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Suspicious Death of Virginia Giuffre: Epstein Survivors Speak Out!
Recorded: April 29, 2025 Duration: 4:52:36Space Recording
Short Summary
In a compelling discussion, participants emphasized the importance of amplifying the voices of trafficking survivors, highlighting partnerships and fundraising efforts aimed at supporting victims. The conversation also pointed to emerging trends in the crypto community towards transparency and accountability, as well as the need for continued growth in awareness and advocacy.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. you Thank you. The Thank you. What's up, everybody?
We're just waiting for Liz and everybody.
Hey, Ezra, how are you?
Doing good.
I'm glad we were able to do this on such a short notice.
I think this is going to be a very important space for people to finally listen to somebody who's been being ignored by the mainstream media, even being ignored by some independent media.
But we want to just let her speak her story.
And we want to make sure she's safe because obviously all these people ending up mysteriously dying without any
and Ezra thank you so much for doing this I know that you I guess you've done a space before but
you've never hosted one so we really we really appreciate you kind of coming out of the shadows
no pun intended um but that was your documentary, Out of Shadows. Out of the Shadows, Into the Light. No,
we really appreciate you. You've been anonymous and I know you did one space where you kind of
chimed in, but this is your first official space hosting. You have a really big platform. You post
really great content and I know you've been covering this story and just Epstein in general
a lot over the years and we really appreciate that. So thank you so much for this. This is gonna be really informative. We have
Juliet Rose Bryant in here. And I think what we're going to do is we're going to kind of just
let her tell her story. She has a lot of information. You and I and others have been in a
chat today where we've learned some new information that I didn't know and, you know, some information I find highly concerning.
But we'll get to that and see what she feels comfortable talking about.
We do have another Jeffrey Epstein survivor that is going to be coming in here.
I don't see her in here yet.
And we have some other really great people with different areas of expertise
that will be coming in later. And then we have Trump Froggy. Thank you so much, Trump Froggy,
for coming in here. And then, you know, of course, Ben Sun Tzu, who's the lawyer who can give us
some like great legal perspective on, you know, things in this situation. So I think that Ben wanted to kind of give a little introduction
and then I want to give just a little background on like kind of what the latest is with the,
you know, untimely and suspicious death of Virginia Jaffray. And then I think after that,
Ezra, you and I will go into, you know, talking to Juliet. So Ben, are you here?
you know, talking to Juliet. So Ben, are you here? Yeah, thanks, Liz. Sorry for my delay.
It's been kind of a crazy, crazy day doing my real job, right? But no, thanks, y'all,
for coming on this. And I really am excited myself about listening tonight to Juliet and
Liz, Shadow of Ezra, and then Trump Frog. I know if we had a fourth co-host
spot, we'd have Trump Frog up here too. He does a really good job on that. But we're going to cover
some of these topics. I mean, we've had some of the Epstein. I know I've been host and co-host on
some spaces in the past with some of the Epstein survivors on here and have talked to many of them privately, more of an illegal context over the past couple of years. And so it's
relevant, it's always relevant because of what we're dealing with, but especially lately
with the alleged suicide that has occurred. I think we're going to get some insight into that.
But we really want to hear from Juliet. And I'm going to kind of just stay in the background a
bit. And we will field some questions. But first, we're going to have Liz and Chavezra just kind of
run with us with Juliet so we can present what she has to say. Then we're going to get some
questions up here as well. So thank you guys. Liz, why don't you, I know you kind of did introduce
Shadow Vezra and Shrumpfrog, but why don't you guys go ahead into introducing the main guest
speaker? Before I do that, let me tell you guys a quick story of how I started
speaking to Liz. She's going to start laughing, but you guys remember during the Diddy situation
last fall, I think it was September or October. So I had made a post in connection with Kim
Kardashian and Diddy, right? So that post went so viral, like 15, 20 million views.
It got so viral that I received an email from Kim Kardashian's lawyer.
She was telling me, you better take this down or we're going to sue you for defamation.
And I was still kind of like new with this whole X thing.
Not like I wasn't new, but I don't know about legal law and defamation for social media.
I reached out to Liz immediately.
You know what Liz told me?
She basically, I'm not quoting her directly, but she was like,
tell them to shove that email up their ass.
But by the time she told me that, I had already deleted my post
because I had no freaking clue how to deal with these people.
That was the first time I dealt with like a high-profile celebrity saying,
you better, so that was all fear.
They were trying to use fear tactics of us just not discussing anything related to, you know, what they do at those ditty parties or Epstein parties.
With Justin Bieber and all that list, you remember that?
Oh, my God.
I'm laughing.
Yeah.
So I like I don't remember exactly what the post was, but I do remember that like I looked over it and there was nothing that you put in there that was defamatory. And I think
it was something, actually you were just reporting on something that someone else reported. So,
but you know, as someone that has been down this road before, when you reach out to me, I'm like,
this isn't my first rodeo. I'm like, well, let me tell you a little story about Liz Crokin,
John Legend, and Chrissy Teigen. I'm like, well, let me tell you a little story about Liz Crokin, John Legend, and Chrissy Teigen.
I'm like, they will threaten to scare you and to silence you when they have no legal basis to do so.
And there's this little thing that's really beautiful called discovery.
And many of them will send these letters out with no attention to file anything just to, you know, get you to shut up or to scare you.
So, yeah, that's how we started talking.
And I was like, hell no.
Do not take our post out but exactly kardashians but um oh that's so funny yeah that was that was fun but that tells
you a lot about liz though she responded to me she didn't even know who the hell i was i'm just
a regular anonymous poster i post about chemtrails one day, Pizzagate the next day, rigged elections the next day, Rothschilds another day.
And then she was actually able to help me.
And it just shows, like, from there we kind of, like, I can count on Liz.
Absolutely.
And, you know, like a side note would be that, you know, I did the Slave Princess documentary that was exposing the trafficking of Britney Spears.
And that whole thing, the head of that snake was Lou Taylor, who's also the business manager for the Kardashians. And so they,
Lou Taylor has done this actually to a lot of people that was telling the truth about Britney
situation. They use these like intimidation tactics and like send out legal letters and,
you know, send, you know, do threats and shut accounts down or whatever. And like, that's just
a tactic they've been known to use for years now,
actually to silence people.
You know, but some people can't be silenced.
Anyways, I want to just Trump froggy.
Do you want to just kind of say hi and, and, you know,
give like a, your initial thoughts before we get into it?
Yeah. Hello everybody. It's good to see you, Liz. It's been a minute.
What's up, Ben? It's our channel. Nice to meet you.
Good to see you. I didn't even realize you were taking a break. So thank you for coming out of
your break. I hope we didn't ruin your zen vibe that you had going during your break. But this
is going to be an epic space, so it should be worth it.
I've done two spaces in four months. But I don't know, just busy with work and life is good and
just got my head deep in my Bible
trying to keep myself out of trouble
and there's so much drama.
But when you reached out and said you're having this space
and you're going to have Juliet and all these people in here
about this amazing topic,
there was no way I wasn't going to do it.
And obviously, if the homie Ben is hosting this space,
I definitely, definitely am going to be there to support this. So I'm
really excited. I think it's going to be an amazing space. And I think people need to know
the truth. And Evan Juliet and other people come in here and talk about this. It's just epic. I've
got friends that are in this space that aren't even really on X much that are listening because
there's a bunch of us here in Nevada that really care about trafficking. In fact, you guys need to bring your group out here, and we'll get you a venue.
And so you can show your movies with Mike, like we talked about.
I have that dial.
I'm dialed in now.
So I would love for you guys to come out and do your thing out here.
I've got a big network that can make that happen.
Yeah, let's do it.
Can you hear me, Trump Froggy?
I can hear you.
I think Ben needs to update
unfortunately he needed to do probably needed to do an update i mean i'm never on you i had to
update my app before i jumped on so okay but i can hear you just fine okay because he told me
he texted me you couldn't hear me um all right so yeah we will do that we should dm about that
but um i just want to kind of go over just some bullet points with Virginia Giuffre's death real quickly for people that maybe haven't been following the story. Virginia G. Frey has been one of the most courageous and, you know, survivors that has
done so much to expose not just Jeffrey Epstein, but his ring. And, you know, through her interviews
and depositions that she's given in multiple court cases, she has exposed a lot of potential co-conspirators and clients of Jeffrey Epstein's ring.
She's been one of the loudest voices.
And so as everybody probably here already knows,
is that a lot of people in President Trump's administration
have been promising that they will release the Jeffrey Epstein files. And
then, you know, earlier this year, we did see them release some of Jeffrey Epstein files
that kind of turned into a photo op kind of situation with a bunch of influencers.
And unfortunately, those files really didn't have any new information. A lot of what was in those files was information that has already been out there through different court records or public records.
So there was really nothing bombshell in those files.
But members of President Trump's administration have promised to release more of the Epstein files.
And I know a lot of people have been really impatient because these files have not come out yet. And unfortunately, what happened is Virginia Giuffre
was announced as dead on Friday night, and it was immediately reported as an alleged suicide. Now, she allegedly died in her home and her family members confirmed
that she died. And they also said that it was a suicide. However, since then, there have been other family members that have come out who
do not believe that she died from a suicide. And also one of her lawyers has come out and they
have said that they do not believe that she died from a suicide. Now, something else that has come out, or I should say
has been resurfaced is that in, I believe it was 2022, I think I want to say in 2022,
she did a tweet where she posted that she was not suicidal and she made it.
2019. It was from 2019.
Okay. I'm sorry. I. It was from 2019. Okay.
I'm sorry.
I'm getting some of her tweets confused.
Don't worry.
I just community noted you.
Yeah, you did.
Okay.
So 2019, she posted, she's not suicidal.
And she said, you know, if something were to happen to me,
please like stay on the story, get loud and get louder to protect my family. And that's why we're
here. We're doing this to protect other survivors like Juliet and Virginia's family and to try to
figure out what's happening because the one way that we can help other survivors and keep them
safe is by getting loud and putting more pressure on President Trump's administration
to get these files out there. So she also did another tweet where this was right before,
I think this was like last fall, and I think it was October of last year, and it was right before
the election. She did another tweet saying that she has more information and that she actually
tweeted Elon Musk and said that she had more information on Jeffrey Epstein's ring.
And she wanted to get that information to Elon Musk.
And she encouraged Elon Musk to DM her.
What we don't know is if Elon Musk ever DMed her, if there was any communication between the two of them.
any communication between the two of them? And then if there was communication between the two
of them, did she pass on information about Jeffrey Epstein's ring that she has not already talked
about publicly? So that would be something that, you know, would be helpful or be really interesting
to know. And then the other event that happened before her tragic and untimely and suspicious death was that a few weeks ago she got into an alleged car accident
with a school bus. But what did not make sense about this alleged accident is that allegedly
parents of the kids that were on this bus when the accident happened said it was a nothing accident.
There was no need to, you know, call for paramedics or anything
like that. They made it seem like it was just kind of like a fender bender and that Virginia
Jufres should not have even been injured from that accident. So at the time of this alleged
accident, Virginia Jufres posted on one of her social media pages that she had been in an accident and that she only had, you know, a little time left to live.
But parents of these kids that were allegedly on the bus that she got into a car accident with say that like the injuries that she had claimed that she had gotten from the accident don't add up.
She should not have had any injuries. So there's all these mixed reports and there's all these conflicting reports. And then I will
say that there also is conflicting reports with her alleged suicide that allegedly happened at
her home on Friday night in Australia. And one of the things that just doesn't really add up about
her alleged suicide is that, you know, the authorities have come out and they've been like really vague
about her death. Like they haven't even confirmed to reporters that the 41 year old woman who died
was Virginia G. Frey. They just confirmed that a 41 year old woman had died. But then at the same
point in time, they did insist that there was allegedly no foul play and that it was a suicide.
And, and then there's other reports coming out claiming that the authorities will
not have any information or any more details on,
you know,
her alleged suicide or any more information for a very long period of time,
which like doesn't make any sense.
So there's just so many conflicting reports and so many red flags.
And there's so many things that don't add up.
And that's why Julia is going to be so great because she was friends with Virginia. She talked to her,
she has inside information. She knows a lot of what's going on. So what we're going to try to
do is just kind of like, you know, unwind this rabbit hole and, you know, try to figure out
what really happens and, and see what we can do to just shine a bigger light on the story again,
so we can keep other survivors and whistleblowers tied to Epstein safe.
So Ezra, is there anything else you want to add to that?
No, I mean, everything you said was reported about, but, um,
there was one thing I read that said that you,
we won't know exactly what happened to Virginia for like two years.
So that's, I don't know.
And they were in her house for 12 hours before the body was removed.
This isn't me saying, this is just what I read.
And this is the same day when her lawyer was saying that she found that the death was suspicious.
She wasn't planning on killing herself.
She was actually planning on expanding her real estate and like building her property over so i don't know right and in her family there was a
lot of family members saying that she was not suicidal but then there was also people that
worked with her you know like her lawyer that said that she wasn't suicidal and and the whole
thing that we won't get information out you know for two years or we won't get any information on
her for two years it's just you know who knows if that report's even accurate.
But if there was some authority figure that said that, you know, I actually like start off as a hard news reporter when I was on many crime scenes.
police officer or detective or spokesperson for any agency say to me, oh, hey, yeah, we're not
going to be able to get you any more information on this, you know, crime or incident for two more
years. Like, I mean, just nothing adds up. Nothing makes sense. There was a second lawyer on Pierce
Morgan yesterday. Now he didn't he didn't want to say that it was suspicious that but he was like
trying to be more like moderate, you know, correct i don't remember his name he was on pierce morgan yesterday but he he was also like kind of
suspicious and he's not really the conspiracy type of person but he was like kind of like
something was it a lawyer that has worked with anyone tied to epstein yeah it was virginia's
lawyer oh it was virginia's lawyer which one yeah it was it was a man i forgot his name i have
i would have to carry i don't remember i am so bad his name is boys there you go that's
oh no well we'll get into it i think julia may have some things to say
so with julia we want to start from the very beginning, like the first time you came across Epstein, who he was with, what he was doing, what he said to you.
Let's start with those basic questions from the very beginning, and then we'll slowly get our way to present day.
And then after she tells her story, we're going to let everybody try to get everyone's opinion.
I don't care if you agree with us or disagree with us.
I see Ryan Dawson. I like your work, too. I read read a lot of your stuff you've done a lot of great work so
i'm gonna probably let you also speak also but let's let juliette uh first tell her story
so you can start from the very beginning where you were when you met epstein what he said to
you everything start from the very beginning thank Thank you so much, Amishado.
And also thank you everyone for arranging the space.
And thank you to everyone for listening.
The reason we've created the space is for Virginia Gaffer.
And I first of all want to send a lot of love to her family
because I cannot imagine the pain that they are going through right now
after everything that she has been put through.
Going back to how I met Epstein,
I met him with Bill Clinton in Africa 22 years ago.
It was in September in 2002, just a year after 9-11.
A woman called Naja Hill approached me,
and I was at a bar with a friend friend and she said she was here with the
King of America and his best friend owned Victoria's Secret. And he was here with Bill Clinton
and he owned his own island in the Caribbean. He was also with Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker.
I'd never met any celebrities in my life. So I was, you know, only 20 years old.
I was, I had been studying psychology, but I started modeling on the side to earn money
because I didn't have money to get to university.
So I was starstruck, you know, I was taken to the restaurant and introduced to all of them.
They all stood up while they were eating dinner and shook my hand.
Bill Clinton held onto my hand for a good, at least a minute. It was very, you know,
overwhelming for a young person. Anyway, the next day, I was invited to go to Clinton's speech,
which was about AIDS. It didn't seem like it was about much. If you ask me, the hall was very basic.
Kevin Spacey sat in front of me with a handheld device
and filmed everyone in the hall, all the students included.
After the speech, I was asked to come to the hotel
with my modelling portfolio because they were holding a casting.
It was all staged.
There were three women posing as modelling agents from Karen Models.
Their names were Sarah Killen, Andrea Matrovich and Cindy Lopez.
Bill Clinton walked through while they were doing the modelling casting, looking at my modelling book.
It seemed like so legitimate.
Sorry, I get a bit anxious.
Anyway, so then I was told to go through and see Epstein.
He looked at my modeling book and he said I'd be perfect for Victoria's Secret.
Next thing is Leslie Graf from his office started phoning.
They had me there within two weeks.
Well, yeah, within three weeks.
I arrived in America on the 17th of October.
I didn't have any money at the time.
To be honest, I had no money.
But they told me that they would pay for everything
and all the costs would be deducted from any work I did.
No modelling work was ever arranged.
I was never sent to see any modelling agency.
Anyway, I arrived at the apartment.
The car picked me up from the airport.
The phone rang.
Sarah Kellan said, pack your things.
We're going to the Caribbean.
I was obviously confused because I didn't know I was going to the Caribbean.
I didn't even have a bikini or anything.
I didn't even own a bikini, to be honest.
Well, I might have had one, but I didn't have it there with me.
Anyway, the car came to pick me up.
They took me to the airport, Teterboro Airport.
Sarah Kellan, Andrei Meritovich were on the left-hand side of the plane.
Epstein was on the right.
He patted the chain next to him.
As soon as the plane took off, he started touching me in between my legs.
I was convinced I was going to be killed.
Well, I knew that if I didn't go along with what they wanted, I would be killed, actually.
You know, I think anyone who's, I think there are definitely people who've been killed as we are,
that's why we are speaking now. But what about the other people who've been killed?
So if I'd gone missing, my family wouldn't have known where I'd gone because they thought I was in New York.
They had no idea that I was being taken off to the Caribbean
on this private plane.
Another thing is my name was not on that flight log,
so if I had gone missing, no one would have known.
It also questions everything in their flight logs
because if my name was not there and I landed up in the Caribbean,
how did I get there?
You know, it's a long story.
I don't want to, you know, I've done a lot of interviews about all this,
but they basically like tried to, they tried to break me.
And they nearly, they got away with it kind of, but, you know, I'm still here.
They took me to all the properties.
I was badly abused by them.
And I think I'm going to
let someone else speak for a little bit. Thank you so much, everyone.
That's okay. You're doing a great job. Don't get overwhelmed. We understand this is a very
tough thing that you're doing. So just take it slowly. We can pause in between and discuss
what you've said. Liz, do you want to share who else was on that flight log because she said her name
wasn't on there was there any names that you're familiar with that were on there
well i i do think that juliet was on some flight logs that are public record now um
and she can speak about that um the first trip that she took, to my understanding, to the island, which was the
incident that she was just talking about, it was her, Epstein, Sarah Callum, and I think a couple
other people. After that trip, though, she has been to other properties. And when I did an
interview with her, she went into detail about going to actually his New Mexico ranch, the Zorro Ranch. And
that's a property that is much less talked about than the island. And it should be talked about
more because there has been a lot of horrific things that happens at the ranch. There were a lot of victims that were raped at the ranch. And there's a lot of
other really bad things that happened at that ranch. And, you know, Juliet can speak about
this if she wants to, you know, if she feels comfortable about it. But when I did an interview
with Juliet, she discussed how when she went to the ranch, she believes that she was drugged at
one point. And when she woke up, she found herself in some kind of medical lab. And there was some
kind of experimentation going on with her. And there were doctors, you know, she was at, she was, she was on some kind
of, you know, medical table and there were, there were doctors surrounding her doing some kind of
experiment with her. And I believe that in terms of Jeffrey Epstein, I look at Jeffrey Epstein's
trafficking ring, like a big iceberg. Right. And, and I believe that like at the top
of that iceberg, the one that we can see now is the trafficking, but I believe what's below the
iceberg is a lot of other horrific and nefarious stuff. We also know that Jeffrey Epstein wanted
to turn that ranch into a baby breeding farm to see the human race with his DNA. Now, this is
stuff that the mainstream media has even acknowledged. So, you know, when you look at
stuff like that, and you look at all of the, you know, core unquote, like scientists that
Jeffrey Epstein was meeting with, and the stuff that he was doing with MIT, and then you look at
like the Lane Maxwell, and like the Terramar project, and the stuff that he was doing with MIT. And then you look at like the Lane Maxwell and like the Terramar project and the stuff they were doing with the oceans and the
submarines. And I think that there was just so much more to what Jeffrey Epstein was involved
in, in terms of whether it's breeding, whether it's, you know, quite crazy, like Dr. Mengele
kind of experiments, you know, Bill Gates, you know, was he involved with vaccines? Like,
I think that there's just so much more to Epstein and the nefarious activity that he was involved
in. And we're only seeing, you know, the tip of the iceberg. And I do believe that a lot of that
nefarious stuff happened at the ranch that he had, the Zorro Ranch in New Mexico. And
that's why Juliet is just such an important person in exposing this because she's able to speak about
that. I think what's really important that's part of it, and I'm sorry, Juliet, I didn't mean to interrupt you, is the fact she didn't end up on the flight logs.
So the fact of how many people were actually going to those islands and other places like Zorro Ranch and not ever being on record.
And like she said, to me, that really, really stands out because of all the focus on the flight logs, which we know have been released and people deny them.
So go ahead, Juliet. i didn't mean to interrupt you
no not interrupting at all well um my name was on some flight logs and you know what's even more
frightening a friend of mine who was researching into further found that my name was on a flight
log that i wasn't on so um you know it just it basically just proves that their flight logs are not correct
you know and as liz was saying it's quite clear that there's a big cover-up going on here
you know like epstein ordered to cement the island um two weeks before he was arrested
um as liz said you know i've got that horrible memory waking up in a lab you know it's very hard
for me to explain all that because it's something that was just very, very weird and frightening. But, you know, there was other weird things that
happened. I saw like what I thought was a UFO in New Mexico. Apparently it could have been a
military craft, but I don't know. But it looked very much like a UFO to me. I also saw Epstein
shapeshift in front of my eyes. And people say, was I put on drugs or something? Because they could have given
me LSD or something. I've never had LSD in my life, so I don't know. But I would have felt
weird otherwise, if something like that had happened. But what I started to wonder is,
someone actually asked, was I maybe spiked with adrenochrome? Because when people are given
adrenochrome, weird stuff happens. So I mean given adrenochrome, some weird stuff happens. So,
I mean, I don't know what happened there, but I saw him shift into something. He turned in front
of my eyes. I want to be lie detected about it. Unfortunately, no one will lie detect me.
But I saw that, you know, I only saw it once. You know, there's clearly a cover up going on here.
And also, as far as the genetics and the laboratories,
the owner of 23andMe was on the island with her husband, Sergio Brin.
You know, the genetics, the DNA, 23andMe, the owner of that.
She was married to the owner of Google.
So, and the only people, I didn't see any girls being trafficked to other men, but I met scientists there, and I met Michael Bayer, the movie producer,
the man who made the movie The Island about human cloning.
And also then I put things together eventually,
realizing that I met Epstein with Clinton,
who banned human cloning in 1997,
one year after Dolly the Sheep was cloned.
I mean, this is like nearly 30 years ago.
It's like God knows what they can do
now. Well, they're telling people that they've brought back the dire wolf. But, you know,
it's quite clear that they can clone humans. And, you know, if they really aren't hadrenochrome,
it would make sense for them to have laboratories and have their own human farm. It's, you know,
obviously a horrible, frightening thing to think about. And, you know, Virginia Gaffer even said in one interview that they wanted
to buy a baby from her. You know, obviously they were a bit more blatant back in the day,
you know, and, you know, they were obviously working on how they were going to do this,
it seems, because they, you know, she clearly said that in interviews. Amazing angel Virginia
Gaffer is who we're speaking for.
You know, I want to speak more about Virginia, a lot more about Virginia.
But while we're going into all this other stuff, you know, it's just, you know, also the Clone Aid based in the Bahamas.
And they cloned the first human eve in 2002.
I was taken there in 2002.
I was taken there in September.
And the first human eve was taken there in 2002. I was taken there in September and the first human Eve
was cloned in December. And isn't it a weird name to choose Eves considering the Garden of Eden?
And, you know, down the rabbit hole we go, then we can go into Alice in Wonderland,
Disney Princesses, JP Morgan, you know, they had their code name Snow White. Like, it just, this whole thing is just actually, anyway, someone else, please speak.
But also, I want to reconfirm I'm not suicidal.
No, we don't.
I want to say that again and again.
I'm not suicidal.
I don't do any drugs.
I do have a drink, and I do smoke cigarettes.
But, you know, I don't do drugs.
Anyway, we'll get back to that.
I don't think Virginia's
protection and that's what's upset me so much
today. Let's talk about
your relationship with Virginia.
Where did you first start speaking
to Virginia and how close
were you guys? And if you have
any information that she told you that you think
the public should be aware of you can share that right now that'd be a good idea we want to know
how you know her your relationship with her and what she told you sure um well you know we were
both represented by the same lawyers the david boys um firm so um they got us in touch and we had a group called the Survivor Sisters on WhatsApp.
You know, it's, I don't know if in America, you know, it's like a signal group or WhatsApp,
you know, a shared group. So we all used to message on there and Virginia and I like used
to speak often and we had like one-on-one video chats. You know, I should have met everyone, but I didn't travel to America.
My child's father wouldn't let me travel.
So I haven't met them in the flesh, but I'm, you know, we've been very, very close.
We used to speak all the time.
We did video chats.
She's the most amazing woman.
When I spoke to Virginia Virginia she had like a parrot
on her shoulder and all her
animals around her
she's like the real
version of Snow White, an amazing
amazing girl, strong
and supportive
she was always very very kind
and we used to message each other a lot
and then suddenly in 2022, sorry, this is also upsetting,
she wasn't able to sort of message anymore because she got inundated.
So I was sent her husband's email address.
So I was contacting her through her husband's email address.
So I was contacting her through her husband's email address.
And then suddenly she just went quiet and I, you know, I messaged them both when I was also concerned for my own safety because I've had frightening incidents happen myself.
And I didn't hear back.
And I was just very, very worried.
And when was this?
When did you contact her and you didn't hear anything back? When was the time frame?
We were in contact from like 2020 to 2022.
Okay.
Yeah.
And nothing after that?
Nothing. No, a few emails through her husband's address.
