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THANKS ELON! The Morning Brew. feat. @satributes
Recorded: July 4, 2023 Duration: 1:33:43Space Recording
Full Transcription
Ah, perfect.
Nice, good, good, everyone in.
Ah, very well, very well. Good to have you on spaces.
I was just like, I had a really, like, I had a space earlier,
and it was like really close, it was getting really close,
so like three minutes over time.
But, yeah, good to, this is good to go.
Got like two hours, so let's see if you can drop some cool alpha,
discuss anything you like, anyone have any questions,
request to speak, and we'll let you up,
and you can basically talk about whatever.
So, let's get it started.
I just wanted to introduce myself really quick.
My name's Mish.
Nice, I mean, I think...
I think I've met you Satributes, right?
Over in that Radio Shack space.
We've definitely crossed paths.
In fact, I think you've been in a room with both.
Yeah, I wasn't in front of myself.
Oh yeah, it was on the radio.
I've definitely been in a room with Adrian, I just don't know if I was...
I'm getting a weird delay.
Oh yeah, I'm in America, so sorry.
We'll have to leave and come back out, I'm sorry.
Twitter's rocking me.
Okay, copy.
Hey, when that happens.
No, I've been, I've been everywhere.
So, like a lot of people might recognize my voice, recognize my PFP,
quite infamous sometimes even.
Because, you know, I tend to not shy away from the controversial,
and this extends to everyone, because I'm unbiased.
And I just, I just find building in the space in general to be very interesting.
No matter what chain it is on, no matter who it is, I find it intriguing,
and I get people on to ask some questions and have people ask those individuals questions.
Because I think, quite all the time, everyone is just being villainized.
There's so much FUD.
And whether that FUD be reasonable or not, I still believe that the people who are subject
of whatever claims deserve the right to speak their mind and to say their piece at least.
Because oftentimes, what we like to interpret as facts are skewed in the favor of the very few individuals
who wish to see the downfall of that one person about which they have made information
that may or may not be true.
So, yeah, this is why you might even find me in quite a lot of spaces,
many of which are very controversial, because I think it is quite interesting to, basically, yeah,
find such cool things.
Just ask cool stuff, make cool things happen.
Well, I respect you for that, and I've seen you, like, not have an argument,
but, like, the way that you are able to kind of clear out the bullshit and get right to the point,
I find, like, intriguing.
And I appreciate when you are in the room, because I feel like we can get oiled down to the truth,
you know, as close as we can get to that target, even though, you know, we're all biased.
So we're never going to have the real, real truth.
But I do appreciate your method.
Oh, thank you.
I mean, the whole thing is basically more or less of a statistical problem,
which in and of itself is its own problem, but, like, I mean, the...
How do I explain this?
Like, you're trying to find the least wrong truth, right?
And so in order to do this, you basically have to use kind of statistical probability
in order to see whether or not this is truth or, you know, not.
So, yeah.
By the way, where's the attributes gone?
He's disconnected.
Ah, there he is.
I've sent him a co-host invite, hopefully he gets that, so we can get more people on the stage.
If any one of you would like to bring more people into the space, please like and retweet the space itself,
so we can get more people in, more listeners, and, yeah, good content.
Ah, there we go.
He's back.
GM, GM.
I'm sorry about that.
I'm hoping you can hear me and I'm not going to have an awful delay if I can hear myself.
Oh, no, perfect.
Everything good.
There we go.
Awesome, yeah, I'm sorry about that.
Mish, I didn't hear what you were saying, so I'm sorry.
If you wanted to continue, I'd literally heard nothing after you say my name is Mish, so I apologize.
Oh, Mish.
It's Mish.
Mish, sorry, Mish.
I like Mish, but it's pronounced Mish, and if I hear anyone calling me Mish, I know instantly
that they're not my friend.
But now, you're never going to forget, because I've made it longer.
Now I know.
Now you're off the battle.
I just was, while you were disconnecting and reconnecting, I was giving Adrian some flowers,
because I really do appreciate his take, and how I feel like he's able to truly, like, sort
of boil down to as close to the truth as we can, despite all of our biases when we're
looking at, you know, different things in the space, be it controversial people or controversial
topics.
So, yeah, I just, I like his methodology of thinking.
That's all.
Amazing.
And I entirely agree.
Adrian's a great chap, and he's been such a tremendous support to Satributes and to me
individually over the past few weeks that we grow this project.
And I know he has the moral compass that this space so definitely needs more of.
So lots of flowers to you, Adrian, just pelting you with flowers here.
Thank you very much.
Much appreciated.
Actually, there's something that I think we need to clear up.
There's a small issue.
People seem to have this idea that I am you and you are me.
I've been getting, like, so many DMs.
It's like, are you the Satributes account?
I'm like, no, I am not the Satributes account.
It's like, no way.
Let me just, let me mute myself and then speak on my other phone, which is your phone.
Or is it?
Who knows?
Are we the same people?
I mean, who knows?
It would be great.
It would be great setup for sure.
I've definitely had that a few times.
And it's funny because at Frogland, we actually had an AI model trained on my voice.
And so the Consent Attack Award that we won recently was narrated by me, but it actually
AI me.
And you'll notice every now and again, I turn a little Australian and American, because
it didn't have a huge data set of me talking somehow to be trained on, but really, really
funny stuff.
And yeah, I mean, we're not far away from literally Adrian.
You'd be able to have multiple Adriens up on stage with you and all talking exactly
like you.
I mean, we're like a year away from now.
Yeah, true, true.
I mean, let us just hope that you enjoy your own company because you might see a lot of
And at some point, you know, yeah.
So, I mean, AIs and such, it's fun stuff, fun stuff.
I personally feel like it's a really cool tool.
Sometimes often utilized for the wrong things and given more hate than it deserves, especially
as it pertains to creativity.
Like when, for instance, when you generate AI images, like if you generate a lazy AI image,
you will see it because it lacks specificity.
But the more specificity you put in there and the more you're able to express yourself,
you get some really cool stuff.
And I think this in and of itself is its own art.
Like you essentially need to be a poet in order to create a good image, right?
So you have to understand how the machine works just the same way you would, a poet would
try to understand how a human works, right?
Like what things work, how, what do you want as a result?
Instead of trying to elicit emotions or to trigger common memories and experiences, you
are trying to basically get a result in the form of an image that conforms to what it is
that you want.
But then it's also an interesting lesson of, you know, flexibility because what you get
is not necessarily what you set out to, you know, get itself.
Like you don't necessarily get what you want, but you sometimes get something that's better.
Like there's often cool chances for things.
And then you just play around with it for hours.
And personally, I haven't used Midjourney a lot.
And I've even had to buy extra hours, which, you know, because I keep fine tuning it each
time trying to alter semantics to the smallest extent, just to get not just directly what it
is that I want.
But to try and break the context of a prompt in such a way that the image that results
looks unreal in a real sense.
You know what I mean?
Like you take things that cannot possibly exist in any way possible, and then you make
them exist, right?
That's the beauty of AI.
And I think that's something I like to personally capitalize on, which is you're going to see
a GN tweet soon, sir.
Yeah.
I mean, I've got to say, your attribute to our work, Adrian, is phenomenal.
I mean, is it Midjourney?
Is it Dali?
Is it a combination?
Are you Photoshopping?
Can you tell us a little bit about your process?
Because it is fucking stunning.
Is it just Tom Craft?
It's actually just Midjourney.
It's actually just Midjourney.
The prompts themselves, I try to do something new each and every time, and I use the previous
images that have come before, and then I use those, I kind of train it in a sense, right?
I use those to basically build the next artworks, right?
So I basically have a little bit of recursion there.
That's what it feels like.
That's why I said most of my tweets are recursive.
It's basically like a huge tease for the future, because I like things to basically play
together.
Like I remember when I, like you have to segue what you want to do.
So I remember when I first started this, the canvas was a city, because I see most things
like a city, like people, how are they built and such.
And, you know, I was talking about how to basically use the block space, like Manhattan almost
built skyscrapers on this.
So I chose skyscrapers and I chose ocean.
First thing I chose was server room with orange lit.
And that was basically an introduction to the idea of, you know, me being more crypto themes,
like here's where it all starts.
And then from there we build our dreams.
And so then I did the things with skyscrapers, cool oceans, that sort of stuff.
And then when you came along with Stash Reviews, I was like, dude, I can now paint upon that
canvas, something cooler, that it's a challenge.
And so I basically started to deviate into this.
And I remember when you started out and I was listening to it, I was like, okay, it's
time to adopt the art a little bit.
And so I started to make these round, spherical, like buildings, futuristic buildings, like
shiny.
It started to get more round and more round and more round.
And then I had like literal spheres, mirror-like spheres.
I was like, oh, let's go full in on this.
And then when the art first came out, I actually used the Genesis piece, not the Genesis piece,
the one of the 100 pieces, Stash Review 66, which is mine.
I've actually used that, based the first images off of that piece.
And then the later images, where you see darker spheres, I've actually based it off of the
contributors.
And then sometimes I mix the two and create something out of that, like the image that
I've given, like that I've put out once, where I just basically molded the two together
in a sense.
We had this crazy looking image where you said, for this alone, you'd get a white list
if you were to apply for one.
So that was really cool.
And then later on, I just kind of tried to work with strange looking architecture.
And then after that, I'm just looking for things that glow a little more.
Because you talk about digital gold all the time.
So I said, okay, you know what?
I'm going to make digital gold a thing.
So I was like, okay.
Keep doing that.
By the way, that's going to come out.
Actually, I might tweet it now.
That is awesome.
