I just gave an intro but I've got a feeling my mic may well have been muted. I've made Jake a call host today. We did one of these spaces last week with Sonny and Jake Jake was listening in which I thought was great, I appreciate that. But I had feedback saying my audience
wasn't great and it could well be to do with my internet connection. So with Jake as a co-host even if I somehow get rugged, hopefully he'll be able to carry on because it's him who we're here to hear rather than myself.
My name's Rebel DeFi, I'm working for TFM and we've got, I think, one of the best Twitter handles joining us today as well as one of the most passionate Web 3 speakers, Jake Harnel, Dow, Maximilist, Morning Jake.
Yeah, what's up, how's it going? Very well, thank you. Now we've only got a few people in just now, but I'm aware that your time is precious and we've got terrestrial resources here recording, so hopefully as long as we have a lovely conversation, it will be maintained on the entire lives for all time.
Hell yeah, let's get started. Sure. Okay, over with me, I'm in Malaysia just now. It's 8.30 on Thursday morning. We had a little bit of chat.
on text message earlier and we were concerned that it was going to be a shocking time for you and we might have to reschedule but it is kind of an afternoon time for you.
Yeah, it's afternoon here. It's great. It was a beautiful day in the Bay Area. It was nice and sunny. It was awesome. Awesome. Well, let's get it.
to then well known for being a cool founder of Juno and also cool founder Stargaze and I suppose the founder of Daudau
Yeah, let's just, let's go. I mean, what is the, what do you say is the value proposition for both builders and users of Juno Network?
I mean the value proposition is a pretty direct one. It's a valuable community to be a part of. And you know, I hope that's not just in terms of number go up but like exposure to
new cutting edge, entertain products and projects that are launching. I think there's a lot of great stuff happening on Juno Network, things like Dowdow,
I think that there's going to be an increasingly interesting cross-chain D5 scene. So, like, white whale is definitely a really interesting project there. And those are the kinds of interchain protocols that I think are really exciting to.
to see emerge on June 11. So yeah, it's just, it's a fun, crazy, cool, experimental community that's pioneering like a lot of technology in many ways, even though we get a lot of fun. We love the flood there. It's great.
Yeah, she absolutely got to embrace the haters and
That being the case we can put. Okay, listen to this, let's not get into the fight.
Talking of white whale, white whale started off on terror. They're now sort of going into change. I mean, thinking of this year, 2023,
for Juno, but also Cosmos as a whole. What sort of narratives do you think will go see? Is interchained the big thing for you?
Well, it's one of the narratives. I think mesh is going to be really big narrative. Mesh security, I think is going to be really big narrative probably more towards the later later this year. And we actually have done the opposite of like what the like Adam, there calls this hub community has done and we're not
Like fucking heavily marketing it like ahead of time we're just like Building in quiet and then we're gonna release it and it's gonna be better I Think it's gonna be a really big deal later this year. I think mesh mesh security mesh protocols is is gonna be
a really big thing. Obviously, I'm down maxless. I think DAV is going to be a really big theme. The only thing that's a moat in crypto is community. That's community of DAVs and just communities in general. If you don't have that
everything can everything else can be copied. And so to me, you know, I think some of the best things that we can do as you know is really become like a home of many dials in a home of many communities. And from that, like a lot of value is going to be created and captured.
So it might be like less direct than like, you know, some shit coin with like 10,000% APR, but you know, we'll have those on Juno. But to me, it's all about like community.
So yeah, I think the big trends this year are going to be a douse and mesh security.
Thank you for that response. Talking of Juno community, I think it is pretty well recognised by people in Cosmos that the Juno community is like super passionate. I am first, so I've got, well I wouldn't say involved, but introduce
to Juneau by a friend from the whole man, Highlander, who's now doing like, Juno Communications, some kind of stuff, amongst other things. I mean at that time I was pretty much all in terror and he just kept saying man, you could be looking at Juno. And to be honest, I
And then, I didn't really until after the terror crash. And then since, I mean, certainly one thing I've noticed is like, since looking a bit more closely at Juno, all the people and all, but the vast majority of the names I sort of recognized of community members when terror crashed.
on spaces and stuff. These guys and girls are still on Juno Spaces. So we'd say that sort of from an outsider perspective kind of getting involved.
the junior community definitely does seem quite strong and passionate. So, I mean, how do you think you can play a part in helping to grow the junior community?
I mean, we just need more Dow games. And there's going to be some really fucking crazy ones. He was like, red and blue is just like, it's just the start. It's part of it's part of the secret plan. The secret plan is to, um, yeah, have a lot of fun.
push the boundaries of what can be done as DAO's because I think of Juno's one big DAO and we're kind of radical in that way and I think that's actually one of the reasons why like Juno is really exciting for people is because like we don't have something
We don't have something like a foundation of one of the few chains that doesn't have a foundation, but we don't really have that kind of top down kind of structure. It's much more emergent and bottoms up. There's literally going to be a prop next week.
where we're going to completely turn Core 1 into a sub-dow where membership will be elected. And I don't think there's any other fucking project in all of crypto that has ever had something where the core team could be rugged at any moment. I think it's beautiful.
So, you know, we're pushing DAZ forward. And, you know, we're pushing POSMWASM forward too. I think it's hard to start out in like a new kind of smart contract framework.
