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THE DAILY ALPHA♻️
Recorded: April 12, 2025 Duration: 1:34:52Space Recording
Short Summary
In a lively discussion, crypto enthusiasts explored the recent surge in meme coins, the Fed's monetary policy shifts, and the importance of education in trading. Key insights included the impact of influential traders on market sentiment and the need for a more informed and supportive community to foster growth in the crypto ecosystem.
Full Transcription
Thank you. What's up what's up guys welcome back
happy saturday last show of the week we appreciate you guys stopping by
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appreciate you guys.
We're going to kick it off.
It's a great, great, great weekend.
We had a lot of stuff develop after the show.
It kind of makes people more bullish than we were yesterday.
So I'm happy.
You're happy.
We're all happy.
We're at $84, $85K.
And meme coins are ripping.
Everything's ripping.
We got a meme war going on between China and Trump
We got the Fed capitulating
Saying that they'll stabilize the market
And buy bonds if they need to
So we got everything kind of coming together
And I hope you didn't sell the bottom
I hope you didn't sell the bottom
How are we doing this morning, Chief?
Feeling good? I'm feeling good
One of those good weekends
Where everything's kind of falling in line, man.
Yeah, man. I mean, can't complain.
Same old, same old. We know it wouldn't last forever.
You know what I'm saying? It was just about surviving.
So just good to see that we're having a little bit of upside now.
It's not necessarily a V-shape recovery, but we're on pass and in line for it.
So curious to see how this plays out.
See if Cheeto throws us off track somehow.
But we'll see if not.
It's looking like this might have been a short-term kind of...
That was the bottom, right?
The local bottom.
So, we'll see if we can ride this out and then into these rate cuts.
And then that's when we really see if we get that actual sustainable pump or not you know yeah i mean yesterday we
were kind of talking about how the 10-year bonds were kind of raising after they lowered and we
were kind of talking about you know possibly china retaliating and throwing some of their debt that
they have of ours and selling it and making you, interest rates on the 10-year bonds raise.
And after the show, you had Jerome Powell, and I guess the Fed come out,
I don't know if it was Jerome Powell exactly, he was saying,
if we need to stabilize the market, we will.
And in the past, during the COVID dip, the Fed basically printed a bunch of money and bought everything.
I don't think they're in that kind of thing.
I think that was a direct response to the raising interest rates to the 10-year yield.
And I think if this kind of continues to go up to 5%, 6%, 7%,
I think that they are kind of telling you guys like,
hey, we'll make sure that we'll buy it up,
and we'll buy anything that's kind of bleeding,
and we'll make sure the market's safe.
And I think that's all really the markets need to hear, the fact that there is a backstop there if shit does get wild and that the Fed's there to
kind of help with any kind of pain. So I think that gave a little confidence yesterday in the market.
And then I don't know what really happened this morning. What happened this morning?
Was it the tariffs for China chips, computers kind of got eliminated so I know a lot
of people are kind of frustrated with like the iPhones and all the chips that
are coming from China that we rely on for AI that they're gonna be more
expensive than ever and I think this morning they excluded computers and
phones and that stuff from the tariff from China and I think that kind of made
people a little more bullish and kind of priced in.
Maybe there's a deal right around the corner.
So I think that was kind of what people were kind of talking about last night.
I do have.
I didn't even see that, that that happened about the chips and stuff.
I mean, we knew and that's kind of what I mentioned a couple of weeks ago,
that there's going to be certain items that, you know, like medicine,
stuff like that, that are considered i guess essentials right and that they wouldn't
impose you know max tariff on or anything like that so i mean i just didn't know i mean you
you think that the computer side of this right the chips and stuff granted that's the the number
one industry over there primarily you'd think that that would
be you know definitely tariffed and taxed and stuff because that's a leveraging tool that they
have you know so it's interesting that they went that route here's some just some information on
it so um it was breaking the u.s published reciprocal tariff exclusion for computers
smartphones chip making equipment just like uh just just like that big tech is back.
So let's put a tariff exemption into perspective. The U.S. imports approximately 100 billion
of computers, smartphones, and chip making equipment for China per year. A total of 439
billion of goods were imported from China into U.S. in 2024. That means negative 23% of all Chinese imports
coming to the US is now exempt from reciprocal tariffs.
This is a massive U-turn in the tariff policy.
And then you also have another post here from FFA
say the Fed comment plus tariff exemption
on chips, phones, and computers
will probably make the bottom.
We need to properly daily close above 84.8 B btc today but if that happens it's most likely
game on so i know that we're kind of talking about we need to get above like 83k and uh kind of broke
that and then now it looks like if this is gonna remain true and we're in upwards momentum we need
to hold 84.8 uh today to kind of uh solidify this uptrend. So kind of bullish. I mean, the past few Sundays have been pretty brutal.
So I know that everybody kind of sells on Sunday,
waiting for like pre-markets for Wall Street to open.
And there's gaps that kind of get open and shit.
And people start capitulating late Sunday night.
So we'll kind of see if this maybe is momentum.
And I know Trump has been saying
there's possibly a deal in the makings.
And these deals typically get made during the weekends and in favor of retail. And if we do get a deal
Saturday or Sunday with China of coming to some agreement and then the stock market opens,
you better believe it's probably going to rip. So I guess we're going to see what happens this
weekend and see if this kind of easing kind of builds momentum in the stock market and kind of creates a relief market and the stock market pumps on Monday,
which I think possibly will happen.
We'll see what happens tomorrow.
But if that happens, then we have like a bit more momentum on our side,
and then we can maybe see if we can break some more resistance.
So just some good news overall.
I feel like that was pretty good news and, I don't know, pretty excited.
I mean, a lot of fear in the past two weeks,
a lot of people quitting, a lot of capitulation,
a lot of people asking like, what are we going to do next?
Do I have to go back to my nine to five?
To kind of see this all play out
and kind of get a glimpse of what's going to happen
makes me kind of bullish of staying around
and continue to build
and we're not going to go into this $50,000 Bitcoin, hopefully.
And we could continue and sustain this bull market,
which we've all kind of been waiting for for the past three years.
So the thing is like 50K Bitcoin ain't bad, bro.
None of that shit's actually bad.
It's just the fact that people are scared of if we're going to go
or if we're not going to go, right?
I mean, ideally, ranging in this accumulation zone is only going to lead to a more solidified and better foundation
breakout, right? And so that's the thing. It's not something that we should be scared of. It's
just the downside of going to the 50s or these big capitulations is that people stop like producing people stop
talking about what they're doing people stop showing up right and then at the end of the day
then it makes 50 seem bad right when in reality 50k ain't bad 60k ain't bad right being in that 67
range so it's like it's not ideal but it's also not completely invalidated the quote-unquote bull run.
As long as we're above 69, bro, we're chilling in this range, we can keep going up and down.
Do you remember when Andrew King basically put that long out on Hyperliquid earlier this week?
That big long, that $4 million long he put out?
I don't know who it is. I mean, I know that there's the Hyperliquid.
There's like some guy that's been doing that. Yeah did a one and a bitcoin one earlier he did it like three three or
four hours right before trump announced the delay of the 90 uh the 90 day tariffs or whatever and
then it shot up to 83k um arkham's basically tracking it on chain so andrew kang put a hundred
million dollar btc long and has bought uh has brought his account up to $8.6 million from $2.5 million after the Fed suggests they may be willing to stabilize the market.
Kang is now $6 million on the table on this trade alone.
So just trying to update you guys just on that trade alone.
Who's king?
Who's Kang?
He's just a big influencer.
He's typically a top buyer.
He's typically a top buyer.
I know that the Hyperliquid guy
has been fucking...
Like I said, he's just been inside trading forever.
A lot of the times,
I was going to do more of a controlled experiment,
but I've opened up some small positions
just following this guy into trades.
I think he's like
four for five
out of winning right and so even then and i think the one that he lost it was just like
if you had a big enough margin zone uh you wouldn't even have got licked out right they
just went hunting for his ass but he ended up still winning out so not to say that we can
continuously follow this guy because we saw what happens when that occurs, too.
Right. The trader did that fuck shit about pulling the liquidity and then, you know, defaulting more or less and making hyper liquid close it.
But in a sense, I don't know who's doing that.
But the dude that's doing mass leverage, if it's this Kang guy, dude, you can basically follow that when you get those tweets, a $400 million ETH long, like go put $100, $50, right?
20X long, 10X long, whatever you're comfortable with.
And you can kind of follow that down, and it's been decent profits so far.
100%, yeah.
I mean, the sentiment around him is he typically is buying tops.
So when I saw it, I'm like, oh, great, we're at 76K.
This guy's putting a long out.
We're probably going to 50K.
So I didn't follow him just because of kind of his, uh, his reputation
in the space is kind of top buying, but, uh, I invited TJ up and obviously TJ, um, is someone
that's part of the six one eight crew that we're, you know, we're, we're members of, and, you know,
we talk about TJ in the background all the time of how, you know, your goat and your team's
fucking crazy with the charts and everything you guys doing the discord's crazy. And I've had notifications on for you for over a year. And it's obviously a
cheat code. And you've been killing the market recently, bro. Just calling short squeezes,
bottoms. And I just wanted to get you up here, man. And let people know that if you're not
following this guy, please follow this guy. If you don't have notifications on for this guy,
please put notifications on. But I just wanted to get what you're kind of looking at the market,
man. You're spot on on you're calling pretty much everything
to the t just wanted to you know say what's up but also just have a new voice up here to kind of get
your perspective where where we're looking man where we're going and where you see the market
going in the in the near future man so thanks for coming by tj i know that you're busy and
and uh yeah man how you doing no worries manene appreciate that uh shout out no love bro i just
um been putting a lot of work into getting good at learning the markets and uh yeah it just takes
a lot of energy so that's usually i'm i'm off in the shadows doing this shit um having to stick to
pay attention all this data and stuff but but yeah, I think what you kind of what you talked about in the beginning
is kind of what I'm looking at right now with waiting for CME to come back
because usually you can play those gaps pretty well to give a good advantage,
you know, for, like, short, long bias, at least to start the week.
you know, for like short long bias, at least to start the week. So, um, we just hit like every
week, um, basically like price will always kind of like want to like do like mean reversion type
of shit. And I follow, um, like value area trading. I helped that helps with me, um,
able to like determine like where actually we need to, a to to hit in order to like visit the value
so we just hit our weekly rotation here but uh it's not really looking bears at this level yet so
we're probably going to go do the monthly and that's like up at like 92k but if if we hit that
resistance is 92 K pretty much resistance
We break through that is kind of like we're good to go for here on out
Is that what everybody's kind of looking at is 92 K right now?
