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We've got it. Okay, awesome. Well, I think we can kick it off. Apologies, everyone, for the slight Twitter hiccup. We accounted our chickens before they hatched there because we were celebrating in our little side chat. Hey, it's working. Not this time, Elon, but he fouled our plans yet again.
But we're back. So today we are going to be talking about tell us and void and more specifically, void and then tell us because void has been an application in the antelope bio previously had a different name tech stack and been around since the beginning had a luxury and the opportunity
to meet with John Header from Boyd at the recent Austin 2023 consensus event. Did a little interview with John and he told us some interesting bits about what he's been and his staff have been able to do with Boyd. One of the things that I found interesting that we'll get into in this conversation
So, the conversation is just how they're trying to abstract away the complications of blockchain with in terms of the user experience and really trying to make it a traditional experience for the web to folks out there, but incorporating aspects of web three, which is the blockchain bit.
I think I'm just going to do a little, I was doing some reading here and I found your white paper gentleman and I think there's a few, this is one of the questions we want to get into after we do the intros. It's just the kind of the stages of boy because it seems to me this is a project that's evolved quite a bit. You've been working in this for some time.
And now we've got this frontier, this Boyd 2.0 platform that's launching. But the original white paper, I guess it's the white paper 2.0, says the Boyd network or Boyd net is a decentralized platform which acts as an accessible gateway for a broad audience of users to participate in.
and benefit from distributed computing and blockchain networks. Interesting to combine now distributed computing, which is something we've heard about before and now with blockchain. Realizing this objective requires a focus on accessible user experience combined with a novel consensus mechanism which
evolves over time based on the sentiment of the community members. Quite a bit there. It's quite interesting. I really like to kind of peel back some of that and get into it. But before that, how about we do some brief introductions and maybe John, do you want to come on first and just introduce yourself in a little bit about your background?
Sure, thanks Chris. Yeah, my name is John. I'm the original founder of the Boy Project. I've been working on it since 2018 or so and I
And my background before I got into the blockchain space was I worked in the video games industry. So my thinking or my perspective has always been about how do you make things
accessible and engaging. And I've always been attracted to the blockchain space because I see it as a way that we can take mechanism design.
And bringing it into an application where it can have a large impact on a very large number of people. So for example, like incentivizing people to participate in XYZ using tokens, the ability for communities to come together and say,
like we're going to make a token that captures some value in our community that we all see as valuable and this token helps us to quantify that value. So to me that's what's really interesting about the space and I'm also like a pretty technical person. I do a lot of the
programming so i got into building on the antelope tech stack because i like the technology and i agree with the decisions made for the software so yeah that's a bit about me awesome yeah it's interesting i didn't realize you had a gaming
background first. So I guess the whole idea of kind of what GameFi is trying to do is probably something that you've had on your mind since you first learned about blockchain, probably relating that back. And you mentioned like the whole gamification using tokens to incentivize collaboration. Sounds like that it all makes sense what's coming around the corner in terms of that GameFi piece.
Okay, here. Well, let's pass it over to Seth. You want to do a little intro as well, Seth. Tell us about yourself. Yeah, hi guys. So my name is Seth. I've been dealing with the operations on board some development recently around the infrastructure for the
for the BPP and also a lot of stuff for EOS and like Europe chain. I've been in blockchain for around five years and before that for around 16 years I've been a systems administrator and a taxi dispatcher.
such system specialists. And well, that's about it. I've been working, like, operating with some projects in the past on Antelope, like Vigor, Uplift, Blockbase. So I've been doing quite a lot of things.
Okay, so experience team lots of depth diversity sounds like you both you kind of cover different aspects of what it takes to run a successful venture in this Emergent Web 3 space So that's very cool. So I guess maybe let's just go back to the beginning and we can talk about sort of the origin of Boyd and
It's maybe just kind of migrate that into how Boyd has transformed over time because it does sound like sort of the fit or the gaps you're trying to fill in the marketplace have probably evolved since Boyd first began. So I don't know which one of you wants to take that but maybe some of the origin stories of Boyd.