It's much easier to like, you know, be another EVM chain and then copy and paste everything, but we're actually building, I think, a really awesome new community around better smart contract technology and that has a different kind of growth
trajectory and curve. And I think people that stick around for like the long term for like a greater than like one year horizon are going to be very pleased. But yeah, I don't know. Now I feel like I'm rambling, but I'm happy to ramble about stuff.
Give me some of the spicy.
Absolutely, I mean, we're here to hear your ramble. And I mean, can we just take a step back for a moment? Like your, your twerning, I think, is one of the best in all of web three.
In the sense that if someone came up with the Twitter name "Dow Max Malist" now, you think "Oh, yes, guys, interested in Dows." But how long have you been rocking "Dow Max Malist" as your Twitter handle? Because it's almost like it feels your head of your time.
Well, it's actually I used to be multi-chain max post. So back in 2020, when D5 was really taking off and I was a sliddy developer and still working in the Cosmos SDK and I was having a bunch of second thoughts.
I was like fuck, I know Saladity. DeFi's really popping off. What am I doing here? In Hunts, I'm really glad I stuck around. Around that time I became multi-chain maximalist because I was like, it's not just about Ethereum, like AppChains and the vision of the Internet of Blockchain is
is really great. And so I was trying to get people really excited about like a multi-chain world. Fast forward to like 2022. Like that multi-chain world basically like happened. Like, you know, I think in like 2021, 2022, one of the things we saw was like a lot of chains that weren't
like Tara, like Solana, like Avalanche, like you saw these like massive growth in these ecosystems and so I kind of felt like it was kind of boring to be multi-chain maximized then because like we were already in a multi-chain world so then I think in 2020
want to after shortly after doubt out came out I changed my name to doubt maximalist because I also think that was our future. I think that was a really like again I think a lot of things can just like be copied like really really easily and crypto. The thing that you
camp copy is just like the really militant like kind of communities like actually kudos to like the you know like the luna community they went through fucking hell they stuck together and even though like they're like chain basically like collapse and they had like all our drama and stuff it's like there's
still there are people, you know, like that community is still there. It's like, technologies can be copied, but if you build like a really strong community, like that's ultimately, I think where like the true kind of value comes. And so I think about Juno in very similar ways of like, how can we get the best community of depth and how can we
get the best community of users and participants. And how can we build the best Dow? It's really hard to articulate why that's a good business model. But a lot of-- it's just really easy to show in crypto.
It's better to focus on building community. That's like the stuff that really lasts.
Yeah, I mean, absolutely. I think Cosmos in general is relatively shareable, free zone compared to other L1s in my personal view.
But yeah, I mean, I don't know, you were asking for a juicy question, just something that I sort of wonder about is that you're wanting to or suggesting that an amazing community of community members and amazing team or community of dads on Juneau would make or will make Juneau an amazing L1. But does that
That's all necessarily, or does it follow that it is kind of PVP between different L1s and Cosmos. I mean, obviously there is a finite amount of devs. That's the dirty truth and secret. I mean, but yeah, it's kind of always been that way. I think it's actually one of the challenges we have as an ecosystem is that
Because we all have our sovereign chains it actually makes collaboration really hard sometimes In Ethereum like everyone had to you know like use the yeast token for gas And so there was like this really big unity that kind of came from that and in cosmos we don't have that and um
This is another kind of area where I think inner chain dows can like make a big difference like if we can start forming dows that have membership of like multiple different teams or that hold tokens of multiple different chains. One of the things I'm really excited for this year again I think one of the major themes I think is going to be is going to be dows. I'm really excited.
If you're token swaps as a way to form partnerships to further community objectives, like an example of a token swap that I think would be really awesome to see would be like a token swap between like the Juno and Osmosis community. Now here's how it could work out. Like you could basically come up with something that works out really great for both communities.
and kind of aligns and sentives, they were kind of formed around the same time. They both have a very large crossover of users, and it would be, I think, a benefit to both chains if there was really deep liquidity between that trading pair. And we both also have these massive community treasuries that just sit there in
nothing. We have all this Juno community pool. What if we could actually put it to work and use doubt to doubt deals by creating these two doubt agreements between the Osmos community and the Juno community and force to IDC and intergenerate accounts where
The genocular community could provide their half of the liquidity. The osmosis community could provide the osmo half of the liquidity. And now we've got deep, like, basically, like, permanent liquidity that's there. And also generating fees. Fees that could be split and then go back to treasurable communities. And that's like,
I think we're going to be exploring these kinds of ideas so much more in 2023 and that there are, you know, like, cosmos communities should start thinking about how we do these kinds of things. And the great part about that is that it helps like align the incentives of like all the different parties that are involved. I'm also excited for Mesh Decree
for the same reason is like it allows us to form these like kind of economic relationships and like partnerships between these different chains while still maintaining our sovereignty but those like partnerships are really important like and that can help us like collaborate on things where it matters. Yeah.
I think all of us need a bit of a number of up-technology. On the space last week with Sonny, one thing I took away from it was sort of suggest. In a sense, talking about where the liquidity is fitted.
