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π¨ TARGET FUNDING TRANS CURRICULUMS IN SCHOOLS: The LGBTQ+ Discussion
Recorded: May 29, 2023 Duration: 3:41:15Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion covers various topics, including a Web 3 project launch, significant funding by Target to an organization, and emerging trends in LGBTQ identification among younger generations. These developments reflect broader societal shifts and the growing influence of Web 3 technologies and social issues.
Full Transcription
Let's get the invites out again.
I see you paid the internet bill now.
Nice joke, bro.
Maybe.
Hilarious joke.
Because Sleiman went out again.
Can you hear me, by the way?
Yeah, I can hear you fine.
Where are you?
Who's calling me now?
Salaamon over here telling me I'm getting paid by the LGBQ lobby.
Look, it was only 2.1 million.
Only 2.1 million.
Well, at least you're providing transparency for the audience.
Who was, what was that story with you?
The tranny, the guy that was, what was that thing that got money from a tranny?
And he started attacking him.
Remember that, Sully?
Yeah.
Don't name the person.
I'm not like you.
Just curious.
I was going to smash him.
Don't name the person.
I was going to smash him.
Okay.
What happened?
Yeah, yeah.
So it's basically some like conservative right wing Republican from Texas.
And essentially he received $20,000 worth of contributions to his campaign from a transgender person, which the question is like what impact?
Why is that, why is that an issue though?
Um, I, the only reason I spoke about it was cause of, like, hypocrisy.
Like, I didn't think, I don't actually think it's an issue.
But for people who were complaining about other people receiving funding and then saying
that that could control them, then that's an example of how, if you're using that argument
against somebody else, then use that argument against yourself.
And that means you're being controlled, even though you're meant to be a conservative
by maybe the leper, leftist transgender ideology.
That's pretty lame, bro.
You're lame, bro.
Do you not understand how hypocrisy works and self-contradiction works?
I suppose you don't because you are a self-contradiction in yourself.
It's a lame personal attack.
Just attack me.
All right, bro.
Cool.
I love how mature we are as co-hors are the biggest political debate, uncensored, blah, blah, blah.
That's true.
I was even thinking about the Rumble video and I was like flips, I just can't believe I said them like that I would never do that normally in public
Like the attacks on me? No, you deserve them. I'm a fault that I've been that I'm consistent on that
Someone acts like someone acts like an idiot you basically act like an idiot back, but no no I meant like just like some of the foul language I used to
Someone just messages me.
One of my best friends
he's listening to us now.
He's someone that always gives me feedback.
He says to me now,
look, I'll attack him back.
He says, bro, Sully's destroying you.
Fight back.
He's wiping the floor with your face.
No joke.
He just sent me that now.
What a...
Gee, what a G.
For the record.
My friends, bro.
Like, Mario, I'm not joking.
Like, I thought, I actually thought your friends would be, like, some weird lame-ass weaklings
like you, right?
But, like, on the Rumble video, Tarrick came on, and he was, like, literally a G.
And now this guy's a G.
Obviously, I'm a G.
Like, what is going on?
Tarik, you know, Tariq, is one of the...
He's stood by my side during the toughest of times.
Same as Bob and the other guys, you know.
And the guy that just gave me that critical feedback, that guy that sent me that feedback.
That's...
we've been through hell and back together.
But he's right.
I'm doing work in the background while you're attacking me,
so I didn't attack back.
And I don't,
I ignore silly persons.
what,
easy,
bro, easy,
easy, easy.
Look, your confidence really tripled in the last few days.
It's crazy.
You're getting so cocky.
It's insane.
But anyway, so today was an interesting idea just for the audience as we're, so just for my team, I've invited all the panelists.
If there's any issues, let me know.
Yes.
Sorry, I'm just messaging.
So we're getting the panel ready, but today,
So first, well, as we're organizing the panel, if there's anyone that's more on the, we do need people that will be backing us up more on the pro-LGBQ rights, LGBTQ rights, it's been hard to balance out the panel.
I've had people pull out that are more on the pro side.
And I'm willing to cancel a show rather than run it if I can't get balanced.
That's how important balances to us.
But going back to today, just while getting the panel organized, getting everything warmed up,
had an event today.
So I don't do physical events anymore, but we did it in my house.
And it was pretty interesting because it was a Web 3 events because my business is in Web 3.
And they, so I woke up, they were doing it on my balcony.
It was like maybe 100 people or so there.
and my business partner was running it.
And they were all sitting there,
and there's like two panelists on one of them.
And they played our video, the one on the website.
If you go to the website,
I think it's roundtable.
Live is the website.
It could be on my bio, I'm not sure.
But if you go on the website,
you can click on it and see there's a video there,
there's a video trailer of what we've done.
Have you watched it, Sully?
No, I haven't watched it,
but I just typed it in now to look correct.
You haven't watched your trailer video
that we have where we get all these big names praising us.
Or someone might have sent me one, like, early on, like an early edition, but I don't think I've seen the finalized one.
Yeah, I'll just, can you join this?
So I'm just trying messaging your panel to join last second just for balance.
So they played that trailer and it was just so emotional watching it.
And then obviously I got questioned.
But I got grilled in this interview.
I think I did well, but I got grilled.
Am I on the trailer?
No, no, none of you are, not even me.
It's mainly, that was before you even...
For fuck sake, man, you're starting to get annoying.
Just to be honest.
So the point I'm making is that it was beautiful to see the...
Just the amount of support and how much impact we're having,
like people in all industries around the world
listening to what we do.
And I got an idea after doing the tweet yesterday.
To do a physical event, I already spoke to an event
that's willing to help, organize it all,
to do a physical event and get both sides
of the political spectrum.
And get both sides of the political spectrum
into one event because you know the conservatives have their own events the liberals have their own
events but you don't get one where both come together there's not many where they both come together
so i'm i'll really want to do that and i think it kind of stands in line with uh what we do on the
roundtable so that's something we're doing i'm not sure where where should we do it in the states
nick
Where should we do the meetup?
So, I mean, you have three options here.
You only have three.
It's either Miami.
It's New York or it's Los Angeles.
That's it.
Which I think New York, New York could be the best one.
I actually just got two DMs saying Miami just instantly.
Miami is my second home.
Like, I spent a lot of time in Miami.
I love Miami.
But you think Miami's a better place to do it?
Yeah, I fucking hate New York and L.A.
So yeah, Miami's great.
So I'm sorry to all the New Yorkers here.
I was born in Jersey.
No, yeah, but I really, I have to be honest with you,
but I don't really care what you like or not.
What do you think is strategically a better option?
Well, damn, fuck you then.
Miami.
I still think Miami because, you know, it's like,
it's also, it's probably a lot more...
accessible in terms of the prices because there are a lot of flights that go to Florida that are cheaper.
I guess somebody wants to fly in. The hotels are cheaper than L.A. and New York City is very expensive, obviously, as we found out.
So I don't know. Miami is the place I'd go.
All right, we'll do it in Miami then, I think, if everyone else agrees.
All right, so we're going to kick off the topic.
Let me just send out a few more invites.
Again, if you're pro-LGBQ rights, DM me and request.
My team will check those DMs, just so we can try to balance out the panel last second.
Let me send out four more advice, people that were recommended.
Let me just send them out.
But Suli, you cover this topic pretty heavily.
Why are we covering it today?
What's that bill that you're referring to earlier?
Okay.
Yeah, so before I come on to that, there's a bit more latest news on that.
I'll just tell you a bit about that, if that's all right.
So it's not, it's about the LGBTQ.
So what happened is the president of Uganda signed an anti-gay bill on Monday
that basically includes the death penalty for people from the LGBTQ community.
So you had that, you had that law put in by the president of Uganda.
And then Ted Cruz, who is a conservative, he posted and said that any law criminalizing homosexuality on posing the death penalty for aggravated homosexuality is grotesque and an abomination.
Hold on on. Agravated homosexuality. What does that mean? Sully, you're there?
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Are you Googling it?
Well, what it'll be in is, I've not read the bill,
but I know the issue from, like, I know the issue.
So it'll be basically public displays of homosexuality where there is, you know, penetration.
It's fucking ridiculous.
And what was the Uganda?
What did Uganda do?
What's their real?
So obviously in that instance, the punishment for that is the death penalty.
Punishment for what is death penalty?
If you do what?
For what I've just explained.
Can you say it again?
Public display of homosexuality.
Yeah, but penetrative sex more specifically.
Okay, but penetrative sex privately or publicly?
Publicly, publicly, publicly.
You have to have four witnesses and so and so on so forth.
Okay, so if you have gay sex in front of others, at least we're moving in the right direction before I'm sure it was private, but that's fucking ridiculous, the death penalty. That's fucking crazy.
I've not read the bill, but this is what I know from the top of my head.
You know, and I remember when I go to countries like that and I see someone who's LGBTQ or someone who's transgender, I think they're, and maybe you disagree, guys, I think they're some of the most courageous people we could be.
Now, anyone could hate on me.
But it takes courage.
And I'm saying, I'm not saying someone that's going to, we're not going to get into the whole teaching kids and all that.
I'm not talking about this.
I'm not talking about today's issue.
I'm talking about someone who's just purely transgender.
They say freedom in a country and like openly transgender.
In a country that's so strict or it's got those stigma against such people.
It takes a lot of guts.
It takes a lot of guts.
Do you guys disagree?
Great disagreement.
Sully, Nick.
I'm talking about you guys before we go to the panel.
Man, I need you down, so much.
I'm, I'm glitching it. I couldn't hear.
All right. Sully, can you hear me? Is it you glitching out as well?
No, no, I can hear you, I can hear you, bro. I want to nick to answer first.
Man, I've got the biggest poises, guys, you want to answer or pretend both are you glitching?
If someone is transgender, this is, you guys are such chickens.
If someone is transgender, yeah, bullshit.
If someone is transgender in a country that's got that stigma against such people, would you consider that courage?
But I mean, it depends on how you frame it.
And look, I'll have to, you'll have to let me answer another question properly because
obviously if you stop me, interrupt me like halfway through, it may cause me problems.
So let me explain it properly.
So essentially, I mean, what you call courage, another person could call a criminal activity
because you're going against the laws of that country.
You're going against what is considered the,
the legal frameworks of that country.
Now, one can argue that those aren't the correct legal frameworks.
And just to let you know, I have written an article on this many years back
about how even within Islamic law, this punishment is too extreme.
And actually, it shouldn't be part of Islamic law.
And then I proved it and so on and so forth.
So just to give you the basis of where I'm coming from in case people think that I support it.
But for those countries that hold that position, even though I believe it's not Islamic,
If the ones who hold that position, that's the law of their country.
If you then decide to break the law, how does that make you courageous?
Well, not every, so if the law is unfair, then breaking that law doesn't lead to, like, there's some laws that we all agree are unfair.
Like anything that goes over people's freedom, for example.
So laws, like in the old days, laws that would not allow you to even be gay, like laws against homosexuality.
You mean people, so just abide by those laws?
So essentially, and this is kind of like a misnomer,
and I guess maybe the Ugandan president is doing it for headlines or whatever.
But normally how this law works within this framework is it's not just a law against
basically the LGBT community,
but any public displays
of penetrated sex results in the same punishment,
for example,
you're talking about punishment of death.
Punishment of death.
Not a fine.
Death.
No, I'm telling you.
No, bro, I'm explaining to you how I wrote a paper
explaining how that's wrong.
That's not within the frameworks of jurisprudence.
But separate to that,
even though I've written that paper for those people who hold that position,
even though I believe it's wrong,
for them that position isn't just for LGBTQ penetrative sex in public.
It's for also adultery in public and so on and so forth.
All right, so guys, just for the, I'm going to kick off the discussion.
Just anyone requesting to speak, please DM.
Ricardo and team, please make sure you check the DMs.
We do need people that are more pro-LGBQ rights.
I know that Rob, Sierra joined.
We've got Samson as well.
So I appreciate you guys joining.
We've got more coming in.
And of course, we got Oli, Kara and Jennifer.
Sully, what's up?
Yeah, just to finish the what happened today.
So Ted Cruz basically wrote a tweet against it
saying that all civilized nations should join together
and condemning this human rights abuse.
And then Jenna Ellis, who we had in the news about the Babylon B issue recently, remember she's pro dissenters, said,
I am tired of the Republican Party that jump at the chance to say anything pro-LGBQ.
Truth is not a wide net.
Did you earn enough walkpoint, Ted Cruz?
All right, let's kick off the discussion, man.
What's the first topic today?
What's the first bill?
Let's get into the agenda for today.
I mean, I'd like people to have a quick discussion on that if that's all, right?
Like, what people's thoughts?
Like, do you think Jenna Ellis is right that Ted Cruz is being too walk in his statement?
All right.
So, again, let me just be clear for the audience and for myself.
Now I'm not inviting anyone.
I just want to write it down.
So Ted Cruz's statement, if you can pin it above, says what exactly?
That we should condemn this.
And Uganda's law is death penalty for people that have gay sex in public.
that's right
does anyone support
what do you mean in public
in front of four people or more
apparently sully
yeah four witnesses
yeah and that's what I know from the top
I've not actually read the law
but I know I know where the law comes from
so if it comes from what I believe it is
which I'm most likely right
then that's what it will be yeah
does anyone think this is a fair
law to have
anyone on stage at all
nobody
so a contagent and Ellis
they're all woke
so contragena Ellis
wait really happy to be woke on this one
Yeah, exactly. I think anyone, I'd be surprised. Yeah, I'd be surprised like you could be against it. You could find them, which I think is stupid. Maybe even like a one week in jail, a month in jail, whatever, which I think is already too extreme. But the fucking death penalty is ridiculous. It's a 20 year present sentence for being gay.
Let me ask this to, you know, anybody on stage that actually knows about, you know, laws.
There's some laws in the Middle East that seem to be, at least this is what I've heard, I need you to confirm, that seem to be, you know, maybe a lot more brutal.
Maybe they've been changed.
You know, what's the status of that?
Are these the most strict laws against, you know, having...
Gay sex, I guess.
Nick, there is no country in the Middle East that says death penalty to people who are gay.
They would go put them in jail, try to reform them, but no one is going to kill them.
So I think this is the most strict rule ever.
So that should clarify that.
I just pinned in the nest Ted Cruz's woke tweet for everybody to see.
But here is the thing.
Who are we to dictate what another country's rules and what they do?
Okay, so, surely.
But this is a fair argument.
But like, okay, so if you see a country that's doing something that, that's abusing human rights,
don't we have a responsibility to...
So I'll be ready.
Well, Mario.
Sorry.
Yeah, sorry.
Actually, what you said is important.
So I'll specify and I'll clarify what the law is.
But you go ahead, sorry, Mario.
You're going to say about that.
Yeah, my point is, Shukri, is that us Western nations, as large countries, are we, are we not, you know, isn't it our responsibility to preserve human rights?
Now, obviously that line is very difficult to draw the, you know, there should be boundaries and, you know, getting too involved is not right either.
But at the same time, there's certain human rights that we should preserve.
and without getting any personal gain.
Obviously, an obvious example on one extreme is genocide.
That's something that we, in my opinion, we should stand against.
On the other extreme is, if we have a political bias,
we want to support one government over another,
that one is, you know, it's none of our business.
But then there's some things that are somewhere in the middle between those two extremes.
And, you know, in my opinion, something like what that Uganda policy dictates,
death penalty for people that have gay sex in public,
20 years in prison for being gay,
I think it's unethical not to get, not to get involved,
or at least pressure those countries to protect human rights.
Just to add a specification, Mario,
and to Mario's question,
because I still think it's an important question to answer for everybody.
What they're saying is,
it's not a death penalty for,
specifically for homosexuality.
That's a prison sentence.
20 years, yeah.
Yeah.
That sentence is public sex in front of four witnesses or more, no?
No, no, so I've read it.
So the death sentence was...
We're doing, having sexual relations with children, disabled people,
carried out into, like rape, basically, says under threat.
Rape under threat or someone who's unconscious.
Okay, that's very different to what he said before.
Before you said gay sex in front of three or more witnesses or four more witnesses.
Yeah, yeah.
No, I didn't change it.
I said you, I've not read it, but I know where the law comes from.
Bro, what do you mean?
You said initially it's gay sex in front of four or more people.
Now it's become rape with kids and disabled people.
Right, okay, this is the problem you see.
So you need to listen.
What I said was I've not read...
what this specific law was. And I know from the source of this law, when someone commits this act,
the sentence can be anything from, as they said, prison sentence up to death. Now, I've read this
paper, I've read the article specifically and they've specified that, yes, it is a prison sentence
so it is a punishable crime. But in addition to that, what they've specified is the death
sentence for those specific instances.
Maria, to answer your question, we don't have the moral authority to be dictating what other countries should do or don't do in human rights.
We are killing babies up to birth right now.
We are aborting babies up until birth.
So as an American, we do not have the moral authority to be involved.
So you'd compare abortion to genocide?
It's not a genocide.
They're making their own rules.
So let them make their own rules.
No, I'm not talking about this particular law in Uganda,
because obviously Islaman changes it every five minutes.
I'm talking in general.
If I go to one extreme, like we see genocide in a country.
Do you think we should get involved?
That's different. But in terms of their rulemaking, Uganda making their own rule in terms regarding this issue, it's not a...
So hold on, so Shukkri, you're saying if they make a law, okay, they're making law, that bans, that makes it, you know, that has a death penalty for just gay sex in general.
I know that's not the case. I'm just using it as an example. Do you think we should get involved and try to impact that or not?
Personally, I believe in mining our own business as Americans.
We have our own issues to attend to.
Okay, I think we should have turned out on issues, but at the same time, if we see something wrong, if we see certain human rights being abused, in my opinion.
Some people see the fact that you terminate children open until birth as a human rights violation.
But this is, yeah, but this is, okay, silly, but this one, abortion, you know, as Americans, the country is pretty split on abortion.
I don't know what the numbers are, but...
You would agree people are split on that topic.
Pro-life or pro-choice.
So pretendages in their country against gay sex?
No, no, I'm talking about...
Yeah, but if we look at...
If we look at...
I would look at the morals of...
No, we're more...
I wouldn't compare the ethics and the morals of countries like the US
to countries like Uganda.
Why?
Why?
I think...
I think because, because aren't we ahead of them?
Like, if we look at the laws in the US and the freedom of rights.
It doesn't seem like you are, to be very honest.
It does not seem like you are.
You mentioned.
So you're comparing our law.
Sorry, go ahead.
So you're talking about genocide.
So you don't think what's happening with the tens and thousands of abortions is a genocide.
When you're promoting it so much and making people think that they could do that up to childbirth.
that you don't think that's a genocide
look the debate
the debate the debate of pro-life
versus pro-choice is a fair debate
I think calling it genocide
in my opinion is a step too far
and it's not the same
it's not the same
but it's not the same as lining up
what I'm trying to say is that it's not the same
as lining up and I'm going to
a different definition of genocide
lining up people from a certain culture
because genocide is targeting
a certain cultural race
I think it also includes political ideology and trying to wipe it out.
So if you line up people that are of a certain religion and start killing them, murdering them, torturing them, I would consider that to be worse than abortion.
Well, the genocide here would be killing all these babies that you decide to carry along all the way to right before birth.
That, to me, is a genocide as well.
The only reason why I'm using that word, Mario, because you used it.
Now, I wouldn't use it.
I wanted to actually talk about the law that's happening in Uganda.
Let's say the first law that Salai Man said is the relevant one.
They've already gave you criteria of when it can be carried.
Why can't you just keep your pants at home?
Why can't you just do what you need to do at home?
So to me...
Yeah, it's fair, but it's fair, but Russia, it's a fair point.
I agree with you.
Like, do it at home, but is the death penalty the solution?
Again, I would not be the one to say it is, it isn't, but if this is the law for the country, again...
You can't say Russia, Russia, Russia, you can't say the death penalty is too far for this crime?
It is 100%.
You can't say you can't have an ethical compass to say killing those people.
It's a step too far for this crime.
I'm coming from an Islamic point of view just like Suleiman.
This is not something that would be accepted in Islam, 100%.
So I would not agree to that.
But again, if I am going to go into and say this is what Uganda is doing,
yeah, they gave you criteria of when you can or cannot do it.
Yes, 100% is harsh.
But I'm not going to sit and say anything in Canada or in the U.S. and so on when I've got so much crap going on.
And by the way, in Africa as well, what are the laws in mining?
What are the laws of all the things that are happening around in Africa?
There's a whole lot.
So if we're going to pick and choose, we might as well open a subject on all of them, right?
So I'm ready to talk about the curriculum just to let you know.
I mean, she smashed you there, Mario.
No, no, she didn't. I want to look up some Ugandan laws and try to bring up to it.
I know we're going to talk about the curriculum here in the US, but I want to look at some
laws in Uganda and compare them to the US, because comparing Uganda and where they are compared to the...
Just to put out here, I mean, Uganda is one of the most developed African nations.
Just going to throw it out there in terms of...
I've got an energy business that's looking to get into Uganda, one of the most sophisticated markets in Africa.
So...
put that with a guise in its head.
The government there is not stupid.
And as your,
stupid is the wrong word,
but it's a sophisticated
and developing African nation.
It's not,
you know,
Somalia.
Well, Somalia is also not.
as a third world country right now, but Mario, Uganda is not as what you think.
And figuring out, doing a comparison, analysis between the U.S. and Uganda,
doesn't add to it or take away anything in their...
lawmaking and what they decided. Yeah, it is heinous to condemn someone to death in terms of my
Islamic beliefs. But at the same time, we don't have the moral authority. We're castrating little
kids. We are looting and stealing and corrupting this country in daylight.
So who are we to condemn them?
By thinking that's how geopolitics works,
I'm just going to throw this in here.
That's not how the world works.
Everybody condemns everyone.
You don't have to have the moral authority
of complete perfection in order to condemn each other's actions.
China condemns us as much as we condemn them.
etc etc so that's part of give and take that's the that's the ideological difference of it for example
you know i have a huge amount of respect for people who are religious i'm not religious
but islam criticizes christianity christianity is criticizes islam and none
That's not true. That's not true.
But it is true. Christians and people from both sides criticize each other all the time.
That's because they have slight or complete differences depending on their opinions.
And they're entitled to that. And they're entitled to their views.
Define, criticize. When you're saying criticize, how is it criticized? Define it.
