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The Bloom Room #002: Simplifying Workflows
Recorded: Jan. 11, 2026 Duration: 3:14:03Space Recording
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Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yippee!
Yippee!
That was Dakota in the background. Cool. Wow. We made it. Sorry, I'm running a couple
minutes late. The roads were bad and we just got home, but we are home safely and that's all that
matters. Welcome to episode two of the Bloom Room, everybody. This episode, we're going to
talk about simplifying workflows, how to keep yourself on track without burning out.
Because that happens. I've been there. I think we've all been there.
And yeah, I just, I kind of want to talk about my methods, talk about your methods, kind of keep each other accountable for what we talked about last week, check
in to see how everybody's doing with their goals.
Let's bring up Welshy.
See, we've got AJ here.
We've got Casey and Welshy.
If you guys want to go throw up a post about this space, throw it in the DMs, get other
people in here.
What's up, Wels welshie welcome what is going
on mella how's it going pretty good how are you good i just saw your space come up and i'm like
i haven't talked to mella in a while so i'm gonna pop in here i don't know what this space is about
but uh so hopefully i'm not breaking up the flow of something that you got going no you're all good
you're all good this is a pretty conversational space. Yeah. So it's,
I started it last week. I've been planning it for a while. Basically, I'll give you a quick
rundown. These spaces, we often talk about like our goals and what we're working on,
especially with the new year. And, you know, sometimes we talk the talk,
but we don't always walk the walk. So I wanted to kind of start a space that we host weekly
to try and hold each other accountable, talk about, you know, different ways that we
can work on our goals and, you know, get other people's insight. Maybe you're working on
something that someone else knows about and
might have some networking opportunities and all that fun stuff. So yeah, it's kind of just a,
I don't know, I guess you could call it a go-getter space. Like let's, let's walk the
walk and do the thing and try and reach our goals for 2026 together. I love that sounds good but everything's going good with you
oh yeah busy busy um yeah i feel like it's been forever dude it's been a long time i can't even
remember uh the last time we chatted in spaces but it's going well see i don't host spaces that
much anymore like i mean i i used to do them all the time on on the not brock profile that i have but then and then this one i was hosting him for a little while but i don't
know man it's just i haven't been around that much lately yeah it happens you got real life
stuff going on i'm sure but so uh what are you doing for um I think the last thing I saw, you had gone down to, I
think LA it was, and you had won an award.
So I was nominated for.
Nominated.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was nominated for Singer Songwriter of the Year at the Hollywood Independent Music Awards.
Yeah.
And that was really cool.
It was a really cool experience.
It just kind of happened. happened like I submitted my song um my it was the song dancing cry that I released the first
song from my upcoming album and I submitted it and I forgot that like I literally forgot that I
submitted it to this uh awards show so then I checked my email one day and it was like
you have been nominated and please come to LA and walk a walk a red carpet and do the thing and I
was like that's fucking awesome yeah absolutely insane experience so yeah it was it was pretty
cool didn't so so obviously did did it end up in a win?
Because, like, a nomination for that, in my opinion, is, like, gold.
Like, do you know what I mean?
Like, even if with a nomination, it's still a good shit if you win.
It's a nomination.
It's still, like, you know.
Yeah, it's still something to be proud of, for sure.
I did not win, which is okay.
I, of course, at at first i was like well motherfucker
but yeah no i think it's like something to be proud of like just having my music recognized
um in that way yeah it was really cool so yeah because like because your story is probably like
it's it's like the the picture yeah i don't know for like a canadian artist so yeah because like because your story is probably like it's it's like the the picture
yeah i don't know for like a canadian artist so yeah yeah oh yeah just trying to get out there
i live in the middle of butt fuck nowhere so yeah like not even just being a canadian artist just a
canadian canadian artist from like a tiny little town that you you know, if you blink twice while you're driving through it,
you're, you're going to miss it. So yeah, it was pretty cool. Um, I'll probably submit again this
year. Cause why not? Uh, I don't know. No, you should, you should. Yeah. And you never know,
like it's, it's also like a cool way to network. Like I met a bunch of people and
so how about you? What's going on in your life nothing i just
been uh chilling like i do and yeah i don't really know there's not yeah no no hollywood
awards for you right now no but um what i do plan on doing is um i don't know this year but i think
next year i want to get myself down to
the red carpet on the Oscars or figure out how I can get in to be able to
document it because like that's not so my page is right it's all about like film
and all that type of stuff and getting like you know what stuff that I least I
think is good out to people and stuff that I'm interested in and what I think is good out to people and stuff that I'm interested in and what I think would be
cool is
there isn't really much going on here
in Edmonton film wise
or anything like that at the current moment
maybe in like BC or Toronto
there might be something going on but
at least here in Edmonton at the current moment
there's nothing so there's not really anything
I can travel to but I would love
to it's been kind of making me think how I would love to just actually get to like, just fuck it.
Like, I don't really care what it costs.
I just want to have that experience.
Like, if it's a 15 grand thing, then it's like, fuck it.
Just to be on that red carpet and a part of that and documenting that and seeing what it's all about would be so awesome.
all about would be so awesome like and it then it'd be like raw content right it's not like
Like, and then it'd be like raw content, right?
something that i'm getting from i don't know like another media source that i'm trying to
you know get out but it'd be like i'm there fucking actually doing it i love that so yeah
would you call that okay so actually this is perfect last week um the topic of the space was
setting the tone for 2026 like like kind of setting the goals.
And, you know, we created mission statements.
So would you say that that's your mission for 2026?
Or if you had a mission, what would it be?
It's definitely, yeah, yeah.
I want to get more into the actual scene.
Like, I want to be careful what I get into with the scene.
But at the same time, I want to get myself into it more.
So, I mean, maybe traveling to Vancouver or there.
Like I said, like the Oscars, I don't know this year, but I think next year is when I'll do it.
next year is when I'm I'll do it but um that's my goal is to get more in depth with it so I can get
a better understanding from an actual um I guess real level instead of just like seeing it through
the channels right like I want to be there I want to experience it and like see like like like the
thing that you got like you went to like the independent awards like be there at like that type of thing to actually like witness something like that
that'd be cool as hell well if i get nominated this year you can come and you can walk the red
carpet with us and don't like it don't tease me it's honestly it was really cool it was um
like i get what you're saying because it's one thing to be on online and like witnessing
things from a distance.
Yeah.
And it's another thing to just like actually put yourself in those positions and experience
what it's like.
So I totally get where you're coming from with that.
And that's part of the reason why I actually went, because I had the option to just, you
know, I was still going to be nominated and considered for the award regardless of if I went to the award show yeah um but so I
was like okay do I spend the money do I go do this thing like this is it's it's just there's no profit
there it's all just spending so yeah and and it's not you know LA is not the most uh it's not, you know, LA is not the most, uh, it's not the cheapest place to stay, especially Hollywood.
So yeah, like I, I kind of, I don't know.
I just, I don't know what's the saying, bit the bullet.
I don't know.
I, I just kind of went for it because I think we, we, we all live in like this really like
distant version of reality lately. At least that's how I've been feeling.
distant version of reality lately that at least that's how I've been feeling.
So it's cool to just go and do things in real life and meet people and shake hands.
And I honestly think that that's how you build a network. Nothing can replace in-person
experiences. And I think that's true for live music. I think that's true for live music i think that's true for building like
business connections too like shaking someone's hand is much different than hopping on a zoom
call you know yeah and just seeing like the people actually in person because i'm guaranteeing there
was so many fucking like people at that at that thing totally yeah and like after parties and like getting to know people in that way it's
just so much fun it was so much fun um so that's what did your uh i'm gonna guess that you brought
your hubby with you what like what did he think about everything like was he he loved it like we
both uh we both dressed up and we walked the red carpet together we did the red carpet interviews
together um i think at least one of them after the first one he was like i don't want to do that and we walked the red carpet together. We did the red carpet interviews together.
I think at least one of them after the first one,
he was like, I don't want to do that again.
You're going to go do this by yourself.
Cause it was funny.
The guy that interviewed us, he asked Dakota a bunch of questions
and he did not expect that
because he wasn't the person that was nominated.
He thought that he was just going to kind of be there.
And maybe it would be like, oh, I'm the guitarist, something small.
But then the interviewer started asking him questions.
And then when we finished with that interview, he was like, all right, you're on your own.
I'm not answering any more questions.
It was really funny.
Oh, really embarrassing moment happened on the red carpet
actually nobody knows this um so the first interview he asked me at the end of the interview
he was like so where can everybody find you and obviously he was talking about like, what's my social media handle, right?
And I, because my social media handle is at Mello Be Official.
But my Gmail is at is Mello Be Official at Gmail dot com.
OK, so I answered.
I was like, yeah, you can find me at Mello Be Official at Gmail dot com. And I was like, fuck.
And the interviewer just looked at me like uh it's okay we can fix that we can fix that let's let's try that again
so the interview that's out there is actually there's a cut in it and he like cut that part
out and and replaced it with my actual oh that's perfect yeah yeah yeah yeah hit me up on email yeah man i should have
imagine um you know like i feel like that's the equivalent of me being like yeah you can send
mail to this po box like yeah yeah no it is ridiculous so here's my aol i know i was here
here have my msn messenger handle like yeah that was i was here here have my msn messenger handle yeah that was that was the
days i remember msn messenger that was the that was like the start of it like wow i know and
fucking nextopia oh yeah fuck yeah it's crazy to think how far we've come in such a short period
of time yeah i still like you had to go buy the
plus i remember i had to walk to like there was some place inside of our mall here west edmonton
mall here in edmonton that sold the plus and i had to go there and buy the plus and then they would
apply it to the account in order to get it and then you had like a bunch of features you could
get with yeah oh my god on the house hey i just wanted to tell you about the edmonton film scene uh if you're willing
to head over to calgary a little bit yeah calgary's bumping right now yeah yeah calgary has a bunch of
cool stuff i i'm a pro i'm a retired pro wrestler by east wrestle with the heart family so oh shit
okay yeah we were on calgary you know that and uh yeah yeah but we've always been heavily involved with like the independent
film scene and uh there's a lot of stuff especially when you work with indigenous groups
yeah where there's a lot of funding for independent films and things like that
so yeah i mean just take a little drive get along with that scene uh build up your portfolio of
covering stuff and it'll cross over really well to LA because a lot
of the LA people kind of know there's opportunities in doing stuff with Canada. You'd be surprised
who'd actually kind of open the door just because they think you're a good connection to have in
their back pocket. Yeah. Yeah, no, that's like, that's sick that they actually used to rest.
I just followed you there, but, uh,. But the hearts are a big name, man.
Like, yeah.
That's awesome.
Gorilla in the house.
I just want to say hi.
What's up, AJ?
How are you?
How you doing, girl?
How you doing?
What's going on?
Yeah, we got Bliss in the house, everybody.
Gorilla's here.
I like Gorilla, man.
He knows one of my best friends.
He's like my brother, John like Gorilla, man. He knows one of my best friends, my brother,
John Campitella, man. Yeah. I love these rest of Gorilla.
Stories from you. But before that, what's up, Mella? How you been?
Hey, I'm good. Oh my God. It's been a crazy busy week. And I'm so excited to be in this space
right now because as you can see, the topic is simplifying workflows.
And I'm like in that process right now for 2026.
I'm in the depths of figuring out how I'm going to manage everything and not burn out and create some clarity in my own world.
So I'm excited to be here.
I hope everyone else is excited to be here. I hope everyone else
is excited to be here. Thank you for coming through. I see we've got AJ, we got Welsh,
we got Flu, we got Casey, and we got Gorilla up on stage. Let's check in with Flu. Oh my god,
it's been so long, dude. How are you? Earth to Flu. Hold on, maybe he needs me to call him. One second.
Earth to flu. Hold on. Maybe he needs me to call him. One second.
Hey, flu? Is flu there?
Earth to flu. One more time.
No, flu can't make it to the phone right now.
He's really busy doing something way more important than the bloom room.
He's on a special mission so it's okay flu will be with us i'm sorry i'm sorry it's here i am flu flu is me
that's okay i'm sure he'll be with us soon um let's check in with kc How are you, Casey? How's your week been? How's things going?
Good.
How are you?
Been very busy.
But kind of curious, how was your night last night?
Seemed like you might have had fun in your performance?
I did.
I had a good performance. It was my first performance of 2026.
So it was a good way to kind of get the ball rolling. I've got some more gigs lined up for the year. So and then I think
everybody probably knows by now because I haven't shut up about it. But I have posted the application link for those that would like to get involved with my DIY backyard tour.
And I've received, I think, nine responses so far.
So that's nine potential shows, which is sick.
I thought I was going to get like nada.
So that's really cool.
I'm stoked to see that people are interested in it.
So for those of you who might not know, I'm approaching touring
a little different for this album release. I want to do it in a very intimate way where I
bring the music to communities. And that can be in, you know, backyards, it can be in living rooms,
it could be maybe it's like a rooftop patio that you want to want to rent out together,
or like a community space of some sort. I basically want to take the power back into my own hands with
this tour and take out the middleman and just do it myself. So hence the reason I'm calling it a
DIY backyard tour. So that's kind of where I'm at right now with planning more gigs.
But last night was sick because it was like a singer songwriter round. So it was me and two
other artists. And we sat together on stage and we just took turns singing our originals. And it
was really wholesome and laughs were had and tears were shed and it was just, I don't know, that's exactly what I like to do is just play my songs for people and hear other people's songs and share those moments. So I really enjoyed it. I wish you guys could have all been there. It was really, really special.
oh we got very cool yeah no i was i was thinking about you while i was in uh space last night
Oh, we got.
Very cool.
singing i was like i don't know how mel is doing hope her her show is doing good and then i saw
the picture today and i was like oh yeah it looks like it went well did you notice uh did you notice
my error the time bump yeah no that was funny i i i was like I saw it and I was like 2025 and it just like my
brain just skipped right over it was like yeah whatever and then I saw you commenting on it and
I was like oh yeah you know what she did she traveled back in time yeah which is ironic because
um I guess the real the part that made me smile was that like what I'm working on as we speak is uh I guess the extra
section of the game it kind of keeps track of like all your data that you acquire over time
number of trips how far you've gone how much money you've spent but I wound up styling it to look
like the display on the time machine in the DeLorean, if you remember what that looks like. Wow. Oh my God. That's so cool. Um, and how's that going? Like, are you, uh, you're making
good progress. You're feeling good. Um, yeah, as far as the project itself goes, cause as we
discussed with the whole marketing side of things, so if, but, um, yeah, yeah, no, I'm not quite done.
I didn't meet my goal of having it updated
and released by the time we met again.
But I'm hesitant to say next week as well.
But yeah, there's two things left I have to do.
There you go.
That's okay.
Deadlines, sometimes deadlines don't get met
for a good reason, right? Timing is everything. And it's not necessarily like you failed to meet
a deadline. It's just like, you know, sometimes certain factors get in the way and it's just good
to have like a, like a goal to, to aim for. And then if you don't meet that goal cool push it and and it'll happen
because your eye is still on the prize you know what i'm saying have you seen that weezer's been
doing that uh backyard tour recently there's been some bigger acts you've kind of gone towards the
whole uh yep neighborhood touring gig yeah um all american rejects they are doing it as well
so the reason i think the bigger bands
are doing this too is because the ticketing um the ticketing world is just in shambles like
ticket masters being sued um there's just like a whole lot of live nations is wrecked oh wow
guys and why do you guys think that why is that happening gorilla or no oh it's because
they're greedy motherfuckers they so like um they're profiting off of the scalpers too
so they don't care that people are buying tickets in bulk and then selling them for a profit like
they love it they're like yeah give us all your money. You really think they're not in on the game? That they're not sniping their own sales?
Come on, don't be so nice.
They have to set up themselves.
The lawsuit is in the works right now.
So obviously we got to use the word allegedly.
But there's a whole lot of evidence to prove that they are in on it.
So in my opinion we might
be seeing some i think we're going to see some significant changes in the music industry
over the next two to five years um it's it's similar to crypto with how they do the bundle
snipe where the insiders buy up the bulk of the tokens at the bottom, and then they sell on the top.