Okay, go ahead. What was the explanation given to you in 2022 that she could no longer directly communicate with you, but instead she had to communicate with you through a third party, which would be her husband?
Well, the reason was that she had too much pressure and it was too much,
and they were just giving that email address to a few people
so that we could still be in touch with her.
Now, did she tell you this or did someone else tell you this?
Well, it was through an email.
Okay.
You know, I got the email.
I couldn't get in touch with her anymore by her phone number by then.
Because, you know, the group on the Survivor Sisters, she left that group and I couldn't get in touch with her through phone anymore.
And so did somebody get a hold of you? Like, did they get a hold of you?
Was it her getting a hold of you? Or was it like, like, how did you find out that you could only communicate through to her,
through her husband? Like, did her husband email you and tell you,
or did she, did someone email you from her account saying, Hey,
email her to this email address instead of this? Like, how,
how did that go down?
I can't remember the exact details. I'll have to look back. But you know,
cause between phone messages and emails, one just sort of hops across and you start messaging and you just believe what people are saying.
So, but you're right, Liz, I must look into that exactly when that whole transition took place because it's important. concerned about this is because there are people who claim that her husband, who she allegedly has
been separated from for a couple, at least a couple of years now, there are people that are
friends with Virginia and are related to her who claim that her husband was abusive to her. So, you know, it's concerning to me that there are these claims, alleged claims about her
husband potentially being abusive. And then it turns out that the only way that you can communicate
with her is through this person who is allegedly abusive. So, so that to me is very concerning
to me and I don't know him. I've never met him or Virginia for that matter. But what I do know
is that people who are abusive, men who are abusive, they often isolate their spouses or girlfriends or whoever the person that they're abusing they
will isolate them from their loved ones and people their friends and people who have their
best interests at heart so you know it just i find it highly concerning that she was communicating
to people she's friends with other
survivors and and that's a support system that she most likely thrived and it sounds like she did
thrive and and one that she really needed and all of a sudden she was removed from communicating
with her friends and other survivors and the only way that they could communicate with her friends and other survivors. And the only way that they could communicate with her
is through someone who allegedly may be abusive to her. It's very alarming to me.
And also reportedly, you know, he got a restraining order against her. She wasn't
able to see her kids. And they separated it, I believe two years ago. So,
you know, the timeline here is concerning that right before she allegedly separated from her
alleged abusive husband, she was cut off from talking to people that she loves and cares about and they could only get a hold of her through him
well it's what it's what they it's what we commonly see they do to victims too it's a
constant and as we've talked about this before it's a constant state of fear, confusion, isolation, psyops to make everyone think that these particular victims
are crazy. And so it's a very common thing that we see. I'm sure Juliet can speak to that.
Let's everyone repost this space. It's very important what Juliet's saying tonight. And so
I'd like everyone to repostost. Sorry to interrupt, Liz.
I just wanted to make that point.
But you were a shadow.
Go ahead.
I've got a question really quick, if you don't mind.
And it's true.
If you can isolate somebody, not only does it make that person appear crazy,
it will drive them crazy if you have no one to reach out to or talk to,
no one to trust.
If you don't have your own personal lifeline connection to the people you care about,
you basically can be manipulated by somebody else.
It's psychological.
A hundred percent.
It's much easier to gaslight someone and rainwash them and manipulate them
when they don't have people around them that have their best interests at heart to give them advice and towash them and manipulate them when they don't have people around them that have their best
interests at heart to like give them advice and to help them and you know if she was cut off from
communication from her friends like julia and other survivors you know that also makes me kind
of wonder about you know her social media like you know did she lose control of that? You know, I just have so many more questions. Now, Juliet, after you were told that, you know, she can only you can only reach reach her through her husband's email address.
maybe her, maybe not her through him? Was there any, did you message him and,
and did you get to talk to her after that or any video chats or anything, or was it just
no communication after that? I never heard her voice again, but I did used to email,
especially like at times of stress and I didn't get a reply, you know,
and I was obviously very, very worried.
But also, you know, I don't think the family are anywhere to blame here.
Also, one's got to understand people work in groups.
You know, the Epstein thing, they've also offered this fund,
like a mental health fund where people, you know,
and apparently Virginia has been given prescription pills for years.
I've been told this by a few people.
And the thing is, you know, when people are being given pills,
you can control them.
It's much like Elvis, you know, a lot of celebrities and stuff.
When people go through too much,
I can just imagine the amount of stress that Virginia went through.
Actually, I can't even imagine the amount of stress she went through.
Being so brave and also having people attacking
and, you know, also being manipulated by certain parties, I'm sure.
And, you know, her heart is in the right place.
She was an amazing person, really fighting for good.
But, you know, unfortunately, when they get someone on pills,
then you've got control of them.
And, you know, I wouldn't, I don't want to blame anyone in this whole situation because I just, I feel terribly sorry for her family here.
And, you know, I just think there's been a lot of, you know, it's been horrific.
And another thing that I want to say is I was, you know, people, some people have said, oh, Virginia went into a witness protection program. I
was hoping that. I was hoping. But, you know, the thing is, I was thinking about it today
and that doesn't make sense. If they were going to do a witness protection program,
they would do it quickly. They'd be like, there's been a car accident. She's been killed.
That's that. There wouldn't be all this stuff along the way, you know,
with a woman crying out for help,
unless the media really want to mess with people's heads, which, you know.
But at the same time, I just find it very, very disturbing
that I haven't heard from my friend in so long.
And then to hear all this stuff going on, it's been horrific.
And, you know, as far as witness protection program,
they would have done it more smoothly, wouldn't they?
Yes, I believe they would have.
I believe it wouldn't be so public and so messy.
It'd be kind of like the Anne Heche incident where she got in a car accident,
they wheeled her out into the gurney.
That wasn't smooth.
She was like trying to climb her way out of there.
But you're right.
Sorry, I'm sorry.
It was just like I saw that last night,
and it actually just hits me in the heart so hard
when I see things like that.
No need to apologize.
They could have made that smoother too.
She's so public, Virginia, and she's so well-known
because of being tied to Mar-a-Lago and working at Mar-a-Lago
at one point that it's really unfortunate that this is out there. And I couldn't really go
through X and see all these people reposting and reporting it as much as they were, because it's
heartbreaking because that's a human being. And that human being who's no longer with us anymore has a story.
And I think people downplay it for sensationalism instead of the fact that she's a victim of
trafficking, which I know Sun and Liz and other people that I know that I talk to,
I'm really passionate about that. I've been talking about that nonstop for over two years.
And I got attacked about that over the Sound of
Freedom because we did four days of that. It's something I'm truly passionate about. And so,
you know, when people are not doing what you're doing, because, you know, Juliet, I've heard you
speak before in a space and I couldn't even imagine having to talk about this. So I kind of want to,
I don't want to steer it away from that topic,
but you brought something up in the back channel and I'm grateful to be involved in the back channel list. Thank you. And son and shadow and you, Juliet, but when you were talking about
blood types and I think that's really important, if you really want to look at what's really going
on and you want to drill down, you know, you mentioned something up about blood types. Can
we go that direction a little bit? And of
course we can circle back, but I think you're onto something. I think that's something a lot deeper.
The last email I sent Virginia was asking her blood type.
That's why I brought it up.
Yeah, because I started researching it and realizing about the O negatives,
how the presidents are all O-negative,
the royal family are all O-negative or RH-negative,
but mostly O-negative,
and how you actually get different specimens on Earth.
Like if an O-negative woman falls pregnant with an O-positive man,
she has to be injected with antigens
because otherwise her body will reject the fetus,
which shows that they're different species on Earth.
And people like Elon Musk, Tom Cruise, Leonardo DiCaprio,
they're all O negative.
Also Ted, what's their name?
Bunsen.
Those murderers.
I'm sorry.
Charles Manson and Ted Bundy, also O negatives.
There's something weird about O-negatives.
There's something weird about O-negative blood type, and I'm also an O-negative.
But you get different types, because you get the bad ones and the good ones, it seems.
It also comes back to the Holy Grail.
Apparently it comes down to Jesus' bloodline.
I need to do more research on it, of course.
I mean, we all do, because they've hidden it from us.
You know, because apparently if someone with O negative blood goes to Thailand and has an accident,
it can be very dangerous because they don't have O negative blood in places like that.
There can be a shortage of O negative blood. And people with O negative blood can only have O negative blood put in them.
They're the universal donor. O-negative blood can go into anybody, but if O-positive blood goes into
an O-negative person, it can kill them. And it's just something that they haven't told people,
which is actually a very relevant thing. Yeah, I thought it was very interesting when you brought
that up, and just my brain was going, there's got to be a connection or a tie to the blood type, because it seems like the people that they go after, the people they're looking for, the people that they're trying to harvest, thinking adrenochrome and those things, seems like that's a common trait.
So I wasn't sure where you were going with that, but thank you for that.
Well, I don't know where I'm going with it. I'm still trying to find out about it. But what it
seems like is that in the Garden of Eden, Eve didn't just take the apple from the snake.
Apparently she mated with the snake. You know, I was looking into an old interview with from Virginia and
I'm sure a lot of people noticed that she actually stated that the person worse than Epstein was actually Maxwell herself
She said that
Yeah
Yeah, like no, she was she basically said that she was in charge of the whole thing and Epstein is just like a name
Like we call them Epstein survivors they
should be called Maxwell survivors but she said Maxwell was the evilest of evil people like she
said that with their own words so in regards to your your um would you like to say anything about
Maxwell that you think the public would I'd like to say that they're one of the most evil families in the world.
They used to own the media. They owned
the narrative.
They only owned the forest team.
Her father stole money
from 36,000 pensioners.
Not just from one person. He stole money
from 36,000 pensioners.
I've heard of people that have been murdered
by that family.
Her father was a Mossad agent
into Israeli intelligence.
Everybody is well aware of that.
So you said families.
When you say families,
do you have specific names of which families?
He owned the island, by the way,
before Jeffrey did.
So that's something that people
should look into as well.
Yeah, also, where did all his money go
when he apparently vanished?
I always thought it probably just hopped across to Epstein, you know, and Maxwell, you know, Ghislaine hopped across too. Because where did Epstein get all that money from? Because Robert Maxwell stole a lot of money.
Billions. Did you get the impression that Ghislaine was more evil than Epstein and or that Ghislaine was the one that was really running the show?
Kind of what Virginia was.
She was.
Yeah, she was far more well educated and scary than Epstein.
It definitely did seem like she was more in charge.
If one actually looks back on.
I was very, very frightened of her.
I've heard that about her as well. I want to know what she was doing with a submarine license can somebody explain that to me because i've only come across theories i want to hear from
a survivor why did she know sorry can i correct a bunch of stuff uh first off talking mackerel's
father was not a massad agent he He was a Mossad informant.
It's a big difference.
Adrena Chrome is not a real thing.
Hey, Ryan, listen.
We were going to bring you up in and let you be one of our speakers.
But we're going to go to speakers in a second.
We'd love to have your...
I don't have time.
So it's now or I'm going to leave.
Then leave.
You'll have to leave, Dan.
We need to hear all points of views here.
It's very important.
You can give him a few minutes
to talk. It's not a problem.
If he disagrees, there's no reason.
I don't have a problem with it.
It's just he dropped off.
It's just disrespectful
to Juliet.
We're all speaking out.
People must be able to say what they
have to say.
And Ryan is a very well-informed guy.
You know, he doesn't have the same thing as all of us.
He's welcome to come up here.
He just, we just, we're going to have a section of speaking.
We just want to be respectful for you too, Juliet, to let you present and then hear counterpoints subsequent to that.
hear counterpoints subsequent to that.
Go ahead, Juliet.
Go ahead, Juliet.
I like Ryan very much.
And, you know, I spoke to him recently for the first time.
But what were we talking about now, guys?
Sorry, I got distracted.
We were talking about just Lane.
And we were talking about her influence on who she was and what she was doing as far as being Epstein's handler.
And you were saying she was very evil.
I'd like to go deeper on that because it's very evil.
I asked about the submarine.
Why does she have a submarine license?
I wanted to hear a definitive reason why would somebody like that need a submarine license?
And a license to
fly a helicopter as well i never went on a submarine but she did fly me on a helicopter
and it made me really scared because she wasn't good at flying it only once she flew me in the
helicopter but um i i never went on the submarine i they didn't tell us about things like submarines
They didn't tell us about things like submarines there.
But Epstein did have a boat, and he drove us on the boat once to another island on the main island in the Caribbean,
and he had a small office there, and the office was really small.
It was like three meters by three meters, and it was just like an old wooden desk and a phone.
And he wanted to make calls from there or something so that was
kind of weird but um i never went on the submarine i have a theory about the submarines because if
you are on a boat you have to you know they can log that stuff so if you can take a submarine
from an island to an island like say the guy um from virgin records you know all these people
have islands they can transport people on submarines without being detected, let alone that, you know,
Terramar project.
Yeah, exactly.
Exactly.
Juliet, back to, so it seems to be your opinion that she was more running the trafficking ring
and had more control than Jeffrey Epstein.
And, you know, I've kind of came to that conclusion a while ago, like, you know, they make it seem like he was, you know, running this ring
and like kind of the head of the pyramid. But I think that she had more control than Epstein.
I think she was controlling him. And, you know, one thing that I noticed from reading a lot of the,
you know, the interviews and the court records from the like the old cases,
like the first case, you know, when he got a sweetheart deal in Palm Beach, Florida,
is that a lot of people that were interviewed that were working for him or at his home in Palm Beach,
they said that before Ghislaine Maxwell came around, Epstein wasn't bringing women to his
house.
He wasn't trafficking women.
And he had a girlfriend and she'd come over and that was it.
And then the second that Ghislaine came into the picture, you know, like posing as his
friend or girlfriend or whatever she was, that's when the trafficking started.
And to me, that is a big indicator that she was the one behind it.
And we do know that she was going out and doing a lot of the recruiting as well.
And apparently her father was the same with young girls, you know, what I've seen online.
So maybe it was normal to her, you know.
For all we know, she could have also been abused.
You know, a lot of these families, there's horrific abuse.
But apparently her father also was into young girls.
And, you know, I was just very, very frightened of Ghislaine.
I just knew not to say anything to try stand up against her.
Epstein was definitely friendlier than her. That's for sure.
Right. And, you know, I know Ryan kind of came in here hot, you know, bringing up Mossad. But,
you know, at the end of the day, whether Jeffrey Epstein was a Mossad agent or a Mossad asset,
I mean, does it matter or if Robert Maxwell was or wasn't? I mean, there's been literally entire
books written about the fact that Robert Maxwell was allegedly was allegedly a massad not just spy but like super spy and there's
been other people that have come forward claiming that he was you know a spy for massad and then
you know epstein himself bragged about how he was a spy for massad you know got dirt on prince
andrew that was like the super bowl trophy whatever but anyways you know
in terms of being a masada acid or spy like does it really matter i wanted to i wanted to bring up
i wanted to bring up the part where um virginia mentioned that she was forced to have uh sex with
the former prime minister of israel ehud bar. So I was trying to ask him about like if
Julie had any encounters with Ehud Barak from the former Prime Minister of Israel.
I never met him. I've seen his name mentioned online. You know, that's what I was trying to
say earlier is, you know, I was around them for about three months over like an 18 month period.
I was taken to all the properties and I never saw any girls being trafficked to any men other than Epstein.
So as far as the story of women being trafficked to other men, you know, it's very questionable.
I mean, I'm sure it happened to some, but it's also strange how like statements have been retracted over time.
And you know, because that's how they opened up the case of sex trafficking was because apparently
girls were made to sleep with Alan Derschwitz, but then statements were retracted. And then
obviously there was the case against Prince Andrew. But otherwise, where are the other victims and
where are the cases against the other men? Because I didn't see any girls being trafficked to any men.
I only met scientists there and Michael Bay, the man who made The Island about cloning.
You know him from the movie The Island.
I know him from Transformers.
I didn't even know Michael Bay.
Oh, I met him in L.A. as well, by the way.
As well, by the way.
He tried to take me to his house and tried to force me into his bed, and I got away.
He tried to take me to his house and tried to force me into his bed and I got away.
So if he wants to deny what I say about him, then I'll take on another bloody thing with him, because I don't like men like that.
Yeah, I mean.
Wait, hold on real quick before we get into him, Michael Bay, and the whole cloning thing.
I just want to point out that, you know, when A.H.E.A.
Barack was linked to Jeffrey Ep that, you know, when Ehud Barak was linked
to Jeffrey Epstein, he denied it. He said that, you know, he wasn't friends with him and all this
stuff. And then a picture came out of him like hiding his space, entering his New York town
home. And, you know, this has happened like time and time again, where, you know, survivors like
Juliet or Virginia have come out and like made claims. And then those claims were denied. And
then boom like
a picture appears of you know Ehud Barak entering like Epstein's home like no like okay well clearly
you're lying you didn't know him and you have been to his house in New York or then of course there
was the famous picture of Virginia Giuffre with Prince Andrew you know after Prince Andrew claimed
that he'd never met her and you know wasn't tied't tied to Epstein either. So, you know, there's been a lot of evidence that has backed up a lot of the claims that
have made by survivors like Juliette and Virginia Giffray.
Anyways, if you want to get back to Michael Bay, you can, but I just wanted to point that
out.
Well, actually, who I want to speak about is Maria Farmer right now.
You know, she's actually an amazing woman who was the first one to report them to the
FBI.
You know, Maria emails me.
That's another worrying thing is that we spoke on the phone quite often,
like about eight months ago, but I haven't heard her voice in eight months.
She's only able to email me.
But she emails me often.
But, you know, she was also represented by the same lawyers as me.
Her sister, Annie,
is also an amazing woman. Annie and I used to speak often. I can't speak to them anymore either.
Wait, so she can email you, but you can't talk to her on the phone? Is that what you're saying?
Yeah, exactly. Yeah, but I think what's the explanation? Have you asked her? Like,
Handler, handler.
What's the explanation?
Have you asked her?
Why can't you talk on the phone anymore?
Well, it's been too stressful and everything.
So, I mean, I haven't heard her voice or Annie's voice.
And, you know, Sarah Ransom I used to speak to as well.
And I haven't heard from any of them.
But I just want to, you know, Maria is an amazing woman and her art's amazing.
And I just don't understand where she is. And it's just, well, I know she's emailing me, but I just want, you know, Maria is an amazing woman and her art's amazing. And I just don't understand where she is.
And it's just, well, I know she's emailing me, but I just want her to phone me.
Well, and what's concerning about this is that, okay, so now we have a pattern here.
You know, you were no longer allowed to talk to Virginia Giffray.
And then you had to go through her husband's email address.
And now it seems that you're no longer allowed to talk to Maria.
it seems that you're no longer allowed to talk to Maria.
Now, at the end of the day, let's be real.
Now, at the end of the day, let's be real,
if you're getting an email from Maria,
we don't know for sure if it's her that's typing the email.
So I find it concerning that now this isn't just happened
with one survivor, it happened with two.
Well, with three, because Sarah Ransom as well.
I can't get in touch with her. I've even
sent messages to her boyfriend. She's had a child with a man, and I sent a message to him.
He doesn't reply to me either. Well, tell the audience who she is, how you know her, and tell
us about her story. Because I'm not familiar with with that name and I don't think the audience is either.
So tell us a little about her.
Well, firstly, Maria Pham is the first amazing victim to speak about them and go to the FBI.
She went to the FBI in the 90s, but they ignored her story.
Maria has been fighting for years and she has also been ill, you know.
She's had cancer and she's been through a lot,
but she keeps fighting. But I can't get in touch with her anymore, only through email, not through
phone. Sarah Ransom, you know, we were very close. She's another Epstein survivor.
She had a lawsuit against him. We used to speak all the time.
I can't get in touch with Sarah anymore.
How long have you not been able to get in touch with her?
And what exactly did the lawsuit entail?
What did it say?
Well, Sarah Ransom started a lawsuit against Epstein in 2016.
She was very brave.
Maria Farmer, also very brave, started, brave, started speaking to the FBI in the 90s because they kidnapped her sister as well, Annie. And we used to speak on the
phone and stuff, but I can't get in touch with him on the phone anymore. Maria Farmer emails me,
but Sarah Ransom, I don't get any emails or any phone calls anymore the last I knew was she
had a beautiful little boy a little baby and we were speaking every day and then suddenly
she cut contact the way I'm seeing this is they're trying to keep all of the survivors
from talking to each other on purpose and being done over a period of time as we've seen with Virginia.
I mean, this is like something I would say only like an intelligence agency would be
really good at doing.
Liz, what do you think?
Like, what else can you chime in on this?
And so, and I don't know if Juliet wants to talk about this or give her opinion on this,
but I'll bring it up.
You know, I interviewed Nick Bryant, who Juliet, I know that you've talked to him and you're a fan of his work. He's done some really great work and he's been
covering Epstein longer than I have. And I interviewed him for the show I do with America's
Future, Not on My Watch. Teddy, stop. And, you know, it's his opinion that this victim's fund that's being run by David Boies and his law firm,
you know, is being used as a way to control the survivors, you know, because they have to sign
NDAs. And so, you know, Julia, I don't know, do you want to? Yeah, let me go here. I mean, I'm willing to speak about all of this because the FBI wanted to fly me to America, you know, to interview me.
But my child's father wouldn't let me travel and I wouldn't go without my child.
So, you know, they arranged us emergency visas.
They were going to pay for first-class flights, five-star hotels.
Suddenly, when I wasn't able to travel there, they didn't want to interview me anymore.
They started ignoring my emails.
So it's almost like they wanted to only see me in person, which is very suspicious.
You know, and I think a lot of victims who dealt with the FBI have had very hard times,
like Sarah Manson went home and tried to kill herself after she was taken to America.
I'm sure there are more stories like this.
Thank goodness I was safe from going there.
But it's very, very worrying, you know, with everything with the FBI.
Sorry, I've lost my train of thought. No, well, I mean, and also, let's also bring up, you know, Larry Nassar and how the FBI treated his victims like garbage.
You know, there's been congressional hearings about this.
The FBI was sued for this because they treated the victims like garbage.
They did not thoroughly investigate the case.
I mean, they basically were working in the best interest of Nassar and protecting him,
which is why they were able to sue the FBI.
Yeah.
Money from them.
So, you know, like,
I am sure that there was a lot of that going on
with, you know, the investigations
into Jeffrey Epstein as well.
So, you know, we can completely understand your concerns.
In terms of the law firm, didn't they also want it, like, weren't they kind of pressuring you to speak to a psychiatrist they had?
And can you talk about that?
I'm very happy to talk about it all.
Apparently, they went through more of my information than they would with the murderer.
And the woman who
enlightened me to this, her name was
Lucia Osborne Crowley.
It turned out eventually that she was
friends with Victoria Harvey, the one who's
been very cruel about
Virginia.
That woman is a monster.
When we had the images of Virginia
from the quote-unquote bus accident
with the bruises on her face
What did she write in her Instagram story karma and then when she allegedly committed suicide?
She she was basically celebrating on her Instagram and it took her what like two three hours to retract her statement only after she got public backlash
If I were to guess if I was an investigator
I would start with that entire family from prince
andrew the royal family man they're the ones that most likely behind anything if any they're the
ones that were on the hot seat prince andrew is like a freaking pedophile like i'm not even going
to say allegedly don't forget israel also same thing same Same thing. The British family.
They're not the royal family.
But I would like to know.
But I'm here.
Lucia Osborne Crowley.
Apparently she was spying on a lot of the victims.
Who?
Because she was trying to write a book about us.
It was a plant.
So she was trying to get me in touch with the Nassau lawyers.
Because she said that the way I was treated, that's what we were talking about, the way the lawyers treated me. They went through more of my information than they would with a
murderer. I was analysed by four medical professionals for six hours. They were trying
to say I'm schizophrenic, but unfortunately, I'm clever. Well, I mean, they couldn't do that
because I studied psychology and I knew where they were going. Anyway, these people are very
evil. They wrote a medical report about me. It said I'm a very accurate historian and I knew where they were going. Anyway, these people are very evil. They wrote a medical report about me
and said I'm a very accurate historian
and I've got post-traumatic stress syndrome.
None of the other victims were analyzed like this.
Sorry.
So I know Virginia is like the most...
Oh, go ahead.
You got something to say?
I was just going to say, don't apologize.
Your story is very important.
Yeah. Juliet,. Thank you guys.
Sorry. Thank you so much. You're in a safe space, Juliette. We are totally here to support you and get your story out. And so if you need to take some breaks, you know, go for it and, you know,
we can just continue on. But I believe what Juliet is saying is that so the lawyers that were supposed to be helping the survivors were doing these like ridiculous, like, you know, medical evaluations on Juliet.
And I believe, Juliet, you've also told me that, you know, that they were trying to also potentially like get you on medicine and, you know.
They sent a data capturing advice to me.
I had to plug it into my computer and they captured all my data from my computer, my phones.
They were questioning me about my dreams.
And, yeah, there is the fund, you know, this fund for survivors where you get sent to a therapist, but they have to make provision for a psychiatrist.
So I said, no, thank you.
You know, it's an amazing offer, like $200,000 worth of therapy for two years, but none of the victims want it.
Anyway, I'm going to stop talking for now because, yeah, it all gets a bit much.
Thank you again so much, everyone.
I'll come back i'm
here i'm yeah yeah this has been incredible juliet you're doing an incredible job i know it's hard to
rehash a lot of this and uh you know we're we're gonna go to some speakers here and some hands in
a minute um and i just want to reset the space a bit and ask you guys again to repost it let's get
the word out there uh Go ahead. I think
at Trump, I think you were saying something. It was you, Ezra. Yeah, I just want to ask Liz a
question. I think it will be a good idea to us. I'm thinking out loud right now. So if I'm wrong,
please, I apologize in advance. But I think we should get a get the public at least a list of
the names of all the Epstein survivors, at least out there, so we know.
Because not everyone is familiar with all these names.
Everybody knows Virginia, because she's the most popular one.
And whatever happened to her is obviously tragic.
But what about others?
Like, who else is there?
I would like to know.
I was trying to look today.
Every time I look it up through Google,
they've been drugged to death or other weird deaths.
