the stoplights, like hits the you can't walk, it starts saying like, uh,
Okay, we're going to reroute you around this five minute stoplight, right?
But it's just always happening.
So like literally every single stoplight change, you're getting rerouted because it makes like a seven minute difference in the outcome because of how long Taipei stoplights are.
Like I don't know what it is about this specific city.
They're actually that long.
It's absurd. You'll have like a seven minute stop and then it's like you get to walk, but like you know the little walk timers? It will literally be like you'll get like 89 seconds of walk time and you're just like holy shit. Like these intervals simply don't need to be this long. Um.
And then you get all these, like there's so much, so many people piled up there at the stoplight that it gets to the point where like even when you the walk thing starts, it takes like a minute for people to like filter like get like a bike to the bike lane and get like the old woman needs to move her stroller to this side.
Because like there's just this big like conglomeration of everyone sitting at the stoplight.
I bet there's definitely a balance because in America, I think that they're too short, frankly.
Because, like, you know, like, there's a, they're only like 20 seconds usually, right?
And then, like, you have like, like, an old woman, like, every once in a while.
And then, like, if she's on the...
Yeah, the old woman is getting, like, bulldozed.
Yeah, exactly.
And then the people, like, you go to New York and they don't even care.
Like, they see, like, an old woman pushing, like, her grandkids in a stroller.
And, like, they don't give a fuck.
They're, like, honk, honk, honk.
turn her into a stain turn it into that fucking squidifier with like like the motorcycle guys yeah
we should cover uh we should cover the new listings that we've done done a bunch last couple
yeah let's check it out we got uh where's the uh new listing category here we got oh we listed
a fat coin bro we have fat i missed fat coin we listed um
We listed routine.
Fat coin actually looks pretty good.
Like this is, this is not bad.
You listed white.
You listed white coin.
I'm a big fan of white coin.
All right.
Please.
So which this is like the new listing category, but like how, how updated is this?
Like how long is something to stay in the new listing category, I guess.
I think it stays a couple of weeks.
Wow.
This one looks quite good actually.
That's like the new dog that the kubboos, the doge coin owner, the doge owner got.
Kyto looks very good actually.
And then Siren as well listed B&B meme coin, Bub B&B meme coin.
This is just a gold analog, right?
That's just actually gold.
Yeah.
That's just actually.
This is a fun lockout day.
Did you see the Tesla stock price?
Oh, yeah.
Liberals must be disbelief.
Tim Walts.
Tim Walts is the bottom.
I don't...
Yeah.
I don't know, man.
Like, I...
Fortunately, like, I think a lot of liberals don't really do stock posting.
Like, it's not something that they do.
But unfortunately, the one coin that like I actually heard many of them, not the coin, the one stock that I actually heard many of them like getting into and like moving money onto brokerage accounts was like to short Tesla.
Yeah.
Like this was what taught people how to use like Schwab accounts.
But you know the thing about that too is like the people that were earliest in Tesla stock were also like left wing people that I knew.
Yes.
Like if you bought Tesla stock in like 2017, you are like very lip coded to do such a thing because you're like green energy.
Like you give a green energy like I love I love batteries bro like fuck internal combustion. I love battery.
Like oil and gas. Yeah, we're going to stop the oil and gas industry getting so big, you know.
No keystone pipeline needed.
Everything is going to be electric.
I have a really good friend of mine, IRL, who yeeded his entire, or his father, excuse me,
heeded his entire life savings into Tesla in 2013.
And he's held ever since.
There's a guy in Singapore who I think is a top five holder.
He's a retail investor that just bought it really early.
He's got like billions of dollars to Tesla stock.
Yeah, it's a crazy stock.
There's a lot, a lot of Tesla millioners for Tesla billioners too.
Dogue looks good.
You know, I'm not going to lie, dude. Everything looks good, but it's like, everything is also like testing resistance.
Yeah.
Oh, a couple of new things.
Everything always looks good when everything is testing resistance, right?
Yeah, a couple of new things also we're doing for our product fine is we're no longer delisting anything.
What we're going to do instead is when it goes below 10 mil M-M cab,
and it stays below for some period of time,
OLP will no longer quote it.
So there will be no bids or offers from OLP in that coin
because it's become too illiquid.
However, it won't delist it.
So you still position is open.
But if you want to trade, you have to find your own liquidity.
So it's like bring your own beer,
but bring your own liquidity or like turn your friends into liquidity.
Like you basically have to find the other side yourself,
but the market will stay open.
And then when it goes back above 10 million,
we'll start quoting it again.
Pretty simple, but I think some of the cool things about that is that you get closer to be able to list anything.
Like imagine the coins like 80KM cap, like and we charge like a $500 listing fee.
Like you could pay us $500 and we'll put it like we'll we'll list it.
We'll call it this OTC mode over the counter mode.
So then you could put in a big bid in your coin at like 50KM cap.
You put a purpose bid and say, hey look, there's no, you know, I'm a massive buyer of this coin.
You could post about it.
So the idea is to make it more viral and more funny and eventually have like millions of listings.
Eventually have millions of listings.
That's like the craziest sentence.
Millions of listings.
Yeah.
I mean, if you think about Palm 50K a day, you know, talking about over a million a year listings,
if you'd have all those as perps, like most of those won't have bids or offers in the book,
but some might.
And it'd be a good way to like for whales to PPP each other and these small coins too.
Because like imagine if you wanted to get people out and like get more of the supply, you
could just like, you know, you can just do things.
Yeah.
So that would be cool.
And then second thing, Oxfone, yeah, so we published our roadmap.
Did we discuss that much yet?
I don't think we discussed exactly yet.
But I think-
We haven't run through it fully.
Let's hit that.
Yeah, we should run through it.
Just that post.
What is the floor price of an unburnt cyber truck?
Are they all burned now?
I thought only a few got burned.
Okay.
What are we?
I feel like there's a post on, if you go to your own, yeah,
if you go to your own pin posts there.
Yeah, this one, the first one.
Gmox.
Gmox.
Yeah.
Is this like an article?
Is this, what is this format?
Yeah.
It's an article, yeah.
It's really jarring every time I see one of these.
Yeah.
The thing is I associate this like form of this form of writing with AI now.
I mean what form do you mean like like this?
Yeah, yeah, like long long form that is segmented whenever you have whatever these things are M dashes.
If I see M dashes, I assume I assume it was AI because I've never used an M dash intentionally.
I just do the one, which I've learned is like an improper literary device that doesn't exist.
But like, I used to use all the time in college because I had a professor who was like explaining how this just mocks like semicolon.
Like semicolon is that they're like it's cringe, but like m dashes, you can use them everywhere to avoid comma slicing yourself.
Yeah.
But as I get older, I'm a huge advocate for just comma splicing.
Like I think commas should just be put where your pauses.
And like, you know, is what it is like, there's like two like ways to like write.
One is like kind of conversationally in the way that you would actually talk, you know?
And then there's like the very like kind of kind of anal retentive like word cell way to word cell way where like you're trying to not really trying to trying but like your.
Yeah, you're like trying to follow the whole style guy.
Yeah, exactly.
I got used to writing the way that I talk because I use voice dictation so many times or like just so much when I'm actually like writing anything.
Or like if I'm doing like a long form, I just scream into my phone for a long time and then I go back and like edit some punctuation to make things work.
But it's like I can't really do like the flowery word cell thing.
M dashes are confusing to me.
Dictation usually just results in like lots of comma splicing.
It's more or less just a natural, like a natural pattern, yeah.
Yeah, I recommend people go through this post when they have a chance.
Just explains what we have so far as products and also what we'll be adding.
So you're exciting.
Dynamic strategies. That's honestly better than just strategies outright,
even though it's more words and more confusing.
Yeah. Do I think Tesla can get to 350? It can get to anything, bro. I don't know. Robots are coming.
I don't know.
It's now like a tokenized liberal cringe.
So it's like, you hate the legs.
It'll go up.
I mean, like there's also money hemorrhaging out of like all of the other tech stocks.
So like while people are running out of those, where are they running into?
And at some point, Tesla can just do the thing that it did before, which is like just become like
the one safe haven of everything in like a in like a recessionary period.
Like that was basically COVID, right?
Tesla has good China beta as well. You know, you have the Shanghai mega factory.
You know, like even if China took over like the market was much more China focused in five years, like Tesla might be able to keep up.
Only issues of the car company.
I mean, I think that there will be enough protectionism that Tesla can sell in all these like Western countries that Chinese car companies can't sell into.
And so Tesla's like has the best of it because they get to like benefit from like Chinese tech transfer and like have that.
You know, it's almost like the new Apple in that sense.
Like Apple is like very popular in China, but then it's also like a big American company.
So you're pretty bullish on Tesla, it sounds like.
I mean, I think of the, I'm not really bullish American stocks, but I think if I had to be, it'd be Tesla.
But I think in general, American stocks are actually really overvalued versus global stocks.
So you might have like a few years of like American stocks like flatlining.
Yeah.
And then you have like other stuff catch up.
Like if you look at prices of like Chinese tech stocks versus US tech stocks versus like 2017-18, like it like took a massive nuke, right?
After like the Jack Mastoff or whatever and like in general, this idea that, you know, people need to divest from Chinese stocks.
And now like American pensions can't buy like Chinese stocks anymore.
And so that just means like if you can, it's like kind of a mug because you just like get to own it at like way cheaper prices.
And then eventually it'll go back up again because it's like.
Just wait for a president who doesn't want to, you know, fight that battle.
So, no, I think something like 10 cent is, like, still ridiculously undervalued.
Like, um.
Rune was saying the other day that, like, uh,
He was like, well, if you buy a car, you just have to buy a Tesla because they drive themselves.
Like, it just wins by default because no other car drives itself, right?
Like, and I don't want to drive.
And that is like a compelling argument.
I still don't consider Tesla like a luxury car.
Like I always get a little tilt till you get an Uber black and then the Tesla comes.
I don't know.
Yeah.
I'm like, no, they're not, they're not super comfortable.
Like, the seats are fucked up.
It's, they almost feel like, uh, you go and you fly on like Spirit Airlines and you get like
the Spirit Airlines seats.
And you're like, God damn it.
Like I can feel the plastic backing.
Like, uh, the padding is only like 1.5 inches thick and it's like some goofy like, uh,
like low density poly foam.
Yeah, they feel a little tacky to be inside of.
Sue, what do you think of BYD?
I saw the headline today that they've apparently eclipsed Tesla sales this year.
I mean, Chinese cars are way cheaper and better than Tesla's, right?
I mean, this is widely known.
In part because there's no fluff, right?
It's just like China's really good at getting to the absolute lowest cost of production
and then scaling it.
I have it and then he's stealing it.
I mean, it's like, in Chinese culture, I think the idea of like stealing, copying and like building are like kind of more similar.
It's like, it's like flat.
You know how like imitation is the highest sign of flattery?
It's like kind of like that.
It's like I'm flattering you.
But you should be flattered right now, you broke bitch.
Should be flattered that, yeah.
So like you think about like Porsche's, I think there's one car company that's made a car that looks literally like a Porsche, right?
Yeah.
But it's like 80% cheaper and electric and like this is actually, if you put it side by side and you show it to aliens, aliens would be like Germany like wow on him by this Porsche.
So this is some of the greatest boomer posting I've ever seen.
it's a revelation the nf 405 bumper to bumper traffic is a revelation
this is a i get that you should start signing off with like uh dash like uh big brandon like
u.s marine corps 403 like message received Roger that yeah but yeah no like I mean that the
Chinese cars that I've seen it's like uh
You can kind of just put a battery and some motors in and like get the acceleration curve like smooth enough on the gas and like.
I think they're also making these cars that like cost hundreds of dollars.
I think they're going to crack this vehicle market, which is like a like $800 car, which is also pretty crazy.
Like, you know how you're- Yeah, that was the literal, the literal like disposable slop car?
Like you get like a $600 smart car every year and your kid just crashes it and you buy a new one.
Honestly, like in a lot of places, that would make sense.
Like if your car can go like 50 miles an hour, it's good enough. You know, you can truck along and like, I don't know, it will cost less than iPhones, I think.
Cars will just get like this massive cost compression.
I think glass is always going to be a little bit of a thing.
And in the you,
this is the problem in the US is there's so much,
like there's so much safety regulation that like you actually have to have like a pretty eye,
like a pretty.
voluminous sensory array to like be tracking everything on all sides of the vehicle so you can know like when to do the thing and you got like the rear camera and all this stuff.
And then you have like I guess you don't have to worry about like emissions on the motor, but like you do actually have to like beef up the A frame quite a lot in most cars now to hit safety ratings and
Yeah, like you might be fine in China and you're fine on any road, honestly, where it's like you just don't have 10,000 pound cars driving around.
But like I don't know how much a cyber truck weighs.
It's just you just cannot have like go carts on a road with cyber trucks and also like strange like unlicensed illegal drivers because they will just instantly flatten the other thing.
Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, to think about how ballard Warren Buffett is, Warren Buffett in 2008,
paid 230 mil for 10% of B.D.
So there's like a 2.3 billion fully diluted valuation.
Of BYD, you said?
Of BID, yeah.
He still has about 5% now, a little bit less than 5% in Berkshire halfway.
But I don't know the stock went up like 50x then and then back down like 95%.
Like, oh, Wobar and won't buy a Chinese car company.
But it's pretty impressive.
Yeah, it's definitely a longer play.
Yeah.
So like, cyber trucks apparently weigh almost 7,000 pounds.
Yeah.
What are some of these like Chinese electrics you're talking about, Sue?
Like what's a brand or make?
Well, I think BID has a new car coming.
That's going to be the same as the Tesla top range, but half the price.
So let me just pull one up.
Are you saying BYD?
Yeah.
BID, BID stands for Build Your Dream.
That's such a Chinese name.
That's kind of epic.
Yeah.
Okay, so these guys are pretty heavy too.
So I guess these could probably do well in a collision with the cyber truck.
Like if you had to like, like, maybe like one and a half of these could be crashed into a cyber truck and you would have like a mass related equilibrium.
Yeah.
But you know what I think the Chinese are really good at is this like this UIUX principle,
which is like if people are already used to something, then give them exactly what they're used to.
Whereas I think like America is always more about like innovation, right?
It's like you have to innovate on UI, you actually have to innovate on the this that.
Whereas for like the Chinese founder is more like iterative.
It's like we know it already works, so do that and then maybe do a tiny tweak here and then a tiny tweak there.
But like just build what they already have but at lower cost.
And then over time you get like you know gradual improvements.
But like you think about Huawei, right?
The Huawei office in China is basically they recreated these European cities, but as a Huawei
campus.
So you have like Versailles or something.
You have like these like French palace or you have like Austrian streets, but that's
just the Huawei campus.
And they don't view it as like, oh, I'm like ripping it off.
I'm like I'm paying homage to it.
You know, it's like when your kid plays like Bach, he plays violin, he's not ripping off.
He's like playing, you know, he's studying it, right?
Yeah.
It's like how the Chinese are known for a lot.
We have an important question from the peanut gallery here.
The gallery.
Do you guys do any real work?
That's a great question.
Do we do any real work, Lucas?
Define real work.
I will say also this is a person who wrote like a 30 tweet thread on like how to string
together like 17 remote jobs and like scam your employers out of like contract dev hiring.
So like I don't necessarily think he's asking this in a way that implies that us doing no
real work would be bad.
Isn't he, isn't he one of our ox badge guys or is that someone else?
Yeah.
No comment is my answer.
It's like you guys don't do any real work, do you?
No comment.
No comment.
Exactly.
I feel like it's so gay to see it's a real work.
I feel like it's just so gay to say like I do so much real work.
I know.
That's kind of my feeling too.
I'm so busy people.
Like the guy.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Oh, I'm so I'm so busy guy who it's like then you, you spend a day living with him and you see like,
oh, this is what he meant.
Okay.
The work he's actually doing.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's like an East Coast West Coast thing, right?
Like growing up, like on the East Coast, everyone will be like, I'm so busy with this.
I have so much homework, this, so much this.
And then West Coast is like, I don't have any, like, I'm so free.
Like work is like, you know, studying so easy.
I haven't studied at all yet.
Like in West Coast, like they downplay like how much time they're actually working.
Yeah, yeah.
It's like it's like they large directionally opposite ways, right?
Like one side thinks it's really based to be like always busy and like I'm always grinding and it's and like to be.
Yeah.
That's the other side likes to be person who like, despite doing no work, I still am so successful.
Or even like, well, okay, maybe I'm really unsuccessful, but that's fine because I don't do any work anyway.
So it's shocking that even with zero work, I've achieved this minimal level of success.
Yeah, exactly.
Like, like in my day, like, you know, like the Stanford kid would be bragging about how he doesn't study.
Like he doesn't, he doesn't do any studying.
He doesn't go to class and doesn't study.
This guy, this all caps comment guy fucking mocks dude, I love this guy.
Chinese copycat of SpaceX is hilarious. Yeah, bro, they're just in a, they're just in a copy.
I mean, copying is a is a loaded word. I think they're going to, they're going to respect.
You know, they're respecting SpaceX. It's like iterating and then there's copying.
There's a the Chinese SpaceX respecter.
I'm respecting the shit out of your classified technical specifications.
I'm respecting those so hard.
Pang homage.
I respected them right onto my hard drive.
It's a tribute.
Tribute, yes.
Tribute.
My SpaceX tribute company.
Did I?
Okay.
What do you guys think of like knock off like, like, uh, like just totally like bootleg.
Like let's say someone makes like a really good copy of like a Rolex or something, right?
To me, this is like inherently gay because if you can make a really good bootleg of something,
you can also just make a really good something else.
Like you could just make your own design.
Uh, and so I've never really understood like why, uh,
why someone would prefer to wear the bootleg of like a real thing versus their own.
So did you see, so does you see the suit guy's tweet about why there are logos on streetwear?
No, he has me blocked.
Oh, damn. Okay.
Well, anyway, he, he did this long thread about why streetwear has logos.
Why luxury brands use logos?
And it's related to your question, I think, because
He argues that logos was the only way that they could prevent knockoffs because of the way that copyright law works.
Because if you just make a shirt without any logos, I can reverse engineer your shirt and make literally the same shirt.
Like I can even go to the facts that you use and I can pay the guy and make the same shirt.
And now you're toast because I can just sell your shirt for lower price.
Right.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So then they invented logos to put on shirts.
Like if you look at Couture,
cocier doesn't have logos as much or at all
because they don't need to protect this copyright
because they're making like a one of one or something, right?
So ready to wear becomes this like battle to put like your stamp on it
so that if someone were to make your same shirt,
but without your logo, like they could still do that.
But if they did it with your logo also,
then they're violating copyright, you can sue them.
So logos are meant to prevent like people from copying the entire thing.
So I think Rolex.
But the whole thing just like breaks down when you have like a Chinese factory that is not beholden to your copyright law and can make anything for cheaper anyway.
Yeah.
But if they add if they make fake Rolexes, you can still sue them.
Like they can't sell them in a normal store, right?
They have to sell them on the street of Chinatown.
Yeah, you can push them into like the ghettos of e-commerce, but like-
Whereas if there was a lot of-goes of e-commerce are so big now.
It's kind of a problem.
There we go.
Someone turned the lights on.
We did it.
It's kind of a problem that solves itself in some sense, or at least to like your
modal watch enjoyer because of the type of person who's going to be buying or is going
be buying like heavily buying knockoffs and everything, you're, they're almost in like
mutually exclusive circles, you know, like.
If like if insofar like Sue is talking about it's like you know you have a you're you're
basically just like printing the symbol everywhere like in some sense like the like the
like the brand like every article of clothing that a brand makes is basically just like a new
hip way of of selling the symbol you know that's why like this like the supreme logo is probably
like the best example of this like just that the thing appears everywhere you know it's
It's like if you're if you're like canny enough to understand that like the symbol is what matters, then you know also that like it's the value of the then you basically know also that it's the authenticity of the symbol I think.
And that's basically an entirely like mutually exclusive group of people from the type of person who's going to get excited about a knockoff, you know.
Yeah.
Aside from like dedicated scammer types, but like that's like that's a slightly different issue.
Yeah.
Like the suit guy made the argument that if you had copyright law, that was stricter, where if you make a shirt that is almost the same style and you sell it like in mass and then you could then get sued for that, then you wouldn't actually have logos because you wouldn't need them.
And then, I mean, that's a little ridiculous though, because like, what are you, you're going to like copyright like a thread count and stitch pattern like a specific like you know, like you wind up like that's a ridiculous copyright.
Yeah.
Yeah.
But yeah, the suit guy.
The suit guy blocked me because I made a post saying that like fashion is just like a cope for like fat people.
Oh yeah.
And you don't, you don't actually like have to care that much about what you're wearing
if you just like are in shape.
I can see why he would.
I can see why he would.
Yeah, a guy, a guy who is like very in shape and is wearing sweat pants and like a
wife beater is going to look better than a fat guy in a suit no matter what.
So like at a certain point, if you're in America and everyone else is fat, you can kind of
just mug by not being fat.
And then he just blocked me.
So I wonder what his BMI is.
I think he's just like a Vietnamese twink guy, honestly.
That's funny also.
That would make sense.
I could see it being like one of three things.
I could see him being like,
a very, like a very thin gay twink who's like some sort of ambiguous race. And he's just like extremely mad because he's like my life is fashion. Like what do you mean like fashion doesn't matter? Like it's the most important thing in the world. He could be like a fat coping like one of those one of those like American suit guys who's going to tell you about like Milanese buttonholes and like.
oh, like you need this to be like custom stitched because like it expands more along the seams and it really fits your body.