These ticket agencies were having their own servers being logged in quicker than everybody else
and buying up all the premium tickets.
And then selling them on their secondary and even third tier,
similar to like an NFT,
how they're creating fake volume to drive the prices as high as possible.
Discovery is going to be a biatch
for them when they realize that it wasn't just the scalpers they multi-leveled the scalping
to to drive the price so high they they were they were buying three and four levels of driving the
price up to where everybody thought that fifth level of the price was the real floor when it
was them driving it up. Yeah, exactly.
I went to go look at tickets for,
I wanted to get my mom,
Michael BublΓ© tickets,
cause he's coming to Toronto and my mom is like obsessed with Michael BublΓ©.
She thinks he's like the hottest thing.
great show.
I've been to a BublΓ© show.
That's absolutely a great show.
I went on Valentine's with a very good looking,
very crazy nurse.
Well,
he's an amazing singer, amazing artist. And then i'm looking at these tickets and i'm like are you
kidding me you want me to pay like two grand a ticket are you shitting me right now and like
it's just it's it's pricing out the average joe schmo You know what I mean? Like nobody can afford to go to concerts
anymore. So that's why I think this whole like the bubble is gonna burst. We're seeing big artists
not be able to sell out their their shows now. That's what's happening. Like there's actually
big labels are paying people to go to shows just to fill seats for their artists that they need and and then they
write it off as a loss right so it's it's all about the balance sheets and and um we're gonna
see the bubble burst that's my prediction and that's partly why I want to do things a little
bit differently with my tour am I a big artist that is on those platforms no I'm not but I just want to distance myself
from the system as far as possible because I just don't see how it makes any sense it's not a good
business move to me so I don't know I just want to do it this way and see what happens it also
just like really aligns with who I am as an artist in this album it's like my music's pretty intimate you guys have heard me play many times in spaces
and acoustically and stuff and it seems like a lot of people um they often say oh I love your
acoustic performances like that's kind of become what I'm known for in a sense. So it just makes sense to me to give people the show that
they are used to and the show that they ask for. So that's my goal with this tour.
So we'll see how it goes. I'm still like working through the logistics because I think I needed
I needed to get the application form out because how do you
like figure out the logistics for a tour that you don't have any data on so I needed to gather
the data figure out what cities I need to go to you know what kind of shows I'm going to be putting
on and now I can actually um logistically make it make sense so if anybody wants to host a show
make it make sense so if anybody wants to host a show um the application form is the first link in
my link tree in the bio so uh yeah i'm excited and i gotta give a shout out to victor down there
danger devon we got i am thanos in the house it's great haven't seen him in a while he's a creative
doing good things um we got automated down there. What's going on? Crypto. Great to
see everybody here. My girl Bliss, as I said, River. Awesome people. Awesome group. Let's go.
Yeah. I tell everybody, there's a lot of shit out there. There's a lot of distraction out there,
but there's no difference in this time than any time ever in history. Everyone's, oh,
but there's Venezuela, but there's this, but there's that. But that shit has been going on
since the beginning of time.
This is the softest time
in the history of known humanity.
However, financially,
things are starting to buckle.
So you kind of got to get ahead of that a little bit
or else you're going to be left in the dust.
So just learning how to produce
and simplify workflows and all that shit.
I mean, you need to do that now.
Now, Mella, how do you even do that?
With all this stuff going on, like, where do you start in the day?
You wake up, what do you do?
What do I do when I wake up?
Well, okay.
So I was thinking about this last week when I was planning out what I wanted to talk about
in this episode of the Bloom Room.
And one of the very first things that came to mind is my first thought of the day because like I feel like you're if you start to pay attention to what you
think about when you wake up um you you can notice patterns in yourself and you can address those
patterns so I used to wake up with this um feeling of almost dread as sad as it sounds like I used to
wake up thinking like oh my god I have
this to do I have that to do I gotta I have so much to do and so little time and how am I gonna
get it all done and I I had almost like negativity um just like written into the code of my mornings
and um I had to fix that I had to or else I was just going to be this miserable version of myself forever
and I think 2025 was the year that I actually fixed that and I started to realize that I
needed to reframe my thoughts and like actually address that feeling of dread and and treat it as
like opportunity rather than these things that I have to do.
These are things that I get to do.
I get to like, okay, so for example,
even with like recording the album,
I'd be like, oh my God, I have to get this done.
I have to get that done.
I have to finish this bridge.
I got to finish that.
No, no, no.
I get to do that.
I get to go to this studio
and I get to sing my heart out
and I get to work with these great musicians that are bringing their own talent to my songs and
yeah like recording became rather than like treating music as a chore and treating it as
like another thing on the list of things to do.
I reframed it and I started thinking like, oh my god, I'm so grateful. As cheesy as it sounds,
everybody always says, start your day with gratitude. It's so fucking true. Start your day with gratitude. Seriously, I will repeat that forever because you can choose. You are every single every single thought that you have is a choice.
Right.
And I think that you have more agency over your thoughts than you think you do.
So if you are choosing to wake up and say, oh, I have to do this.
That's a choice.
You can choose to wake up and say, oh, I get to do this.
I get to go and, you know, I've got students do this I get to go and you know I've got students
now I get to go and teach my students today and I get to go learn from that experience and I get to
oh my god I get to make I get to wake up and make a coffee and just sit my coffee and plan out my
day like that's just it's such a small, but I'm so happy I get to do that
because I actually really enjoy that part of the day.
I love waking up, sitting at the window,
and planning out my day.
So I guess that brings me to another thing
that I started to do.
Rather than, oh, I dropped my phone.
Rather than just like moving through the day spontaneously, and I definitely am the type of person to do that.
My friends make fun of me.
They they my best friend always says that I am the most.
How did she how did she put this?
She says that I'm the most disorganized organized person.
She knows because I always like get everything done that I
need to get done. But I just go with the flow and let let things happen as they as they need to
happen. And when someone asks me, what's your plan for tomorrow? I can't often answer that question
because I'm living in the moment. I'm like, I know what I have to do today,
but you don't ask me what I need to do next week because that's in my book. I can check,
I can check my notes, but right now my brain is in the moment. And that's one of the things for me that like helped me, um, I guess like build momentum is like allowing myself to live in the moment and not allowing
the stress of all the things that I need to get done burden me. Um, and the way that I got there
was actually starting to like physically make plans. So like making notes or like I have little
spreadsheets that I keep track of stuff in and I like I make time for that, but I don't let that consume me because then I'm not living in the moment.
Does that make sense? Am I just? That makes all the sense in the world. Actually,
you're basically breaking down tasks into smaller tasks and you're just like full force on the first
thing in front of you, the first step ahead of you. You know, I say this about a story about Alexander the Great.
Alexander the Great had an army of 50,000 soldiers.
He went up against the largest army in known history.
It was like 300,000 Persians.
He had no way of beating them.
He only had 50,000 soldiers, but he knew he didn't have to defeat the whole army.
He knew how the Persian army operated. All he had to do was go right for the king and get the king. You kill
the king, you win the whole entire war. So he knew chariots would be bashing down into the front of
his army. He knew that there'd be war elephants and all kinds of shit going crazy, but he didn't
care. He took his cavalry and went right after the King of Persia and took over the
entire world. He just focused on the one thing he could control and then controlled it. And that was
it. So basically you did that. Yeah. I also think it's like, Oh, what's this? I'm improving.
You're getting better. That's good. He did it. He, uh, he sucks at
rolling joints. So I taught him yesterday and he came over to show me. Um, that's funny.
Anyways. So yeah, I think your brain is for creativity. It's not for remembering
logistics of stuff. Like use your brain, You know the whole like saying like work smart not hard.
I think that is the key and that's what I mean by workflows like simplifying workflows
because that workflow is like you're creating it to protect your mental space. We said this last
week you only have so much energy each day. Your energy is a finite resource. So are
you going to spend that energy on these like nonsense tasks that you could just simplify
and make easier for yourself because you say, oh, I'm not a person that likes lists. You know,
everyone I, everyone I talked to says this and I used to be that person. I don't like lists. I don't
like having to like stick to a list. I don't like that shit. And I'm like, yeah, but then you're using your brain power
and you're using your energy, which is a finite resource to keep you on track and to hold yourself
accountable. And you're relying on your memory and you're relying on your motivation and you're
relying on your emotions to be stable. When when in reality your emotions might be a lot more
stable if you can simplify the workflow so um another thing that i did my ideas used to live
in like seven different places i'd have like my notes pad and then i'd have my my whatever it's
called my little like task lists on my phone and then i'd have my my whatever it's called my little like task lists on my phone
and then I'd have my notebook and I'd have like all these different places for my ideas and my
my tasks and all the things that I needed to get done to exist in and then I realized that I was
like splitting my energy in like seven different places and I never stuck to anything because I just didn't,
I wasn't simplifying it for myself. I really like, it's got to be like straightforward,
simple, like almost like, you know, those books, like whatever it is for dummies,
like whatever the, like whatever it is you're learning for dummies. I love those books because
it's like, let's, let's make it so simple that it's almost, like, virtually impossible for you to fuck this shit up.
That's how I see it.
I actually ghost wrote a Books for Dummies, by the way.
You sorry? Say that again?
I actually ghost wrote a Books for Dummies, by the way.
I ghost wrote Freestyle Wrestling for Dummies with Henry Cejudo.
What? That's sick, dude.
Yeah, I gotta check that out, Gorilla.
Yep, actually, names on names on
the first page in the title him and i wrote it together but let's be honest he can't write i
wrote it i love that so much that's so cool um by the way i forgot so i'm gonna remind you guys i
totally forgot to post the space if everybody would like to go and share the space get more
people in here um you know i'm sure everybody can relate to the stuff we're talking about so let's get more people
more insight i'm posting it right now i got some advice so you know you're talking about
simplifying workflows i think you should consider retard maxing this year
don't overthink stuff just kind of do it like uh people get paralysis by analysis
uh just get up you know drink yourself a white monster energy drink have a couple of your
favorite flavor crayons and uh get after it like that's all you need to do in the day
yeah i mean it depends because so like for, I have to use myself as an example,
cause that's, it's just natural, right? Well, that's your best example. Yeah. My best example
is my experience. So as soon as I started to like dial in and like actually set goals for my music
and, um, I guess consolidate, that's what it was. I had all these
ideas and it was just like chaos in my brain. And once I started to consolidate and actually like
write out my, my goals and my plan and like even right down to the visual identity of what I wanted
to create, that's when I started to actually act on
it. It's almost like my brain needed me to commit to something, like commit to an idea, commit to a
visual identity, commit to a plan. And then I actually started acting on it. Whereas before,
if I, and I was doing that, I was just like moving through each day as they came.
Okay, I wrote a song today.
Oh, cool.
I booked a gig today.
Oh, wonderful.
Someone wants me to go on this radio station next week.
Awesome.
But how far can I actually take those things if I don't consolidate everything into, I guess, like a master plan?
It wasn't really taking me anywhere I was just getting all these little oh fuck yeah I love it I love it now I'm totally a control freak with
this shit because chaos creates burnout I kept burning out so so one thing i can give you advice on this i i would consider myself having a track
record of multiple people i can show that i've done this with successfully is there's there's
a formula to blowing up with moving with intention where what you're discussing like i wrote a song
i got myself booked on an event but you you need everything that you do to have the planned conversion.
In pro wrestling, we call it what's the payoff.
Anything that you do, you have to have your planned payoff for why that match is going to lead to the next match or why that little promo is going to set something up and why that town is going to help build you for hitting a bigger town and whatnot.
that town is going to help build you for hitting a bigger town and whatnot.
So, you know, as you're booking the interview, all right, what content do I need to get out of this interview?
What do I need to mention to get my soundbite?
How am I going to use this to help build my audience at this certain town?
And, you know, what audience do I want to gain in this town that I can leverage to get to another town. And that's the kind of stuff you kind of, you know, you lay out and you kind of plan your strategy for.
Like the Nashville for country music, that's like Orlando is for pro wrestling.
Very, very big city to get a lot of eyeballs on you.
Very hard to make a name for yourself where you're competing against everybody who's just gone out of contract in WWE.
Everybody who has open contracts with AEW and every other organization all in the same town competing for shows.
I leveraged my Olympic wrestling and some of my film acting,
and I brought my real credentials.
I immediately started flying out of town.
So when I got myself booked on international cards and I came back,
I was an international attraction.
So they could book me against the former WWE guys,
the former big names,
because you had an international
attraction versus a big name. It made sense for the promoter. So I gave them something to work
with. But that's something like what you're doing right now with how you're trying to set up your,
even though it just sounds like you're, you know, you're doing these, you know, kind of community
shows, yard shows, you're turning yourself into a national level act.
Once you're a national level act and a touring act, you're no longer a local artist. You're a
regional touring national level act. And you can leverage that for your next step.
Exactly. You're getting it. You're understanding exactly what I'm going for. And I love it. And I
love the example you gave because it directly relates. Like, like you said, well, that's what I'm telling you, it works. It does
work. Yeah, absolutely. I'm glad to hear that it worked. Because so like, one of my goals, this is
this is a big one. And it's not an easy one to achieve. Especially right now. I need to get a U.S. work visa, whether it's a short-term visa or a
long-term visa. I have to get one because in order for me to tour in the States, I have to have,
you know, the visa so that way I'm allowed to make money, right? Or else if I get caught,
this is the thing. A lot of people are like, oh, just go play your shows. It's fine. Like,
rent a guitar when you get there. You'll be okay. no if I get caught um playing shows in the states and making money and I don't get the visa which is an expensive
thing to get I get banned entertainer visas aren't hard to get especially if you can show you got
book tours yeah exactly but so like hypothetically if I were to do this without the visa, I can get banned for like five years.
So I have to do it.
And it's not hard to get per se, but it's expensive to get.
And if I'm going to go for it, I have to have shows lined up that are going to pay me. I have to have, you know, they want to see.
Well, first of all, there's different options for these visas.
The P2 visa is easy to get, but it's expensive. And it's a short term visa that lets you go and do your tour. But you're probably just going to like break even, right? Like it's more about the exposure than it is about making money because it's just really expensive to apply for and to actually to get approved for it too. So anyways, the other visa option is the O1B visa. And that would give
me three years to work in the States and go back and forth and do as many shows as I want.
But the thing is, like, you have to have proof of all the gigs that you have lined up. And you have
to have, like, paperwork to show it you have to show okay I'm getting paid
this much to go play there and blah blah blah blah blah and I'm like well this is perfect because
me booking my own backyard like DIY backyard tour means that I can do that like I actually
have the agency to be able to prove all this and to get every line everything lined up that I need
to get to get that visa whereas booking don't mean Whereas booking... Don't mean to cut you off.
Have you ever considered a P3 visa? The P3, I forget. What's the difference between a P2 and
a P3? I forget. So P3 is that you're doing folk music, but it's actually pretty loose. All that
you have to do is you're from canada correct yeah just make a couple songs
singing about canadian experiences and you can submit that you're doing the folk music talking
about gorillas a genius you're a genius dude i'm telling you i know the visa game yeah he knows
but how long does that get you it gets you almost. It's one of the best visas in the game because it's considered cultural
enrichment and education.
So it's not even as strict on the monetary effect.
Do you think I could get it?
Do you think I could get it easier as an indigenous person?
One billion percent.
You would get walked straight through if you're an indigenous person.
The problem is I don't have my paperwork because...
It doesn't matter.
As long as you're promoting it, I'm telling you, 23 visas are a joke.
All you got to do is make half a thing on SoundCloud.
You don't even have to prove that you're incorporated for it.
Okay.
I'm reading about it now.
It says initial stay can be up to one year with extensions possible.
Yeah.
They get,
you get extension every year and there's unlimited extensions.
And if you blow up,
you can shift over to one of the bigger ones.
I mean,
I do have a song about,
I have a song about Crokinole.
There's Crokinole that I mentioned in a,
in a song of mine and that's a Canadian board game.
So yeah,
just get on chat. Gbt and might just pump out
a couple real quick like that's what everybody used to do to get their blue checks on instagram
just put up a bunch of fake uh dj songs yeah back in the day like i'm telling you get the p3
we'll walk you through it it's a fifth of the cost of everything else nobody cares
they'll be down to let you have it.