That that's where like that's where a lot of the liquidity is at that I'm looking at like on the heat map
I can see it
Like when you look back on like the higher timeframes
So that's why I think it's gonna be a key level depending on how we interact with it you know do we blast straight through it and then do we like
hold above it do we is it a quick wick like a liquidity grab and then we tuck
back underneath and spend time below it like that that sort of thing it's kind
of gonna tell you if we're gonna have a chance of like continuation or not
when you're looking at the chart is it are you just looking at Bitcoin in tell you if we're going to have a chance of like continuation or not.
When you're looking at the chart, is it, are you just looking at Bitcoin in general? And are you looking at other coins or other coins kind of just mirroring what Bitcoin's doing right now?
Anytime it breaks resistance and you see God candles on the other coins, is that where you're
just looking at Bitcoin and then making moves? Or is there any other coins that are kind of
making, making some like bullish moves? You know, you can't really see it, but you can kind of making making some like bullish moves you know you can't really see it
but you can kind of see it on the charts what you look at i'm just kind of like are you just
looking at bitcoin or is there some other coins that you possibly are like scouting that looks
like potential for a breakout also just when i can get your view on like if there's any other
coins that you're looking at dude i track shit coins all the time. I track the biggest one called the fucking S&P 500.
So that's usually like the main one, the main thing that I follow that kind of guides the direction of risk on market direction, in my opinion.
And then once you're, because, you know, like Bitcoin is going to follow S and P, you know, mostly or most of the time. So if you can find out what S and P is doing, then you can find out what Bitcoin's doing.
So then I can trade soul and a lot easier if I know what Bitcoin's doing. So it really just
depends like how much in the weeds you want to get to be like, you know, have like a good idea
to be accurate. Chief, you got any questions for TJ while he's up here? I know that, you know, have like a good idea be accurate
Chief you got any questions for TJ while he's up here I know that you know, we talk about him all the time his charts are are deadly accurate
So you have any any kind of topics you want to touch on him while he's up here, man
I know he's kind of short on time. So I just want to throw it to you real quick
No, I mean, I think a lot with this kind of stuff
It's more so you need to be able to visualize a lot of this stuff so you can see and learn right i mean it's hard to sit here and talk patterns and try to actually learn and
valueize i mean we can get his opinion but to learn which is the biggest asset in my opinion
that you can do from these guys right from a lot of the leverage lab guys is learn like for you to
be able to do it yourself because i mean he can tell you today what the chart looks like.
The chart will be different within 30 minutes.
And so ultimately get Noti's on if you can follow him.
If you can follow AD and just honestly invest in yourself.
So, I mean, that's the biggest thing about this is that he can give us direction
and more or less give us a call,
but that's not the real sauce you want right you
want to be able to understand this stuff for yourself or at least have a basis to start
making your own decisions and your own inferences yes sir that's what they've always done well man
go ahead tj i would say yeah that's i mean i was an instructor in the military for um you know
eight eight to the eleven years i was in so as like teaching is
just like built into me so i and it's also like when when you're talking to people and then they
understand what you're talking about without having to talk at like a fifth grade level every single
time it's you know it just makes it easier for other people hey to see shit hey you know what
about this rotation on like on like ether
some shit that i'm not looking at um so then i'll be able to like you know confidently rely on that
information type of thing so just everyone once everyone's on the same page it kind of makes it
easier yeah it's like to also understand like i said like i mean the the terminology and this kind
of stuff it's really investing in yourself, right?
I mean, that was one of those things that I put on my goals for this year is to pick up or perfect a new skill, whether that be in Web3 or not.
Right. And this is one of those things that we're not sitting here dependent for whitelist.
You're not sitting here dependent on an airdrop or potential.
Is it worth something? Is it vaporware? Is it not? Right? I mean, you want to
talk, you can make money when it goes down, you can make money when it goes up, right? And you
can understand how to manage your risk better in the process of all of that. So it's like, it's a
different type of skill. That one that like you said, you want to sit here and say, hey, what does
this look like to you? Okay, well, this is the timeframe frame I'm looking at and I see X, Y, Z.
So it's really about being able to have that resource and almost a tribe access to really learn this skill.
So appreciate you sliding through, man.
And it's one of those things, like I said, I'm trying to slowly learn more and more and just being able to see it on the timeline and try to google myself some of those
terms and stuff like that really help so appreciate you sliding by and yeah i mean i'm excited for when
you do come out or if you end up launching that uh ai bot right like i said i think a lot of people
have these idea or ta shit that they learn themselves right through oh look up this pattern
doesn't it look like that and you're like
oh yeah it does and and you start picking up these bad habits of uh not bad habits but just oh well
this is where i draw my line well that's not really how it works i mean you you the line starts here
not where you want it to kind of thing right so just the ability to start from zero and uh set
up with some type of foundation i think is definitely a valuable skill.
And I'm interested. I'm pretty sure more people will be too.
What up, Andy?
What up, Andy?
What's up, Dad? See, Dad's up here now.
That's Daddy. We call him Dad.
What up, Dad?
Fuck it, because I'm old, dude.
No, Chief, I wanted to say...
I like the same. No chief. I wanted to say this is like the same
Yeah, I know it fuck it but she's not thanks for it because you know what it takes a lot of maturity to like when you read
These markets I post a bunch of fucking means on the timeline, right?
But when people like develop their own strategy and stuff, it's like maturity is like I gotta stick to this
The shit like these guys are all talking about something but you develop your own strategy like last night we were in the discord for like an hour saying learn how to spot the m's and w's
right and we throw out a bunch of shit so that way people can figure out on their own what works for
them but yeah there's a big sense of maturity when it comes to trying to make money here and yeah I
just pointed it out what's your strategy what do we plan to do with X amount of money? Do I want to make 10%? Do I want to make 30%?
Or do I want to make 5,000%?
So you know your risk level.
So it all depends how you look at the market.
And I mean, we've been doing it.
I don't post a lot on the timeline anymore,
but yeah, on the Discord, dude, we chop it up.
And it's usually an open mic.
You got something, talk about it.
Oh, you guys have been killing it, obviously obviously i thought that you were in telegram i said i still on the telegram i guess you guys are in discord
too i'm getting inside the discord if you guys are doing live open mics bro i'm gonna go in there
with some bull bullshitt ass questions um so i have to get in there uh how are we doing ad i
haven't talked to you in a while bro like how how are you feeling about the market we asked tj i guess you guys kind of look at the same charts and probably have the same rules and
discipline manners are you kind of looking at the same thing he's looking at man i would say this
there's a lot of times where um tj has got what he's got going on and i got going on what i got
going on and when they line up i'm like oh, Voltron's coming together, right? So, like, yeah, we all have each of our perspectives.
He doesn't trade like me.
I don't trade like him.
And even though it's based on a lot of the same principles with, like,
Fibonacci scales and, like, retracements, dude, we each have our own strategy.
And that's kind of something that I talk about with people.
It's like, dude, it's all a game.
It's just how you play it and whatever works for you i ain't
gonna talk about you if you use something a different way but yeah we still think that
there's some downside and sometimes people want to like you know what's funny about the space
is that the attention goes to people that are super convicted we're going down i don't
care what you guys say we're going down that's the that's the attention that we get
oh we're going up from here it's all fucking all higher but i'm like dog if this happens this is
probably gonna happen if that happens this is probably gonna happen and more often than not
it happens so right now i still think there's downside yeah i still think there's downside
i'm not super convicted because I don't fucking know.
If I knew, I'd tell you, right?
But I still think there's downside.
Yeah, I think this move up here is capture as much as you can of it,
but also be prepared.
If we hit that 69K area, 70K area, I know it's fucking taboo to say that,
but that's where you want to fucking ape.
If you get down there, risk and reward, that's where you fucking sell your car and fucking buy coins, dude.
So, never mind.
I don't want to say that because fucking some fuckers will do that shit.
But, yeah, I'm selling a car.
So, if we get 69K, I already made the fuck.
I already made the fuck. I'm having a kid soon,
I'm having a kid soon, so I only need one car.
so I only need one car.
Bro, I was just
about to put out
a post of us
literally dropping from right here, 85
to down to
66k this month
and then back up.
Is it just in the chart or is there going to have
to be more macro bullshit, like more Trump tweets? I could see it in the chart or is there gonna have to be more macro bullshit like more Trump?
