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The Conversation with @thevivafrei
Recorded: Sept. 6, 2024 Duration: 2:37:03Space Recording
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Mic check, mic check.
Yep, that's working.
What's up?
Viva, is everything working on your end?
I think so.
If you can hear me, I can hear you guys.
Perfect, yes.
All righty.
And I just tweeted it out one more time.
Yeah, this should be a fascinating show.
So for those of you who are unaware, of course, there has been a lot of controversy because of funding for attended media.
Actually, Viva, how about you explain this?
Because I think you'd be better equipped at explaining what this is.
Oh, yeah, absolutely.
The funny thing is I just had on Taylor Hanson, who was, I think, one of the few employees of Tenet Media who's now out of work because Tenet basically had forced a closed shop.
So Tenet Media, all this, we have to preface all of this by saying that none of the names of the entities or the people in this were specified in the indictment, except for the two Russian entities, the alleged Russian entities.
But the indictment was so ridiculously thinly cloaked in terms of who the founder one, founder two and who the parties were that everybody knew immediately.
It was almost a joke that they how they purportedly attempted to not disclose their identity.
But Tenet Media, Tennessee based company founded by Lauren Chen and her husband, Liam.
And I forget his last name, but it doesn't matter.
I mean, I've known them for years.
Also, I'll give full disclosure on that.
We're both from Montreal and she's a good person.
And I'm very skeptical of everything that's going on right now.
But there was an indictment that allegedly this media company had taken financing, was basically receiving monies from Russian entities or employees of Russia Television or Russia Today RT and was contracting with big name, quote, conservative right wing commentators in the States through Tenet Media who were then allegedly somehow doing Russia's bidding by producing content.
Their own content without editorial oversight from the Russian entities for Tenet Media and this indictment came down basically charging the two Russian entities of this who are allegedly employees of RT with money laundering and far violations, that being foreign agent registration act violations on the basis that I guess they were somehow doing lobbying of foreign interests without disclosing it or registering it here.
And the poop hit the fan in that there's a bunch of prominent conservatives who were the, you know, the names and faces of Tenet Media in that they got contracted on Dave Rubin, Tim Poole, Benny Johnson, Laura Southern and their old Matt Christensen, Matt Christensen.
And then Tucker was in there somewhere, but he's not, he was not, he was not contracted with Tenet Media and I don't know if I sufficiently accurately without going into too much detail summarized it, but the indictment came out and now everyone's accusing right wing conservatives of being Russian stooges inadvertently or surreptitiously parading, parroting Russian talking points.
Accusing Lauren Chan of knowingly accepting Russian monies and not disclosing it, concealing it from the creators and content talent that they had contracted on with Tenet Media, the company that she started.
And it feels and smells a whole hell of a lot like Russiagate 2016, but version 3.0.
Yeah, so that's basically the breakdown.
And also what I would want to know is like, who are you basically?
Because, you know, we often get asked, like, you know, who are you, right?
Well, okay, good, good, good question.
I take for granted.
Everybody knows me.
My name, my real name is David Freiheit.
Everybody thinks, I mean, I don't know.
Only people from Twitter think that I'm the Viva Freiheit black avatar because David Freiheit, born and raised in Montreal, youngest of five kids, studied philosophy, got an honors degree, studied law, practiced law for over 13 years, 2007 to give or take 2000.
I relinquished my license in Quebec when I left to Florida because I was paying, you know, 3,000 bucks a year to have people file anonymous complaints against me at the Bar Society because they don't like tweets of mine.
But basically that's it.
You know, I was a practicing lawyer, commercial civil litigation up in Quebec, never really liked it, always dabbled in content creation, had a YouTube channel called Viva Fry, and started building up a niche of legal analysis back in 2016, although I wasn't quite as opinionated then as I am now.
And, you know, at some point discovered you have to tell people what you think when you're telling them why you think it.
And COVID hit, world changed, and then I ended up fleeing Canada, if only temporarily to the States to watch, you know, our respective countries burn politically in the interim.
Yeah, very cool.
I think it's often, I've asked myself this as well because I'm relatively new on the scene.
Like about, I think this is, what I do here is about a year over a year and now.
So, again, I'm also still very new.
So, this is like a, this is like a very strange thing for me even when I see how everything is kind of like moved around.
And ironically enough, I saw the existence of tenant media just like expand over time, and I was always wondering, you know, what is going to happen in regards to this?
Because I thought, you know, it's kind of odd that you'd have this organization that just exists there.
And, like, tell us more about tenant media.
What is, what is tenant media?
Well, as far as I understand, it's, you know, Lauren started up the company.
I've known Lauren from Canada when we were both, you know, everybody was at some point in time starting to realize that Canada might be a place where content creators are going to have to jump ship because we had a bunch of, you know, a bunch of laws come into effect, online streaming acts.
Now you have the Bill C-63, which, you know, seeks to expand on the term of hate speech and all that stuff.
And so a lot of content creators up in Canada were saying, like, we've got to get the hell out of here because when these laws pass, they're basically going to demote Canadian content.
And I don't know exactly if that was her motivation, but a lot of us at the roughly the same time were looking to get out of Canada.
And I was running for the People's Party of Canada up in Canada in 2021, where I humorously and fortuitously said, you know, I'll run for the country before I run from the country.
And when the liberals got elected, I ended up leaving a little bit later.
But as far as I understand, Lauren, you know, looked for a free state, ended up in Tennessee and started this company from the allegations of the indictment relatively recently.
And it was supposed to, I imagine, from what people believe, it was, I presume she had a desire to have it rival the Daily Wires, have it be something of a, you know, a free thinking, but maybe conservative leaning platform that brings on free thinking, conservative thinking, right wing content creators.
And she was going to build something up.
And, you know, the, I had on Taylor Hanson today, who was explaining a little bit more of the ins and outs of the business, although not in thorough detail because he was an employee and not one of the founders.
But basically, you know, they were looking for financing from what I was explained from Taylor.
They found what they thought were, what's the word, philanthropists from Europe, overseas, who were willing to, you know, put up some money.
They were, you know, very exquisitely wealthy, put up some money to, you know, seed finance this enterprise.
And so they signed on a bunch of big names through Tenant Media.
And, you know, I don't know the full details right at the beginning, but they got, what they basically did was get content creators to license their stuff through Tenant.
So it wasn't even, as far as I understand, with one exception maybe, it wasn't even as though Tim Poole, Dave Rubin were creating content specifically and exclusively for Tenant.
It was, they were licensing it to Tenant so that Tenant could build up its brand, build up its reputation as a conservative free thinking platform.
And they were being paid handsomely to license it out as they're within their rights to ask and get.
And, and for those, I mean, since the inception, it seems that they've been under investigation since the inception.
Taylor Hanson, the employee that I interviewed today, he was the guy who shot the Ashley Babbitt footage of the shooting on January 6th.
And he's the guy that outed or at least disclosed the identity of the cop who pulled the trigger.
And he's the one that came out and said it was totally unlawful.
It was totally basically a summary execution.
And he, as he explained to me today, was put on the, basically considered to be a domestic terrorist.
And the FBI, DOJ, whatever, had him on, you know, that, that, that quad S fly list.
And so he was public enemy number one from a long time.
And he was the first employee to join Tenant Media.
So I do wonder if this isn't even broader than what we initially thought it was,
which was just an attempt to sow discord and take down conservatives, or at least cause, cause a rift two months out of the election.
Yeah, interesting.
So that as well, um, about the January 6th thing, I don't really know much about that, but that's interesting.
Wow.
Didn't know that.
Yeah.
Well, I didn't know that.
I mean, I, I knew you put two and two together, but sometimes a little, not too late, but just, you see things, you don't know who shot the video.
Uh, and then you remember having seen interviews.
So when I put that, when he made that connection to me, I I'm thinking, you know, this is, this seems even more potentially, I won't say nefarious, but at the very least opportune or, uh, uh, as a, as a setup would go,
Tenant Media sounds like it would have been public enemy number one from the get go, which if you're dealing with, you know, Oh, by the way, I should add this in all of the investigation and the, and, you know, in the indictment and everything,
they never once interviewed this employee of Tenant Media.
And I'm not sure that they ever even interviewed, uh, Lauren Chen, but they were the, the intelligence or the, uh, DOJ was infiltrated thoroughly into the, all of the ins and outs of this company and discords in, uh, you know, in their chats.
And so, uh, look, I, I passed this prologue, nothing about this makes much sense.
I know all of the players involved.
You couldn't pay Dave Rubin or Tim Poole or Matt Christensen enough for them to spout an opinion that's not their own.
Um, and even according to the indictment, the indictment alleges that, you know, although you had this foreign money and set that aside as to where it came from, whether or not it's even criminal to take philanthropic donations to, to, to start an enterprise, uh, even the indictment says that there was no uniform messaging through Tenant Media or its content creators.
So very hard to imagine how this could be a, a mouthpiece of the Russian government.
If there was no editorial oversight or uniformity of messaging by the allegations of the indictment itself.
Indeed.
Yes.
Yeah.
This is always the thing that I see as well with any kind of legal proceeding is that it is kind of like used as a means to kind of, I don't know, cast shade on something.
Like for instance, you have like an SEC investigation into something such as Tesla and then people say, Oh God, there has to be something there.
When the reality is just an investigation because, you know, legal, you know, due process is, you know, you're innocent until proven guilty.
But in this case, everybody thinks there is guilt there, even though they don't understand the context, right?
Well, it's worse than that.
I mean, what, what really irritates me with this is once you understand that these, all of these entities have been weaponized and used as, as apparatuses of the police state to terrorize their ideological adversaries.
Once, once you know that they've done it once, twice, three times, the fact that people blindly and unquestioningly say, well, there, if there's smoke to this DOJ thing, so there must be fire.
I don't know how much it takes for people to learn.
And, you know, not, not to draw too many comparisons, but Mark Twain said, you know, history doesn't repeat, but it tends to rhyme.
You have to wonder how on earth the DOJ was so fully infiltrated in the operations of tenant media.
It's only been around for a year plus maybe.
And you presume, this is a Cernovich revelation to me, Mike Cernovich on Twitter, everyone should know him if they don't already.
But, you know, they probably went with another FISA warrant, secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act courts to spy on tenant media, get all their DMs, get all their other stuff.
That's exactly what they did in 2016 in the Russiagate hoax, the first one.
They did unlawfully procure FISA spy warrants by falsifying evidence that they submitted to a secret FISA court judge.
This was Kevin Clinesmith, FBI attorney, admitted to it, spank on the wrist.
Meanwhile, you know, other people are locked in jail or Bannon's in jail for less.
And it's the exact reiteration of what they did in 2016.
And I don't understand how people are not, if not at the very least skeptical, outright think that this is a setup to begin with based on exactly the same thing that they've done in the past.
So, um, a question, there also has been a, there has been some legal action taken against, uh, the CEO of Rumble, was it, as well?
Could you, can you say something about that?
No, I think that, I think that was a rumor.
I think that was Gab and, um, Gab, the CEO of Gab and the CEO of Rumble, I'm fairly certain that was misinformation, disinformation.
I, I think I, I would have heard directly more from more direct sources if that were true.
Uh, so I, I think that was something that was circulating yesterday, which is not true.
Um, until, unless someone has definitive proof to the contrary, but I, I'm, I'm pretty close with everybody and haven't heard that.
But I think that's what they're, they're running with that in light of the Pavel Durov business, which now people are probably going to be very inclined to believe is, is incoming if it's not already happened.
But I think that, that news was disinformation.
Interesting.
If you can actually find out whether or not that is in fact true, that would be great.
Because that is making a few rounds.
I saw that earlier and now it's, it's getting a lot of impressions like by the hour.
So I was like wondering, is this actually true?
Let, let me see if I can't find out something right now.
But, you know, that, that's my understanding.
Let me just do this here.
Yeah, but it's, um, it's amazing.
I mean, we know all of these people of, of our, of our friends in the, in the milieu.
Like I've, I've never met, I don't think I've, I think I've met Benny Johnson in person.
Actually, I'm fairly certain I have, but been on his channel.
I know Tim Pool well.
I know Dave Rubin well.
Rubin's the reason why I'm down here.
Like I remember sitting in, in, in Montreal in the dead of winter going to, going to get
some, some groceries and, and it's cold and damp and, and Rubin's like, why aren't you
down here in Florida?
But like, these are all, these are all good people.
But, um, and it's not to say that good people don't do bad things.
There's only, there's only, um, uh, there's a spectrum of possibilities here.
And there's only one side of that spectrum, which becomes very implausible to me that Lauren
Chen and tenant media were knowingly and wrongly and deceivingly taking money from Russian interests,
lying to the content creators in an industry where you don't do that.
And you can't ever get away with doing that, um, to promote a Russian narrative that nobody
was promoting.
So it, it, it, it, it just doesn't make sense as a narrative.
What becomes more likely is that this is just bullshit that will blow over or get disproven
or whatever, but in months or years and in the interim left-wing media and even some on
the right can run with this and you know, it, it'll, it'll, it'll break whatever unity and
whatever momentum, uh, the Trump unity ticket had.
Yeah, indeed.
Very true.
Now let me see this.
I, uh, let me see here.
And if I, okay, I'll see if I can get an answer on the, uh, on the indictment, but when, when,
when I get that, I'll, I'll, I'll definitely, I'll let you know right away.
Awesome.
Awesome, man.
Yeah.
That's another thing that I think, you know, in the future may even hold some issues because
I mean, look, if there are media companies out there that creates kind of like an orderly
output for information, that's an amazing thing.
And I think that is something that many forces would in fact fear because just like now with
this example, information is just being put out there by individuals who aren't organized.
And as such, there's a lot of inaccuracy.
So if somebody were to say organize, that's when things actually get dangerous for parasit-B
because then you would have a reliable source of information that actually challenges something
like the media, right?
Because I mean, look, X itself is a very good source of news and it's amazing for breaking
news, but there's, it's still being polluted sometimes by actors who just basically engagement
farm and just take advantage of certain trends to then kind of promote a particular type of
message that may not be entirely in line with the truth.
Effectively, those people being worse, ironically, than individuals working at legacy media, right?
So in, in reality, I think the, the reason why companies like these are always being attacked
with this is because information is organized.
And if information is organized, that's when it is dangerous because then it's reliable,
right?
Well, absolutely.
You know, there will be a solution to this sooner than later because everybody knows there
are some engagement farming accounts.
Everybody knows that there are some outright fake news accounts.
Give me one second.
I might have to take a quick pause.
There, there will be, so I would imagine there'll be some sort of a technological fix to that sooner
than later, because once you, once you know that certain information comes from certain
accounts, it'll be easier to deal with.
Adrian, if you don't, can I, can I, this might be in response of being able to confirm something.
Can I back out for two seconds and come back in in two minutes?
Sure, sure, sure.
Yeah.
Okay.
I'm going to come right back.
Sorry about this.
No, no, no problem whatsoever.
Okay.
All right.
I'll be back in two.
Bye-bye.
We'll have a little commercial break here.
We could call it a commercial break.
We don't actually have those, but yeah.
