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THE CAMPFIRE x BREAD GUY (MEGAETH) 🏕️
Recorded: May 23, 2025 Duration: 1:06:27Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, the launch of MegaEth was highlighted as a groundbreaking project aiming to revolutionize blockchain technology with its ultra-fast transaction speeds and innovative applications. The conversation also touched on the upcoming Token Generation Event for debank, the potential for yield-generating applications, and unique funding mechanisms through NFT sales.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yo.
Yo, what's up?
A little quiet.
Is it just me?
Maybe I gotta turn myself up.
What up?
What up?
I think Frosty's speaker is just playing music quietly.
Got you.
Sound good.
Okay. Yeah, we'll wait for a few more minutes
just for people to check points across chains right now oh what are you dumping
man i started looking at my my portfolio and i like the tail end is just it's too goddamn long so like i just dumped uh
zerkit i got this fucking airdrop like a year and a half ago so it was like 600 bucks i just
need to get get over there and get that shit off and just like remove the line item so like that
kind of stuff i feel you man wallet maintenance we all have to do wallet maintenance um yeah the lights came on in the
club and i'm like i i feel gross i need to take a shower uh so we're going through a little bit
right now it's a pain in the ass too because you you probably like just like me like we have like
dozens of wallets um so it's it's an organizational task just to keep track of everything
yeah for like well i honestly i've been doing a poor job of it until like i started
to want to trade so i was like okay you know what like i need to get a portfolio tracker so i found
a good portfolio tracker and started plugging in a bunch of my walls and that's whenever it was like
it was even worse than i thought so it's like now i can actually see it all in scope like right next
to everything else i'm like yeah i need to adjust what do you use d bank or like what do you use to portfolio track
uh yeah i put out a blast and i just asked people like what do you guys use and uh lighter
or not lighter lighthouse lighthouse came to me um and they're like hey man you know try us out
i did them and uh cerebro and a few others and honestly the lighthouse is pretty pretty slick
um so like i've just been
doubled down on that i might actually just purchase it like long term does it interesting
i've been because dbank only supports evm so i have to use dbank and sonar watch for solana
yes that's where i wanted one that was both and now that was like a explicit goal and cerebro and
and lighthouse were the two that that answered that okay dope
dope i'll send you a link if you're interested yeah you do like a seven-day trial just to plug
it in yeah yeah yeah send me the link speaking of airdrops when the hell is dbank and rabbi
brother you know you want to hear some points rainbow wallet I farmed that shit like a year and a half ago
I think I'm still like a top 50 points
person from doing some like
optimism bridge thing
and yeah not a fucking word
although I hear it's coming soon
I do know
actually deep bank I do know they're gonna
TGE somewhat soon like I saw
in a private OTC group
someone was selling like, pre-token
debank, so it's coming.
Oh, nice. What was the price like?
It was high. I forget what it was.
It was really high.
Damn.
Okay.
We may as well
get started.
So welcome everyone to the third episode of The Campfire.
I'm super stoked for today's guest, Bread Guy, who is basically the core spokesperson for MegaEth.
I'm joined here with my co-host Frosty.
For those who don't know, The Campfire is a bi-weekly spaces we
do it every friday afternoon and we basically just talk about um trench projects you know
shit coins bigger ecosystems but more focused on degen projects and it's more of a technical
um spaces you know i'm a dev myself frosty is dev myself. So we can dive into a little bit more
deeper things than the average spaces. So how we're going to do it is we're going to get
Bradguy to give a little introduction about himself. I want to hear his full origin story.
For those of you who don't know, Bradguy has been a big content creator for a long time. I've always liked his content.
What's special about him is I've noticed he always likes to go into a more technical overview of things,
more technical than the average person.
So I don't know if he's a dev or not.
And he recently joined a few months ago MegaEath to basically be their, I guess, their primary spokesperson slash shiller.
So I want to hear his origin story, and then we're going to dive right
into MegaEath. So without further ado, take it away.
Yeah, easy peasy. So you're right.
I do have a technical background, although I'm not a dev.
I went to school for computer science. I was in the web tool world.
I guess like this pseudo you know went to school for computer science i was uh in the web tool world is like uh um
i guess like this pseudo programmer like basically just like a script kitty i wasn't doing like deep
dev stuff i wasn't full stack or any of that stuff but i understood technical concepts and i basically
sat in a position between the actual devs right and like uh clinical staff it was in the healthcare
industry so like all of my day was like writing really high level
code scripts whatever logic singular things to implement stuff for like my own my own shit um
and then talking to the devs who are actually doing like the full stack stuff and then having
to go back to like clinical people and say like yo bro i know you want to move this button but you
can't fucking move that button and here's why you can't move that button and then like breaking it down so like I spent like 10
years doing that shit um which is why I got pretty good at talking about technical concepts uh to
non-technical people it's just something I enjoyed like and selfishly I do it to like educate myself
because I'm technical enough to get in trouble,
but I can't implement a lot of this shit until vibe coding came around.
So like,
I like digging into this stuff.
I like the technical conversation.
I like,
you know,
a lot of that.
And then I just like to,
to like try to level it up for the people around me who want to be more
technical,
but maybe don't have a background in it.
So that's why you see me doing the,
the technical breakdowns
of stuff because that's what actually fascinates me even if i can't implement it directly
and then like how it applies to to crypto specifically i just got in back in 2017 because
i was hanging out around like nerdy people back in the day uh when crypto katies popped off
and being in my industry we literally had to go live for my work and they were talking about the fucking cats on ethereum it's like i don't understand any of this shit it's like
i kind of squint and see it especially with like supply chain and like all these things
um like the actual like things we used to dream about the ico days and i was like i just bought
a bag and basically just disappeared for a while um because i was spending all my time on reddit and conversation wasn't as good as ct did that came
back in 2021 um and at that time still you know still in my old like web2 job um but i was nighting
or mid moonlighting moonlighting that's it i was moonlighting with um a couple of my dev buddies
because i saw what was going on i was like look i can't build this it's like you guys don't
understand crypto i don't i can't dev it's like It's like, you guys don't understand crypto. I don't, I can't dev.
It's like, let's pair up.
So I basically ran a dev team of people from Web2
who didn't give a shit about crypto,
didn't really understand most of it,
but they liked fucking around
and hacking up projects and shit.
And we basically dominated a smaller alt chain ecosystem,
trying to do our best,
basically just like implementing code
for people who couldn't do it.