And one thing I find so fascinating about AI, and Mid Journey in particular, is amazing.
I mean, they have five different styles, five different models that you can choose from.
I think maybe even more than that now.
So if you haven't actually explored, you can literally just type in forward slash settings
into Mid Journey, and you get access to a little control panel that lets you tweak around with
a few bits and pieces.
So if you haven't done that, definitely check it out.
The models get better and better every time.
But you can still select previous models as well.
But this whole idea of AI models, I found fascinating.
Because while what we're being exposed to is effectively proprietary closed source models
created by Mid Journey, and that is their secret sauce.
If those models were to be leaked, then anyone would be able to generate Mid Journey-like artwork.
So that is effectively their IP.
I mean, their IP is the model, and it's the way in which they can structure their prompts
to a point where you can type in a simple sentence, and you get some stunning results.
And they're doing such an incredible job.
But that very notion of being able to train models I found interesting,
because your data, your model, your AI image generations are only ever going to be as good
as the data set that you train it on.
And so if you give it a bunch of garbage images, then you're obviously going to get a bunch of garbage out.
But if you can give it an obscene amount of really good quality images,
then the models ultimately you can generate from that, when you know how to train these things well,
start providing some insane results.
And so what we've been doing with Didi's work is sort of experimenting with it,
and seeing how far we can take AI and what we can do with AI.
And you can see this on the Satributes.art website.
We have a little prompt box, and you can type in a word that says Bitcoin,
and you can click Generate.
And after a few seconds, you'll see the entire background of the website changes.
That is generated from a model that only understands the Satributes art collection.
We've trained it on the two collections, and that's the only thing I'd understand
is the iconic cycles that we have.
But the Strengths button that you can see underneath the prompt box shows you a slider.
And if you slide that slider down to the left,
100% to the left is effectively a model that's been trained on Didi's 15-year portfolio
of all of that abstract artwork.
And then if you click Generate again, you're effectively losing influence from the Satributes model
and gaining influence from the DDMX model.
And you can start seeing the same prompt and the same settings
will give you very different outcomes that become more and more abstract
as you move the slider more to the left, until you get all the way to the left.
And Didi, I don't think, has ever really done circles before in her previous
sort of traditional and digital art career.
So it was interesting where you see these shapes becoming less abstract and more circular
the closer you drive.
And then, of course, you get to the point where it's pure Satributes again,
and you're back to circles.
And if you're lucky, you get the Bitcoin logo inside it.
And so it's been a fascinating thing where artists, I think, should start with mid-journey
and start figuring out how prompt craft works.
Because I think prompt craft is a new art in itself.
I think it's a fascinating art because it's now giving creatives
who weren't necessarily getting exposure for that stuff.
Creating great quality artwork has always been expensive and time consuming and not available to everyone.
But applications like mid-journey now give people like wordsmiths, you know, authors,
sort of people who love to write and to understand the nuances of sentence structure.
It gives them now a new opportunity to start being creative in ways they've never been creative before.
And these people will become insanely creative when it comes to AI,
because their mind will just click with how to do prompt craft.
And this is really cool.
And so this whole idea of mid-journey is a great stepping stone, a great starting point.
But when you want to dig deeper, you start looking into the open-source world.
You start looking into applications like Stable Diffusion and Auto 11.11,
which is a very useful sort of simple UI that you can use.
In fact, we base AI blocks on Stable Diffusion, on this open-source technology.
So you can literally just come to AI blocks of that, create a burner wallet to get infinite credits.
It's a free-to-use platform.
And you can then select from a number of different AI models that we've trained.
But to give it the Web3 spin, because I saw at my project Frogland, we had a lot of people who wanted to create artwork for our project.
You know, they wanted to support the project in generating content.
You know, mid-journey gave everyone the means to create great content.
The problem was our frogs have a very unique look to them.
We have some Hollywood artists who sort of gave it a bit of flair that you don't normally see in traditional projects.
We wanted to sort of push the barrier on the level of quality and detail and attention to more than anything that you have on this collection.
And, I mean, I'll point out a few things.
If anyone knows the collection, I mean, just look for any frog that has a pair of glasses.
And you'll actually notice the light seen through the glasses refracts like it does in real life.
And this is all done through layering using some software called Matrons and some professional open-source Hollywood stuff,
which is really, really cool.
But that being said, the look and the feel of these frogs is very unique.
And so when you try to type in a humanoid frog, you'll get something very Pepe-esque out.
And unfortunately, it wasn't anything representative of our collection style.
So while our community had access to this mid-journey Discord box, they're creating great stuff.
It wasn't quite on theme.
It was good, don't get me wrong, but it wasn't perfect.
So Didi and I started looking to train AI models based on all of the images that we had generated,
sort of concept art, everything that we felt encapsulated our collection.
And we created this model that is now able to generate great stuff.
And so we sort of spun up some very powerful cloud servers, built a simple UI that didn't have too many things for people to fuck around with,
and did a lot of proper craft tech in the background so that you could now go in and type in, you know, give me a gangster frog.
And it's not going to give you anything other than something that looks exactly like what a gangster frog would look like in our 1930s art deco kind of gangster world.
And it's fascinating because that was then opened up to our community.
And I started seeing great content being created where they're now creating images of frogs that looked exactly like it.
And they're starting to create more awareness for our project because they're getting sort of good content out into the public eye.
And I started to notice the next trend of people telling stories that they create Twitter threads,
sort of image after image after image telling a story.
And so the next logical sort of progression for me was seeing narrative and enabling our community members to tell stories about their frogs and about other people's frogs.
And so we created this means to export the images that you generate as a comic book page.
And so you can effectively select from one of six different panels on the front page for any different number of combination of panels.
And once you generate images, you sort of go back into your creations page and you can see everything you've created before.
You just select the images that you generated in the order that you want.
And it puts them into this comic book panel and allows you to put little text boxes over them.
It can be repositioned and resigned.
And what you're left with is a single page from a comic book.
And I feel this is a really powerful thing because now you're able to get any community to start creating content for their favorite projects.
So we reached out to Figgy from Yuga, the chief creator of Yuga Labs.
It's a chat for you to run 10KTF.
And if you want to build some models or Yuga, you want to basically put together some 10KTF models, some Board 8 models, some other side models.
We put together, in fact, probably my two favorite models are the 10KTF models.
They're fucking awesome.
So if you were to go to AIBlocks.app slash 10KTF, you'll be able to, again, connect a burner, get free credits.
You can start generating artwork that now looks exactly like the 10KTF style.
And so people can now start telling stories and start doing the things that project owners really want their communities to do.
And this is nothing more than sort of understanding how to use AI in interesting and new ways, but most importantly, training your own models.
And I was having a thought earlier on today, I'd like to actually train a model, if I can get everyone's permission, on all of the artwork that's been submitted to Satribute so far.
So that we have a model that's only seen user-generated content.
And the only theme that's going to be able, that AI will be able to tie together from all of these images will be the circles and the spheres.
And so I'm fascinated to see what result that will give us once we have a data set of a few thousand images.
Some of the content that we're getting submitted is absolutely mind-blowing.
And then training a model specifically on that and then seeing what happens.
I've got no idea.
I literally have no idea.
Normally the images we train models on, they have a level of consistency beyond just one underlying theme.
So I'm curious to see what...
Yeah, fuck it.
We'll do that.
I'll put that online and let's see what sort of results it generates.
But yeah, again, AI is such a rabbit hole to go into.
Definitely.
I would absolutely love to submit any and all art that's been Satribute-themed and just see what happens from there.
Specifically, I would submit art where it is very obvious that it's Satribute-themed,
because some things I've actually hidden intentionally because I like to tease and intrigue and mystery are very powerful emotions,
which are nice when utilized properly, right?
Some people just do hype, pure hype.
I don't like that.
No, no, it has to be deeper than that.
And it is shown through the way that you do things.
Like for instance, with the art of trying to make recursive images, like for instance today's GN Tweet,
which I've pinned there, you can actually look in that and you can see in the alt text,
I'm starting to utilize that now, put hidden messages in there.
If you can read this, if some of you actually go to the alt text and see what's written there,
you'll actually find information on the image itself, just, you know.
And for this one, you have a quick question that says,
do you understand the meaning that depth has in this image?
If you look at the image itself, that would be for today, you can actually see the spheres,
beautiful, golden, shiny spheres down there with impossible lighting.
You see them.
And in the previous tweet, in the morning, I basically tweeted out with a digital goal, right?
And there were these strings connected to these kinds of like scaffolding, right?
And people asking questions, what does that mean?
Like, yeah, let me figure it out.
It was basically like a hint to where the source comes from.
It's like puppet strings and kind of like scaffolding, right?
It's both together because there's this creator and builder, right?
That's the thing because the puppeteer is the creator and the builder is also the creator in a sense, right?
So they work together.
So you don't have a Hegel slave master dialectic.
You're basically truly a master where both things put together.
And so when you see this image, for instance, this is a play on how dimensions would work.
In theory, where you'd have shadows or reflections.
And that's why you see flat attributes in the sky.
And you see spherical objects at ground level connected through these strings.
So it took me a long time to get that one.
I've got an idea.
I've got an idea.
That's awesome.
How about this, Avian?
Let's for the next 24 days.
Let's say for 12 days, let's get a seed phrase.
Let's put a sound tribute in there.
And then let's get you to put one word hidden, not written, but the meaning of one word to people that can conceptualize what you're trying to express in your picture in one word.
That should be the word to the seed phrase.
And so once a day, you can do an image.
And so by the end of the 12 days, there will be 12 images that you've released, where each one to a keen eye may be able to identify what the word that you're going through is.