Or it could, I'm not going to say the third option, but it probably probably some variant of trans.
This guy, this guy again, just like killer comments, man.
Like the Rob Ness monster.
Rob.
Yeah.
I mean, this is the way to go, bro.
Like, just get the 30 pack of, like, the dog shit shades.
You know you're going to leave them at the club anyway.
Like, uh, his entire Twitter is all caps.
It's all caps.
This guy's a god.
Did you guys see that the dollar, like, dollar tree is now like, they've, they've
suffered the effects of inflation.
It's no longer dollar tree.
It's like $1.25 tree.
God forbid $1.50 tree.
It should just be an index of inflation.
Yeah.
It like, uh, the ideally, uh, ideally for the consumer, it sits, it's like what, it's like
dollar tree than like dollar. Oh three tree dollar oh six tree. Uh, God forbid it like goes a dollar
50 tree in like a year just change the name every single time inflation changes.
The problem is that they haven't increased the price with inflation. So like the the goods
in the dollar tree have gotten even shittier like the quality just continues going down. Uh,
I don't know how Costco did it with the fucking hot dog, man.
They might just be like loss leading that shit.
Yeah, like Costco is crazy into loss leading.
Like the rotissaries are all lost leaders.
The entire food quarters lost leaders.
You are being Costco when you eat that hot dog.
It's like pure arbitrage.
That's why I go.
That's why I always get the hot dog when I eat there is because I feel like it's like even if I don't really like hot dogs, like I got a good deal.
Like, yeah.
I'm bargain hunting, bro.
You go in and get just like four rotisserie chickens and like a few hot dogs and you're like, oh my God, like I'm bawling out.
There are some notable differences between like the Taiwanese hot dog and the the American Costco hot dog.
I realized a few things.
Like first off, Costco in Taiwan, I can still get in with my Costco membership card.
The other is I can still use my Costco credit card.
Like I was told that I would need like a like a Taiwanese bank Costco visa or something down here.
You can still use the U.S.
Costco visa.
The really interesting thing though is when you go into the Taiwanese Costco, there's like this conveyor belt that it like it like locks your wheels in and it rolls you up a ramp to go to the top floor and then like funnels you around and then you go down to the bottom like food court floor.
It's like a drive through car wash.
Yeah. And it like carries you down on like a car wash.
But when you get the hot dogs in the US one, you know, you go up and you order on the little pad and then the guy gives it to you after some amount of time.
In Taiwan, two notable differences there.
The hot dog instead of being 150, it's actually about like 175 here if you look at the conversion rate.
So it's a little bit of a scam.
a little bit of a Costco scam but when you order them they already have them pre-packaged and
they just hand them to you it's like you say i want those and they just give you the pre-rolled hot
dogs they're they're still warm somehow i don't really know how uh and then they give you bags
of condiments like you get a bag of relish a bag of mustard and a bag of ketchup whereas in in the
american ones they make you go and walk to this weird really dirty dispenser that has like a
bunch of fucked up like condiment residue all over it
uh and so it feels much less demeaning uh in the taiwanese one asia is very big into a single
use plastic they spec into it really hard yeah yeah so overall i uh i think i like the taiwanese ones
better the hot dog itself uh i think might have actually been a little better in the u s but
it's like the difference between various like 50 cent hot dogs uh
You know, it sort of doesn't matter, right?
Like this is this is already like peak slop.
The only good thing about it is that you're sitting there like, wow, I got a meal for like
This is crazy.
And they have samples as well, right?
I remember the samples are great.
Yeah, the samples in Asia are very different than the samples in the US.
Yeah.
It's just different things.
Like in, in U.S., there's, like, specific things that they know will draw people in.
And in Asia, it's like, uh, different markets, a different draw.
Yeah.
I was surprised.
They actually have, like, less sugar.
I'm used to, I'm used to honestly, like, Taiwan, they just pour tons of sugar into many things.
Yeah.
Like, milk tea is crazy.
Bubble tea is crazy.
Yeah, milk tea is honestly like, I mean, when you come to Taiwan, you kind of have to tell everyone like, okay, do like half sugar or else you drink it and it's like they pour so much sugar in that they reach like saturation level of the fluid, right?
Like it's like the maximum amount of dissolvable sugar has been dissolved in this water. It is damn near like a paste.
Yeah.
Seems fine to me. You ever heard of repeat, Lucas?
Oh, God.
I learned that like 7-Eleven, I don't even think is Asian.
I always thought it was, but I guess it's not.
7-Eleven, is it not listed in Japan now?
But I think it originally started in the U.S., yeah.
But I think now it's a Japanese list code.
KFC mogs in fucking Asia.
Oh, my God.
Yeah, it's 7-Eleven is an American convenience store chain, headquartered in Texas, Irving, Texas, but is a wholly owned subsidiary of 7-11 Japan, which is then owned by 7-I holdings.
So it's a Japanese company now.
Interesting.
But started as an American company.
It was quite interesting.
So in 1970, so it actually started 1927 as a Southland Ice Company in Dallas.
was renamed a 7-11, 1946, reflecting its enhanced hours of operation.
1961, start franchising in the US.
In 1973, Ito Yoko, a Japanese supermarket chain franchises it to develop 7-Elevens in Japan.
Later on, Ito Yokoa acquired a 70% stake in the business as a majority owner
and changed its own, and changed the full name to 7-11 on both sides.
In 2005, they went to 100% ownership.
So McDonald's better here too.
Better supply line.
Burger King crazy.
I'm trying to think of,
I will say Texas Roadhouse while like better here is still dog shit.
Texas Roadhouse used to be really good.
They fell off pretty hard.
You're saying that KFC in Asia is good is pretty mind-blowing to me.
KFC is a.
been just fucking bottom of the barrel, like next to Taco Bell, in my opinion.
I really don't know.
Like, Asians do fried chicken really, really well.
It's like, uh, it's just like universally something that like every Asian country that I've went to.
Like, no matter what their variation of fried chicken is.
I think Asians are just better at frying things.
Like America gets a lot of shit for like frying everything.
But like if you go to Japan, Japan actually fries everything.
Like you will see things that you would previously think,
oh, this is this is like an American fairgrounds food.
And then it's like literally just sold as like an entree in like random Tokyo streets.
Like tempera is basically like you just fry everything you can see.
Like a mushroom, why don't we just fry it?
You know, like lotus root fry it.
Yeah.
Pepper.
Like they have an entire cultural heritage built around, like, being the best fry cooks
ever.
Yeah.
Temper is interesting.
They got it from the Dutch, actually.
Excuse me, the Portuguese.
I don't know why I said Dutch.
Yeah, it sounds.
That makes sense.
Really?
Yeah.
Tempura means it's derived from the Dutch word for egg tempera.
Like if a lot of, like, very old painting, like European paintings are called tempera paintings.
And it's because they, uh,
like the binder for the paint, like the pigment binder was egg yolk.
Have you seen that thing that was like, I saw some right wing guys started to tweet about it,
but it's like how, let's say, fair actually comes from like the Chinese concept,
like the Taoist concepts, and it was translated by the Jesuits.
Yeah.
There's this idea that, yeah, there's this broad idea that the Western Enlightenment,
that the French Enlightenment comes from the Jesuits who went to China in the 1600s and
then brought back the text.
It's actually a lot of interesting, at least a lot of the terms and the symbols were based on that.
Like this idea that you would have a secular workforce, the idea that you would have like a meritocracy of like some kind.
And then also like some of the concepts as well.
Yeah. Because like then like France was obsessed with like Chinese culture, right?
Like that they brought over all like the porcelain, the tea, all the kind of stuff.
So it's quite interesting.
Yeah, a lot of, like, enlightenment philosophies are like kind of, in some sense, like, or in some ways descended from, like, Eastern philosophy.
Chopin-Hauer was really into Buddhism.
So was Nietzsche.
I think, I think, kind of like the Confucianism, if I remember correctly.
Yeah.
Is, was the Enlightenment, like, based or gay?
Yes.
Hmm.
Okay.
One of those.
Truly what truly was a dichotomy there.
The dichot with the Enlightenment.
i think the enlightenment kind of mugged i don't know it was a cool time it was it was definitely a
cool time but there's a i i guess i'm like word selling it thinking about kind of philosophically
there's there's some funny uh i i think a lot of the uh the ship that's weighing the west down
right now especially especially like as we're talking about china um is uh it kind of in
in report in relation to china i think a lot of it's descended from the enlightenment
Geno's hell, son of another great general.
Yeah, it must have been a line of generals.
General town.
Ancient Chinese wisdom.
Your general has to know how to cook chicken properly.
Has to put all the sweet and sour sauce on it for sure.
Otherwise.
But anything about Chinese American food,
like the food in the America that Chinese restaurants serve
is like over time, it just morphs to the American taste.
And then to you end up with like like massive amounts of salt like sweet and sour sauce on everything and it's like nothing is that spicy just becomes sweet.
You know.
Americans don't even really like vinegar at this point.
Like, they don't like, they don't like sour either.
Yeah.
American food has become extraordinarily bland.
There's a, everything's like under-salted, everything, like nothing's acidic
anymore.
The only thing that actually has kind of waxed a bit is spice.
Like things, in my opinion, are a bit spicier than they used to be.
But for the most part, it's like, I think that American flavors have grown a lot less interesting.
Often it's like the fake fraud spice where they take like cap sason crystals and just like put it in some like red colored sauce.
Like it's not even like, oh, we actually have pepper sauce.
Yeah, it's not a particularly good one.
There's this, like, there's all sorts of, like, chains now that, like, specialize in, like, legitimately, like, extraordinarily spicy, like, chicken tenders, for instance.
Like, Dave's hot chicken is everywhere now.
And they sell, like, like, their spiciest tender that you can get there.
Like, you can just walk in.
And it, like, genuinely is, like, kind of dangerous, how spicy that thing is.
Like, I can actually, I can see, like, a normie, like, getting one-shoted by the Reaper and, like, having, like, anaphylactic shock.
kind of reaction because if you're if you're not ready for it like your brain actually can like like psychosomatically like close up your throat like very very like vanishingly few people are actually like allergic to caps a psiocesan it's more of a psychosomatic response if you're just not used to it
That would be really embarrassing to get like one shoted by like the spicy food item at a chain restaurant.
Well, you know the one chip challenge that was floating around?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
Like a like some like 16 year old did it and he choked a death on it.
Like a choked on himself, I should say like his throat closed up.
I feel like we're proper streamers now, Lucas.
I feel like I can define myself as a streamer.
It's pretty cool.
Yeah, I'm going to start saying streamer.
I'm going to start saying homeless streamer instead of homeless podcast or when people
ask me what I do at shit.
I was looking up like, because I have a private IG, but like I get a follow request.
And I got one by someone who apparently is like a like a streamer from like years ago.
Like, she had a huge cancel scandal where she called someone, like she was making fun of someone who had cancer.
And I went back and watched some of her content. It was pretty funny.
But, like, I actually think if she did that now in 2025, like, no one would care.
But, like, back then, like, she called one of her fans.
Like, she was trolling, but she was like, oh, you have cancer.
Oh, like, your wig.
Are you wearing a wig?
Like, blah, blah.
And then, like, she did one, too, where, like, her friend was on the stream.
And then she was, like, because her friend's boyfriend was half black.
And she's like, oh, what kind of chicken does he like?
Does he like Popeyes or KFC?
And she got canceled for those two things.
And then it was, like, pretty funny.
She can probably run it back.
Like all the people who got canceled for just like completely retarded bullshit over the last 10 years.
If they just come back now and they post like a video of like, this is what I was canceled for, L.O.L.
Everyone will be like, oh, dude, that was kind of funny.
Like they can just like resume wherever they left off.
For sure.
Amazing comments.
Look at this.
What is this?
Back to a podcast.
Like, this is kind of funny marketing, right?
Like they basically said, I think our hot sauce is so good that if I, if I give you a little taste, you're going to get hooked.
And like, so like everyone who orders anything, regardless of whether it's hot sauce or like stickers or like tables, you all, you all get hot sauce samplers, right?
And now it's like you're on the train.
Like they got you.
You're hooked.
You're on the line.
Yeah.
This is, it just again goes to show.
If the product is there, if the product stands on its own merit, you can chill it in any way and eventually it will grow.
The mule sauce, huh?
Bring back the ox pot.
The thing is, this is kind of the ox podcast, except like it happens more and we're going to continue adding...
weirder people right like in what way is this different than the ox podcast except now we have
anu and why yoak will you walk we i should never fucking say his name joa quim is it really
joaquim yeah it's joaquin there's no fucking way bro i mean google it i mean yeah it's joe quim
you gonna call me on this
I'm going to start doing like the gym thing.
You're always calling me a first.
I'm going to start just like.
But I guess our podcast had better guess.
I mean,
not better in the sense of like,
like more interesting,
but just like you had like BAP,
you had like delicious tacos.
Yeah.
I mean,
the thing is those guys are going to pop in at some point.
Like Bap City who he's down to hop in like next week or something.
Like I think Spurglar hopping in yesterday got a lot of those,
the guys in that circle being like,
oh wait,
like,
They're chill with us popping on. So I think we'll get some fun people. DT might pop on again too.
He's going to do the thing again though where he says crypto's all scam. Don't invest in any of this.
It's demon money. I mean the nice things that everyone would agree with him now.
If he does this agree with him. Everyone agreed with him back then too, but it's just like
No, I think back then there was still the idea of a meme coin super cycle, this idea that
like everyone will have a meme coin, but they'll all be worth so much.
I don't know. I remember hearing what he was saying and being like, I deeply agree with this at the time, but I might just be projecting like my own personal sentiment onto the rest of the market. I was always sort of like, I think the meme coin thing like winds up with a lot of people killing each other. I couldn't quite like put my finger on why. And now in retrospect, it's obvious why. But yeah.
Trenches are back though. I mean, there's still people trading meme coins.
I mean, they do, I mean, look at this fucking chart, bro.
Like, uh, they're never going to disappear, honestly.
What was the one, what was the one day for this? Like, how much is it up?
Mean coins don't die. They just respawn.
They respawn as utility coins, as AI coins. I'm going to start charting meme coins on the one week.
yeah look at that we're not even back we're not even retesting support yet it can still very
it can still well i guess it actually had that little wick up there so never mind man this is
just two k 4k like how is this possible yeah giga making good moves
sphs looks okay too actually sps i think looks like uh quite good out of all the murad coins
It definitely has the biggest move off the bottom.
And it said like, it said fuck you to the first resistance pretty good, right?
Like it just sliced through this level.
Yeah.
One of the issues for the other Morad coins is that there's that fake Morad list of 40 coins
that he'd never showed, but that got so viral that now people believe that's the real Morad
list and people forget the actual Morad list.
Also because he himself doesn't post the Morad list anymore because
like for obvious reasons and and so now we no longer now we no longer know what is the morad list and so yeah
SPX I think is one of the ones that's like okay it is definitely a maraud coin and it's done well so it's okay
there's an idea of a maraud list
There's only the idea.
Yeah, it's almost like the, almost like the New Testament, like the Gospels.
It's like which one do we include in the list?
And then you just get like the the nosis like people.
So if you like now like now you end up with like people think that at least there's
these five big coins that people think are Morad coins.
Like if you ask people in the trenches, they're like that's a Morac coin.
SPX trying to simulate PS2 vibes.
Yeah.
The aesthetic is a bit like PS2.
Dude, I moved my entire 401k into Bitcoin puppets at like 0.01.02.
And that was simultaneously like the dumbest and smartest thing that I've ever done.
My family seethed at that one.
Like that was one where it's like every woman in my family wanted that to not work really hard.
Like they really wanted that to not work.
But it really worked.
Like it really, really worked.
I don't even think I've sold like half of them and it was still such a massive gain.
Moving my family is superannuation funded the Cripsa.
What should I buy?
Probably like sold 40%, Bitcoin 40%, and then random stuff 20%.
Probably do that.
That's really good.
Moving superannuation and crypto.
Very, very based.
What is the Vitalik news everyone's saying?
Vitalik and JFK.
I think he's just trolling.
Because I think Vitalik is way after JFK's time.
So are you on the CIA?
No, not anymore.
I thought SPX was trying to revive rave flyers and Jinkos.
Yeah.
Try to pin this.
My radio.
Vitalik is married had a tiny wedding last year, keeping it on the down low.
That would- That's like a good conspiracy theory.
Like Vitalik secretly married, like secret Vitalik wife.
Like this can be the new meta of conspiracy theories in like an in-cell dominated age
is like, no, bro, he's secretly married.
Like no dude, he's got a wife.
Like he's got a fucking wife.
He's a down low wife guy, dude.
Like we have fake cell, true cell, full cell.
Latelik is ready to be a JD Vance meme at this point.
Maybe.
He's looking for something to kind of latch on to, I feel like.
He is, he is.
He hasn't tweeted in like weeks now, right?
Yeah, the last one was on March 1st.
I just checked.
As far as like until he did not kill JFK, but the jury's still out.
That's crazy.
Maybe in the future Ethereum figures out time travel and that's how he sells it.
He goes back in time.
You mean he goes back in time and sells you?
Yeah, you know, he goes back in time to kill JFK.
And that's, and that's like the proof of it.
He's like, hey, guys, remember that thing?
And then he streams himself doing it.
Like, he uploads a video to YouTube from the grassy knoll.
Like, that's why no one could find the grassy knoll shooters
because they literally worked back into the future.
Oh, that makes telling.
It was Vitalik the whole time.
i've been recently looking at like mandela effects where like the things you think are true
but then you check and they're not it's actually a sign not that your memory is bad but that we have
like we live in a glitch simulation and then these are the cracks in the glitch
yeah or like some kind of like collapse of like uh some like collapse of like super positions
like collapse of like the universal probability function
It just happens to be about, like, who killed JFK or, like, what the name of the bears from that one children's not.
Bear and Stairs.
Yeah, yeah.
Am I back? Can you guys hear me?
Yeah, we can hear you.
Amazing.
Oh, yeah.
We got that, we got that 16 kilobytes per second type shit going on.
For me, the funniest example of like Mandela effect for people too is like,
like based on when they paid the most attention to my story,
they think I'm in like Dubai or like in Bali.
And so I'll have like some guys be like, are you still in Bali?
And they'll be like, are you still in Dubai? And it's like,
They're referencing off like three years ago.
There's like three zoo zoos.
The craziest thing about like Sue is that I will have random people come up to me and like insist that Sue is hiding in Dubai and that he can't leave the country because he will be arrested by like XYZ like United Nations forces.
That's that.
And I'm just like.
And I'm like I have.
He's this clever.
There is just the idea of one.
Yeah.
If you.
If you.
I am, I am,
it's honestly like a mythical concept, if you think about it.
Like, I'm not saying I'm a mythical concept,
but I'm saying, like, the idea of, like,
what is a person?
Like, because I think if you just, like,
fix it, like, the iconography of, like,
the Zuzu of, like, 2023 or, 2020.
Like, I think they,
they don't want to update the prior because if they're,
like, this iconography is, like,
is, like, so, it's so, like, um,
distinct that updating it would be like unfortunate it's like when you have like a like a teen
singer that you like in your younger age and then you look up how they look now like holy
shit that they're like 48 years old or something or they're like you know like that that's what
i am you know so these guys it's so they're like oh like i want to remember him like this or like that
Do you think those earlier Sue's or those other versions of you,
do you think they're higher or lower versions?
Do you feel more realized now?
I think they're all pretty solid versions, honestly.
They're all pretty powerful.
They're all pretty good.
Yeah, like, remember that thread?
There was like, there was some AI stop thread like a few weeks ago that was like,
oh, Sue is still in jail.
And I was just like, okay.
And then this one got like actually a decent amount of retweets.
But I'm just like, we really live in this amazing age of hyper-information.
Maybe he's right.
Like, maybe you are still in jail.
But it's like a philosophical sense.
Like you're the prisoner in the sense that you're kind of like rattling the bars of
like possibility.
And like the true realization is yet to be realized.
I mean, in this case, he's like saying he's like actually still in like a specific jail.
No, he's just speaking very, very metaphorically.
I think it's because also like all the content we do,
it doesn't actually hit the weights of like mainstream media, right?
So it's hitting these weights of like undercurrent where it's like all the parts of the internet that are not indexed by LMs or like not indexed properly.
And so you get this thing where it's just the wild west.
Yeah, you're creating this like like Kyle Davies is the funniest.
Yeah.
too because they're like what is a Kyle Davies where is he because he wasn't if when when uh when uh when I
first learned of you like years ago from Lucas man I googled you and I found your Wikipedia article
and then I saw uh I saw the hyperlink to Kyle Davies and I clicked it and it was like going through
it was like passing through like a dream catch or something because it just went right to the three
arrows page I was like wait
Who is Kyle Davies?
It's like the, the dude's kind of scrubbed a bit.
It's like it's actually hard to find information on him.
Yeah, because I think there's this, yeah, it's quite, it's quite interesting.
SPF as a guess, yeah, I honestly was thinking a really good, I don't know if he'll do it or if he'd be allowed, but imagine if he was like teaching like undergrad physics or something or like just doing something totally random.
Non-crypto because I honestly think people will get mad to hear SBF's views on crypto, but I think if he went like Kaczynski style
pivoted it it'd be a lot better
Yeah, pull like some like life after the game grift kind of deal
He needs to write like yeah yeah exactly he needs to write like a manifesto or something and then you can build a cult around that at least
He's a weirdly charismatic fellow. I think that the entire
the entire like FtX Griff like rested upon his charisma if anything and
Yeah, he has a very good, I mean, he was very generous.
He was very good at doing like quid pro quo type business and inspiring people to like come into his fold.