So like we ran the dev shop. was nft launch pads and a marketplace and um like
aftermarket support to where like you know we launched them and then they'd like well we got
launched but we don't know how to do fucking anything it's like okay like you want to run
an event you want to do a burn event we can code the logic for it this is why you can't do this
this is what you can do and i would just like manage the the middle ground between that um did that for a long time about a year and a half two
years until i realized it's just the whole chain fucking sucked um like we were doing like 20 grand
in volume a day like it just it was not working it's like all right this is not sustainable like
so we sold off the project to like people in the ecosystem they hated me because i sold it off
and left and like i was abandoning everyone plus the chain like it's v chain like the people didn't
fucking understand anything um the actual foundation so i left the ecosystem lost faith in them came
back to ethereum and solana that whole time i was like still in the social circles of like um the
broader ecosystem so like the ethereums the solanas
the i was even hanging out in like cardano spaces and all these other fucking alt chains because
we had to band together multiverse x hedera hash graph um i did that so like i have logged a lot of
hours and a lot of um friends from these like niche ecosystems um and then after this was all while doing my day job did that for you know a
couple years and then at the end of 2023 my contract ran out in my my previous job and instead
of just finding another contract like i usually did i said fuck it i'm just gonna try to do this
thing full time and then this was after we sold the the business and i basically just like created
technical content to like continue to like grow my social presence selfishly learn about the industry even more debate people try to
like establish a voice in the place um did that for long enough that i joined uh mega eth and then
now yeah i'm like we don't really have roles because it's like it's still a small situation
so like yeah i'm kind of chief yapper i guess is what you call it like turning into like a cmo basically because again the team's pretty fucking small uh so i run a lot of the socials a
lot of the marketing a lot of the coordinating on the back end of like getting things coming forward
um yeah so it's like the the speed run so yeah that's a great intro and uh it really pays off
it's true it really pays off to be technical in this space.
Even if you're just like a little bit more technical than the average person, like your
content creation, your degening, everything is just 100x.
And good to know that you have experience like basically running small projects on a
degen chain.
I mean, that basically preps you for all of crypto.
Very few people have done that.
Do you know the meme where the guy's like,
brother, you missed everything?
It's like the reverse for you, Brett.
You were there for everything.
Yeah, man, I was a part of it.
I remember FTX collapsing.
I was trying to buy the gods at the time.
I remember fucking all this stuff.
I'm a huge podcaster too,
so I listened to just nonstop conversations the whole time while like fucking all this stuff so i'm a huge podcaster too so i listened
to just like non-stop conversations the whole time while i was doing the space of stuff shilling
villain running around doing stuff while our gobblers was was like fucking up everyone paradigm
was getting shit on like i i was there for all that um so yeah i've seen a lot i know you're og
when you said you were there for crypto kKitties, that was pretty awesome.
Yeah.
The next question is, bro, you're around then?
Why are you still working?
You should be rich as fuck, right? You've been around for six years or whatever.
They don't understand the culture, bro.
Yeah.
Okay.
Let's dive right into MegaEth now.
Give us a quick origin story about MegaEth.
I know a bit about the lore.
Obviously, it's all of our CT.
I know Brother Bing, who I just discovered was a girl recently.
I know about HotpotDAO.
Yeah, me too.
I know about the Fluffles.
But that's kind of about it.
So I'm wondering how MegaEth started.
Who were the founders? How big is the team team just give us a little bit of background lore
yeah it's a it's actually pretty simple it was like basically created by an autist and then he
recruited another autist to make a big super fucking mega fast evm state machine and then
they eventually had to turn that into a project so there's the like the actual
origin is from yelong um yelong lee he's the the ceo he is just a dude who phd from stanford like
in low latency systems um like like he just spends his career writing papers and fucking up data
centers with like getting things as fast as possible to go from a to b um he stumbled across um a paper way back in the day i don't know if it was the world computer one or
um end game maybe but he saw it and he was like he's like man he's like i'm seeing these people
do this shit he's like they're not optimized for like actually fast distributed systems he's like
they're they're not applying a lot of the logic you can actually apply to this stuff. So he saw that and he's like, all right, like, you know, measured the
EVM specifically. And he's like, look, I can optimize the fuck out of this thing. I want to
make it the biggest, the baddest. He did that. He had a couple of presentations on YouTube. You can
actually go back and look at, I think I tweeted a couple of them from the main account. But if you
like seeing like someone just break down the EVM and like how he would optimize it a couple of presentations on him doing that he literally called it mega roll up at the time
because like he just does not give a shit he was just like yeah i was just like i want to make a
big fast thing it's like mega roll up was like i can do this thing and then he realized that calling
it a roll up was actually wrong like he's just like i don't give a fuck what you call him he's
like i'm gonna make a big machine i think it's a roll up it's not whatever it's a it's a blockchain
um he eventually recruited because he needed someone on like the, the actual, like, uh, web three side,
the consensus side, just like understand some of that a little bit more. Um, uh, Le Yang,
who's the CTO who, you know, he co-wrote a paper with Sri Ram Khan on like data availability. He's,
uh, he was working with, um, with the Ethereum foundation early on and
like some grant research studies. He's got a, he's another guy who's just, uh, studied consensus,
uh, graduated MIT, like just another, again, another autist. Like you guys are just giga
brains, right? They paired up and like, okay, like you'll be the web three guy. I'll be the
fast web two dudes. Um, and we'll make this thing. So they started making it. They eventually need
to get on a business person. That's where they shu yao um after talking to their their initial investors
shu yao worked at consensus um that's brother bing um and then those three basically came
together to be like the three co-founders right so like she's the business side they're the
the um engineering side and basically that's just like the, the top level. Um, that's,
you know, they've been, shoot, I was building out her team. I'm, I'm working with her. I'm the CMO.
She's the, you know, the, the, I guess, chief business officer, uh, NAMIC and Amir also from
the industry just like started growing out her ecosystem. Um, and then same thing with Lay and
Yilong, they're basically just like recruited 20 engineers and they're basically just like putting the pedal to the metal on this thing um and that's all it is
it's just like it's a really small team we're staying really loose trying to stay uh um true
to crypto ethos right we're trying to just like effectively launch this thing um recognizing that
like a lot of things that have come to market over the last few years because like you know
it's another chain i get no one wants another chain uh so how can you do this stuff better um and you know you've seen the you mentioned the
fluff holes it's a way for us to come to market and actually like not just deliver something cool
technically but you know try to give the actual ecosystem exposure to it early on in day one
because that has been something that's been lacking for for a while uh yeah that's a it's
small small scrappy team we're trying to to keep it lean so that we can
present opportunities that most people don't get um anymore so yeah that's um that's good to know
it's a big team of cracked autists very bullish it's funny when you see these chains like on ct
i only see brother bing and you that's it so i suppose
i literally thought brother bing was just doing everything but um yeah yeah i literally been
trying to like recruit them and they're like like there's a few tweets of like like just them like
getting into some twitter fights with people um but mostly they just stay off it and i'll even try
to like loop them in with some stuff because i do think it's important to have mindshare which is
why they eventually brought me on um and like trying to
give them tweets that like are interesting to them like talking about whether it's you know some
client optimizations or consensus or whatever but they just it's just not what they do so i fight
the fight out here and thankfully i'm a little so that i can i can actually defend the chain
it's super hard for devs to vocalize, especially founder devs.
