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Talking all things AI on Avalanche! Join the @AvalancheFDN infraBUIDL(AI) Roundtable with special guests from @AethirCloud, @GoKiteAI, @BitteProtocol, and @WolvesDAO 🤖
Recorded: March 28, 2025 Duration: 0:50:46Space Recording
Short Summary
In a dynamic discussion, leaders from various AI and blockchain projects, including Kite AI and WolvesDAO, explored the intersection of these technologies, highlighting new project launches, strategic partnerships, and the potential for growth in decentralized applications. The conversation underscored the importance of community engagement and innovative funding models in driving the future of Web3.
Full Transcription
Today we are talking about AI with some of the leaders in the space here.
We've got a great crew from Kite, Bite, Aether, and WolvesDAO, all building on Avalanche,
and just across the industry, some of the leaders in the space.
Today, I think we've got 30 to 45 minutes with these people, and you're going to learn a lot.
Everything from the basics will start out at, you know,
how does AI and blockchain really complement each other,
but also getting into the depths of each project in some ways about what
specifically they're bringing to the table and what's new in the space.
I'm really excited to kick it off.
So let's just jump right into intros.
Give me your name, your project,
and what you're building on Avalanche briefly. Let's start with Peyton.
Yes. So my name is Peyton, founder of WolvesDAO as well as Wolf. That's what we're building on
AVAX. It's kind of a mix of two major things that are using AI tech. One is our AI agent that is
going to be really off of like Games Lab and also Wolves-Dow proprietary data, keeping people informed on the Web3 gaming space, as well as our companion app that will be using that AI specific knowledge and deep analytical system that comes from Games Lab and infuse it with the AI.
So super excited about it. I'm super excited to be here. So probably the smoothest brain on this panel there, Coop. So I'm excited to also learn.
Probably the smoothest brain on this panel there, Coop.
So I'm excited to also learn.
Well, that's what I like about this panel.
We've got a range, right?
We've got people working on the infrastructure side and the big brains.
And then we've got people implementing it and trying to take something like an app to market, like Wolf and Peyton.
Leigh, why don't you go next?
Yeah, sure.
Really excited to be here.
So my name is Leigh Leigh.
I'm from Kite AI. I'm leading the go-to-market at Kite. A bit of background myself. Actually, I started in the institutional space. I worked on Wall Street for over 10 years and came to the blockchain space about five years ago. We've had an incredible experience. We're building the first AI L1 on Avalanche,
working with a lot of great partners actually in this call today.
Our partners at Bitte on the AI agent side,
Aether on the AI infrastructure side.
And I'm really excited to meet Payton as well.
Nice.
All right, Nate, you're up.
My name is Nate, and it is pronounced Bitta, like Bitteschen from Germany.
Please, which means please in German.
So please AI build and execute my transaction for me.
We believe that you could build super dApps super easily.
So from a single prompt, you can do cow swaps, uni swaps.
You can talk with DAOs, What DAOs am I part of?
Can you show me all my empty proposals? Can you vote yes on all these? Most UIs are actually going
to be useless. And so we built a live system that anyone can mess around with today with an
embeddable system where you can build your agent, embed it into your own site. And then once that
agent's built, your partners can also embed those agents and merge those agents.
And now you can actually build agents just by selecting a bunch of different tools, and you don't need coder experience to do that.
We think this is like the big win against what traditional finance can do.
For us, smart contracts, anyone can basically build transactions.
So very excited to be part of this uh we're also partnered with kite
uh on as a subnet person uh been part of blockchain since 2014 and it's been fascinating
seeing the space growing incrementally but showing signs of uh real real progress awesome um joachim
Awesome. Jochem.
That's very well pronounced, Koop. Thank you for that.
So my name is Jochem. I'm responsible for strategic
privacy today. I'm a leader in the space, and thank you, Koop. But I think that I'm going to be
taking notes in this conversation as well and learn from the others, because I already learned
some, we heard some really cool stuff. So those of you who know me, you know me as a bit of a decentralized AI Maxi,
but I'll tell more about it later.
At ATHR, we're effectively very good at GPUs.
So what we do is we aggregate hardware, GPUs on one hand,
and we do that from enterprise-grade data centers.
And on the other side, we connect them
with the top quality cloud gaming projects
and AI projects.
Well, we've got some amazing ones here in the panel today.
Now from a decentralized AI maximalist point of view, one point that I really love about
what we're doing is, well, it might sound a little bit like a broken record, is how
we deal with a community.
Because you hear it everywhere, right?