So how are these two religions criticizing each other if you can just explain since you mentioned it?
I'm not going to go into the details of religious because I don't know.
No, because you said it.
But you bring that up.
No, no, no, no, wait, wait, wait, wait.
Let me finish before you jump down my neck.
So I'm just saying, you know, people have differences when it comes to cultural differences.
They have differences when they come to geopolitical differences.
National leagues, for example, I'm English and I hate the French.
So I've no justifiable reason to hate the French, but I do.
And so that's the ingrained culture as an example.
So you don't have to have a complete moral authority
in order to question individual things that are outside of what you would accept.
You don't have to be perfect.
See, Rob, that's not logical.
I mean, you, I mean, it is a right, Russia.
Yeah.
So a couple of points.
First of all, I mean, you may hate the French,
but I think that's a bit of an abnormal thing to do
to hit the French and Kurohmuramuron times.
Essentially, what you're thinking is...
I mean, I'm not sure where you're joking and when you're not easily because a lot of your points are not very strong.
So when you talked about and you gave the example of Islam and Christianity, why you're fundamentally flawed and your argument is quite ridiculous to be fair is because people use these tropes in order to cause division amongst these religions.
Their differences, if there are any, are very minor and they're.
There's much more...
That's my point.
That's my point.
Well, the difference between...
You've just admitted that there are differences
and there are...
The difference...
Even if they're might.
And you don't have to be perfect.
Rob, Rob, the difference between Christianity and Judaism
is a lot more, but obviously you didn't mention that.
And so, essentially...
My point is...
I think you do need lectures on that thing.
I think you do need lectures on it,
because when you're coming on this platform,
saying it does cause division
and you would not say it about any of the religion.
No, I'm just...
I was giving an example.
I'm happy to go back to geopolitics.
China and the United States are very similar,
for example, in terms of their economic outputs
and intentions, and yet you...
You don't think the Chinese have moral authority or the United States as moral authority.
They can argue with each other without being perfect, as my argument.
No, no, I'm specifically talking about your point about the religions.
And I'm saying when it comes to monotheistic religions,
They're very similar.
And the reason why I'm calling you out on it is because I understand it's quite,
it's something used to cause division amongst these religions and what you're saying is wrong.
Yeah, but just to,
just to chime in here,
the point that Shukri and Russia is saying is basically because the United States or if you yourself
or have some,
some issues or some moral problems,
then you have no right to speak or criticize other people.
First of all,
I would assume that Shuk,
Shukri and Russia are already perfect.
They must have all their issues perfect
so they wouldn't be able to criticize
the United States or anyone else or anyone else
other than them because they themselves
are so flawless.
Second of all, I think if it's fair,
I think if it's fair
for people to criticize the United States, I agree.
I mean, there's always people on
in Twitter who said, you have no right to speak.
You have no right to speak because you're a man.
You have no right to speak because you're black or you're gay or not gay.
You're no right to speak because of this.
No, nobody's going there.
Everyone has the rights to voice their opinion on anything.
And Ted Cruz, although I do scream about many things,
says every right to criticize Uganda here because he is a human being
and he has the right to opinion.
Just as you have a right to your opinion, Russia and Shukri,
of course you do.
So to say that people don't have the right to criticize because...
United Nations.
It's a ridiculous point.
It is a ridiculous point of view.
It is ridiculous.
And we all,
like the baseline of this conversation should be,
everyone has the right to voice their opinion on this issue,
no matter who they are,
no matter what they come from,
no what they look like,
they have the right to have an opinion in voices.
Mickey.
But as America.
we are so historically known
to be meddling in other
foreign nations businesses.
You're right. No other countries.
We do. We do. As a politician to speak
on another country, they are
meddling. And
Ted Cruz or Joe Biden,
I'm sorry, it's not about not having a
right. It's about the fact that
historically we are a nation
known. No, we are a nation known
to meddle in other foreign
nations
nations,
lawmaking or political affairs.
And no, and no, we do not have a moral authority to be judging, condemning, sanctioning other nations when we are aborting babies up to birth.
We do not have encastrating five-year-olds.
We do not have that moral authority.
You can have any right you want to and speak of it.
But when you're a politician and you take that stance and you call out another nation, yeah, you're going to get, you know, called out yourself.
Let me, let me, let me, let me make a point, but sorry, Mario.
So another point is nobody's saying that they don't have a right to speak.
So Ted Cruz, of course, he can, I think he can say what he wants.
And then what I can do is basically clearly identify the hypocrisy in his statement
that basically he lives in a country.
which is basically murdering babies up until birth and is basically providing like basically
transit surgery for people who've got severe mental health issues.
So Suli, Sili, Sili, I want to read out, I'm just looked at the Ugandan law.
So I know this is not the topic of the discussion and we're going to move to the to the target
funding trans curriculums and schools, which I don't know how we pivoted to Uganda, Sully,
but let me read out the bill.
So these are the points that are included in the bill.
A person who is convicted of grooming or trafficking children
for purposes of engaging them in homosexual activities faces life in prison.
So that's one. That one seems less debatable, obviously.
The second one, individuals or institutions with support or fund LGBT rights, activities, or organizations.
Or publish, broadcast, or distribute pro-gay media material and literature also face prosecution and imprisonment.
That means if you're a media company and you distribute gay content, you face prosecution and imprisonment.
So I think this one most, if not all of us would agree, is unfair.
You know, people have the freedom to choose whether they want to be gay or not.
And publishing gay media should be freedom of the press.
Number three, media groups, journalists and publishers face prosecutions and imprisonment,
prosecution and imprisonment for publishing, broadcasting, distribution of any content that advocates for gay rights or promotes homosexuality.
So I think these, and Uganda's already improved significantly over the last few decades.
And anyone, you know, if I'm wrong there, Rob, because I know you have experience, they let me know, but I know that they've improved.
But they do have a place to go.
And then the last one is death penalty for what is described is aggravated homosexuality.
It's less abusing a child or personal disability.
That one is less debatable.
And last one is property owners also face risk of being jailed if their premises are used as a brothel for homosexual acts or any other sexual minorities' rights activities.
that one is still debatable for homosexual act.
But I think that the two of them is...
Any organization that supports or funds LGBT rights or media groups that publish, broadcasts,
or distribute any content that advocates for gay rights, for gay rights, not even pornography, just gay rights.
So those are many steps ahead in comparison to freedom of the press in the US and West.
And, you know, Shukri, there's a lot of imperfections in the West.
And again, we've highlighted them more than most.
But that doesn't mean the West could be compared with countries that are multiple steps behind us.
Just on that, Mario, there is a massive difference between an economic development of a country
and then comparing how they go about enforcing legislation or their moral position.
So I would clarify, for example, the West might look unfavorably on the Middle East on some of its policies.
However, it's really, really anti the Middle East to just,
to say that it's not progressive because if you've ever been to the Middle East, economically, they are a much better place than we are.
You know, unemployment is massively lower. So I think we need to detach the development of a nation economically from our discussions about their legislation processes and their lot, just to clarify on that.
All right, guys, so just Suli, I want to kick off to let you introduce the topic, which is target funding, the curriculum in schools.
So I would love you to give us an overview.
But in the meantime, for the panelist, I think you've all been here before, just a reminder.
Feel free to jump in any time, but just put your hand up.
when you want to jump in if you prefer that.
But let's get into the curriculum here in the US and US schools.
What's the debate?
What's the issue, Suli?
Yeah, yeah.
So I'll mention some of this.
So for example, Nebraska lawn bakers on Friday passed a bill.
Okay.
that basically put restrictions on gender affirming medical care for transgender youth.
And then in Montana, it became the fourth state to pass a law defining sex as strictly male or female and unchangeable.
And then that raised concerns from the LGBT advocates who see such legislation as the next trend in Republican bills.
that limit and target the transgender community.
And then specifically the issue in terms of target,
I'm going to pass it over to Nick because I know he's been posting about.
Nick, what's the specific issue about Target?
I know it's got to do with the owner, the CEO of Target.
I'll let you explain it in more detail.
Well, it's not the CEO of Target.
It is the vice president of brand marketing.
Obviously, we've seen, a lot of people have seen over the past several days, especially.
There was a video that came out that got millions of views talking about this clothing that was being marketed to children.
That was pro-LBGT.
What's, can you, Nick, what's pro-LGBQ or LGBT clothing?
Can you explain that?
Well, so basically you have clothing in the store.
It was actually a lot of these stores, it was right as you walk in in the kids section.
It was right in the front.
And, you know, and so they'd have slogans on it, such as, you know, trans people are people too and whatever.
And, I mean, the sizes of the clothing was marketed.
toward, you know, three, four, five year olds, right?
And so people had, you know, were kind of up in arms over that.
There were also something called, uh, tuck clothing, which, you know, I don't want to go too
far into, but, you know, it's something that you might have to tuck in if you're transgender
or whatever.
Um, it.
and when you're marketing that stuff to children, that really pissed off a lot of the right.
And so today, we heard that that vice president of brand marketing at Target is also the
treasurer for GLSEN, which is Target's Pride Month partner who worked to put these displays up,
worked to put these products in the store itself. And GLSEN, that are
that organization is pushing for school districts
to adopt policies that will hide from parents,
their child's in school gender transition,
such as if a child comes out and, you know,
they talk to a counselor or something about, you know,
maybe thinking that they should be the opposite gender,
they're going to hide that from the parents, right?
They're also providing, like, free sexually explicit books
in these schools to provide to these children as well as,
trying to build gender ideologies into curriculums, including subjects such as math.
So, you know, can you explain how can they add gender discussions into math? I don't understand.
Well, I don't know that specific answer because I haven't seen the curriculum, but it does say that on their website.
So that is...
I can explain that.
I'm just going based on what they...
So I can explain that, Nick.
So in the UK, and in all schools, they have this, where you teach a specific core subject like maths or literacy, and then you incorporate other...
other subjects into it.
So for example, now,
one major push in the UK
before LGBTQ ideas came into,
you know,
the push from LGBTQ,
LGBTQ,
LGBTQ,
pushed came into schools was this notion that you want to incorporate literacy into every subject.
So the way you would incorporate LGBTQ into every subject is, for example, in maths,
let me give you an example in maths. In maths, you could basically have it where, you know,
you'll solve problems and it's got to do with questions that relate to the LGBTQ community.
You might be able to have certain like tasks, which again, I've got to do with certain
LGBTQ ideas. So there's any kind of ideology or doctrine you can incorporate into any subject.
Yeah, for example, you could have like, I think one of the questions I saw in the UK was referring to, you know, in primary schools, I think it was, you know, Abdul has five apples and his husband has seven.
You know, that type of, it's quite subtle, or can be quite subtle in that sense, not that I've got an opinion on that, but that's an example of it.
Yeah, so Brian, I want to bring you in here just for a second.
Why do you think this needs to be a part of the curriculum,
especially with math, as Swayman just discussed a little bit?
So give me your opinion on that.
Yeah, so like, I don't know exactly what the organization was advocating for,
but I know some of it was like just putting different...
pronouns, I guess, into math problems. So they're advocating for using they instead of he or
she in some cases. I don't know. I don't think it's really necessary, but it also, I think they're
advocating for just more of an inclusive environment so that if there is a gay student or somebody
that considers themselves transgender, I think that at least...
at least they feel more welcomed into school.
So it's just inclusion.
I do want to just touch on the target thing
because a lot of the information kind of got skewed, I think.
So most of it started with a TikTok video
where you had somebody in a target
and they were showing like tuck clothing in the child section.
But what it was was that it was an adult piece of clothing.
that they found in the child section that was tuck clothing.
So it appeared, at least to me, would make me think that somebody placed it there,
somebody moved it there, somebody grabbed it and put it there,
maybe the person making a TikTok video put it there.
It wasn't in a child's piece of clothing that they're selling that allows for tuck
or whatever you're calling it.
So I think there was some misinformation around that.
Now, they were selling children's clothes that were pro-pride, so like gay pride stuff,
to children, like children's clothes that said things like rainbows and pride on them, right?
But I don't have a problem with that.
I think that, like, so what?
I mean, there's plenty of parents that are two gay dads that have a kid.
If they want to dress their kid in a rainbow shirt that says pride on it, that's not bothering me.
That shouldn't bother anybody.
Yeah, but Brian, does that include a three-year-old too?
Yeah.
Some of these sizes are specifically geared to like three, four, five-year-olds, so.
Yeah, yeah, so, so, yeah, so there were three-year-old shirts that had a rainbow and said pride on them.
Like, I don't see a problem with that.
Like, what if, what if there's two gay dads who are happily married, they are, they are happy to be gay dads, and they want to dress their kid in a rainbow that says pride on it?
I mean, is that hurting anybody?
Yeah.
Okay, well, okay, so let's move on just a little bit to what Target is actually funding this organization that is pushing policies to school districts that would hide from policy.
from parents, their child's in school, gender transition,
provide sexually explicit books,
enforce gender ideologies, and their curriculums.
The first point is the one that is the most concerning.
We're talking about K through 12 schools here,
kindergarten through 12th grade.
Is that appropriate?
Should you be hiding this stuff from the parents?
You know, because there might be something.
Gender dysphoria is a problem with a lot of people,
and these are very young kids.
So I think they answer, like I don't think they should be hiding from the parents, especially really young kids like that.
If there's like a eight-year-old that thinks that they're a female when they're male and, and,
They're telling a teacher and a teacher is not telling a child, I telling a parent.
I think that I would understand people being upset about that.
Now, if it was maybe a 16-year-old or 17-year-old that was confiding in a teacher because their parents are maybe anti-whatever they are and they don't feel comfortable and they just want somebody talk to as kind of like a counselor, I could understand that.
But if it's young like that, I would, I understand.
Okay, so, Ali, let me bring you in here because you are, you're kind of on the, you wrote a book actually on this called Gender Madness.
So I want your opinion on this.
We're talking about, you know, hiding, you know, transgender or a child being, you know, as young as kindergarten being transgender from their parents, so.
What do you think?
Right.
Well, it's just a...
Right.
Well, I just think all of this with the target stuff,
they have the Pride Collection targeting kids.
You had just the other day,
there was a Transformers cartoon that was...
was introducing pronouns, non-binary characters.
And now you have, obviously, this target is funding this organisation.
They gave them $2.1 million.
And they're now hiding the gender identities of children from their parents.
And I just think it's part of a concerted push to corrupt children to confuse them from a young age.
I mean, like we had the baby wearing target, we have all of these things together targeting younger and younger children because at the end of the day, they want these kids to end up confused.
They want them to end up in the medical system so they're, you know, a customer's a big farmer for life.
And we shouldn't be doing that.
And, you know, Brum made a good point about if someone's six years.
You dropped out.
You there?
No, sometimes.
Yeah.
Oh, sorry, am I still here?
Yeah, I'm going to glitched in it out.
But I had a question.
Did you say that, so you said Target is, now you could be against Target doing this.
That's one discussion, but did you say that Target is intentionally doing this so kids want to change their gender and get into the medical system?
I'm saying that it's all part of a concerted push.
So all of this gender ideology push is being pushed by an LGBT lobby group,
the Human Rights Campaign, which has the corporate equality index.
So they're going around to all the companies like Target
and giving them this perfect 100 score if they push all of this gender ideology
onto consumers and that includes children.
So when you've got these lobby groups.
Sorry, Odie, what's that score?
So what benefit do they get if they get that score?
So basically, it's called the Corporate Equality Index, and it's run by the Human Rights Campaign, the largest LGBT lobby group.
And basically, most of the investors are on board with this scoreboard.
So if the company doesn't abide by the score, they get a low score.
Investors will put pressure on them.
Investors might pull out of these Fortune 500 companies.
Yes.
they basically get a lot of pressure that they have to
kind of cave in and, you know, push this
ideology in order to get
that score. Otherwise, you know,
you know, the investors will pull out. So
We have that pressure and, you know, targets a part of that group with the corporate equality
index. So, as we're seeing, they're all doing it at the same time, Budlites pushing this,
all of these different brands. So that is what's behind it. And this lobby group are also
pushing for gender affirming care or minors. They are lobbying for that in different states. So,
you know, when you look at them as the source of most of this, that's why, you know, I said it's
pushing kids into the medical system because the,
Same company.
Not to interrupt you on purpose here, Ali, but specifically on that target point, I do understand
what you're saying about the scoring system, although I don't really see any economic
benefit for investors to abide by that system.
So I'm not too sure if that's actually a factor.
I think the primary factor for Target doing this will be because they think they can
sell more product.
That's fundamentally it. It's profit motivated. And the minute it's not profitable, they won't do it anymore. So at the moment, they believe it's profitable. Clearly it has been year on year because they keep on putting it further and further to the front of the store, which is what everybody does. Notice that.
at Christmas, it's all Christmas stuff.
That's because Christmas stuff sells at Christmas, for example.
So I'm imagining LGBTQ stuff sells in June because it's LTPQ month.
So it's an acronym, isn't it?
But it's purely profit driving.
I wouldn't buy into the investor theory.
Most of these investors are index fund related anyway, and they don't give a crap about any score, ESG or otherwise.
I'm going to jump in real quick and say I definitely agree with Ali on the fact that I definitely think there is almost like an agenda being pushed to get the youth, like younger kids involved in this, because I am a gay person.
It wasn't like this.
Well, it's not just Target, but I mean, Target is a big corporation, and I mean, we already see how people are responding to it, like just in mass here in the country, in the U.S.,
but like give me the executives of those companies are there to make profit what's the profit drive it seems to me like a huge headache for not a lot of upside for them that the only thing that makes sense to me is profit on product not pushing a bigger agenda fine to get scores but where's the economic incentive for them to push that score in order for them to drive their share price up because it won't make enough of a difference in a company that size I'm not not to dismiss your point I'm just sort of trying to work out the technicals of what you're trying to say because it doesn't make sense to me
That's something I think we should look more into, but I mean, I think that it's, you can clearly see like it's an agenda being driven.
It's like a political agenda being driven that's funding these stores and these corporations to do this to kind of push this agenda.
And especially on the kids, it's almost like an aggressive push to eradicate gender, which is what I think is happening in the United States.
I think do not put down to conspiracy what can be adequately explained by profit.
This is what I mean.
Rob, this is a discussion.
This is interesting.
So, me and Suli always have a debate.
Yes.
Can't be.
Mario.
My mic muted.
My mic muted by itself.
Yes,
so what I'm saying,
me and surely debate all the time,
profit versus values.
And guys,
don't underestimate the importance
of money at the end of the day.
These companies are public companies
that have shareholders to satisfy.
And while they might have values
and that many of you disagree with,
their decisions,
you know,
will be led by money-making.
Now, I'm sure there's going to be decisions impacted by values,
but it's not going to be more important than making money.
Let me edify that, Mario.
The mainstream media used to be really pro-free speech and free press,
and I think that's changed quite a lot to comfort advertisers,
and that's why you exist, right?
Mario should not exist in a system where free speech has been free.
The reason that these forums are doing so well...
Bro, bro, don't attack Mario, it's...
Well, I'm just, I'm not, I'm not shunning them too much.
But like the, the point is these shouldn't exist, this whole area shouldn't exist, because if free speech had been kept free and the freedom of the press had been kept free and it hadn't been tainted by advertisers for profit, to my point, we wouldn't need this.
And so all of these companies are motivated.
primarily by bottom line. I'm in business. I'm motivated by the bottom line. There's things that
you're like if you look in a boardroom scenario, decisions that you make are primarily in order to make
investment returns. Now, you can argue whether or not a company should be adopting what you
believe is a political stance for profit. And that's a fair argument to have. And I'm happy to have that argument.
But in order to drag this out to a wider conspiracy specifically with Target, I think is a bit of a stretch.
I think those executives see an opportunity where lots of people are looking to engage with one particular thing for a month like Christmas.
Let me bring in car.
They push products for a profit.
Yeah, let me bring in Kara. Kara, I mean, we're going to talk specifically about schools in a bit,
but essentially the argument that Mario and Rob are making is that these companies,
so for example, now we see companies like Disney, a lot of these companies proliferate in these ideas and thoughts.
One thinks or one believes that this is an ideological, a way of ideologically controlling the public
to infiltrate certain ideas and thoughts.
Now, Mario's and Rob's argument is that no, it's not about that.
It's essentially about the profit and that's all they care about.
So my question is...
No, you put words in my mouth.
I said values do play a role, but not as...
I don't think he's even close as much as profit.
For them, money matters more than their values.
Okay, so he's clarified, like...
in terms of being a bit more specific.
So, I mean, what's your thoughts on that?
Yeah, thanks.
I mean, I do think that money matters to them more than their values,
but I don't think that stops them from pushing an ideological agenda.
And I 100% agree with what Ali was saying about HRC.
The Corporate Equality Index...
allows companies to put the HRC stamp of approval on their marketing.
And so what that gets them, the answer to the question of what that gets them, is that
the vast majority of Americans still think that HRC is an organization for lesbian and gay
rights.
It's not.
HRC has become an organization devoted exclusively to pushing a, quote, gender identity agenda
on all Americans and people all over the world.
And it really is a very serious thing.
And I just wanted to add to what Brian was saying earlier,
I think most of us probably don't care
if two gay dads wanna dress their kid
in a pride outfit.
But to me, that's very different from Target
centering its pride stuff front and center in the store.
And I appreciate Brian's clarification about the tucking thing
because I had not realized that it was an adult bathing suit.
I also thought that it was a kid's bathing suit,
basically being marketed to boys, right?
And I think that's the thing that got people so outraged.
I think it was the tucking thing more than the general topic that got people so outraged.
But I really, really wish that more people understood that...
gay and gender identity are very, very different things. And most Americans still don't understand that.
And I know I need to shut up. But I just wanted to go back to Mario's original framing of wanting to have balance on this panel, which I totally appreciate.
And I understand the reasons why it's so hard to have balance on the panel because people like Eli Erlich don't want to talk to people like me. But
I don't like the framing as pro-LGBQ versus anti-LGBQ because people who sit in my side of the political arena are very much in favor of rights for lesbians, gays, and bisexual people.
And our concerns are with the indoctrination of our entire society with the notion of, quote, gender identity.
Thank you.
Okay, so let me jump to Ed real quick.
So Ed, you have your hand up, so I'll let you make whatever point you want to make.
But how young is too young for this?