They're mostly focused on buildings.
To be on CT all day and to be chilling and defending MegaEath is tough.
You definitely need somebody like you.
It's a full-time job.
Tolly's an exception.
Tolly crushes it.
Let's move on to the technical nerds.
Give us a slight technical overview of mega eth um you said you got autist stanford phds working on it but you know what's like why do we need
another chain why are you different than other chains is the yeah like i don't know pitch us
from the pitch us from the technical side like what what is the point? Yeah. I mean, it's a bet on where you think the industry's going, right?
You look at, you look at what's successful now.
And you see things are starting to slide a little bit more direction or more in
the direction of, of user experience.
And some of that comes with making counter trend decisions in the
architecture of your actual, your actual chain.
One of those would be like again hyper
liquids running really hard these last few days like what are the some of the key decisions that
they made one it was that they are controlling their validator a little little uh little more
so they have better ux finding that there's a subset of the community that like doesn't give a
right you can um uh as long as it provides a better trading experience and like you can get
some guarantees from that they're like fuck yeah let's do this thing um so one is just like making the opinion
that you know ux above all and the other is you know especially in the ethereum community everything
is just like um i don't know how to say it's just decentralized everything like everyone everyone's
trying to apply the same principle to to basically every single chain that exists within all of the stacks that are Ethereum.
And with doing that, you take over some performance overhead that is frankly holding it back from competitors like a Solana of the world.
Solana came along and said, Ethereum guys, you over indexed on the values of being totally secure, totally decentralized, totally whatever.
And it costs you user experience. And by doing so, we're going to tackle this user experience thing. And in doing that, they've gained a lot
of market share, right? This whole idea that having a single state machine that controls
everything is the thing of value. Yulong and Lei basically said the same thing. It's like,
these people are going counter to everything. We can design a system that not only,
counter to everything we can design a system that not only um we can eschew uh consensus to
basically maximize the um responsiveness of the chain that's what we call ourselves a real-time
blockchain is like we are leveraging leveraging ethereum offloading consensus entirely with no
intention of ever bringing it back in and then just implementing a few mechanisms that were deployed in web two to make ourselves fast and also leveraging the properties
of ethereum to make sure we don't like totally lose everything whenever we make that decision
to not uh implement consensus right like you you talk about um you know you look at hyperliquid and
you go oh shit man like they're fast and they're performant, but they have, um, they're an L1. And in doing so, that means you have to have consensus. That
means you probably have to have a really tightly controlled, very, uh, coupled validator set.
That's all in a single, uh, sequencer or not sequencer, uh, data center in Japan. Like literally
that's their setup. Um, so that you can have issues like that Oracle, um, instance where they,
you know, collude to say, Hey, let's overwrite the Oracle price and defend HLP. Same thing with the SUI situation, right? It's very
tightly controlled validator set. You can coordinate things and you give up some of the
properties like censorship resistance and maybe even liveness because of that. Whereas if you
were to do that same implementation as an L2 and make those same decisions that say like UX matters
optimized for performance, you can preserve properties like censorship resistance and liveness because you're in ethereum l2 right and ethereum
is the very best thing that it is it it's the best consensus layer most decentralized so you should
leverage all that those properties of ethereum be a layer to operate uh a construction above that
which is like the rotating sequencer set which is what we have to try to maintain liveness and and
some censorship resistance properties but if that fails well you can bypass it entirely and go down to
mainnet and get full censorship resistance and force inclusion and all these things so it's just
it's like a you see where things are going but the solanas and the the hyperliquids of the world
aren't quite as good as they could be if they were in a layer two because some of the things that
they sacrifice to get their performance,
you can inherit from Ethereum.
So it's basically just like that decision, just within the Ethereum bubble.
And that's awesome, bro, because that's why I'm mostly Solana maxi for now,
and that's because user experience.
At the end of the day, the average person doesn't give a fuck
about decentralization and all that if the user experience sucks and you're right that's kind of
where it sucked and that's where solana took over and there are some l2 that did try but
they weren't that successful so it's pretty refreshing to see that you're doing this with MegaEast.
And I'm like super, super duper interested.
I'm not going to lie.
You know, what's kind of fucked up with my journey is like I came from the school of bank lists.
Like I was all in the Ethereum world.
I was like, man, like they're going to eat the world.
There's so many chains.
They're all pulling in the same direction.
I started tweeting a bunch. I'm like, you know what?'re going to eat the world. There's so many chains are all pulling in the same direction. I started tweeting a bunch and like, yeah, you
know what? Maybe value cruel kind of sucks. Like I see the blob thing happening. It's kind of,
it's going to fragment stuff. Like, I don't know if this is going to work out. And I was like,
you know, I think one giant fucking chain is more valuable than a thousand chains. Even if those
even if those thousand chains eat up like a higher portion of like the actual computer like global
thousand chains eat up like a higher portion of like the actual computer, like global demand,
demand right like if if solana were to take up 35 of all blockchain demand uh and then you like
gave up the other 65 to the entire ethereum ecosystem and some right i think it's easier
for value to accrue in the solana world because even though it's less in raw terms it is concentrated
more and that's better you get composability you get all these things so like i was i was on the cusp of just like like fuck off ethereum i can't see the
vision everyone's rerunning the playbook with like decentralizing the sequencer which is basically
just building an l1 on top of the l1 it's like like this is stupid like you have there's no
structural difference there you're just like doing this like virtue signaling shit um and then that's when i saw i read the negi white
paper i was like oh okay so it's like it's it is it is the same um monolithic giant single state
machine idea except inside of the modular world and because it's in the modular world it can be
bigger and badder and faster right like we don't have to deal with the laws of physics of consensus, right?
So we can have the same exact end goal,
the IBRL shit as Solana,
but we don't have consensus,
which means like we can do the,
like again, real time is the tag.
Like whenever you play that crossy fuffle game,
we don't have the laws of physics fighting against us
to settle something, right?
It's instantly guaranteed.
And we can give that back to you.