Like he, like you felt like he would make you rich if you did business with him.
That was his superpower.
Gotcha.
I think.
Whenever I would hear him speak in the past, I think he was more nervous, but he would reflect, he would project a very high IQ on you.
But there was like an anxiousness to it, but I think that now actually he speaks better than he used to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The trick with the prison will make a man out of you, I suppose.
there's there's like a trick with charisma where like you can you can really strongly play to an audience
like you don't uh like typically when you say like even like the word like oh charisma like someone
imagines like uh uh you know like uh like Clyde Berry or like a Clint Eastwood or someone like that
um like typical like leading man charisma you know but like charisma is uh very occasional um in the
sense that it relies upon like specificity of occasions um
and like that kind of like neurotic anxiousness actually can be like extremely powerful way of
ingratiating yourself um especially if like uh because i remember seeing like uh his uh his ads and everything
back during like uh like 20 21 and 2022 that he was or not really ads i suppose but like exposés
that he was doing with um like certain youtube channels and certain news channels as well uh work with like the
effective altruism thing he was into like oh how he uh
He, how he drove like, some like, like, he drove like a corolla or something like that.
You know, basically.
Yeah, the humble billionaire thing.
Like that plus like kind of like the neurotic, like anxious persona, I think is actually like just an insanely like powerful way of like genuinely selling.
It is.
Yeah.
is selling to people like, you know, like the humble billionaire thing.
Because it's like it's one thing when like, like, imagine like back to like the leading man analogy, you have like Bradley Cooper trying to say.
It's like, oh, yeah, dude, I've just driving my corolla around.
It's like it's just it doesn't match the personage.
You know, it just it just doesn't fit.
He gave me this idea of like the effective altruist, humble, like focus on improving the world.
And that was the message, I think.
Yeah, like almost without ego.
And like, it's hard to sell like a lack like a lack of an ego like with.
by coming on strong, you know?
Yes, exactly.
If you're a little simpering about it,
then I think people just unconsciously buy it.
Or they're way more tangential too.
Sure, sure, sure.
Lucas says he's locked out.
He's backstage on his own stream.
I don't know how we can fix that.
I don't know.
It's over.
I'm wondering if it's like a party in an MMO
where it just like passes someone lead,
but it's random.
Yeah.
I don't see I don't see any new buttons.
Let me see what is he's talking about him on teller.
It's not a on the chat, maybe just to you.
You guys didn't say anything.
Yeah, I can't do anything.
Ah, in the private chat.
Lucas says I have to give you guys hosts that needs to be shared.
I'm saying things. Listen to me. I'm here.
Wow.
It's like, Lucas is trapped in the fourth dimension.
We've got to, like, beam him back.
He's stuck in the fucking silicon right now.
He's stuck in the wallboards.
He's stuck in the wallboards.
He can hear us.
It's like at the end of Interstellar.
He's, like, yelling at us, trying to get us to come back, but we can't hear him.
Yeah.
Okay.
He seems to, I'm in the elevator.
He seems to be implying that he's going to tell us how to,
how to save him, but he hasn't said yet.
I'm worried that he's the plan.
I think it's because he's on his,
he's on his phone.
He's going to go in the elevator and go back to his computer and do it.
Ah, I see.
That's what I think he's saying.
So, yeah.
Burning questions, Sue.
Back to the Chinese cars thing.
I've been dwelling on it a bit.
I've lived in America all my life, right?
Like I'm like monolingal, you know, typical like Ameripa's and shit.
But I, my only like exposure to Chinese products, frankly, is, like, you know, the whole
Chineseem thing, you know, like kind of just like low quality shit.
Is that like changing meaningfully?
Like, because I've seen like a lot of ads for like BYD's cars.
I don't know the models well enough to know which one I was actually looking at, but.
the features that they boast are like pretty insane.
And then like there's the price tag drop and it's kind of like a mind blow, you know?
But like American priors are such that you kind of just assume that like those features like plus that price tag is like it's going to, it's going to be like a Flintstone's car or something.
It's just going to like fall apart on the road.
Right.
Like are these are these vehicles like?
Yeah, are they like on par with Tesla in terms of like felt quality and everything?
Because like Lucas was referring that from like the curb weight and everything.
Yeah, I think they are.
I mean, I think the thing is like, I mean, first of all, most things in America are made in China like anyways, right?
Like 80% of things.
So yeah, there's almost no such thing as like an American made product because the
manufacturing was outsourced in the 80s and 90s.
It's just a matter of like, is it a Chinese product with an American logo on it or is it a Chinese product with a Chinese logo on it for the most part?
But I think these cars, I think what the Chinese electric car companies have done is they've just like crushed the costs of marketing, crush the efficiencies.
And they're, you know, people, because China's more deflationary as well, like people don't need to be paid that much.
Like execs don't earn that much.
Yeah.
Shareholders also don't get that much compared to like.
You know, like they don't use the money for buybacks and stuff.
So it's just like the companies aren't as profitable, but they can sell you way cheaper products.
That's why like in China, there's this meme now.
Like if you're a celebrity in China and then you want to like make some money, you open a top off store and you sell your followers like random products.
You know, because products are so cheap.
you can just mark it up with your brand and say, hey, you can buy my perfume or buy my shampoo, right?
Yes, get like a crazy margin on it.
Yeah, you put a crazy margin on it.
People are like, even with the margin, I can still afford it.
Whereas in the U.S., they'll launch a meme coin if they're a celebrity because they can't mark up a product enough because the products are already overpriced.
Yeah.
Yeah, I guess like...
I'm in I'm in some like trad-fi circles like a like IRL and everything so like the general attitude is that like all these like like especially amongst like the Tesla bowls that I know like their their attitude regarding like the Chinese EV companies that like it's basically like oh like it's all like it's all like a like a scam or like a short term scam in the sense that they're basically just trying to like
muscle out as much market share.
It's like Ethereum at least, right?
Like they're trying to like muscle out as much market share as they possibly can just by like
unsustainably cutting costs and everything.
And then like once Tesla is out of business, then they're going to like, if
they're going to absolutely like skyrocket the prices to like uh let like even
to be more expensive than teslas were in the first place right before they undercut them
um but i just don't i i think that that's like an artifact well in the first place is like an
artifact of like the tesel holder cope uh and kind of pseudo cope it's like
so they need to believe in things
Yeah, exactly. But like the more like the more basic cope is just like you can apply like that same logic or rather America.
Americans in general, I think apply that same logic like Chinese companies in general.
It's like they're like unsustainably cost cutting.
It's like all like a fudge operation on the part of like the CCP or something like that.
Yeah.
Lucas is back.
It was horrifying.
We were worried about you.
You got trapped.
Yeah, yeah, I did not expect.
Every other time I've done that, it's been totally fine.
But this time it decided he was going to kick me off when I went down the elevator.
Like a weird cutoff.
It's like floor 21.
They just like boot you.
Your ass is grass.
Gone.
Is that 21 an unlucky number in Taiwan?
Like 13 is in the U.S.
I guess.
Like I think it's only for this building.
I wonder if there's a connection here.
Did someone die on floor 21?
I just assume that there's some weird mesh net handoff.
Like they split it into like upper and lower in the building.
Probably.
But yeah, I don't know.
I don't know what we were saying.
The last thing I heard was like Tesla cars.
Are they as good as Chinese cars or worse?
But like, dude, I...
I don't know, like Tesla cars for that first gen, it was like truly hilarious, uh,
oh yeah, they were,
they were really experimental.
Like, uh, I, I, my, my buddy's dad got like, uh, like, uh, like literally like a four digit serial
number three in like 2017.
and that thing still like rattles around.
It has like shit that like came off or that they just like like a wrench that they like left in the door frame or something like that.
Yeah, like you find Allen keys all over.
Like you take the panels out after like you get into a minor collision and just like shits out like four Alan wrenches.
It's like held together by paper clips.
Yeah.
But no, I was just asking Sue about like because like the American, the provincial like American perception and like.
right or wrong is it's definitely wrong at this point it's just like everything that comes out of
china is like crap scammy like chineseium whatever um so like when i when an american sees like
there's still like a big challenge and like actually like marketing i feel like a chinese
ev to an american audience um because they just see like oh my god like it's got like it's got like
20 screens it's all computer 15 000 dollars and they look at they look at like Tesla is like
they're probably the best reference they have or like they can even yeah
i mean if you look at what happened with japanese cars entering the american market was the same
they would say japanese products are shit blah blah blah yeah now they're now they're a mainstay
and now they're mainstay you saw the same thing with like korean cars too like when kia and
hundai first came in they're like oh man these cars are like shit whatever and then now
hundai sonata is a good solid car in that camera class yeah if the product stands you know
Yeah, that's kind of the thing.
And it's, I think sometimes this kind of stuff actually feeds the marketing because it's like,
if you have a good product because it's like if you see the car is so cheap like this couldn't
possibly be so cheap you would save so much money driving the scam then like you know if you're like
shopping for cars like i want to try how bad this car is i'm told this car is so bad and they go test
drive it like okay just buy you know like money talk so i think there's also like a little like go ahead
Yeah, it's not a bad guerrilla marketing for cost to have people say that this thing is impossibly cheap.
Like, so scammie cheap.
Like that dumping mechanism, like that dumping analogy is super bullish for Chinese car companies.
Because if people, if Tesla owners all say that, wow, they're keeping the prices unfairly cheap for these cars.
Mm-hmm.
Like, then the assumption is that you should buy one to benefit from this cheapness, right?
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, it was the same thing with like the, when EVs in general got like all the subsidies
during the Biden period.
Like I mean, my parents both got hybrids during that time because they were like, why not?
Like I'm getting like $18,000 off of this car or something retarded.
Like why would I not do this?
Bit Boy, Mark Shite his own.
This is kind of cool.
Bit Boy, honestly, like, he's kind of a, like, bizarrely likable guy to me at this point.
Yeah.
I heard, I heard from some of the guys, some of the streamer boys down in LA that apparently he showed up at their house one day, like knocking on the door and someone who is staying with them, like didn't, they were like, I guess maybe someone has a meeting with Bitboy.
So they let Bitboy in.
And then Bitboy was like.
You guys got to help me tell my story.
Nobody else is helping me tell my story.
Listen to this.
And then he started playing like a recorded phone call.
It was like a 35 minute recorded phone call and he's sitting there like looking at all
of them and they're all like silently looking back at him.
And he just sits there for like 35 minutes while this phone call recording goes on and
nobody knows what to do.
He's just there and eventually like they're like okay well yeah like I'm sorry and then at some point he leaves but like that's sort of like an insane magging in in many ways right like you invite yourself into someone's house and like you get them to like listen to your like sad story and they can't do anything about it right like it's like the Sam Hyde bit.
He used to write books, right?
I think he wrote a book about crypto and Bitcoin.
He also had like, he was on some panel.
He tried to say he was on some panel pushing crypto adoption in the US.
Well, and the dude also, like that fight that he had with, like, you, like, I just don't, like, I wouldn't want to fight Bitboy, right? Like, he has, he has like the weasel god scrapper energy within him. Like, you may win the fight, but like, I think he will hurt you, right? Like, you probably will not get out of a fight with Bitboy unscathed. He's probably going to land like a haymaker and you're just going to be like, God damn it. Like, I should have just fucking shut my mouth. Like, this wasn't worth it.
Yeah, I agree.
Yeah.
Pretty beefy punches, too, in general.
Yeah, like this.
It's this exact energy.
Again, with all caps guy coming in with just fucking bomber comments.
Like, he's a human honey badger.
It is that exact energy.
Like, I would not fuck with a honey badger.
Even if I think I can kill a honey badger in the end,
I know that I am going to live like a very painful next two months after the fight with the honey badger.
Well, he's also lost like a hundred pounds or something like that.
And he has that, it's, you know how like when a bear gets like insanely fat for like hibernation?
And then it comes out and it's lost all its weight.
But you can still tell it's like a bear, you know?
Like his like, his like basic shape like hasn't changed.
Like he's like he literally puts on weight and loses it like a bear, it seems.
Yeah, like it's like this weird, you know, we were talking about how like you need to, here, I need to move Sue's thing up. I think I've hidden him behind the comments. Oh, there he's back. But it's like the thing where like there are some people who like they're perma fat just because they don't believe in themselves as being anything other than fat. And like BitBoy is impressive because like you can tell like.
He doesn't believe in himself as any, any, like, uh, size.
Like he's like, I can just change this.
Like, I will become, I will become 150 pounds heavier.
I will become 150 pounds lighter.
Like, it means nothing.
Like, it's just numbers to me, right?
The gray maybe.
Yeah.
These people are actually really good to coach, too.
Like, if you have someone who's like pulled a bunch of like transitions like this,
like you can usually get them in really, really fucking good shape in like six months.
Yeah.
It's a very dynamic kind of person.
Yeah.
You also pivoted from being like the most hated person in crypto to being like a main character again, but also hated for like different reasons.
And then pivoting again.
Uh, like to being a different main character and then also still hated.
But like, you know, it's impressive in that he continues to keep finding relevance, even with so many people saying like he's cooked, it's over.
No one will ever pay attention to him ever again.
But like, we just can't stop.
Like, you cannot, you cannot stop looking at, like, the Bit Boy show, right?
He knows that everyone loves a villain.
I believe it's called bipolar.
Okay, well, maybe a little bearish.
Might be a bearish comment on the Bit Boy thing there.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure he probably can, like, uh, like I wouldn't be surprised if he could put up, like, three plates or something like that.
I remember a video of him benching, like, two and it wasn't, like, super smooth.
I think it was like two and a half, but, uh,
Yeah.
I'm so jealous of those people, man.
Just like the like the magically strong people.
I knew a guy his very first time ever benching, he pressed two plates.
Like that, that's kind of cool.
Like he had never like he had like not even like his first time benching.
It was like his first time like lifting period.
I think I started off at like one.
I think I started at one.
I was like gigatwink mode though.
Gigat twink mode starting at one is pretty good.
I've always been like relatively wiry like wire maxed.
Is Aptus guy in the office?
Aptos guy is in the office.
He's out there chatting with Kyle about...
I think they're talking about some sort of like integrations and whatnot and fun with the
Aptos team.
Obviously, integrations can't be like super hard on chain given that it's a sex.
But there's probably something fun we can do.
Like I like the idea of working pretty heavily with like a sort of underdog L1.
Like I like I like Avalanche a lot, but they appear to be going almost like entirely after like
industrial clients, I guess.
They have that meme coin structure.
No chill.
Yeah, they have the meme coin fund.
But they've not really engaged super hard with CT and it doesn't sound like they have
It doesn't sound like they have a huge desire to.
They are going after gaming, which honestly, like, I'm getting more bullish on like anything
that is going after gaming this last year just because it seems like gaming is at like a
local bottom in that the industry probably the industry probably could be like shaken up a lot
right now.
And I don't know who's going to be like the benefactor of that shakeup, but like it just, it
just cannot continue the way that it is.
So like someone new is going to get the pie.
Maybe.
I don't know.
I kind of think, like, play-to-earn, gaming,
crypto gaming is kind of close because
gaming is competitive already.
And then a lot of stuff is, like, free to play,
and then you, like, you know, play to earn.
But you don't have this ability to, like,
just, like, you cannot just, like, create a game through hype, right?
Like, you have to, like, compete in those normal economics.
And then when you add the token on,
it changes gameplay in a way that's, like,
like most crypto products try to do the flywheel where the token price like you use the token
price to get attention so you just can't do that like the issue with like the issue with like
tokens and games and everything is that we've actually been doing it for like a very long time like
a like a world of warcraft has had a crypt has had like a token in it as long as it's existed
because people have been fucking doing real money transactions with for gold in that game
for as long as it's existed.
Same with like Roomscape, like any of these games.
Like they aren't like actual tokens in like the cryptocurrency sense,
but it's like the underlying premise is like the game itself is just like fun to play.
And then like people will people will just like implicitly value the in game currency.
That is like the medium of the value that they put into the game, just implicitly.
You know?
Exactly.
The game itself just has to be fun.
It has to be game first.
You're never going to pull in anyone but like scammers basically with a token first,
I think.
So why do we think that nobody has basically just forked OSRS and like added
like said, okay, all the tokens are backed by something.
What is it backed by?
I don't know.
But like let's let's just seat it with like a million dollars globally across all coins and then see where it goes.
Can you fork OSRS?
I don't know if it's open source in that way.
I don't know anything about private old school servers.
There's a lot of Chinese guy could definitely spin up like their own instance of like OSRS and just say this is crypto now.
Right.
Like I guess I guess.
Maybe it hasn't been done because it's hard, but like if this was done, do you think it would succeed?
Because OSRS already has like enough of like an actual market in that like there is still friction between buying like an asset on there, like an item in the game.
And like, you know, it's not as easy as just you plug in your credit card and you buy it from the game itself.
But like you can just go and buy the gold in many ways and then buy whatever you want with the gold after getting it.
Yeah.
So like it's decently liquid.
Like it's a decently liquid market.
Would it work if they were to do that?
How's we going, buddy?
We got a aptos guy.
Aptos guy just got.
So camera is like over.
It ends like right here.
Yeah, you can chill out over there.
And Aptos looking good here.
We've got a secondary mark.
Yeah.
Aptos guy.
Cool. We've got APDOS guy on my second mic. Good thing. I have an interface with two mics.
We got, uh, we got Anu and we got Sue.
Oh, so. I was just speaking to Kyle. So. Yeah. Big plans for APDOS integrations coming up here.
Yes, yes. I have a, I guess, stage fright or something. No, it's good. It's, uh, it's always, uh, there's not really a reason to be on camera unless you're like some sort of like weird freak narcissist or something.
No, we talked. I have a, I have a plan to docks.
but now is not the voice docs is cool but it's gonna be more dramatic for the video docs so
oh wow you're gonna do it reveal what's up he said you said uh hello what fuck
i'm just gonna wait until sue starts talking again okay says whatever he said a dramatic reveal
would be funny i think it's a good do you remember do you remember the soul dry docs
Where it was like this big like 90 minute like tropical video of him and like all these different scenarios leading up to like the final
Revealing of his face behind like the pixelation and stuff like that
Yeah, he was on the beach, right? I think I remember seeing his docks
Yeah, yeah, someone's saying
Yeah, go do a morning routine
Morning routine for your reveal
I'll pick out where more left off he used to do like those
I don't know if it was officially the getting ready with me, but he used to like put his clothes and do his hair and stuff like that on camera.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The E-girl prep videos.
Just some straight, yeah.
E-girls in tech.
That was, uh...
It's a nice view you have.
Yeah, no, it's actually like a ridiculous, ridiculous mug out here, like just the mountains
in the background.
I should put like another camera on where you can just see Taipei in the background.
You should pan the, well, maybe don't want to docks your location, so.
I know, that's the other thing is like it's like live streaming with like a, here's like
my exact GPS coordinates.
Like.
I do always wonder, like, how do those guys with like millions of followers on Twitch or something
like walk around with like, they have like a lithium ion backpack powering like their modem
and like their, they have their phone just and they just like, like, sometimes they get stream
rated, but it's very rare that anyone like tries to like kill them or like rob them.
I feel pretty good in Asia.
Like, yeah.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't do this like, I mean.
This would be rough in New York.
This would be rough in New York.
I wouldn't location docs in New York.
If I was location doxing in Asia, yeah, a little bit different, I think.
But again, obviously there's people that I think there's some expression in Latin America.
I forget it in Spanish, but it's like the translation is like the boys that kill for a dollar.
And like they definitely exist.
There's people who will kill you for a dollar in parts of the world.
And like this is not one of them.
At least it might be I don't know this is one of the only Asian countries I've like lost something in and had it not returned to me like I actually lost my wallet on the subway and like I just forgot it there and I was like oh like it's just going to come back right?
And it never did, which is like, that's nuts.
Like I've lost so many ridiculous things in Japan, like things that it's like in America, like you lose like your Macbook or something.
Like it's just gone.
There's no hope of ever getting this back.
And in Japan somehow like.
someone finds your phone number and calls you to like personally deliver your MacBook back
and you're just like, huh?
Yeah, that's like a cherry on top.
I wouldn't, I wouldn't expect that.
I mean, I still think it's like retarded to leave your backpack places.
It's objectively retarded.
I would recommend nobody as a strategy go around like leaving their MacBooks on trains, right?
Unless you're making a YouTube video, then you can farm the ad driver.
Yeah, like the Mr. The Mr. Beast video of like, I left 32 MacBooks on trains in like different cities in the U.S. and you'll never guess what I found.
Yeah, yeah.
That would actually be a pretty decent one.
Like one day, like he can do that at some point in the next year or two before the time period where like literally everyone in the U.S. is living in some sort of like wacky eye.
Like.
like some sort of like a squid game contraption concocted by mr beast such that uh you know if you
survive for 50 days in this house in the middle of the woods that like is allegedly haunted and you
get like a million dollars or something like before we're all living in that
That actually, now that I'm saying it, that sounds like a more realistic case for like how UBI in America goes than like the government doing it, right?
Like the government will not give you UBI.
Mr. Beast will give you UBI.
Yeah, I'm in the Mr. Beast concentration camp.
Yeah.
It's looking good here.
So we're getting the ad revenue payout.
It's like just some Dow or something.
We're going to pay it out.
Yeah, that's good.
Like everybody's in a fish bowl.
Like you get the UBI, but you have to be like live streaming it, right?
Like you're not allowed to collect payments unless your camera is on at least 18 hours
to-day.
You have to smash the subscribe button and fucking hit that like button to get paid out.
Yeah.
You have to motivate people to smash the subscribe button.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah.