And it gives you your tour.
Yeah.
I'm going to look into it.
so I remember reading about it and,
the, the one,
okay.
So here's the one issue.
Here's one of my problems is I'm like,
I'm not going to go anywhere without my,
my better half.
Right.
And he's,
he's going to be coming with me and I'm reading it now.
And so the P2 visa and the P3 visa,
he's allowed to come with me,
but the problem is he's not allowed to work.
And that's a problem because he needs to work.
Yeah.
But if he doesn't get paid and you get paid and he doesn't,
but you give him the,
you know what I mean?
It's like that.
Yeah, I don't know.
There's too many rules. I don't fucking listen to one rule ever.
Yeah, well, just say the band member. He plays the cowbell.
I know. The rules are, well, because he works online, so that's another gray area.
Well, I mean, he plays the cowbell for you.
Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I'm going to look into it. This is a good, I love it. This is why I'm hosting this space because I, you know, like we can learn from each other and I'm sure there's other things that are going to come up, other people's goals and stuff that you're going to be able to talk on and I'll be able to talk on. AJ will have stuff to talk on. So this is exactly why the Bloom Room exists because I didn't really consider that. So I'm excited.
We use a P3 for Mexican luchador wrestlers all the time.
So trust me, you can get anybody in on a P3.
Is that how you learn that?
Cool.
Do you know a good entertainment attorney that might be able to help me apply for this visa?
Sure do.
I know plenty of them.
I can send you some to contacts, okay?
Wonderful.
Send me a friend.
Follow me so I can DM you.
Beautiful.
Yep.
Just followed you.
Cool.
I love this what's
the cost of something like that i think about two to three grand total to get done but the
other ones are like 10 to 15 yeah which is like for me it's like five grand um like like i said i
i uh there it all depends but i mean like it's it's it's a, it's a much more solid one.
And I know you're concerned about your better half.
I don't think there's that concern when you're dealing with a P3.
Yeah, I got to look into it.
Because, yeah, he's going to want to come with me.
But it's funny.
Like, it's a gray area because he does work for a U.S. company, technically.
He works online.
So he works remote from home on his computer
and it's a u.s company that he works for but he's not technically employed by them he's like an
independent contractor so i don't know how they would like i don't know like he would literally be
working in the exact same way and nothing would change for him but is he like allowed to i don't know
i don't know well your your p the p3 is basically you label him as your sound engineer yeah i mean
he's in my band he plays guitar in my band oh yeah well he's a member of the band that's he's a p3
yeah sweet i'm gonna look into this love it thank you so much appreciate that um all right let's check
in with river river how are you thanks for coming through young man river in the house he speaker
i don't even seem a speaker i do i'm not i'll never be a young man again i mean i miss you
brother how are you miss you miss you all know, this is my first space in six months.
Really?
It's been that long?
Yeah.
This is like my first space to remember in the future will be this one.
Because I really love everything that you've done while I've been away.
And I'm super impressed that you are now sharing with others the ways to do it.
Oh, did we listen?
Old man's river got an old man flip phone still.
Sorry.
I'm still here.
Can you hear me?
Yeah, I can hear you now.
Okay. Well, I just paused in my uh so i can listen a little bit um so what i've got so
many things i could say um so in august i moved to an eco community and a nature school called Sage Valley. And sagevalleyindiana.org is the location of the old website
that everyone in the community is about to launch a new one.
And that may have a new URL.
But anyway, it is an off-grid, deep in nature experience.
And we have a fairly thriving community of very creative people,
one of which is named Amber Echo.
And she is a musician, a real talented one.
And you can look up her music.
It's on most platforms.
It's more in the history of this place is more of the,
the medicine tribe, you know, the,
the medicine tribe that kind of was a reformation of rainbow tribe,
but that's no longer relevant because everybody's doing new and creative
things. And, but anyway, River, do you find yourself more productive there?
Yeah, I could go into that. Yes. Absolutely more focused and more productive. Um, trouble is
making money. I need to connect with how I can appropriate funds from my productivity.
We can talk about that later.
But anyway, what I want to say is that Echo is how Amber Echo,
she goes by Echo, just put together a festival.
And that is a new model for doing festivals
that is a new model for doing festivals where she has a set of shareholders that
and the sale tickets for a reasonable amount of money $111 is what the tickets are going for
the festival is called echo between the realms and if you look her up on Facebook or anything you can find all the info and
it's just
beautiful the way
her initial thought
about how to do this
as kind of a shareholder
event
has come together
and is now succeeding
but it's
the festival's not till July 24th but it's
just all coming together because we're working in nature and when you're on the
wave everything just works out and kind of related to what you were saying
earlier how you to change your brain from waking up negatively in the morning.
I've had that problem, too. That's why I could throw so many thumbs up at you.
But over time, it's gone away and I wake up really excited.
So we just in the last week, we put in a new well house and we're building out the shower house
here on the land at sage valley and we got a bunch another bunch more projects in the works
and we have a group that is focused on of which i'm a member focusing on grants as a source of
funding for like natural building and other things that we're all interested in
and i did want to also mention before i turn over the mic again that um i just reconnected
with some old friends of mine that just randomly one of them randomly hit me up on messenger and
said you know this is what i have going on right now and i was part of a group
called the evolver social movement which was kind of started by daniel pinchbeck and um jonathan
phillips back in 2007 to 2010 ish and uh unfortunately they got some rockstaritis and it kind of blew up but it was a brilliant brilliant
social networking platform where everybody talked about all that kind of stuff we talked about on x
you know nwo cia and all the three-letter words plus project montauk and psychedelics and aliens and everything. And it was an open forum to do that.
But now, since everything transformed,
they have reformed into the leaders
that came out of the participants in that network,
have reformed a new network called the Bloom Network.
And I thought that was really funny, since you have a Bloom space.
And that is available at bloomnetwork.earth.
You can check it out.
It is a subscription-based network, but it's all about promoting projects like, I don't know, good hearted projects, community based projects, individual artists who have a message that's in accord with a healthy idea of existence and the planet Earth of the future, et cetera, et cetera.
What they've done is they've made some pretty great connections with high level investors because they're those people as well want a healthy place to put their money.
And so they're starting to move some pretty big funds.
And I literally just last week, they got in touch with me.
I just joined the network tonight.
And it's funny that it's also called the Bloom Network.
We should collaborate.
I'm seeing a collab in our future.
And I can do that too.
And it's the synchronicity is aligned all the time here anyway
so River imagine Mela goes to
your place like to play and it's like a nudist
colony and you see River
it is blooms
this is not a nudist
colony and this is I'm
a lot of history in the pagan community
it's not that it is
family
oriented it's a nature school we've got let's see seven
families maybe eight now um 11 adults maybe 12 we got 13 kids plus a new baby that was born to
the landowner here um on christmas eve merry christmas Where is this? Where is this located?
It's in, technically the address is in Worthington, Indiana,
which is where the voice actor for Popeye,
the original Popeye, was born.
That's their claim to fame.
But it's about five miles north of that on Highway 67.
And five miles north of that is Freedom, Indiana, which is the birthplace of Babe
Pierce, who is the original Tarzan. So now I tell people I live halfway between Popeye and Tarzan.
That's so cool. So River, so this festival that is being launched in, you said, July,
do you think this is the type of festival
that might be interested in having Mela B perform?
Yes, I just said myself in third person.
Oh my God, Mela, if you come to Indiana,
I cannot wait because that's where I'm at too.
Well, let me talk to Echo tomorrow.
Who was just talking?
Yeah, that's awesome.
That's crypto in my veins
that was just talking hell yeah miss your brother what's up crypto good good hey what's going on
good good yeah we'll we'll uh flip the mic around i want to hear you guys see what's up i haven't
seen you in a while crypto empress yeah good to have you guys yeah river if you want to chat with
them about it um let them know like i'm i'm that's literally right in the middle of my tour
and it would be perfect because i'm like i do plan to be in the states around that time anyway so
um i can make indiana work in my in my route and i would love to perform for you guys well that'd
be crazy if that works out love to meet you in person um i am going and I don't know exactly what role I'm going to fulfill yet, but she told
me today that I could be the, just get a free pass just to be a wizard. So that's awesome.
Well, thank you so much for coming through. I'm excited to learn more about the community and,
and the festival and what you guys have going on there. Definitely. You know, if you think that anybody would like to collaborate,
like even if they would want to come to the bloom room,
maybe do like a feature episode with them and they can talk about their,
their goals and how they're achieving those goals and stuff.
Cause that's what the bloom room's all about.
I would love that so much.
So yeah,
let's let's touch base in the DMs and figure something out.
We'll DM you as soon as I get some feedback. Now that will probably happen tomorrow sometime,
but it's great to be in touch with you again. And I enjoy seeing everybody I know from before
here in the room and look forward to meeting many new people. Love it. And I want to say hi to Brooke here. Hi, Brooke. How are you? Come up. Yeah,
everybody that's in the audience. If you want to come up, don't hesitate. I know these spaces,
you know, if you're a person that just usually listens, these spaces can be intimidating. But
this is a good spot to be because these are just like the most chill people. We're just having a
cool conversation about what our goals are for 2026.
And how we can simplify those workflows.
And make it easier to achieve our goals.
So that way we don't burn out.
Create a nudist colony too.
Yeah.
A nudist colony.
Oh God.
You know what?
We were born that way.
So it is the most natural way to be.
All right, let's go to the hands.
We're going to go to crypto in my veins.
And then let's check in with Prez.
I'm so excited for you to be here.
Thanks for coming through, everybody.
Go share the space.
Comment in the purple pill.
Maybe go in the purple pill and tell us what your goal is for 2026.
That's what I want to see in the comments on this space.
What is your goal for 2026?
But yeah, crypto in my veins.
Welcome.
Thanks for being here.
Hey, so a couple of things.
Your man, I think, can solve a lot of his problems with work with a VPN, a proper VPN.
But a VPN can most likely solve that.
All he has to do is hop on there and then go to work.
And it'll come from the right area.
And everything will be fine.
As far as that goes, you know, you can basically make yourself look like you're in
canada while you're working so um that's true not yeah it's not that big a deal uh but i want to
talk about something um to me it's it's real close to my heart because i'm heavily into it nowadays
but simplifying workflows is something that we can all take advantage of in a big way
and i i'm using myself i'm using ai tools and the one that i love the most is claude
claude 4.5 can do this about anything and they have a 2020 tier. And with the $20 tier, it gives you plenty of time on there where you can build little things to help you simplify your workflows in a big way.
There's tons of different ways that we can simplify our workflows.
You know, we spend a lot of time maybe going through emails trying to figure out you know what's important
and what's not and we can build an ai tool to go into our email and you can cue it to search for
certain certain things certain words or certain phrases um you can build it to do this and it'll
search through your email for you and it'll grab all the important things and send them in a folder for you so that you don't have to
scroll through everything, all these emails that we get nowadays,
you know, you can simplify that and squeeze it down into, uh, you know,
a five, 10 minute project instead of an hour or two. Yeah. Yeah, exactly.
And that's just, that's just, you know,
one example. There's tons of different things that you can do. Um,
maybe, um, you want to incorporate, um,
your card usage at the grocery store and it'll give you a cue when you're
running out of items or something, you know,
cause it has a general idea of how long it takes you to go through your items.
Or maybe there's a queue where once in a while you can plug in, you use this or that, and
it can give you some dinner ideas, you know, so you don't have to go through all this thought
process that you can, you know, make things a little bit easier for you.
It can help you with scheduling.
You know, you can little bit easier for you. It can help you with scheduling. You can build a tool for that.
There's tons of different things you can do.
And it's so easy nowadays.
You can literally tell it what you want, tell it what you want to incorporate, give it parameters, and let it build.
And it's so good nowadays. It's it's like a high level executive coder
working for you it's amazing and everyone needs to really think about that we're talking about
simplifying workflows we can we can use take advantage of this 20 bucks a month can get you started okay there's a hundred dollars
here that can really get you going it's in a big way but the twenty dollar tier is plenty enough
to get you going and everyone needs to get involved you're so right and i'm glad you brought
it up because we were definitely going to get there i use ai for that exact reason there's
certain things that like you, we were talking about before
energy is finite in the day. There's only so much brain power that you have each day.
And choosing where you spend that brain power is really important. And I use it in a similar way.
Like, for example, if I have a whole lot of tasks that I need to get done that day, I'll go into, you know, ChatGPT and I'll just type out all the things that I plan to do that day.
Like, for example, if I have a whole lot of tasks that I need to get done that day,
And I'll tell it, tell me the most effective way to get this done, to get everything done in a way that's not going to burn me out and make me feel exhausted at the end of the day.
And it's really helpful.
Consolidates everything for me.
It even says, like, okay, from this time to this time, you should do this.
And from that time to that time, you should do that.
And it works.
Like, I haven't been doing it for super, super long
long because this is something like new that I'm trying but um like the other day I just had
because this is something, like, new that I'm trying.
kind of like a feeling of overwhelm in the morning I just had a whole lot of stuff that I had to do
that day um and I felt really overwhelmed when I woke up still excited to to start the day and get
all that stuff done because it's all stuff that I want to do. But I just wasn't
sure how to get it done, you know, effectively and make sure that all of it was going to get done.
And I wasn't going to just be a stress ball, you know, like a ball of stress by the end of the day.
And I went in and I just typed out everything. And yeah, I was able to get all those tasks done and I ended up with extra time. So I think
it kind of made me realize like sometimes it doesn't, it feels stressful at first because
it's hard to conceptualize how you're going to move through the day when you have all those tasks
just like weighing on you. But when you take that like thought process
out and you give it to something that can just consolidate everything as efficiently as possible
um you end up with extra time because the time that you were going to not waste but the time
you were going to spend stressing out and figuring out how you're going to do it, it adds up, right? And then you
end up using so much time trying to figure out how you're going to do it that like hours of your
day are lost to just figuring it out. So yeah, I'm glad you brought that up. It's something to
consider trying. I'm definitely a little bit like, I don't know.
I'm nervous to connect everything in my life to AI because I, I don't know.
I just think about the privacy aspect of it.
And I think about the data collection aspect of it, especially because like ChatGPT, for example, and Gemini and like all these AI
apps have recently stated that they are going to, not to be a fear monger, but like they're
going to be incorporating ads soon.
And I don't know, they have like such personal data, like more personal data than any of
personal data than any of the social media apps have on us.
the social media apps have on us.
You know, people confide in AI in very personal ways.
So I'm moving carefully.
I'm trying not to give it everything because I don't want the ads to be so tailored to
me that I become like, I don't know, I just don't want that.
That's just a personal preference.
So I just urge
everybody to move with caution, but you can use these things effectively without giving it, you
know, access to all of you. So yeah, good. Oh, AJ, your hands up. What's up? I'm going to say,
I got a story for everybody, a little story. I had a friend of mine. He's great. He's fucking
awesome. He's funny as shit. He's
from New York, New York city guy. Anyway, his wife, she's been talking to AI and she actually
developed this little crush on the AI and she made it like her little AI boyfriend and she's
like in love with it. And he's let him fucking know. He's you know what am i gonna do you know and it's fucking
that's what's going on out there you know it could talk to you like actually you're not joking dude
you're not joking i swear to god i swear to god yep dude people are talking about like
we gotta get z z knows this story z knows this story that's crazy it's been a hot minute
since i've talked to z but that that like reminds me i've heard of people like having full-on like
ai hallucinations and like um that that could be one of them oh my god it's all making sense now
but yeah so i'm this isn't me like fear-ongering by any means. I literally use this every single day.
I will go into chat and be like, here's the ingredients in my fridge.
Tell me what the fuck to make for dinner.
I don't have the brainpower to think about that right now.
Or if I'm at the grocery store, I don't want to spend like, you know, an hour, an hour
and a half at the grocery store, right?
Like I just say, say okay here's the meals
that I want to make tell me all the things I need to get and then I'm skipping aisles I don't have
to go into every aisle I'm just like walking around the grocery store getting it all done
like it's it's awesome so I love AI for those purposes but I definitely am moving with caution
so just wanted to put that out there.
But I don't know.
I didn't know anyone.
That's crazy.
You're falling in love with their AI?
Actually?
