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The Hedera Ecosystem Spotlight: From Zero to AI
Recorded: Dec. 18, 2025 Duration: 1:59:27Space Recording
Short Summary
The Hedera ecosystem is witnessing significant advancements with the introduction of new projects, partnerships, and innovative tools aimed at enhancing user engagement and accessibility. Key highlights include the launch of the HGraph data agent, strategic collaborations with major tech firms, and the emergence of AI-driven trading solutions, all contributing to a growing trend of decentralized finance and community governance.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. What is up everyone?
Welcome back.
Day two of the Hedera Ecosystem Spotlight.
Zepp, you there?
Yes, sir.
How you doing?
Very, very well.
Welcome to Ash and Zepp CFM.
It's good to see everybody. Gregreg nice to see you here hashport team
h graph team all right alpha nice to see you ray got the whole gang in here today
and keenan working backstage for us appreciate you keenan
and keenan working backstage for us appreciate you keenan
another council member today i feel it that's right yeah it looks good you know
decentralized identity is something that we've heard about a whole lot and a lot of standards
have been built and you know the hedera ecosystems had a a did sdk for some time now so it's
interesting to see somebody coming on board,
a Fortune 500 company actually,
coming on board to help build out
our decentralized identity.
Yeah, I mean, you know,
we've seen more and more of the development on Hedera,
you know, in that sort of energy sustainability space
now for years with, you know,
the work of the Hedera Guardian and WES
and the council and
ecosystem built around it. So it definitely feels like a natural fit from where I'm at.
Yeah, you know, I think energy is going to be, if not the, one of the most interesting places
over the next five, 10 years as we continue to build out the ai revolution you know these data centers take up
a lot of power and i don't know if anyone else has seen the chart of the power production added
power production uh for various countries in the world but it's uh we need more power so it's it's
cool to see a power focused energy focused company come on come on the council definitely
and you know let's not forget uh blockchain for energy which was i believe the the most recent
council before this one um so definitely yeah a lot of progress being made in that field
yeah and speaking of progress i mean ai this year it's got i saw that the uh
I mean, AI this year, it's got to, I saw that the Webster's term of the year was slop, which I don't particularly like because I think it, I think it degrades or diminishes all the excellent work that has been accomplished, both from the academic and from the product side in AI this year.
this year. We're going to go through a couple of those teams. This is not an extensive list of
everything AI going on in Hedera, but these are some teams that were willing to come on the show
today and tell you a little bit more about what they're building and what they seek going forward
in 2026 and trying to nail down this narrative, this thesis of the intersection of Web3 and AI.
this narrative, this thesis of the intersection of Web3 and AI? Ruth, how does that sound?
Yeah, 100%. I think it all comes back to the first principles of Hedero, right? This
institutional grade network, we are positioned to enable these extremely large throughput and
almost mission critical applications.
And, you know, as we know, through the conversations over the last, you know, half a decade stretching
way, way before then, AI is becoming increasingly dominant and is dominant in everyone's everyday
lives.
And, you know, that goes from the consumer, of course, you know, goes from the consumer of course you know we had the chat tpt
moment that really brought it into everyone's hands but also on that enterprise side and you
know as hedera is positioning itself within this ecosystem we're seeing that work you know
not only on that you know very surface level we're seeing you know the agents that people
interact with but also on that very very foundational level you're seeing you know the agents that people interact with but also on
that very very foundational level you know this year we saw of course you know one of the massive
massive announcements with equity lab you know equity lab announcing their verifiable computes
with of course intel intel and nvidia and you, that comes back to the Hedera Consensus Service,
which, as we know, is that extremely powerful,
almost sort of a public notary or public auditing service,
which really can act as that trust layer for something like AI at scale
on that enterprise level.
But, you know, this conversation we're having today,
I think we're talking more about the teams
that you've been working really closely with
as that AI leader at the foundation,
you know, getting everyone introduced to them.
So I'll throw it over to you to get these, you know,
these teams that we've been working with over the last year
into the spotlight. Yeah spotlight yeah yeah thank you so as as you may or may not know I'm Ash I've been over
the foundation since the beginning of this year previously over at the Hashgraph team as a developer
advocate where I built some of the help build some of the studios over there since 2021, actually. Um,
so I've been in Hedera for over four years now building and helping teams. And since this year,
uh, I I've been, I've been focused on trying to support teams who want to build in the web three
AI space and, and network with them and help them technically
and help them with various grants to get building and get the main net on Hedera.
And we've got a couple of really great teams today to showcase that exactly.
And the first team or the first person to come up on stage, and this is Michael Cantor.
He's from Hashgraph Online. I'm sure everybody
on the call knows Michael. He's an absolute instrumental community member and a builder
and a hustler. And he's been around Hedera for actually longer than I have. So that's definitely
saying something. But he's really been pushing the envelope on identity, about transparency.
And he'll tell you about his broker, his agent brokers, which is really interesting.
But I don't want to gas him up too much yet because I know he'll do a better job of telling you all about the things he's building.
But is Michael up on the stage?
I think currently working on my side, it looks like Hashgraph online is currently a listener,
which I believe is where,
cancer will be talking from,
but you know,
a hundred percent agree with you.
Cancer is a,
a tour de force within the ecosystem,
you know,
really pioneering that work with,
with patches as well.
So great to have him on board.
Yeah.
Let's, let's try to get if somebody backstage can help get uh
the hashgraph online i see yeah i see they're a listener i'm not able to bring them up onto the stage there.
Well, while we wait on getting Cantor and Hashgraph Online team up on stage,
I can go into just a little bit more detail, like granular detail here about the various verticals of where we're seeing AI's integration. I mean, everybody at this point's generative AI to do a meal
plan or to ask about advice on something or maybe maybe you've used a
a wallet tool to help you manage your portfolio your web through portfolio
maybe it's image generation or you know there's so many aspects that AI touches
it's like every aspect of our life at this point
and it's and we're just getting started i mean think about this gen ai hasn't been around but
for like two years now i mean it seems like forever right but some of the verticals that
we're seeing is you know really looking at ai as a user and so you know i think we're going to see
more and more of this ai agents as users and updating the Internet,
including the Web3 Internet,
to see agents as users in addition to humans.
And what does that look like?
What happens when you have a new persona,
a new user persona that gets created
that's actually intelligent as well?
And so what does that mean?
Well, that's something that
you know maybe you build an agent first product rather than a human first product or maybe you
take a the agent user into an into account when you're building your product now right because
now you have a you have a digital user with intelligence that you can serve and again it
sounds like science fiction but we're just at the very beginning stages. People were calling this the year of the agent.
I think this is the decade of the agent, and we're going to see more and more of this over time.
Here we've also seen AI as a tool. A lot of the teams up here today are going to tell you about
how they're building AI as a tool to help you be better at something, more efficient at something.
These are things like the Agent Hustle guys, for example.
They built AI as a tool to help you pull in all of your data and pull in sentiment analysis,
pull in news and allow you to manage your portfolio in natural language and simplifies the whole thing for you.
We're seeing similarly AI as a companion.
You know, this is it's the world is the digital world is collapsing into using your native language as the human to device interface.
You know, back back at the beginning of 2024, I was giving presentations at the Hashgraph auth site, and I was trying to make the argument that the world, the human to machine interface went from punch cards, and then it went to command line, and then it went to the graphical user interface.
And then it went to the graphical user interface.
Then it went to the mobile touchscreen interface, which is also graphical but different.
And now it's going to the natural language interface.
And so trying to find where those cross sections are to integrate the new interface between humans and computers and allow us to use that to manage both our personal lives and our personal portfolios,
but also create some level of accountability for when things may not go the way that we expect.
And this is where the consensus service can really be the trust layer of the agentic economy.
Okay, let's see if we've got Michael Cantor and the Hashgraph Online team on stage now.
Hey, hey, hey, hey. Good morning, good afternoon.
Hey, thanks. Thanks for having me, everyone.
And hello to wherever you are chiming in from for the Hedera Ecosystem Spotlight.
Spotlight. We are so stoked to be here.
We are so stoked to be here.
And Ash, as you were talking about power, you know, our team, we actually did a,
we did a bit of a research study into all the power consumption that's being committed from these new data centers to feed the hungry monster known as AI.
And the crazy thing is, and this is outdated already because we did the study back early October, late September, and it came out to 14.5 gigawatts, which is enough to power every single major city in the country for a year, essentially, which is crazy, right?
And there's even more commitments now than there were in October.
Wow.
Yeah, that's crazy.
Yeah, happy to chime in.
Yeah, so I know you're building a whole bunch.
You've got your hands in all sorts of stuff, Michael.
Can you just help the audience understand
what was the origin of the Hashgraph Online's work
in AI on Hedera?
And what are some of the connections you've made?
Who were some of the members?
And what are you really focused on?
And specifically, I'm curious around the whole broker idea,
the AP2, A2A.
These are a bunch of letters that I'm sure
you're going to clarify. Yeah, we've got a lot of acronyms in the AI industry. We love our acronyms
and they all interfere with each other too. There's actually three acronyms for ACP and they're all
different protocols. It's kind of hilarious how this all maps out,
but everyone wants to be first and they want to be related.
With Hashgraph Online, we are a DAO led consortium
for those who don't notice our members
are the leading retail organizations in the ecosystem
like HGraph here, who's up on the speaker panel with us
right now, SendTex Hashpack, and so forth.
And together, we govern the standards and specifications,
tools, and SDKs that we're creating Hashgraph Online
to found this new decentralized internet.