So Avax, man, everyone is, everyone is fudding Avax.
Avax got from a potential Solana to a gay ecosystem.
That's a rough comment.
I used to believe in Avax in 2021 that I grew up.
That's also a rough comment.
But the thing is, I think all of us may have had an experience with that.
What's the case of Avax?
I spoke to Luigi, but I actually don't know a ton.
So I don't actually know a ton, but like, uh, they pivoted like this.
They pivoted like this.
They pivoted like this.
Yeah, actually I don't know what's on.
Well, so the thing is I think that like the L1 tech is good.
And I do think that like app chains as like, uh, like a direction that like blockchain goes is probably good because it.
I mean, we're seeing this now, right?
If you have a successful consumer app, what actually is the motivation for, uh,
like using someone else's chain.
Like if you capture a high enough percentage of traffic of like a given chain,
you should just make your own chain and capture 100% of it, right?
Like you can just rip all of the other users off of their chain onto your thing if you're good enough.
And so like a lot of a lot of people who are like actually looking at making good apps or thinking like,
wait, I should just do it all my own.
Like it should just be fully vertical.
And like Avax's idea is basically like yeah, like every app just gets its own chain.
We're going to make validation easy.
We're going to make this whole process like seamless and you'll be able to bridge between one like one app chain to another app chain fairly easily.
I do think that's a good idea.
Do I can I technically verify that like they are capable of doing this?
No, I'm like way too retarded.
I'm not like a dev cell.
So like I'm just trusted.
You have to look like you know photography.
Yeah.
The problem is you just can't LARP like you know cryptography on Twitter.
That's true.
Because you'll get like 32 like X Ethereum Foundation people responding with like long things about like,
you can just do what I do.
And anytime there's a hack of any like scale whatsoever, you just say like move fixes this or something.
Yeah, that's a good way.
Yeah, Avax fixes this.
Whatever.
Actually, if you get your backpack stolen, like we're doing like a Mr. Beast video, you're just like yeah, like move fixes this or something.
Yeah.
The, uh, so we got this guy saying thoughts on Pocod.
Pocodot is left in the last cycle.
Pocod, brother, it's time to move on.
As to, Sue, wasn't he like the biggest like Pocod's goal or something?
He invested a lot.
So what do you think about Pocodot?
Is it looking good here or about here?
Who has killed his camera?
Oh, he's back.
It's kind of cooked.
I think the problem is that-
Yeah, well, I think the problem is that you have to buy the slots,
the apps don't want to buy the slots and security-wise, they don't really care.
Yeah, also Rust is a problem.
People not really, develop with communities,
not really building out.
I think Kusama is also a problem because there's like dot and Kusama.
So projects would like launch on Kusama and then realize they don't even need to launch
and book it up.
But yeah, I mean, I haven't bought the room at least.
Like don't they have like some sort of like slush fund where it's like if you,
some people can get enough votes to basically like pay themselves a few million to like
sponsor a jet or something?
Does that exist or is that just like fun and I'm like retarded?
I think it's just fun.
I mean, they have a big marketing budget, but like all L1s do.
Do they spend it worse than most?
Yeah, that is mind-blowing.
Like, if you actually get some information about like, some L1s, you, like, they have
more of a budget than like most like second world countries.
They have a bigger like, bigger money to play around with.
It's pretty, it's pretty fascinating.
But some of them are super stingy, so.
Some of them, you know, where we're...
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of weird that people would fight it for spending a lot on marketing
because actually you would want them to try to market.
Like, it's way worse if they just actually just keep it themselves and then don't even market, right?
Yeah, I mean, we have so many examples of chains that have actually just spent nothing on marketing.
They should be using it aggressively.
Yeah, like it literally doesn't matter how much tech you have.
Like you can have the greatest tech in the universe, but like study Cosmos.
Listen, hypothetically, if I was like taking control of a layer one, I would pay all of the Philippines to make 10 Twitter accounts and bullposts me.
with four-day profile pictures among other things crypto twitter is just not that big like if you
actually did like a dedicated like blitzkrieg ad campaign that's what that's what people thought
that i was doing what the app was looking good here they're like bro how many how many like people
did you hire it's like post i was like no like that's just me it's just like going through every day like
I had like 800 or a thousand comments in one day or something.
You get like, you get like an AI plug in to start handling the comments for you and you wind
up like accidentally leaving pictures on like a bunch of only fan girls like asshole close-up
picks.
Like Aptos looking good here, bro.
Like Aptos is looking so good here.
I had some mutuals.
I had some mutuals that were pretty funny.
Like obviously my algorithm is like super catered to the app that is looking good here.
So I'd see like every single one of them.
And I had people commenting under like like National Geographic.
It was just like nothing to do with crypto.
And it was just like fucking hippos.
And somebody commented like after it was looking good here, had like two or three likes.
I'm like, well, I wonder who actually got this joke.
That's funny.
But it's kind of played out.
But you know.
It plays into kind of the hated, the kind of hated rally that I'm going for.
So it really gets under people's skin now.
They're like, bro, the joke is dead.
Like it's done.
Like, like, let it die.
But, you know, I didn't, I didn't even create that joke.
Nobody created any joke, right?
But you did it best, which means that you created it.
Like history will remember you as creating the joke.
You can go out and say you didn't create it as many times as you want.
Maybe there's like a know your meme article one day about Aptos looking good here.
And the guy who actually created is going to be like seethingly editing it every four weeks being like, it wasn't actually created by Aptos guy.
Like I made it.
Like I was the one that started this.
And then like some other guy is going to come in.
I feed.
whatever.
Yeah, yeah.
I created this.
Yeah.
Callback from finance.
Yeah, maybe I should just start saying I created it so I can get like,
I don't know. This cycle sort of like did away with provenance as a concept, right? Like it's the same thing with tickers. There was the idea early on that like, oh, this coin was launched first. Like this was the first one. So it must be best. And everyone just decided, well, like, I don't know. I didn't like this one. It was bad. So like we're doing this new one instead. This is the one now. It's like when everybody was bridging to B&B and, uh,
like zee's had people trying to buy like 17 different fucking broclies and people are like no this
one's the real one because it has like caps on it or like oh this is the real one because uh you know
who knows like this was this was on like this person's feed or this person anyways it's just
it is interestingly how do you how do you solve that problem with coin dilution right not to
show aptos too hard but you know does aptos solve the problem yeah yeah i mean actually like
with emoji coin there are these like non duplicate emoji tickers there's only one american flag or only one
one of each emoji like combination.
So there is no such thing as a,
like you don't need to paste a contract address.
It's just like you just buy the emoji, right?
Which is obviously like more kind of normie coded, right?
Like, Normies are not gonna paste,
like they didn't even know what a contract address is.
It just looks like gibberish.
And obviously all these coins at different supply standards and
So you know, you know, they're not looking at market cap or FDV, right?
Which is like kind of the, well, now they kind of are starting to kind of look at that, which is bearish, right?
Because you want them to like, you want pricing diagnostic buyers, right?
Yeah.
So you want them to buy it like like all the people buy well, basically all the people buying XRP.
Like, they don't know it's like a quarter of a trillion dollar asset, you know, they're just buying into it because they think they can go to $200 or $2,000, which obviously like if that actually happened, it would absorb the world's GDP.
You know, hey, it might happen. Who knows? So if you believe enough.
you know i'm like very against like fading the like uh retard normie pile on like after after the
doge coin thing it's i even get kind of selfie about it but it is those are the people like
you you want you want a pathway for those people to buy your coin or else your coin is not going to hit
escape velocity
So catering to those people was actually a good strategy.
So American Spirit is saying they just spent it in such an inefficient way.
I think that's why people hated it.
Which L1 are you referring to here?
Because I can actually think I can actually think of like 32 that have spent marketing budgets in such an inefficient way that things got hated.
I think that's the other thing that like really pissed people off to is like,
You know, when you're an up only season, everyone really fucking loves when you're like doing big marketing spends and stuff because they attribute the pumps to that.
But like when you're going down, you like you kind of, I mean, what do you say?
Like you say like we're going to stop all of our marketing spend.
But now like all the people are holding the coin or getting mad.
They're like, fuck, like you should just give me the marketing money because like I didn't sell soon enough.
We need to.
We need to petition finance to remove the sell button when my coin goes down.
Make it, yeah, like the BitMex update, right?
Like the servers are on pause right now.
People, whenever that it's funny, I wouldn't even look at the chart and I would know
like which direction it was going because people would ask me like it would basically
go from it.
If the chart was going up, they'd say after it's looking good here.
And if the chart was going down, they would say, bro, is Afto still looking good here?
That's how I would know like if the chart was going up or down in that day.
Yeah.
So Oupy is saying if there is a point where Murat is absolutely right.
That is the fact that tech is nonsense.
The token price is the only thing that matters.
Sorry, I misread this completely.
Is right that is the fact that tech is a nonsense to token price.
The only things that matter is marketing slash culture on the token.
I don't, I like really do think we're pivoting towards the point where like that is kind of true, but also what will matter is like if the token actually is revenue generating, like people will buy a revenue generating token that goes up.
Yeah, there's definitely some return to utility.
Like people, I think, I think there's just too much.
I don't want to say mean to die.
I don't think they will, but like.
There's just a lot of fatigue.
Like people don't want to buy some shitter and then have to rotate out a bit five hours later or like go to sleep and they're like, please don't be down 80% when I wait.
There just are not that many people who want to be like buying a new like 20 market cap shitter like every four minutes, right?
Like it's really it's actually fatiguing.
You know, like you can only sustain this through like copious overuse of amphetamines.
And like on a like the market literally has a physical biological fatigue built into that because like people with buck broken by like too many Jets.
It's pretty funny.
Well, like you actually cannot consume enough elemental magnesium that you can maintain this level of like amphetamine use for a prolonged period of time.
Right.
Like at some point you actually will just crash and go to bed.
And like if that happens when your entire net worth isn't a coin that's like getting like single stacked, like you know, it's just you're just done with the market forever.
You're like I am never participating in this sort of thing ever again.
Yeah, I'm going to do that one day when I get like 40% of the APDOS supply bumble if I'm
just going to like single candle it.
Okay.
So Netocracy is saying which L1 doesn't blow money and misappropriate funds.
And you're, I assuming you're going to say APDOS and you're going to explain to me why
now, right?
What was the comment?
It was a which L1 doesn't blow money and misappropriate funds.
I mean, I think as long as, I mean, I don't know like exactly what other L1s are doing
with their marketing budget specifically, but like, yeah, a lot, I mean, honestly.
the difficulty is like you want to spend the marketing budget to like make the token price go up but if you do that too much you're probably like market manipulating like you're probably like doing illegal shit well there is also a certain point where it's like all in crypto all marketing ad spend all marketing ad spend has to be weighed against the effect on token price of like if you were to just do buybacks right like that is the weird thing because like at some point in the market buybacks are a little like i think they're a little hot right now i don't know like how like how
I'm not sure how long the whole buyback thing lasts, like how many will be able to actually do it.
I heard I heard makers doing like buybacks.
I don't know what's not about it, but I heard they're like they're kind of like a sleeper.
Like they're kind of doing like big buybacks and people are not talking about it.
People talking about hype, of course.
I don't know what I think of hype.
I mean, they did a lot of things correct with distribution like huge R drop.
Like that was a dozen that was definitely like very good move.
Like I think ticker auctions are very cool, but like,
Who's like left to buy? Like I just I just don't know like like Normies don't know hyperliquid is like I think the liquid funds are basically in I think they add to fire block support so like I just I don't know who is left to buy like maybe I'm like they're curving it but
I think at some point if the thing like generates revenue and it keeps going up, then like, you know, like in the same way in the same way that like Lib Tards learned to short like they learned to open a brokerage account and short because of Tesla, right?
Like the reverse can happen also.
I hope they did it against AFDOS and get blown the fuck out.
That'd be that'd be great.
I don't know if Libthards would ever have a strong position on APDOS.
Yeah, I need to, I need to start some huge social engineering campaign to like really get them to hate it.
Like maybe APDOS is racist or something like this.
I don't know.
Something like that could work.
but yeah i guess while i'm on my on mic i have to conceal my my strategies a bit uh but yeah we're
going to going into aftus april a few days guys saying bro you need to chill i don't know if he's
talking to me or you or maybe both of us he was probably talking to me when i mispronounced
his comment like 72 i didn't even mispronounce it i misread it like 72 times in a row
it was like a world historically bad reading by lucas
I need to start putting in my actual contact prescription on these streams.
I'm dealing with a one diopter under correction right now.
Because I just went out and bought random contacts that like it's like,
that's roughly my prescription because they didn't have like the exact one in stock at the
whatever store here.
And like most of the time it works.
The only time it doesn't work is when I'm sitting like,
six feet away from my computer, like trying to read comments off on a stream, which previously
just didn't happen that much in my life. But now it's happening more and more.
Yeah. Now you're now you're relegated to just doing podcasts.
Yeah. But you do a good job though actually. Like like the stuff. I mean, I always like
tune in even if I don't have the opportunity to like.
I speak. But yeah, you guys, for a long time, you guys have done these spaces and podcasts.
And yeah, you were actually a good host. People actually like, uh, people actually really like
from a bunch of different spheres that I play around with, like always wind up popping in on like
whatever podcast or show or stream. So it's always like funny, right? Like yesterday we had like a, uh,
like a hyperborean bodybuilding like uh roman philosopher guy on who's like uh it's honestly like
when i describe it that way you have a specific type of person in mind who is usually very
annoying he did it like the best out of anyone that i've ever really talked to like he did the mean
really well yeah spurgler is spurgler's very cool
Nice. Okay. So we do have Anu still in here. I was wondering if everyone else logged off.
It sounds like-
If you're doing the hosting, can you see who's listening or?
I can't see who's listening because we're also, so we're streaming this on like my account, but also on Sue's account and also on abstract.
So like-
I'm in the abstract I grew up too.
Times are brutal out here.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I look as cool. I spoke to Luca. Like he's pretty supportive.
I have no idea, I have no idea how abstract works, but it was just like, I don't know.
They were like, we want streamers on this thing and I was like, hello, sir.
Like I really just talk into microphones a lot and he was like, that sounds awesome.
Just like rip it.
And I think they have built in clippers too.
Yeah, he's a former econ guy.
So I can understand like this thought process and how he thinks about things.
Yeah, he's cool.
I spoke with him.
I don't know a ton about abstract, though, but I think they are kind of catering to like some sort of,
they're trying to get some sort of big consumer app, I believe, to blow up as kind of their strategy.
I don't know.
Don't quote me on that.
But yeah, yeah, I hope it does well.
I mean, he's a cool guy.
Yeah.
I think, I don't know.
It seems like a lot of people have been using Abstract, which is like, I honestly don't even know how it works.
I don't even know what you have to do to like sign up for the Airdrop.
I've looked at my account and I'm not getting any like XP points for like screaming.
You're going to miss the AirDrop.
Don't be like the Hyper Liquid guys didn't sign the terms of service like four times and they bitched about it.
You know how they, the hyperliquid did the eardrop and they made like five announcements?
Like, hey, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You need to sign, you need to like click this one button and then they're like too difficult.
And people were like, bro, I'm gonna fud like, you know, hyper liquid.
I'm gonna come to your office.
We're gonna get some lawyers together.
I just stop on my air drop.
I'm like, fuck you, man.
I just don't really care that much about, uh,
I don't really care that much about like the airdrop if, but if like if there's actually like a crypto streaming platform that like it's any engagement, it's like, I don't know, it's fun to play with them, right?
Mr. Beast coin, maybe he could do some sort of, you know, like live streaming.
Dude, Mr. Beast, if he releases any coin, like I think he's actually going to do really well on like.
using it to somehow monetize like attention capture.
Because that is one one thing where like meme coins actually have like a lot of utility in terms of like using them to like reward people.
or play like funny incentive games with like a content creation sphere.
Because you can like gift stuff or like give people things for watching the thing as opposed to like you mine the coins instead of by like GPU power like staking and validating like it's like you have to fucking watch me talk, bro.
Some of these points are like farming third worlders though.
Like they'll like they'll send them like.
You know, they don't know, but they have obviously, they fall for the unit bias.
They get like a bazillion coins and they're like, oh my God, I'm rich, right?
But they don't understand that you give billions of them.
But like, you know, like I would see these people who would fund like, I don't know, some water in a remote village and they put the logo of the shit coin like on the canister.
I'm like, bro, like these people are literally getting farmed.
I don't know. It's just funny to me.
I don't know if you saw the Bit Boy, the Bitboy mugshot, but...
Is he in jail now?
Somewhat, the article said that he's in jail right now with no bail.
Did he really crashed out?
Like...
but like bit boy's been to jail before like i don't think bars can hold bit boy like at a certain
at a certain size of soul right it's like he's just gonna like what's happening he's gonna
he's gonna psychically fucking warp his way out of prison didn't he like fuck his mistress or something
and then divorce or whatever and uh yeah that wasn't super great yeah it's kind of uh i mean
it's fun to make jokes and stuff but like i'm not gonna be like i don't know like a bitch or whatever
about it but like
I don't know. It's kind of bad karma too when someone's like really rock bottoming to like
pile on. I don't actually know exactly what happens. So there's nothing really funny for me to say.
But yeah, I don't know. I mean, also crypto is really good. Like everyone who's been here like
multiple cycles knows that like, uh, you're just not really supposed to do the victory laps when you're
on top and you're not supposed to kick people when they're down because like you will just go up
and down and you can't really control it and like, uh,
you know like uh mr winter mute then you can know he's he's conspiring he's like the ross child
of the crypto market right it's like this guy says still waiting for my open sea airdrop dude this
guy is met a mask coming soon bro like yeah keep swapping bros keep swapping at 3% fees getting
coin clips in the fucking app yeah yeah eventually eventually you will uh rabbi is so much better it's funny like the
Like I like rainbow too. I like I mean there's honestly so many different wallets
I just have the nice thing about rainbow is that it lets you keep multiple seed phrases in the same wallet right? Yeah. So like that was my big like I wanted I wanted a wallet that I could use where I could like put like 10 seed phrases in most wallets have that I don't know like you can do like multiple accounts. No. You can do multiple accounts but they're not the like for met for Meta mask it's like you have accounts under the same seed. You
Yes, it like it iterates the same seed phrase down, but it's like most people at this point have like a bunch of different seed phrases.
And so like if I want to like import another seed phrase or something from like another chain, it's like a little tricky.
It's got to the point where if I keep funds on any other chain than APTO's, I feel like I'm like not being authentic.
I'm like betraying the mission or something.
That's good.
I was I was like a fence on Salana.
I think I have like four dollars on ETH.
I'm still like a world historic like Avax fraud in that like I don't actually like I don't think I hold more than like $5,000 of Avax and I have like all of the holdings are in like this one meme coin of these guys that I like it's like no chill and then like a bunch of these like wide boy Remilio.
NFTs. So like, but those things did like a fucking like 160x or something. Like I never thought that my best investment this cycle was going to be buying a bunch of Avax NFTs. But like, here we are. It's kind of it's kind of bearish being friends with too many people because they will like give you coins or or coins that they want you to hold on to. And then you just feel obligated like I cannot sell this ever. I know, but it's like I usually just use my public. Yes.
So like, you just see all of the stuff sitting there and they're like, you can basically just consider it like the Lucas Burn wallet, right?
It's like, okay, well, like he knows that he has he's too socially obligated to hold these.
So like at least there's no self-pressure.
It's cool for mental masturbation though because you can look at the number and be like, yeah, like, you can include that in your net worth calculation, but you're like, I can't ever sell that unless I just want to nuke this friendship.
Yeah.
So there's this one ever figures out a way to sell.
those coins and like obfuscate it.
Oof.
I want to write a check.
There's probably going to be a big mixer this cycle.
Yeah, I really, I think there is a huge opportunity for a mixer.
It's funny.
People was like, I put out a post.
I deleted it right after because, yeah, I just had second thoughts about it.
But, uh,
It's one of those things that you're like, nobody wants to like publicly advocate for like the mixer that lets everyone dump on their friends, right?
Like, if I was ever going to build something like myself specifically and just outsourcing and helping people shift things, like I would for sure do some sort of mixer on athos with stable coins.
Like basically front running all the stable coins supply being there in a year or two, having the best mixer.
If you could find a way to obfuscate, I mean, there's some like privacy preserving like transactions you can do on athos, but still not like.
like it's like the compliance version of like privacy which is just like kind of watered down
bullshit right so you're either like kind of like rule worshiping compliance focus or you're not
yeah going in the middle is kind of kind of a you get like none of the upside right yeah so this
this guy's saying uh my best performing assets were my c s go skins i hold the buddy i knew we
were near a bottom because everyone's talking about c sgo skins right that's always how you can tell
is when when everybody in crypto pivots from talking about crypto to like talking about like trading
options or like gambling like when people start posting like sports betting spreads instead of uh
like buying coins that's usually when you're like i can safely start allocating at this point right
when people start re downloading games
Yeah.
I don't know how many people play league, but I used to play league.
So some of my accounts are like, bro, this market sucks.
Like I'm re-downloading X, Y, and Z.
I'm like, okay.
Yeah.
We're like within a few days of like it bottoming.
Yeah.
Because the market is just so boring.
People would rather play games that they played at one or two years ago.
But you know, but that's actually when the best opportunities are like when people sleeping and people are like, oh, this market sucks.
Yeah.
So the social indicators almost always lead the like the market dynamic indicators who like if you were if you were studying if you were studying flows, you would have been like slightly lagging behind the guy who's like refreshing the feed with like 100k like.
