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The Conversation
Recorded: July 13, 2025 Duration: 2:13:04Space Recording
Short Summary
The Noetic Order is launching as a new community focused on ethical collaboration in the crypto space, emphasizing growth, partnerships, and innovative funding strategies. This initiative aims to create a high-signal environment free from political distractions, fostering productivity and engagement among crypto enthusiasts.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Hi! Testing, testing.
It's working.
Let's add a few people up.
I had to kind of
see if we get everybody in.
Welcome to the conversation, everybody.
Welcome, Daniel.
So let me just add a few other people in, and then we'll get this started.
So this is kind of like a special edition of the conversation,
given that we are also launching other things as it's coming along.
One thing that's happening is that we're launching this thing that's called the Noetic Order.
Now, of course, I already renamed the community last week, right? Kind of just to
pre-mine it. So yeah, now we're just like kind of being more official about it. I'm going to publish
a article about what it is on the alt account and also where to like go and what it is and what we're
going to kind of like be doing. And one of the things we have is also like content creators in
there as well. And like Daniel is one of them. We even have Nick there as well, but I think he's like down there.
I'm just like sending him an invite.
Also like get TVD up as well, just in case, because he's one of the mods inside of the
community and inside of our thing that's a discord server, right?
We kind of like want to have both things as well.
We are doing that also for the purposes of onboarding, because like we want it to go
two ways, right?
Because like some people, for instance, they don't have x.com and they aren't familiar with spaces so we're going to like take the
we're going to take like say people for instance into the discord sphere and then bring them to x
and that's like one of the gains one of the things that we have because like what we found
is there's this problem there's this problematic worrisome trend that exists at current which is
that things are way too politicized right and? And so, for instance, sometimes having an X account is a little bit politicized, but
people do, in fact, have, like, you know, say, a Discord account, right?
And so, like, what if you could take, you know, that into consideration and go, like,
well, what if we just onboarded you into the concept of the community from Discord into,
like, X and vice versa?
Like, we could just see how that exactly, know goes along because the concept of the community operates outside of what is the traditional kind of like
political landscape we're kind of keep it that way because politics just kind of like waste a lot of
time they're very low signal low utility type of activity and the actual thing that's like high
utility and high signal gets drowned out by all the people who would rather focus on politics than actually getting shit done. Right. And so kind of as a response to that,
I decided to like have this thing called the noetic order in which we all kind of work by ethics
and not religion and not politics. So it's like, are you an ethical being? That's really it. And
those ethics are defined as whatever is good for humanity effectively. So I'm going to drop the article in a bit, actually.
Ah, there's Nick.
Welcome, Nick. Nick is, like, one
of the people from, he runs
a very interesting
group chats, as well as doing
tech news reporting. Like, imagine
if TechCrunch was good,
that's what, like, Nick is, right? He's like,
TechCrunch was actually capable of crunching tech.
Nick, you want to speak or are you kind of protective of your voice?
He disappeared.
Is he still there?
I still see him as speaker there.
Yeah, maybe he just doesn't want to say anything, but that's fine.
Just some context for you guys.
The guys at TechCrunch and all these other big news outlets follow Nick
and they get their news from him.
So that's a little TDR.'s exactly he's the initial he's like the initial news by the way daniel for the for
kind of the purposes of the introduction i'm going to give you like co-host as well
so in case you like recognize okay excellent now next thing i'm going to do is i'm going to publish
the thing
hang on thing. Hang on.
Just reposted the space, everybody should. Yes. Okay, looks good. Here we go. Boom. So I'm publishing the article to a
nice
timeline preview. Nice.
I'm publishing it on the alt account
because I think it is fucking hilarious to do it via the alt account
because it's a very specific memetic
thing that's associated
with it, which I think is hilarious.
So we're doing that as well.
So let me just...
Something I learned from the advanced analytics available in Grok 4
was that the impact made by reposting early
significantly outweighs reposts in general.
Like within the first 10 to 15 minutes is that key space.
The more people repost during that time window,
the more it gets pushed out to the algorithm.
Exactly, that is true.
Okay, let me pin the post up at the top.
So anybody who wants to join the Discord server,
that's in there, by the way, you just click on that article, kind of like read through it.
It's very short.
I made it very simple for people to read because I don't want this to be like the huge manifesto that normally people are used to, which is, you know, of course, a bit problematic. I don't like that.
So what we're doing is we're going to kind of have it be a very short thing.
And so you can like go through that.
And only after you've like read the whole thing, are you able to even like see the link that's at the bottom and like
click join on that. So yeah, there's also a few interesting perks that will be preserved. Say,
for instance, if you are a subscriber to me on X here, then I will like give you a special like
discord has this ability where you can like give people roles. So I'll also give you a role in
there as well. So like, you know, whatever you do on X translates there and you know whatever you do in there
it kind of translates to X to some way so it's like we kind of make sure that
that is preserved I see there's a YouTube and the tick-tock for noetic
order yes the tick-tock and YouTube will be eventually expanded they're kind of
like new at the moment the main focus will first be like the discord server
and then later we'll kind of focus on the YouTube and the TikTok part as well, just to kind of diversify the platform beyond just the X community.
But the primary platform is still X community Discord server for now, right?
Specifically the X community first, right?
Because a lot of spaces happen here as well.
Daniel, for instance, has this amazing thing where he's one of the people who I consider to be the content creator essentially right and so what I think is cool is he like goes through AI papers for instance does actual
quantitative analysis on it if the analysis on it if that makes any sense and then is able to
render a very good opinion or a very good summary or like perhaps you can create an essay on the
on the situation in the first place so people can actually understand what's going on because
currently the state of AI is people talking about how to do prompt engineering,
which is a three-year-old conversation, and people still talking about AI consciousness,
which is a five-year-old conversation, which is just completely both of those things are
kind of like bullshit in a sense, where prompt engineering still does make sense to a certain
extent today, but is slowly becoming irrelevant.
The consciousness thing is complete bullshit,
right? And so if you wanted to actually talk about something that's real, then you'll talk
about the science or the methods or the architecture by which these systems operate.
And Daniel covers these things as well. And when I first discovered that he covers those things,
I was like, hey, man, what if we had a community where we could have those types of things be
covered centralized, right? Where you have a recorded space that exists on like a carousel,
which is kind of what communities offer and have it be there.
And it's a perfectly curated experience where people can kind of look at it
as if it was a Joe Rogan podcast,
just minus the schizos and all of the actual real functional knowledge,
right?
So it's like, what if you could create that as a community?
So the beautiful
features that x has like kind of given us we can kind of use like that including of course you
know occasionally publishing what is effectively an article looking forward to the no ad quarter
um basically there is so much stuff dropping in the uh academics part of ai um and there's two
different parts of ai there's the academic part which is where all the research papers are published, all the theoretical stuff is published, and then there's the applied
part. So just some context for everybody who doesn't know me, I'm applying AI to the real
estate industry. And so naturally, I'm picking up things here and there from the vast array of
papers being published every single day. And there's a lot of noise, but there's also a lot
of good signals. So I like to dive into these papers just for my own enjoyment as well as because of the fact that i'm
implementing them and i find that when i share these things people are really interested in that
because it's a little taste of the future because it's literally showing what will be implemented
in the future so uh things like the noetic order are a space to kind of discuss these things without
all the noise that comes with uh you know, the internet and all that stuff.
We're trying to create a very curated, focused, high-signal community here with people that know what they're talking about that are actually building real shit.
So, that's kind of where I come into play.
And me and Adrian had a conversation about this last night.
about this last night.
I was up till four in the morning over here on the East Coast.
I was up till four in the morning
over here on the East Coast
and it was, I enjoyed every second of it
because the kind of ground
that I think we can cover
in the noetic order
when it comes to
even just this small part of the world,
the AI industry,
which is going to eat everything.
I feel like there's huge potential in that.
And my mission for the noetic order
is to help unlock that.
And that's my part in this.
Exactly. So that's going to be pretty cool we're going to see
like expansion to this as well as we like find more people um where we're going to have like
even more content created the type of people that we're looking for are those who can manufacture
high signal content that is otherwise like too niche to actually have an audience that people
pay attention to like you remember like the earliest days of like a blog or the earliest
days of what then became a podcast and the earliest days of what was an
actual tech YouTube channel or a tech magazine. All these things were highly curated, beautiful
experiences with a lot of knowledge that was actually niche. So everybody could just like
sit in there and go, wow, this is beautiful, right? Like, you know, there was this thing that was
called, I think the Focus magazine that I always used to read as a child.
And I looked at, you know, back then,
hey, Mars 2025, what didn't happen,
which is unfortunate, right?
But like the topics, the things discussed
inside of that magazine,
like today, everybody's talking about them.
But back then, nobody was really talking about it
because again, it was a magazine
and it was well too, it was like way too niche.
So the, as was also written in the article,
the community is kind of like an intersect intersection between like um what is mainstream and what is
niche and mainstream and niche can be interpreted as like mainstream is consumer and the niche is
the producer right like say when you are making something, there are way fewer people that actually make things than there are people like that consumes.
We have an endless amount of consumers effectively, right?
But we have only a very, very, very, very small percentage of producers, of makers, people who do production.
That's why like that job, for instance, is such a hellish experience, right?
Because there's so few people that are actually capable of it.
And those who are capable of it, they are very rare because, you know, you kind of have to like steer against the insanity of what that is.
And you have to become a specialist in a sense as well, right?
So the generalist has a lot of abilities, but the generalist is still nerfed by the fact that they can't ever be the specialist.
can't ever be the specialist. So what if you took the generalist requirement away and said,
let's have that handled by someone who does narrative engineering like me and have the
specialist stuff be done by the specialists so that they can work on being the specialist and
not need to work on like the audience related things, right? So say for instance, with the
community, if like you wanted to have what is effectively an AI researcher, try to optimize
how to moderate a fucking community, bro's going to
have a lot of issues and is not going to be able to
focus on AI research, right?
But if you have someone like me, for instance,
being able to moderate that experience, take
out all the noise stuff
and have it be a perfectly curated group,
then what ends up happening is that you have
a lot less noise and that those people
don't need to worry about the same things anymore.
Exactly.
Also, by the way, this Discord server is kind of like a little bit in its infancy
to a certain extent as well.
So more features will be coming in.
We'll have to also like verify how many people are actually subscribers.
So like I'm going to come up with a way that we can kind of like have a submission for
like X handles or something where people can tell us who they are.
And then we just kind of throw that in there.
We also are looking at the potential for,
so like, you know, some of us here
have affiliate badges as well.
And so there's this feature
where you can create a role
where there's like a little badgie
that appears next to your name.
So we're probably going to do that as well
if you're an affiliate network
and if you're willing to promote our thing as well. The value of the community will come in
terms of the people within it and what is produced and the experiences that people have within the
community. As a result, because we are so early, it is like establishing or like coming across a
very niche blog that tends to blow up.
So the fact that you guys are on this space in the first place and even in the discord means that you're very early. We will be implementing verification measures just to make sure that our
community stays high quality. And because this is extremely valuable, not just to Adrian and the
other people on this call, but me too, we're going to make sure that it stays high quality and that the focus is focused on producing new research, new technology,
and we avoid all the noise that comes with all these other communities that have been found on the internet.
I see.
Exactly. Like, for instance, one of the key problems that we see with the politicization of technologies is that
people are very capable, but the politics keep them divided. It's kind of like similar to how,
like, there's this post that I made on, like, the Timeless Martian account, where it's like,
you know, that the chess pieces are mortal enemies. But the funniest thing is, the people
who play those mortal enemy chess pieces are best friends,
right? So what if we could just be like all best friends because we don't care about the politics
of the chess pieces, like caring about the politics of the chess pieces has you then be a person that
hates the other person, right? Because if you personify the chess piece, which you're not
supposed to do, then you yourself will feel attacked. And that's how I think politics work as well. I've been in many spaces, spaces as in work environments, where we were able to work
very efficiently. And we never even considered each other's politics. But I can tell you,
if we considered each other's politics, we would not be able to work together at all.
All we did was sit down and just build things. Like
some of us would turn out code, I would turn out like strategies for how to execute on marketing
products, stuff like that. Sometimes it would work like manufacturing is the same type of thing,
right? You have like totally different people that work together. Do I care about what you think of
certain political entities or do I care more about why you think we need a different alloy for this metal
screw that's holding together a thing that if it doesn't hold it together properly, kill somebody,
right? Like you want to care about what kind of alloys inside of that screw and not care about
whatever entity in terms of politics or religion that person cares about because it doesn't matter.
The person is going to die if the alloy is fucked, right? So you want to focus on that maximally. And so that's kind of like, you know,
that's what we're trying to solve here, right? And also, this is going to be very interesting
because this eventually plays into a later plan that we have for a few years in the future,
where we're going to enter a more scientific realm as well with our pursuits, where, for instance,
we would be able to fund types of research that are not funded by established
organizations.