Yeah, I mean I could see it in the chart. Well, yeah, that's what I was about to say
That's what I told you earlier about the the channels that I mean, yeah, we're sitting here bullish
But as long as we don't lose that like we're good everything else may look like it's hell
But as long as we don't lose that range, bro, that 67 ish right above it. We're good
Yeah, and it's one of those things that like everybody's looking for a reason right why the fuck is the monk market dumping oh it's trump
oh it's china bro i'll be honest with you tj uh he's been saying that shit was gonna come down
a long time probably before that fucker became president so you know what i mean it's like it's in the
charts but there's sometimes reasons for like there's reasons that aggravate the price action
so yeah i guess it's like you could find a narrative you know for anything pretty much
what you're saying here uh like have we ever gone back to a previous all-time high after having though
i thought we've we've never like revisited previous all-time high after having though i thought we've we've never like
revisited previous all-time highs after we've kind of broke out of it so wouldn't it be like
a different dynamic this cycle to kind of go back and hit 69k when we've never done that in this in
any cycle before wouldn't that be like totally different than when we ever seen and it's like
this cycle's already been weird as fuck so i'm thinking like we're not it's not a four-year cycle
anymore i feel like i think it was we it's kind of over with i think that having the way it
works is on four-year cycles but i mean as much as people like saying it's different this time
well it kind of is different this time so that in that regard that you made your all-time high
before the having so there's all over the place and you gotta remember now you got fidelity offering people bitcoin buying in their iras right we didn't have that shit before so
there's different dynamics in the market which you know we kind of chop it up for like legit
every day in the discord so yeah we even talk about geography dude i'll put on a map and say
hey dude this place is getting bombed dude it's funny we put on a map and say hey dude, this place is getting bombed
It's funny. We put on a fucking map look Yemen's getting bombed China's right here Russia's right here This is all the shit that's going on right now
So we kind of do we try to do the current events and do you guys know I ain't trying to sell you guys shit
Come through let's learn. Let's make money. That's all I care about
You have the most people didn't pay
Sorry care about if you have the nfc most people didn't pay that's why i focus on the charts yeah if you focus on the charts too the news don't matter all news does is accelerates the
math in my opinion it just it gets you to your levels quicker dude so people trying to
um like gas oh is this news gonna pump the market if it's bullish or if it's bearish or if it's uh
you know on this day or on that day.
You're just
fighting with yourself at that point.
That's why I just
focus on this shit, dude. It's been screaming
since the summer. Back down to
74 or 70k.
I was going to say, TJ,
one of my favorite things with you is
just fucking tell me already because I fucking I pedal because I'm like, hey, like the news is this.
Even though I don't give a fuck about it, I'm like, people want to hear the cause.
So I kind of remember my background psychology.
So I'm like, well, people want to hear this shit.
How do I get them to fucking go in the right direction?
TJ's like, just fucking tell me.
And I'm like okay okay okay
but it's a dynamic right it's it's the way it works like it's it's just it's a cool
fucking dynamic so there you go it's like confirmation bias people are long or people
are short and they'll just go around the timeline trying to find people that agree with their
opinions so it's like this space is crazy and this market's crazy. And it's like, I really think
it's about discipline and about rules and like TJ, you know, thank you for your service. I didn't
know you're in the military, but I imagine your military experience probably helps you with your
discipline and your, in your rules and stuff. So it's about, you know, understanding yourself,
but also, you know, just not going free Willy out there, having a group around you and finding out
rules to kind of protect yourself from downside and also upside. So like taking profit, like for me, take your
profit. If you know, if there's a two X, take a little bit off the table, never reenter a trade
twice. Those are some of my rules. I don't know if you have any kind of like newbie beginner,
like rules that you kind of, you go by. I know I don't want to try to steal all the sauce, but
those are kind of some things I kind of look at. there any kind of if you're like talking to a beginner is there
a few kind of tips you would give somebody um to kind of perfect their skill a little bit better
other than you know obviously buying a 618 and get inside the discord can you get any advice
anybody listening yeah plan your trade and so that includes your your entry like your stop loss your invalidation so like hey if
it goes below this you know i'm out or i'm cutting half or whatever and then you stick to it
that's probably like the easiest thing to do like when you're new and don't be afraid to like
cut a losing trade i would almost say that's probably the hot one of the harder things to do
not easier because it's like at times you plan a trade and it goes better than expected and then you're lost like fuck i didn't expect it to do
this well what do i do what do i do right and then it's like fuck do i take it off do i not
and then the opposite and i mean i'm just speaking out of experience right i've ultimately had to
lose a lot of money and said like hey if i go red uh%, I'm going to cut my losses no matter what, right? Whether or not
it starts turning around or whatever, and then I'm going to just wait for reentry on a new position.
Because it's like, you can set these rules, or I had rules where, no, no, no, I can do it at 30.
And then 30% comes by, right? You're at negative 30. And you're like, dude, this looks like it's
about to rip. Like, I know I said 30, but I'm going to just sit it out. And so I think as time goes by,
you become less attached to the potential. And you've been down this road in a sense before.
And even if there is potential, you know that your potential is not necessarily dependent on
anyone else. It's dependent on the market. So there'll be another opportunity seconds after. So that's kind of how I've had to police myself
because in the beginning, there was a lot harder. Like, hey, I'm going to set a stop loss. I'm
going to do X, Y, Z. And then pride gets into it. And then yourself, I know what it's about to do.
It's finally about to do what I thought it was going to do when we started
this trade. I was just early. Oh, I was just a couple seconds late, right? And so it's that.
I feel like that, to me, was my biggest issue and has been and kind of managing. It's okay to take
the L, but you don't have to lose it all, right? And just figuring out what works for my bankroll,
honestly, because that's really what it comes down to, too. It's the size of money you have, because what works for AD, what works for,
you know what I'm saying, everyone else, right? Poco, Jocks, and just anyone isn't what works for
me, isn't the same kind of entry or risk that you're comfortable with. So I would almost just
echo that. But personally, it was harder in the beginning to stick to rules than it was after I lost a lot of money.
And then I'm like, you know, if I don't have rules, then I'm going to keep losing a lot of money.
That's the first thing you tell people, because we've all done that from experience, right?
Like we don't want them to make the same mistakes.
But a real quick thing for that percentage thing, because a lot of people, especially new trade like that, oh, if I go down 30%, I'm going to cut it.
Instead of that, make your invalidation somewhere on the chart, not your P&L.
So if you get in on a pullback, your stop loss should be at a lower low so you need to then then you know determine hey if i use
x amount of leverage it's going to be you know this percent of a loss am i comfortable and then
tj that then that requires knowing and understanding what you're doing rather than just
gambling on if it goes up or down and then you're you're determining on hey i can't let it go down
anymore because i'm losing too much money and you're right like that key point is what you made the difference that i can see between oh i understand what i'm
doing so i'm taking a risk or i think i know what i'm doing and i think i know what's going to
happen so i'm worth i'm gonna take a gamble like i think that that's the biggest difference in this
which i mean i'm still very much in the taking a gamble
side with a little bit of understanding the risk part, right? But more so looking at the P&L,
like 20% loss, no, I'm going to cut it because I can make more money here. Even though if you,
like you said, I could potentially just look at the chart and be like, yo, maybe if I suffer a 31%
loss, that's the box I need to tap for the the reversal and I don't have to cut it right now
But I don't know that right and I think that that's the actual skill that we're trying to learn or I am
What's up, baby you got your hand up
Oh one thing I was gonna say maybe it's easy, maybe it's not.
You guys know I'm unapologetic when it comes to things.
If I think something's dog shit, I'm going to say it.
Like Magic Eden token looks like fucking death, right?
Pengu looks like fucking death.
I said, hey, dude, I bet you anything if you park fucking money up here,
down here, and just wait, sit on it you're gonna do good dude look
how much it's up right and i did that i don't just say it and fucking tell you guys dude those things
look like death buy them learn how to sit on money and then when you do your 2x 30 40 get rid of it
because like i said i'm unapologetic if you like solana don't fucking care if you like fucking ethereum don't
fucking care you like fucking ordinals don't fucking care make money that's what we're here
for dude do you like runes i'm just joking bro i fucking love runes and staking dude
i love how that's the fucking meme dude everyone. Everyone's like, runes are pumping.
And I pulled the daily chart.
I'm like, damn, we're still down 99%. You guys are chilling.
You guys are chilling still.
I'm down horrible.
And you said, like, the rune market come back, you're going to need Hercules.
I don't think Slingshot's going to do it.
I don't know, man.
It was fucking nuts.
You know what, though?
Same idea.
If you know how to park some money and just fucking hold it there, you might do, you know, you might get that pump.
But just, you know, I don't know how sustainable that pump is going to be. You know what I mean?
I mean, look at the charts. Never sustainable. What up, Liz? Thanks for stopping by. How are you doing this morning?
I am super excited about the conversation you guys are having, because as of recent, it's something that I've really gone into. It took me a while to understand technical analysis and, you know, kind of blend
that in with fundamental in the news. But thank you guys just so much for doing that, talking about
the reversals, getting out, not over leveraging, because sometimes it's not even about what the
market's going to do, but you over and under leverage. So you fuck yourself in that situation
too. Yeah, I just kind of want to participate
in this if i can add value i'll start interjecting it in it but um i figured i'd be better up here
as speaker than as a listener as i'm really enjoying this oh that's i love to learn and
these are kind of things that i'm kind of new to and i hate to be the smartest person in the room
all the time so as i hit tj up and obviously ad come up here and these people are way smarter than me and i just like i think it would be bring value to the space just hearing
them and people that haven't traded like us to kind of hear them and you know if you want to
learn you know they do have a pass that you guys can buy and they're in the discord all the time
to learn there's plenty of people in the tda community that have done exactly what uh they've
told them and came out on top and are in the space listening to now and can basically give you a review of everything that they do.
So, like, just real quick, real quick.
The Discord is not gated.
It's the Telegram where we have a bunch of, like, learning material.
So Discord, it's a free game.
You show up, it's open mic every day.
Five, what is it, six o'clock Pacific, you show up there.
It's not gated.
There you go, Liz. there's resources there for you and that's why i brought them on to get everybody
to put notifications on these guys use them as a resource and then they have tons of value that
they bring to that you know they have a free uh access but they also have a pass too that can get
a little more you know detailed so yeah liz i you know that's why i brought them on dude i was like
these guys are way smart they bring value let's talk to them and let's inform people like what's going on so
it's crazy this is it's a great it's a great sunday man or it's great saturday i'm having
a great i'm having fun just like learning this stuff so go ahead chief oh no nothing to say i
mean i'm just i've been following and i've given out tj as a resource a bajillion times so same thing AD just doesn't do public calls and that much but
in a sense like I don't know it's been a source for me to base some of my
information off of anyway so the the key to all of this though
it's not having these people to tell you what to do bro it's you
learning how to do this shit your own when I tell you that this isn't
dependent on me, you,
Jimmy June giving you a whitelist, what VC got funded in what fucking vapor world,
none of that matters here, right? It could literally be you making your money for the
rest of time, if you'd like, in your own island, in your own world, right? Once you start learning
some of these tools that depend on the
market itself, that's it. As long as the market's alive, these people that have these tools will be
able to trade anything with them, right? And so that's the main reason why I'm so adamant about
learning stuff like this is because it's not dependent on X or I or anything like that. It's
a new skill that you learn that you can then take with you forever, everywhere.