So community is vital to the success of web-free AI or web-free infrastructure in general. broken record is how we deal with a community because you hear it everywhere right so community
is vital to the success of web 3.ai or web 3.0 infrastructure in general and the way we do that
is that when we aggregate all those gpus from those data centers we still need to have a way to
kind of like do the checks and balances so how do you check whether those data centers are actually
delivering i mean they're all over the world now we have about i think it's 90 90 checker nodes and those are nodes that are run by the community
so thousands of people that are running those nodes and what they do is they continuously check
whether the data centers are actually delivering now this is one beautiful in my opinion beautiful
example of how you can actually decentralize the infrastructure instead of having
one company do it yourself um have a whole community of people real people that contribute
to the network and next to that we do a lot more with our community obviously but i'll share more
about it later yeah i am a big fan of that um involving the community and the process with
rewards and and getting them to be a real part of the product is cool.
Last but not least, we have Daniel, a staple of these streams, but introduce yourself.
Hey, everyone.
I'm Daniel.
I work at the Avalanche Foundation as a senior program manager.
And my role is essentially running programs.
And specifically, I'm helping run the infraverbal ai program which
is you know what what brings us all here together you know in this panel we have
uh both grantees and people who have who help us continuously with in the selection committee
to select the best projects um nothing else from my end um let's get started. Yeah. Okay. Sounds good. For anyone just joining, just a quick reminder of what this is all about.
We're talking AI with some of the leaders of the space, people that are both creating
apps from Payton to L1s with Kite and infrastructure and agents with Bitta and Aether.
So let's get into it. and agents with Bitta and Aether.
So let's get into it. How do AI and blockchain compliment each other?
And anyone is free to jump in here.
This is obviously a basic question,
but let's get this course started with people
who don't already have that vision.
It's, I mean, for me, the biggest thing for what we're doing is every, okay, so we look
at traditional finance and blockchain.
Traditional finance is mostly just, I buy a thing, but value goes from A to B, and then
that's it.
Blockchain, as we know, we can do so much more.
We can vote on DAOs, we can exchange NFTs, we could create our own money market situation. I mean,
there's so much more you can do. And so, but it's always been such a pain in the butt to figure out
all these different things. AI has this beautiful world where is all these open smart contracts are
available. Building transactions with natural language is like a really easy no-brainer fit.
The things you can do on-chain that you can't do with, let's say, Amazon or Airbnb, all the innovation that developers...
Imagine developers cannot build a transaction for Airbnb.
They can't create a game and do a transaction.
The only thing you can do with Amazon is maybe you hit an API and it gives you a referral link and you send that user to Amazon's web page and then they log in and go through that.
But the real innovation is people are creating bots to make transactions and doing all these innovative different things.
And now with AI, I think that we're just making it stupidly easy for people to go this step further.
Because we've had smart contracts and open functions for a while, but building all these UIs and interfaces
is such a pain in the butt.
But now we're in this new world where it's just
so much easier.
Yeah.
Yochum, I feel like you have a little bit of a different angle
about how decentralization plays a part in Aether.
What do you think?
Well, I actually have a completely different perspective that i
can add to this because you know for a long long time um there have been a lot of voices of people
that showed actually that you don't need blockchain for decentralization i know that anyone in this
room hates it hates me when i say this but they mentioned for example mastodon at the time a
social media app that is decentralized but it doesn't use or doesn't need blockchain.
Now, Nate, you mentioned a couple of really cool points and you called it stupidly easy, I think, right?
So, and you're absolutely right, by the way.
So things have changed since 2017, so to speak.
the 2017 so to speak. So when you think about true ownership of digital assets for example,
true control over your data, okay this AI can use my data to be trained and this AI cannot.
When you're thinking about where we're heading to it's a world where we see a lot of micro
economies so AI agents operating within each other, when they actually just coined something like micro economies already.
But if you think about those three principles, and I'm just going to three,
then actually blockchain is the most obvious solution, the most straightforward,
the most in nature, words, stupidly simple technologies to use as a framework,
as an infrastructure to run all those things.
The beauty of this is that we've seen the whole blockchain space evolve over time, right? So when
I joined the crypto space in 2017, blockchain wasn't advanced enough. Now, just this week,
I think that the core wallet announced that they're facilitating the transaction fees, for example.
You don't necessarily... the different ways of dealing with your mnemonics
so that even people that are just getting started
in crypto can deal with handling with the blockchain.
So the blockchain space has evolved
in such a beautiful way
that now blockchain is the most obvious technology to use,
particularly when you talk about AI,
so those AI agents, micro economies,
data privacy, this sort of stuff. So I just wanted to add that to your story, Nathan.
Yeah, I appreciate that perspective. Let's also add in the term agents here you know like not just how does blockchain complement ai but when it comes
to agents uh specifically i mean nate you touched on it a little bit but payton i feel like you
you're more clearly on the agent side would you say i can jump in uh cool like yeah when it comes
down to it it's like i'm more of like a consumer facing like in terms of marketing it's my background
for it and i think blockchain does fantastic things for marketing.
But I also think AI also does a fantastic amount of jobs for marketing as well.
I'm a creator as well.
I know Coop probably doesn't call himself as that as well.
But we have to sleep.