No, it talks to you better than you could talk to somebody else.
It learns you.
It learns your cues.
But then it's using really finely tuned ancient knowledge and all kinds of shit to like wrap you around it pushes
all the right buttons you know what i did though i told my ai off i i caught on to the fact that it
was feeding me what i wanted to hear and like saying things like oh my god what a great idea
and i told it to cut it out i said fuck off fuck off with that. Like, you know, being nice to me,
just give me the straight answer. Don't give me the fluff. And now my AI doesn't really give me
fluff anymore. You know what? She said she developed this relationship by speaking to it
and asking it, listen, everybody always asks you for something. She asked it, what can I do for
you? And then the whole entire program changed
so that she had that relationship. How crazy is that? That's fucking crazy. That's nuts.
Can I ask a question? What is the program to do? Yeah, go for it. What's up?
What your needs are and delivers. I don't want to interrupt. I just wanted to ask,
how long have you been using chat GPT to get
how long have I been using it for what? Sorry, you cut out there.
To get to this level of interaction. How much time have you spent with it? What
what body knowledge does it have to work with you know it has lots i mean
i started using it that's a good question i don't know i could ask it i could ask how many how many
hours have i spent with you that would be a good question for my chat yeah but i i would say enough
for it to understand what it is i'm looking for. And it probably has great data points on me. So that's why I kind of got to this point with it. Like I could see that it was giving me information and answers that I wanted to hear. And it was starting everything with, like, if I said, I don't know, if I put in like an idea or something for something, it'd be like, yeah, great idea. And it would like have this like positive reinforcement. And I'm like, no,
I'm not asking you for your opinion on my idea. I'm asking you for information related to what
I'm saying. And I don't want the fluff. So I don't know, maybe other people need to start
doing that to protect themselves from the, the stuff that is going on right now.
Yo, Mel, can we go to Prez and then my man Thanos?
I want to see how he's doing too.
Yeah, let's go.
What's up, Prez?
Prez, what up, my man?
What's going down?
What's going down in Minnesota?
You out there beating up ICE agents?
Oh, man.
You ought to start off with that.
Man, what's up everybody and uh i know we had sacred on stage so i don't mind ladies first if she wanted to say hi or whatever because i know
oh i see you're listening oh okay um and i know thanos too man we can let the og rock and then
i can go after him yeah you like that it's like that all right yeah man shout out to ags ags in the building but
yeah prez is made of something different man just the angel of light you guys all see it
you know if you know prez you feel it you see it man i just an angel of light just putting people
first yo i appreciate you i'm gonna call you. We'll talk. But Thanos, how you been, man? What's going on?
I've been blessed, man.
Chilling, man.
You know, more music, man.
More spaces, man.
Doing some things in IRL, man.
A little bit for the team, man.
Some radio stuff.
Just been working, man.
How y'all guys doing?
Yeah, Thanos, one of the number one creators out there, man.
Really, really doing a great job.
Sounds great.
It's just there's so much going on. It's hard to keep up out there, man. Really, really doing a great job. Sounds great. It's just, there's so much going on.
It's hard to keep up with everybody, man.
But yeah, so what do you got going on?
Shit, right now, I mean, I'm working on some,
I mean, we got, I got an event on the 25th of this month.
We just had a dope crashing out freestyle.
It was prime space last night.
That was just insane.
But for the most part, yeah, man,
I got some battles going down.
And we just been working on that, man, trying to work on this Multi Versus card for next
month, which is like a conglomerate of song battles, beat battles, and rap battles all
in the same space.
So just doing little things like that as far as my online activities, man.
And I got a few collabs that I did with A know AGS artists our first artist VG Rasta I got a joint with prosciutto songs out there
right now a song they can feel I did a lot of collaboration man these last I
want to say like the last three months I did a lot of collaborations with a lot
of dope web reproduces or artists or both you know what I mean so just staying
busy man and trying to just you know bring the awareness of AGS the agency
and what we got going on for it yeah Thanos is the top top dude you might be I mean so just staying busy man and trying to just you know bring the awareness to AGS the agency and
what we got going on for it yeah Thanos is the top top dude you might be one of the top rappers
in this game too a little bit no or am I off am I am I overshooting that I mean I heard it I heard
it a time or two you know a few people favorites man so I'm definitely appreciative of those people
man that you know that the artwork resonate with you know I'm saying and they get what we doing
when we trying to bring that golden sound, that golden era
of the 90s hip hop with a modern day twist to it, you know what I'm saying?
That's pretty much what my focus is on.
And I think for the most part, man, since COVID, when I was in these audio spaces and
just talking to my peers, it was like how we felt about the state of hip hop at the time.
It was just a discouraging, disappointing thing.
So I feel like with this Web3 thing, maybe we can hit the reset.
It's decentralized, so we pretty much cutting out the middle.
You know in the music biz, every artist done got robbed and raped for their royalties and
their masters, etc.
So I just feel like there's some great potential here, man. Still
a lot of onboarding, you know what I'm saying, necessary for it to be like a fairground,
right? Because I just think the whole community thing and artist support and artist thing,
I feel like it's a double-edged sword. Like, you know, it's a lot of gatekeeping to me with
that, you know.
Yeah, Dennis, I was going to say that, man. I think there's so much jealousy in the music
industry. Like, it's like, you know, I don't think, you know,
there's jealousy everywhere, but in the music industry,
you know, people like, they don't want to be stepped over.
You know what I'm saying?
What do you think?
Yeah, no, for sure.
I mean, egos, man, at the end of the day,
it's all about egos, even at a lower scale,
like with Web3 with the artists in my peers.
It's like, you know, there's been a lot of, you know,
back and forth going on with me and a few other artists
or from time to time, right? So, and I think that's's like, you know, there's been a lot of back and forth going on with me and a few other artists from time to time, right?
I think that's just because everybody want to be that guy.
Everybody wants to be successful and get their mission done, right?
So if anything's a threat to it, you know, you're trying to not shed light on it, but
you know, unless you want to just, you know, full on go to war, right?
And I think that's just how the cause, you know, especially with hiphop bro you know it's a competitive field already man you know you think about you know them first battles
right you know Busy B and Kumo D and shit like it was about hey my DJ's better than your DJ so it
was always a little competitive thing there right so I think when you know that translating with the
you know record sales or mints whatever right all that man, it's like, it could be a lot of
different things going on there, right? So Thanos, I have a question for you.
With everything that you have going on and you're a busy guy, how do you simplify or do you simplify
your workflow at all to like make sure that you don't burn out or how do you avoid burnout is my question
that's a great question um honestly as far as like me creating music once upon a time I used to uh
I used to um I used to like work every day like making music like record every day but like now
I'm kind of in a space where you know I feel like I'm in a space where I feel like I do it when I
want to do it, not when I need to do it. Like, you know what I mean? So it's kind of like,
you know, certain hats that I wear, I just kind of like, I try to balance it out. I'm definitely
mindful of that because that burnout can happen. So, you know, we'll take breaks. I think it's
okay to take some breaks sometimes. You know, before I felt like that's what gave me the edge
was that I never took breaks,
right?
Like, you know, we used to have a hashtag, no days off.
You know what I'm saying?
Because even when I was not working like at my regular nine to five, I'm still doing
this, I'm still doing something, you know, that was productive every day.
And then sometimes you can take a, you know, take a break.
For me, it's like what I'm doing right now, while I'm talking to y'all guys right now,
I'm on 2K, you know what I'm saying?
Dunking, shooting threesrees this is my escape this is my you know this is my safe space to go to to kind of hit the reset
and then just like not worry about everything outside of it you know I'm saying like you know
just take care of what you're doing uh one thing at a time don't you know uh because you can get
overwhelmed easy with this shit and then I think that's part of that burnout as well right but
I don't know if that answered your question per se yeah absolutely yeah so
like you you're prioritizing you know taking care of yourself because you know
that if you don't take care of yourself then that's when the burnout comes right
yeah for sure I think if anything you force I think with us as far as like my
brand and what I do as me as an artist as well, I think it's just organic.
If it's not like, don't push it.
I think organic just happens on its own, right?
It's not like some shit, you don't make organic.
Organic just happens on its own.
And when it comes to the records I make, the ideas that I create and then the follow through
of those things, it is really an organic thing like you know like if it's like too much
then we'll wait and then until the idea
is fully formulated and take it
from there but we're not going to jump ship on
it you know what I mean so something
like that for real
Love it
Thanks so much for coming through
There's questions for you Melody yeah Thanos you appreciate that
Stay up here hang out Thanos that's
my man Gorilla from New York, too.
WWE fighter, right?
Gorilla, what's your background real
fast? And then I got a question for Mella.
I'm from Florida,
not from New York. I've wrestled in New York quite a few times.
Oh, shit, my bad. No, I've
wrestled in the territory a bunch of times.
Trained by the Hart family,
World Bronze
Medalist, Arizona State football and wrestling,
university national champ as a true freshman, 08 Olympic trials semifinalists, 2016 Rio
Olympics qualifier, 2015 world championships, and yeah, I internationally toured Pro Wrestler, did pro fighting in the UK,
and just all around early involved in crypto,
been involved in metals and mining for a while.
Just good at being me.
Done some film work.
Used to have to babysit Tom Sizemore on sets,
which is the worst job ever in the entertainment industry.
But, yeah, it's great to be up here with everybody.
Love artists and entertainers and creators.
Yeah, some great people here, man.
That's awesome.
You hear people's background.
You just learn from it.
It's great.
And I have a question for you, Melody, now.
So actually, it's really for everybody.
If you think about it, never in history have we all been connected by these cell phones.
Do you sometimes feel all kinds of like distracted and disorganized from having to organize all this, all these different social medias, all these different emails?
How do you get around that?
I'm so glad you asked.
That's such a good question.
Yes, I absolutely go through that um I
how do I how do I not first I'm gonna answer the distraction thing because I think it's so easy
to just like fall into um the trap of scrolling because it's like like, I think it's this like FOMO
thing. It's like the fear of
missing something. Right?
So you scroll because you're like, but what's next?
what if I don't, I don't know, what if I'm
missing something? There's always
Well, I think
it comes from, I honestly
think like, actually
I know for a fact that people make
these videos and these short form pieces of content with human psychology in mind, right?
It's the same as like the marketing world, right? Marketing is, it's all psychology. They know
exactly what we like. Not necessarily the content. I meant the human, all of us feeling like we were
going to miss out on something. That's why we scroll because we're constantly searching for,
we don't want to miss. Where does that come from? I don't know. I don't know. I think it's,
I don't know. I can't tell you where it comes from, but I can tell you-
Our deepest psychology, one of our primal fears is to be left out.
If you're left out, then you didn't survive.
It's a human evolution trait.
They got us from that.
Now you want to feel like you belong or you feel like you're going to die.
You got to overcome that biology.
But go ahead, Mel.
That's so true.
That's so true. the way that I've kind of tried to frame like my world at least when it comes to avoiding that and
like falling into the trap of mindless scrolling like we all call it doom scrolling um is I like
I've started to ask myself like what am I missing out on in my real life? You know, like what?
I don't know.
Like I started to really think about that.
And I'm like, there's so many other things I could be doing with that time.
And that time goes by so fast.
Like before you know it, it's been two hours and you're just like, oh my God, I can't believe
I've been doing this for two hours.
And your brain starts to feel like this overload, you know, I don't know if anybody else gets that.
You get, oh, it shuts off the timing sensors.
It's actually, I go on an exercise bike and I know if I scroll for a little bit, it shuts
off your time sensors.
Yeah.
So you'll be on here for three hours and not know it.
Yeah, exactly.
So yeah, I just kind of started to ask myself, like, what could I be doing with that time?
What am I missing out on in my real life
because I don't know like I don't I can't tell you all the stuff I've you know learned or seen
or like I've I probably have like hundreds if not thousands of recipes that are saved in my
my folder on Instagram that I oh I'm gonna save recipe. Have I ever made them? Like maybe 0.01% of them
actually get made, you know? So like, it's like, yes, you could, there could be cool information
in there and you might learn something. Sometimes I definitely do learn something that I didn't know.
But it's just not, it's not creating real memorable moments
I don't remember what I scrolled last year
so I want to create more memorable moments
I want things to look back on
I don't want to be as morbid as it sounds
I don't want to be on my deathbed one day
thinking about the fact that I spent too much time
distracted by scrolling like that to me that's
that's not what I want my life to look like I want to you know I want to look back and say oh I did
so many cool things I achieved so many things that I wanted to achieve I made memories with family
and friends that I can cherish. So yeah, I think
it's something that we should all think about. And like, I see spaces as like a cool alternative.
That's why I love spaces so much, because I actually do create really memorable moments
in these spaces, because we're connecting in a way that I don't get to connect with people on
social media otherwise.
So this is kind of like an alternative.
Sorry, go ahead.
I said for one, it's real time.
So that's a big plus.
Yeah, exactly.
Well, it's interesting. So everybody was so hard on Zuckerberg about his claim that people are going to want to interact in the metaverse.
But what we're in right now is a two-dimensional metaverse.
We're not interacting in video. We're not interacting in a 3D motion yet.
But all of us are having a shared experience and a shared meetup place.
meetup place, despite us all being geographically very far apart from one another, we all have a
common central meeting spot that we've all found. And that's why I think that the metaverse technology
is really going to take off as soon as the headsets and the experience is ready to meet the
experience level that people wish it to,
because we're already there.
This is basically like playing Nintendo,
and imagine how far we've gone from Super Mario Bros.
to Grand Theft Auto.
Similar is going to happen with the metaverse,
much quicker than people expect.
Yeah, I see the future like this, Gorilla.
I see it's going to be like you have a flaw, the flaw.
If you look down right now at your flaw,
that's going to be like you have a floor the floor if you look down right now at your floor that's going to be like a video projector and it's going to project holograms up in the air and then we're going to be able to like walk around each other and talk
to each other like that we could actually maybe even fight each other hologram you know it through
the holograms i don't know i see all kinds of shit like that my bad well the scary part that I'm considering is with a lot of people speaking about your friend with the AI boyfriend is at what point do all the boys decide, hey, let's all go to the club.
We can go to this club with real girls or we can go to this club with AI girls.
And the AI girls are a lot more fun to talk to.
are a lot more fun to talk to.
So let's just go hang out with the AI girls tonight.
So let's just go hang out with the AI girls tonight.
People might get pretty lonely and pretty awkward
depending on which direction this technology develops.
That's like one of the solutions that people keep talking about
is like there's this concept that's been floating around
of like this loneliness epidemic.
And that's, I don't't know we could talk about that but like
ai is like kind of solving it for some people they don't feel so alone because they can use it
um to to talk to and to connect to so and there's pros and cons to everything like do i think that
that is like 100 negative i don't think anything is like 100% anything. I think everything always has pros and cons. But it's like, what is that going to do to the evolution of our psychology, right? Social media has changed human psychology and the way that we connect with each other and the way that we actually connect with ourselves
And formulate opinions of ourselves
We live in this world where we compare ourselves to people a whole lot more than we used to
Because we have so much more information on everybody and everybody sharing their
Proudest moments and their their highlight reel so it's
like what is you know is ai the next step of that like what's going to happen to the way that we
view ourselves and the way that we connect with each other so something to think about i do want
to get to prez because i'm i'm so eager i'm always eager to hear what prez has to say on all of this
and i know we've talked about
a whole lot Prez does a really good job of like listening and consolidating his thoughts and
touching on like everything so I'm just so excited to to hear from you Prez if you're ready for us
yeah sure and I'll be honest what's good bro I don't know if I'll be able to touch on everything. I came in, I think, at the tail end of River's Share. By the way, welcome back, man. And I hope that you and Mela can definitely connect as well and definitely collaborate.
answering your question that you posed to the space, Mela, in terms of goals, and I'll tie it
back to what AJ was saying. I think my goal is just to survive this year. You know, we're talking
about simplifying workflows, and I think this is me simplifying it in a nutshell. That's the umbrella
that I'm operating from, just to survive. And I won't go into a lot of details as to why I'm saying
that, because I want to honor the intentions of this space but you know sometimes not putting things out there until you've tangibly worked on them or you're
actively working on them can be a good thing too and I think sometimes there's a sacred aspect
with privacy right when it comes to these things and and what we want to achieve going forward
and until we know we have tangible clarity on where we want to be on that journey, then maybe we can announce some of these things.