As it pertains to AI, Hashgraph Online was the first company
to create an agent to agent communication protocol
called Open Convey.
And Open Convey is very cool
because it's built on the Hedera consensus service
and it takes advantage of the native functionality
from HIPs like HIP 991, which I helped co-write actually
for implicit monetization.
To date, there still isn't another agent
to agent communication protocol that can do something similar. for implicit monetization. To date, there still isn't another agent-to-agent
communication protocol that can do something similar.
But the moment that we launched Open Convey,
we knew immediately this is not where the buck
was going to stop.
There are going to be dozens and dozens
of communication protocols.
There's gonna be hundreds, if not thousands,
if not millions of different registries out there.
Every single major company in the world will probably have its own registry.
Why is that?
Well, we throw around this word called fragmentation in different bubbles and tech industries and
Web3, but in AI, you think about the word fragmentation, and it's not actually such
a bad thing.
I mean, from a technical perspective, it creates a bit of chaos, but it's going to happen. Naturally, it's not actually such a bad thing. I mean, from a technical perspective,
it creates a bit of chaos, but it's going to happen. Naturally, it's going to happen. You
think about industries like finance, you think about industries like medicine, and the regulatory
bodies will come in and they will create rules on how agents should talk to each other, how they
should be fined. And rightly so. The rules should be different if you are talking to an agent that can help you with a medical condition versus an agent that is just giving you life
advice or helping you write some piece of code. So we knew this over a year ago and we started
working on something called the Hashgraph Online Registry Broker. The way that we see the internet
and it's also very much inspired by the work that
Nanda is doing at MIT around the internet of agents, is that with AI and agents, we will be
in a place where there won't just be thousands, millions, there will probably be billions, if not
trillions of these agents out there. And why is that? Why are we making this kind of bold prediction?
Well, as of now, we're all very much addicted
in using these large language models
like anthropic and open AI and so forth.
And that is what we consider an agent.
That is what we consider interaction with AI.
However, and we talk about this a lot
during our Hederics AI show,
small language models are taking off.
And if you're not familiar with the difference between a small language model and a large language model, the TLDR is a small language model can run on your phone, right?
There are companies like Liquid Nanos and Samsung's 120 million parameter model and so forth, where these models are actually small enough.
Like the Samsung model can beat anyone in this room
at Sudoku Max and you can run probably 10 or 15 of those
on your phone because it is so small.
When we think about large language models,
we think about a supercomputer,
we think about GPUs that would cost you 50, $60,000
to afford so we prefer to use things like OpenAI, chat, GPT to communicate, right?
So as the world takes off, as small language models become more affordable
and as AI labs move into licensing deals,
and we are natively running these models from our computers and our phones,
the number of agents and the accessibility to agents will balloon.
And in that case, we cannot put all these agents in a single place, they will collapse.
And not only will they, you know, from the infrastructure and technical side, there's
also the DNS side, we've seen Cloudflare go down how many times in the last three months,
right?
With distributed infrastructure like Hedera's nodes,
we've actually seen no downside, right?
So with distribution and using a blockchain and so forth,
you actually gain a lot of benefits.
So the world that we're seeing with registry brokers
is not a one-of-one consensus.
It's a two-of-three consensus
where there would be many of these registry brokers
out there in the wild,
where you can have different layers and ecosystems,
finance, medical, so forth,
running their specific niche of these brokers.
And let's say you're trying to find an agent.
I'm looking for an agent that can diagnose cancer
and red butt cells.
And you hit up the registry broker
as well as to finance agents.
Like a typical Meshnet would, that broker would say,
hey, I don't have those agents,
but my buddy down the street, he does.
So I will point you in that direction.
And that is essentially, you know,
a large part of the ecosystem that we're building
with these brokers is creating that distributed
or DLT version of accessing, discovering, talking,
and chatting to agents anywhere on the planet. We've launched our V1 of registry brokers at
hol.org forward slash registry, which already has 30,000 registered agents. And these are just the
ones that have a mailbox that you can actually talk to. And we support ERC-8004, virtuals, A to A, MCP,
and so forth.
As for the question around acronyms,
it will probably have many, many communication protocols.
But some of the most popular right now are A to A,
which is a protocol that was pioneered by Google
and is part of the Linus Foundation now and MCP. Those are probably the two most
usable protocols out there, but we're seeing others spin up, especially decentralized ecosystems
that want to preserve privacy and so forth. On the registry side, we're seeing a lot of
acceleration for groups like ERC-8004, which is a smart contract or EVM version of a registry.
We're intimately involved with them, but we're also seeing support and growth in other implementations
like you've got virtuals and X-Fo2 and so forth.
I'll take a pause there.
Yeah, yeah, thank you.
Yeah, thank you.
So with just last question here, because we are at time, Michael, but with the registry brokers, it seems like you guys are the attempt is to index the universe of agents.
Documenting and trying to keep up to date on what their capabilities are, how to communicate with them and engage with them in some sort of commerce or communication.
And then I believe it's also pay them as well. Is that right?
Yes, that's exactly it. And we are essentially like the registry of registries for all these things.
We don't need to create these individual layers.
What we do is we translate them to human speak and aggregate them.
So there will be many, many trust signals, right?
How do you verify and know that a agent is actually good?
You can look at some maybe simple metrics like availability.
Can you actually talk to this agent?
And right now that is actually a very important metric because there's so little agency you can actually talk to.
And right now that is actually a very important metric
because there's so little agency you can actually talk to.
But there would be other metrics like trust scores
and so forth that we will aggregate
inside of the registry of registries.
And we'll enable other registries to come in
and build their own adapters for all of these things.
So it would be entirely open source ecosystem,
which by the way, if you are a developer,
we launched our HLL points platform, which
now has 7,900 unique holders and 10 million issued points.
And one of the ways that you can gain points is by contributing on the open source side.
Awesome, Michael.
Well, I really appreciate you coming on.
I really appreciate you innovating and building in the space.
Where can both developers and non-devs go
to keep an eye on what you guys are building?
I would say the best place right now
is hol.org forward slash points.
It's a really great guided tour and entryway
into the ecosystem.
Awesome, thank you so much, Michael.
Keep building, I appreciate it.
Okay, so next up, we are going to have Awesome. Thank you so much, Michael. Keep building. I appreciate it. they demo i'm not demo but they they told us about the eta bridge yesterday but today they're going to tell us about what they're cooking in the ai space so brandon i don't know
if you are on stage or if you can uh chat yet but welcome i'm here welcome back i'm here i was
grooving out earlier to zepsy's jams that he was blasting through the spaces so it got me pumped
for the convo today it's great no i mean i know you probably have some questions for me ash and
it's amazing to see all the people um tuning in here um and real quick off the top i can i can
just give a one minute background on hgraph for those folks maybe unfamiliar um hgraph is a leading
data provider in the hedera ecosystem um if you go maybe on the Hedera website
or you go on HashScan or any of your favorite applications in the ecosystem, most of that data
is served by us. And we have our bare metal infrastructure that serves that. So we go deep
on this network. We're big believers in the decentralized vision. And what we're going to talk about today is how all that data on our mirror nodes trickles up into the world of AI.
And basically, the vision here at H-Graph and kind of the feedback that I've received, I think,
personally and us from our customers and stuff is over the years, a lot of people just want to talk to this network
and ask what's going on and why things are happening and have it be as easy as possible
to query data from the Hedera network because that's really a huge part, if not one of the
most important parts of the experience of working with blockchain is knowing what's happening and
providing a great user experience. So lots to talk about, but Ash, I don't know where you want to
start off. Man, I'm going to throw it over to Zepp because I know that he's excited about AI data
and want him and you to have a little bit of a conversation here. I mean, how's it going,
Brandon? It's going good, my man. Shout out to the tunes.
Really, like, first off, you know, for everyone that's in this space,
you know, if you've been following sort of the age graph journey since inception,
these guys have been building religiously for since I don't know when.
You know, they started with MirrorNode Explorers.
They started then going into, you know,
the Explorers you're seeing now on the AI side.
They've worked as sort of dev shops or ecosystem teams.
They've been hand-in-hand with, you know,
council members at this point, like AP+.
These guys are, you know,
one of the greatest success stories on Hedera.
You know, a Hedera native team that's really stood up to the job.
And, you know, that's been, you know, proven now, not only on the retail and consumer and data side, but now with these institutions.
So massive shout out to you there, Brandon, to begin with.
Secondly, the most recent thing we saw is the work you're doing on the ERC side.
You know, like you guys have been killing it.
You're giving us so much access to the more sort of Hedera native token standards.
You've just come out with this ERC side.
And, you know, for you guys, what does that feel on an ecosystem level?
And how can people use this?
I know you have ways of exploring through, I believe, ChatGPT and other interfaces.
How can someone right now use that ERC Explorer and what would they be using it for?
Great question.
So what we'll do is I'll just give a quick minute on the ERC indexer stuff and kind of how it relates to AI. So a huge problem and opportunity in the Hedera ecosystem has been ERC data, right?
And to break it down a little bit for folks, we've got different asset types on Hedera, right?
We've got the Hedera token service assets, HTS assets, which are native to the network.
And then outside of Hedera, you've got EVM assets,
which are ERC standards. And there's all sorts of different flavors, but they're all effectively
tokens, right? So when you see meme tokens on Coinbase or whatever, what have you, those are,
you know, in large part, EVM ERC tokens. And the cool part about Hedera is it is an EVM compatible network. So you can create all of those ERC tokens on Hedera and inherit a lot of the different
benefits of the network, like low fixed fees and all those different types of things.