The entire round trip of our our transaction
life cycle is measured in the hundreds of milliseconds like done final in your back pocket
versus these other chains where like um i get the pushback i get with solana because svm they do
they do shredding right which means like in the evm world you can't get the state back from the
chain until uh it's executed right right? The block is produced.
It's propagated throughout the network.
They do continuous block production.
So like they're constantly streaming transactions out.
But the problem is because they have consensus, their failure rates like 98 are not failure
rate, but the failure rates like one to 2%, right?
Which means apps can't actually ingest the information that's produced in these blocks
because there's like one or 2% that like it doesn't actually hit, which means if you're
a trader and you're like, oh i just fucking bagged this thing and they
in the application was to show you that well that one or two percent again because consensus it's
nothing like it's just a natural part of consensus you have you have to wait for some of that unless
you try to more tightly control it like you can't do that it's a bad user experience right you don't
want to be told something's true and then it's no longer true at a two percent hit rate um but we
don't have that problem we can get rid of it entirely we can give you feedback even faster and it's 100 true because
of the the ways that we can leverage uh ethereum so it's like yeah it's just everything but better
because it's within the bubble but it's still counter because we don't plan on we don't care
about playing nice with other chains like we're just going to be the biggest baddest chain and
we're just going to kind of use ethereum for what it does best and We're just going to be the biggest, baddest chain. And we're just going to kind of use Ethereum for what it does best.
And then we're going to be the best execution environment.
Yeah, I totally agree with the whole centralization
versus decentralization paradigm.
I mean, the ETH Maxis took it way too far
with the centralization.
Nobody cares.
So I guess MegaETH is going to be like
the biggest, fastest centralized EVM chain.
Now, is there any existing evm chain that comes close or similar to the performance of mega evm no it will not be um
it won't even be close right so it's like the i mean there's some that are trying right like there
i think there's some novel approaches you know monad is the closest l1 they're like a tenth of what we're going for right they're 10 000 dps
we're going for 100 000 dps 10 gigas like it's it's orders of magnitude higher and then there's
some other pre-broad chains that are also trying to like punch with us um but most of them get in
the fights of doing like they're they're a sharded chain right they have like oh we have 65 instances
running and if you tabulate we have 65 instances running.
And if you tabulate all the 65 instances going at the same time,
then technically our TPS is 100 million gajillion.
And I don't think that's the same thing.
It's like, I want a single box that runs, you know,
as fast as humanly possible.
And we're basically constrained by data availability and bandwidth
and then our hardware.
Interesting. Yeah, that's super bullish. I'll have to see it to believe it. I'm always skeptical
of stuff. I mean, the TPS stuff really doesn't matter to me. What matters to me is how the end
experience feels. How long does it take for a transaction to land? How long does it take for
a swap to land? In all my degenning so far, it has been Solana.
That's the fastest.
And I don't think anything comes close.
So even base, you've got to wait two, three seconds for something to land.
So right.
It's a nightmare.
So ours are our round trip time.
Like you can go play crossy fluff and just like get a sense of it.
But our round trip time is aiming to be like assuming you're in America.
You can do that within a couple hundred milliseconds. Pretty, pretty pretty consistently that's the goal executed and back to you that's
awesome bro like honestly I mean I know as doesn't care about TPS but I kind of do and the reason why
is when you market something and when people are gonna are gonna come to your chain and compare it
to other chains like Solana and they they're going to have all these articles.
I don't know if you guys remember 2021.
There was like the killers of Ethereum articles.
And there was like Solana versus AVAX versus maybe FTM.
And so I could see MegaEat being in the article.
And people are going to use the TPS to be like, hey, buy my shitcoin.
And I'm going to use TPS to be like, buy my coin and i'm i'm gonna use i'm gonna use tps to be like hey mega
eats awesome and it's gonna outperform so you guys buy this coin that i was early to okay
yeah dude so that's the that's the juggle i've had to do too because like i'm a i'm a stat nerd dude
so like if you're doing evm the the better metric is like em gas of throughput or giga gas of throughput, because that measures the complexity and not just the raw transaction.
If I do a transaction that is 500 million gas and then a transaction that's a transfer, those things are one is way, way, way, way, way heavier and more computationally heavy than the other.
computational, uh, computationally heavy than the other, right? So they're not equivalent.
So they're not equivalent.
So if you do it with MGAS, you can actually get a sense of like, not only just like the
singular transactions, but just basically this, the load the system can hold. And like, like I
said, on testnet now, the load that we can hold relative to the other rollups, we had, uh, uh,
we had a dude that minted 500,000 NFTs in a single transaction. Our single transaction limit is one gig of gas. And that is that alone is if you take all of the, all of the rollups, that's base
arbitrum, scroll, optimism, world coin, all of those things, and add them together, you would
still have to times them by a hundred X to get what we're doing on testnet today, which is like
one 10th of what we're aiming to do by mainnet. It's impossible to talk to these people
and for them to actually understand the scale
that the team is trying to achieve
because we're making the decisions that we're making.
How many million gases in the giga gas?
One giga gas is 1,000 mgas, right?
So if base is at 35 today,
they have to, if they 10x right now, they're at 350 and there's still one third
of what we'll do. I'm sorry. Our TPS right now is 1.7 giga gas right on testnet. We're aiming for
10 giga gas by mainnet. Right now with BASE's mainnet, if they 10X'd, they would be at 350 they would have to whatever the fuck math that is what is
that 50 exit from there 30 or 30 yeah 30x to get it to our current test net uh throughput
yeah that that is wild but i saw the 500k transactions thing like yeah that's
that nobody is doing it like this so we'll we'll i'm excited and curious
to see what kind of people build on top of this um let's let's move on to talk about building now
and the builder ecosystem um i know you guys have mega mafia which is like your incubator type
cabal type thing i see i see um a lot of like uh cool like brand name apps like Noise.
You have the Showdown game.
So I want to ask generally,
how are apps and builders going to take advantage
of this 100x gas situation?
What are they going to be doing differently
than existing EVM chains?
And for new devs wanting to build
and wanting to cook on mega ETH.
What do you suggest?
Yeah, honestly, it's like the throughput.
I think we're actually approaching this position where I think our capacity, like the actual
TPS and the gigas, that's impressive.
Those numbers sound cool.
But I mean, man, Solana's cooking right now at 700 to 1300 TPS.
It's oscillating there.