KOLs and like noting like their activity, how many of them have like taken up alternative hobbies, like how many of them have gotten girlfriends, stuff like this. Like that is actually like. And I mean, even when you you have people saying like, bro, like this is a top signal. And you remember that period like when Bitcoin was like after the first all time high break and you had just three straight months of people going like this is a top signal. You still could have sold.
at any point during that time like you could have sold at from the time the very first person
said this is a top signal and re-bought lower right like even though it did continue going up more
you would have been safe selling when you saw like the first ridiculous sign of like uh
it's like oh like the the Donald Trump's son is implicated in like a meme coin scandal being launched in conjunction with Martin Scrailey right like you could have looked at that and said like I'm going to stable right now and then bought lower the problem was the problem with sentiment analysis I mean I'm actually like
I'll give you the bull case for in a second.
But like, I guess the problem with sentiment analysis
is that like, although yes, you are pulling numbers,
like this person is bearish and this many people are bullish.
The problem is like most people are fucking retards.
So like you shouldn't wait them one to one.
Like if some random said something that he knew nothing about anything,
like I don't really like, I'm not sure if I really care if he's bullish or bearish.
But if there's somebody that's very intelligent who's like usually right and like,
that has a good track record, then it really matters what he's saying.
That's the problem with sentiment analysis is that like you can kind of get misled by the sheer numbers of people, which by the way, like obviously most market participants lose money or whatever because, you know, they're just not as sophisticated.
I don't know. At the same time, though, like sometimes the least sophisticated people like know the most.
Like for example, like even even Aidan Ross, right? Like obviously he's held East, but like I still play back that. I'm sure you guys have seen that clip.
of like he's with i think like uh like frankie gods and a few other people and he was like bro the
president just launched a coin on salana like what is there to come after that that's like more bullish
than that and they were like bro like just starting and that was like that might have like top ticked
it by like a day or two or something yeah it's like new 50 percent yeah yeah i mean there is a uh i don't
know i like we were talking about this a little bit yesterday in terms of like using people as indicators
and i think like
It's actually easier to use people as inverse indicators than it is to use them as like outright.
Like, okay, this is like I'm just going to copy trade directly, right?
Because people are on average much better at being consistently wrong than they are at being consistently right.
Finding some guy who across all metas has been right all the time is hard.
But in trading, all you have to do is do the opposite of whatever the wrong person says.
Well, the reason the people who are right all the time are like, they always get absorbed into something else.
Like if you're like right all the time, like I'm mega market genius.
you're just going to be working for like an exchange.
You're going to go like fucking like, I don't know,
like coin base or like finance or like you're going to get poached.
You know, if you're that good at it.
Yeah, you become like a market maker, like you go work at like some sort of research group.
You're like working with a liquid fund or something like that.
Like if you're consistently right in crypto also, you actually like don't get rewarded by like followers.
You still like 80% of the people will like someone can literally post like, okay, I'm entering this trade if this coin hits this price and then I will be closing the position at this price if it goes there.
You can give them the full playbook and then like,
You can come back a week later after the trade has literally, like, completely played out.
And you will have people bitching in your DMs being like, why didn't you fucking tell me to sell?
Why didn't you fucking tell me, dude?
Like, I hate you.
Yeah.
Like they'll like send you like death threats and stuff like that.
It's like we I mean, we also kind of, uh, reference this yesterday in the terms of like like the regret ratio of like successful like traders and everything.
It's like you're probably like your most successful traders in some sense are actually like they don't they aren't necessarily like more regretful on average.
But like they actually like have like a higher like.
if you take if you like assign like points to like every instance of regret they simply have more regret
because they've stuck with it longer and like they also like
in some sense, they're, they sell before the top because they're not trying to time the top.
If you try and time the top too much, then you're just falling into a you're just falling into the
right.
Yeah, because I mean, the price becomes very dislocated from like actual fair market price at like the peak of any like euphoria thing, right?
Yeah.
So if you just sell, like if you just sell after you make money, it's like, it's like those guys like, why didn't you tell me to sell?
It's like, when do you sell?
It's like at the top, right?
It's like, no, you sell when you make money.
Like you have your own like personal like retar like retard calibration for like however much money you're like willing to sell at.
But like ultimately, man, like if I tell you to make a trade that a thousand X is and you don't sell like you're never going to sell.
So, you know, stop thinking about timing the top and like just accept like a little bit regret it.
Yeah, I was explaining this to someone yesterday where someone was like, what is actually the hard part about like meme coin trading?
Don't you just like buy and then sell for like a thousand X?
And I was like, well, no, the hard part is like knowing when you sell actually.
Like that is mostly the difficult part because like.
The coin can go up like a 1.2x or it can literally go up like a 1 million X.
And like the idea is that like a very good trader will be able to consistently hold on to the ones that are going up a 1 million X and like extract a lot of profit from those coins.
without like, uh, without like selling it all for like a two X or something like that, right?
Like the difference between the person who Jets for a two X and the person who holds that out is enormous.
Even the person who like scales some out at two X, but they keep selling it like intervals or something, right?
And then you have the person who's like absolutely ridiculous and they hold the whole thing all the way up until they get like a daily red candle and then they just dump the whole thing.
Right. Like all of these have very different like return profiles.
Do you believe in selling initials or is that, is that for, for bitches?
Is that a good strategy?
I sell initials all the time, but I'm like a huge pussy.
Like, is that actually like,
like,
investment advice to sell your initial or is that just like kind of a,
it just depends on how good you are at like catching actual runners, right?
And like,
I am not like low buyer giga alpha guy.
So like,
I'm not usually going to be catching enough turbo runners that if I don't sell my initials, it will save me.
However, if I was better at that, then I would maybe have a different strategy.
Yeah, I'm not sure where I stand on the self-in initials part.
I think I think you almost have to be all in like or else it's kind of bearish.
Like I would, I mean, I think your success, your hit rate obviously.
Um, like matters a lot here, but very true.
If you sell your initial on something that actually runs hugely in a thousand
X, I mean, the amount of money you make is just like so much bigger.
So it depends where you sell it for two or three X, but still like, I don't know, it's,
I guess there's no, there's no, there's not like one way to do it, but I do.
I mean, my most successful trades this cycle were like buying a bunch of meme coins that
launched during like, uh,
dead of the bear market when like Pepe and stuff like that was going off and then like putting them on a hardware wallet and then like accidentally moving to another country for like a year and a half and like just letting all of those go up accidentally.
Many coins on that wallet did not go up. Many coins on that wallet went to like gig a zero.
If you, if you were early in something and you have even the remote like size and you ride it even remotely correctly, like, yeah.
It's just, I mean, honestly, it really does sound like you're like in a casino, like you're gambling, but genuinely, you're like one spin away.
Just keep gambling.
Like you're like, you're like one spin away.
Rich Hardio, Mog, giga, and SPX all completely saved that wallet for me.
Like, uh, you have a stacked wallet.
You have a stacked wallet.
Uh, yeah.
Like the thing is the thing is if you look at the wallet you're going to see that that is about a 1% hit rate
None of the other coins I actually I actually on that wallet like I bought like Popcat at like
Like I don't know I think it was like sub 1 mil or something and then I sold it for like a 1.2x
So like Trader Main did that too. I think he I think I think I think
Dude, he's coping hard.
I think he would have made like $40 million or something on his initial, I think a few
hundred bucks or I think a thousand bucks.
Yeah, I put I put like one Solana in Popcat and sold it for like a one point too.
That was pretty funny.
Like that is like that would give you trauma.
Dude, I've done it so many times at this point.
Like everyone in crypto like when they first like they first like do their first early sell
retard move.
It gives them like, oh my God, like I would have $80 billion.
But now it's like, dude, I'll do that like at least once a quarter.
Like I'll accidentally fade like a $50 million position like once a quarter.
It's just how she goes.
You just get used to it.
Bit Boys on the screen.
I've been to have before.
This is mugshot.
Yeah, yeah.
His mugshot's pretty cool actually.
I don't know.
Bit Boy is like a cool mascot type guy.
We got.
Okay, Anu.
What's up?
How you feeling?
Yeah.
I was just enjoying the conversation.
Never heard Aptos before.
Yeah.
Aptos, yeah.
I tell you know you earlier, right?
You've never heard it before.
I'm good here.
No, Aptos was a, like an L-1 that popped up.
I was just showing a-a-thos, too.
Aptos guy, I should say.
Yeah.
Who else is on here?
Sue and a few others.
I don't, I can't see.
Sue is, Anu is, uh,
Anu is on here hiding behind the comments. Maybe I should move his little...
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This guy says, I've lost more money in crypto than I've made yet somehow I'm still up. That's so true. That's so true. Like,
I think at this point, everyone who's been in here for like a few cycles, like that is true for, right?
Like I no longer put money into the shit and I pull it out pretty consistently.
But like, if you were to look at the amount of money that I've lost, it's sort of like,
Yeah, there's a few sites that aggregate that data, but it's like, why do you want to put yourself through that trauma, right?
Like, what could have been?
Well, the nice thing, the nice thing is you remember that website that would like show you how much you've like lost on Ethereum gas fees?
I use that though, so I don't know.
So mine used to be like a really big number, but now because of the either price action, it's not that much.
Like it's totally usable.
Like, uh, but that's what you were saying, though.
It's only usable when like it's in the fucking gutter, right?
because like as eat gets more popular and stuff like the gas was good through the roof then it's like not usable
again so i actually don't i actually don't know how true that is because like i i was posting
something about this and saying this but like ethereum uh transactions per day is actually at like
all-time highs right now still like it's been pretty consistently there but somehow
somehow gas costs are going down uh pretty regularly i don't know why i don't know what's going on
there but like uh
They're not there they're there.
ETH main net is usable for me.
Like there are times where it's like it's cheaper.
It's cheaper than like many L2s or like Solana even for swaps like yes.
I've seen it under it.
I've seen actually actually I can see where it come.
I think I've seen gas fees on E's like eight or 10 cents for a simple transfer.
Yeah.
I've seen that that is like I would much.
Like at that point I mean of course that that's not super sustainable because if everyone
started everyone started doing that the price would go at least to a few dollars immediately.
But yeah, like I would much prefer just to, if I was keeping stables anymore other than Napdos, I probably just keeping on the Ethel 1. I don't think you would want it like in sort of Arbitrum's sort of sphere of control or optimism or like they have their own sort of like governance policy and sort of, I don't know if it's Kabbal is the right word, but they have like.
people controlling the bridge and like theoretically if they colluded together they could like block your funds right
maybe this is like here's yeah i don't know you can't say that about eth about censorship and stuff but
i think it is actually possible but again i'm not like a dev cell so i don't know like the
like the details in between of what is actually possible or is not but yeah it's uh all i know is like uh
Despite the enormous amount of fud that I will level at ether, I'm definitely close to bottoming.
I have people been saying that for a long time.
So this is going back to the conversation about like, funding things when they're down.
Like yeah, not the time to fud it's because people will time stamp you in six months
and bro like you're fighting.
Yeah.
It's a mythical true east bottom.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Like this is the real real for real bedrock bottom part three.
It's down bad when the half those guys is feeling bad for you.
Like, that's really fucking shit.
Like, you were on the bottom ring.
It's getting close to the bottom fellas.
I do think that they just, like, have to figure something out.
Like, it just seems so unlikely that there's any world.
He needs to get some bad bitches.
He needs, you know, he needs a little marketing.
Actually, it's kind of embarrassed, though,
because you're kind of capitulating to the idea that he was wrong for the past
few years. I think they have to like double down on their thing. I think honestly like one really good
social media. I like outlined a couple strategies that I think could work like really well for like a
social media intern for them. But like one I think would be like really leaning into like a hyper
optimistic like neolive type thing. Like you are, you're applying like you find some comment where
some guy is saying like we need to get like women out of web three. And you respond saying like,
well, while crypto is historically like sort of painful and toxic to women, like I do think...
I do think that right now it's understandable that you'd want to protect women from the people in Web 3.
But in the future, in the future, we could like, we could create a better vision for crypto in which women and female founders are finally like recognized and given the credit that they deserve.
And it could be safe for women.
Right.
Like the guy just like misinterprets every single like toxic crypto comment into being like a pro libitard comment.
What bit are you attracting from this?
Like the, like, what's the, like, what's the, like, what's the end game for that sort of
angle?
I think it's literally just get people talking about the thing again.
Like, that's the big problem with ether is like, if you look at like the number
of times ether is even mentioned, like, it's actually going down.
Like, it's going very down on CT.
Yeah.
And like, it's getting to the point where like every single type of like, ETH FUD that you
can do.
There's not even funny ETH FUD anymore because it's all been done so many times that you feel like a loser for even like redoing the bit at this point.
So like that's the point at which people actually stop talking about the thing.
Like you don't get likes for shitting on ETH anymore, right?
Like people are just like shut the fuck up.
It's so overdone.
It's boring.
And so like you need something to spin up attention again.
Yeah, I don't I haven't thought about the strategy specifically, but like
You know, if something goes from cringe to cool, like you can add like a zero at least maybe probably two zeros, maybe three zeros, the price, depending on how good.
Well, you can actually, you can actually also go from cringe to so cringe that it's based, right?
Like you can break through the floor.
And that's like, that's what I would say that Eath should do is it should like just become because I.
I think the idea that Vitalik is going to go and like take a bunch of TRT and become like a bodybuilder and like it just doesn't make any sense to me.
I don't think he wants to do that.
I don't think like the rest of the EF wants him to do that.
Like he should just become the king mindset.
I'm not doing that.
Yeah.
Like he should literally just become the king soy jack.
Like.
Like he should become the king of all soy jacks and like just say this is going to be Ethereum, right?
And maybe even you can find people on Ethereum like as builders to be like hostile to you and act as a foil to you and have them like pull in that like you could just say okay, remilia, you be the foil.
You be like the like the based like anarchist villains.
We're going to be like the king soyjacks.
Now we have both of the axes covered and we can we can just publicly beef all the time.
I...
What is actually the barricades for Ethereum?
That's like Nokia or something?
Or like, what's kind of the...
Like, what is actually the real bear case for Ethereum?
Is it just activity supposedly going down and things are on Solana?
Yeah, I mean, a lot of it, a lot of it is like a lot of the builders have left.
And also on that, I also like to hear Sue's thoughts.
I know he's like kind of, or at his very-
Sue may have gone away.
Yeah, he is.
Okay.
But I'm here.
I'm here.
I think he's both in Solana, right?
So do you think that like, I don't think Solana will flip the teeth personally.
And I think probably the valuation of like one-third or one-fourth is probably correct.
I don't know, like, do you think I'm wrong on that?
Do you think, like, what do you think about that?
It could, I think.
It could.
I mean, if you're an institution.
What's the case for it?
I'm curious.
Just like more activity, like more things are happening there.
Like, that's just kind of the general.
Way more activity.
Way more consumer users.
Way more new users.
Transaction count is not going up on main net.
And I think a lot of the L2s, it's actually causing an abstraction away from ETH the asset where...
like you don't need to own eth to use an eth l2 in the future i think yeah so that's really
bearish because it's like you use so it's like linux right like you don't have to buy like red hat
like you don't have to donate to red hat to use Linux you just use it so you know that that's the
bear case and i think the second bear case was that bitcoin
has dominated monetary premium.
And usually in these things, it's winner take all.
Like gold takes almost the whole pie and then silver has like a small pie.
So, you know, bi-metalism is also the problem.
So yeah, like this guy saying,
Heath is the VIX of crypto.
Yeah, like if Heath pumps, it's like the whole market's about to nuke.
Because like a sign that like it's the last, like ETC used to be the last quantity.
Yeah.
It's become ETH itself now.
i've seen that i've laughed that too they're like eth is pumping like something it's something
bad is happening that's like a sign of an avalanche is coming or something they're like bro this is
it's literally like it's literally worked like one of these 30 plus times in a row like if if
if if leads the pump you can just short the market and like that strategy is one of the time is not
going to work and people when people start getting too comfortable like okay easy going up short short
everything that's when i would really get considered dude i i literally like this is this is the one script
that i have running
is it's a scripted short sell on salana ether and bitcoin when ether leads a market pump by like
it's like uh like four or five percent a day or something like that is literally the only
alga trade that i make you're gonna leave the casino
And it's worked over 30 times.
Like that has complete.
So like I can get my ass.
I have I have a TP 10% stop loss 10%.
I will get my asshole blown out one time.
It literally doesn't matter because it's already worked so many times that even when I lose 10%.
It's like it sets me back one time of doing it, right?
That's true.
That's true.
Just make sure you leave the casino while you're still on top.
But I do think this last time, like, could be the time when it doesn't work.
Like, people are getting too comfortable, like, kind of betting against it now.
So it's like, you want to get the fuck out of the way.
It's like, it's like if a kid.
But people also said this six months ago.
That, that is true.
That's very, that's very true.
It's like when a kid becomes bullied so much, like the, he like, he, like,
Like one day he's going to reach into his backpack and like, you know, you're not going to like what you find.
Yeah, like he's going to, you know, he's learned how to build an AR pistol.
He's going to blast you away.
I mean, like, nine to that's time.
He's that point or it's getting to that point in the next like few weeks probably.
Or I mean, or the kid could just become in need and not go outside anymore.
Right. Like the kid could become homeschooled.
Like you could bully, you could bully him into becoming homeschooled by AI.
He just tokenized homeschooling.
He just tokenized homeschooling.
This is the homeschool point.
That's a good, that's a good, uh, bear pitch or whatever for the elevator.
No, no, but I've heard, I have heard people say that the bulk case for either stable coins, but actually, like, I think, I think, I think Apthos and like, specifically Apthus, so long to benefit from stable coins, but like, I think, I think, I think has the most to gain, uh, for stable coins. Like, they just passed like one billion, uh, stable coin supply.
I think, I think really like over the next year, it could reach like, it could even flip Tron, like a stable coin supply if.
There's a lot of support for on off ramps and there's like some real things that you can purchase with stable coins without even needing to off ramp.
There's some interesting stuff kind of happening behind the scenes with stable coins and on off ramps.
So there's a lot of exchange support too for active stables, both USC and USTC and UST, like a finance just out of USC, which is like very big.
It's just like the most economic options, fastest and safe, you know, I don't want to say safest because there still can't be some exploit, like God forbid.
It's also impossible to like quantify safety, right?
Well, it's like you're comparing like 100 billion like...
I'm not like cryptographer.
I can't really speak of it.
I have coded and moved like very basic things.
But they have some sort of formal verification.
That still has to...
It works technically, but it's like...
It uses a separate language to the form of verification apparently.
It's like very complex to formally verify your contracts.
It's technically possible.
But like even the best developers that I talk to, they're like...
Yeah, I need to get this formally verified.
So that stuff this year is going to get worked on.
It's going to get streamlined.
And that is like, I think that's a pretty big on lock.
But I think even like some other chains which are doing shit right now have formal verification.
Didn't, didn't Tesos have formal verification or like, I think even Cardano added something, right?
Could be wrong.
But that's kind of bearish.
I will say it's kind of base that you're saying you have all your assets on APDOS.
Like, uh, it actually never occurred to me once that you would, uh,
be like an actual like
support the CTO
support the CTO
whenever the market's like looking derrish here like
move your stables to apt those there's actually some good
farms but even if you're not farming like we have
what are show me on the farms I'm like a big
stable coin like yield farmer
I know the guys from Hainajalan
they have a good farm
what's sort of APRs are we talking here I think
I think it's like 16 or
Okay, 16 is not bad.
I think I'm averaging.
I don't know how much of those incentives are paid at in APT.
Personally, I think it's a good hold long term.
But if you don't want APT, a lot of, a lot of people from sui and other chains,
they'll just farm and dump, which is like kind of bearish.
Uh, yeah, I would definitely watch Ave.
I think the domain is southern aftos.Ave.com or um, um, avid.com.
I forget, but the test that's live.
You can go like, like, use it.
It's super quick.
Because like, I found a lot of like really good yield farms on, uh, on Swede, but it was like,
You can't really ship size into them.
Like, they're very easily dilutable.
So, like, if there's, like, a big 16% APR, that's not bad.
Yeah, no, it's not bad.
Especially, I think, I'm scared of, I'm scared of using USDA.
Like, I'm scared of using Athena also because everyone has fudded me out of, uh, yeah.
Yeah, I don't know a ton about USDA, but it is obviously high yield and they look stick to SDE.
I don't.
I don't obviously want to stay.
The one's not.
But other than that, I don't know the.
Super like my new difference is
Yeah, but we have we have we have you need to see US DC native USDA e
And others coming soon so but yeah I watch a way like honestly what I'm looking forward to is being able to just like park size
When my size the size assuming stuff goes through
So I just been going through the something going through the Twitter profiles of like some of the people in the in the chat and
And this Lelisa Biles is pretty hilarious.
Like, are you, this is her, here,
I'll post some of these tweets.
It's like, her whole feed is about like Asian men
and Asian women and like white men, like commentary.
Let me pull up something.
I don't want to get too much in the frames and docs,
but I can see the screen a bit.
It's like saying 90% of like pickup artists on TikTok,
they can only get Asian women.
It cracks me out.
Now look at the famous rich Asian women in the West.
They overwhelmingly choose white men.
W white men.
Don't follow or give interactions to single Asian women on social media.
You give them free money, ego, and fame.
The more money, ego, and fame they get, the worst they treat Asian men.
These sort of, like, divest accounts are like, they're becoming much more common now.
once you learn the ugly white worshipping nature have you guys heard of that the men going their own way
oh yeah we all all of us have uh i mean it's it's been a thing for like a long time oh i know
it's like the original passport bro kind of like fractal it's like the like you know
guy in his 40s 50s gets divorced and he's like fuck it like i'm i'm one way into the Philippines
honestly i don't blame them in certain respects like i think i think the main thing is it becomes
gay when you're saying like uh
I am like, I'm like doing this thing.