Because you can't even, the age of consent in most states of the United States is,
is 16, right? You have to be 18 to vote and your brain is not even fully matured until 25, but,
so why can you make the decision, you know, before you even go through puberty to allow your child
to, you know, even potentially have a surgical procedure?
Yeah, I don't think most people, and that includes liberals, are pro-surgery for anybody under 18.
I don't think most...
Quick question.
I'm not seeing much support for it.
I'm actually curious, Ed.
Why is it legal?
Where is the support coming from?
I'm genuinely curious.
They're trying to push, push the idea.
I think if there was a law.
I think if there's a law that only said no surgeries...
for transgender under 18, I think it would probably get approved.
But why isn't it there? Why the laws of it?
So I think what Republicans are doing is they're combining that with no puberty blockers under 18
and no hormones under 18. And that's more debatable. And I think probably most liberals would be like,
okay, puberty blockers under 18, you just want to put it off until they hit 18, that's okay.
And then if you go to hormones, I mean, you're going to have less people that support hormones.
And with surgeries, virtually no liberals.
I mean, there's some.
But I'd say, you know, let's say 80 to 90 percent of liberals don't agree with surgeries.
And there's only like a couple hundred surgeries every year.
And they're mostly on female breasts being removed.
It's not on actual like penises, reginas being surgically operated on under 18.
Okay, so penises and vaginas.
Sorry, go ahead, Nick.
Well, before you even go through puberty, though, because you're not sexually, you know, obviously that's the whole point of puberty as being sexually mature.
How do you even know who you like?
That's a fair argument.
But so as a father, if my, like, if my son came to me and said...
I think I want to be a girl, dad. I have a son. And he was, let's say, 13 years old. I would be like, okay, this is, you know, a really, really tough situation. And I don't, I mean, most likely I'd be like, okay, just let's wait until you're 18 and, you know, then you can have that decision. But at the same time, there's parents who make that decision and say, wait until you're 18. And then...
Those kids still, those adults still want to be the opposite sex.
And at that point, they already started getting, let's say it's a female, they already started getting the, you know, facial hair, and they already started getting the deep voice and the Adams apple.
And that parent is like their parent might be regretting that they didn't allow their child to, you know, start blocking those, blocking the hormones with puberty blockers and allow them to decide later in life.
Because if they could decide later in life, they would have.
been more of what they wanted to be.
So as a father, right now I'd say, if my son said, I'd say, wait until you're 18, but I don't know.
Like, if I talk to a doctor and a psychologist at that point in time, I can't say with 100% certainty.
I'd say, wait until you're 18, because if I felt...
you know, 95% confident that that's what they're going to want when they become an adult,
and I could help make their adult life better, I think I might say, okay, puberty blockers,
hormones for the opposite sex.
I'm sorry.
I'm going to jump to, I'm going to ask you.
I had one more question.
Then I'm going to jump to Jennifer.
I promise I'll get to you, Tommy.
But you know, you're talking about maybe you wish you would have made their adult life better at that point based on how they felt at the time.
But the transgender suicide rate is so high.
Can I, can I, sorry, sorry, really don't interrupt.
Just one thing on that earlier point, Nick.
The one thing someone sent me now is the sex change results are much better the earlier you do it.
So someone that doesn't want to come up on stage, but they're kind of giving the other point, the other side of the argument.
So I thought I'd mention it.
So what happens after they do that surgery and regret it?
Mario, because there's a lot of them that do.
So let's say at 12 and 13 years old, they decide, you know what, this is what I want to be.
And they don't have a clue who the hell they are.
They can't vote.
Nick made it very clear.
You can't vote.
You can't drink.
You can't do any of those things.
Yeah, at 13, at 13, you can make up this decision.
Suddenly.
Surgery is in place at 13.
No, but he, he, but Mario just said, because he got a message saying that you get better results, because you were saying,
but it's not referring, they're never, they're not referring to surgeries though. Yeah. Yeah. Puberty blockers or other
therapies. You can shut off puberty, right? And say, okay, my son wants to shut off puberty and wait until he's older to make that decision.
Even, and most of the time, puberty blockers are usually reversible.
Like, it's like crazy results.
Like, I don't, I don't want to say 99% of time, but it's pretty high where it's, it's
mostly reversible.
And when it's reversible, you just stop puberty blockers and then puberty hits in and you
start getting those hormones.
So, so, I mean, I'm sure, like, every parent would want to talk to a doctor and see what,
what they think the odds of that would be.
And I think, like, I don't know if.
politicians should be saying what's black and white and what should be done.
I think it should be between a parent, their child, a psychologist, and their doctors, and hopefully multiple psychologists.
Okay, but Ed, if you're saying it should be between the parent and the kid, how can you say that,
that schools should be hindis.
I don't think surgeries should be.
Like, I don't want to be misinterpreted there.
I think puberty blockers should be.
And as far as hormones go, I'm kind of iffy on that.
Okay, so you disagree with the entire point of a transgender agenda maybe, or hiding it from the parents in school.
If a child, if a 10-year-old goes to the counselor and says, I think I want to be a girl.
Hiding it from parents is the idea that you could hide something from a parent of a 10-year-old.
should be a crime. I mean, that's absolutely, if my child was in a position where a teacher thought it was their job to tell me how to parent my child and that they thought it was in my interest or the child's interest not to divulge that information, even if you kept the child's confidence, right, I can keep the child's confidence because I don't want to break that line of trust if that's not, if they're not,
not communicating that to me is, I mean, borderline child abuse, that is absolutely outrageous,
like that anybody would do that. It should be completely illegal and the teacher who does it
should be reprimanded for that. I would be outraged if that had happened. But then again,
I wouldn't be, you know, necessarily. Rob, you're from the UK though, so in the UK.
essentially teaching pro-LGBIDs in school is law.
If you're, for example, you have some issue with it
and that is basically escalated enough,
you could lose your children.
So your children aren't really your children.
That's not quite what that point was,
but it was a nice flex on UK policy.
No, no, it was that point.
Let me explain why, Rob.
Because your argument essentially is based or is foundational on the idea that they're your children before the state's children.
That if something is hidden from you, that's a travesty.
And I'm saying in the UK, their policy actually highlights the notion and the idea that in reality they are more the state's children than your children.
But specifically on that point, I've had this, you know, not necessarily around transgenderism, but with my children on other things.
It's an obligation for those people to disclose certain things to parents.
Now, you're talking about curriculum, that's a perfectly legitimate thing, but on specifically on issues the child brings up, it's a moral imperative that that's told to the parent and that is policy in the UK.
The policy in the UK is that that relationship and sex education curriculum has to be taught to the children.
As this parent, obviously, you can ask what's in that curriculum for sure.
But if you basically have contention with that curriculum, you are not going to be able to supersede what the curriculum is studied.
No, okay, we're talking cross purposes.
Specifically, if my child goes to a teacher and raises issues surrounding whatever,
it doesn't matter what it is, actually, in terms of any sort of disclosure that to do with that child's welfare,
the teachers have to tell you in the UK.
I do agree around curriculum.
I'm not arguing about that point.
So if your child went to a teacher and said to basically my father, Rob,
is anti-LGBQ.
He is basically promoting anti-hatred towards LGBTQ at home.
That would be escalated.
It would go to prevent.
And you would basically go towards a position or a process of basically losing your children.
And do you have any evidence of that actually happening or is that policy?
I'm just a general question.
No, no, it is.
So basically, as someone who basically ran a school for almost a decade,
that is a relationship sex education policy,
as well as linked to safeguarding policies
in which prevent it has an overriding,
an overarching impact on basically school in a general precipice,
but also specifically on ideological reasons.
Yeah.
Suleiman, is that like the equivalent of like abuse or like you, you know, it's like in the U.S., for example, if like someone's been abusing you, you can report them to child services and you could potentially as your child.
Is that the same thing in the UK basically where if you, if you're reporting your parents are abusing you, then you can have them taking for you.
Are you saying if you if your child goes to the school like and says, my father is is, is, is.
anti-gay or anti-trans and he's but but he's not hurting me in any way but he has these views that are
anti-lgptu you're saying that the state can then start a process to take your child away just because
you have views which they don't agree with yeah that would be for sure you would go down the process
and essentially the final result of that would be that you could lose your children
Let me jump real quick.
I'm going to jump to Jennifer, because you actually spend a lot of your life.
You're kind of on the front lines here about SEL.
Maybe you can explain that a little bit.
But I want to ask you because, and also I want to encourage people to send the audience
to go down here in the bottom right hand corner.
Leave us your questions and comments because this is a very polarizing topic.
There are so many different questions and good questions that we've already gotten so far.
So I'm going to go to one of those real quick.
Is this agenda that we're talking about that Target is funding through an organization?
Is this a real thing, the agenda that is, you know, putting this curriculum in schools from K through 12?
Do we have evidence that this is happening anywhere?
Are sexually explicit books actually in school?
And how young is this starting?
So I'm just going to jump in.
This is CARE.
Oh, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Okay.
Yeah.
Thank you.
So this is an agenda.
And so when you're talking about, you know, targets and these companies that are
lining with this ESG and people are saying, well, where's even the incentive because they're
getting, you know, a lot of, a lot of rejectors right now.
what I can tell you is in the education system, it's aligned within the education system as well,
and it is under which I just keep beating this drum, and everyone needs to understand this name.
It's called social emotional learning.
And so social emotional learning in education, it transformed the entire education system in America,
and it's a global movement.
It's not only here.
It's all over the place.
But...
What it did was it came in and it basically said, you know, we need to teach children a new social norms.
We're going to shift their attitudes, values, beliefs, morals towards this new social norm.
But the people that implemented this system.
are behind this agenda.
So they are collecting a ton of data, which goes along with the ESG and Target and why everything is aligned under the World Economic Forum.
But I want to go back to SCL so people understand.
It is a psychological brainwashing program.
And when I first got in here, people were saying, well, how on earth do you bring in this gender ideology into something like math?
Well, socially emotional learning was a systemic change. It is not just a 30-minute lesson that they have once a week. It is something that they transform the whole system around so that it is to be implemented into math. It may be a story problem that you receive that would be very simple to most of us.
But because they use what's called culturally responsive teaching, you have to engage children in conversations around, you know, what's oppressive.
So you start to talk to these children about things on this topic as, you know, gender is fluid.
They have adopted the idea that gender is fluid and not harmful as a truth.
Right.
and that is completely false.
They did it under the guise of a mental health program, okay?
And they did that because, and I think it might have been Ed was talking about,
well, I wouldn't have a problem if my child went and talked to the school counselors.
I would have a major problem with that.
And I will, seriously, everybody in here should have a major problem with that
because the school counselors are not non-biased.
They are trained that if a child comes to them and they are gender confused, they are having problems, then the counselor then deems the parent as the possible emotional abuser because if you don't agree that your child is the opposite sex,
then you are an abuser.
This is happening in every state in America.
This is happening across the globe,
but I can speak specifically in America.
The American School Counseling Association is able to deem you putting your child at risk
if you do not automatically agree with it.
Say you want to go get your child help, right?
Because these children that come out this way,
they have underlying conditions.
that need to be treated.
Gender dysphoria is like 0.002% of the population super low.
But they have created this culture through this systemic change that targets these vulnerable
children that feel like they don't belong.
And then when they go to the counselors, they find a safe haven.
Okay.
And then the counselors, through their ethics and their training,
are told to keep this information from the children.
That is what's happening.
And there's so much here I can answer to.
You know, I'll let it keep going and I can answer to seriously.
No, we'll definitely bring you back in because the education part is a huge,
it's a huge factor in this discussion right now.
But I just want just one more thing for everybody for the human rights campaign.
Please look up welcoming schools.
I think it's dot org.
That is the human rights campaign arm of education that is being shoved into all of the school systems in this country.
Please look them up because you will get an idea of what they're doing.
Yeah.
Nick, can I ask a question?
Before you do that, let me go to Tommy real quick to kind of refute this point.
Tommy, thank you for coming on to the panel.
Thanks for having.
Would an organization like this, the one that Target is funding to the point of $2.1 million that we heard about, GLSEN,
why do they want this stuff in the curriculum?
Does this not influence some kids' decisions to, you know,
become transgender. Again, we're talking about K through 12 students.
Yeah, absolutely. It does. No question. It does. Just the idea, it's a seed, right? You plant the seed.
And as a child and as a kid, especially in middle school, you're still trying to find yourself.
I mean, can you imagine? Like, everybody on the panel, there is nobody up here that...
that thinks back to when they were 11 or 12 years old and has the thought of, oh my gosh,
I can't believe I did that, like about something, right? Come on. And then just one thing earlier
I wanted to say, and it's totally off topic, but the comparison of abortion and the genocide
is absolutely ridiculous. That was, I mean, we can go over that later, but
I just think that when it comes down to it, these are fragile minds and they're not ready and mature enough for these kind of decisions.
And this getting like shoved in their face and kind of treated like it's cool and like it's a new thing.
And I think that's what it's more about.
It's like it's not a new thing.
It's people have been like this for forever.
and the percentage of people that are transgender and openly gay is increasing.
And that number is because people are being more open with that thought, right?
And they're more open with that thought because of all these ideas and all these agendas that these companies are pushing.
So yes, absolutely, that is motivating this.
I don't think it's right, but
You know, I think the target stuff with the placement, I think we shouldn't be focusing on the placement, right?
Because the placement of this stuff was there because it's just a sales point.
That's just where it sells the best.
That's just money.
It's business.
It's not about that.
I think most people are really upset because they feel like this idea is getting crammed down their throats.
It's everywhere.
It's all over the place.
So you have people that are...
so far right, they're just outraged and upset.
And then, I mean, y'all said it earlier.
That's absolutely crazy to think that in the UK, the system is raising your kid,
and your views are not.
Because that's pretty much what y'all said, Rob was saying earlier,
it's like, if you say this is right, this is wrong,
and your kid goes to school and tells the counselor what you said,
and they don't agree with what you said,
your kid gets taken away.
That's, I mean, geez, guys, this is crazy.
Am I the only one that thinks this?
What's the balance here?
I mean...
Mickey, hold on.
Go to Mickey.
Go to Mickey first.
Mickey, go ahead.
My own thought is, like, what's the balance here?
I mean, I get that these are fragile minds.
Absolutely...
100% and I also think that every parent has the right to raise their child as to see fit.
We don't want the government doing that.
But they're all also, this is, you know, these are, these are, there are people who exist
who are transgendered who, you know, you can decide whether or not gender is a contract or not
or fluid, but there are people who are born and they feel like they're in the wrong body.
And those people do deserve to be treated with,
with love and respect and how do we manage that how do this is obviously a very small part of the
population that are being you know the way social media works is it tries to find the most
upsetting thing for you possible and show you as much as you can so you engage as much as possible and
you help.
these companies make as much money as possible.
This is a very small fragment of the population that people are trying to protect.
Let me, let me test something.
Let me test something.
So I want someone, just be honest about it.
Maybe Ed, you can go first and then James you can go second if you don't mind.
And then we'll go to baby Brandon.
I'm not sure if you have kids, but we'll see who goes next.
But Ed, I've got a question for you.
Are you there?
Because you did mention you have kids.
Yeah, I'm here.
Have your kids come to you and ask you about LGBTQ rights or transgender or gender rights or any of that?
Gender ideology?
Not specifically.
I mean, I have a 9-year-old and a 6-year-old.
Their uncle is gay, though, so I mean, they're familiar with it.
But did they come to you?
Is it part of the discussion?
Is it something that's on top of their mind from what you've sensed?
Not typically, no.
James, I've got, I know you probably have other points to make.
So I'll give you the mic to make other points right after.
But do you have kids, James, if you want me asking?
I don't know.
Oh, okay. Does anyone else have kids?
I do. I do. I do. I do.
Oh, Russia. Perfect. Where are you based? If you're on my name?
I'm in Canada.
Canada. Vancouver. I got too late. You said Vancouver.
I was. Not anymore.
Okay. All good. And do you have kids? How old are they?
The ages range, but I have older and younger.
Okay. You have younger kids. Okay. The younger kids, have they, and just objectively and honestly,
have they come to you about gender ideology? Is it something that's always part of the
discussion or concern of theirs or something they're confused about?
It was something that they learned in school or it was...
brought up in school and they came to me and I explained it to them. But Mario, I'm the person,
I'm the parent that will explain this to them before they go to school because I need them to
understand what the concepts are and how they go. I'm the one that teaches them nobody else, right?
So, and my kids are not allowed to be in these classes. They're completely exempt. And I would
actually have them remove the whole day just so they, it's not being talked about before or after.
But how, Russia, how were, how, how,
What do you mean by exempt, right?
Is that a, is that a, is a, it is a, it is a,
it is a right we have people.
Yeah.
In Canada.
In some area, in auto, yeah, in some areas you can, right?
But again, because I don't, I don't find it education.
And I just want to quickly go into my, what it is I wanted to say if you do not mind Mario,
because I don't want to be moved down before I say what I want to say.
No, no, no.
I won't move you down.
I promise you.
Okay.
Because I do want to go to James as well.
No, no, Russia.
But does any, any third person that has kids, younger kids, anyone at all?
That wants to speak.
Hi, Jennifer.
And quick question.
Sully, you don't care.
I don't get.
And I'm joking.
Sully, actually Sully, let me go to Silly.
Silly, do they kids, do you, have they come to you and talked about gender ideology or confused about their gender or what transgender?
My kids don't be confused about their gender, but I do talk them about it.
No, that they bring it up.
Is that like a concern of theirs?
They don't bring it up, and the reason is hard.
The reason is because I, what I'm talking about in terms of the RSE curriculum,
I'm vehemently against it and I'm vehemently against it being forced taught in schools.
So I would never ever send my childhood state school.
So I'd send them to alternative education.
Okay, but so, and last point, in the US, let me know if that's not correct.
All American schools give parents the right to remove their kids from sex education classes.
Is that correct?
Someone just sent me this.
No, no.
No, no.
Can I answer that please?
Because I do know this.
Okay, so I'll let you answer this because that'll be the second point,
you Jennifer.
I'll let you answer this.
And I do want to go to James in Russia as well.
So what I'll do now first is I want to mention a statement is that I don't have kids.
And at least at the moment, I'm not in the U.S.
I haven't been there in a while, at least haven't lived there in a while.
So I can't relate.
And that's why I always ask that question, anyone that has kids that go to school.
Okay.
It seems from everyone I've asked so far, mainly on this panel,
and AllSource was the first person to bring it up,
it just doesn't seem to be an issue or a problem.
It's not as...
It's as mainstream as the people making it out to be.
No, no, I'll let you know what I mean.
Can I mean know what I mean?
I'm not saying the issue itself is not major,
but saying most people that have kids,
they're saying that the kids don't bring it up.
They don't complain about it.
It's not part of the discussion because we're talking about
indoctrinating kids.
So I want to go to James,
and James you probably disagree with me there.
Hold on because we're taking them out of the classes, Mario.
We're not allowing them.
Like for me, I'm not allowing them to be in that presence.
That's why it's not indoctrinated.
That's why they're not using those books.
So all source is not taking him out of those classes.
And Ed,
are you taking him out of those classes?
No, I'm not.
I mean, there's no classage.
I mean, they're in third grade and kindergarten,
so there's not really curriculum for anything like that.
But there could be.
That is what G-L-S-E-N is pushing, though.
We're talking about kindergarten through 12th grade.
So let me ask a question, guys, that I think it's more,
I look at statistics.
So, James, is there statistics that show that kids are...
And I think there is, and I think we discussed it in a previous space.
But if you could refresh our memory,
is there statistics that show that kids are questioning their gender more often?
And I think there's something called gender...
gender dysphoria something.
That means that when one person starts a question the gender,
others follow suit and it becomes, you know, starts a trend.
If you can elaborate on that as well, James,
because I know you've got expertise there.
I will do it.
And I'd like to make a few other very brief distinct points.
I mean, there's clear.
Sure, your mic, I'm not sure if you can make your mic a bit clearer, James.
Sorry.
I don't know if you can hear me any better now.
It's the same.
It's a bit muffled, yeah.
I really want to hear what you want to say.
Okay, is that any better?
I think you'll fix it in there.
Oh, wow. So much to do it so much better. Yeah, go ahead. I mean, look, there is clearly a form of social contagion taking place here. And we see this with mental health conditions quite often. We've seen that historically with things like easing disorders. And we're seeing a similar, uh, we're seeing a similar phenomenon to take place, particularly in girls' schools. We've seen statistics in the United Kingdom where, uh,
One girl is coming out as trans and then shortly after many others are coming out as trans as well.
So this is something that we need to be aware of.
The few other distinct points I just wanted to quickly make.
I simply have to correct one of the previous speakers.
Puberty blockers are not 99% reversible.
Studies show that they impact on brain development and bone growth.
There are untold social effects.
And more importantly, than anything else, a child's natural...
development has been disrupted. That's just the first point. Second point is that I believe fundamentally
that we need to stop using the term LGBT, because what we're doing when we use that term is we are
conflating sexuality with gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria. Gender dysphoria
is a mental health condition. And there is a world of difference between teaching children
in schools about different sexualities versus teaching them that the doctor may have made a mistake
when they were born and they might have been trapped in the wrong body. And I've come across
primary school materials in the UK which tell children that the doctor simply took a guess
at what sex they were when they were and might have got it wrong. Final point is this. I used to try
and rack my brains with
Why the individuals or organizations push gender ideology?
And I came up with four different scenarios.
The first is that some people genuinely believe that they're doing the right thing.
The second is that people are choosing to simply signal how virtuous they are to everyone else.
The third is that they're simply too afraid to step out of line for fear of saying the wrong thing.
And the fourth is that they are just plain evil.
But over time, I've come to learn myself that I don't really care what the intention behind pushing this ideology is,
because at the end of the day, children are being harmed in the world.
in the process and we are causing irreversible mental and physical damage to children
that we are affirming down this pathway.
So to be honest, these days I couldn't care less what the reasoning is because the outcome
is exactly the same.
Let me read also some numbers on the question I asked you, James.
So I've just checked on Google Byrd, which is like chat GPT by Google.
Yes, there are some evidence to suggest that some kids are questioning their gender.
For example, a study published in the journal, Pediatrics in 2018,
found that the number of children and adolescents,
adolescents seeking gender of famine,
the US increased by 1,900% between 2009 and 2015.
So that's just some statistics there that can prove that point, Nick.
Yeah, so I'll go back to Ed real quick.
