welcome on in everybody yo yo what's going on Lucas how much what's going on
yo I'm doing good just packing up some stuff I got to head to Manhattan later
today not a bad situation yeah yeah we'll see I have a love-hate relationship
with Manhattan it's okay for about 24 to 48 hours I feel this I'm literally feel
the exact same way I'm not a big fan either yeah we'll see how it goes what
have you been focused in on today building stuff man building stuff feel
that Ryan welcome to the stage what's going on what's happening everybody good
to be here oh man Ryan Carson what's up man good good to see you I just heard you
say building and I missed the first bit what what what are you building tell us
more well I mean I have a social influence company called social proof so
it's pretty amazing not a pain leverages yeah man it leverages AI to like do some
due diligence against influencers so it's pretty dope smart I love it yeah I'm
checking it out it's been I came over if we chat on spaces before but I know I
follow you so good to see ya what do you think that we chatted and met a lot of
times Ryan a billion times it's good to see everybody wolf how's it going it's
good good I am just kind of settling into things here today posted some stock
related stuff this morning kind of shifting gears a little bit here into
more of the AI web 3 spaces side of things wanted to get you back on I saw
you making some interesting posts about bards competitor that they're gonna be
launching to GPT for I also wanted to talk a little bit about how you know
spaces we have now seen what it's gonna look like potentially when you can
launch it with video so I just kind of want to get your thoughts on this new
wave of social media and AI that we're seeing yeah I'm excited excited shadow
there's just a million things going on in tech and AI in the world so it's
always fun to hang out chat on spaces it'll be interesting to see when video
hits kind of how that changes the spaces experience because I think actually one
of the fun things about spaces is you don't have to stress about the video
feed and kind of what's going on what you look like you can just focus on
being present but we'll see yeah I think it will change things in some ways but I
also am just curious if it's gonna show up at the top of the timeline and show
hey who has spaces up who has video on who it doesn't have video on how's it
gonna be for is it just the host our speakers gonna have options to get in
there it feels like there's a lot of variables you know 100% already seeing
some friends in the audience Kodiak the voice good to see you Pappy dr.
Manhattan sage appreciate you all stopping by yeah I see Greg down there
too if you want to go ahead and request up Greg I'll get you on stage at the
voice of DeFi see you in the audience as well yeah we're happy to bring some
more on stage for this conversation but Ryan let me turn it back to you because
there was that other piece with the AI stuff I know you're heavily ingrained in
that area and I want to get your thoughts what have you been watching these
last couple of months if you look at the traditional stock market it seems like
there's more bullishness on it than ever look at like yeah you know Nvidia
and SMCI and some of these companies and they're just soaring I mean SMC eyes up
over 100% already this year so I hope you're always first so curious to get
your thoughts on what we're seeing here and what's in the most interesting tools
and opportunities that are standing out to you hmm so I think what's happening
is a massive disruption in the B2B sass industry and and that may sound sound
specific but let me why I explain why I think it's gonna affect everybody Alex
is here what's up all right so here's what I think is happening
business owners executives leaders are starting to realize that they're way
overpaying for software so they're looking down their P&L and they're
basically saying wait a minute you know we pay two thousand dollars a month for
slack what are we doing and then they're seeing software that you can
purchase now or build in-house so for instance base camp which is 37 or 37
signals just built something called once which is basically software you buy you
download it and you run it yourself and they they basically released a slack
competitor called campfire and it's like 300 bucks and you basically run the code
locally and you own it and I think every single engineering leader or
executives gonna say wait a second I could have one of my engineers build our
own version of this in-house and if they don't know exactly how to do it they're
gonna use a large language model to help them and we'll just own the software and
and we'll save you know ten thousand dollars a year or a hundred thousand
dollars a year on that so I think I think that's one thing that AI is just
gonna completely disrupt businesses across the board yeah I think that's a
great point there and one of the areas where it's clearly already showing
disruption is the fact that and I'm gonna drop you coast here if you'd like
that is the fact that there's so many job cuts happening I think has been one
of the clearest signs of this coming to life do you think that that's been a big
driver of these job cuts we've been seeing I I think sadly it is I think you
know software engineering and Alex can speak to this as well because I know he
codes and anyone else on stage who codes I'd love to hear your thoughts on this
as well but I think engineering leaders and CEOs are just realizing they just
don't need more engineers in fact they could probably cut and get just as much
if not more out of their team or they could hire more junior people and get
the same results it's just we just don't need as many software engineers as we
used to then combine that with the fact that a lot of people are realizing they
don't even need to be software engineers to build code right so they can open up
chat GGP plus and say help me build this tool in Python and save their company a
ton of money so I think that's kind of where we're going so that begs the
question is direction and analytics now the new wave in tech more so now can
you got the craziest feedback ever in your microphone there's something it
sounds like it's like too close to another mic or something like that like
when someone has their mike like next to a speaker we try who you know what it
sounds like did you remember on Back to the Future when Marty plugs in to this
speaker the voice is laughing you know what I'm talking about I know 110% what
you're talking about and it does sound like that I just hope it doesn't end
like for Malcolm like it did for Marty give it a try now how's it sound there
your face you're just too strong for us Malcolm that's what's going on so what
was the question again well it was really about these oh sorry I was about
to ask just kind of to you know trail on a chain of thought so does that mean
that now it's the future is going to be more so in analytics and sort of create
you know more taking software design in a more creative direction just because
the raw coding can now be accomplished via AI and you know in some directions I
mean maybe I think what's happening is people are being empowered to create
like whether it's imagery videos or code like what we're realizing is that you
don't need to be a professional software engineer or a professional musician or
a professional anything anymore because you have this superpower of an AI next
to you which is both good and terrible right it means a lot of the
professionals in each in each industry are now suddenly realizing that that
they're slightly less valuable than it used to be or even not needed but
everyone who wasn't a professional now can create and a good example is so I
was reading into SEO optimization and AI driven articles and search engine traffic
and I looked into a tool called by word which is amazing I was about to pay for
it and then I was like wait I can build that in Python you know probably in a
couple days so I built it and shipped it and now you know it I can create an
article for 12 cents instead of you know three dollars and this kind of thing
every employee at a tech company is going to start doing this and wolf I
think this kind of affects all of the P and L's for for every single fortune 500
company moving forward now I just don't know exactly how it's gonna play out I
well first of all great to be speaking to you Ryan what's up Alex I doing man
been good doing good I you know I love it's probably gonna cause waves but I
love your new username just you I know I know yeah it will cause waves there's a
lot of angry upset people web 3 made you web 3 made you fuck out of here I cannot
believe they said web 3 made you that's crazy you're nothing without your
monkey you're nothing without your monkey there's nothing wrong with a
monkey there's nothing wrong with a monkey just saying no no I was saying
there's nothing wrong with the monkey that that was somebody else I was saying
would Jake crypto always question I think that was good good thing down
below oh good thing I don't know that was copy that was copy I think I saw a
post I think I saw a post yesterday that you were talking about like your name
being NFT God but you never got into NFTs and I just wanted clarity about
that here's some clarity so as always let me just hijack this entire space I
swear I have a point I'm gonna get into about software I swear to God right
after this I was sure I was and am still into NFTs I own an absurd amount of my
net worth is an NFTs when I did start my account I did talk about NFTs because
that's what I was interested in and my interest evolved and other things I
still own the monkey that was my previous profile picture I bought that
monkey twice I bought it for $30,000 two years ago and then I bought for
$30,000 again when I got stolen from me and then I own a bunch of other NFTs I
own a chromie squiggle which cost me like $20,000 or something so an absurd
amount of my net worth is an NFTs so I I am just as much into NFTs as I was
before I put my obnoxious face into my profile picture so I hope that answers
your question Poppy so there you go so Alex tell us your thoughts about AI and
software what is happening here so I was yeah sorry sorry about hijacking once
again so before I started tweeting professionally I was in leadership at a
pretty major public software company and I'll tell you you know right when Covid
happens and they started printing money the basically the culture at every
software company in the world became hire as many people as humanly possible
hire as many software engineers you possibly can whatever number they ask for
salary just pay them that whatever it is I was hiring people and some guy comes
in who I'm interviewing and he asked for more money than I'm making I'm in
leadership and the individual contributor asked for more money I'm
making and I go to my boss who was the global head of my department and I'm
like he's asking for an absolutely absurd amount of money it's more than I
make he's like so this is gonna be a really awkward answer but just give him
that that is awkward he's like I hope you understand like you came in at a
time where money wasn't being printed and now money is being printed so the
standards of money have changed and I'm like okay that's fine whatever I mean I
was making more than I should have anyway and so we were in this place in
software and it's not just in my company this was every single company was hire
as many people hire as many engineers and pay them whatever you possibly can
and now all of a sudden overnight right rates are skyrocketing AI gets invented
at the exact same time rates start skyrocketing and now we're in a place
where it's like oh fuck we've made tremendous amounts of mistakes over the
last two years hiring we have an absurd amount of bloat across every division
every company and now there's a technology that just came out that
disrupts all this and makes half these people useless anyway and so now you're
seeing layoffs across the board at every tech company you know if you if there's
a tech company that hasn't announced layoffs they're doing quiet layoffs this
isn't really a thing talked about much but every tech company is doing layoffs
whether they announced it or not the company I worked for they were basically
did quiet layoffs where it wasn't like this one wave where they just laid off a
ton of people and announced it to the press they basically did layoffs in like
small tiny batches over the course of like six to seven months and what that
meant is they didn't have to announce it to the public and look bad that they
were doing layoffs and so basically the point being is AI as totally
revolutionized software over the last basically year where you've had
every software company became too bloated and then a software technology
disrupted all the companies and now you're having tremendous amounts of
layoffs across the board so that's one thing to watch and then you had the
interesting quote from Sam Altman yesterday which I've been kind of
preaching for a few months I don't want Sam had a Sam Altman on this but I've
been preaching it for a few months now which is I think you're gonna get one
person businesses over the next three years that will become the first
billion-dollar businesses built by one person ever a thousand percent which I'm
trying to be I'm trying to be that guy I'm trying to be that one person
billionaire so it you're on your way so let's go there's a tons a ton of hands
up I feel I feel like we should call on some of these amazing folks I'm guessing
the voice was next go ahead I don't know if I was next or not but I'll go ahead
and take the take the reins welcome to everybody here I completely agree with
everything you're saying Ryan and everybody is saying in that AI is gonna
revolutionize things particularly with coding let me give you an example myself
used to whenever I'd want to build something I would go to Fiverr or Odesk
or something like that and I would hire somebody to to code something for me
maybe I had a game I had built up sure would be neat if they had this and they
would build it and it was good well now I've really gotten into where something
will come to my head and I'll think like oh I wish that was built I wish I
had this trading bot I wish I could build this to be able to make pictures
just based on this and I just go to chat GPT and I say hey I'd like to build this
how do I do it I'm not a coder I'm a pharmacist I don't know how to code and
it spits out to me code and I put it in I've learned about Python I've actually
learned more about coding than I ever would think that I would be able to just
do this and it's making me be able to build things that I never have been able
to build before through code what I think will be the future after that
though I think eventually this will be just a conversation I can have it'll use
text to speech and also be able to just understand what I'm saying and speak
back to me and I can just say hey I want to build a website that does this this
and this and it says boom here it is no code involved or at least it's not
to me the end user so yes I do think a lot of things are going to be changing
with AI we're already seeing it and it's going really fast extreme it's wild
isn't it I mean it's so empowering for you to be able to do that and I think
you are and like an army of people that are realizing they can do this I just
imagine an employee who goes to their boss and says hey boss
I figured out we're spending 10,000 bucks a year on this you know piece of B2B SaaS
software I built it by the way and it you know it doesn't have feature parity
but it's it's what we need and we'll pay zero dollars for it now I mean is that
person going to get a raise and and be employee of the year of course if the
ends yeah that's gonna be amazing yeah that's gonna be amazing yeah that's
they should be because anything anybody can do anything now coding wise and yeah
I should help them with the job one of the first things I made was you guys
know I like to do spaces I like to have co-host things like that is I wanted to
make a virtual co-host right so I did that I basically told chat GPT what I
wanted to do it listens to what we say whenever I call on it it comments on
things that we're commenting on just like a real person you know it's
just like a real person and it does it in the voice of my choosing through 11
labs and yeah it's this whole thing is great you're right Ryan I'm probably
representative of a whole army of people that are doing this already and it's
coming there's more and more people just like me that are realizing what they can
do is what they've always wanted to do but didn't think they were able a hundred
percent and the voice I keep meaning to pop in a space when you're using that
tool be fun have you ever written about how you built it and kind of shared all
that no no no okay you should amount of people would eat that up but yeah sitting
on that sitting on all that information but yeah I would love to have Kelvin or
Victoria who's my people have a conversation with you someday that's so
dope I love it and real quick thought and then we'll go to the next hand now
that you can pull in multiple GPTs into chat GPT conversation I think is next
level right so it probably a lot of you aware of this but some of you may not be
so now if you're if you have a chat GPT plus account you can go find a GPT that
you like and then go find another one that you like that would be complimentary
I mean imagine grim war which is an amazing developer chat GPT and then 11
labs which the voice just mentioned which does voice and you actually just
reply them to pull them into one chat and you can ask them both to help you so
we're breaking out of this little box that we're in where you have one GPT or
one AI at a time to help you and it's next level like I created six AI
advisors for founders just to be helpful like to CFO CTO investor etc and now you
can pull all them into one chat and actually have your own board meeting so
I'm pumped about that. Ani you've had your hands up how's it going?