Well, Void was originally inspired by this project called GridCoin, which is actually still alive today, but it's much smaller than it used to be.
And it was gridcoin was actually the project that made me that made like blockchain finally click in my head when I was learning about how this thing worked and the idea of gridcoin is that they issue tokens on their own blockchain based on your contribution.
to distribute science projects. And I was like, that's really interesting because people donate their computing power to cancer research and all kinds of different research that got like
of viruses, physics, mathematics, things like that. And you know, you have this quantity of computing power, which is like comparable to the world's most powerful supercomputers for free, right? So it's like, what is
What compels people to do that? Because no one is mining bitcoins for free or whatever, right? There's a really strong distinction between people that are mining out of the good of their heart or because of something that they believe in versus people that are purely
profit-seeking. I also felt like we have all this proof of work mining for consensus. What if that proof of work was actually useful work that actually contributed to something instead of just random hashes? That was
always just a fascinating concept to me, the idea that you could maybe combine the kind of monetary incentives of the blockchain space and the kind of feel good contribute to something that's
larger than yourself, philanthropic contributions of the volunteer distributed computing space, which already had a lot of gamification. Already has a lot of mechanism design built into it. Actually, these teams
very competitive that contribute to these distributed science projects. They have leaderboards and they compete against other websites. They'll have websites, they'll have their own team and they'll try to recruit people. But the interface, the user experience was just terrible.
It was all built by researchers they don't have the budget for proper user interface or marketing people so and it hasn't been updated you know since the 90s so these interfaces are just ancient right so To me there was like a clear there was clearly like some way you can do
these two worlds together. So that was the genesis of a void. And the white paper actually covers, honestly, like the white paper kind of covers where we are now, which is like basically like the last section of the white paper is like, hey, you know, once we have this void
power thing, we could use void power as a metric or like as a resource in other applications. So other applications could be like games for example. You could imagine if you have like the strategy game where your void
Power is your resource that powers your army right something like that So that's kind of where we are now where we're like okay, well we've built up this system where people can unboiled power for their contributions and now what can we build on top of that boy power additionally
I think a good direction to take void and this is something that we probably will be focusing on next year is expanding out of like distributed computing. The idea that maybe you could earn void power for other types of activities
like maybe kind of like these applications that track your steps or physical activity or maybe you can earn boy power for making a donation to charity or something like that. So, you know, we're open.
you know, exploring ideas for expanding outside of just distributed computing as well. I hope that answered all your questions. It did, but I'm wondering, so I'm looking at this one, the universe, like you've got a boyverse. Is that still, is that still a thing? The boyverse side of what you were building?
Yeah, voidverse is just kind of what we call everything outside of the core void application. So okay, every likely
the avatars, the games that we're working on, things like that that kind of connect to Boyd. We just call that Boyd universe. It's kind of a blanket term.
Okay, yeah, because I'm looking at universe.boy.com/universe. And it's, and so it's like it just seems so you've got so much other goal. Like you've got buildings talked about here, shipyards, foundries, research station. So it's almost like this.
It's a whole game game like it's a it's a full-on game, but you're bringing it back to this Underpinning Boyd power concept so you're it's it's really quite interesting like it and that's why I was trying to like wrap my head around well how does this all fit together?
together and it sounds like it's through the boy power piece is sort of that uniting common aspect that then ties in the super computer piece to all this other gamified fun things that users can do.