Often is the case, if I've got tokens on Juneau, it's almost more economical for me to send them to us more so as to do a swap, bring them back to Juneau than swap on Juneau. So if you'll do some... I will say that we have a really awesome inner chain dax to punch in, Sam.
called Windex. But the really cool thing about Windex is they are actually really thinking about things like kind of like differently. I don't want to give away too much, but one of the things that they've been looking at is like a price router. So for example, Windex might have the deepest liquidity in
like all the random dolls that launch on G-NOW. Maybe they have the most liquidity in terms of green tokens or orange tokens or whatever colors are popular next week. But in terms of the major pairs, say you want to trade Osmo for Adam, it's going to be really hard to compete
with osmosis. And so creating that option of like, okay, maybe if I want this random doubt token, Winzdex is good for that long tail of assets, but it's still easy to swap with osmosis for major pairs like Adam, USDC, or whatever.
can be much harder to compete. I really hope that I don't think I see it. I personally don't see it as a competition. Asmos is a great dex. It's a great product. We should work with them. We should also have our own dex. I think that the wind dex is going to find a really nice niche.
in terms of the long tail of assets on Gino and being able to do things like intelligent routing of finding where the best price for given trade is, of which they could totally use the Alasmos' app post. So I actually think it's really great what's happening. And I would love to, you know,
I guess support it like how I can. I think I think I think it's become great for the Juno community to have options, you know, and it makes you know, Juno more useful as a
like it's great. And like I was saying in terms of competing Dex products, there's other Dex's on Juneau but again, where are they best suited to try
towards and I think that, you know, there I've been talking with that team a lot and they're very much looking at trying to capture the long tail of assets like all the Dallas that are going to be launching and how can they make it easy for those people to find liquidity in a really easy way? How can they make it really easy for people to create a pool
with UI and to add incentives of their own tokens so that you can earn like a 5,000% APR on red tokens liquidity. You heard it here today.
While so that sounds like your dough games might be extended in some fashion and One thing is a sort of What people don't realize is that the dog games never ends. They're just like we're we're staggering them in classes. It's it's a great
way to teach people. But also I think to create real value. I mean we'll see what happens. This is a doubt out class of 2023. We have some
fucking crazy ideas that are even crazier than red blue and I'm not gonna say what they are because red blue is definitely not over but the I mean like you probably just want to stake up you know just to make sure that you're eligible for dollar games
Okay, well, thinking about our games, I am steak and some general. Thinking about our games, is there a minimum amount of steak that a community member is going to have to have steak to be able to participate?
Each game is going to be different and so each game will have its own rules and its own air job. So the last game the minimum state was one. Juno. I think there probably will inevitably be like a minimum state.
just because there's so many random like dust accounts. So I mean like there's no details about the other ones. We don't, you know, we don't know exactly what it's going to look like, but probably more than one, you know.
cool. So for people like me, didn't actually get involved in the other games, even though I had Juno's State. It sort of felt when I was dropping into some of these red blue spaces, like I didn't really know what was going on. And the other
something was happening, I felt it wasn't that I didn't feel welcomed but I didn't feel like I knew enough about it to fully participate. So in a sense, I'm in the community, I've got Juno's date but I didn't get involved. I'm sure I'm not the only person like that. So how do you think
And I think this is why we have to create like different kinds of Dow games. And in many ways, this is also part of this particular Dow game is like having it be kind of directionless and getting people to, you know, sort of experience that aspect of the Dow and like an onboarding as well. And maybe, you know, like,
It's an opportunity for Red or Blue to think about how they want to onboard people into their community and keep people engaged. It's kind of one of the challenges. Other games are going to be very different, but this one was deliberately left open
And delivery left like kind of big because that's how real life is, you know, like you often don't have people telling you what to do. We're all just figuring out as we go along and The reality is people need to learn to like thrive in those kind of environments and if they can they're going to be very well seated towards crypto.
Hi. Awesome. Hey, Bands. So real quickly, if you had your journal state, you can check to see if you have like blue tokens or red tokens in your wallet and you can stake them for you can pick a team still.
if you want to play just saying. Thank you for that personally. I would pick one team though, just FYI. I wouldn't go with the red team. I would fins on the blue team. I'm on the blue team. Rarmas on the blue team. I'm just saying these are
other people on the blue team. Some, there's even more awesomer people. Gains is on the blue team. I'm just going to keep going, you know? So the question is like, so if you get to pick your own team, I mean, does that not then just become a bit lopsided? I'm feeling that the blue team could just be taking over here.
- No. - Red team is totally winning. It's like, it's not even close. - We activated first, we changed our name first. We just have a cooler color. So yeah.
That's unfair because you knew the rules before the game even came out, right? So of course your team's going to activate first because you guys already like had the four-word one and what's going on, right? Vin, what's the thumbs down? Uh-oh, what's going on?
I'm staying for a talk and I'm going to go ahead and talk about the red. You're missing out vital details bands. So basically she's right, you go to TUNO tools, drops and then if you've got blue you leave it and if you've got red you collect it and stake it.
Completely right. Yes, that's so right. This is misinformation, TFM, so you don't need any of that.
I'm just playing. I'm done. I'm done. I'll step down. I love how this interview is like just like turned into red versus blue, but that's perfect. I think it's very fitting.
Right this now. Okay, so I'm on Juno. Tools as we speak and
I'm not able to create it. Don't tell us what caught you are. We should probably finish the interview. Otherwise the drama is going to end. I've got a couple of minutes.
What's your last question? What's the really deep thing you wanted to ask me? I'll definitely go one here. Are you limited to half an hour or I didn't think to boot a longer slot on your camera?
But okay, thinking of dows then, if you've got to drop off what are in your eyes limitations of dows? I mean at the end of the I/O years, not always, but a lot of the time I see you going to have to do something at the end.