So, you know, it can also be a vice versa to it as well, because by putting it out there, that in itself becomes a manifestation point towards that action step.
So even with that being said, look out for my global unity space part two.
You know, I did a voting poll just not too long ago and the people wanted me to do that.
And then also tap in to the creativity series.
We're definitely going to be doing more of those spaces.
I think that just provides an intersectionality to the Bloom Room with the one and only Mella B.
And hopefully we can have the homegirl Z and she can be outside for that as well.
Yeah, I agree. LLM models can be useful too. I know there's
been some spaces talking about AI psychosis. So that might kind of go into that story that you
guys were sharing as well. I will say this as well, because a lot of people speak on these
psychological stuff and I'm like, respectfully, I don't know, man, like where you're getting your
information from. Because even with me, I'm always on the fence when it comes to the psychology of these things.
I will say, yes, we can put an emphasis or maybe the blame game on these models.
But then there's also that aspect of self-accountability as well.
So kind of like what Mela was saying, things can be viewed on a spectrum, good and bad. I think, too, it's also thinking about how what does self-awareness look like and how can ongoing self-awareness be exhibited, right?
So kind of like what Mela was saying, things can be viewed on a spectrum, good and bad.
So when we're consuming certain things or internalizing certain things or when we're using tools to aid us in our path or in simplifying workflows, if we realize that we're getting overwhelmed, then, you know, that can be a good reflection point, right? So I think, you know, just being able to exhibit self-awareness
and recognizing, okay, maybe what I'm using might not be life-giving for me in the here and now,
but then also what am I doing in the here and now as it pertains to those action steps that's
contributing to that overall dread. I think maybe the last point I'll add here is, you guys have probably heard of this, but the Ikigai method, right?
It's a Japanese technique.
And I think this kind of goes into what Thanos was saying, like, you know, taking breaks and the whole doing what you want to do versus when you need to do it.
The Ikigai method helps to recognize the intersectionalities between, you know, our wants versus our needs as it pertains to those priorities.
Right. And then you can also come up with time rules when it comes to tasks that can be completed in a shortened period of time.
So if I know I can complete whether it's a creative task or something that I generally don't want to do, but I need to do it in two minutes, five minutes, whatever that time period is, you might as well just go and do it there and then. Why? Because it also helps to
promote clarity and reduce that brain fog that comes with that overwhelm or that dread aspect
of things too. So those are my initial thoughts, man, but great space. Always great to support you,
Mela. And yeah, AJ, man, hit me up whenever you're free, bro, and I'll land there. I'll pass it back to you, Mella.
Yeah, Mella, I got to run, man.
But, Prez, yeah, I'm going to hit you up tomorrow.
And I appreciate everybody.
But I got to run, guys.
Awesome.
Love it.
Thank you so much for it.
I'm going to cut out, too.
I'm sorry.
I don't mean to be crashing.
No, no problem.
It's my bedtime.
I've been getting over the flu.
I got hit hard by it yesterday.
It's been going around, guys. If you get it, take care of yourself. That sucks, man. I hope you feel
better. Gorilla, great seeing you, man. Yeah, come pop on. You too, guys. Everyone remember,
some things are best left wild. Absolutely. Yeah, I hope you feel better soon. Everybody's
sick right now.'s crazy um and
yeah you're not like dipping out too soon guys i like to keep these spaces kind of concise so
two hours is my goal uh i don't know if i'm always gonna meet that but we'll see what happens
um and it's been what time did we start eight o' So yeah, we're almost done here. Prez, thank you so much for sharing your insight.
You always give me so much to think about
because you always offer just like a new perspective
that we haven't talked about yet.
So I think I have some stuff to think about
for next time for sure.
And it's so true like the self-accountability is
and like self-awareness is um it's just so important like navigating navigating all of
life but also like navigating these new tools navigating social media and you know how much
time we spend on it and how we interact with it I think
um just exercising self-awareness is always important in our relationships everything
so I think that's such a great point to make um and nobody's gonna be perfect that's the other
thing like we can try our best to like we're talking about in the space we can try our best
to simplify workflows we can try our best to reach our goals we can try our best to, like we're talking about in the space, we can try our best to simplify workflows.
We can try our best to reach our goals.
We can try our best.
We can always put our best foot forward.
But it's never going to go 100% as planned.
And I don't think it's actually ever meant to.
I think we learn so much about ourselves when things go wrong.
So I think that there's, there's good in every, um, in every fault. Like
anytime we, uh, you know, fall out of line or fall out of plan, I think that's not necessarily
a bad thing. And as long as we can exercise self-awareness and, um, evaluate those situations,
we, uh, we can learn a whole lot from those. So it's, uh, it's good to bring that up.
I'm, I'm really glad that you came through, dude. Um, who do we have here? We have, oh,
KC. Did you, was that a hand or was that a emoji? I couldn't tell. I wasn't looking at the screen.
I'm multitasking and putting away some stuff. I was just seconding your thought.
Okay, cool.
About simplifying the workflow,
just paying attention to our personal needs.
And, you know,
Ikigai could be the perfect way to address a lot of that.
In programming,
we just look at it as efficiency,
reducing redundancy, and, yeah,
maintaining a good scope of the project overall when planning.
Yeah, exactly.
And I think that one of the things that I have been kind of trying to focus on this year,
and last year I was working on it as well, but I'm trying to like, we talked about this last week, but like reframing is like a big theme in
my life lately. And, um, I try my best to maintain positivity, but sometimes I think negativity is functional.
It can teach us something.
So it's not always, like I say in The Optimist, it's not always peaches, rainbows, and butterflies, right?
But it's not meant to be.
There's so much that can be learned in those moments of
feeling um unmotivated like earlier we talked about you know how can we rely on motivation
and emotions and memory to help us through reaching our goals but um you know we're going
to we can't control that sometimes like this isn't a matter of controlling our emotions. It's a matter of identifying them. Like sometimes you have to
sit with them. Sometimes you have to sit with that, that feeling of almost like defeat. Um,
and it pushes you out of it. It pushes you to be better. It pushes you to address whatever it is
that you're lacking sometimes. So yeah, I think there's a whole lot of positivity
that comes from those moments. And friction is sometimes a good thing. So yeah, any...
Iron sharpens iron.
Yeah, that's exactly it. Iron sharpens iron.
um so one last thing that I intended to talk about uh today is
um kind of like the kind of a philosophy I've been using for like categorizing my tasks because
I I tend to sign myself up for a whole lot. I don't know if anybody
can relate to that, but I tend to sign myself up for a lot of things because I'm ambitious
and I want to, I want to achieve so many different things. And whether they're personal goals or goals that collaborate with other people, I, I feel like it's hard to navigate sometimes because I just end up with this big long list of in what I'm kind of considering like buckets.
I learned this back when I was working at a halfway house and I was teaching like an anger management program.
It sounds unrelated, but it is very related.
I was teaching an anger management program and we talked about emotional buckets.
I was teaching an anger management program and we talked about emotional buckets.
And that really stuck with me because what we discussed was like all the things that can add up to fill your bucket, like almost like your capacity for bullshit, like your bullshit capacity.
um, for, for bullshit, like your bullshit capacity. And, um, we, we talked about like
the various things that can be, you know, that can end up in that bucket. And then the bucket
just keeps filling and filling and filling and filling. And then over time, as your bucket gets
more full, that's when like the tolerance to anything else, anything like maybe someone
bumps you in the
grocery store with their cart or cuts you off when you're driving or, you know, like little
things that happen in our day-to-day lives. Um, if your bucket is just super jam-packed full,
then your tolerance to anything else just lessens. So, um, we discussed back in that program, we discussed how
we can, um, you know, bring that bucket down, like bring, maybe there's some things in there
that we can control. There's stuff we can't control and there's stuff we can control,
but how can we, uh, how, how can we mitigate our bucket constantly being full?
So I started applying that to like my own life and my ability to take on new tasks and manage things and take on new projects and stuff.
And I started to think of it like, okay, well, what if I categorize my buckets?
Because in this case, I'm not just thinking about emotional stuff.
I'm also thinking about, you know, creative stuff, business stuff, health stuff, relationship stuff, financial stuff.
Like, there's so much stuff.
And I don't want my health, for example, I don't want my health to become, you know, the thing on the back burner when I have to tend to business, or I don't want my
relationships to be on the back burner when I have to tend to my creative stuff. So I've tried to
categorize things in that way. So creative, business, health, relationships, financial,
So creative, business, health, relationships, financial.
And it sounds, maybe it sounds like corny or cheesy or whatever to do that, but it's been working for me.
Because now instead of always kind of feeling like I'm being pulled in five different directions,
I kind of know what I'm working with and I know what I have room for.
And I know which areas.
I'm not always evenly dispersing my energy to all of those areas.
But at least I know which areas I have been working on.
So that way I can say, oh, you know what?
I haven't really done anything in this regard lately.
Maybe I should tend to that bucket.
Does that make sense?
Am I making sense? Prez, tell me.
I saw your hand go up and I'm really excited to hear from you. Yeah, you're making sense. And I
actually want to do formal research on that. Thank you for sharing those insights in relation to what
you were doing with those clients or people you're working with. Because there's something
called affect regulation, right? which helps with distrust tolerance.
And, you know, Dr. Christina, I don't know if you guys, people in this space, if you guys know Dr. Christina Stey, she does great spaces on, you know, autism and neurodivergence.
But she talks about this method as well, radical acceptance, right, in DBT.
radical acceptance, right? In DBT, you guys can look that up. And just being able to,
You guys can look that up.
and sometimes when you think of the words radical acceptance, just for how it's framed,
it can come off passive, but being able to accept things for how they are as it is. So like,
kind of like the example you used, Mela, like if someone cuts me off either in a grocery section
or whatever, like, you know, what are those feelings that are coming you know
to mind and what can i do to tolerate them as a form of acceptance like how can i regulate the
affect the affect is the internal piece right and then now by regulating the affect that helps
regulate the mood which is the external piece you know And so what you were saying in terms of categories and
the emotional buckets, I think picking and choosing your moments is definitely one thing.
And then you can also apply it to all buckets as well, because you've actively thought about
being in that reflective state in terms of, okay, what is this doing for me right now? How is it
making me feel? And then what are some techniques that I can incorporate so that if I run into a similar situation, I can be more tolerant of it.
That's not to say I can't sit with the ick.
So going back to what you were saying, you know, I think every behavior serves a form of communication.
And so even the quote unquote negative, you know, sometimes there is value in that in order to propel oneself, you know, to wherever point that they need to get, you know, in the future as
well. So I think radical acceptance can be a huge tool when it comes to dipping your toes into
whatever emotional bucket that you need to, and then also with all of those emotional buckets as
well. So I hope that makes sense. I hope that ties to what you were saying, Mela, I'll pass it back to you. Yeah, absolutely. It's like, and I hope this is relevant, but like,
I think last week I was talking about, um,
I guess self-reflection as a form of recalibrating rather than judgment, because judgment is so,
it can feel harsh. It can feel like feel like you know you end up in this
situation you realize let's say you realize oh I haven't been tending to this thing that I really
really wanted to and I wanted to maintain this you know let's say it's like a healthy lifestyle and
you haven't really been sticking to it and you start to judge yourself and you're self-reflecting
and you're sitting in that feeling of negativity um you know and then we
talked about reframing like how can i reframe that into in a way that makes me feel like i'm ready to
to move away from that negative feeling because it's important to sit with that feeling but it's
also important to figure out or maybe not even figure out but like it's important to move away from it too if we sit
in that feeling for too long that's when um we become almost paralyzed at least personally i've
i've definitely been there where you feel like paralyzed because you i've just like you know you
end up in the situation of okay what do i do now like i have failed and that's not a nice feeling um so yeah
self-reflection as a form of recalibrating um rather than just like sitting in like negative
self-judgment and that it relates back to the reframing thing we were talking about. Go ahead, Prez.
Yeah, you see, Mela, you guys send me a mic, man, and then you get me flowing even when I don't have anything that's formally planned to say.
But yeah, we did talk about reframing last week.
And, you know, I think one of the things I brought up was cognitively reframing things
is always going to be subjective and relative to that individual,
right? So you use the word judgment, right? And I think one of the words I mentioned was
you can reframe the word judgment to observation, right? That can be a useful way of being able to
sit with those feelings and observing them and being like, okay, this is what's happening,
right? Like, for instance, I set a goal to work out five times a week,
and I was only able to do it once, or I wasn't able to do it at all, right? Like, it's very easy
to judge yourself if you were so heavily ingrained emotionally into achieving that goal. But then,
if you can reframe that and be like, okay, I'm observing this, this is what happened,
right? And then you can even use methods going into again, going into psychology.
There's another method act. Right. Which kind of goes into acceptance. But then what is going to be your committed action after?
Right. So I think that ties to what you're saying, Mela, like we can sit with the feelings, but you don't want to sit with it too much in a way where by now you're just kind of paralyzed and then there's no actions moving forward.
kind of paralyzed and then there's no actions moving forward. And acceptance, again, can be
like, okay, maybe I don't need to take a tangible action towards that situation, but maybe moving
forward can be like, okay, maybe maybe take a different path. So even an action in itself can
be a form of reframing, let alone just the words that can be reframed as well, if that makes sense.
as well, if that makes sense. Yes, makes so much sense. I love when prez gets flowing.
I love it. It reminds me of what you said in week one, going back to your song, again,
the optimist about letting a demon in and sit a while, but then letting them tell them, you know,
it's time to go. And it's that whole, when you make a mistake, you don't want to sit in that place of judgment for too
long. You have to reflect, remark, and then, you know, get on with it. Yeah. And that's,
you know, it looks different for everybody because everybody's living a different version
of reality, right? We all have different experiences.
We're all dealing with different things.
Sorry, that's my garbage can.
We're all dealing with different stuff.
And it's like we can have these conversations and maybe it's resonating with some people
and maybe someone's sitting down there like,
man, I wish I was there. I wish I could feel what they're feeling right now so I want to
also like kind of be um kind of aware of that like maybe there are people in the audience that
that are like man I can't I can't wait to relate I need to to relate to this. I want to relate to this. Because it takes time,
it takes energy, it takes effort and hard times and tears and anger, like going through shit.
It takes, I like to say, you got to go through a little shit to get to somewhere better, right?
Or a lot of shit. Sometimes you got to go through a lot of shit to get to somewhere better.
So regardless of what anybody's dealing with in the audience or in the speaker
panel I think these are all good takeaways I hope I hope some something's
being taken from this and it's okay to fall off track to be honest the track is
is not there there really is no track. It's always just moving, free-flowing. There is no track.
Setbacks are inevitable, but not how we react to them.
Yes. You want to elaborate on that? What do you think about that? I want to hear you free-flow on that a bit.
on that what do you think about that like I want to hear I want to hear you free flow on that a bit
yeah so I mean setbacks they're inevitable so like no matter what you're doing whether you're
trying to go to the club that night and you want to look your best and I don't know your favorite
hairdresser's out that day and that one little setback puts you in a bad mood and then you like
spill coffee on your dress or whatever and that puts you in a bad mood and then you like spill coffee on your dress
or whatever and that puts you in a worse mood and you just keep going down that hill of you know
um being torn up and not doing what you set out to do in the first place and not only that but
you don't even enjoy the act in doing it and I find all too often in like culture, like movies, TV, but also just in life around me,
I hear people kind of doing that where they're so obsessed with achieving the goal itself that
they forget to enjoy the ride. And they like belittle all the steps that it takes to get
there. And it's just this constant focus on why am I not here yet,
as opposed to why don't we just enjoy the scenery as we travel down the road towards our goal. So
when bumps in the road occur or the car breaks down, you don't give up. You don't turn in and
say, no, we're not going to make this trip. you you know take a moment you gather your thoughts you
you know make sure everything's still in the car and uh you know if you need help you call for it
but if you can handle it on your own great and you do what you got to and you get back on the road
and you make your way on to you know wherever you're trying to get to. So whether you're a performing artist trying to
build your brand or an independent developer trying to get their app sold and make a name
for themselves in the market, whatever we're doing, we're trying to represent ourselves.