I wanted to hit on this point earlier when he was talking about his kids.
He doesn't really talk about this with his kids right now because they are younger.
I think you said kindergarten in third grade.
So why would you want this stuff in the curriculum then?
Because they aren't to that level where this is...
something that they would even need to discuss, right? And does this not influence some kids' decision
to become transgender? I know I asked us early to tell me, but it's important to get your perspective
on this as well. Yeah, I mean, I don't think in elementary school it needs to be in the curriculum.
I don't think it should be. I think maybe once you get into middle school and high school,
though, then that's a different story because you want people to
be able to, I guess, be acceptant of people who do have, you know, gender dysphoria.
So, I mean, I think under 13, it shouldn't be in the school curriculum. I don't think there's any need for that.
Okay, so what is the, I mean, you might know this because I guess you follow this stuff pretty closely.
What is the argument of these organizations such as JLS-E-N to put this stuff in kindergarten or first grade?
What does that argue?
I mean, I don't know, but I would assume if you ask them, they would probably say it would be along the line of acceptance and better understanding other people.
And, you know, like the same reason you teach about race or you teach about other things, other minorities is because you want people to better identify with them and understand them as being human beings.
But I think elementary school is too early for that.
Okay, so let me ask the last part of that question one more time.
Does this not influence some kids' decision to become transgender?
Because, look, I'm 24.
It hasn't been that long since I graduated from high school, right?
And I did know some people.
Hold on, Nick, you're 24?
You didn't know that?
Man, you look like 40 when I met you.
Are you being serious?
Yeah.
You thought I looked like 40?
Well, you fucking asshole.
I'm being honest, man.
Jesus, I'm so surprised you're a baby.
I get that all the time.
I'm 28 and everybody thinks I'm 45
because I'm bald.
You look 55.
Just because I could beat the shit out of you,
it doesn't mean that I'm 40, but whatever.
So go ahead, Nick,
and let me mention something
as you asked a question, Nick,
you're 24.
You look like a great guy.
So annual reviews put, so the most comprehensive study on the positives of gender affirming care.
I'm going to read out a segment there so you can add it into your line of questioning.
Numerous studies primarily of short and medium term duration up to six years demonstrate the clearly beneficial, even life-saving, mental health impact of gender affirming medical care in TGD youth.
However, there are significant gaps in knowledge and challenges to such care.
Long-term safety and efficacy studies are needed to optimize medical care for TGT youth.
And we've talked about these studies before.
So I want you to take these into consideration as you ask you next question, Nick.
You know, I think that's what we need more of is studies.
Like we don't, we know that.
transgender youth. We know that they have a higher likelihood of suicide, right? But we don't
know if that's tied directly to them being transgender or if it's just, you know, it goes
along with that. So, and I also think we need more studies on, you know, can somebody
be influenced to become transgender? I don't know. Like, that's like saying, can somebody
be influenced to be gay because they're around gay people? I don't know.
I don't know.
I don't, I don't,
personally,
I don't think it's that likely.
Personally,
I think it has more to do
with different things,
brain chemistry,
hormones,
how you're raised,
but through an injury,
not like people telling you
you should be gay or transgender,
but,
maybe the fact that your father's not in your life, and maybe that's affecting you some way or your mother's not.
I think there's other influences that aren't direct but indirect.
So I think we need more studies in general around it so we can make better decisions.
And I wish Congress would all agree to study this more.
Okay, so you think, just to be clear, you think that we should stop, we should halt, going in and teaching these kids about transgenderism and not telling parents about the fact that their kid came to a teacher and said that they might be
transgender. So you don't go that far with it, just to be clear. I think parents should know. I think
in regards to anything, if a student says something to their teacher, the parent should know.
If the teacher feels that the parent should know, if the school feels that parents should know, I think they should know.
And I think transgenderism, I think,
The parents should know. It's their kids, right?
So I definitely don't think that should be, you know, halted or anybody shouldn't,
or a school should not be telling the parents.
I don't agree with that.
But, I mean, I still think you should, at a certain point, like maybe middle school or high school,
just the general idea of acceptance about transgender individuals should be put in, like,
some sort of lesson, right?
Like, just like you learn about general acceptance of anyone.
And I don't know if it needs to be like a huge curriculum thing, but maybe like if a student asks a teacher about it, you know, the teacher can provide their feedback and encourage acceptance. I mean, that's what I think.
Yeah, so, Ali, let me go to you, and I hope I'm saying,
I hope I'm saying your name correctly, so correct me if I'm wrong.
But I want to go to the same question for you,
because you have studied this stuff a lot.
These kids, these curriculums,
the K through 12, especially,
that K through like second, third, fourth grade,
does this actually influence children's decisions?
Are there any studies on this that would, you know,
maybe end up,
pressuring them or influencing them to
maybe think that they're transgender
and go to their parents about that and maybe get
puberty block or anything such.
Well,
Well, absolutely. I mean, if we look at the statistics for the last 10 years, we've seen a huge sharp increase in children identifying as transgender.
We've seen a gender dysphoria diagnoses go up in the tens of thousands.
And that can all be attributed to this constant push. So obviously you have education system pushing these books.
Now you have drag story hours. Now you have, you know, target pushing merchandise for kids and all these cartoons.
What's the drag, Ollie? What's the drag story hours?
Yeah.
So in some schools, in some states, they actually have drag queens coming and read books.
And some of these books are on gender ideology.
There are books as one called the Gay A to Z and teaching kids about transgenderism,
which is just very inappropriate for kids.
So, you know, if a kid is reading that and then they've got drag queens coming to school.
How? So teaching, sorry, Ollie, teaching how?
Can you give me an example of a book?
Like how do they exactly teach you?
Is it like a story?
How does it work?
So one example is a book. It's called the Gay A to Z and it's
each letter of the alphabet is something to do with being non-binary or being trans.
Oh sorry, can you hear me? Can you hear me?
Yeah, it's good now continue, yes. Each letter is about being a trans or non-binary.
Yeah, I might remove you if you continue glitching but continue.
Yeah, so then you've got all the letters about teaching them how to be queer and stuff.
And these are just not concepts that kids should be familiar with because it's going to influence their identity.
And by the time they become, you know, going through.
Where do you draw?
One question.
Hold on, no, no.
Let me ask you a question.
And, Oli, I'm going to remove you with all respect just because you're disconnecting a lot.
It's really hard to understand what you're saying.
But Rasha, where do you draw the line between educating and influencing?
Because I think we all agree educating.
Okay.
kids and adults on anything is a good thing.
But then if it goes through fine,
you start influencing them,
that's where, you know,
it starts becoming debatable as we're debating now.
Well,
where do we draw that line?
How do we draw that line?
Well, hold on.
When you talk about educating and curricula,
but it needs to be something beneficial,
it needs to be something that's going to help them in the future.
And then you've got,
influencing them is to change their mind.
Inclusivity, but Russia,
inclusivity on the first one.
Inclusivity and anti-oppression goes both ways, right?
So let's say to be inclusive in one area might mean you're not going to be
inclusive in another.
So for example, if I say I do not want my child to be a part of this or to know about
this, you're going to have to remove them, right?
And they're not going to be included in many other things and many other activities
that they might have in school.
But when it comes to curriculum, Mario, this is something that is very, very important.
And by the way, I'm an educator and a social worker.
And I've got over 15 years in this.
And I'm a lot older than both of you.
But regardless.
When it comes to education, it has to be something when you're writing your lesson plan, it has to have a standard that aligns with what is beneficial with kids, right?
So when you're talking about something that has to do with transgender, let's say sex ed.
It used to always be about science, birds and bees, right?
The birds and the bees and where babies come from.
Now that's completely out.
Now it's based on your organs and what your whole life, all these kids need to learn.
Their whole life is basically based on sex.
and what they need to know about sex and how they feel.
And that's the only thing that matters, right?
And then you talk about influencing them.
Well, when you have a kid who's about eight or nine years old,
decides to go to school at eight years old and tell the kids,
you know what, I'm non-binary now.
And this is a true story.
And my daughter calls this person a he,
and then he flips out and yells at her.
And my daughter is completely traumatized because she sees a boy, a big boy,
yet he's saying he's non-binary.
So...
This is the incident where I needed to be involved that I explained it to her.
But again, how does this help this child who's eight years old?
How does this child even know about all this?
If it's not being indoctrinated through home, through school books, and Nick, they're insane.
It's not just those books.
and through TikTok.
TikTok alone is a disaster.
Think from now in the next five, ten years.
If these kids are told right now
that you can be absolutely what you want to be,
only in terms of your sex.
Forget about education.
Forget about wanting to be astronauts
or God knows what
or being the next inventors.
That's not important.
Right.
What's important is what you have and what to stick and where to stick it.
That is more important than anything else.
And then you have the pronoun community that every single day there's a new fucking pronoun.
It's unbelievable.
Every day there's a new pronoun.
So it makes you think about how narcissistic the generation is coming up now, that they feel like, hold on, that they feel like they need to come up with a new pronoun because the pronoun before was not acceptable.
And yet we grew up in a generation, and I'm pretty sure a lot of us here,
we didn't care about labels.
We all, we're all like, we all accept each other.
We should all love each other.
Labels are not important.
And right now, everyone's dying for a freaking label.
And if there isn't one, they'll create one.
And if you get it wrong, God forbid what's going to happen to you.
So there's a lot of influence here.
here.
TikTok alone is a huge thing.
I mean,
I'm not sure if you saw the video.
Just summarized your point in 10 seconds.
Yes,
yes,
I will.
Sorry.
So there's a video on TikTok of this,
this mother who took her child into a boy,
into a changing room,
and she puts a skirt on him.
And she's asking him,
how do you feel about this?
How do you like this?
What do you like of the color?
And he's like,
it's got flowers.
And again,
he's,
you can tell in his face that he is trying to help.
He is trying to basically,
you know,
have his mother,
help his mother,
let's say make her happy,
right?
But in his face,
it tells you another story.
And I'm a,
I taught little kids,
I know when they're struggling,
I know when they are not doing well,
and he wasn't doing well.
And another final thing,
final, final thing,
I promise.
Rocco,
let me,
you're making,
Rush,
you made like 78 points.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Let me go to...
I have got a question for James,
but because Mario went to you,
let me just get Mickey to respond
because he was...
He seemed like he totally agreed with everything.
Just ask you question.
So go ahead, Mickey.
I just...
My only point is that like,
I hope we're not treating...
I fear we're treating trans kids
like we treated left-handed kids.
You know, in the 1800s,
like, less than 2% of people
declare themselves to be left-handed,
but, like, because people would be beaten
or called the devil if they were left-handed.
Like, Alessinestra is, like,
the word in Italian for left-hand-s sinister, right?
So, but if you look now,
the number people declare themselves as left-handed,
it's like 12 or 13% of the population.
And, like, we wouldn't have said...
You know, I remember when I was in school, like, people were afraid Obama might be a Muslim, and there was like, there was this Muslim agenda. And it was this big thing that like, you know, that there was this big agenda. But it's not agenda. I mean, this, this idea, like, it used to be that it was illegal in the United States. You would go to prison if a white person married a black person. And they said there was this big agenda to get interracial people to get married again.
like I just think this I this concept of agenda this fear people have is a natural human fear of change but like at the end of the day is it really that threatening to be in a school like you can always pull your kid out of that school or that class if we really want to like shouldn't these kids be treated with love and respect if they do have struggles and shouldn't be I can understand the moral problem like of surgery and pills I totally get that's very reasonable but
this fear, this fear that I feel from the panel just seems out of place.
This is a fear we've always had about change, like new social groups coming up and there'd always be something.
Like, you know, 50 years ago, our panel would have been talking about race.
You know, 20 years ago, they would have been talking about sexuality and now we're talking about gender.
So, Tiffany, you clearly very much disagree with this.
Sorry, guys, too many people are talking.
Let me just go to James.
James, you mentioned earlier, and I just want to find out if that's what you meant,
because I don't want to put words in your mouth,
but you mentioned and you tried to separate transgender from, for example, LG...
B and Q.
And essentially you said one is about sex
and the other one isn't.
Is your position that when it comes to
LGBQ ideas
in relation to sex, that's appropriate
to teach in school? And if it is,
what age do you think?
Yeah, so I would separate
LGBT from all of the other
lessons that now make up this alphabet
sub-
soup and as I'm saying earlier there's a difference between sexuality and gender dysphoria.
However, we still need to make sure that topics are age appropriate.
I've come across as a charity in the United Kingdom called the Proud Trust and they develop
sex ed materials for schools and they've developed this thing called the dice game.
which they recommend for children, I think it's as young as around the age of eight or nine years old,
and children are meant to, in class, roll these dice, and the dice faces have got different body parts on them
and different actions on them. And it's basically a way of getting children to talk about different
sexual acts that can be performed with different parts of their body. I mean, of course, that is
incredibly inappropriate for prepubescent children of any...
sexuality. So we still need to make sure these things are age appropriate. Just to go back to Mickey's
point and you know where's all the fear mungering here and why is that happening schools should be
teaching children facts that are grounded in reality not not falsehoods that are grounded in ideology
the status quo and the entire body of knowledge that we have in terms of science biology and
physiology but james has yeah on that on that point sorry i don't usually interrupt a lot but when you say
teaching kids facts and science
But then what about education about culture or religion?
Right, but there's a difference between teaching a child, for example, there is this mental health condition called gender dysphoria.
Some people do feel that they're in the wrong body.
This is how we should treat it appropriately versus teaching children, by the way,
And I've seen materials again to suggest this to young boys, if you like the color pink, if you like to wear dresses, you might actually be a girl trapped in the wrong body.
There is no...
factual basis for that whatsoever.
And as I said, the status quo,
the entire encyclopedic knowledge of human history,
physiology, biology,
all the rest of it,
is that human sex is binary and immutable.
So to teach children that they could be trapped in the long body.
Human sex is binary.
So, Jane, it's just two points.
Sorry, I'm interrupting because you're making some interesting points.
So number one, I think for the next time I want to do this panel,
I do want get teachers on the panel to get their perspective,
teachers that are teaching...
gender ideology or sex ed in schools to have a discussion with them.
So that's for the future panel.
But for now, you talked about gender being, sorry, sex being binary.
But how about gender?
Yeah.
Well, I mean, it's very difficult these days, unfortunately, to get a definition of gender.
But the problem is that sex and gender are being conflated.
And so in the UK now, you've had legislation passed, which allows somebody to get what's called a gender recognition certificate.
You know, which on one level, people should, you know, should people be able to decide their own pronouns or how other people view them?
Yeah.
I don't know, maybe, but there's a world of difference between saying,
listen, I feel this gender versus saying to people, actually,
you have to believe that I've managed somehow to change my sex.
And that's exactly what we're seeing now.
And we're seeing this in terms of trans people wanting to use women's faces
or play in women's sports, etc., etc.
We're asked to basically convince ourselves something we know not to be true,
which is that it is possible to somehow change your sex and simply isn't.
Can I jump in?
Yeah, go ahead, Joe.
Good thing, everybody.
It's a pleasure to chat with you.
Number one, my wife is a sixth grade language arts teacher.
We are the parents of twin girls who are age 14 and a son who is age nine.
So I think we fall right into the sweet spot of all this stuff that's going on.
And the one question I would like to raise to the group is the aspect of proportionality.
We can argue the minutia, the exceptions, the extreme aspects,
but it seems to me that there is a disproportionate amount of voice
that is dominating the academic curriculum.
Because of that, we homeschool.
So for me, gender dysphoria is a real condition.
It's very, very rare, and it should have a very, very rare component
of the national and local dialogue.
But it has been...
kidnapped by people that have a broader agenda that are trying to manipulate this whole issue.
So from our perspective, we pulled our kids out of school.
We homeschool our three kids, and we've never had a better experience.
We use Shakespeare, we use classic literature, we use a variety of components that all include an element of sexuality, and we approach and address it directly.
So, John, you said about the whole gender discussion being taken out of proportion and being part of the narrative more than it should be.
Can you elaborate what you mean by this?
Are you talking about school curriculums or discussions like this in social media?
Or both?
Well, you know, Mario, I think it's a little bit of both.
It's been said that more children know the three stooges than the...
three branches of government.
And I would argue today that more students know what LGBT, et cetera,
stands for than they know fundamental aspects of reading, writing, and arithmetic.
That's the fundamental...
So why do you think that is?
Because I don't think it's a social...
I think it's a political issue.
And I think that it's being perpetuated by people who have that social agenda...
for a variety of reasons and largely because I think it's a political issue.
It's not about the wellness of my child.
So what do you mean?
So what do you, can you elaborate?
Hold on.
When you say political issue, what do you mean by that?
Well, I think that the country has been so widely polarized.
And I'm speaking of the United States here.
That these are, it's like COVID.
Was the rational discussion of vaccines and masks a discussion based in science?
in a pragmatic discussion or was it virtue signaling around a political agenda?
Same thing.
So John, moving away to gender ideology though, when you say it's being, the educational aspect of it is being politicized.
I'm still trying to understand how because is it being, are they teaching kids more than they should for political benefits?
Let's back.
Let's back up.
Who controls public education in America today?
Tell me.
It's the teachers union.
The teachers union.
And the teachers union is principally a political organization that votes and contributes about 98% of their dollars and their actions towards the Democratic Party.
This is a political agenda.
That's it.
Okay, so what you're saying...
I'm not sure if it is.
Like, for example, now,
the difference in the US is that you've basically got conservative...
I'd say Christians who essentially,
or monotheists, who essentially a pushback...
But the good example of this is the UK.
In the UK, the Conservative Party, which is basically the Republicans of the America, the conservative party were meant to be considerably right are the ones who pushed all these ideas into schools.
They're the ones who made it a law.
They're the ones who made a legislation.
Now, my separate question to that is this.
And it's the James and Kara because they keep differentiating between the trans community and the other LGBT.
So my question is this.
What percentage of the population is transgender?
You could have searched it, man.
Look, look, guys, well, I also disagree with the party part of the republic.
Well, you know, you know.
No, I don't, I don't.
Okay.
I just, I just, I didn't understand.
Yeah, yeah, look, I think it's a silly question.
Sully it could have Googled.
How was it a silly question?
I don't get it.
Because you could have Googled it, man, and have the answer.
But let me push back last time.
But I did.
Let me ask me what possession of the population is Muslim in UK, I can give you 3%.
I don't I'm talking about an issue.
I kind of know the percentages on generally.
All right, man. It doesn't, yeah, look at them ask you a question. Yeah, go ahead. Thank you. All right. So, so the, look, when, when you're talking about specifically curriculum in America here, and this is globally, I will keep saying that because it is, it's in the UK, it's in China, it's in Australia, it's in Canada, it's happening everywhere. But the curriculum, if you are specifically looking at curriculum, you're missing the whole point. Social emotional learning was a
culture shift. It was a systemic change within the education system. So when people say you can
opt your child out of a certain curriculum, sure, go ahead. But you are not, if you have your child
in the public education system, please listen to what I am telling you. You have not opted them out
of the majority of this, uh,
agenda that is being pushed on them because it was systemic. They added into math. You don't know to
opt. You're not going to opt them out of math. It's in the story problems. It is in the literature.
It's in the, it's in the social studies. It's in everything. It was systemic, but it's not only
in the academics. It is in the culture. It was a
culture shift to create this what they call new social norm, which is creating a social contagion.
So anybody that thinks that, you know, you just look at the curriculum now, that has really,
they're just using the curriculum to push the agenda because it was a culture.
Jen, Jen, Jen, can I just ask you what, I mean, what schools are doing this?
Because I read all my kids' school.
I read my kids' schoolwork.
I don't see it in any math problem, any reading.
But also, Jennifer, like, I remember when...
Let me finish, please.
That is my point, Ed.
You can read the curriculum and not see it.
No, I mean, I read their work.
I read their schoolwork and their homework.
Exactly.
So let me explain what I mean by systemic change.
It changed the way the teaching method, which shifted to what's called culture responsive teaching, which is what engages students in these conversations.
You can't see that.
You can get a math lesson home.
Read it.
It looks normal.
It looks like what you saw when you were in second, third grade.
But you don't understand the teaching method that went behind it.
You don't understand how the counseling.
services have shifted and how the counselors are now doing, you know,
whole child lessons basically for welcoming and safe schools.
You don't see how the culture has shifted.
You don't understand.
Jennifer,
Jennifer,
question.
Jennifer,
because I think you'll know the answer to this.
You know, when it comes to the curriculum, which you're referring to,
in the UK call it RSE and I know you guys have got a different name for it,
what percentage of that curriculum is talking about transgender and what percent,
I mean, you won't know a percentage, so I'm not trying to be like pedantic.
Like roughly from your mind, how much of the curriculum is talking about transgender
and how much of the curriculum is talking about, for example, LGBT.
So here's what people need to understand about the curriculum that's adopted in the schools.
It's literally a specific curriculum that they have bought for each grade.
But a lot of times they don't even use that.
But this is what I'm saying.
They are trained to implement this into the teaching methods of that curriculum.
So if you're teaching a lesson based, you know, if you're teaching any kind of lesson, look,
a math lesson.
I know that.
Jennifer,
Jennifer,
I know that
because I've seen the curriculum.
I've seen how it's designed.
So let me...
So sorry,
hold on in Jennifer.
Sully,
let me ask you a question.
When people say it's in the curriculum
and it's being taught in math,
I still don't understand how...
gender ideology is being taught in math classes.
What am I missing here?
One plus one equals male, two plus two equals female?
Hold on, Jennifer, hold on.
Let me hear.
Hold on, Jennifer, hold on.
Sulek, can you explain to me?
Because everyone's saying it, but I didn't understand how it's being taught.
For example, when you, you know, in maths, you're not just taught one in one.
You'll be taught math's problem.
So, like, for example, Mario went to the shop.
He bought three oranges.
And then his boyfriend, Luigi, went around seven times.
Can you not talk, Brock, can you not talk about personal life?
Please, can we keep it?
Yeah.
Can I explain how it's hidden now?
But guys, guys, like I literally see every single worksheet my kids get.
And there's nothing in there.
The math word problems, the math word problems don't mention anything about training.
Can someone let Jennifer finish speaking?
Please let Jennifer finish speaking.
Let me give this example.
I know I have a lot of information, but here's the thing.
I really, really understand this system.
So here, Ed, let me give you this example.
example and why you cannot see it on the work that's coming home to your child.