I think that is the limitation of Dows is that Dows, as much as we talk about the autonomous part, like they're fundamental human organizations. So the limitations of Dows are the same as the limitations of humans. And that's a pretty big limitations. Like, uh, yeah.
And so, like, Dows can fall subject to all the normal human things, whether that's mob rule or like oligarchy or like insiders or, you know, being captured from corruption or all those kinds of things. Like, at the end of
the day, even though they're fancy, awesome new tools and definitely the future, they're still... and I don't think this is all bad either. I actually think it's great that Dows are built around humans and four humans and of humans, but you know that's also like I think the
limitation as well. But I honestly wouldn't have it any other way. Like people used to talk about like, like, dals that were like run by like AI or something like that. And to me, that's kind of like dystopian. I know democracy isn't
messy, but you know it's still like the least bad option. So I'll take messy democracy any day versus like some AI you know overlord that runs everything we do.
So yeah, I guess just to answer your question, it's the limitations of doubt or just the people that are part of them. So, so all you red blues is the people that matter. Your token is probably going to zero.
And unless you can just like rally people to like really form a community around it and really care about it and do stuff with it. So it's like, yeah, I mean the tech is getting better and better and I think people are gonna be like fucking blown away.
way, like what does look like at the end of 2023. We're working really hard as the data team to like, you know, like, especially now that we got V2 out the door, like we can actually add new features much more quickly. And if people have been noticing there's like
actually been like a lot of like tiny like little new features and stuff like added even since data v2 launched and we're just going to keep up the pace because yeah it's a it's the future we're building the future and if
If you all are interested in Juno Network, I recommend joining as a team. It's a little bit crazy, but I think it's really special and I couldn't be more excited for Juno in 2023. And I've actually been talking with a lot of people recently that have kind of felt the same way.
but we've addressed the sins of our past and you know, we're moving forward. And so let's fucking go. Right. I guess that's 530. I'll take one more question if you want, but I do actually have to get going. No, absolutely. I think that was an excellent note.
end on. I'm excited for 2023 for Juneau, but for the entire Cosmos as well. I loved what you said there about building the future. That could well become if it's not already a Juneau slogan. One of your best marketing, Fulogun's, Fulogre ideas. Thank you very much for your time. Down my excellent, Jake Hartnell.
I will stay on the call for a bit, if anyone wants to discuss this red and blue thing, I think I'm sort of getting into it. I will announce my colour and I can see some different backgrounds, maybe make some new friends and maybe make some new enemies. Thanks Jake, appreciate it. Yeah, sounds great. You all have a really
Great day and I will see you on some other spaces peace stay in touch See you. Bye So um, go ahead I'm gonna be here for a bit. I can't I can't stay here for really long because my husband's gonna kill me I've literally been on spaces all day today Not like just fucking around but like literally doing stuff so
excuse my language, I apologize. But I do want to encourage you to join the blue team. Finn is here from the blue team. I don't think I don't know if he can come up, but don't listen. Don't listen to these red, don't listen to these red Dow plebs. Okay. Just don't listen to them. You you follow the way of the blue.
We've got corporate soy, sorry. I don't know if that's what we call you, but we will be speaking to corporate soy and paid for the new 20 next week in this founder series of interviews.
Corporate me is that what's the best name I should call you? You can call me anything you like, so I call it so I... What are you? HR mandate is corporate soy but thank you. Corporate soy is just very official very official.
Cooper's story is basically a rug name for me because I'm so corporate that I'm now working for P2P but you got to embrace these things right? Absolutely. Your accent is particularly familiar so I suppose we must be from a similar part of the world. The same country.
technically for now I think. I'm Manchester, it's like one in emu at the moment. I believe you're based over in Thailand right? Yeah well I'm in Malay, so kind of moving around trying to find the best working war
and working spot. I think Bangkok might be the next stop off because honestly, if anyone is looking for a good internet, you might not think Thailand is your first choice, but everywhere I've been in the world, it is literally the fastest internet. So yeah, highly recommend Thailand.
I would recommend Thailand for other things in the internet speed, but yeah, it's not bad. Tons of corporate soy. That's bad. Bad corporate soy. Rebel, are you actually just traveling across country
you're like with your phone out looking for the best service like what are you doing? You've been traveling for like a year now. No, no, no, no, no, I started in. Did you lose the house and the crash? Are you are you down down horrendous as they
I mean, I mean, I mean, things are starting to recover, which is really nice. But no, I was I, I quit my job, my real job, or in real life job in April, I can never have to work again. And then
a rude awakening in May saying you absolutely have to work again. And then opportunity game up with CFM, which I'm super grateful to our co-founder for. And it's been, it's been the opportunity to sort of like come to play
places with a lower cost of living and just stay warm over the winter like coldness is not so are you you're out there scouting places with fast internet and safe spots are you like hideouts are you finding the next layer that sounds like a dope job
It is pretty cool. I mean I'm hearing a lot about Glock but thought I'd come to Malia. Malaysia, I honestly, KL is a love multicultural city. Right. Man, the Thirian Kababs in Kuala Lumpur, unbelievable, like the best thing about
it. Serbian kebab is okay. Yeah there's like a massive like Syrian like contingent in Kuala Lumpur. Actually Malaysia is like really diverse food like it's sort of like in the middle of like Indian Thai Chinese it's kind of spurf it's like really good food but there's also like a lot of sort of Syrian amygdala
with like various different kabobs places and stuff. I had fascinating kabobs when I was in Kuala Lumpur. Absolutely. And I suppose another-- You better change the title of this to TFM found a kabob stand.