And then ultimately, the first person to get a seed phrase gets this attribute.
That's a really fucking cool idea.
We'd have to do a lot of chatting in the background.
How exactly we could do this, because I myself, I'm limited by my own ideas.
So like if we could hush that out for sure, which attribute would be given away?
So it was, we'll need to do some planning.
So it's going to have to be one of the contributor collections.
So one of these, one of these bad actors who did not do what they said they would do, and
had now been removed from the community.
A few of these individuals in the process of doing will not be eligible for their claims.
And so these people who haven't acted in the best interests of our community are swiftly removed.
And so once that bad hammer has been, has been put down over the course of this few days,
those individuals will not be getting their claims that they have not claimed.
And then I will know that we should have maybe two or three of these contributors
that will be coming back that I need to then think what to do with.
And I think this is really cool.
I think this is fascinating.
And I think it's a fun thing.
So definitely let's, let's have an offline and figure out exactly how we do this.
But honestly, I think that's, that's a fun sort of shit.
I want people to, to enjoy this space again and have fun doing stuff.
I don't want to do giveaways and retweets like, like, like people do, but a puzzle, you know,
actually spending some time to figure something out.
I think that is fun.
So I'm, I'm down for that.
I was literally thinking about this earlier.
I was like, this, this happened like a few weeks ago.
I was talking to someone.
I say like, dude, why don't we just like inscribe something funny?
We inscribe a bunch of hidden things that reveal seed phrases to a wallet.
Why don't we just do that?
And I said that in a chat and that it just basically went away into the ether.
And then you come up with this.
I'm like, okay.
So instead of inscribing it directly on the blockchain, we just simply use my strange images
and such.
So it will be very difficult, a really interesting challenge.
Hopefully, um, hopefully there's something to be done, but I think we can also cooperate
on this with other artists and see if we can actually make this happen because, you
know, a lot of this is just careful prompt engineering.
And so I think in order to basically get words across something that is a bit new to me,
uh, makes me a little bit nervous just thinking about, but we'll, we'll, we'll see.
We'll see how that can be done.
It would be an interesting challenge.
It also really hones true to the proof of work concept.
Like I really believe in proof of work.
Like if you put in the effort, if you show up and you do what you do, then you should
be rewarded.
Like this morning I had like a really unfortunate experience where I wanted to mint out a specific
project.
It's called squared.
And I was already there.
I was actually, I was actually at my, at my workstation.
I took a quick break and I remote controlled my computer with my phone trying to get the
mint.
And unfortunately it did not go through quickly enough.
So I got front ran, never got it.
Never got it.
It was really cool.
It was like recursive, uh, P5 JS, really beautiful stuff.
Reminded me of a movie, a close encounters of the third kind.
And so it was really, it hit, it hit me immediately when I saw it.
And so it was very sad.
A friend of mine got it though, because I gave him the alpha quite early on.
I was like, dude, this is going to happen.
Be as quickly as possible.
And he got one.
So I'm happy for him.
It was a really cool one too.
It was green.
So yeah.
Life changing tip here.
Life changing tip.
Get a Samsung galaxy fold phone, get a shadow PC account and get a tiny Bluetooth mouse
that you always carry around with you.
Because then you effectively have a high performance Windows 10 PC with a wide screen on your phone
at any given moment in time with a mouse.
And it's fucking great.
Okay.
You've just given me a reason to get a fold next time.
Cool.
Honestly, I moved to the fold.
I'm never changing phones again.
Like I, I, yeah, it's such a great, it's, I've had, I've had, I've got the three.
Dude, it's so good.
It's so good.
Like you just whip your phone out and you unfold it.
And then you've got basically like four by three screens.
You're a little bit laggy.
You might have to go closer to the microphone.
Sorry about that.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, it's really cool tech.
And in the event that the stuff you need to do, you can literally just spin up this virtual
PC and then it's basically less than a minute.
And you just have your, your UI, your, your desktop.
It's fucking great.
It's really good software.
It's a really good software.
It's a well worth checking out.
Hmm.
Really cool.
I mean, if, if you could, um, is, is it possible that you could perhaps put a thread
out on this on something?
Cause I think it would be really good for the creative space.
Cause like, let's say, for instance, you have to make it, you have to make a rush to a mint.
to a mint like even with even even with the mint for the saturates the
contributors I was quite stressed so I had to do all kinds of stuff to make it
work but like that's actually really cool it would actually represent a rather
okay I don't know why that happened okay it would actually require would would
actually bring forth a rather interesting use case for fold that
actually never gets broken off so that's the first time that I'm hearing this
that you can actually do this with the fold so you can basically use your
phone as an actual computer and that it feels like you're using a computer like
you know laptop basically which is which is really cool I absolutely love that
alpha thank you very much of course of course there's a lot of cool
tech that's coming out I mean some of it's been out for a while but I mean I've
come from from the R&D labs in Silicon Valley for 10 years and sort of I've
been fortunate enough to play with tech years before the consumer world has got
to play with it I mean I think god I tell you I saw I'll tell you some of the
things I've seen fucking hell because I still today this is 2015 I saw this
other the Samsung secret R&D lab after CES and they is this fucking very
pristine very immaculate all sort of like very applesque in all honesty like a
white room just sort of everything was white and clean and shiny and they had
all around the rooms different installments of different things that
they've been doing R&D on and I saw a fold this was again back in 2015 and it
was functional but the one thing I saw that blew my fucking mind that I still
have not seen to date was the scroll phone and it was two tubes that you
pulled apart and it had the full usable Android user interface on a transparent
screen and it was fucking cool and I still today they haven't brought that shit
to market I don't know when they're going to bring that out but my god that's
you literally just carry like two tubes in your pocket and you just pull them
apart like a scroll it's so cool so at some point they will bring that product
down how can they do yeah big shout out to DJ Coe to their former CTO slash CEO who
gave me a lot of very cool tech over the years but man I gotta say this there's
there's things that are coming out soon that are just so awe-inspiring and it's
kind of empowered creative so much I think I've heard I've heard of it I think
I've heard of this girlfriend someone like gave me alpha a really long time ago I
thought they were just shitting me but like wow that's actually cool it's real
it's the funniest thing like definitely definitely quiet in this room everyone
was just sort of whispering and sort of walking around and checking stuff out and
then this old dude picks something up and fucking drops it and you just hear
like everyone just fucking give this guy the death glare having dropped this
prototype and he just gets fucking ushered out who knows where he got taken to
but that dude's never getting back into that R&D lab again
oh my god dude I can only imagine the terror like Jesus Christ you only have like a few
pieces even maybe only one piece and you drop that one piece oh my god dude it's happened
so this has been a VRLA with these little VR meetups we used to go to in Los Angeles
back in 2013-2014 and I was showing off a two and a half KVR headsets and it's another
one of these prototypes that's sort of few seating you know we built enough for us to
demonstrate and test but we weren't making these things to go to market so the one the
I had two headsets and one of them I was giving a demo and it was a bit of the after a few
drinks and things and it wasn't one of these after party type things not after parties but
one of these satellite events and this old dude fucking again it's always the old dudes
old dude fucking like as he was trying to put the headset on he fucking drops it and it
just fucking explodes basically like bits fly everywhere and I'm just sat there like you bastard
and in fact they're putting it back together again and he's just standing over me he's like
can I can I have my go yeah and I was like you you've had your ghost uh get out of here
but yeah fucking old people man
anyway anyway um yes AI I think that's what we're talking about
why can I picture that in my head dude it's fucking horrible I remember it so vividly
I saw it in slow motion I watched the thing just tumble
like oh the day before the conference I'm like oh no
yeah whatever
oh man that's what it is
um we have a hand up sorry
oh yeah go ahead
I was gonna say uh that hand has been up for a while so um let's let's get now play a podcast
what's up dude before we we talk about curve
hey thank you thank you for having me um yeah I just wanted to reiterate something the host said
earlier like um you know you get a lot some people online like to criticize AI artists saying
that you know uh you need to pick up a pencil you're not you're not a real artist but you made
a great point like like when I do my music videos I'm starting with an original image
typically or an image that I created in in a stable diffusion or something like that
and then I'll go and I'll write a 200 word prompt right something that means something to me
something that's going to direct the video and I often use original music from friends of mine so
the this idea that you know this isn't uh art just because uh I didn't draw it or something like
that it seems silly and if if you were not uh if you were not uh focused on what you were doing and
you didn't have any passion in your work and you were just typing meaningless prompts into the
thing you're not going to get anything good like you said so you know you I just try to ignore those
people because you know it's it's amazing I was never able to draw myself and now I'm able to
create art and I've always had ideas and now I can bring them to life thanks to these tools so
it's really great and uh thank you again for letting me speak
that's great to have you here man
yeah I mean it is it's this level of empowerment that again it like there is something special about
creating something pretty and I don't know what it is whether it's a baby or whether it's a
better work of art there's something awesome about it and that was a skill that only a few
lucky artists would be able to feel and I feel that skill has been democratized at some point
and but the artists very very very swiftly forget the phrase that they used to love all so much
especially in Hollywood um which was good artists borrow and great artists steal and to take anything
other than the thought that you as an artist have looked at other paintings and those other
paintings whether you are aware or not have inspired and have been cemented in your brain
and you will tap into that creativity when you're doing your thing whether you like it or not
unfortunately once you've been exposed to something that is now in you and that your brain is a
magical thing and you'll figure out ways of recording information whether you understand it or not
and this is all AI is you're literally giving it data sets you're giving it images and currently
I understand that there's a little hesitation yeah but maybe my image is convenient in here without
my person yeah fine that's just a current state of AI go and train your own AI models build your own
proprietary IP that then you can monetize and you can leverage and you can do your own things with
and you shouldn't see this as anything other than photoshop on steroids than than ipad than procreate
than another medium another tool that can be used artists there's no way artists are going to be
replaced by AI but artists a lot of artists very well could be replaced by artists that know how to use AI
and so you need to you need to understand that you know this is just another tool another medium another
technology that is scary because it does incredible things very quickly but that's the exciting thing
figure out how you can use that to your advantage and I think people need to be educated a little