Hey how's it going? Yeah doing good. So it's kind of like a question in my head how
different is having access to this kind of powerful technology with AI from when
people started getting into computers and what would you recommend for someone
who's actually working on like a software engineering degree or someone
who has already been like in that field like what would you recommend for
someone like that to do now like are they gonna start pursuing AI operator
kind of jobs or degrees or things like that like what are your thoughts on that?
Where does it go next? I think people should start playing with running
models locally so this is like the next logical step and I was actually chatting
with someone yesterday and said right now an AI is exactly like 1996 when you
had people that would go by the dummy's book on how to write HTML and they're
like I don't know like how do you do this and they'd make a primitive little
website and they put it up right now if you're willing to kind of and this is
what the voice said you actually don't have to you'd have to know anything you
can just ask chat tbt to help you and say I don't get it I don't get it I
don't get it until you get it and then once you once you become a pro on that
you build a couple things and maybe write a Python script locally that does
some cool stuff then you can go to hugging face and actually find an LM and
download it to your machine and run it offline and this is like the next level
right where people are starting to realize you don't need to even be
connected the internet to run a large language model and you have all these
amazing open source models like that Mistral that basically somebody leaked
one of the best Mistral LMs which is it's soda like it's it's almost as good
as GPT for and you can run it on your local machine and all that really means
is you stay you run a file it's an executable and then you go to the
command line and you just talk to it like you talk to chat gpt it's not that
technical actually but it kind of gives you that understanding that really helps
you understand what large-language models are doing and kind of go to the
next level that's my thought Ryan something you covered that I think was
really important is that you don't even need to know the right questions to ask
and I think that's the beauty of these these LMs is that they walk you through
like you can literally say I want to do this I don't know where to start guide me
through it and it takes you down that road right like I think that's the
biggest benefit to the normies to the people that don't know how this thing
works it literally walks them through it yeah and you we all of us are afraid of
looking dumb everybody no matter how how much you know how pro you are you're so
scared of asking a question that people think is dumb and now this is gone you
know you're never gonna get judged by an LM I'm pretty proud of how them I look
just gonna put that out there fun fact action CEO thinks he's smart because of
the LL in now thank you thank you action get we're all smart now cuz of
LM stuff we're dumb yet that's right they'll be like that was kind of dumb
Ryan we've talked about that before Ryan let's go to good things good to see you
how's it going hey good morning everybody yeah I have a little bit of a
different take here I mean AI is definitely gonna it already has changed
our world and in so many ways and it's gonna continue to do so like we're
definitely on an exponential curve but um I think it's important for people to
know like this technology is not new like artificial neural networks which is
the basis of all modern AI were invented in 1958 so people been working on this
stuff for decades we've had several breakthroughs in the last really just in
the last couple decades but as far as like software goes you're not gonna lose
software engineers what you're gonna lose is like the types of tasks that
engineers are doing today so you know if you're a software engineer or if
you're looking to be a software engineer like this is these are the the tools
that you'll be using but as far as like what you can get out of like chat GPT
like it's kind of garbage to be honest like it's it's really just recycling you
know the data that was fed into it so if you're trying to do something very
simple that's been done a million times yes there's there's good templates there
but as far as doing something novel and and actual innovation like you're not
gonna get that out of a chat GPT and as far as like the the commercial products
like that's gonna be the weakest stuff out there right like the actual very
powerful AI stuff like that's highly protected and you know commercial users
will get to use that very very like at the last will be the last people to use
that so it's kind of it's it's really for me like it's important for people to
know you know like all this is based on data that's fed into the models so the
most most valuable data sets like that's the most valuable assets on earth at
this point you know 100% agree Elon Musk owns X now he owns Tesla he owns
SpaceX like between those three companies like that's some of the most
powerful if not the most powerful data sets on earth so it really it just
depends on the data that you you have available to you but yeah I mean agreed
but I do want to sort of call out one thing you said and teach people
something because I think is important right so if you want to create something
and the documentation wasn't included in the ingestion in the latest model right
say it was April of 2023 was the latest GPT for ingestion then what you can
actually do is is called rag and a lot of people know this already but if you're
writing code you can use a tool like cursor and you can actually pull in
current documentation so you can apply and say okay I need to know about next
JS 14 like that wasn't a part of the model and then it actually scans the
text and pulls it in and embeds it into the model and then you can you know
write code that uses the latest documentation so that's one thing but
the other thing I'll say is I think we kind of overestimate what we do as human
sometimes and we'll say well you know AI can't create you know new ideas or new
thought or new technology but it's funny because like all we are is are is
basically llm's right so what I've done my whole life is ingest content right
whether it's written words you know from O'Reilly books or you know a class and
you know in computer science or my mom teaching me to be kind to my sisters and
then I I basically spit out the next tokens that I think are appropriate
based off of that training and I do have I think I feel like the original
thoughts but they're probably not as original as I would hope because I
basically a large language model and so I I think that's disconcerting to all of
us like we thought we could have an original creative thought and that's
what made us special but I don't think it is what makes us special and there's
a lot of things that lm's can actually do faster and better which allows to
focus on other things so just a philosophical thought for the day yeah
yeah no I mean I think that's an important distinction to like you know
these things they really can't create they can't abstract right they're
getting more and more powerful and they can give you the appearance that they
can perform abstraction but abstraction is what separates humans from really
every other species and you're right Ryan like we do just take ideas
basically there's I mean the the thing is called an artificial neural network
which is kind of confusing because it has really nothing to do with the
actual neural networks that our brains operate off of but there are you know
there are some some simple analogies that people like to use but that's
another important distinction but yeah I mean like you know humans can take
ideas and can create novel thoughts from them like we really can't do that
whereas these machines can't and the whole cut the whole like you know bet is
that at some point you will reach AGI artificial general intelligence which is
where the machine can create novel thoughts and that's like the fear that
everybody in the AI community has about the technology is that when that happens
then you know theoretically these things basically control us because they're
they're better at us at basically they'll be better as that basically every
other process so right now the only thing that we really have over the
machines is is abstraction but yeah I mean it's a hot debate that's been going
on for decades but you know I'm on the side of like I don't really think AGI is
as possible if it is it's gonna happen a long time from now but yeah I mean God
help us if that occurs I mean hopefully we're we're we're not gonna see that
anytime soon well good things and I mean I'll like that I'll push back only
because I disagree with the power of AI just insofar as yeah they might not be
capable of that abstraction but you know it's like at this point you really don't
want AI to be able to actually achieve such but what AI does is it builds these
amazing bridges for people who might have the ability to abstract but don't
have a good starting point so it's like AI essentially you know it's like yeah
it can't really generate mountains for us to climb on let's say we're a
mountain climbing can't create a new ledge for us to climb on but it can show
us how we ourselves can connect to an entirely new ledge and then begin a new
in advancing and this is the beauty of AI because it does remove a lot of gates
but you do have to have a certain level of ingenuity to learn to use it but it's
like an AI artist let's say an AI artist has an idea but they don't quite know
exactly how to you know finish and draw that idea but they put it into an AI
model and it generates something close to what they're thinking but there are a
few imperfections now they can feed it to an actual artist or someone who's
actually skill to draft graphical design and they can take that to the next level
and then if you refeed that back into AI and you know sort of give it a give it
that as new data now it's improving and now you're working symbiotically see a
lot of people want AI to just be this one-stop shop like it does the work for
me but no what it really should do is allow you to reach new heights with your
work it's like a clap like a collaboration yeah we should exist
symbiotically with it and not completely rely on it because that's the fears that
eventually we're going to outsource all human thought to AI and we're going to
outsource a lot of our creativity and those things will be become vestigial
within humans and you know right I agree with you yeah 100% thank I
appreciate it Malcolm I want to say hello to a couple of friends that popped
in the audience cats good to see you Faisal King R good to see you as well
thanks for stopping by got a couple more hands up I believe
Melly was or Milly was next so go ahead right yeah no I agree with something
that you were saying Brian how we are very similar to LLMs because actually
coming from like the perspective of being an author we're always told it's
impossible to write something original and if you look at Harry Potter and how
similar it is to the Star Wars like the original series Star Wars it's like the
storylines basically like exactly the same and it's incredibly difficult to
pull away from that and really actually write something that wasn't inspired by
something without you even realizing it and it's the same thing with like you
know we talk about a simulation and we're all kind of scratching our heads
as to whether we are because whether we are or not the similarities are huge
but I think with AI like what's his name good things was saying that it has been
coming for a long time because it is in a lot of different aspects that we don't
necessarily you know realize the effect on and I think as well with like factory
automation mixed with AI there are going to look there are going to be a lot of
jobs that we don't need to do anymore but instead of being fearful of this I
think that we should look at look at it as an opportunity to kind of move
towards projects that we actually want to work on instead of just the nine to
five grind you know just trying to pay for coffee so like I think it's at this
point it's really worth looking at what you feel in your heart as something that
you'd like to move towards if that becomes a possibility because you know
AI can really provide these options for us in the future yeah I love it is it
melee melee how do I say it yeah cool I appreciate your thoughts thanks for
sharing let's move on to Kevin I think you're next appreciate you for having me
Ryan Alex it's nice to see you so yeah no I am a copywriter so you know I use AI
almost every single day and a common misconception that a lot of people have
with chat GPT and really any other AI is out there I'm very familiar with chat
GPT I've actually got the premium version for chat GPT 4.0 as I use it for
my business my freelancing but anyway the common misconception that everybody
you know is having in you know today's world is that it's going to actually
take away a lot of people's jobs it's gonna you know ruin freelancing as a
whole and I actually really like to disagree with that and that really comes
down to what our clients are essentially paying us for now I like to use chat GPT
the best analogy I could really give is think of a calculator during math class
it's really just a tool that you are using and a lot of people's fear with
chat GPT is that they're not gonna want to hire freelancers because they have you
know chat GPT in their hands and although that might be true in extent
it's also building more businesses my point being sorry I'm just having some
brain fog that's right it was it was a tough evening a little bit yeah I've
been up since for it's almost noon but yeah no I was gonna say that you know