So we're going to give him, give him a little bit of time there to get, get things sorted out.
No, he'll be right back.
Awesome, awesome.
For the moment, do you see anyone in the requests or else?
Actually, let's look through some of the comments here.
I have codes too.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Let me see.
He's going to be back a little bit.
Okay.
If there are any good comments, let me know as well.
If you'd like to ask him something directly, one of the best ways to do so.
Is to, in fact, also leave a comment and share a space out.
He'll be back soon.
So, yeah.
Bring up the comments.
Yeah.
All right.
Yep.
I'm going to leave.
Let me know.
Let me know.
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did you happen to catch some of the commentary yesterday where we um
elon was responding to some of the some of the things some of the comments that i made there
on his druid build that was funny oh yeah i did actually catch that yeah i was like oh that's
cool but yeah he cleared a high tier pit that's impressive like what was it it's actually funny
it's actually funny because i've the dagger thing is exactly what i was looking for i was
actually looking for a dagger to kind of like replace that and then just to add some life
life on or like hp on some of the other items and then to use that as a way to kind of move around
because if you don't have like doombringer doombringer is great for hp but like if if you don't have that
then the health doesn't quite translate well so yeah but that that can happen running around in a
cloth and a dagger yeah that's the only way to win a game is to run around with a with a dagger and a
loincloth yeah yeah this is literally how i feel yeah yeah that's what i feel like when i play
sorcerers too yeah sorcerers glass cannon yeah glass cannon sure yeah in my case a little different
of course because um yeah i i just i just have like a i have the weird striped pants on like got the
cowboy hat for no reason so i don't know why i did that no that's funny that's that's a good set i
think i like it for the troll factor in fact yeah yeah true true oh there's viva i'll get him back
yeah by the way for those of you wondering uh we're taking a quick quick break viva is going to be back
soon he has to take a call and oh there speak of speak of the devil there he is speak of the devil
you shall appear all right so i can definitively confirm that as as of the best information of
today uh the ceo of rumble has not been indicted but so who who knows what's in the what's in the
what's in the books but you know it's it's an amazing thing like you you feel crazy when you start
connecting the dots but at some point you can't you can't not connect these dots we're two weeks out
of the ceo of uh telegram getting arrested for you know refusing to cooperate to take down illegal
content uh now you got this um this investigation or this indictment against two russian nationals who
they didn't actually indict any american entity uh it's all very very suspicious and whether or not
it's part of an intimidation campaign against elon or elon and or chris twitter and or rumble
um it's it's all very suspicious it's the timing of a lot of this can't be uh can't be accidental
yeah i mean look the dormant the dominoes will always fall in certain you know contexts like these
so people are just taking advantage of the moment to cause as much damage as they can because they
believe it's part of the sentiment i mean this there are too many coincidences sometimes so maybe
this is all just a coincidence but it also kind of feels like it is not in that you know you can just
take advantage of advantage of the moment and with law i believe that's always how it is right you
look for precedent and if you if sometimes you set precedent but if precedent already exists you use
that right and the trend is the perfect expression of that yeah well the the um the the thing about the
indictment is it's it clearly was not drafted yesterday and it was not put together uh i would i would
say not put together willy-nilly but it wasn't put together hastily or over a week or two and so you
know uh three days ago tim pool said he's going to sue kamala harris campaign for effectively putting
a political target on his back by suggesting that he's a trump a trump uh stooge and he's promoting
2025 and yada yada yada and then um that yesterday you have the news of the chinese spy no that was the
day before yesterday i forget what day it is now uh the chinese spy having infiltrated the hokul campaign
uh so the timing of the release is different than the time it took to prepare this indictment but i don't
think the timing of the release is accidental you know in in law you hold off on certain things and
then file the one on a friday afternoon just to really ruin everybody's weekend uh in politics you
you you keep these things in your back pocket you'll disclose it sooner than later but you'll find an
opportune time and now nobody's talking about chinese communists infiltrating hokul's cabinet
they're talking about some what i believe is an absolute concocted fabrication of a russian uh russian
interference in the u.s election
dude hang on a second
we've both picked very interesting times of the day to discuss this is kind of funny
what's going on now oh just a few things in the background but yeah yeah by the way uh just just
just just to say thank you for coming out of course you know i know that you have a bit of a busy
schedule of course right so yeah it's uh great to have this on this is kind of improvised i didn't
really think it was going to happen today i thought it was going to be more or less tomorrow
as well because you kind of mentioned that you'd have something later to do but you know i guess
it just kind of happened and you know oh no this is fine yeah like i was the thing is you know the
news develops and and and uh it's you you can't run with everything that comes out in day one
but no my interview or my you know stream with the former employee today was was revelatory because
it it opens up a new angle to this where tenant tenant media has been public enemy number one
uh from probably from day one by bringing on this guy who uh you know who who revealed some
information that they probably would not have uh preferred not to have been revealed on january about
january 6th but it's um it's this like an operation co-intel pro uh you know 2024 is that
they've successfully now uh created massive division and massive suspicion in what was you know up until
the day before yesterday a very unified conservative movement and gaining traction a unified conservative
slash rfk movement and now you got people like looking even people on the right looking at tim
pool and thinking he might have some connection to russia so much so that you've got at least the
fbi or the doj has got the benny johnsons and the tim pools and the dave rubens playing defensive now
like pushing the angle that they're the victims in this which you know if there was some sort of
bona fide fraud they would be in theory but i've got my more sinister reasons for why the fbi is
manipulating uh ruben pool and benny into taking this angle that we're victims of this fraud as well
because the fbi is inviting them to sit down and talk with them and tim pool i as much as i mean i
love this i don't think he should be sitting down with the fbi but i i see the angle that they're
working and it looks sort of like if i'm applying the not the darvo principle but like a sort of a
narcissistic sort of manipulation of the fbi to say you're the victim and we just want to talk with
you and come sit down with us and we all remember and if we don't look into what they did with michael
flynn to sit down and have a friendly conversation with the fbi even if it is friendly and doesn't
lead to charges for lying in the course of an investigation fbi leaks stuff all the time to
the media and if they get information through this and you know any meeting with tim pool that they
think is prejudicial or might taint his reputation in the public's mind they'll release it to yahoo
leak it yahoo publishes it and then uh then you got even more fodder for politics
yeah true by the way this list that you've mentioned is this an adjacent list to something
such as a no-fly list or is this something like what what is this list oh the the quad s is like
i think it's what tulsi gabbard had been basically placed on as well i figure what it stands for i'll
google it while we talk but no basically after january 6 uh they they compiled a list of anybody and
everybody who was within the vicinity of january of of the capital and you know depending on the
doesn't matter depending on whatever criteria they applied they put these people not on no fly list
but extra security extra scrutiny fly lists and so i i've interviewed a few of them i had actually on
the um she's in charge of the air marshal uh organization some air marshal organization where
she described the resources that the government was squandering having people tail people who made it
onto this quad s list and they're subject to heightened scrutiny uh because of their role in
or adjacency to the january 6th and so basically they have like there's three air marshals that will
follow anybody on the list around when they fly through their through their destination like from
one flight to the next sit on they'll sit on the plane with them because they've been placed on
this sort of for lack of a better word domestic terror watch list and um you know they do it for
security but the bottom line they do it to surveil and spy i would say unlawfully so on american citizens
and you know it was such an abused uh process or such an abused system that at one point they had
like a an infant like a nine month old on the list because he was uh you know born to one of the
parents i think related to january 6th and so they had like agents following this nine month old around
when the kid was flying with his grandparents parents whatever and so yeah basically the quad s is um
it's just a heightened security where you have to go through more screening and there are people
who basically tell you as you uh as you fly around interesting i was about to ask like what are the
effects of this you know no fly list of course you know it's obvious but like what are the effects of
being on this list are there any other kinds of effects that are at least noticeable for an
individual on this list like are you as an individual if you're placed on it notified that
you're on said list or is it that's something you just discover at some point because weird things
are happening from my understanding you are not notified you discover that you're on it because
weird things are happening you might be able to request it you know ask afterwards i mean just
pulling up from a very quick article but it's uh ss the quad s stands for secondary security
screening selection if it's the transportation security the tsa's way of flagging airline passengers
for enhanced screening and so who i had on a bunch of people i had on um the lectern guy you
know the the infamous man who who stole the lectern but i'm putting stolen quotes because his theft
consisted of moving it 20 feet for a photo op and then leaving it in the center of the um uh that
building i forget what it's called down the capital it'll come to me in a second but no he said like
when you do it they go they screen you it's x enhanced security uh and you basically look like
a terrorist to everybody on the plane and uh it's embarrassing it adds delays and it makes everybody
think that something bad is going to happen because that person's getting on a plane
interesting
and so um i don't know so right now we're dealing with this indictment and the fallout from the
indictment uh and you get oh gosh it's amazing you get merrick garland giving the the the attorney
general there merrick garland who's probably the the greatest destructive force to america tied with
alejandro mayorkas uh you know talking about this indictment uh and the secret financiers
uh who were allegedly allegedly russian entities but when you appreciate the cia and intelligence has
been has been doing these types of operations throughout the history like you know honey pots whatever
use it using russian assets to do the bidding for them uh you know i'm sitting here listening to this
i'm like yeah i i think i think someone got played here i i think maybe lauren got played
in that uh she she ended up do it taking uh financing in a way that created exposure but not
as a result of russian interference as a result of what what i what i suspect might come out later on
down the line though i have no insider information about it now just past uh experience well not my
experience but knowledge of what has been done uh this reeks of an operation and it reeks of something
that the the government set up uh in order to do this two months out of the election much like
when the uh you remember you remember the gretchen whitmer kidnapping or so-called kidnapping
no unfortunately i don't do it do explain oh okay this one's awesome everyone everyone in the
crowd might know this one it was uh right before uh the election right before the 2020 election
and uh there was a an alleged kidnapping plot that was foiled by the fbi of these uh i say some of
them might have been mentally compromised but these into this militia this this violent militia that was
going to kidnap and murder uh the governor of michigan gretchen whitmer and um they foiled the fbi
foiled the plot the only problem is as came out as evidence during the trial they might have foiled their
own plot because there were as many if not more fbi agents uh informants confidential human sources
involved in plotting the kidnapping as there were alleged perpetrators to the kidnapping and so and
we we on my uh sunday show with with robert barnes if nobody watches if you don't know it check it out
it's fantastic uh viva barnes or viva barnes law um you know we we sort of i pick his bigger brain you
know and then uh try to absorb the information through osmosis but we we called it like early on like
this is very suspicious timing it looks like there might have been if not call it a fed napping
which i've grown to call it at the very least a minor amount of fbi entrapment and the more evidence
that came out the more absurd it became you had articles in buzzfeed i think talking about you know
like trying to sensitize people to how much fbi interference is too much before it becomes entrapment
and lo and behold a couple of them were acquitted on the basis of government entrapment i mean these
you're dealing with guys who never had the means to commit the crime and really never had the intent
to do it but for the egging on and facilitating by the fbi who taught them how to make explosives who
drove them to and from training camps who gave them prepaid credit cards to get weapons and to get
other stuff and so you know but for the fbi's involvement it never would have happened and two
of them ultimately got acquitted and in a fair judicial system they all would have gotten acquitted but in a
fair society they never would have been entrapped in the first place um so you had that in in in uh
2020. then you fast forward to january 6th which i also firmly believe and i believe the evidence is
quite clear and unequivocal was something of a fed surrection a federally uh instigated or a a an insert
a riot that was instigated by agents um and you had a lot of the overlapping players between the fbi
in the gretchen whitmer fed napping plot and the january 6th fed surrection plot and then you fast
forward to butler and you got some overlapping players yet again uh and you fast forward to this
which just you know seems to be another repetition of the playbook
interesting yeah this is always something that i find was always very
odd whenever you go to like protests and you see there's instigation for some sort of action by people
like one of my friends once told me this weird thing where it's like whenever somebody calls for
violence just point at them and scream fed of course don't do this but like they just told me
that thing i found it would be i found that to be um quite interesting because you know if there is in
fact a calm protest and if you instigate something what would happen thereafter now of course you know
it's still up to the people to act but yeah the j6 thing is always a bit of a stain on history on all
sides i think well i i i would i would say that it was at best i mean at worst i should say a violent
protest i mean i've seen hockey riots in canada that were more violent than that uh save it except
for the fact that the only people who were killed on january 6th were were killed by the police i mean
they it's an amazing thing also like the infer the disinformation laundering that occurred during that
where there was an article in the new york times and i'll double check to see that it's still there
but i'm fairly certain it is and the headline was he dreamed of being a capital police officer
then he was murdered by a mob of trump supporters and that was in respect of brian sicknick the
officer who it was later determined died of natural causes of a stroke uh the day after uh january 6th
where on you know within a couple of the day and a couple of weeks afterwards new york times was
reporting that he was murdered with a fire extinguisher to the head and they never had any reason to say
that because it was a lie from the first minute but uh they spread that lie and there are still
members of government who repeat that lie but it is worth repeating that the only people who were
murdered that day or i should say killed because michael bird was never charged uh was ashley babbitt
roseanne boyland and there's another one whose name i'm i believe i'm forgetting but ashley babbitt
straight up shot point blank in the neck uh roseanne boyland was allegedly trampled and struck and
beaten by police officers they claimed her death was um a drug overdose because uh she was on some
form of adhd medication which they then wrongly called um and some form of amphetamine and chalked
her death up to a drug overdose when it wasn't uh but i would say no i think that to even to even say
that that's a dark day for democracy i think uh is is unfair because i would say but for the what i think
is outright instigation by what i believe are agents or or agent adjacent we'll call them
agents but uh it was it was it got it was a protest that got violent in certain areas and it was a set
up all around but you know that and and you see how that if it wasn't the plan from the beginning my
goodness do these um do these devious politicians uh move quickly if it wasn't the setup from the
beginning you see how january 6th was weaponized for a whole slew of undemocratic lawfare right up
to and including trying to keep trump off the ballot which really allows you to even have more of a
doubt as to its uh organic nature from the get-go but i've talked to a lot of people there you know
they say but for a certain area where there was violence and they argue that it was provoked by the
police who were launching tear gas in shooting rubber bullets striking with batons but for that
everywhere else it was literally like a a tour of the the capitol building and the police were
waving them in and uh not much confrontation there interesting yeah by the way something i would
like to also pick your brain on is the brazil situation what do you make of all of this like
this is obvious i think this is this is this is a very unique case of lawfare if you wanted to put it
that way what do you make of that like alexander demora is the whole situation so you know i i know the
limits of my the comfort of my knowledge i uh the information that i've gotten from brazil i i was
fortunate enough at one point it was a maybe a year and a half ago now i had on a guy named paulo
figueredo uh and he has an amazing uh it's a brazilian language or i guess it's portuguese language
podcast he's the grandson of the brazilian president of the 80s and so he was a bolsonaro supporter
basically chased out of the country had assets seized in brazil i don't know that he can go back
now but he gave me you know the the rundown on the politics the power structure there and basically
now that you know people want to blame everything on lula which which i think is uh there's there's
there's blame to go around for the leaders but you know they apparently their country is basically
controlled by the judiciary and there's one uh supreme court judge in particular who
is calling the shots and and not getting any pushback or uh being overridden by the other