so we can keep talking about kabobs. I don't want people to be misled thinking Jake's still in here. Oh, can we change the new walls? Yeah, I'm learning. And did you, I, I, I think it's funny. I mean, I get it like you build something and you want to play, but like you can't come out and build
like, here's the game. Oh yeah, by the way, I'm on the red team and I built the game so good luck. Like, I mean, I get it and it's all just fun, but like, it's kind of a conflict of interest. I wish I would have had time to hop on earlier. No, okay. So just looking at
it. So I'm going back to this red blue thing then. And Juno dot tools. I'm on that side. I'm able to claim one of the colors tokens, but the other one I don't have an application. So does that right? So each each wallet you staked one or more Juno with will have either read
blue. So if you had multiple wallets, some may have red, some may have blue. So yeah, it just depends. And then yeah, you can just burn the red ones or send them to me and all dispose of them properly. And then you can stake the blue ones at the best doubt, the blue
So I'm glad in here corporate sorry, listen, yeah, yeah, listen I think we need to clarify for him like we don't want to disappoint him What you want to do is absolutely hope that you've got red tokens because in look let's say for example you want to get blue it's better to get red
because actually blues already is way to zero and you can get like, I think, yeah, they're both zero. - No point nine by straight. - No point nine by straight. - That's the count per straight. - That's the count per straight. - You're not blue, but you're red, isn't that? I think at the moment. - Look at the Hopers liquidity pool. Tell me which one's deeper. That's right.
Good game Red. So, right, I'm coming back in here. I'm going to split you two up like the referee's coming in. Like this is what I found. I'm sort of beginning to understand a little bit about what's going on. But when I've jumped into some spaces and you lot have been talking about all this red blue stuff and I just didn't know what to do.
Do you remember while ago when the Joe thing was happening? It's basically that, but also to help instead of build a canary chain, this time we're taking our energy and beta testing V2. And at the same time, he's got the two
two birds, one stone thing happening here, instead of all of us just fudging them on their sub-doc community calls, now we just fud each other, because they put us on opposite teams. And that's okay, it's fun. - Good bye to kill time. - That is what it's all about. - Exactly.
Okay, so I can claim my colored tokens. I can see there's a peacemaker here. Well, don't call them color, don't call them color tokens, but yes, you can claim your red or your blue tokens. I also noticed Vlad was in here and I'm curious if we'll see something similar or perhaps a cross-chain version.
of Dow wars where enterprise goes head to head with Dow Dow or whatever, you know, something like that. I think would be interesting. Absolutely. Hopefully we can get, yeah, loving the TFTM 500 series. We could get like a shipping.
A shipping contest and we could see who ships faster. We could we could do all sorts of fun stuff, I think, cross-chain wise since we share a lot of the same people. Absolutely. Well, I mean, TFM is already cross-chain and we are surely in a conversation for the faster.
Hey, will will you guys just take over nowhere and then redirect all the fees to terrorist spaces and then just like let let it be the public the public mint lodge pad. I don't just oversee that for me. Well, I mean,
at the volume on nowhere, currently. I don't know what that would pay for you. But I think, I mean, nowhere is an amazing marketplace. Like, and what they're going to do with the open source thing is really cool as well. But it seems weird to
someone could just take it over without being homage or in some respect to the original team. Yeah, no, I was just joking. But yeah, they were like the first spot I got my first bag of dicks, my first terror and ft ever. And like they
They were definitely leading the way for a while there, with the staking and the space loot stuff and the space junk. My wallet still got like a bunch of space junk at it. But yeah, I mean, funding is tough at a bear market. All you gotta do is survive, survive. But yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I,#
You'd imagine there's a reasonable, I mean not just a reasonable, a lot of interest in making sure that nowhere stays or keeps going in some form or another. I mean, I don't know what that's necessarily going to look like, but I cannot imagine that it's just going to shut down.
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see. But I mean, we still got talus. We still got random earth. Messier, I think, is gone. They've been long gone. One plant, obviously, over on polygon. But yeah, and I mean, just like we saw last last
last year. Remember there was just nowhere in random earth and then all of a sudden, and talus, excuse me, and then all of a sudden there was a few more popping up and more were in the works. So it's just a matter of time getting over this next hump, I think.
Yeah, I don't know, I just feel you're I was getting cancelled with my description of of of Red and Blue tokens. I think is it is a 10-revent to me that's not decided to come in as peacemaker and it's like red, blue, purple and I thought that was chemical. Yeah.
And then we have the black dow and I mean anybody can just go and spin one up I guess if they just want to be a plug but you know I would definitely if you don't have the blue tokens I would head on over to Hopers or wherever you can get them and get them.
And then come spam us with fucking spam proposals. You sons of bitches Right, so what you're saying is the liquidity people can actually go in and collect or if they've not got a red token or a blue token and want one of those tokens they go to hopeers
That's what I heard. I haven't done it because I'm on the blue team and I'm happy there. But I've heard that you could go there.
Just be wary of those red team members because they got a lot of tricks they like to do. They're very tricky people. The room is the true. You can go to hope as in what you blew for red. And as regards 10 to mid to me, if he just needs to get off the fence doesn't he really, you know, just
pick a fucking side. Yeah, he's trying to play like Switzerland over here and it's like, come on man, shit or get off the pot, you know, just because you weren't steakin' a Juno at the time of the snapshot. I mean, I'm just kidding, he was, I'm sure. He's just fun, him always.