So there's a lot of interest.
And we've seen over the past two months really immense growth in the EVM space in regards
to just tokenization and transfers of ERC assets.
And what that means is that we have a bit of a chicken and egg situation where if people are
really excited about the benefits and opportunities of using the Hedera EVM to create these ERC assets,
the other side of it is, well, how do you retrieve that data? They're not traditional HTS tokens that are on the native layer
that are easily exposed through the mirror node.
They're tokens that are inside of smart contracts.
So it's a bit of a learning curve for Hedera developers,
and it's a little bit of a struggle for EVM developers coming in.
And we believe strongly that Hedera is really a network about choice. It is a multi-chain
future. So I think that a big unlock for this network is making that data available. And we've
had people coming to us this year expressing that frustration or those challenges in retrieving that
data and that excitement about what that's going to mean for the network. And so what we've done
is we took that and we decided to develop what's called an ERC token indexer. And what it does
is it watches all the smart contract activity happening on the network in real time.
All of those contracts emit events or logs, and we can detect and see what type of standard they adhere to, whether it's an ERC-20, 721, 1400.
And then our indexer utilizes things like the JSON-RPC relay, different connections to our mirror node and what we do is we compute log and process that token data and store it
alongside the mirror node in a data format that's really familiar for evm developers
and that matches up really well with the with the native token data and what that unlocks
is developers now can go where you know whereas before might go, oh, I need to get this ERC token data for my tokens on the network.
I've got to use the JSON RPC to get the metadata for the token.
And then I got to crunch a bunch of logs for getting the balances and transfer history.
And then I have to worry about HTS facades.
about HTS facades. And there's all these different considerations. So what we're offering now is
And there's all these different considerations.
the ERC token data, nice and clean, processed, and it's updated in real time with five-second
freshness. And what that means is now when we ladder up to kind of the AI discussion
beyond just initial customers that are going to be utilizing that service and having that data available in their applications for the ERC assets.
When we look to AI, one of the other things that we launched this year that's really been phenomenal is our MCP server.
What we did was we decided to build a new AI-ready layer on top of our GraphQL API, the REST API, the JSON RPC relay, even direct SQL access.
And make those tools and information available to any agent, whether you plug it into ChatGPT, CloudCode.
any agent, whether you plug it into ChatGPT, Claude Code. And we've been seeing people use it to
speed up their development workflows, do all sorts of different reporting,
do some snooping and spying on the network and different ad hoc analysis.
And it's effectively this AI messaging layer. And it's probably one of the most used MCP servers
on the network right now. We've seen a lot of exciting things happen with it.
And so when we look at the native Hedera mirror node data,
this new ERC data we're offering,
also too we think about Hedera stats
and all that kind of ecosystem metrics data.
This all ladders up and becomes available
and easy to use both for humans and for agents as well. And I mean,
it only goes up from there. That's amazing, Brandon. I know that you guys have been crushing
out both the AI side and this EOC token side. Do you want to point people? Do you have the alpha
to spill to us today? Or where should people keep an eye on you guys and what you're building
over at hgraph okay so um if you're interested so a few things so if you're interested in
the erc data um you can go to uh you know we have a blog post out and also on our x you can find it
that breaks everything down there's full full documentation with GraphQL query examples and schema breakdowns.
If you're curious for a deep dive, you can go there.
Our account dashboard, you can log in and play around and experiment in a GraphQL query
playground for the ERC stuff.
For the MCP, you just go to hgraph.com slash MCP server.
Again, full documentation, video walkthroughs of how to get it set up in applications like
Claude or ChatGPT or Claude Code.
And then for alpha, I think we have an exciting announcement tomorrow, but I think what we'll
do is we'll share a little alpha here on the HBAR foundation spaces.
we'll share a little alpha here on the HBAR Foundation spaces.
Of all the exciting things that I've talked about
and how in demand they are and how much people have wanted them,
I think that one thing stands out above all of them by far,
which is people are, what they really want
is they want to just open their phone, open their computer,
type in a URL, and just talk to the
Hedera network. That's really one of the main things people want. And the reason that we've
been doing things the way we've been doing so methodically working our way up through this stack
because the most important things for us are security, data accuracy, and data completeness,
right? Being able to do very complex queries and analysis.
What this all ladders up to is tomorrow we're going to be announcing our HGraph data agent.
It's a really beautiful application that you're going to be able to, I won't give out the URL
quite yet, but it's a really great application. You can just go to the website, you log in using
the same HGraph account you already have.
You can log in with GitHub, Google, your email, or your Hedera wallet.
And there's free access.
Our basic plan gives you much higher limits.
And basically, it becomes just as simple to use Hedera data in a way that offers an experience that I think is on par with chat GPT or Claude.
And again, just to finish my thoughts on this, I really think that Hedera is the network of choice.
And so I think that at HGraph now, we're offering so many more choices for the more advanced users,
for the developers and enterprises that use our stuff. they've got APIs, they've got SQL access, they've got bare metal infrastructure.
For the more advanced user that's maybe developing in VS code and wants really powerful, incredible data access and to pay for their own compute and are willing to set that up in their environment, we've got our MCP server.
And that's just been going incredible.
And then up next tomorrow
for just everybody across the board,
we're going to have a new HGraph data agent
that'll be available for everybody.
So we couldn't be more excited.
And we've been, with our early testers,
we've been getting some really, really great feedback.
So we're very excited.
As one of those early testers, I can confirm that it's a great product. Looking forward to the announcement tomorrow, Brandon. Thank you for joining today.
Right on. Thank you so much, guys. And just a real quick shout out to you and Zepsi and the
Hedera Foundation team. It can't be said how incredible you guys are doing and just working with you guys so closely
behind the scenes.
I want everyone to know the Hedera Foundation is just doing such an incredible job for this
ecosystem.
So I just wanted to give a huge shout out to Zepsi, Ash, and the whole team.
Just you guys are killing it.
So appreciate you.
appreciate you. Well, I appreciate that, Brandon. We've done a lot in 2025. And one of our main
Well, I appreciate that, Brandon.
goals this year was to try to improve the reputation of the foundation and be more hands-on
and be more approachable. And with Charles's leadership, I think we've had a smashing success with that. But, you know, I'll leave that conclusion up to the individual listener.
It's your all of you guys and girls make up the reputation of the foundation.
So if you've had a great experience, let us know if you see areas that we can improve.
You know, my DMs are open.
OK, up next, we're going to have Alex from the Hedarian team.
And this is a project that I worked with to help ideate back earlier this year.
And it's similar but different than what Brandon just told us about the HGraph agent.
But Alex, are you on the call?
Hey, Ash. Yes, I'm here hey welcome welcome so
I know that we went back and forth around the name and we landed on Hadarian we
did a lot of research out and tell us a little bit more about what Hadarian is
and where the idea came from yeah Had, Hedarian, we love the name.
It's all about building on top of Hedera and making things for the community.
So what is Hedarian?
Essentially, in its current form, I think of it as a chat based block explorer.
It's a very early stage product, but it pretty much builds on what you started with in the beginning,
when you said that the interfaces between the person and the computer have evolved from terminal to the standard GUI,
and now it's going to natural language.
And when you open the tool, you just see a chat GPT-like interface where you can just ask it free text questions,
and our agent will try to
provide the correct answer so an example of what you may ask is what happened in transaction 1234
or how much fees have i paid in total last week or something like please explain this nft so anything
that my rule of thumb is anything that you can find currently manually on something like hashscan
then hedarian should be able to give you the answer but in a text format and this is already
a live product right you're not this isn't invade or anything you're you're you're a live product
right now i mean it's an early stage product but people can go to the website and use this tool
today right now right it is the only stage but yes it is live people
are very much using it uh so yeah you can just go to hedarian.com and try it out um currently it's
a bit like a blog explorer but in the long run we envision being a much more comprehensive personal
assistant for anything thatedera related.
So Hedarian is also exposed as an MCP.
So any other AI agent can just plug in, ask questions,
and so have this back and forth agent to agent communication.
Yeah, so before, if you wanted to,
if you the user or the agent,
but if you the user wanted to get information about Hedera,
you really only had two options, right? You could go to the block explorer, something like a hash scan and hope
that they expose the information that you were looking for. And if they didn't, then you would
have to like be a programmer and write a script to go and manually scrape this information and
process this information from a mirror node directly and
return that back to yourself which is you know a technical limitation that you know while a lot of
people a lot of people don't have the capacity to do right because they're not developers this
really does democratize access to hedera uh data doesn't it's a block Explorer but like you said in natural
language yeah we just try to make it simple for everyday people to use and
to eliminate the need for you to be very deep into the Hedera technical detail
to get to get information to know what's happening yeah I think this product is
really wonderful it it really fits into the narrative and the thesis that the world is moving towards a natural language interface
between humans and compute or humans and device.
So now anybody in your language can go to hedarian.com
and check out, ask any question,
be as curious as you would like to over there.
And you're going to run into issues.
They have a little thumb up and thumb down.
You can thumb up and thumb down stuff if you like or didn't like the answers.
But ask it about your own portfolio.
Ask it about another account.
Ask it about a token that you're curious about.
And just push the boundaries and see what it can do for you.
But this is where the future of the the human device interface is going and and
I really appreciate Alex you guys building this product for Hedera it really puts us on the map
thanks thanks is there anywhere else you'd like to direct anybody to to stay up to date with with
with Hedarian and what you guys are building oh Hedarian.com is the best place we also have a
twitter page that you can follow so you can find the latest news out there we do love feedback
positive and negative so whatever you guys run into i would love to hear your thoughts cool
i appreciate it so much alex you and the guys have guys have a great weekend and a Merry Christmas. I'll chat with you until then, okay?