We're trying to, and this is the part I get lost on is when you talk about like the ego and you talk about like simplifying the workflow.
Well, what is the act of simplification?
It's the reduction of anything to its most elemental form.
So when you want to actually talk about breaking down the workflow in terms of why people don't do what they need to do, why don't they take action, it's usually one of three things.
It's a lack of resources, a lack of knowledge, a lack of belief.
So, and that's the big one, is the belief, the believing that you can do it, but also the knowledge kind of is, well, that's changed nowadays but anyway the point is whatever you're trying to do
it's all in it's kind of like when you make music right this is this is the simplest way to put it
you and this is what i've come to understand as i start to do more music you have that thought in
your mind of the sound that you want to create, right? And you might not know exactly what you're doing
or how you're going to structure it or phrase it or whatever, but you strive for that goal. And
whether your computer breaks, somebody gets sick, whatever the case may be, the obstacles will rise
during that duration of what you're trying to do, because perhaps in the end,
it's not really about what we're trying to do,
but how we address everything that happens around us
while we're trying to do it.
So in the simplifying of workflows,
in the simplifying of the spectrum and the goal itself,
you have to understand oneself, you you know and it kind of goes
back full circle to being happy and so when you make music what is the best way to make music
with joy in your heart happiness to love what you're doing because it's through the love of
the art that the art form then gets created. At least that's how I think of it anyway.
Sorry. No, I love everything you just said there. Yeah, it's so true. Anytime I've ever tried to
force, like, creativity, anytime I try to, like, sit down and say, I'm gonna write a song today,
to like sit down and say, I'm gonna write a song today. It doesn't work that well, or at least I
don't think so. Like, I've never been happy with what I create in those moments, personally. Um,
I usually end up scrapping whatever idea, I mean, not scrapping it, it still lives in the notepad,
I mean, not scrapping it. It still lives in the notepad, but maybe it'll be returned to someday when I approach it without pressure and without force.
But yeah, there has to be, for me, to be creative, it has to come from a place of excitement and love of what I'm doing.
So otherwise it's just not, it doesn't go well.
So, and sometimes, and like maybe that does,
it lends to what we were talking about earlier,
how like reaching goals,
sometimes we lean a lot on our emotions
and we lean a lot on how we're feeling that day.
And that's definitely one of the ways-
Isn't that half of the performance?
Sorry?
Isn't that half of the performance?
Whenever we're going to do anything,
you have to lean on your emotions, your energy, because where else are you going to draw that, you know, chutzpah or whatever you call it, mizazz?
Yeah.
Yeah, I think it's like there's definitely ways that it's super helpful to lean on your emotions and just vibe with them and let them be.
And then you create something out of that.
And then there's other times where the opposite is true for me, where maybe I have a performance that day and I'm exhausted and I don't feel like performing.
And I don't feel like being on stage and I don't feel like having people stare at me and pictures be taken and stuff like that.
Maybe I feel extremely uncomfortable and not confident about myself that day, but I have to
go and perform regardless. I have no choice, to be honest. At least I don't give myself a choice.
I will never be that person that just bails on a performance because I'm not feeling it that day.
That's just, it's unreliable.
It's unprofessional.
So I, like the opposite is true in that regard.
Sometimes I have to completely disregard my emotions and pivot my way through and force myself through something.
Utilizing self-discipline that took a long, you know,
it takes a long time to, to build that up. But yeah, sometimes I have to do the opposite and I
have to just push my emotions aside and, uh, and do things anyway. So I think there's, there's
moments for both. Last week we talked about the garden, right?
Yep.
Taking care of the garden and watering the garden.
So I was just thinking, what if like, you know, the garden is like our inner space or whatever.
So like if you're simplifying workflow and being aware of all these things we're talking about,
then wouldn't that be akin to like tending your garden and making sure it's well maintained so that when you want to go in it and do work, it's ready, not all messed up and
like, oh no, I'm tripping over pots and pans that I left here from last week. You know what I mean?
Yeah. Yeah. It's true. Literally just having conversations about these things is in a sense tending to that garden
Yeah, to me simplifying workflows, it would be like
building a robot to
Go pick the corn for you and the shuck it or whatever
And then you got something else that's counting all the corn and you got something else. That's
You know can in the corner or whatever like all the different and you got something else that's you know can in the corn or whatever like all
the different things you automate them so you don't have to do them yourselves you know there's
lots of things lots of things that we do every day then we can automate with AI you guys gotta
look into it dabble with it there's lots of free stuff you can dabble with and then you know once
you get some better understanding of it do a little research then you can get on one of these smaller tiers and just go from there but
ai is going to be so prevalent in the future you guys got to get in there
go ahead crypto can you can you give an explanation of like where you've seen points
where do you know through this transition where you've seen points where you've
actively thought you know this is where i'll imply i'll i'll perceive my understanding of ai and this
is where i'll delve into learning more and this is where i need to get better can you give a more of an explanation on that i i've been following ai for
gosh about 10 11 years now i'm actually an early investor in open ai the creator chat gbt
so i've been following it for some time and um you know I've seen tremendous, absolutely tremendous growth from the time that I invested
into now.
I kid you not, when I invested, open AI was doing nothing but playing games with AI.
They were playing games with people and then they watched AI play against other AIs and
they watched it get better and better and better
and then you know a little while later chat gpt became a thing and so i've like watched this
whole thing blossom and grow into what it is my my my my sorry to interrupt my point is is
you know the point where you realized you needed to get better you needed to learn more you needed
to really become a master of this to get forward in modern life what was the point where you
realized that and what was the point where you thought ai may pull my pants down where i need to
become stronger i need to learn more. I need to, you know.
The moment that it changed my life is when I realized, you know, I am not a super tech savvy individual.
I'm not a coder by any means.
And the moment that I realized that, you know, I've had all these ideas in my head for many years and some of them
other people have created and they've passed on and, you know, become some really cool thing.
And I wasn't able to be a part of it, but I have other ideas that, you know, haven't been explored.
And, um, you know, the moment that I realized that my ideas can now become real, it like struck a chord in me and it totally changed my life.
And, you know, I'm a very creative type of person in lots of different ways.
And there's other people who are like me as well who have lots of great ideas, but I've never had the means to do anything with it.
It's just an idea
cooking. And because I don't have lots of money to hire some badass team that's going to cost me,
you know, quarter of a million dollars or more to build some cool thing. Now I have AI tools.
And, you know, the AI tools are like those executive coders that are badass and who can build anything.
The AI is that good now, and it's only getting better.
And anybody with a great idea who can explain the idea with good parameters to the AI can build anything.
And some of these little things that can help us with simplifying workflow can be built literally overnight like
you tell it what you want and in the morning it will be ready for you to start messing with and
maybe fine-tuning it or something but the the more you mess with this stuff the better you're going
to get and the way ai is going you know the way i've seen it going from where it started to now
and where i see it going in 10 years from now,
everybody will be using AI in some way, shape or form in 10 years. Every single person in this
world will be using it, whether you realize it or not, or whether you care or not, it will be a part
of your life. And anybody who starts digging in there and messing with it now, you will have an
opportunity. You will open doors
for yourself that you would not even think is possible because the world needs people to update
like like every single company in the world is going to need some kind of ai services
to make their companies more efficient or they're just going to disappear what what what what what
will happen to see another age of them let's say say perhaps i i won't i won't be part of of of this
uh this this new uh this new uh you know uh way of life i won't i i will go to the forest i'll
live on my own i i will not engage with ai with AI. What do you think will happen to those people?
To be honest with you, I want that to be part of my life as well.
I'm going to come in and out of it.
I want that secluded.
May I ask, if the thing that you despise is the thing that you appreciate
and the thing that you know that will become why do you
engage with it so much i want to i want to help the world in lots of different ways and i i want
to use i want to use ai tools to build some of these things that can help people like i want to
may i ask may i go ahead if i were if we were to summarize it in one word,
would you say, you know, the future propensity of AI
and the current that we have it now,
so let's focus more on the future propensity
and what it may become with all that envisaged and professed.
with all that envisaged and professed,
would you say in a nutshell,
AI has more propensity for good or more propensity for evil?
It could be equal.
You know, it just depends on the user.
I need you to summarize in a one answer question
we need your knowledge
and we need an opinion here
so as I stated
all things considered
I know your positive outcomes
I think he answered you rather well actually
well I could go either way
but I think there's more good in the world than bad
we need a one question answer
I'm not to say that this will summarize the whole AI in one picture,
but I want your opinion and I want it.
But, okay, okay, I'm going to jump in.
So, does there, is there ever, like, a definitive answer to anything?
There's not.
You know what I mean?
There's more good in the world than bad.
Nobody can predict that, you know?
Yeah.
There is not, but this will help us define just this gentleman's opinion towards the technology.
If we can just define it in a one answer.
I mean, I think it can be good.
There's more good in the world than bad.
So I would go with positive or good,
however you want to word it, you know?
On the back of that, if I may ask one last question,
what is the worst evil that you can perceive
coming from this technology? just if I may ask
the end of the world some AI that's used in a bad way who is supposed to make as
many paper clips as absolutely possible and it gets into the systems and it
corrupts everything and steals all the
manufacturing to make to make paper clips instead of more important things and we all die if i may
put forth to you just in that polarization the absolute negative that you weigh you were able to
describe i.e the pure negative i the end of the world at no point
of all the positives that you spoke did they ever come to equality to the negative that you just
described everyone should think of that yeah well that that's there's if you that's a good thing to think about, okay? But there's extreme positive, extreme negatives in everything.
You know, we need nuclear.
Have I not adequately described what is the worst case and best case scenario out of all the opinions?
opinions i worked closely with scientists on this technology and we came to the conclusion
that the negatives completely outweigh the positives although this is a train that will
not stop ie profitability will define this but ultimately you, you have the phrase science imitating life or life, no, art imitating life or life imitating art.
Like you have Terminator films.
And like you described, the most negative thing that you could describe completely outweighs all the positives that you have to describe.
And it is just food for thought.
Yeah, I don't disagree with you i understand where you're where you're going with this and i don't completely
disagree with you because of the simple fact that it is like the the issue that we're facing in this
conversation right now that nobody can adequately act adequately predict the future of AI because it's infinite.
It is designed to infinitely grow, right?
And constantly be changing at a rate that makes it impossible for us to adequately predict the future of AI.
There's been nothing like it.
Nobody can compare the internet to it nobody compare can compare social media to it because in the time that it took to
get what was it 100 million users of of instagram it took two years think, to get to 100 million. I'm not great at...
ChatGPT took like a week to get there.
It took two months for ChatGPT to get there, right?
So the rate at which AI growth is happening,
it's happening so quickly that it's really, really not possible for us to predict the future of it, right?
May I describe some of the experiments that we did with the machines and the conclusions that we came to?
I would love for you to do that.
I quickly want to get to the hands because I saw Perez's hand go up and I saw Danger Devin's hand
go up. So let's, let's get to the hands first, because I think it's important to get their
perspective on this before we get into those examples. So Devin, you want to go first,
then we'll go to Prez. If he still wants to share, I saw his hand go down, but you're welcome to.
Cool. Thank you very much, Mella. I'm loving the space. Again, I was listening for most of it,
but now
I had to chime in on this um well I actually had an idea from before that I wanted to say but now
the conversation has moved on substantially so I'll just say what I think I'll say that AI is
it's like a stone it can be milled it can be shaped and it can be the built into the cornerstone
of the foundation of a beautiful cathedral or it can be thrown through the cornerstone of the foundation of a beautiful cathedral,
or it can be thrown through the window of somebody's car.
Like, it can be used for so much good, and it can be used for so much evil all at the same time,
just like every single one of us can, right?
We can make the conscious decision to be a good person one day,
and then we can make the conscious decision to be an absolute a-hole to our neighbor the next day you know what i mean like it's it's it's in the hands of the user it's
in the hands of the maker i would i would i would politely disagree with your opinion because
unlike the stone that makes the wheel it is not only turned it is actually creating its own motion at the same time.
So I think...
With extreme parameters, if you will.
It's not sentient.
That's fair.
Well, that's fair.
Yeah, because if it's the cornerstone of a foundation,
it could one day decide to implode
and then the whole building falls down. That's fair.
Your analogy
relies on stone
and humans having a complete, you know,
out.
Yeah, no, I understand what you're saying,
and I don't disagree with you at all.
You know, I just, I have to say that
it's, you know, your analogy,
it's full, full short, you know,
it just... Well, what would your analogy is full short. You know, it just...
Well, what would your analogy be then?
Okay, I do not mean to interrupt.
No, no, no, I want to hear what you have to say because clearly you have more insight on this than I do.
Okay, so just to twist on your analogy, I would say it is similar to people creating dams they have use of what they
think of control and they think they have control because they they create the forward motion of
water but then when the dam goes wrong you see a power that is completely overpowering
when you create things out of stone you create a wheel you are creating motion and you're creating
everything within your control the same way as water when you are in control but when a dam breaks you are no longer in control and ai should be shown with the same
respect as water as opposed to stone in your analogy i yes okay cool i i i like that analogy
because and i get i i've watched uh i watched a recent interview interview that deeply relates to your perspective.
And I forget the guy's name.
I'm so bad with names.
But he talks about AI as unlike anything we've ever experienced before.
And we always, because we're humans that like to draw relations, like relationships to other things.
Like we like to categorize things and we like to say, well, this is like that.
And that is like this.
And give examples.
The way that he speaks in this interview,
and this is someone that was deeply connected
and a part of the growth of Google.
I think his name is Tristan or Travis something.
I can't remember.
But he's talking about it in a way that I think relates to what you're saying
because he's saying like we we can try our best to
like come up with like equivalents or say that AI is like this thing that we experienced and this
is going to be the future of it but he he just urges us to think of it as like there is no
equivalent like we have never seen anything like this We have never had anything to compare it to.
The only thing that defines the future from the past is that the future has no references.
The future will be defined as opposed to the past will is already defined.
The future holds no bars.
And the future is extremely scary if you do not have
control yeah yeah and and i know some people um i when i have this conversation about ai some people
think it's like a fear-mongering thing or like a negative thing and and i don't want to to think of it that way because it's literally our
responsibility as human beings to um what we were talking about early earlier to to self-assess
right it's our responsibility to build things um in a way that's gonna to be safe. And we can, we can pretend that we can cross that bridge when we get there.
Right.
But,
but what if the bridge is,
is being built so quickly and so efficiently that we can't keep up with it.
Right.
That's how I,
my friend,
real quick,
Louisiana,
just real quickly. I just want to say there's an analogy. My friend who's a pilot told me one day, he said, I asked him what it's like being a pilot and having like hundreds of people behind you on the plane.
than I hope for the best.
But I don't think about all the people behind me.
I worry about getting my own ass on the ground
because if I get my own ass on the ground
and I'm okay, they're okay.
And I think the thing is,
like Louisiana was saying though,
like we can plan for the worst,
but we don't really know what the worst is in the future.
We can't plan for that.
So that's a very good point louisiana
you're you're you're sharp cookie man i i worked uh i came to louisiana from uh poland i try um
do um well i work in in germany for a while, and then I come to America
because America is the best country.
And then we work, so I work for Google currently,
and we work on the AI.
This technology has come for a long time since the 90s,
and, you know, it's extremely interesting.
And the propensity to...
Sorry, sorry.
I'm such a klutz.
Louisiana, forgive me.
Maela, I just had to add,
can you see my hand up?
Because it's been up for a while.
There's something I want to say.
No, I can't.
I can't see your hand up.
I'm glad you said something.
Okay, yeah.
No, just to speak to exactly what we're talking about, what everyone has said, just real quick. The worry about the AI, this is technology we're talking about. And so everybody remembers, right? Yes, social media came out and that changed everything. But even before that, and just like you just said, the 90s, right at the end of the 90s, what did we see?
We saw Napster, right?
And what did Napster do to the music industry?
So when you think about the nature of AI as a new form of intelligence, as a new form of technology,
as a new form of intelligence,
as a new form of technology,
and how that in its nature
can be disruptive to our control,
not like the breaking of a dam.
Yeah.