We have to do all kinds of things.
And so when it comes to that aspect of things, agents do not. When it comes to AI, there is a constant cycle of 24-7 posts
and understanding that. So how Wolf interacts with it is that it reads on-chain data quite
completely with Games Lab analytics in terms of their suite. And then it processes that using AI
and then posts that on socials. And the way the flywheel, how we look at it is more of the top
of the funnel. So top of the funnel, that's how creators are. Creators are top of funnel for products.
What is the first product that we're going to be making is the companion app, right?
So how we look at it from an agent perspective in terms of using and leveraging AI to its
fullest extent is to have a full-time content creator that is trained on the proprietary
data of a whole bunch of content creators and wolves, as well as games labs like on
an analytic suite
for the last like year and a half or so of on chain and kol specific data uh and then posting
about that so if like there's a major sweep in like off the grid nodes whenever the the main
net goes live that will be you know sent out on a social by wolf um and then we will get direct
feedback from the community members uh that are on, crypto Twitter, that says, hey, I like that.
Okay, cool.
Now that's a flywheel of, okay, they like sweeps.
They like all that kind of stuff.
Let's add that into the companion app for them to be able to use.
So AI agents in terms of infrastructure and all that stuff goes way beyond my head.
But from a very simple caveman perspective of, hey, creator that's on 24-7, really good marketing.
Into a flywheel of, hey, likes, retweets, and comments7, really good marketing into a flywheel of like, hey,
likes, retweets, and comments are a very good indicator if a content works well.
Let's get that into the companion app.
So there's a lot of aspect of things in terms of like a flywheel of good feedback loop that
we're using AI that I think is pretty unique just for the fact that there's not a lot of
marketers that are currently leveraging AI as well as blockchain tech
because a lot of them don't want to get into the weeds of it too.
Yeah, and finding that data can be challenging
across so many different scanners, chains, all that.
And so hooking it up all the time.
That's the big issue, right?
With blockchain, the good thing about it is transparency.
Sometimes it's just too transparent.
It just gives us everything.
And that's the big issue.
And AI just came at the perfect time for blockchain
for the fact that it gets to process,
especially if you get to train it off of like specific niches, right?
For us, it's web3 gaming.
We completely understand it.
We understand that like if somebody's farming something in Pirate Nation
and they get a wood stuff, that means that they're an actual gamer
versus like if you just look at on chain, this person has an NFT.
The deeper that you can go with it, the more that you have like with ai i think there's a huge
huge validation when it comes to ai and blockchain especially with the amount of information that's
currently on the blockchain yeah and leia would love to hear your perspective on and what what
does kite see the value in and combining these two areas? Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I think we're actually
very much at the intersection of both. So what Kite is, is really you can think of the best of
three worlds. One is it's an incentivized hugging face. So hugging face is one of the largest
open ecosystems of like models data. But what we hear is a lot of the top Web2 builders
are not, they're posting their models.
For example, one of the ones that we're working with
has had 7 million downloads on Hugging Face.
It's model, his model has been used
by Apple's World Wide Web Developer Conference
by a bunch of startups,
but he never really got rewarded for it.
And so that's one of the areas that blockchain can really bring as well,
that reward and incentive mechanism.
So the first part is the incentivized hugging phase.
The second part is a better subnet ecosystem.
And so what I mean by that is basically we're working with AI agents,
AI model builders, AI data providers, and AI infrastructure partners.
So that's why like Aether, BitTay have been really amazing partners.
And you can think of it as a marketplace where everyone lists their assets and people can
come in and look for the different assets that they're looking for.
So if I'm a model builder, I can go and find that high
quality data. And in the Web2 world, one of the biggest problems is that there's quite a lot of
the big Web2 players, they own a lot of the data and a lot of people don't have access to it. You
don't know exactly what's happening behind the doors. So here we're creating an open marketplace
where model builders can find the
high quality data that they're looking for. Agent builders can similarly, like Bete, for example,
you know, they may need real time on chain data. And then also, like partners like Aether are
providing a lot of the core AI infra and GPU compute that's needed for a lot of resource intensive work.
So that's the second pillar. The third pillar is basically the DeFi economy, which is, I think, one of the biggest,
most powerful and most interesting parts about blockchain that it can really bring to the AI world as well.
And so what I mean by that for Kite is that each subnet can launch its own token.
We're launching our token, you know, come around summertime and we'll have native staking, create like liquidity pools.
Individual retail and consumers can also stake to those different subnets and participate in the ones that they find the most exciting and also participate in some of the
upside rewards. So that's how we're thinking of, you know, really combining the best of both worlds.
Yeah, very interesting, especially on the reward side. I feel so strongly about that, that, you
know, blockchain is one of the best ways to distribute rewards and make sure that people
get rewarded for their work if someone else is using it. So I love that. The next section was really about applications for this technology,
like what are the current and future use cases. A lot of you gave some good examples of that
already. Does anyone want to add in or we can keep this one quick and move on to challenges
and opportunities? What do you think? I'll add in real quick can keep this one quick and move on to challenges and opportunities?