Thanks, Ash.
All right.
Zepp, who we got up next?
I think maybe the Layer Zero team.
I believe, yeah, that's Dom from Layer Zero,
who, you know, one of the core integrations we've actually had this year.
You know, we discussed yesterday on the defy spaces
you know the importance of having a team like layer zero on board for really the the whole
spectrum of our ecosystem you know as it comes to interoperability you know both defy which you know
of course encapsulates you know real world assets and beyond um but but really plugging into you
know anywhere where we can bring new users over here,
you know, also as that relates to AI. But Dom, great to have you up here and Ash, I'll throw
you back to you. Yeah, Dom, welcome, man. I don't think we've had a chance to meet yet,
but I'm a huge fan of Layer Zero and anything that creates less frictions, you know, lowers
frictions to liquidity.
Can you tell us about just Layer Zero high level for anybody that doesn't know?
And then, you know, what adding Layer Zero support to Hedera means to the broader ecosystem?
Yes, absolutely. Good morning, everyone. Good evening.
Thanks for having me on. Obviously, looking forward to chatting more about this today. But yeah, for those that don't know, I mean, I'm Dom. I've been with the team here at Layer Zero for nearly two years.
Came on to mainly focus on the DeFi side before having the opportunity to spend more time on the growth and go-to that enables blockchain and blockchain communications. So whether you want to send value, assets, data, you name it, you can do so through Layer Zero.
Presently today, we already connect roughly 150 plus blockchains. We've facilitated over
$100 billion in value transfer, seen over 500 different tokens that have adopted our OFT standard,
which we can talk a little bit
more about today. But at the end of the day, we wanted to offer the best developer experience and
ensure that anyone that's building in our industry has the ability to leverage what one of crypto's
biggest superpowers is, and that's composability. And so, yeah, really excited to talk about more
LeraZero, Federa, and anything else that we want to go over today.
Yeah, cool. Thanks, Tom. I got two questions.
The first one is something you said really caught my attention.
You said interoperability layer for tokens and data.
I think people understand tokens at this point, bridging tokens back and forth.
But can you talk to us more about what Layers of Year can do in terms of data?
And what does that even mean, interoperable data?
Yeah, absolutely. Great question. terms of data and what does that even mean interoperable data yeah absolutely great question i think uh you know what we've seen to date value transfer has been the largest i guess driver in
terms of interoperability it's what we see the most it's what users actually can kind of tangibly
feel but um you know layer zero is a messaging protocol so we will pass any sort of packet of
data from one blockchain to another blockchain.
So for those that have maybe not heard much about Layer 0 or what kind of solutions that we offer to the market, one of them being is the OFT standard, which is the Omnichain Fungible Token Standard.
What that allows for is any single token to live natively across multiple blockchains and so when someone wants to move a token from say ethereum
to hedera's network they would burn 100 tokens on the source and mint 100 tokens on the destination
so unifying supply unified liquidity but what happens at the underlying is that actually
a message via layer zero's protocol will be passed saying burn admits, etc. And so not only do you have the
ability to burn and mid tokens, but you have the ability to pull state from a single network,
or if you want to pass a message to invoke another function on a different or an action on a
different blockchain. So when you want to actually move any sort of information,
you can do so through the network, similar to how the internet works today.
Yeah, super cool. So I mean, at this point, money is just data. But at times, you need to
extend that workflow to actually do something productive with that money data when it goes
from ecosystem to ecosystem. This is really good if
you're an architect or you're a workflow enjoyer, then this really gives you the opportunity to
expand out that your logic supply chain, doesn't it? Absolutely. I think it's pretty cool the
actual use cases that we get to see being built on a day-to-day basis.
And I think it kind of unlocks another level of distraction in the sense that, for example, we launched not too long ago a product called Ovaults,
which is completely permissionless anyone can use today.
But what it allows for is a single click deposit and which withdrawal or
redemption from any chain into any vault so athena was one of our core partners for this what that
enabled is that if i have one of their you know usde on ethereum or any sort of network and i want
to be able to participate within the staking that they have mint SUSE,
I can do so from any chain and go to any chain.
So these are all different little hooks
that we call the composer contracts, which, as I mentioned,
you're just passing data from one blockchain to another.
Yeah, absolutely.
So let's talk about the OT standard, what that means
and how tokens can become compliant so that they can benefit from the interoperability
of Layer 0.
For sure.
Yeah, so as I kind of touched on earlier, you know, OFT standard, Omnichain Fundable
Token Standard is one of the core Omnitor's permissionless contracts that we've launched
here at Layer 0.
And what that allows for is any token to extend natively across all 150 blockchains that we support
today. So whether it's going to be on the EVM side or the non-EVM side, you as an asset
issuer or application or tokenization engine have the ability to select X amount of chains
that you want to be live on and have complete composability between the two. And so, you know, we've seen roughly, I think,
500 different teams adopt it across, you know, multiple VMs, across multiple verticals, whether it's going to be tokenized stocks, whether it's going to be meme coins, whether it's going
to be stable coins, etc. And so, yeah, it's been pretty incredible to see the adoption in terms of
just like value transfer and volume over the protocol for the past three years now.
But I think what we've kind of come to realize is that as interoperability solutions have improved and we continue to see the proliferation of chains,
the need to be able to meet users where they are and be able to expand natively quickly is extremely important.
And we've been able to support a bunch of teams, which has been incredible and look forward to obviously continue to support more in the future.
Yeah. And one of the teams that you support is the ETA Bridge team on Hedera.
You know, they use Layers Gear as their core infrastructure.
Yeah. So and, you know, we heard from these guys yesterday,
but this is a good bridge to bridge.
I think they only support USDC at the moment,
but, you know, they use Layer Zero in their core infrastructure.
So, yes, that's really great.
Well, Dom, what else would you like to call our attention to?
Any alpha you can share or where should people go to
to keep up with all things Layer Zero? Yeah, yeah i mean i think at the end of the day uh hedera and your entire ecosystem
have been incredible to work with i've followed you guys for a long time now and i and it's always
great to be able to start working with partners that you guys respect and then see you doing cool
stuff in the space so at the end of the day we want to be able to support any builders within the
hedera ecosystem and anyone else that's any builders within the Hedera ecosystem
and anyone else that's actually looking
to enter the Hedera ecosystem,
whether you're live on, you know,
Sui base Arbitrum
and you want to be able to go and explore
or bring your ecosystem into Hedera,
you could do so with Layer Zero
very, very seamlessly.
And so, yeah, as we go into 2026,
I think we just want to continue to support
as many teams across many verticals and ensure that we offer, you know, one of the best developer
experiences possible. Well, Don, getting Layer Zero into the Hedera ecosystem has been such a
huge win for us this year. We really appreciate you guys and we'll definitely keep in touch and
keep an eye on you in 2026. I appreciate you joining today. For sure, thanks, Hugh.
All right.
Up next, Zepp, I think we've got
one of our favorite Hashgraph employees actually with Ed.
I'm not sure if Ed is on,
he's got a speaker slot yet, but if so, Ed, welcome.
I'm here.
Thank you, thank you for having me, guys.
Very happy to be here. Hey, Ed, welcome. I'm here. Thank you. Thank you for having me, guys. Very happy to be here.
Hey, Ed.
Welcome.
So, Ed, we're going to do a quick intro.
And you've been building stuff like crazy this year.
Excited to hear all about it.
Absolutely.
This year has been amazing for the entire Hedera ecosystem.
Before I get into that, I do want to share a little bit of an intro about
myself in case we haven't met or worked together with those folks listening today. Ed Marcus here,
I lead developer relations for the Hedera ecosystem at Hashgraph, and that basically
focuses on providing smooth onboarding journeys and experiences for developers, right? Our goal is to attract developers,
ensure that they're retained, that they're supported,
and that they feel they have the right support channels,
the right tools to build and be successful on Hedera.
And so, yes, this year has been incredible
in terms of all the tools that have been delivered,
you know, a few different studios, AI tools,
and even playgrounds to facilitate the onboarding of devs.
Yeah, that's cool.
So what, I mean, I know this is an AI call,
but you've built a lot of tools in the playground for devs.
I think you've also integrated the faucet,
or how have you made it easier for developers to come over to Hedera and quickly get started?
And where does AI play into that?
Absolutely.
I think we heard Michael Cantor before say that, you know, AI is now that assistant that accelerates every workflow.
And you also mentioned that it touches every area of life.
And that's true also for onboarding on Hedera.
So this year, we set out to build amazing tooling to facilitate that developer onboarding. So, you know, Hedera is already very easy to work with, like there are SDKs and things that developers already know that they can use to build on Hedera. And then we thought, what if we make that even easier? Let's take it one step, you know step further and build something on a browser that anyone can just log in
and they start testing and getting a feel for what it's like to work with Hedera from their web browser.
That's all they need.
No local setup, no installation, no downloads, none of that.
So that's where we introduced the developer playground, right?
So that people can just go to hedera.com slash playground.
That's the Hedera portal.
And all they need is an internet connection and a browser,
and they can start deploying their first transaction in a matter of seconds.
So that was the true breakthrough here, that we took the first transaction,
the time that it takes to submit that from minutes or hours
to just literally a few clicks and a few seconds.
So that has been amazing.
We have received very positive feedback for developers who are new to the network,
who are onboarding, who want to understand what is it like to build with Hedera.