Yeah, it'll stay with the last name. So yeah, just leave it. It's cool. Keep it with J. Maybe I'll split it up into two pieces or something so people can just have the Jake interview and then they can have the blue victory interview.
That would be awesome, yes, for the founder series if you could separate the wheat from the chaff as it were. And if we could just in the crowd all the blues, if you could just change your hearts to the blue heart and let me see and that would be fantastic. Thank you.
Oh, got the Rangline in the blue team.
I didn't invite Ryan to come up speak. I think it's exceptionally late, where he is past 1am in the morning. I've just seen, obviously I was going to say, because Ryan does tend to change his PFP occasionally. And he's changed it again, but I'm just looking at what he's changed it to, and that is
absolutely fire. Was that, did you mint that so? Have you seen those? Have you seen those over, I think those are over on Polygon? I think that was my first Polygon mint. Nice. Did you want to tell us a little bit about the collection, Ryan? Good evening.
Good evening blue team. Good evening. A fun story about hope is I'd never heard of that of that text before and I came across it like as part of this red and blue thing and it's got more liquidity than the loot
pass. So that made me that made me laugh after paying loot $1.6 plus million to build it. How much do you fellow team blue members? Do you have those numbers in front of you? How much did hopeers get paid to do the same thing? I've got no, I presumably got paid enough.
It's not the prettiest website in the world, but you know, fair play to them, fair play to them. And they look like they did like a public idea or something as well, right? I've gone I almost wonder what
Were they planning on that? Do you think before or do you think they just saw when loop was griffed and they were like, oh, here's our chance I'd be curious to see if they actually I've never heard of it before and I tend to be able to keep on top of like stuff that's going on but Yeah, I just found that hilarious because I looked at it yesterday. I was like, ah
They've got like a few hundred KL liquidity here. We know how much loops got. More than loop. That made me smile. Regarding the profile picture, I think you were asking about Rebellh and yeah, Polygon sit-ins on
on one planet. I must admit I didn't meant this myself. I had a few friends that were lion hunting for me that I knew were minting and kind of promised them the world if they could find me a lion. So yeah, I didn't meant this one. I did meant another couple like a pretty cool looking
now and a human one as well. So that's not like a one-on-one for you guys. Oh no, yeah, this is just like a part of the collection. I think there's something like, I think I've dated before how many LPS labs before I've been in Lion, so we're going
So this isn't like a Kingsman situation or anything. This is an actual that was aligned in the collection. That's amazing. That was beautiful. That was legitimately minted by someone. There's like 16, I think 16 lions and out of like two and a half. I got a flower, a flower person.
person and some child. He's got like trees growing out of his head or something. I don't know. Yeah, I hope you do well. I've met the PS Labs guy at the PS Labs founder a couple of times. Oh, in fact, he was at our last drinks that you were there, Rebel. Yeah, yeah.
Okay humble guy. Yeah, he's a cool guy. Yeah, so I was gonna I was just gonna go up and say bro if you found some owls hit me up man. Maybe we can got a deal DM me Oh Yeah, I think if you look at my I know I like spam post like if you look at my
And if you look at my posts, bam get out of it. I did post an owl. So like yeah, open to office. If you see a raccoon hit me up because I know a guy. I know a guy. I know a guy that will pay top dollar. I know I know a pleb but they top dollar.
for it. I will I will I will I will I don't know where the top to keep it out of any any of the racks hands. Give me all of the raccoons. Give them all to me. Sounds like we got ourselves a good old. Just a notch. Robo.
Robo I'm gonna get your brother. Oh shit brother, and I'm gonna take all the raccoons from the fucking bodyguards and they're all gonna come to me your mother fucking Robo I'm gonna take them all so don't even think about getting one of them because Jesus Christ if you even think of fucking looking at one of them if you're fucking looking at one of them
One of my sweat at God I'm gonna fucking come after you and your fucking children and your little racks and they're gonna come under my fucking porch and I'm gonna fucking put some goddamn poison traps under there and you're fucking never gonna live so don't come I'm gonna take all the and you can't have any
of unrobial you can have them. What are you gonna do when these 36 inch pythons are wrapped around you? Little corporate soy, little soy baby, what are you gonna do? You ever gotten rabies before? Ooh yeah, I give you rabies. I'll stick the dogs on you and the racks. Ooh.
You know what I found is that the little shits that that come under your porch. What are they?
the cute little ones. Crackets? They're called crackets. No, no, no. No, that's just a robot. That's just a robot coming into your kitchen trying to make your eggs and bacon and beans. And you know what? No fucking eggs and bacon and beans in the breakfast because it's not healthy for you. No.
You call that a sandwich? You call that a sandwich? It's the other little little shits. It's the other guys. But they're actually good for you. Other than the fact that they steal your chicken's eggs. So when they were stealing my chicken's eggs, I was pretty pissed at them and I was like rooting for my dog to kill them. But other than that, they're actually good little creatures.
Interesting. Interesting. Let's go ahead and get a welfare check on corporate soy. Welfare check on corporate soy. Thank you. Yeah, I'll have him while I'm still red. I can't believe I rubbed him into check. I'm not in the crowd taking all this shit. He must be absolutely fuming.