Like, who are the remaining victims?
And can we get like a list out there? So people actually we've actually got yeah, I posted
Julia's list of the people that she knows with the picture she put in her back channel
It's in the don't let me it's in the pill right now
So let's just talk about that for one second. What the amount? And like what is it like 20, 30?
I don't know
I want to know the number
Thousands
Over a thousand
There are 200 that have evidence
Apparently that came from the fund
But I'd like to know where they are
Because also with the J.P. Morgan fund
There was a billion dollars worth of human trafficking transactions
Through J.P. Morgan and Epstein's accounts
100% So why are the names not on the flight logs? Who were they trafficking? worth of human trafficking transactions through JP Morgan and Epstein's accounts.
100%. I remember that.
So why are the names not on the flight logs?
Who were they trafficking?
That's where you get to the eggs.
But anyway, I don't know where all the victims are because I think a lot of girls in America
are too frightened to speak out because that's why they were going through my information.
They were looking for something they could have on me.
If I'd ever done anything illegal, they would have, you know, a lot of girls have been put
in prison and stuff, I'm sure. You know, these people are very sneaky. And
where are the victims? That's exactly what I want to know. Where are they? Because when there are
200 victims who've claimed from the JP Morgan fund, you know, $290 million were paid to the girls.
Where are they? There should at least be a couple of them speaking out but they're not
where are they so that's exactly what i wanted to just talk about like i'm hearing about all
these victims what i'm getting from this entire space is maybe i'm wrong maybe i'm right but
they're like keeping all of these victims separated and slowly some of them are dying and some of them
are just for reasons that we don't know are not allowed to talk.
So what we're going to do is we're going to assign some homework.
Like if anybody knows about these victims, any article you come across, if they're alive, they're not, send them to either my DMs or Liz's DM.
We're going to try to put a list together at least.
That's the bare minimum we can do.
Like everybody talks about, oh, it's just this is just a trending topic for the week let's actually do some homework i'll do it also i'll try to look up
i was trying to look up today before the spaces it was extremely a little bit hard so i want to
find like where are these victims maybe we can bring them in they can share something we can
connect dots together because it's obvious that whatever administration is in charge is not interested
or maybe they're just slow walking stonewalling taking their times or there's some other secrets
we don't know but until that comes up we gotta do something like because all of us or some of us
have kids at the end of the day like what are you gonna do tell your kids we did nothing this is like
the biggest scandal of our lifetime. And it connects the downfall
of our entire country because all of these, excuse my language, they're assholes. They've
all blackmailed. They're all stealing money from us. Like we got to do at least something.
Before we jump in, I just want to say something because this is a topic people are talking about
on X and they pretend like they're influencers. They pretend like they're researchers.
This problem is extremely large.
It is very deep, and it's wide.
So if you think you're going to just go ahead and throw the list out, and let's start arresting people before you clean out the judges, before you clean out the DOJ, the DOD, the CIA, and you clean out the people that are sitting there being gatekeepers
none of this information can
fully be released
until that's done.
Because what happens is, hold on, please
Shadow, just let me finish. I just want to make this
clear because it's really big on X
right now and people are engagement farming like
crazy and that's why I'm not on X.
So the point that I'm making
is until you clear the playing field.
You are on X.
You're on X now.
No, what I mean is before they get rid of the people like Pete Hegseth is getting rid of.
And those people, I'm talking about the people that are sitting there tweeting that we need to rest right now.
We need names right now.
Yeah, you're right.
You cannot release names until you get rid of people that are gate and the administration they get in
trump and musk they they hop in promising that i know everyone a lot of people pro trump he's much
better than other people i never met him of course but you can't do it until you can't release the
names until you get rid of people that are going to block the info. And where is Elon Musk's statement?
Elon Musk is going to...
Where is the statement, Juan Virginia?
They promised the list. Where is the statement?
You can't release the list until you get rid of some people that are going to prevent the information from coming out.
And I'm not gatekeeping for Donald Trump. What I'm trying to say is, until you can have actual proof, a rock solid legal case, Donald Trump just signed
executive order 14159. It says now the military supersedes the police. So when the time comes
and they do release names, it's going to be chaos because there are more Republicans causing problems
than Democrats in Washington. People that are working in Washington right now, and some of my
friends that are in here know these people that work for the Trump campaign, are saying the worst
part of politics is the Republicans that Elon is doing as far as doge goes. So you got to clear the playing field a little bit more.
You got to arrest the people at the border.
We just got the border from San Diego to El Paso locked down.
It's going to happen soon.
And my God, for the survivors, anyone who knows me and Liz knows and Sun Tzu knows
and Stellar knows and people that have been in my space for two years.
Child trafficking has been my biggest thing.
Liz's very first space when her and Mike did their space, we had 275 pawn people roll over there and support her.
I'm no bigger fan of people that fight child trafficking than anyone else.
I could care about any of this other stuff, but things have to happen in order,
lawfare, legally, to make it happen. And I believe we're a few months away from big,
big things happening. If Brian Gamble was in here, he'd be the one clapping loud as saying,
don't worry, things are happening. But if you need names for people that are criminals right now, they can flee and run. We still haven't dealt with what's going on in Israel. They're blocking what's going on. If we don't tighten up the ship before we release names, then nothing can happen the right way.
to anyone who's been a victim because i'm not a victim but i will support any victim and anyone
that ever wants to come in the pond and you want to talk about this and you need a bullhorn and
you want to scream really loud i will open my space again for that i don't care about all this
other bullshit that people talk about on x because there's a bunch of engagement forming losers
that all they care about is clicks like and, and subscribes, and I hate them all. All of them.
Yeah. So what Trumpfrog is saying is that there's a lot of things that need to happen for the path to be cleared. So there's not just real justice, but there's full disclosure of
information. And so getting rid of corrupt judges would be one part of that. But we also have a
major problem with gatekeepers
in this community, specifically in the MAGA community. You know, we were just talking about
that monster, like Lady Victoria or like Victoria Furby, like whatever her name is, that's just,
you know, here, Virginia Giuffre allegedly commits suicide. She's dead. And she's all over Instagram
slandering her, attacking her, you know, all while she's posting pictures of her at Mar-a-Lago
and she's wearing a MAGA hat, which I don't believe any of that's real. I don't really
believe she's a MAGA supporter. I don't believe like any true MAGA supporter would treat any
survivor that way. But at the end of the day, this woman is photographed and is friendly with,
you know, a lot of the biggest social media accounts out there that have been exposing,
you know, or at least pretend to be exposing Jeffrey Epstein, pretend to be advocates, you know, for the survivors. So,
you know, there is a massive problem with gatekeeping and all of us here, I believe,
are dealing with and have dealt with major censorship issues on X. And so, you know,
if this stuff doesn't get cleared up, then it's just going
to be the gatekeepers that are putting out the information. And that means we're not going to
get the real information. We're going to get the controlled opposition version of, you know, not
the truth, but what, you know, the gatekeepers want the people to hear about Jeffrey Epstein.
So I think that that's what Trump was trying to get at.
Yeah, 97% of D.C. is super liberal. And I say 97% because the Republicans that are sitting there working supposedly to support Doge and close up all these things like USAID, like Rand Paul
and Thomas Massey, those two frauds that are finally exposed, we're seeing who these people really are. And I've
been saying it for a long time. And it's funny how I get messages going, you were right. Yeah,
you can see it because it's called the 80-20 rule. That's why I call people from Telegram
that come here and say, oh, Adrenochrome's not real. Okay, Teletubby, go back into your box
because Adrenochrome has been proven to be real. There's no question about it. So I just
think it's going to take some time. That's all. Forgive my passion, but I really think that it's
going to take a little more time for the truth to come out. Donald Trump wants to do it legally.
That's the facts. Look at the executive orders he's writing. They need to canonize them,
but Mike Johnson is stopping it. It's going to take some time to get rid of the swamp.
Sorry, but I hate to be the asshole, but sometimes you've got to do it.
Yeah, I mean, I agree with you on the engagement farming.
If you see accounts that are just posting, like I understand everybody's upset with Pam Bondi.
As she's a public servant, you have every right to criticize her openly as whatever you want to say.
But if you're one of these accounts where you're just writing pan bondi isn't doing anything but you're not posting
anything constructive like if you're not giving follow-ups about like when i see something about
i've seen in the news i immediately post to my followers this person said this about this this
person said this about this and they're promising this or that i'll try to give like the updates
coming from the horse's mouth but if somebody is just like what he said engagement farming just looking for a react
that is a waste of time i agree with i don't follow accounts like that like or keep up with
those types of i don't even see them like i have them muted so i don't i don't like have time for
that like obviously what most people want to know is about the FBI. Where are the tapes, like the surveillance tapes they had from, they confiscated from the Epstein?
Or do they still exist?
Have they been deleted?
That's why people get a little paranoid and not trustworthy.
Because they want to know where is that actual evidence?
Where are the surveillance tapes?
Where are the blackmail tapes?
Do the FBI still have them?
Are they in Tel Aviv? They're in israel where are they like do we like we don't know what like i guess sometimes people just feel in the dark so they just react in a very like i don't know what's
going on you guys understand what i'm saying like sometimes that happens i do i do yeah but it's like
if you support cash patel and you support Pam Bondi and you trust Donald Trump,
Cash Patel has been in office for six weeks.
Dan Bongino's had his job for three weeks.
I want this as much as anybody else.
I can think of my friends in here.
Hey, what's up, Sam?
I think of my friends in here.
But if you're going to do an investigation, talk to Alpha Warrior, who is an actual investigator,
who's a police officer and
he would tell you you have to create an ironclad case before you drop information because there's
too many people engagement farming that will blow it up if you had a list come out then there if
they know too what's going on so i'm really passionate about that because i see it all the
time i'm like i can't open this app. It's absolute garbage.
How many people want to be the first to the info, but they're not protecting source information.
Sun Tzu is an attorney. He knows exactly what I'm saying, laughing at me for being passionate about it. But it's the truth, logic over emotion any day of the week. And I'm very emotional about
people being engagement farmers. But if you want it it done right you have to do it correctly i get it so let's let's list let's bring in some people
because they've been raising their hand for a while let's see what they have to say what they
have to ask judo judo is here so we'll have liz go and then judo that's julia if we try to bring
up david wilcock i was dming with earlier, and I think that he might have some interesting information.
Is he in here right now? I don't see him.
Let me see if I can bring him up. How do I do this?
Yeah, just click on him and invite him to speak.
How do I do that? Oh, I just found it. Okay, I figured it out.
Okay, I think that... Let's see, is he in here?
There we go.
I was going to speak, I think. I wanted to just share a couple of things to put the
hearts at rest for a few people. I have actually seen Maria. I've spoken to Maria.
I've actually seen Maria. I've spoken to Maria. She is having medical problems and that is what dampens a lot of her energy. difficult for her to tell her story, to manage social medias, all the medias, the mainstreams,
the sidestreams, all of them. When she is attacked endlessly, as it has been stated here that Virginia had, you know,
unfortunately just been tortured with.
And I'm sorry, I'm trying not to get emotional,
but it's very difficult.
I love you, Judah.
I understand.
So much love.
Thank you so much for speaking out.
I love you.
I love you too. I would like to say that in my opinion, let me say that very clearly.
In my opinion, some of you here are over the target when you're speaking of gatekeepers.
When you're speaking of gatekeepers, if you look at the hurdles, much like Trump Frog,
I believe that's your name, that you had referenced where certain steps can't be taken,
certain people can't be locked up and yada, yada, yada, yada, because you got to have a judge that's going to
follow it through or whatever, right? And when we're speaking of gatekeepers and we're speaking commonalities and threads, I find it very curious that the representation, if you will,
that Juliet and Maria shared is the same firm that Hunter Biden had at one time been employed with
and that he and Devin Archer used, apparently as representation shown in the Marco Polo laptop from hell.
in the Marco Polo laptop from hell.
He and Devin Archer were using that firm in Ukraine.
And let's not forget that Devin Archer was also a model for Abercrombie and Fitch
that was owned by Les Wexner. So, you know, there's a whole lot of ties
on the backside. Pardon me, because I want to say something else. I'd like to say, I'd like to say
something key right here, that when we're talking about gatekeepers and we're talking about the fact that these victims get run off from every platform that they're on because people attack them, what happensild was on the board at the McCain Institute with Cindy Lou, who knew.
Okay.
She didn't know that.
She knew, of course course who Lynn was she knew all of Lynn's connections
she of course knew that Cindy McCain had admitted to knowing all of this but who could she tell, right? Everybody's seen that, you know,
interview of her on her stage there. But the fact is that if she knew and she sees these
connections and whatnot, then why does she have Lynn on her board? And by the way isn't it like Lynn's brother that has you
know big control with business at Teterboro Airport the same one that
Juliet just spoke of that she was trafficked out of like this doesn't this
isn't rocket science but to Trump frogs point, certain pieces have to be in position before you can just go doing these things.
And it is entirely terrifying for these victims to be anywhere and see garbage like, what's the chick's name that wears the free galane shirt and then
she's got this binder and she's she's beep that no it's the other one that jessica reed kraus and
she's you know be bopping out of the white house do you know what that does to these victims like
you gotta be freaking serious here.
And I understand, one last thing before I hush my face,
I can understand that Kash Patel or Pam Bondi
or whomever, Dan Bongino,
I've already obviously proven that I understand
why they perhaps wouldn't have people in cuffs in front of me doing a perp walk this five minutes.
But what I do not understand, and I will not ever forgive, is that they haven't made a statement about Virginia.
They haven't made a statement to the rest of the victims that they are still
working on this. So you know what? I'm not impressed at all. And I would beg everyone
listening to this space now and in the future to say a prayer for these victims. And may the Lord above bless them for their bravery and courage
because they fight demons after they have stepped forward
to grace and bless the rest of us with a safety.
And they're given none.
I have seen the reports that have been sent through to these attorneys,
to federal agents. I've seen the reports that have been sent through to these attorneys, to federal agents.
I've seen them.
And action isn't taken.
Okay?
So please have mercy upon all of these victims.
I would ask that if you know of one, then reach out to them privately if you know them. The last thing they need is
strangers knocking on their front door. You understand what I'm saying? Yes. It's terrifying.
Thank you for your passion. No, thank you for your passion. I am so glad you followed me
because I am with you. I've known girls have been raped,
not to the degree of what people have dealt with.
And I've dated someone for four years that went through some serious trauma.
So I understand what someone goes through.
That's even just living a normal life of what they've dealt with.
That's what kind of got me into this in the first place.
And that was back in 2012.
So I'm always going to be sympathetic.
I just, my heart tells me, and I pray to God, and I'm a strong believer in Jesus Christ,
that I believe that we are very close.
Remember, Donald Trump's first executive order, number seven in 2017 was 13773 around human
trafficking, right? Child trafficking. in 2017 was 13773 around human trafficking right child trafficking so i believe we are setting the
table for something very large and nothing can happen fast enough i'm the most urgent
asshole you will ever meet we need maria's foia then yes we need her unredacted foia she's been
asking for that since jump i and she reported theseBs in 96 she's the only one that
stepped forward and then after she went in after she had to change her life and turn it upside down
she's figuring out that there's additional snakes snakes that she wasn't aware of, right? So she tries falling back and like having some sort of an existence.
Then you have these clowns coming and talking to her.
All of a sudden, they're interested.
Well, the reason that they were interested, in my opinion, is that Virginia had them by the short and curlies.
Yep.
So they needed to control.
So that's when they went and knocked on Maria's door.
Okay?
So, you know, when you want to say that they should act or behave differently,
Should act or behave differently.
any one of these victims,
Any one of these victims.
You have to remember.
That everything that we see.
Is from our vantage point.
And.
If you are in.
A terrifying situation.
And someone.
That.
Has a big shiny badge.
Comes and tells you. That they're going to be your hero,
you're going to believe them
because you haven't had any experience
prior to them telling you not to.
Right?
And so then,
now you're completely vulnerable to be controlled
because they're going to tell you,
oh, don't look left, look right.
Oh, by the way, this is probably going to happen.
Don't believe this or that.
You see what I'm saying?
I do.
No one should ever tell a victim
how they should feel or react.
It doesn't matter if it
was 20 years ago. Stuff like that doesn't go away. I've learned it personally from people I've known.
It's terrible. People had PTSD from 20 years ago. It doesn't go away when you're a victim.
And I don't blame any victim ever because empathy is a human trait. If you can't have empathy for
someone's pain, then you shouldn't even talk to them.
You should shut up and listen.
That's right.
That's right.
Hey, guys, let me just say real quick, I'm getting reports all over X that spaces are glitching.
So if something happens, it could just be spaces.
I know I'm getting pretty throttled.
We've had some problems with the purple pill.
So if we do go down, which has happened before, we'll get the spaces started right back up.
Just to reset, you guys repost.
We're talking with Juliet, who's a survivor from Epstein Island, one of the victims tonight.
And we're transitioning into the speaking phase.
I know Liz, I believe, had a question, I think, for David Wilcox,
and then we had some other speakers we had invited to come in here as well.
And Mike's in the room.
MJ Truth Ultra.
By the way, Mike's in the room, too.
You got Mike in here? Okay.
What up, Chris?
I'll bring him up, too.
How you doing, homie?
Because he's not already up. So, okay. Go ahead, Liz.
Judo, I just want to thank you for speaking, and you're my spirit animal. I love your passion,
and I feel your pain and your frustration,
you know, to see some of these reporters slash influencers, you know, being paraded, you know,
in Mar-a-Lago and the white house, you know, who are up to people that are slandering victims.
Yes. Wearing free delaying t-shirts at a court hearing like it's a rock concert is absolutely disgusting and has been making my stomach turn for months.
So I can't even imagine how those survivors feel.
My thoughts and prayers go out to Maria.
I am glad you heard from her.
So, you know, I'm glad that she's talking to you and you've heard from her.
But thank you so much for coming in and speaking and enlightening us.
And, you know.
I did want to ask you one thing, though, Liz, real quick. And then, um, I'm going to be quiet. I promise. Um,
Liz, I did want to ask one thing. Cause I know that you, because you have, um, worked hard to
expose, um, much of this trade, if you will, um, which I appreciate. And I know that many, many others appreciate also.
I know that it has put you in vulnerable positions.
And I know that your phone and accounts have been hacked as well.
And so I just wanted to see while we're in this space together and we're speaking of Maria,
I wanted to see if you could clear up the fact for her and for anyone that's listening that
when you had your hand injury, it didn't have anything to do with her.
Please. And thank you.
Oh my goodness. I've never even heard that before.
Oh yeah. Uh huh. She, uh huh. Yeah. It was saying that it was like somehow related to her. I can't remember the facts because it was so absurd. That's how deep this, um, stalking, this gang stalking, this is how deep it goes. You all. Um, and so that's why i wanted to hear that up thank you
come together and people speak truth yeah oh my god no i mean i yes i was in a tragic accident
years ago and it did involve involve the hyatt hotel which is tied to jeffrey epstein via the
chairman tom pritzker who virginia jufre called out. God bless her for that.
But no, my my injury with my fingers had absolutely nothing to do with Maria.
And I'm so sorry to hear that anyone even said that because I've never even seen that.
Now, granted, I block most most of the shills here, so I don't have to see any of that garbage.
This is one of the ways I'm able to continue on is just not by, by not looking at that or
reading that, but no, she had nothing to do with it. And I'm sorry to hear that someone
would even suggest that that's unbelievable, but needless to say, thank you for coming and
chatting and, and, you know, please, you know, give Maria my love and tell her that I'm praying for her.
We're all praying for her.
And if there's ever anything that to help her, let me know.
I followed you so you can DM me.
Okay, let's move on to David.
Is David in here yet?
He's a, did he get a mic yet?
I think he dropped off.
We had him in here, Liz.
I'll see if we want you message him, Liz, see if you can get him back up. And I know MJ Truth Ultra is another invited guest. And then Angela, I believe, is a friend with him. So go ahead, Liz.
Then let's get MJ. MJ's posting a lot of really good information, you know, below the space and tweets. So, MJ, welcome. You have a mic. Can you hear us?
Thank you, Giro.
Yeah, I can hear you.
All right. Welcome to our space. Thank you so much for coming.
I know you've been covering this so well, and your page is amazing.
You do the great posts. So why don't you just kind of chime in and give us your two cents.
Well, you've got to forgive me. I've been jumping in and out, not on purpose.
I don't know what's going on. It's kicking me in and out.
So I call it half the conversation.
But the subject is Epstein and how come documents haven't been released yet.
And I think Trumpfrog earlier just kind of summarized everything really beautifully,
earlier just kind of summarized everything really beautifully, you know, as far as things have to
be done right. And I think it was about a year ago, I did a post about Rudy Giuliani and how he
took down, you know, the mafia back in New York. And that was a very big endeavor. And, you know,
really that operation took somewhere between, I think, 10 and 12 years.
And when we're looking at what we're looking at today and the implications, you know, all across
the board, you know, this isn't just a, you know, organized crime syndicate. We're talking about
entities within the government and, you know, a lot of foreign heads of state. So, you know, a lot of foreign heads of state.
So, you know, my opinion is that we're dealing with a very delicate matter to where, you know, we have to find a way to operate after, you know, all is revealed.
And, you know, to a degree, I think that, you know, a lot of people are very impatient.
But if you just look at everything, you know, if you just throw everything on a whiteboard right now on the significance of everything that's been happening the last seven years or 10 years, I should say, since Trump entered the picture, the political picture, you know, he's dismantled a lot of shit that we frankly had no idea that was going on. And it's not just Epstein. You know, we're talking about things in Hollywood. We're talking about NXIVM. We're talking about Peter Nagard. We're talking about John of God. We're talking about all of these things, these elements of evil that have been around for a long time in and outside of Hollywood and the political spectrum that dismantled, you know, that began being highlighted as soon as Trump entered the picture. So there's some, I caught the conversation of, you know, criticizing Bondi
and Cash. And I think there's a time and place to do that. But I forget who mentioned it. It's
still too early. It's way too early. And you have to remember that, you know, regardless of what you
think about them, you have to understand that they're coming into a situation to where, you know, you already have a hostile ship in the FBI. You already have a
hostile ship in the DOJ. So, you know, we have to give them some time to work through these things.
And already, I think that they have done a phenomenal job, you know, with taking out some
of the most, you know, the baddest of the baddest in regards to criminal illegal aliens in this
country.
And then we've already gotten a few files, a few declassified files with RFK, the assassination, and then with JFK.
And what's funny to me is, and I'll get off my soapbox, is that we were crying for these things for years.
And then we finally get them, and then after day one, it just dropped off the map. Like not really anybody dug into them or stayed dug into them.
And there's still thousands of like, for instance, JFK files that people just still haven't read.
So already, I guess the point I'm trying to make is we've already witnessed,
you know, a lot of ground being covered already already and we just entered into the first hundred days so you're dropping bombs bro and people have not mentioned that and thank you mj
because what you're saying is true people forget because everybody lives on the you know the the
instant reaction media i want more i want want more. Feed me. Feed me.
Cash Patel said they actually created a civil case, a RICO case for Russia, Russia, Russia.
The Russia collusion case for 2020 elections, which no one believes me when I said it's not over.
It's all tied to the same thing. It's all tied to trafficking.
It's all tied to the DOJ stuff. It's all tied to the same thing. It's all tied to trafficking. It's all tied to the DOJ stuff.
It's all tied to all of these things. Like what you said is so true.
No one is talking about that on X.
I'm not on here.
I'm not you.
You've got a huge account, right?
But here's the truth.
You create a civil case versus Russia, Russia, Russia.
What happens is you get discovery. And when you have a civil case versus russia russia russia what happens is you get discovery
and when you have a legal discovery about that then you go back to you know what uh happened
with what's his name which by the way all these spaces are recorded when they were talking about
uh what's his name um who's the the guy that was investigating done in 30 uh what's the
the person with the goatee i can't
think of his name right now because my brain's moving too fast yes and his son all that happens
is as soon as it goes to a civil trial it becomes a criminal trial because all the evidence is
already in place yeah and um things have to happen in timing timing opportunity and circumstance
it's what i learned at Nike.
People need to be patient.
Let me add this.
You just brought up Durham.
For those who followed it, I clipped the entire thing when he came out.
I can't be the only one that was surprised by his voice.
It didn't match his body.
But I would urge everybody to go back and just re-listen to that.
I have a clip somewhere.
John Huber.
John Huber as well.
It's all tied together.
Durham has a son.
Yeah, so he mentioned that there was some criminal investigation still ongoing.
So when you have ongoing cases, you have, you have to, you have to understand that
there's a legal process to everything. And that's what we want. We want, you know, the legal process
to happen. And, you know, it may move very slow, but, you know, when they do move, you know,
somebody that we all know said when they move, it moves very powerfully. So we just have to be patient. And, you know, we'll have a day
where if, you know, things haven't happened after a certain period, then yeah, we need to start
criticizing and pushing, you know, that needle a little bit more. But I think that President Trump
and who he's got in place right now, we just have to trust him, you know, in this moment. And it's
not to say that we lay all of our eggs in this one man.
You know, we're all here to help.
And that's exactly what we've been doing.
I mean, every single one of you guys,
I'm looking at you guys, Chavez or Liz,
Trump Frog, Sun Tzu,
a lot of other great people,
you know, we've really activated ourselves
over the last, you know, several years
to where, you know, before,
you know, I don't know about you guys,
but I wasn't paying attention to any of this shit.
And then all of a sudden I'm engaged in billions of people every single year
are listening to what we have to say.
And it's just really a vital element that I think we all need to understand
that we've moved the needle in a very big way
and we just have to just keep pushing it.
How about Virginia moving the needle?
That's what this speech is about.
We're talking about Virginia Gaffer.
I agree.
But what I was going to say, and thank you, Juliet,
but what MJ is saying, got a big platform.
We need balance.
No, I totally agree.
But, you know, we need to move this
back to what we're talking about, which is
the suspicious death of
an amazing woman.
I know that you're all amazing. You all have
your platforms, but this woman
put your life on the line for you all.
My platform is trafficking.
If you follow me for two years,
that's what I've cared about the most.