chat GPT is an amazing tool but people don't realize that with freelancers and
you know having chat GPT to out of disposal the reason clients are paying
us is actually for the accountability aspect and I think being able to sharpen
chat GPT to really learn from it we do really start building on top of that I
don't want to take up anybody's time I know on he's been raising her hand up
for a while I just want to give a quick summary of everything thanks everybody
appreciate it go get go get some sleep thanks for stopping by I will not
about for a while on you go ahead nice to nice to have your hand up go for it
yeah no I think an AI is actually just as good as its
prompter and I say that because not everybody can think the same way right
yes AI has its capabilities AI has the knowledge base but if the prompter
doesn't know what they're doing or you know like whatever the prompter wants to
create is what the AI is going to be able to create right so if it comes to
I think someone mentioned that there's no genuity that could come from it and
all of that but I think it's because like we are the ones who's operating the
AI and if we have a vision of creating a certain software that's super unique
that nobody has done before it's it's up to us like we're gonna be the ones
creating it so you know AI will be able to create very unique and you know like
something that has never been done before because it's the human behind the
AI that's thinking about what they want to create right man oh yeah so I think
um thank you yeah I think that's that's what it is I think the AI is like I look
at AI as a tool because even like I think Malcolm was mentioning about AI
artists like AI artist isn't just a prompter you know like it's not it's not
about just saying oh create me an image of the computer it's not that it's about
the artist thinking that this is what I want to create this is the tool that I
have in front of me just like if I was gonna go grab a canvas or a paintbrush
or grab like my iPad and use procreate right in my mind I'm thinking like this
is the drawing that I want to draw this is the this is the vibe that's gonna be
these are the colors that I'm gonna use and all of those thoughts all of that
that entire vision goes into your prompt just like if you were gonna use your
hand to go draw something right absolutely yeah so I think like a lot of
that is very like that's it's like a misconception between everyone who's
been saying like oh no AI is ruining everything and this and that I think
people need to think of AI as more of a tool than anything else I love it I like
the analogy of it being a paintbrush a tool that you wield so I appreciate you
calling out Lucas I'll go to you in one second I would just encourage everybody
to move from if so if you're in the audience and you're like yeah I've used
chat GPT a little bit I've been thinking about AI I'd encourage you to to move
from kind of consumer to builder and what I mean by that is just think about
a simple tool that you want to build that probably takes code somehow and
just say hey teach me how to build this thing and all the sudden it's like for
those of you that you know read the Bible you know and Paul had the scales
fall off his eyes and and he was on the road to Damascus you know and your eyes
are open you all the sudden will realize like oh behind the curtain where
there's just a guy pulling some cranks and moving some knobs and you can be
that person and you can actually build things like and as soon as you go from
you know just kind of chatting with chat GPT actually having chat GPT help you
build things you just go next level and then all
sudden I think you realize wow there's so many things that I could build and do
it's almost infinite so just a thought there Lucas let's go to you yeah thanks
I think I think it's definitely like a no-code tool you know AI is gonna do
what you're able you basically really amplify it to do right so if you're a
coder you just made your team you know five to ten people deep right and they're
gonna be able to get you to a certain extent meaning they'll be able to build
out smaller products and smaller pieces of products that are that are out there
maybe even a notification system or maybe pull like a couple of things that
you know you'd give a junior developer or like a mid-level developer that
isn't like the best but actually can code some stuff that's like busy work so
AI is like a no-code tool it could get you to a certain extent but just like no
code no code development tools gets it to like 80 to 90 percent and then if
you're a developer you can tie it off like you can then be ultra creative in
terms of like executing so it actually shrinkin it shrinks the time horizon too
for you so you think like software is gonna take three months to build it this
will you know this could take seven days because of the amplification and back
to education piece I think is interesting because I think a lot of
these code academies and stuff like that also like general assembly and
things like that that are out there like teaching people this is gonna augment and
if not replace some of their teaching right they're gonna give some chat GPTs
to their students to like hey here's us teaching you and here's you teaching
yourself for your homework tonight the next four hours here's your chat GPT
that then teaches you all the stuff if you have any questions you literally have
a 24 7 person answering it for you but it's really a chat GPT I think it's also
another thing that's interesting is people are like oh I'm scared AI is
gonna get angry with us and we're you know we're humans and they're gonna take
over us and treat us like slaves like dude like you're it's shocking to hear
people think that AI would think anything like us like if anything it's
gonna think very it's just gonna think differently and for us to like put have
the ego to think that it's gonna think like humans and everything thinks like
humans even an LLM doesn't will eventually surpass us like everybody's
scared of but instead it will not think the negative thoughts that we do like we
just don't know what it's gonna think so at the end of the day like I think it's
like it's a little ambitious for us to think we're actually not ambitious but
egocentric to think that you it'll think like it'll literally be like humans when
it probably will not even though it's being programmed by humans you know yeah
that's honest guy not and Skynet says different by the way just saying I love
it thanks Lucas yeah I I think people are still underestimating the power of
being able to write a couple lines of code like y'all software engineering is
not gonna go away you know in a minute like I think this is like saying I want
to build a house but I'm just not gonna learn how to pick up a hammer I really
do think everybody still needs to to learn how to code a little bit and have
chat LGBT help you do that and then all sudden you just have superpowers and it's
gonna be a long time before everybody uses those superpowers and and and this
is it is still shocking how little people really even know AI exists I mean
most of people I talked to today they like they don't even didn't even know
like they're like yeah I heard about something and and I'm thinking wow this
is wild I have like I have a team of like 10 super intelligent high IQ always
available always encouraging people now surrounding me like why would everybody
not want that so let's go to Pappy next that's just a jump in real quick that's
my favorite comeback people give me when I say hey you should be learning
programming like well that's AI is gonna eliminate that in a few years I'm like
it's the stupidest thing I ever heard no one you understands programming thinks
that AI is gonna eliminate program the people saying program is gonna be
limited is a hundred several people have never written a single line of code in
their entire lives exactly what they don't understand is everybody is gonna
be a programmer like it's not that programming goes away it's that you can
use pro the software actions tell me down but here's why like guess what
chat GPT does when you ask it to solve problems it writes Python right so it
being able to do that as a human is exactly just a tool in your belt which
makes it more important than ever to learn programming now because if you
wait until AI is taken over then your competition has increased a thousand
fold you should rather have a skill when your competition is point zero one
percent of the world or would you rather have a skill when your competition is
90% of the world like if you if your goal has anything to do with building
software or products you probably want to be building it when not many other
people can do it when you have a much bigger moat and so now would be the time
to learn programming a hundred percent I couldn't agree more do you mind if I
chime in real quick on on that comment about go J crypto awesome so I think
we're focusing on the wrong sector right programmers are always programmers
right critical thinkers solving code solving problems right that's a little
bit different but look at what the what the codes are solving that's the problem
right putting the trained models on robots to go work at warehouses now
people don't can't work on warehouses putting the those trained models as a
customer service assistant now you have call centers downsizing not 90% of the
workforce as those news articles have come out so yeah I think you know that
there are jobs that are threatened 100% right but did you know maybe not the
coder themselves but what the code brings yeah especially with pre-trained
models and and and and those you know whatever they're they're they're fine
tuning to to put over these layers so yeah fair fair point I mean we're seeing
a lot of robotics augmented by LMS that's gonna be pretty exciting to see
what happens so by the by the way everybody if you could just do me a
little favor go hit the purple bubble on the bottom right and just say tell us
where you're tuning in from and just tell us a little bit about yourself so
the purple button on the bottom right say hello and also people will probably
follow you that way so don't forget to do that so Malcolm go ahead yeah no I
wanted to add to that because yeah people typically think you know that it's
the most peripheral field that's going to be greatly affected by this but
really and you know just probably me oversharing I work in research medical
research and so one of the main things that I've seen and that I've noticed is
that a lot of the more esoteric statutes you know the laws the policies
and when it comes to you know pretty much the governing sort of the ICH
guidelines and whatnot that we typically go by and research a lot of
those are now being able to be seen by AI and so what did you really end up
having is that if this thing has already bled over into an esoteric field like
clinical research you know drug development and all of that then I just
wonder if you know because coder's wall would be able to adapt let's be honest
like you know engine you know software engineering or whatnot they'll always be
able to adapt and find a reason to justify their means but in more
inflexible fields things like the medical industry things where you know we
know even in chemistry where you know it's like almost all of the you know the
set building blocks for it have already been discovered it's not like you
necessarily like create too many new permutations yes you can you can create
new molecules and you can find out attachment points and you know develop
it that way but you know in those fields I actually feel like AI is going to have
a more profound effect on jobs and 100% especially with statutes and you know
again especially when you get into regulatory science like it gets even
scarier for you know people that work in this field and so that's really what I
think we need to kind of keep our eyes out I think you're absolutely right
Malcolm and again this is like a plea to everybody listening you know dive in and
try to use the tools to build new things because you want to be ahead of the wave
like Alex is saying you have a moat right now and the fact that you're in
this space right now and you're aware of this stuff and if you just take one idea
and say I want to build something around this that solves a need or solves a
problem or does something for me it gives you a like I would say 100x
advantage right now whereas that advantage is gonna decay to where it's
just everybody is gonna have an AGI in their pocket on their iPhone and and
it's too late at that point so just a thought there so action you've had your
hand up forever what's up man I mean I'm glad you said that because it goes back
to what you're saying about becoming creator not a user and this this
correlates exactly to a T when I tell people that you got to have a business
not a hobby a hobby something you waste time you know time and resources on a
business is how you become rich it's you know you get you get a tax deduction
for that GPT if you're using it for a business instead of just wasting that
money away that's what it is become a builder you're looking at things and I
think the you know just to help the tribe out here you're using Paul that's
that's New Testament you got to go back a little bit further so like Elijah and
the chariots of fire like there you go he prayed so that you know his buddy
over there like kitties can we see what you know is actually going on cuz my
servant isn't seeing what I'm seeing all the sense like oh we got mountains and
hills and all sorts of stuff right like it opens our eyes it allows us to see
that there's a whole world out there that we now have access to and it's like
we get a choice of just looking at it or actually going into it and I highly
recommend anybody that's listening in get in there build something as silly