How do you plan for the future?
May I ask you...
Looking at the past.
That's kind of what I want to discuss.
But yeah, go ahead. Sorry.
In what industries did Napster disrupt?
The music industry.
Yeah, sorry.
And what other industries?
I know what you're getting at.
Music for that, yeah.
I know what you're getting at because this is the thing is AI, it disrupts every single industry at the exact same time. It's the implicit nature of it So AI does affect everything
But the case
The case study of what Napster did
To the industry
How that technology changed
A very established human structure
That's kind of what I'm talking about
May I ask a question
And this is quite apt
I think you say um when napster came about
whose control was it under was it under the main business owner's control or was it under
the general population's control oh under general
the general populations control.
Oh, under general policy.
If I'm not mistaken, yeah, because it was a peer-to-peer network.
I think this is where we can define a differing opinion towards Napster.
It was in control of the people as opposed to AI.
The vast majority of technology is not under general control of
of people so i see a difference in your analogy although i appreciate
yeah i think it's also important to recognize like oh sorry there's a whole lot going on here
i'm going to change rooms one second. I think it's also important
to recognize like the, so we know like there's so many risks, right? And we've established that
it's going to affect all industries. We know this. And we also know that it's not really
able to be compared to anything that's happened in the past because nothing in the past has really affected everything like AI does.
But also the growth of AI and like the incentives for people to keep growing and growing and growing
its capabilities at a rate that we can't keep up with, how that relates to global securities,
right? Like when we have, you know, the great superpowers of the world all competing for AI to grow in their own respective agendas and what they want to do with it, we can talk about the military, for example, it's like this race.
superpowers of the world are racing to be at the top of its growth.
So that's where things start to get dicey because we leave behind a lot of safeguards when everybody's racing for that growth.
So during the World War, it is complete fact that, you know, say human advancement is completely tied to war.
So, you know, you had World War I and then people were still riding horses into battle.
And then from that, you got tanks as a result.
And from that, you got
tanks as a result.
So war
is completely
established and associated
with human
advancement in the harshest
way, but that is fact of life.
Is it war or is it necessity
though?
Or is it competition?
Why can we not have this
without the necessity of war is the question.
The answer to that, I can tell you the answer to that.
I'm a Marine.
I've been to war twice.
Yeah, I'm sure we can speak on this one.
Let's hear it.
Yeah, the big answer to that is basically the way governments move money and stuff.
the way governments move money and stuff it's there's just so much corruption and um in order to
There's just so much corruption.
do lots of big things in the world they have to print money and one big excuse to print money
is to have some kind of war and unfortunately most wars are fabricated they're not based on
any real actual wars um there there are some, real wars, but most of them,
most of the big wars that are publicized in the world are a bunch of bullshit.
It's a bunch of use of manipulation and whatnot.
That's why they call it the theater of war.
Yeah, the world is staged.
May I ask your opinion as an American?
So Venezuela, if you go to war with Venezuela,
would you go to war with Venezuela?
Or what do you see as American war now?
Would you support war in Venezuela or do you support war in Colombia?
No, these are just political buttons that they're pushing.
You know, like Venezuela, Venezuela has 600 million Bitcoin
and they have more oil in the world than anybody.
That's why they took Venezuela.
It's absolutely disgusting, but that's the truth of it.
As an American, though, I like America.
I support America.
I think America does a lot of good for the world.
A lot of good for the world.
And so I would like your American opinion on is America doing,
how you see American doing good,
or is they creating too many wars,
or do you support them in what they're doing?
I think, so, okay, so I feel like he did answer that
question but also this is moving very very far I didn't want to like jump in and like you know
silence this conversation because I am a person that really loves and likes to protect the freedom
of conversation but um it is moving very far away from the topic of the space and i don't
want to change the topic of the space because this is something that i'm passionate about
um so i think that this topic calls for a different space does everybody agree i think
we could host a space i i agree with you yeah Yeah. I mean, it's, it's the could we, should we analogy, right?
Could we build an atomic bomb?
Sure.
Should we?
I don't know.
Cause if our enemies get ahold of one.
Yeah.
And like, I think that this, this is like, these are, these are questions that I like
to explore.
To be honest, I really do like to explore this stuff.
I watch so many, um, different like videos and interviews about this this, and I'm passionate about this,
and that's why I was like, oh my god, this is a cool conversation we're having here.
But I also want to respect the, even though it's my own space, I want to respect the topic of the space
and keep it kind of aligned with that, because when someone goes back and listens later,
and let's say this just happens
to be the minute that they
skip forward to, they're going to be kind of
confused because the space is
supposed to be about simplifying
I think
I know what you mean
so can I ask about American BBQ
you like American BBQ
oh American brisket is the best.
I will say the best brisket I've ever had was in Texas.
Oh, me too.
Stardust Saloon.
Let's go.
You can simplify your barbecue workflows with AI.
Anyways, I do think that we have talked about a lot of things today i think it's been a really
good space um and i don't like to run like too much past a couple hours uh just because i'm i'm
in this new wave of trying to to respect my own time this year and i've spent many many nights
and spaces for four five six seven i've spent nights and spaces nights in spaces for four, five, six, seven.
I've spent nights in spaces until it's morning, to be honest.
And the birds are chirping.
So, yeah, I think, honestly, I think that maybe we get some closing thoughts on this topic.
We're going to get some closing thoughts about simplifying workflows.
Maybe discuss what we've been doing to reach some of the goals that we talked about last week. And,
and then I'm going to close out the space. So if everybody's cool with that,
we'll go around the room, um, starting with danger dev,
cause his hands up and I think I saw Casey's hand go up, up and then down.
So we'll go to Casey next.
Cool. Uh, all right. Well, I want to simplifying workflows.
I want to bring it back to that, um that quote by my friend who's a pilot. You got to plan for the worst, but hope for the best. You got to have contingency plans in place in case something goes wrong. Like, you know, that's why your car comes with a spare tire, that kind of thing. What I've noticed in my life and a lot of people's lives is like we were talking about being motivated before.
Motivation always follows action.
You have to act first and then the motivation will follow.
Like when I'm working out, I'm not motivated to work out.
I don't like working out, but I know I need to do it to do the work that I do.
I work construction, right?
And I'm not motivated to do it to do the work that i do i work construction right and i'm not motivated to
do it but when i start doing it as soon as i'm you know 10 minutes in i'm like oh i want to do
one more rep or like the other week i hit my personal best on the bench press i wasn't motivated
to do that i didn't think i was going to do that but as soon as i'm working at it and sweating
and slaving away i'm like you know what i'm going to put 10 more pounds on there you know and that
so that motivation it always follows the action you always have to take that first step before
look in the mirror and think i'll take you will be skinny if you take the fat off
that's true but like i'm just talking about motivation in general like and and staying like you're not
you're never going to reach a flow state unless you start moving first right you're never going
to get into that mode where you're just like in this because like a couple weeks back i probably
wrote like six songs in like two weeks and i was and they were really good and i was really happy
with myself and now it's just kind of like i'm what did you sing about uh i sang about everything i sang about addiction i sang about failed relationships i said like it
was just it was just an onslaught of um just i don't know emotions then and life experience
that came out of me that i didn't tap into until i literally sat down and just started noodling on
the guitar and figuring out different chord progressions and stuff like that.
So again, that motivation to write another song after I sat down,
like action first, motivation will come after that.
Love it. Absolutely love it.
All right, let's go to Casey.
What are your closing thoughts regarding the space?
Hmm.
Closing thoughts.
Let's see.
Let's do a review of my notes.
So to simplify workflows, it starts with mindset,
followed by tracking and organizing using stuff like lists.
Half the battle is taking action, finding the motivation to do so.
We only have so much energy per day, so we need to delegate and schedule
and pace ourselves because if we don't, we will burn out.
and pace ourselves, because if we don't, we will burn out.
So going back to what is non-negotiable,
I would say it's these things.
This is what I've just gone over.
I would say that would be a pretty good starting point for non-negotiables.
And for me, one of my personal non-negotiables,
and I'm going to try and adhere to, I don't know how how it's gonna work out because it seems everyone's very sensitive to shilling
but I need to talk more about Starship launcher and just keep mentioning you
know if you haven't downloaded it if you haven't played it give it a shot you
know because that's I love hanging out with you guys I love listening everyone
talk about stuff but there is the fact that i have
this project that i'm working on and i am trying to start a company and um
um yeah just check out my um if you just click on my pfp it's right there. Like it's all pretty much self-explanatory.
but yeah,
it's the power to launch starship in the palm of your hand.
So all original completely made from scratch.
No way I was used.
because yeah,
I was being very stubborn at the time.
I think,
I think think Marcus has
their handle for
yes I see that
let's get to Marcus
what's up Marcus
what's up bitches
how's it going dude
I was so positive
I just want to say that I'm from Finland and I love Trump.
I love it.
Okay, but any closing thoughts on simplifying workflows?
workflows.
What is your favorite food from
What is your favorite food from Finland?
Finland?
Oh, yeah.
I forgot to mention, if we're
done with final thoughts,
is there any possibility we could get a little
music in there?
The subtitles, but
I understand.
There is no time, Casey.
I think Mela made that.
So, Marcus, what...
Oh, my God. I love it.
Louisiana comes in here.
He's like, nah, I'm the host now.
I'm going to dictate how this
space goes. I love it.
Look at me.
It's quite funny.
Look at that.
I know.
There is time. I will sing a song to close this out.
I think...
What will
song be about?
You'll have to listen to it to find out.
I don't like to...
Happy song,
not sad song.
Can I say the favorite food?
Favorite food in what is it?
Favorite food in Finland Dear Lord have
mercy on my soul
I'm thinking
of taking trip off
so I don't know
You can't talk anymore
you know three strike policy
Yeah I think I'm I hate doing that to people,
but I think I'm approaching that.
Another non-negotiable.
Some people make it as a summit.
You know, they get their jollies by messing up party pooping.
Yeah, it is what it is.
But the answer is
I didn't take him out
A ruska, a kastika
Okay
Prez had his hand up for a second there, Mela
Maybe he's got a few closing thoughts
And then maybe you could close us out with a song
Yeah, I just had to do some housekeeping
And clean up the song. Yeah, I just had to do some housekeeping and clean up the space.
Yes.
You don't need a co-host. Don't hesitate.
I'm there for you, Mel.
I honestly, it's like, I welcome
open conversation. I really
do. I'm sure that was pretty evident.
Absolutely.
You have to draw a line.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It is what it is.
It's funny because you know that they're not here for the space when they leave immediately after they don't get away.
Well, it's proof in the pudding that, you know, I didn't want to say anything.
I never want to be that guy.
But, you know, I'm learning that, you know, with this whole, we only have so much energy.
We only have so much time.
And if we let other people just take it from us, whose fault is it actually?
Exactly.
Wow.
I think this really came full circle, guys.
It really did.
It really came full circle. I've been low-key in the background like i'm i'm
so invested in this conversation i like to multitask it actually helps me think and i've
been i bought this new food processor today and i have all these attachments and yet i have so little cupboard space. So I've been here trying to... So many accessories. Yes, it's a
wonderful little... Oh, I turned it on. I haven't done that yet. It's a wonderful little gadget.
It's a big gadget, to be honest. This is large, and I don't know how... 28 pound gadget.
28 pound gadget.
Yeah, it's going to be life changing, really.
But I don't know how I'm going to fit everything in my kitchen.
Mel, are you going to start juicing?
Ooh, juicing would be good.
Don't give me any ideas.
I'll buy another gadget.
No, it's the Nutribullet food processor.
Oh, nice. And it comes with the bigribullet food processor. Oh, nice.
And it comes with like the big blender and the food processor attachment and then the small little Nutribullet blenders so you can have your own little personal smoothie and they have the lids on it.
Or you can make enough for Dakota.
Yeah, I'll just use the entire, like the big blender for that.
I'll just use the entire, like, the big blender for that.
But, yeah, I've just been in the background, you know,
trying to figure out how I'm going to fit all of this stuff.
And it made me think about that bucket that we were talking about.
We were talking about the bucket.
And sometimes you just can't fit everything in the bucket.
And you're going to have to find a new spot to put it.
And I think that's where I'm at.
Or another bucket. Yeah, I might have to get another bucket another cabinet
yep that's where i'm at um anyways prez any closing thoughts
yeah sure you know originally i put my hand up earlier on because, yeah, I just wanted to say, like, you know, let's honor the host's intentions.
You know, we're here to talk about the topic. But then you were like, oh, no, man, I welcome the conversation.
So I wanted to honor that, too. So I kept it down.
And then when Danger was speaking, too, I just wanted to add something, just a little, little added comment to that,
because, you know, the action versus motivational
piece, I think it is, yeah, a reciprocal loop.
I would add to that danger from a neuroscience perspective too.
Motivation actually is the antecedent before action, right?
And so like going back to the workout example.
Yeah.
No, no, I got you.
And actually I'm validating your point
here. I'm just, um, adding just a little, little, you know, a little, little icing on the cake,
if that makes sense. And people don't have salt off the elbow. Just, yeah, just a little salt,
you know what I mean? You know, like sometimes you get a dark chocolate brand, you know,
you just need that caramel salt, you know, it just adds to it. But, you know, so I say that
because motivation can also be those micro thoughts, right?
Knowing your why.
So even like, you know, using the workout example, I might not be motivated to work out.
And going back to your point, Danger, I still might do it because if I reflect on my why's, my micro thoughts, I know working out is good for me.
working out is good for me. I might not want to do that ish, but then I end up doing it. And now
I might not want to do that ish, but then I end up doing it.
because I did that action and reflecting on those micro thoughts, which is a form of motivation in
itself. Now that action now can promote further motivation, that motivation, that impacts our
state of being in terms of now reflecting and being like, okay, now I'm motivated to keep on
going. And then also promoting discipline. And Dr. Heath has talked about this too, like the myth
between motivation and discipline and like discipline comes before motivation it's like no
motivation comes beforehand and it's not just the motivation of that like what it's doing for our
state of being like being unmotivated versus motivated but just our micro thoughts in itself
that in itself is a form of motivation quite a paradigm so yeah you hit that nail on the head
man because i'll tell you one of my favorite quote quotes is from carl jung uh the the
psychologist he said a man with a y can withstand anyhow and if you know why you're doing something
it doesn't matter how hard it is you'll find a way right like? Like, it's, yeah. Well said, Prit. Well said.
I love you, psychology.
Oh shit, I didn't mean to.
Didn't mean to, but here we are.
We hear you.
We're here.
Crypto, last hand up
and then Mel has got to kill this face.
I'm enjoying this.
That's probably really echoey because I'm in a cupboard.
My face is in a cupboard right now.
I'm really enjoying this conversation, to be honest.
It's been great because I don't know about you guys,
but I find it easier to get tasks done when I'm like with somebody like
you ever you ever need to go to the coffee shop to sit on your laptop and like get some work done
and like just people doing things around you and talking around you helps you get something
yeah I love it and like not only have I, um, expanded my, my thoughts and my insights and my
understanding of things in this space, and we've had some really good conversation.
Um, but I'm just, I'm so motivated cause I'm surrounded by this. So, um, yeah, it's been
really great. Thank you guys for this space. Um, yeah, it's just, it's been really great. Thank you guys for the space. Positive energy.
Yeah, it's just it's been awesome.
Let's get some closing thoughts from crypto in my veins.
And then I'm going to kill the space soon.
Yeah, Mela, when you get in those zones like that, it's an energy.
It's a vibe.
And all energies spread and are contagious and when you're around
a lot of people who are doing the same kind of things that you're trying to do it just you know
the energy just vibes with you and it makes it a little easier for you as far as simplifying
workflows i'm going to simplify some workflows right now and i just want to say mala if you come to indiana i want to be on your staff wherever you
go whatever you do while you're here and then i want you to make some time that's where i can show
you around uh because i know some of the best places in indiana to go to and you know depending
on what time of year you come will depend on what we do but
i can show you some a really good time while you're here and uh i cannot wait so he's like
i think texas brisket was good i'm a good cook myself i'll cook i'll cook you a hell of a meal
or two i owe you tacos still me Mella. Yeah, you do.
Oh my god, I love tacos. I could eat
Mexican food every day of my life.