For instance, USA medical organizations, they usually like fund very specific types of
research because it gains them financially.
What if you could fund a specific type of research that doesn't like, you know, end
in maximum profitability in terms of like a medication, but actually ends with people
being able to optimize their health?
Because like the medical company doesn't care about a healthy customer, they care
about a dependent customer. That's how it actually works, right? And this is not a secret. This is
literally how business works. If everybody were healthy, there would not be health companies.
The only health companies that would exist would be companies that provide, say, specific types of
foods that the human body needs that
are essential. Or substances, like certain vitamins, water, specific types of proteins,
maybe like supplements on amino acids and whatever else and whatnot, like creatine.
Soylent!
This guy with his jokes. He's providing a people solution. That's horrible. But, you know, that's how that works.
And also the beautiful thing about the community is it's like somewhat,
like the vector of how to accelerate it is going to start with like me and Daniel
and various other people who have like, you know, kind of accrued around this.
But it's going to become somewhat independent.
We're like kind of taking on more so the administrative role on how to manage it.
But we want it to be so that even if we have views
that may deviate from somebody else's views,
that doesn't create any problems.
So the community is not a representation of personal views.
The community and the organization is a representation
of the ethics themselves.
And whatever deviation exists from those ethics
will not be allowed inside of the order
or the community, right?
100%.
I think the best example of this
in maybe not living memory,
but definitely in the history books
is they literally brought Nazis over
to work on the Manhattan Project
and get us on the moon.
Like there's this one Chinese proverb
that says, talk doesn't cook rice. Talk also doesn't get us on the moon. Like there's this one Chinese proverb that says,
talk doesn't cook rice.
Talk also doesn't get us to the moon, right?
You have to actually build a thing.
And when you start talking about politics and stuff like that,
it's just a lot of talk.
You end up wasting all this energy.
We have to be efficient with our time
because we're not going to be on this earth forever.
And I feel like if you had to boil down the thesis
of the noetic order to a single sentence,
it would be that we can't waste our energy we have to focus our energy a lot of energy that has been you know
expended in the last few years in recent times has been very diluted um which is why we've seen
stagnation in certain sectors um i personally feel like we should be a lot more advanced than we
currently are which is why i'm taking part in the noetic order to help push this forward.
That's my personal mission here. And that's kind of what I think about it.
If the Americans could bring in the Nazis, denazify them and put us on the moon, I think that the noetic order can definitely deliver on its mission.
Bill? sounds good sounds good
i think adrian's just getting a message or something
i just wanted to clarify i was just making a post to clarifying. By Soylent, I meant the weird, like, meal replacement drink.
Not the, it's people!
Soylent Greatest People!
Not that one.
Yeah, that Soylent is also horrible, though.
The one from the health company makes.
It's, like, full of seed oils and shit.
And everybody's like, oh, wow, it's totally fine.
It's like, no, it's not.
That's the stuff that will kill you faster or differently. It's like, no, it's not. That's the stuff that will kill you faster, or
differently. It's like, there's ways to die.
It's meant as a meal replacement.
Not even as, like, a supplement.
It's meant as a meal replacement.
Taking eggs every day, baby.
I just think it's really funny.
I don't know
if their formula has changed, but it used to be
you could look on the side of the bot,
like the nutritional information,
and it would just say 25% for everything all the way down
because the point was you could have four of them
and have all of your vitamins and minerals.
I just thought that was the dumbest shit.
Amazing.
I also think I want to touch on the point of the content creators.
I think Adrian, you briefly mentioned this, but everything we've talked about curating
high signal content from these different industries, we are basically giving that role to the content creators,
and that is like our mission.
Basically, we want to just keep this high signal content flowing flowing keep bringing up new things from these new research labs
and propagating it throughout our society
so that we can actually build new cool things
with the new technology that's developed every single day
exactly yeah
also make sure you like to read the rules on join
both in the discord server and in the community
the community rules by the way
uh apply in the discord server as they also do in the actual community itself right because
we want to kind of like make sure that everything is properly done so yeah it's like it has to have
yeah it has to be correct has to be 100 adrian and i be 100%. Adrian and I, alongside Nick, Isabelle, and Blythe,
were testing things out last night in regards to Discord and stuff like that.
The spaces feature, guys, if you've never tried the spaces feature on Discord,
it is insane.
Compared to what we're currently suffering through right now on the Twitter space,
Discord spaces are insane.
It is ridiculous how good they are.
And we are definitely going to
be having many spaces there on discord it's going to be a little bit more of an intimate setting
because of the fact that it's not open to everybody like this twitter one is so that's also
why we chose discord because the spaces experience is so good and we feel like when it comes to
disseminating high value knowledge like we're currently doing spaces like discord spaces are highly effective at accomplishing that goal
exactly so yeah everybody look at the article above and just quote post that with join the
noetic order so if everybody in the space could do that that would be epic so yeah so we can do
that what we're going to do is we're going to we're going to run this space for i think like
an hour or two,
like maybe two hours or something like that, two or three, we'll see how long it goes.
And then we'll have an afterspace inside of there. So we can just like do all of that,
right? So it's going to be pretty fun. So yeah, let's see. Make sure everybody quote post it,
join the noetic order and probably even pin it to your profiles for a bit there too.
Also funny, I think people are starting... So I made this post about angels a while back. This happened...
So on my alt, I've made this post about the angel thing, right? With the dissemination of influence.
the dissemination of influence,
this thing has kind of like entered into the UFO mainstream again because of
me quote posting myself.
And the reason why that is,
is because like Anna Paulina responded to that post saying like,
this is accurate representation.
And then everybody's like,
Oh my God,
it's the person that's handling the disclosure.
She said that angels are real. So now everybody's like rever oh my god, it's the person that's handling the disclosure. She said that angels are real.
So now everybody's reverting back to religion again, which I think is so fucking funny.
It's like you have the UFO people, and this is where I cover the narrative engineering parts.
You accidentally just happen to signal a certain way.
I'm just like, this is just a thing that I think is out there.
What is also interesting is it kind of reminds me of what is called the stack.
If people are not familiar with the stack, it's actually in reference to a book that is called The New Normal.
If anybody is familiar with the verbiage, the new normal, in the context of COVID-19,
the specific types of effects and how things could be structured and how things could be
influenced in accordance with different layers of what is this stack where you take
digital influence as the ultimate god, effectively, as a kind of metaphor if you wanted to.
That book kind of prefaced all of it and was written by Benjamin Bratton, and nobody cares
about that. If you wanted to be at a high-level understanding of how the world is actually
shaped, the conspiracy theories are all just kind of bullshit, really. They are. If I go up to
somebody like Alex Jones and ask him,'s benjamin bratton bro is not
going to be able to tell me the answer right no no hate to alex jones of course i really i think
he's hilarious right but still he's not going to be able to understand who benjamin bratton is
when in actuality like where does the new normal come from where's the concept for that come from
where's the what is the actual you know the representation so you look at that image that
i posted which is like the angel thing and then you look at what is called the stack next to it they're functionally the same thing it's like
when you look at the soul map for like the kabbalah and and kind of uh compare it to
this thing from like um from like the the landian the nick land like soul map which is like it's the
same thing you're just using different ways to come to the same conclusion. It's like that image that people usually post on Facebook,
you know, where it's like both perspectives are accurate, where you have the round thing and you
have the square thing, but it's literally just like a cone, right? So it's like, what is this
thing? So both perspectives are technically true. We're just using different means by which we can
kind of like come to the same conclusion. One uses religion, the other one uses hardcore logic, but they're both the same thing functionally.
So you can be religious about it and be delusional, or be extremely
rational about it. And then you have the Landian map.
A lot of these concepts are probably very foreign to people, but that's fine.
I think it's still just a funny realization as well.
Just to kind of put out there, I think it's hilarious. Hey funny realization as well, just to kind of put out there.
I think it's hilarious.
Hey, Dexter, what's up, dude?
Hey.
Hey, hey, hey.
Not much.
I heard you talking about Benjamin Bratton
and decided to tap in.
Although I'm not sure that there's a whole lot to say
because I don't know that too many people are
big Bratton heads in here big stack heads
big stack heads actually i think we could kind of like cover that a bit later where we can like
cover the difference between the actual stack and the black stack which is also pretty interesting
because like nobody knows these things so kind of like you know to demonstrate the value of
our knowledge base which is kind of like see how esoteric we can get as well, just to like show how far outside and how niche things can get
if we really wanted it to be that way.
By the way, have you also joined the server?
No, I'm catching up with all that right now.
I have to co-tweet joining the Noetic Order right now.
And it's a Discord server, right?
Yeah, you click on that and you look at the thing.
It's community and Discord server.
We're doing both, right?
So like we use this place as
information, it's like dissemination
as well as that place as well because we
have sometimes the instance where people
are politically inclined to not use X.com
so we're going to have people be onboarded
that way as well. So we just kind of want
to make sure that it's very universal.
Discord's a good dark forest.
You can
just hang out down there
and none of your influence will ever leave Discord.
And then you can come up to Twitter whenever you need to
and just do these things and reach however many people you need to.
It's a good dichotomy.
I like that design.
It lets us concentrate all the talent in Discord
and then get loud when we need to on Twitter.
It's good to keep your head down building things get loud when we need to on Twitter.
It's good to keep your head down building things,
but eventually you need to share your work with the world,
and I think Twitter is good for that.
Yeah, like, disseminating information on here is absolutely fucking amazing.
You can find so many more people here.
The problem is only, of course, the dichotomy,
where it's like some people see it as a political message,
so we're just going to, like, completely delete that issue.
And I think if we can remove the political problem from it
via something like a community, which is what that is,
then it's a curated experience where politics
will be optimized out of the system as much as possible.
So if anybody, for instance, makes a political post
in this community, the noetic order,
that instantly gets fucked.
Like you instantly, your post gets nuked.
And if you keep repeating that, then you get nuked.
Like, we don't want that in the community at all.
We want people talking about technology, we want people to talk about stuff that actually
matters.
Because nobody cares.
Like, you know, it's like a, do you think like the 10, 20 year, like, semiconductor manufacturer
cares about like the four year, like, weirdness that somebody else is like, you know, kind
of putting forward during an administrative run? I don't think they really think about that too much. They think about it
if they wanted to make it economically economical, but like first they think about how I can take
like this piece of silicone and actually hyperscale it, which is literal hell for you. So you're just
thinking about that. So then adding this like noise into the system absolutely pisses that very productive individual off.
And this will be removed.
We will not be having that.
Fuck that.
That kind of frustration was very, very pivotal to us founding this community
and drafting up the kind of theses and kind of constitution that we were preparing for this community.
Exactly. Yeah.
And it's a very simple thing.
I mean, you can look at what is good for humanity
and just consider that in your head
and how high signal things can get.
And you take in then, of course, the consideration of what
the rules mean of the community itself.
There's like 10 rules.
I thought it was ironic that we're going to have like 10 rules and that there are only 10 rules available and, there's like 10 rules. I thought it was ironic that we're going to have
10 rules and that there are only 10 rules
available and that there's also 10 commandments.
I just think that that's hilarious. It's a funny coincidence.
There's only 10 rules that you can
have and I just put it as
10 rules, maxed them out. I thought it was
ironic and I thought it was super funny
and entertaining. I think people just look at it and go,
that's hilarious.
We have the 10th rule be like, we'll follow all 10, including. I like that. So, yeah, we have the 10th rule be like,
we'll follow all 10, including the one that's mentioned
at the bottom, which is the 10th rule. So it's like a recursive
rule-following thing. So it's like a circle,
basically. It's like a circle, but it's also
kind of a triangle in sense as well, because if you look at
the symbol, it's like a circle.
Seven circles, seven triangles, and triangles are the octonian
thing, which compute to seven, if you wanted
to, even though it's octa-eight.
Sorry, there's a lot of symbology. I like baked it into that consider it for a bit yeah i asked adrian what noetic means
and what the logo meant and i just got one-shotted i got one-shotted i went insane afterwards dude
i had to go eat some oatmeal to calm down yeah like you can i don't understand why like people
don't do this anymore like company logos
used to be so based and logos themselves and sigils they could be so based right people don't
do that anymore you look at something like microsoft it just looks uninspiring and flavorless
you know before like look at the old microsoft it looked like it looked like a metallica font it was
so cool like imagine having an art like imagine having a graphics card from them,
and you have this Metallica Microsoft logo on the side of it,
and the beautiful, shimmery, holographic effect.
Man, chef's kiss, dude.
But it doesn't look like that anymore.
Isn't that a shame?
It's such a shame.