members of the supreme court this guy named demora is demora is and it's it's it's um i mean it's i
don't know how to what you describe it as it's not democracy anymore so whether or not you want to
call it statism communism etc uh you know brazil france are going the way of russia china and north
korea in terms of censorship of online content taking down of political dissident accounts
and they basically make their own rules and enforce their own rules and it's you know that that's that's
what what that's what fascism is when you mix government media and uh and corporations and when
you basically have the people writing the law enforcing the law and carrying out the law i mean that's
that's what you got now in brazil where they can do whatever the hell they want there's some pushback
for it so demora demora is was pressuring x and rumble to take down content uh accounts of political
dissidents or at least political opposition right wingers the the bolsonaro supporters and they use
the same pretext that they try to use in in canada and america oh it's dangerous it's going to incite
another brazil's january 6th i forget what day that was on uh but it's insanity there was a little bit
of pushback so it was it was about a week ago demora is said uh we're gonna you know we're gonna ban
twitter we're gonna arrest principals or arrest employees if they don't follow our our orders
and uh and we're gonna fine people basically what i understood was a year's salary if they circumvent
the ban by using vpn and then lo and behold skylink was having some connectivity issues in brazil from
what i understand also uh but i think they walked that back a little bit but we're seeing this it's
you know whether or not it's a one world government or a you know the the 2024 version of the nwo uh
with the new world order um we see this everywhere now you when you got when you got france arresting
pavel ordering rumble to take down accounts and then basically saying well you can't do business
we're gonna pull rumble says we're pulling out of france because we're not adhering to these
uh un unconstitutional or undemocratic rules we have the normalization of
statism or communism and as i think it should be properly called throughout the world now throughout
the west and the worst thing is that we've got a bunch of people in the west ushering it in
for the greater good because you know the constitution can be dangerous free speech can be dangerous
and we got to protect everyone from from the dangers of freedoms
yeah exactly what i thought was very interesting about that was that
the actions taken by marias were not like it's it's funny so he took actions that were technically
illegal and then he took actions on top of that to basically suppress criticism of those actions
that were also illegal so it's like it gets worse and worse by the minute and after with with starlink by
the way um that would be some they're kind of complying in a certain like they're complying such that the
internet is still available at least right because if starlink itself is not available in you know
brazil there are a lot of damages you know this is this is not good right so this is like you have to
ask yourself okay are we going to be rebellious to the point that the people are going to suffer
or are you going to be a little bit compliant such that you know things can still continue working so
it's got starlink ironically enough has blocked access to x unfortunately but yeah well adrian the the um
first of all you know the the classic line or the joke but it's a joke turned reality it's not
illegal when the government does it i mean period there's there's no other way to put it when when
the government spies on you unlawfully it doesn't matter when when the government uh violates freedom
of speech it doesn't matter when the government locks people up it doesn't matter and so when
if what tomorrow if what demora is is doing is illegal it's not illegal because the king can do no wrong
and he's the king but you know interesting thing also you say like you know do we want to punish
the people for the for the flaw or the fault of their government there was a part of me i don't know
how it plays out and i don't wish ill on anybody and there's no but to that it's it's a lot easier to
to to gamble with other people's money when there was talk about x pulling out of brazil entirely
and i'm thinking do it and there'll be an uprising and you'll call it the x uprising or the twitter
uprising when you when you when you take away the people's bread that's when people you know start
not revolting in a violent way but start revolting in numbers where it becomes politically uh impossible
to maintain it and part of me says maybe that's what has to happen that that in order for people
to understand it's gone too far they have to start it it has to reach that scale with the threat about x
it was it was to ban it it was it was a stupid move to make by the government because you know
luckily for x it's gotten big enough in brazil that even the left and even the tyrants don't want
it because they need to share their disinformation somewhere so they don't they don't want x not being
available they won't be able to share government propaganda on twitter and and any sort of media
that wants to maintain its business will not want that either but at some point in time uh you know
there has to be something that touches enough people that they realize enough is enough and these
tyrants can't keep doing it and people just you know going on with their day and just wanting you
know one more one more evening of peace what you just mentioned there is actually kind of interesting
because i think at some point you know x is going to become this thing where your presence on it is
almost something akin to mutually assured destruction and what i mean with this is like with nukes right
everybody has nukes then nobody's going to go to war directly but they will go to war indirectly via
subterfuge right so i think with x is going to become become something similar right because like what
you've mentioned if there's some people out here who are also potentially tyrants they themselves
want to you know have their message be spread on that platform as well all right so it's kind of
funny at that point so i think there will be a limitation that's mutually assured almost
absolutely well actually so i love fishing by the way and i actually had this creative thought
a while back and i think it's an original thought where you know everybody says the the fish the big
fish gets that way by not being caught and i'm sitting there thinking well you know that's true but not
true because every now and again the big fish gets caught but the big fish gets really big not by
not getting caught by by but by creating an ecosystem in which you cannot kill that big fish without
destroying the ecosystem and um and so you know i'm sitting here thinking at some point and we might
be nearing there now people say well x is too vulnerable because it's it's dependent on the
government it depends on the government for subsidies for cooperation for its very businesses
but the flip side to that is and and it's not necessarily even a good thing it's there's a
it's a double-edged sword but at some point in time x will become so big that even the governments
won't be able to bully it around anymore because if you pull things like starlink you pull things that
are infrastructure based that that that the governments and the population alike need well then you've got
a government very much acting in a suicidal manner uh or at least a homicidal manner for its citizens
and so we you know there is um there's a benefit to being so big that you can't be cancelled and and
and i think x is almost there and you know touch wood maybe one day rumble will also be there uh
where governments can't say well you know do what we say or get out and then if you say well i'm getting
out and now you've screwed the government more than you screw the company um and that's it but it
it is uh we're almost there like the fact that x is satellites rockets uh green energy uh communications
the government can't bully them around into submission as easily as they could a smaller
company or a company that's already uh sort of um incestuously in bed with them already like facebook
and uh and google yeah exactly and and of course it's kind of ironic um that's you know twitter has
turned it to x because the fbi and various other agent various other agencies had a lot of control
over it right to the point where somebody would say message employees at what was back then twitter
you know they're saying here that this is content violates your policies right that's how they did
it because they didn't directly order the removal of content they just said here this content violates
the i think this was including the twitter files this content violates your policies right which is
also interesting because now if you look at what elon is right and this is this always ties back to
elon this is why there are a lot of disinformation campaigns against them um this guy you know is
in fact a government contractor thanks to things such as spacex which is very interesting right even
with the eu where you have certain actors within it that wish to enforce the dsa which is a crazy
piece of legislation they want to enforce the dsa you know they are also just customers of spacex at the end of
the day this is it's funny how that all works when you're so big that you effectively like you know
you're fighting the thing that you're purchasing products from well no no it it is it is amazing but
um no i i think that we're at the level of sort of interdependency but also where uh where the
private actors can say uh no and and and and suck it this was the most amazing thing was it was steve
bannon right who said um that elon didn't buy a company he bought a crime scene where once you
understand and people listening obviously know what operation mockingbird is and it's the government
and intelligence infiltrating media to use them as basically an apparatus of the government twitter
was an apparatus of the government prior to uh elon acquiring it and and i i i forget i was always
saying like i don't understand how twitter even exists if it never posts a profit when you want to talk
about money laundering i feel like twitter as far as i'm ever concerned initially existed only for
intelligence gathering and the government had their their hand in that entity up until they had their
hands you know snapped in the in the cookie jar lid uh and that's when x became public enemy number one
that it's ironic that that never happened with google or with facebook who always played ball and still
seemingly are playing ball uh even today what did uh zuckerberg just took down some information
oh and i forget what it was but he was pulling down articles based on disinformation even after his mea
culpa for uh for censoring at the request of the government so they all of those all of the all of
the big tech social media have always been in bed with or controlled by and used as surreptitious arms
of the government until x got bought out and that's oddly enough and not oddly enough when elon
started facing lawfare in the states threats from the eu threats from brazil and it's not a coincidence
tyrants don't like freedom
exactly which is kind of ironic in a sense because i think that if history shows anything the
the tyrant will always make the most noise when they are the weakest right because a a system that
is very strong is one that actually has leeway right you permit certain things to be said pre-stated
right um like let's say for instance if you are criticizing anyone you can kind of tell by their
reaction how impactful that criticism is right in terms of how dangerous it could be potentially for
them right or what you know context it holds so i i think this very drastic response by various many
forces is kind of indicative of the greater shift that is currently taking place otherwise there wouldn't
be such a drastic response at all because it must be some sort of threat and i think with the x you kind
of see that with elon you see that with everyone you see that i mean look at nick look at the actions
biomarize right if you wanted to go against just x then you would have gone against just x what does
what does starlink have to do with x.com right that that was that's just being targeted as well of course
you know they're owned by the same person but they are independent companies so i think that kind of like
shows you how dangerous this is and how this is a personal problem you know well no no it's it's a
global problem where the the war on the internet it probably it's obviously started before elon took
over for a agent you obviously you know it's distracting like you sound i mean i'm still trying
to figure out the theory of this of your account it's like i'm referring to elon but i swear to you i
still think in my head that i'm talking to elon but i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna do it anyway well
the autisms really make this so but actually there are differences i'm sitting here thinking
like it's either elon it's either elon's ai showing how capably it can carry on a conversation
or you're a totally independent human who happens to sound so much like elon no one will ever know
it will always be the source of discussion but we're not going to make that the source of
discussion no but the war it's the war on the internet and it is i i presume this was similar
to the war on the printing press back in the day having not lived through that i can't
imagine what it was like but it's the war on the democratization of the of the free flow of
information and yeah the the tyrants make the most noise when they're at their weakest and it's uh an
expression that my partner-in-law there robert barnes always says the stuck pig squeals and yeah it's
it's when when they they start making the noise when they start getting caught or when they start
getting nervous uh but not when they're comfortably in the positions of power that they've always held
there it's you got to give the illusion of of of confidence and security but it's it's what we're
witnessing right now is basically through social media and i and i don't think it's a coincidence
bringing it back to tenant media we're witnessing the uh not the democratization but the the the
awakening of the people of the failings of their governments their respective governments
failures that i think are are instigated by or predicated on a view of one global government
call it the agenda 2030 or whatever and the people are waking up faster than the tyrants can suppress the
information which is why this this war is sort of going into overdrive or you know on steroids now
against not just the small players that they could always abuse not anonymously but abuse without much
pushback but the biggest players the trumps and the and the elons and the rumbles and uh the the
pavel of dura pavel dura and so if they're getting more and more desperate in their fight um i think
specifically because they're getting uh more and more weak in their position
exactly yeah and that's exactly where the response comes from so and another thing that's interesting is
this is the this is the the next part of the honeypots which is that i think initially sources
of information that you may think are you know credible in terms of them kind of standing against
a certain narrative are the ones that themselves may end up to be honeypots i've seen things that
don't make any sense i see patterns in the way that certain information gets circulated and i can tell
which things are you know real or not real maybe you know i'm wrong about this but you know
you know poisoning the well is quite easy um it should not be underestimated and i think you know
there's certain places like for instance there's one account that you know is apparently maga and
everything this and there's everything that if you speak out against it you get instant hate for it
i don't have any political affiliations of any kind so i will just i will just sit on anything i please
that person makes an ass of himself and anyone else who is part of the make america great again
movement based off of what this man posts right you first have like this this period where there
is the gathering of a community and then you use that community as kind of a weapon effectively and
we've seen this multiple times either you know this this may just be completely unintentional as
well you know there are certain youtubers in history that have done this as a matter of fact there's
like this one person who created a weapon of a community which was you know like the thing where
people would change their profile picture to this guy with his weird glasses and just go around and harass
everyone this is a very interesting time on the internet because there was always like a threat
you saw one of those guys with a pfp you're like oh god what's about to happen here they would raid
your server or something um so it's so it's kind of like that in a sense right we have people just
kind of lose their minds or you know are probably just going to try to discredit you so i i don't know
what this is i'm not gonna i'm of course i'm not gonna make any accusations here i'm just saying that
you know things like that are damaging and you know we ought to be careful as to what information that we
consume because i kind of feel like you know even with me that you should also be skeptical of me
as well right don't don't just believe everything i tell you always second guess it always question it
always try to do your own research with everything that you do you know everyone could be false and
you know it could be just a lapse of judgment one day and that could just be that you know because
being on the internet for as long as some people are there are side effects so yeah that that well now
without naming the accounts i can think of at least three so it's not easy to pick you know there will be
the uh the uh protection of this i think i can think of more than one account that's you know
succumbed to this there there is definitely you spend too much time on the internet um on the one
hand you start it does train you to think a certain way and it's not necessarily a healthy way uh you
spend too much time on the internet you start to potentially see things that are not there necessarily
and view things as everything is a um an existential life or death fight and also you spend enough time on
the internet and you do see accounts that it is interesting the honeypotting and you know like
the traditional ways of honeypotting are always through the the two most popular ones sex or money
uh and that's you know that's how those chinese communist spies get into the they get into the
party through sex or through money and on twitter or on the internet the other way of of poisoning the
well it's true is getting people to compromise themselves either through a propensity to believe what
confirms their bias and thus sharing information that turns out to be false and these disinformation
campaigns have existed forever in one form or another and have oftentimes been government-sponsored
disinformation campaigns so they can discredit leaders of movements or movements themselves
um and i'm noticing a ton of it now and then you know the more um uh what's the word when you're
when you're generous with um when you're generous with giving the benefit of the doubts i guess uh oh come on
oh whatever i'll get the word in a second but you know the more charitable sorry the more charitable
interpretation to some of the disinformation laundering that ends up discrediting sources is
something starts off as a joke uh it gets amputated from the original joke and then people think it's
real and the classic one occurred the other day and i you know i almost shared it but like this is too
stupid to be real was a video of kathy hochel talking about getting her whatever effing booster she's up to
now and then the video when she takes off her sunglasses one of her eyes looked droopy and i'm
like holy cows that's a good it's a good meme that was i think actually created by the dilly team
and maybe it was intended to be a joke but then people amputate the joke from the joke and then
people think that's a real video share it around discredit themselves and then lo and behold uh
you know the government gets to say oh we need to we need to tamp down on disinformation you can't
trust that account anymore and that's how uh this you know this political war is fought in the digital age so