Here's an example.
I have been trained in this.
So let's say here's a simple second grade math problem.
Johnny is on his way to the amusement park with his parents.
They have to drive 50 miles to get there.
They've only drove 20.
How many more miles do they have to get to?
When your child brings this question home, you don't understand the teaching method that has been trained behind it, which is called culturally responsive teaching.
And so when you are a culturally responsive teacher, you engage students.
You use these to engage students.
And this is what you would say, something like, oh, well, Johnny's on his way.
to the music park with his mom and dad. Now, is that what all families are made of? And you start
prying on these very vulnerable children to start coming up with different ways families can be made
until you get a child that says, well, I know a family that has two moms. And that's your entry
point if you're a culturally responsive teacher to engage children in this. Ed, you cannot see this at home.
Because it was a system.
You're not in every classroom either, though, Jen.
I mean, you might have seen this in certain classrooms.
This isn't happening in every classroom.
But this is the system, and I can prove it, and I've been trained in it, and this is how they're all trained.
This is how-
I know teachers.
I know teachers, like, I'm sure there's teachers in the audience who know that's not what they're doing.
I mean, so you can't act like this.
Yeah, so Jennifer, on that point, like you said, I can prove it.
Jennifer, hold on, no, no.
You said I can prove it.
So I would love, like, what, you know, is there any studies or anything to show beyond
anecdotal evidence?
Because I'm just getting a lot of pushback and I'm trying to get him up on stage.
On this point, a lot of pushback about this being taught in math classes.
So are you sure, again, I'm not saying it's not being taught at all.
But are you sure it's as prevalent as you make it out to be or it's just happening in certain cases?
in certain schools by certain teachers.
Yes, 100%.
I will get it into the NASS.
So the social emotional learning is systemic into all academics, policies, programs of the school.
And then if you look up anybody that's in this country, please look up your state education department and type in culturally responsive or cultural competency.
You will find it.
That is the policy for your state.
Okay.
So I had, look at this message.
So Jennifer, Jennifer, just this message I got now,
my sister, I won't say who sent it,
but my sister's a teacher,
sorry, it's an aggressive message,
so I don't be offensive.
I don't want to offend you, Jennifer.
I'll just read out as it is, though.
My sister's a teacher listening in this space
says she's lying,
wants to know a school district.
Okay.
So Jennifer, again, I'm not saying you're lying,
and I think you're right.
I just don't, I just don't know how common it is though,
because I am getting a lot of DMs pushing back on this point.
But again, I would love you to share if you can pin above anything you have,
because it's an important point,
and it's one that, it's the first time it's mentioned in this space.
And that's why I'm kind of pressing on it, Jennifer, a bit.
Thank you.
Mario, I will pull up some things right now,
but it is in all 50 states, all school districts,
and I get a lot of hate, so I'm not worried about it.
Bring it on.
No, good, no, it's not hate.
I think they're just being direct because they're sending it,
not directly to you.
So my question to anyone on the panel is this,
I have looked at the, like, the UK version of this curriculum, right?
And in there, of course, they do have a relationship to sex education in the schools.
I have significant issues of it.
But remember, this is specifically about transgender.
And when I've looked at the curriculum and you looked at how it's incorporation,
there's not a situation where transgender ideologies is being pushed more than, for example, LGBT ideologies.
So I'm not understanding how people on the panel...
saying one they're okay with, but the other one they're not so okay with.
That's the bit I'm not understanding.
So I've looked through the curriculum.
I even went as far as trying to help an organization create a more specific curriculum
for monothea schools and more specific Islamic schools to make sure that it's, you know,
it follows the legal curriculum law, the legal guidelines while still incorporating religion
and culture into it and so and so forth.
So why is it a specific focus on transgender when the curriculum actually talks about LGBT a lot more?
Can I jump in and take that?
Yeah, please go ahead, Tara.
Thank you.
Thank you.
So I do just want to like second, third, fourth, and fifth James's plea that when we have
conversations like this, that we separate the LGBT from the rest of the letters because they are
very fundamentally different things.
And that matters.
And the reason in part that it matters to me is politically because I am not on the right.
I am very much a leftist and I very much care about protecting the rights of lesbian, gay, and bisexual people.
And I view gender identity as...
an extremely problematic agenda that is very different from same-sex attraction, and it is very
harmful to women and girls, and it is extremely harmful to children. So I just wanted to say that
again. I also just want to say, to the extent that anyone questions... Why is it harmful to women and
women and girls and children?
Okay, so that's a whole other conversation.
I mean, I can talk about that for about 12 years.
I mean, do you want me to go there?
Yeah, yeah, sure.
Why is it more?
Well, you can try and summarize it.
We don't have 12 years, but why is it more an issue for women than men?
Well, it ought not be, but the reason that it is, is that across this country, as well as in the UK and in other countries, we have men being housed in women's prisons who are...
frequently raping, sexually assaulting, and impregnating female inmates.
The reason that that is, of course, is because of sex.
Because, as we know, the category of people who pregnant women are called men.
They are not, quote, trans women.
There is no such thing as a woman who can impregnate another woman.
Men are invading women's sports across the United States and in many other countries,
including Australia and New Zealand.
I mean, we can talk about these things ad nauseum.
There's so many ways in which...
The denial of the material reality of sex harms women and girls.
I hold her.
I wrote a whole book about it.
You just said the whole thing.
Your whole point was like we shouldn't be conflating a sexual identity with gender.
And then you just spent the last minute conflating like,
people's sexual preferences and of course like the crimes they would commit with their gender identity
it's two completely separate things and i just like this whole so ed i just need to say i'm a little
tired of you interrupting people especially i'm not med i'm not ed no no it's not it's not actually i'm ed
i am ed ed is a terrible person and i am it
If somebody said my name, I'm sorry.
No, no, no, no one said your name.
No one said your name, Ed.
Trust me.
Don't jump to.
Don't interrupt Ed.
What I wanted to say, what I wanted to say was to the extent that anyone questions whether this is actually happening in schools.
I don't know anything about it being taught in math, although I don't question what Jennifer said at all. But please go to Women's Declaration USA's
website. Women's Declaration International USA's website. We've done a deep dive. We've done the freedom of
information requests. We've got copies of curriculum. It's all there. It can all be seen. It can all be known. And if anyone is questioning whether kids are a
affected by this, please read the substack of parents with inconvenient truths about trans.
It is almost all parents writing anonymously about their children coming home from school,
talking about how they're confused about their sex.
And they're just, they're really powerful reads.
And I would just encourage everyone to read them.
And I just wanted to touch on Nick's question about,
is it possible for these curriculum to be influencing a child to, quote, become trans?
Right.
and I guess I just want to ask everyone to back up a little bit
And just really understand, as James said, sex is binary, it is immutable, no one changes sex, no one's born in the wrong body.
So the question really is, are these materials in schools influencing children to go on hormones and possibly to have surgery to irreparably alter and threaten their health, well-being, and ultimately their lives?
Right.
because, as James said, no one changes sex.
It just doesn't happen.
And the reason this is so important,
whether the curriculum is influencing kids or not,
the curriculum is teaching children
that biological sex isn't real.
And I think that that should scare everyone,
no matter where you come down on all this trans stuff.
And Mario, I have evidence.
I mean, I can talk through cases across the United States of America about this.
Tiffany, I'll come to you in a second.
I just want to ask Kara some questions.
So, Cara, a couple of things.
I wanted to push back.
And not push back.
I want your position on it.
So there's a few points.
Some of the points you mentioned are anecdotal.
And so I am asking for the evidence for backing it up.
So when you refer to anonymous parents, like, is there any data to pack it up?
When he talked about prisons, what is the percentage of people who are in prisons and that happened?
it's happening. And you know when you frame this as a woman's issue, well, you do know, I'm sure
you know, Kara, that basically the vast majority of transgender is the people that you're basically
speaking about here are actually biological women. The vast majority of LGBT are women. So again, when you're
talking about transgender, and if you're specifically,
Specifically, it sounds like talking about biological men who are trans women.
You're essentially talking about a minority of the population that falls into LGBTQ.
A minority within a minority that falls into transgender.
And then a minority within a minority, which is biological men who are trans women.
Yeah.
Well, I certainly know that the numbers of young women who are getting referred to gender clinics to have their breasts surgically removed has increased exponentially in the past several years.
I am not aware, if it's true, that the majority of...
Well, it cannot be true that the majority of LGBT people are women because there are no gay men who are women.
So I'm not sure what you meant when you said that.
I'll explain it.
When you look at L, there's more lesbians than gays and there's more...
trans, biological men who are transgender, sorry, there are more biological women who are
transgender-combattenable. So this is what I mean. So this, and when you look at the youth,
so adolescents who I also want to be transgender, they also, the vast majority of them are biological
women.
Yes, I completely understand that, and I think it's horrifying and terrifying. And I really wish they weren't doing that. And I will do everything that I possibly can to fight for these young women's ability to accept themselves as female. But I'm not really sure what point you're making.
because I'm making two points
because the first point I'm making is
the reason why, and I notice this
a lot, what happens is in these panels, they always
talk about, when they talk about
transgender men,
in a negative perspective, they're always
talking about biological men
who are basic, who are
transgender, but
Essentially, and because of, again, Twitter and social media, which always proliferate these ideas, one has the incorrect notion that these are the majority of the transgender, when in reality they are the minority.
Who said they're the majority? Who said they're the majority, Sully? Where are you getting this from?
I didn't say who said it. Listen to what I'm saying, Mario. This is an important point.
Again, on this panel, Cara referred to it, quite a few people have referred to it.
When you look on social media and they always show transgender people like dancing about, dancing in front of women, cross-dressing, whatever it may be.
Generally speaking, on the trends, it's always biological men who are basically doing it.
So I mean generally, generally criticism of people that are transgender is focused on men that transition to women.
Exactly. And they're the minority. So what I'm saying is they actually focusing on LGBQs.
And why is the focus there? Why do you think the focus is on men transitioning to women?
Well, I don't want to cause another debate, but obviously I think it's steeped in man hatred.
Oh, there we go.
But first, I agree with your first point.
Second about it being man hatred, I don't think.
So Tiffany or Dr. Suzanne, I'd love you just on this point, or James, or anybody, just
on this point before you make other points you probably have.
Why do you think there's a focus of criticism?
Can I just respond to that, Mario, before you go?
Yeah, but I want, no, I'm not, hold on, Kara, I'm not going on.
I'm actually want a response to this.
So why is there more, and first, do you disagree, does anyone disagree that there's more
criticism or focus on men that are transitioning to women?
And if that's the case, why?
No, I'm not from my perspective as a mom and then talking to moms across the country is that there is evidence of a social contagion.
What moms will say is like, oh, there was, you know, I found out like two of her friends were non-binary or they were saying they were transgender, they thought they were boys, and then they did it too.
You know, my concern and a lot of parents' concern is that a lot of these kids are on the autism spectrum.
They seem to be kind of the more emotional, artistic kids, right?
And the difference between the, you know, sexual orientation, who you love versus who you think you are and maybe choose to make, you know,
changes like no child is born in the wrong body.
Children cannot consent to puberty blockers.
The idea that a nine-year-old...
You've moved away from the point.
Sorry, you're moving to another point that's also interesting.
I just want to kind of focus really on the point that's slowly made
about the criticism that's focused.
I'm trying to get some studies and stuff.
He's talking about...
that from a commercial perspective
like the Dylan Mulvaney stuff and all of that
yeah from a commercial perspective it is very
like male transitioning to female but
for us as moms and dads
it's girls trying
to transition to boys that so what is
So why do you think, a fair point, fair point,
but moving away from kids, because I know we've focused a lot on that,
and I want to get back to it in a bit.
But just on that point, commercially speaking,
why is there so much more hatred or focus on men transitioning to women?
Maybe Dr. Suzanne, you want to give it a shot?
Hello, how are you, Mario?
Hi, everyone.
Pleasure to have you.
Thank you for joining.
I tried to invite.
You're not sure if you saw my invite.
I saw you in the audience.
Oh, awesome.
Thank you.
You know, one of the things that, um,
One of the things that happens is that the male to female is more commercial.
It's sexier.
It's shocking.
It's very upsetting to women.
And because we are literally through Western culture, not just the United States, but we are literally bit by bit being erased, humiliated, degraded, mocked.
And it just goes on and on. Every day there's a headline.
that degrades and diminishes the whole human female.
And it's sexier to see, even whether people love it or hate it,
to see a man with cleavage and breasts and hair and all of that.
We have been conditioned as a culture to look at the feminine and to sexualize the feminine.
Right.
Now, when these poor girls, the mom that just spoke, sorry, I can't see your name,
when these poor girls go through these surgeries and go through the hormones and they do,
as Karadensky mentioned, the double mastectomy and the full hysterectomy and things like that,
they're done.
They've become, they've been radicalized.
They've, um,
Now they're a product.
Now they're a lifetime patient.
And they're not sexy anymore.
They don't look feminine anymore.
They don't look female anymore.
There's nothing to sexualize in the media anymore.
Now they're a medical patient.
They're on the hormones.
They're on whatever it is that they need, that they removed.
You remove your estrogen, you remove your testosterone, you remove whatever it is.
You now are a medical patient in replacing that which you remove.
Now, if you listen to some of the top people that speak about this who are quote unquote trans men,
even though I don't even, you know, I'm just saying that to, you know, female to male.
They have spinal fusion in their lower spine.
They're bent over.
Some girls are confined to wheelchairs.
Girls are moving into menopause, something that no one, there's no science out there to say,
okay, well, you're 20, and now you're in menopause.
And then in a couple of years, you're going to be moving towards osteoporosis.
There's nothing to say, oh, this is how you're going to make it to age 60.
This is how you're going to make it to age 70 with these issues.
Dr. Suzanne, that's a quick question.
You know the point where you said about humiliated and hated,
And then, but then you also said commercialized.
Like, isn't this the point what, um, what Tiffany also said and conceded that essentially
when it comes to the commercial aspect of this transgender community.
And what I mean by that is the commercial hatred of them.
So any type of video you look at, someone mentioned Dylan, um, Waverly, or where his name is.
And not just that, there's many such examples of biological men who transitioned
who are used in the public to be ridiculed.
People mention sports, people mention bathrooms,
people mention all of these incidences,
and yet specifically, they're trying to humiliate
and hate on biological men who've transitioned.
So how is it that's happening to women
when we're seeing it?
And remember, as you guys all have conceded,
the reason why you've got issue with LGBTQ in schools is because...
it's a propaganda,
it conditions people,
kids, children
think in a certain way.
And I,
and we all,
I'm sure,
concede that not only can you
condition children
to think in a certain way,
you can condition society
to think in a certain way.
And so when this,
hatred and humiliation of biological men who transgender happens in social media and various other mediums,
then it is an attack on men as opposed to women.
And most people find it surprising that the vast majority of transgender actually biological women have to be.
I can speak to this as a man.
My opinion is that the reason that these individuals come in for so much ridicule is because they in and of themselves make a complete parody of what it means to be a woman.
They regress the notion of being female and a woman back to the most regressive stereotypes that I thought as a society we were beginning to move away from.
And I come across these individuals on social media.
Well, I've come across, quote, unquote, trans women online, i.e. biological men,
saying that for them, the meaning of being a woman and how they first knew that they were trans
because they were wearing lipstick or wearing earrings.
Or even, I saw one person say that for them the notion of being a woman is somebody who wants to study an artist degree at university.
I mean, this stuff doesn't even make sense, but it's...
But why doesn't it, James? Because actually, when you look at conservatives, a large proportion of them, and I do spend quite a bit of time with them on these spaces, their main argument is, and maybe, because you're coming from the UK, and we're very much more liberal than most of the societies, extremely liberal, but in the US, there is a vast or a large number of conservatives, and they actually value being feminine.
They say they believe that there are defined gender roles.
Women should be women, men should be women.
When you're talking about lips and earrings, they say, look, that is what it is to be a female.
So the thing that you'll find is the very...
But a lot of women...
A lot of women that are Democrat, a lot of women that are liberal, are in agreement with the lens of some of, you know, of the conservative.
This is not bipartisan.
Women in general are the ones that are being hated on.
One thing that everybody must understand is that no woman is,
voted for this. Barack Obama snuck in some legislation. He snuck in some business. You have to
read Karadansky's book. He snuck in a complete erasure of the biological woman. And it has
been a nightmare ever since. As soon as he did that, within days, men were moved into the women's
prisons up in California, up in Chowchella, California. So you have this movement where no woman
voted on it, not a Democrat, not a liberal, not a Republican, not a conservative. No woman said
that you can come in to our spaces. No woman said you can come in and start to radicalize our
children. It was all done against our lives.
will. So it's a violation of 51% of the population who gave absolutely no one any permission
to violate our spaces to usurp our rights. Essentially, the biological woman through Western
culture has been told, you're right. Ha!
Gotcha, suckers.
You didn't know that your rights were under a gentleman's agreement all this time.
Title IX.
Violence Against Women Act.
All of that.
I did not vote on this.
I did not see a ballot initiative.
I did not see it on my voting thing that said,
you know what,
we're going to move you out of the way,
even though we have done nothing about mail.
Did you not vote in the election?
Who did you vote for?
I did not vote for a ballot initiative that said that we were going to be called vulva-havers, front holes, have Title IX erased, have men moved into women's prisons.
All of this was done very secretively, and it was done as if women were public property.
This is the issue.
Okay.
It was against our will.
Now we're having these debates, but really these are not debates.
These are conversations between colonized and colonizers.
We women did not vote on this.
So anytime we have these debates, which are-
I still don't get why this is, Dr. Su,
I still don't get, and you've not answered it,
why this is allegedly a woman's issue.
It is a woman's issue.
How is it a women's issue when the minority of people who are biological men, trans women, are such a minority.
Anything, what one may argue is the fact that...
the fact that women,
which is the vast majority,
so actually,
if anything,
this is basically an attack.
But you did not,
but it's against our will.
Dr. Suzanne,
I can make a stronger argument
the other way.
If anything,
I say this is an attack on men.
It's a form of eradicating
men from all forms of relationships.
So women now are transitioning
into men
and having a relationship
with other women
and leaving men completely
out of the equation.
So the argument,
the other way, is much stronger.
So if you're talking about this being an attack,
which I don't agree with.
I don't think it's an attack on women or men.
But if you're talking about attack on any gender,
I'd say it's a much more larger attack on men.
Even if you look at the hatred, it's on men.
Even when you look at the attack on the transgender community, it's men.
If anything, this is a phone on, a song on men.
May I ask a question?
Go ahead.
Can I ask a question?
I'd like to ask a question of Suli, which is, what do you, like, can you explain exactly what you think is man hatred about
not wanting women to be raped in prison.
How is that man hatred?
What does that have to do with teaching kids about trans rights?
It's absolutely unrelated.
I'll let Mickey answer, then I'll answer it.
Sorry, Mickey, were you going to say?
I just think, like, again, it's bouncing around so much.
Like, the topic of this conversation is whether or not we should have discussions about trans people and things like math classes or how we should treat them.
And whether or not they should get hormones or surge.
I think there's...
pretty much wise for agreement that like hormones and surgery that that's quite that's quite
touchy but having talking about them in schools and including them seems perfectly reasonable
this has absolutely nothing to do with what happens in prison and prison policy like the
the actual harm you guys can point to is none there's no harm to you that comes to you
yeah yeah i agree with you there's no harm to you whatsoever like you're making
hold on let me answer carra let me answer your question because i think mickey would just submit a
sapra point
So Kara, in terms of your question,
I'll explain to you why it is entrenched in Martin Man Hatred.
Because you're essentially taught...
Now, remember I talked about...
You said you're the minority of a minority of a minority.
Now you're talking about biological men who go to prison,
which is very...
very minutia amount.
Like, without even looking at the stats,
but that's why I asked you of the stats,
it's going to be a very, very minute number of the population.
But when people mention this,
it psychologically has a larger impact
to make people think that all men are rapists.
And for example, you will,
I guarantee you,
you've probably never, ever talked about,
the fact that, for example, biological women go into men's bathrooms and the risk they
might have on children because, for example, women, you know, kill more children than men,
as an example, for under eight-year-olds. But I guarantee you, you've probably never mentioned it.
And that's why I'm saying this whole psychology is interesting.
First of all, you cannot guarantee me what I may or may not have said.
I have said, yes, I have said that it is a problem for women who claim to identify as men to be in men's spaces.
Don't presume to guarantee me what I may or may not have said.
Kara, I'm the question.
Not that, but not the problem.
So have you ever said that it is a problem for biological women?
who transitioned into men to go into male bathrooms
where they could be young five-year-old boys
and they could assault, abuse them.
And this happens vast proportionally more than anyone else
and this is a danger to children.
So I don't know the data on that.
I have never said that I...
And that's what I'm trying to tell you.
Let me finish my sentence.
I have never said that I have concerns about, quote, biological women going into male spaces
because I do not use phrases like biological women because that is redundant.
The category of women means adult human, female.
We do not need the biological qualifier.
I have, however, said that I have concerns about women who claim to be men using men's spaces.
Right.
And thank you for confirming that you've never said it because there'll be a danger to women.
I'm dangerous to children because they could abuse assault.
Can I just, again, as a man, surely, just to make this comment again, right?
Because this narrative of, you know, we don't want to say that all men are rapists, etc.
But the point is, if you take a safeguarding first approach, if you acknowledge, for example, that
men are far more likely, unfortunately, and it's a shame, it's a shame that this is the case, but
are far more likely to commit violent or sexual acts, then you have to acknowledge that women's
spaces need to be safeguarded. That's not to suggest that all men are rapists, but it's to
acknowledge the risk of harm that some men do pose. And it's the exact same situation.
So James, for...
So James, for James, for under eight-year-olds, the vast majority of assaults that occur are by women.
So again, women, so now would you, so that, and that's why my argument is, that's never highlight.
Well, I think, I think the vast majority.
So I worry about the seven-year-old.
What about the seven-year-olds?
This is why I think the vast majority of us on our side are saying that we want same-sex spaces protected for both sexes, men and women.
And they should be kept segregated.
And I agree with you.
I agree with you.
That's what I want.
But I'm just talking about whenever this is used as an example, the examples or the exemplars are always used is always biological men, trans women.
And hence why I have issues because I do believe it's seeped in man-hritred.
Joach, could you by hand?