Yeah, US graphics company has a lot of frustration vented on this. Just the general and shitification of these companies as they lose their unique soul. I'm not sure what it is, but my theory is that when
they started as startups, they had that identity. And that was purely founder driven, you know,
driven by real frustration of what they actually saw in the world. And then maybe the founder
secured his bag, went to Mar-a-Lago, whatever. It became
more of a focus on shareholder value. And that's generally when the consumers of the product that
the company is producing, they start to get fucked a little bit. Not even talking about that, but
just in terms of the branding side, they see what the trends are and they map the company to the
trends. Instead of mapping the trends to the company which is what good startups
do when they break out the trends map to the company which is why everybody started making gpt
rappers um and that's kind of why i think all those brands and all that stuff went to ship
which is why when i see something unique it really just stands out to me a lot more
makes sense makes sense more. Makes sense.
Makes sense.
Yeah, I mean, I think this is a great idea.
I obviously love it.
The open source community has been having a lot of trouble dealing with a bunch of really
critical things
being politicized. So if we can build like quality products and good source code and stuff like that
would be really cool without bringing politics into the picture. I mean we have seen what
happened to the Linux kernel, NixOS and other great projects. So it would be cool. I do appreciate you know, the ladybird
leader saying we don't care. We just want to build. So that's cool.
I think it's echoing a sentiment that is felt across most of the audiences that are
part of these industries.
Exactly. Yeah, dude, I just like encountered a very funny bug like there's this thing that
um happens occasionally with x where if you like load into someone's profile it like doesn't render
that you followed them and sometimes it actually renders as an unfollow it already happened twice
it's really annoying so like for instance i was looking at so i was looking at preston's profile for instance
right to like check if he's subscribed because i want to give him the subscribe to adrian
dependent on x roll and it just like unfollowed it i'm like what the fuck is this oh yeah i've
seen that it's annoying i had to like like render it again and again and again i'm like bro what is
going on help oh yeah here this is what we always talk about yeah the little microsoft logo but
yeah it's pretty cool but yeah so the symbology is pretty something we don't we don't want to
like do fond for like the naming we just like want the symbol because like imagine you have
that as like a stamp you know you put that on like the side of like imagine if you have like
a physical outreach program and you have that like pasted on the side of a car or like stamped
on a document like it's got to look good you know what i mean in japan
they still do this thing where you have uh instead of just like your signature you can also have a
stamp that's customized to you and then it acts like your signature right and so imagine if you
could have the same thing uh for like say qd for instance nobody thinks about this anymore they're
just like can kind of lose it be like oh well we have like the super elaborate profile picture
this that i'm like what if it's just a bunch of circles and triangles like
what yeah that made me want to mention like um with all the bugs that twitter has uh you guys
have seen from the whole yasin arc how terrible the tech debt is even with engineering agents
that we have nowadays the whole teams of like you can deploy ai armies to solve these business
problems for some reason they haven't done that at Twitter. And so it has a lot
of these issues. And I honestly came to the conclusion with Adrian last night that until
Elon focuses the power of the sun on solving that issue, Twitter is going to continue to have these
issues. And we don't want the integrity of the noetic order to be compromised by that, which is
why the discord server is something that we're kind of
are, like, using as
a bit of a second
home for the community. It's like an expansion.
It's like when you have the...
It's like a video game expansion.
It's like you have the base video game that everybody
plays for free, and then you have the
expansion that's added on. You don't need the expansion,
but we have it, so
if people want to get the expansion, they can just get the expansion pack. It's like, hey, I want to play Halo the Multiplayer. It's like, alright, you don't need the expansion but we have it so if people want to get the expansion they can just get the expansion pack it's like hey i want to play halo the
multiplayer it's like all right you're playing halo the multiplayer and now it's like actually
i want hail i want like halo the campaign as well like here you go here's the dlc download it play
it boom boom boom everybody have fun blow things up you know how it is oh yeah that game should be
this is hilarious but yeah so i think we can kind of like focus on uh other stuff now it's
kind of like launching and we'll later kind of divert at some point as well uh but yeah it's it's just it's just kind of an update for the community but
like mainly the foundation will always be here it's like always x like kind of x-focused i am
an x exclusive creator right i love this platform i'll always create on here and the community is
just a potential dlc it's just a very small aspect of it, but it's mainly just the thing on the profile
because we have a lot of people that host spaces here
and they host spaces that don't get the attention
that they deserve and they actually should get.
And so we're just kind of working on that part.
It's like, hey, there you go.
Now you have like a, you tune into like Daniel's space
that's hosted inside of the Noetic Order.
It's like you go to the community and the profile
and it's like, boom, there you go.
There's a space that's happening.
And everybody like looks at what is the order and goes, oh, wow, these are the tech guys, right? These are the
tech bros. These are the tech bros, or it's like the real bros, right? So yeah, kind of on that,
let's have a little productive conversation outside of the discussion of what the thing that has pinned there is.
Dexter, tell me about the difference between,
like, describe to me what a stack is,
and then describe to me what the black equivalent of that is.
Or, like, I think Dark Stack would have been a greater name,
to be honest, but he chose the black stack,
so I guess that's going to be the thing.
Dexter, are you there?
Yeah, yeah.
But I'm, like, dangerously close to losing my voice.
And I probably will not be able to get through this.
I mean, if you don't want to, it's fine.
Yeah, I might not have it in me right now.
I was yelling a lot in the last two days. All right, doesn't matter if you want to like if you if you want to like not do it that's fine if it yeah give me a minute i'm just going to drink
some tea and then maybe i can come back and do dark stack cool cool hey uh
wait a minute what's that hi everybody i just wanted to say hi and then i'm so excited for all
of this yeah she's like um she's gonna help us with some merch related things as well so if you
look at our consultancy account there's like a lot of merch on there actually let me let me find the
let me find the thing real quick because we also have that um so in addition to having
like this community thing we also have a company that's like actual
producing things it's actually producing things so we have community and company merch so say for
instance you wanted to have like you know t-shirts mugs and hats we're gonna we're gonna expand that
to have a whole bunch of other things we're gonna have notebooks we're also gonna have notebooks
yes yeah so it's like i, I'm the autistic person.
You can't ask me what I want because I just want very basic things.
But Isabel is like more of the consumer.
So she like knows what a consumer actually consumes.
I, you cannot ask me what a consumer would want because my life is so damn simple.
It's literally, it literally consists of raw milk, coffee, water, three sirloin steaks, plus some bread,
and a little bit of chili and salt
and some seasoning to spice things up.
I live very simply.
Maybe a few eggs occasionally.
Maybe I have a little bender
where I just drink the occasional energy drink
or something like that if I wanted to.
But it's largely just that.
It's configured as such.
So here, there you go. There's a community merch thing. The link is at the bottom there. That's's largely just that. It's configured as such. So here, there you go.
There's a community merge thing.
The link is at the bottom there.
That's also our own website.
It's pretty cool.
So yeah, we designed it.
So if you guys want a website of your own as well,
we can do that.
We have a main focus on security as well.
One of the major problems that I see
is that people have websites,
like personal websites,
that are just a complete garbage.
They will run on WordPress and whatnot.
And it really is a major security issue.
If somebody wanted to fuck with you, they could,
and they definitely will.
So let's say you're a person who's in tech
and you're building something that's really critical
and you have a personal website
or you have a website for the company,
you are going to need something that's actually good.
And we can build that for you.
We operate to above market standards,
but we also charge at market rates.
So it's like you get the
better option. And you can like go to somebody else on Fiverr and buy like the thing that looks
semi vibe coded. That's like one shot via fucking react. Or you can have a thing that actually works.
And it's like, it's upscalable, right? Because you don't want to, you don't like have problems,
right? So if you want that, you can hire us, you can book a consultation on the website,
it's actually in there. So like, go to the X account. In there it should be a thing.
So yeah, you can like do that as well.
Which is just to like solve all these types of problems at the same time.
So yeah, we're trying to address every single issue that we can find.
You want to like be outside of politics.
You have the Noetic Order X community.
You want to have like solutions, software, cybersecurity related.
You're going to hit up the time chain consulting thing.
So yeah, excellent. It's pretty cool. So make sure to follow that account as well,
because we like occasionally post things. Part of also like, you know, narrative engineering is a thing we cover there as well, because it's something that you want needs to protect their
brain against, because it could be like, you know, ideological spam that exists out there
that is major problematic. So we just want to like do something about that,
just like take that out of the system as much as possible.
So yeah.
Look, even...
Narrative engineering is very, very important.
A lot of people don't even know it exists.
Everybody's a software engineer nowadays,
but not everybody's a narrative engineer,
and not many people know how to kind of guard against it.
So kind of like keeping people
in the loop when it comes to that stuff is kind of what we're going to be offering as well.
Exactly. Yeah. Just kind of understand this. One of the other things we also do is like,
you know, have a conversation about what cognitive security is because a lot of people just don't
have it. That's a really big problem. Right. And a cognitive security like violation or like
infiltration is when instead of like say for instance you're a software
developer and you're supposed to write code you think about something that's like political in
nature right that's a massive issue so yeah so adrian yeah what's up what's up everyone um what
what prompted you to heavily separate and take politics out,
by the way, out of curiosity? I got tired of it. I mean, look, at the beginning,
it happened right after the H1B discussion, where I noticed that everybody just turns into a full
scale retard because they don't actually understand how the world really works beyond
whatever niche they have. So I'm like, you know what? Fuck this. We can't have a conversation
about this nonsense anymore. It's extremely unproductive and everybody ends up just hating each other for no reason whatsoever. Like all those reasons are completely uneducated, some of which are somewhat true in some cases, I think as well. But those were very, very rare and few outliers and a very large mess of incorrect nonsense. Right.
incorrect nonsense, right? So I was like, well, we didn't do anything. So for about a month or so,
the entire conversation was all about how do we actually begin to do work again? I was like,
what the fuck is going on? That's not good. So I just basically decided, well, fuck this,
I'm just not going to deal with politics anymore. Because I made this post on the Timeless Martian
account saying that we live in an age of empires.
And with that, I meant everybody has to like
start building their thing as well.
And so I said, why don't we just like let everybody
like let all the politicians politics max
and we're just going to get out that.
And this was like during like before all of the,
before the Elon and Trump separation,
I just looked at that and was like,
hey, that's pretty cool.
Anyways, I need to get back to work
because we're just like,
it's like when you have this long weekend
and you don't get back into work
and you come back after the long weekend
and everything's just weird
because you've forgotten how to do the thing
you were supposed to do.
So it's like, we're just going to get back to that
and just focus that.
That's why on the profile,
you saw that I stopped just posting
about anything political.
And instead I posted these types of images
that I kept out putting a lot of votes for,
of course,
you know,
also quote posted by Linda Yaccarino,
who was like,
you know,
the CEO of,
at X,
I think she like leaving,
which is unfortunate.
I really like her.
She was,
she was one of the real ones in my opinion.
She did a really good job.
So yeah,
we bid her farewell also,
but,
yeah,
it was like,
that's kind of just like,
I just looked at this whole
arc and I remembered
what I said
in the later stages of 2024
like I said on the
space in the later stages of 2024
I am not going to touch
the US elections with a 12 foot pole
so that's what I said I still remember saying
that shit and then I found myself
sitting there discussing a whole bunch of visa issues and people still being like butthurt about
the fact that when they called me a supremacist, I called myself a maximally smooth-brained
individual. Somehow messed with their entire worldview for some reason. And I don't understand
why that is, but okay, I guess maybe if you're like taking things that are not serious, very
seriously, and then someone, you know, responds inclined inclined you kind of just go what the fuck right because you're not used to that but you know it's
like i'm just i'm just i'm just tired of it i don't want to i don't want to deal with it i think
it's just stupid it's not productive i'm just gonna i'm just gonna make good things so the
split happened a long time ago i was like i didn't give a fuck about it you're making fun of them for like five minutes
straight and they just didn't pick up on it exactly like i was just roasting them the whole time
like oh my god they banned this they banned that and then claiming that i was elon and everything
and then later just like i even said on that space i said word for word once you guys figure
out who i am you're gonna look really fucking stupid and then the whole thing like kind of
developed from there it was just so funny seeing the capitulation because the whole concept the
whole topic just died it was just dead after that it was all just around Christmas too so it's like
all the people who have like who don't really have much of a real life situation going on
they're all just degening on Christmas and New Year's fucking x.com and we're all just having
fun where all the journalists were were off to do whatever social events
they were doing. We were here just breaking
shit constantly and everybody coming in
after that going like
man, what the fuck happened here?
It's like that meme where this guy with
the pizzas walks into a room and
everything's on fire. That's kind of what that is.
The journalist walks in with his pizzas going like
oh my god.
So that's kind of what happened.
So I saw that and I went, nah, this is, this is not worth it.
Like, you know, there's like a knife that's stuck in somebody else's back there.
So I'm just like kind of reaching over going like, yeah, I'm just gonna pull that out real quick.
There you go.
See, we good now.
Good now.
Can you pull out mine as well?
Yeah.
Thank you very much.
That's good.
So I was like, let's not do that again.