as you might think it is go give it a shot I mean you got kids go ask your
kid what are you what are you imagining today what are you thinking about and go
build that like man I love utilizing my kids I mean this is a little selfish but
I use my kids imagination all the time to build stuff just for fun just so that
you know if it's their IP you technically own it steal all your I mean
technically I do it so that I can pay them you know a salary and go into a
Roth IRA so they're millionaires but there you go see speaking of kids I had
something hilarious happened today we were driving in the car and my dev and
my kiddo who's 13 he's like dad if you buy a car wash then I will work there
for less than minimum wage and and I will I work there less than my brother
will it's like whoa this is next-level brother shit like trying to undercut his
brother to work cheaper for dad is like I don't think this is healthy y'all so
you know he's gonna ask for a raise within 100% so before we go to next hand
I want to say hi to more friends out there d3po good to see a Caesar Mike
Fritz Frank Z Jackie good to see as well King our bunch of friends in the
audience thanks for stopping by okay let's go I think Pappy had their hand up
longest then we'll go to the voice after that yeah I was I was up and down
because some of the points I wanted to make got spoken about but I just wanted
to circle back around to what I think it's Melly and Ryan you both had talked
about you both had talked about I think like that the front end and the back end
so for example with any type of technology for us to wish for something
not to be developed like AI or or anything is coming from a place of fear
right and so it's it's all about the individual behind the technology and
their intentionality and how they direct it it's you know whether whether
you choose to be the person the leader or say for example the user we should
still all be you know pushing for the development of things because for
example that's on the that's on the front end on the back end the
development of AI can help like Melly was saying can help reduce the amount of
tasks that we need to do in an everyday you know workday or you know say food
water shelter any of those things data finance medical can can reduce a lot of
the strenuousness of completing these tasks that AI can do which then leads to
more of a creative Renaissance so it leads to an opportunity for culture to
actually move into a space of more abstract thinking more creativity and
more ideas to come through because people are actually under less strain
under less tension under less stress so that they can actually move into a space
of you know creating more things and new ideas new theories new new stuff that
we've never actually you know thought was possible because we're actually
coming from a different place say in our physical mental emotional spiritual
selves because technology has stepped in to do monotonous things at a way higher
level so I I personally you know I think that's there's a lot of things
that I don't know how to do but there I have a lot of good people around me
right so AI steps in as you know a tool to do that as well to say blockchain
technology as well too I love in the times where I've been able to utilize
technology that it has given me more free time to sit with myself and see
what is my direction what are the intentions of what I'm doing in my life
because so much of the time we're we're so you know focus on the destination for
say instead of the actual experience of things because we have to we have to eat
and we have to we have to eat and we have to pay for bills and we have to you
know we have pain and suffering as human beings right and yeah you want to be
move move to your to your forward foot so we're running out of time so I'm gonna
go to the next speaker if that's okay but I really appreciate you sharing your
thoughts like absolutely this is about allowing empowering people to go on their
front foot instead of their back we only have about seven minutes so we'll talk
to a couple more speakers if you've been on stage for a while and you feel like
you've made your point feel free to cycle off and we'll get a couple more up
here before we finish let's go to the voice next Ryan you touched on this
earlier and I wanted to kind of double down on it because I do believe it's the
next level is everybody in here is encouraging people to go to chat GPT
learn how to code do all that and you touched on it a little bit but eventually
you get to the next level which is wanting to run things locally on your own
machine and this is the level that I've started to get into now and one of the
things that's great about this is it gets into like crypto where crypto is
like by where it's like oh not your keys not your coins everything is you know
permissionless and that sort of thing well in AI whenever you run things on
your own machine you kind of break free from any of the walled garden that you
get that you might get from chat GPT or mid-journey for instance there's some
images in mid-journey that they'll be like whoa I don't know that we're gonna
show anything with you know cleavage or something like that though you'll run
into some type of barriers with mid-journey whenever you run with
stable diffusion on your own computer then it has it's more of you are in
control and not some entity is in control so I really think that that's
kind of the next level as well is not only learning it through some of these
you know paid services like chat GPT so being able to expand past that and
running things locally so anyway to me 102 level class yeah I love it thanks the
voice is yeah so for all of you that cycled in after we talked about that the
idea is go grab an LLM which you can download and run it locally on your
machine and you don't even have to be connected to the internet and as the
voice is saying you can mold LLM to help you do what you need to do right and
it's just like open source code where you download it you modify it to your
needs versus having to do what Bard tells you or chat GPT tells you so let's
go welcome the stage D3PO how you doing I'm going well Ryan how are you doing
good this is good to hear from you what's on your mind so I was listening to
Poppy and it gave me some thoughts I was first introduced to check DBT spending
my time in the NFT space and on X and you know the first question everyone
asked me was can you be replaced by chat BBS you know chat GPT or AI and that was
the first thought and so it made me think about what do I do and can it be
replaced totally and then listening to what Poppy said is what I've been
thinking is how do you integrate it into your work you know for instance
when I draft a petition almost every single time the first five or six
paragraphs of that petition or just filler venue jurisdiction things that I
don't have to give a single bit of thought to that you that chat GPT could
probably if I told them I'm drafting a petition for this type of code article
or something like that I think it could put it in there and that would take away
a lot of the downtime it would save my clients money when I go to you know
charge them for what I have to draft it would save them money there it would
save me time and peace of mind and I think that along the way if people start
to think like Poppy was saying how do you integrate it into your life without
thinking is it gonna replace me is it gonna do this is it gonna do that and
and use it in different ways I do think it like you guys are saying now I don't
know how to code right so I would have to be able to D3 let's fix that okay so
after this you got to go talk to chat GPT and say teach me to write a basic
Python script and then and then come back and I'll see and check in your
homework that would be fascinating and then the only other thing I was thinking
Ryan which I thought was kind of wild is my first experience of chat GPT was
really watching everybody create art in the space and I enjoyed that but which
really struck me lately since we hadn't talked in a while is the amount of phone
calls I get now from chat GPT every single day I get a number of phone calls
unless you try to wreck it unless you go out of your way to make it impossible
to talk to you it will lead you down the path to wherever it needs to get you to
have a conversation that amazing it's amazing that is truly amazing to me I
know I use I use the voice feature all the time and chat GPT plus it's just
yeah it's amazing but D3 good to hear from you all right you too man we got
three minutes left so I'm actually gonna pass it back to wolf to help close out
space but it's been a lot of fun thanks for having me I gotta say Ryan you have
to be you just went to all time on my list of moderators out here this was a
master class this past hour I know we've done a few spaces together but this was
so much fun for me to just be here and observe what's up Alex Ryan's Ryan's
amazing he's been a good friend of mine you guys are too kind don't don't talk
about me I appreciate you all but we have some amazing speakers on stage and
look at the audience right yeah he's like the nice charismatic personable
version of me I'm just kind of the asshole bully on stage he makes fun of
people but you make me laugh Alex so that's nice but wolf thanks for having us
man appreciate it yeah no this was this was super super fun let's definitely run
it back shortly I'll be in touch through the DMS amazing participation from the
audience as well I so many people commenting where they're from their
levels of AI coding experience I honestly think people are probably
generally motivated to go and learn some skills coming out of this space so you
don't take away things things like that from every single space in my opinion by
the way in a couple minutes we are gonna be talking about gaming we've got some
speakers coming up we're gonna have a whole gaming space that's happening but
yeah Ryan I'll actually turn back to you do you have any final comment on this
topic and you know call to action what should people go do after this thanks
y'all please just go right now to even the free version of chat GBT and say
please teach me how to write a very simple Python script just please do it
it and and the nicest thing is if it sounds scary then ask it to help you
please move from a consumer to a builder and you can do it literally today and
you'll be one of the most powerful people in the world so do that today
it's an assignment we're gonna grade it tomorrow but you all have been the best
thanks for being here and and everybody on stage thanks for being funny and
kind and smart and everybody in the audience thanks for being here we'll see
you next time real pleasure Alex I know that you usually have to run around this
time too did you have any other comment before I get into my gaming space here I
totally back what Ryan saying me and Ryan have had a couple conversations
around the exact same thing we say it every time which is man anyone can go out
now and builds really powerful software and if you can go out and build really
powerful software you can build a multi-million dollar business in a
weekend I'm reading a great book right now a million dollar weekend by Noah
Kagan which is all about taking a weekend and coming up an idea and just
shipping something quickly and AI has made that whole process so much easier
so if you're thinking about pick it up more revenue streams pick it up new
skills building your own business if you got that itch AI is gonna make it a lot
easier fully agree I honestly say for me you know one of the other biggest things
that I use it for that the two biggest things I use it for one is writing and
then number two is writing contracts good lord it has done so much for me in
that area so whether it's learning things coding whatever it is writing
contracts so many good use cases and people just wouldn't even believe it
until they see it how easy it is just telling it and also use a please in
there throw a pleasing you know it is trained off of people so it does react
to see things that people react to all right with that being said we're gonna
roll into our gaming space I know a lot of the panel sticking around for it take
care Ryan Alex if anyone else has to run but if you are free stick around we'll be
talking gaming care for the next hour Dave I am going to throw you a co-host
here and I am going to turn it over to you if you want to get us rolling into
it I feel like to be honest gaming is gonna be one of the areas that's heavily
affected by AI over the course of the coming years as people use it to build
games you have to stop the AI from playing the game and winning all the
games it's really taken a aimbot assist to the next level in my opinion so we're
gonna be talking about gaming and we're gonna be doing it with our friends from
the World Web 3 conference we have joining up here I know that Jason is
very partial to gaming so I think this is kind of the perfect conversation here
and if you're someone that's interested in gaming I know that we are going to
have a lot of people in that web through gaming area at the conference so quick
note and then we'll roll into it we are drawing closer to the date World Web 3
conference is March 8th and 9th in Orlando I will be there I would love to
meet some of y'all there if you are at all interested right now drop me a DM
just send me the word conference I'll get you all the info as well as a very
generous discount code that you can use I'm gonna offer this for the next three
minutes so if you're interested go ahead and drop me a DM you won't regret it
with that being said Dave let's talk some gaming let me turn the mic over to
you oh he's breaking up I do see you by the way I see samurai games in the
audience I just went ahead samurai saga sent you an invite I hear Dave just like
struggling there is it just me no okay good wasn't just me all right with that