So it's like honestly what we
can do or what we're going to be able to do is overkill we're our oracle alone uh the oracle
that's going to be on our our chain we have to partner with some we have to partner with a lot
of things to actually be able to to make things um work for our chain because it's so fucking
different it's so fast the day it's so data intensive it's so all these things our block
times are 10 milliseconds right like that's fucking that is
what is that base is a thousand two thousand milliseconds right now so we're 10 so you know
we're a hundred x uh faster than base even when base influence flash blocks which is the thing
that they're touting they're still going to be 20x slower than us um so we have a we have an oracle
that is going to have it's a push oracle so it'll be on chain for all of our apps to use a push Oracle that's in every single one of our mini blocks. So that
means without any users whatsoever, day one, we're pushing 400 TPS, like zero people on the chain,
just because we have a push Oracle on the chain. And when I say all this stuff is like TPS is kind
of like yesterday's fight. So it's, i think with our capacity being tens of thousands to
upwards of 100 000 tps i think it's gonna take a while to fill that shit up the thing that excites
me is the actual uh the block times like how responsive it is like how fast whenever you send
a transaction to us we execute it and get it back to you right like that's the differentiator that
solana and uh you know solana sui mon, Ethereum, anything that has consensus literally cannot compete with
because of physics, right?
Because they have a permissionless validator set that has to communicate, that has to agree
on something.
It just physically takes time for shit to go.
So if I was a builder trying to come to the chain, it's trying to leverage the responsiveness
and how quick the actual chain is, right?
Like two examples of that.
One, we have a decentralized VPN network
that's building on the chain.
And what's actually on the chain for them
is the registries that maintain the nodes.
And there's two hops that are required
to establish connection to someone else
that's permissionlessly providing a server for the network.
And because the chain is so fast, right?
Again, the time to update the registry,
see who's available, do all that stuff, is within 100, right? Again, the time to update the registry, see who's
available to all that stuff is within 100, 200 milliseconds, depending on where you are.
It's instantaneous, right? It doesn't even, it's on par with Web2 stuff, which means now you can
run a VPN and you can sit there and dynamically and instantaneously update the registry and
constantly switch between these hops of the nodes that are in the network and run a VPN service,
right? Like, could you imagine having a VPN and like the registry was there and you had to wait
two seconds for the registry to update and then you to switch and then you do whatever. Like,
you can have these like real-time interactions. Sorry, sorry, you're on muted, Frosty.
No, that's crazy, bro. Like, that's crazy fast to have a VPNpn chain um and i have to say like the speeds is impressive
because i came up with an idea i shared it to heisenberg i never got around it and it's it's
basically how do you bring simulation especially ai simulation but with a blockchain end. So it's not alterable.
And so you can't skew the data.
It's absolute.
And I was like, put it on MegaEat.
And so you can do simulations with the blockchain backend and just have your data simulated so quickly on MegaEat.
I think it's only possible on MegaEat.
And I was doing the code. I sent it to heisenberg i think and and that's kind of impressive like you can imagine
like people doing ai simulations or real world data being input so quickly and mega eat is so
fast that you can just instantaneously have that shit yeah yeah well that's like that's kind of like you it's opening
up a new world where you can potentially leverage the chain in it like it's just complimentary to
whatever it is you're trying to do and not like uh something that you have to build around because
it can potentially be hindrance to the actual front end like we have a a team that is building
um it's a guest best right it's basically like a
swap game where it has like uh instant settlement of prediction markets right you're presented with
two cards you have to choose the one that you think everyone else did so it's a little bit like
a is it a cambrian beauty contest um kinesian beauty contest so you choose the picture that
you think everyone else chose like two sex positions is like one that they like to do
and you have to choose which one you think everyone else chose, like two sex positions is like one that they like to do. And you have to choose which one you think everyone else chose
out of this dude, no context whatsoever.
And every time you do this, you know, you choose it,
it says, oh, you chose right, you chose wrong.
And then you just keep doing that, right?
And it's like literally like a Tinder swipe,
like is the actual UI.
And every one of those are transaction on chain
because you don't have to sit there and wait
that it actually confirms.
It's just instantaneous.
You just do the swipe, it's cool.
So you actually have this like fluid experience that you can actually do.
And now all that stuff is logged on chain and you can actually play it.
And it's not a,
it's just an additive thing to the experience where now you have that stuff
on chain and people can access it and they can build around it.
Another one is like a euphoria,
which is a tap trading game where they're taking basically options on chain
and they are gamifying the actual
things i think i don't know what the game was called on on blast but like you know you can see
the actual thing going up and down for price and you have to predict like which square is actually
going to cross through um and if you do right you you're uh you're uh you make the money right you
win um but imagine doing like a tap trading game wherever you tap on the screen and you had to wait for that to confirm on the backend, right? Like it, it says there and it
spins and you get the pop-up that says, cool, your transactions in, man, just give it a second.
And then like, okay, thank you. Now you can go confetti flies and whatever. It fucking sucks,
right? Like we have all these things that are built into like typical crypto interactions,
like literally modals that pop up and say hey we know you submitted a transaction please just wait
for this thing like you can actually read words like our our chain confirms so fast you can't
read the words like you like the ui does no longer make sense to even pop up the modal because you
don't have time to pop up the modal it looks like your screen flickered right so it's like you we
people need to fundamentally rethink how they're actually building these crypto games because it's
so responsive and like the flows don't make sense anymore in this paradigm um i'm thinking beyond crypto games i'm thinking like
real life data sciences i'm thinking yeah everything traffic congestion data like
that that shit is skewed by governments and now you can't because if you put the traffic lights
online on on chain yeah yeah yeah like imagine. Like you imagine this is the future.
This is the future of crypto.
This is the shit we dream about when we, when we read decentralization and
blockchain technology.
We unironically were looking back in 2017 at like the ICO scams that like
everyone came up with when they were like, you know, wide-eyed and bushy
tailed and we're like, oh, we can do whatever we want.
And then we were like, and this is kind of impractical to put everything on chain what like maybe it didn't
work out so like ideas like the crazy yeah put the traffic lights on chains like fuck it maybe
we can now like why not yeah why not like that's awesome like i would if i mean i don't know who's
your marketing team but i would definitely market myself as that like put everything on chain bro put put
your girlfriend on chain too yeah this might be a new paradigm where instead of like having
traditional sql databases like fuck it get rid of it just put everything on chain if uh if you know
it is indeed that fast and responsive yeah i mean the thing that's like to consider like the overhead we have is that we,
like storage is a problem, right?
That's always gonna be the big bugaboo with us.
State growth is gonna be crazy, right?
So like our sequencer is literally running,
gonna be like 100 terabytes of storage
and like all that state is gonna be held in RAM
to make it even faster.
Like they're optimizing it literally every instance of this stuff.
And then they're coming up with a peer-to-peer network
to make sure they can like actually support the network.