This all comes back to the same thing, whether we're talking about what's going on in Russia,
Russia, Russia, which is Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, Haiti, it goes back to
trafficking. You need to create the crimes around them to expose the trafficking. And yes, it should
be out in Julia. So I mean, it should be about Virginia. And I promise that. But my point is, like,
what he's saying is people need perspective, because yes, and we can go back to Virginia
for sure. But they are tied together, I promise.
Well, let me add this.
Everyone can sit and congratulate themselves as much as they like. But what is being done?
Where is the Epstein list?
Julia?
Well, let me say this.
So, you know, did President Biden or Obama or Bush or Clinton, you know, these operations have been going on for a very long time.
Did any of them ever mention anything to the degree that there is, you know, an operation, a blackmail operation?
They're all lying.
Yeah, so that only came into perspective.
And forgive me, I didn't hear anything about Epstein.
I was just living my life, and I'm sure a lot of people did too,
before Trump stepped on the scene.
And in a very big way, everything has been highlighted.
And frankly, I would not, and many people would not have never even heard the name Virginia if it were not for
what has been happening these last few years. So, you know, I know we want the files. I want the
files, you know, but I just think that there's a time and place and there's a lot of legal,
legal, or I should say legalities to, you know, what's being done. And they have acknowledged
that they have it.
And they're going through this stuff in regards to victims.
And we have to understand a lot of these people that were involved are alive today.
So there's a lot of legalities and things that we need to sort through.
That's just my perspective.
And I just think that they have made the effort,
the Trump administration has made the effort to say, hey, we are going through
this. We're working on it. Please be patient. So I'm just going to be patient. And like I said,
we're just 100 days into the administration. And we'll have a day that we can criticize,
I think, more harshly, but I just don't feel it's, you know, it's today.
You know, we've been, you know, waiting for this list for a very long time.
And Trump just got in office and he says he wants to expose it.
So I'm trusting that guy that we all put in office.
Well, I was kidnapped by them a quarter of a century ago.
I think a quarter of a century ago. I think a quarter of a century ago,
I was kidnapped by them.
So I'd like to know.
And Maria Farmer laid a complaint against him
through the FBI
over a century,
over a quarter of a century ago.
It's a long time.
It is a long time.
25 years ago that Maria Farmer laid.
Actually, it was 27 years ago,
28 years ago
that she laid a complaint.
Time is a ticking.
Tick tock.
I agree.
I think a lot of people just lost faith after that whole binder incident, MJ, with the whole Pam Bondi saying, it's on my desk.
Tomorrow it's going to be released.
And that whole debacle, that just kind of ruined a lot of people's momentum and trust.
I think that's why everybody's so frustrated.
Right.
Keep believing the government and, you know.
Well, we got to, yeah, there's got to be a healthy balance. There's no doubt about it.
I feel you, Julianne.
Trust me on that.
I think we all, a lot of us in here feel that.
Well, you know what?
Coming from a place like South Africa, okay, we don't have electricity a lot of the time. Sorry, my little boy's working up. He like south africa okay we don't have electricity a lot of the time sorry my little boy's working up he's calling me we often we don't have
electricity here we're used to that you know there was the power outage recently in spain and
portugal you know what if everything goes off yeah that's true they've been having these blackouts
they've been what was the reason they gave for the blackout they said it was some weird phenomenon that didn't make no sense so they blamed it on solar panels or something well i heard
it was yeah no it was atmosphere i covered it it was the some some phenomenon with atmospheric stuff
and it has all the trademarks of some type of you know um like some type of emp weapon
solar alignment it was solar alignments
because Spain and Portugal
said they wouldn't support Israel
because of the attacks
on Palestine.
Wow, you're speaking my language, Trump
frogs. Can you offer
more about that?
I want to know more about that because I only read about that.
So the EU,
especially Spain and Portugal, are done with Israel terrorizing the Gaza Strip and separating the people in Palestine from the Gaza Strip, right?
So they finally came out and said it and they will not support the military industrial complex company that's building their weapons.
So when they came out and they released that statement,
all of a sudden they lost their power.
So I believe we're getting very close and Starlink will be the connect.
All of this stuff combines, like I'm going to say this to Juliet,
my biggest passion is trafficking and survivors.
And when the grid goes down and we flip over
and we go to a digital economy,
which we are going to do,
the Bank of London just made that clear,
and we flip over and we have everything trade and change,
all of my money and my resources I've invested
for a long time, thanks to Stellar, who educated me, will be for America's future and Project to Defend and Protect the Children.
That's already a done deal.
That is my sole passion, is this.
We are very close.
That's why things are loud.
But I will say this about Kash Patel.
I want to make it very close. That's why things are loud. But I will say this about Kash Patel. I want to make it very
clear. Every time he's interviewed, he talks about human trafficking as the FBI's number one thing
that they are working on. Listen to his interviews. Don't be mistaken when the guy says publicly what
he's doing versus what they're able to do. I'm so tired of people sitting there going,
it's not happening. It can't happen fast enough for me. But listen to the people in charge,
what they're saying. There is politics involved. If you've never worked in corporate America,
you've never had a real job and you got to get along with people and play the game. I have
to do it every day. My boss knows who I am and I run a business, but I can't sit there and scream
that people are retards, but you can turn around and say, this is what my focus is. And Cash Patel
is loud about that. That Rico case of Russia, Russia, Russia is about Hillary.
It's about Adam Schiff.
It's about the Gang of Eight.
It's about all the child traffickers.
Think of the Little Kids Foundation.
It's not going away.
It can't happen fast enough.
But you've got to read the tea leaves.
The tea leaves are once we get the criminal case with these people and we shut down the federal reserve
i promise you they're done done and it will happen so fast and i believe it's going to happen in the
next three to six months that's and i'm not a date fag but three to six months don't date fag
it's always a mistake juliet no date fagging i'm not a tele tele tubby dude adrenochromes are
not real people should unfollow that guy for that stupid statement you're an idiot trigger much um
yeah hey liz why don't you ask well we got david in here and then i know sam had a quick point to
make about durham but liz i know you wanted to wanted to ask David Wilcox a question that you specifically
had for him. David, thank you so much for coming in. I've been watching you on Ancient Aliens for
years. I actually was watching the show today. I had it on in the background. So no, it's so good
to meet you on an X space. And earlier today, we were talking about- I'm very honored for your
invitation, Liz.
Thank you so much.
Oh, yes.
Well, thanks for, you know, reaching out and joining me.
I feel like I'm standing among giants and I'm just I'm incredibly honored and humbled to be here.
Oh, I don't want to flap my gums too much or sound egotistical.
I just the point of the talk is Epstein survivors speak out.
And that was what I wanted to redirect us to. That's all. Right. And, and so, you know, I really appreciate you
coming in here and you, you, you were DMing me earlier today about how there's being, how there's,
there's disclosure on dumbs. And, you know, I want to know if you had any insight because
Juliet has talked about when she was at Jeffrey Epstein's New Mexico ranch, the Zorro ranch. And, you know,
she was drugged at one point and she woke up in this facility that she believes could be underground.
And, you know, now there's disclosure on, you know, underground bases,
dumps, military facilities. And it's been my strong opinion based off of my research that Jeffrey Epstein had underground facilities at the New Mexico ranch and at the island and possibly his other homes as well.
And, you know, considering the area that his home was in in New Mexico, I just was interested in wondering, like, what's your opinion on that?
And, you know, I know a lot of these children are trafficked through underground means, tunnels and facilities. And I'm just curious to know what your two cents is on how that ties to Epstein.
And if he did have underground facilities at his homes or access to them.
I'm honored to be asked a question.
The deep underground military.
Can I button and just say David versus Goliath?
You say that you're not against giants while David killed Goliath.
You're darn right.
And then I chopped his fucking head.
Exactly.
There we go.
Sorry to button.
Thank you, David.
Well, I was going to ask you a question, Juliet, but I'll take a quick swing at this first.
I've been actively involved in paranormal research since I had an awakening in 1992,
where I found out that my best buddy's college physics professor said that NASA knows that UFOs
have crashed here. They know that they've reverse engineered the technology. They found different types of beings inside.
They know that those beings do not live in our solar system.
They're external to the solar system in many cases.
So yeah, I was at the Disclosure Project event in 2001 with Dr. Steven Greer.
There was 39 insiders that spoke there. These are people who in many cases
have need-to-know clearance above the level of the President of the United States.
And I am just so encouraged by this incredible development of Tucker Carlson having Catherine
Austin Fitz on his program. I don't know if you guys are all seeing this. I know I am. It's just gone
wildly viral. It's like all of a sudden people are prepped enough that they say, hey,
maybe this is true. Maybe there actually is classified weird stuff going on.
Maybe you should go back and look at this company called Boliden. Boliden has been making underground tunnel drilling machines
for decades. And they can go fast. They can do miles a day. So if they've got all these Boliden
machines around the world drilling miles a day of underground tunnels, then how much do you think
they've built if this stuff has been going on? I mean, we know even in the early 20th century, there were underground train systems.
And they had them in all these cities.
And then all of a sudden, the underground systems get shut down.
Yep, including in LA.
Most people don't even know that, but there was an underground train.
And Vegas.
They have a full-on underground stuff in Vegas that the lawn talks about all the time.
Oh, yeah.
So, clearly, we also, as I'm sure everybody here is going to immediately know,
the blueprints for the Playboy Mansion underground tunnels were found in the house.
And here's Hugh Hefner, and he's got a tunnel that goes to Jack Nicholson,
and he's got a tunnel that goes to Jack Nicholson, and he's got a tunnel that goes to James Kahn.
And it's like, what the hell?
Why don't they just, I mean, LA traffic sucks.
Don't get me wrong, but why don't you just drive to somebody's house?
What the hell do you need to build all this stuff underground for?
So, yeah, it's a very fascinating subject,
and I don't want to take up all the time here.
I'm probably going to have to do something on Deep Underground Bases on my YouTube show just because it's such a huge subject.
Come into my space, get your research, and we can talk about that in spaces because that's how they traffic and move people is through underground tunnels. I know someone who drives trucks,
long haul trucks, who's been there and they're huge cities. They're not like just tunnels from
one place to another. Those dumbs are a hundred percent really real and they're a hundred ground
cities. So yeah, you get it together. We can do a space. That would be awesome. No, I'm tired of being alone.
And that's one of the problems that happens when we're doing this work is that you, and you talked about this before, Trump Frog,
if people are working with you and you have to deal with these relationships, people oftentimes get jealous of speakers like us. They get competitive. They
betray you. They steal your money. You find out later on that they were working against you
somehow or that they were leaking your information to somebody that you didn't want to know about it.
So I'm really glad that we have this community here. Again, thank you, Liz, so much for inviting me on the show.
I'll just say a couple more things about DUMs, and then I want to ask Juliette a very important question that I'm really dying to know the answer to what she's going to say.
But first, let me just tag off that subject because it's so important.
I went to the Disclosure Project event in 2001 after being on Coast to Coast AM with Art Bell, which is the nation's largest nighttime talk radio program.
And that's what got me in with press credentials.
So that's how far back this goes for me.
I was doing that.
I was at that event, 39 insiders.
I got to meet them in person.
People claiming that they handled crashed extraterrestrial materials, disks, technology.
People that had direct experience with deep underground military bases.
I'm very familiar with what Castro often fits talked about with Richard Souter and his testimony.
She mentioned Rich Dolan.
He and I have done television shows together, conferences together.
television shows together, conferences together. So yeah, I have spoken to multiple insiders
who shared their confidentiality with me and their trust with me and revealed that this is a vast
underground infrastructure. I heard, she said something like 170 bases based on her knowledge.
bases based on her knowledge. I heard 270. And one of the things that I heard that was very
fascinating is that these bases are built to look like you're above the ground. So you think that
you're under, you think, well, okay, there's a few things that are a little off. First of all,
let's just set out the stage.
There's a weird piece of physics that most people don't know, which is the honeycomb
earth.
And apparently if you go below the earth one to five miles down, you have a honeycomb like
structure of these cavities that are 20 to 50 miles wide, and they're all over the planet.
And if you go in there, one of the strange things that life does,
life wants to create life wherever it can. So in these underground areas, if they're natural and
if you haven't disrupted them, there are going to be all these creatures that look like your
infamous Marianna Trench, you know, clear or white-colored tube worms and crabs and shrimp and all this kind of stuff,
you'll have those types of life forms in there indigenously. There's mushrooms, there's weird
crustaceans, and for some reason, life has decided to make it so that they can, there's enough light
in there that they can see. So on the roofs of these domes, these natural cavities
in the earth that are 20 to 50 miles wide, you have bioluminescent bacteria, and they actually
make visible light. So you can actually, it's not very much, but you can go in there and you can
actually look around and you can see without any other lights. Like Avatar. Right. And there's a lot of stuff that's
based on that. Avatar, in fact, that's a kind of a distraction, but there's been many, many UFOs
that crashed on Earth, according to multiple insiders I've spoken to. And Ecuador has a UFO
crash where it created some type of biome around itself. So you go into this cave, there's
a UFO in there, and there's all this life around the cave that looks like what you see in Avatar.
They based it on that. And I heard this from like at least four different insiders that they took
Neil Armstrong down there, they took Buzz Aldrin down there. One of the things that they reward
you with if you're going to keep your mouth shut is Ecuador. And then the other one is Antarctica because there's some amazing
stuff in Antarctica. But anyway, just to make this short, I'm not trying to take up everybody's time,
but it is a very fascinating subject I'm passionate about. You're actually saving a lot of our time
by sharing your research. Thank you so much, David. Well, I'm very honored.
Katie, carry in space.
Keep going.
And my heart reaches out to you when I hear you talking about these things.
There's nothing I'm more passionate about on earth than saving these children and saving
these people.
And this is like the dream team.
So I'm just incredibly honored to be here.
Thank you all so much.
But let's get down.
Thank you, sir.
Thank you, buddy.
David, keep going.
David, keep going.
I could listen to you all night.
I could listen to you forever.
David, I can listen to you forever
and I'm going to have to DM you all the time,
not because you're so fascinating to me.
But what David is talking about, I just want people to understand it.
It ties into Jeffrey Epstein, you know,
I was getting there. Okay. Sorry. I won't talk to you.
I'm waiting for the question still, but David has so much more to say first,
but everyone's got, I'm so sorry.
Well, I'm using, i'm using radio narration technique to
make my voice interesting by constantly varying the way i use pitch and inflection and rhythm and
tone it's a lot more interesting you know you the death of every public speaker is college
professor voice hypnosis simple hypnosis keep going david or just passion or just true passion
I'm trying to put a quilt
thank you yeah right
that's true man true passion will cause
that performance to naturally come out
in a positively
radio narrator style
and it's when people are bored and they
lack that passion that they get into these repetitive
patterns that's absolutely true
like many people on X that are really fake and phony they drown their way through it and act like they
care when they don't and you can call me a bad guy but i'm being 100 honest brother i have a
whole issue too the same thing you were talking about i kept hitting that 100 100 100 like dude he's right these people it drives me nuts because everybody cares about
being popular i care about the fucking kids i care about exposing the truth and i'm a person
that studies character passion and patterns and if you flip-flop and you go back and forth and
you worry about if somebody likes you or not you you're not being true to yourself. I don't give a shit if you like me. I've got a career and a job.
My job is not X. My job is doing what I do and my passion is saving kids. I've been doing it for
two and a half years. I've been very consistent. I have two and a half years of recorded spaces
that talk exactly about that. I don't care about anything else. And I truly mean that. So I
found Liz, I found Sun Tzu, Kelly, my co-host and Stellar, my co-host and some other people. That's
all we talk about. That's all we care about. Anything else is garbage to me. Garbage.
Right. I mean, I've had literally an embarrassment of riches of celebrity and fame. I've been on Ancient Aliens. It runs all day, Friday, Saturday on History Channel,
all over the world. Now they're running it most of the week.
Everywhere I go, people go, David, David, David.
I was the number one speaker in UFOs, still am basically,
did all these conferences from like 2008 to 2019, so like 11 years,
where I have like 400 people in line, and they come up and they hug me and they start crying and they tell me I changed your life
and I'm the reason they didn't kill themselves. And you know what? I was able to walk away from
all that. I don't need my ego to be fed. I don't need people telling me they like me. I don't need
to be doing an audience. I don't need to be on stage.
You know, I'm happy to live a quiet life out here in the mountains alone with firewood and my dog and a whole lot of nothing going on.
You're like me, David.
You should be up one day.
You do it for humanity.
I've seen some of your videos and they blew me away.
And I, yeah, so I do have that question that I want to hand the microphone back to you.
Well, first, can I ask you a question before you ask me a question?
Because you did work on ancient aliens.
What do you know about RH negative, the bloodline?
So that's a very interesting and complex subject.
That's a very interesting and complex subject.
One of the original fascinating points of inquiry that I went into deals with the subject, which is near and dear to you guys in South Africa, of the elongated skull mystery, right?
You got these skulls that have a brain capacity.
They look like an elongated eggplant or something.
I've got an elongated skull, actually.
Right.
But I wasn't born here.
Well, I was born here, but my family are English.
But you're talking about the first African mother, apparently, who's apparently the mother of everyone on Earth.
Right.
Or are you talking about the Egyptians?
Okay.
There was another guy who was a Clinton insider and he ran cocaine through
Arkansas for the Clintons.
And he told me that they put chemical markers in the cocaine that they make,
which would be the company, you know, the three letter agency.
Yeah.
They can drug dealers.
Sorry.
They test the cocaine.
They test the cocaine.
And if it doesn't have these chemical markers that says where it was manufactured, when
it was manufactured, who manufactured it, those are the people they go arrest.
So they have no competition for this drug business.
And so it's pretty scary that people using cocaine, in addition to its disgusting hazards, as it would be just as a chemical.
They're also putting these chemical tags in there, too.
But anyway, this guy.
Well, apparently they put cyanide and vitamins.
You know, people trying to be healthier are getting poison, too, apparently.
Oh, that's another whole
subject we could talk about which is multiple insiders i've i knew a guy who was the top hit
man for the rothschilds okay uncle jack he talks like this man he comes from queensland
and he told me every i've had several people tell me this, they call it the weapon system. Companies like
Archer Daniels Midland, 1996, you had on the Tower of Power radio show, apparently four whistleblowers
came forward from Archer Daniels Midland and they said that they specifically designed wheat
to be addictive, to take these T1, T2, T3, T4 hormones that your thyroid is supposed to take
to give you energy. And there's a wheat protein in the wheat that they engineered called gliadin.
And it plugs up your thyroid so you don't have any energy. And you just get fatter and fatter
the more of this stuff you eat. It's refined sugar. Exactly. It's high-priced corn syrup.
It's monosodium glutamate, which they call spices or they call natural flavor.
From the Chinese, MST.
Give them bread and games, as Moriantonet said, or one of them said.
Give them bread and games.
Cigarettes, the whole darn thing.
It's not tobacco.
It's a paper made from 200 chemicals that they caramel color and shred it up. It's not tobacco. It's a paper made from 200 chemicals that they caramel color and shred
it up. It's freaking crazy. They have deployed these weapon systems. Oatmeal is completely
dangerous. You really shouldn't eat carbs at all. They're poisoning us all, even through
scent. It's horrific what they do to people people now we're finding out that they're apparently
putting out toxic materials aerosols in the in the cities they have these buildings that just
crank out these gas fumes that are poisoning the cities it's at the 5g oh my god why did
all these people start dropping over dead in the middle of covet at the beginning in china
yeah turn your wi-fi off at night everyone when you go. Yeah, turn your Wi-Fi off at night, everyone.
When you go to sleep, you turn your Wi-Fi off.
It's a flick of a switch.
So there is a complex cabal of people who genuinely want to see the population of the Earth
reduced according to the guidelines of the Georgia Guidestones,
keep 500 million people in harmony with nature.
You know, it's like, that's what they're about.
And all that shit ties back to Ted Turner.
He was in Atlanta, Georgia.
You know, the guy that did the RC Christian,
the guy that did the Georgia Guidestones.
Exactly.
Exactly.
David, what do you know about magic?
And how they burned the books, the bonfire, the vanities.
They burned the witches in 1430s and they burnt books in 1497.
What do you know about that?
Well, I was going to get back to the deep underground,
but that is actually the question I wanted to ask you, Virginia.
I'm sorry, not Virginia.
I'm thinking about our lovely...
You know, my mother's name is Virginia as well.
That's why it hits me even harder in the heart with this whole thing.
My mother's name is Virginia. Yeah. Juliet's why it hits me even harder in the heart with this whole thing. My mother's name is Virginia.
Yeah.
Juliette, that was a question I wanted to ask you.
So I learned about this UFO stuff for many years,
but then what it eventually turned into,
and people were telling me this all along, including the Clinton guy.
I was mentioning the Clinton guy that did the cocaine trafficking.
And he would say, David, you know, they're summoning demons.
And I'm like, come on, you expect me to believe that people are dressing up in these fucking
costumes and they're putting their masks on. It's possession. Ave satanas, ave satanas,
hail Satan, all this shit. And that they see something when they do this bullshit. I, so for
many, many, many years, I wouldn't believe it.
And all these different people kept telling me, yeah, the reason why they do this is because it
works. And it wasn't until September 2021 that I got this briefing and it's like, damn, okay.
So I went back to my original source material. I read a book. You can go to Savali Speaks, S-V-A-L-I-S-P-E-A-K-S.wordpress.com.
I interviewed her too.
Back in like 2001, I spoke to this lady.
And she said that the real secret of the Illuminati is the visible manifestation of the demonic.
is the visible manifestation of the demonic.
And she specifically delineated in her testimony
that when you are in these satanic ritual magic ceremonies
and people are in a circle and they're drinking blood
as somebody is dying,
that they start to have what you could consider
to be demonic hallucinations,
that somehow the demonic is essentially a genre of life that's in the universe, it's a spiritual
form of life that requires, most of the time, some type of psychedelic enhancement for people
to be able to cross through the veils of the universe and see into these parallel realities
where these lower astral beings exist. So Juliet, the thing that
you touched on it, and I also saw you do a video about it, and this was several months ago,
I think a lot of people would probably be prone to either laugh at you or ignore this,
but you mentioned Jeffrey Epstein's face shape-shifting. And you know what? I used to
laugh at that stuff.
I was one of those people. Oh, come on. But then you go back and read Savali, and what you find
out is that, yep, these people are messing around with demons. They're messing around with the devil.
And as my insider said, it doesn't matter if you believe it or not. They absolutely believe it,
and it's as serious as a heart attack. So what I think we're going to have to deal with as a society is the manifestation of understanding from disclosure, from the alliance, from the Trump administration, as the arrests happen, as we learn the truth.
This is not a joke.
So could you please describe what you saw?
I'd like to get a more forensic description of any encounter that
you had. Number one, with the weird facial thing. Number two, do you have any idea why
the Epstein Island Temple, why are people saying that's satanic? You got a blue strip and a white
strip back and forth going up. There's a gold dome at the top. Could you talk about what you saw
happen to Jeffrey's face and any other clues that you could piece together from your own personal whistleblower
experience that you encountered anything satanic? You're talking about the Ellen DeGeneres.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, that too.
Thank you so much, David. It's a deep question. And, you know, like I said, I did see him turn into something. I want to be lie detected on it. Unfortunately, no one has lie detected me. But it's what I saw. I've never seen anyone else turn into that. I only saw it happen once.
Did it have vertical pupils?
His head went like bigger and he had big black eyes and it was like dark green, like black and brown.
He definitely looked like the devil.
Because from what I've seen, like there's a picture of Abraham Lincoln with a creature that looks, that's the best thing I can match to what I saw.
Abraham Lincoln?
Yeah, there's a, I'll share it on the group now.
Yeah, there's a picture of him.
It's probably something that someone's made, you know, but.
Oh, okay.
It's not that he looked like Abraham Lincoln.
It was some.
No, he didn't look like, no, there's a photo, there's a picture of Abraham Lincoln with a
extraterrestrial, you know, and that's the best thing I can explain to what i saw because it was like
i'm not the usual sort of reptilian thing that people draw like a human sort of reptile it was
the head grew the eyes were black how much larger did the head get than what you would have said
probably like um three times the size three or four times three times oh yeah of
the normal and the eyes turned jet black you said that yeah jet black and then i saw like a mouth
with a big tongue hanging out and then i saw like the horns and they were like ridges
well like ridges it wasn't like actual horns it was was ridges within the frame that appeared as horns.
Could you explain?
I want to get back to that.
But forensically, could you explain the context?
Was there anything that you guys were talking about or what was going on when it happened?
He was orgasming or something when it happened.
It was when he had me in the bedroom.
Orgasming.
It was when he had me in the bedroom when it happened.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, it was during that time.
Right.
Yeah, and it frightened me so badly, and I just sort of looked away,
and then thank God when I look back at him, it was him again.
But the weird thing is that I never looked at him after this
and actually thought, why did this happen?
You know, it's just something that sort of sat in my head.
You know what I mean?
Well, the orgasm is the portal that goes into these other realities.
That's what they're doing with their sex magic.
That's why they call the anus is called the eye of horse.
He used to always shower after he took me in the bedroom as well.
And I was never taken in the main bedroom i was taken into a side bedroom i only realized this recently because of
a drone shot because also i always wondered why was his bedroom so small and dark but he had
another big bedroom with a big balcony that i never saw I was taken into a side bedroom and, um, yeah, he always used to,
used to shower afterwards. And then that's what we also saw with, and he used to force orgasms
from girls. Well, for me, I don't know if he did that. He used to like put a horrible, like
vibrating machine, like a back massaging thing, like trying to like force me to orgasm.
And it was horrible well these demons
apparently feed on human sexual orgasmic energy you know you know i did do a little research into
sex magic and stuff like that and this is something very peculiar with it all i don't know
you know i don't know more but well my point is i believe that what is occurring you know because
again i used to think this was all BS.
And I hate to say it because I've been exposed to the information for like 17 years before I was willing to take it seriously.
But I got to just say that the vision of you with Epstein is just so horrific.
I'm so sorry that that happened to you.
It's just disgusting and insane.
It's insane that you saw that. Is there any idea that you
might've been high or drunk or something? No, they didn't allow any alcohol there.