Yeah, and maybe I could quickly explain void power for people that aren't familiar. It's essentially like your hash rate in the ecosystem and when you run the void application and contribute your resources, your void account accumulates this
Boyd Power metric someone described it as like a credit rating for your computer, you know, it's kind of like an average Recent average of your contributions to the network and then that boy power determines, you know many things in the application and
can be used for external applications, which is what we're building with Boyd avatars, or Boyd universe. Boyd avatars is like an example of that as well. Right, we can see I think Seth, he's got his Boyd avatar as his Twitter profile.
handle. I do a picture there. I've got one too because you did some custom ones that was super awesome. So maybe okay, so let's kind of step it back just a second and we're thinking we've got a new peep, a lot of new eyeballs and ears here learning about boy for the first time. Is there, well can you be described that they use
or experience or the user journey, like where would someone go if they're listening to this space right now and they're like, okay, this sounds kind of interesting, I've got a computer, I could maybe put it to work doing something and there's all this other fun gamified stuff. Where do they start? Where's like a maybe just kind of walk us through what the optimal user journey
it would be in terms of integrating with your product. Sure. So right now we are in a transitionary phase from the EOS application that was running for years that we shut down and we have rebuilt the
software and have it running on the telos testnet today. We have a rewards program for early adopters that want to try out the new version of void on the testnet called void frontier and we have instructions for how to get started at
So if you follow the instructions there, it will link you to the TestNet application. You can get it in vitelink, which you just need to ask in one of our social channels, like if you join our telegram, for example, just ask
for an invite link and you'll get one very quickly. And the basic gist of it is that you can install the folding at home application on your computer and let that run in the background as part of the Boyd team. And we have instructions for how to do all this. And then you will earn
and boy power on the test net. And then we have a script that pays people, boy tokens, real boy tokens based on their test net contributions. And we also do regular events where you can earn NFTs for your participation as well.
Okay, very cool. And so that, and then eventually it sounds like the on the road map, it will be there will be a migration from Telos testnet to Telos mainnet. The boy tokens themselves, I seem to recall those there was there was an EOS version of the boy token. Are these now a Telos version of that same token or are they
sort of maybe using IBC and they're able to be moved between chains. - Yeah, yeah. So we have an IBC, we have an IBC version of the Boyd token on Telos mainnet already. So that's actually how we do the payouts for the testnet participation.
We're not really planning on doing, I mean, like basically like the EOS boy tokens are like the canonical tokens, that's not going to change, but most of the activity is going to be on tell us in the future. So, um,
all the token, I mean, you know, a large number of the tokens are going to be bridged over to tell us via IBC. We're actually, we have, we have kind of like a prototype IBC implementation right now, and we're going to be upgrading to the new official antelope, like trustless antelope IBC system.
them probably sometime next month. So yeah, but the tokens are all transfer, you know, transferable. So even if you bridge your tokens over today, you can swap them for the new IVC tokens when that new system is available easily. We already have
contract that does that for you. Awesome. And then of course those who have been playing along all this time, it sounds that's great that you're honoring those initial kind of token distribution prior to the migration over to Telos, which is always a good way to do it. Question on, so you mentioned
you used to be on EOS and now you've kind of rebuilt your software and you're going to run it on telos. There are some small differences as we know between EOS and telos. One of the primary ones is likely the resource model where EOS uses a gas model even for its native platform where on telos it's a staked token to have access
resources on native, where the EVM, however, is a gas model. So maybe can you just kind of talk us a little bit through this is, you know, seeing as this is a telos cross-boiled spaces, a lot of telos folks here. I'm sure I'd be curious to hear maybe some of your decision making and why did you decide to make the switch from EOS to telos.