So yeah, just wanted to make sure that that's kind of the reason behind it, right?
Don't just go in there and say, hey, do I buy now?
Do I long?
Ultimately, they might help you and they'll tell you.
But what good is that when they're not available and you want to do that or you want to make
these moves?
That's exactly, I was just, sorry. That's exactly like how I put it too, man.
That I would, I've,
I've shifted away from fucking buying NFTs and discord grinding and all that
bullshit, dude. And just started focusing on the charts.
Cause it's really just me versus the market. And it's,
you don't have to worry about a founder jumping on you or have to rely
on somebody making a call
for you or to help you out, dude.
The work you put in,
you're going to benefit from it.
My page, especially,
I was joking around saying you need
to use your brain to take full advantage
of my account, but that's 100%
the truth.
I'm not going to... I think you said earlier chief about looking shit up yourself um like terms and stuff like that like dude the more you do that shit the the more you're gonna
easier you're gonna be understanding what i'm talking about on that note like your account's
private right now i mean i have access to it Doesn't mean that I was able to pull the
trades that you were able to, that you publicly called out in the last week. And it's not like
you fucking wrote it in a different language. No, I mean, you literally wrote it all out
and I had access to that information. I just didn't know how to take that information,
apply it to what I need to do and and then take advantage or monetize it.
So once again, it's all of it combined. It's not just the access, right? I mean,
because I can sit here and then I could, TJ, what do I do? TJ, what do I do? But what good is that?
He's not sitting here trying to fucking be a caller. No, he's saying, hey, this is what the
market looks like. This is what it is. It could potentially go X or Y or this is the move that I'm considering. So it's just that kind of stuff
that I just want to reiterate to people. It's not just being accepted to follow. It's yeah,
that might help. And yeah, when when he's talking and he's doing some type of bullish bullshit,
I might, you know, open a long or something not knowing what I'm doing. But he looks like he's
bullish. So I'm gonna be bullish, too. But I mean, that's what's happening. I don't know what I'm doing, but he looks like he's bullish. So I'm gonna be bullish too. But I mean, that's
what's happening. I don't know what I'm doing. I see him being bullish, pointing the little arrow
upwards and we're just riding upwards. Right. But ultimately you want to get past just that point,
because if he didn't put an arrow up, what good does that do? So it's, it's doing more
with the info. We're kind of repeating ourselves here like three or four times.
Appreciate TJ for coming by.
Put notifications on.
618 as a resource for you guys.
I know you got to go, TJ.
Appreciate you, man.
Love you.
Thanks for stopping by, man.
What up, Lord?
What up, brother?
How are you doing?
Appreciate you, brother.
What up, Lord?
How you doing, brother?
Hey, Jay.
I'm doing great, bro.
Good conversation.
Yeah, I'm not going to lie.
Like 100%, you can't rely on other people right like uh you need to fucking have your own conviction
and like kind of like pay attention and study bro like uh like the rune shit right like
everybody if you listen to anybody you're not gonna buy any runes at the bottom basically
is what just happened uh and now like yeah i don't think slingshot is the answer for
runes specifically i don't think that's what's going to send it but like if you believe in a
narrative like and you want to like dca in and you think it's a bottom nobody's going to tell
you that you're right uh that part right like any play that i've made that i've bought something
that was like dead and everybody is like just fighting it those are the best plays that i've
ever made i'm not gonna lie and like that takes you kind of like studying and just like having your own conviction so that's one thing that
i'll just say in a big way like everybody's gonna fudge you out of your bags or try to so you gotta
not listen to that the risk bro it's the risk aspect of it right traditionally speaking whenever
you feel 100 comfortable the margins have uh tremendously shrunk, right? Because if you get
to the point where, yeah, I'm okay with this trade, then that means that a million other people feel
the exact same way. And the chances of you actually capitalizing on something based off of
you taking a risk or it being new or novel are gone, right? I mean, we saw that literally with
that the Ponzi from yesterday bro so many people got
cooked on that big shit buying big at 13 a token and fomo and this and that and just chasing and
you're like dude that's that's crazy work right because now like you don't even know what you're
doing anymore you're blindly following people but that's your money on the line so i don't know
that that's the best example talking about it bro and they're talking about oh i'm making this much
a day that much day this much a day you missed it bro um you did so like any anything that i've
bought that has gone up nobody was really talking about it and if they were they were fighting it
and the people that made that much a day right just so you can be real and be honest
with you are the people that ate two or three eth with that shit was at like sub one million market
cap right it's the same people that are out here too like oh if i was around when bitcoin you
wouldn't have bought shit i mean like not to be an asshole but you probably still have the same
mentality like if you're not buying the day you would have been a bitch back then too not in the sense of a bitch isn't like yo no but bitches and you're scared right because it's not just because
of being there it's also the conviction you would have had of just aping 10 20 grand into the
oblivion and praying for the best so that's who got paid on that big shit bro i mean are the people
that had the two three e that are i mean it's a wales game and they said hey i'm willing to put two three on the line right now under one mil and uh
we're gonna ride it up to the top and hopefully get paid and if you didn't and you sat here and
you oh i got 300 bucks and it's at 14 i'm gonna use 200 bucks i mean that's unfortunately that's
you missed it there's nothing else to say but you
missed it right so there has to be that level of risk and almost like uneasiness in order for it
to be uh worth it honestly yeah i think you need to like the big thing that i would fucking just
implore people to do is study these things don't fucking fomo the end of them like if you feel any type of like oh shit this
is hype just study what happened and then like study other things that might emerge that will
do that and like that's the key in my in my head bro like i'm not a fucking genius at this shit
but like you buy low and sell high so if it's very high uh you probably don't want to deviate from
that i just wait for double Ape And then I sell
That's what you did yesterday
I wait for everybody to FUD me
And then I buy
No I mean but the reality is too though
It's like
What y'all saying is like
Like if you bought Bitcoin at $30
It's probably because you studied
And you like spent time to learn
To know what's going on
The people who put you know 2-3 ETH in the big under a million market cap, they probably
actually studied and spent time to learn about the ecosystem where they felt confident to
risk what they put into it.
And I think that's the bigger thing.
People are not spending enough time learning these you know these ecosystems you know these protocols these
networks they just aping because they see a see up on the timeline and then when everything goes
bad it's like you know they're trying to blame somebody but it's that time in the market paul
right i mean it's being it's time in the market seeing this stuff happen over and over again
you're like oh shit this happened last time and the people that made the most amount of money
uh they bought within the first 10 minutes so if i want to make the most amount of money i need to
buy within the first 10 minutes maybe i'm not aping my whole bag in the first 10 minutes
but i know that the only real way to make bread right now is to get a steak while this is hot
and maybe you've never that too but plus the study like i'm like the people who
in and at minute one, they do study.
And, like, even something that you guys do, like, upon y'all show, like, you know, you can tell, like, even when y'all, like, post, like, everything y'all gonna talk about.
Like, you can tell it's a study at the market that y'all do daily, an overview before y'all even put out a show, right?
Like, you can tell you guys spend that, you know, like, that extra time to, you know, make your show good.
And it's just that part that people have not been doing.
We're just in like 2021.
And like, you know, even with the ICO credit in 2017, like most people got wrecked because they just was just trying to, again, hit 100x because other people hit 100x.
They knew nothing about this ICO.
They never read a white paper.
They never did nothing.
They just expected to get rich because they heard somebody up on the timeline got rich.
And that's just like, you know, people really need to get back to studying.
And, you know, like we tell people do their own research.
But the reality is like nobody's really doing no research.
It's like you need to do research.
We're trying, bro.
We're trying to get these fuckers to do research.
That's why we're up here.
And I feel like.
Here's some research.
Wait, just to interrupt.
Sorry, I feel like today was that perfect show to tell people like stop taking
signals start learning at least the basic support and resistance figure out what you're doing um
that way you don't lose but people that are buying at the top or even at the bottom or people that
are coming in it's mostly based on hype and their friends and everybody telling them to get into it
so it's not that they uh are they don't even have the conviction for it yeah they don't have the conviction bro that's the main thing that i'm saying because like
i'll tell you right now buying pubs at the bottom was one of the most risk on feeling purchases
ever because nobody cared and not even like the people in the gc's bro like i'm close to that
shit um nobody's gonna be like with you when you're making these decisions uh that are like
risk on right but they gonna clown your ass i guarantee you're making these decisions uh that are like risk on
right but they gonna clown your ass i guarantee you that i know they can clown me all they want
because like one penny to three like we're up 100 on the week on pups and like dcaing is a real
thing did i buy more a little bit higher yes did i also buy the bottom yes so does it matter at all
no and does anybody give a shit nah are all Are all the Fudders here? Not really, bro.
They're probably out and they made money on something else.
But it's just like the FUD is insane to me.
Like I fight for yaps, right?
Like I stake my fucking yaps, whatever.
That is paid back for itself 3X.
And at the time, like I remember everybody being like, you're not cheating that shit.
Like have you not seen all these other airdrops, this, this, and that?