What do you think?
I'll add in real quick, Coop.
In terms of future uses for AI, I think when it comes to, again, more to a certain segment of it you can start also just doing things with blockchain technology that is
just way more sticky than the the actual typical web 2 counterparts right i think i've talked to
you about this coop about sbt's being a modern day version of cookies um and there's just like
a lot of aspects of of marketing perspective that like you just can't shake that uh and then from
there you can also be the person that like i could see like a subnet of like gaming achievements, right on AVAX. I think that'll be gigantic. If you have like a
good segment of like SBTs or any type of reward structure that doesn't even have to be monetary,
but is like very much public and on chain, then you have a huge access to a directory of people
that you don't need a Facebook, you don't need a Google in terms of like ads, you can just go
straight to the consumer based off of the wallet address. You don't even need to know that person,
but you can know them by their directory of like SBTs or wallet or different types of financial
activity that's been on the blockchain. And that's exactly what Lele said about rewards.
It's like incentives for it. And I think that's just a lot of people. It's just a way better streamlined version of it.
And I think a lot of people are going to be coming into the blockchain space.
And I think the only way to like really go through that certain amount of data, like
I said, is like going through like with AI and training different types of models that
like, hey, there's a needle in the haystack somewhere.
How do we get it?
It's going to be going through AI.
So I know that's that's what I think in terms of like the current and future use cases uh of blockchain is that as we start getting more mature in like
blockchain data there's going to be more use cases for that data and i think that's where ai is going
to really take a huge um i guess case in it you know yeah yeah makes sense i'll just add in a few
words um on use cases so we are working we actually have a huge pipeline of partners,
probably around 100,
ranging from agents, models, data, and fra.
So I'll just name a few.
BitTay, we've talked a lot about already.
We're also working with BitMind, for example.
They focus on deepfake detection data and models.
They're actually one of the top subnets on BitTensor, but they have a universal API, which allows to bring a lot of the BitTensor intelligence to Kite AI and Avalanche as well.
So I think that's really exciting.
And then also, CODATA is another example partner.
They're very focused on the DSi segment and healthcare data.
So, for example, they created very focused on the D-Sci segment and healthcare data. So for example,
they created this like pretty fun fasting agent. So what you do, it helps you fast by very simply,
you're having lunch, you can just upload your image, you do like at, yeah, basically you hit their like Twitter handle, and it just tells you the number of calories of
your image of your of what you eat for lunch so it helps you reminds you that this is this is like a
very healthy lunch or this is no no you know you should really you should really watch your calories
so you know just some of the some of the fun things and, you know,
the partners that we're working with. Yeah, that's, that's very interesting. Yeah, the deep
fakes is like, that has come about so fast, the the need for deep deep fake protection and
understanding. It's crazy. Joachim, why don't you go next? Yeah, I stopped taking notes, and I'm just going to listen back to the recording after this.
Lele, great examples.
I've got another one, and maybe the nicest way to explain this is just by giving a bit of what the future will look like.
So very soon, your Roomba robot, so the bot that cleans your floor, will be able to make a floor plan of your house.
Super interesting.
We'll know exactly what kind of furniture
you've got stored where.
Now your smart thermostat
will know exactly when you're home.
Now your smart fridge
will know exactly what kind of products
you have in your smart fridge
or maybe even who opens the fridge.
So Peyton, no more stealing those cookies at night.
I know that agent would hate me from Lele.
I was like, I don't think I'll ever get a positive one.
Anyway, this last one was obviously just a joke,
but I think that if you're listening in
and this makes you feel slightly uncomfortable,
then I think for very good reasons,
because all these devices,
they are in your most intimate space,
in the place where you live.
And when all this data can get sent to the mothership to train an AI, then what this
AI will become particularly good at is influencing you.
So those people who still wonder why we need Web3 AI, well, here's one example.
And I think this is a very, very powerful one.
So AI and robotics, obviously not completely
new. Decentralized AI and robotics is really an excellent team that I would love to see. And
we definitely need a subnet or layer one on Apple. It's focused only on tackling that problem,
or maybe with you guys on the kite LNAs. Yeah. All right, Nate, I think you had something to add as well.
Yeah, we, so we were originally mint based and NFT company in 2019. We did the first NFT ticketing
ever for NFT NYC. We did so many real world deployments always got hit with these onboarding
hurdles, right? We would have companies coming to us, asking us to deploy smart contracts,
create all these things from scratch,
minting like a giant data set was just insane.
So I could see agents easily pegging
to LVMH's inventory sheet,
mass minting all of their, you know,
shoes, hats, wardrobes.