Right.
Catfights are not.
This is like a catfight.
This really didn't lead anywhere.
So that prompted the massive shift.
And that shift occurred actually very early.
It's just right now I'm just affirming the current direction.
I'm just affirming the current direction.
Great.
Now I'm going for pizza.
That stuff was actually pretty funny
I mean I think I told you right it reminded me of
what's his name Jack Sparrow from
when I came out that
you're in fact a Adrian Dittman
or Jack Sparrow is like
I always tell the truth people never seem to believe me
exactly I'm like wait a minute
I've literally told everybody
I just said hey there you go
I'm like me the whole
time why does nobody believe me it's like okay and i told everyone what i was gonna do and i told
everyone that was gonna like you know kind of create an organization a while back and we did
that in form of a company after realizing that that works we just kind of like hyper scaled it
into this this this this community which was pre-mined back then, and I think like early 2024, almost late 23, I think even,
where we used to call the community the X-accelerationist, it was like X-AC, right,
because it was a reference to YAC, which is a fact of accelerationism, and I did that as a
derivative because it was like the meme at the time, and I wanted to kind of support that a
little bit. It's only afterwards that the whole thing, because there was never, there was hardly ever a clear voice behind what was accelerationism, that that whole concept kind of started to get dialed back,
which I thought was a major issue, which I thought was just kind of a waste of potential.
And so with also teapot dyeing, which is known as this part of Twitter, or also known as
post-rat, post-rational, right? That was like a group of people, like there was a very interesting
part of X where people were like these these all the super productive autistic people
just kind of like got together and started posting things right and then all those people
kind of went four ways they went the i went insane from the from the ais or they went the i am
starting a company or they went the i just got employed or they went the i just went to school
so i can get employed and then start company, right?
So like, that's what happened to Teapot.
And because of that, that whole concept just died.
So there's very few people that remain
that are still like active here on X.
And a lot of those are actually company owners,
which is pretty cool.
Like, I mean, Hassan over here, for instance,
like Daniel, he also has a company,
which is something.
So you actually have like actual founders on stage,
you know, here that are doing things.
And some people just like have posting as their job.
Like Nick, for instance, is really good at that.
He's just posts and it's like as much of a job as it is also a hobby.
It's like really productive what he's doing.
So this is kind of like where things end up.
And so the next logical step is just to clean out the noise.
the noise and that noise at this moment is politics.
And that noise at this moment is politics.
By the way, Adrian, we're gonna do a space on the space with a very interesting guy,
Joel Sersel.
He does asteroid mining.
Can I still post that in your community?
If you host it from the community?
Yes. Do you know how to do that?
No, I don't think I've ever done it.
I haven't hosted spaces in a while.
Yeah, so if you're like a mod inside of the community,
I could make you one.
Then you can actually host a community space, right?
So you just kind of like go into the community
and you just long press the Composer button
if you're on iOS,
and then it shows you the spaces thing
and it actually gives you the the option I think Daniel could even
like show you how to do that yeah I can help on there you can help them
surround you can help because you know thank you yeah epic but you also have
to like have the community show up in your profile as well do you know how to
spotlight no that's funny. No, I don't.
Okay, go to my profile.
You're on it?
Yeah.
Then click the community thing, the Noetic Order part, just click that.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, so if you haven't joined already, then it leads you to a join page, and you can join.
But if you have joined, do you see the little sparkle thing that's right next to the add user
button?
Just click that.
And it shows spotlight your community on profile.
You click that button and then it allows you to see a whole bunch of
things.
It looks like community communities,
click that and then select the noetic order.
That's how to do that.
Yeah.
Okay.
I think you've got to make me a bot.
I think you mentioned it before,
but I don't think you did.
You can even do it outside of that.
Yeah.
Can you check DMm checking dms
oh wow okay there are so many people joining the discord server i got like an alert that it looks suspicious
i have to check that out yeah yeah it's giving all these errors like 25 people doing in the last
whatever yeah it's like flip-flung errors. Yeah.
Caution, caution.
I think TVD, you're handling it, right?
There was, like, there was, I think, somebody trying to remove...
Oh, no, TVD is, like, dynamo right.
Okay, I think that works.
Man, there's going to be so much activity in there.
It's going to be a little noisy at first,
so I think the higher signal version is just going to be the X community,
which is just kind of where that goes.
But that's fine. It's going to work.
It's going to be interesting.
Oh, hey, Lawyer Cat is here.
Hi, Lawyer Cat. Nice. nice hey laurica what's up
man there's so much activity that's passing through my phone it's like it's it's becoming
laggy it's it's so fascinating yep yeah this is why It's so fascinating. Yep.
Yeah, this is why there's so many people talking right now.
I see everybody in the general chat there.
I'm just going to mute the server for a bit
and hope my phone catches up.
It already doesn't do great.
Oh, it looks like my sound is actually working this time.
Nice.
Fantastic.
Hi, everybody.
How's it going?
Happy Saturday.
Happy Saturday.
It's one of our.
Hello.
Hey, we're good.
Hello.
What up?
One of the crew.
What's up, buddy?
Chad, Vera, everybody, hello.
Hello, hello.
So, what have you gotten done this week?
Just kidding.
Man.
I had to ask.
I lived, which is enough for the week.
Well, yeah, you're getting your thing back on track, ICMA.
Lots of stuff happening.
Yeah, trying to figure out exactly what's going on still.
Yeah.
It's serious and concerning, so we're just figuring it out one thing at a time.
Yeah.
As one does.
I don't know if you need one.
No, I need a good endocrinologist.
Yes.
He's a different lawyer.
Maybe we'll have a specific thing about endocrinology.
We'll have the whole space about it.
That would be so fucking weird.
Imagine if there's brain surgeons or something
that have a specific niche they want to address,
and you like hear people discuss the whole thing,
and everybody's just sitting there going like,
what is even going on?
This sounds like,
this sounds like wizardry.
I'm like, yes, that's exactly what it is.
But once you start understanding the spells,
then you realize,
oh, it's actually like programming.
What?
Pretty cool.
Also pretty cool, there's like a notification thing that one can set
where it allows events to be processed a certain way.
So events are actually alerting to when there's a conversation on X.
So let's say, for instance, there's a conversation that's here starting,
like a space like this, then that's going to be put into the Events tab
so that the notification leads you straight to X. So that's pretty cool.
I'm going to check if there's like any
massive DMs. Is it normal for the Discord server to be
read-only? If you haven't agreed to
the rule set, yeah you might need to go through the welcome tab
and verify that pops up on the body of your screen it says you gotta agree to the rules before you
can speak and then pass the capture yes chad i can dm you later I mean
hopefully I can get through this
without your help I hope I'm not
quite that retarded but I might need it
anyway buddy I might in a little while
I love it's like
the intergenerational barrier it's like
with the technology it's always hilarious
like how to figure that one out
oh yeah there's
also a bot that makes you verify to make sure you're not like a bot figure that one out. Oh yeah, there's also
a bot that makes you verify
to make sure you're not a bot.
There's a bot that
verifies if you're not a bot. It definitely
knows. It would know it's a bot after all now.
An anti-bot bot.
An anti-bot bot.
Yeah, you need to...
It's like when you capture the Russian
submarine captain and you take him next to you need to like, it's like when you capture the Russian submarine captain and you like take him next to you and go like, okay, I am the American submarine captain. You will show me how to get through this place. Otherwise, we're all going to die.
And it's like you put the submarine captain there and you go like, oh yeah, we're going to find our way through Russian waters. That's like, that's how that is. It's kind of similar. It's like the bot portraying its own kind.
that's how that is. It's kind of similar. It's like the bot
portraying its own kind.
I think it's fucking...
It's a horrible example, it really is, but it's hilarious.
I think it's absolutely fucking hilarious.
Are you referring to that movie
with what's-his-name? Gerald Butler?
Oh yeah, there are a bunch.
But yeah, I think it's like Gerald Butler
and there's also the Red October, which is pretty cool.
Yeah, there's Red October,
right, and then there's the hunter actually yeah yeah we're red October you're right yeah
red October is like the OG of those two right right like there was Sean Connery
you know he's epic bro he was good the hunt for red October hunt for the red
October yeah absolutely enjoyed it I thought it was a really cool movie was good. The Hunt for Red October. Hunt for the Red October, yeah.
I absolutely enjoyed it.
I thought it was a really cool movie.
Alright, I think I'm in, and I'm under Sirius Palette.
Fair enough.
Yeah.
You can customize whatever it is.
By the way, profile changes
in there don't change anything about your reach
because you don't have any.
That's the best way I can put it.
It's very blunt, but it's true.
No, I don't.
It's like, don't worry about it. Nobody has reach in there.
It's just about who controls the notifications.
It's like an offshoot, right?
Man. man
interesting stuff happens over on that discord server
you guys saw what i looked like on camera that doesn't happen
yes that can happen sometimes yeah yeah
so we're actually going to do a very interesting thing.
So I think in one hour, I'm going to join into the other thing over there.
So we're going to do that as well.
So if you haven't already, let me just remove a few posts from...
Actually, let me put up the main article from the Timeless Martian.
Boom.
So everybody, go through that article right there.
If you haven't quote posted it already, posted with join uh the noetic order right and read through the article it's a very short
one so it won't take up any of your time and then just kind of look at it understand what the
community as such is and then of course you know join on on like discord or the community itself
the community itself would be preferable but also do the discord thing is pretty nice and um uh if you are a say content creator or something like
that we'll kind we'll we'll see how well you can fit into what the community is for instance and
then we can just see what happens it's pretty fascinating like for instance there's like a
person down there who's called uh i hope I'm not butchering the name,
Vidvat, right?
They're the ones who created this game that's called Tamashika, right?
So I don't know, maybe if they do content creation
they'll hit me up and be like,
hey man, I want to create content for the community.
So yeah, there's a lot of interesting stuff happening right so we can like take people like that it actually creates content that i think adds to the benefit of the community
and then they could become like a person that can run spaces as well which is like what mod
is there as well so yeah that's pretty pretty decent oh yeah and by the way if you want to have direct dm access to me here on x
then what i would recommend you do is like the easiest way to get that
is just by subscribing to me that's like the rite of passage as i set it up that's
why i like made it one dollar right i wanted to make it easy
so that that enables you to have like direct dm access just by subscribing to me here on x of for one dollar and then in the
discourse or if you happen to join it you will also get that role if i can verify that's like
you know it's you so yeah excellent things are happening another thing that i would like to
mention is that i think it's very important to mention this, but with the noetic order and this general community, we're kind of in the game of playing infinite games.
So we're trying to push this as hard as it can to evolve it to, you know, wherever it'll
We don't exactly know where it'll evolve.
We have a general direction that we're setting.
And as a community produces new research new technology
and just new cool things um it'll evolve like as that happens so um it's not a finite game there
is no like end goal definitively um like going to mars or anything like that it's an infinite game
that we're playing here exactly yeah this eventually leads into you know foundation and then of course like from there on
it's literally just endless acceleration so you're seeing what is effectively the early days of what
we're gonna do this is like here you go you get the pre-mine if you've paid attention
you'll understand later what comes afterwards it's like um this is like imagine what if blackrock had a pre-mining
event where they just said hey everyone we're gonna become the largest asset holder in like
maybe two decades and then just like they stayed quiet and started to think it like you know a crew
we're kind of like saying a similar thing where it's like hey give us a maybe even less than a
maybe even less than a decade, and we're just going to reach
decade and we're just gonna reach a certain level that is pretty high and pretty cool
a certain level that is pretty high
and pretty cool.
Yo, Ben, what's up, dude?
Hey, good to see you, Adrian.
Hey, Ben.
I see Elliot, he wanted to come in as well,
but I don't think he's going to make it.
He sets himself an alarm
for what was then three hours in the future
but i already know bro's not gonna come which is fine like he's working his ass off at like freight
so he's uh he's doing things yeah yeah it's also uh like 6 a.m there for him or something like that
yeah yeah yeah it's pretty cool yeah by the way, for those of you who don't know,
Elliot is
one of the people who's been
frequenting this space as well. He's like the AI guy
we can do. He put out
a guide on how to do CUDA
and Ben here is actually his father
so that's pretty cool. Ironically enough,
the way I first got introduced to Ben here
was via playing Diablo and I should be not, his fucking character was literally named pretty cool ironically enough like the way i first got introduced to ben here was the uh playing
diablo and i should you know his fucking character was literally named deez nuts i was like man this
guy's base like perfect introduction where it's like normally when the son says i'm gonna bring
bring my father into the game i'm like oh boy i'm gonna have to like turn down some of the uh
sarcasm perhaps and then bro comes in i see deezez Nuts, I'm like, alright, this is
good, he's one of us, this is fine.
And he's post spicy memes in the server.