But like you said, like sometimes you study shit and you're like, no, no i actually believe in this i think the long term it's a good decision and like the long-term mindset
has that's how i've been here every fucking day i love the short-term shit too and i'm holding
absolute dog shit on the salami blockchain but it but like that shit will go back into bitcoin
or it'll go to zero but like the risk are you willing to take it you know what i mean it's it's
like there's different levels to this shit for For me, Pups is just like a
long-term, I could DCA the way down when
there's no hype. And like, yeah, now
we have like Funky Bit and like all this shit happening
in BTC Eco. And I'm just
going to bet on the BTC Cabal, bro.
I'm going to bet on Xverse and fucking all
these companies. That's all I'm
concerned with. And then the vaporware that's
built around it. It doesn't matter
to me, right? So it's like, that's my own own thesis though i don't need somebody in the group chat because the people
in the group chat sold uh because that's what always happens bro so like you can't take the
conviction from these other guys bro that's not how this works yeah 100 yeah i was just like
just in general with the tension it's like like three waves. It's like the DGens that get in, then you got the early alpha callers, and then you have the mid-curve retail.
And that's like three waves.
And when you start seeing everybody posting their P&Ls on the timeline saying they're trillionaires,
I mean, it might not go down instantly, but it's at the end of its cycle.
And yeah, Bitcoin did go down, but it's still not dead.
Bitcoin's only $ 85k right now guys
big coin oh big coin right yeah that's what i'm saying like everybody's like oh it went down so
bad i mean but it's still like not that bad people are still having fun so it's just like taking
profit and not full stacking at the bottom everybody called it a ponzi though like here's
what i don't understand everybody called it a ponzi and they're
like why did the ponzi take a dip like what do you mean bro well that's the thing you don't that's
time in the market versus timing the market right timing the market is hey i was around
right when this ponzi launched it's great i got in early ggs time in the market means that hey
at a certain point this is going to become unsustainable.
And I got to figure out why and how it becomes unsustainable and get the fuck out before
I'm the one left.
Not don't participate.
Not none of that.
It's just, yo, where have I seen this before?
What happens?
And that's what happened, right?
I mean, you're on this new level of big, and it currently requires USD value roughly about 50k to upgrade into these new miners.
Now, granted, a lot of these people are getting these tokens for free and you want me to burn 50k USD over and over
I start having questions on whether or not I'm how deep in this game and how much I actually like this shit because
At the end of the day, it's still 50k
And we both and all of us have to participate in order for this to keep going
It's not just me burning my 50 and then you know, the game is cool
So that's the biggest issue with these ponzi's is that exponential, the rate of just
increment, the bonding curve, if it gaps too quickly, the game's dead, right?
Because it stops people from continuing the upgrades, continuous the burn, and then the
token itself's value starts to go down because the people at the top making the most
are no longer buying and burning. They're just redeeming. And so you're literally just feeding
the top whale until the Ponzi's over, right? So granted, time in the market, you see this stuff
happen, you kind of know how it's going to play out and you can more or less figure out, hey,
take profit today, have fun tomorrow, and just be scot-free by the third day, right? And then
timing the market is you being around and so happen to see it. You participated, you made a
little money, and now you're here watching it slowly move up and down. So just a combination
of the two, but it's cool that we can see almost both examples, right, potentially in play.
Well, something else too, like that we're not talking about, like if you,
so something else that we got to grow as a, as a, as a,
as a community and culture is that if people actually sell to like realize
profits, then the community like bash them, right? Like it's like, it's like,
it's like you like a bad person, but actually like, like realizing the game,
but like JJ had his hand up the show time. I want to let him talk.
Cause cause like, I don't, but, but like JJ had his hand up. So Tom, I want to let him talk because, cause like,
I don't,
but,
but like,
I do want to,
I want to talk about that next,
but like,
how do we like navigate that?
And like,
like celebrate people who actually did the right thing and don't like treat
them as an outsider because they like realize games.
I've never,
I've never met a hater in real life.
So all these haters live on the internet and the internet's not real.
So you just log off and you're done with it. So's all i do no no what up jj i see you got a gary gary draft
so i've never been on stage don't let me down my guy what's good yeah gm gm gm yeah this is my
first time on stage man and i want to say this is the kind of conversations we need to be having
in the space man because ultimately, it's our responsibility.
Like, there's no 1-800 number to call, so we got to make sure that we take care of each other.
There were a couple of things that were touched upon, and, you know, the first thing I want to talk about real quick is just, like, the ability to take action, right?
Like, we're not, the opportunity may present itself, but it's up to us to take action to see if we can realize that opportunity.
Right. So like for, for, for me, I'm, I'm super busy. Like I'm a dad, I'm, I'm a business owner. So for me to be locked in, like I gotta be locked in. And what I hate that keeps on happening to
me fam is that like, I'll pull up my GM GM and for complete, like for,emeCoins on Pump.Fun that are launching. And I set my completed
filters to anything up to 720 minutes, so 12 hours, and between a market cap of 350 to 750.
Because the data that I look at shows that if a MemeCoin from Pump.fund is able to break the ceiling of about a 500k market cap,
there's a good possibility, maybe 60 to 70% chance that it's going to run. How far high up it runs,
no one knows, right? But it's about being locked in. It's about time in the market and timing the market. And so like, I just, I missed this fucking meme coin
that pump PPP, four P's about 30 people.
Something, I don't even know what it is.
Honestly, I don't do, I don't look at, I mean,
I do research, but I'm looking at the chart.
You feel me?
Like, like, I'm dead.
Yeah, fam, like at the end of the day,
like this shit, this shit ran up like 500%.
We're talking about one Solana in, 6.85 Solana out in just a couple hours, literally two hours time.
That's the moment.
All of that to say, I'm not convicted in these plays, but if the opportunity is there, the opportunity
is there. It's just about being locked in. But I appreciate you guys spreading the good news,
the gospel, because, you know, we're getting a bad rap in this space with all the scammers and
everything that's happening, all the scams and shit like that. But I'm super bullish on the
market with the regulations coming out, crypto-friendly regulations coming out, and I'll land here. I'm a firm believer that no matter what
game we decide to play, if we're playing sports, basketball, baseball, football, soccer, monopoly,
uno, domino, spades, in order to play a game and win at the game, we need to know what the rules are, right? And I think we're coming into this space now where regulations might be starting to be
drawn and it allows us to understand how to play and win the game.
But more importantly, I feel in my heart that this is going to begin to shake out some of
the bad actors and allow us to thrive the way that we ought to.
So I just wanted to share that, man, a fucking A1 conversation going on right now.
Appreciate you, JJ, coming up and actually bringing some value to the table.
If you've never been on The Space, well, we host The Space Tuesday through Saturday from 10, 15 to 12.
So feel free to come back on stage any of those days, man.
But Polymath, bro, have you seen this new rune funky bit thing have you been on
this thing yet or have you tried this out i'm not i'm not gonna lie man i i no i'm not i i haven't
been on on that i'm like those type of names i i was talking to one of my good friends i like
like the naming like when i like when i first got into crypto it's a meme that goes around to like
like you like a giga chad smart into crypto, it's a meme that goes around. Like, you're like a giga-chazz, smart, intelligent.
Like, lately, it's just, like, just the stupidest names.
Like, it just, it's wild for me.
And, like, I just can't get with that shit, bro.
Like, I pride my, like, again, bro, like, I got a family.
But, like, some stuff that I, like, now where I'm in life, like, I look at certain stuff and I'm like, if I caught my, like, my kid doing this, I would be like, what the fuck are you doing? Like,
what are you doing? And so, uh, some of, some of the naming, and some of the, like, um,
you know, it's a picture that, like, you see where, like, uh, well, let me explain it to you.
I, I, and I know all you guys have saw this shit, right? Like, you, um, it's the picture where,
you know, it's like a, it's like a boot that kicks, like, the staple, the staple, like, you know, cut the goddamn scissors, the scissor cut the goddamn, um, you know, it, it cuts, like, the water bucket, like, the water bucket spills into the thing and it spins, then that thing spins and then it goes into this i just feel like like this is what like some of these devs just do bro like it's just like they make up all this like shit and like you caught in like some game but like it is all
bullshit so like um at this stage of the market with everybody having access to the same information
i think i think like with chat like chat and all these ai and ai agents they've allowed people who
like never did research to have access to like immediate information that you used to have to
go research to learn and so now that everybody has access to like immediate information that you used to have to go research to learn.
And so now that everybody has access to the same information, to me, the game has changed.
And like, you know, that's kind of where I'm at. Right.
It's like looking for like, you know, like the human aspect of real study and real like, you know, discipline and real research.
And so I just so like if if if it feels to me like you could have just made it quickly And like like you could have gave some ideas like some AI and it gave you like a perfect way
You know make me like the perfect token is gonna make people like, you know
Have FOMO game the great tokenomics and it just give it to you
So I feel like like so much shit is like that right now
And so like we're in the middle of like going through that phase of this life where
Like people can like separate what's actually
like dope shit versus what's just created in in two minutes shit and so like for right now i'm
on pause bro like uh i'm convicted in like in like my og plays and like again i'm an honest person
like if i don't have time to research it um i'm not gonna touch it and so i wouldn't tell nobody
to touch it and like i'm true to my word So anybody who make money off things that I don't, like, you know, salute to them,
if they did, they time.
But, like, bro, I didn't.
And, yeah, I don't fake it until I make it.
You know, I do what I got to do.
And I leave it at that.
But, no, I definitely didn't do that.
And I do think we in that space where people are just –
I'm just saying, like, the ICO thing, bro, like where everybody's like, if you had a good white paper, the average person don't know the difference.
So they ate.
But like, I know the difference, right?
Like I've been here.
I saw this shit over and over.
So like, I'm gonna stick with like my conviction plays, like, like stuff that's like, you know, already built like a big infrastructure.
They got great teams.
I'm not really looking for a hundred X at this point. Like from all my experience,
if you get a two X on one thing, you just need a two X the next thing.
Do you need a two X the next thing and a two X the next thing.
So if you two X 10,000 is 20,000, then you two X that that's 40,000.
You do that. That's 80,000. You do that. That's one 60. You do that.