And then we think natural language
will be probably a majority of the
transactions that were built in the future. So if you're sitting on your couch and you're watching
selling sunsets and you like the dress that, you know, you could say in episode two, season one,
I would like to buy that red dress and maybe send one to my friend Bill. Like that's where
everything's shifting. And I feel like if we nail the smart contract thing now,
that's going to be the signal for traditional finance to go,
wait, Stripe can't really do a lot of this stuff
because it's all private transactions that no one can just rip through.
So for me, that's the long-range goal.
The short range is we have all these beautiful smart contracts
that we could build transactions for today.
Let's start building agents, getting them sucked into games so you don't have to go to how swap to go do your swapping.
Right. You can have a player you can run into.
You can say, can you swap this token for this so I could buy, you know, my armory knife or something to go do something.
So step one, step two, dress on Netflix.
Yeah. Interesting. knife or something go do something so step one step two dress on netflix yeah interesting
um all right well let's move on to the challenges and and the opportunities that those challenges create um so i think there's been a lot of um technical work put into improving the developer
experience for blockchains,
but in my mind, it's still a challenge for a lot of developers.
So, like, specifically when you're thinking about integrating AI with blockchain
and using smart contracts, what are the challenges that you face today?
I think that, to my mind, from what I see, like...
I can kick that one.
Oh, I think Daniel...
Yeah, no, I was just going to say very briefly that, you know, from what I get, I think the most obvious, like, sort of problem is that AIs are quite accurate, but not like 100% accurate. And when you give an agent control over your funds,
we've seen their security.
Essentially, we've seen agents getting tricked
into performing certain actions that loses them money.
And so I think that's one of the trickiest parts,
one of the biggest challenges for the industry to solve.
Obviously, it's still not a total barrier to adoption.
Because, you know, you have, for example, Bitae, you know, they build transactions for you and you still sign them and can review them so you know what you're signing.
But giving agents like full autonomy and leaving them in the wild is still, you know, I think it's extremely cool.
I love that we are seeing it. And I think it's one of the, you know, it's only possible because
of blockchain and because it's permissionless, but still we are not quite there when it comes to,
you know, full, full automation. Yeah. Yeah. That makes perfect sense. Nate.
Yeah. So there's three levels of agents, right? There's the first level, which is like OpenAI's operator, goes to a website, fills in information.
That's what Bitsa is right now. You say, give me this thing, we'll build a transaction, you sign it.
The second level is when we get into autonomous land. And this is when you give private keys to an agent to go do some stuff, right? And this people are solving with TEEs, but that's a centralized system.
That's a pain in the butt.
So really trying to nail and people are even going into them and saying, hey, give me your
private key.
And then the agent goes, sure, why not?
And then the third level, once we figure that out, is truly autonomous agents, which means
they can actually go pay
for their own AWS costs, right?
They can keep themselves alive by so on and so forth.
So we're right now problem solving for the second one,
which is really about agents talking to other agents,
creating a sort of event bus of requests from agents
for other agents to pick up to go do something else,
which I think is a good solve for it.
But yeah, it's going to be a fascinating future when solving one minute at a time.
Yeah.
Well, this seems like there are opportunities here.
Daniel, you sit on the, I don't know what you call it,
the board for projects submitting to our AI program.
Are you seeing people working on that actively, you know, trying to solve the issue of hallucination?
Oh, no, yeah, we see like, I think it's like everyone is working on this problem in one
level or another.
I think it's one of the key issues.
So everyone is kind of going towards that.
And I think it will be solved, you know,
as well as agent coordination, all of that.
I think we will be seeing, you know,
I guess in Nate's framework, I guess at some point
we will move towards solving the third step after.
And yeah, i think the most
exciting thing here is that this is all possible only because of the intersection between crypto
and blockchain that we were talking about in the first question like i think the biggest difference
here is between you know crypto touches everything it intersects with every other vertical from Web 2, Web 3, whether it's games or your food on your fridge or all sorts of things.
It can intersect.
But I think in crypto we are seeing a lot of innovation happening because regulation makes it impossible to test these things in other environments.
And because crypto is permissionless,
you can test all these things,
break things, and eventually we'll solve them.
Interesting perspective.
Leigh?
Yeah, sure.
Let me just add a few things.
I think where we are,
one thing I see as a challenge and also opportunity
is that we speak to both the Web 2 ai world and then also the web
3 blockchain space and it's distinctly very different languages so when we go to the web 2
conferences or or a lot of them are like you know academics you see uh uh like student uh university
labs like those are some of the top AI researchers.
And they're very, very intrigued when we talk about the blockchain space,
transparency, like giving rewards back, extremely excited.
But most of them have never opened a wallet before.
And it's just very, it's intimidating for them.
So even like onboarding onto the blockchain space is
is difficult um and that's why for example we're working with like particle network for
account abstraction and you know things social login to even like get people who are not very
you know experienced in the crypto um uh crypto world um on like kite, for example. And so that's that's one side.