People can run nodes.
Like we're doing some node specialization stuff.
So like storage, it's...
You're going to participate?
Yeah, I love node shit, bro.
I love doing node shit.
I love like lending my shit out
and getting like more content.
This is a question I had for you at the end of the show but you already answered it we're doing a we're doing a novel
approach to that too like whenever i mentioned the one giga gas um single transaction again like
computation is going to be incredibly cheap on the chain which is just gas right that's why we
have the one giga gas transaction but you can only do that if the node, like the actual node network around it can keep up
with it, right? Like if, if all the full nodes can't process a one gig transaction, then it's
going to fall out of line. You can't do the block. You can't keep up with the block times, right?
It's, it's not great. So what we did is when we have full nodes, which is a little higher spec,
it's still lower than like a Solana of the world, but they're a little higher spec.
But then we have another double combo of which is called node specialization where we took
a full node and split it into two different roles where we have basically an entire cluster of
proofer nodes very light they're basically like raspberry pies that just statelessly validate
all of the blocks independently so instead of like all like the one machine validating all
blocks we scatter the blocks across all of these machines
and then they generate proofs
and send them over to a second node,
which is the replica node.
And this thing just receives state diffs from the sequencer
so it doesn't have to compute very much.
And then the proofs from the prover network.
And then like all of these things in conjunction
are basically as provide the same guarantees
as like a full node,
but they're all way, way, way,
that they're even lower than Ethereum specs. So like now our network can grow even more all permissionless
people can run them and do all this validation themselves. And our network can grow faster and
easier while we're doing like crazy, crazily heavy computation out of the sequencer. And then
something for you is, as you might like, is like our contract limits, like our contract limits,
because compute is as cheap as 512 kilobytes like we're just blowing the numbers out of the water
yeah super bullish super bullish okay i just got like one question so one of the issues right
with a lot of deep in uh those deep in uh projects they didn't have demand but now you do and so like do you have a
deep end provider for mega eat or are you just going to be like your own what do you mean by
deep end provider uh so like take a look at rivals ai rivals ai had people like lend their terabytes and their ram and stuff oh gotcha yeah it just
it was like easy to use user interface as opposed to as opposed to like running a full node they
just had an easy graphical user interface and you could just lend it out uh so would it be like that
that's i mean we're gonna run some of our own machines i don't think we'll have a full network
to like rent out to people.
But again, I have posted a few times the Node specs.
I can actually send them over if it's something you think will be interesting.
We anticipate them being super, super low, at least for the replica approver setup.
So, I mean, that might interest you.
Yes.
Is it incentivized?
No, nothing's firmed up yet.
But this is actually one of the things I'm excited about,
because especially with L2s, because everyone goes to the useless GovToken situation,
we have a lot more things at our disposal because our network is a little more complex than your traditional.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, send it i will run it i will run a note myself
even if it's not incentivized like i'm always for the future of blockchain and supporting those
things yeah we're getting a lot of things like that i want to we're like i said we're gonna run
up our own and then we're working with like quick note and a few other providers to get some like
high-end ones and then it'll just be permissionless from there
high-end ones and then it'll just be permissionless from there
oh okay we're coming up on 45 minutes so just one last quick question and then we'll open up
to q a if there is any q a the last question is for the dgens that want to get exposure want to
get an airdrop who want to farm how do we get involved i know you guys have a test net i know
you guys have publicly stated the test net is not worth any points or airdrop many people are skeptical about that statement but um yeah what
what do you have to say to the dgens and the farmers that want to get some exposure
so um i'm putting something in your comments right now so you guys may know ultra ultra is uh Ultra. Ultra is, you know, that's how you come on mute. You're familiar, yes?
Yes. Dashboard GCR. Ultra.
Yeah, that's probably the best way to describe them. So, you know, Ultra is a huge advocate for the ecosystem. He's really cool. He's actually been teasing he might be doing something for mafia too um which would
be awesome to have him like deeper ingrained in the ecosystem um he has a dashboard um surprisingly
called fluffle.tools and it literally has everything you can do on the testnet it has a
api call to both of our our nft marketplaces so you see as down there in the audience, he's from Kingdomly.
Kingdomly and Rarible are often running mints for us on Testnet.
So you can go to either of those.
It'll tell you when one's coming up and which ones are aftermarket for the ones that have
already minted.
There's several applications.
It also has guides on all of the applications that are live on Testnet and then things you
can do at each one of them, which ones are and are not mafia,
which ones are and are not live. Um,
it's just really up to date and, and, uh,
it does a pretty good job of giving you the lay of the land when it comes to
the ecosystem broadly. So I would say just dabble in there.
There's plenty of opportunities, um,
unannounced that will be coming here soon.
We have to button up a few more things, but, um,
we did the fluffles and for anyone for the audience who doesn't know what a fluffle is, it was, uh, us selling 5,000 NFTs that come with,
uh, a portion of the network. Like we worked to make sure explicitly that we said, Hey,
uh, if you, if you purchase one of these things, you go through the right process,
you're on the whitelist, then you will get a stake in the ownership of the network once we we get to that point we have another phase of that coming um and you'll get details around that
whenever it's announced and we don't anticipate that being much longer and that's yeah we try to
be explicit with it we don't want to do like the the like wink wink nod nod stuff because like
that's kind of fucked up i have my fluffle bro i my... It was hard to mint. It was hard to mint a Fluffle like that.
Yeah, we kind of fucked that up, if I'm being honest.
So quickly.
No, it's just the demand.
It was the demand of Fluffle.
I couldn't even get...
I couldn't get on the Fluffle whitelist.
I wanted to mint.
So I'm glad that you say there's a second phase now.
Yeah, but we're going to use it for...
Everything that we're doing,
we recognize that
like the chain is fucking nothing right you need applications which is why we did the mafia
accelerator um we're still putting all of our weight behind them and doing whatever we can to
literally help those guys um those girls those teams come to market so you know again we'll have
more details whenever it's announced but we said it in the initial uh initial launch of fluffles
that the second half of them will come from uh distribution from the actual mafia teams so
we're letting them utilize that to uh bootstrap their communities get growth like try to drive
like actual usage to their protocols um we're just you know we we want to try to empower apps
as best we can which is again while we're doing mafia 2. I think the fluffles themselves it's kind of fun to use because uh you have this like this kind of
mini game where you can like chat and play with it. I was so sad when my wallet got compromised
but then I was so glad they couldn't move my fluff. Okay cool so yeah you're willing to talk to hyzen yeah yeah i talked okay
cool good yeah we're aware of that stuff and we're gonna to try to make it right with the people that
can can acknowledge that beforehand nice nice you guys are awesome bro so well that was the last of
our uh questions if anybody wants to raise their hand to ask a question for Brad,
please do so now.