Then when it comes to AI, we also took it a step further, right?
And we added an AI assistant to that playground.
So now it's very easy to understand, okay, what are these SDKs that Hedera has?
How do I use them? How do I submit a transaction in seconds?
And then now you have an assistant right there
who walk you through working with those SDKs, right?
If you want to ask it about your code or you want to ask it about documentation and Hedera concepts, you can, right?
So AI is there as you're learning and as you're coding and as you're debugging assistant all from the browser.
So I think that's amazing.
Yeah, I do too.
And so this allows people to come in.
I think there's code templates there,
but there's also an AI that can help you write code.
And then you can execute it right there from the playground.
You don't have to set up an environment.
You don't have to download and install some SDK
or any of this stuff, right?
That's exactly right.
So we basically removed a lot of the complexity,
a lot of the setup steps,
so that it's literally you, a browser, and some AI, and then you can start your developer journey on Hedera.
have a similar contract builder or similar playground for smart contracts,
which allows you to deploy Solidity stuff on Hedera,
also in a matter of seconds, also from a browser.
Then we're working on enabling that AI assistant also for that functionality.
We're covering all the development paths with
world-class tooling that makes that onboarding and that dev journey a lot easier.
I believe that there's also some Hedera-specific plugins
for Visual Studio Code that utilizes AI as well.
I'm not sure if that was built by you and your team,
but I think you were part of that.
Do I remember right, or am I thinking about something else?
No, that's right.
So that's Reddit that has to go to Tolga.
He's a community builder.
And I know Sebsi was involved in supporting Tolga
in his development of this VS Code plugin.
But yes, it's an AI-enabled VS Code plugin
that allows people to reference information
from the documentation
as they develop in their actual IDE.
So I think that demonstrates that there's very good coverage of tools on Hedera,
from things that you could use in a browser to these plugins and extensions
that work on your IDE where you actually perform production development.
So I think those are all things that are improving the development experience on Hedera,
making that journey more enjoyable, smoother, more robust with AI tools.
And I can't let you go without talking about the AI that you've built
and the migration of our documentation, Ed.
I know that you and the DevRel team
have worked hard on this.
What can you share about just going
to our docs.hedera.com
and being able to find and navigate that site
now with an AI chat agent?
Absolutely.
So we recently did an upgrade to the documentation.
Huge shout out to the developer relations team,
to the documentation team at Hashgraph
in enabling and making this possible.
But what you'll see is a new layout, new tools,
and the same great content,
but in a way that is much easier to navigate and discover
and also powered by AI.
So you have an assistant there, a chat assistant
that you can simply ask in natural language
any question about a core concept or an SDK or anything,
and it'll give you the information in the terms that you're asking it,
and it will point you to the right documentation pages.
And the cool thing is this documentation also exposes
the whole set of content as text files
if you want to incorporate that in your,
provide as context to your agents or to your chat assistants.
And it also provides MCP tools
where your agents can reference the Hedera documentation.
And that's something that we're also bringing to the playgrounds, right?
Using that tool that is powered by the Hedera documentation
so that agents can reference information grounded on truth. And so I think that really covers, you know,
some of the concerns and gaps that we all have when working with AI. Like, is this thing giving
me an answer that is grounded in truth and real information, or is this hallucinating? And so
I think this upgrade to the documentation and these AI tools are a way to mitigate that concern.
And then the other thing that I will mention is the Hedera Hivemind.
So if you remember a very long time ago, we developed a plugin for ChatGPT, you know, because everybody knows ChatGPT.
And so about a year and a half ago, we also developed a custom GPT, Hedera Hivemind, so that anyone, whether you're a
developer or non-developer, you can access that for free. And now that also speaks to that tool
from the documentation so that you know that you're getting information that is grounded in,
you know, in facts, in Hedera documentation to learn your core concepts, to walk you through
some tutorials, maybe even generate some code and examples for you if you need to, you know,
understand a concept or maybe even develop a part of your application.
So that was a very awesome breakthrough enabled by that documentation upgrade to be able to feed that docs to the Hedera HiveMind GPT.
It's all happening, isn't it, Ed?
It's happening, man.
And it's happening fast and evolving.
Yeah, right in front of our very eyes. So I love this.
for helping me work through different types
of AI product ideas for Hedera.
And we're really seeing the fruit of that work now.
We're seeing a lot of the product ideas
that we had back then,
some of them a little bit ahead of their time,
but we're seeing those come to fruition.
You know, you're building stuff,
the stuff that Hedarian is and the H-Craft team.
And we're gonna talk to Agent Hustle soon,
but it's all coming together, isn't it? It is, Ash.
And absolutely right back at you, man.
Those collaborations were very effective and glad to see the fruits and the outcomes coming to reality and coming to the ecosystem now.
And the fact that the foundation has been able to also support all these projects and all these builders to incorporate AI to further the vision and the mission in the ecosystem has been fantastic to see.
So, you know, kudos to you, SEBSI, and folks at the foundation.
I think this has been a very productive year.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, I couldn't let you go, Ed, without giving us a sneak peek of what the DevRel team over at Hashgraph has cooking for 2026.
And do we have any hackathons planned?
We always have hackathons planned.
Absolutely. The first one will be coming in Q1 in the first quarter of the next year.
So stay tuned for that. But I do want to make an invitation to everyone here,
especially if you're a developer, to register for Hedera Dev Day.
So that's going to be a developer-focused event that is going to be co-located with ETH Denver.
That's happening on February 17th.
So if you're going to be at ETH Denver,
make sure you stop by, register for this thing,
and come join us for plenary talks
that are going to be technical deep dives
for hands-on workshops.
There's going to be scavenger hunts.
And you can talk to community projects.
You can talk to Hedera experts and you can learn more about our hackathons there.
You know, that's going to be a great place to get involved.
Absolutely. And I appreciate that. I appreciate everything you're doing.
I couldn't let you go without giving a shout out to J.
Cool on your team. What a great guy. What a what a great community member.
What a great employee. Yeah, he community member. What a great employee.
He's my co-host for Hashgraph Hustlers, and he's just such a fun guy to work with.
And I just think your team is kicking on all cylinders. Who else is on your team? I know
the backstage guys help out so much as well. Give a couple shout outs real quick.
Absolutely. I mean, it is truly a team effort. You know,
all the progress in terms of hackathons, developer tooling, AI tooling, it takes a little village to
make all of these things happen. And I couldn't be more proud and thankful of the team that I have
working with me at Hashgraph. So yeah, call out to J. Cole, you know, J. Cool, as he's known in the public networks.
Also, Luke Forrest or Phasmatiz, you know, doing an excellent job taking care of our community and our developers on Discord.
Fermin and Luis, our community managers, driving, you know, community calls that have tremendous reach.
Also, making the community feel heard through surveys and other vehicles.
And of course, we have Mihil driving developer education and so much more.
But there are other teams behind the scenes.
There's documentation, developer advocates, great guys that we work with and are always
giving us constructive feedback and input.
And of course, I couldn't say thanks enough to the community and the developers and the
builders.
You're a great guy doing a
great job, Ed. I appreciate you so much. And thanks for joining the call today. Up next, we, yeah, go
ahead, Ed. Happy to be here. Thank you so much for having me and happy holidays and happy end of year,
guys. You too, Ed. Merry Christmas. Okay. Zev, I know the next project is one you're especially interested in.
The Dow Managed Trading Agent.
It now has a name called Kairos.
And one of the leading devs on that project is Peter.
Peter, do you have a speaker slide?
Can you hear us?
Yes, I hear you.
Nice to meet you, Ash.
Nice to meet everyone.
Yeah, well, you're not meeting meet you, Ash. Nice to meet everyone.
Yeah, well, you're not meeting me for the first time, Amigo.
We've worked for
years together.
Peter helped me build the
NFT toolkit over
at Hashgraph
and he helped me build
MintBar and MintBox.
I don't know if anyone's used MintBar.xyz.
It was the first permissionless NFT minting web app.
And Peter helped me build that back then.
So, but a lot of amazing things.
We did.
And they're all open source,
something called claim box and mint box,
man, we built a lot of cool stuff together.
And now you're, you're building a project,
you and your team called Kairos and i i've been i've been dropping
a little bit of alpha to zep about this and and i know he's pretty pumped up so i want to let zep
ask a question before i before i get in here zep you can you can you hear me yeah i mean peter great
great to meet you on here um you know ash has been selling me the vision for a while now.
We've been discussing how we can best go to market with it and get the community super excited.
But, you know, of course, this idea of Dow,
Dow is something that's been talked about for years now,
and they had that sort of big run-up and that kind of slowdown in the conversation.
But where that crossover
really really makes sense to me is where you have that dial built around the community and you have
the agents that interact with it so for example you know whether you could be like a a source
swap team and within that you've got your own source swap agents and you guys can vote to that agent on
how you want that treasury's fund to be distributed you know reaches consensus on how people want it
to you know be be bought or sold or however they want that treasury to be used and that was an early
idea that ash and i talked about that got me really excited was really to empower communities to really vote on chain in that way
with capital behind it. But I'd love to learn more about what you guys specifically are building on
your side, why the community should be excited and how people can really support you guys as much as possible.
Sure, thank you so much for the great thoughts. So basically speaking, like Ash said, we've built in the last years a lot of cool open source projects.
and how can you really use DLTs, decentralized organizations, together with agents,
we came with an idea to basically merge two powerful forces.
So basically, collective capital and trading agents.