Like, you should just do the thing, right?
Like, you can just be single.
You don't have to, like, develop, like, a new acronym for being single.
If you, especially if you phrase it as, like, a retreat, like, going our own way.
It's like, why do you just call it like, like, like, why do you just call it like, I'm a passport, bro?
It's like, that's...
a little bit more earnest, I think.
It doesn't quite sound so great.
You could honestly just say you're a gooner and that even goes
harder than saying I'm Migtow.
Like you could say like, I'm a homeless gooner
and that sounds like less bad.
Oh, I'm running away. I'm scared. I'm divorced.
My life is over and I and we had
the West has fallen. It's like you
people are just going to look down on you. Like you're
implicitly looking down on yourself and how you describe yourself.
But there really is a good arb though.
Like depending on your nationality or your background like
I don't think anyone's never going to deny that, frankly.
Like, just be honest.
And it's just a fact of life.
I mean, you can tell it's a good arb also because like when guys come to the U.S.
and they start talking about like, oh, dude, like I moved to like Europe or something.
And like it's everything's normal over there.
You can just have a normal relationship and like.
all the girls like start screaming here like you can tell like they wouldn't get that mad if they
didn't believe that it was in some way like a threat right it's the same thing with like the asian
women thing in s f like the white women there would not get that mad if it was not like in some
way like threatening to their existence
uh so like regardless of like you know at this point i i have seen enough of other countries that i
can probably say like yeah like i do think that it is like a successful arb that you could pull off
but like uh it starts the arb starts to fight against you if it becomes too popular like there was
an arb yeah i mean there's no arb that's now but now there's like protests even not even just now it's
last year and stuff but there was like protest that like
like I think in Medellin, which is obviously like a huge like sex pat kind of city.
Um, it's just a bunch of like kind of like recards going there to go get like some pussy.
We got some comments saying I love Asian baby girls.
Asian girls is so fine shit.
I love single Asian women.
I just hedged to the chart.
I'm a suicidal true cell.
Yeah.
I'm a professional gooner.
I place order on low-cap perp and then start gooning to the order book to make sure it goes my way.
You're using like a, it's like gooner manifestation.
He's twopping out, swapping in.
Yeah, he's, he's, he's, he's, oh yeah, I'm twapping hard, bro.
The racet.
Swapping like crazy.
Sue, what country do you think that the lone American software developer should move to to find the optimal cultural ARB for his wife?
Yeah, Taiwan's looking good here, actually.
Taiwan is looking good here.
I think it depends on what he's looking for.
I mean, assume he's like a stereotypical dev cell, like, uh, sort of quiet, like sensitive young man.
Not like a big, not a big word cell.
Uh, like it's, it's not like me where like if you're unable to like podcast at this bitch,
you're going to feel some sort of like deep spiritual lack of fulfillment.
He just translate for everything.
I think I think this is actually one of the things that, that, um,
I think as if you're the white software engineer,
one that you want to consider is like,
do you want to be viewed as a passport bro, right?
If you go like-
Definitely not.
Yeah, that's the thing.
Like if you go to certain countries,
the overwhelming idea would be like you are,
you are like a sex.
Yeah, that's the problem with Colombia, Philippines too.
That's too played out, right?
Like, it's like, there's too many people that go there specifically for that.
Yeah.
And then you start to get out.
Even Thailand is like,
even though it's Thailand now is like a modern country-ish,
like it's still like if you tell people,
the US, you're like going to Thailand,
like there is like this, almost this idea of like,
lady boys even, right?
So, so I think.
putting that into consideration and then also like language bearer and stuff like yeah taiwa is a good choice
because you know people speak some english and it's like respectable you know it's like you bring home
like a tawani's wife people aren't going to be like you're you're some kind of insane ex-tispect like
oh you're a weird gooner guy yeah
When we were flying to Bangkok for that conference, I swear to God, 50% of the people at the airport were literally like the meme tier, like 65 year old boomer with his like, uh, like 28 year old like, uh,
Yeah, it's a little bit of, the 28-year-old, like, the Thailand wife.
Like, it was, it was so, and it just kept happening.
Like, this really, this really short, like, tatted up girl with this big fat boomer, like, literally half of the couples in the airport.
I was just, like, I was mind-blown.
Libertarian guys with Asian wives.
Yeah.
Libertarian, libertarian men for single Asian women.
Yeah.
And then, I also see something funny where it's like, like, if someone's a white supremacist
asked, like, what, like, what, uh, what, what, uh, ethnicity is girlfriend is.
It's like almost like, oh, I've got some crazy lore for you guys on white supremacy.
So Afrikaans, right?
Uh, the original, like the OG Bowers in like South Africa, like, so-called white nationalists.
Did you know that the first gen of these, they all had mixed race wife because there were no
women at that time sent by a Dutch, uh, uh,
by the Dutch, I think it was the Dutch East India Company.
So that's why Afrikaans people have 7%
ish non-white genes because the first generation,
all their great-great grandmothers are black or Indian.
And then after that, like propaganda, bro.
After one generation, they, they started to import Dutch women in and like British women into South Africa.
And then they started to be like really like high on racial purity.
But like they all have like they all have an original black like great great grandmother.
Study this.
Blow your mind.
Rodisia is not real.
It doesn't exist.
You know, so it's kind of this.
And actually was much more effective than Zimbabwe.
Like Zimbabwe's-
Well, so here's the thing about Rhodesia, right?
And like why like I think white nationals almost confuse it is that, like the true defenders of Rhodesia at the time, they said this is not about race.
This is about anti-communism.
And like tons of black people fought for Rhodesia.
So it's almost like doing Rhodesia a disservice if you're like, this is like white nationalism.
We like get all the black people out because literally like a lot of like middle class black people were fighting for Rhodesia.
And then it essentially like African national like essentially the communists took over in Zimbabwe, right?
And it was like that was over.
But the lore is interesting too like with apparently the
There's this guy and he's this old guy, Doug Casey, he like travels and basically for like 50 years, this guy's been making pitches to like the bottom, the most like bottom of the barrel places like ever.
And he went to, he has a story where he went to Zimbabwe and he was speaking with the head of the central bank, I think Gideon Gino or something.
And he was the one who like printed the one garrillionth, you know, Zimbabwe dollar note.
And he was actually a gold bowl, believe it or not. Like, people know those, but I think his name is Gideonon, pretty sure that's his name.
He's actually a gold bowl. But the reason why he hyperinflated the currency, apparently the military basically put a gun to his head and said, hey, you're going to like, basically we're going to loot your coffer, like, print the currency as much as you can and give it to us.
So I don't know. It's always, it's always interesting when I hear about Zimbabwe, like, you know, the guy who printed like the biggest, like currency unit ever was actually like a gold bug, like Peter Schiff type.
I think you just had a, I think they honestly that they set a branding issue, right? Like what they should have done, like if I were like South African, like white, like.
you know in the establishment then i would have just like elevated black people more like if they
had done dei they actually would have mogged because then they would have stayed in power and then
they come they have some sort of black empowerment program then like people well now they use
that's already after like mandela and like this already like now you have this problem of like
it's looking pretty bearish
Yeah, like, give me a bull case for South Africa.
And if it doesn't include, like, basically European people, I don't know, bro, like, it's not looking so good here.
Like, it's, I just, I don't know, man, like, just too many results of just, like, down only after, like, the white guys leave.
It's kind of very...
What they should have done.
I mean, I mean, if you think about the early generations, I think they...
The key is actually misogination, like, like, mixed race marriage.
Like, they needed to push this.
This is the thing that...
If they had done better, it would have been quite different as well.
Because that integration then creates like, like Brazil did this better, right?
And like, you know, that's why we have to, we have to pivot.
Oh, God.
But like, I think the idea, like, the problem is if you're like the racial minority,
if you're the racial minority in a country.
and you're like not on this like i'm not investing in the round all right like please keep me out
okay south south iverga is cooked but the but the reason is because yeah cope like the white national
like the white they they're like their minority they don't bro they're minority and they don't
integrate and then they get overthrown right so and then after they're overthrown then they become like
the uh scapegoat for like 40 years
Like even though it's like long past, I mean, the same thing happened in Indonesia, right?
With the Chinese-
I think it's kind of a mistake to phrase that is overthrown.
Like in Rhodesia and South Africa's case, it's like nominally like they were overthrown from within by like African caucus parties basically.
But these parties were propped up entirely by in some case, like especially in South Africa's case, but more minorly so with Rhodesia.
By literally like an effort of the entire Western world.
I mean, like.
like Rhodesia was basically fighting the funding of almost every like quote unquote Western country like aside from Israel ironically enough.
Didn't didn't they get like sanctioned or something like eventually?
Yes, sanctioning as well.
It's like a it's a radicalization that occurred because originally so
If you look at Rhodesia culture, pre, like, you know, people had servants who were black.
No one had slaves.
They had servants, but there was a lot of, like, racial integration.
Very similar to, like, reconstruction, like America, like black people in the 1870s.
They own tons of businesses.
The marriage rate was hired for blacks than for whites back then.
Also, like, no one was having kids out of wedlock.
So...
there is this idea of like that like bringing that kind of Christian values into
black you know like a society and then like uplifting through that yeah if if there is a way to
uplift them like it has to be some sort of like selective breeding project almost like you you
need that's what i say about mixed race right like i think that they like i think if they had done like
Mormon style like
polygamy where you know like let's say the thomas jefferson's he has like 20 you know he has like
20 black uh wives and then you know those kids can then do things like it would have taken 20 of these
guys to do that and it would look very different because then does
the society clans would be more integrated in, right?
Like that's like, why do we have to do this?
Like, why does somebody have to build them out?
Like, why can't they just figure out like this themselves?
That's kind of my gripe with it is that like,
I don't know, it's like, it's always like we have to come in and do something and save them or like, yeah, and then we get guilted into it.
And then of course, like guilt works very well on kind of a Western kind of, I don't know, it's just...
It's not about that, right? Like, you're just outnumbered. So when you're outnumbered, like, I'll give you an analogy from like Indonesia because Indonesia, the Chinese Indonesia is very similar to the whites in...
in South Africa, the Chinese are like 3% of Indonesia,
but they control 70% of the money.
And then every 20 years in Indonesia
has been like these overroads of all the Chinese own businesses.
And that's why Chinese people in Indonesia, they will take on in Asian names and they will like integrate.
I mean, people still know, but they, but the integration is like relatively strong.
Integrated marriage is also relatively strong.
And like in Thailand, another example, the Chinese in Thailand take, like take Thai names.
They will like actually not speak Chinese publicly.
And so then you have this like.
like mixing in effect.
I think the issue South Africa and Rhodesia was that,
like they're in control, but they also want like,
like the apartheid is the issue because the apartheid is bad optics bro like it's just like not
necessary like colored schools like Ian Smith Rhodesia he had this thing because there were some
Chinese and Japanese in Rhodesia at the time and they're trying to figure out like which schools
did they go to so he had a decree that he says okay Japanese and Chinese are white people
so there's a decree in Rhodesia about that honorer whites they're like on their areas it's like
ordinary areas it's not very
It's funny.
I think that the more general case.
I think the more general case here is just that like if there's like,
that you're trying to make sue or that you are making, rather, is just that it's just not
feasible for like 3% of the population to run the country basically.
Exactly.
I don't know.
I think there is actually a case we made like for like city states and these kind of smaller
countries.
I do think we'll see a breakup of.
You're going to get invaded in mogs.
Like it's like, I think what it is is like white people love the idea of the gated community.
So they do.
We do.
We're going to put up gates, and then outside of these gates is, like, massive poverty.
Or, like, possibly, like...
That's Puerto Rico.
That's basically Puerto Rico.
There's Dorado, and then there's just, like...
Yeah, and why people actually like this aesthetic, that they're like, yeah.
And it's like...
Think about, like, every city, right?
You've got, like, the black part of the city.
I think, yeah, it's just like a total...
But you can literally draw a line.
It's usually, it's like Martin Luther King Jr. Road, and then it's just...
And then you're just totally cooked on the wrong side of it.
We need Mars.
We need our own planet or something.
I don't know.
Like, it's kind of...
I think it's a mistake to say that we like the aesthetic of it, honestly.
It's more like it's...
I don't know.
We have to do with it.
It's kind of a coping mechanism.
We like it.
It's just like...
It's something that you, like, you think about, yeah,
you kind of cope with that, right?
Like you do with what you have, right?
And so like a lot of the, the suburbs were kind of a creation
of like all of the crime in cities
and a lot of the crime came from minorities and black people, right?
So like, I think there is like a lot of, a lot of that.
But yeah, I don't know.
I think the tiny approach to like, I think my minority has been to basically intermarry them for like five generations and so, and then make them adopt your customs.
So obviously like that that has been accused of being like so-called genocide like in the West where it's like, okay, well you're ruining the local culture.
But I think it's like it does create a simulation. It doesn't create a simulation, right?
Like imagine if you were born black in the US, imagine if you were forced to marry a white person.
Like, yeah, but if you didn't get any.
Yeah, like, it's just like, why do we, I mean, I don't know,
a lot comes down to violence, I guess, but it's just, uh, I don't know.
I do think there's a case we made though of like these smaller kind of like breakaway place.
Like even in South Africa, I like, I, I think we're going to be the richest country in the world.
If the second generation of Bowers did not import white women.
it would be the richest country that's that's that's that's brosha that's bullshit come on think about it
think about it they they had full control and prosperity uh you're trying to start like a george
sorrows open society bull market and like it's not bottomed yet i'm just i'm just i'm just
giving you guys some devil's actually you're too concerned now it's like you're little
little too early i think i think that the real i think that the real counter that proposition
is just like the the the stock would have maybe been a little bit too diluted to bake the country into what
it uh
into what it needs to be at that point it's like at the very beginning like you start
at that point what's the point like if you don't have like your lineage and like you don't have
like your your family and friends that like look like you like what the fuck is the point like i i
agree with that but i think it's i think it's even a more a deeper issue of means it's like you know
if uh if you're too if you're too dilute then you know the stock that actually uh let's say
build things it's just it's just not gonna it's not gonna it's not gonna have enough of a share
I will say it.
What does your family name even mean at that point?
If it's just like endlessly like diluted by like different factions of people who like wanted you kill it.
I don't know.
It's just.
Yeah.
I think I think that's the real like maybe like the the real meta of like what's going on right now in like Western countries especially as people are kind of like waking up to this notion that like.
oh shit like i actually like have a lot of affection for like me and my own or whatever and i
didn't even realize it uh until like it's kind of being like there's a lot of propaganda too
like a lot of people have been kind of uh
have been manipulated into like this kind of arrangement where we just import like a gorilla in third worlders and then we're just told like shut up and like hey this is actually not only is this like not bad but here's why it's so good for you and i think people are starting to wake up to the fact that like hey hey asshole like maybe that wasn't so good to have like all these people who have their own like tribal bullshit that they bring with them here like we shouldn't do that but it's almost to the point where it's like
it's almost too late.
Not to be a doom or anything like that,
but it's almost like too late to kind of reverse that trend.
And now it's like,
and you look at you like, so what?
At that point, you have to like,
you have to resort to some, uh,
canny means of basically administrating and bridging the population not like full on uh i i wouldn't
this ends in violence i don't know exactly like how it looks like like but it ends in one faction
versus another yeah i i i definitely agree with that it's like it's like the whole like premise of
like brazilification because that's like ultimately like kind of like the the noun for this
like it's uh brazil is not a healthy picture like it's
It's like,
that's why I laughed when he said,
yeah,
bro,
look at Brazil or something.
I forget what he was like,
bro.
We kind of have a template for this.
That's your goal case.
I don't know,
man.
I'm not investing,
Yeah,
I agree.
I do appreciate having somebody else
take the other side of his stance,
though.
Like,
I don't know.
I mean, it's just, I haven't heard many people advocate for like, like, like, more, like, like, like, like less white people in South Africa.
I think, I think the argument.
It's not about less white people.
It's about, it's about integration, right?
It's about how do you, how do you create?
It's literally about creating a buffer, like from the perspective.
Yes, it's a buffer.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, like.
Yeah, but if you have to socially engineer your population into, like, doing something, I don't know, like, like, you're probably not the.
You're putting on a savior.
Like you're probably doing something malicious, right?
I don't know.
Like every country is like form of the basis of socially engineering their citizens.
Yeah.
Like that's kind of how countries work, TBH.
Yeah.
It's only like social engineering that's good.
And then everyone else is exactly.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's social engineering when they do it.
And it's governance when I enact it, right?
It's the country now.
It's just valid in acting governance.
This is just what we do.
Like this is what we do here.
We've been doing it forever.
Which country has the best social engineering you think?
I'm not sure.
i don't actually know enough about china it's to be made that it's germany actually i think
the u.s probably has a good social engineer i was going to say i think it has to be the u.s
because it's like which which company which country has the highest GDP right it's like social
engineering is literally just a product of like uh how good is your country right like you can
directly say like how good is the country social engineering by like how good is the country i think
i think the way you measure this is
You take a poll of the population of like this question.
Like, who do you think does the best social engineering?
And whatever country gets to like, what social engineering or like, you know, we don't do that in our country.
Like those people.
Well, that's also a mirror.
They're probably the biggest.
And the US would do that for sure.
People would say like, oh, you're not doing that.
Like, I'm believing in these things on my own free will.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's social engineering.
Like, you got side up, bro.
Like this, my parents, when they like randomly called me and spurged out about like, uh,
like Elon doing something with Doge recently. At some point, there's a point where they were like
discussing like what propaganda was and it like occurred to me that like they just see all things
on the internet as propaganda, but everything that they consume they don't see is propaganda.
And this is many people in America is just like
It's not like, oh, like I am immersed constantly in a sea of propaganda.
It's like, oh, like everyone who disagrees.
Like everyone on the other side got propagandized, but I am like.
It's so in suffering.
Like that's how you can kind of refute white nationalism and like pretty fast.
Because you can just say like, would you date and marry an Asian woman and then have a child?
If yes, then it's already a proof that you do think race mixing works just with some races and not others.
Right.
But so I think the idea of like the stock purity.
is a notion that I think only a couple cultures actually really hardcore do it.
Very few actually do it that way.
Like even something like Japan, right, which people think of as homogenous,
it is really not that homogenous.
Like China's also not that homogenous.
Like people don't study history.
Hokkaido did not belong to Japan until like the early 1900s.
Like it literally is another island.
Okinawa also like literally different people.
I think this was like a really big weirdness in the whole like debate about white nationalism for so long is because you would have like libtards calling people white nationalists.
But it's like these people would all have like non-white wives or something.
And they would be like, I'm not actually a white nationalist.
Like I'm just racist, right?
And so it's like this weird thing where like you probably cannot find a white nationalist who self-identifies as like a white nationalist who has like a non-white wife.
Right.
Because like people actually realize that this is somewhat ridiculous.
I think right now is like the overweight period to like year.
right now is the overreaction period to the years of like gigawoke like anti-racist rhetoric like you can't say anything about any like you can't say things like you know certain races have higher scores and other races you can't do these kind of things and now we have the massive reaction against this which is like okay like obviously this is non-scientific but like it's not it's just not true i think that like if you look at americans like
general rates of race mixing, it's very high compared to other countries, and that's been a lot of its success.
Like, there were cases before where, like, you know, when JFK would became president, the biggest scandalous thing is that he's a Catholic, right?
The idea of an Irish Catholic being a president is insane.
Like Irish Catholics and Protestants' race mixing, that would be considered race mixing, like 150 years ago.
It'd be like completely unhurtly.
That's true.
That's actually a good point.
Yeah, that's true.
But this is just always the meme, right?
Like, there's always going to be like a group that forms to differentiate.
But like, there's always going to be some sort of like, uh, ethnic group.
Yeah.
You, you, you cannot actually like get rid of racism in the sense that like, no matter
how racially similar a group is, they will still find some difference, right?
Like you can have like the meme where it's like the two Korean guys and they're like,
fuck you, we don't like your kind here.
Yeah, yeah, like I mean, look at like like inter Latina racism, right?
Like that is that is actually like more.
I love all the hatred that like all of the Latinos hate Argentina.
Yeah.
Or like I mean, look at like black people versus light skins or like, you know, Asians versus farmer Asians or like whatever.
You know, like there's always like racism actually cannot be stopped.
Like it must be integrated in some way.
That's a bouquet.
Yeah.
It cannot be stopped.
It's just too easy of a divide to make.
It's like, it's like the game theoretic thing, it's like the more visible a shelling point is, like the more like dynamics are always going to conform to it, right?
Yeah.
I think, I do think like, I think racism has strong like long term fundamentals, but like it might be showing signs of like a local top or something.
I don't.
Now too openly okay with it.
Easy fade here.
I mean, in the same way that people were like bears on racism for the last like 10 years.
Like they're now bulls on.
They were bears on it for the wrong reason, right?
Because they like misidentified it.
Now they're bulls on it for the wrong reason.
Right.
Like people might say like, oh, racism good because the people I hate disliked it.
Right.
But it's like.
Do they mean actual racism?
Do they mean like meme racism?
Like,
like racism has been like redefined.
The reason that everyone is like bullish on racism is not because they're actually
going around like see,
hiling every black person they meet on the street.
It's it's because it's just because like,
racism got redefined to mean like anytime you say anything that may be like true but is like saying X group is better at this thing than Y group, right?
So I think yeah, I think it's a lot of just people were tired of being told what to say.
So they were like racist as bad.
They're like, fuck you.
I'm a racist.