Yeah, and I realized I just dropped a link to my homie,
but I didn't actually like address his question.
So Fruits, he's in here, cool.
So he said, I have a question.
Why every new chain says they're the fastest one?
It's because, well, mostly most of them
think they're faster than the last iteration. Most of are it's just like at some point you hit a
threshold of like good enough uh and i'm frankly i'm i'm bearish on just like someone doing like
the next thing that's just like a little bit better than the previous thing i wouldn't have
joined this team if it was just like a little bit better than a solana or a little bit better than a
base i joined it because it was like magnitudes
better than stuff and it's like it's a paradigm shift it's a bet on a bet on the where the market
is going so that's why everyone says that he says i don't really give a fuck if my transaction takes
one or two seconds is that just a marketing or what i feel like no one gives a fuck about speed
uh you'd be wrong sir i i put that link in there game mega.com. It shows you the difference, uh, of the experience you can actually get.
If you have like 10 millisecond blocks versus, you know, even 200 millisecond blocks.
This is what like basis ambitions are versus, you know, uh, 500 millisecond block, which
is what Monad is.
Uh, and those people can only get so fast.
So like, it shows you just like what, what the experience can actually be.
This way it's a learning tool. It's not meant to like be demonstrative of like what the experience can actually be. It's a learning tool.
It's not meant to like be demonstrative of like how you should implement a game because it's dumb to make every transaction on chain.
But it just shows you what it can be.
Nice.
One more question from me.
I'm just asking this for the farmers in the groups and some other groups who can't make it but they want me to ask.
Is there any incentivization currently for farmers, obviously,
to get into MegaEath beyond Fluffle?
Yeah, I mean, like I said, we're trying our best to not play that game.
If you look at, like, we have a Kaido board,
we have a test set and stuff, but none, um, you know, we have a test
set and stuff, but none of our comms and none of our communication will ever be to try to
like get people to farm us or farm the farm, the chain.
Like some of that stuff is useful, but it's just, I think it's, it's low, low quality,
right?
It's like the same thing with discord, like explicitly told people that, Hey, like don't
farm us, no rewards, no rewards, no rewards.
Like, so, you you know we're constantly looking
for ways to distribute value to people and we try to isolate people who give value to us
i don't think farming uh explicitly just like for farming sake is is useful but there are things you
can do so if you think you're just doing something of value whether it's socially or or on chain
developing or transacting interacting um yeah we you, we have to distribute stuff when we're looking for people to give it to, but no explicit
targets to hit.
Nice.
And I agree.
I think farming, the farmers come and they go and they leave your chain, Byron.
So I think that approach that you're doing is pretty good.
That's just some feedback and looking forward to it.
Appreciate it. Yeah yeah they break the chain
which is good got a question from the rhk
where is it at it's up top no well no i added him as a speaker
yeah give me some hard ones i don't know why is uh why is ethereum going to zero
like that kind of shit like that that's, they had some fun.
Yeah, RHK, you're a speaker. Go ahead.
Oh, oh, all right. You can just call me Yankee. I wasn't like the wrong project. So, all right. Better just to call it Yankee.
I didn't understand what you were talking about.
I just personally didn't understand that you were talking about me.
Oh, good.
Oh, good. Oh, good.
Okay.
So, hello, Brett.
Hello, all of you here.
I have a question.
I was working while you were discussing the CPS amount and the comparison between MegaF
to MegaEF, if sorry with other chains and you were mentioning that the closest
thing to mega if is probably the monad but i was thinking about um i remember you did a cross
waffle when you were trying to like break the blockchain with the amount of uh transactions
and the closest thing that pops into my mind
something related like cross-fluffle is somnia so what do you think can be somnia somehow be
related or maybe collect with in the future with maybe if so so i like um i forget the guy that i'm following it's like I have a love-hate relationship with him because one founder is like,
he's the bad cop, the other one's the good cop.
Or one's really good.
He's, you know, he's out, he's in the community,
he's talking to people.
That's a great blockchain.
But their construction is very similar
to the one I was talking about before,
where he's like, yes, it's a performant blockchain,
but it's just fundamentally a different design
where ours is, we're not deviating
from a single state machine
and everything being composable atomically composable so instantly available in the vm all
this stuff whereas their chain is like the 50 lane or 50 lane highway and they say oh if you
add up all the 50 lanes then we can do a gajillion gajillion tps um which is you know fine for a lot
of instances and they're doing great. So I will say like,
yes, they are a performant chain.
It is not performant in the way
that I think chains
are where the industry is ultimately going.
So I would not equate us
in the claims that they have
versus the claims that we have.
I think they explicitly call
like a million TPS
is what they try to do,
which is like just breaks
like bandwidth basically for everything.
So good blockchain uh good guys or at least one of them is good guy uh and then like working with them i don't
like we don't really work with any other blockchains other than just like it's nice to to help lift up
the industry a little bit and put stuff out in the world.
I mean, yeah. And Sonya is more like a gamify chain. They're trying to up their TPS, as you said, with different lines. But I don't think that it can be somehow related to the megaEF.
I mean, yeah, like I said, there's's single box like it's like that they do the math
of you know the 100x times 100x equals a million x thing like a single box is like basically on par
with uh i think it's probably like in the range of a solana um and then they just have a bunch of
those that inter interoperate so it's not too different than like avalanche or avalanche has
oh we have a bunch of chains if you and they all have a native communication layer just like ibc and cosmos and because they technically
can communicate and because you can reduce the time of them communicating and because it's native
you can technically stack up all the tps it's the same way as like again even further down that
stretch you the dashboards that you see like you see see Ethereum TPS and it includes base. Like that doesn't count to me, right?
The base has base TPS.
Ethereum has Ethereum TPS.
And for you to, to stack those together and say Ethereum or quote unquote has the combined
TPS, like that doesn't, I don't like that.
And that's not what we're striving for.
So it's like, we wouldn't have a single state machine that, that pumps it out.
But you know, I could ultimately be wrong.
I just, I think this is where the industry is going.
I'm not going to lie.
I was skeptical about maybe ETH being another layer too.
But having spoken to you today, I'm fully sold on like the idea of having ETH with an amazing user experience like no other.
And that's what we need.
And so, I mean, I'm going to deep dive this ecosystem right now.
Have you fucked around with HyperEVM or HyperCore or any of that shit?
HyperLiquid broadly?
Not as yet.
Just traded, but I haven't developed anything.