being said then let's hop into it so action yeah I'm coming over to you to get
us rolling here a little bit what's your take right now on maybe kind of
the intersection of like how all these things we've been talking about AI and
movement is the future effects gaming as well as kind of how it all connects in
the web 3 sphere yeah I honestly it's gonna change the game completely pun
intended there and it's really to me the first area that it's gonna really make a
difference is gonna be in the development as far as web 3 is concerned I
think it's gonna speed up the process of developing games where you're gonna
see overnight somebody creating a game that would have taken weeks upon weeks
more the basic ones and then you expanded there where you go games they
usually take years are now gonna take months to create just because of the
assistance of AI but here's the fun thing because not everybody here is a
builder most of us are our gamers so when you think of a game what makes a
game fun it's interaction it's having people there especially when you're
talking about massive multiplayer games it's the fact that you have other
people they connect with well we're getting to the point where those
connections are gonna change you're you're not gonna know if you're gonna be
talking to an AI or a real person on the other side of your screen so they're
right now the barrier entry for a lot of games like to actually get you know a
foothold of any space is having people use it and like it's it's a it's a
snowball effect where the more people that come in the more people they get
and the early people they get in there and like well this place is dead and
they might not come back well now that doesn't matter if you launch the game
yesterday you could have a hundred thousand you know people playing the
game right away they just might be bots and people won't even know it and it'll
be bots very different than what we're you know used to us for a bus and bots
go on games it's not gonna be the the dumb bot running into the wall or the
expert bot that can shoot you and kill you right away no it's gonna be bots
as if they were other players that will be able to reply to your conversations
they'll be able to actually hold a conversation with you in game and soon
enough you're gonna think that you have a friend playing with you only to later
find out that was no friend at all real quick can you guys hear me yes sir oh
yeah my gosh what a nightmare what's up everybody sorry great take action I
don't mean to kind of just interrupt I just wanted to give a quick heads up I
want to make sure that taco I hope I'm gonna make sure you guys see my invite
samurai saga Marco I threw you guys all some mics I would love for you guys to
kind of come up and check gaming you guys are the experts up here just wanted
to make sure that you saw it's all you got to do just hit the request button
and we're good to go Jason what's up TWC 24 you guys we had the most killer
campaign the other day it was such a dope thing to see what we had online and
compiling everything by the way Jason so you know for you to be able to see
exactly how many of these retweets and everybody people were seeing this shit
on Facebook man so it went over amazingly so like really like job well
done to everybody that obviously helped and contributed so try to say I
appreciate it but yeah let's get back into the gaming narrative my fault
didn't mean to pump the brakes too hard Lucas go for it brother well that was
really distracting I actually forgot what I was gonna say you know I was
so we've had a to actions point it's there's no doubt you're gonna be playing
with like you're gonna be playing with AI no doubt about you're gonna think
they're there but I mean we've had this kind of AI for more than a decade that
actually responds to you and replies to you so this is not like new for us it's
just new for us as a consumer to actually take advantage of and leverage
right so you guys are now getting access to some tools that are so user friendly
and so powerful that you can actually build things and the problem the only
problem I see is that you can't really build an end-to-end software solution
with this but if you're a developer you can have help doing it right so this is
like a team of junior developers working for you you could go out and come up
with an idea and get the idea 80 to 85 percent flushed out and then find a
developer to top it off with right or you can be the developer I guess and
learn what tools you need to fix now with gaming it's a little bit tougher
just because it's very subjective but it also everything in this world runs off
of analytics right so if you feed an LLM a bunch of games of like hey this game
was very successful here's why look at the numbers look at the stats look at
the interactions of the data that you provide it it could take five or ten
games mix them up probably and build you a game a simple game of course nothing
crazy advanced because you also when you're building a game you need good
developers you need good ideas and from the good development comes good ideas
and yeah AI can help you build those but it can't actually build the entire game
for you because that stuff is very subjective for humans but using
analytics it can get you there 80 85 percent of the way there and a good game
is one that people play period right if people play it and they play it
consistently that's a good game right at the end of the day it doesn't really
matter if I think it's a good game or you think it's a good game it's the data
doesn't lie it tells you are people playing it if they are awesome that
means we have something that we could actually leverage for for more
advancement so again AI can like you could actually use AI to build stuff for
you but you're not gonna be able to use AI to build the entire game for you on
this it's like crazy simple unless you're gonna say hey you know what
replicate Tetris for me that it could copy the game but it's not gonna make a
80% chance of it yeah I really like when my junior developers come up with ideas
for me what do you think about that yeah again you know AI does get you it's
perfect for it's great for like everything right but to an extent it's
great for writing and ideation but it's not gonna finish off your it's not gonna
finish off your thread it's not gonna finish off your article it's not gonna
finish off your post it's not gonna know how to do that you'll have to as a human
go in and touch it up so it's gonna get you to 80 to 90% and you're gonna have
to go there and change it around and make it sound like intelligently written
by you and rather than AI like good example I'm on LinkedIn a lot right and
I do a lot of posting on LinkedIn and I can tell when people are responding with
this built-in AI tool that's on LinkedIn that we all have and it's like you could
just see it's just so it uses like like apostrophes and like in crazy places
right and exclamation points it you it way overuses exclamation points so as
soon as you see exclamation points and people's like responses you know it's
generated by AI I've noticed that at least I'm really good with pattern
recognition I think I'm on the spectrum a little bit but anyway so like that kind
of stuff like it's just obvious when that stuff happens and that's why you'll
always get a game or a written article or code like you'll never be able to
build an entire a hundred percent an entire business around this thing and
it's not there yet I'm not saying you can't forever but you'll get it to 80 to
85% maybe 90% of the way there and then as a developer or whatever you're gonna
be like a writer whatever you are you can get it to the the extra gap but it
saves you so much time right at the end of the day it's like hey it got it wrote
me a book now I have to go in and edit the book editing the book will take you
a week writing the book will take you six months to a year right so if it could
get you there and you can edit the book in like a week or two like that's a win
so just an example by the way I know it can't really write a book perfectly
appreciate it Lucas let's go Molly things samurai saga yeah I mean I agree
with most of what you were saying but um with book editing it's actually the
most excruciating part and basically us authors we kind of have a lot of jokes
that we make bit to me it's kind of like having a nervous breakdown that
you know you're gonna have and then you just have to recover after his editing
is so hard so I don't know how hard it would be to edit an AI book I mean we'll
see how that goes but I'm just on the topic of what action and actually Lucas
you were mentioning this as well with gaming how long it takes to create these
games there's actually they've got a an X account a game a simulation game
called paralives that basically everyone's given up on it ever becoming
a thing but they make a lot of money from patreon so I'm not even sure if
it's just a scam at this point but it I do kind of wonder if like if they chose
to incorporate AI if they could get this stupid game finished by now because it's
been like since 2019 and they're like oh you know it's coming it's coming it's
coming I'm like I don't know it's coming but like you know if anyone wants
to make a lot of money off of making a game there's a huge gap in the market
for a new simulation game like The Sims the new Sims versions are just not
great and yeah I don't know about paralives ever coming out so yeah any
developers here I'd love to see what you come up with with AI and simulation so
appreciate it Milly thank you Milly so samurai saga go for it and then I want
to chat about kind of like what we can maybe take it back a little bit to
Tuesday and what we're talking about in that space of just like like gaming in
it's like web 3 gaming and how it just needs to be fun go for it samurai hey
what's up everybody this this is actually edoc I just wanted to jump on
real quick to let you know cuz I'm John he's in he's in the courthouse right now
so he's super super busy and I am currently busy as f you know I work so I
can't jump on and talk right now I just wanted to show support with the account
get in here and be a listener if I hear something and I and I got a minute then
I'll jump on and try to talk but I'm super super busy I need to get back to
work is samurai saga gonna be at the conference I'm really excited if you say
yes please say yes say yes just say that again
is samurai saga gonna be represented at the conference
I'll let you know that okay Jason I'll let you know they're coming yeah we'll be
there at least on the part okay what's happening right now I can't hear I can't
all right you're good you're good you're good but we have Colin Papi I see
your hand I just want to say hi to Colin coming from Thor fight what's good
brother what's up what's up what's up everyone happy to be here happy to be
here I'm a little bit late into this conversation so my apologies everyone I'm
trying to catch up to contact so I can provide some decent commentary you got
it let's go Papi and then we'll come back to you yeah I guess this is the
space mode gaming so I wanted to circle around like what you were saying there
bringing it back not just about AI and gaming but what makes it a good game and
what the gaming evolution needs to look like in web 3 and I think you had
quickly made the point but you know games need to be fun games need to be
fun they need to be enjoyable 100% it it doesn't matter about too much other
things from the beginning if you can make a good game that's really enjoyable
then you can implement implement like marketing you can implement you know
some of the other tokenomic aspects some of those other things that can be
sorted out I know that there's still a lot that needs to be figured out in
regards to tokenomics properly in games where it's not just speculatory and you
know illusionary but actually has utility but I think the two major
factors to web 3 gaming right now that need to be sorted is enjoyable games
whether they are hyper casual or casual games they still have to be fun and user
retention and user acquisition so most web 3 games are not doing super well
with user acquisition if you actually have for example a good game you should
you know be able to you know implement like I said marketing so people actually
know about the game because even if it's a good product people don't know about
it then it won't be used much of the time you know there's a bunch of ship
products and they can have really good marketing and people will make a million
dollars or more even if it's a ship product so a lot of the games that I'm
starting to look at you know I'm trying to look at fundamental numbers of how
many users they have if they have an existing game already or not and who's
going to solve that who's gonna actually get the users in and one of the things
that was coming forward that I want to share really quickly that I thought was
really good we had I think it was last week tacky games was on and they I've
been talking to them a little bit and one thing that they're doing which is
really cool is they're making games that are very user-friendly for web 2 and
they're not trying to force people to come from web 2 into web 3 which is not
going to happen I don't think I think it's going to be like the effect of
technology is going to be people are using blockchain people are using AI but
they actually don't know for the most part right it's just making the
experience more accessible more affordable more enjoyable so in
reference to that you know seeing about using taking making user acquisition in
the already existing web 2 space where there's a massive amount of gamers and
then implementing behind the scenes different types of tokenomics or you
know NFTs or you know different aspects of web 3 where the users that are