Or like flat more flatly that like it's a good thing
that your race is being discriminated against.
Like I like in college, like I was flatly told
that like it's a good thing that like my resume
would be looked on negatively compared
to like literally like an equivalent resume
from like a minority.
Yeah, yeah, that one, that one actually did form like a lifelong tilt out among like Zumer Man.
Like I don't think they're going to give get over that one.
Yes.
That's why I'm telling you.
Like I don't think I don't think it's like, you know, I think it's like kind of dangerous to like long racism at these levels.
But like I still think there's a way to go.
Like there's just a lot of.
I think there's some deep seated resentment that.
It's on to the point that I think.
People are idealizing a thing that doesn't exist, you know, like they're idolizing the idea of, like, a white Rhodesia that doesn't exist.
It's like that's a good example.
That's all, like, polemics, man.
It's like, people kind of, like, latch on to ideas because, like, they're, they kind of, like, they kind of, like, mimically or like, white people, yeah.
Yeah.
It's like they memetically are, like, or, like, sentimentally, like, kind of, like, buttress something, something that they're feeling like their actual lives, right?
It's, like, kind of what I alluded to with, like, my own anecdote, like,
like a huge amount of the rhetoric in this country like like America is probably the worst but it's it's present basically the entire west is more or less like kind of like subtly or even outright exterminationist with regards to white people
Like at some point, it's like, it's like there's going to be like some like template that like is going to that people are going to seize upon like regardless of how like true to like reality it is quote unquote.
But they're going to seize upon it because it's better because at the very least it's better than just like bowing to like this rhetoric.
you know yeah like it's always gonna it's it's it's gonna it's like racism right now it always probably
will like have like some form of racism you have to have some kind of like race like essentialism in
order even just to say that like it's like it's okay or good that i'm white because like that's like
also like a negative i mean i think my point is that it's always it's always syncretic it's like
i think you you're going to see mexicans be considered white within like 30 years it's funny
It's already happening.
They're like,
they already do that selectively in crime stats.
How do you know?
Yeah,
you know,
it's like,
I was Mexican or something.
That is definitely showing signs
at a local top,
I think it's best to...
We've got an amazing exchange between two of our greatest commenters here.
Safi's saying, shill us a low cap.
Oopi's saying tri-Etherium.
Ox is now a low cap.
It's a 15-mill gem.
So, actually, Ox.
A diamond in the rough, one might say.
Diamond in the rough.
Try Ethereum.
Imagine Ox with the market cap of Ethereum.
That's going to be from Ethel falling.
I was throwing people a few weeks ago.
I was saying, like, when I was doing my bullposts near the Ox, too, and having
fun, I was saying, like, Ox is looking like B&B pre-B Binance.
And, like, and people would comment or DM me and say, fuck you, asshole.
And, you know, it's funny.
Die.
Imagine Ox flipping hyperliquid.
That would be, man, that would be.
That would be pretty funny.
I like the meme that people are doing now of like charting their coin versus ether.
And like if you pick the right time frame, you can make anything look really, really good, right?
I was starting at this against Zero Bro against like all these shitters that went down 99%.
And I was like, you know, sideline. So that's
That's a good tip.
If your coin looks bad here, you just have to chart against something that looks even fucking
worse.
I think we should start doing like really, really like deceptive, disingenuous charts.
Like I think we should start posting like hugely misleading charts.
I haven't seen much of that this cycle.
When I posted the chart, I made sure to leave in the ticker at the very top right.
So only if you clicked zoom in.
You know, you'd see the chart to look green.
And obviously, it'd be looking good here.
And then you click as it goes to the top right,
you see APT, zero, bro, and then people, yeah.
Because you gotta put up the Ox chart on Ox 1
and then put it on log mode.
Put it on what mode?
Just zoom out, bro.
Log mode?
You go to the right, you go to logarithmic.
So can you explain actually what's the I mean of course people have explained it a thousand times but like do you believe like
Do you believe log is the correct when to look at the chart or not or did it? Yeah, I think so
I think for all you want to live again a lot
Why so? Well because the way that numbers work in crypto is like up down like the range expansions like well when it goes down it goes down like 90% and when it goes up it goes up like 5x
So you kind of want to see it in like that range compression like you know
I see.
So, so, yeah.
It's hard to explain, but like, things just get parabolic, right?
Like, when they go up, they go up parabolic.
Down to them.
They can go up and then they go down further than you think they can go up.
Yeah.
Exactly.
That's a good way to put it.
Yeah, logging them just like smoothens the fact that the coin then goes up another 80%
on the last day.
And like, if you benchmarked to that, you may think that like,
you know, that that price matters as an anchor, but actually like logarithmically,
that number is not actually that interesting. And then commercially on the bottom, on the downside
is the same. It's like, you know, like Salana is not that interesting of a bottom in late
2022 because it's there for like a week. And also like logarithmically, it gets smoothened out as well.
like if you don't do logarithm you'll actually like not buy coins as they go up and
like fast enough because you'll be like i missed the saw at seven dollars now it's like 18
now it's over but if you charge sold and log you'll you'll be like if i'm right it's going to go to
like 180 or something so yeah don't they say like the i'm not a trader really but like the
i think there was some old book that they made and it was it was saying that like
you want to capture six eighths of the trade but like the first eighth and the last eighth
are always like the hardest and that's where all the four why did they say six eighths instead
of three fourth that's crazy yeah i think it's like five eight's probably five eights
i was going to say like i've always tried to get like half of every move but i mostly fail but like
that's my target is 50 i do think it comes down to personality types they're like um
Like, it's easier to identify bottoms than tops.
This is negative about coded.
But no, but it is easier to, I mean, for me, at least, to identify when something is
bottoming.
But when something is topping, I'm always thinking, like, I'm always bad at tops.
I'm like, oh, this could still 100x because here's the reason why.
But when things are getting flooded, I'm like, yeah, I can't get much worse than this.
Like, it's a pretty good buying opportunity.
So, so.
So, you teach us how to make money.
Well, what you do is if you think the bottom is in.
you can deposit your meme coins your alt coins to ox fund you can low leverage long majors like
bitcoin eats long if you do this and you're right not only do you keep your original coin but you also
make a bunch of new money so i think long or you could also you could also short the bottom
of everything you don't even short the bottom but that would make you lose this
I'm going to spam all your team while I'm here to add in the APDOS deposit.
I saw you have the hyperliquid deposit.
Do we not have APTUS deposit?
I don't know. Actually, I haven't checked.
Fire blocks cucked again. Fire blocks like the eternal enemy.
I'm honestly 90% sure we have apps already, but I'm going to say check now.
We have not found any response. We have like, we have a,
We have copper. We have Anchorage.
We don't have APTOS.
Yeah, you're right. We don't have AFIS.
Your sideline, bro.
Super signline.
Going to APTUS, April, like, that's pretty close to ERAC.
It's pretty bad.
Can you guys add spot to Ox so I never have to leave Ox?
Yes, we're adding it soon, 2028.
It's the infamous soon.
That's like, that's the dev timeline for like two days, two weeks, or two years.
You just never know.
He was on the road map.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
My favorite S word.
Add spinning cat to ox.
You could do that.
Spinning cat?
It's the, I forgot the, I can hear it in my head, but I forgot how to spell it.
I think it's the meme in China.
Is it like a tweaker cat?
Like he spun up?
It's the great cat that's like...
Dude's spinning?
Okay, never mind.
I almost don't want to say it because it's like...
I've seen some videos of cats when they live with a tweaker and they like exhale the meth clouds at the cat.
That thing just gets fucking.
Oh, is that the techno remix one?
Is that the spinning cat?
That's the point.
Yeah, that one.
That's the point that's the only spinning cat I can think of.
I think he's saying we should list it.
I think he's not saying we added to our website.
Technology.
Yeah.
So that's what I'm going to be able to list any meme coin.
We won't quote it for you, but we'll list it.
And then you can find your own liquidity.
So to be your friends into liquidity, you know, put in a huge bid to show your skin in the game.
What if, what if we like completely recreate like Meteora DLMM, but like just through like manual pools?
Like you have ox, ox liquidity management tools on.
Like through this, you can buy a like 50K MCApt coin on leverage as long as you can find someone who wants to sell it to you.
Because if you put in a bit above the spot market, someone's going to sell to you and then buy spot, right?
So at some price, someone's going to do some ARP to you.
Safi is saying that Ansem just launched a coin. That seems like, I don't know.
I don't know if he launched a coin, but I know yesterday he said, somebody asked him,
like, if you were to launch a coin, what would it be named?
I think he said Z.
Z, right? He said Z.
So a bunch of people probably launched fake Z coins and they're saying like, oh, like,
yo, like Z's my friend, bro. Like, he launched this coin, like, come buy the shitter.
Yeah, like somebody has like one of all, like, Anselm's old, like, addresses or one
of the ones associated with like his old, uh,
Like someone has like the ansome wallet that is like described as anson's wallet on like arkham but it's like mislabeled and it's not actually his and someone paid them like a hundred k for it and they launched this or something shit.
Yeah.
You missed the point where too many people know that oh, this is Doc's wallet and then people will like obviously they won't sell major coin or they won't sell like certain meme coins but on on side.
They'll just continually dump.
So it's you can't play the Doc's wallet game.
It doesn't really work that long though it's Ansom's time dot fun token.
Oh, okay.
What do you think about that?
I think that gets interesting, but I don't know how much.
I mean, I think the idea, the idea is like, I guess in some ways interesting, but the
big problem is like, what volume of people are there willing to bid on the time for a call
with a crypto KOL, right?
Like, I think the-
Maybe we should-
What?
We should sell time of this stream.
Like, if you buy it, you get to come on the stream for like 15 minutes or something.
Yeah, you got you should do some variation of like a talk show where people call it on Ox.
Dot stream.
Yeah, and then they like complained about their problems in crypto like I don't know.
Yeah, like that'd be very cool.
I don't know how you filter that stuff.
Obviously, you almost want the crazy things because that.
I think you know some filter.
It's go Dr. Phil style.
Yeah.
Yeah, like some sort of hotlines event like Hey bro, I'm in this, I'm in fucking Adam.
Like it's looking bad here.
Like what do I do?
you know that'd be pretty funny we we actually have like no market related advice but we have like
mostly coping related advice we're like yeah well like Bali is like a good place to go if you're
like feeling a lot of anxiety there's like good beaches there's a lot of beautiful people you can
go to the gym and like blow off some stress drugs are readily available like that is interesting
like what with uh is there a correlation you think with like what coins people hold to like what
cities or climates they prefer
Oh, absolutely.
There is some correlation.
Yeah.
Huge correlation.
Like if you're a Bitcoin Maxi, you're like, usually you don't want to be in like these
like Bali type places.
You're probably want to be like on your own farm in like French Riviera type thing
or like in Argentina or like Montenegro or something.
But if you're like a shit, if you're an empty guy, like a super shit corner, you're in some
four places.
Safi is like an insane gigacad.
It's just eating 200 soul into these random things.
which platform i think so time dot fun was this platform that allowed you to like sign up and like
uh your ticker would trade uh based on like like if someone would purchase like 30 minutes of
your time coin they would get like a 30 minute call with you as like a consultant or something
like that like it is it is kind of like a fun idea but only if like enough of the people on it are
actually already like acting in a capacity as consultants because like if this is the first
time anyone's ever done a consult call um
People probably don't really want or care to like...
There's a lot of value in those kind of small consulting calls, right?
Like, first of all, a lot of people understand what their time is actually worth.
Like, if you could get on the phone like some very specific person who solved your problem
like in a very high level way and he's charging, even if he's charging like a few thousand
dollars per minute.
I mean, if you only need 10 minutes and it's, you know, you pay 30 grand or something, like,
but you're solving a $300,000 problem or a $3 million problem.
Like that is actually great ROI, assuming that you get the information you need to solve the problem.
So I think a lot of people look at it like it's lame.
Like, oh, why would you like pay for time?
Like he's just like that seems like, like people like a lot of the kind of normans will say like, oh, like you just paid him 30 grand and speak to him for 10 minutes.
But like.
I don't know, like, there was like some huge amount you can get from certain information, right?
I feel like it's not just the information.
It's the clarity and knowing that like, like, like you could give me like,
a man on the street could give me literally the same exact words and the same advice,
but because it's coming from somebody who's actually done exactly what I'm trying to do,
you will take it so much more seriously hearing it from some.
Yeah, there's like an accountability that you buy with it.
Like I mean, I've done this.
Like if I don't, if I don't really like what a team is doing, uh,
then I like charge them for the console call.
If I do like what they're doing, then I'm like, I don't know, we should just like integrate something and work together, right?
But like that is the problem is it's like I'm revealing that now.
It's like if I charge you, I'm saying like I think you just shouldn't do this idea in the first place or else I would want to be more involved.
You can delete this live stream.
Wouldn't time not fun end up being like escorting in some ways?
Like you could like it's kind of like that.
Yeah, like you pay for 30 minutes of Lucas Belly dancing.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's going to, if you're listed on time, that's fun, you're not going to be able
find a wife or something in a few years in the future.
We're heading towards it.
Yeah, exactly.
So short, short, the Salonica market and like, go along the APTA's KOL market, which
is just, which is like literally just me.
Yeah.
i kind of hate this from k-o-l too but influence the word influencer is more like what to kind of
coded like youtube instagram star so k-wl's like specific i like the term k-o-l because it's like so
cold that it's like funny right like it's like such a fucking uh it's it's it's such a fucking like
KPI freak term.
Dude, I used to love me using KPI.
Sounds so fucking smart.
I'm like, yeah, like according to our KPI is.
It's such like a PM coded word in an industry that actually has no PMs, that it's funny
to me.
Also the word when pronounced is literally pronounced as coal.
Like it's like KOL is literally pronounced KOL.
So like I overuse KOL all the time because it's like extremely funny to me.
Yeah, it's like an underhanded fuck you too.
It's like oh yeah.
It's like it's yeah.
It's it's a bad internet.
It's also the fun.
The funny thing is that like the the K stands for key right?
But then it's like KOL now is just like all it's like it's like it's actually a superfluous word like it could just be OL.
Like you don't need to say key.
What is a key opinion?
Like, it all comes back to like the-
leader is already-
It's who is best at social engineering.
That's really what comes down to, I guess,
going back to our original conversation, right?
Tess, Savvy says,
that's kind of the bare case with marketing and advertising
and stuff like that is you kind of learn
that a lot of these little things you learn
are just actually just social engineering things,
which are kind of malicious, right?
Like you learn things like,
if you're making a headline, make it seven words
because that's like, that has the high click-through rates
and for whatever reason it like fire something in your brain.
Yeah, it's kind of a dystopian, like, when you get into really like advertising copy and like what converse and what doesn't.
It all comes down to like manipulating people, like manipulating people to buy the things that like they don't really need, but you're convincing them they really fucking need.
Safi is up like 500 soul in the last like 15 minutes.
Like while we were talking about like whether KOL is like a good or a bad acronym, Safi made like a hundred jay.
He's farming good.
And he like, he told everyone too.
Like he literally like came in here and he said like Anselm launched a coin.
And then he said like here's the tweet.
Here's the link.
And then he said like, I'm investing now.
And now it's like.
Like this is another one of those cases where like you really, if you faded this one, you have no one to blame but yourself.
And also it reflects sort of like badly on us because we were sitting here the whole time talking about acronyms.
But-
Savi is putting on an idea, which is to tokenize the like sleepover at Lucas's place for $250.
Like Airbnb.
Yeah, we have enough spare bedrooms.
We could run that with like 10 people.
You actually run that.
You have to bet them to make sure they're not going to like rape you or something.
But it would be funny.
Yeah.
I think it's probably the guest who I'd have to guard at this point.
Right.
It's like that could be weird.
Yeah.
That would be good.
Yeah, this is so much funnier in all cabs, dude.
It's like, I need it.
Like, I need the ticker now.
Yeah, it was a CCA.
Nice, you got Rasmir in.
in the chat what is razz in chat he bull posted aftos once oh base joking too but uh yeah so
i'm not i'm not fighting in razz yeah by the way razz you're you're good to hop in uh
hop in these morning things and i guess they're like night things over in uh he's probably
bottomed out all the people don't believe them so he's probably bottomed out i wouldn't
it's kind of stupid to be like i love rasm his his hefe uh interview was really important for
Yeah, no, Rasmor's base.
Oh, cool.
Razmer and O.G. are like two of my boys.
I like the rest of the guys down at the thing, but I haven't hung out with them nearly as much.
Razmer and O.G. are gig of friends, though.
You know what good narrative is that Lucas is the CTOing L.A. Babe Cabal.
And he's now the founder. He's cleaned it up and he's rebooting it.
But I like stopped vaping. So like I smoke now. I like I didn't clean it up. I actually made it even dirtier, right? Like I'm giving them all cancer.
I was flying here and they were like they were like trying to fud me out of my vape. I mean, I don't have them. Only trolling. But on the flight, they were like, you know, bringing your vaping here is like imprisonable or it's like a.
They asked to see your vape and it wasn't it wasn't a geek box and they just punched you in the face.
All you're fucking losing.
You're broke.
The shit is fucking lame and they, you know, they buck break you and they go with you or something.
It's like the Apple versus Android of vapes.
The vape thing is a real problem that like it's just like.
When I'm in the States, I see like 14 year olds just like constantly inhaling it.
I'm like, man, this is, I don't want to be like.
No, but that's actually a 32 year old.
They only look like they're 14 because they haven't been aged by the effects of smoking, right?
Like if they'd been smoking, you'd realize they would look 60 problems.
They haven't graduated yet.
Do you just not think that in 25 years they're going to find out like vaping just like destroys half your lungs?
Dude, I don't know what it is.
Vaping and those pouches feel so much fucking worse than nicotine gum and smoking.
Smoking Asian cigarettes specifically.
European ones are okay too, I guess.
But, like, U.S. cigarettes are clearly filled with some sort of, like, flame retardant cancer, like maxing giga chemical.
I'm not really a big smoker.
I mean, if it's like a social environment, like, I'll take a few pops, but...
yeah i just i don't know i just don't really see the upside like i just i just hold downside i also
think with smoking with smoking the fact that it makes you leave the building go outside and like
walk around like once every three hours i think that probably like offsets a large amount of the
negative effect of like the actual health of like health detriment of smoking whereas with vaping you can
just like
Any drug that allows you to just sit there and hit the drug with like no come down or consequence winds up being like really unhealthy.
Like this is a big problem with benzos.
This is a huge problem with like opiates.
Like you can just sit there popping pills forever.
And it like.
You know, like you don't really have like a calm down until you get like really addicted.
I have an addictive personality.
Like I've taken like some of these drugs and you know like now that I know a lot more about myself.
Like I just like stay away because I remember like taking MDMA and like out of role, especially when I'm studying.
And like after my second time taking it, I'm like, how do I like, how do I find a way to take this more?
to be more effective or it's just like you start going to the hyper autist mode and then at the time you don't really think it's like a big deal but then i look back on this and i'm like holy shit i could have been like an addict very easily so you have to be kind of careful with like
If you know your personality type is obsessive and you really want to,
if you're going to do something, you do the highest, like the end of degree, then yeah,
it's looking bad, drugs are looking bad here.
But I want to have the experience that like, hey, I've tried this and I know what this is like
and I can speak about it like.
I mean, but the thing with like substance addictions is that like as much as society like plays them up,
I think like there are way more worse addictions that like almost everyone has.
Like, like, if you think about like internet addiction or like phone addiction,
or like porn addiction.
What do you feel like when you were,
I think you went to prison in Singapore for like three or four months, right?
That's why we're awesome dreams.
Yeah, I would say 90% of the value of prison
is just to break your phone addiction.
It's to break your internet addiction.
Should I start vaping?
This is, like, that's what like Safi's condensed all of the last 30 minutes of talking about how bad vaping is into.
Yeah, we missed the end.
He's like, fuck.
He's like, he's like, this must be like a local bottom, right?
Like they've been flooding vaping for like 30 minutes.
Like I should buy here.
Vap coin.
Yeah.
Wow.
We're going to revive some old ticker.
I'm sure it exists.
Did Bap to earn end up launching them?
Is anyone rich off vape to earn?
Like, do we have a vape to earn billionaire?
I saw that.
I saw that and somebody else posted.
Like, I'm hooking, like, a fucking shop vac up to this hoe.
And I'm going to start yield farming this in my garage.
Just, like, getting, like, 50 vapes, hook them up to shop facts.
And just inhale constantly, have some sort of script where, like, every four or five seconds,
and, you know, the, it turns on.
I don't know if it's live.
But, yeah, I mean, from a mindshare perspective, they're doing very good because it's very controversial.
And it's, like, very...
It's just funny, right? Like, Vap's to earn. It's just like, yeah, that was a good marketing move.
Like in like a few cycles before, like the dental coin or whatever, right?
Then he looked back years later like obviously they shouldn't have worked. But the funny thing is now people will hear that and it will
kind of invert it. They will say obviously this shouldn't work. But like what if it actually does work?
Honestly, though, Vap to earn is one of the better ideas in crypto the cycle just because the ideas are pretty terrible.
Yeah, it was actually one of the better products. Like
one of the better things because one i i mean you can imagine to go to market you can imagine
the go to market it's a little bit like step in right like step in like you're walking around
you're buying the sneaker and then you're walking around like babe the object doesn't cost
that much easy to mass produce and then you know the main thing is like there's going to be fraud
right people are going to run like like bait like vape farms like chop vacks and yeah yeah exactly but
But imagine, imagine you don't even have the shop vacs.
You just have like, uh, you hire like one Indonesian man.