One of the things that we also need to talk about is the fact that there is self-identification.
Yeah, Craig Joa.
Yeah, I mean, it's pretty crazy.
Like, this is such a U.S. issue.
It's in Europe, it's a lot more accepted.
We don't have this problem.
And then when you talk about, like, there are cases.
I know it's been repeated over and over tonight that people aren't born in the wrong body.
There are people that are born with both genitalia,
and there are people that have minute born with the same genitalia.
And that percentage is not very far off from people who actually transition.
Right.
On top of that, if someone did transition and they are in a male prison, they're in danger for their life.
Right. They're not trying to go to a women's prison because they want to rape women. They're going trying to go to a woman's prison because they want safety while they're there. Right. You guys try to paint this narrative. Look, and I'm very against like the ultra woke left. And I even said it the other night on the space. Like I think it's ridiculous that they're trying to transition kids. I don't really see a lot of evidence of it. But if there is, it's ridiculous. But.
you should also have a problem if your husband takes your kids to Hooters and puts him in a very
sexualized environment and teaches them bad bad bad things as well but you don't have a problem
with that you have a problem with people including people who are transgender or including
people who are gay which should completely be normalized and not teach them to transition
And of course, people are going to question their sexuality a lot more when it's more available.
That's why you don't see this happening in Europe because it's been accepted for a long time.
Can I just go on record as saying, can I please go on record as saying, I'm completely against men taking their children to Hooters?
In case you got that from what I had to say, you completely misunderstood everything I was saying.
I'm very against me taking children to Hooters.
Yes.
Yeah, jump in.
Jump in.
Welcome to the panel.
You know, I was just going to say, I'm going to.
I'm going to put it on record.
It is against our will.
You are going against the woman's will, period.
And we are 51% of the population.
And there is plenty of evidence to say that there is no evidence.
that there is abuse in prisons, abuse in domestic violence shelters, abuse in homeless shelters.
There are women that are staying on the street because men come into the homeless shelters,
knowing that they can rape a woman in the middle of the night.
And those are little fluffy little girls that came fresh out of social work schools,
not going to say anything because they're like, no, he's not a man.
He's non-binary.
Such is...
the level of radicalization that we're dealing with.
It is against our will.
There's no amount of twisting of words and no amount of, well, this person did this study and that person did that study.
It is against our will to have men who can self-ID.
So yes, you can have a man that claims he's transgender, but there is also laws that got put on the books.
Self ID. So anybody's, you Sully, Mario, Ed, anybody, you could just walk in. You don't have to do anything. You can just walk in and say, I feel like a woman. And the waiting list on American prisons for men are
that wanted self-ID into womanhood and go into prisons is growing and growing and growing by the day.
And not only that, I think I put...
Can you show any evidence of that?
Can you show any evidence of that?
In the chat, the lawsuit...
I don't know how that happened, but Dr. Suzanne, I'm against...
I'm against the people going into bathrooms, which isn't their gender.
I want defined gender bathrooms.
That's not the issue here.
But I'm also against people, feminists, who basically make this into a woman issue
when essentially it clearly isn't, a provided evidence why, and yet there's no retort.
And so when you're saying it's an attack on women, it is not, and you've not provided any evidence except for repeating it.
And so that's the problem I have with your argument.
It's weak.
It has no merit.
You can give anecdotal examples of certain situations, which is a minutia of the population, but it isn't the whole population.
So you have not seen.
I literally want to know.
I literally want to know how many women getting raped in prison is okay with you.
There's evidence of it.
I literally want to know.
That is the most redundant argument I've ever heard, Cara.
So now it's how many?
So if it's one, that's one too many.
That's the most ridiculous argument I've ever heard in my life.
The whole point is when we talk about an issue,
we always talk about it because of its wider implications on society and a life as a whole.
And so when you're talking about it,
the reason you have to make this weak argument is because you know that this isn't a woman's issue
like the way Dr. Suzanne and you are basically trans-day.
This is an issue that is essentially...
seeped in man hatred.
Actually, I'll say more than this.
And obviously, this isn't the space for it.
But for me, this issue, LGBTQ ideas,
issues that are taught in schools and this prevalence in society
is two sides of the same coin of feminism.
That's why I find it hilarious when feminists argue about this being
men, attacking men about this issue
when essentially they are the majority of the people who are transgender.
I believe you that you blame feminists for all of this.
It's not uncommon for conservatives to do so.
Exactly.
However, your dismissal of women getting raped and violated is deeply concerning to me.
It tells me a lot about who you are as a person.
So for me, your dismissal about children being abused by women is so concerning and it demonstrates the psyche that you have.
And the fact that more men get raped than women do in jail, just so you know.
Unbelievable.
By men.
Right.
Right.
Why?
By men.
Does it matter?
Is it discounted because it's a man?
Is it discounted because it's a man?
Is it discounted it because it's a man?
Every man that you ever had.
Carrie, you just discounted it because it was a man doing it on a man.
It doesn't matter.
Only when it happens to women, it matters, apparently.
But we are not your comfort.
Hold on, Suzanne.
Hold on your comfort.
Hold on, Suzanne.
Hold on, Suzanne.
I'm going to need a very specific reference for where I said that it matters less because it's a man.
Exactly. You just said, you said, but it's men on men. That's exactly you disconting the crimes.
That's exactly you discounting it. It's not discounting it at all. It's very serious. It's just that it's the male perpetrators. That's what I'm saying.
A woman has never committed rape. I just want that answer. Oh, did I say that? You said it's men on men. It's men committing rape. In the prisons.
But why should women...
Let's be clear.
Let's not even put prisoners into it.
Women are murdering children,
even when you don't count abortion into it.
So if you're going to talk about risk,
risk of anything,
then that is the greater risk.
A woman, a biological woman,
transition as a man,
and then go and raping children.
If you want to be so blasΓ© or carte blanche about this,
so blaze about it, then...
The argument could be made against the other.
I just put in the chat a Los Angeles district attorney that put an adult man who raped a 10-year-old girl in a Denny's bathroom.
He placed her.
No, it's not anecdotal.
It's a George Sorrel.
You can't get off one case.
Dr. Susan, you can't point to one case and use it as a statistic for everything that happens.
You can use that to target any minority.
You could target any minority with one case.
We could just talk about Muslim people.
We can talk about gay people.
We talk about black people this way.
Like this is not the way to talk about it.
Like I was saying, I remember when back.
back in my high school time,
everyone was convinced that Islam was a fundamental threat to the United States.
And we had people protesting the teaching of Islam in schools
because they thought Islam was going to kill every American
was a threat to a Judeo-Christian values,
that Barack Obama was a secret Muslim.
And a lot of people like yourselves will always look for some minority group
that's like a threat to yourself.
But none of you have been able to point to any harm at all that's been caused by women
by having trans people being treated fairly and kindly.
None of you.
Great.
Women are not your comfort animals.
When did I say they were?
When did I ever say that women are my stuffed animals?
When did I ever say that?
You think that it's safer for a man to come into a woman's prison because the man is being raped by men in prison.
I never said that.
That's not our problem.
I never said that.
You're arguing against someone in your own mind.
I did not make that comment ever.
Somebody made the comment.
Somebody
It probably was probably Ed unless it was at
I guarantee you it was that man
I'm telling you man
Okay okay okay
But somebody said it
That men are not safe with men
Therefore they need to come to women
Yeah I didn't say that
But I said trans men that
Men that live like women
Right.
Are in danger for their life a lot of times in a male prison.
And you live like a woman.
You're trying to paint them.
You're trying to paint them as if they are rapists that are coming to women's prisons.
And that's not the case.
There's no evidence of that.
They're going there for their safety.
That's what I said.
Okay.
Excuse me.
There is...
tremendous evidence of it.
It has all been documented.
There are hundreds of men in the women's prison in California.
There are over two dozen men in the women's prison in New Jersey.
There are dozens of men in the women's prison in the state of Washington.
All of this has been documented.
And they've all raped women in prison.
Is that what you're saying?
Excuse me.
Instead of interrupting me, I would like to finish my sentence, which is to say that numerous women.
You have the most male energy in this space, Carr.
It's ridiculous.
Like, you're very aggressive.
Yeah.
Numerous women have reported being sexually assaulted and raped in the prisons.
This is documented.
It is real.
It is happening.
So when you say that we have provided no evidence, you are lying.
You're gaslighting us.
Like it is...
There's a nest.
Kara, there's a nest.
You can pin it in the nest.
I'd be more than happy to look at it and retract my statement.
Just post it in the nest.
And children have been produced, children have been produced in the New Jersey prisons and those children sent off the foster care.
Dr. Suzanne and Kara, what percentage of men who've gone into female prisons raped?
I do not have that data in front of me.
But again, I will ask you how many, what percentage is acceptable to you?
I am shocked.
Let me please explain why.
Because you said that you gave statistics about the number of men in females prison,
making people think that those men are essentially rapists.
but you have not got the percentage in total of what percentage of men are raping women in female prisons.
Like you should have that before you make people give,
you basically make people think based on the date you're giving that these,
all of these men are rapists.
So, is there a number that that's acceptable to you?
I've already explained to you what I'm saying.
None of it's acceptable.
But if you're going to talk about something that is happening in such a minutia amount,
compared to other instances, for example, women murdering children,
I think that's a great issue.
You should be talking about that, like, more.
Because is that not something that bothers you?
You should be talking about that more because that is a significant issue.
I'm using your words right now.
I'm using your words right now, such a minutia amount that says that you think there's some percentage of men raping women in women's prisons that is acceptable to you. And you are dismissing this.
No, I did not say that Kara. I said, let me be clear to Kara. I said it's.
I literally quoted you.
I literally quoted you.
And let me explain to you that what I'm saying is that what you quoted is right, but
contextually what you said is wrong and that's the game you see, Cara.
So what I said, all of this is wrong.
Every aspect of it is wrong.
But the fact that feminists like you guys try and propagate that more than, for example,
women killed children is because of your man hatred.
It is the point I'm trying to make.
I'm not a feminist and I don't agree with the word you just said.
Well, you made the argument that you found women wearing lipstick and earrings highly problematic.
And if you were to ask many conservative women in the United States,
no, no, you said that you found it, why you found it problematic that certain biological men
who were dressed enough as women, you found it problematic because they were,
they were doing things and that they, you know, they wear lipstick, wear earrings,
and that was something of the past.
No, that's not my issue.
Okay, no, no, but what was,
reiterate your specific point on that, please,
because then I'll explain to you why that is a feminist idea.
My, my,
My point is that they are completely regressing what the notion of womanhood is to something such as wearing lipstick.
I'm saying to be a woman is far more than that.
But now, and I've seen this being taught in primary schools, boys have been taught that if they like the color of pink or like to wear a dress,
that doesn't mean that they're a feminine boy.
It means they're a girl trapped in the wrong body.
That's highly regressive.
So...
Again, what you mentioned about wearing lipsticks and earrings is not regressive.
It is something, it is values held by many feminine women,
many conservative women value the fact that they are able to be feminine
and they're able to hold defined gender roles in the current modern society.
I accept that in the UK, because we are extremely liberal
and basically monotheistic religions of basically died out,
Christianity is now a minority religion,
you hold that position that is regressive.
But in various other countries that isn't Europe, that has been become completely liberal,
those, what you're talking about as being regressive is not considered regressive.
Is that you considered a feminist-tem talking point.
Okay.
I think we might be talking across purposes, but I am, I've got to say, the way this conversation's gone is highly depressing, this kind of pitting of men v women.
Because as far as I'm concerned...
Anything which undermines the safety and well-being of children or attacks reality, biological reality, is an attack on all of us, men and women alike.
I think men and women equally suffer.
I agree with that.
I agree with you, Jim.
It's very disturbing to hear that.
It's just that Suzanne was saying this is an attack on women,
and that's what I had an issue with,
and that I tried to demonstrate how it is.
It is an attack on women because you did not have permission
to come into any of our spaces,
and you did not have permission to come for our children.
And I said that as a woman.
No, no, you didn't have permission to come for the children.
When you use the term feminists,
You are using it.
You are turning it into a slur to try and isolate.
It is a slur, isn't it?
You are using it as a slur, and that's unacceptable.
You are the, you have, as men, you need to figure out how to take care of your brothers.
They do not belong in any of our spaces, and you do, and there is not one parent that gave permission for their children to be radicalized and then moved into 300 gender clinics across the United States.
Can I ask you a question?
This goes to the rest of the panel, too.
So the idea of allowing a transgender female into a female restroom or a transgender male into a male restroom, is this really any different than where you walk into a changing room in a clothing store and there's different stalls where anybody can go in anyone?
Yeah.
You do not have permission to come into women's spaces.
It does not matter whether it is a changing room at the gap.
Yeah, but what I'm saying, what I'm saying is individual stalls or individualize.
It's a private stall.
Nobody's going into a stall when you're using the toilet.
When you're going to be naked or possibly be naked, nobody's in that actual
stall with you. They're just in the public area. It's more like a public area.
I'm going to tell you something. But Ed, but Ed, but Ed, but Ed, but what about, what about
you go to the YMCA, okay? And you have the women's locker room. That's totally different now, right?
Can I, can I just, like, finish what I'm saying to?
Sure, sure. I'm not hearing about it. You are asking a question.
You know, can I finish? Like, I have, like, it's multifaceted. I just wanted, I, I haven't spoken for, like,
No, I know. You've been good. Go ahead.
I just want to get my question out, then you guys can answer. Is that okay?
Absolutely. Go ahead. I don't know. Can you hear me here?
So that's my question about, you know, like, is it really different than a changing room?
But also, there's a lot of transgender females who look more like a female than an actual cis female.
There's a lot of transgender males who look more like a male than some actual cis males.
So how do you determine the difference?
Well, first of all, a lot of women do not accept the term cisgender.
Okay, well, that's the term I use.
That's the term I use.
I understand that that's the term I use, but a lot of women reject that forced binary categorization.
You can reject that.
That's your right.
Well,
My answer to you, Ed, is exactly the same.
Women should have their spaces and biological meaning why chromosome have their spaces
until our society is riddled of violence, trafficking.
But how do you differentiate a biological male from a transgender male?
You mean a biological male?
That is in a dress?
A transgender man.
A biological man?
That's what I refer them to.
You can refer, I mean, we're not getting an argument about what you refer to.
No, no, no, I'm not arguing, but when you say that I don't know who, I don't know what you, I don't know, I don't know, are you saying biological male to female?
How do you, let me give you a scenario, okay?
I can give you a scenario.
Yeah, go ahead, Sarah, if you have a better term.
And I think what he's trying to say is there are...
biological males that have transitioned and you cannot tell that they were once a biological male.
Okay, thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
Right.
That have transitioned to men and you cannot tell.
He's saying, how are we to determine who, who are you going to ask?
If you had a question, say, I want to.
Listen, if somebody can pass, are you going to ask to see my
If somebody can pass, there's nothing that women can do about it.
If you can pass and you walk in and you don't act a fool and you walk in, then you're going to pass.
There is no doubt about that.
But had there been respect for the biological woman, 51% of the population,
Everybody could have said, you know what, we're going to create a third space because there are some women that think it's totally okay to share a space with biological men, and there's some women that do not.
All that needed to happen was a third space.
And then men and women and share that space.
Can I ask you a question?
Can I ask you a question? Because you made a comment that...
We need to, our brothers need to take care of our brothers or men need to take care of their brothers.
So let me, let me give a hypothetical.
A man is driving a car.
There's a bus stop with a hundred men and there's a bus stop with one woman and he needs to hit one of the bus stops.
Should he hit the one with the hundred men and not the one with the one woman?
I don't understand that question.
Well, men who are transgender in male jails get raped more than transgender men who go to female jails.
And there's a lot less rape that happens there.
So if we're all the same and everyone is human and everyone has equal rights, crime goes down by putting transgender men in women in women prisons.
And what you're trying to say is that because it's a man driving the car, he should kill the hundred men because we need to take care of our brothers, which is ridiculous.
I'm sorry.
As if you guys want some kind of special, you want equal rights, but you want special treatment.
And there's a big difference.
what is the what's the measurable harm that you experience or that women in general
experienced by the existence of trans people all i hear in certain terms you guys are scared
you're afraid but what does how trans people their existence their mere existence hurt you
or threaten you in any way this is the same there's only like two or
three cases they point to over and over.
I had fear about interracial marriage.
They had fear about Muslims. They had fear about black people.
They had fear about men.
I think this is unfounded irrational
fear. And none of you can point to meaningful
harm. None of you have yet
to identify a single instance
of actual harm of the existence
of these people. There are small group of people.
They deserve...
to be loved and treat of respect like everyone does, like you do, like Kara does, like every person on this panel does.
Let's treat them with kindness and respect. And on these edge cases, of course, we should enforce the law.
That is like the beginning and the middle end of this conversation. The rest of it is panic that many people have against minorities that have always had panic against minorities throughout history.
Okay, so this is Kara. I'm going to jump in. I'm going to have to leave really soon because I'm catching a flight. But I just want to ask you, so I think of the world because of feminism, I think of the world in terms of like, let's think about men as a class and women as a class and let's operate accordingly. I promise everyone listening. I don't hate men in case that needed to be clarified. But
What do you mean by the existence of trans people?
I understand that 8 billion people exist on this planet.
All 8 billion of us are either female or male.
I'm, and I, do I feel threatened?
Go for it.
Yeah, so that's a very interesting sort of debate tactic, right?
You're pretending that you don't know what trans people are,
but you've been referring to him this entire time, right?
We understand what trans people are.
Excuse me, excuse me, when exactly did I refer to trans people?
You just did. You've been referring to trans people the entire time. You said trans men in prison are a threat to women in prison.
No, I said that men who claim to be women are in women's prisons.
Okay. Well, I think trans people are a class of people in the United States that we've deferred, determined and defined through this entire conversation.
I think this is like an argument like in philosophy we call a family resembling conversation where we pretend we don't know the definition of words in order to avoid a conversation.
And if you want to pretend that you don't understand the meaning of words, what's the point of view of being here?
I actually don't understand the meaning of the word.
I understand that all eight billion of us.
Look it up in a dictionary.
I've read the dictionary.
I've read various laws.
I'm asking Mickey a very specific question.
And Mickey does not have an answer.
And I find that telling.
I'll tell you.
Okay, I'll tell you what trans people are.
Trans people, they exist.
They're people born with a certain body who believe themselves to belong to another body type.
Okay.
So you're talking about a category of people who believe themselves to be something opposite to what they are.
In your opinion, it's opposite what they are.
They have a different opinion of that.
And it's up for debate.
I think it's perfectly reason for them to have a conversation and to be treated with respect as we try to figure out what that means in our society.
They've existed throughout the entire history of humankind.
They've existed.
And I believe that the best thing to do is treat them with love, kindness, and respect.
Do you disagree?
No, I 100% agree with the Universal Declaration on Human Rights.
I 100% agree that every single human being on the face of the planet deserves to be treated with respect.
And I also 100% agree that every single one of us is either female or male and of.
I'm going to go catch a flight, guys. Thanks.
Thanks for coming, Kara. I appreciate it.
Gentlemen, I'm tapping out also, and I appreciate it, no matter how, no matter how strong we talk about this.
And I'll just leave on the note that there's a colonized and the colonizer.
And that's what we're talking about here.
No woman voted for this.
Now, I saw somebody say something about how women wanted this back in the 70s.
I guarantee you the average woman had absolutely no idea that, I guess, women in academics, perhaps, and men in academics and men in law, such as Gavin Newsom, Biden, Obama, and Scott Wiener.
put all these laws on the books that just invaded our spaces and shook us.
I never...
You know, when you're saying there's a colonizer and a colonized...
Are you saying men are colonizing women?
Is that what you said?
Oh, you're absolutely colonizing our spaces.
But we also have larger global...
We also have larger global forces that are colonizing the West
or that is, you know, breaking the West down with a thousand cuts.
And that is literally to your original topic here
of targeting our children, targeting women,
breaking our Western culture down.
That's a bigger conversation
that hopefully maybe we can have one day.
Feminist liberalism is a big example of that.
No, no, no.
I'm not no feminist liberal.
No, no.
This whole experience...
has swung me completely to the right and away from this degradation of our Western culture.
I love the work of Yuri Besmanov, very, very important, really how you can ideologically conquer
a nation or ideologically conquer a region. And I feel that that is what is happening to us.
But I will stand firm on saying that,
men, I'm sorry, not men, that these ideological forces, this queer patriarchy, this global
patriarchy is starting with women and children and it will make its way, and it has made
its way in other aspects to men.
But Dr. Susan, isn't that because women have emasculated men to the point where kids don't
even know how to be a gentleman or be manly anymore?
because of the way they've been treated.
And, you know, you can't open a car door anymore.
You can't open a door because we have equal rights.
Well, you can with me because of this thing.
Because of this.
Yeah, and I love doing it as well.
I have to tell you something.
I have to tell you something.
Let me tell you.
you, there are many different cultures in America.
There are many different types of women in America.
There are a lot of women that live in traditional style relationships.
You know, I have many aspects of my own relationship.
It's very traditional.
Right.
open the door for me, honey. I will take it. I love it. And all of this talk of emasculating men and gender roles and all of this has been very new to me. And I've been in academics, but I've been on a different side of academics for a very long time. I stepped away and I came back and realized that women were being called all of these horrible terms. I never ever called myself a feminist.
until I realized what was happening and never, ever, will I ever claim liberal fake feminism?
Because those are, there's a very dangerous side and very harmful side of womanhood from woman to woman, very harmful.
So you have a lot, you know, when you say, all these feminists.
that's a little mean
that's a little
that's a little turning it into a slur
because all women
are not on the same page
yeah yeah but I'll explain it
when you're calling men the colonizes
and essentially framing them
as that
that is you're basically
proving my point about your
is James still in the room?
James are you still there
James is gone. I mean, he doesn't like you know.
Oh, he's gone. Okay, listen.
When I say colonizer, when I say colonizer, I am speaking about people who put laws on the books.
And I include women in that. In my state, women, Latina, and African American and European American women voted.
with Scott Weiner when he put the prison rape bill up.
They voted for it.
Women of all ethnicities voted with him.
They are colonizers.
Thank you for letting me at least get that sentence out.
Let me just ask one more thing before you go.
It's important.
In the African American community, often there's a matriarchy, more than a patriarchy,
at least from my experience.
I grew up in Philadelphia.