No, not at all. I was just thinking he loves it. He loves it. He's eating it up right now. He just finished the scream on the floor. I was looking at the deep liquidity on Hooper's. Looks pretty interesting. Did you see those AP wise? Did you see those deep AP wise? Holy fuck.
Wow. That is like... I... and Jake talked about this earlier on the face. There's still gonna be these him.
It's all done with incredible APRs. Now, I'm fellow Blue Member Ryan, do you believe that this is the missing Juno swap liquidity and it found a home over here on HoPers?
Who knows? Why don't we just cancel Window and just have hope?
I quite want to provide liquidity to the Hopers' Hope. What's the hope versus the Hopers? Anyone know? No, I see it.
to be a hope token on JunoSwap, didn't there? Is there anything to do with that? Yes, there was. Do you guys remember the beginning of that? That was when we're... This is V2. Yeah, don't worry about this. This is V2. This would be better. Wasn't that a group though?
I don't know where he's guys just go all in. There's still no I've token on on him. Juno swap there's $800 liquidity in the hope Juno pair right now.
The one thing I do remember about Hopers is that the dude had a space with those Juno bears or something and like called them out for having a bunch of messed up shit and like refused to let launch them on the launch pad.
That's like the last thing I can do. It doesn't want to launch scam. Hope is the store of value token for hope is but they did it in the reverse order so you know how we had Juno and then Nita they did
hope and then hope is. Ah, thank you fellow Blue member, Rarma. Thank you. And they also like waiting until all the value was gone from it, right? This store value token before they made the deck.
Now is the time for a return with deep, deep liquidity.
I can't go to the Juno.Tools website, scroll down. Quite nice seeing all these potentially are drops coming up. I have an allocation of three tokens.
We got a we got a you know well. We got a whale situation watch out. Always it is it one for one. Okay. It's it's one to one. That was like a hundred and a few points at one point now.
Well, that's true. Now, I'll tell you, listen, one thing you guys have taught me is that with another DEX on Juneau, we TFM are going to have to integrate Hooper's, I think, to because they do have a little bit of liquidity that could be aggregated. What? And a pop and NFT market.
place you can add to the old aggregation station too. I add the moment no because it's not we don't have it on Juneau we've just got the NFT aggregator on tarot the woman. I got you. Hey can I ask you
Corporate soy, come on man, get it together. I think my internet's breaking up with something. What I missed that. What was it? We could go tonight. We can hear you.
You got me, yeah? Did you come in with a question? No, I did not. It was Wolfman. Oh, Wolfman. Yeah, I couldn't hear that either. Maybe it's Wolfman's.
Anyway, it's like nearly 130 here. So I'm gonna go to bed. But yeah, Rebel will talk in the next couple of days about next week. Yeah, we'll talk about why Red's better than Blue.
Why new drones better than Juno and all that kind of stuff. Oh beef, beef with love. He's gonna be so he's gonna be so disappointed when he shows up to that meeting and and Rebels got the blue. We're in those proud blues.
I don't think you do it, it wouldn't be good for the mood in the room, would it? I think you're just probably holding back the repeal and so after the neutron chat. Listen guys, I tell you what, I want to send the screenshot.
of my massive air draw with three tokens of a particular color. So then you can check that out. They're all, I don't know if I want to incur the wrath of half the room.
So hey, can I ask you a question about TFM and have you guys been watching this arc protocol multi chain stuff and do you guys have any plans to like tap into this multi chain action with the aggregator and or
Can you talk about any of that? That is a good question. We have spoken to Mr. T. I don't know why, and it's got a can and can't say, but there's certainly discussions with Mr. T. ongoing as we speak.
always move coming back up. Is it, is it, does, does it feel like it's pretty slick or is this like, like, how do you feel about it? Because I, I don't know enough and I really want to like it and I do like it, but I don't know enough to like, know if I shouldn't like it. If that makes sense. So, uh,
Yeah. I mean, did you meant the free? Yeah, totally. And it worked, it worked really well. And that's the, I had it in my head that there could possibly be a collection soon that would really be awesome to take advantage of that.
But then yeah, I'm just just curious what other people that are smarter think about it. I mean as far as I'm aware is it's all still test next up. So the game of NFD, yeah, yeah, is my understanding is going to be connecting test nets to
and find out what is like sending these and ICS, ICS 721 tokens. Yeah, so you don't think anyone will really know until TestNet pops off and actually get some traffic on it and people messing with it. I hear Joe's very much against his movement.
That's a sensitive subject. Don't worry about that. That's a sensitive subject. My man. My man. So I mean Mr. T is super passionate about the subject anyway.
Oh, do you sign a fence? Somebody found the sound buttons. Oh shit. Here we go. You know, if I had a nickel for every space, I've had to edit these sounds out of. I would have a shitload of nickels. That makes me want to go to a lot more spaces just to fuck with sin. That just makes me excited.
Like if I didn't have four children in one on the way in a business and a whole crypto thing to run and I was just here doing my thing like if I could just be Robo full-time I swear to God I'd just be throwing flushes in spaces all day long.
The News, Jimmy the Otter. No, we just flushed it. Just flushed. You like flushes your intelligence down the drain.
I just have noticed Mike, Mike Purvis is joined with a background there. Hey TFL though, I am curious. So you're, I have seen some of you guys's stuff and it's really beautiful what you guys are doing.
How are you going to compete with the amazing ONFT marketplace multi chain that's coming up here? How are you going to compete with that? They don't need to compete. They're just going to aggregate it, baby. All they need to do is aggregate it.