invested in web 3 can benefit from web 2 actually you know implementing user
acquisition so I wanted to talk about those two things and just bring them up
as the two most important things I think there's still a lot to figure out about
tokenomics and how that works properly with games in web 3 but I think what is
most important is having an enjoyable game and user acquisition right now
super good super interesting take because I was actually Poppy I was on
the timeline and I saw Forte had posted something where he had posed the
question of if you're more if you and your team are more focused if you're you
already rolled out a white paper and tokenomics but you don't really have a
game then you're not really a gaming play like you're a DeFi project
essentially which was really interesting and it got a lot like a lot of people
like the point really was made like it that that actually hits with me so yeah
great thanks bro just like rephrase that really quickly back in sorry in six
months to a year from now maybe if you don't have a game and we're in a bull
market and there's a ton of liquidity coming in and people don't give a shit
they're investing in everything that might be a way to raise money and then
create a game but in the past two years and even still now you have to actually
have a product that you know VCs are gonna want to dig their teeth into
because you have to actually have something no one's just throwing money
around like crazy so I just wanted to make that comment but it's it depends on
where you're at in the market but typically if you have a product to show
to people that have money then you're gonna have more of a more opportunity to
to raise more money and get more support yep Colin and it will go K&G um yeah I
mean I just wanted to add on to Lucas's point here about user acquisition I'm
seeing trends here in games that were onboarding on tour subnet that a lot of
these games are actually setting up the top level of their funnels through
traditional game publishers and different gaming platforms to get their
games out there you know on the Epic Games Store some of them are even trying to
sneak them into steam by completely hiding and obfuscating the web 3
elements within the game to me I think you know Lucas's nail on the head here
that's how we recruit and that's how we start to acquire web to users good
games absolutely but good games that are being marketed towards these web to
users you know using traditional logins to log into these gaming experiences
without any kind of promise of on-chain activity user-owned assets any kind of
tokenization or financialization that's the way that we onboard these users and
it because it turns into something where once these users are into these games
participating heavily and they start hearing you know web 3 users within
those games going oh well now my skin is worth X amount or you know my acid is
worth X amount that's the way that we start to you know push them through the
funnel going venturing into an eventuality of you know total web 3
domination total web 3 domination so we're gonna go K and G then I want to we
might have I respond yeah okay I'm gonna say yeah yeah man I think I think you're
right I think also that we hide the as people say in the space I can't remember
who said it first but like hide the wires or hide the piping like that's how
you're gonna get the web 2 and I hate saying web 2 or 3 I guess it's a good way
of delineating here in this case but I think it's just people who like games
who like to play good games will play a good game regardless if it's a you know
as long as they don't know anything about NFTs the term NFT or web 3 it's
like that instantly turns everybody off right now and I'm sure you if you guys
are in games you know the influencers that are in this game that are into
games that play games a lot if they hear the word NFT they instantly cut you down
and never literally talk to you again label you as a scam to millions of
followers instantly so if you're a web 3 game stop calling yourself a web 3 game
do it behind closed doors do it to the purists but have two campaigns always
your two messages will always be we have a great game and then if you need to
talk to a purist oh it's on blockchain you know like that's it right that's
just don't put that as a marketing feature because you're talking to like
500 people with web 3 terminology and if you're talking about games and just good
games you're talking to millions of people bring up web 3 NFTs you're
talking to like 500 people again so I mean look look you know the vast
majority of these web 3 games already have the attention of the web 3
community we're a bunch of crypto nerds we're actively out there looking for new
experiences and new projects when we're talking about marketing towards web 2
users you're damn right we need to avoid the buzzwords that have painted us in a
negative light from the last cycle one thing I do want to notice and I do want
to make this you know point out maybe as an elitist web 3 user here but even
though we have really negative connotations towards you know NFT
technology or on-chain transactions or player-owned assets the core value of
what NFTs introduced into the gaming world are still intrinsically valuable
towards web 2 gamers irregardless of the terminology they put behind it look at
the secondary markets for all of these different free-to-play games that have
you know multi-billion dollar secondary markets CSGO skins the skins for all the
different roadblocks and Fortnite and all of that you know at the end of the
day I think it's about easing them in to web 3 and potentially not even using
the same buzzwords that have painted them in a negative light because the
value of what our technology you know presents presents is intrinsically
valuable towards these web 2 users they just have a negative connotation and it's
our job to really start to fix that and that starts with exactly what Lucas said
good games and high quality game you know addicting gameplay loops first
let's go Jason I'm gonna come to you after this I want to hear from mr. I
used to teach game dev right after KNG so I want to hear from you but KNG
thanks for the patience man thank you for having me so I'll just get into like
how my team does things and I think you guys like hit all the nails on the head
so basically when you log into our decks it's a zk wallet meaning that you do not
even have a seed phrase let alone the user doesn't know what their own
addresses they literally are signing in with a Google ID Apple ID or Microsoft
Microsoft account and I can tell you the only reason why we have good good
good traffic on our testnet it's just because of how simple the onboarding
procedure is we do not even in our in our dev meetings we don't even refer to
things as like web 2 web 3 we just say oh these are power users versus regular
traditional users you know like how in-depth do they want to get with the
experience and it's funny like we're we're in the middle of talking about
doing custom skins and even though the technology is technically like an NFT we
don't even mention that in our branding let alone site we say like hair click
hair sign in with your email to claim your free skin so I think it's like it's
a whole like we have become like this basis become like I hate to say we're a
bunch of nerds and much the engineers and we have built it for a bunch of
nerds and much the engineers but we need to like change our focus and say okay
how do we track masses and we have great tech it's just that how do we portray it
as user-friendly not so complicated something that a user can pick up for
the first time and know what to do because like I remember my first time
looking at all these technologies I had to go look up a bunch of like YouTube
videos read documentation white papers we need to stop that we have to like put
a big focus on UI design and user implementation you know so that's my
speed always remember your first time writing I want to go really quick just
let's go Mona cuz I have a feeling like there's something perfect like I have a
feeling I know what you're gonna say and then we'll go Jason I'm gonna come to
you hey guys thank you well for having me yeah I mean you know it's such a
great topic and it's 2024 and you know it's time to really put on the table
what you got and I'm gonna just give a little story once upon a time three
years ago four guys came together one was a former JP Morgan employee looking
for a new job the second guy was a convenience store working at a local I
think it was a 7-eleven and he was in love with making done animations and the
two other guys they had absolutely no game making experience these guys these
four guys had $10,000 a whole lot of ambition and all they wanted to do was
make a fun game they didn't care to make money they just wanted to play something
fun and have put something fun in people's hands three years later and a
whole lot of obstacles how world was born not too long ago and this game has
sold over set well first of all over 7 million people played the game just in
the first week 2 million were playing it at some point concurrently and it landed
itself the number two spot on Steam's most players list and here we are it's
2024 and people in web 3 gaming are still asking how do we disrupt how do we
achieve mainstream adoption and the paradigm shift has always happened in
one way and one way only choose an already existing game genre that already
is here and make the best version of it and then use the web 3 model whether
it's the NFT feature where there's the token omics feature just use one of the
features or all the features as your new business model and and but what's
important here in the lesson to be learned here is that when you build a
captivating IP then people will virally share it you don't have to reinvent the
wheel and the this is how the paradigm shift has happened every single time so
I just wanted to remind everyone of this story that just blew everyone away in
2024 and that was power world yeah we actually had rudo that was talking about
in our Tuesday space and he spent all his time in power of this week Jason
what do you think oh my goodness I don't even know where to take all this you
guys are hitting so many different things between the AI the assets though
the writing the programming really quick for the new people that don't know me
I'm the co-founder for the world web 3 conference here in Orlando Florida and I
spent 13 years of my career as a technology educator and I taught 3d
modeling and animation and game development so this is right up my alley
and one thing I keep hearing everyone talk about like making a fun game right
and the one thing and the one word that I think we really need to remember here
is immersion right so immersion is kind of defined into like 12 different
categories if you will one of them like it's like why gamers play games right
like we can incorporate all that web 3 models you know token economics you know
leasing set NFTs play-to-earn free-to-play and earn whatever but at
the core of every good game is the reason why we're actually playing the
game and really quickly give you an example last weekend I was bored out of
my skull I wanted to play a game I asked my wife what she's playing with her
friends she's been telling me about this game called lethal company I jump in
the game it's a game where you just hunt for items monsters chase you you run back
to base you dump it you earn money and that's basically the premise of the game
I had so much fun because I was scared on my mind and I don't really do well in
fear games but it was an escapism for me so that was the reason why I wanted to
play so that's one of those primary appeals like are we creating games that
create escapism emotional connections or how are we increasing enjoyment and
satisfaction these things have to be questioned first before we talk about
you know how we're gonna earn the most money from our players you know because
that if that's your mindset going into making a game you're gonna fail because
there's games developed by the for the gamers and then you have the games that
are developed just for profit making and we we don't want that we want games that
are gonna have immersion and that sense of presence you know as if you get
better at the game there's greater skill challenges or skills involved there's
social connections that's what I look for in games I love MMOs because I like
making friends talking to people have many people from around the world that's
really really important to me even just playing this co-op game that I was
playing with four other people you know I when I realized it was just gonna be
me and my wife playing I was like oh is anybody else joining us that was my
first question and sure enough we had other players come so that that creates
that and you know enhanced sense of connection with other players that's
that's another way that we can you know push forward good game narratives right
and some games some people just play game for narrative you know that's all
that's another thing having rich backstory you know becoming deeply
engaged with the story and not just as an observer but as an active participant
like you feel like you're involved in the story you know maybe it's just an
exploration game so you can take these different genres and models you can
mix them up and match them that's this is why I like Grand Theft Auto so much
because there's a sense of kind of all of this mixed in to this one game even
though it can be extremely inappropriate for younger audiences but you get my
point I hope you know so we just want sensory engagement first and we want it
doesn't have to be about advanced graphics or you know like this
outstanding a plus rated game we want to see a fun game first and this kind of
goes into everything everybody was encompassing before we start talking