It's not a matriarchy.
It's a patriarchy.
The black patriarchy is very strong in the black community.
Yeah, I'm not putting it down, but I've seen a lot of matriarch.
I didn't say it was a healthy patriarchy.
What?
But a matriarchy suggests that there is a willingness to take the lead.
And no, no, no, black women are not a willing matriarchy.
That's another conversation.
Yeah, okay.
I might derail the conversation.
You're right.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I love to have it, but I just wanted to just...
No, I appreciate you coming.
Thanks a lot.
Let me go to Prudicle, because I find it a rare equation when he's got his hand up, so I'm a bit confused.
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Yeah, I mean, this conversation to me is, I tend to agree with the last speaker.
I mean, when you look at this and they talk, they try to imagine like this was normal less than five to ten years ago.
It's not. And the reality of matter is the studies and the stats are showing it. 20% of Gen Z are LGBTQ.
When I look at this, I ask why.
You know, you look at the NGOs, you look at education, look at everything else.
And you say, well, how does this affect...
Did you say...
Proto, did you say, and I just came back on, did you say 20% of teens of Gen Z are LGBT?
Yeah, I think Axios did an article on that a while back.
My point is...
Prodigal, what percentage of that...
He is correct.
Pradigal, you know, the last speaker and the speaker...
So what percentage of that are transgendered?
I haven't checked.
I'm connected to the whole.
The reason I'm asking is, Prudgal, the few feminists who were on this panel who were anti-transgender,
essentially were saying that we're cool with LGBT, we just got a problem with T.
But anyway, go ahead, Prodigal.
Yeah, I mean, listen, I got, I really have no problem if a grown man or a grown woman
wants to mutilate themselves.
But I have a problem when they fundamentally ask society to say if, you know, Noah puts on a skirt
and has an erect penis, I have to recognize it's a woman.
I have nieces who play AAU ball in sports, in my family, and they're competing against women.
I read articles about inmates and other people being raped.
It's hard to form to say you have a modern industrial society in the most connected world,
and you're going to change the paradigm and base it on civilizations that have never built this greatness
and relegated to Thailand, 80 boys, and obscure Native American tribes that never made it.
Like major Native American crimes did not have to.
So to act like this is normal, and this hasn't been manufactured, when you have Brown University killing studies, showing gender, rapid onset gender dysphoria is a true thing.
It's not by chance. All the Hollywood kids are turning out trannies.
Before they wanted to adopt the black ones, now they're turning the kids into trannies.
It is what it is.
And to say that it's natural or a child has his best interest, we've seen what money did with COVID.
And the same money is funneling this.
And I'll end with this.
I have no problem what any adult wants to do as long as bad behaviors and celebrate.
Nobody should be, the issue is they celebrate this now.
Right? They make man like beasts. The only thing that separates man from beasts and its desires and is self-control.
And society has basically said, do whatever you want, no matter what it is, it's good.
And here they've done the same thing. And they actually think they're heroes. But all the stats bear out differently.
I mean, the elementary, primary, high school, colleges, workplaces are building this. Children have never done worse.
And they're telling you this is progress and better. And this isn't limited to one racial group, it's all.
Right.
So the people, don't listen to people who are telling you shit smells like roses.
And let's keep going when you're watching society fall across or forth.
We don't need to worry about this issue.
It's a non-issue.
They made it an issue.
As soon as gay marriage got passed, everybody thought this was over.
The biggest lie was the slippery slope.
They told you, don't believe it, it's a lot.
The slippery slope is pattern recognition.
And that's what we've seen occur in the last 20 years.
Through,
Throughout all mankind just didn't exist.
Right?
In the last 20 years, we've seen it.
Guess what people?
The slippery slope is true.
And if you haven't realized it yet,
you're going to realize it's true.
Because they're after your kids.
And that's really what it comes down to.
You cannot have,
you cannot teach people these identities
without explaining an intricate sexual act.
And I'm sorry.
I'm not for the sexualization of prepubescing children and believe I'm a hero.
If they can consent to self-mutilating surgery, then why can't they consent to intercourse when an adult, like that's where this is going.
If they have their own comprehension, they can back them up.
This is where it is.
All these groups were allied.
This is, hold on, hold on.
This is, let me, let me, let me, for protocol, it's been a while I haven't had you,
but you're such a fucking good speaker.
I hate it.
Look at these numbers, though.
A number of Gen Zs and Shantani, I want to go to you afterwards,
but number of Gen Zs that identify as LGBTQ are 3.5% in 2012, 10.5% in the US, 10.5% in 2017,
excuse me at 19.7% in 2021 and 21% in 2022.
I'm not saying this is a good thing or a bad thing,
but these numbers are insane.
And obviously L and G and B and T.
Well, unless evolution,
unless we've crammed in thousands of years of evolution in 20 years,
It's clear there's outside factors that are pushing this.
And when you look at the money and the people involved, it's very clear.
So you can listen to people who are playing their heroes.
Prodigal, from these numbers, protocol, just quick question.
Just keep the answer very quick because I want to go to Shantani right after.
But just very, very quick.
Out of the LGBT, is the T, the one that concerns you, the transgender over lesbians, gay, bisexual?
I take a view of this as past presidents.
Prostitution, drug use.
and sexual acts
are always going to be there.
You can never eliminate.
But it should not be something that's celebrated.
When you have to hold the parade
and be naked and shaking
dildos and gyrating in front of kids
which your genitalia at,
that's not something,
that's just degeneracy.
You could call it whatever you want to
and mask it.
But that's what they do.
They use euphemisms.
I have no problem with any adults.
doing what they do if I don't approve of it
outside of the shadows
but when you have taxpayer money
and all the corporations
and moving to other points
so let's go back protocol
let's go to Shantani and Ed just to get their thoughts on this
just to kind of counter
some of the points you've made
Shantani do you want to go first
Sure. I just have one quick comment, just a very quick comment, that I don't think that the idea that trans people are this big threat to women specifically is indicative of feminism.
I think that's a pretty radical opinion. Those are the kind of opinions that
I never said that. I'm not sure you're talking about.
I'm not talking to you. I'm not talking to you. I've been holding my hand for quite a while.
What's the point? Sorry, who made that point? What point did they make?
And I can already guess, but please tell me.
The conversation was being framed by multiple people in the room that this is a feminist opinion.
So I just wanted to make a very quick comment.
What's a feminist opinion? I'm curious.
Tell me again.
The idea that trans women going into locker rooms is a huge threat to women.
It's a pretty radical feminist opinion.
I wouldn't say it's a feminist.
Because of the people we were speaking to, they had in their bio that they were feminist.
That's why.
Shintani, I was probably
Yeah, I just wanted to make a...
I just wanted to make that as a comment
because I was hearing nothing strange.
Because they literally were calling men colonizers
and saying men are the problems.
Anyway, so...
Yeah, all of the thing.
All of the things they were saying were very, very radical.
I don't think most feminists would.
Yeah, but you don't, you don't,
Slime Man, you don't respond to someone who's radical
with you being radical either.
Just respond with logic and being objective.
You don't smash, stop smashing.
Just be civil and stick to facts.
Be civil and stick to facts.
Stay above,
stay above these things.
You give people the same energy, Mario.
You're too nice.
You're going to give people the same energy.
I'm going to,
you know,
I'm going to,
you're the reason I'm about to message Ian on a Twitter support just to allow hosts to mute co-hosts.
But Ed,
I'd love you to give some thoughts on what protocol just said.
Yeah,
like,
I mean,
I understand,
you know,
you don't want,
you don't want at these pride parades where there could be kids you don't want sex toys being waved around but i mean i don't think that's necessarily a gay thing i think it's just like you just don't want sex toys ways around in front of kids but it does come down to freedom of speech i i think you know if somebody wanted to make a law that you can't wave sex
toys around in public. I think most people would probably be okay with that.
Going back to the study that you talked about, Mario, you know, like Generation Z,
it's increasing who identified with LGBT.
Yeah, it's evolution. It's biological.
Protocol, protocol, I think that, you know, it's hard to determine why this is happening.
Is it, you know, I think a lot of people on the right in Protocol would probably say that, you know, it's grooming or like it's the media or it's, you know, seeing it on TV that's.
encouraging these people to be these younger generations to become LGBTQ plus I I don't
think that's the main cause I think it's just people are more willing to come out
more people are more willing to admit what two year olds five year olds they're
just coming out you're right no I'm not I didn't say that protocol
did I say that at all no two year old product product was rocking out the
twisted sister in the 80s with
With men with makeup T-ser and 30s.
I was born in the 80s.
I just saw.
I was in my 30s, brother.
I'll take it as well.
If you go back to the 50s,
of course people aren't going to admit that they're gay.
Even if it's in a private poll,
they're just not going to do that.
Are we talking about trannies or gays right now?
We're talking about, yeah, we're talking about,
yeah, we're talking about LGBTQ plus.
Hold on, let's finish.
What's the age range for Gen Z?
Like, I mean, if you go back in history, we're going to, let me finish and then.
So, Ed, just can I add to it?
And I'll let you finish, Ed, but just want to add to it.
I'm just looking some more numbers.
Interesting.
So Japan, it's 1.2%.
Sweden is 17.6%.
US was 5 now just over 20.
And obviously it varies by age.
You mentioned is Gen Z, isn't it?
20% Gen Z.
So my question is, what age range is Gen Z?
And then why I'm asking that question is
I think it's 26 and under.
I think it's 26 and under,
but I'm not 100% on that.
But continue making a point, Ed.
Yeah, so I mean, I think we could use studies for that
to figure out what the causes of it.
I think we're all kind of curious.
We all have our own ideas.
I think it has a lot to do with people
just feeling more open about being themselves today
than they did 10 years ago, 20 years ago, 50 years ago.
Well, I hope you feel that way when men dominates them.
I mean, they're starting with the sports, but if you think the system's not going to be gained, it is.
And the reality of the matter...
I saw.
Look at these numbers.
Look at these numbers.
Look at these.
It's just fascinating numbers.
And by the way, actually, it's really interesting.
You're going to find this interesting protocol.
So we're looking at this as a problem in some countries, but...
I don't think that's an issue, like the whole education aspect of it.
It's not an issue in Colombia.
I'm sorry.
Like, America is where Europe was about a year or two ago before the Tabistock issue came out, Sweden, etc.
Italy is at 17%.
But I'm saying Europe has basically...
France is at 18%.
Europe is 19%.
The UK.
The UK is 18.
Okay.
So, so protocol, protocol.
Would you expect, would you expect Peru?
What would you expect Peru to be?
Let's be objective.
I don't know the number. What would you expect Peru to be?
I don't know. Is USA tied to it? I have no idea.
Peru.
Mexico and Indonesia.
Do we use human rights as a weapon to tie USA to push this idea?
You're not giving me numbers.
Protocol?
I don't know it off the top of my head.
I wouldn't be surprised.
No, what would you guess?
USA has to abide by this.
That's why we had to blow up during the World Cup and Carter.
Well, you were...
Hold on, what does it have to do with USA?
We're talking about culture.
They dominate the world.
They push out the culture.
They're media.
China's culture doesn't push this, right?
They're not.
Hold on, hold on.
You're saying, but you can't say, protocol.
You can't say U.S. policy, foreign policy,
includes influence on LGBT education.
I think U.S. foreign policy folks on the aspects.
You know a lot about.
They literally, this is a human rights.
Protocol is right.
Look at all the drama they did about the Qatar World Cup is what he's trying to explain.
Yeah, this is fine, but I think, yeah, but I know, I know, the Qatar World Cup, which is an international event, but prior to that, for example, would you expect them to start influencing the, the LGBTQ rights or education in Peru?
I think they've got other things to focus on on foreign policy, other economic aspects, other areas of influence that matter more than LGBT rights.
Well, when you've got a lot of money for growth, you focus on where the money is.
When COVID was there, everybody did COVID.
This is something that after gay marriage was ruled, all that money for gay marriage turns to train.
Look at the, let me mention the numbers because it was.
This is for me to have look at US foreign policy to have anything to do with LGBTQ rights
or at least have significant influencing countries on LGBT education.
Just seems a bit far-fetched from you.
But maybe I'm wrong.
I'll give them right to Sanjana.
For all U.S. citizens, Biden floated the idea of tying school lunch as to whether they will allow biological men into women's bathrooms and children to play sports.
This has been floated.
This isn't something.
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Which country?
Protigo.
Which country?
In the U.S., Canada, Canada, Canada, Canada, Canada, Canada.
Can I speak? I'm really tired of all you men arguing.
The fact that you don't know in Canada, which you can look at my account and actually see the retweets,
men who simply identify, we have the worst laws here.
As soon as you identify, you come into any space.
So the fact that you're trying, some people are trying to say, well, men need to be cut,
safe in men's prison.
That's true.
Men need to change their way of thinking,
but women are not shields for men.
So men who are effeminate or gay,
they are actually in men's prisons,
are kept more kept in the safe area.
So there should be no men coming into women's prisons,
nor should there be coming into any women's spaces
because there are women who have also been sexually assaulted,
such as myself, excuse me, do not interrupt me.
And I'm just trying to tell you.
So Jennifer, I would love to get your opinion about you say,
do not interrupt me, you just interrupted us.
Yeah, because all you're doing is talking.
All you guys are talking.
Only one woman speak.
I've had my hand up.
You let Ed go ahead of me.
I've had my hand up.
So is this what it is?
You just hate women.
Gentany just spoke with four heads.
Okay, okay.
Don't play that women card.
Yeah, I've heard it.
Solomon.
Who's a three, four women on the card.
Oh, yes, sir.
One, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, five.
Actually, I agree with her.
Six women.
I deserve reparations.
Yes.
Okay, let me go back to the question I had now.
And Jennifer, you're making good points.
I do want to go to you.
Just want to conclude that particular point on the numbers in different countries.
So Sanjan, I was just about to go to you to comment on this because I know you had your hand up.
up. I'll give you some numbers in different countries. So these are the number of the,
and I didn't expect the numbers to be so similar across the world. Gen Z, the percentage of
Gen Z who identifies LGBTQ plus, Argentina, 18%, Australia 15, Brazil 17, Canada 17, Chile 17,
Chile 18, Colombia 18, Colombia 18, France 18, Germany 16. India, I did not expect this. India's at 12.
and the rights day and the education day is not even close to what it is in the West.
Indonesia, the biggest...
India, the right-wing fascist government actually pushes LGBTQ ideas.
I don't know how much you've looked into the Indian education system.
I was writing a thread on this specific...
Okay, so...
Well, I'm pretty sure...
...is culturally you can have a gender identity type.
Indonesia, Indonesia, the country of the most Muslim population, is that correct, Sully?
It is correct, yes.
10%.
Half of the US.
which is pretty high.
I didn't expect it to be that high,
considering the culture there.
Italy, 17, Japan, 9, which is surprising.
Mexico, 17, Netherlands, 19.
Across the board, Poland's at 10,
and I know the culture there is very anti.
Perusa, 18, South Africa is at 17.
Spain is at 17, 21 in Sweden, and the UK is at 18.
So I'm saying this seems, and again, these numbers surprised me as well.
I expected them to be lower in many of those countries,
especially countries like Indonesia, Mexico, Peru, Poland, South Africa.
But they're all pretty high.
So Sanjana, I want to get your quick thoughts on this.
If you look at the number to be high in so many countries,
how much of it is...
politically motivated, as some people have mentioned,
or all of it being planned or pushed into the culture as part of the educational system.
How much of it is so, or is it just in happening in all these countries at the same time?
Any thoughts on Janna?
Yeah, sure, why not? You know, I tend to think about this myself since...
Okay, so I'm not going to be able to speak, eh? The fact that the LGBT is actually more of actual heterosexuals than there are actually LGBT. I'm part of the LGBT.
Okay, so your first argument, so Jennifer, the first argument was that we're not getting women to speak.
And you didn't let me speak. You just cut me off and you let someone else speak.
So this is basically a bunch of men who want to argue about women and women's rights.
Sanjana is speaking.
No, I had my hand up before any of these people.
Yeah, okay.
And you just ignore me, right?
So you're just ignoring me.
I don't know if you're right.
I'm trying to be respectful.
You're being oppressed in a Twitter space.
Okay, it's Jennifer, by the way.
Okay, so Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer, Jennifer, if you do want to speak, please, I'll give you the mic in a bit.
I'm trying to be respectful back.
You're just so much of man haters.
You don't like women.
Fuck you.
Love you too.
All right.
Thanks, Jennifer.
Don't remove it.
Don't remove it.
Don't remove it.
Anyway, Sanjana, I would love to get your thoughts.
Like, seeing the same numbers.
I don't hear you.
I love women.
Guys, Nick and Sully, guys, can you stop for sexual?
I can finish my fucking point, please,
because you're doing the same things Jennifer's been doing.
Sanjana, please, I'm really curious to see the numbers
all similar across the world.
Protigo made this whole point about being this US issue,
and I'm trying to take a jab at Protigo
because he's very hard to fight.
But Sanjana, I want to get your thoughts.
You know, I'm surprised myself when you just said that India also has quite a large number
because I don't really see that much of SGBQIA support here in India,
even though, you know, Salaam was saying that we have a fascist government, although I do agree with that.
You know, to look at this, I go, like, I think there's two ways you can look at this.
First, did we used to have this kind of mentality before, which I think has already been discussed,
which means that there's a difference between generations?
Yes.
which has led the spike in the rate.
And the second being is this politically motivated,
which you are supposedly asking me,
and I feel like it may or not be.
It's a tricky question.
It's a question where, you know,
the left-wing, right-wing agenda comes in
and people start fighting like a mad person,
which has been happening.
But I don't think that it's, you know,
legitimately a left-wing kind of agenda,
which is being pushed onto people.
Yeah.
I think it might be politically motivated only to the sense that, you know, people who are very extremely left-wing would want all of these left-wing policies and left-wing issues to be pushed onto their kids.
And so, yes, I do agree that there are, you know, there should...
definitely not be any talk about
LGBTQ community
and, you know, what it means.
Like, I'm not saying that it shouldn't be respected.
I'm saying it shouldn't be, you know, like,
talked about in the sense that, you know,
it shouldn't be pushed upon kids
in a way that, from a very early age on.
Because let me tell you, I'm bisexual.
I did not come back home.
when I was aged to telling my mom that, hey, I'm bisexual, like, that did not happen.
So, you know, I keep on wondering how I see all of these particular news sources coming out
with people saying that, you know, their kids are coming back home telling them a very, very
early age on. So, you know, there's a biological inquiry that you can engage into, just thinking about
this. So just very quick thoughts. So I guess woke up so kind of, you know, everywhere at the moment.
Yeah, Nick, I've got to give you...
Let me jab at Suli, let me say something because you're going to probably respond to it.
And then Nick, you take the mic again.
But Sully, you said about India and that education in India is really focused on LGBT...
I didn't say that?
Okay, what was your threat about regarding LGBT education India?
What I was going to show was that Maudi's government is backing LGBT rights in India.
So influential Hindu groups...
which are parent groups of India, of Modi's party,
have been basically propagating LGBTQ ideas and values.
And I was going to show that,
and show the dichotomy of basically how can a right-wing government
basically promote LGBTQ values.
And I was going to demonstrate that how they're hypocrites.
Yeah, so I just looked at it up briefly.
Let me read out some information for you.
LGBTQ rights in India are still a work in progress.
The country's Penal Code Section 377 criminalizes same-sex sexual activity.
Did you know that?
Louisiana and the United States still has laws on the books that penalize Sodombe as well, just to FYI.
Oh really?
Shit.
But, D'Souille, did you know that about India?
Yeah, no, I did know that because obviously when you look at India's history, it had a large Muslim population.
By the way, some speakers, some speakers dropped out. If you dropped out, do you request again, just glitched out for like four people at the same time. But yeah, go ahead. So I'm just saying how does that make your point then? I don't understand. Like this sentence alone kind of refute your point. Yeah, yeah. I'm explaining it. So historically, of course, it wasn't the case. But like, recently.
For example, there's an article in Reuters.
There's a number of other articles that are put together.
I put together like three or four evidences to demonstrate my point.
And it basically is the propagation of LGBQ rights in India,
which is basically holding rights.
So, for example, now there's an article on writers.
on the just right in front of me now on january 11th,
2023 and it literally says
a leader of influential hindu group brach's LGBT rights in india
and their group is the parent organization of india's ruling party
which is modi's government that is coming out in sport of great
of gay and transgender community and basically and so that's an example of it
but then there's a number of articles i put them together i didn't obviously
didn't expect the space to go into that but yeah there is that push for it so when you said what
the reason i told it that is that when you said 10% i didn't find that hard to believe
Yeah.
Hey, Mario.
Yeah, go ahead, Jennifer.
I just put in the bubble for you, several, several of the countries that you're talking about, but specifically, uh, India that you were just talking about, I just put in, they're, they're just not implementing, um, in 2020.
the social emotional learning that we have here, but I put several references in the
bottom or down in the, whatever, purple bubble, whatever, for people, this is a global
movement. And I tried to keep up, but I tried to make a list, Mario, the countries that you
were listing to have the high percentage of LGBTQ.
and you can trace those back to the implementation of this systemic change that is this global change of social, emotional learning.
Finally, I just wanted to say I also put down, this was earlier when I spoke, I had to drop out and come back in, but for all of the people and backlash that you got when I was talking about culture responsive teaching, I just want to ask everyone while you have, while you're listening,
to this debate and all the conversation, pull up your state,
pull up something, or your school district,
pull up culture responsive teaching,
put it in the nest or the,
I'm sorry,
the bubble so that people can see how widespread it is.
And for any teacher that will debate me,
please DM me, I will debate anyone on it.
Okay, Jennifer, we'll organize another space, go ahead,
Jennifer, can you send me that,
I can't see it on the bubble,
but so if it doesn't come up,
can you send me that thing where you send
because I'm interested in it.
On India.
On India.
Yeah, I will.
Marvelous.
Thank you so much.
Let me go to Rebecca.
Rebecca.
No, well, let me...
I'm sorry, let me go to you, Nick.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah, sure. Let me ask you about this. So, Rebecca, you've been a harsh critic of Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. So I want to bring this stuff up. You've especially been vocal about the parental rights and education bill, which basically, this is very relevant to the Target situation that we're looking at right now, where Target has spent $2.1 million funding an organization that is pushing...
you know, LGBTQ and pro-transgender curriculums to K-12 students,
and part of that is not telling their parents about it.