And it's like, you know, but again, that's just based on my number and, and,
and, and my risk, uh, you know but again that's just based on my number and and and and
my risk uh you know like profile and appetite right like i'm kind of good on the 100x's that's
kind of where i'm at to be honest yeah isn't this on base though that's the thing that i think it's
on arch network i think no it's on base it'll be integrated into arch arch so you use this base
that's the thing about it bro all look i remember
all you motherfuckers that were bitching about l1s i remember still two years ago here we are
i remember l1 everything why we're here on bitcoin i didn't forget why i came over i'm guessing y'all
did right because now you motherfuckers are on the fed chain on base. Y'all bitched about ICP.
Y'all didn't let Unisat make it.
Y'all didn't let Odin make it because of UDI.
But now you motherfuckers are trading runes on base.
Just say you're after liquidity, bro.
Y'all are chasing liquidity and that's all it is.
It's not about runes or Bitcoin.
It's not about none of that no more.
We got to be honest with ourselves.
None of that matters. Chief, I love that you said that bro this shit has turned so like when ordnance
first started bro like it was like a different place or like just like bro this shit has turned
so fucking weird it's all just money now now it's just money it's everybody it's been just money
this this shit is all like i'm not gonna lie most of the it's a way to be about money and investing that's not like like like right but like dude
sophisticated people no no bro listen when anybody go to invest anything like when you do a c round
a round a b round family and friends like even every small business like it's still not that
toxic in like gambling like when you
if like chief wake up it's like yo bro i'm about to start this restaurant i'm like the best cook
in the world you know i need money to open up my store when we invest in him we're not gambling
like we trust him we trust like how good his food tastes and like we hoping he succeed this shit has
become like just a race to the fucking bottom bro bro. Like, this is not what it should be.
You should be able to, like, have a, like, a real, like, developed mind about, like, we're putting our capital in this because we think the future of this can grow and expand.
But, like, literally now it's just, like, everybody's wanting a quick dollar right now.
right now. To the point to where, no disrespect
To the point to where, like, no disrespect to anybody who buys what they buy.
to anybody who buys what they buy, but
the reason why I've never bought
Farccoin, I can't believe that
something named Farccoin
is winning. I just
can't wrap my hand around
all that shit I'm being doing. You're mid-curve, Polly.
That's what we call it. You don't like names.
I don't like this.
I don't like this. Bro, you got to be a little
left-curve. People are trading attention.
They're not investing, bro. You're an investor no but that's my point though building
ordinals at the beginning were definitely scamming and like that was there was a fundamental level of
of like a lot of this shit was gambling motherfuckers were gambling on pizza sats bro like
like so like i i agree with you completely that I think that any, any bet on vaporware on Bitcoin is a bet that anything on Bitcoin that's vaporware is inherently going to be
fucking worth something later because the ecosystem so early and like, yeah, I think
that a lot of people here actually believe what exactly what you're saying, because like
why the fuck else would be doing this?
A lot of it is like, yeah, the, the number is going to go up, but you have fucking big
teams, big players and like VC, like you have a lot of money is like yeah the number is going to go up but you have fucking big teams
big players and like vc like you have a lot of money going into the whole ass ecosystem so like
a bet across the board makes sense and like owning top level uh assets that have already been proven
there i think that that's like the mid-curve play but then also like this shit is fucking crypto
baby like these motherfuckers are gonna run up everything uh especially far coin and like i i totally agree with you where it's like yeah like there's two sides of the
market bro and like unfortunately the bigger side is always gonna be this gambling bullshit
and it's just like because there's no other industry where you could do this shit and it's
changing lives but it's also ruining lives um but yeah the one thing i wanted to say
the pups bro the one thing i want to say. Dude, imagine. Just real quick.
The Puffs, bro.
The one thing I want to say is Puffs is the only vaporware fucking fungible that already knew this shit and was not being maximalist about it and being like, look, this ecosystem sucks.
All of the tooling sucks.
We're going to Solana.
And we did that on a, well, I'm not we, but they did that at BRC20, bro.
So it's like, I think that there's like, there's different levels of this shit.
And like, dude, there's a company, corporate, fucking type level.
You got VC fucking wizards.
Cool.
But then you're also going to have this absolute dog shit.
And sometimes the dog shit's going to outperform the fucking other shit.
And it's fucking retarded.
But like, I agree with what everybody's saying.
But that shit be a hell of a temporary, though, bro.
That shit be temporary. I'm sorry, Chief. Go ahead, bro. This is be temporary, you know, bro. That should be temporary
I'm sorry, but this is your Monday
No, no, no, I was just gonna say that the main issue with that is that I mean how you come to market
No one cares what you do, bro, right and no one cares
It's this idea that that i'm stupid and I forgot who you were yesterday
I think that that's my biggest issue with this is this. hey, I didn't say that. I'm like, yes, you did. It's okay to change. It's okay for us to adapt.
It's okay for us to grow, expand. But to call me dumb and tell me I'm wrong that you didn't say
what you know, that's the biggest issue here, bro. We started Ornals with the idea of being culture vultures for every other chain and
every other ecosystem and bring them back to Bitcoin. That was it. That is the underlying
reason of why Ornals were born, right? To take attention, money, JPEGs, coins, whatever the
fuck it was from every other culture ecosystem chain and have them
see that they could do this thing on Bitcoin and it could and it has better XYZ properties,
right? It went from that to, hey, this is why it's better on Bitcoin or regardless of the
limitations to, well, no, I don't want limitations. Yeah, it's better on Bitcoin, but if I got to wrap it on Cardano in order to get listed
on Binance, I'll do it.
And you're like, what?
How the fuck does that bring people back to Bitcoin?
You're like, well, we're no longer on that anymore, right?
That was just to get you here.
Now we don't care about bringing people to Bitcoin.
We don't even care about Bitcoin.
We just happen to launch on this motherfucker. now we just want to get on binance which one of y'all
got a binance listing and how much do we need to move to right so it's that change that's the
biggest issue with me is because that's what i wanted that's what i was trying to bring up that
that has been the change and i'm glad you bring it up because like we need to be honest about that
and like make decisions going forward based on that. Because that definitely has happened.
And I say this in private calls.
What has happened is something that, generally from my heart, I didn't want to happen here.
And it has happened.
And it's sad to me, to be honest.
Because, like you said, like, what the initial goal was even when you just take like you know art
like to have something that's truly immutable on the blockchain forever like even that narrative
is gone like nobody even cared at this point it's like again this pppfff whatever y'all just said
like this like people more care about shit like that we gotta rise above that though bro like we
got we got look we got squiggles and we got and we got Mog. I just feel like the gambling's not gonna go anywhere,
but that means that motherfucker's doing real shit.
Nah, but it wasn't gambling.
So Lord, I feel you, but really,
Mog and Scripps,
what they were doing were really innovative at the time.
It really wasn't a gamble.
It was people doing dope shit that
is true it was probably one of the first culture culture coins right alongside pepe yeah that's
real i think that putting like art on bitcoin inherently if you're like an artist a real artist
you're not here to like do a rug and then disappear i think that that is innovative and like
forward thinking and you should do that i think you know i i'll be honest i hate the fucking
ordinal community for the most part like i don't have i don't enjoy my time around most of these
people bro it's there's a lot of toxicity here it all sucks trust me when i was here like early
it was like me and y'all on a fucking unisat wallet clicking buttons not knowing what the
fuck we were doing that shit was dope because all the fucking real people Bitmaps when this shit was actually free
When we did win the mempool
Well, no, when the mempool was the alpha
When we were all just bitcoin explorers
There was none of this centralized
My team, your team, nothing
It was, oh, look, something's minting
You better get to your fucking computer
And everybody had fun
And oh, I didn't get to participate
Because you couldn't get mad
Because it was literally fair Now it's just not fair no more there's no way you can actually find
someone to get mad at well polymath you didn't give me whitelist fuck that guy oh lord didn't
uh give me a retweet fuck that no that's not how shit was back in the day i mean just for
people that weren't here when ordinals first started, the majority of volume came from motherfuckers
trying shit out and other people finding out and wanting to participate. Now, I mean, me,
if something's minting, I mean, I'm probably not even going to go look for it. I mean,
I'm going to just be honest. The chances of it being 100% free and fair are probably slim to none.
I'm going to end up being cooked and donating some sats to some dumb ass shit uh and that's just my mentality right and that's me as a heavy ordnance collector i mean i have one
of every blue chip bro and i just don't deploy i don't have fun over there i mean i'm gonna be
honest i don't have fun on bitcoin anymore i spend money over there because i do think intrinsic
value of collecting it's there right that doesn't change but to where i'm having fun
and looking for the mempool and hoping some new team comes out with something or excited for the
i mean there ain't shit really i mean to be honest and that's someone who's been here from day one
and seeing all the phases and shit like that now something comes up i'll go over i'll have fun but
it's just we got to be honest with ourselves we're trading fucking coins on base yeah it's not because of its bitcoin we're not pushing bitcoin forward bro we're trying to
push our coin to be the number one coin in our bags the one thing i'll say is teams are building
and i respect that like arc arc or arch i think it's arc right network or whatever i think that's
in june like i think they're dropping their shit and like until then unfortunately like yeah the
best option is like
using other chains as a tool you know what i mean and and that's what these people are doing for
defy i don't think that should affect the the inherent value of like a really good artist
building something dope on bitcoin though like there's i think there's very undervalued artists
in the ecosystem and they get fucking washed out by toxic dumbass bullshit on twitter bro
um that's my honest like take i just i just i think a lot of these spaces have gotten extremely and they get fucking washed out by toxic dumbass bullshit on Twitter, bro.
That's my honest like take.
I just, I just, I think a lot of these spaces have gotten extremely toxic.
Some of the spaces that are like the top ordinal spaces have gotten toxic a bunch of times and they've shit on other projects that didn't deserve it.
It's a bunch of people and people are fucking shit.
So like, I think the ecosystem has a long way to grow.