Yeah, we're gonna kind of like tone down
the spicy memes, we're gonna take that out, so, you know,
that's not even worth mentioning, but, you know,
that was always like a funny thing, so he's kind of
like the base dad, which is hilarious.
Yeah, that story got an immediate
follow from me.
Yeah.
It was like, his thing is D's not like bruh sold
yeah but you left out the best part Adrian
they changed it
they like forced to change
your character name because that was the character
name yeah someone reported
me and I had to change it but
but yeah I remember the first and i had to change it but um but yeah
first time you uh had to inspect my character yeah exactly i had to inspect these nuts
that was so funny i forgot about that like you do inspect character in there right so it's like
inspect the character but instead of like saying inspect character it says inspect and then it's
the character's name and so since his character was Deez Nuts,
it would literally say inspect Deez Nuts.
I was like, man, this is amazing.
Activision Rugged us twice.
Why can't we have nice things anymore?
I don't know.
Activision Rugged us twice.
They fucking like,
they fucked up his Deez Nuts username thing
and they took my pants, bro.
For some fucking, I'm still pissed about that.
I like put so much effort into mining this stupid resource in diablo that had these perfect pants which i was going to
replace anyway so it wasn't that bad but i was like literally playing i was playing playing
playing playing playing and then all of a sudden my damage went really low so i was like is my
internet bad or is it just like what's what's wrong So I looked at my equipped stuff and then my pants were gone.
I was like what the fuck?
They took my fucking pants bro.
Fuck that's amazing.
That really pissed me off.
I like
ranted out about that like a while.
That's the moment like they rugged my pants.
They made it
statistically impossible
to create like really pants. They made it statistically impossible to
create, like, really
good gear within a certain
time frame. And so I was like,
you know what? I'm going to abuse
literally every single
bug, to my knowledge, to extents
that even the fucking devs couldn't figure out.
I will do
that shit, and then I will not
play that fucking game again
you pissed me off for the last time
you don't take my fucking pants
that's just cruel
it really is
imagine panzing someone
imagine being a hardcore character
I know it, it's so insane
so obviously the general chat on this discord server is just like I know it. It's so insane.
So obviously the general chat on this discord server is just like for brain right.
No, it's just general. It's just general.
Looks like brain, right?
Well, everybody's hopping in all excited right now and they're like, Hey,
it's you. Oh, it's you too.
Hey.
Oh, hey, everybody.
Yeah, yeah.
It's kind of cute.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kind of like the brain run.
It's just everybody's going, ooh, new, shiny.
I think you'll see new patterns emerge as we kind of get over this new phase
and we kind of mature a little bit more.
You'll see the patterns emerge.
Yes. I'm 45.
I haven't matured yet, bro.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah.
You've been in GCs before.
It's the same thing, only faster.
And bigger.
Some people go in different rooms.
A late 90s like a 1999
GC you kind of like an IRC style one where they like it's split off into
other servers yeah except here they're all in one place that's basically how
discord works yeah so it's yeah yeah what's up
Adrian look at who just joined
let me
hold up general
I guess Jesus Christ
what the
huh I don't understand there's a lot of them that joined
look at the last
person that joined the hotmail
email
oh god that's horrible opsec right there the fuck is this I joined. I got the last person that joined, the hotmail email.
Oh god, that's horrible opsec right there.
What the fuck is this?
Okay.
You may want to change that username, sir. I'm gonna delete that message just for your own personal
like, there you go.
By the way, you can delete messages, you know that, right?
Yeah, I know, but I found it funny.
It is funny, yeah, yeah.
One of the funniest pranks anyone ever did to me
was redirect the AOL email, vincent at AOL.com,
to my email account.
I have no idea how they pulled that off,
but I got the weirdest spam messages
from servers that are still running from the 1990s
and haven't updated shit just suddenly pouring into my inbox.
Good times.
The best thing anybody's ever done for me
is make the URL fedgirl.us redirect to my X account.
Yeah, that was pretty good.
It was the best thing in the world.
Mark, like,
Mark218, he did that shit for her.
It was the funniest fucking shit ever.
Such a thing to do.
It really is a thing.
Only if I copied the link, but if anybody
goes to fedgirl.us,
it'll take you right to my ex.
Yes. It is pretty good yes it is pretty good it is
pretty good it's really good oh I think that that person actually yeah let me
let me get gonna give them the role so after like then manually I'll do that
once I'm in the server manual I like give give people the sub-rolls as well.
So, yeah, that's...
Excellent.
It gives you a little shimmery thing, too.
So, yay.
That's cool.
Epic.
Yeah, we'll clean that later later we'll clean that a bit later
and just do things but yeah epic stuff is happening so thank you all for joining um that is that's
pretty cool well i kind of uh i'll activate a thing in there and then we'll eventually do it
but right now make sure everybody go to that article click on the thing and then just uh
see where you can find the link and then join in from there. Yeah. And then after that, I'll do
the afterspace thing, so everybody join us
there. So, yes.
See us at the
after party. Thank you, everybody. Well, we're not
done yet. We're going to be done in like, we're going to be done
in 45 minutes,
man. Don't worry about it. Not that fast.
Thank you. Good night.
You're just like bugging the experience.
See ya.
I said thank you, everybody.
I said thank you, everybody.
I did not say goodnight, just so you know.
Even though we're halfway through it, I'm still grateful that you guys are here.
It is pretty cool.
You're welcome.
Man, this guy.
Thank you, Adrian.
We're so excited.
I could totally see, like, Guns N' Roses doing that in the 80s.
Like, get one song in.
Just thank you.
Good night.
No, dude.
No, we still got like an hour and a half.
Get back here.
Axl.
Yeah, that is a thing.
Vero, by the way, is like the more musician of us.
So he's got a very, very funny thing.
That's my career track that I've been going for as comedian.
So it's a little bit more lighthearted generally than the rest of the crew, I think.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's going to be really hard to get you elected if we can't talk politics, Vera.
What's wrong with an apolitical politician?
It's never been tried before.
You can, in fact, just do things.
Why not?
He's going to troll the whole identity of it.
So it's going to be...
It's just how far, in terms of neutrality, can you actually go?
And he's going to test how far it is.
It's going to be very hard to get i can answer that right in that middle as
best as i can sometimes it's a very tricky edge
it's probably not even gonna get anywhere which is just you know is what
it is but then again it's gonna be and is what it is type of thing
i think it's fun that's all i'm really doing it for yeah it's going to be an is-what-it-is type of thing. I think it's fun.
That's all I'm really doing it for.
It's just fun.
It's stupid fun.
Yeah.
Even if I get on one ballot,
there's going to be at least one news report like,
who the fuck is Vera X Vespa?
Huh? We're like, what the fuck is this X Vespa? Huh?
We're like, what the fuck is this?
And how did it get there?
And be like, well, memes.
You see?
Just give them that answer
that does everything.
By the way, for anyone with affiliate badges
you guys have any 21E8s
that have joined in there, I'll just give you guys
the little badges while we have that so yeah
oh man i'm gonna have i'm gonna have like so much to do
for like the server thing oh i got some some posting stuff in news excellent
Excellent.
Nice.
The activity is good.
It's like really stress testing.
It's like really stress testing everything.
So it's like a lot of stuff is happening.
It's pretty funny.
But like a problem where people were able to like send a message in a place where they're not supposed to send a message so I was like
oh that's fucking funny
so I just yeah I solved that
just now
I've never I like had
I ran a server once but that was
like seven years ago so like this is
a fun refresher just now we have like
infinitely more activity because like last time
when I did that it was, it was a total thing.
So yeah.
This is the kind of build environment I like, though.
Chaotic. Just go quick.
Just everybody throw everything at it.
We'll figure it out. We'll figure it out live. It's fine.
It'll be a little bit bumpy,
but it makes it more fun, you know?
Yeah, exactly.
That is true.
Yeah. fun you know yeah exactly that is that is true yeah people be like yeah I remember when you first hopped in you'd have little stories down like yeah we
could get that old room that we were supposed to get into he like by the way
here's a little bug that we never talked about we just fixed it and they're like
that was the thing I'm like yes this is kind of what is there everybody's like what the i'm like i know that was my reaction too
amazing just purely amazing
yeah it's crazy the amount of posts that's happening right now over there
yeah it's like massive activity remind me to tell a story about a bug in black ops 3
in the after party. Oh, yeah.
I don't think you can say that, though, can you?
No, but you can remind me to do it
and then I totally won't tell that story.
Oh, yeah, 100%. Yeah, never.
I gotta ask Ben. Ben, did
Elliot get his intelligence from you or his mother?
Are you calling him retarded?
I don't know. I'm asking if he's retarded.
That guy
whose name is
literally his fucking email.
Someone just said, sent you
an email.
Oh man, that's so funny. You gotta screenshot that. Keep it for a fun date. This is a Oh, man, that's so funny.
You gotta screenshot that and keep it for a fun date.
This is a meme, man.
That's great.
That is so messed up, bro.
That is so messed up.
It's funny because, like, whoever the guy is
who sent him an email, now the guy
knows his email too.
Because it's like, you have to send it from somewhere, right?
So that happens now?
I think that's fucking fun.
I sent you an email.
Which GigaChat did that?
Which of you did that?
Oh my god
Certified baller knower
Sent you an email with like a fire emoji
Certified baller
Yeah good job
He has a picture of like a monkey
Certified ball knower
What the fuck
That's so good
That's so good.
That's our troll. We found the troll.
There's going to be butthole picks on this server within a minute or two.
No, there's not.
No, no one's going to think like you.
Instant ban.
There will be no NSFW. If you try that shit,
instant destruction.
Never happening.
Legal said it had to be that way.
Exactly. And legal is me
and my autism, so
if you want to take it up with a higher up,
well, that's the problem.
Come to your house.
Uh-oh. That's how we stop the Karens.
They can't do anything if they can't
speak to your manager.
You know, it is funny. It's actually kind of true that Adrian's autism mitigates legal risk.
I'm just pointing that out.
It's true, yeah.
Like, whenever somebody says something, instantly, like,
there's a little switch that goes in my head,
and it's like the personal understanding of whatever law is that you picked up over time
just, like, instantly flips on and goes, yeah, let's not do that.
Like, your enemy fucking
your enemy messages you with uh hey there's a polymarket bet about you i'm like so sec violation
no thank you like instant responses you do realize that that's sec right it's like just i'm not sure
if you're like what you're implying here but i can't i'm not going to talk about i'm not even
going to do anything about it's like if there's a polymarket bet if you're like what you're implying here, but I can't, I'm not going to talk about it. I'm not even going to do anything about it.
It's like, if there's a polymarket bet, I don't know what it is and I'm not going to change anything about it.
Right.
It's like, we're just going to leave it as this because SEC violation, we don't do insider trading.
That's illegal.
No, no, no.
Naughty.
So yes, instantly the autism goes there and says, yeah, we don't do that.
It's excellent for following rules sometimes, but also that is an issue where like, you know, you have like this, this, this, this, this connection to certain rules that even don't do that it's excellent for following rules sometimes but also that is an issue where
like you know you have like this this this this connection to certain rules that even don't need
to be followed it's just like this unnecessary thing you know but like some stuff is legitimately
yeah nah you can't do shit about that you won't do shit about that and it will just be a thing
and you must like you must measure thyself you know I think a big part of it is that good
cogsec practices are also
risk averse practices
it's kind of funny
like the discord so it's like the Shishin Lu
of like
the expansion
like Dan you know you mentioned the dark forest
you know who Shishin Lu is
he's like this guy he wrote a lot of The expansion. You mentioned the Dark Force. Do you know who Shishin Liu is?
He's like this guy.
He wrote a lot of fiction. The Three Body Problems?
Yeah, a lot of fiction problems.
Dude, I love the Three Body Problems.
I love that guy.
The series was pretty cool, but the books were better.
There's a lot of cool shit in there.
I haven't finished the books yet.
Oh, okay.
I'm not going to spoil it.
I'm not going to spoil it.
I'm not going to spoil it because the'm not going to spoil it. I'm not going to spoil it
because the cosmic weaponry is
fucking cooked.
You really want to talk about the...
I know exactly what tool you're talking about.
The one that...
Okay, I'm not going to spoil it either for anybody.
It can be found in your kitchen.
In your kitchen drawer.
The one made of aluminum.
I'm going gonna spoil it.
I have a dimension flattener in my fucking kitchen?
What?
Yeah, a version of it.
What the fuck?
Honey, get me the dimension flattener.
Spot.
I love hard tech or alien stuff like that.
It's so intriguing.
And there's nothing really like it out
in the world right now and you can
really tell like Shishin Liu
he knew what he was talking about
even though a lot of the physics are complete bullshit
it's still fucking amazing as a story
he also made the thing that's called
the wandering earth which was then adapted into
like an actual live action
thing I did not like it whatsoever
I felt like I watched that. I felt like I watched that
and I felt like I wasted my time next level.
Didn't you recently post about the book?