yeah no those are uh you spend you spend enough time on the internet you got to watch out for
everything and you're better off almost not tweeting something that is true versus tweeting something
that's false um uh but yeah no the the honeypotting is taking on a new form now on steroids which is
putting out the disinformation getting prominent accounts to share that disinformation so that the
dishonest lying media can then discredit those accounts and it's sort of i believe exactly what they
actually did with alex jones and and um and sandy hook but uh you know ironically i kind of fell
victim to this once as well when the assassination when the assassination attempt of donald trump took
place i shared a post which i then took down like two minutes later because i didn't find the actual
source i i i put out a post which apparently was the image and
you know what did it call the manifesto was apparently a screenshot of a youtube video which
is the manifesto of the shooter and that was false right i i took that ran with that i posted that out
there then i looked for the source afterwards i was like there doesn't it's not real and i deleted it
immediately of course but that's one of those examples where you know i think a lot of people will
be pointing the blame at certain accounts and this is i think more true than you know the you know you
can say okay there are legitimate honeypots out there okay cool you know that's the thing but i
think also there could be common mistake and this can take on the form of you accidentally poisoning the
well or this can take on the form of you yourself just having gone insane again i think if you spend
enough time on the internet doing the things that some people do and i think a lot of you know accounts
around the maga um ethosphere that they they will experience this you just become insane you know
because all this revolutionary style campaigning you know it's not good for the human mind it's
not good for anyone and i think at some point you just literally lose your mind so i think that's also
something that we're seeing at scale currently so it's not just intentionally honeypotting it's just
you honeypot yourself no absolutely i mean look i i you know you practice law for long enough and i i i
i mean again you know this was my observation even before i became thoroughly embedded in the
internet is that you go through litigation enough and you develop what i've always called litigation
trauma you don't trust anybody you don't trust the judges you don't trust and you know and maybe even
rightly so you don't trust your attorneys everyone's out to get you it's always a big grand conspiracy
because nothing goes your way in litigation and so you spend enough time in litigation it will i don't
know if it's scientifically rewiring your brain but it will um it'll it'll skew the way you see
reality because you will see conspiracy everywhere and absolutely it exists on the internet and i'm
thoroughly convinced you know when alex jones did his deposition back in 2018 it might have been before
that where he says you know i was going through a form of psychosis back in you know back in the sandy
hook and seeing conspiracies where they didn't exist i i the media ran with the psychosis as though it was
a clinical diagnosis but i knew exactly what he meant is you're living in a world where you are
day in and day out living in not perceived conspiracy but conspiracies that actually occurred throughout
history you know actual crisis actors not in the sandy hook sense it prior in in wartime actual
doctored images actual and then you end up seeing conspiracy where it doesn't exist and you make one big
mistake and it'll cost you a billion dollars when the media does not want to forgive and forget they
want to remember and discredit but the irony is you know like jumping on things too quickly seeing
seeing racism everywhere cnn gets to see racism in a 16 year old boy with nicholas sandman they get to go
back to business as usual uh but um if you're politically disfavored and you make that mistake
they will hold it against you for the rest of your life but certainly the more time you spend and more
and the more you know unfortunately the more you might see things that don't actually exist
in real time which is where you have to really take the step back and reflect and and just you
know do your best but every everybody is entitled to make mistakes when they tweet and delete them
but the bigger the account the more likely someone's going to screen grab it and hold it against you
for the rest of your life exactly yeah especially this is something where there there is a time where
you have to consider something interesting about the internet and this is something that is relevant for
everyone how how abstract are your thoughts because one day you're absolutely like the humans crave
abstraction in one form or another and they will just jump on that and you just become big one day it
just happens as a result of abstraction being a thing and people crave it and they love it in a world
of mediocrity so how abstract are your thoughts because if you have fun on say an anonymous account then
one day you just explode as a result of this you make this one post that then gains you the first
million impressions and hundreds of thousands of likes on it right like people need to consider that
whatever you say has a lot of consequence even with me i don't think i can genuinely have as much fun
on you know this account as i'd want to but you know there's like a limitation that's why i have this
conversation show right i have fun through that because some things i state they are just nice nice in
conversation but not nice in terms of posts right say for instance you have a conversation about a person who
you know try to potentially i don't know cause a storm against you and you just kind of view your
they get you kind of voice your views on that that's a great thing in terms of conversation but
just like posting everything out is not something that would actually do you it's actually something
that i think is quite dangerous for you as well so yeah the internet's weird well the internet's weird
and also it is look i i say this with self-reflection as well because i used to be so nice and polite and
if anybody looked at my twitter feed now they would not think i'm nice and polite you know on
the one hand things never things always read harsher uh when written than when spoken and so you tell
somebody you're like oh off and nobody cares you tell someone to off on twitter and you know they read
that and it's like it's like the most egregious verbal assault ever nobody reads it with any sort of
light-hearted uh tone and and jokes don't translate well so there's that risk but there's obviously i mean look
rogan talks about this at length and it's a known thing that there's a there's a dopamine receptor
that putting a catchy tweet out putting a viral video triggers and and it does sometimes motivate
the wrong type of behavior and it does motivate the wrong type of discourse um but if i'm you know
speaking for my own self-serving self-justifying my own flaws uh perspective at some point you know i i
say at some point there's nothing left to say but uh to publicly berate and publicly um uh you know
insult for lack of a better word these politicians and people who are basically ruining society as we
knew it and uh you know whether or not i feel bad for it or whether or not it's not necessarily the
best way to go you know i i've i've come to grips with the fact that i'm going to do it at least until
we get our until we get sanity back that being said though it's not clear that this makes for a uh
offline um it's not clear what consequences this has socially offline i i know offline i'm i'm still
a nice person even if online i'm a little nasty but yeah it does uh condition the wrong type of
behavior sometimes and uh not it's not the most uh it's not susceptible for the greatest form of
communication insightful communication yeah yeah exactly
yeah and again this is a permanent public record this is another thing this is something i think
that people have actually forgotten why sometimes uh you have this problem with facebook for instance
right where some of the older generation just say certain things and you think to yourself why would
you say this on the internet well to them it's just a normal conversation you know back then what
you do is you'd physically meet up in a place called a spot you know they referred to it as a spot right
and they'd have to sit various places in a city or in a town where you would quote hey can i see at the
spot and you'd go there and have a conversation nobody would expect there to be a taper
recorder that records the conversation or you know somebody to make a transcript of this and post it
out there when in reality that's exactly what a conversation is on the internet today that's
what any conversation will always be it's always transcribed by something the ai is always listening
everything is always happening and now this is not something that's paranoia this is something that's
an actual fact i mean right now we're having this conversation it's being transcribed it's being
recorded literally there's a little nice recording button up there that shows you that the conversation is
being recorded and can then later be listened to right and then some people will take this and some people may clip this
and post it independently of whatever context the conversation took place in and that's the
way of the internet right so it's a public record of sorts so voicing some thoughts which may even be
modified later on which is also something i think is important you know changing your mind over time
it is something that is potentially even dangerous here right and this can be in any context especially
political which is why i choose not to do anything political of course you know me talking to
who i think is a bit political in nature but i'd like to have a conversation from the perspective
of it being neutral right i just wanted to have like your understanding like you were you're uniquely
qualified to talk about the tenant media thing you're uniquely qualified to talk about you know whether
or not there may have been a legal issue with the ceo of rumble like you're uniquely qualified for
these things so i speak to you because the source is you right so that's that's about the only reason
like i don't side with anyone particularly right i mean i do think you're an interesting person i do
think what you do is important and as such you know we all frequently communicate but yeah i mean
this is this is the way of the internet i think it's really really interesting it's a perfect public
records that everybody has access to but also everyone has access to you as well this is something
that people need to remember no it's amazing like it's i maybe it's either the the curse of the benefit
of being absolutely neurotic and and you know obsessive compulsive but even back in the early
days of the internet when you when i had an they were anonymous accounts and that like you didn't you
didn't want to put your name on the internet you didn't have them anonymously so that you could
shit talk people but you had anonymous you put them anonymously so that people wouldn't find out where
you live and work and whatever um but even then like i i would never i would never say certain
things even in private conversation or anonymously because i would always just take for granted
it will be leaked one day like you will have your emails hacked and leaked you will have someone
sneak into your into your house and steal a box of letters and so you know you even watch what you
say in private but um the idea yeah some people don't appreciate it's forever and um and say things
which come back to absolutely bite them in the ass 10 years later i i'm i'm sort of i uh fortunate in
the sense that uh when you're neurotic you see um catastrophe all the time so you don't you don't do
things that you think even if they got public you would not be proud of so but then i am forced to
think of what am i going to think when i'm 75 reading some of my tweets today um when when the
world gets into reading thoughts or reading minds i you know i'm gonna they're gonna read it anyhow so
i may as well at least say what i feel that is right at the time dude that's a really interesting
quote as well i had that thought myself i mean like look you leveraging the neurotic aspects for
something good this is kind of like why i post whatever i think um because then i kind of curate
the best thoughts and then you will effectively think better this is like i i speak in the form
of posts effectively that's what i always do you can see how i write and that's how i speak so there
is really no difference between that what i write and that what i speak there's no difference because
that's exactly what that is and there are certain accounts out here who do this um to the extent
where it's very raw like for instance there's one that i know who is a software engineer at x
uh yasin he calls himself yasin mtb he's he's crazy and i love him for it honestly like he puts
out some stuff that i don't agree with but honestly he's he's a really good influence and he emboldens
people to you know um post things that they think you know i don't think you should post everything
that you think because some thoughts are genuinely malformed right and they still require you know
adjustment and curation so and and you know this this is not something where i say there should be
thought police or anything like that not making a case for it quite the opposite but you know i'm
just saying you ought to think about certain things as well um because again it's permanent and like
what you said i kind of think of that myself as well you know what am i what am i going to be like in
say 60 years or something like that when i sit here and i look at the posts and i tell my grandkids
about oh hey you know guess what adrian used to do back then you you know people used to say all kinds
of things about him people used to do this he used to do that hey did you know that there was this video game
that we used to play in a billionaire i was having a conversation with me about that how funny is
that that's the world we lived in you know what the amazing thing is like i i when i say like i'm i
have a good position it's like what am i going to think in for in 30 years about my tweets well i'm
my father is still alive and he's 81 and every now and again he he texts me he's like david did you
really have to say that yeah i have to say that i'm sorry so i'm lucky i already have that foreshadowing
of what i'm going to think because i i've been my dad you know jokingly messages me but um yeah i i i
wonder if i'll if i'll feel bad i know that i know that i have tweeted things that i feel bad about
if only because they were too um rashly judgmental and when i and i've and i've privately apologized to
people after i've done things like that because it's true sometimes sometimes you just tweet on
based on wrong information sometimes you sometimes you are too judgmental and sometimes things don't
come off the way they intended to but i i uh i try to make amends in as much as possible privately with
anybody that i've ever done that too but no it's it's uh this is we're living through uh we're living
through one hell of a roller coaster here it's quite a time to be alive but uh it's there's a uh you know
the broader war and it's one that if there's only one way of justifying this is that the overton
window needs to be pushed back not just in terms of like what word language we can use and like
whether or not the words gay and retarded should be cancelable words anymore there's a there's a
political overton window that needs to be pushed back and it you know i i once upon a time thought
you can do it politely and you can do it canadian like and if i'm just polite with the government
i'll slowly get through to them and yada yada yada but then when you you wake up one day and you
realize that being polite will not protect you from the same criticism that you're going to get
for being brashly honest and you you lose the incentive to be nice and polite when you get
punished just as hard uh you know as if you were rude and crass so at some point there's there's no
disincentivizing to be rude and crass and also sometimes other people need to see that in order
for them to get enough courage just to push that overton window back a little bit so that people
can say yeah i should have the right and freedom to say certain things online and i should have the
right to make you know to share whatever information i want online uh and they need to see the more uh
the more forceful examples pushing back so they can feel a little bit more comfortable to push back
more politely and and hopefully there'll be some form of meaningful change and meaningful awakening
yeah yeah true i mean this is just how pendulum effectively swings and i think the major problem is that
there is an over correction in any swing right so like whenever the pendulum swings you reach a
golden era where it is actually actually perfectly at the center right but then it swings very far
back into the other direction and comes back and then you see another golden age and it swings very
far back in the other direction you see this happens over and over and over and over again and
nobody actually says okay maybe we should stop the we should we should restrict the swing you know but
then even within that you may even add some momentum to the swing as well because the moment you add control
that may be the ironic thing like with uh the time travel paradox where your intent to avoid a
particular situation is the thing that ends up you know causing that situation for yourself right yeah
it's like an interesting paradox like with it's a there's like a demon in a warhammer 40k that does
exactly that it shows you your potential future and then says here's what central future is and then
you take actions to avoid it and actually comes to pass as a result of that you know had you done what
you've always had to do then none of that would have actually happened but it's it's interesting
um part of that is also the messaging right i think the messaging that's being used by certain
parts of the political spectrum i think can actually be used by other parts of the political spectrum as
well and i think a great example of this is you know the no tipping the the no taxes on tips
thing whereas like trump says this and kamala says this right what i think is also interesting is you
know you look at this phrase that is often said that is we're all in this together
i think we are all in this together you know it it doesn't matter what side of the political
spectrum you're on anyone can use this phrasing and it actually applies and it's actually a very
valid thing to say we are in this all together just like what you said you know you can be very
polite or you can be very brash and you'll be punished all the same you'll suffer all the same
you know if the world is going to as a result of bad decisions it doesn't matter if you are polite
about the fact that you're saying oh you know these are decisions or brash about saying oh
these are decisions the decisions still have shitty outcomes you know so
i think we are all in all in this together and it doesn't matter who you are where you are
what part of the spectrum you're on and you know as someone who is tries to be eccentric as possible
i'm a person who sees that as such
what do you think you think it's no i think you think you're right we are all in this together it's
just that some of us have to some extent have better seats or at least more food in the fridge
like yeah we're all we're all in the famine together but some of the elites just have a
little bit more food stocked up than the others but no the the issue is yeah the the pendulum swings
back there's there might be two exceptions to that if the if the whole thing falls over um and then the
the other flip side is you know when it swings back uh the the amount of correction or the momentum
that it gets going in the opposite direction can be equally catastrophic i don't know i i read or i
listened to michael malice's book uh white pill you know i i didn't realize the entire book was
something of a troll where you know the white pill is that eventually people realize that communism
statism tyranny is bad um but it came at the cost of 80 million people and you know and now we know and
yet 50 60 short years later we seem to be um sleepwalking our way back into something along