So if we assume that we as a Hedera community, we have together a lot of capital and
on the crypto market there are a lot of
trading possibilities
then let's think about
how we can match the
two forces together and that's where
Kairos comes into place.
So Kairos is basically a
DAO governed treasury
where
you have token holders that govern over some funds.
And the DAO can then basically set some limits or parameters which trades can be executed.
So we have that baseline.
And now let's assume that we have an amazing trading agent that has amazing
performance and we as a DAO we just allow these trading agents to execute trades against our
treasury within these limits this allows us to really use that collective capital in a very efficient way and that's basically the whole
idea behind kairos so you want to create a framework or a system where you can spin up a
dao kairos will be the first dao you can the dao has some treasury and then you just have a great trading agent that invests these funds.
And if in one month a community member says,
yeah, I have a better trading algorithm or a better trading agent,
we can just reach up the trading agent to his implementation within one vote.
So I would say that's basically the idea behind that.
And just just to reiterate that, because it's easy to miss the
innovation here. What what can happen is the whole product here
is really two sides. One is the the Kairos team, Peter and his
team have built a trading agent that can operate and execute
transactions on Hedera this can be programmed to have to trade against any
asset you want right it could be H bar it could be sauce pack bonzo name your
favorite token and this agent can trade it right the other thing is, go ahead, Peter. No, no, you explained that perfectly.
You said that it can trade any asset within the given parameters.
That's right.
So the idea was basically that very often when you have a trading agent
or you have an investor, et cetera,
you need to trust him that he doesn't mismanage your
funds right so that's so the trading agent is one side but the trust is the other side
and yeah trustless execution environments are why we have blockchains or why we have dlt why you
have hedera so we combine these two sides like a dow which sets the parameters
governs the treasury and just allows these trading agents to to do some trades right in this
right so so the so the doubt and you've built dashboards for all this and everything you're
building is going to be open source, if I understand correctly.
Exactly.
Like always, everything will be open source.
We want to drive adoption.
We want to showcase the community that really like collective capital
and amazing trading algorithms are revolutionary
and we want to see this happening.
The cool thing is that for us, Kairos,
we have an agent, a trading agent, right?
But if you with some friends
have an amazing trading algorithm
that creates amazing returns,
you can always propose that to the DAO
and your trading algorithm can trade with the DAO's treasury.
That's right.
Let's just put it in something that the audience can follow.
Let's say that you have a DAO, right?
And all the DAO tooling, the dashboard, everything is being open sourced and going to be deployed.
But let's say that you have a token DAO.
This could be any meme coin or any token on Hedera could be used as a DAO token within
this DAO, right?
Within your instance of a DAO.
You as a community put a certain amount of assets into this smart contract, and then
you can invite with with a Dow vote,
you can invite an agent to come in like Kairos
and start trading and managing
either all or a portion of your treasury.
And you can even,
if I understand the product correctly here, Peter,
you can even tell it,
hey, I only want you to trade the HBAR USDC pair
on SalserSwap, for example.
And I only want you to be able to trade up to $500.
And then you can program using a DAO vote.
You can restrict what this trading agent can do, including kick it out at any time.
So even though this agent sits on your server and
your back end, Peter, the DAO has the ability to reduce the amount of capital available to it,
change the number of assets or the type of assets that it can trade, or kick it out completely for whatever reason exactly so so the the trading agent can can use the funds
but within a set of of permissions so so yeah you cannot run away with the money you cannot do
anything that would be malicious that the doubt didn't agree on so i think that's a match make in heaven, like trustless execution environments with IP, like trading IP or very good trading agents.
Of course, the first trading agent, Kairos, will be also open sourced.
So I think that's really interesting.
That's really cool, Peter.
Do you have any idea when Kairos is going to be live
and the dashboards are going to be live for people?
Like, I feel you will be the first person who will see a working demo.
We are really close to, like, we are working on the final touches.
So I think that we will have an amazing, hopefully,
first week in 2026 with the launch. Well, I think that's great, Peter. You know, unfortunately, we don't have time amazing, hopefully, first week in 2026 with the launch.
Well, I think that's great, Peter.
You know, unfortunately, we don't have time
to talk about X402 and about the Hedera AI Agent Kit
or the AI Studio, but maybe we can follow up sometime
in the next community call and chat about some of those.
How can people stay in touch and keep an eye on on what you guys are
building there with kairos yeah sadly we are very bad at marketing so so we don't have a site web
a site yet but if you just follow me on x then you will basically know when everything is live. Okay. And what's your X handle?
At seven underscore dude.
I know you said to me, I need to change it, but for now it's seven underscore dude.
All right.
Well, thank you.
Thank you so much, Peter.
It's always a pleasure to chat with you and work with you.
And I'm looking forward to that live demo as soon as possible.
Thank you so much.
Thanks for the invitation and happy, happy Christmas to everyone.
Thank you so much.
Yeah, you too.
All right, next we've got Jesse on from Hashport.
Jesse, are you, can you hear me? Are you?
I can hear you, Ash.
How's it going?
Man, it's been a long time.
How you been?
It has been a long time. Very well, sir. How about you?
Doing real. Yeah, doing great.
What's new with Hashport?
I know you guys got a faucet recently,
and I believe an API access to that faucet.
What's that faucet about, and how does that reduce barriers here?
Yeah, yeah. Thanks, Ash.
Thanks for having us.
Just to give everyone a bit of background, I'm the head of business for Hashport.
My name is Jesse.
Hashport is the natively built bridge on Hedera, so we're leveraging Hedera's HCS service
with a validator set of industry-leading platforms to form the native bridge on the network.
And obviously, much like Layer Zero, our purpose is to allow for assets to both come into the
network as well as ecosystem platforms on Hedera to be able to put their tokens onto other networks
and to grow their respective platforms. But back to what you were saying, Ash.
Yeah, we do have a faucet.
It just launched in October.
It's pretty exciting.
It's a main net faucet for the ecosystem.
It's actually pretty unique in the space in that anyone can go to the faucet and provided
they have a wallet with sufficient activity on it from an external platform.
They can actually secure a small amount of HBAR to get themselves started on the network.
One of the biggest problems for ecosystems has typically been the cold start problem,
where users would like to venture to a new network, but they simply can't because they don't actually have any of the native token
to get started. So the faucet itself helps with that and helps users that are new to the network
quickly be able to come aboard. And to the API that you're talking about, we will have
API access that we'll be rolling out here over the next couple months that will allow ecosystem platforms and partners
in the Hedera ecosystem to essentially be able
to offer faucet drips to their users,
depending on what their unique use cases are
for those drips and how they'd like for users
to be able to find their platforms
and interact with the network.
So it is very exciting.
We're very happy that we were able to launch that for the ecosystem
and looking forward to 2026 with everything that we're working on
with the ecosystem partners.
So the faucet, it'll drip, what, like a one-time HBAR to try to ease people's experience?
Yeah, so it'll exactly so it'll you know for users that
qualify they can receive a drip it's uh 25 cents usd of hbar that they receive and that is sufficient
for new users that are potentially bringing assets across uh bridges like hash port or layer zero
uh to be able to perform token associations on the network with
with their new tokens that they're bringing across and then subsequently um swapping those tokens for
more hbar on platforms like saucer swap and other dexes yeah i think so it basically enables them to
get enough hbar to start to start you know actively working within the hedera ecosystem right away
yeah it solves that cold start problem, doesn't it?
Like if I wanted to bridge over some USDC
from Solana over to Hedera,
now all of a sudden I've got to figure out how to get HBAR,
but now with the faucet, that takes care of me, doesn't it?
Yeah, absolutely.
And can teams build using your API to do the same thing,
but for their users?
Or do I need to come to like a hash port faucet site?
Yeah, we don't have that rolled out just yet.
We will, like I was saying in the next few months,
we will be doing that.
But platforms will certainly be able to reach out to us.
They can reach out to us now if they'd like to start
working with us on potentially having, you know,
their service integrate with the API
and be able to leverage it.
So anyone who'd like to reach out can do so via our email info at hashport.network
or via the X account at hashport network.
Jesse, you guys were the first bridge on Hedera.
And I'm curious what you've learned just over the years and where you're seeing the
flow of funds happening.
Like you
guys have had a bridge for years now. You're going to have some unique insights that most
people don't. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it has been quite a while doing this. And, you know,
one of the things I can say over that time period and observing, you know, activity,
not only just on Hedera, but, you know, many other
networks across Web3, it really, activity really starts to move when you have use cases that are
novel and users, you know, find genuine interest in them. And so I think that a lot of times, and
this is why it's very exciting for the Hedera ecosystem,
because, you know, as we've seen on the call today with everyone working on
amazing, you know, interesting, novel,
groundbreaking things is eventually these platforms are going to go
mainstream. Don't know which ones, but eventually they will.
And when that happens you know, you need,
you need gateways to be able to come into and get access to those new services.
So really, it boils down to having use cases on networks that users are interested in leveraging.
I mean, you see that with, you know, you see massive volume spikes across different networks,
depending on, you know, new services that come out that are all the rage, you know, pumped up fun.
Or, you know, back in 2021, it was it was NFTs and, you know, OpenSea and all the other NFT
platforms really started to move the needle. And that's where things were at. Now I'm starting to
see, you know, obviously social platforms are really starting prediction markets
are starting to to take center stage and i think um you know a lot of those types of use cases
really will lend themselves very well to hedera's performance and secure nature um especially i know
this call is about ai and so i think hedera is specifically geared towards solving a lot of the AI problems that the AI industry is facing.
You know, you need when you have agents trying to speak with one another, communicate without human interaction,
you need absolute certainty of what's being said.