No alcohol there. I mean, if I was on anything, they would have spiked me. I wouldn't have known
about it. There was no alcohol, no drugs. you didn't feel intoxicated either, right?
No, I didn't.
Okay.
So at the moment that this is happening, did you feel, did the room get colder?
Did you smell anything?
Was there anything like that going on?
Okay, so his bedroom was always ice cold.
It was always, whenever I was taken into that room, it was ice cold.
They always, it was always freezing in there.
And the times I did smell weird stuff is when,
there was often a weird, when I went to New Mexico,
I mean, okay, okay, it was two times when I smelled weird stuff.
When I was doing the modeling casting in Cape Town and Bill Clinton walked into the other room.
Really?
Him and Epstein were like sharing a hotel suite.
I smelled a very horrible weird smell come out there.
But it was like covered with like cleaning chemicals.
But I told my friend about it and she said it sounds like it was like a dead body, because it was like feces and urine, and also at the New Mexico government's mansion.
Yeah, there's like a smut of disgustingness covered with healing chemicals.
And I smelt that also at the governor of the New Mexico's mansion, Bill Richardson, because Epstein took me.
Really? of the New Mexico's mansion, Bill Richardson, because Epstein took me and another victim,
Tila Davies, there,
and introduced us to Bill Richardson
and the vice prime minister,
and they shook our hands,
and then they went in a room and had a meeting.
And the only two times I ever smelt
that putrid, horrible smell was there
and at the hotel where Epstein and Clinton were staying.
For reference, Bill Richardson was the secular estate for Barack Obama.
So people are not aware.
That's why it's important to talk about the political side of things.
No doubt.
So did this smell have any prosaic explanation?
Was there like a rotten mouse in the room or something like that?
Or did it seem to just kind of emanate from something?
No, the place was immaculate and perfect.
Okay.
All the places.
I've only smelled the smell twice.
And I smelled it strongly and it was horrible.
Right.
But I didn't really realize what it was until, you know, like years later.
I just thought it was like a smell of like presidents or something.
But, you know, years later, my friend said to me, Juliet, this sounds like it was the smell of dead bodies.
Yeah, it's called a witness.
It's part of how the demonic can telepathically influence your senses.
So you had a visual sighting of this shape-shifting.
You get a smell.
You might get a strange sound.
You might get a foreboding pressure in your chest.
You might get this temperature feeling that the room got cold.
Did you ever get the room suddenly get cold?
Well, I mean, his bedroom was always freezing.
Right. But I do know what you're saying because there was one time where you know i've had a few times where my drink's actually been almost
poisoned and i just know it immediately oh and i get out of there like it happened with epstein
with one of his assistants i went out with her in new york and i my drink was poison I was very very sick good god and then um yeah and then um
I was supposed to go on an airplane with him and scientists and serve drinks but I got sent home
quickly but I don't know what they were doing like um yeah um I don't know I just what about
clairaudient phenomena did you ever hear like um hissing or whispering or strange groaning, grunting noises or animal noises or anything like that?
From Epstein.
Well, I'm just saying like stuff that seems like it's a hallucination.
Well, yeah, it could be the person too, because sometimes a demonic embodies people And they begin making demonic sounds
That can happen
No, I didn't hear any sounds from him
Okay
Like that
Well, actually, do you know what?
Actually, you're right
Oh my god, you're so right
When he orgasmed, he used to make a weird screeching sound
There you go
Yes, it was like so weird
Guess where he learned that from
Yeah, you're right sorry i block
things like this out because this is too much well it's make a weird like squealing sound
right and ezra just recently posted the the podesta video again you know the skippy
and you know so when these people are exposed to these demons in these ritual ceremonies, the demons can't speak, but they make these screechy, horrible animal noises.
And then the victims or the perpetrators who are involved in all this, they will start to emulate the noises that they hear as part of their perversion.
So, yeah, you did have that.
It's interesting.
I just dragged something out of you.
That's good. I mean, this is stuff that people are going to have to learn. That's the problem.
It's like, right now, we have a very secular society, and people don't understand,
you know, the Catholic Church and their whole thing about exorcism.
That isn't just something somebody made up.
Yeah. And, you know, like you've made a very important point earlier is that, you know,
I think you said this, it doesn't matter what you believe or if you believe it at all, like they believe it. And like one thing we know with a hundred percent certainty,
and this was covered in the Podesta emails, is that they do, they are involved in satanic rituals.
They are involved in occult rituals, spirit cooking. You know, Bill Clinton had made in his own book that he went to
Haiti for his honeymoon with Hillary and they engaged in voodoo. So they are definitely involved
in, you know, magic, black magic rituals, drinking blood, finger chrome, all that stuff that's been
proven. And a lot of it's been proven from their own mouth and their own email.
Liz, Liz, think about this.
Why would they do it if it doesn't work?
Exactly.
Well, actually, let me add something here.
You know, Dracula was a real person.
He's directly related to King Charles, as they call him.
King Charles has homes in Transylvania.
He considers it his second home.
Well, yeah, the Vlad the Impaler stuff is totally crazy.
He must have been worse than the demise.
The guy used to drink blood.
Right.
And, you know, Charles is his heir.
So, hello.
Same thing with Rasputin.
The Royal Family.
What the hell was going on with Rasputin?
Yeah, Vlad was real.
I'm so sick of these people going like
that dude that came in. A Dreaming
Home is not real. There's an
actual scientific formula
that it's real. If you
say that, you're a Teletubby loser.
They've been cannibals
through centuries.
They've always been cannibals.
How can they lie about it?
And many of these elites openly admit that they're cannibals.
Like, they will come out and say that they've eaten human meat or they will eat human meat.
Like Chrissy Teigen said on a freaking talk show.
And then you have someone like Armie Hammer who's, like, DMing girls he's dating, telling them he literally wants to find a surgeon to remove their rib surgically so he could then barbecue it and frickin eat it.
So like like you don't have to believe me.
Believe them.
They talk about this crap all the time.
And again, it's in the emails.
What is spirit cooking?
It's a ritual.
It involves blood, involves semen and breast milk.
And, you know, like these people are just so sick beyond belief.
And well, yeah, you got the you got the hillary frazzledrip
video right where she supposedly cuts the face off and then goes in for the pineal gland and i'm and
i'm a bad guy because i say when someone says that adrenochrome is not real look it up there's a
formula for it they actually make epi pens that are dried adrenochrome. So if anyone
says that, I think everything else they say is not
real.
Child sacrifice has been happening through centuries. There are many art depictions from
thousands of years ago with children being sacrificed.
So when that fag...
Get to spread out of Mexico and go to the Mayan temples and ruins.
I tell you the whole history of human sacrifices.
Hold on. Let me just say this.
When that fag goes, oh, I'm a bad guy because I said that,
I think you're a bad person for coming in
and spazzing out about something that's 100% real.
Remember, AD-20.
I've been doing this a long time.
I'm not new.
I've been on X since 2000, what, maybe 16, 17?
I left after 2021 when we all got wiped because of General Flynn
because he was following me and I was following him.
But I'm telling you for a fact, use discernment. If
you're a Teletubby guy and your whole platform is built on Teletubby, you are, and you come
in and do that and you spaz out. I've been running spaces for a long time, for two plus
years. I see you glow like a motherfucker. And I just have to say it. Because people like MJ Truth is a balanced guy.
People like Alpha Warrior, balanced guy.
But there are people that are really concerned about controlling the narrative.
And I don't care.
You don't even have to like me.
But facts are facts.
History proves that Vlad the Impaler was related to, like Elizabeth said, right?
I mean, Juliet said.
These things are historical facts.
Elizabeth is a lizard birth.
No, Juliet, my apologies.
No, no, no, no, no.
But my father wants to call me Elizabeth, so you, you know.
But my apologies.
Yeah, you're quite right.
You know, they're directly related to that man, and that man drank blood.
Yes, this happens on spaces all the time.
People come in and try to blow up a space, but I will tell you right now, I probably
am more informed than I share in what you're saying.
You better have proof proof because a lot
of telegram people are phonies.
MJ Truth came in and told Truth.
He should have a microphone. He's very
balanced like Alpha Warrior.
I like people like that, like Sam
and like Ben and like Liz.
Hey, Jump Frog, can I just
chime in on the Adrien thing?
I just had to say that. That really bothered
me. Yeah, thank you that really bothered me yeah thank you
yeah it bothered me too he's never in our space before and the first thing he does is come in and
just like you know oh well if i can't talk now then i'm getting the fuck out of here okay fine
get the fuck out of here yeah yeah so um that statement uh it's categorically false and anybody
can look inside the uh the purple pill right now. There's PubMed documentation on it.
So those are, you know, those are government documentation, you know, on adrenochrome.
So the NIH tested the effects of adrenochrome on humans in a synthetic form.
So holy crap.
It's right there in the pill.
What is purple pill and that's
why they go after brown and hispanic people because the let me say it really quick that's
why they go after brown and hispanic people because their melanin in their blood is thicker
than white people's blood so that dude is completely discredited.
I don't care.
He can go fuck himself and come and find me, bro.
Can you guys see that?
I run the pond.
Your social profile will be ruined
because that was the dumbest shit I've ever heard.
That Ryan guy is a clown.
Can you guys see that?
It's in the pill, but there's a lot of posts.
There's a link to a PubMed article, and it talks about the synthetic form.
And there's a ton of them.
You can search for it on PubMed.
Oh, dang.
Adrenochrome.
There's a synthetic form.
Peter Nightguard and all those ghastly men trying to ask.
Hold on.
Hold on.
Let me finish, darling.
Sorry. form he's an eye god and all those ghastly men trying to hold on hold on let me finish darling sorry so it if there's a synthetic form then you know there's a more potent form and you know that's it's uh you know that right that's what we all know uh how they get it from yeah that's what
the epi pens are they created a synthetic form of adrenochrome through EpiPens.
So people that don't know that, and that guy that came in,
I wouldn't listen to a word he says because he came to shut down a real conversation.
And I'm tired of these people.
Come and find me.
I will start running my space and just invite those people.
And let's have an informed, educated discussion.
Because I promise you, you will not win that discussion.
Facts over feelings or facts over narrative with that guy.
Clown.
That was the clown circus.
I want to add this in because this is the way I always fight this war and it might help you.
We know that the body naturally produces dimethyltryptamine. We know from the work of Dr. Rick Strassman, who has a
book called DMT, the spirit molecule, that the pineal gland is the main source of that DMT.
We also know that DMT is naturally secreted by the body when the body knows it's dying.
And so when you get like a shock, like if you almost fall off your bicycle and you,
oh my God, my life flash in front of my eyes, that's because you got a DMT hit, dude.
So if you get somebody's DMT flowing and then you drink their blood,
you're going to ingest DMT that's going to get you high.
There it is.
Boom.
Yeah. And it's just simple
science.
That's right.
They lie to us about everything.
And something else, the Hollywood elites brag about it
in their films. It was in A Clockwork Orange
and I believe was it
Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas.
Jack Nicholson.
You know, and this was like these are
films from decades ago like pre-2000 you know hunter s thompson wrote about adrenocom i'm like
you know so whatever they show you the same thing in naked lunch although in that movie
it's centipedes but it's the same idea you're seeing the demonic manifest once you ingest
these psychedelics i think that monsters Monsters, Inc. 2.
I haven't seen it.
Oh, yeah.
The big Adrena Cum as well.
And that's a Disney movie.
That's a cartoon, I believe.
Definitely geared for children.
Disclosure.
100%.
They create fear with those children.
It's a soft disclosure.
100%.
Good call, Liz. In the Bible, they say it's drinking soft disclosure a hundred percent good call
that's in the bible they say it's drinking from the cup of abomination yes that's what they call it
and it goes all the way back to the you know i mean the elongated skull people
you look at pictures of like the egyptian pharaohs the the Hebrew priests. South America. Mexico.
Going back to Epstein's temple.
Epstein's temple is similar to the pharaoh queens.
That's what the whole point of the Golden Dome is.
Yeah.
So South America, they found a bunch of skulls.
Look at the Temple of Doom.
The crystal skulls, they're trying to tell you because they have to tell you.
Karmic retribution says they have to tell you what's happening.
If you buy into it, you're accepting it.
So watch the Temple of Doom with the crystal skulls.
You can see it.
That's all Mexico and South America.
And it was that show that launched Ancient Aliens.
Ancient Aliens was made to promote that
movie that's how it started dude amen yeah ancient aliens had a whole episode on the crystal skull
one of my favorite episodes me too me too and by the way it's great to meet you david i sent you a
follow and i'll tell you i do not follow people to follow them like MJ and Shadow and other people.
If your shit is good, I will follow you because I really don't care.
I honestly care about truth.
If you don't like me, I really don't care.
I care about the kids.
I care about the truth.
But I do think politics and everything that I was saying, and Juliet, that's what I was saying when I was steering the conversation.
and Juliet, that's what I was saying
when I was steering their conversation.
When they're going after Russia, Russia, Russia,
that opens the door to the crimes of trafficking in Haiti
and the adrenochrome and harvesting children
with Laura Salsby and those people.
That lady is from Albany, Oregon.
I'm from Oregon.
I'm very passionate about that.
All of this stuff ties together. Sometimes the root has to come together to tell the story.
So you need to let them know because they're also tied to, MJ said, NXIVM. No one ever talks
about NXIVM. I did a space on that that ties the bronfmans they're from israel they're
from the maldives they live in canada uranium one please tell everyone what nexium is so nexium was
an elite human trafficking ring that was using child trafficking across international borders
and it was funded by the bronfmans, who were Israelis from the Maldives.
And that asshole was burning his initials into everybody's truck.
They funded the Clintons.
They funded NXIVM.
They probably are funding Epstein.
All of those people are all connected,
and no one ever talks about it
because most researchers on X
are very limited to what people talk about
instead of people
like MJ and Liz and Mike Croft.
You know why?
Real truth people.
It's because these evil people are in the media.
Of course.
I've never had a chance to be interviewed by the media.
Of course they do.
The one time I did an interview with the BBC,
they cut Clinton's name out.
And you know why they told me?
They said they cut it out
because it took away from the emotional impact.
My cousin was a speaker
for a very independent, democratic guy, right?
And it's funny to find out
that that dude turned out to be the same person
as everybody else. And I was,
uh, like Mormons, you know, removed from my family, uh, communication stream because I
called that person out and I'm going to post that dude's name, but it's so funny to me
because he became the speaker of Nancy Gregoire of Washington State.
He became governor.
So you were raised Mormon.
Because, I mean, that's actually a very interesting thing to look into
is like religions and how they, you know, I think
the Mormon culture is probably one of the better ones, to be honest.
The top levels of Mormonism have all the same symbols and rituals as Freemasonry.
So I was very non-religious.
2002, I converted to Jesus Christ completely.
And then from 2021 or 2020, COVID, I started reading the Bible verbatim. And then I
realized none of these people tell the truth. They've messed with the Bible. It doesn't matter.
I will read the same to the Virgin as much as I can. And I'm smart enough to extrapolate, right?
Of course, they've canonical, they've removed stuff like the Book of Enoch.
But Genesis already talks about there were giants before the flood and after.
The Repolans.
People slide religion and say, oh, well, they removed books and they've done all this.
Faith is in the spirit of the heart.
They murdered them and then they burnt the books.
Yes, but faith is in the spirit of the heart, right? Because it then they burnt the books. And then they rewrote history. Yes, but faith is in the spirit
of the heart, right?
Because it's his story.
History is his story.
Right.
Where is his story?
Where is our story?
Our story is this.
There is always truth
And we're making our story, you know.
in the middle.
So, Juliet,
there is truth always in the middle.
So if I read King James and I read other versions of the Bible,
and I've read my Bible five times from front to back since 2020.
I've never read a Bible, but I'm glad you did.
You should.
The truth is in the middle.
Well, it's a living God.
Don't forget it's a living God.
The truth is in the middle.
I believe in Jesus.
I don't believe in any old God religion.
Is God a man? That's what I any old guy religion. Is God a man?
That's what I want to know.
Why is God a man?
God should be above having a sex or a name.
He's not a man.
God is a being.
You just said he.
Jesus was a man.
You just said he is not a man.
No, hold on, hold on.
Now you're being literal.
I'm sorry.
No, no, no.
I'm just saying everyone makes a mistake.
Sorry.
And Jesus is very proven in even Islam.
Jesus is real.
They recognize him.
By the way, Judaism doesn't recognize Jesus.
The Black Dine is real.
It's the Holy Grail.
It's the Da Vinci Code.
The Da Vinci Code.
Hold on, hold on.
Mary Magdalene.
I want to make something really real in this space right now.
Judaism does not recognize Jesus.
Catholicism does not promote Jesus.
They promote idol worship and Mary Magdalene.
I don't care if you're Catholic or not.
You do you, boo-boo.
Why is Mary Magdalene idol worship?
There are two religions on this earth.
Mary Magdalene was Jesus' counterpart.
Nope.
So let me reset the space real quick.
There's no woman in here.
Let me reset the space real quick. There's no woman in the app. Let Ben reset the space.
Let me reset the space.
Seven way not talked for a long time.
Yeah, we got a lot of questions and people that want to interact.
I mean, it's a great conversation.
So if you could repost it.
I wanted to go to Sam, my brother, real quick, and then Ann Vanderstil as well,
because it's going to tie back to Bondi and to some of those issues there.
So go ahead, Sam.
Good evening, everybody.
I hope everybody can hear me all right.
Hey, thanks for coming.
Boo, Sam, boo.
Hey, buddy.
How are you?
Been involved, man I miss you, bro
Hey, thanks, Juliet
Hey, Lizios
By the way, I call Liz Lizios
Because, I mean, she doesn't want people to know this
But she really is that account we used to see
Entheos
So, yeah, yeah.
That's, yeah.
Secret's out now.
Inside Intel.
Yeah, but Julia, hey, I thank you so much for coming on here and being so brave.
Like Liz said, you are in a safe space, and we are here to support you, and we love you, and thank you.
Thank you for being brave.
And I really just wanted to point out something.
I know that people say, let's be patient with Bondi.
Let's be patient.
Well, let's be patient.
And, hey, I get it.
I get it.
I was a criminal prosecutor for almost three years.
It takes time to build a case to find, you know, to build
your evidence, to investigate
people, to
do that sort of thing.
But the point I want to make is
alright, let's go back to Epstein.
He was first arrested.
His first arrest in Florida was
I believe in 2008.
Yeah.
It was actually before that. It was even before 2006, I think. But you're Yeah. It was actually before that.
It was even before 2006, I think.
But you're right.
He was arrested.
Yeah.
But you're right.
They were after him before that.
Sorry, Sam.
Exactly.
Thank you for coming on.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so way before the 2019 arrests,
so he was arrested in Florida way before the 2019 arrests. So he was arrested in Florida way before the 2019 arrests for sex charges.
He was a sexual offender, early 2000s.
And then the federal charges for the whole Epstein Island stuff, that came in 2019.
Pam Bondi, who was the attorney general for, guess where?
Florida.
Uh-oh.
From 2011 to 2019.
So this is, and I was talking to Ann earlier, Ann Vanderstile, who's a wonderful person,
a wonderful journalist.
She's in here.
But yeah, I was talking to her about Pam Bondi's slow walking stuff. Ann Vanderstile is a wonderful person, a wonderful journalist. She's in here.
But, yeah, I was talking to her about Pam Bondi's slow walking stuff and basically, I mean, not doing anything.
And, folks, I get it.
You know, it takes time to build a case.
But, like, she's just – she doesn't have the guts.
There, I said it.
Because, I mean, look, she had the time, all the evidence.
She did. There's no way she didn't have the evidence from 20.
Well, I don't know what from 2011 to 2019 as attorney of general, Florida on Epstein, who committed these acts in Florida, or at least substantial portion of these acts took place in Florida.
It sounds like she's been paid off.
Exactly.
Was Epstein arrested between 2017 and 2021?
He was arrested on the federal charges.
Yes.
Never charged.
Hear me out.
Hear me out, though.
Hold on.
Yeah, exactly.
So, hear me out.
So, he was arrested on the federal charges in 2019. All right. Those were the what? The Epstein Island charges. All right. But all this time, Pam Bondi, as attorney general, she could have charged him on state state crimes under the dual sovereignty doctrine. In fact, she's been on the job for years, and they're trying to say, oh, suddenly she's doing it, but she could have done it from years ago.
As the state attorney general.
What is this woman doing is what we want to know.
Exactly.
And I'm tired of people giving her a pass because she could have, especially, and that's what pissed me off so much on this Epstein Files issue, because she was privy to this information way before we are where we are now.
So back in 2011 to 2019 as Attorney General of Florida.
And again, you can prosecute someone for the same offense, for the same crimes.
If you're a talented prosecutor can ask you a question
yeah yeah go ahead please just let me ask so if you had a case and you were doing a rico case
and you were setting up a bigger case than just arresting one person and there are a bunch of
people involved would you go ahead and play your hand early,
or would you build your case?
Or do you just wait for all the victims to get killed,
is the question.
You wait for all the victims to die.
Juliet, let me ask.
I'm going somewhere, I promise.
Yeah.
Sorry, sorry.
This is what I do for a living.
I'm asking a question for a reason.
No, that's a good question. Would you ask her to arrest someone right now,
or would you be building a case to arrest a bunch of people?
Because remember, I'm sure I have not seen you post about Kash Patel
talking about the Rico Russia, Russia, Russia case, right?
So if you are a smart prosecutor wouldn't you kind of
make sure that every i was crossed every t was crossed when you as a smart prosecutor
walk into a courtroom and i'm sorry uh for ann van der steel I know she's really passionate about this too, which I don't care
if she likes me or not. I follow her and she, you know, whatever. But my point is, if you're going
to take a case in front of a judge who's not going to hear it because they're a biased and
confirmed judge, wouldn't you want to make sure you have enough information
as far as
the bigger picture,
not the picture that we want?
Because I want that. I want
Jelaine Maxwell to get
the death penalty. I don't
want her to go to jail for 30 years.
We don't want anyone being killed. We want them reformed.
Anyway, where is
San Bobby's statement on Virginia Gosses' death?
Hold on.
Let me finish.
My bad.
I want real justice.
I want her buried under a jail for a lifetime.
Okay?
I don't want anything to ever have someone get anything going.
But if you go all in and you say, we've got something but we don't have everything
and you take it to all these fake phony judges and most of them are political judges you're not
going to get what you want dude it's been six weeks for right tell hold on it's been three
weeks for bongino She's not being stopped.
You're the actual prosecutor.
You have to have a real case, bro.
But she's the prosecutor.
She's had, Mark, she's the one who makes these decisions.
They are the investigative agency.
So can then, hold on.
The prosecutor brings it to her.
Let me ask, because I know you're passionate.
I love you, bro.
But she can bring a case.
But if the judge says no,
which we watched over and over and over again,
does that work in their favor?
So hold on.
Before you answer,
there is a class action civil lawsuit,
a RICO case for Russia, Russia, Russia,
which Kash Patel has admitted on multiple podcasts.
So they got to be really close, right? So now they have the border closed from San Diego
to El Paso that's armed by the military. Now you have executive orders that Trump just signed, 14159, that make sure the
military supersedes the police when they bring real cases that they can't interfere. Don't you
think things have to happen first? Like if I want to fire an employee, I need a case, a real case for legal reasons. And I employ people and I have someone
I want to fire. Legally, I have to have things in my way to not have something blow back on me.
Don't you think some of that, we're talking six weeks and three weeks for something that's 2,000 years old. It's biblical.
It is not a small case of what's going on.
I want it tomorrow.
All I'm saying is that here's the thing.
First and foremost, the biggest point I'm making is that Bondi could have charged him
and her back when she was Attorney General, understatement.
What did you get thrown out by those judges?
Well, you got a better chance.
No, look at your governor right now.
You got state judges, brother.
Your governor of Florida is dirty.
Where is Bondi's statement about Virginia Gaffer?
It's what I'd like to know.
Where is her statement and where is Elon Musk's statement?
They promised to release the list and then the main victim dies. Where is her statement and where is elon musk's statement they promise to release the
list and then the main victim dies where is exactly exactly and pam bondy plays this oh
all these files they were withholding all these files and this evidence from us
bullshit she was freaking attorney journal for florida from 2011 while guess who was living in Florida
and executing these crimes
during that time period
while she was attorney general.
And so this is not news to her.
She's been privy to this.
My point being
is that she could have brought
state-level charges.
And that's totally different.
While the federal government,
they're more than welcome
to still bring their separate and distinct federal charges for the same criminal offenses. So my
point being is that Pam Bondi didn't do anything back then. She's not doing anything now. And
this whole, everything about Epstein, there's no surprises to her. Let's be honest. She's had it
all. But Sam, look at Alex Acosta. His hand was forced
because he was told literally that Jeffrey Epstein was an asset to intelligence. So
like he had no choice, but to give him a sweetheart deal. Like there's so always someone above them
that gets the call or gives them the call and then it gets blocked. Who's above Pam Bondi AG of Florida?
Who was above her?
Yeah. I don't know.
Maybe the CIA. God. I guess God.
You know? Yeah.
There you go.
She didn't have anybody above her.
That's the way the world's going.
There's my point.
She didn't have anybody on this earth above her as Attorney General of Florida.
We agree with you, but until she has the FBI director and people underneath her and judges out of the way, they've tried this.
You do realize Donald Trump was.
She hasn't tried a damn thing.
Hold on.
Donald Trump was attacked by the FBI, the DOJ
and the CIA
it went nowhere
the reason is because you have to move
you're a
prosecutor and you're probably smarter
than me
we can do things differently in the state
but here's the thing
that was federal but we can do things differently at the state. Well, basically they're supposed to care. They're supposed to care about the case.
That was federal, but we can do things differently at the state level.
Yeah, but then federal will shut it down.
Do you get my point?
No, no, no. That's a whole separate issue.
But we, here in the
Great Santa Clara...
Your governor sucks.
Your governor...
Well, the governor couldn't have done it.
Well, no, no, here's the thing.
The governor could.
Hold on, hold on.
Hold on.