those lines uh and then you have it's i but in reality i mean i i don't know what what we do
going forward and i don't know what i what my what my role is in all of this i try to make sense of
the world and i try to make people aware of what i think are the uh you know the the risks um and the
and the overreaches and try to sensitize people to the the fact that the government i mean to just
bring my leitmotif back that the government is is has never been any different now than it was in the
past and anybody thinking you can trust them now any more than you can trust them in the past knowing
what they've done is living a is living in a pipe dream and they need to be woken up from it but um
that the only question i have is what's the best way to do it is it a gentle a gentle you know rub on
the back and wake up or is it a splash of cold water or is it a slap across the face
and um at least digitally i think i've moved into the uh the digital slapping to try to awaken those
that have not yet seen exactly what we're living through exactly yeah
and so that's it i mean does that don't as far as the subject matter of the i don't know if there's
i'm trying to trying to go on my computer to see if there's any questions about anything specific but
i don't want to accidentally kick myself from the uh from the thing i on twitter faces i've never
figured out how to see comments in real time oh that's not a feature yeah that's not a feature
that actually exists that that will be a thing one day i assume uh there has been some testing around
this but yeah i mean there's some people have said there's going to be like a live chat like a super
chat thing apparently but that's been suggested as a feature anyways what i've been able to publicly gain
as information but honestly now there's no way to actually see it in real time in uh streams that's
a little different but it's a bit difficult to feel like doing it like i do i can't actually see this
the the live comments so i have blize who calls them out so while i'm playing there's like he announced
certain things like oh hey guy this guy just commented saying x y and z thing and then you know that
becomes the way that we track comments um yeah yeah if you want i can uh i can read off some replies if
you'd like from the yeah go for it i just figured out how to do it so i'm reading through some of
them now but go for it and pick pick some ones and we'll uh okay sure uh let's see uh first question
thomas pierceful says why is no one asking how frozen russian accounts can transfer money to a u.s
account uh the only one in control these frozen assets are the same individuals who wrote the
indictment thanks for having this conversation so from my understanding from the indictment is that the
monies came from other countries turkey united arab emirads etc so i don't think they came directly
from russia um which which raises more questions i mean it's like i know that if i transfer money
between my own personal accounts between canada and the u.s it's being tracked and registered uh you
know to the extent if it's over i don't know whatever whatever the threshold is so i i look i i know what
i believe but i have to be careful that it's not leading my analysis but it does you know where the
hell is this money coming from they can track it and i you know we'll find out sooner than later but
but i don't believe it came from russia it came from various other european countries
okay great uh timothy reed says uh wouldn't it make sense to attempt to influence the party
that's the biggest threat to russian ideology why would russia waste resources on the democratic
party that's essentially moving closer to socialism every day well the the argument is they don't care
who wins the argument is and i'm not saying this is my affirmation that putin doesn't care who wins
just as long as he uh causes havoc in the system so sows distrust among the population and brings the
country down from within the irony is that if i'm i always operate on the iron law of woke projection
to the extent that that's what intelligence is saying putin wants to do in america that's exactly
what intelligence is doing in america and so you know can you imagine these these bastards who spent
eight years uh fabricating uh russiagate hoax against trump are now telling us that putin's
the one who wants to sow discord and instability and distrust of the electoral process in america
they've done it so uh that's the steel man argument i think it's it's a it's a total projection
of an argument it's what they're doing i don't really i i don't think call me a putin apologize
whatever you want i'm not moving to russia anytime soon but i think uh russia would probably
prefer to have peace or relations with the west and um and uh everything that the west has done
to punish putin has actually only punished the west more and and formed an alliance that will
long-term be more beneficial to to russia than detrimental and certainly more beneficial to russia
than to america kind of on that same note what do you think about that uh what do you think of what
what do you think of what you recently said that you know harris is our favorite candidate before
was biden what do you make of that oh you were breaking up there about what putin said or maduro
about about harris sorry putin uh putin yeah like harris is our favorite candidate and you know oh yeah
well what do you know you know how i know he's trolling nobody on earth thinks kamala harris has a
wonderful uh what do you call it an enthralling laugh i mean it's it's an obvious troll and in he's he's
creating i mean i don't think he has a vested interest to like cause havoc in american society
you know i think they would rather focus on on their own issues domestically but that's just an
epic troll i mean that's a trump-like troll yeah oh yeah kamala's got a kamala's laugh is like nails
on a chalkboard and it's it's it's not just that it's an annoying noise it's that it's an it's an it's
a symptom and a symbol of incompetence and insecurity that she cackles when she doesn't have anything
something you know when she knows that she's an idiot and so i mean he's just pointing it out for
the world but him endorsing kamala it's a funny troll because when david duke endorsed uh who you know
when when anyone like nick fuentes has anything to do with the trump campaign trump is a white
nationalist when putin endorses kamala now oh it's just a joke so it's it's again it's the double standard
of uh of their you know it's their hypocrisy when when it happens to you it's terrible when it happens
to us it's just a joke move on but he's clearly trolling and it's a good one
yeah yeah i was like really surprised when i read that i was like wait a minute that's that's
an interesting thing didn't expect that to happen anytime soon but yeah you know i guess well the
flip side is a kamala a harris presidency would probably be very good for putin uh you know because
he would get to just walk all over america like he's like he's been doing for the last four years
it's if i forget whose theory it was and i don't want to appropriate it without giving credit
but oh well i mean trump trump has been saying it but like it's not an accident what happened under the
biden administration it's not it's not an accident that russia says the us is run by a bunch of
bumbling idiots who leave 80 billion dollars worth of reppinry after they grotesquely incompetently
and criminally negligently abandoned afghanistan who's going to stop me from having my way with eastern
uh with eastern ukraine you know biden already said i can stick the tip in i mean it's it's so i
think uh in in a way putin would like harris and he'd certainly be easier to exploit the world and
and certainly the west with uh with the harris presidency but there might he might it might
you know sorry from a political perspective i'm sure he'd be happy with the harris presidency because
they would continue doing what they're doing to the rest of the world and and and america would
continue suffering but i suspect everyone would like a little bit of global security which oddly
enough came under trump and not under biden it's an interesting argument because i mean if you look
at what was stated at least um at the dnc they were saying that there would be more money given to
ukraine that the flow of money would continue under you know if you if you were to vote for the democratic
party at least so well that's that's what was stated at the uh dnc by harris you know wouldn't that
be something well you know if you were to say yeah have a if that support was in fact not actually
a troll you know wouldn't that technically be a negative thing for putin because you know they
need have again you know your enemy which is effectively ukraine which of course it is in this
case uh for him you know be continually funded and capable of defending themselves like don't you
think that that would be kind of an issue for him uh i mean if i if i'm being very cynical no the the
the the american funding of ukraine on the one hand is that i'm not saying only but led to the
slaughter of a generation of ukrainians it's led to the impoverishment and the the internal destruction
of of american society to some extent and so if if you're playing a long game here let let america
continue to bankrupt itself fighting an endless war that it will never that ukraine will never win
instead instead of negotiating and so look everything that the west has done from financing
i mean everyone's getting their cut of whatever financing and aid is going to ukraine but from a
geopolitical perspective it's only benefited russia and it's only benefited a a non-american alliance
so you want to play the long game if you're putin let ukraine extinguish a generation of men and women
in the long run it might make it even easier if the goal was to take over all of ukraine
it might make it easier and um and let america continue to bankrupt itself let america continue
to funnel billions of dollars off while a hundred thousand people young men and women of fighting age
die from fentanyl while you have an invasion of the southern border and let america fall and it will
no longer be a geo a super uh sorry a geopolitical superpower so from a very cynical long-term perspective
it'll it'll it'll play out in russia's favor it's not this is not a um it's a russia wins wars of
attrition not blitzkriegs that's interesting i wish i wish i had um john spencer here for this he
would have he would have that would have been an insane discussion because he's like a person who
does the urban warfare studies at west point i'm pretty sure you've heard of him so like that would
have been an insane discussion just now but uh yeah i'll keep that in mind i understand i'm not
an authority on it you know this this entire conflict has been a learning curve for me i'm
comfortable enough with you know the the understanding that i have now but i i'm by no means an authority
so i couldn't really have a you know i i wouldn't be the one to have a meaningful debate to put it in
quotes but no that's my that's my view of how things will go it's let let let america i mean from
his perspective america will bankrupt itself and it will suffocate itself it's like you you can't
have peace at home when you're continually financing war abroad interesting interesting
that that i borrowed from uh robert f kennedy jr i'm not sure if it was his expression but he he put
together a compelling argument you know like you have you have chaos at home and you have destruction
at home when you're financing war abroad because you imagine that they could have rebuilt lahaina hawaii
for what they lost in ukraine by way of aid uh you you they could have built a border wall that
would have prevented the fentanyl from coming in that's that's that's savaging a hundred thousand
people a year it's it what they're doing is focusing on external global conflict to the absolute neglect
of their own population and that is a recipe for disaster i mean that's if i if i understood the fall of
the roman empire enough that's at least one of the analogous um trajectories that that one could argue
america is on another uh audience question we have uh barf says uh viva what did you think of the
putin tucker interview any comments on that or well i thought it was it was an interesting interview i i was
i was as confused as tucker was for the for the opening 30 35 minute monologue but i i knew
strategically why putin's doing it it's to show that he is demonstrably different than the president
of america i mean he's he's historically literate he's eloquent in as much as i could rely on the
translation from from russian uh and it was just to prove a point he can talk for 40 minutes on global
history and joe biden talks about the hair on his legs uh rising when kids play with him in a pool
i mean it was just to draw the contrast of leadership
yeah i thought honestly i started laughing so heavily when it's like giving him a history lesson
it's like okay to begin with we're gonna start like what what century did he pull up like some
obscure date i was like okay it was the sixth century it's like he begins really at the beginning
of time like oh god and then he gives him a book he gives him like homework i'm like dude
there's no way oh no oh now that you mentioned it by the way adrian that might come back now
remember when when they when uh putin gave tucker the documents and i'm like oh crap they're gonna go
and arrest tucker for some form of international espionage now seeing what happened with tenant
media i'm wondering if that's gonna if that moment is going to come back into the media we'll see we'll
see i don't i don't want to even wish it because i i in as much as i know tucker i've met him
once and he's a nice guy i i don't want anything bad to happen to him but i you know the the way
these demons play the long political game i wouldn't be surprised if that moment comes back up to the
uh to the news front yeah yeah i just thought it was a this that was a very interesting interaction
especially you could kind of tell i mean if you know body like it's anything to go by it if i assess
that correctly you know tucker was kind of nervous to be in his presence and to be there in the first
place because it was a very controversial action to take you know to go there to moscow and then
to meet putin of all people like that's as as controversial as you can get politically in this day
and age it's like that's that's max level like you could go to netanyahu and i don't think it would
be anything that's close to controversial and even that is like supposedly controversial or like you
could go to terrorist agencies but that that is like that's the peak man that's the absolute peak
so you know it just it just shows you the absolute absurdity of of modern day politics where you're
involved it went from i mean it went from the the chamberlain you don't negotiate with with what you
can see you know the hitlers to a total rejection of any form of diplomacy like it's yeah you're right
you can go meet with kim jong-un i mean nobody liked it when when when trump did it but i think
a lot of people respected it this is like from from the from the media narrative they've painted a
villain that is uh you know it's so villainous that you can't engage in discussion with a a nuclear
superpower with whom there is a proxy world war like it's it's like we're being led by idiots who
deliberately want to exacerbate all problems to trigger a world war three but yeah oh tucker
meeting with the with the president of a global super nuclear superpower is is unheard of i mean
anybody who anybody who is actually feigning shock or outrage at that should have no place in uh in in
in the public political discourse or intellectual discourse
yeah exactly
but still that like that like goes down as uh one of the most that and of course you know the
conversation with um donald trump those are like the two like i think out of the two that was like
the strangest the putin thing was like the strangest thing i'd watched because it almost felt like it's
satire but it's also reality then we had the elon trump conversation on spaces following a ddos attack
which was then you know um fixed within minutes which is crazy i mean damn dude the world is the
world is crazy man the world is absolutely crazy i never imagined that you know i i read a lot of
history when i was a kid and i would look at all this stuff and think man history is crazy you know i
i cannot imagine that any of this would return and i'm glad that it kind of doesn't um and now we
have this it's like okay cool so we have the potential for mars i'm going to probably see that
in my own lifetime we have the potential for another moon landing we have i'm using a satellite internet
that's so fast that it's better than fiber um you know fiber optic based internet and i'm i'm talking
to a computer that is able to respond i'm talking to people who are involved politically it's like
man this world's weird it's it's it's very strange to live in this world honestly it really
is i'd never imagine this this is this is crazy like you're older than me what do you what do you
think has the world gone crazier hold on how old are you i'm like 23. well that's that that just blew
my perspective of how i was imagining you i am yes i'm 20 your age holy cows you know the terrible thing
is i remember not that i remember being 23 like i'm an old geezer i still feel like i'm 23 when when
i say that double the age of a 23 means nothing um yeah that's true so there's there's certain
things now that you get to live life backwards now that you lived it forwards like the uh this recent
flare-up of violence in the middle east you know i lived through the the first two intifadas
uh they're barely consciously remember the first gulf war definitely remember the second gulf war uh you
know the more it is you're gonna go full circle to the beginning but it is the mark twain like history
doesn't rhyme but but history doesn't repeat but it rhymes i can now retrospectively appreciate
the same cycle playing out um you know over and over again in various degrees but it from a
technological perspective and from an information perspective um it's it is a singularly unique time
to be alive and just from my own personal position you know never in a million years did i ever think i
would be forced to leave my country come down to the states live in florida and uh you know be in
be in the position i'm in right now but you know all all touch wood all good things in in a sense that
we're still making progress and uh the nukes haven't started flying so i'll continue to hold my breath and
wish prepare for the worst but hope for the best yeah i hope also not to see that in my lifetime i don't
want to have nuclear fallout like i did that's that's that's that's annoying no but like it's
everybody knows everybody on my end of the internet knows i'm like really neurotic and it's called
fanatophobia like i have a morbid fear of death and i can you know you think about i think about it
unreasonably often and you visualize it and like how would it happen and i'm thinking here like sitting
in florida if a nuke goes off in the atlantic a tsunami is gonna wash over florida i like what the i mean
what's that gonna look like feel like what are the last thoughts gonna be like i think i'm not
even worried about the nuclear winter the the tsunami in florida i mean if you let's say that
now i know i've put the juju out of the universe so it can't happen but um yeah no look i i think
this is like the most i'll experience conversation ever it's like you know i think about death a lot
what about what if a nuke were to come down here in florida what about the nuclear tsunami
did you remember like like it's you saw the tsunami in japan i mean i i just detonated a
bomb underwater and forget the bomb itself just tsunami washout anyhow uh but no i i think we are
on the verge of a great awakening that the battle for information is is going into overdrive to the
point where i think that you know they're the powers that want to retain control that see it
slipping out of their hands want to go after everyone and everyone with you know all the powers of
of of of technologies they have and um as alex jones said you know it's it's a it's a war uh for
our minds well jesus what was it now it's an information war ah whatever you know the expression
it's a battle for our minds and and uh we have to keep uh stay vigilant and and not screw up and not
give them any excuses um and that also means calling anybody who asks for violence a fed like
they probably are like that ray epps from jan 6.