more on AI because again it is a tool there's nothing more than a tool there's nothing more than
than some technology that's going to make your life easier and and so as I say the current
implementation is using paid for subscription services that are trained on proprietary sort of
closed source information where people may or may not know what's going on under the hood
but look at the open source stuff look at exactly what's going on under the hood build your own
models that have ethical sort of training data do the things that you do that makes this technology
usable to you and so don't just sort of rely on on what's being shipped like pushed in front of you
and this is why again like AI box it's a free to use platform and there we have really cool models
that anyone's open to use and you can do what you want with them and we've got permission to make
the issue and the artists and it's all I don't know there's there's one way of doing AI there's another
but I think the general understanding of how this technology works and how to use it is
is an important thing yeah for sure I mean at the end of the day it's just it's just another tool
and it's a really cool tool at that and I mean at the same time I think AI itself can be used for
various many cool things like for instance interior design right like it could be used as concept design
that I think is one of its best implementations even like for artists who do draw a lot of the stuff
themselves let's say they want to get something that's in their head down on paper or down onto a
screen right like a canvas digital canvas but like you look at it you think to yourself okay what am I
going to do and then you basically prompt an AI with something that is in your head you try to
contextualize it try to come up with a way to speak what it is that is in your head and then basically
you get an image and then you use that image as a means to say okay I like it like this but I want
it a little different and then how you want it you can draw it and like for instance my own image
is basically me fed through mid-journey and actually it's me redrawn in the art style of
Vesalius who is a 16th century anatomist and then that itself was then taken and used to create my
banner which is done by an artist called Rob Enoch and he's really good he does a lot of cool stuff
and he made it for me so that's actually a demonstration and a proof of work that you can
actually use AI to inspire artists and that artists can actually do something with that AI
something cool something nice like I think it is not something that is antagonistic in nature I think
it is something that is basically an assistant just like chat dbt right you don't rely on chat dbt
of course not you have to double check everything that it puts out but it's a good assistant like
sometimes you say like okay I like what it says but then at the end of the day you get this huge
massive text and then you figure out that you have adjusted what 50 to 60 percent of what it has given
you which means that the creativity that truly lies with you is actually put into the text because you say
okay I like it this way I like what it has given me but this is wrong this is wrong this is wrong
this is wrong this is wrong that doesn't sound right that doesn't sound like me this is not me
this is not about that and then you basically like actually if I take anything from chat dbt which I
hardly do I modify 80 percent of what I get back so I think to myself okay am I going to type
something uh am I going to rearrange something from chat dbt or I'm just going to type stuff myself
like before chat dbt there was me that's what I always say I should have seen what I used to put up
on instagram in the comment section I was quite an awful person to a lot of people in an argument
but like yeah that's really cool stuff and I think we should get to the hands uh who was here first
sage or satoshi would have been sage yeah okay go ahead sage how's it going adrian I just uh I wanted
to share some flowers as well because remaining uh you know non-specific and non-biased uh in a
situation it's a very tough thing and uh I I try to remain the same myself and not take sides and
just kind of sit back and absorb everything for what it is and that's that's one of the most
important things that non-violent communication taught me is to bring yourself out of the situation
and to observe and not to judge and it's one of the hardest things in the moment you know to not
default to judgment so to not take sides on things and to be able to see different perspective
it's it's very important so I'd like to just throw some appreciation your way for that and
same thing with uh the spaces and when you engage it's it's I find myself very stimulated and very
engaged when I do listen to you speak and when I do hear you on spaces so I wanted to say I appreciate
that to touch up on um I know you guys were talking about uh uh I trained a voice model as well
and I noticed when training a voice model um it's actually pretty funny because it does sound a lot
like you but it sounds like you but you're dead inside so I found it I found it very funny to to
kind of run that back over because we're not to that point yet where we can replicate voices perfectly
so there's still same thing with art there's still a little bit left to be desired but I think as you
said the tweaking of the prompts is the most important thing and um to touch up on the uh the AI generated
art one of the most fascinating things I've found is when you try to get when you try to craft a prompt
to feedback a sign or something that uh imitates you know language uh it seems like mid-journey um has
its own way of coming up with language and some of the results you get uh from how it tries to
contextualize language and images is just it's absolutely baffling just to see what it comes up
with it almost feels like some sort of alien hybrid language and uh just messing with the
lighting uh of certain uh you know uh different images you can create like I think I asked uh to
create something like a 1950s ice cream shop and some of the some of the results I've been able to
get from fine tweaking and tuning everything is just it's absolutely staggering and I really do think
it you know when it comes to AI models when it comes to voice models when it comes to AI generated art
it's really going to take the the human element uh to be able to really build things up and really be
able to get it to that next level of uh of creativity where we're actually looking for so again just wanted
to share the love uh attributes I I see your artwork from Adrian all the time and it's same thing it's
it's hard these days to find a piece of art that when you stare at it you're like wow this actually makes
me think it makes me like it's I shouldn't be sitting here staring at a piece of art like
contemplating my own existence but I I feel so wonderfully thrown out into the ether and into
the void when when I see this stuff so I wanted to say how much I appreciate that
dude yeah for sure I mean I get the the attributes of art is actually the first piece of art in general
actually the first piece of actually no the first piece of digital art that I've ever seen
that has elicited within me an emotion where I was basically as soon as I received it I would cry
like that was amazing to me it was a really really good day really amazing that's why like I'm diamond
handing anything that comes from that it's never going to go anywhere it's like it's it's a beautiful
piece it's it's it's not it doesn't matter about the monetary gain it just matters about the art
I think that is the best form of value storage and actually what you said about uh language uh the way
the AI tweaks it it's like it avoids it's like it has a condition set within it to avoid
generating anything that is written language like I've tried so hard to try and break that somehow
it just doesn't do anything it says hey generate for me an A I've been trying like so many ways to
like make that happen and just does the exact opposite of what I want so I'm like okay what do
I do now at some point I gave up because I had a lot of other things to do but I was like isn't that
fascinating like language it it is so weird like okay I will I'll give you one little tip the thing
called control net again not a mid-journey thing but is a stable effusion thing and this is my
favorite use of AI dude it's so fucking good it basically it diffuses the image down to one of
one of a few different sampling types and so it creates an understanding of the thing it's looking
at in terms of an outline or in terms of a depth or in terms of a number of different filters or
methods that you can try to diffuse this image down to its most basic form effectively an outline
and then when it generates the image that you're requesting it then sticks entirely to that
outline so you effectively like my favorite thing to do is to take a logo and you put a logo through
control net and like I'll take my frogland logo and I'll type in rainforest and so it'll then generate
an image of a rainforest but all the trees will basically take the exact perfect formation of
the word frogland and it's just fucking incredible like you know you get the Nike tick and you type in
desert and you'll basically have like a oasis in a desert and you'll have this beautiful oasis shaped like
the Nike tick in a beautiful sand desert and it like it does words I mean it can literally stick
it's control net it's worth fucking with and this is what I'm saying where open source is so
fascinating especially with AI because the only thing mid-journey has to protect is their closed
source model and their prompt craft and that's it so we will as consumers and payers of their
subscription every so often every few months we'll get access to a new model but the rate of models
that are being created in the open source world you're getting hundreds if not thousands of models
created every week and they're all free and they're all open source and they're all online and
they're all or not all of them a lot of them are ethical a lot of them are good and will have specific
use cases so you want to do things in the style in the style of one specific thing then you just get
a model or a laura file that is trained on on a data set of that kind of that artwork and then
when you take control net in like the level of detail like Adrian I'm saying this Adrian because
I'm looking forward to seeing the shit that you can pull together when you when you dig into this and
well honestly it is like mid-journey is great but once you want to go down there like I think you
will fucking you're going to go so far down that rabbit hole you're going to have so much fun
it is control net specifically is my favorite use of any AI I've done so far I've actually heard a lot
about control net one of my friends he has tried this I've been tinkering around with it it was like
saying dude you can literally make anything and I was like are you sure can you make actually
everything is like yes I even tried porn I'm like okay cool as I was thinking to myself I remember
I did a space like a while ago basically when I started getting into AI and I was saying you know
it would be really crazy if you could somehow generate pornographic content that would be that
would be a problem because like going down that that specific rabbit hole of depravity is something
that I personally do not want to know that much about because it's not something I want to see in
myself it's like okay I'm going to stay away from that but I think like it's really cool to see
its functionality and that it's not gated that's actually a really cool thing like it doesn't
prevent you from doing something if you want it to do something it'll do it which is really I really
like that I love the fact that agency your own agency is allowed I think that's cool I mean it is and
like I'm just going to show you another thing that this can do I pinned a tweet up to the top of it
QCX INT and shout out for doing this incredible stuff but what you're looking at is something
called stable deform so the video I don't know if it's loaded up yet let's see okay it hasn't loaded
but keep your eyes peeled for the top I just pinned it up it may take a moment to uh to appear and but
when it does appear this is basically okay so AI you can generate an image fantastic but what's
cooler than an image lots of fucking images that make a video but that consistency to frame between
frame is very hard to do if you were to try and generate a hundred frames in mid-journey to try and
create an animation no fucking chance and this is where deform gets interesting I've tried that
so no subscription needed if you have local gpu power or cloud gpu power then you can spin up your
own instance and stable discussions okay I think that video has now loaded so if you want to check
out that video and fuck it give it a like and a retreat because this is a new member we just
welcomed into the community they've earned their orange list three spot to their upcoming one