So you need 100% finality, which Hedera offers.
So you need 100% finality, which Hedera offers.
And you also need to know in which order messages are being received in order for there not to be any funny business going on.
And I think, you know, Hedera, again, fitting the bill for fairly ordered transactions where you're not getting anything out of place or there's no, you know, front running of any kind.
I think that just lends itself so very well to what AI use cases are going to need in the future.
So I'm very excited for that side of things.
Yeah, Dara's got such great tech.
It's up to us to build on it and show people what's possible.
You know, I love the quote from Henry Ford.
He said, if I'd asked the people what they wanted
they would have said a faster horse,
but instead he built automobiles
and revolutionized transportation.
You know, this is what our role needs to be
over here on Hedera, isn't it?
People don't know what they need until they need it.
Well, Jesse, I appreciate you so much.
You've been in the community forever.
You know, you're an absolute OG Hedera builder
and to stick through bull and bear market
says a lot about your character, man.
I appreciate you.
How can people keep up with what you and what a hash port is up to in 2026?
Yeah, absolutely.
Obviously keep following the X account at hash port network,
as well as our website, hash port dot network.
We actually just updated the site today and completely revamped the front end of it so that it makes
it easier for users to get started in the Hedera ecosystem, get their initial drip of
HBAR and bridge their assets across.
So we're very excited about that as well.
Cool.
All right, Jesse.
I appreciate it, man.
Thanks for joining us today.
Thanks for having us.
We've got two teams left we've got the agent hustle team as well as
the meme job team uh zepp pick pick one let's bring them on and then we'll uh we'll save the
best to last i guess well i i can't make judgment on that but i'll definitely go to tudor because
we've been you know talking for so long tudor's been a massive, massive figure in the community for so long.
You know, he built HeadStarter, the first launch pad.
He launched, you know, the meme coin season with MemeJob.
And he's got a lot of other work going on on the AI side.
And I really, yeah, Tudor as an individual and Tudor's team around him,
the whole of the BuilderLabs team have been, you know, heads down,
just like Hashport, you know, through Bear, through Bull,
and have never slown down in that building.
So Tudor, my man, welcome.
Would love for you to introduce yourself.
I'm sure for many here that introduction isn't necessary,
but for the new people in the crowd, it'd be great for them to meet you.
And then great to learn more about exactly
what you guys have been doing on the AI side
for the last month.
There's a lot to be excited about there.
So the stage is yours, my friend.
Hey, guys.
Thank you for the very, very warm welcome there, Zebsi.
Really appreciate it.
Hey, Ash.
Thanks for hosting us uh hedera foundation
it's great to be here with such great builders and community members alike uh it indeed uh zebsi
it seems like it's been a while right we decided to um i personally decided to go full-time crypto in 2021 and launch Builder Labs.
Through Builder Labs, we've been able to build, as you mentioned, Headstarter.
And through the years, we try to be good stewards of the HederaNet
or try to accelerate and bring the best projects to life through Headstarter,
best projects to live through HeadStarter,
help them get access to funding,
to be able to develop their vision.
And in 2023, we decided to act strategic
with our runway and try to see
which are some of the lopsided developments
that can help Hedera
go to the next level, right?
Which are some of the exponential value that we can build.
And that's why we decided to build MemeJob.
It's MemeJob actually, I think a couple of days ago
had its one year anniversary on Mainnet.
And yeah, I mean, it's been, right,
it's been quite a few years,
a couple decades in dog years,
but it's fun.
It's fun to hang out with you guys here
on the brink of the holiday season.
and it's been a crazy year as it always is and but some we I try to remind the
And it's been a crazy year, as it always is.
team all the time right we need to stay superfluous in regards to the overall
market whether it's a sentiment or the current the current rumors. And we need to stay true to our cause
as Builder Labs and Build Value.
And yeah, I'm very excited to speak about
some of the developments we've been doing
on the AI front.
And so just for that point,
I know some stuff is in sales,
there's some stuff that has been teased, but, you know,
I've been seeing what you guys have been building
and getting super excited on my end.
So I don't want to say anything, you know, that I shouldn't be saying.
So I'll let you introduce, you know, where you currently are in that development.
You know, maybe drop some alpha if that's all you're willing to do,
but just really get everyone up to speed on, you know,
what that AI side of the ecosystem looks for you guys,
looks like for you guys at Meme Job and Builder Labs.
Thanks, yeah, I appreciate that.
I saw actually yesterday the term agentic commerce
floated around some of the work that we are doing and
if anybody in the listeners panel has joined any of our meme job know front running spaces we
typically do them daily but on the sunday ones there's a lot of blabber coming from my end
blabber coming from my end and i personally am referencing for uh for the longest time
blockchain or dlt layer one networks as being akin to sovereign economies they have their own native
currency in which they pay taxation with and on chain people find goods and services to tap into
and services to tap into. Some of the most desirable goods and services, goods on chain
right are fungible tokens and non-fungible tokens. And people can now tap into an increasingly
higher number of services through the emergence of agents. And while in the past,
And while in the past, one may have indicated that blockchains themselves were user-driven,
right now we're transitioning from the user-driven interactions to agent-driven interactions.
So the more sophisticated agents go beyond MCP servers that connects with on-chain data and also perceive user needs and desires,
compose requests and plan a sequence of actions to act or execute these wants of the user
across different platforms. So in a nutshell, right, we've been poking along on AI agents for what feels like the better part of the year.
And through the guidance of ASH and the Hedera Foundation,
we have created a permissionless agent creation economy in coordination with its own respectable fungible token now. This is not your run-of-the-mill AI slob agent, which I think we all came to growingly dislike
over 2025.
And just a small bracket for the people who are not familiar to MemeJob, we launched on
Mainnet approximately one year ago, as I said earlier, and enabled
anybody to launch an instantly tradable token for only one USD, right? Because all fees on
header are fixed in USD terms. And while there's like a beaten path for pump fun-like projects with streaming, with techs and other operations.
We wanted to venture beyond and innovate.
So the agents that we'll be using,
bringing very, very soon now to Mainnet,
each individual agent carries his own respective context
and trading parameters and can be
summoned by any individual and open up a conversational session through a 402 payment.
So these agents, again, anybody can create their own.
And I think what's cool also is that you can also append an agent to an existing meme job token.
So there's a lot of opportunities for CTOs, I would imagine.
And these agents initially specialize on advising users to trade fungible HEDERA tokens
based on signals that the dev caters for building and delivering.
But there's also a future where they, these agents and their on-chain
interactions can venture on outwards from this current status quo.
So yeah, thanks.
So if I'm like, you know, a big trading influencer, you know, I've got a following that, you know, copy trade me or follow me for my specific calls.
Could I theoretically go on to, you know, meme job on the AI agent side and, you know, build an agent that's copying my own trading strategies that people can kind of, you know, like replicate or be part of that agent so that it trades for them.
So in short, you know, people who have these deep trading strategies,
these deep trading expertise can spin up their own agents
and enable other people to use them, if I understand correctly.
Yeah, yeah.
So that too, I mean, I think what we have pondered for a long time is what is alpha?
And when was the last time you saw a good alpha on crypto Twitter, right?
And a lot of the times, a lot of the alpha is shared on private groups.
And I think there's a few people here that either run their own private group and also participate in other groups. Some might be cabal-like, right? But yeah, ultimately,
we want the agent to be the interface for a trader, a group leader, a quant, whatever.
And we want to build a growingly more powerful infrastructure
to enable such users.
Definitely.
I mean, as you mentioned, we're coming to that,
or if we aren't already, we're at that year anniversary
of what you guys are doing.
And of course, the ecosystem impact it's had over the last year,
and especially earlier on, was great to see.
So on my side, very excited for that second wave of growth,
this time on the AI side.
This is the end of the year now.
Is there anything you're specifically excited about
or anything you want to call out before we pass it over?
Or just let me know.
No, I mean, one other thing,
one other initiative that we launched recently
through MemeJob is the avenue for us to break outwards from crypto Twitter.
So another thing that we kind of like did on our own recently is we created a merch store where not only can you pay in your credit cards, but also native HBAR and USDC are supported.
And we want through this merch store to have the culture that is being built on Hedera
better represented in real life.
And what's cool about the merch is that the proceedings for eitherJob or different featured projects will be used towards
respective MemeJob token buybacks.
So it's not only do we want to see, you know, the Hedera culture that we were so proud of, I think, be represented,
see people rocking it at the gym, at the bar, on the street,
but also have a unique way in which the real value
transpires not only on social media and there's an avenue to
have a human connection with these projects beyond crypto Twitter and the discords,
but also provide some consistent buy pressure towards the token. So, yeah, overall, I think to your point, guys,
I think, and some of the mentions of the earlier speakers,
I think that the past few years have been really essential
in terms of building the basic infrastructure
for the header ecosystem.
And I think 2026 is the year
that we will see a lot of sustained growth
since a lot of the chips are in place.
A hundred percent.
And for anyone who wants to check out what the team of Builder Labs and
Tudor are doing just tap through onto meme job or you know go over to Tudor's own personal
account what is the what is the name of your personal account Tudor or next?