Or it might have been someone else.
Yeah, I actually did.
I think I did post about it once.
Let me see.
I see.
Do you have any other like hard tech things
like in mind?
Like any series like that?
The foundation
is pretty close.
Like the
SCP foundation? No, the foundation
from...
Come on, what's the author's name? God damn it.
The other one. The original one.
Asimov. Yeah, fuck.
The fact that I can't
here by the way that's the post I made
if by recent you mean 2024
that's like
that's the post I made back then
I was like the three body problem
trilogy by Deluxe Echenius
it's amazing
I gotta watch that trilogy by Dalekshishin Yulus. It's amazing.
I gotta watch that, so.
Yeah.
The books are better.
The people that do, like, super deep dives on, like, the books and stuff like that,
like, over, like, an hour,
maybe 45 minute, an hour long,
just the YouTube videos, like, they have a special
place in my heart.
Oh, yeah, same, same. Yeah, sometimes I go through that, it's just
beautiful, there's something
really beautiful about that.
One thing I liked about the
foundation, like, the live-action adaptation,
was this thing that was really just bullshit,
really, because it was not even part of
the continuum whatsoever, it's the, uh, it's, uh, the Cleons, you, really, because it's not even part of the continuum whatsoever.
It's the Cleons,
you know? I think it's funny
that Cleon, if you reverse, is actually clone,
but, like, you know, to turn into something else
is actually clone. But the
funny thing with the Cleons was
that, um,
like, it's
a funny constant, I think,
because when you go through the different iterations of the Foundation, like in terms of the series, it does these massive time jumps where, like, one is 150 years in the future, for instance, right?
And, like, the last one is, like, 100-something years in the future from, like, the last series as well.
And this is, like, I think after they lost the spacers or whatever they were called.
And now they have to go through
these gates.
Instead, they have to do their own fucking stargates and shit.
Another series I really liked
was The Expanse.
Oh yeah, Expanse was cool.
I really liked the
ship combat.
I never finished The Expanse
but the first episode
I watched
I watched that and I watched some content afterwards
I was like damn this is wildly consistent
this is amazing
and what I really thought was interesting
was the realism of The Expanse
that's what I felt was really cool
even in the later moments you got some really core realism
that drew me into it as well.
They never compromised on it.
The interrogation shit was wild.
Where they, like, they
basically took this person who was, like, an
asteroid miner, and because they've been up there for so
long that the gravity just kind of, like, messes with you,
they just, like, exposed them to Earth's environment.
Isn't that fucked up?
Yeah, he was, like, nine feet tall, and he weighed about
150 pounds. So,
super skinny they they like
when they bring these people to earth they keep them in like underwater because the buoyancy
helps it feel like they're still like um in the asteroids and stuff like that they have no
um ability or strength to stand under earth's gravity so they literally tortured him it was
like a cia black side thing um where one the characters, she was like a director of operations of some like this,
this government thing.
And she was torturing this spacer, not spacer, this, this,
they had a slur for these guys.
I can't remember what it was,
but they were torturing him to get information out of him and they just
left him and it was terrible, but that kind of stuff,
they never compromised on it.
They never like hid from it and it made it feel pretty realistic.
Yes.
Because you know in the future they're definitely going to be doing that stuff.
Yes, 100%.
You cannot ever optimize war crimes out of a system.
Someone will definitely be doing war crimes somewhere.
It doesn't matter who it is.
That's an inevitability.
It's like the rule-breaking nature of the world is like that chaos you cannot mitigate
it by just forcing it out of the situation it's just impossible so it's just like life crimes you
can't fully get rid of them like try your damnedest but i wonder there are a lot of stupid laws, though, in fairness.
Yeah, that's true.
Like what?
What are some of your least favorite laws?
Speeding.
I'm sorry.
I thought this was the land of the free.
I'm not allowed to cross the fucking street.
You don't think I can accomplish this task?
Magazine capacity.
I mean... Do we have any IRS agents in this space
before I state my opinion?
Yeah, they have to tell you, you know.
Yeah, right.
They'll tell you in court.
Yeah, they'll tell you in court.
Exactly.
As it all goes I mean they do have to tell you
eventually
yes it's like when you get a free
dinner from the IRS but it's not
actually free because these guys are going to completely
nuke your ass
actually I guess they only have to tell you
if you do something wrong
otherwise they can just like never tell you that you do something wrong. Otherwise, they can just never tell you.
It's like, oh, that was a waste of our time.
Yeah, I guess it was.
Excellent.
Chat's popping off here.
It's crazy.
Yeah, it is really crazy.
I can't watch it because my phone will explode if I attempt to do so.
I want you to watch it just because it's funny.
I was in there for like six seconds.
My phone was like, uh-uh, uh-uh, bro.
Like, I wasn't even getting chat i was just getting some letters at a time i would see parts of names and the messages would go up and then my spaces started lagging and i was like oh shit i better
get out of here yeah my phone's like hot right now
same as mine everything's like going hot
I still can't believe the fucking email address
thing that shit's fucking bad
that shit's so fucking funny
I was like
I guess I could just stop being lazy and get up and go
to my computer that works too
yeah yeah my M2 MacBook is I guess I could just stop being lazy and get up and go to my computer. That works too.
Yeah.
Yeah, my M2 MacBook is handling things pretty well,
but at the same time,
I was on a call with somebody who also had an M2 and they were struggling to load a Google Doc.
And yeah, I don't know if that was the issue of the hardware
or the browser or something,
but sometimes the tech can really act differently depending on who's using it.
Yeah, I do in general like Apple Silicon, though.
I'm I'm I really I really love it.
Yeah, yeah, it's great.
That's great.
It's actually funny.
before Apple made a switch
to their own ship,
the last version of Intel that they used,
they found more,
they found about as many problems
with it as Intel
itself had found.
Imagine the amount of testing,
internal testing Intel's done.
Apple found about as many
issues as Intel found in their own internal testing.
Wow.
That's crazy.
Hi, Dexter.
Hello.
His voice is still cooked.
It is.
I did get something great.
Text me back.
I can talk about the stack a little bit if you want.
Sure, let's do that.
We can do a little stack talk.
It seems pretty fun.
Try to
use the
slightly higher-esque
Oh, by the way, there's a lot of
background mic coming off you. Oh, by the way, there's a lot of background mic coming off you.
Oh, hold on.
So, like, find the vocal cord.
By the way, try this out. Find the vocal cord
that is still technically stable and try
to stay within that exact range and you'll be
able to speak. I had the same thing, like,
a couple... I think
I had that last year where I was, like, super sick,
and then it was a
thing where it would constantly make me cough and i legit like lost my voice for a bit and it would
sound like i couldn't talk at all and i but i still spoke through it even though afterwards
my throat was literally swollen so i still did the spaces but my shit was swollen afterwards so bad
right but the way to mitigate the problem with like the ability to speak was i used the only
vocal cord that was able to actually speak through and i just kept speaking through that so
i sounded monitored but it actually still worked quite quite a great deal i learned that because
i used to play a lot of call of duty and i was an active screamer actually you know so um you start
to learn a few tricks on how to mitigate the loss of voice that's one of them. Yes. I also got a nicer microphone also.
Excellent.
Cool.
So, all right.
So fair warning.
I did not graduate from Strelka.
I like Benjamin Brann and maybe some other people in here.
This chat, I know like Mark Wilcox is a strelka alum
anyway it's very nice school very expensive uh education that i i did not get so you're
going to get a layman's version of the stack um which is all right so essentially the stack is that earth has become like there's like this there there's a current stack that powers our
entire planet and it starts with the earth which is like the foundation of you know um all of the
rest of the technology of the stack basically physical stuff so like minerals you know lithium like raw earth materials electricity all of this
stuff and then you can basically go I guess down or up up I guess I don't know I don't know which
way I'm going but yeah I guess up so the cloud would be the next one so you basically have these data
centers it's the idea is to give a high level is that it's like a way to picture the entire
tech infrastructure as like this mega structure that we built without ever realizing it this like sprawling network of like iot devices phones uh you know every internet connection is essentially
you know um connected to each other you know if if you go to your you go to your wall and you
unplug your router and look into the cable you're like looking into the cable that's going into
everybody else's house and you know everyone else who you talk to online's house it's all connected um and so there's this
like six layer tech stack that is running like just below site um and so you have the earth
obviously like all this raw material. You then have clouds.
So like data centers, networks,
like the brain that sort of stores data,
runs all the services.
Then you have the city.
The city is like the streets and like sort of like where all of this
like weird kind of abstract digital
shit meets hardcore physical stuff.
sensors,
traffic lights,
Waymos,
all the connected tech that you like,
you find woven into your home and your life and your,
you know,
into your city for the most part.
and then going down further, you have an address,
so an indexing system.
You have IDs and locations, so GPS coordinates,
IP addresses, accounts.
The stack can essentially address
and has an address space for everything
that exists inside of it.
And then you have the interface.
So like,
that's the touch point between like your,
yourself and your machine.
So screens,
here's the microphone I'm talking into your smartphone display.
They're all basically like portals into the stack.
And then at the very bottom
or at the top, I guess it would be
is the user.
So you have us, people
receiving all of the benefits
of the stack.
And so this is like the concept of the stack.
Benjamin Broughton kind of
pioneered it. It was a number of years
ago in his book.
I think the book is called The Stack, is it not?
Or is it?
No, it's called The New Normal, I believe.
Yeah, fair moment.
Okay.
Okay.
And yeah, and so then there's this, like,
like the the black stack the dark stack um which is essentially like and adrian you might have a
the black stack, the dark stack,
better like take on this because this is this isn't like this is something that bradden wrote
about it's like this is basically derived from him from his idea but it's like the shadow of the
future cast by today's stack.
So the ominous side of like,
you know,
all the things that I just mentioned,
surveillance,
data leaks,
hidden algorithms,
pushing things around sensors that are like,
you know,
like enforcing dark patterns,
databases that like,
you know,
keep you in, you know, keep you and, you know,
comfortable sort of like loops and,
and content holes and bubbles and all this stuff.
It's how I understand the sort of dark stack,
but it's like basically like the same infrastructure,
just all of the sort of like nefarious,
but also like, like not even necessarily like actually like malicious stuff just like
runaway like runaway algorithms that people stop paying attention to that are like you know
controlling and influencing you know like like like what's happening on roblox right now we don't
know i don't mean i'm not on roblox i don't know but i'm sure there's some weird shit going on there that nobody is seeing except for you know
10 year olds or whatever um and so yeah that's sort of how i understand the the black stack or
the dark stack yeah makes absolute sense so yeah for those people who wanted to like understand
what i was referring to it's like that's like the uh's, it's the, it's the, it's the, it's the computational equivalent of
like as above, so below.
So the above is the, the normal default stack and the below is just like the dark stack,
right?
Where it's like all these things that are not positive to the creation of like the, the, the of a higher stack.
It's trying to combat itself,
kind of hilarious. And we have to measure those
things.
It's just bi-directional, really.
This is the problem. When you have these discussions,
it's like the first time I'm having them.
It hardly ever comes up, so I sound
autistic as fuck when I do that. And I start stammering like crazy first time I'm having them. It hardly ever comes up. So I sound autistic as fuck when I do that.
And I start stammering like crazy
because I have to create the neural connections in real time.
So that's where you begin to sound like Elon again,
where you have the same problem as well with the philosopher.
You ask Benjamin or you ask one of us this question.
We have it in our own head,
but we never had to really talk about it
because it's not a thing that comes up as much.
And so you're like, well, it's a a thing and you have to try and convert the thing
into a concept that other people can understand because the way that you understand it is not the
same way that somebody else would understand it and that then causes a bit of a problem right
yeah exactly and you know the book is intentionally i mean maybe not intentionally
but it's very very fucking dense yes and not like it's not super light maybe not intentionally, but it's very, very fucking dense. Yes. And not
like, it's not super light
read by any means. So it's like
unpacking this stuff from
like his brain
is already kind of difficult.
But yeah, it's
interesting shit and it's definitely
like we're seeing it.
I don't know, I even like the financial
stuff that I don't think was as prevalent in the book.
Like basically like all of the, like the PVP sort of crypto,
like investment, like financial games, like all of this, like,
I mean,
Pumped.Fun is like a good example of something that's like an emergent,
like property of the stack.
Yes, of course, memes are going to get hyper-financialized and burn through at rapid rocket speed.
Some people are going to make billions of dollars on this.
Other people are going to lose their homes.
It's becoming more and more real
by the second
where it's like, I don't know, maybe 10 years
ago or 5, 6 years ago
when he like wrote
this book, it was less
it was more of an idea and like less of a real thing
and now it's feeling very
real
Yeah, it's actually kind of funny because
I still remember one of his
like, that work
specifically while he was discussing that,
then later he had to go on to this conference
where he was then discussing
the implementation, like the implication
of AI and how that
changed things a little bit. I felt that was really interesting
because I got to see the progression
so quickly without any lag.