As soon as you recognize him and his wife are crooks, then you're going to figure out.
I know, but he doesn't control the attorney general.
Look at Thomas Passy.
I know. Mark, you're missing.
This is not a political fight.
This is a fight for lies.
But, Mark, the attorney general of Florida does not answer to the Florida governor.
That's the beauty of it.
It doesn't matter.
Stop it.
Politics is very big.
What I'm saying is it doesn't matter
what the Attorney General wants to do.
If they don't get support,
they're not going to get it.
You've got to clean the world.
You don't need support.
You just need to do the right thing
She's a coward
Pam Bondi's a coward
She's a coward
What you're saying is that you don't support Donald Trump
Right?
No I do, of course I do
I just think Pam Bondi's a coward
Let's see what Ann has to say on this
Then we need to move to some more hands
Because we have a ton of people that want to speak.
But that was a good debate.
Ann, what are your thoughts on this and tying it back into what Julia was talking about?
So awesome space.
Thanks for dragging me in here.
I think it's really cool.
And I think everybody's comments have a lot of valid points.
And this is to Sam and I talking about Bondi, you know, living in Florida.
I've just seen her do stuff that was shady.
And, you know, it goes back like Alan Dershowitz, obviously getting accused by Giuffre as being somebody who was involved with Epstein.
But you have to remember Pam Bondi benefited from the support of people like Dershowitz and people that were in Epstein's defense.
And, you know, Dershowitz was always trying to, you know, basically cut down, make fun of, discredit any of the victim's credibility.
So and he was very involved in Epstein's case.
And so Bondi accepted money.
I think it was like 2014 or 13 or 12.
I don't know.
She expected expected a big
donation um from here we go everyone listening here sorry thank you so much ann oh yeah everyone
must listen to what i'm saying thank you ann yeah she accepted a pretty big donation from trump's
foundation about the same time that her office decided to remember turned down that whole to
pursue any
charges against the Trump University Florida thing whether you think that was good bad or
indifferent they had a relationship and while that wasn't tied to Epstein it shows that there is
you know some kind of potential influence by high-profile donors etc and since Epstein was
socially connected to like a lot of you know he remember he was a
member at mar-a-lago and uh that's where he met virginia dufray so you have people that are in
those same circles you know again this is just swampy politics right i mean unfortunately this
is how sausage is made he drove me past mar-a-lago and he told me he was friends with trump but i
never met trump with the money thing but i'm and I'm not accusing Trump of being involved in Epstein.
Yeah, he said he was friends with Trump.
But I mean, like you said, these people are all friends, you know?
Yeah.
I mean, look, when you're that high oligarchical Epstein, you know, high oligarchical Epstein,
you know, financial status, I mean, that's just the way it is.
It's like the lesser of two evils.
They all come in the same pond, right?
This is, you know, Epstein's world, it's Trump's world.
But Trump said he's going to drain the swamp. I mean, the pond.
I believe he's going to. I believe he's trying to. But just remember, Bondi's campaign fundraising,
it came from where? The wealthy Palm Beach Networks. And that's, I mean, I've seen it in
action. And a lot of these people back then had ties to Epstein, good, bad, or indifferent. They
did. And there is no public
record at all anywhere. In fact, check me on this, but I don't think she ever recused herself
from any interest. Like if there was any decisions at all that were made that could intersect any of
the donor interests regarding Epstein, she didn't step away from that. So, you know, she just had,
there's a lot of interesting intersection with her. And then, of course, one of the things that really upset me with her was her lack of participation or taking up for the guardians, the seniors that had guardianship, their guardianships were liquidated, you know, the guardianships would steal everything from the seniors.
did nothing about. So you got to wonder like, where was her integrity on some of this stuff?
And I'm not saying again, to your point, definitely. Is there a recipe for RICO action here?
Abso-freaking-lutely. Are you making a good point? There's Ghislaine Maxwell. Her case
is a monster case. She's what's serving, I don't know, what was it? 20 year prison sentence or
something like that. You got the Virginia, a US Virgin Islands lawsuit. There's still, I don't know, what was it, 20 year prison sentence or something like that. You got the Virginia, a U.S. Virgin Islands lawsuit. There's still, I think, a bunch of unsealed court docs
on this and then all the civil stuff. So you have a mix of things that can come together for a RICO
charge, which absolutely sets the, you know, the framework of the landscape for what you're
talking about with respect to a RICO case. And perhaps maybe she has to be silent. But if she's
going to be silent, they really dropped the football on day one when she comes out with the, I've got the Epstein file
sitting on my desk. And then, you know, it's a big nothing burger. It's the same black book we've
all had. And then Tom Fitton has to FOIA for it after she said, well, I'm getting it all from,
you know, the FBI truckloads. And FOIA is like, where's the stuff? And she doesn't even respond.
So they really fumbled the football and it just leaves a lot more questions. And if this is no offense, Ben, if this is Sun Tzu, the art of appearing weak,
when you're strongest, it's like Keystone Cops and it looks bad. I'd rather they just say nothing
at all than look stupid. So that's kind of where I'm at. I see the case for a potential RICO coming
and there's more to come. So I want to extend the grace. But as a civic duty minded individual who believes
that Americans need to engage, and that's what I'm about. That's why I stepped away from daily shows
to actually get involved in the process and get people to send notices and affidavits and
understand how common law works. I believe it's my civic duty to call this out and ask the questions.
And people may not like the question because they may think I'm doubting Trump. That's their
interpretation. They should come and ask me, do you doubt Trump? I'm going to say no. I'm just putting pressure because I'm
demanding as a person, as a people that has funded taxes, I want my money's worth now. I mean,
we've all been through hell and we worked our asses off to get Trump back in office.
I think people want results and I think we deserve them at this point, as does Trump,
as does all the victims. Juliet, you at the front of the line.
So that's where I see all this, and I land the plane there.
And you don't doubt Trump.
You doubt the system.
Yeah, of course. Trump has also got to play a part of the system.
I'm sure he has many things clamping down on him.
You know, one never wants to judge anyone.
But, I mean, he definitely seems to be a better president than the last ones.
You know, don't forget, I was kidnapped by the Democrats.
You know, coming from South Africa, I don't understand much about American politics.
And, you know, Juliette, I don't have words to say for you and what you and others have suffered.
Nothing I can say to offer condolence will come
close. So all I can say is remark about how brave you are to be here talking about this in a
rational format. If that was me, I'd be probably in a padded cell somewhere in a white suit.
No, you wouldn't be. You're a strong woman. I know you are.
Well, I don't know because I haven't been there. So I can't even pretend to comment on that.
Well, the thing is, many of us have been abused, actually.
You know, and that's why I want to stand up and speak out not for just Epstein survivors, for all survivors.
Because a lot of people are abused in life.
And that's what I want to fight against.
You know, before they kidnapped me, I wanted to be a psychologist.
You know, I want to help people somehow.
Not, you know.
And anyway, I really, really hope that things come right.
It's just been very, very frightening, everything going on with so many victims being found dead, going back to Virginia.
I know Virginia would also want us to bring the conversation to all topics. I know she was that kind of person. She was very brave.
She wanted these topics to be targeted.
But there have been too many Epstein victims who died suspiciously.
You're brave too, Juliet. You're a brave soul yourself as well.
I think everyone on this group is brave.
Everyone who's listening is brave.
Absolutely. And even if we might have some disagreements and stuff, you know, at least we can all come together and say, you know what, we want to unite and we want to save the children without the, you know, fear of being rejected in terms of fame and stuff, because the truth hurts. You know, David said this earlier, you know, this isn't easy stuff to come by and accept,
you know, it's going to take a slow process of awakening.
And that goes back to really what Trump Frog was emphasizing.
You know, this is an ancient Illuminati cult that has been involved in some of the most
anus acts against children possible.
We're talking Moloch worship for, sake. And it's going to have to come out slow. And another thing I wanted to
add here too, when it comes to just the overall sting operation that I would argue President Trump
is running, he is also putting these influencers out in the open so people can see
them for who they are. And that's honestly one angle that I don't know. You know, you guys are
welcome to disagree with me. We can hear each other out. You know, we can be civil. But Trump
was putting these influencers out in the open so people could see who they are and see what frauds
they are. Just how Trump did with fauci there's that one image
of where trump is looking in the background and fauci real angry even though on video he might
have been acting like you know oh i you know this is my friend and stuff but you know you have to
keep your friends you know you have to keep your enemies closer than your friends, as they say. My cat turd.
He called out cat turds specifically.
You've got two million followers, but you're not my friend.
You're not my friend at all.
You built your profile on me.
Well said, sir.
Yeah, I agree with Nathan because Trump does do that a lot where he puts a spotlight on people that aren't necessarily good.
And he does it to expose them.
And let's just say that all those people, you know, that showed up at the White House and did the little photo shoot with the binders.
I mean, they got a lot of slack for it and they were a lot of them were exposed.
exposed. So it wasn't necessarily a bad thing in that respect, because these people that are in
this for the wrong reasons, or they're using it for selfish reasons, or they're in this to,
you know, control the narratives gatekeep, you know, or put out controlled opposition,
these people all do need to be exposed. So there is that. And thank you, Nathan, for coming in and bringing that, you know, angle up.
Absolutely, Liz. And thank you. Thank you. And Trump Frog and everyone else for putting your
opinions out there. And, you know, we can have our little disagreements. I loved how civil,
you know, you were Sam and you were Trump frog. That's just the beauty of this moment. You know, we're not infiltrators. We're not any of that.
We're not here to, you know, steal each other's reputation or, you know, interfere with each other's, you know, personalities whatsoever.
We're just here to be a team. And at the end of the day, it's about saving the children and standing up for survivors like Juliet.
it's about saving the children and standing up for survivors like Juliet.
I'd like to toss something in again just for 30 seconds, which is Pam Bondi has publicly stated
that they have over a thousand FBI agents working as late hours into the night as they can,
and that they're surveying 14,000 terabytes worth of data that was obtained from Epstein.
So in my view, it's excruciating, but we're waiting for them to package the data for public consumption.
That's how I see it.
David, thank you. That's awesome to hear.
Ezra posted that, man. I learned it from him.
Well, and something is that, you know, Trump said that he she said that she was, you know, following Trump's instructions and his orders.
And Trump has said President Trump has said that he has been happy with her.
been happy with her. So, you know, I understand the concerns with her and now, you know, there is
a sense of urgency here because of what happened with Virginia G. Frey. And we want to protect
the survivors and the whistleblowers and the people that have been exposing this. So now there
is more of a sense of urgency and Julia is a hundred percent right. I mean, she should have
at least come out with some kind of a statement, a comment. And I'm actually very disappointed that
that hasn't happened yet. But with that being said, according to what she says and President
Trump says, she's just following his orders and doing what he's telling her to do. And if that's
the truth, then she's doing her job. And President Trump seems to be happy with her work so far.
Now, is that true or is that not true?
Maybe he's just saying that for optics.
I don't know.
But as of now, he seems to be happy and content with her.
So I'm just going to take that as at face value before I pass judgment.
Yeah, it feels like some people got really excited.
They wanted to share the information and they got reeled back.
Hold on.
We need to wait for this info to come out.
So people like Juliet, I completely understand why you want it to happen fast.
But if you can't get rid of the people blocking justice, and we're learning now that justice is blocked on so many levels, that it's going to take more time.
And we've had, what, two judges.
We've had how many Democrats say they're retiring.
It can only go so fast.
That's all.
And if you do it half-assed, they're just going to kill you.
Like, these people fight dirty.
They fight any dirty way they can.
They can drive your car. If you got a car newer in 2006,
they can just drive you off the road. Yeah. I've got a couple of friends that were with the Trump
campaign that work in Washington, DC. Right. And they're learning how dirty it is and how much
they hate them. And they're on their own. They work with Doge. Right? Right. So it's got to take time because you've got to clean and literally join the swamp.
Literally in D.C. and the judges.
You can't say, okay, we've got proof.
And the judge goes, no, we're not going to hear that.
And something else that they have to also keep in mind is that the public can only handle and
consume and disseminate so much information at a time i i don't think it would be in the best
interest of everyone to just release everything at once i think that read my mind yeah you have
to release it at phases if look people would not be able to handle learning the full truth about epstein
pizzagate the cloning like the adrenochrome they would not be able to handle all that once which
i do believe it has to come in phases and i do believe there is an operation at the scenes that's
making sure that happens because if it didn't happen that way the majority of the population
would have a mental breakdown and would have PTSD just from reading the information.
Explosure takes time. It really does.
Because you have to understand, most people don't even know what we know.
How many people know what, you know,
the people that are speaking right now really know what's going on?
That's a fact.
And you can follow somebody and you can say, you know what,
Shadow knows or Liz knows or, you know, Sun Tzu knows or Sam knows.
The fact is you need to wake up the masses.
And if you don't, you're going to create a lot more problems
than you're going to create a lot more problems than you're going to create solutions.
Facts.
You know, it's...
Most people are stuck on the hamster wheel of life.
You can go ahead, Julia.
Oh, no, no.
I'm sorry I cut off my battery died on my phone.
You know, story of life.
But most people are stuck on the hamster wheel of life.
They don't have enough time to do the research that a lot of us are afforded to do.
And that's why we have to share what we have time to, you know, find.
And we need to share with others.
Most people come home from work, they're exhausted.
You know, it's not easy for people.
So we have to share the knowledge that we have time to gain.
And everyone shares it together.
It's like a big puzzle.
Everyone shares their piece of knowledge, because we don't all have time to look into things.
And that's what's the most valuable thing in life, is time.
You've got to be aware of who you follow, because there are a lot of people that are age 20 people,
of who you follow because there are a lot of people that are age 20 people that their livelihood
depends on being paid to share information that doesn't benefit the masses well the truth is
discernment tells you okay someone's telling me the truth i'm going to pay attention right
so it's difficult it's not going to be as fast as we want.
You're very right.
I'm urgent right now. I want it right now. That doesn't mean that the facts are going to come
out right now. I'm with Sam. I want it now, but I guarantee you somebody's telling them, you can say what you can say, and you can't say what we know is true, because it doesn't benefit the bigger picture.
Well, even X is supposed to be a free platform, you know, a free speech platform.
But I've seen a few things on here that are quite incorrect.
And I've also been blocked multitudinous times.
They've taken away my accounts many times.
So it is more of a free speech platform than a place like TikTok. TikTok, I post a video, I'm
blocked within a day. They cut me off. I can't speak on TikTok.
You're telling the truth. You're sourced information, right?
TikTok has no time for me.
For an anon, you're source information.
You're telling what you experienced.
The problem is there's a bunch of people from Telegram.
I call them Teleshubbies.
They come on here.
They have a platform that pays them a bunch of money.
And they have to tell their own story.
We witnessed it today.
Oh, so Adrenrien Chrome is not real?
You are completely discredited for making that statement.
Everything you said and everything you've ever posted is garbage from that point forward.
And that's the way I work.
And I will be honest, in business, it's the same way.
I will be honest, in business it's the same way.
If you're going to sit there and you're going to do your little 10%
of your not-truth to promote your message,
it's all garbage because the truth matters.
Well, people that come to discredit others have nothing valuable to say.
They must contribute something valuable instead of trying to discredit
what others have said.
If they want to discredit it, they must say something worthwhile that actually discredits it properly.
They can't just jump in and say, oh, it's not true.
They need to give us actual evidence of it.
Exactly.
Yeah.
And I'm considered a bad guy because i will call out call out some for doing that but
truth is facts really matter and when people report truth whether it's you know chinese
people on the kenyan border or what you're talking about it's truth truth prevails
and our biggest border issue is not Mexico, it's China.
It's on the northern border.
And people don't talk about that.
Anne talked about that.
I've talked about it in spaces for two years.
I know since 2017, but people shut me down.
But guess what?
Okay, we got still a ton uh speakers that have questions and people that
want to speak let's go to nacho what's up and let's try to keep it less than 60 seconds if we
can and we'll let our guests uh address any questions you may have that way we can move to
some more speakers and uh try to get through because a lot of people have a lot of things they want to say. Go ahead, Nacho. What's up, man?
Hey, man. Thanks for having me on.
I just want to say thank you so much for the Epstein Witness.
You have given so many hope for coming forward and really just kind of confirming a lot of the research that we've done.
really just kind of confirming a lot of the research that we've done.
I've posted a couple of links in the chat to sort of reinforce my research on adrenochrome.
In fact, I would highly recommend, there's a book called The Key to Immortality,
which goes into the Ellusian Mysteries, and I highly recommend everyone read it.
Thank you very much.
Yeah, thank you so much, Chancho, for that.
I appreciate that.
I appreciate being brief.
After we take question two,
we'll probably have to drop
because we do have a lot of people.
Introspect, what's up, man?
Well, I'll bring you up here in a second.
I'm sorry a silent majority
how you doing man hey how's everybody doing great space man good intel good information
um i got a quick question and uh i also wanted to say uh real quick to juliet thank you for the
courage to come up here and speak to everybody because
all of us in these spaces we uh we're learning from each other and and for you to come up here
and and and and have the courage to speak out we really appreciate that I got a question though
on something else and I wanted to ask Liz this because she's on it is next week diddy trial
is that coming up what do we think is going to come out next week Diddy trial? Is that coming up?
What do we think is going to come out with the Diddy trial coming up?
I don't know, Ben.
Is it still scheduled for next week?
It was supposed to be delayed, and then it was reported that it was delayed, and then it was reported it wasn't delayed.
I don't know.
I'm not sure.
I haven't looked at the status of that.
It's a good question. We can find out.
Well, I just wanted to ask that real quick. And then the last thing I got real quick, Trump Frog's absolutely right when he's talking about the time that we have to be patient with.
Because if they go arrest somebody and don't have all their ducks in a row, especially these local judges, these judges are horrendous.
We all know that.
Look at what the judges are doing to Trump.
Look at what they're trying to do.
These woke-ass judges trying to debunk everything the President of the United States is trying to do.
Think what would happen with an Epstein file.
I mean, it's just common sense.
So anyway, good points, Trump. I just wanted to point that out. And I'm done. Thank you
for letting me up. May 20th
is when the
Diddy trial comes up. By the way,
it's all related. Everything we're
talking about is all related.
That's the point. You can't try
Diddy without talking about Epstein
or Naxxam or anything else, period.
Yeah.
I would like to go back to the last question about the fountain of youth, about water.
Yeah, go for it, Julius.
No, well, there was someone asking actually a very valid question about the fountain of youth.
And, you know, we all are water.
We're born 78% water, 21% oxygen, 1% nitrogen.
You know, over the years we've been water lessons.
But you know how they say that Jesus turned water into wine.
Maybe he didn't make it into wine.
Maybe he just changed the vibration of the water.
That when people drank the water, they felt like they were drinking wine. Maybe he didn't make it into wine. Maybe he just changed the vibration of the water. When people drank the water, they felt like they were drinking wine.
Control the water, control the people. That person's question
was very valid. But I know it's off-topic in a lot of other people's
contexts, but I've been looking into things like this and I
very much believe in it. Jesus turned wine into water,
Moses parted at the seas.
These guys were controlling water.
We are all water.
Control the water, control the people.
So it also comes down to like, you know, my mum's always been into spirituality.
We've got to tell ourselves that we're feeling good.
You know, the water in our bodies listens to what we're saying.
Like they've done experiments with plants where you tell a plant i hate you i hate you and the plant dies and you tell another plant i love you i love you and the plant grows
so um sorry if this is a bit off topic but it's that's true we're all water
yeah we're all water and control the water
control the people
and the fountain of youth is within us
absolutely
I'm gonna
I'm gonna drop Shadow of Ezra
and then re-add him
this thing's been so lucky
it still shows him co-hosting
for me but I think he got...
I don't know what happened, but I'm going to re-add him.
What's up, Liz Church Hill?
How you doing?
Oh, hey.
Thanks for inviting me up to speak.
How are you doing, Ben?
You know, trying to kick it trying to trying to survive another day i said i don't know if you
hear much we had julie julianne come on and she's one of the epstein uh victim survivors and uh
just incredible story uh we've had some really interesting uh interaction tonight, but it's been pretty wild.
What's going on?
Oh, not much.
I just came in here.
I missed a majority of that.
I apologize. I think this is absolutely wild that Virginia's lawyer has come out, right, and has stated that there's zero reason to believe that she committed suicide.
Is that correct? Well, she didn't say it like that, but one of her lawyers came out and did say
that they had concerns about her alleged suicide. And she was skeptical that it was a suicide
because the police were not being very forthcoming
and they were being very vague.
And she didn't also believe that Virginia Dufresne was suicidal,
which is backed up by the tweet that she posted in 2019.
That's crazy, Liz, truly.
Yeah, there's a lot of conflicting reports surrounding her alleged suicide.
There's a lot of things that don't add up, you know, and Juliet discussed earlier, and I don't
know if you probably weren't in here yet, but, you know, something that has me very concerned
and others in here is that, you know, Juliet used to talk to her all the time. And a couple of years
ago, she was cut off from talking to her directly and she
was told to communicate with Virginia through her husband and her husband allegedly according to
some friends and family members of Virginia was physically abusive with her and they allegedly
split up over two years ago and there's been a custody battle with the kid the fact that she's been cut off from her friends like juliet going back two years ago the only way
she could communicate with people like juliet was through her husband that allegedly is abusive
is very concerning to me so there's a lot of red flags like that. Hi, Liz. Liz Squared.
We've got two Liz's.
Hi, Liz.
Thank you for coming on
because Virginia and I
were also represented
by the same lawyer.
And it's a lovely speech to you.
Thank you for being here.
But, you know,
we were both represented
by the boys' firm,
as was Sarah Ransom, Maria Farmer.
I used to be in touch with all these girls, and everyone's sort of gone quiet on me.
I think it's so complicated, right?
Because you're in a situation where you know that the legal fees are going to be unbelievable.
And again, it's not a coincidence that you have the same person, right?
That comes along. Well, they did a pro bono for the first case and the next one they took like a
percentage apparently and everything. But, you know, there are also more lawsuits going on where
I've had other lawyers trying to get me to sign documents. You know, like the Merson firm and the Marsh firm,
they say that they're going to be suing the FBI.
But I saw a hidden clause in the contract where victims will be liable
for 7% of the fees regardless of the outcome.
Oh, wow.
So I didn't feel comfortable signing it.
So I don't know what exactly is going on.
And, you know, there's just a lot of, it's just been horrible.
And with Virginia dying, it's been fucking heartbreaking.
Sorry to swear.
But there are times when it's necessary.
You know, it's been heartbreaking with everything that's gone on.
And I've been hoping, you know, people said witness protection
and I was hoping that, but after thinking about it more, you know, someone who went into witness
protection, it would be a lot more like a clean thing, like, okay, well, you know, we're not clean,
but you know, someone dies and that's that. But there was too much, she was crying out for help,
is what is clear. Unless the media is trying to mess with everyone's
heads because, you know, anything's possible at this point. But it's just been... And also,
where's Elon Musk's statement on Virginia's death? Where's Pam Bondi's statement on Virginia's
death? You know, they're supposed to be providing the Epstein list. The main Epstein victim is dead.
And where is their statement on it?
And I'll leave it at that.
Let me ask you this.
Let me ask you this, Julianne, and then Liz can follow up.
What about the theory that perhaps Virginia is in witness protection?
Do you give any credence to that?
I was hoping that. But what i've realized is if they were
going to do that they would have just said oh there was a bus accident she's dead or they would
have said there was a suicide she's dead there was too much weird stuff going on in between for
it to be like you know and the the CIA wouldn't, you know,
they wouldn't work like that.
The people who do witness protection programs,
they would make it more obvious, you know, it wouldn't.
And also, like she said, that her husband had been abusing her
and her children had been taken away from her.
You know, they would have made it,
they wouldn't have complicated things like that, I don't think,
if it was Witness Protection Program.
Juliet, may I ask about how she ended up in the hospital,
the circumstances?
I believe she said a bus flew into her at 110 kilometers per hour.
So given those circumstances...
You know, I don't know more about that
because I haven't spoken to her in a while
and actually it's been terribly.
But, you know, a lot of people say that that photo of her,
she almost looks like she was already dead.
You know, the one...
Sorry, my little boy's woken up.
But, you know, the photo they put out of her almost looked like she was already dead.
And I haven't been able to get in touch with her for so long.
You know, I just don't know.
It's just been, like, really devastating because she was an amazing friend to me.
And, you know, two and a half years ago, we just lost contact.
And the same with Sarah Ransom.
Maria Farmer is the only victim from the boys' company who still is in touch with me.
She emails me, but I haven't heard her voice in seven months.
I don't mean to be insensitive, but when the picture came out, I think that was a lot of people's first impressions, that something seemed off with the picture.
And I know you said you haven't talked to her, but how do you feel about her family?
And they have come out and apparently made a statement that she committed suicide.
And as far as I know, maybe those details have come out already. I don't think they have.
But do we know how she supposedly committed suicide?
Well, you know, her father has actually raised questions,
and he wants everything investigated now.
Because I think she's been quite estranged from her family. She hasn't seen them in a while and they didn't sort of realise, you know,
what exactly has been going on.
Also, you know, if she was sent a psychiatrist,
she could have been put on pills.
You know, what I have heard is that she was on prescription pills
from the stress she's been through since Epstein.
And I can understand that, you know.
That's the story people are saying is that, you know,
there were prescription pills involved.
But, you know, I don't know any facts here.
And regardless of whether she killed herself or whether she was murdered,
they still killed her through the pain and suffering,
and also through bullying and just the horrible things she's gone through.
You know, it's not easy for a young woman who's been abused already as a young girl.
You know, she was already trafficked as a child.
I just, my heart just breaks for Virginia, to be honest. And her children, it's horrible, you know.
And I did actually email her husband's email,
and I just was sending them live, and I got sent back a heart.
So, you know, obviously, because, you know,
even though they're saying that he beat her up
or whatever happened along the way,
I don't think he was the main perpetrator here.
I mean, you know, obviously it seems like he wasn't very nice to her
and everything, but, you know, at the end of the day,
but can you blame him?
People go through tremendous stress when they go through things like this.
I can't even imagine what their families had to go through, actually.