satoshi claim of an ordinal inscribed on a special sat um but it's because I mean look at the stuff
this is a video that's been generated by stable diffusion deform a free to use application and you
type in a prompt and that is the first thing it will generate and then you say 30 frames later I want
the prompt to be this 30 frames later I want the prompt to be that 30 frames and you basically give it
the prompts that it has to work through and what you get is consistency between frames to the point
where it seamlessly joins each prompt together and outputs a video similar to the one that you're now
looking at it's fucking crazy like this is the power of open source when you have a lot of intelligent
people gathering together who annoyed at closed source information and proprietary software and
they're like we can do better so people are out there generating hundreds of thousands of like
scraping all of the mid-journey images so that they can then train their image their own models based on
mid-journey images so that you get stable diffusion mid-journey models like the creativity of the open
source world in AI is fucking fascinating and so like it's going to be years it's going to be a while
until mid-journey and Dali allow you to create videos but you can do this now today to that quality
and like yeah there's an uncanny valley thing going on you can see it's a bit weird but it's still
fucking cool I mean it's only going to get better from here and so again if you'd like mid-journey and
you like like Dali like anyone just go to stable diffusion download auto 1111 you do need a decent GPU
otherwise just go to AI blocks dot app because we've got very powerful cloud GPUs and you can
use it for free and and it's basically yeah just we can't do the forum actually on the website yet
but we can do the pictures anyway um really fucking cool stuff and so Adrian like honestly get get
stable diffusion um when you get a moment because uh you will you're just gonna wow I mean I can't
wait to see what what you come out with once you uh get into SD what they call SD 1111
I got so much stuff to play around with
that's gonna that's gonna take me a while a lot a lot of rabbit holing to do yeah wow that's gonna
be cool yeah I mean like at the same time I have to free up my computer to fit a node so I'll see
what else I can do but like yeah cool stuff man I will definitely check it out so Adrian there's also
much alpha today I can't remember it off the top of my head but there are some cloud providers that
you can utilize uh a 1111 in the cloud that way you don't have to set it up on your on your computer
because it does take oh no it doesn't take too much uh like technical knowledge but I mean if you
could just utilize the tool set in the cloud yeah it's called hugging face is the platform that you
can upload your models to and then they'll they'll give you access um so yeah definitely there are no
free version no no I'm saying there's there's there's one also that has like the automatic 1111 on it
and it even has some some other user interfaces I can't remember I know there's like a competing one
I can't remember what it's called off the top of my head
yeah they used to be a link so I can put in the chat hugging face so hugging face is the platform
that allows you to upload your models and then allow other people to generate from them sometimes
it's a wait time but you can then sort of have your own private instances so hugging face is a great
resource to check out to start dabbling with stuff if you don't have local horsepower
I think we need a dedicated space on AI tools I'm just saying I mean like I think honestly
the best thing anyone can do if you want to play with AI and start understanding
you're quite distant from the mic it's it's difficult to uh it's so strange okay um so what
I'm saying the best thing to do is just go to AI blocks and just um create a burner you get infinite
credits and start messing with that because that is stable diffusion's front end we just simplified
it we've taken a lot of the stuff that the the first time users are simply not great to need
um so yeah without having to set up any hugging face accounts or anything you can literally just
start tinkering with that we have all the open source stable diffusion models we have the popular
models like fantastic and dream shaper and then we have all of the proprietary models that we've been
training ourselves like 10kbf and program and only for some crypto punks and soon-to-be ombs and all
these other all these other different models that are being trained on on canonical artwork
you know I have an idea what if we made a community challenge to create the best uh most concise
educational thread on these various AI tools what if we did that because I I always say hey someone
should do a thread on us someone should do something good and then somebody heartlessly put
something together just to like you know appease the request but what I'd like to see is what people
would do if they actually took this to heart and did something special like you know made a good
thread maybe even collaborated with one another and say hey I know more about this or I know more
about this and then basically everyone puts out their thing and then probably at the end of the
week maybe in two weeks even you're gonna have a space on AI tools and just like go through all of
this I'm like I'm up for putting an orange list three spot playing spot up for that that's a
good worthwhile competition that is proof of work so yeah I think that's cool I'm down for that
yeah definitely uh we could probably do a I don't know we could we could actually do a space
pretty much anytime because like I'm going to do these quite often these are two hour spaces for me
it's at the end of the day for everyone else it's the beginning of the morning so actually it would
be the 4th of July if you are in the US on the east coast so yeah happy 4th of July ladies and
gentlemen don't blow each other up uh I know it's all tempting I think some of you might even get
some really crazy fireworks I've seen all you guys get up to naughty naughty naughty uh a few car
alarms will be set off but uh I will enjoy the Instagram videos as they come out maybe some
cool stuff on Twitter maybe some of you will share me something in DMs I don't know so yeah happy 4th
of July everyone just just let you know because it's like right now it should be about uh 6 a.m.
Eastern right now so most of you are probably tuning into this like getting ready for something I don't
know what you're getting ready for but you're probably ready oh by the way I sent you the link
to that website I was talking about and I don't know if you I mean you got you kind of have a decent
amount of Twitter clout and you got that mice badge now it'd be interesting to see if you could reach
out to corridor crew they you they utilized stable oh I know corridor crew yes dude I love those guys
yes dude I absolutely love those guys I would absolutely do obviously anything to get in a room
with these people and ask them questions like they they are the reason why I actually got into anything
digital art based in the first place actually the fascination with anything like that even blender
anything like that visual effects in general the only reason why I got into this I ever even looked
at the whole topic was because of how they described how it worked and how they made it you know cool
because normally it's just too technical and it just doesn't you know it's not inspiring but the way
that they put it across is really nice the YouTube channel is amazing and I watch a lot of their
their skits and stuff that they make it's so good I absolutely love it it's better than most movies
it's actually better than most of the movies that are coming out in recent times so it's really good
content watch it from time to time then watch them for years they're amazing
I'd say um we do have a few hands I am I think I don't know who was next is either
hacks are people mesh so or gorilla I think you've just came up now so I think it's happy
me it's your turn I think it might have been up
I think it might have been arty issues here for a while now and then we'll do
there we go hi thank you thank you for inviting me in good morning everybody
hi um my name's regards to AI threatening artists um I'm actually an artist and I don't feel threatened
by AI at all um the way I see it is I had to learn how to use a pencil
pencil and paints and anyone that is an artist has they know how many hours it takes to learn that
it's just repetition and I feel like AI is just another tool that we're just learning how to use
and it kind of opens the door like now you've got musicians that are turning what would be lyrics for
a song into an artwork and so I feel like it's bringing more people into the space so as when you
look at artists that have been to art school and stuff like that like I feel like they're not
really losing anything because to them it becomes like writing poetry and it's like they get so
intricate with their explanations and like say things like lighting and art history and styles and all
that stuff that we had to learn that at the time I'm sure a lot of us thought was useless like now is
coming into play with AI and it's just opening so many doors and I honestly think that as soon as
galleries start bringing art into the AI space and like into blockchain and places like that
I think it's just gonna bring a whole new dynamic to the artwork I think it's actually invigorating the art
space. I'm so happy to hear you say that because I know that there is definitely a section of the art
community that isn't as forward-thinking as that and it's a shame I think they will come around but
it's just going to need to be packaged and presented to them in a slightly different way
um but yeah it's exciting and I think what you also said I want to touch on because um we have
been talking a little bit more about the audies uh the ordinal art awards which is a celebration of
artists in web3 um creating within tech doesn't need to just be on ordinals um but if they're building
with AI if they're building in web3 in some shape or form if they're creating cool stuff then we want to
know who you are so nominate yourself or your favorite artist at theaudies.com and we have
a few announcements we're going to be making with our partners Magic Eden and and we're going to be
demonstrating some of this holographic technology that we've been working on for the past 12 years
with some partners um including NVIDIA until 5 at uh Blockdown in the Algarve on the 10th to the 12th
and so we are now going to start rolling these these very clever sophisticated AI so AR holographic
boards effectively sort of imagine a holographic picture frame into art galleries around the world
and so we are always looking for cool innovative content especially if anyone's dabbling with 3D
models or with Unity environments um we're basically taking cool gaming tech and we're repurposing it to
become digital um digital art pieces so really interesting stuff so anyone who is dabbling with
Unity um and uh has seen some of the videos circulating of what we've been building um reach out
because uh we're going to need good content we're going to be in conference after conference after
conference after gallery so just just get in touch
we've got so much stuff going on it's amazing
new stuff everywhere so uh i think hacks was next
yo what's up hi attributes um
hello there
my respect to what you're doing i like the art uh i just wanted to say that you guys sound like
fucking twins like you guys literally sound the exact same adrian and satributes uh it's pretty
funny actually uh but yeah other than that uh it's good to be here good conversation um and yeah
bitcoin still doesn't have anything so i'm looking forward for satributes to change my mind about that
and show me the layer twos on bitcoin that will actually move the bitcoin nfts forward so we can get
rid of this um you know stigma where it's like oh if you're actually a project you have to be on
eth you know what i mean because uh that is a stigma right now since bitcoin is very limited um and i think
actually what could move us forward is maybe ai right maybe ai can think of ways to give bitcoin
utility because right now it doesn't have any uh for nfts oh dude it has so much more it has so much
utility than just art yeah art is the first thing to me art is the first thing when you're given a
new medium and you when you're listening to block space artists are the first people to be creative
enough to think of new ways to use block space that hasn't been used before outside of the
transactional nature of bitcoin um just much like a caveman probably threw some fucking mud at his hand
on a wall to get an outline of his you know we are creating things by our very nature and when you
have new mediums we're going to explore what they are and first and foremost pictures are generally
the easiest thing to start to do the least complex and then we start to increase that we start to do