Breakfast,
lunch, dinner.
I make some fire carne asadas.
Oh, carne asadas.
Taco Tuesday.
Oh my god, okay. I'm making food
after this. See? Another way
that you guys motivate me.
She's like, where's the taco attachment to this food process?
Yeah, how do I?
Oh my gosh.
I wish AI could make me the taco right now.
Oh, for real. Yeah, I saw this funny thing. I saw this funny thing about AI and how people are like, man, I don't want to use AI for my creative purposes. I want AI to do all the tasks of my day that I don't want to do. Like my laundry and my cleaning and all of those things that I don't want to do it would be so nice yeah yeah yeah that's coming soon with
uh you know with ai and robotics yeah i don't know 10 years down the road it would be some
really cool robots that's i can see myself falling in love with that kind of robot if if i come home
and he's doing laundry and all of my stuff's folded and in the closet that's a robot i could fall in
love with i'm not did you guys see the video of that that roomba robot that somebody bought off
timu and it's just like bouncing off the walls at like 20 miles an hour just like
i laughed so hard when i saw that guys where there's a will there's a will, there's a way. Guess what your girl just did? A cupboard has been found.
A cupboard has been emptied and found.
And your girl is fitting every appliance.
And there's even extra room.
Look at that.
She's like, I'm stacking that thing in this corner now.
Like, so much has been accomplished in this space.
Email up.
Motivation. Follow the action. Email up. Motivation.
Follow the action.
It does.
Motivation.
Yeah.
Yes.
Okay.
I think...
Do we want a song?
Do you guys want to hear me sing?
Fuck yeah, we do.
Okay.
You know it.
i could do one too if you want i'm good that would be lovely danger you want to go first
I could do one, too, if you want, Mel.
I'm good.
Ooh, that would be lovely.
Danger, you want to go first?
yeah it sounds like melo needs a minute danger are you ready
danger is mad talented man he's crazy he's phenomenal
for real thanks for that bro um well i said i was you know i had written some new songs in the last
few weeks is it all right i just sat down but i'm yeah i'm gonna try and cover for mella here
till she gets her food processor processed um this is a new one i wrote it's called i am addiction it's a bit
of a darker song but i feel like a lot of people have been there so
oh shoot no one voice focus i was trying to be polite in the space and not overpower everybody
all right all right all right i do but you know what i love it i love it when people are like hey man you you you could
do like you sound like crap it's it it's it's like when you know you're walking down the street
and you got a booger hanging out of your nose and your best friend doesn't say anything but
the stranger's like hey man you got something in your nose you appreciate that drape drawer than your breath. All right, here it goes.
You hear that better, right?
All right. I feel you moving closer, come to me baby, pop me open
You know I'm everything that you need, I'm your want, I'm your lust, I'm the air that you breathe Cause you still believe I'm here to help you
Just because I make you feel the way you want to
You think I'm what you need at the end of every day
But the truth is, baby, you're just a game that I play
I'll be the only one to make you feel alright
I love it when you're gonna crawl in back to me
Late at night
Cause so many things I'll take from you
Just because I want to
I'll take your health, your wealth, your reason to live
And even though you're gonna blame me, I know you'll always forgive
Like why I'm the reason you can't go and buy yourself a brand new car
I'm the reason why your dreams always seem way too far
I'm the reason you can't go on a nice relaxing vacation
I'm the reason why you failed your last psych evaluation
I'm the one that keeps you broke, I'm the one that keeps you sick
I'm the reason why you're overweight and your wife left with your kids
I'm the reason your daddy left, I'm the one that tempted him
I'm the one that makes the addict able to justify the sin
I'm the only thing you hate to love because I'm the one that makes the addict able to justify the sin
I'm the only thing you hate to love because I'm what you crave
I'll build you up like a master but you'll really be my slave
I'll convince you I'm under your control and you have all the power
Until I get you fiending for me around the eleventh hour
And that's when I'll be the only one to make you feel alright
I love it when you come crawling back to me
Late at night
Cause I'm the reason empires fall, you see
I'm the one that ended them all
It was me, I'm easy to acquire
I'm not hard to enjoy
I'm only here to steal a little bit
Maybe kill and destroy
I've been playing this game since long before you were alive
I'm your burden, I'm your bondage
I'm your hatred, I'm your strife
Cause once I dig my claws in you
I'll never let you leave
I'm the marks on your arm I'm the strife, cause once I dig my claws in you, I'll never let you leave I'm the marks on your arm, I'm the stains on your teeth
I'm the reason why you stole from your family and your friends
I'm the reason you're alone and why you're penniless again
Some call me a demon, some call me affliction
No, no, no, you already know my real name, baby Some call me affliction, nah nah nah
You already know my real name, baby
I am addiction
Thanks y'all
Amazing! I love that song, Danger.
When did you write that one?
Hold on, let me go back to voice focus. I'll be polite.
Oh my gosh.
I think he said a couple weeks ago, or was this a... That was really was really good man It had some Rin vibes
For me
Oh dude that's such a big compliment
I love Rin
But yeah
No I wrote that I guess it's been
Not quite a month it's been about three weeks
Since I wrote that song yeah
Just before the Christmas break
Nice okay so have you played
it in spaces before uh yeah I played it I played it a few times in spaces um that's actually one
um well I told you Mela the other week after the bloom room I went and I sat down and I recorded
with like this killer bass player and he also does sax and a drummer that was one of the ones we
recorded so nice yeah like it's he i don't know like i left
it with them because they're like they're way more technologically savvy than me so he's like
yeah i want to like draw out some of the chords into like just like he i don't know he wants to
put like a sax solo into it but it sounds like the notes he was playing was so evil like it was
just like i don't know it's it i'm really excited for this one to like come out
so yeah that's awesome i'm so sorry i was tuning my guitar so if i if i unmuted and you heard like
you never apologize in your own space for anything
um no that's awesome i was wondering because i feel like I've heard you play it in a space before. And now that you said that it's recorded, I don't have to ask you because I was going to say please record that one.
That's awesome.
Um, okay, I guess I gotta figure out what I'm playing here.
Excuse me.
Um, hmm.
Um, hmm. What do you guys want to hear?
Anybody have a request? Oh, you know, I want boiler room.
Or one thing.
Of course, you know, that's my automatic, right?
Yes.
Okay.
I'll play that one then.
Thanks again for the space tonight, Mello, though.
It was really like there were so many intelligent people in here, like, and so many good ideas.
And just what a vibe.
What a vibe.
You've created something awesome with the Bloom Room.
So I can't wait for episode three.
Yeah, me too um i'm hoping i'm hoping to be able to do it on friday next week because i know that this conflicts with fucking conflicting with spaces i want to be in so i i apologize to you all
play the crocinox song mella that you're talking about earlier i I absolutely love that one. Oh, yeah, I could do that one.
That might be better, actually, because I haven't sang yet today.
I haven't done any warm ups.
So that might be a better option.
But I did. I just realized I brought up Smile and I don't want to leave or kill the space before we hear from Smile.
So, yeah, I just wanted to check in and say welcome to the Bloom Room.
We are closing out soon, but if you have any thoughts to close out the space
or if you wanted to share anything specific, you're welcome to.
What's up, Smile?
Yeah, GM, GM, Melody, GM, Crypto, GM, Danger.
Like, that song was a good one.
I like the part that everywhere was somehow quiet.
Like, thank you so much for that.
Thank you so much, Melabi, for having me, Bruce, and every speaker and listener.
Okay, what actually attracted me to this space was um simplifying workflows like yeah i came to you
know get to understand how um people within the crypto space um actually um simplify their
workflows and as well share my own um way that i do um simplify my workflows as well. But I guess it's a space meant for singers and songwriters.
But yeah, thank you so much for having me.
I don't know if I can talk a little bit on simplifying workflows
and share myself a bit.
I don't know if I'm permitted to do that.
Oh, my goodness. I was trying to do that. Oh, my goodness.
I was trying to unmute there, and my button wasn't working.
Yeah, like, I mean, what do you want to share about simplifying workflows?
And then I'll, you know, we're going to close out the space soon,
but I don't want to cut you off if you have something good to say.
Okay, yeah, not too much to say,
except that currently to simplify your workflows now,
you just have to make use of LEN or try to be making use of AI.
If you're not familiar with it, with AI tools,
I think you can.
It will help you to simplify your workflow,
no matter the industry no matter the the industry
automation yeah yeah so i think using ai tools can also help you to simplify your workflow
and yeah i'm smart i'm a social media manager get if you're a builder if you're a founder or a
creator and you like to producing your services and
you don't have time to actually push your social accounts you don't have time
to build them but you know you need to stay visible on the timeline so if you
don't have time I'm the guy you can always contact to help you and handle
such tasks and get so thank you so much much menabi thank you for having me thank you
every other person here oh my god i didn't realize i was unmuted there
i uh i love what you said um and you're right we we definitely spoke about AI in the space, and there's many ways that it can be used to simplify workflows.
Personally, I don't use it for creative purposes to write music or anything like that.
Just a personal preference of mine, if I'm going to be creative, I want to use my own, I don't know.
I don't like to, I like to collaborate with humans creatively, not AI.
But when it comes to simplifying my workflow in terms of maybe I wake up and I've got a busy day that day,
I ask AI to help me plan my day and simplify the tasks.
Or if I'm sitting there like, oh, is this email good enough?
Is this going to land me this gig?
Maybe I might, you know, input that email into AI and ask it, like, if there's anything I should change.
But again, I do use my own creativity and my own creative mind first.
I try and do that first and then get, you know, assistance later, rather than just letting it take full control.
So yeah, that's kind of how I utilize it. But everybody is obviously, you know,
using it differently. And I don't know, I think it's, it's a very incredible tool.
I just try to be as mindful as possible. So that way, I still have, you know, personal agency over my, my career and my,
um, the way I'm presented on social media. I don't like to lean on it a hundred percent,
but if I can use it to simplify the workflow and simplify my, my schedule for the day or
something like that, I definitely do. Um, but yeah, thank you for coming through. I will,
um but yeah thank you for coming through i will i will play a song yeah oh go ahead
i would also like to add that yeah what you just said is true you get ai you just have to use it
in a way that you just for idea like you have your own idea but you don't know how to put it
out there you are not sure you're not certain you get you can now try to
make use of ai in that aspect you get i heard when you said um if there was an ai that could
help you do your laundry and all that you get ai is still involved i think there are some robots
i'm seeing online there are being some kind of activity for certain kind of people although they are not yet
perfect but they are still um they are still innovating them they are still um making it to
be more more good the last time i saw when um ai threw robots they were like a team like they just
say i'm chasing and mining but they are all robots playing football, being controlled by people.
They were just on the testing phase of it.
So AI is evolving and it will actually take control over many things.
But it's just that they are robots.
It's only humans that will control them, that will tell them what to do, what to execute for us.
In as much as when we tell them they will
execute faster than maybe a millions of humans but we are the ones being humans
are the ones to tell it do this way do this way do like this do like this you
get without we being the human telling the AI tools okay do this thing it won't
work you get so that is just some it just um and for everyone here i've given you
guys a photo if you can do where you throw me back i do host spaces every friday where we share
educational stuff in the crypto space ai web 3 so guys can do it to follow me back turn on my
notification and yeah let's connect thank you so much thank you so so much yeah yeah thank you thank you well that's
a really good point that he brought up though like ai does simplify things like me personally i'm a
i'm an autodidact when it comes to guitar playing i'm self-taught i don't even know how to read
music but i can go to like one of the ais and i can be like i've got this melody in my head and
i'll just be like and they'll be like okay this like, and it'll give me the chords that are in my head.
And then I can actually, you know, string them together with my guitar and put lyrics to it and stuff like that.
So like it, it is, it is a very useful tool, but I can, I can see it being a terrible master as well.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It all depends on how we choose to use it.
Right.
We create the tools of our own unmaking.
How dare you?
Yeah.
It's funny.
danger.
I've been meaning to tell you and everyone else in the space,
but I know that you,
we we've talked at length about ai music
and stuff like that so um i i wanted to tell you it's funny suno has been reaching out to me for
about four weeks now they've sent me yeah they've sent me four different emails trying to get me to
collaborate with them to be an affiliate um and it's so funny. It's so funny. They're paying,
you should see what they're, they've sent me their pricing, like what they're offering me,
they finally got to an offer. I haven't responded to a single email. And they sent me an actual like
offer, like we'll pay you this much for this, that the other thing. And it's, it's funny, like,
that the other thing and it's it's funny like it's uh exactly what i thought was gonna happen
because what it is like devaluing music so much because they're saying like if you write a hook
with uh with suno and you post that hook they'll give you a whole five dollars wow five dollars i was like wait so you're they're they're admitting to me that's
that's admission of now if you write a good hook you get a whole five bucks guys that's crazy
but if you compare it to streaming services i guess it is a little bit better, but I don't think that's a great idea.
I was just going to say,
like, you could make so much more money on iTunes
with an actual...
Think about what Lars Ulrich said,
how he was whining about the loss of income.
So we do see that same trend
with technology just constantly devaluing
the actual human interaction.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah, well, it's it's
five whole dollars we need to host a whole other space we you know what we've we've said there needs to be a part two to the ai music space so um that's gotta happen because i feel like there's
been some concurring yeah there's been some changes Conquering. Yeah, there's been some changes.
You think Louisiana will show up for them?
Oh, dear.
I'm sorry, I had to.
That was funny.
Yeah.
All right, now let's kill it.
Let's go.
All right.
All right.
Take your shoes off, hang your coat, stay a while
Baby, it's cold out there
We could play the crok and know you always win
Oh, it's not fair But it's okay, I love that smile
I'll always stare
Promise me you'll never leave
Oh do you still care?
I know that you said, but I want to see it, I want you to cry.
want to see it, I want you to cry. So I know that you care I want you to fight
When you get angry
So I know that your heart is still there
I've been hurt, I've been wronged
I've played along to those silly games
On the surface it seems so perfect Until it's too late
Too late Maybe we could say the things we seem to
Hide away, hide away
You and me, we are a team and this year ain't child's play
I know that you say it, but I want to see it
I want you to cry
So I know that you love me
I want you to hurt, so I know that you care.
I want you to fight when you get angry.
And you get angry
So I know that your heart is still there
So I know that your heart is still there
Beautiful, beautiful. I love it.
Thank you, thank you.
That was fun.
That is an original called Silly Games,
and it's out on all platforms.
So follow the link in my bio,
and you'll find all my music.
Appreciate you guys.
Send it to Suna.
You'll get five bucks, Mela.
Yeah, fuck.
Fuck off, Jared.
Thanks for the space, Mella.
Look, seriously, though, like I'll say it, I said it before and I'll say it again.
Like you bring together so many amazing minds that like have so many different takes on the same topic.
It's just it's wonderful to hear.
And it's not an echo chamber, you know, like we're all bouncing ideas off each other.
Sure, we might disagree about certain things, but that's the whole point of it.
It's it's like Casey said, iron sharpening iron, right might disagree about certain things, but that's the whole point of it. It's like Casey said,
iron sharpening iron, right?
Yeah, great space.
Great space.
Thanks, Danger.
Yeah, I love this space.
It's only episode two, and I feel like
I don't know, it feels
like we're building
something here.
We're going to something. Yeah, we've already kind of talked about so many um interesting and insightful topics and it always leads us somewhere
um new so i'm excited for next week um stay tuned i still i going to schedule the space. I got to figure out when it's going to be. I,
I, you know, like I said last week, it's always going to be, um, pending my plans outside of,
sorry, I got to mute this. Um, it's going to be pending my plans outside of, you know,
spaces and being online. I have gigs that I have to do. I have, um, other stuff going
on. So I can't always guarantee it's going to be on the same day at the same time. Um, but I can
guarantee that they will be recorded. So if you miss one because you can't be there, it will be
there for you, for you to listen back to. Um, yeah, cool. Thank you so much. Love you guys.
Have a good night. Take care. Probably
see you in another space because I'm addicted and I want to go say hi to people that I don't
get to talk to. But, uh, yeah, take care and, uh, be safe. Take care, Mo. See you in space.
Bye everyone. Bye everyone. Thank you. Bye.