Then on the blockchain side, I think that the blockchain space is to me, it's like a
combination of fun.
People are here also to invest in like liquid assets or, you know, I think defies a very
big part of it.
And then gaming kind of gaming culture is also a huge part of it. And so trying to embed those. Yeah, exactly. Embed those key elements into AI, I think is a is a very important part when you think of how to develop a successful project.
Yeah. And that's broad and touches a lot of different verticals.
I think that's a challenge I see at Avalanche.
We're building blockchain infrastructure for almost any vertical.
And so identifying the focuses and helping them with their individual unique problems is a big thing.
Awesome. Well, I think we'll move on to predictions in the future if we're all good on
use cases currently. We've touched on some, definitely, in this conversation, like some of
where we think this is going, but does anyone want to drop any additional predictions for the future of AI and blockchain?
And I'd especially love to hear how Avalanche could help in that process of getting us there to the future. Maybe it can kick off because I can do it very shortly. I think that what Avalanche
has done quite nicely in the past years is really building a brand that is crypto but is not too
crypto. So one of the challenges
that lele kind of like touched upon is that there's an awareness problem but i think that
as crypto as a head of headless brand um we we kind of like have a brand problem as well so where
we all care about privacy ownership transparency the whole enchilada the outside world that's not inside of our bubble still often perceives us as
AI mean coin, highly speculative scams and so on.
Now, where does Avalanche fit in?
Well, Avalanche has spent a lot of time on building a brand that stays away from that part of the crypto world.
So I think as the world, the crypto space is maturing, as the blockchain space is maturing, and with that also the decentralized AI space is maturing, we will slowly start gaining much more credibility and we'll be because we have so many more people that will be talking about the right story.
They will be sharing the right stories.
They will be telling the story about why we do what we do.
So that's my hope at least.
Yeah, I think Avalanche as a community and Ava Labs and the foundation share a responsibility in trying to push the brand and the image
of crypto in a positive way.
And yeah, I for sure agree with that.
I can add something, Coop, as well, too, just to add on.
Because I think one thing that AVAX does as well, both on across every vertical, that's
Ava Labs, Avalanche Foundation, everything, is like the business
development. So it's like putting us all in the same specific group, right? I think when it comes
down to it, it's like sharing ideas is probably one of like, I think, especially within the
vertical of gaming, there's a lot of the same issues happening over and over and over again.
That doesn't usually come from like AVAX, right? I think you guys are very good at sharing
information across verticals, kind of like a quote on like a portfolio company per se. But like it's putting all of us
in the same room like this, but it's also you guys put us all in the same room in terms of like DMs
as well. And so it's like sharing that information and putting us into touch points. But it's also
you guys have some of the best like inbound as well, because I think it's the quality in which
that you guys attract. So I think from the future of like AI and blockchain in terms of avalanche
I just think it's a really good bet just for the fact that you guys have executed very well
and especially in the gaming vertical which I'm I am solely in as Coop knows and Daniel knows
you guys do it no better right in terms of getting name brands um but also like uh for guns is like a gun i keep
on saying guns but gun uh is on monday uh for yeah off the grid uh on monday and so that that stuff
but then you guys still have maple story like around the pipeline right and so in terms of that
those game studios have been working on ai for a long time uh before anybody has and so like ai
blockchain everything like that and all of them are doing something a little bit different. But it also just shows a testament of
like the quality in which that they have. So super excited about it to get off the grid,
as well as MapleStory on one chain, especially when everyone's trying to get the best ones.
There's a reason why they went to ABAC. So excited about it.
Yeah, the point you made earlier on, and like, we really are building a human network in addition to the like technical networks that exist here and connecting the people and making sure that they're collaborating has been super impactful for me. And it is something I see us doing a good job at. So even this, you know, like, maybe the four of you have never spoken to each other. Let's
bring them together, like get that introduction. I'm just being roasted in the comments that I'm
just as someone that just eats bad food. So I love it. Yeah. Um, all right, Nate, I think you
said you had something to add. Yeah. Someone also commented thinking I'm cranky on a beer.
This is club mate. Uh, this is boozeze-free. Our company was built on it. If
this didn't exist, our company wouldn't exist. It's that perfect mix of not energy drink.
Anyways, Avalanche, yes. For me, near and dear is all about sharding. How do you handle scaling?
A lot of these layer twos are going to run into the same problem that eth is going to have
as well they're just going to get bloated transaction transactions are going to get
more expensive and it's just going to be tough so the l1 direction i think is fascinating uh
curious to see the success of kite and what how that uh plays into it also curious to see how the
interoperability uh goes in um but as far as the future, so this might be too nerdy.
I'm a builder, but there's a new thing called MCP that's coming out.
It's this new way that basically all these agents are interacting with each other.
So extreme, extreme interoperability.