things like we've seen with on chain monkeys and then that will continue to be developed and continue
to be increased and then contract and infrastructure and everything is going to be developed on top of
this and all of a sudden then we have the things that you're waiting for they simply don't get
to yet because they haven't been developed yet but they're coming but sorry over the radio now i know
you have something to say actually i mean where you mentioned on chain monkeys this is exactly what
i wanted to segue into i think the blockchain is like the block space itself is really fucking cool
you can do so much cool stuff with it like i think a lot of the times people seem to think of bitcoin as
just a currency on its own i see it as a form of value storage in more ways than one right like you
can literally put tools on there you can put information on there you can put books on there you can put a
wishing well on there which is going to be a theme for next week's base so it's like there's so much
cool utility to that and on top of that one must not forget it's immutable you cannot change anything
about it it exists and what exists cannot be changed and i think that's really cool like it it not only
that it costs something to do so you don't actually put garbage on there because you literally cannot
afford to do so and then at the same time what you are putting on there if it is meaningful will stay
there forever and i mean the same applies for any kind of content books like a code someone has
inscribed apple's operating system and i know the guy who inscribed who who recursively inscribed doom
okay that's fucking awesome i just love the fact that there's someone out there has done this
actually he was the one who helped me yeah he was actually the one who uh helped me design that tool
be the bitmap and who is going to help me design something else in the future so alpha is coming
big alpha um it's really cool and i actually want to expand upon that like my thing is i don't want
any profitability as soon as somebody shills for profitability it's like okay it's not going anywhere
it's not good like anyone who does that i'll fade you i will not come to you because like i don't want
that i want no part of that i want to do cool stuff like if profit if profitability comes as a result
of the cool stuff good perfect that is success but like shilling for profitability exclusively
that is not success that's just you rinsing people you may look at it differently it may be more of a
creative form of rinsing but i don't care how you see it that is my personal opinion and like i get to
choose where i want to be i don't have that much time so the way i like to see it is i like to build
cool shit on chain it doesn't matter what chain it is on that's another thing like i think we often
limit ourselves by being maximalists in some capacity and to a degree that is ironic of me
saying this because i'm a maximalist on building cool shit right that's kind of what i want to do
but i think it's that that applies to not only just you know mechanically doing something or putting
something on the blockchain but it also refers to advancing your own mind so you're basically
maximizing that which would make your life more whole more full and i think like that that is
something that we can see reflected in our creativity like how much can you do the answer
is everything like if you if you know you can do anything i truly believe you can actually do
anything i i agree and i didn't room yesterday and it's a shame i think hacks may have may have left
um maybe there's too many facts being spat but i didn't room yesterday and the gentleman was like
but where's the data you're basing what you're doing on i mean to me i the very fact that there is no
data to base what i'm doing on is the reason why i'm doing it data has to come from somewhere and
there are unknown unknowns and unless you can figure out these unknowns that data is never going
to exist and so you may be a person that wants to wait for an l2 before you start using something
or you may be a person that needs a real tangible data that you get to point to and say look this is
a pattern that we can replicate or you can be a fucking crazy guy and you think okay i have a gut
feeling this is going to work and if someone doesn't do it we're never going to know so that's that's
where i like to put myself in um and i think that there are different kind of people out there and
so understandably if you don't want to use bitcoin until there's an l2 and infrastructure and fine
absolutely but there are innovators out there that do want to use this stuff and do want to be the
the pioneers to figure out how to do something on this new block space that's never been done before
and that's where real innovation happens um and there's no data for that there's no proof i mean
literally there's there was nothing i could google in 2012 that would talk about building a
self-contained vr headset it was just i've got to figure this shit out myself i've got to find the
smart people that i know that can help me with it and we've got to build we've got to fuck up and
we've got to fix stuff and we've got to sometimes it'll work and sometimes it won't and only then
did we start having data that we actually knew about fucking screen densities and and battery life
and and frame rates and then we actually have the tangible data that can be shared with other people
that could learn from but until you do that shit that data doesn't exist and people here in especially
in the bitcoin world they're like oh unless i've got math and data to prove it then i'm not doing it
it's fine wait just don't be the pioneer just be the second dude to the third dude the third dude to do this
but to me i mean that's never never really be much of a concern it's a shame thanks to him here
yeah that's true he left him i'm pretty sure you just wanted to make a point of some sort
like he's he's very interesting in space he's got a very uh strange way of conducting himself but i
mean that's okay oftentimes maybe a little i think i got a little short with him yesterday so i think you
just uh wanted to come back and say something in me which is fine i'll get him on the next one
yeah for sure for sure yeah but like actually there's something interesting um that there's
something that i like to personally work with like a principle that i like to hold myself to and that
is to say that ideas are cheap and execution is everything because i mean for instance when i go
into a when i go into any kind of channel on here or like space and i talk about things that should be
done it's like okay here's an idea can you make this work right like the idea itself is cheap the
execution is what's complicated so i i sometimes talk about it say okay here is this idea realistic
that's the first thing i don't ask is it realistic can you make it real right like how how how real is
it like how could it be real and like even there was this idea uh like this thought this thought i had
a really long time ago i was like hey why don't you just inscribe a book like what book would we
inscribe do something awesome put the bible on there i was like it was like something uh that you know
gives uh it's an ode to the first book that was printed so the gutenberg bible right and then
somebody actually did that like a while after that i was i actually i think the guy's even in here
the listener section so andrew he he just messaged me this one time saying oh yeah by the way i
inscribed the bible i'm like what like i have these uh i have the inscription on my now and i look at it
from time from time to time my name is mentioned there it's like a conversation that was sparked
between people where i had like a DJ night and so it's beautiful so now you are part of history
because your idea was there and i i love it when people mention those who like gave inspiration i
think that is often very underestimated how far that goes because it's cool because i think we
should motivate the idea of creating ideas you know because some people have to fill their heads
with all this technical knowledge such that they can take ideas and make them real that's why we have
devs right the devs don't necessarily need to come up with something innovative from an art perspective
they are the ones that can build you are the one that can do the crazy stuff as a network collect
crazy ideas put that together and so people work together that's the beauty of being different
it's like a difference is the thing that makes us stronger it makes us whole this is why you have
relationships it's why there's a woman why there's a man because i think those two things are
opposing uh okay but they are also complementing each other they need to exist they need to coexist
that is what creates a full life and to that extent i would also say hey have if you have a
cool idea and you know you can't make it real talk about it someone wants to make it real you know
even if you'll never get credit for it it's still worth it if you really think the idea will improve
the world get it out there talk about it and then someone will do it maybe talk to the right people
and they will give you credit for it as you should receive but remember it might also be
disappointing but i think at the end of the day it's really cool what we can do here and i think
twitter space is really the matter and people who make these twitter spaces great are the ones who
are not necessarily doing this for profit but who are doing this simply for the purpose of being
creative that's kind of what i do i actually don't really know why i do what i do i just do it because
i can and because there's something cool about doing it because like who else does this in the same way
i don't think there really is someone maybe there's some similarity sure but it's different and it feels
nice it's like i can either choose to watch a movie play a video game or i can choose to do this
and i can find out cool stuff and attainment as well as it's also a nice part of my life that i
appreciate very much yeah very well said um it's it's it's i don't know there's so much that you can
be fascinated with and the air of collaboration in web 2 you get competition and you'll get two
companies building competing products in stealth away from each other wasting time money and engineering
resources basically doing the same thing quietly alone in web 3 as soon as people would sound that
they're doing something vaguely similar then they're like right fuck it let's not waste time
let's build together and it's this air of collaboration rather than competition that you
get in web 3 that you don't get in web 2 that is it is so cool um and yeah i agree everyone's got a
superpower i like to say and it doesn't matter what your superpower is it's beneficial to the world in
some shape or form and if we can as a group self-organize and i've seen this first time with
pizza now and this is why we're striving so hard with uh with with uh satributes is because i know
we're in that similar point in time at the moment we're surrounded by great people who also want to
use technology for the right reasons and these are the people that need to be elevated and then
protected from the onslaught of uh shitheads that are about to come in from the bend dot etherums
and so we need to make sure that these people are empowered and given the technology and the
support and the funding to create because only them creating will start to bring positivity back into the
space starts to bring excitement you hear these rooms these ordinal rooms there's nothing but
positivity in them there's nothing but the flowers being shown but then you go into any any other
chain room and it's it's a complete opposite and for me this is awesome because it's giving us a new
opportunity of doing the right thing again and i've often said you know what we're doing at satributes
is we're trying to create a meta our meta of whichever project can give the most back to their community
members without taking anything from them will be the project to succeed and to win this race
and i don't mind if some bigger companies here's this message and beats us to market because
ultimately the community as a whole grows and we have introduced something that even if we get no
credit for at all makes the space a better place and i've come from a world where i've had ideas
filtered and pinched on me for many a time all the way from google in 2013 reaching out asking what my
my wish list for android vr was and i sort of told them exactly what i thought they should be doing
to android and then they went a little bit quiet and they came out with google cardboard and google daydream
and absolutely no mention of what we were doing and and then of course all the founder of oculus you
know playing with a bunch of my prototypes the only self-contained headsets while they were only
making pc vr and insisting that pc vr was the future and all mobile stuff isn't good enough and then lo
and behold they shit down their pc headsets and they start making the prototypes of demonstrating to
them and oh no no credit they gave them where it's new and i mean i won't even go into what's