yeah
adrian you're 23 years old by my my is
i'm all 20s yeah yeah i still know what i think i i know what i think i'll dm you my theories
afterwards but uh well this is this it's been it's one of the is one of the potential theories
like a clone of some kind is that like is that like one of them because that's been going around
a little bit no i feel bad even thinking it because if you are a real person it feels terrible
to reduce you to what what i you know what some people think was an a like showing how yeah yeah
i mean i mean it's a very yeah i mean i mean look that's a that's a very functional agent that's
a fun one but i mean you have to assume um like i've been around for quite a long time and you know
computer has existed but you know it would be kind of weird to have an agent that exists already
out of the time to when colossus came online you know colossus being the massive data center
um so it it's it's like out of the it's outside of the likelihood of possibilities because you know
the compute didn't exist right so it this is this probably like the ironically what i've just said
is probably the worst way to say that that's unlikely because it's almost like saying you know
the aliens in below pyramids and you know find a find a cube of uh find a cube of titanium that's
machine like you know that's the same thing it's a very meritable thing to say but you know
people are still going to believe the opposite um so this is one of those things you know you're
still going to believe the opposite of what i say um right after i tell you not to believe me
it's it's impossible to the extent anyone thinks it's really you i figured that that would be the
easiest one to cross verify like where's elon now that you can't be the actual elon you're just going
to be some guy with have you has anyone ever seen a picture of you yeah actually no he has yeah
yeah yeah like he has but yeah beyond that no worse is even my name if you like took my name and you
put it into an encoder it actually it translates to something it's kind of funny like you know the
the record what do they call the dramatic record it's so funny you say that because i was gonna say
like i bet you if i go into like gematria or something i can find a connection of the name agent but
but yeah so by the way it has two n's on the end of it so your name is of germanic descent
yes it is i yeah it is and i'm gonna go see i'm gonna go see what it means after this but um
no anyways all i have to say is i look i i it should not be the subject of every discussion that you have
on these on these things because your voice is no no but it's fine honestly like this this is something
that inevitably boils up and i think you know it's it's an interesting it's all i i actually like to
think of this as a type of iq test for people who are very aware like people let that control their
perception definitely but also to that extent you know some people like kind of figure this
out quickly but still want to hear out the mind behind it you know like for instance with destiny
like i've spoken to the person who refers himself as the omniliberal you know destiny um very interesting
person he's he's crazy but you know i've had multiple conversations with him one of course you know
was that uh mock debates like i kind of baited him out so i can ask him the question because i didn't
really want to have a debate i just wanted him to i just wanted to ask the question to get an answer
to the reasoning behind why he made these up jokes about a person who got shot you know so i just
wanted to understand that and you know i get i gave my answer and yeah what was what was his answer
like what what is the consensus it's it's it's a joke and i'm just joking or i mean it or i'm just
looking for literally it's like his thing he he his thing is that if he wants to make fun about
something he doesn't want to have any limitation on humor no more no matter how dark it is he
doesn't care like if it's classified as humor he just wants it to be as dark as possible that's kind
of what i've gotten at least any days i mean if i were to say this to him now he'd probably add some
more context to this as well but at least that's what i've been able to gather from that right and
multiple conversations i've had thereafter at least one which you know i had like i had a discord call
with him and we actually had a conversation where i kind of felt that that was a very productive
one that we were having and that discussion was great um yeah he's very adversarial and if you
remove the politics aspect of how he um he just discusses things you actually make sure to like
him to a certain extent which is odd not trying to make we're not sure what to make of that that's
that it's the um i'm sure there's some deep-seated psychological issue there that makes someone
because the it's just a joke bro or it's just a prank bro i mean a in law it doesn't work if you're
actually breaking the law when you do it regardless and when it comes to humor i'm not saying that it
should be illegal but you know it's just a joke or it's humor well humor is not just the freedom to
say anything and it's certainly not the freedom to say certain things that are um i don't you know i
guess it begs the question as to what humor is that they say it's uh crisis plus time whereas if you
don't wait to if you don't wait enough time it's not humor it's just um it's just uh malice and then
the flip side is some of that in a politically charged environment is not going to be a joke
it's going to be a dog whistle to other people to to to to do violence so i i for me it's a i never
understood how he became any form of a of an intellectual authority or uh on anything and um
it just it just sound like the the classic troll and just see how far i can go and i revel in the
attention and and he got the attention that he wanted so mission accomplished i mean i'll push back a
little bit on that and i would say you know it's it's not so much as an is it okay so so so if you
have an argument with someone who is very capable of recalling and presenting certain facts that
he has you know attained that i think has a certain skill to it and that's exactly what this guy has
done so i mean what constitutes as an intellectual like why am i something that has a conversation with
you for instance right this is something i have to like kind of imagine as well i'm an anonymous account
i probably like you know i'm i'm a guy with a space pfp you know look at it look at it right
so i'm having a conversation with you like what enables me to have that conversation with you and
i think to that same extent you know there's merit to what destiny says and there's merit to what
we'd have to consider with an argument like that i think if you have an argument with someone like
that it really tests your resolve and it tests you know what kind of um you know facts you have
against something like that i think it's a good thing that people like that exist because you genuinely
want to have a contrarian whose entire purpose is to you know read into certain things and then use
that as an argumentation you can have that same argument when it comes to something like nutrition
for instance and i've had arguments around nutrition this is something i understand very well
quite a lot and that's a very interesting argument to have and if you're well read into the subject and
i believe that your person should have a conversation about that and if you are able to carry that
conversation well and you know other people identify that as well and they're able to then thereby
follow you and just you know follow your efforts as a result of this because you consistently do so
then that's a that's a good thing and i think it's actually a good thing you know people like that need
to exist because without that without them the world would be boring sure they do up things and
i don't agree with a lot of what they say but that's what the that's the purpose of a contrarian i
think that's a really interesting contrarian it's not just it's not really a malicious contrarian i
think that's genuinely human you know this is somebody that i want to become probably not is that
something who's like a role model in terms of conversation and the way that he articulates facts i would say
so but like it's i i think he's an interesting person like that's that's kind of my view i'm
trying to the the i i i don't have enough of destiny's examples off off hand so i'm i'm just
trying to google now what i remember seeing some of the tweets at the time like what the you know i i'm
gonna move on to something more productive the um no but the example it's true like what gives what
makes someone an intellectual recall during a debate the ability to think on your feet it's obviously that
makes for entertaining uh debate as they as they refer to it i i you know i think the more
interesting thing it has to be the reliability and intellectual honesty for the purposes of any
debate and then all of those other skills make it even more compelling uh my bottom line is if i
can't trust someone to be intellectually honest in a debate uh or if they display such poor judgment
under other circumstances it makes it difficult to understand why they became an intellectual authority
in the first place and the the the better the better example that i can that i'm more familiar
with was was uh the sam harris meltdown where you know at some point the the thought process became
so compromised it was it was not worth listening to in in any way shape or form and you know i i i
didn't know destiny early on how he rose to prominence i just saw the model you know the recent
stuff i'm like i didn't didn't understand it but uh i admittedly not um not someone that i could
write a dissertation on he had a large following from quite a long time ago from being a starcraft
streamer and he's like the biggest streamer on twitch for in the early days yeah and that's how
he kind of gained his following and then he kind of pivoted later on to political content yeah that
was good it's a look i do agree the world needs everybody and i'm not and i the world needs everything
that's not violent and not uh outright destructive um and it does make for i mean the internet would be
a lot less fun if there weren't uh you know the the destinies or the or the keith olbermans or the uh
who's the other one there or the roseo i mean look the internet would be a lot more boring if you
didn't have the um the far ends of the spectrum on both sides
yeah exactly i think someone like that he is uh while destructive he's also somewhat productive it's a
great conversation to have like he can you he's very abstract and so am i also you'll either really
like him or me or you will it will really hate him or me right it's the same thing you know there's
there's really there's there's hardly like a position in between um well no one's gonna hate
no one's gonna hate you i've never heard you say anything remotely uh oh no people don't like me
people don't like me there's a lot of people who don't like me because i just basically arrived out
of nowhere and i like to say certain things because the thing is this you know i gay i got to the place
of where i am partly without any assistance of anyone else right so it's like nobody really has a bearing on me
and is able to kind of like limit me or say you know you have obligations to this person of you
you have obligations to this relationship here you know like you have this weird connection with some
accounts that go over time where it's like they have to rely on personal relationships into our
personal relationships to like actually gain a certain you know following right say okay i will
give you a favor here one day i'll repay you and then you have like these weird entanglements everywhere
and i don't have that like i can freely shit on some individuals because of you know a
merit-based assertion right that doesn't mean that i will most of the time because i still respect some
people and i still believe you know that it's not something that's entirely productive but at least
i have the freedom to do so and that's what a lot of people just dislike about me because i'm an actual
threat in that from that perspective you know and people have tried to do various things they've since
given up because i just paid no mind i don't give a shit so it's it is what it is you know you will
either like it or you will dislike it right that's that's the fundamental thing right because you know how
just like what you said actually about destiny you know like what what makes this guy such a
meritable figure to talk about these types of things right it's the same type of thought process
ironically enough but like it's misaligned so it's like ill ill meant instead of well meant right
yeah no well what i mean what i i have never heard you say anything like like well a factually incorrect
that discredits the the your knowledge and that you've been in this i've heard about i've listened to
a number of spaces you actually are i don't know how you are as knowledgeable as you are on
the the array of subject matter that you are uh but you know like the bottom line someone can also
be quite quite smart and insightful if they're just toxic and foul and uh you you will not listen to
them because there's a lot of people out there and you can get all of the value added without the
without the nastiness and the toxicness and i'm i've seen some of those jokes and they're just not uh i
don't consider that humor i don't think it should be illegal but it's not something that i'm gonna
it waste my finite time reading yeah exactly yeah again you know i wouldn't like kind of see myself
watching one of his streams religiously but i would have a conversation with that person still that's
kind of that's kind of what i see because i i know historically it's like yeah yeah no the other thing
is also when you do i know i've never i don't watch twitch at all but i do know like when you do hours
long streams in order to you know keep people interested the behavior has to be um you know a
a little a little edgier and and then it has to get increasingly over time otherwise people become
saturated not saturated but the condition to it so that that's the nature of that beast uh you know
the long-term the long-term uh stuff for uh you know political legal commentary uh you have to just
you don't have to get edgier and edgier you have to just get more and more reliable so it's just a
different precisely so to speak ironically enough that's what i do with the conversation show because
i kind of feel like that's something that i wanted to expand on more that's like this this is why i
actually started this i said you know let's have everyday spaces that starting at 9 p.m eastern just
like kind of chill there and have a conversation just like we're having right now i kind of feel like
it's very nice and it's better than a podcast even it's kind of like a podcast but it's almost live
like it's a it's a new thing and i like using spaces this way because anyone can be a part of it i
mean like right now for instance people make comments underneath the space and some of which
i think are very insightful i pin up to the top of the space for others to then see so there's
live interaction and there's actual presence by the audience within the um you know the stream so
to speak or like what this is it's it's it's quite cool they're fantastic but and i and i i'm not used
to i'm not used to these without video because i i'm used to video i'm still here sitting looking at my
camera but uh there's a little bit there's a little bit more freedom that comes with only audio that i
don't have to worry about making eye contact with a camera so that it looks like we're making eye
contact with the world no the i i love this i mean i which is like which is the only thing not my only
regret but my my main concern or my main let's call it a regret is that people who don't know me would
not be inclined to uh people who are ideologically uh not aligned with me if all they knew was my twitter
persona or my twitter personality they would they would not be fearful they would just never even
contemplate having a long format discussion with me whereas that's the that's the what i've always
preferred the most like i don't like short format content and i love getting to know people so much
so that when i do my you know first interviews people like shut up and nobody cares about the
childhood anymore get into the interview but no these things are these spaces are amazing and
if there is a little bit of a white pill in all of this it's that people are seeming to yearn
for the longer format more insightful type podcast interviews structure than the five minute pieces
on a failing uh you know legacy media and and hopefully there'll be a the pendulum swinging back
from 140 characters on twitter to longer format and that's what people want to tune in for
i mean that's that's that's funny because that's exactly what radio is for right you have radio shows
and this is exactly what it is it feels like an actual radio show like at the end of the day
you're like you're coming home from work you're tired you're beat down you want to listen into
something where you're going to have a conversation um with a few of the people that you always listen
to you have a familiar voice like you know you have like the it's like the late show effectively
yeah you know you have certain hosts that you have a attachment to and you will see them every day
and you're like oh hey you know i'm just going to tune into this something interesting should be
you know something interesting always will happen right and uh you that's that's that's what that is and
that's why i like having the show and you know ironically enough to kind of go back on why people
dislike that it's you know i can i generally have the freedom to just put that on because
i just know certain things and i can have a conversation around that it's just basically how
you see the world and what mindset you have and then you can just freely have a show on this and
again that's the aspect of that it's free you know it's the it's this ability to express
yourself freely and that becomes endearing to a certain extent as well and that's where i then
experience success and you know i mean you're here right so i i assume i'm doing something right
and again this is something which yeah i i think i don't remember when the first time i heard you i
want to say how many times have you been on alex jones uh maybe five times maybe a few more i'm
i haven't counted well that's that no i'm sure it was on alex jones but it wasn't recent like it
wasn't within the last month or two everything and i and i i i don't remember when it was but no i do
it are you i i hear you there and then you start following it's it's an amazing thing like we we
make digital friends and people we meet online and and these i i enjoy getting to meet everybody
and you are right it's like it's the return of daytime radio without the incessant sound effects
and ads every every four minutes and that's what i discovered when we were doing the written house
trial that because it went on for so long you realize that people just want to listen to something
either you know to to situate them during the day or to just to gather information throughout the day
while they're doing something else and uh that's when i sort of well actually i discovered that
during the ottawa trucker protest is people want to see things uh they don't need you know they want
to be part of things and they want to have it be part of their lives and you know that that's where
this longer format discussion comes into play and it's good just gotta a know what you're talking
about and b not screw up so i'm gonna keep continuing when you screw up you know the proper damage
control from the perspective of admitting that you did you know it's like yeah that's the thing
i have screwed up a few things like i've um in the past you know like for instance there was this
one conversation that i had about quantum mechanics which didn't really end up to uh so well
uh i i don't like having a conversation about quantum mechanics because like it's it's a weird
topic where you kind of understand it by not understanding it which is as bad as it gets
so like i had a conversation around you know how effectively communication devices could work if you were to
somehow use quantum entanglement and leverage it as a means to transfer information but that
apparently doesn't work because as soon as you impact as soon as you change anything about the
particle that's entangled with the other then the entanglement itself is broken so it's like
that didn't work out and i didn't know that fact at the time so i had a conversation regardless
and that that was dumb and i'd like stated repeatedly yeah i'm sorry about that and that's
that was a stupid thing and it's like actually one of my one of actually ironically i think it's one
of the only examples of my failure where like this is something where i'm like dude yeah check yourself
that definitely you know there's benefit of the doubt and everything and yeah i i'm googling mine