Here, there's a few reasons. So I would say the primary reason is that we just feel like the tell us community is a better fit for what we're trying to build. And we have, on the EOS application, we have teams.
where we had many different teams for different projects, different BP's, different blockchains. And the Tellos team was reliably one of the top performers. And it actually was the number one team.
for the majority of the time that it was operational. So we always felt, and you know, we're running on ES, you know, and the Tellus community showed up, right? We're like, wow, that's awesome. And we just felt like we're more aligned with the Tellus community.
community philosophy. And also like I mean I remember watching the original white paper document made by Douglas Horn where he walks through the changes that they made on the teloside versus the eos and explain why the changes that they made to like
the RAM market, to the distribution, to governance, requiring exchanges to sign an agreement that they want to vote with customer funds. These are simple solutions that maybe they don't solve 100% of the problems.
but they get us way closer. Like they're great easy solutions to known problems. And I always felt like the Taylor's community was a bit ahead of EOS in that regard. Like they always kind of saw what was coming around.
around the corner and doing things first. The EVM is a perfect example. They have the EVM up for what like a year or two before the EOS EVM. This is consistent. Whenever Talos is doing something, we're like, "Okay, this is probably what EOS is going to be looking
at like any year or something like that. So we like the technical innovation. We like the just good vibes of the community. It's a very positive community to work in. How everything is grassroots. So yeah, so in the
So that's really the primary reason. Secondarily, we prefer the resource model. We think like staking for resources is just much simpler than triggering power-ups in the complexity of that on the OOS. And also like because time
is a smaller chain in terms of, you know, market cap, the resource, well, the resource costs are less expensive, like the RAM, the cost to store data on chain using RAM is less. So that makes it more appealing
for applications that want to build everything on chain, which is what we want to do. So the EOS application, it was like maybe half was on chain, half was off chain, and that led to a lot of problems, a lot of technical issues because these two systems trying to work on top of each
So the new system is totally re-architected completely, everything is completely on chain and this makes things much more scalable and we could only do that on telos because of their resource costs are a better fit for us.
So yeah, that's the primary reasons. Well, great reasons. And I'm sure all that all those parts about how the community is welcoming and just as a good attitude and seems to be well in terms of the tech side, always a bit of a step ahead that will make all of the
Tell those folks blush and feel quite happy with themselves as we should So that's awesome in the end right this is all about people in community as much as this is a blockchain thing and it's all computers and tech and whatever it doesn't mean anything if the humans who all this is meant to help enrich our lives and add value to if the humans don't get a
involved and they're not enjoying themselves and what's the point in the end. And so we're speaking of that human experience. I know, so when I interviewed you at Consensus, you mentioned something about sort of the login process in the wallet and just how the idea of really being successful like Web 3 is going to make it when
And the web two users don't even realize they're using quote-unquote a blockchain or a web three enabled platform. But you just mentioned that all of the, like, because you switched to telos, so much more of your application will actually occur on chain. I'm curious how you are
consiling those pieces. So, is it anticipated that a user will in fact have to go through the whole wallet, login, sign up piece, or is that going to be somewhat abstracted away, and then that can be added later based on user demand? Does that make sense as a question? Yeah, yeah, no.
Well, I mean, to me, the primary hurdle for onboarding new users is having them set up a wallet and set up an account and store their keys and things like that. And because the target market for Boyd is ultimately people that are
not like blockchain people. That's kind of our goal. We knew that we needed some kind of a solution for people to use the application. Additionally, if you're doing DeFi and you're doing two or three transactions,
day or whatever and it's fine. But if you're like playing a game or using the social network, you're making many interactions and you don't want to have to pull up your wallet and go through the whole signing process for every action, especially the non-financial ones.
There's various solutions kind of in the works by other teams, but we wanted to have something ready today that would solve this problem for us. So we, so this is probably the largest
just like technical innovation of the new version of void, it has this kind of multi-tiered authentication system built right into the contract. So at the most basic level, anyone can
You need an invite link. So someone, what happens is that the invite link actually is what pays for the original cost of the account creation. So whoever made the invite link for you is fronting the cost for you and they are marked on your account as a sponsor.
Now, as you earn whoever uses your invite link, as they earn boy tokens, whoever sponsored them gets a cut of those tokens. So it's a way for you to create invite links for people that you think will be active on the system.