And like, I did prefer it early days.
But that goes with any ecosystem.
I preferred ETH early days when there wasn't much of fucking idiots.
I preferred all the communities I'm in early days, right?
But yeah, no, long term though, I don't know, bro.
Like building on Bitcoin is the only thing that fucking makes sense to me long term.
It's the only place that I want to build shit.
But this whole space is garbage, bro.
Look at AI.
AI crypto motherfuckers, get the fuck out of here. There's like maybe two or three of them that I'm like, these guys whole space is garbage, bro. Look at AI, AI crypto motherfuckers. Get the fuck
out of here. There's like maybe two or three of them that I'm like, these guys know what they're
talking about. But like, even with Bitcoin, a lot of these motherfuckers don't know what they're
talking about. They came from other chains. I saw an opportunity and they're fucking trying to run
up a bag and that's the real shit about it. And like even a lot of top fucking teams, like
you're shilling me your fucking pizza sets when you're running a platform and taking fees from
fucking everybody because you know, you're early. Cool don't respect some of the thought leaders here okay or the
fucking people that are actually running the platforms like how many platforms have just
gone down after they made a fuck load of money on btc ecosystem a lot um so yeah like crypto always
gets fucking ruined by these toxic motherfuckers bro especially like in the ecosystem on spaces
you got the biggest voice and you act like your
opinion's a joke it's not you're you're fucking you're swaying a lot of people and you're swaying
the market because you have a big voice so congrats for doing that instead of pushing
the space forward but yeah whatever uh just uh we'll start the cycle out of this um but just i
mean more or less in terms of just the ordinal aspect of it all, right? At the end of the day, it's Bitcoin.
That's the beauty of it.
It's the idea that it's decentralized.
Anyone can build and do what they want.
Also, in this terms of the art side of things, I mean, just I would implore people to study just traditional art markets.
I mean, art sits there, right?
Collectors come, they gradually pick up pieces, and then short squeezes happen, right? And you can't force a community of art collectors. Moments like what happened with OMB and going to the museum and stuff like that, that sparked controversy amongst a lot of the other artists from other chains, whether good or bad, right? But those are the kind of stuff. And that's how, let's just say the art culture is actually born. We can't sit here
and say, look, we're producing art. Where are the collectors? Hey, look, there's dope art here.
Where are the collectors? I mean, ideally you can't force collectors, right? In reality,
very few people here are actually collectors. Most are here for money. And collecting
is a luxury and a privilege that not all have, right? I mean, you can't go out and buy an
autoglyph. I can't. And say, hey, I just spent 50 ETH because I can, right? But other people can.
And you fall somewhere in that metric. Whether you're spending 50 ETH, 200 bucks, 100 bucks,
right? That's a privilege that you can buy something and put it away.
So to think that everybody has that privilege is a little kind of entitled of us as well.
But I think slowly in the process, I mean, more and more people are going to discover art on
Bitcoin and more and more people will collect and that'll just happen and solve itself.
But I mean, in all honesty, I think that'll be four to five years, right? It'll be a while. It'll be natural progression of the Bitcoin ecosystem. And then people and almost like Leonidas is back how Leonidas was before he got to Bitcoin, right? This blockchain historian, right? Him and other people like him will exist from the Bitcoin ecosystem, right? Hey, I've been searching
all the early inscriptions and I found this gem. It's only a collection of 10. It's automatic
pieces. It's X, Y, this, this, this. Come check it out. And then boom, that's how it's going to get
some spotlight. It's going to get a little bit of attraction and it keeps moving, right? The same
way that he found crypto skulls and stuff like that. Those are the kind of people that help push the art market through this kind of exploration and this finding of
new collections. And the beauty of Bitcoin is it's literally that it's a dark hole, bro. Someone can
go from inscription one and go each one individually and find things that we've never found
or seen ever before. Right. And that's how you start bringing attention and awareness to collections,
and then slowly you start bringing collectors.
So I think it'll be a problem that'll fix itself.
It's just we're trying to force people who really don't care about art to care about art,
and then on top of that, have the privilege to collect art the same way that we have the privilege to collect art,
which is probably not going to happen, right? It took years for us to get to the status and
it'll take other people years or not. So I don't know. I think art is the perfect product market
fit for Bitcoin. It's a decentralized ledger. No one can fuck with it. We started going,
trying to be like other chains and do meme coins. I think if we just go back to the roots
and just care about art and putting cool things on chain some are gonna be worthless just like there's some worth this art and then
there's some that will gain value over time you just need to you know you're not wrong you're just
early you know and making a great point uh uh especially like honestly like the ability to put
data on bitcoin which whether it's a will or this insurance whether it's a title art i think like
that was the great narrative that was here that's been lost like like so you just made a hell of a
point bro and when bitcoin came out it was in it was a new emerging market it was never we never
had that before and typically what happens in crypto is the market gives you more than it's
actually worth in the beginning and then over time people start dissecting it
and then they actually find a true value of it so what happened was we all got excited there's a lot
of fomo because we're in a bill bear market the market priced this ordinal rune shit more than it
actually was the more we dissected the more people got in here more top buying came and the more fud
came and now it's priced what the attention's worth and over time not only that bro people people said that people said it
like because meme coins on eath went to 20 billion 60 billion then automatically there's going to be
a 20 billion 60 billion dollar room and that that like uh like that gambling fucked up everything
like people like because they just assumed that because this happened on the other chain, it was automatically going to happen on this chain.
To me, it brought out the worst in our in our ecosystem.
And to me, like we're left with that.
And again, to you guys point, I'm hoping that we can like grow and move past this and get back to like putting important things data wise on a blockchain that's immutable.
That's the most secure place ever.
Like, again, I do think if we can get back to that narrative, it'll be stronger for all of us.
It's not going to be a moneymaker. It's not going to be a moneymaker, but it will be valuable in the
future. Like having information on a blockchain that can never be censored is probably one of
the most valuable things you can give to humanity. So, I mean, books have been burned.
People have been censored.
People have been taken down.
Look at Patrick Amidon.
His art's taken down from China.
The fact that he could put his art on Bitcoin and it can never be censored again is probably
the most valuable thing you could give to a human being for the next thousand years because
there's going to be a lot of AI scraping things.
There's going to be a lot of people trying to take democracy down or try to create a central government, and they're going to do whatever
they can to erase history. So the fact that we have a chance to put all this information on
Bitcoin is probably going to save a lot of lives in the future. It's probably one of the most
valuable things we could do. So if we understand that- I know what you just said. I want to let
the crowd hear. You can use Bitcoin to like store and preserve data and you also can use
bitcoin like journalism you can use it as like like you i'm like gandy records and all this
put it on dude like that's what it's talking about no exactly bro like you can use it as like a
journal like because it's like it's true it happened in real time you can't change it or
or like go back and like make it false it's true and um like you said like
i think we need to get back to that narrative of using ordnance for that then there's something
that hey you know this happened on ether solana it should happen up on bitcoin and i should get
rich because i because i knew about it first that is what this shit has turned into and it needs to
get back to journalism documenting you know you know, preserving, you know, preserving,
and putting dope shit on a chain that is immutable,
that cannot be forgotten, that cannot be deleted or erased.
And it needs to get back to that.
I 100% love what you said, Spencer.
Yes, sir. What up, winners?
TM, darlings. You know that this is my favorite topic.
And I wanted to add, with everything that's happening right now,
it reminds me, like, when I first came in,
so it was, like, mid to late 2021.
And believe it or not, like, meme coins had cycles.
NFTs had cycles. And for the first time, like this past year, we, we were just all about meme coins. And, and that's where like everybody
got their, their, you know, like fix or gambling fix. But, um, I was like one of the very few people
meme coins and different things that whenever I didn't like the art because like ordinals
weren't around and I I just didn't I didn't see the value in in that and then so like you have I know everybody had like a strong opinions on uh Tony being
accepted to Toledo but those opportunities that are open for like when the doors open like so do
all the windows and what's bullish is like if that's happening and the like I mean Toledo was
like founded in like 1901 or some shit it's a really old museum and like I mean was just voted
like number one in the entire like all of the U.S. for 2025 and a lot of people just like they don't know that
they're just like oh skivity Ohio or like whatever the fuck but they didn't they didn't really do
much of the research into that and when that's being accepted that is incredibly bullish for
like all of the other artists that have art on chain whether you're preserving like
your your older sketches you know like that that you want to like kind of show your portfolio
now with the um ord update just like making these galleries it's like so crucial for artists like
if you're into that um and i think most people should if they're true artists, because we've never had that kind of technology before to where everything can be linked in a very, very succinct and like super concise way like that. And, um, that's public, right? Like you can make a website, you stop
paying the website. It's, it's going, it's going down and that's going down with your portfolio too.