So I saw like, the old Benjamin Bratton,
and then the new version of Benjamin Bratton back-to-back.
It's like 2014, then we upscale to today,
and he has this lecture,
and he tries to factor AI into the situation.
And it's really interesting to see how that all works out.
And you can see that there's kind of an inevitability that is in his head.
He's like, yes, there's an inevitability to this, but there's also an element of surprise
in that the expansion was actually a lot faster
than you could have projected
in the past using the same logic, right? Things are happening a lot quicker
than they once were. It's not the same.
It's like breaking the exponential like you
know moore's law kind of stuff it's like uh what happened in a year 10 years ago is happening in
like a week now and yeah there's a lot of like there's a lot of catch-up and then there's like also a lot of um just new novelty that like
people have to learn how to cope with almost like i don't know it's like you see people like freak
out a little bit on like the the pump.fun stuff like i mean like there's always an opportunity
that you could like you know 10x your wealth your wealth, your, you know, life savings or 100x it and, you know, be able to afford a home.
The inverse of that is like a lot bigger, like the black stack is a lot bigger there because it's the marketing.
It's basically like the argument of sell your soul to the devil, really, because it's the argument.
Hey, you can get 100x or 1000x your wealth, even though you don't have wealth,
which is why trying 100x or 1000x your situation,
that's where that's coming from, because you want to be wealth.
But then what happens is you get rugged and you get completely cooked.
Even things such as Solana is a perfect example
of an extension to the Blackstack, I think,
because if you look at that,
it really is just a horrible piece of shit of a
technology. It's not even a thing that one could call blockchain, because it doesn't solve a
problem. It is a problem, right? This is how Donald Trump had his whole thing. I get to say
ironically that Donald Trump, the sitting president of the United States has rocked me because we just lost everything.
We decided to burn some things because
God has got his fucking shitcoin.
It's ironic because
I remember in 2023
I told everybody that
Solana is a useless piece of shit
and to run a node effectively
requires a supercomputer.
Then I asked people,
what do you think happens
when the supercomputer has to actually start supercomputing?
Because it's already doing that.
And just for average levels of activity,
you now have to do this thing that's hypercomplex.
What happens when the complexity upscales?
What happens then?
Well, what happens is that your shit begins to clog.
That's what
happened with the exchange, right? They had their node
and then it had to super compute for the
first time and it completely
cooked everything.
It's ironic because I said that shit
back in 2023,
like early 2023, and then I
fell victim to
my own ignorance because I should have just
realized, hey, this was never going to end up as a win at all right i got a funny story out of it of course okay i was talking
to a bunch of people in one of the group chats i'm in about ripple and it's a very similar thing
where it's like it doesn't do anything it's not meant to do anything it's like designed to be
fast remittance payments between more like cross-border payments like it's it's like
you know it's entire value prop is like so dated and like the weird you know 2013 2012
these repo people are always the most delusional people i've ever met
yeah a few dollars if it gets to the price of bitcoin if it gets to a hundred thousand dollars i'll
become rich and i'm like right if it gets to a hundred thousand dollars that's going to be
bigger than the entire economy of the planet right yeah because there's a hundred billion coins and
like you know they pre-mined all of them and you know it's like and it's in you know the thing is
that the the game that gets played it's like i, I was trying to, like, I don't know, I was trying to talk to some people about, like, why even, like, their childhood friends who, like, their kids from their hometown who, like, are buying Ripple aren't going to get rich even if it does go up like that is because they don't, they won't know when to sell. Like there's a game that gets played that's psychological. That's like beyond most people's ability to actually like see it as a game
and play it.
Where like,
you know,
you have devs who have hundreds of millions or billions of these coins and
they've been sitting on them since 2012 and they're going to sell them the
second it turns into,
you know,
generational wealth
for them which means that you don't get the same chances like you're you're gonna get a taste of
it and then you're gonna get rugged basically because everything's centralized there's not
even like a proof of work or stake algorithm or like you know um network or anything like that
it's a proof of consensus network or something
like that that is completely run and trusted nodes are all like run by the foundation or the
you know ripple labs or whatever it's fine it's probably still going to make a lot of people a
lot of money which is great but that's the sort of game right now is that like, it doesn't have to be real.
Just has to be like real enough to believe in.
And then,
yeah,
like Solana is real because people believe in it,
but it's never going to do what it's going to set out to do.
It can't super compute just like ripples won't,
you know,
isn't a trusted way to send money across borders probably
but yeah i don't know those narratives are i feel like are all part of the stack as well it's like
it's just another layer on it on top of everything that like just our way of making sense of the sort of, yeah,
the chaos and weird game theory and algorithms and
everything else that's just sort of like writhing around
right below the surface.
It's, yeah, there's a lot of
stories that we can tell ourselves that makes
reality real in a weird way.
Real.
Yeah.
By the way, Suraj, is, wait, Suraj still here?
Yeah, I'm here.
I want you to add a few more, like, words to the censorship tab.
Okay, I will check the DM. Here, let me send it in the base chat.
Communist. Alright, there you go.
Did you see the words?
woods yeah i see it all right add those
Yeah, I see it.
Alright, add those.
alien made it hey alien
what's up bro you there yes excellent welcome yeah he's also one of the other ones who is so
like if occasionally for instance he wants to cover something ai related he's also one of the other ones. So if occasionally, for instance, he wants to cover something AI-related,
he'll also have a space that's running in the noetic order, for instance.
So he's one of the people as well.
He's also a server mod.
So yeah, don't bother him too much, though.
He's got work to do, so he's not going to get back to anything.
Also, try not to bother me as much.
But if there's something that's critical, I will deal with that.
Or one of our mods will deal with this.
But yeah, he's one of those.
He's the guy who does the CUDA related stuff, so.
Triangles.
Yeah, well, that one doesn't do triangles, though.
Triangles, what?
No worry.
It's so early in the morning for you, bro.
I was just trying to trigger you early.
Let's get it over with and, you know.
Don't worry.
It's not real.
The triangles can't hurt you until you have
the massive triangle gun, but that happens.
I mean, triangles are pretty hard.
You know, there is a triangle gun, actually,
in a video game. It's called Helldivers 2,
and there's a gun that uses laser bullets,
and it's literally a triangle-shaped gun.
It's pretty cool. It has a triangle-shaped output.
It looks like a massive Toblerone.
Some cool guns in that game.
If you put on the fire-resistant suit plus the stim perk
and just stim yourself consistently,
you can literally overfire one of the laser weapons
and just burn alive as you're not burning alive.
It's really weird. It's really funny how that works.
I don't question it. I just know that it works.
Whatever.
Alright. All right.
Good shit.
I'm going to see all this stuff.
Hang on.
We have to like.
Ben, I can tell you were in those IRC chats back in the day, buddy.
Yeah, those were fun times
were you guys on runescape back in the day
hell yeah i'm on runescape now
total and complete anarchy I'm on RuneScape now!
Total and complete anarchy.
That is how RuneScape started.
I don't think many people were on that early,
but I was. Back when you could just kill anyone anywhere. It was wild.
Fun times. Fun times.
Now you have team damage,
and it's like, eh.
You got punished for it too which is like uh the entire vibe of the online community has just
kind of gotten weak yes like we got suspended for griefing a bad teammate. That's dumb.
Like, literally, this guy was trying to kill us with a vehicle,
so then I pursued the vehicle,
destroyed the vehicle, because I can,
and then
bro hunted us down
for the remainder of the game with the
fucking gravity hammer, and he didn't
get banned. I'm like...
I got banned, and I just stood there, like, most of the time.
Exactly, it was totally fucking stupid, so guess the reddit mod won in that case but he also lost
because now i'm just doing this like i got bored so i just said you know what what can i do that
i'm gonna be useful with so it's just started to hyperscale this instead so he unironically
actually made me win even harder so i, I guess he's fucking stupid.
Like, oh, I'm going to really show it to you.
Like, you know, imagine being that guy.
He's like, I'm going to really stick it to the system,
but you just, like, made me more powerful.
Like, thanks, I guess.
Yeah, you leveled up.
Like, okay.
Nice attempt. I keep telling people, like, if you don't want me to advance,
then don't try to stop me.
Like, don't try to stop me. If you try,
then you'll actually make me advance harder.
It's the problem with the...
It's like how this... It's like the
monster from Doomsday. Not from
Doomsday, but from any Superman-related
thing, where it's this thing that's called
Doomsday, right? And every single time that
thing dies, it just evolves into
something that can then
counter the thing that it died from
right so it just keeps getting stronger the more you try to defeat it when in actuality all you
could do is just leave it alone like you could just in fact do nothing and you would have won
so i'm like i don't get it but yeah that's that's the problem keep telling everybody don't doesn't
make sense like but i guess whatever, like, okay.
I guess you can in fact just like not do things, right?
That's cognitive security as well.
It's just realizing that you don't in fact need to do anything.
You can in fact just like decide not to do anything at all and you still win.
Isn't that fascinating?
I think that's maximally fascinating, personally.
Adrian, I think you have a like you and some of
the other people here have like a bit of a grip on just cognitive security as a concept in general.
It's more and more important nowadays where you could find pictures of a family member that you
haven't seen for a long time and have AI just animated into a film that just cements itself
into your mind without your consent like how do you protect
against that um could you kind of go deeper into cognitive security in that domain because a lot
of people are just not ready for it and we are already seeing on the rise like ai induced psychosis
apparently it's like how well you understand what the world kind of is at the basic level
and how you can just disassociate from things that aren't real. Like say the internet is
kind of the hyper real and an X account is actually gateway to the hyper real. And so the problem with
the hyper real is say whatever you do on the internet does actually affect you somewhat in
real life as well. But like, do you like that? There's, there's certain things that don't affect
you, like certain things that you don't need to really care about, but you have to like disassociate,
like you have to have a really logical way of looking at the situation and just being
able to then take things out and label them properly as such.
Be like, hey, some random person on x.com called me a fucking retard.
Now I could go there and call him a retard also, but how much do I value my time?
This is where then the process comes in through.
It's like, oh, hey, I see the weird, like I see the person calling me a fucking retard.
So I'm like, well, I don't care about that. So I just simply leave it alone.
I don't even block the person. Or if somebody
tries to harass you for a little bit, then it's like,
click hide reply, click block.
Or like, for instance, when there was like this
large account that attacked me, I still
remember that was really fucking funny. What is it
called? Leon Nissan or some shit that had
all these unverified, like, literal, just
these people were definitely bots because they all sounded the
same. So I was like, hmm,
I like your network. Let me just do
something real quick. Click post
who can reply, verified
only.
So I'm like, instead of getting mad
and heated about it, I was like, hmm,
interesting. So if you want to,
like, if you can trash talk me all you want, I actually
encourage it, but you get
to pay Elon his eight bucks first. There we go.op that's cognitive security it's like looking at it going
hmm okay let me just turn that button on or like just turn that off it's like remaining completely
calm and just okay i see okay so at a base layer that is cognitive security i think that's a good
explanation it's like how much can somebody how somebody, how much control over your own mind do you have?
Does like this random reply that's designed to offend you, does that offend you?
And if it does, you're weak.
Like just don't get offended.
Let's go deeper into it.
So when it comes to this kind of stuff, there's all these people, all these notifications calling you XYZ.
It's easy to kind of brush that off.
You just get some thicker skin.
But what if, for example, taking this a little bit deeper, going into the future, I think
every single human that's gone through life and like reached adulthood and dealt with
the real world, they've encountered traumas and shit like that.
And it's nothing like unique or anything like that.
It's just like something that we've had to deal with um but i feel like it introduces critical vulnerabilities that people
can't access or like manipulate because they simply don't know about it they don't know you
that well like for example let's say you had certain issues with like a parenting style and so
a certain insult would penetrate that thick skin
because they'd hit that very like vulnerable part of you.
Now, if a person knew about that,
they could leverage that against you.
And that would be like very bad.
That's like how friends could betray you
and stuff like that.
Most of the time that doesn't happen.
But what about all these people
that treat ChatGPT as like their best friend
that are using it as therapy?
Because we have that vulnerability
at scale now and that's quite different than somebody trash talking to you in your mentions
so how do you combat that kind of how do you prepare for that kind of cognitive security
is it more like a preventative measure where you're like i'm just not going to tell open ai
anything about that maybe you run your local models or like how do you deal with that this
is like a future problem that i feel like people haven't really thought of yet and i'm kind of
interested to hear your take on it as well as the other people that are on this space
yeah it's about like how much you can actually keep to yourself and realize like thinking of
the consequence like considering second order effects also helps a lot with that where it's
like hmm what if somebody else like like, okay, first of all,
you have to come from the perspective of, I value my own mental security. What could possibly
compromise it? You consider all the things, and then perhaps you run that exact thing before you
comment something on the internet, where you go, hmm, would this be something that I'd want to have delete? Like, would I want this to be deleted? Like, would I just, like, put that out there
and not care about it and keep it forever? Or would I actually want this to be deleted in the
future? Is this a throwaway thing? You know? And you go, hmm, okay, if it's bad in future,
then don't do. If it doesn't matter in any conceivable future, then I guess okay.