Aggregators get aggregated Then we'll have aggregators for that all about the sweet this Juneau Goblin town floor This Juneau Goblin town on Hopers floor price of 1.9
nine Juneau are you kidding me? Look at this part. Look at this art and so you can't fucking cash out and some of us didn't participate. Now I'm gonna go and I'm gonna fucking cash out on your ass and I'm gonna buy all the cool NFTs that you can't buy.
No, it's not me. All my money's in the rack casino. I'm just looking at these June all goblins time dudes. Right?
Hopers is a gem. Hopers is like that hidden gem everyone's been searching for and it's just been right there in front of their eyes and it took the hot sexy hoe of loop to like break your heart
and to leave to make you realize what you really had here with Hopers, you know, she may not be a 10, but she's a strong 5 and sometimes a strong 5 is better than a quick 10, you know what I'm saying? I say, I say, I say goddamn.
All right, hopeers, if you need a guy, you let me know hopeers. I'll come be your your resident influencer.
Get me up, Popus. We're gonna have to give me a tutorial of what you're already saying. Did Wolfman, well you got to be on iPhone and he's like a red iPhone pleb. Wolfman, did you say you're dropping a marketplace?
Are you building your own marketplace? Well, yeah, so we were already kind of building an infrastructure for alleys and just making things, you know, because we have a we have to build a marketplace for alleys to be able to trade the wearables and all the different stuff. So it just was like instead of you know,
just stargaze where they're at or what is their own is their life you knew that but we're right with the OFTs on on the Flix 2 so so we've already been multi-chains so it was like we've we've already connected those two chains and we're trying to add others some of them are a little bit like Tori would they have an
even hit us back yet. I don't know what they're doing if they're trying to isolate their... So you're saying your your marketplace is going to be one spot that will aggregate those where alleys is like over on Omni Flix and Stars and wherever else you guys are and that'll be one... Not just one spot to go for that is... Well we're gonna do everything
Everybody so the point is is like like you have basically here's the thing okay you have a lot of You have a lot of platforms that are just trying to do that basic thing right they're just trying to okay We'll integrate these different chains and we'll give you a hub to come visit
But they don't have a reason other than like oh, maybe we have some nice UI like with us We're not only building a nice UI, but but we have allies that's the foundation of it all so we have a trading so anyone who's coming to allies is That's why they're here, right and now we're just building So you're getting reasons why they're getting
you're getting the NFT money and you're gonna rug on the token. I got you. That's an interesting play. I'm not a hater. I do. It's a Batman Joker situation.
When you badmouth Jill, that's set me off. Is this fucking guy like is this fucking guy like is he for real? Is he for real or is he gonna rug my ass? I like following a reel around to your spaces and fixing your audience to keep you hear what you're saying
of a dog. I know. Did you hear that though? Did you hear that last space? That's just sounded good. I'll get it. Okay. And I did find a watcher in my wallet with the X size. So whoever sent me that I appreciate it. I appreciate that.
All right, I know I know I know you got about Joe change Joe change gonna suppress a lot of people we're not here look dude the last thing like I finally get to build in the space that I love that I'm excited about
about that are passionate about like you have no idea man like this for me is a gift to be able to do what I love right I've gotten to do that now for 15 years I love the cannabis industry I'm an activist bro like I've gotten to do that for 15 years educate people and give them
products and make products and formulate products that help them and make their life better. And now I get to do that in Web 3 with all this stuff, right? Like this to me is just this is awesome, man. It's so much fun. Okay, it's not that great, but it
Cool, what about this M is there is a can, can labs?
That's a talking on June 11th, isn't it?
liquor out for a good friend, Rick Tammy. I just put in the L in plebkack. I'll tell you what. And just let's pour one out for it's been a rough go.
I'm in a D. R. W. I. And somebody else from the crew and I don't know why we're in a DM yet. They've just reached out and are starting a conversation, but I still haven't figured out why. And maybe it was maybe it was the ruggler who was hacking that it is what happened to her. What what exactly I didn't even see what happened.
I don't want to it's not my story to tell if she wants to tell it I'm sure you can go in the wrecked in and tell it but just says the guy who rewards every one takes out takes one day you're just we're all yeah that's you
clips come in soon multi-chained but extra incentives if you meant on Terra you meant you meant those on Terra though we take care of you. Oh well there's got to be on Terra on that way but no one will ever hear or see anything about it.
I got the no no so sure no more and listen that's that's right
I mean, if NFTs on a Juneau really are a thing, and I mean there are some
and collections, but like, I mean the TFM NTI agreeer could potentially come to Juneau, so if you want to see that, yeah let me know, I'll see what the story is there. Competition
It's good. You know, competition, spurs, innovation. It's good. It's good all around. Absolutely. Alright guys, we'll nice to see some reds in here and some blues. I feel like I kind of got a little bit of a clue what's going on in
you know, experience permanent loss. So when it's 10 cents, that's not like, go from a dollar to 10 cents, bro, what are you doing? What are you trying to wreck people worth? No, no, like cause like literally since cause
of our system is just going one way. Well, let's just hope for our way and be a sense Juno and then we can all have some games. Good stuff. All right. That slot machine would be a lot more better
with ten cents you know then a dollar June I'll tell you what because so many more spins and this fucking space got to yeah man it's time it's time all right guys good morning from KL good night wherever you guys are and I'm yeah it was me soon yeah bye