Um, and so like it, no matter your stance, like whether you, um, you're just here to gamble. You're just here to make, you know, like quick money. Um,
that it, for the longevity of the bags that we have, or that we've bought in the past year or
two years, things like that are just so incredibly like crucial, um, to be not only acknowledged, right? We're in echo chambers
constantly and that we've created because we only follow, have you all ever been to a space
where it's just normies? It's wild. It is just like outside of crypto, Twitter is just like insane. It's actually insane. And those, and it exists,
but they have absolutely no idea that we exist. And it's fun to just kind of dabble back and
forth. But that acknowledgement from, you know, like one of the biggest museums if not the biggest and another fun fact about Toledo I don't know if
anybody uh like researched it but if you're into like glassblowing or anything like that they have
the biggest collection because when it was founded in 1901 um like Drummond uh a huge glass like tycoon is the one that that started it um and like i absolutely
that's a very hard craft to do um so if you if you blow glass if you blow um that's something
that's like definitely worth going to skim to ohio for um i'm not sure how we just talking about like like you
know like toledo and glass like like we were talking about like using bitcoin it's in like
in like a lot of ways as like dope i'm not sure how we just got to that but uh i i definitely
rather get back to like using bitcoin in this ways to like or imagine if you're toledo you're
you're born you're you developed in 1901 and then they say in like 2025, they buy, uh, they buy a bunch of NFTs, buy some Oral Max Biz,
they buy some CryptoPunks, buy some Pudgy Penguins, and then 2100 comes around and then, uh, you know,
Pudgy Penguins and CryptoPunks, uh, failed to pay the server. And then they have this frame that's
a 404 error. So like, if you're going to hold art for long periods of time, hundreds of years where
these museums are around for hundreds of years, the server has to be paid for these NFTs to be
around. And it's when it's on ordinals, it's there forever. And you know, your art's not going to
disappear with your investment. So that's kind of where I feel like a lot of these museums are
going to be buying our bag. It's not going to be instantly. And it's going to be a while, but it's
eventually coming to that where you see the Smithsonian, you're going to see MoMA,
now you see Toledo, and you're probably going to have the government, you know, they talk about
when Trump came in that NFTs and meme coins could be considered collectibles. Are you guys ready for
the government to buy your bags and, you know, have it stored in some reserve for strategic
reasons? I'm just saying it's that it's now coming to that where they're going to be taking,
they're going to have to look at
if they're going to consider NFTs as collectibles,
which one are going to be stored
as a strategic for here for hundreds of years.
It's probably going to be ETH.
It's probably not going to be Bitcoin.
It's probably going to be Bitcoin
because they never will go away.
If you're going to store these for hundreds of years,
there's going to be execution risks
with the people having to pay the servers.
So a lot of these museums are probably going to buy ord risks with the people having to pay the servers. So a lot of these museums are
probably going to buy ordinal bags, and they might
actually be your bags. So I'm just saying,
all you know, fuck the government.
Well, hopefully they actually
buy the ordinals, and they're not just
gifted them for free. Hopefully they actually buy them.
Yeah. Hopefully they do have
to buy them. They're not gifted. JJ, I know your hand was up
for a while there. Do you want to get into it
before we end the show, brother?
No, I'm good. I'm going to yield. I love that the conversation went to artists and just kind of in its purest form.
Polymath was talking about the emotion of things. Earlier, we were talking about how people are FOMOing in and big ways getting burned that way.
um and in big ways getting getting burned that way um and then you know some of us are emotionally
not taking action like purposely staying on the sidelines because we've been rubbed or burned so
many times right so it's this weird thing but all that to say i love that the conversation came full
circle to like it's pure as form the only thing i would want to ask for the speakers is like don't
like in order for the space to to to, to, to really work,
don't we need, like, doesn't, don't we need all these roles? Like, don't we need the artists?
Don't we need the collectors? Don't we need flippers and fucking chads and fucking like,
you know, all, all of this to, to, to move the space forward, especially if we want to talk
about mass adoption and Smith's, uh, you know, museums buying up collections and, you know, putting titles and deeds and insurances like on the blockchain.
Like, don't we need more than just collectors and artists for this to work out?
Bigger picture is my question.
Definitely. And that's kind of what I was trying to allude to.
Like, I think, like, again, that that was a powerful thing that Ordin ordinance could have brought to, like, not just our ecosystem, but to the world.
I think like that, again, we need to get back to that narrative and like, you know, pushing those things where, you know, where it of your children or your family to self custody Apple stock Tesla stock.
But imagine you could able to inscribe like, you know, I own 10,000 Apple stock.
I inscribed that on Bitcoin. So I know for a fact I have it. I own it.
But then now I can like distribute, you know, you know, distribute it to like my friends, my family, whoever.
And so like I'm sitting an espresso, you know, a thousand shares.
I'm sitting, you know, chief 2000 shares that where they can self-custody their own apple
stock but because i put it on the bitcoin blockchain is it's true it's immutable and and
we can delete that and it's so it's so many use cases like that that like we've gotten away from
that again now we're just trying to fucking pump fucking you know um it's called far corn on this
thing but like they're like call it bark corn because it's called Farcoin on this thing, but they call it Bartcoin because
it's a B and put fucking Bitcoin in front of it. So like Bartcoin should pump because fucking it's
on Bitcoin and it should pump because it's on Bitcoin. Well, you still can't even buy Bitcoin
on chain, right? I think that that's the biggest issue that we can't even solve is that there's
no way to buy Bitcoin on chain. That's why ordinals were such a novel concept, because for you to acquire Bitcoin today, you have to use a centralized exchange.
Right. You can use maybe a mixer.
But in reality, you're not buying Bitcoin directly.
There's no spot where you can go and just buy some on chain like that doesn't exist. And so that's the biggest issue now is that
someone has to go through centralized KYC avenues if they want to participate in a
cypherpunk ecosystem. And now you're like, how does that make sense? You're like, well,
yeah, in order to be a cypherpunk and to get some bitcoin uh please submit your passport your id uh and uh proof of
income so we know how you got this bitcoin you're like no no i got cash or i got gold or i got
whatever i just how can i get some on on chain like i don't want to do any of that oh well you
can't hopefully you have a friend because that's the answer now do you have a friend do you have
someone that can give you that amount of bitcoin because if you don't you're fucked like you literally have to jump through a billion hoops
and play games and it's going to take a month and a half and if you're trying to buy for a specific
reason you're done so ultimately i still think that ordnance can start starting starting to
solve problems like that right and that was one of the biggest things that people liked is for the first time they were able
to multiply slash make bitcoin from bitcoin on chain rather than having to buy it right and so
that's ultimately one of the biggest issues too is we talk about this onboard onboarding aspect but
i mean let's onboard to where people can even get the coin we can't even do that uh then let alone ordinals and go
further down the risk curve you know yeah it's a protocol too like ethereum came out in 2017
like really they had minted on it like nfts and there's meme coins but like really
wait wait back in it it took around in 2015 but go ahead go ahead but i'm saying like really there
wasn't like anybody really gave a until defy summer and that happened like three or four years after the protocol was invented.
Like this protocol is relatively new and we're all just saying it's over.
Like there's a lot more development to go.
You just had to have a little more patience.
Things are going to be built.
It's a little harder with UTX model compared to smart contracts.
It takes a lot more brainpower to how to fit all this shit in to a fucking UTXO and how to figure it out.
So I think it might take a little bit longer, but it took Ethereum like four or five years until people actually use it
other than minting NFTs and fucking playing around meme coins.
So you got to give a little patience.
Not everything's going to be valuable.
Not everything's going to work, but it's still in its infancy.
And we just got to be a little patient.
Everybody's poor and broke and wants everything to go up now.
So that's all I got to say.
Like, like, I don't, I don't think it's in the infancy.
I think everything's been 16 years.
I think we need to separate church and state.
I think we need to, like, realize what Bitcoin is good for and, like, use Bitcoin for that.
But I don't think we should be trying to make Bitcoin do everything all these other chains do.
I think, like, certain chains do certain things better.
Oh, yeah.
That I 100% agree with.
That's what I never understood, that idea of, well, no, it's Bitcoin.
It has to.
No, it doesn't, bro.
Like, this whole play on-chain games, y'all trying to play fucking Ponzi games on Bitcoin,
you guys are dumb.
Y'all are dumb as shit.
You're giving out sats as gas to feed a fake-ass pet when you can do that for less than fractions
of a penny somewhere else, but you want to be the cool fucking guy
that's spending the sats yo you're too rich for my blood bro you don't understand what you're
playing i mean like i'm gonna just be honest you don't understand what you're playing with or you're
too rich for my blood right and it's just one of those like why are you gonna die on this hill of
being a maximalist when it doesn't make sense you're literally telling people to do that doesn't make sense
all for what ideals and morals and and you know like i don't know but i agree with you 100 on
that and i've always been vocal of i mean i don't think that everything if it's not on bitcoin it's
not and it doesn't have to be and that's cool right i mean bro like i think people forget like
people love soccer people love the NFL. People love the NBA.
Like these are all like great fucking things.
They're like completely separate. Like the rules are different.
The whole nine. And like, again, I do think Bitcoin has became this.
Everything that existed everywhere else needs to exist on Bitcoin.
And I think that has been part of the thing that is like hurt, hurt the industry like the last year.
Like we should use Bitcoin for what Bitcoin is great at, you know, respect that.
No matter what new chain comes along, like, even with the maximum is, like,
Bitcoin actually inspired every new innovation ever.
So, like, no matter if it's called anything else, Bitcoin still inspired it,
which is, like, it's like a great thing.
And, like, again, we got to separate church and state.
Bitcoin are great
at some at some things i think as again as art as a you know um you know a hard store of money
i think um as a even now it's like bitcoin is damn like a collectible because and this is
something not you know that i say like the bigger narrative in the world is don't sell your bitcoin
and then we're creating something called ordnose where we're asking people to spend their Bitcoin on this.
So, like, we just got to, like, find a balance, right, to where, like, there is a place where you spend your Bitcoin on valuable things.
And I just don't think they're on PFC, you know, shit coins on Bitcoin.
You know what I mean?
Like, that's just what I see.
I feel that.
I feel that.
And it's 12 o'clock.
Chief has to go.
He's going on a little vacay this weekend.
So we love these kind of – these Saturday shows are kind of more kind of an open mic.
We want them to be more like this where it's just kind of –
like typically the Tuesday through Friday shows, we're fast-paced.
We're talking about topics, what's going on.
These Saturday shows, we want to kind of take a step back, bring people on, learn, listen to people's perspectives. And that's what
today's show was. So I appreciate Polly and Witters and Lord and JJ and TJ and 618 and Liz
all coming up and participating in the conversation. And I learned a lot today. So
that's kind of what I want to do. I don't want to be the smartest person in the room. I want to learn.
And like, I love you guys. Appreciate you guys. And we will be back on Tuesday with another show. You guys be safe this weekend and I'll leave
it here for chief to end it. You guys have a great rest of your weekend. Goodbye. Peace.
Yeah. Appreciate everybody that came out, everybody that listened to the conversation
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