He's hitting like 600 minutes at a time connected by like this intricate tube network.
Like he instantly develops popcorn lung.
He has to have like a constant supply of like small Indonesian children that are factory farms to give him lung replacement so he can keep hitting it.
Like Chinese like civil farms.
Like you'd be really surprised like.
There's huge farms that exist of people who were just like metrics farming.
Suzu's like I would not be surprised.
Like you don't you don't have to tell me.
You gotta start talking about Brian Johnson, by the way.
I don't know if you saw his penis gates.
The only Johnson I'm interested in talking about is Nusie Johnson.
No, Brian Johnson.
Did you see Brian Johnson's like a relationship thing?
Like the big relationship drama?
No, but like the recent thing that he did was like talking about how he takes Cialis.
he's getting this like oh yeah yeah no i've right johnson's johnson one might say okay so
brian brian johnson is actually totally correct about this uh low dose cealis was used by
bodybuilders it still is as like uh like there's a couple things one is like at some dose
cealis actually becomes uh androgenic like it's it's like it's sorry it becomes anabolic
like seallis is like actually anabolic if you take enough of this shit but uh no ceilis
that's what you're saying this is like the biggest cealis ad ever
Yeah, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't recommend buying brand names.
You should go buy the Chinese bath show, Seales, if you're going to use.
I've got something free.
But imagine you can bake Seales to earn.
So not only are you getting rock hard, but you're also earning.
No, no, no.
So here's like the misconception.
Cialis is like a P.D.5 inhibitor.
It doesn't necessarily get you rock hard.
But like.
It basically acts as like a vasodilator and like whatever your body is vaso dilating at the time gets more vaso dilated.
So like if you're in the gym and you take Seattle, because your your muscles are getting vaso tibatiate, you get like a gig of pump.
You get like a pump that's like, oh my God.
Like this is like this is this should be illegal.
I'm so pumped right now.
Unfortunately, if while you're at the gym, you like lose.
look at some girl's ass for too long you're going to get more pumped now in your penis though
right so it's just about like whatever body part you're pumping it's going to get giga pumped
like so much more pumped than usual
And so like if you're doing this in general, it probably like like it can be used as like a treatment to lower your blood pressure or something like that.
Probably better than statins.
Can't be worse than statins.
I don't know.
Lucas, I feel like this is a billion dollar idea.
So why don't we just like white label Cialis and then resell it like a new brand?
I'm actually, with all these benefits.
Like a cult of this thing.
Because it's because like Seattleis or to Laotophil, to dollar, whatever the thing is, whatever the trade name is, it's like a medically regulated supplement in the U.S.
So you can't sell it at OTC.
Yeah, but you can make some sort of Indian equivalent that it's like missing one of the ingredients, right?
Where it's like basically the same.
It's like it don't have the same.
I read some.
But it's like it's like a drug.
Like it's like a specific like pharmaceutical combat.
You can't just like sell it on YouTube.
Like you can't just like ship it.
No, no. Like, I would, I would actually have done this.
Roughly, yeah, yeah. What about what kind of like, what if you created like a P-to-P Cialis, like market where it's getting shipped by like, like you're buying on eBay or something?
Is that regulated? Is this like what Ross Albright did? Is this Silk Road?
Yeah, this is this is just Silk Road. Yeah, it sounds like a rough to do Silk Road.
Yeah.
Yeah, I wonder, I wonder, so...
What's he doing now, you think?
Is he just, like, chilling?
And he's like, holy shit, I can't believe I'm fucking out of prison.
And he just like...
He had a really funny tweet a few days ago where he was like,
eBay sucks, man.
I'm trying to sell him on some stuff.
Like, there's got to be a better eBay.
Like, I'm thinking about making one.
Seriously?
Is that that that?
Yeah.
eBay is starting to become like Craigslist here, and it's like usability.
Is that a bullpost or...
I haven't heard of anyone using eBay in years.
I use eBay a lot for like spare parts for shit, right?
Like if you like break some component of something or you need like, you're like,
ah, fuck, like this guy rearended me and I need like a new muffler or something.
Just go buy it on eBay and you'll find like it's always the easiest way to get the shit.
Yeah.
We have some good commentary from the peanut gallery.
Dude, that's illegal.
Al-M.
It's like, yeah, he's got a point.
We should do a Seales mixer.
Wait, was this the guy that was selling, was this the guy that was selling like pictures of, like he took a picture of like an NFT and sold it on it.
Because I saw somebody on crypto Twitter like posting that they found listings for this stuff.
That's actually kind of amazing if this is a guy.
If this guy is in our stream, it's like having a real life celebrity.
I'm just putting this up now.
So there's natural versions of Seattle as you can do, right?
There's natural versions of like dick enhancement pills, but like, like, Cialis is, uh, it is,
it is like just a good drug.
Like it's hard to compete with the original shit, man.
It's like the, uh, the tale of the research chemicals playing catch up forever when like
the original Cialis just gets you harder than anything else.
So I was telling, uh, I think it was Rune.
I told Rune this the other day, but like, when, uh,
So bodybuilders always do this like Cialis thing.
At some point, they all try it, right?
And because bodybuilders are who they are fundamentally, like after they realize, wait,
like if I take a small dose to get like a huge pump, what happens if I like take like 50 times
bigger of a dose, right?
And then they just like instantly like explode their brains or like pass out with this one guy managed to give himself like a nose bleed, which is something that like doesn't make any sense to me because it should lower your blood pressure to near zero.
So I don't know how you would get a nose bleed.
He was thinking too hard.
He posted he posted a video of him like with him and like a hooker and he's just like dripping blood from his nose onto like the hooker's back in like this Facebook group I was in in like 2013.
I hope he makes it
whoever he is
He definitely had already made it
Like he was fucking jacked
Like he was torqued out
In the Philippines or something or what
No he was in the US
I think he was in New York
This guy was pretty cool
Like if people
If people graduated college
And they needed like references
He would like pretend
That he'd like employed them
Or like had them intern
That's a really great
Yeah, he got a bunch of people jobs.
That's a really great idea.
Like, you just have like 50 trap phones, different, like different sins, different numbers.
And you can just like cycle them out every month.
Because you only like when you make a reference point, like most of the time they're just a bluff.
Like they don't actually call.
Yeah.
And say, hey, tell me about so and especially if it's like a low level, low mid level job.
So yeah, you could sign.
I mean, they don't usually even call anymore.
Like nobody verifies.
That's what I mean.
Like, it's like very rare.
But if they do, you don't want to be caught bluffing, right?
Yeah.
I don't know. I'm sure there is somebody doing that gig at a pretty decent scale.
I mean, you'd be really surprised. Like, a lot of people in crypto are not very like business savvy, but like there are businesses like even in your little shit in hometown you grew up in that actually make like a hundred grand, if you have a grand a month doing like something super assign like grouping or like, you know, you'd be really surprised like how much money some of these small businesses make.
This was part of what convinced me to quit my job was when I looked around at local businesses and I was like, wait, a lot of these are like horribly mismanaged and they're still making like way more than like working at like working at like even like engineering at a high level is going to do.
Yeah. I'm not sure how this ends though because you have all these people wanting to do some of it. I think that I'm not sure how.
There can only be so many roofing, roofing companies.
There can only be so many lawn care companies, right?
There can only be so many meme coin traders.
There can only be so many electricians.
It can always be more.
Electrician was that was probably the most profitable one.
If you could go and start like an electrical company, like plumbing was like, eh, but
like electricians I knew are pretty universally printed.
Yeah, the issue is that you're too location dependent.
Like, you're just, like, trapped into some town, like, I don't know.
And it's also very heavily, like, every town has its own specific regulation surrounding the wiring.
I'd rather just make, like, if I really had to pick a, like, pick some sort of occupation and I wasn't, like, flexible, I would, I definitely prefer having the ability to relocate and travel and be remote.
And yeah, I don't want to be trapped in some shit town for 50 years.
Like, that is...
this is probably true rich piano bricked up all the time rich piano's entire body was built to be
one one human torque like just one gigatork rich piano is uh the origin of one of one of the
funniest royd copes he's my favorite macro bro the smaller your balls are the bigger your dick looks
Rich Piana is so big that despite the fact he's never actually given any sort of financial market insight.
He is a macro guy.
Like he's just a big guy, right?
Like by definition, he's become the macro guy.
Oh shit.
He died.
Yeah.
No, Rich Piana sunsetted a couple years ago, unfortunately.
He said, I remember he said, anything in tags, right, babe?
Yeah.
And then it was...
the five percenters or whatever yeah yeah five percent is such like a funny cutoff number two like
i loved that i was saying last month i was like yeah like five percenters well aptose and
shit like that so the cool thing with athos is like everyone hates it so much that like they just
assume you're not actually bullish so it's like really funny to bull post so that's kind of the
bull case for it on that side but yeah i'm looking to show too hard right now
So I'll have I'll be here like at least a week.
So I'll probably come on every time.
You may be trapped here actually.
The flight out of here is going to be asked.
You really want to sit on that flight again, bro?
Like you might as well just move here.
Yeah, visa or what?
Like, what's the scheme you're doing?
I can hook you up.
You need a visa.
We got you.
Dude, that'd be cool.
But I don't know.
We'll have to work that out.
Yeah.
But yeah.
Give me an aptose bag.
I'll get you a visa bill.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I got to start putting that at the end because.
Yeah, everyone's going to start coming to you for like APTO's handouts.
It's like the world's most annoying position to be in.
I think something smaller like that like I don't say exactly, but something smaller of that scale for like marketing and stuff.
And when people found out like, oh, it's guys like getting out money for doing like X, Y, and Z.
I got like all these DMs with like, bro, I'm doing this like fucking crazy bullshit.
Like I need, I need 10 grand.
I'm like, okay, man, like please like leave me alone.
There was a, like, there was a period in the bull market where I was like fairly consistently getting hit up by people who would be like, please, sir, like I just need a small loan of like $68,000 for my family who's going.
And I was like, what?
Like, dude, like, like, you do not understand how Jewish I am.
A small loan of $68,000, bro.
Like, holy shit.
Interest at least, right?
Yeah.
It's like you don't.
It's a hard money loan like, you know, like the own fork APY.
Jeez.
That's what's good.
Yeah.
I mean, now he could launch on Wildcat.
He could just launch his own stable coin on Wildcat,
and you could buy his debt there.
Interesting, yeah.
I don't know what's on about Wildcat, but who launched it?
Or who is like kind of the face of the project?
I think Lawrence is the main guy behind it.
It's actually kind of cool.
It's like basically it allows trading firms or anyone really to just issue loans.
And then you can buy a loan.
So Lucas could issue a loan and be like, this is backed by,
The full faith in credit of Lucas Fischer computer.
Yeah.
That's all day.
That's kind of cool actually.
We have basically needed like, I mean, honestly something that crypto just doesn't have is like whenever there's like some sort of like a bet or like a, like we don't really have like a centralized custody service.
We have like, okay, they're making bets again.
Everybody tag Kobe and Kobe's like, God damn it.
Like God damn it guys.
Kobe's entire life is being
taken over by like escrow
services provided as like a
charity for crypto Twitter.
Is there anybody that actually like
dislikes Kobe? I've never heard of
bear case against him.
Like he's like, what's that like
a chaotic, neutral kind of a
um like uh like matrix like i i would do like good i would do like bear case against cobi mostly just
that's when so many people like a person contrarians just have to start hating him right like
i actually feel this way i actually feel this way towards coby like i don't have a reason yet
But like, because Kobe's so universally liked and I have the contrarian instinct, like, I have to, like, restrain myself from, like, generating, like, random OBFUD just to, like, because it simply, it's so balanced.
Like, the scales are so unbalanced.
Yeah.
I knew I was local topping when I ratioed Kobe.
I was like, I don't know who was like after this.
And then I tried going for the Ronaldinho ratio and I, like, fell short because.
I said, catch this ratio nigger.
And obviously, the app those guys weren't reading hard enough.
They don't want to retweet from their company account.
Yeah.
So, you know, I went for, I went for the, that was a bold one.
I was like, if I do the, if I do the trick shot for the style points with this, I'm like, okay, this is like truly like goaded.
But if I just said ratio on the first one, I'm pretty sure I would actually ratio the guy.
There was a way.
Ration is a hard game, right?
Yeah, you have.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, there's, if you've lost it too much, I use the ratio card.
Yeah. I'm a huge Kobe fan. There was a wave of FUD after Up Only podcast because it's like FTX sponsorship. We got FUD from that. And like Lido, there was some FUD as well. That's why he went private for a long time. Because he was like CTC is cancer. CCD is cancer. But one of the cool things in crypto is like you just waited out long enough. No one remembers. So it's like kind of this nice.
reset that he did and then echo is and also like none of the new entrance know like who cobi is or
why anyone likes him so you have all of these random like salana guys who like ran up like 200k
being like you broke bitch to like Kobe and it's just like this is very silly like yeah like a
couple days ago when i tweeted like san diego 2013 picture like one guy replies like oh so we finally
know what you look like he's like
finally suzhu reveals the face docs like finally the coward reveals himself things are really
changed he was like not he was not like against he was just like oh like we finally get to see what you
look like it was that kind of it just that earnest like it can complicate like yeah like it depends
where you live and stuff like i do have a plan to face docs uh it's just it's
It's not right you have to stop repeating that you have a plan to face docs because it's going to like destroy the aura of whatever whatever the rate you have to just say like I am I'm I'm keeping the brain if anyone ever sees my face like I will have to quit right like pivot to that.
Yeah, well this is an alpha for the live stream I guess for how many people watching it.
How many people are actually watching this?
I have no idea.
It appears that we have 9,050-ish viewers.
It counts cumulative, yeah, but I don't know how to view concurrent on Twitter.
So people don't get this hardened and stop live streaming, right?
Because like, how do you bootstrap a lot of people live streaming on your network?
basically getting past the initial hump of like having no viewers yeah we actually somebody
checks their live stream has like zero of year this is actually great idea he has we should do a 30
day like 1k to 10 mil challenge on the stream so we'll just create us long a wall or should create a
fan of wallet and savi'll tell us what to buy wait this is retarded why don't why don't we do
why don't we do this trading perps on ox why are we doing this on what why are we doing this on
Because the reason you do this on chain is because you can take 1k to 10 mil on chain.
You're selling a copy trader. That's an easy little trick.
Yeah.
If it's Apple stuff that doesn't work out, like I know my followers got me.
You're basically running the Frank Degaud's book, basically.
Yeah, somebody messaged me. Somebody messaged me, I won't say who, but something messaged me, like when my stuff was blown up and they were like, bro, we should, I want to find the message, but it was like, like, Frank wants the bridge, you got to Aptos. And I was like, bro, no way, we've topped that six fucking dollars. Like, this can't be it. There was some other guy. There was, I think he was joking. I'm not sure, but there was some, there was some NFT collection. I wouldn't even give it the name because I just don't like him, but, uh,
There was some NFT collection on Aptos that they were there for like two years.
And then like with the recent thought of like Mo like Quint-quitting or whatever,
they decided, oh, we're going to bridge to Sui.
And I was like, bro, this has to be the bottom.
Like this is like a de-gots fractal.
And I told him it was a degots fractal.
The guy blocked me.
Yeah.
And then my cat was blowing up and then he was like, he like, DM me again.
I'm sorry for blocking you about that D-Gyodd's fractal man.
He's never say it again, though, still.
And then I posted the, I was like shit posting with Ox and then he was like,
LOL, and then he looked like me again.
So it's very funny.
Some people switch up and dude, some people just like, yeah.
It's so good for the hated rally, like the hated coin later.
Yeah, there's going to be a lot of stuff there.
This person is saying 6.9K and Twitter on my end.
So the thing is we have it running on mine and then we also have it running on
Susan.
Then we also have it running on abstract.
So like we're you're accumulating cumulative cumulative whatever.
more aggregation just to test out yeah no we should do youtube definitely we should do uh twitch
definitely we should do kick we should probably do kick honestly like we should just do everything
just to make like the highest number right like our goal we should just like fuck d a u's uh daily
watchers daily stream watchers you'd also like um pay for some like local
media company like i'm sure it wouldn't be that crazy to pay some local media company to like
stringer you could really inflate the stats with all the local viewership i don't know who would
actually watch but it's like we're the only ones that care about it so like paying money doesn't
make like a ton of sense necessarily because like then we're like paying to like
goon ourselves to our own Twitter numbers.
Just didn't play the stats.
Like that's the best way you do it.
It's like the CPM, you'd be really surprised like CPMs in most countries.
Like US CPMs are like $30,40 like to reach a thousand people.
But like obviously this is not the same degree as like the Philippines or India.
But bro, like the CPM is like India and the Philippines like three cents.
So like 30 cents at most.
So you can just inflate basically what a lot of people, what a lot of advertisers do when their ads starts getting steam and like likes and engagement.
and it works in the u.s market they will run the same ad this like same ad idea as well
in these like countries where cpms are like dirt cheap and basically just inflate just boost the
fucking metrics of like basically social engineering people into thinking this video is more
than it actually is in my country therefore i should probably buy this gadget or whatever
the fuck that people are selling so i don't know if you really if you really want to go for the
the view of lighting there's somebody coming up to the window
Bro, that is a horrible job.
Oh, wait, actually, I thought I was tweaking.
I thought I saw somebody on that metal thing over there.
Safi is saying, I think, 1K to 250 to 500K in 10 days is very easily doable.
It's very easily doable for Safi because Safi's like a weird, like wizard person who just like manifests money from two Solana.
He's getting some alpha from our live stream.
Like it's literally only.
Yeah, like it's literally only doable if Safi comes in and gives us like coaching.
But honestly, that would be a really good stream also.
So it would bring your notes.
I don't think there's it's too, for me it's too late to ask like who is there.
So I don't want to do that.
Safi is just like a weird like magical telegram person.
Interesting.
Like I don't remember where we found him, but he's.
That's the cool thing about the internet is you really only have to be one good, like good at one very specific thing and you will have like.
He'll be known for that, right?
Safi appears to be good at like basically everything that we've like pointed him to.
Oh, interesting.
He's a very useful guy.
He's the rest of that's who's talking about.
Yeah, let's do it.
No, we actually first met him because of, um,
There was a meme coin launch and then he bought it and he not even saying the name of the coin at this point
And he became an ox early adopter
I'm afraid to ask I'm like I'm like such a late seller on this one man like I
Everybody else is at the point of like, we are going to pretend this never happened and I'm still out there like with that shit in my name.
Dude, me mean backholders need some sort of an MK Ultra like program to graduate too.
Like if they're still backholding after like X period, there's like there needs to be some programmatic way to basically like.
basically brainwashed them that like hey this never happened i think i'm also like literally the
biggest rape victim of this coin like i think i may have lost more on this coin than like any
single other person possibly in the world so it's like no if you had this on like kick and
youtube you would get demonetized or taken down for saying that you're the biggest rape victim yeah that
that is the one problem with these all these like
Yeah, you're not allowed to say like raped as like a burr.
It's a different context.
And they'll say, what do you mean, bro?
You can't say rape in any context.
It's just like, fuck you, man.
Like, there's just too much of these.
Okay, this may be true.
This may be true.
I can't see that.
Yeah, okay.
Read the comments.
It's good for.
Out of all, out of all of the seed investors I lost.
Wait, you lost more than your seed investment, Lucas?
No, I'm saying out of all of the seed investors I lost.
Also, I'm not sure, I think.
Really?
He's keeping track.
Okay. Well, that's refreshing.
It's a tough one, tough one. Because like, mother is down so much too.
I feel like, the problem with like celeb coins, like coins around one guy or like
around like a couple guys is that
Everyone's just waiting for the guy to do more things.
But at some point, there's only so much you can do.
This is how it's a bullpast app does right now.
They're like, bro, like, what are you doing right now?
I'm like, dude, I'm doing stuff in the backhand.
Like, can you let me cook?
And they're like, you need to start posting again.
I'm like, fuck you.
Like, I have a strategy just like, but yeah, it's...
Well, the problem in crypto is that like if you ever make yourself like the front facing guy of anything, like at some point, the market's going to go down.
And at some point, people are just going to blame the only people that they know as the guys.
And now you get blamed, right?
Like Sue turned his camera off right then because he realized the implication of what I was saying.
Right.
But if.
Like the more successful and longer, any sort of streaming goes on, the more you become the guy and the more that you're destined to just be sacrificed when coins go down, right?
Yeah, actually, that is actually.
That's because my Uber just got here. I got to run to a lunch.
But, but, uh, okay. Godspeed. Uh, I actually probably should just like, uh, wind this shit down. It's been going on for damn near four hours. I have a lot of, I have a lot of work to do at this point.
I'm cracking out, man.
Already will. It was nice to hop on here, a bit late.
Yeah, we'll be on. We'll be on again tomorrow, sometime around 9 a.m. Taipei time.
Tomorrow I will actually be ready for the launch. I, I didn't know what the building was, number one.
I don't either.
I don't. Obviously, I don't know. Anyways, I forget we're on live stream. We can't docks. But yeah, he gave very vague, like,
instructions where the building was and there's like a thousand that look anyways it's a large i will
say i will say it's clearly the big death star looking silver one that was
That was accurate, but yeah, it's like, I don't know where the entry is.
I did, yeah, yeah, but I just told Kyle to handle it because I was like, I cannot,
I cannot direct it well in the stream without like also saying, hey, like here.
Yeah, like this is the exact location and the password and the way to get into the location where I'm living.
Right.
Yeah, yeah.
I won't move past it.
I guess we're running down right.
Yeah, okay.
Here we go.
Thanks for showing up.
I popped up Safi's last comment asking if you can sue me for it.