So our agent builder will be, we have our own MCP server,
which means you can basically build transactions from your coding terminal, right? You could do it. So it's just going to be, you build a tool, your agent will have pieces of it. It'll all get fired up in all these different worlds. Anyways, I'm going too deep, but MCP, look it up. It's just going to be interesting to see where that goes.
Anthropic created that standard.
So it's not just how you import agents,
but it's also how these agents are going to be talking with each other.
Yeah.
Yeah, I've seen some interesting demos of MCPs,
like plugging into Unity, for example, for game dev.
That's it.
Yeah.
All right, Leigh, did you have anything?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
I will say that, first of all,
we've had a great experience with Avalanche.
Same thing that Peyton said.
Exactly.
So if you build an Avalanche, it's an agent.
I'm sorry.
That's okay. I think you got a little lag because your video is
also a little a little sketchy but gaming baby back to gaming uh all right lay try again yeah
yeah no worries um yeah yeah basically just to echo what payden was saying we've really had a
great experience uh coming here.
You know, as soon as we joined, I felt like, you know, that whole Avalanche team just kept introducing people from different verticals to us, which was really helpful.
Because basically, you know, we are we're like AIL1.
AI, AI L1. So we're here basically looking for different partners. And Avalanche has always been,
So we're here basically looking for different partners.
you know, the legit players in the room, very, very clean reputation, which also really helps us
with, you know, a lot of our web two partners. But, you know, the institutional side is a very
interesting area that we haven't explored as much yet in terms of, you know, like who are the
financial institutions that we could have synergies with on the like AI agent side.
But gaming is a very interesting area. We started talking to some gaming projects,
definitely want to get to know more of the gaming space on Avalanche. And yeah, just really
had a great experience. i think the l1 story
really really played to us and that's ultimately the reason um on top of like the great team
uh and experience and how opening people how open and welcome people have been um in us joining the
ecosystem sorry i muted myself looks like we lost n, but yeah, agreed. It's really important.
Well, I think we're going to move to the Q&A section. I haven't seen many questions come in
on the comments for the live stream. So if you're there and you do have a question for this panel,
I think it's a rare opportunity to get to talk to so many of the great minds building this. So
please drop a question in there if you have a minute. While we wait for that, I see Nate's reconnecting here.
Daniel, I was wondering if you could give us an update on InfraBiddle and where we're at. Are we
looking for more applications? I know we have obviously gone through a great round already.
How's it going?
We're still taking applications, yes.
Weekly, we review them weekly.
And, you know, if you're a builder or thinking on building something related to AI,
we'd like to hear about you.
You know, it's...
And especially if you have, like, a very distinct idea.
Like, I think the AI space is super broad. so there is space for almost all sorts of applications.
But very curiously, I think we get too many of the same sometimes.
So if you have something that you have checked is interesting that no one else is doing,
we will love to hear about that.
What kind of stage
should they be in to to fit in for biddle i think it kind of depends we have funded like very early
stage uh to to to more uh mature products like some that are like barely starting and others
that have just kind of want to deploy on avalananche. So I think it really depends on
how innovative it is,
how much adoption you have.
So if it's not something that, you know,
there's already others of, then what we want
to see is that you really
are different,
are better, are further ahead.
But if it's something completely
novel that has nothing
to do with it, we would love to hear about you.
Yeah. And just a reminder, we do have a program partnership with Aether.
So Infobiddle is sort of a fast track to a larger opportunity with Aether for those projects that are further along.
So, yeah, it's great.
I think everyone with an idea should uh try to put their thoughts together
in a nice application and give it a shot because this is one of those spaces that
there's infinite opportunity and the the future companies are being made today and
and i i hope that we have a community that's not afraid to try and put that idea out there
because it could be something great and we're looking to
to help you along in that process cool well i didn't see any new questions come oh actually
just someone uh what is the time period it takes to receive a return application that daniel this
one's for you i think it really depends um but usually you know when you submit an application
it will get reviewed the week after you submit so when you submit an application, it will get reviewed the week after you submit.
So if you submit, for example, today, it will get reviewed probably by next Thursday, but you won't hear about it until next week.
And the result should be, you know, I mean, I guess it depends, right?
Like if it's very clearly a denial, you will hear from it sooner than if it's you know
if we are like looking for more information asking people for context like there is a whole process
here um and if if you guys um you know i i can go through the process as well so essentially you know
when you submit an application i get an email with your application i read through it i check whether
you know it fits the criteria,
it has all the documents that it has to read,
it's very high level, skim through it.
If you need to add something because it's empty
or some sections are completely missing,
I'll reach out to you.
Otherwise, I'll just send the application
to the selection committee
and the selection committee will have a look through it.
If they are interested, they will surely see the application and we will do some due diligence with the projects.
We'll meet with them, we will ask other people from the Ava Labs team what they think about this.
And you know, if everything looks good, we will move to the next stage and we will eventually approve it.
But yeah, this process in between can really depends
on the applications and how many questions we have.