I'm just been coding my AI agent
stuff but
I do need
to do an AI
simulation agent
and I do think MegaEath is going
to be that solution in the future.
If you need help, I'll
juice you up with ETH and I'll connect you with all the
right people like our devrel and set up a group chat
so you have whatever you need um just so you can fuck
around i think i've been doing this more than as fun as you came on you're playing around on
hyper liquid right yeah a little bit a little bit i think uh it's a crazy cult over there
it's a crazy fucking cult over there.
Yes.
And just so much,
I think like performance wise,
like obviously they're not,
Hyper EVM is not going for that,
whatever,
million gas type high throughput thing.
They're going through more interesting stuff
is their interplay between Hyper EVM and Hyper Core,
like being able to have two layers,
an order book layer,
and then like a chain layer and being able to bridge easily between the two and being able to have two layers, an order book layer and then like a chain layer
and being able to bridge easily between the two
and being able to call actions like place bids, etc.
on HyperCore via HyperEVM is really cool.
That's their distinction.
I don't think any team has really taken advantage
of the HyperCore stuff yet,
probably because they haven't implemented too much of it yet.
But yeah, that's like i think the only hitters on on evm right now base hyper evm and like that's it uh so yeah there's there's yeah the the reason i ask is because like i
i'm starting to view that construction like these two separate but still
kind of singular entities like they're a little more closer intertwined but like you have this
this base layer super slow provides tooling for them it's like you know you mentioned you can
provide even some some lower level defy stuff that works through where they builder codes i think
they call them that to interoperate with what's on the core side and i but the core side is the hyper performant um it's permission so like you
can't even develop her over there but like you maybe if you do a hip you can actually get in
but it's hyper hyper opinionated hyper performant um really great ux uh i kind of view that kind of
similar to what we're doing here right like you have mega or you
have ethereum which is like this lower level thing slow provide services for us security it's
whatever and then yeah security decentralization liveness all that stuff and then it it has a
second layer above it that is hyper performant hyper conducive to a good ux all of these
opinionated takes to optimize for a
generalized EVM
environment, except ours is permissionless.
Anyone can develop on our hyper core,
which is MegaEth. You can come
and you can build your own
hyper liquid because it's permissionless.
I wish I could
put money in MegaEth right now.
I can move all my mainnet EAT into MegaEat ecosystem.
Soon.
Soon, bro. Soon.
Yeah, always soon.
I mean, you can already put your money into it just if you have a nice invite.
I mean, you can log the mind shirt that's yeah that's true
yeah that's uh are you playing on that yankist
i was actually thinking about getting into it but i don't have an invite i would love to try it
so these guys are like they've been gatekeeping the the codes too much i need i'm trying to get the prior from their hands yes that's what i'm talking about i saw a post from tim when infinix popped
up that he trying to along it and there wasn't too much attention around it so he basically tanked
his whole deal right after the deal has closed the internet just pumped up. They went on the Kaido leaderboards and I think he followed for a little bit of time
after that.
So for you, Frosty, and as I don't know if you guys have seen it, but Noise is one
of the mafia projects that basically takes the Oracle data from Kaido or takes Kaido's
data, oracleizes it, and then allows you to basically bet a derivative on it.
So take a long or short on the actual Kaido mind share. takes kaito's data oracleizes it and then allows you to to basically bet a derivative on it so
take a long or short on the actual kaito mindshare wow no i have not seen it but i i'm gonna look at
it now yeah i saw it but i didn't actually i didn't know it relied on kaito oracle data which
is dope i thought yeah i didn't know where they were getting their data from, but that's Web3 interoperability.
Trying.
Yes, yes.
Yeah, because it's not actually financialized, right?
Typically, you run the derivatives or the long short stuff
on top of an actual financial product
so you can have some collateral backing it
and then play on top of that.
So they're actually trying to create a net new asset
of doing this stuff on top of just an Oracle mindshare,
a derivative of anything.
So the fact that it could be manipulated is scary for people,
so it needs to be really, really well done.
And Kaido's already having to deal with basically people manipulating that all the time,
so they're constantly working on it.
And the noise team wouldn't be able to devote the energy
to creating the actual derivatives on top of it,
working with market makers, all that stuff,
and trying to defend from people spamming that kind of thing.
And then obviously you can,
the hope is they can spread it out over additional oracles.
Like say you get a few of these mindshare instances
and then, you know,
you can manipulate all three of them simultaneously.
So you kind of get a little bit of a reduced exposure to to one being gamed i think for this weekend i'm going to
turn myself into a mega eat maxi this takes an hour to get pilled pilled by bread get pilled and
and learn some dev stuff and just deploy some cool shit.
Because the fact that you're so fast opens up a whole new world of possibilities.
And I'm pretty sure anybody who's tuned into this space is now basically a mega-eat maxi.
Because you're fast.
You're so fast.
And you're user experience oriented.
That's amazing.
And EVM equivalent. and your user experience oriented like that's amazing and evm equivalent like there hasn't
been an outlet for for evm devs to like buck around and find out like in the performance
vertical like everything is like kind of there but like not awesome like no there's no ecosystem
where you can go in the evm world where it's like it is a hundred percent for the users like for
speed for like we had 7702 live before it was even implemented
in pectra because we wanted our apps to be able to like try to work with it kind of fucked up
because the walls weren't ready for it but you know we're the teams and all the all the mafia
teams are totally pilled on like trying to abstract the chain as much as possible um to just make it just a good app.
Right.
Sounds good.
Okay, super bullish on Mega EVM.
Thank you, Brad, for coming on.
I've been impressed by your ability to talk about technical things
as a non-dev.
That's actually, yeah,
I think very few people can do that.
Most devs, I mean, yeah,
99% devs cannot talk about tech
at this level but that was uh
very informative so thank you for coming on appreciate it man it was fun it's gonna be
funny when you see the articles that eat killers and you see solana but then you see mega eat
and it's not actually a killer yeah man it's like yeah we're waiting for it like you can't chirp
too much because it's still test net but and it takes time to build up an ecosystem we're ready
that we're aware of that so it's honestly just like trying to hit mainnet hoping for q3 and then
you know yeah soon soon i'm always i'm always a natural skeptic you know i don't see it i don't
believe it until i see it so until mega mainnet comes out and i'm playing around with apps and i feel the speed it's all i consider it all a larp um but you know
we'll see the safest position man you're you're a dev so you know you turn over a timeline and
you should double it immediately exactly okay 2026 mega eath q1 all right all right boys okay
thanks guys bye good space Q1. All right, boys. Okay. Thanks, guys.
Bye.
Good space, please.