about all of these you know ways to make money so that was kind of like what I
was thinking you know as everybody was talking because like I think it was
Lucas that mentioned this or maybe it was Poppy but you know like those old
terms that that kept popping up in the last cycle the P2E play to earn three
played and earn and if you know the NFT assets and game assets and we can
create those web to games we can incorporate this stuff and the people
that want to take advantage of token economics or DeFi integrations they will
right so yeah I think that we just again we have to focus on the player first
before we actually start trying to develop you know a game for profit and I
think if you have that mindset you can be successful and if you want to actually
learn how to start creating games and this goes into what you guys were
talking about last time with the last meeting with Python you know you you can
use all these AI tools I think Lucas mentioned it you can create a game eighty
ninety percent of the way like you know creating 2d and 3d assets using AI
systems you can have it do the writing for your characters in your backstory
you can now program using AI you know you can create these if then and or
statements an object oriented language using these AI scripts and not really
have to do much of the work that you know I used to teach my students they
still need the foundation they still need to know how to draw 3d asset but
now they can have AI is doing it for them they still need to understand if
an object oriented rate language but now they can have AI do it for them we're
reached we're in a revolutionary stage in game development especially with
these automated procedural generation tools these AI driven world machine
creators I mean that is huge you know long it takes to create a 3d asset and
and put a you know a texture on it and and now you know put it out it's it's
it's exhausting it takes teams and teams and people it takes so much time now you
have these these tools you got the AI tools built into unity and unreal you
got new videos again again system these they're all procedural generation tools
you can create entire cities in minutes so anyway I could I could go on and on
but I really you guys got me I felt like that frog meme that's like
vibrating I'm like I got so much to say I love it he's like real quick puppy I
just want to go to gap what's good I was just curious before we go to some of
their hands Jason how are you guys tying because you're obviously so involved in
this gaming world how are you tying in gaming with the conference yeah so right
now what okay there's two things I want to say we do have two very prominent
speakers in the ice in the gaming space we've got Nicholas Nicholas Hiddlebrand
from smoke IO he's gonna be do a whole blockchain gaming right of tease kind of
thing in the web 3 gaming space and then we also have on Scott Herman and he's
the VP of strategic partnerships over at wagney games and he's gonna be doing a
whole thing on web through gaming as well but here's what we and I had this
conversation with a gentleman called and Andrew wall met a Mona I'm sure
you're familiar you're guys gonna be doing a talk on stage about web 3
marketing and we my vision for the the world web 3 conference is to ultimately
turn it into the world web 3 gaming conference and because of my history in
gaming and also just so you all know understand and know I have actually been
a very prominent player in the gaming space since I was very young I started
playing like doom Duke Nukem 3d when I was eight years old sorry my cat is
visiting me and by the time I was 15 years old I was literally running the
best medal of honor allied assault crew in nobody could defeat us we were
completely undefeated we used to match make on forums before you know match
making was a thing I ran with zero degrees in rainbow 6 3 we were number one
ranked on basically all the ladders I've gone into matches where I've wiped
out entire you know entire teams not even letting my teammates get kills and
call duty for I was ranked number one in North America for three months running
back in 2008 I have a hell of a legacy in gaming I should have I should have
started youtubings but I should have done I had people telling me that but
this is my passion it's always been my passion it's very near and dear to me
and that's why we want to turn this conference and pivot into more of a
focused conference on the web 3 gaming environment and maybe we can set our
sights on GDC as our main competitor you know we can we could do it opposite
sides of the calendar and see what we can do
Poppy yeah I think that's amazing thank you Jason I think the the the the switch
from and the focus into a theme oh sorry a theme in specific in web 3 and
gaming I think is really really important in many ways I mean the
obviously the the gaming industry in web 2 is is absolutely huge and you know
circle around back to my initial points you know what Thor 5 was talking about
and reiterating as well too yeah Jason had mentioned the immersion aspect to
gaming and we're talking about gaming being enjoyable and then that leading to
user acquisition and retention so we got a look at the human experience and see
like what actually captivates people so we're talking about you know in the last
bull run like play to earn I worked for eight months on a Solana development
back just at the end of the last bull run into the first part of the bear
market and is a game on Solana called bloom verse and so that we I keyed this
instead of us calling it a play to earn game it was play to enjoy and so the the
factor of enjoying the game is super important but why do we actually enjoy
games it's it's actually because they have an emotional effect on us they they
they have some type of effect that's more than just where are we going to get
to oh I want to earn this thing which is a dopamine effect so the dopamine
loop is super super important you know I play and I earn this thing and now I
feel better right but the actual enjoyment aspect of the game itself and
the emotional connection whether that's through storyline whether that's
actually through like Jason was talking about like you know an endorphin rush
from a fear-based game or whatever we have to actually create games that are
actually having an emotional effect on people where they're tapping into
certain centers within them that are creating an attachment to coming back
and playing the game more and consistently wanting to play the game
and creating narratives around it and getting other people involved so I think
that's one thing is looking at the effect of what how it has what what it
has on people and actually having developers that care about their
customer base not just care about profit which can be challenging because so many
people think that that's what success is is making profit but if you're you know
bettering people's lives and you know making them a little bit less stressful
and you know creating a product that you enjoy that you can ship out to others
that they're going to enjoy as well too and then of course you can make money
from it then that's great but I just wanted to circle back around that because
I think that a lot of the time we lose the actual the essence of you know the
moment and actually appreciating something and are so focused on the
destination that we end up creating shit and garbage and it doesn't actually help
people right so yeah I just wanted to touch on that point again and think it's
you know important to start to look at the aspects of whether it is whatever
products were developing whether it's gaming or whatever how is it going to
affect a person and create an emotional connection with them and better them in
some way or another because then I think those are going to be the ones that are
long-standing I think of like Halo or Diablo or you know think of the sins or
you know what was it what was that for some of the n64 games that were in the
very beginning like 007 and those they actually had a strong emotional effect
on people and we still play them today and we still remember them today as
legacy games right so if we can look at actually recreating you know not
recreating but looking at those legacy games and seeing what type of emotional
effect they created and then in the background like I said in the beginning
implementing tokenomics and other aspects that are gonna better the game
one more point Amazon everybody uses it no one knows about how they do their
shipping and receiving what type of technology they have a data storage any
of those things no one gives a shit about that some people do but the
majority of people that use the product don't care about it at all right they
just use the product because it's super user-friendly the UI it's very well
known it's super affordable and you get your shit quick right so if blockchain
technology and AI can actually be implemented into gaming without people
knowing about it then that's great as well too because people don't generally
care they just want things they want to they want to create stuff they want to
consume things they want to enjoy things right and I think a lot of that in web
3 will actually be sorted out when we look at the effect of how you know web
3 in many ways and blockchain technology started with this stick to fight the
financial crisis to to fight traditional finance and had this like really strong
rooted morality in it and I think that that's important but if people want to
make money and people want to move forward and get as much of the
technology out to people as possible some of those storylines that we're
holding so tightly onto that no one else cares about we have to be able to keep
those in our hearts and and and then just allow for the technology to be out
there and maybe not be so front-facing and allow for it to be more utilized so
people can use it and it can further things but so it's it's kind of like our
own psychology looking at ourselves like oh you know decentralization you
know has to be at the forefront or people need to know what's going on no
they really don't we can still benefit from the technology being used because
we're creating it but people generally don't need to know what's going on to
use it or adopt it happy to your point just real quick to your point because I
I went down the rabbit hole with pal game and I really wanted to find out and
exactly what these guys did and they interviewed the CEO and they asked him
they said you know what was your whole concept about putting guns in a game
similar to Pokemon and he said well when when we wanted to build the game we said
to ourselves we want to build something that's not just locally enjoyable but
globally enjoyable and when we thought about United States we thought Americans
like to shoot things so we decided to put guns in in the hands of our
characters and he literally said that and so you know not to get tunneled
vision but I mean you know to think what do people enjoy globally not just
locally and you really don't have to reinvent the wheel the truth is when it
comes to video games people love to race people love to blow things up people
love to go down you know caves and holes and I mean it just it's the same
thing just make it better make it better and you know to your point blockchain
doesn't you don't have to write on the blockchain you write on that concept and
the blockchain then becomes secondary and something that people don't have to
know about America hide the wires taco yo what is up my apologies a little late
to the show I had problems connecting great space I agree with a lot of what
was said but I'm going to push back just for the purpose of entertainment I think
it's it's useful so I hear this term a lot in a lot of spaces especially this
year and that's hey just create a fun game but my pushback is this fun itself
is incredibly subjective what you might consider fun I might consider incredibly
boring and what I consider fun you might say hey that's just a cocaine-laced trip
down a dark alleyway that nobody wants to take I think the objective of me
trying to go down this conversation is more to the point of games our products
your ideal game is something that lands really well with your target market
that's I think the trick to all of this who is your target market who is the
ideal user or the type of user you're building this for and how well can you
land that to that audience and that's every game that's most products in the
entirety of the digital space or whatever space you want to look at and
they usually the the mishap happens is when you don't really know that end user
well enough or your product doesn't fit their needs well enough and we might
call that fun games you might call it immersion we might call it whatever you
want to call it but really that's that's where it misses the mark a second I
think talking about pal world or making a comparison between pal world and web
3 probably isn't too fair and I'll give you an example for pal world to be as
successful as it has we haven't seen anything like this in the last 10 years
so it is an exceptionally exception within the gaming space we probably
won't see another story like this for another 10 years so taking that sort of
example and bending it and trying to apply it to web 3 and saying why can't
we do this in web 3 probably isn't fair I think you're taking something from a
industry that's been around for decades and applying a really really good
success story from that into an industry that's really only just getting his
socks on as we speak there is a little bit more but I'll rant on that later
Jay go for it man yes no and I agree with Taco and I think that's kind of what I
was saying in the beginning it's important that the fun factor is there
first and then we can do these integrations right now I was looking into
several ways web 3 or mostly AI is kind of like innovative like and can there's