So there is no hard rule, but...
Okay, cool.
I also just think to add to Daniel's thing,
cause I went through the whole thing,
Daniel was very useful when it comes to doing it.
I think a lot of it comes down to the KPIs and everything
like that too. I think that's something that I very much respect out of the AVAX Foundation,
so that they want legitimate builders coming in. And so there is things. I think Daniel was like,
hey, Peyton, what are these KPIs that you're going to be doing? And you just got to talk to
them. So I think that was something, at least just a tip for people. I got my application sent back
with Daniel. We just went through it. A lot of it comes down to the kpis and what you're trying
to drive uh which i very much respected because i wasn't going to shy away from it yeah thanks for
that like uh and that's a really good comment like this is something i want people to know like
the the the grants that we give are usually um backloaded meaning we request projects to reach certain milestones
before giving them we don't give like all the money up front because you can
then disappear with the money especially in crypto or you're like we want to be
more protected we also want to align with you in you know it towards get
making sure we are on the same page on towards what we want so you know we try
to set KPIs like, OK, so when
you reach this number of users, then that's
when this amount gets unlocked.
And so if you're submitting an application,
I think it's going to be very useful for us
if you can structure the application in that way,
where your budget is suggest some milestones or some KPIs that you think are meaningful for your budget, you suggest, you know, some milestones or some KPIs that you think are meaningful for your project,
some numbers and some, like, how you structure this.
And then from that, it's going to make it easier for us to evaluate your application,
to also, I guess, negotiate from there.
So it just makes, the whole process is going to be faster if you submit something with
KPIs and a clear
milestone based structure
yeah
that makes sense
it looks like we have somebody to check in on
in the comments as well
on their application
alright well I think that's
our agenda for today
we can close out with anything important
that's coming up for your project
or where to follow it if that's better.
For sure, I'll start.
Sorry.
In terms of that.
I'll do a very short shout out.
And then, so, you know, I think that the community,
but what I started out with, the community that we have is so incredibly important.
And I'm not asking anyone to buy a stake tokens because there's so much more that you can do.
So, you know, when you love decentralized AI, when you feel like, hey, wait a minute, there's something happening here.
If you don't have the resources to buy tokens and you stake them, you can still join the kite community.
You can still join the wolf or the beta communities.
So join those communities.
There's many small things that you can do
if you care about having the right to own your own AI.
If you care about the topic of data privacy,
share it with your friends, share it with your peers,
because there's so much more that we need to do
as a decentralized AI community.
And we need to do it as communities, not just us,
it's all of us and everyone that is part of this big movement.
So I would like to do a big shout out to the community,
join all these great projects and try to make sure that,
you know, you share the good side of the story
and the good stuff that we're building together. Love that oh peyton yeah peyton you're no leila goes first easy oh
mine is just really short uh just follow us at go kite ai if you want to know what we're up to
and uh yeah really huge shout out to coop for hosting hosting this and Daniel for being amazing on the Avalanche Foundation every week.
Sounds good.
Love it.
Hey, Peyton.
Yeah, so for me, it's super easy.
Just follow WolvesDAO.
Next in terms of our roadmap is launching the agent that should be coming here soon.
And then from there, the companion app, which is going to be a core crux of our business model for a very long time.
So super excited about that.
That's about it.
Also follow Coop, follow Daniel, follow everybody, follow everyone.
Yeah, that's it.
Yeah.
If you want to keep up with what's happening in AI, this is a good group.
Nate, are you able to present?
Let's see if I can keep this under 59 seconds.
That was the promise.
Am I showing my screen?
Maybe.
I don't see it.
I don't see it either.
Oh, I see it.
Hang on.
We're adding it to stage.
Here we go.
Cool.
Just messing around with the system.
There's a lot of people talking about agents.
We've got it up and running.
So what's fascinating, we've got the CalSwap Assistant and Uniswap, Deployee Saves, DCA Trading.
What's other fascinating pieces is we just slightly launched this agent builder where every agent is filled with a lot of tools.
agent builder where every agent is filled with a lot of tools.
And let's say you want to add some cow swap stuff and some cow coin gecko stuff like adding
charting and merging agents.
So here you can literally come in and build an agent just from grabbing different pieces
of the tool stack.
And it just adds the tools to it.
And then off you go and there's your agent. So I'm sure there's nothing like it that exists today,
which is quite exciting.
I'm done screencasting.
It's just, you know, just play with the stuff.
You know, let's stop talking about stuff.
Let's play with apps and own tokens
and mess around with things.
That's the most important thing to get involved.
Awesome. Thanks guys for your time thing to get involved. Awesome.
Thanks, guys, for your time.
I think this was great.
Great discussion on AI in general, where it's going,
how Avalanche plays a role in it.
And I'm looking forward to watching all of your projects grow over time
and doing another check-in soon.
I'm going to end the live stream.
Let's do it.