And you can make the cost back from the sponsorship and the user can upgrade their accounts to remove the sponsor and they pay a fee in order to do that and the fee goes to the sponsor as well.
good sponsor, you could earn lots of boy tokens just from inviting the right people. And so that's one part of how you own board people. So we do have a cost for creating an account, but we allow anyone to pay for that cost and we give them an incentive to pay for that cost.
Secondly, you don't need any kind of wallet to authenticate and participate in the application. The way we have it working today is that you can use an email password which everyone is familiar with. The email password actually
of private key for you in your web browser which is stored in the browser. And you can click around and do everything in the application seamlessly. It feels like a Web 2 application. But what's happening when you're clicking is actually it's signing the transaction using that store private key.
And then pushing it to one of our relay nodes, which is responsible for actually putting it on chain for you. So yeah, this relay system allows us, allows users to not have chain accounts. And they can interact with everything on the application without a chain account.
Now, if you want to withdraw funds out of your Boyd account, you do need a chain account obviously. So we have the ability for you to link, you can log in with anchor and link your chain account with your Boyd ID, which is like the internal Boyd account. And that allows you to withdraw
funds out of your account to transfer funds to other accounts so you could go play on DeFi and do other things in the telos ecosystem. So I think of it like we use the wallet as your two-factor authentication application. Kind of like when you're withdrawing funds from an exchange
change it might ask you for your two factor authentication. This is the same exact same flow. So from the user perspective, it will feel very similar to a traditional web to application, but it is 100% on chain. And that's something that we can only really achieve building
on Telos in my opinion. That is very cool. And it sounds like you've architected a way that a lot of budding Web2 migrating to Web3 platforms should consider where it's not, it's not, basically you're leaving it as a Web2 thing, but there's this Web2
So, if you want to create a new user, you can create a new user, and then it's up to the user to take that additional step if they so desire to create their TELOS wallet, tie that into your platform, linking those together. And so, that step doesn't become a hurdle to adoption, which I think is really the key piece, right?
familiar with, they don't have to have a wallet, all that jazz. But then later, maybe that's where they decide, "Hey, I've actually accumulated some value here. I'd like to play around with some other stuff or cash out or whatever." And then they have to go through that last leg of actually migrating their understanding and setting up the web three piece. Does that, does that have fair summary?
Yep, exactly. We allow people to onboard their own pace and everyone has access to all the same features and functionality, even if they don't have a chain account, they can still do everything that everyone else can do. And we don't have two systems like the old boy
application, it also allowed you to log in with the email password, but that email password was a traditional web to account off-chain. So trying to merge the on-chain accounts with the off-chain accounts caused all kinds of problems.
And ironically the off chain account system was the bottleneck not the on chain system So it's really like people often say like oh, we tried to do roll chain and you know that was our hurdle. It's like no actually for the analog
So, tech stack, everything that's not on chain is the hurdle. So, that's just kind of what we've learned, is embrace, embrace building on chain. Interesting, and maybe that's where, so with this new TED P4, the Tell us economic development plan for,
really painted this picture of a multi-layered ecosystem where telos native becomes this layer zero and then other blockchains can be spun up on top of that and sort of use the IBC to kind of move or other NFTs or value or whatever back to the main chain.
But you can have this higher throughput by having these on-demand chains or more chains in general in this broader ecosystem approach. It sounds like, to your point, it's easier to have more things on-chain than not. So that becomes even further easier.
by the fact that there will be multiple chains now working together in concert and removing maybe some of the bloat that might exist on the main chain because you can have these on demand chains that you don't need everything kept for eternity just for a small period of time dump that chain prior to the dumping you're migrating all your assets through IBC back
to the main chain to your main account and then spin up a new chain. Is that something as far as functionality and an architectural approach? Does that do agree with that approach that Telus is now making? And is that something that even Boyd might even try to leverage in terms of how you evolve and expand your product?