happened in web3 i'll save that bombshell for another day but um yeah i mean i'm fairly used to uh
fairly used to this idea where if you have a good idea and you show it off there is always a risk
that other people will be able to execute on it faster but if your idea is a noble one and if your
idea is to feed hungry people or to provide value back to the worthwhile community members and someone
else picks that message up and runs with it and executes on it faster and fucking fantastic the whole
space is as the place grows and i built this project entirely from a point of being a community
member and how would i want to be participating in a project and what would be so cool that i would
actually toe the line and participate in more than i would any other project and and again it's this
notion of community it's collaboration of good people at one brief moment in time because i think
we only have another two or three months of this until it gets too much noise and too much money
and things get a little too messy and but for now there is this this brief glimmer of hope that we
can rally everyone together and we can do the right thing and we can learn from the mistakes of the
previous run and we can stop listening to the people we shouldn't listen to and we just start
listening to the people that we should be listening to and if i can take place then i've got a lot of
hope for ordinals i think the rest of uh all other chains are fucked i think they'll live beyond repair
and i think ordinals are basically going to be that one shining beacon of hope that's going to bring
attention back from web 2 i think when we start getting ordinal artists creating cool ordinals on
historic things that create narratives and people start paying attention to that uh not the press not yet
but it will be people it'll be people that want to get more learn more and do more and ultimately support
the artists that are doing that so then ultimately a crowd will gather because that office is going to
start making money in a market where no one's making money and that crowd will continue to grow
and as that crowd continues to grow people start to take notice and sooner or later more cool people
want to do the same thing and then once we have that we're at that beginning of this forward bull run
that we saw at the end of 2020 at the beginning of 2021 it all starts with the artists and this is why
we focus so much on artists here when i say artists i don't just mean graphic artists you can be
musicians you can game developers you can be 3d artists you can do blender you can do fucking anything you
you can write threads you can be creative in whatever your superpower is but it's that thing
that's ultimately going to make this place fun again and it's that fun that's going to start
bringing back attention and people and money and subsequently web 2 and when we get web 2 back here
then we have our sustainable model back in front of us we have the means to get near infinite money
flowing back into the space without taking from one another and we can do that simply by empowering
the cool kids that all web 2 marketing companies want to get in front of sharing their products
and so it's just a matter of negotiation and the big dudes come knocking to people who actually
know how to do business rather than some lambo moon boys who were in the right place at the right
time and they're sort of you know pumped and dumped something and i don't know like to me everything
that went wrong last uh last cycle in nfts was when the artists stopped creating and they stopped
creating because it wasn't worth it for them anymore they either couldn't afford it they couldn't afford
to support themselves or yeah they basically had to go back to real life work and when that
happens that's when everything started to go down anyway i'm just rambling now i'm gonna start
oh good man that's a really good offer this is exactly what we need right now so uh gorilla
were you next who was next i think it was leila leila's next yeah
i don't think it's me but i do have to say about the uh blockchain is a big part of our future because
when we set up the quantum financial weeding system the biggest part about that is blocking
out the governments from stealing the banks from stealing and then we can start making our free
choices and we'll use our funds to um donate to resources instead of uh politicians so i'm just
gonna leave it there and i'll put my hand up in a minute
i think i get where you're coming from um sort of using blockchain as a way to circumvent sort of
government control is always a possibility and the risk there is that the government start buying
faster and more than the people buy and which is why everyone should be buying crypto in my opinion
not financial advice but i don't want to hold fiat i would rather hold crypto because in my mind
that's uh a store of value at least certain cryptos and at that what can you do with your
store of value well if i can if i can scratch a pretty picture in my store of value then that's
a multiplier and that's why i love ordinal so much
it's like you could look at it just like gold and watch like a gold watch if you think about it the
material is that it is made out of is worth something right like it's worth some sort of
designation but then when you turn it into a piece of engineering then it's suddenly worth
more than the material that it is made out of that i think is a really good way to think about it
it's like there's some utility to this in some specific way shape or form and i think so basically
you could look at bitcoin like a watch right made out of gold so what do you do with that gold you can
make anything happen you can make a beautiful necklace or you go further you would create something
like a recursive inscription that is a tool that is how i'd like to see a watch let's say you're really
good at that and you've created yourself a swiss watch now you're getting really good now you're
getting amazing and eventually probably you'll create something that is specifically geared
towards functionality and you have something like a quartz quartz watch instead which i might
have to say anyone who gives shit about quartz watches do you even know how cool that is like
do you know how cool that tech is like a piezoelectric crystal you know how cool that shit is
like at that same point like have you looked into piezoelectric fans no moving parts like i'm just
saying it's extremely expensive but like just look at that's a very interesting topic like electrified
crystals and stuff like that and why hasn't that come into the forefront of technology nowadays
i mean it has as far as like crystal leds but like just to think what what could be done with
the memory capacity of crystals is crazy
true i mean it's it's also interesting because when you look at something like ocm dimensions
there's this drive to data compression in creative ways it's like okay well how do i take something
that is extremely complicated and compress it down to like sub one kilobyte that's just like it's on
its own it sounds like a really strange thing it's like how the fuck would you even do that and why
would you even want to like we have enough space i was like but what if you didn't like what if you
wanted to be crazy and so you basically use p5.js to draw it's like that's funny i like that i think
that that in all of itself would be very important because i think we have we we're too used to
wasting storage i think that's personally something the way i like to see it is we are wasting storage
like the amount of stuff we could do with that space how much you could have done with that space
in the past nowadays it's just you need more space because you have more stuff that you
can put there right like you have so much stuff that needs to be put somewhere so you need more
space but i think like if we're moving towards something that's more efficient something better
then that's that's better for everyone like it's really cool and i think immutability this is
something where i think web2 elements might be a bit scared because if you think about something
that is immutable as a pieces of information that might one day be forbidden because the powers of
be do not agree with it then you can't do anything about it you can't censor the blockchain
it exists as it's cool as it fucking gets perhaps you can somehow do something about it like you're
not supposed to run a node but like not everyone will comply so the blockchain will exist and i think
before that happens the one thing that i want to see at least from the space somehow is if at one
glorious moment we can all get together and fund perhaps a rocket with a satellite on it and but
and in that satellite you have a computer that basically runs a crypto node thereby making sure
that even if something really fucked happens on earth it doesn't die that's that's what i want to
see that's that's that's actually for me the final form like if that is achievable then for me that's
where i want to go essentially like for me if there was one goal that i that i would have that i want to
see for crypto is to see that happen so like a satellite library of alexandria basically adrian it's
it's actually it's actually amazing because i've had that exact same thought before because uh one of
the blockchains i come from relies on independent uh data nodes that are launched with independent
data centers and i i kind of posed the question well what if you were to have a data center that was run
in outer space it's truly and freely controlled by no central authority at all no matter where it is
it's it's out there and it can't be tampered with so i it's it's a very interesting concept i will agree
like i think it's it's it's so fucking like why would you not want to have the blockchain in space
all right come on i think i think that'd be i think some government would accidentally shoot that
down pretty damn quick oh sorry we thought it was uh we thought it was something malicious
yeah we'll see and then maybe one day you'd have that on mars but like that there are so many things
that you have to consider it's like okay how does validation work now because like if you have a
different blockchain on mars like what's going on there it would be very interesting to see how that
would happen so yeah i personally think that if you were to take bitcoin you were to store node
and whether then use that on mars you could basically transport the internet with you
so you'd have basically we could like hard fork bitcoin you basically have your own thing like your
own internet but it's all on chain bitcoin mars that's hilarious you could do some some quantum
tunneling to i don't know do some clever quantum entanglement to update your your your your
your ledger yeah your distributed ledger that's an issue though i don't think that's possible
because you you're kind of manipulating the state of the of a particle and that's an issue so like
if you even if you entangle them as soon as you manipulate it it's not going to just like
translate over it would be very nice because then you could basically communicate at faster than
light speed but we all know that yeah so my cousin's studying uh quantum cryptography at
Carnegie Mellon and like i'll call him to have like these crazy like theoretical discussions right
and and so what like you made me think of the ansible from ender's game and i remember
growing up i was pretty optimistic about technology in general but i remember the two things that i was
just like questionable on and didn't really think were from a brave new world were the commercial
rocket transport and the ansible from ender's game right but then elon musk has basically showed us
like commercial rockets are are coming soon and so my cousin said as as like quantum mechanics are
currently understood the ansible isn't possible but like who's to say that we don't understand or
like figure out something within like physics that actually makes that possible right
i i agree with that i think we just haven't figured it out yet um i think well it technically in
our understanding of the standard model of physics doesn't make sense but quantum physics is fucking
with everything and i think just think we'll get a better understanding of it and we will figure it
out it seems too useful and it's it's a thing that is i don't know yeah watch this space not this
space watch that space yeah i think there's so much in the universe that we still have to understand
so i'm like thinking to myself what do we pick like i'm glad that there's at least some people who get
into quantum mechanics because it literally breaks your brain because the moment you start to
understand is the moment that you're not it's like you actually yeah it's weird to think about it
like you're not who is it that said exactly whoever said they understand quantum physics is lying
i think it's i'm sorry someone someone had some wonderful quote i just butchered but if anyone
ever pretends they understand what they're talking about then they fucking don't