i remember where mine was i can't remember the name of the doctor but i i i accidentally believed
one of these well i actually it was a tweet that said uh from a purportedly from a doctor that said
i got vaccinated and you know it gave me myocarditis but i would do it again because i was coming from
a place of love and joy and people who don't get vaxxed or anti-vaxxers and coming from a place of hate
and it was on a rogan episode and like and i saw it and i tried to message the person and then i
thought it was a real tweet i didn't say anything horribly terrible i just apologized but via dm that
i thought that the tweet was real um yeah i wouldn't make a mistake on quantum mechanics because
i wouldn't even start that discussion i i i had on um ashton forbes who i don't know if you've had him
on the guy yeah swigandash informs a bunch yeah he's uh interesting interesting he's explaining to
me you know like wormholes and all he's explaining to me science like i i i max out at black holes it
took me a long time to even understand black holes and that's where i stopped but we're gonna start
getting into like negative energy and i was like okay i i don't even know how to ask a question or to
not press him but you know i i read i was the i was the you know the kid who doesn't even know how to
ask a question during that but uh that was that was an interesting one oh if i could remember the
tweet well i'll find it afterwards but two black holes that's that's fun oh wait that's like the
first uh ironically enough yeah this was also one of the first things that i said this is like a
really strange concept you have this thing that's technically a hole but it's also not a hole it's
like a spherical hole you know that's kind of how it functions like and it's an infinitely dense thing
that's it's actually a thing that's so dense that it keeps getting denser because it's so dense
like what the hell is that that's so cool you know what john said is like in order to be infinitely
dense or have in order to be infinitely dense it has to be bottomless and yet uh it it it it's it's
mass like it's what it's a physical manifestation of a bottomless pit
it blows my mind i read black holes in the universe i forget who who wrote by when i was in when i was in
say jeff or university as we say that we call up in canada but yeah mind-blowing stuff that that i i
i'll i'll be better positioned to uh track the the political legal landscape and and have that for
recall then try to understand things that i'm fundamentally incapable of understanding
yeah exactly yeah same here and even with that i mean like it's it's it's better to have a have a
question of a conversation that is rooted in principles because then he can kind of extract
facts and you know assign them to concepts and that's really the essence of what the conversation
show effectively is because it's less it's less an interview and it's more of just a conversation
between two people i i i like it i love it and if you ever do video let me know and you can uh i'll
interview we will have a discussion on my channel certainly man yeah i mean video may not be a thing that
will happen in a few years we'll see how that kind of works out because i mean as a person who has
been on the internet for quite a while even previous to you know creating an account here and creating
this account being scaling that there's a reason why i don't turn my face there's a reason for that
because i know who's on the internet i know what that is um even though the risk level like if people
were to know who i really was it wouldn't really changed very much actually would kind of make me
more powerful ironically but in in out of itself like yeah not yet well but then the thing is like
the questions i always ask because i you know childhood upbringing i think i know i i remember
i remember listening to one where you explained a little bit of your where your your origin story
but um even i would ask so many invasive questions even without video people might be able to determine
identity so it would not it would not be a fair discussion to have yeah one day one day i'll
i'll let you know and it's like a when i um when i come out of the closet now what what am i allowed
asking what country you're in no no no i can't say that no okay fine i mean it's going to all be
a special if you're ever in florida you'll you'll you'll drop me a line and we'll we'll do something
in person at the beautiful local studio on one end of the the the manhattan panhandle or the other
i'm actually thinking of visiting florida just for personal reasons just to like kind of see what's
going on there um like i would meet up just for like a personal discussion but without it actually
being on record or anything like that but yeah sounds good i it would be first of all florida's
amazing if you don't mind flatness humidity and heat uh but like i i the joke that i have is
every not even a joke it's just my everybody's happy here um and i asked somebody and i think
this i came back from canada and it's just like it's a different ambiance and the guys like yeah
we live where people vacation it's uh it's an amazing place and the fishing is great the beaches
are beautiful and uh it's it's it's spiritually free so for whatever it's lacking by way of mountains
and and fresh water and for its hazards of gators in in the in the canals it's a politically and
spiritually free state and it's it's fantastic yeah of course not to be confused with the florida
man thing which is just a result of uh transparency in terms of news it's like you can publish these
kinds of things even though it's not normal elsewhere you can probably assume that in new
york there are crazier things going on or anywhere else there are crazier things going on than anything
like florida for instance i think florida gets a bad rap as a result of that um but yeah i mean i
know several people that live there i know one person who's a uh aerospace engineer he's a really cool
dude and he doesn't strike me as odd he strikes me as odd from uh in a good way wherein he somehow
is this you know relatively older individual who somehow understands the terminology of modern
individuals which is quite odd it's like the way he does that and he he sometimes tells me jokes that
i thought i find are risky it's like this is something that 18 year old me would say like how are you doing
that so yeah i have good experience with florida yeah no no it's a it's a it's a it's a i mean it's
great it's uh but we'll see it might be the last the last stronghold depending on uh what happens
when the world when the world i i everyone thinks cataclysmic and you know like the fall of rome but
out of the fall of rome came uh italy and other nations so no matter i i'd like to hope that no matter
how bad it gets um there it'll it'll still be good but we'll see it's uh and even in the end it
like it gets uh you know did you did you uh was was earth was earth nice you know yeah that's kind
of a thing can you imagine like i it was it was the idea of like yeah someday there will be no trace
in the cosmos of our human existence and i can't think of anything more terrifying than that
i think there's there might be a trace um it'll just be different you know things evolve over
time as well and i think before you know even how to explain this like even like this
even before it or anywhere close to the uh expansion and then eventual collapse of the sun
i think human biologics will be extinct so that's it's a it's a it's a frightening thing but i think
we will just be transformed into something else and i think our technology will effectively allow us to
do that where we just kind of take on a different form of biologic that i kind of feel like is what
might happen to us because that's kind of where i see evolution going in general and ironically enough
there's this funny meme in evolution where things tend to to crabs where like everything evolves back
into crabs for some reason no no idea why this happens but like we could be crabs in the future
i don't know like what are these really tall skinny figures well now now you have armor
i i could appreciate i could appreciate the idea that the transformation could be in
into energy and to some extent they'll i don't know if there's like a uh an atomic memory that that
human existence will transform this energy i can envision that the one thing i've done in as much as i
constantly and think of and fear death it does lead you to think you know contemplate what occurred
in the i don't know whether or not we're up to 14 or 20 billion years before i was born like
had no knowledge of that and uh what is it what is all that gonna i mean it's it that that's where
the mind gets blown and where you try to appreciate that and it's it's unfathomable or inconceivable
yeah exactly so it'll be uh that's also something i'm a person who doesn't like the end i believe in
the new beginnings as a result of an eventual end it's like how i cope with the understanding of an
end uh you know do you still remember i'm not sure if you were there when i was on the space with
alex jones just weeks before the solar eclipse everybody thought that demons are going to come
through a portal or some shit remember that like i was there and actually had a conversation with
that and they were like asking me what do you think like what do you think about all this and i said
do you just use just gotta be calm nobody there's really no need to panic you know your ancestors
panicked about this because they didn't know what knew what it was and you know your ancestors
even the mayans feared this primarily not just because the occurrence itself was odd but it would
herald and act by the humans there to start sacrificing people it's like that's not a good
thing so of course you'd be warranted to fear this thing coming not just because you think this is like
retribution of the gods but some one of you one of your number one of your number is gonna die
you know um and in a brutal way as a matter of fact so that that would be the fear that your ancestors
had so instead of you know succumbing to the same fear of your ancestors why don't you just go there
and enjoy it and just look at it it's interesting way of thinking about why there is that propensity
every time that it's it's ingrained in our dna that we have this feeling and it just materializes
in a more technologically savvy way now that we can formulate oh it's we don't it's not a total
mystery we know what's happening but something cataclysmic is going to come as a result of it
i that's uh i hadn't actually thought about our fears or the not the chaos but the panic
surrounding it or the obsession with it is a manifestation of our genetic memory of when we
were more primitive and and still freaked out about it but for different reasons for lack of understanding
yeah exactly i mean and and again you know the question of the end was there it's like you know
and if there is something that does end up happening like did you have fun was it good was the game
played well like did you enjoy your time here on earth so i'm not saying that there is something
going to happen like i told them it's like i'm not saying that there is something that's going to
happen i'm just saying you know are you going to panic are you going to be you know just just enjoy
this it's it's it's it's all going to end well and i think it will be an amazing experience and it
was you know i went there um it into the path of totality ironically enough a lot of the people
that i was supposed to go there with cancelled last minute which is ironic it's like very ominous i was
going there and everyone else was going away it's like okay that's not a good sign i would have
avoided the path of totality not out of a fear of a portal or anything just out of a fear of other
humans like the truck exactly yeah same that was literally my exact same thing that's why i told
everyone just just be calm man it's going to be great it's going to be fine and i actually went to
the u.s capital i actually went to the capital building in in texas um in austin texas i went to the
capital building there um just to kind of check it out and to be there when totality happened it was
beautiful it was great um i didn't even really take any pictures because i couldn't i was just
looking at it and i was frozen it was beautiful like you just stood there everything was dark
started going dark you know people stopped playing music or anything everyone had songs
they were looking at this thing in the side i was like dude this is amazing i couldn't
i couldn't take my phone out to take a picture because why would you just enjoy this
and you know after that everybody was up there they had great deep spiritual experience out of
fear you miss something truly special and yeah i think that same thing also applies to the end you
know out of fear for something's ending you know i think we're missing out on some of the great
things that we could have done in life i will try to i will try to absorb the not having a fear of the
end i yeah i mean you'll you'll still fear the end but i don't think it should cripple you
i mean i don't want the end either i think the idea is that some people genuinely want to
you know end comes from the fact that their life will truly suffer and i think you know there's
there's what these people say and there's better to things that are fate that that their fate was
and death there's a there's a there's a to that argument um but i think for most of us we don't
have such a fit and we can call it we can we can call it as blessed as a result of that so we have this
desire to never end you know because we consider the cost of ending to be higher than the pain of
suffering well also the end if if it's i know religious people try to impart this on me that
it's not the case but if the end is an eternity of darkness like the 20 billion years before me
i guess it's not it's not bad but i i i'd rather you know be able to still have a barbecue and a
martini and a beautifully yeah yeah exactly that tastes so damn good but no but and adrian like
the um the thing that blows my mind forget that forget the the the the uh eclipse itself
what type of what type of world is it that we live in where we have an eclipse because the respective
sizes of the moon and the sun and the sky have to do with the sizes of the of the bodies and the
distance from earth i mean it's like it's like someone is deliberately saying i set this up so that
this should happen so that you should know that i exist because it by an accident it's inconceivable
that that should happen by accident that you even have eclipses because of the you know the absolute
pinpoint precision of the distances and sizes of those celestial bodies yeah yeah it's so cool it's
a physics game too it's great it's beautiful and i think this is the thing that i did really like
for communities that they turned into the thing to be feared and it's like you're just why man just
gonna enjoy that to enjoy that like a long time opportunity and it's cool that it happened to
pass over the majority united states you know to see this and even when you look at air traffic
in that period of time it all just kind of coalesced around this path and people got to experience it as
well that's great and i often ask myself you know what what events did that potentially have
where you had all this human attention focus on the one particular event i think in that one moment
you know people might have you know the people who are there have discovered something very
uh special about themselves you know this weird connection that i think exists in everything
um if i if i were if i were in the line i would have definitely appreciated if i were in the sky i would
have appreciated it but i was definitely avoiding uh going into that the traffic and the zones and
the bookings and avoiding the crowds but my brother did it and he sent me a video full you know he was
in the full path and it was surreal and amazing but um it was insane it's funny because i i took a risk
there i actually took a gamble because i assumed i assumed i do that if people see this they're probably
going to feel about it the same way as i do so let's just go there and see if my experiment is
correct if you're good to the place which probably has the most simple people around which is the
capitol building i thought you know there's a lot of security if something were to go south you know
they do it before it's like a lot of there's a lot of police vehicles like driving around here and
there's like a there's you know people just chilling in a park so i assume that they're kind of on
that same level um and it was great people were celebrating actually a concert that was happening at the same time as well and you'd hear that
and it was like it was the most surreal atmosphere that i've ever experienced and afterwards i think
everybody walked away and they were more connected to each other than they were before somehow i had
that feeling everybody was happy everyone was relieved somehow no idea why i have no idea why i
still cannot explain it it's it was a great deep beautiful feeling i it might be i mean not deeply cosmic but
a deeply spiritual experience where even if people don't know or don't believe uh that it's indicative
of something of a higher order or a higher unintelligent design that it certainly seems to be so maybe maybe
even it reaches on a spiritual level even if people don't consciously believe in that
exactly yeah and i mean spiritual what is that it's just like that's just things being
it's like a mental thing almost as well you know so consider what benefits that has
i who was it that said that that the the value the um the value of prayer is the is the chemical
change in the person doing the praying i'm i'm absolutely bastardizing the expression but that the the
value of prayer is not in its impact on others but its transformation on the person doing the praying
which i can sort of come to actually appreciate at this stage of my life so yeah it's like less
about the scripture more about the act of cleaning your brain that's kind of what that is that's also
what meditation is for which ironically enough i think the western world kind of doesn't understand
the concept of meditation because whenever you ask a person about meditation they say what do you meditate
on well that is the uh that is the exact opposite as to what meditation actually is meditation is to not
be on anything it's like you just sit there and you exist that's the that's the point of meditation
just are present by not being present just exist right can you manage that and what does that do to
you right i i cannot manage it i have not been able to successfully do it i try admit it i mean i tried
to do those seven minute guided meditations but um i i think that i got a little bit of a
hyperactive try this try this find a place um that you normally feel really comfortable like in your
house or something like the place where we usually enjoy it there aren't many distractions just like
turn everything off all your device everything and just sit there close your eyes you take deep breaths in
take deep breaths out do it slowly do it for about like i think just as one just a number of times
it is arbitrary just pick a number just don't even care don't even count and then naturally you'll feel
relaxed and then everything is just kind of falls into place for you there and you just sit there for
as long as you'd like and then come back out when you feel like you're ready and then you'll feel
somehow clean that's meditation to me because you haven't actually meditated on anything try that just
just try that and it can only be for like five minutes or less than that you'll know when you're
ready subscribe it's very subjective i think i'm gonna i might i might try that immediately after
we after we're done here i'll see i might take my fishing rod and go to a pond and and do it there
and then go fishing but oh yeah that's that's that's good yeah that's good i'm not sure if the bugs
are like kind of disturbing but like yeah that might work they're not as bad i don't find them as bad in
florida as i found them in quebec like but i'm fascinating i mean you know the the the bugs
especially the black flies up in quebec but the mosquitoes even there are are worse here i think
they pesticide up the uh the local retaining pond so much that they're not so bad but uh but oh my god
i'm not happy i mean that's why like i would never eat i only eat the fish out of the out of the
everglades but uh they they spray everything here so i i i don't find the bugs that bad but they're not
you know they're they they do exist what you said that's why you just like kind of
mentioned that often jesus christ oh no they they the the stuff they they i mean it's they spray all
they they spray the shoreline of the ponds and uh you know i even but that being said i i i just
haven't seen the the mosquitoes as bad here as i've seen them at the worst up in quebec but
they certainly are they're big and they're darker mosquitoes here than than up north
and then we have a screened in back backdrop but uh no it's uh adrian you'll you'll we will go