Oh yeah, I mean the original version of Boyd in the original white white paper which I might be able to dig up we said that basically we want to we we think that boy will be its own blockchain and it'll be connected to EOS via
IBC because IBC was one of the original features that was promised, you know, for the tech stack. And I have always felt that this is the proper way to scale. You can see it. The innovation has happened mostly
in the cosmos ecosystem because they got proper trustless IBC working before anyone else and they really embraced it. They have like, you know, every application in cosmos is its own chain. So they probably went a little too far
There's kind of got to be something in between because every application doesn't need its own chain. There's all kinds of issues there. So I think of it, if you think of the early days of the internet, like the first internet infrastructure was these
massive bloated IBM mainframe computers. Basically, it's like a mini supercomputer and it runs, you know, it'll run thousands of websites and all this processes are all running on one machine. And the reason is because the latency, the latency, the internet was so
slow when those websites need to share information, they needed to be co-located to share information. Now the internet is so fast, it doesn't even matter, we can, internet's websites can all share information instantly over the normal internet so they don't need to be co-located on the same chain.
So they can now that we have IBC, we can have applications, we can start spreading out of it and have something like what the internet looks like today where you have like, you know, millions of different virtual machines running on different hardware all over the world.
distributed. So yeah, that's the only way to scale because you can't just like stuff it all on one blockchain, right? Now there's some disadvantages to, you know, scaling across multiple chains, which is you have like liquidity fragmentation.
For example, where, oh, you have liquidity pools split across all these different chains and none of them really have the volume or whatever. But as you get like faster finality, as the ability for the chains to communicate between each other becomes faster and faster
faster, this is like going to become less of an issue. And so yeah, I definitely believe that that's the future. And the only reason that it isn't that way today is mostly like technical reasons, like the technology to mesh these chains together in that way hasn't existed.
until recently. So yeah, but maybe one day, Boyd will be it's on like sidechain, right? Okay, yeah, well that there you go. It sounds like you've been on this sort of mindset for a long time. So maybe let's talk about the future of Boyd as you see it. I'm thinking about because you're currently on the TELOS TELOS
So I imagine next big milestone will be migrating to mainnet, but do you maybe just talk about sort of the next sort of the runway here for Boyd and where do you see us yourselves in say the next year, but then even really long term like like three, five years, where do you see this platform potentially going in the perfect world?
That's a big question for me, but I think that
For Boyd to accomplish its goal, it needs to be accessible to a broad audience outside of the blockchain space. And it needs to kind of empower individuals that participate in the next
network to co-own the network to govern the direction and have it should basically dictate the values of this community. That's kind of the ultimate goal for boy.
in terms of how long that'll take. I mean, I don't know. We'll see, but we're making good progress on it. And we really love working on Boyd. So I think that's really important that you work on things that you love.
And it's a gift that we've created that we share with the world. Something that we think that people will appreciate. So, but yeah, you should let's hear from some of the other people.
I feel like I've been talking your head off for a while. Yeah, Seth, what do you think? Any of all these different questions that have come through? Anything jump into that you'd like to open on?
Well, John kind of covered most of it, I think. I think what's important is that we need some community engagement and like the plan is, I've been talking to Hi-Fan.
recently and I'm thinking to set up the like a boy universe Tao on Telos on the on mainnet where we're gonna try to get people in to
like govern the direction of development of the point universe and also of the lore and the lore stories.
What is this thing called lower.boy.com where we introduce the whole universe, like the whole concept of a new race or actually many races. There is going to be an individual in the body.
And we already have quite a few stories and some characters and we're going to be releasing some NFTs for the Boyd universe connected to the stories and the characters.
So I think like alongside the original plan that we're doing with all the technical bits, we also, like we're gonna be doing this, this like more artistic thing.
and like all the writing and the graphics and also we have some plans regarding the AI, like NFT generation. So the AI art which will be connected to the void lore also. So yeah.