Have there been – let me ask you this.
Have there been any successes with any of the attorneys that have actually gone after the Epstein estate on behalf of the victims?
I know, I guess it was maybe last year, late last year, mid last year, we had that big settlement between some of the victims and the Epstein estate out of New York Southern District.
And there was, I've talked to one particular victim who's Hope Beryl Green.
I don't know if you know her, but she was not happy about that settlement.
She was part of that class action and basically was trying to be strong-armed into prevent the discovery from really coming out that could have blown open this case even furthermore. the lawyers that supposedly represented these victims as a class and then obtained a settlement.
And I'm referring to the New York case. Do you have any thoughts on that?
Well, for instance, with the whole case against the Epstein estate, I was willing, I said, I don't care about the money.
I want to go forward as a lawsuit.
But then they told me that my lawsuit would be thrown out due to the statute of limitations.
But before this, they'd already given me a document asking for $100 million in damages, $50 million in emotional damages.
I've got the document to prove everything I'm saying.
Anyway, then they told me, you know, it'll be thrown out due to statute of limitations.
And then I was offered, the Epstein Fund offered me $900,000, which I was very, very grateful
for, of course, you know, very, very happy for the money. But the thing is, it was just like weird with the whole thing.
The lawyers were giving me contracts saying $100 million and all this stuff,
which was quite frightening for a young girl from Africa.
You know?
Well, that's – no, I didn't mean to interrupt.
Go ahead.
Go ahead.
No, no, no.
I'm just saying that, yeah, I could have gone ahead with a lawsuit, and I very much wanted to.
But I was very much advised not to by the lawyers because I told them I don't care about the money.
I just want these people brought to justice.
That's very interesting.
I mean, that's Hope's story, testimony as well. Hope Bar-Green's testimony. I don't know if you've met going to go along with a settlement, we can't represent you.
And then, of course, you're impacted by the statute of limitations.
And then when you have a lawyer drop you and you try to get another lawyer, I can tell you as a lawyer that it's a lot harder because lawyers just assume, well, why did they drop you in the first place? You must not be the type of client I want to represent. So it is somewhat a tactic that is used to really shut down and to
bring in victims to kind of keep them at bay. And so I was wondering if that
had been your experience. It sounds like maybe to some degree you had a similar experience.
That was such a good question, son. Thanks so much, because, you know, it's
the honest truth of what happened. And then
also with the J.P. Morgan lawsuit,
I wanted Brad Edwards to represent
me, but then the boys'
lawyers wouldn't give my file to him,
so they represented me for that one
also, which wasn't really fair
because I'd actually asked for another lawyer to
represent me, but you know, I was,
you know, what was I to
say? You know, these people are very
frightening and they have ways of, you know, silencing people because I really wanted to
go ahead with the lawsuit and they told me very strongly that it was not a good idea.
So I wasn't able to. It's a frustrating tactic that's used. And I've talked
to victims who've said the same thing and, and people often wonder, well, why don't you sue him?
Or why don't, you know, why doesn't a prosecutor bring it? And it's what my brother was saying
earlier about Bondi being attorney general in Florida. And I take a little different approach
than he does on, on Bondi,i, but it is a valid question.
And the reason they don't do it is because, number one, of your experience, you get strong-armed into
these positions. And number two, if you don't have an attorney general or a county prosecutor that's
willing to bring these actions, then what else do you do? What recourse do these victims have
against such a
powerful society of elite individuals? And that is one of the core problems we're facing and seeing,
and that's why we do, we're very hopeful and frustrated at the same time about what we're
seeing with the Trump administration and the DOJ. And I think MJ and Trump Frog had talked about it.
There is an element of time that it takes to corral the
evidence and documents and go through it. But if we're going to see something happen,
it needs to be soon because we got midterms coming up in 2026, and there's just a lot of
opposition to this. So the legal games are at play, but people don't realize, unless you're
on the inside as a victim and you're living the site, you don't realize the extent to how difficult it is being in this. And
it is not an easy thing. So I'm sorry you've experienced this. This is extremely frustrating
to hear. Thanks, son. Well, we're all in this. I mean, look at what happened with COVID, you know.
The world went upside down.
It hasn't been an easy time for anyone, really.
So thank you so much for caring, but I also care for everyone.
And let's just hope that more truth comes out, you know, with everything.
Because, I mean, with Virginia dying, it's just been horrific.
It's too much to cope with.
Like, where are the answers?
Where is the truth?
Where is the Epstein list?
That's what we want to know.
And actually, we don't need the list.
We want the files.
We want to know what they were doing.
We've already seen the list.
We know who went there.
We want to know what they were doing. We've already seen the list. We know who went there. We want to know what
they were doing. And the tapes too, including those as well at potential other locations like
Playboy Mansion and any other blackmail place as well. And you also got Tony Podesta's house as
well. Liz has covered this in her substack before,
but I don't know if you guys knew this or not,
but Tony Podesta actually had a toilet camera
where he would film his guests.
So did Epstein. Epstein had one too.
He did. He had a toilet camera as well.
Well, Epstein had a naked photograph of me printed
and put above his toilet.
Just to add insult to injury.
Disgusting.
One of his assistants sent me a picture of it.
Because he barged in the room one day.
Because he liked naked photos.
There were naked photos everywhere.
Anyway, sorry to bring that up.
Sorry.
No, that's an interesting point too, Nathan. I'm glad you did bring that.
Let's go to Allison. How's it going, Allison?
Oh, good. Good. This is a great space. Thank you so much.
Juliet, I, you know, just like Anne was saying, I cannot imagine what you have gone through, but the emotional turmoil and toil on you and on the country. that I hadn't really heard about. One is, well, you just talked about the witness program,
but is it possible that this is a takedown of the old guard that she could have been not really a witness program,
but really being protected by white hats?
Is that a possibility?
Because we don't know the cause of death,
and from what I
understand, what I read about it, they don't really know what happened to her. So I was
thinking that. And I was also thinking that Bondi, all of them, it's a new team in the halls of
justice. And this isn't just going to be a Bondi deal. It's going to be,
you know, the, the new team taking different pieces of it. I, I'm not a lawyer, but I'm just
imagining that it, you know, there'll be a lot of cross germination that is going on and that
and that they need to be able to coordinate and know what they're doing.
they need to be able to coordinate and know what they're doing. And like you say, have a tight,
And like you say, have a tight, tight case.
So I'm also out, you know, I believe that God is over all of this
and that, you know, for all of us, we don't really have a choice.
You know, I think it's good to keep the pressure on, though.
We do have a choice.
We do have free will.
We haven't fallen for the apple yet. Sorry, his, his legacy will
be measured by how this thing turns out. So I think that he has more invested in this in terms
of, you might say it's his ego, but it's, it's also his, you know, this is why he's in this.
I think he wants to go out with the legacy that really says that he cleaned up shop.
So I'm just holding on. I agree. Pam knows a lot about this guy from Florida days, but she's in
the federal arena now and we see how the whole federal judicial system is messed up. I have my
own case up there in a federal and they just dropped me no due process
anything you know so we have a bunch of uh rogue judges and so there's so many um pieces to this
thing that could go wrong and i i would appreciate him actually taking the time and making sure it's
it's good rather than rush and And, you know, like Americans,
we want to be gratified yesterday. So anyway, I love this conversation. Thank you, Sun Tzu,
for posting it again. Juliet, your big heart, my God bless you. And, you know, I just hope that
she's still alive. I think that, you know, they almost took her out. And is it a possibility that the White Hat said, boy, better swoop this one in before they do it for good?
That's my hope. Thanks. I actually like to look at things from all angles. And I know there's
some people in here that have been saying like, you know, this, you know, we don't think that
she could be in witness protection because this is a mess. It's so sloppy. But you know, what if it appears to be a complete mess and it's sloppy and there's all these
conflicting and contradicting reports because that's by design.
Like just to confuse everyone and fuck with our minds even further.
Exactly.
Because I mean, that's a possibility for sure. And I also want to say with Trump,
at least Trump doesn't fall off the bloody stage like Biden.
At least he can walk straight.
You know, that's a big step up.
Yeah, he doesn't fall down stairs and sniff kids at White House parties.
But yeah, it's better than Biden.
Yeah.
But the other thing I was thinking about too, Julia, is that I'm thinking about the
timeline when you, Virginia stopped communicating with you and it sounds like others as well.
And then people had to go through her husband. What if that was the beginning of her going to
witness protection? You know, I mean, we, like, I just will try to look at things from all angles
and I don't want to put out copium, but I also…
Well, maybe she was being sent to psychiatrists and put on pills then.
I don't know.
Yeah.
And also with not being able to get in touch with Sarah Ransom, thank goodness Maria Farmer emails me a lot, but I still haven't heard her voice.
And it's just not nice when you've been in touch with people and your friends and suddenly they all vanish, especially in like a situation like this.
You know, it's been very, very, very, very frightening.
And I even don't even I don't even like going out because I've had scary incidents happen.
I've had like vans following me.
Last time I went to the beach, I came back to my car.
My tire was flat and there was a man trying to offer to help.
You know, I'm a single mom and it's like yeah it's i i basically just don't need my house anymore um i and no one no
one would blame you For that either
I appreciate that, it was a good question
And by the way, after the questions
I do have to drop
Certain speakers just because
Free up some of the requests
Because we still have a lot of requests
Blue Ninja, what's up my friend?
I know you had your hand up there
No, yeah, I was being respectful
I didn't want to come in the room without saying hi to my
friends hey son hey uh trump frog uh good to see you mj liz and the other liz long time no see but
abistin is good to meet you it takes a lot of courage and thank you for coming up i mean we all been trying
to figure this thing out and i was actually watching dave x22 report i was kind of kicking
out when i came in here but i heard you come up and the thing that made me really come up and speak
up is sunzu mj i got an actual question for both of you uh both liz can chime in but i'm thinking
that the rogue judges if they get pulled out because we already seen judges get arrested
i think that could there be more judges pulled out and i'm sitting here watching, I'm listening to you guys, and I'm watching the S22, and he's talking about bringing up the border, the ICE.
ICE is going to be leading to the rogue judges.
And then I'm sitting there thinking, like, well, if we get,
and then he's also talking about Epstein files and everything else.
So now I'm sitting there thinking, now, Sun T sunzu mj you can correct me if i'm
wrong but it's we have to get rid of the rogue judges so that way they can turn around and do
a whole bunch of stuff and the whole entire thing everybody wants to see what happens with the
episteme files but then again if people are getting hurt or whatnot,
that shows that there's some progress in the investigation.
So I guess I'm just doing a little kicking out and thinking,
but no,
Juliet,
thank you for coming up.
I'm sorry.
The room is glitching.
Cause what you're saying is quite,
you're talking is quite great.
You're welcome, my friend.
You're talking about ICE and judges.
And, you know, Nostradamus predicted that these people will be dealt with.
And, you know, I was talking about the water earlier.
So ICE and judges, it sounds like these bad judges will be washed away.
Sorry, it might sound a bit weird and stuff, what I'm saying, but Nostradamus predicted that, you know, these people will be dealt with.
Sorry, it might sound a bit weird and stuff, what I'm saying.
Yeah, MJ, what are your thoughts on that, man?
Well, I think just like the other side does I think we're witnessing
kind of like a conditioning
right now the focus is on
all of these judges so just like
Blue Ninja said you know that
could be a possibility
and I think
I'm not sure who said it maybe it was Trump
but I
think they're working on trying to make it to where certain judges can't rule or steer away from any decisions that the Trump administration does federally.
So they would only stick to their districts.
you know all of these crimes you know involving Epstein in many states many
jurisdictions that could be a surefire way to roadblock you know President
Trump or you know whomever would be making these prosecutions if and when
they come so the judges are a problem like right now they're fucking protecting
criminal illegal aliens you don't think that they'll protect Epstein?
Yeah.
Yeah.
The lawyer that was supposed to be protecting us, I did a bit of research.
He went to university with Bill Clinton.
They were both at Yale around the same time.
They were both studying law.
Then you do. law.
Hey, am I the only one that cannot hear Julianne?
I can hear her.
Hey, Julianne, we lost you. So what we'll do give it a second if we still can't hear you drop and then come back in i'll re-add you as a speaker
um and uh mj did did you have any follow-up to that uh and then i'll make a comment on
blue ninja's thing if you did and i'll I'll try to get Julian back up here. happening, you know, to the point to where a decision is going to have to be made to wipe the slate clean somehow, or at least to rein in their power. Because President Trump,
as of right now, you know, every decision that he's making, it's being roadblocked by,
you know, these radical judges. So what I was saying is, you know, if and when we get to that
point with Epstein, and it involves so many different people, politicians, is, you know, if and when we get to that point with Epstein and it involves so many different people, politicians, just, you know, all kinds of kinds of jurisdictions, you know, they're going to throw up every single roadblock that they can.
I mean, right now we have politicians in Congress right now that, you know, are trying to block simple things like the, you know, like the flight log.
What's his name?
Dubin?
I can't think of his name.
Is it Dirk Durbin?
Durbin, yeah.
From Illinois.
Is he from Illinois?
Right now, they're all
trying to protect
either themselves
or someone else. So the judicial side, we know
right now, I mean, we can factually say, you know, that judicial side is just completely corrupt. So
we have to clean it up if we're, you know, hoping for some justice in any of this. And
I mean, what has been playing out for the last, you know, several years
and what I see happening over and over and over again, all you have to do is look back at the
precedent set and then the SCOTUS rulings following it. So I think that there's going to be a precedent
set with all of these rogue actions from these judges that will somehow, you know, in a roundabout way,
be beneficial towards, you know, when we get to the Epstein prosecutions.
So that's what I see, just precedents being set.
And, you know, we're going to be able to close those loopholes in order for us to take real meaningful action.
So, like I said, Sun Tzu, you are an attorney.
You see the judicial side, I'm sure, a lot.
So you could probably compound on those thoughts, man.
What do you think?
Yeah, and just, Julian, if you can hear me, I don't see even in the listeners section, but when I see you, maybe she's hopping back on, I'll re-add you.
I agree with you, MJ.
Here's what's an interesting play is look who the Trump administration immediately went to round up first, the cartel.
Tren de Agla or whatever, whatever.
You know, the Venezuelan mafia, basically.
Venezuelan cartel that came in here.
It's MS-13.
The foot soldiers of the deep state is what I like to call them.
Those guys got rounded up first.
Hundreds of them.
Those are the guys that carry out the hits on the whistleblowers,
the victims, the people that are coming out to speak.
And are involved in trafficking children, including the migrant children.
Probably. They're some of the main middlemen in trafficking these children and bringing them over the border.
So what's the first thing the Trump administration, the DOJ does,
and credit to Pam Bonney and Kash Patel, is start arresting them.
The next thing that happens is they then start going after the corrupt judiciary,
who's protecting these people in certain levels. That's why you see all those two judges arrested
recently. They're making a statement to the judiciary that you're not going to be let off
the hook. So they're going to start arresting these corrupt judges, arresting the corrupt
foot soldiers of the deep state. And they have to do that.
They have to remove these corrupt officials and corrupt foot soldiers to go after the big players.
Because once you start removing that, then they can't protect these big players, these elites that are at the top of the pecking order.
And that's what I think we're going to see to really free up.
That's at least what I believe we'll see and hopefully we'll see.
And it's hard to do it because you have to clear out the riffraff, you know, that are in the low, you know, kind of a reverse local action that General Flynn likes to talk about.
You know, all these Soros funded organizations.
Act Blue.
Yeah, exactly.
Sorry, son. No, no, you're good. There you are. You're back. I was listening. Clearing the swamp. Sorry, son.
No, no, you're good. There you are. You're back.
If you want to respond.
Thank you so much. I'm so sorry.
No, go ahead.
Well, clearing the swamp.
I mean, I don't know what more to say
other than we've been so
lied to. It's quite horrific.
You know,
they're not even interviewing Epstein victims in the media.
You know, Epstein victims are dying suspiciously.
You know, where is the Epstein story?
Like, they keep promising the list.
Sorry to go on about all that, but, you know, they keep promising it. Where is it?
And like you say, with these judges and the people in positions of power,
much like the lawyer who represented myself and other victims, David Boyes,
it just so happens that he was at Yale at the same time as Bill Clinton,
you know, the man I met Epstein with.
That's why they don't want Clinton's name in the media,
because they're friends.
You know, you've got Skull and Bone Society.
You know, I did a bit more research.
I mean, I don't know if it's true.
I've never seen anything like that,
but there's evidence online of the Skull and Bone Society.
And David Boyes and Bill Clinton were both studying law at Yale at the same time.
You know, do the maths.
You know?
Yes.
It's like, you know, there's even that movie from years ago, like Skull and Bones.
Yeah.
It's a real thing.
Yeah, George W. was in that as well.
They're all in it.
You know, Epstein used to say he was on the phone to Bush, actually.
He used to say, oh, I'm just on the phone to George Bush.
You know, he mentioned his name.
He said he was on the phone to George Bush a few times.
Senior or junior?
Did he specify which one?
I think it was probably the junior but i don't know
um it was like in 2002 that would have been when that would have been when junior was
was president 2002 that's when george well and he did have that weird painting of bush with the
with the paper plane and the two towers and all that hanging up close to the Bill Clinton painting on the blue Monica Lewinsky dress.
So, yeah.
They're all in bed together.
They made it very clear with their famous picture with Lady Gaga, the Miss Spear Cooking Queen herself, right?
Yeah, she likes the shapes of two, doesn't she?
So she says.
She likes what?
The articles where Lady Gaga says, I like to shapeshift.
Yeah, she has also, you know, pledged her allegiance to Lucifer.
And, you know, she has an alter ego like John Podesta does with his Skippy.
And she's heavily involved with the spirit cooking with Marina Abramovic.
And she's tied to Obama, the Clintons, the Bushes, and so on.
She's deep in it.
And another thing I wanted to mention is I'm in touch with Justin Bieber's bodyguard.
And he said to me, he hopes they catch these demons.
And he sent me a video on child trafficking.
Because I met them when they were in Cape Town.
I didn't meet Bieber, but I met his bodyguards.
And his bodyguards have very much told me that there's something, you know, we all know.
It's horrific, actually.
Wait, I'm sorry.
What did his bodyguard say?
That he hopes they catch these demons, you know,
because they know a lot more.
Well, and that's also another thing is on Epstein Island,
why were there no young boys, you know?
Because we know how these pedophiles
are into young girls and young boys there were no young boys on the island and that's what also
led me to believe that they were taking our eggs or something well you didn't see any young boys
but that doesn't mean that there weren't young boys there. And, you know, we do know that Bill Clinton was accused of raping a young boy and a child, an underage boy on a yacht years ago. And they allegedly took all his information to authorities. I believe it was the FBI.
And then the next thing you know, Jen Moore ends up dead in another suspicious death.
And this was allegedly sick.
And what about Kevin Spacey's accusers who were all found dead?
Yeah, there were multiple accusers found dead.
And then Kevin Spacey had all those like cryptic videos and that he did he did the
photo shoots with the pizza christmas whatever christmas one you know where he's playing you
know his house of cards character and he did the mug he held the mug with the royal family
something on it um it seems as if he was giving messages to them because it looks like he was highly
complicit is what it seems. Oh my gosh, she seems like a complete and total monster and
his own brother said that his dad was, you know, a Satanist and a pedophile and apparently a Nazi
as well. So this stuff is generational, unfortunately. Like Nicole Kidman.
Nicole Kidman's father also
was about to be had up.
Yes.
Yes, he was.
For hunting children.
Yes, that's true.
And then she went on and starred
in Eyes Wide Shut, which was
exposing this crap.
It goes on and on. But to get back to what Ben and MJ
Truth were saying, is that the way that this is playing out, if you go 30,000 feet high and look
down, they are taking down this case as if it's a RICO case. You know, this is how you take down like huge
criminal organizations like the mafia. And the way that you do it is that you have to
start with the lower hanging fruit. And they have been doing that, you know, like they had
like the mugshots of all those pedophiles and traffickers that had been arrested and or deported
on the White House lawn the other day, right?
And so, and as Ben mentioned, like, these people are not just involved in, like, crimes against children and trafficking,
you know, whether it's kids, humans, drugs, you know, adrenochrome, whatever it is.
that go out and they will, you know, they're selling drugs. They do everything. They're doing
They also are their foot soldiers, and they're the ones that go out and they will, you know, murder. They're selling drugs. They do everything.
everything. But, but to take down the whole system, to take down the whole criminal enterprise,
you have to start at the lower hanging fruit. You take down their foot soldiers first,
you get them to talk, and then you keep working your way up until you get up to the top of the
pyramid. And that does appear to be happening. You know, today was Trump's a hundredth day.
He's only been in office for a hundred days and, you know, they're going after the corrupt judges. They're going after the lower hanging fruit. And we can only hope and pray that they're going to continue to go up and up. But, you know, it's the domino effect.
It is the domino thing. But the one thing that I think a lot of people don't understand, and it's something I didn't understand, and I still don't fully understand it, is that, you know, when I gang members like the foot soldiers all the ways up to like, you know, you go up the ladder then and you have like local police are involved.
You have local judges involved.
You have attorney generals involved.
You have prosecutors involved.
You have members of the FBI, the CIA, like people are all lovers of government, people in the State Department, people in the White House, like you have people entrenched in the system at every single level from the very
bottom to the very, very top. And then you look at the members of Congress. I mean, General Flynn
talks about this a lot. There are so many people in Congress who are blackmailed. Many of them are
blackmailed for literally raping children. So if, if every single
person, no, but think about this. If every single person involves in child sex trafficking and or
Epstein's ring or Diddy's ring, and by the way, Epstein, Diddy's ring tie together. And they also
tie to child trafficking at the border, which ties to people in the States, like state officials,
authorities, if the, if everyone involved in this trafficking, and even let's just
say everyone involved in Epstein's ring was taken out, like was arrested tomorrow, what would that
look like? And so I'm talking about people that maybe weren't necessarily raping children or
people that were like directly trafficking children, but people that were maybe blackmailed
to cover up for Epstein, people that were blackmailed to, you know, I don't know,
like give him a sweetheart deal or to like, you know, do work with him or like, you know,
like allow him to have a bank account chase. Like if you look at every single person that was involved in this, that was, you know, either complicit and or guilty of a crime tied to
Epstein and his ring, if they all get arrested today, right now, what would
that look like?
I guarantee you it would be thousands of people.
Thousands of people.
How many members of Congress would we have left after that happened?
Would we even have a government left?
Would we be able to turn on the lights tomorrow?
I think that this is so much bigger.
Well, the lines went off in Spain two days ago, right?
Yeah.
And let's not forget also that there are many branches
to these criminals' organizations, much like you're saying, Liz.
They're into sex trafficking, they're into child trafficking,
they're into drug trafficking.
You know, where there's money, it's greedy, horrible, nasty people
where there's money to be made, they'll go for it.
And that's how the governments have been run in the world. And
that's what we have to change because it's not right. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so, you know,
we just have to keep the pressure on. We have to expose, we have to lift people like you up. And I
encourage everyone right now to follow Juliet, repost her information. She not only gives great information about what she knows about
Epstein through her own horrible experience with this monster, but she's a fantastic researcher.
She does some of the best research I know. And she's connecting all these dots and she's learning
about bloodlines and, you know, all this kind of stuff. And all this stuff ties into Epstein it all ties into what drives
them like why are they doing this like why are they like this and and it's really important
information so I encourage people to support her pray for her lift her up put you know her work
out there give her a voice put her videos out there because that is going to help spread
information wake people up but it's also going to protect her. Thank you so much, Liz.
And back to you, everyone must support Liz.
Liz has actually got much more information than me.
Liz is an amazing speaker,
and she's really helped me through all of this.
And, yeah, I love you, Liz.
You're incredible.
And Sun and everyone, Shadow of Ezra,
even though he's not here anymore,
everyone that started the space. And Liz Churchill, thank you so much,
and Anne and MJ Truth and Trump Frog and Mr Wick,
and I can keep reading all of the amazing people here,
but we must let other people speak.
But just thank you so much, Liz, and thank you, everyone, for caring
because what we're here to do is to speak out
against the system because
it's not right that Virginia Gifford
has been found dead. It's not
fucking right. Sorry to swear
but you know it's very
fucking suspicious. Can I offer some peace
for you? Please do. Please do.
Thank you. Thank you. Love you.
I want to offer some peace for
everyone and I want to offer some peace for everyone.
And I want to explain just briefly why there is this delay.
Many of us have been waiting for seven, eight years for this,
for various indictments, that the growing list,
it gets bigger and bigger all the time, as people know.
The thing is that we are just, we're in a fight against,
not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers,
against the rulers of darkness of this world,
and against spiritual forces that are evil.
And this is not just a simple three-dimensional war.
We're fighting it on other dimensions.
Now, there's 1,600-plus dumps being cleared so far, deep underground military bases. So if we think of Epstein's, that's just one of them. It's a huge endeavour and it's taking
years and years and years because the White Hats keep finding more and more of them. Now,
the secret is why people like Bondi have been put in places,
obviously, to expose the ones who haven't done a good job beforehand, right?
Trump does this.
He puts these people in front of us.
But also that Trump knows that they're not going to actually release the stuff, right?
Trump's in total control, okay?
He knows that they're not going to release release the stuff, right? Trump's in total control, okay? He knows that they're not going to release the files,
and guess what?
We don't want the files released until the very end.
All hell would break loose.
It would break people's brains.
We don't want people's brains being broken.
It's about loose creation.
See these demons,
if people know about the negative fourth dimension
and know the power of God's children,
we're the creators. So what the evil ones have done all this time have fooled us into being,
producing negative vibrational energy. So, you know, if you know our auras, we're constantly
pumping out this energy, the light. That light actually, our collective energy that comes out of us,
negative or positive, literally creates the future. And that's a big secret, right? That's
a huge secret that the cabal know about. So they have been influencing us, making, you know,
controlling the government, controlling the narrative, controlling the water, controlling
the poisons, starting wars against their own cousins and sending in the people to, you know, fight them.
And basically they are making us miserable, which therefore we emanate negative vibrational energy.