like several ways we can layer it into our games and one of the ways I was
looking at was through dynamic NFTs and I know that some of us cringe at when we
hear NFTs or you know like we just in the gaming scene we just don't like to
hear these these you know web 3 terms but we can interweave them very cleverly
and reward our players just for using them right so we can like AI can be used
for evolving NFTs based on your game interactions like like if you have an NFT
representing a character or an item maybe it's just a pet or something that
follows you around or something like that like changing its attributes or
appearance based on like in-game use or achievements and it's not like something
we've never seen before but now it just happens to be an NFT right we can have
decentralized AI agents you know we can like AI characters or systems they can
operate kind of autonomously on a blockchain network nobody needs to know
that's happening but it can but this can lead to the more decentralized and
unpredictable gaming experiences you know and it's again it's not something
that hasn't happened before it's just now tied to a blockchain and those AI
agents could own assets train and interact with players independently too
one of my more favorite integrations is the smart contract integration so like
for example AI can interact with these contracts to automate certain in-game
events or transactions AI could trigger smart contracts based on player
achievements or in-game events and reward players accordingly that's and
then of course you can get you could deep dive into player behavior analysis
entire economic models if any you remember maybe Second Life you know that
got let's go yeah that game we've got terrifying in my opinion but um you know
like what player behavior analysis you know you can analyze player data on the
blockchain and you can personalize game experiences provide insights for the
game developers too and also obviously change the game dynamics based on you
know what they're experiencing that that data can also be transparent be
immutable it could also you know can create accuracy just for analysis and
data and information and feedback your economic modeling in games with complex
among economies like who remembers a world of Warcraft you know people have
been selling that gold since the games inception anarchy online same thing you
know that we had all these MMOs where people will actually sell they'll farm
the gold to sell them now why Eve Eve online right I mean these battles cost
tens of thousands of dollars every time a ship is destroyed right why aren't
these companies taking advantage of that and creating an ecosystem within their
you know their their own business model right and AI can help model and
stabilize those in-game economies especially when they're tied to real
world cripple cryptocurrency values and and you know creating value for
players I'm not sure how people feel about those like kill-to-earn type
games it's like you know if I murk someone and call duty and then I make a
buck or whatever or maybe I make a token something like that I'm not sure how I
feel about that for gambling because I don't really like that addictive side of
things and I think that can create a lot of problems but it is a business model
is it is a gambling or is it skill-based I mean if you're playing against me
you're gambling let me tell you but we can also enhance security you know AI
can monitor blockchain transactions player interactions they can detect
fraudulent activities they can ensure fair security gaming environments and
also punish and you know players are used like I see this a lot in Roblox my
son plays it I play with him all the time you know if a player types a bad
word it's it's kind of blocked out using hashtags or pound signs and then
you know there we could actually use smart contract integrations or a
blockchain to enhance that type of security because I do see these players
that do get around that of course you have interactive storytelling we can use
AI for dynamic storytelling where the narrative evolves based on the
collective player decisions recorded on the blockchain there's so many ways we
could do this and we just have to essentially I hate to say it like this
but we in a sense have to hide it from those web 2 gamers they don't even
realize that they're playing a web 3 game that's actually implementing this
technology so taco taco taco taco talk right there
bs your golden taco my apologies microphone bugged always damn it um while
you were speaking you you helped me just unlock something a comparison and I'll
just thought I should speak it out loud 20 years ago we saw the internet and a
bunch of online tools social media platforms essentially amalgamate
entire television production studios into one person so you are now not only
the production office the director the scriptwriter the artist and makeup
artist the celebrity you are all of those things condensed into one person
we called it a streamer or an influencer or a youtuber essentially you
were a one-man production studio a television studio and I think you're
going to see that within the gaming space now with a bunch of these tools
and creative tools and simplification tools and AI in which you're you're
going to see a lot more individuals come along and essentially become entire game
publishing studios and game design studios but as a one-man operation it's
just getting this way more and more as I look into tech gaming is no different
I'm just seeing an amalgamation down to one person replacing entire companies
and it was just as you were speaking I thought hang on this of course a really
cool comparison from the previous decades when it came to content and
publishing yeah absolutely I mean the game designer like I mean technically
they're responsible for the gameplay the rules of structure right the story of
the game but in a sense now what we one person can be the artist one person could
be the animator you can have them to be the programmer you can do it all right
the level design because even the sound engineering the audit like writers
narratives it's all you have everything you need and if you need QA you know
quality assurance people that actually beta test the game that well your
community is gonna play your damn game you know I was talking to Andrew Wall
yesterday and he was telling me about a conference he went to where a lot of the
talks about just web 3 in general and these different spaces you know and
different topics and within web 3 like you know crypto NFT metaverse you know
whatever he said that the gaming web 3 gaming and the metaverse talks there
were standing room only there's a ton of interest you know if you need if you if
you create something people want to see what you've developed right and if even
if you don't know how to UI design you can probably hire someone on Fiverr you
know so you're absolutely right you'd be essentially become the producer you the
director the tester you know you just need to make sure that you're
accepting feedback too because that's really really important Jason you said
something earlier that kind of resonated with me you said NFTs in gaming and you
know a few years ago American Express if some of you recall did something very
unique they put art on their cards and all of a sudden everyone everybody
wanted to have the new American Express that had an artist's a painting on the
card and guess what American Express jacked up the yearly for that particular
card I think they doubled it I think it was like $800 to own that card and
people were spending it because they wanted to have that card with that
design on it and I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about nobody
cared about how American Express keeps those are transactions how they keep a
ledger they didn't even they don't care about what was behind that card they
just wanted to have that card because it was a status symbol and so going back to
your you know analogy with the NFTs in the game I think is the same concept and
I hope that in 2024 we see NFTs as digital art and collectibles or you
know a channel that we will have exclusive exclusive access or as a part
of our identity or it supports a creator or and or a cause rather than it's
something that's attached to a blockchain and a currency because at the
end of the day why why do people collect because a part of it is a status symbol
right and I think we need to stick to that because it's always worked again
I'm going back I don't mean to repeat myself but the paradigm shift is has
always is the same thing it doesn't change so we don't have to reinvent the
wheel quick question quick question madam rhetorical question potentially but
did American Express give any of that jacked up fees to the artists you know
what I know that artists did very well but to be honest with you I don't know
what they collected I mean that card did so well and I for you guys yeah there
was two different versions of it yep it was for the platinum one I got that off
and I'm like why am I gonna pay this money to get the design I was curious
cuz like that would actually be like you know I think it's really cool that they
can bring like I believe that art in any place is super super important I spent
many years producing mural festivals in the east coast of Canada and you know
putting art on walls and stuff like that and I think that's cool that they'll
put art on something like you know that didn't have art before but it's just
like is the actual artist benefiting if it's like individualized art and that's
I think that's a massive factor but I figured it might be rhetorical because I
figured that they probably weren't but yeah I really hope so because I know
American Express banked with that idea but the point is like nobody cares about
transactions they just want that card because they want to pull it out and
show it to everyone and so the concept is the same here in a way yeah 100% I
guess like the last thing that I'll say as well too is like if we can actually
look at ourselves because we spend so much time on our phones and spaces in
web 3 in chats and discord telegram all these different places and it takes up
it encompasses a lot of our lives and we think that it's a lot bigger than it is
but it's still very very very small it's still very very new and most people
don't have an appetite for web 3 or crypto or blockchain or any of those
things and I think that it's something that we have to reflect honor it within
ourselves that I think will drastically excuse me I think we'll we'll generally
start to happen as the industry goes forward of why we're doing this you know
and you know is it is it because we're saying fuck you to trad-fi is it because
we're trying to prove a point or any of those things or is it to generally make
our lives better and other people's lives better we have to look at
ourselves and see because I think this we've seen over the past since last
bull market into this bear market a shifting a narrative around people
talking about web 2.5 and how we can accept instead of trying to force people
to onboard into web 3 which is pretty much impossible for most people it's
very challenging you know look at how we can actually make it you know more
accessible for web 2 and more beneficial for web 2 and maybe that is
just us looking at ourselves more and more and seeing okay like why are we
doing what we're doing and generally for for me I can say because I want more
freedom and security is a big reason why I do a lot of the things that I do and
is am I getting more freedom and security if I feel like I need to
teach people about these things that maybe they don't care about they just
want to play games so I think that's a super important thing for us to look at
ourselves as we move forward in an industry because we're creating
something new so it comes from us web 3 gaming
sorry get a call coming in we got to wrap up
yeah I got like like 30 seconds because I do got to get off here a minute or two
before the top of the hour but yeah I'll give you final comment here Thor if you
want to get in like for a few seconds oh it wasn't anything particularly
important I was just adding on there that you know they're very surely web
3 gaming is the natural evolution to the gaming
industry however I don't think we need to be fixated on all the different
you know ways that we have to look internally I think we have to focus on
producing high quality products we have to focus on producing high quality
experiences and let those experiences serve the may as the magnet to encourage
more web 2 users to venture into the world of web 3
at the end of the day I think the vast majority of web 2 users and web 2
gamers and I know we hate to say web 2 and web 3 but
the traditional gamers out there hold a lot of value for what the
you know for for what our infrastructure and what our technology can do
they don't like the negative connotations they have behind it and the
only way that we're going to be able to change their mind is with direct
experiences that really you know demonstrates to them that
the web 3 gaming world is you know evolved significantly and we're very
clearly the next generation you know the next generation
of the technology and values that are found in web 2 technologies
perfect all right I gotta close this one out
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all these great speakers uh with that being said Jason any final comment from
your end no I appreciate everyone thank you so
much I was going to touch on that you know self-expression
through those NFTs that I think meta yeah you had
mentioned that that makes a big difference and when people can
customize their personality and identity right
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I've really enjoyed that so thank you all so much
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