fishing one day when you when you get here and uh you'll see i can assure you that you'll not catch
any fish whatever wherever i am fish run away from it's like a consistent meme with me i actually did
this once like i went to a place that was um like it's usually teaming with fish right i went there
on the boat somebody was like putting their hand in the water and the fish were like coming to him
nibbling on him i put my hand in the water everything just disappeared like do you see what my problem is
we went on a fishing trip once and normally this guy is like known for catching lots and lots of fish
but when i'm on that boat is like i'd never had an experience where he didn't catch any fish before i'm like
mm-hmm well i'll take you to a spot where even if you don't catch a fish at least you'll see an
alligator so it will not be a wasted day boy imagine if the alligators run tuna oh i'm gonna i'm gonna
send you a video when we're off i'm sending you a video of a of a gate where we were up there and
somebody snagged well they they caught the turtle it was a soft shell snapping turtle and as they're
trying to pull it in the gator underneath the dock snatches the turtle and devours it
wow that's that's that's that's a food chain cold that's wow snapping turtles are dangerous i'm
afraid of these things those there's like crazy you don't even notice that they're there and they
just kind of like keep their mouth open and then he clamped down in like a second it's insane
yeah well they've got this the the wildlife in florida is beautiful you got soft shell snapping
turtles that have sort of like a pointy face you got your alligator snapping turtles you got standard
turtles we have a couple of baby turtles now a red ear and a cooter um and hold on my dog wants to get
back in here and then you've got uh maybe the the wild and then you got gators and big gators
everywhere i love how you like speak about the florida wildlife okay like i'm not afraid of it
but like it's this it's like it's like an australian person encouraging you to go out in the wild and
they explain to you all the different types of poisonous things that could potentially kill you
at various times like that's it's it's kind of on the same frequency there it's like oh the wildlife
is so beautiful we got this type of snap we have two different types of snapping turtles
and gigantic gators like that's awesome like i wouldn't be afraid of that no but
no what i make the joke is like florida's like the continental australia to america like i go biking
out in the back i was i was biking and i i you see i saw a massive alligator just nesting on the
shoreline and then i'm recording it and as i zoom in i see like there's little babies in it and there's
there's gators i almost ran over a snake but i have yet to see a python no but it is it is like you got
you got you got and then i i saw a it was either a panther or a bobcat like you got cats snakes gators
and uh and and somehow it's you know it all seems to work
this is fantastic yeah well i mean it doesn't discourage me if i've been i've been in
the wildlife like that before otherwise i would know about all this um like i was like somebody
guided through a guide to me through the forest and like showed me this weird like this there's
a very particular kind of spot sometimes that you see on the ground in the forest there it has some
leaves around it and it has a little bit of webbing sometimes you can see a little tiny amount of
webbing there but it's very it's not very obvious but you will you will see it when you know what what
to look for and they say do you see this yeah yeah really look at it yeah yeah that is a funnel
web spider if you step on it you're dead so let's get in the forest i'm like okay
it's like chicken do you have do you have do you have closed off shoes do you have like shoes that
have uh caps on their toes you have no open spaces there i'm like yeah yeah sure okay cool let's go
in the forest like okay that that i might have more of an issue with here we got the worst thing yet
is like is fire ants and so even when you're biking on on the gravel the the fire ants get kicked
up onto your legs from your from your wheel and then they buy god yeah i don't like those but um
well it's it's um it is uh it's it just it is amazing that it reminds it not reminds you it's
the complexity of this system in which we live and the idea that it's the idea that it's an accident or
or the product of just random randomness is um it becomes increasingly less likely the more you see
how how intricate it is and how amazing it is oh yeah 100 i mean look at there's also something cool
about like you just mentioned the fire ants for instance right i i find that's the i always make
this argument of sentience being just a kind of a scale of awareness of the system and i specifically
choose the word system because if you look at say what is supposed to be the benchmark of
consciousness which is humanity humanity is more than just a system right uh you're like a meat based
robot mech suit type deal that houses this weird thing that's called a nervous system that then
interfaces with your brain and the rest of the body really weird looking thing um looks like a meat
spider uh um but this thing itself you know your cooperative instance of biology you have a micro
gut biome you have a little thing that's going on in there you have like i think you're 50 50 percent
or like at least half of you is made out of bacteria which is insane you have your organs you have your
cells each each thing is like kind of independently alive somehow but it collectively serves some sort of
greater purpose that is you so like collectively you're just a you're you're a life form but you're
made up of very different life forms here so you're a system effectively right now look at ants as a
similar thing like an anthill in this case fire ants which i would say have a very very odd thing
because they have a purpose um and you look at ascensions of an anthill it's it's probably not that high
but i'd say ascension system just allows its purpose to be freely adjusted because the purpose of
ants is to like kind of reprocess biomass with at which they're effective they're very good at
um so yeah so if you look at fire ants for instance it's the same thing i've always felt that very
strange that this thing can act as a collective even though it's made up of various many different
individuals like imagine you piss off an anthill specifically one made of fire ants they all come
out in force they like start to carpet the ground around them with their soldiers and then the ground starts
turning brownish because there are that many ants that's no no no it it well it's it's amazing and
you wonder you know it's it's the the the communication is is always the the shocking
thing or at least the impressive thing where you it's i you know we'll never know i mean i i know that
they have ideas as to how it's done but yeah the coordination between thousands and the selflessness of of
any individual ant for the for the greater good of the colony is sort of um might be an analogous to
the current political environment but it is uh no it's it's it's it's it's they're very cool but
they're also a vapor if you've never been bitten by fire ants uh the reaction they cause is actually
impressively uh severe like swelling blisters and yeah it only takes a few to really ruin it
like yeah i've had these gigantic these gigantic ants in the forest once up into like a rainforest
somewhere and i saw these things running around that didn't really pay them too much you know
attention and then i was just standing there having a conversation while we're like right next to some
sort of fruit and bro's like explaining what this is and then all of a sudden i feel this insane pain
on one of my toes and i looked down it was like one of those ants i swatted it away i'm looking at it
thinking to myself am i going to die from this because this feels insanely painful it's like no
it's just a bunch of acid just walk it off you should be fine i'm like that's easy for you to say
but sure it was it wasn't the uh it wasn't the infamous bullet ant like it was the ones with the
huge pincers or was it uh what was it it wasn't a bullet out no no but if it was a bullet i would
have noticed they kind of look similar but there was just acid somehow coming out of them really weird
thing that's amazing because there was no wound there was nothing there was just a reddish spot
afterwards like a reddish kind of line-ish thing it's kind of weird to explain it like almost
like a scratch almost but there's no broken skin it felt like you were burnt yes it's burning i had
it happen too sucks yeah amazing now it's okay first of all i didn't it's 6 30 have we been have
we been talking for we've been talking for two and a half hours i believe so yes yeah this is this
true i think so well let me look at this place yeah it's true enough yeah okay that's wild and
that's amazing now i had i i'm making a barbecue in a few minutes i'm i'm saying i'm gonna go it was
only the the talk of the ants that reminded me but holy crap apples um this is okay well this is this
has been amazing yeah let me okay hold on hold on there was one last thing no uh i was looking
through the questions instead of anything else i think we got to everything from the substantive stuff
and then the metaphysical stuff uh adrian let me ask you one one let me i will we'll get into
further detail but um are you a religious person that's a really good question actually i get that
question not enough times honestly um the way i believe in religion is more like a philosophy by
which you live life and i think that the power of any divine entities kind of kind of manifests itself
through choice you know you choose your own path in life and you choose the methods by which
you will take that path as well and that would be either something that is constructive or destructive
and that's how you separate objectively what is good and bad and that's it that's really all that there
is is there potentially some sort of creative intelligence that lies at the root of the universe that
is responsible for all things that exist all around us i would say there is potentially an explanation
for that where you could come to a conclusion that's almost like what god is and that's what
the universe is you can call that like the architect of the simulation or whichever metaphor you want
to use for religion but like that in and of itself is to me what i believe to be the extent of what is
religious about me when it comes to say scripture and such i do read most of them just to kind of
understand the wisdom of the ancients so to speak because this came way before any of us and you know i'm
standing here as a result of humans having been able to maintain certain systems for millennia
um because if if that was not the case i wouldn't be here right you need stability for certain
people and civilization to exist and for certain civilizations themselves to exist right and that's
the result of why i'm here so of course you want to understand that and that's really the extent
to which i'm religious i'm not a person like actively follows one or the other although you'll find
that there are some that i would kind of fit the bill for i've tried out virtually every single
religion um been to various many churches and places of worship as a result and i think it's it's
it's an opposition to have you know it's opposition to kind of feel more of like an observer but
you practice your purpose differently so it's all by purpose for me that's how religion works
that's that's that's a that's a darn good i see i want to say like a darn good answer
so it's an essay i can't be an atheist i i cannot i just cannot be an atheist i think that's a
completely illogical thing to do it's like that that that doesn't make sense to me i can't be
i always get mixed up between atheist and agnostic agnostic a person who believes that nothing is
known or can be known of the existence of the nature of god or of anything beyond okay i think i think
so i get mixed up sometimes between agnostic and atheist but i'm i'm i'm i'm i'm increasingly
leaning not towards any specific religion but obviously something uh that the description for
god in religion might be the intelligent design if the scientists were to call it that and so we might
all agree to think of it this way like i think you are being most honest with the forces of divinity by
just simply taking a choice or like taking a course of action not because you fear or expect divine
intervention but because you simply ought to take that choice you know it's like doing good for the
sake of doing good yeah i don't do good because i have to but good because i ought to that's simply
that and that's interesting because i had that was that was one of my more recent revelations or at
least uh self-reflections is that god or god a religious god or a you know a god or no god it wouldn't
change anything in terms of what i would do because i would still be living as though there was one
so it's that and that's i mean it's a guiding principle but for those who don't believe there's
a god there would be in theory nothing holding them back from from doing evil um which is also
interesting because then you get to see whether or not it is you know it's like uh if your decisions
are truly good or evil right because i think there's one thing where you will truly understand the true
nature of a person and that is if you give them tremendous amounts of power or at least give them
something where you know their true nature can be extrapolated and that's what power usually does
and we get to see how good is this person actually because a person if they cannot do anything you
cannot say that that person is good because you just simply don't know they just can't do anything
what if they are now capable of doing many different things now you can see if they're good because
if they choose to do bad things with their ability to do things then you know that they're bad or if they
choose to do good things with the abilities that they have then you can make that judgment objectively
assess which direction that person is going to go you know and objectively defining good and good and
bad is like saying you know objectively do i help a person in need or do i say the only thing that
matters is me and everything else be damned and i would literally sell everything in the purpose of
my own gain you know that's like that's that i think is uh an objective difference between different
types of people right the people who are exploitative and the people who like to you know do good things
right now that that is a very interesting idea that good and evil requires the power to either do
good or evil and that he or she who's incapable of doing anything could never be either good or evil
exactly yeah it's it's it's like oh this person is so innocent they could never do bad it's like
the question of innocence is their inability to do things if you give them ability to do things now you
will see soon whether or not this person is good or bad this is like where merits comes into play
like an idea means nothing until it's put into practice ideas are cheap execution is everything
so it's just like with prototypes of various technologies that you may have seen like you
see supercars and all this kind of stuff where you say okay this is going to be the next big thing
but then they actually try to put it into production it doesn't work right like that's that's the value
of an idea that's the value of merit if you don't have any merits to anything that you've said
because it simply does not function when placed into real scenarios then you don't know what the
fuck you're talking about for instance that's like one of the and the same thing happens for like
the assert assertion that a person is good or bad because you know you have no merit to come along with
that assertion right because you've never given them any power and the same thing also come uh applies
to this saying that i vehemently disagree with and that is that all power corrupts absolutely i i find that
is completely false um if that were so the people in power a lot of people in power who are actually doing
various good things like say for instance yellow mask and various other individuals who themselves are a good
community leaders um you know they don't they don't strike me as evil they strike me as people who
try to do the very best they can for humanity um so you know take that into consideration it is more
like that you know the the that the power attracts the easily corruptible right and that is why this meme
if you want to call it often manifests where people say here this person is at power they are now corrupt
it's like they are not corrupt because of power they are already they always have been corrupt
because and this is the same thing for every other person i've found is that when you gain abilities
it's just the enhancement of what's already there and you will find that if you extrapolate yourself
through the ability to do things you will find that there are things about your personality and about
who you are that you didn't initially see before even the bad parts too more so the bad parts they're like
the small underlying thing there that define some actions that you take when morality is off the
table right and that's that i think is really interesting about power i am going to absorb that
and digest that uh over the over the next couple hours that's uh the i i everyone's repeated the trope
absolute power corrupts absolutely and i i think you've i think i'm inclined to agree with you
i don't know yeah it's like i mean look everybody gets power at some point you have power for sure
you know yeah you have the ability to shift things in the information space you don't strike me as
someone who's evil right do you think power has corrupted you like i don't see that that's because
that's why i think deep down i i fear a form of a god that would punish me for being bad or at least
punish me on earth i this is that's the other thing it's like i don't think i need to wait for an
afterlife for punishment i i'm convinced that people who act badly make hell on earth for themselves
and so that that would be the when i say like you know that basically right karma or or just yeah
karma or reality i mean there's a i don't think i think a lot of people who behave badly successfully
make them make make hell for themselves on earth and um and don't they don't have to wait for the
afterlife like even the people who we say i hope they get their comeuppance after they die or
they're many of them are already living in a in a self-made hell here on earth it's a literal
expression of uh you you dig your own grave or like you know you're taking your car out for a ride and
you accidentally happen to get into a muddy terrain and then you keep speeding up not realizing you should
just get out of the car grab a few sticks kind of put them there in the path of where the tire is and
then slowly start making your way out right instead of digging your well your way deeper into the problem
that you create much like the uh convoluted uh web of lies that people make when they deceive you
know there's this beautiful saying you know when we first practice to deceive what is that what is
that oh what a tangled web we weave when we first practice to deceive yeah yeah
yeah no no no question now now agent i uh we're gonna have to either do a part two or we're gonna do
a part two but i just got the uh i got the ding that i gotta start the barbecue i'm gonna say yeah
yeah i mean anytime like whatever you want to have a conversation just like let me know it's uh
either at 9 p.m or like we can schedule something early like 9 p.m is too late for me i'm yeah yeah
i know i know but yeah no no that's fine we will do a part two and i'm gonna tell i'm gonna show you
a picture of what we're barbecuing tonight so i'll amazing amazing oh and by the way if you want to
bring anyone else that you may know or that could have a really good conversation with us as well on a
stage like what we did today um bring them along and you know maybe that this could become an
interesting show every now and then it's a thousand percent absolutely i mean it's uh and i
can think of uh easily a dozen people offhand that that would be great guests epic man well thanks
for coming this conversation was epic i didn't think it was going to go on for that long i'm
actually glad that we kind of moved away from the initial subject because now we've got to explore
some really deep things which i think there's a lot more left to explore that absolutely and for
i've got a hyperactive bladder and i know that i now that i haven't peed in two and a half hours
that's it's not quite the personal best but i'm getting close to a bb
your coincidence i'm gonna fry some steak as well uh yeah awesome stuff all right awesome so we'll be
in touch and uh let's do we'll do it again thank you very much for exactly anytime man oh yeah thank
thank you thank you thank you for coming it was epic thank you have a good one