So what is the issue here?
Why should schools be encouraging, you know, maybe used to transgender,
especially five- and six-year-olds without telling the parents?
Rebecca?
Yeah.
Tell her how to unmute, man.
I'm your bottom left corner, Rebecca, so I can hear you.
Hello.
Yep.
Yeah, yeah, go ahead.
Hey, sorry, I had to switch my charger because I only have one headphone support and my phone is dying.
Sorry about that, guys.
So, wait, the question was, do I have an issue with parents outing children to, I mean, sorry, rather, if school districts or administrators, officials, teachers, whatever you have, school officials in some capacity, outing their children?
Right.
to their parents without their consent?
Was that the question?
We're talking about the fact that especially Target,
spending $2.1 billion funding an organization
that is trying to push policies in school districts
to, you know, not tell parents about, you know, potential transgender, a child coming to a counselor
and saying, okay, well, I'm a boy and a girl's body, K through 12. And so I want your thought on that.
Well, first of all, all children have to consent to have their specific medical records discussed
with their parents when it comes to counseling to begin with. That is a law across the entire
United States. If you might, let's say you have a...
10-year-old kid, it goes to see a counselor,
unless that child is a direct threat to themselves or other people,
they provide confidentiality to everything that is discussed with that child.
Why does that not apply...
everywhere. Why do you think that there should be exemptions to that, you know, national
public health safety measure?
Can you share that in law? Like, can, like, let's just see that. Like, where can you show me in
law where it says that my fundamental parental rights don't exist? Well,
Well, that's not even remotely close to what I said, but I mean, do you have any legal expertise background?
Yeah, I do.
I absolutely.
I'm a mom of four, and I have the fundamental right to direct the upbringing of my children,
and there is not a law in the United States of America that negates that fact.
Show me one, Rebecca.
Nobody said that.
Nobody said that or anything remote to that.
What he specifically was asking about was whether or not a school district or administrators' officials...
And I think he specifically said school counselors have or should have the legal authorization to disclose things that are discussed in a clinical setting.
How about teachers or administrators or anybody like that?
We'll say that.
I'll generalize.
Okay.
Because first of all,
those are very two specific things.
Those are two specific roles.
And so when if you are going to talk about school counselors,
then you do have to consider that knows.
Okay, okay, but we're not.
Okay, are you gonna keep?
There's not a lot of nuance when it comes to fundamental rights.
There's, this isn't like a conversation, Rebecca,
about how much you think my parental rights exist.
Your feelings.
Yeah, I'm not talking to you.
Do you mind just like muting yourself
and so we can actually answer the questions?
Sure, but Rebecca, I just want to be clear.
Maybe I misspoke.
I don't mean just counsels.
I was using that as an example.
Yeah, because if we're talking about psychology,
that is, that's, you can't do that.
But as far as teachers and there's...
Yes, teachers and admins. There's not as far as I know any provision whatsoever that prevents the ability of a teacher in any state in the country from disclosing any conversation they've ever had with a student.
Has any state passed any law that anyone here is aware of that says there's any conversation a student and teacher can have with each other that is not disclosable to parents?
My parental right.
You can look at the law.
Read the article.
Fundamental right.
I do not need a law.
to cement my fundamental right to direct the upbringing of my child.
What do you not understand about that?
Who argue?
Do you need a break?
You sound very emotional and no one's talking to you.
her organization's been doing very well.
If you look at the polling, she's been destroying you.
She found that moms for liberty.
I mean, you can whale it.
That's who that is?
Oh, my God.
That's who that is.
Woman.
The blood on your hands, the blood on your hands.
I can understand why you're so emotional all the time with all the children that you've killed,
with all the children that you've harmed.
I can imagine that.
That's fine.
Let Tiffany speak for herself.
Go ahead.
Hi, Rebecca.
So am I allowed to finish actually answering the question or?
Let's try to limit it to three people.
Let's try to limit it to three people all the time.
Can I stop hitting the mute button at the same time that I do?
Rebecca, go ahead and finish your statement, and then I'll yield.
Go ahead.
Bottom left corner.
You got to unmute, bottom left corner.
Okay, sorry. I was talking, didn't realize I muted it.
Yeah.
The lack of common sense and logic here is so frustrating.
And this is Mario when you asked why I was a little bit like, eh.
But there is not currently a law in any state in the United States right now
that prevents a teacher from saying anything that they've discussed to a parent.
No one is challenging that there should be a law.
What is happening in the state of Florida in another states is that states are trying to pass laws that compel
teachers to report these things.
That is, and sorry, but yes, there is a bit of nuance and a difference when whether or not you are allowed to or whether or not you are forced to, whether or not you are mandated to.
report are two entirely different things when you're talking from a legal perspective.
Oh, Rebecca.
So if, and we're talking. And since we're talking about laws, the legal perspective. So I'm willing
to engage in this conversation. So we're going to talk about something very, you're
I don't even know who you are. My name is Tiffany Justice. I think you do know, actually. I'm the co-founder of an organization.
Why would I know that?
Because you obviously do.
I mean, okay, let's just go past it.
I mean, I know moms for liberty, but I thought it was, I thought it was the lady.
Wait, Rebecca.
Wait, I thought somebody else was the founder.
Rebecca.
The wife of the guy who's culprit?
No, it's, okay, yeah.
Mom's thing, Rebecca, I'm no one.
That's who I am.
Okay.
Okay. I just happen to know about a lot of stuff happening across the country. So I'm going to be very specific about Florida with you in two cases of parents whose children were put into social gender transition in their county district schools without their consent or knowledge. Rebecca, let me talk. You talked a lot. Now I'm going to talk and if you don't want to listen, you can leave. Okay.
Okay, okay, no, no, no, okay, see, because you know what?
Adios, Rebecca.
Guys, guys, guys, guys, can you stop?
Guys, let's just keep the discussion focused on the point.
There we go, great.
Thanks, protocol.
Like, how can we have discussions when you go?
Ideos, Rebecca.
I mean, to be fair, it's like, why would you be able to?
Mario, there was a little girl that tried to kill herself in a school in Clay County, Florida.
And she was put into a transition program and her parents didn't know.
And it's a case right now, his name, their last name is Perez.
There was another case in Leon County where it happened.
There's another case in Massachusetts where it happened.
It is happening in schools.
I don't like it.
I'm not happy about it.
I'm not celebrating it, but it needs to stop.
Okay, so let me, let me ask Max a question here.
You can point to any, you can point to any case and try and make it.
Hold on, Joe.
I'm going to get Max in here real quick because, you know, he is, you know, he's very involved in Florida.
He lives in Florida.
He pays a lot of attention to legislation down there.
And, you know, I guess Rebecca can come back up if she wants to talk about this and maybe debate the topic.
So there's an open invite for her, but she was a strong...
I think when the arguments are weak, people don't want to stay in the kitchen.
I think, I mean, I think basically, you know, I don't know about statewide policy,
but there are districts whose policy it is to not tell parents anything if they have confidential conversations with students.
And then there are districts who have the exact opposite policy, which is you are obligated.
to tell parents about the conversations that you have with students.
And, you know, that disclosure is a very important thing because, you know, Rebecca Jones was just up here.
Her son threatened to shoot up a middle school.
Those conversations were revealed, and it's really important that that happened because the law enforcement was able to act.
Okay.
Can I just please explain why?
I can explain why, and I've got to drop off, please.
So what they're doing is it's not the teachers.
Okay.
It's not the teachers that have this type of protection.
This is why they're flooding the schools with the counselors and the social workers.
And what they do, would they send them to the counselors, the school counselors, and with the school counselors, and with the school counselors under their ethics...
They hide behind the confidentiality and what's called in loco parentas.
So when you drop your child off at school, it means they are in place of the parent.
They also, if a child, you know, God forbid, commits suicide.
or attempts it because of what's going on in their life.
And the parents have no idea because the school is hiding it from them.
They also then in court will claim that there were unknown variables.
That is their words.
I went through all of the training.
So the reason that they're able to do this is because they have changed the definition of what emotional abuse is.
This is the systemic change that I keep talking about.
So if a child believes they are a different gender...
then in their and their parents don't agree with that they're emotionally abusing them and and they don't have to change the laws they change the definitions of what people believe they mean and in there's then they don't have to change the laws typically most people understand what abuse of a child means but you have to understand they have now redefined that right
term to mean that if you do not believe your child at two, three, four, five, six, whatever
years old is gender fluid and they can make that decision for themselves, then you are
abusing your child. That's what that means. Thank you.
What two-year-old is going to public school and telling their counselor that they're gay?
Okay.
Right, right. But under the American School Counseling Association, if you go through their training, some of the questions that they have are, well, what is appropriate? You have brand new teachers and counselors going through this training, and they're asking these supposed experts on this, how do we know if it's real or if it's just kind of a contagion or a phase? And so, and their answer is a child can know as soon as they can talk.
And so that's the school counselors that are put in place.
That's who is allowed to take your child in, have a conversation with them.
And then if they ask their, they will ask them, do you feel safe telling your parent this?
Do you feel safe?
Do you have someone outside of the school that you can talk to?
And if they say no...
then they will hide this from you.
They will allow the child to socially transition,
even in their ethics and their position statements,
it states that they are to have a meeting with all of the teachers involved with that child.
They can allow that child to change their name,
within the classroom, they can come and get new clothes at the school every day.
They can use the opposite.
Jennifer, if this is something at home, if this is something, if a child that too is saying that he's gay,
he's probably something he learned at home, not something learned at school.
And should they put that kid in danger by saying, oh, no, I need to go tell your parents?
Because...
Suicides from kids who tell their parents that they're gay and they're rejected is actually very high, right?
And the only thing the school's doing is allowing them to live freely.
They're not transitioning the child.
And that's a whole kind of position.
It's about liberty.
That's a false statement.
And my point from the American School Counseling Association.
What's a false statement?
That the, the,
children come out as gay and their suicide rate is very high.
No, I didn't say, no, I didn't say that.
I said it was higher than what you're talking about.
You pointed to two cases and made a whole theory about the entire country because of two cases.
I have, there's a, there's a recent article in the New York Times about a kid who tried to commit suicide.
And then because he tried to commit suicide, his mom finally decided to accept it.
I can point to many cases like that.
But that's not, I'm asking for statistics.
And you guys only keep pointing to just cases.
So can I speak to that for a second?
May I speak to that for a second?
Because we have a diverse membership that I think is often really negated by the media.
And we have a lot of chapter chairs who are lesbians who have kids.
They're very fiercely protective of their parental rights.
And it's been very interesting to watch across America as parental rights has really kind of soared to become an issue.
I just feel like as parents coming together, there are things that are happening that are affecting our kids.
So can I, Tiffany, is that you speaking?
Mario, can I just ask really quickly, Mario?
Yeah, go ahead, Sarah.
I want to know a specific school district that is verifiable that is teaching a kid that I don't want any studies.
Nothing.
I want the name of the school district.
It's pinned up top.
That's one in the board voted to uphold it.
All right.
Europe has already moved away from gender affirming care for minors.
So it's funny that they're trying to throw gays into the argument when studies show a large bulk of this.
if they aren't given gender farming to care, do end up becoming homosexual.
And so do you believe that they've been living that lie when their children and being fed this and that they change their mind?
Like, this is much more complicated than they're making it.
And there's other issues that play, right?
Well, I would also like to say that a lot of the things that are happening in the schools aren't coming through curriculum.
They're coming through organizations that are working through the school board members and through the district employees.
So they provide-
Jennifer said it is curriculum.
Jennifer said it's curriculum.
But no, I think-
No, I did not.
I'm sorry.
I did not.
I did not say it was curriculum.
I said it was systemic.
I actually argued against it being curriculum.
I said it was a systemic change.
And that's why I was saying you can't look at curriculum.
Okay.
But let's be honest, let's talk about that, right?
I mean, I do think...
You told Ed that he wouldn't know based on what has sent home from his kids' school looking at their homework.
Yeah, because I said it was...
Yeah, Sarah, because I said...
Come on.
Yes, exactly. It's not in the curriculum. I said it was systemic.
You know what? Sarah, do you know what I would like to, you would understand? I would like for you with me.
Let let me speak. I said, what I said, Sarah, was that's right. You won't see it in the curriculum.
It's not going to come home on a worksheet in most states. What I said was it is systemic, which included the teaching method.
And that was the example that I gave. And that's what I told Ed.
I can tell you it's in the curriculum in New Jersey and New York.
I've dealt with school boards for my nephews and my nieces.
It's required.
When I grew up, sex ed was in fifth or sixth grade.
You had an hour.
You want to squeeze in something at that time, but to devote this at a time when childhood education is collapsing.
I mean, we got the reading and math scores.
The civic scores just came out.
These kids don't know anything.
And it's not by chance that as we focus more and more on this,
it's not leading to less suicides.
It's leading to a proliferation of this onset for people who might just feel awkward.
Listen, in the 50s, you might have been a beatneck.
In the 60s and 70s, you might have been a hippie.
Now you make it seem like the counselors and the teachers aren't happily pushing this.
They're activists, right?
And when you say, why should you do this?
Well, if it is a condition where there's 40% attempted suicide,
and it's shown that children outgrow this and live in normal life
and never say these people betrayed me, then the parents should know.
So to try to couch this in humanity and everything else is a lie, because the kids are failing there.
And the last point, you want this to end?
Get rid of the money.
Just like they did for molestation and everything else, I'm for it.
Remove the statute of limitations.
You're a doctor, you're a teacher, you're a parent, and you tell your kid this is the way, and they grow up later, and they regret it.
And they hate their life in the mutilation.
You're open for it.
And if it is profitable in helping these kids,
malpractice insurance won't care because it'll be rare and simple.
They will not talk about this because it's a money-making machine.
They've protected it, and they don't want to remove it
because they know when it's done, it's over for life and they have a client.
Remove the statute.
You feel confident?
Science is settled.
You can't even name how many genders there are.
There's no ones coming out every day.
Then remove the statute of limitations, and we'll see all these kids who detransition.
And when they sue your ass and you end up in jail, we'll see who's right.
It's very simple.
And I don't care.
They'll never vote for me anyway.
So let them do it.
For me, God bless.
Blue cities want abortion?
Let them go for it.
You want to mutilate your child?
Go ahead.
there's more of you than us anyway.
Enjoy it.
But open it up for Statue of Liability and you see how you feel.
There's going to be more and more cases of kids walking around, regretting their decisions,
led astray by activists and big moneyed interests, and then you should pay the price.
Because you believe the science is settled, just like you believe lockdowns, just like you believe mass,
just like you believe the COVID-Vax.
So let's remove the statute of liabilities and we'll see in 20 years.
I'm sorry, who's the you're referring to?
Are you referring to me?
Are you referring to...
I haven't heard anything you said, but anybody who supports it?
You.
You know how much I hate that you're such a good speaker?
It pisses me off.
It's the whole thing is like just fat lines, like someone's doing fat lines of like catastrophize.
I know, I know.
But it is.
How do we go from fucking trans, whether or not trans kids should have the right to like be educated?
To the war, to the war in Ukraine and COVID.
And the debt ceiling.
And then he does it in such a way that I think like he beat me.
Like this is so weird.
Like you feel like he won the argument, but he could be talking about something completely different.
It's so fucking weird.
He didn't be a argument, bro.
He always...
He didn't win.
Let Nick speak.
Nick is a good speaker.
He smashed you, Mario.
Get used to it.
I wasn't even talking.
What I mean to smash me?
Hold on.
Hold on.
What did he mean?
I wasn't even talking about either.
I'm going to head out because I just got back from the shore.
They do great work.
And listen, people can, it's the same people telling you that Blue Cities are doing great.
They tell you that they're doing for the United.
So what's protocol, quick question.
Protocol, quick question.
Listen to them both.
They know what they're talking.
What's happening in the Ukraine war?
Protocol, what's happening in the Ukraine war, by the way?
What do you think about the counteroffensive coming in?
I mean, they said it was late April, then early May, now mid-May.
I mean, I don't know.
I mean, everybody agrees that this counter-offensive is going to decide if Ukraine can sustain the war
and if the West will continue to be able to fund it.
Do you think if they start regaining territory that shows Russia losing?
I mean, it depends how able they are to control it.
I don't think they, I don't know if they've solved their artillery issues,
their air support.
I mean, I mean, if I'm a betting, man, it's the same thing I've been saying since the beginning.
I mean, I...
the West, I don't care about Ukraine.
I care about the American economy if it's going to collapse.
I care about if the third world is able to eat because they can't afford food and gas.
But what happened?
What happened to the whole banking crisis, man?
The banking system seems to be pretty good.
We covered from First Republic.
Commercial banking hasn't hit yet, right?
I mean, these cities are bleeding dry.
San Francisco has an $800 million deficit.
the property tax appeals haven't started because most of the commercial landlords don't want to
reassess it for the new lower value because they won't be able to get loans to finance it.
Like this is, this is the few banks we saw go down, not the few banks because it's bigger than
the Great Recession already, at least capital-wise.
But, you know, we never, we didn't expect those.
We were always expecting blowups of pensions, commercial funds, et cetera, inability to refinance
which is what we're seeing, right?
We're paying, they're asking, oh, why do you care?
We're paying more interest on debt than we do in our military in almost anything.
I have another question. Do you think the world today is better than it was 50 years ago?
In some respects, yes, in some respects. No. If you look at the surveys and the studies, women after 30, 40 are not happier. You look at children. You look at deaths of despair. In the U.S., it's not there.
Defts of despair are hitting record highs. People are off.
Wait, what is the, where did you get that information, the women 30 and 40 are not happy?
Yeah.
A simple Google, I say not happy.
The internet.
Oh, Google, like the first search results?
No, no, yeah, I'm Google.
That's what people know me as.
I'm an idiot.
I mean, I'm not educated.
Just because I speak regular, like, let me tell people in the audience one thing.
If somebody's using jargon and big words, it's usually because they can't explain complex subjects, simple enough.
Exactly.
That's what Suleim does.
This is what Suleim does all the time.
If somebody can argue that I'm broke, you think that you use them more than one syllable in a word.
So yes, yes, depression.
so let's be that depression so hold on protocol depression all right we're making we're talking about
depression we're talking about depression so all about you so depression has increased in the five
in the five decades in the u.s according to the national institute of mental health
the prevalence of major depressive disorder in the u.s increased from 3.5 percent in 1971 to 7.4
percent in 2017 this means that the number of people in with mdd in the u.s has increased by more
than double over the past five decades
possible explanation increase awareness of depression changes in the way we live generic genetic factors
and environmental factors so that's one way the world's gotten worse what about drug advertising too
and what about the way how has the world improved protocol because there's not many positives
that come out of the clean water electricity i mean availability of food technology i mean it's a double
medicine how about medicine how about medicine because i know you're a big vaccine guy yeah i'm a fan of listen i have
I had, even if it wasn't an M RNA vaccine, I had an issue with it just because all the trials showed ADE developed.
And right now, I don't know if you've seen the recent studies.
They're just saying negative efficacy.
But I know for a fact they haven't really looked at other viruses.
You're probably, Protigo, if I had a wish to meet anyone on Twitter, the Twitter's feed, I promise you it's you.
You're the most interesting, weirdest guy I know.
You know so much shit, but we disagree so much.
But and you're so well spoken.
You jump on.
You have a fob.
You jump on.
Say a whole bunch of shit.
Jump off.
Always causing trouble.
Every fucking time causing trouble.
Always losing me.
Losing me a couple of panelists.
And then for some reason you never get WhatsApp to message me because you're like double or seven or something.
Just an app.
At all times.
I don't know who you are.
I don't know your history.
But I will end on this.
It's Memorial Day.
You know, God bless our fault.
Let's say, let's wrap them.
Let me just say.
Blue cities.
You mentioned Blue Cities.
I agree with you always on economics and bricks, but you mentioned blue cities, and that's a point that always irks the hell out of me, because the top ten cities in the U.S. or most populated in U.S. are all blue, but when you look at murder rates, they're typically red.
And Republicans hate admitting that, but that's the truth.
Yeah, are those blue cities in red states?
Yeah.
But all the cities are blue.
The top 10 most populated cities in America are blue.
They're all blue.
People who live in cities are more liberal.
How many of them are failing?
How's Philly looking?
How's New York doing?
How San Francisco?
They're liberal.
People in cities are typically liberal.
Pradical has nothing to do with the fact they're blue.
I'm looking for it for the budget battles.
Okay.
Why don't you talk about the state?
Why don't you talk about the states?
Why don't you look at the top of ten states in the highest rate per population?
They're all red.
They're almost all red.
They're all red except for one prodigal.
The blue cities had sanctuary cities, right?
Did the governor said a truth?
Like, I want to do that.
I wish they would.
I don't.
I wish Trump sent in fed to say,
I'm going to get these narcos,
I'm going to get MS-13,
and I'm going to get the drunk drivers
that are killing people.
I agree.
But we're at a point now
where one side can pick and choose
what they want to do, smear the other,
bring false investigation.
Like, that's where we are.
Like, we're talking about this.
We haven't even solved,
Russia Gate, locked up, nothing.
Like...
it's going to get worse people and that's fine
if you're smart you can make money because all the other people
I'll tell you what the people my moves are based on all the moves these people follow
and nobody's doing well
they ask about productivity maybe US productivity
is hitting the lowest level since
the mid fucking 20th century since World War II because
people at work have to go to 20 conference meetings to learn a new gender that comes out every week.
Maybe that's why you have to go to 20 conference meetings to learn about a new gender.
That's what I mean.
You say shit that's so weird, but you say in such an eloquent way that it seems you just made such an incredible point.
But when I listen to you, I'm like, what the hell did he just say?
Anyway, guys, we're going to wrap up.
We're going to do a quick 10-minute space for subscribers.
So if you go on my profile, click on the...
It's so shocking.
Did you say it's the truth that they go to 20, their productivity is dropped because they go to 20 conference meetings, talk about gender identity?
We're about to have one on Mario Spaces, join in.
Yeah, let's go, let's go, let's go wrap up the space.
Let's do a 10-minute discussion on a subscribed space that we do.
People from the audience can come up as well.
So just go in, subscribe, I'll kick it off now.
And I'll see you all there.
Nick Suli, let's go there, guys.
Let's do it for quick, 10 minutes for everyone.
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