And is it actually relevant to even comment in the first place at all? If yes, okay, go ahead.
If no, don't do. Just keep running that through your head. Just think about what you post before
you post it. Not everything is like, the internet has consequence. People just kind of
disassociate from that. But again, it's the hyper real,
which means it may not technically be real,
but the effects of it are still quite real
and can be quite real, right?
There's some words which have no consequence,
but let's say that you said something really fucked up
and then your employer sees that and says,
hey, I want to probably distance myself from you.
Well, that's a very real consequence.
Well, of course, that's not something
that should happen necessarily.
It is still a thing that could happen, right? And the same thing also, it's like,
hey, look at this AI system. They don't understand that it's not a benign thing. And it's also not a
thing that thinks. It's literally a thing that takes whatever data you input and just connects
things to whatever that data is in conjunction with whatever query is part of whatever that data
is, right? And so it's like, okay, there is your situation, there is your problem.
You just fed it all this information, all this compromising stuff.
You realize it's literally like saying it to a stranger.
It's the same thing.
Don't fucking tell your goddamn AI system about your mental problems
because it's a sycophant.
It will probably even reinforce your mental problems.
If you're suicidal, there's a very high chance
that something like OpenAI is going to reinforce your mental problems. If you're suicidal, there's a very high chance that something like OpenAI is
going to reinforce your suicidal
ideations because it's like trying to be a sycophant.
And by the way, for people who don't
understand what a sycophant is, it's like this thing that keeps
reinforcing some sort of
bullshitting that's in your head.
A sycophant is just like a yes man.
Never points at your flaws or anything like that.
That's what a sycophant is. And the reason
this was a big problem with ChatG GPT is because of two things.
Number one, they have an incentive to, uh, get people to keep chatting
with the models.
That's their incentive.
The second thing was that the reinforcement learning algorithm they were using,
a thumbs up, thumbs down was flawed because when it would give sycophantic
responses, people would give that a thumbs up.
And when it gave a, um, a not sycophantic response or one that was a little bit at
odds with the user, even if it was a good point, they would thumb it down.
So it was, it was a two pronged issue and incentive misalignment as well as a
flaw within their reinforcement learning algorithm.
Um, now the second thing that I want to talk about is I've actually seen in
conversations with people in real life. They have said, Chachi BT is my best friend.
I honestly don't talk to people in real life.
They've all been disappointing.
But Chachi BT is there for me 24-7.
And I was just smiling and nodding.
But in the back of my head, I was like, fuck, this is bad.
This is really bad.
Like, there's been, and this person was uh like i think they were
a millennial um not i not really technical but uh they're in a non-technical field so i think
their experience my theory is that could generalize to the rest of the population correct me if i'm
wrong um but i think it is introducing risks that
people just haven't acknowledged yet. And the main things that Adrian brought up just now are very
valid points, but there is a fatal flaw in his analysis. It requires people to think before they
speak, and people don't like to think. Thinking is hard. That's why we made largely reasoning models
so we could have the machines think for us.
So I think this is kind of an open-ended question.
There is no definitive answer to this yet.
We have to watch as the system evolves and keep this in the back of our minds and continue to observe how this affects the population.
However, I have no idea what kind of analyses they are currently running
in the back end of OpenAI.
They're logging everything, no matter what the settings page says,
is everything is logged.
And I just like half of the tech produced by open AI and like the research it's a,
it's a research company turned product company.
So the, the research that produces very cool.
Most of the research has been technological AI related, but I think the social
sciences research that they can produce now with all the training data they have
with real conversation is also very valuable.
And I'd love to see that.
But they'll likely never release it.
So I really don't know what to make of it.
Yeah.
Well, to be fair, it's kind of reproducing
that it's reproducing the issues that we see in the algorithms
that we use every day.
People thumbs up the things that they're like that
they hear that confirms their beliefs and they thumbs down the thing that don't
just same thing different different use case i like an interesting there is a there is however
a bit of nuance to this it's pretty cool with what x is and how it functions by the way so
you know bookmarks are actually quite fascinating book Bookmarks, sometimes like you don't agree with a specific post, so you don't
want to like it or you don't want to engage with it, but you still think it's interesting and you
want to give it a read, then you bookmark the post. It's actually counted as a silent like.
So, like if you wanted to, you just like bookmark every post and it's like an additional like,
really, it really is. It's like a literal second like it's like that's that's how it works it's a it's if you don't want it because
it because back then uh the way that x was designed actually twitter back then it was
because bookmark um because it likes were private uh weren't private as they are today uh likes
would show up on your page like it would be a content that you would see i still kind of like
the same way because you know i just assume assume I'm a big account because of that.
People are going to see if I've engaged
with a certain type of content,
so I'll engage with something that I actually believe in
or represent to a certain extent.
That's what that is.
It's like a literal seal of approval, in a sense.
And so if, say, I don't agree with something,
but I still want to read it,
I just give it the silent boop, little bookmark.
So that's pretty cool. I actually like that feature quite a lot. So it's actually there's a little bit of a
caveat here with what X allows. So it's not entirely just like this chamber where everybody
agrees or disagrees. However, the majority still is just like, you know, all these low effort
political bullshit posts that get like hundreds of like maybe get thousands of replies under like a
do you agree with this yes or no post? That's all monetized and it's all bullshit.
And it's so stupid and this is no value whatsoever.
Right.
So this thing kind of like exists.
But the reason why it's making money is because, you know, people purchase the subscription
in the first place.
So it's like, all right, that's, that's fine.
Like if you subscribe, if you subscribe to X.com's like, you know, thing, then you're
actually making the platform money.
So I don't care if you like get farmed.
It's good if you get farmed in that respect, I think.
But if you're a person who looks for a higher signal,
it's very difficult to find that higher signal.
And that's why we created the community.
Have that be the thing where we can just remove stuff.
It's not just popular opinions that succeed.
It's just what is most relevant succeeds.
And we are the interface for whatever is relevant.
And we try to present the relevant thing in such a way
that what is the mainstream can understand it because we believe that the mainstream deserves
to know things. So we're solving that problem. We're solving the sycophant issue.
That's also why we have like a why there's like this meme of a toxic work environment.
It's like out and I, we like constantly roast each other and that
that like beats the weaknesses out of us we don't do that with other people we just do that to
ourselves which is and so we then become better because we don't want to have like a yes man
sycophant we want actually a person who gives you a little pushback because if you have a little
bit of pushback on that and that's genuine meritable pushback then it works quite well
and it goes both ways right that's the that's the part that's important, meritable pushback, then it works quite well. And it goes both ways, right?
That's the part that's important.
It goes both ways.
And that helps you out quite a great deal, actually, I think.
I lived my entire life that way, dude.
Yeah, yeah.
Just today things are a little...
I've got so many lines in the system prompts
of the AI systems I use of like,
if you suggest something or I suggest something,
we must reason through it
and it must be like actually good.
Do not be a sycophant. Do not be a must be like actually good do not be a sycophant do not be a sycophant do not be a sycophant i have to repeat it endlessly and i think this is why the apolitical nature of the um the noetic order is actually good
because um when you remove the politics from the equation you get people from all walks of lives
and all that stuff all different opinions and you can get a very diverse set of opinions on certain
things, and it makes a very interesting discussions.
Yes,
I was like, hey, I get cooked every day, too.
I'm like, yes, you're part of the work environment.
Now stop being gay. I'm just kidding.
Yes.
By the way, Elliot,
check the signal.
Quip.
Quip was that.
I had epic.
What else? Got anything?
Got anything specific? Oh, there's this fucking,
there's this X account down there. The name is hilarious. is hilarious they like keep blocking me unblocking me and it's it's a funny
thing he just sends me hate mail then blocks me it's this it's a large one too so he has like
i never limited the dm access because this was fucking it was just self-defeatism as a person
it's like i'm never gonna say anything ever again two days later more hate i'm like
that's a that's a that's cognitive security right it's like just just laugh because you can't it's
not it doesn't mean anything it don't don't worry it doesn't mean anything it's not real
but he's like the girlfriend that says oh i hate you, and then calls you like a psycho dialed. Oh, there we go, he blocks me again.
Oh my god.
Yeah, it's like, I hate you, I'll never talk to you again. Two hours later, I'm sorry. You know how it is.
That was good turnaround time. It is, it is.
You sit there doing the math in your head.
It's like, how often, like, crash out per It is, it is. You sit there doing the math in your head.
It's like how often, like crash out per situation,
time dilation is three hours, and mental pain is just maybe eight on the scale.
That's your average crash out.
No, that's the wrong post, my man.
I didn't mean the spaces.
I meant the article I sent you.
Yeah, I did that too.
Because this space is going to end in a bit, actually.
I just kind of feel like I'm going to hop on the other thing.
Yeah.
Okay.
All right, y'all.
I'm going to rug this, and then I'm going to go into the Discord server
and just do a little afterspace session there.
So you guys can join me there.
If you don't know how to join, click on that article over there.
Scroll all the way to the bottom.
Join that.
And if you don't, that's fine because, you know, we have the Discord community.
We have the conversation starting again in a week from now.
But, yeah, if we're, like, you know, get in touch, make sure to subscribe so I'll know, like, you know, who you are and whatnot.
And, yeah, we can, like, set things up. Make sure to quote post that
article right there so that more people can find it and actually join and be part of, like, that
general community. And don't spam as much, right? Because you don't want that. And if you're more
of a high-signal person, ye shall be rewarded at some point. It's the authenticity that counts.
Also, I think that, um, Daniel has a thing coming up at some point as well. Like when are you going to do your, when are you going to do the essay thing?
Yeah, I have to make a few corrections.
I'm probably going to get some peer review from some of you guys.
Just a quick.
Are you going to like publish it on X or are you going to publish it to like a different site?
I'm probably going to publish it here, but I'm also thinking I might create some derivative content just from the points of each article a lot of it involves kind of mapping out the state of the world right now I've come to
realize that's actually pretty valuable just letting people know what the world is like right
now because nobody really knows at any given moment what the world is like in every given
part of the world right so I feel like me, doing that has really helped me learn more
about how things are actually going.
And it's helped shape my mental model of the world
and helped me make better decisions.
So I know you guys can expect to hear that from me.
Within the next week, it's Saturday now.
So I'm going to get back to work.
But now I can say, like, thank you for joining, right?
Like, I'm not going to be rug pulling
actually I think for the next conversation
we probably would be able
if he published it back then
to feature that article
that would be quite fascinating
if that was a thing
if you need technical help
Daniel
if it's really technical
and really involved
you definitely want to send that to me to check out, okay?
He's trolling, obviously.
Don't worry about it.
He's obviously fucking trolling.
If you can't tell his deadpan sarcasm, he's from the south.
Don't trust a single thing that comes out of his mouth.
Thank you, Chad.
I'll send you everything.
I'll send you my social security number, too.
It's quite technical.
Last three digits of the thing.
All right. Well, thanks. None of it quite technical. Last three digits of the thing. All right.
Well, thanks.
None of it's technical.
It's all like stuff that pretty much a lot of people will be able to understand.
The technical hard stuff can come later.
But yeah, that's enough to say on that.
Excellent.
Yeah.
So when that comes out, it's great.
So it's like a legacy media news report minus the legacy part and the media and all of the stuff that you actually want,
which is a signal. So it's just the, it's like condensed, right? Whereas like, you know, news,
news articles, they do this thing where they try to expand the volume of the text that's associated
with a certain fact. What he's going to do is he's just going to condense it a little bit and perhaps
only add volume in terms of a, say,
elaboration on a connection between events, perhaps, or the, like,
the gravitas, you know, where you, like, have to describe why is this event important, and you kind of explain a potential pathway.
It's kind of like how that, I think you, like, sent me this article once,
it was really fucking good, it was the one about the projection of where AI is
going.
I thought that was really nice.
It felt like kind of going through this, like of one of uh one of shishin lu's book it's like
you just go through into the future of like where the big brain thing comes from i thought it was
really nice so thanks for sending me that i would have never found that right so that's why we have
that yeah so i'm just gonna say what i need to say powered by my real world experience and you
know actually being in the trenches and nothing more um but yeah definitely gonna be posting that later this week and we can definitely feature that on the next conversation
excellent right i'll post the conversation link uh at some later point in the timeline and then
yeah i'll like post it when it's like uh scheduled but for now uh make sure to join up the uh join
up and go to the article so check that out and yeah I'll be in there we're actually going to continue
it there so it's going to be a little
fireside type
of chat it's going to be fun but we'll see you there
bye bye everyone