If we were all, if we all knew that we were all literally children of God,
you're looking at your friend, your brother and sister, you look them in the eye and you know
that they're the child of God.
You are just going to be happy and emanating love, the vibration, the Christ consciousness, right?
And that literally creates the bright future, right?
We are magical creatures.
We are.
And this is the big secret.
So they fool us into creating negative vibrational energy, which creates the negative future that they want. So it's a big con job, a huge, massive con job on us because the dark ones don't have the power to create. to buy off people and to keep them silent, right? But imagine, okay, you've been placed in,
you've been put into an Attorney General position or whatever, okay?
And then you get a knock on the door, yes, let them in,
and this person walks in and then a second later,
they're a 12-foot alpha draconian with black eyes and horns.
Think of that.
Okay, think of the intimidation factor.
Yup, right, and this changes people.
And then they say, well, we're going to give you money as well.
Like, we'll actually be friends.
This is the way it's always been.
We've been here forever.
We've been here for 250,000 years.
This is the system.
We're not taking all of you.
You know, You don't really
die anyway. All this stuff that they know is true, right? Because when we die, we just
go to heaven.
It's reincarnation. It's a great loop.
And we choose to reincarnate.
That's why we hold memory.
That's right. So Trump's placing all these people in power in a stalling way
until every single dump is being cleared.
Now, I've been tracking this for years.
People know how to track it.
Gene Decode taught us this seven, eight years ago, how to track it.
We know that the deep underground military bases are in the metric system,
so I'm talking kilometres here, 1, 2, 3, 5, 10 and 22
kilometres and there are a couple of bases that go deep into like Pine Gap in Australia, The Hague,
the Vatican itself and a couple others that go way deeper into the earth. Not too deep because
in the underside of the earth are the other continents where these missing continents are.
The earth is, you know, there's another earth on the inside of earth,
okay, just facing the other way.
Avatar.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
And they are infected by the Alpha Draconians.
They are playing on the surface world,
what they call us, the surface people. So this big con job that they've been doing is the big secret.
So if we hear in drips and drabs that all these people have been doing all these awful things to people,
and that just keeps going, guess what? We're actually powering the dark ones because this is
the energy they actually get so if we get bad news we actually emanate negative vibrational energy
and that further powers them so it's actually um would only be putting off the war it is actually
you know make it last longer so this is why White Hats keep everything a secret for our own good
so we aren't as distressed.
It is distressing as it is enough, right, for the people who know what's going on.
It's not distressing when we realise how powerful we are.
We're more powerful than what we realise, and that's what people need to realise,
how powerful our minds are.
Yeah, but getting people to believe that we're winning.
Yep.
If we can't show the people the detail of the winning
because it's just too much for people at the moment,
for the vast majority.
So we've been tracking the dumps that are being exploded.
So if you get at a 10 kilometre depth, follow the earthquakes, okay?
If people go
onto these earthquake maps look for the 10 kilometer depth that's the most common one where
the maglev tunnels are connect all these tunnels around the world are and you know you're talking
about epstein island and submarines and stuff um they use the submarines as well in that in that
area um but at the 10 kilometer depth there there are just magnetic levitation trains connecting the biggest dumbs, okay?
And they're ancient, right?
These Alpha Draconians have been here a long, long time.
So if we see the dumbs being thrown up on the...
It's like the pyramids.
What you're saying with the ancients, you know, with the pyramids,
they just recently found out that it goes far down. Yeah, they're the good guys. So what you're saying is the ancients you know with the pyramids they just recently found out that it goes far down
yeah they're the good guys
so what you're saying is it's so accurate
original Ra was
Christ
Christ by the way has been many many different
people okay he's a lot of different people
and he is in charge
it's the Christ energy comes through
many of us yeah well Christ is
the nature of the – actually,
you spoke with something earlier about someone was saying that God was a man
and stuff and you got upset, and that's cool.
I like that, right?
I can explain it for you.
Yes, because he's not a man.
I mean, and I made the same mistake myself.
I said, no, he's not a man.
It's an old thing.
It's ingrained in our heads because God is above having a sex or a name.
That's right.
God is every little bit of energy.
It's a divine source that lives among us.
The God source, the creator, is everyone and everything.
Every little thing is God.
Everything is actually alive and not just in this universe,
in other universe bubbles
and indeed other dimensions.
So God is everything including.
Every little ant, every little fly.
Every little atom.
We are all God force.
Now, the male and the female.
Not male, not female, and it's actually not with a name.
Your name is God, apparently.
Sorry. You call yourself God on there
No, it says God loves you
You're the real God
Coming to tell us all that
What you're saying is quite
Very accurate
Yeah, we've got to move on to the
We're going to take a couple more
God backwards is his dog
Sorry That's the
reason why i'll just sum up right that's the reason why we haven't heard it they're waiting
to the very end because otherwise we will everyone will just panic and create the more energy which
feeds the negative ones okay so it's like self-defeating so we have to wait to the very
end and then the good news comes out with the emergency broadcast system. The military will take over and they will make a calm transition into the new world, which will, you know, then the sun will flash and everything at that point.
But the whole thing is that they cannot let this story come out in full apart from those who are really seeking it through our own free will and that's
everyone here um because if we impose that on the people as against once as against a galactic rule
and again it's just going to make them create the negative vibrational energy which will just
further the power of the dark ones and make them stronger literally make them stronger
and pray along the wall hey we thank you thank you guys. I appreciate the comments, man.
We got to we got to move on. I think let's see.
Introspect. I know is waiting.
Thank you, Sun Tzu. Appreciate it.
I I'm just grateful everyone gathered here this evening in memory of Virginia and her bravery.
Nothing attracts me more than courage.
And I'm honored to have you here, Juliet, to share your insight and your experiences.
And it's courageous itself to respect that highly.
I wanted to share with you something about what most of us in this group here,
we were all put together by some of the most capable and brilliant group of military intelligence.
That's why we got together, because we had advanced information about what's taking place.
what's taking place and in that chat discussions years ago this information was shared and what
you're experiencing now we forecasted and anticipated to happen and through this there
are highly suspicious deaths there are actual deaths and it's going to go it's a war you know we we are all behind enemy lines right now
okay that's why bravery and courage to me is attractive because you need to be that way
and us being informed the way we are here in this group that represents that we we we're that means
that we represent a small percentage of the public on a bell curve that has an understanding or grasp of the totality of this.
Not many do.
You're totally right because it's just going to hit the fan, much like COVID.
It's lovely to meet you and respect, and thank you for being so on the ball
and honest because look what happened with COVID.
We all sit here thinking things are going to be fine.
Well, guess what?
Look what happened with COVID.
It could get worse.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Introspect.
Sir, just before I wrap this up,
I wanted to share with you all the importance
and the significance of this group that brought us together and the validation of their information.
So in one of these drops regarding Virginia, they went as far as stating something that they rarely ever said.
It was the most passionate post. It was from Drop 4923, October
21st, 2020. It started with, Dearest Virginia, we stand with you now and always. Find peace
through prayer. Never give up the good fight. God bless you. Q. And this is how that intelligence group felt
about Virginia. These are the most capable people. Thank you for reading that to me.
I've been so broken on. Thank you so much for reading that. You're not alone. Me and
all of us here, thousands of us are here with you. Okay, we saw that you're here.
We're not going to leave you.
It's been horrible.
It's been horrible what's happened with Virginia.
I want you to know something.
Don't, for one second, don't even feel bad for one second because i want to let you know i'm a criminal investigator
i'm very familiar with the witness protection program i i know people in it i don't want to
witness prediction they're lying they're lying i want you to know how sensitive virginia is as a
person she is a part of the largest criminal investigation in the history
of the world because the moment
they capture everything
that she...
I love her so much.
We all love her.
She was so sensitive. You're right. It's so amazing.
Sorry to cut it.
We love you too.
I absolutely do. There's nothing I won't do
for you. I don't care where you are.
I will drop it. I'm so sorry. I'm do. There's nothing I won't do for you. I don't care where you are. I will drop it.
I'm so sorry. I'm just so
upset about it. You're right. She's
such an amazing woman.
Anyway,
let me just keep quiet.
Please keep praising Virginia
because that's what this group is about.
She brought me here.
And her cause.
She fought for human trafficking. She fought for human trafficking she fought for children she fought for
everyone
she's not done fighting
no she's not
I don't think
we just die
death is just a false
lie we stay
okay and I don't think she died
if you want to know the truth
there's definitely
reincarnation you know i definitely believe in reincarnation but i don't want to compromise
anyone's protection by saying anything about the witness protection program and the way and the
manners that you are entered into it because those people are some of the most sensitive
circumstances on the planet so for me to even explain how you're entered into it, how you're protected, how your life changes, does a disservice to Virginia.
So what I will tell you that confusion at the beginning.
It was not with this prediction.
It was too complicated for that.
She was crying out for help.
You can think that.
But now let's say if it was.
So they just want to mess with everyone's heads. They want to upset everyone further. This is a very dirty game. Yeah, this is a very dirty game
Even the enemies are perceiving what's going on. Okay. Yeah
It's the only heads that the good guys are trying to mess with are the bad guys
They're they're not trying to mess with our heads. No, so the enemy is watching what we're doing
arhats no so the enemy is watching what we're doing with this prediction i hope she is i got
whatever however you feel i am with you this is a very touchy thing i deal with victims all of the
time it's what motivates me to capture these criminals so what i'm trying to explain to you
is that these are intelligence operations fighting with each other and that they are very sharp people if you're confused imagine them if you knew
the answer they know the answer we have to keep them guessing and so as
confusing as it seemed at the beginning all I'm going to say it's not as it
appears to be and that is the most sensitive criminal investigation in the
history of the world and look at what Q said about her we love you forever and
always or something you know what I mean look that she says we stay he says we
stand with you now and always never give up the good fight now and always from
those people go very very far so I want you to realize that she was
understood and protected by the most capable people on the planet it's like
when children are young and their parents lie to them about a father
Christmas Santa Claus aka Satan you know I'm not Santa Claus I'm actually
dogs away and pretend they got sent to a farm
I don't know
I can't believe it
You don't have to believe it
You have to have faith
That's all you need is faith
You're right
You don't have to believe any of this
All you have to believe is that we all came together
Because of this information
And our trust in it.
Too many victims have been...
Many, many have died and many will continue to die.
But she particularly was a very sensitive and valuable informant.
And the extent the government will go to protect those people is unimaginable.
Unimaginable.
I know somebody that is being protected.
He's dead on the surface.
Okay, so. Yeah, I don't want to elaborate anymore on those programs because those people's lives depend on it. But I just wanted to share maybe my input and the grace that the Cube group has for Virginia. And I hope that gives you some faith and God bless you, Juliet. You're not alone.
you some faith and God bless you, Juliet. You're not alone.
Yeah. Thank you. And respect those were very encouraging words, what you said. And, uh,
and I think that captured Juliet. Oh, a lot of us feel a lot of Anons, especially who are a ton
of Anons in this group, non-researchers that have been on this for years. Of course, Lowe's has been on this for years and
just exposing this and the victims are very near to our heart. I mean, that's why I do this,
the pro bono stuff I do with America's Future, it's always driven by the victims for me. And
I often tell that story. I tell the story of, uh, you know, times I felt like giving
up or just, you feel overwhelmed because there's so many, you don't see the justice at the higher
ups, but what always keeps me going or the children, uh, because they have no choice,
you know, many of them get reused and raped repeatedly and often disposed of early on,
uh, before they're even 12 years old and, and they don't have parents
that are advocates for them or they were kidnapped or whatever. And if, if you're not going to,
if we're not going to be that advocate, if we're not going to raise our voice, then who will?
And that's, what's kept me going. And that's what drives me people like you. And so, uh,
that's what I introspect. He was reiterating is that your voice is heard. Virginia's voice is
heard. Her story will be told and kept alive. And, uh, you know, of course, introspect he was reiterating is that your voice is heard virginia's voice is heard her story will
be told and kept alive and uh you know of course introspects referring to the q drops and uh the
q team that i do uh i did follow for uh a few years when he was posting and many which i believe
is military intelligence background but that's a different story for a different day. But I do believe this has been planned and there has been a huge behind the scenes network
going on to round these people up and to bring justice and to save these children and to
truly expose this.
And it's not done yet.
We are seeing it.
We are seeing it brought to light and it's painful, but it is happening. So thank you
for my interest, but let's take one or two more and then we really should wrap up because it's,
it's getting late. We've been going for a long time and I know she's been gracious to come on
and can with us tonight. Mr. Wick, what's up, man?
with us tonight.
Mr. Wick, what's up, man?
And I don't know if you're there, Mr. Wick,
but you can certainly speak.
Liz, you know, before we wrap up to you,
I guess we lost Julianne.
I know she's been, she was cutting out there.
Liz, do you have any final thoughts?
Well, as I said earlier tonight, I think actually that would be a great place to leave it because it gives people some hope.
And, you know, it's a reminder to continue to have faith.
And, you know, we've been, you know, in the middle of a shadow war for a very long time.
Ninety nine percent of the population doesn't even know the shadow war has been going on,
but you and I both know that it has been.
So, you know,
I think people should remain optimistic and they should always remain faithful
and to have faith and to trust in God, you know?
And, you know,
I just encourage everyone to keep Juliet and in your prayers and all the survivors and the whistleblowers and the journalists and the Anons and everyone on the front lines of this war.
And keep fighting the good fight.
You know, it is only the 100th day that President Trump has been in office.
And what he's been able to do in these 100 days is actually nothing short of a miracle.
he's been able to do in these 100 days is actually nothing short of a miracle. So, you know, I think
we should just remain cautiously optimistic. And, you know, I'm going to still keep the hope alive
that Virginia isn't some kind of witness protection. And, but with that being said,
we need to continue to put pressure on President Trump's administration. We need to continue to
expose this stuff.
And, you know, everyone that came in here tonight, just by you being here and sharing the space and talking, you know, that helps.
Everything helps.
So thank you, everybody that came in.
I think we're going to do another space.
There was another Jeffrey Epstein survivor that was in here, and she had to leave before she had a chance to talk.
So I think we're going to do before she had a chance to talk. So I think
we're doing another space in a few days with her. And so, you know, I hope that we see a lot of you
guys back for that. And that's it. If anyone else has any final thoughts, go for it.
Yeah, let's, that was really good concluding remarks, Liz. I appreciate that.
Mr. Wick, I did want to give you a chance to speak.
Yeah, sorry about that.
I was actually talking with somebody and praying with him.
You know, just remember the Epstein file stuff is just the big fish,
and it didn't stop with just him.
And that's one of the things people remember is every time something like that comes up, people understand or got to understand that, you know, there are two or three hundred different.
You know, folks doing this kind of stuff.
And, you know, just because we haven't got the Epstein file, you know, we need to start understanding that there are there are other people that are doing this kind of stuff.
And, you know, it's it needs to stop right here.
We got it. We got to expose those as well.
Absolutely. That's good.
Concluding remarks as well. I appreciate that.
Yes. Thank you for that. Thank you for whoever you were praying with.
That's awesome that you were for that. Thank you for whoever you were praying with. That's awesome that you were doing that. And I would just say, you know, Julia, we're, uh, I know you had dropped off here, but,
um, I appreciate you coming on and, uh, it has been an honor and a privilege to be able
to host this space.
Thank you again, Liz, for the invite.
Always enjoy these spaces.
And, uh, this is what it's about.
This is why we do it. We do
it to give victims a voice. And I mean, look at the people we've had in here tonight. And we're
from all, the cool thing is we're from all different religions, races, ethnicities,
gender, you know, I mean, you got men, women in here, we're all speaking out about this.
And this is something that can truly unify America and unify the world.
It's fighting back against these globalist elite, satanic pedophiles who bring nothing
but destruction and their effort to basically take over the world.
And we're not going to let it happen.
You know, we're going to be that light that Jesus talked about,
the light that shines on the hill and can't be hid.
And that's what we're going to do.
We're going to continue to do it.
So, Julian, I do want to give you the last word before we close this out here.
Do you have any final thoughts?
Thanks so much, son.
Sorry I got cut off.
You know, it's actually nearly 7 nearly 7 a.m i've pulled
an all-nighter for everyone good brief wow well no no but i'm happy to do it because you know
what i want to say is that this is a very important thing when you speak about and
you know um you know with the whole epsteinstein story, they're covering everything up.
I've told everything what happened to me.
They're lying about it all.
They're saying that girls have been trafficked to men.
But where are the victims?
Where are the clients?
Where's the list?
At the end of the day, they're lying.
There's a big cover-up.
up. You know, and what we're realizing is that it goes underground. You know, Epstein's
You know, and what we're realizing is that it goes underground.
property in New Mexico was directly between Daltshire and Roswell, you know, where all
the sort of weird things go on, military bases. You know, his property was 10,000 acres. It's
very vast. So there was clearly something underneath there. Also, I met scientists,
I met Michael Bay there. I didn't see where these men were staying. They were obviously
staying somewhere on the property. And I also had the memory of waking up in the lab. I
saw Epstein turn into something in front of my eyes. We're dealing with extraterrestrials
here or interterrestrials.
I don't know if they're from inner earth or outer earth or what they are.
But as Tucker Carlson said, we're in a spiritual war.
You know, Tucker Carlson said it himself.
He's quite mainstream.
And he said that a demon attacked him.
So I stand by Tucker Carlson.
I saw Epstein turn into the devil.
And I'm sorry if it frightens anyone,
but unfortunately that is the truth.
You know, I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen it.
I really wouldn't.
I would think, oh, my God, this person's a bit mad.
If I hadn't seen it, I would never believe it, but I saw it.
And that's how I'll leave it.
And most importantly, I want to speak out for Virginia Gifford's family,
for her children, for the pain that she's been put through.
And they can say she was killed by Epstein.
That's what I'll say.
Regardless of whether she killed herself or whether they came in
and killed her with pills,
she was given those pills.
Who the fuck gave her those pills is what I want to know.
Because I've heard that she was found with an empty bottle of pills next to her.
Well, who was giving her those pills?
And that's a big problem that actually needs to be addressed within America.
Over 70% of American adults are on pharmaceutical pills.
Rather have a shot of whiskey, like I do.
It's a lot simpler.
It's a lot easier than taking pills.
Pills cause terrible death, especially if you mix them with alcohol.
But there's something very suspicious with Virginia Gifford's death.
It's very, very frightening.
And I hope the truth comes out.
We've got to keep fighting.
Because she was not suicidal, as she said online.
She said it very clearly.
She said, I am not suicidal.
And suddenly she's apparently committed suicide.
I don't fucking believe it for a second.
Sorry to swear.
You know, hit by a bus and then suddenly dies by suicide.
Too many red flags as far as you ask me.
I love Virginia Gaffer.
I think she was the most amazing person, and I'm just devastated.
And actually what I want to leave this with is all the beautiful blonde icons get murdered.
Grace Kelly, Marilyn Monroe, Princess Diana, Virginia Gifford.
Another beautiful blonde woman involved with presidents and royalty.
Dead. beautiful blonde woman involved with presidents and royalty, dead.
And I think we just leave it at that.
But we weren't leaving it at that.
We leave it at Virginia would want us to keep fighting and to make the world a better place
and to keep fighting for the children
and to keep bringing out justice.
And Virginia was obviously murdered or she was killed by a sick system.
And we all have to keep fighting in Virginia's name.
And I guess I'll just leave it at that because she was a really amazing woman
and we have to continue her legacy. I thought I'll just leave it at that because she was a really amazing woman.
And we have to continue her legacy.
You have represented her well tonight and told her story well. And someone being close to her.
And I just thank you so much for that, Julianne, for sharing tonight and just being a brave victim yourself.
I've been blessed by this.
Well, I really loved her.
And, you know, she was an amazing woman.
When I spoke to her, we used to have video chats, and she'd always have animals all around her, like Snow White.
You know, like the Disney princesses that I speak about and J.P. Morgan.
But she was a real soldier and she loved animals.
And that's another thing I want to bring up is that Carolyn Adriano,
who was found dead, the woman who testified against Maxwell,
she also owned a chicken farm.
All the girls who've been murdered were farm girls.
They weren't city girls.
They weren't into bullshit.
But they were found dead in hotel rooms or, you know, wherever from drug overdoses or whatever they want to call it.
These girls were amazing women and I hope that more amazing women will come out and speak because
it's been a bit... But I can understand why a lot of girls don't want to talk out.
Luckily, I'm in Africa.
You know, being in Africa, it's a bit safer for me.
There are certain laws where you can't bring someone to America from Africa.
They've tried to bring me there, but... But I think that's why I'm able to speak more than the American girls are.
Because it's very frightening when you've got the FBI at your doorstep.
You know what I mean?
I can only imagine. Thank you so much. Trumpfrog, do you have any final thoughts
before we close it out?
If not, I'll go ahead. Thank you, everyone. Sorry.
Hi, Trumpfrog. Thank you for everyone. Thank you, everyone. Sorry. Hi, Trump folk. Thank you for everyone.
Thank you, Trump folk.
I was going to thank you.
I just want to thank Ben and Liz and you.
And really, really appreciate you having the courage to come in here and speak and share your story.
And just share.
Like, it really, really means a lot.
it really, really means a lot. Like I don't even have the words to express anything other than,
you know, gratitude and, you know, admiration for your strength. Like
this is something really dear to my heart. And I just really, really am grateful that you took the time and really shared and I could feel your heart.
And I just really admire you. I really, really do. And from the bottom of my heart, I just am
grateful to people like you and to Liz and people that have really stood up and fought a real fight
and really, really, really poured their heart out.
And, you know, Juliet, you're an amazing person. Anyone that says otherwise has, doesn't have the,
the really the fortitude to hear who you are. And I'm, I'm truly grateful. Words can't express
like this is the most important thing to me and forget my passion. I'm really grateful. Words can't express. Like this is the most important thing to me.
And forgive my passion. I'm really, really, really, really, really.
Words can't express how much it means to me when I speak about these things and I don't care about
like the internet or what people think or anything like that. I think that, you know, Sun Tzu, Liz,
Mike Crox, and people that really, really have put themselves on the line like yourself that
really have fought the fight. Like to me, that's all that really matters. I could care less
about, you know, internet celebrity or fame or people like me like me in fact if you don't like me
i could care less i really could i you know we all have jobs we have lives but i've never gone
through what you've gone through so i just want to give you your flowers and tell you that
i'm a better person for him from hearing you speak and forgive my emotion and my passion with that. But,
you know, I really want to be a part of this again. If you speak or anyone that has the
courage to stand up and tell the truth, it means the world to me and that I'll spend the rest of
my life fighting for things like this that really matter. For anyone who knows who's a victim of
even local trafficking for homeless people, for people that are victims of what's going on, it really, really matters.
And I pray about this a lot.
I really, really do.
I had to get off the Internet and stop doing spaces because I think people have no care or empathy for other people.
And I may not be the greatest person as far as being kind or etiquette or
being personal, but I really do care about people like you. And God bless you,
Juliet. And if I ever get any opportunity to meet you, I will give you a really big hug and tell
you thank you. Because there's people that really do big things in this world for people that really, really don't have a voice.
And you gave a voice, and it matters to me a lot.
So thank you for, you know, not leaving.
You made me cry.
Because, you know, that's when I realized I didn't want to speak out,
but I realized that many people have been murdered,
and that's when I realized I have to speak out for the people who can no longer
speak. And as far as you saying your story, our story, this, you know, they call it history.
This is our story, as we were saying earlier. And just thank you for being so kind. It's
been a really hard time and just kindness like yours really, really means something.
Because it's been horrible dealing with what it means.
And soldiers like you really make a difference.
So thank you so much.
Well, any opportunity to share a space with my hero, Les, who's a real warrior.
And Mike and Sun Tzu.
And I'm really grateful for Kelly, who's not here, but, you know, Q Ellie, as they call her, you know, she's been a light in my life,
and I'm really grateful for people that really care. There are people out there, Juliet, that
really do care about this more than you know and I say that to say with anyone that
pushes back on me I've been doing this for two and a half years I've got two and a half years
spaces to prove people like you are the reason why I'm here and when everything happens and all
of this breaks out and our financial system changes, there's a bunch of people that really truly care and love you.
And you will truly see.
And someday I'll be able to put my money where my mouth is.
And God bless you.
And thank you, son.
Thank you, Liz.
Thank you so much.
And you know, it's not about putting your money where your mouth is.
You put your soul where your mouth is.
And that's what matters.
Because the soul is what matters most.
And you care.
And that's the richest thing you'll ever have, is your soul.
Because people come into this world and they chase wealth
and then they ruin their health.
And they've got wealth and no health,
and what does it matter at the end of the day?
It's all about love.
It's all about caring. It's about changing
the world. You know, we come in here with nothing. We leave with nothing. It's about
caring about people. And, you know, that's the biggest mistake I think a lot of people
make in their lives. They spend their time chasing money. And I understand that, you
know, everyone's trying to look after themselves.
But at the end of the day, it's about each other.
It's about community.
And that's what I respect so much about Africans as well.
Living in Africa, the African people look after each other.
Amen.
And I definitely want to be involved.
So, son, Liz, if you do this again, I definitely want to do this.
I want to be a part of it.
This is a really big deal.
Got a bunch of people that would never go into X that were here that truly care about child trafficking.
And this is where Kash Patel is.
And I promise, something is going to happen.
This is something passionate for Donald Trump,
so I just really want to be a part of it.
And so thank you, son.
Thank you, Liz.
Thank you, Juliet, and everyone who listens.
What a great space.
This has been an amazing space.
God bless you all.
Thank you very much.
Everyone's amazing.
Thank you so much. Sorry. No, you're you're fine to let well god bless you guys and uh ladies and uh again thank you so much uh y'all for participating
and listening and uh just keep getting this message out and like liz said i'll do it again
um we'll have uh we'll just keep telling the story you know keep exposing so
we're not gonna we're not gonna stop this where the worst all right guys god bless y'all have a
wonderful night and yeah go ahead list great job thanks so much for your patience and moderating
the space so well and you get extra credit because you didn't fall asleep i think it's the record i know we kept still past your bedtime yeah no kidding seriously all right
we'll talk soon god bless you guys everyone thank you bye love you all