Very cool. And then it's so lots still on the go in planned and it sounds like you're seeking kind of more community input. This idea of having a DAO to help to sort of shape the path of where boy goes. It's super interesting. Is there, should folks follow your Twitter to find out as these
These sort of advancements and updates come out. Where's the best place for folks to kind of stay informed as to how you're progressing and your plans and if they want to help that they want to get involved, maybe there's some budding developer folks who would like to get engaged with your team or just users, any spots that are ideal for folks to go to?
they can follow us on Twitter but I think that the most, at the best place is probably Telegram. So the Telegram group. We are also on Discord but it's I personally like Telegram more than Discord. But yeah like
I was originally just a community member and I was just hugging John that I want to do this and that and that and that and that's how it all started for me on point and like if someone has an idea and he wants to do it then you know like if if everyone's happy
with it, you know, that person should just do it. Like that's what I was doing in the beginning. And like we are kind of like we actually self-funded so it's not like we have any like spare cash to give to people in a way but obviously like if
If everyone chips in with whatever they're doing and helping the ecosystem, then obviously we can reward them with some like boy tokens. And if everything goes well, then the value of the token goes up so everyone's happy.
Right. Yeah. Well, that makes sense. And it's everyone's kind of similarly aligned incentive, right around that sort of fundamental base token that ties it all together. Sounds very cool.
I mean, I feel like we've been going pretty good here for a solid 45 minutes or so. Have I missed anything? Is there anything that you guys want to tell us about that you'd like to let folks know?
We're pretty much so so like well probably next year we're gonna be Trying to get the the boy colony running which will probably like one of the first things we have to do in the board universe Which connects to the original idea of teams
So in this case, each team will have their own colony and that's where all those buildings and the new resources coming for the colonies. So yeah, so we do have a whole economy
structure that we've been working on, which is connected to the boy token, like mostly to boy power and also something called the boy crystal. So there's a lot of things that there's lots of elements that they will come together at some point.
Okay, very exciting. Well, yeah, you've got a lot on the different websites like I when I was looking through and like I mentioned this one universe.boy.com and reading through how you've like powers players can turn materials into steel aluminum or titanium in the founder
for example. And so it's reminding me of sort of these resource generative type games, which I find personally super fun. So I'm excited to see how this plays out because even if I maybe don't have this passion for folding at home and the
He's kind of global, super-deputer type thing. Maybe I'm a gamer. I just want to play a game and then do something valuable here in the end, but it's all about playing a fun game. So I think that's really exciting that you've got that on the pipeline. So people should follow obviously the telegram. I'm sure you'll tweet about it.
It's on tell us it sounds like. So of course, we're going to be tweeting about it and making sure we share the news when it comes out. So yeah, pretty, pretty exciting. Anything else other than that that we should cover before any calls to action for folks that you want to show it out?
I think we covered everything. All right. Well, John, thank you very much for your time. I think maybe let's plan to do another one of these in a few months when you've made some more progress and keep the community updated with your work and maybe when you demigration from a testnet to native
that might be a good time to do another follow up and then really get folks sort of maybe the how-tos and point them in the right direction so they can participate and engage if the time is right when it's on main net. Of course, it's still you can't on testnet as you pointed out. So that's an option too for people and then
Yeah, pretty exciting that you're not only moving from another chain to tell us it's music to all of our ears, but but also planning to really expand your project out in time and it sounds like you might even take advantage of the whole layers zero concept. So lots of synergies there. And yeah, so thanks a lot for your time guys. We really appreciate it.
Yeah, I think, oh, thanks a lot Chris. That was, that was great. I think we really covered a lot. My only call to action is just to ask people to check out frontier.boy.com.
and join the Boyd Telegram group to learn more. And don't miss out on those rewards for participating in the test net.
Perfect. Well said. Well, thanks gentlemen. Thank you, John. Thank you, Seth. Thank you. Until next time and thank you. Thank you everyone for listening in. We'll talk to you soon.