yeah i think that's one of the attributes of the universe it's just like
the universe
perceptive consciousness
what was that sir what what happened there the universe my ass what was that i think someone
got pissed off at you doing spaces yeah gorilla blanco was not in that house
jesus christ what i was there was like focus like focus is a different
it makes a difference you know i mean your consciousness
oh boy this is not good this is not going well for him
the universe is about to come down on him this fourth of july
oh yeah that's for sure the way it started by the way
ed right when you started going off and saying now here's the secret to ai programs all you got to
do is i just was like that's the story of my ai
research career literally uh thanks for sharing earlier though
i will say actually so we've got um if you go to ai blogs.app we've actually got a youtube link that
you can click on and we've pre-recorded videos to show you how to use a bunch of these different
models so we can literally just have a walk through to see how to generate comics and use
these different models and all that fun stuff so if you did want more and you didn't hear anything
just use that website and um you'd be able to to find the youtube videos and it shows you how to
use everything okay one more time what's the website so i can drop it in the chat
a i blocks like art blocks but a i blocks dot app app perfect need you to say it in america in that time
all right got that for the chat thank you very much thank you and i've got to say adrian i know
what we had um i have a call in two minutes i'm gonna have to dash but um i really really enjoyed
the space and i can if i can i can leave with you obviously to keep it rolling if i'm if i can
really less than 30 minutes i'll i'll hop back in and but yeah actually say thank you everyone for
being here and listen to me ramble well i mean i have to get off in like i don't know 20 minutes
about so like if if you go we can just kind of space and do this some other time like whenever you
want to do a space just like let me know in advance and we can do it early morning brew style
a lot of things going on so so i think this is a nice format hardly anyone does it because you
know it's difficult but i do believe that people need their early morning grind alpha as they're
grinding so it's good stuff you know everybody wants to everybody who gets up at this time i have
no idea what you're doing in your life in fact i can leave you all with a little bit of alpha
oh sorry i got rugged there i got rugged there but i was saying i can leave you all with a little
bit of alpha um if you check the pin tweet on attributes and we have our first og our first
titan of industry coming to teach these uh this ragtag group of revolutionists that we have our ogs
and our top contributors uh best practices for extracting money from web 2 and injecting it into
web 3. so randy is better known for being cco at adobe inventing the pdf for getting the founders of
yahoo their funding from sequoia and then sitting on the board of yahoo and board of directors and
he then went on to found several companies with steve jobs and he has uh i'm forgetting so much
stuff that randy's done over the years but he's one of the biggest most respected names that you get
in silicon valley and he's one of our holders in the discord so you can ping out randy adams if you
and og but he's going to be sitting down with a bunch of people from our community mainly people
who need to know how to fundraise and how to position themselves and how to negotiate and so we have
our first revolution hq sit down taking place on friday at 10 a.m est in our discord um so yeah
it'll be randy and i sort of talking i've been fortunate enough to know randy and he's worked
with me now for a better part of a decade and he's such a cool guy and he knows what we're doing he's
been watching i mean it's hilarious i have to get him to download discord um to get it up and running
and like with one server and he's like fucking hell ed you're blowing up my my my notifications
and i'm like you can turn him off he's like no no i love that i want to see what's going on
so he's uh what's happening here so yeah he's going to sit down with us until we get a good little
brain zoning and this is going to be the first sort of monthly monthly sessions we're going to be
getting with these titans of industry that are sort of in our community yeah so that's going to be our
first one revolution sit down number one so that's going to be friday um so just checking pin three
for more info but on that note everyone i'm going to wish you all a very good rabbit i'm going to dash
and uh just be good people that's all you can do just support us and we will see you uh see you soon
good stuff man so i think we could uh wrap up the space right here anyone got any final thoughts
they would like to add because uh yeah this is a really good space one quick thing i was looking
at your pfp and you mentioned the artist that it was inspired by from the 1600s i don't recall his
name but don't you feel don't you feel like it it looks a lot like um da vinci's vitruvian man
and maybe the art to an extent yes maybe the artist that you took inspiration from took inspiration from
leonardo and then i was thinking about how cool that was to start thinking about like inscribing
information like that so that we can like take you know so that we don't have another dark
period like um yeah i'm actually working on something like that i'm actually working on
something like that yeah like i love the renaissance so much and i think that we're obviously like going
through this digital renaissance now so like ensuring that like and you know the word renaissance what it
means right it means rebirth and so like think about the digital rebirth and how we're going to
include those ancient texts as well so that we don't lose that information moving forward
yeah i mean like this this is actually what i'm putting together right now it's like
a library of alexandria and like that's why i always advocate for things that would
you know prevent its burning so if you think about the that blockchain being that library and
that's why i'm also saying it's like we shouldn't necessarily just focus on one chain but like if
you had other chains you could also do the same with it's like it we shouldn't limit ourselves we
mustn't limit ourselves and we mustn't like condense all knowledge into one point and just leave it
there not spread it it's like why not like why not put it on other chains like backups dude
also back up physical world so if this on-chain movement was successful enough that we could
generate enough money to make architecture like real capital a architecture and beautiful buildings
to leave to the next generations like the previous generations did for us you know like the romans and
like they're they're even just the flooring like how long that's lasted like sometimes you'll
they'll be like a mosaic floor underneath a field in you know tuscany somewhere and they they uncover
it and it tells a story right just like any kind of painting on any cave wall tells a story and so in
a way we're like given this opportunity right now to move forward and bring our stories to the future
and i just would love to like make sure that we don't forget our past you know that we do look back
and we incorporate the learnings that people have made before us so that we can move forward more
more intelligently you know more swiftly that makes sense yeah for sure i mean at the same time when it
comes to architecture and things such as that i mean the immutable nature of the blockchain or like as
it is called in the bitcoin white white paper the time chain it's actually funny it's called a time
chain because it's an immutable timeline which is really cool because you can't actually receive the
same thing from history like history is written by people and people are not necessarily immutable
they are most definitely immutable yeah you're unfortunate you're unfortunately expire at some
point and so and the perceptions of such beings do also expire with them but you do not have this
with the time chain you don't have this with the blockchain it's immutable it's on there so i think
it's really important especially from the perspective of how things are written and like even with
architecture you can take this to a very literal sense i'm pretty sure at some point someone is going to be
crazy enough to basically inscribe a lidar scan like a lidar scan of a church anything really i think
there will come a point where you can do this can you repeat it's all just data points a lidar scan
what was that lighter lidar lidar it's like radar but it's using light instead like used frequently and
what your intention yeah just like that the same way they uncover that shit you can like scan any
building and like take that output take those data points and put them on there and it's like you have
it so even if you can take an entire city you can scan an entire city top to bottom it's going to be an
extremely large amount of data but like if you could probably condense that down somehow maybe even
section it off and then reference those inscriptions to one another let's say for instance here this is
plot 16a of manhattan i don't know shit like that basically you have to think about it and that's it's
it's airspace level such and such something like that you can probably make something like that
happen it would be extremely difficult extremely expensive but i think the future would be doable
if the incentive is high enough because i'm pretty sure that at some point uh earth in the future
probably thousands of years from now hopefully anyways uh will become the historical center the
birthplace of our civilization after all because i think we're going to be on mars we're going to
populate that we're going to populate the moon we're probably going to take a while until it
populate the solar system we're probably never going to make it out of the solar system but we
will survive we will live on and so the best way of doing that is to basically make sure that we
you know we think beyond ourselves i think a lot of the time what we do is we think about the
immediate gains and we think about ourselves only not about what comes after i think of everything
that comes after like i have to say this is like even when in arguments with a person it's like okay
so i've just defeated an individual for reasons that you may not necessarily understand so now what
what do you do right what do you want what do you really want like how far are you willing to get
that and why do you want it do you really want it or do you need it do you really need it though so
little thing there anyways what i really need right now would be rest right um so i will i will
i'll wrap up the space for me it's basically night time so it's like dj but it's it's really good
like i think this is a nice meeting point uh basically on the other end of the planet
so whatever is night time to me is morning to you guys and that's why this is the perfect
way for me to do spaces on pretty much a daily unless of course life uh tends to have me stay
up even later than normal and i can't attend spaces you know to fullest capacity so yeah i've got lots
of stuff coming up uh probably we'll have another one of these spaces tomorrow depends on who's coming
on but if we have something really cool happening then i will definitely have a space um today we had
satibutes which is really fucking cool and then probably in a few weeks from now actually yeah
actually in two weeks from now we will have a space similar to this in fact where we will be
talking with gary marcus which we can go look look up who that is and set your mind as like you can
search for the tweet it's out there and mice media will be doing me joining me they organize this
so do give them a follow because they do a lot of good work behind the scenes and this is basically
what we're doing so like i i present an aspect that's why i got the affiliate badge i'm not
looking for clout i'm just i just got it didn't even ask for it but i have it so that's cool
but like i seek to build i seek to inform i seek to find out the best way to do that is to bring
people on who actually know and who are actually the people you want to ask rather than to say hey
i'm journalist i know it's like i'm no journalist and i will not tell you what i know i will simply bring
you to the people who do know and those are the people from which the information comes that's
the goal it's like go to the source get everything from there not second on necessarily so yeah and
with that i shall wrap up the space thank you to everyone for joining in i hope you enjoy the rest
of your morning uh happy fourth of july ladies and gentlemen please don't blow each other up uh don't
do anything illegal we all know how it is have an absolutely amazing day get that barbecue going
celebrate read the constitution man it's good stuff good practice at least do it once a year
you should actually do it more but anyways i shall see you guys some other time bye