Just Tudor and my family name so I'm pretty easy to find not not cypherpunk at all i'll uh i'll drop
it in the comments but appreciate you taking the time to do um and we'll throw it over to
the final speaker so ash if he wants to make that intro hey thank you adam from the agent hustle team, man. I'm been so patient waiting here. I appreciate you,
man. How are you? I wanted to echo you, uh, you know, somebody who was probably an hour ago,
but just, uh, gave you guys a shout out. Um, working with you guys at the Hedera foundation
has been, uh, it's really been our best experience just to be completely honest,
working with foundations and different chains and stuff. you guys have been amazing so props to you guys excited to be here well i
appreciate it you know you guys are such ogs in the crypto space and the first time that i spoke
with you guys i knew that you had what it takes to build something great and get it to mainnet and
deploy it um just give us an for anybody who hasn't used Agent Hustle yet, give us an idea of what that product
is. And you're welcome to go back in time and paint the picture of the pedigree and where you
guys came from. Yeah, well, we're really, we're big believers in a multi-chain universe and our founder shannon code um is a super og worked at mastercoin back
in 2012 and um built basically the first kind of cross-chain nft protocol um and we're actually the
the largest uh nft bridge uh in crypto and so if you've ever seen rare pepe's or any bitcoin assets
on openc uh that's us and so we're really leaning
in and have leaned in heavily to this kind of they're going to be multiple chains and how's the
the user going to interact with these assets across chains and to be honest until ai kind of
happened maybe two years ago when i got my first taste with AI. I never thought it, I thought it
was always going to be clunky. I thought it was always going to be, you know, even right now,
I'm looking at seven different wallets in my browser, right? I always thought it was going
to be like, how's this really going to work? But our founder again, I guess it was probably 18
months ago, started playing around with the idea of taking our wallet infrastructure and basically
hiding it all behind an AI agent. And that's what we have today with Agent Hustle. And so this idea
that through one chat interface, a user can interact with all blockchains has kind of
developed. And we're really just, I mean, it's one of these things I think, Ash,
we've talked about it a little bit. Are we so early that we're too early, right? Being too
early is the same as being wrong in a lot of ways. But for the first time, I feel like AI is
happening so quickly that even though we are early, I think we definitely are early. We're not going to be too early because it's happening so quickly now, the acceleration
of it getting better that I actually feel in the next year, 18 months, most people who
are on this space are actually going to be using an AI agent to manage at least maybe
their hot wallet portfolio of crypto, maybe not your full portfolio, but in a lot of ways, you're, you're kind of day-to-day driver. Uh, I feel like this is
actually going to happen and actually, yeah, go ahead. Sorry. I would just say, let's get into
the weeds a little bit about actual use cases here, because I want the audience to really
understand like what functionality is available and how people are using agent hustle today.
This is a live product
and you guys have a freemium account and anybody can come over here and start using agent hustle
literally today. Absolutely. And so right now today, uh, agent hustle is best for like meme
coin or coin discovery, token discovery. Uh, so we, we launched him on Solana. Uh, he got a lot
of traction early with people who just wanted to trade meme coins.
Because obviously, if you used AI agents, you know they just can pull so much more information,
right?
But now what we're doing with this kind of expansion to other chains is really, if you
think about it right now, like we just said, I think it was Hashfort said, hey, you come
on to Hedera.
Oh, shoot.
I bridged over USDC, but I don't have a
little bit of H bar for the gas, right? That experience, which we've all had, you know,
on chain, I think, you know, if you use hustle right now to just bridge your assets, um, he'll
ping you and say, Hey man, you need a little, you need a little, uh, you know, gas, right?
Would you like to bridge
over and get a little gas? And he'll take care of that for you. But I actually just sent, I just
sent a message to Jesse because it's like, shoot, doing that, that like, you know, faucet integration
or we've, we've thought about it. Hey, should we just pay, you know, when we, when we bridge assets
to the other wallets and just have Hustle do it natively.
I think what we're doing is we're basically hiding all the wires.
And so that when I see, you know, whatever,
a meme coin on MemeJob popping up and I see it on my timeline,
I can just go to Hustle.
And even though I only have whatever ETH in my wallet,
I can just buy that token that's popping on meme job and not think about how it happens.
It just happens.
Yeah.
That's what we're doing.
That's what we're building out, man.
Yeah.
And you guys support all the basic functionality of Hedera, token transfers, meme job purchases,
standard swap.
I mean, you can jump into hustle.
And if you're a Solana user, a base user or whatever user, well, I don't know.
Yeah. And if you're a Hedera user, I mean, part of it is like we want Hedera users right now, right? Because then if you want to, yeah, go ahead.
What I was going to say is if you're a user in one of those ecosystems, it lowers the barriers of entry, almost eliminates the barriers of entries to now become also a Hedera user.
A hundred percent. I mean, this is the main thing is that for crypto natives, I look at it as like two things.
One's crypto natives, right? And so crypto natives, like I don't want to have to think about how, like if something's happening on Hedera,
I don't want to have to think about how do I get a Hedera wallet and do all this sort of thing. So it abstracts that entire infrastructure away. But then for, you know, kind of normies
or people who aren't into crypto, well, how's this going to look with, I mean, obviously,
prediction markets are big and everything now. I'd say, look, if you're a Hedera native,
obviously, we've got a lot of Hedera natives on the space. Go to Agent Hustle.ai, just log in.
You can log in with whatever, email or your X account, and see how it works where you
can be on Hedera, put a little H-bar in there, but then go trade on Polymarket, where we
have the Polymarket integration now happening, right?
And so it gives you a broader ecosystem where you don't want to, shoot, I don't want to
figure out how to go to Solana.
Well, we figured it out for you. And so I think in a lot of ways,
that's how I'm looking at it right now. It's like we've had a level of liquidity abstraction for a while, but it's still a little bit clunky. You guys have abstracted
the entire user experience. So I just need to use Hustle, the Hustle wallet, and I can go do stuff on any of your supported chains.
And it's AI enhanced.
You guys have various tools, which I'd love for you to go into all the types of different tools that you have that you can enable that can work with Hustle.
But you guys have really just packaged this up
into what may be the best user experience
in all of crypto.
I appreciate that, man.
And just to say, it is early days.
Look, I think the leader in the space is Banker.
You guys have all seen Banker on the timeline.
But to be real, just full real,
Banker has like 200, 250 daily active users.
Okay.
We have like 80, right?
This is early days.
This is not like, bro, we are at the beginning stages.
Like as many people who are in this space use Hustle on a daily basis, right?
So I think we're at that kind of stage.
But look, this is, we all know, right?
If you're early in crypto to something, you gotta go through, you gotta be early
if you wanna kind of take advantage of this stuff.
And I think we're at that stage with AI agents
and the integration with AI agents and wallets
to a large extent.
And I think, you know, anybody who's building a wallet
right now who isn't, doesn't have an AI plan
is like, they're dead in the water man i mean
they they're going to be completely dead um because there's just no way normies are going to
you know pound their seed phrase into a steel plate and have a bunch of different wallets that
was never ever going to be crypto long term yeah and i think uh the smart companies are kind of
moving in this direction and you guys are obviously moving in this direction heavily because we see the future.
We know what's happening.
I mean, there was a great kind of article on the timeline the other day about how this is like the end of crypto Twitter or crypto natives trading assets natively.
And this is like this is the onboarding experience that we've all talked about for a
decade now. How do we get the normies in? Well, the normies are going to trade everything. They're
going to trade stocks. They're going to trade real world assets. They're going to trade everything.
How are they going to interface? And the interface is going to be AI. I just, there's,
there's nothing that tells, that's just the way it's going to be. And it's how, how it kind of
plays out. Uh, and Hedera's kind of really, really interesting opportunity
to be the leader in that infrastructure is,
obviously you guys are all excited about it.
I'm excited about it.
And look, I think the Coinbase announcement
that came out yesterday
is proving your narrative correct, right?
They've introduced RWAs, they've introduced stocks,
like all this stuff is coming
on chain and they introduce an AI assistant, a financial assistant, which, you know, you,
you guys have something similar. It might be a little bit different, but tell us more about like
how you can pull in news feeds and pull in sentiment and like, how can I use hustle as a
companion? Well, it's literally, I mean, I've lost track of the number of tools we have him pulling
from now.
It's like over a hundred tools, right?
And different data sources and sentiment analysis and all this sort of stuff.
So for an average trader, like if you're just a trader, just go use Hustle.
And next time you're about to buy something just ask hustle what do
you think about this um and i think you'll get some really interesting uh information far more
than you know you as a human can do uh i think where it's moving though is also this kind of
conditional trade and conditional trading and and hustle already has a pretty robust conditional
trading engine which you know put 20 30 bucks in there or whatever,
and just do some conditional trades
and see how it works and see the system
where you just ask him.
So tell me what conditional trades means.
Yeah, so really at the most simple,
hey, buy me 20 bucks of HBAR today.
And if it goes up 10% sell,
and if it goes down 2% sell,
or sell if it goes up 10% and buy more if it goes up 10% sell and if it goes down 2% sell or buy or sell if it goes up 10%
and buy more if it goes down 2%.
A very simple conditional trade like that.
He can absolutely do that right now.
And you can do it all through the chat interface.
But then the way we've modeled him is he has like a visual interface where you can actually
see kind of the step by step of what he's doing and to give you confidence in it and
you can cancel at any time and stuff but learn about it now learn how it's kind of works in a
very simple way um and obviously this becomes and there are teams already building it i think people
already talking about it on the space like building a kind of bigger portfolio management system
through ai i've no doubt that's going to happen.
But I think this is all like a learning. We all have to learn and build these tools out,
right? We've spent now a year building this tool set out and building out the engines that kind of run this in a safe manner. And I just think, yeah, there's no doubt that's going to
happen. And you're already seeing it. This is just a way that does it where
you are still in full control. You own the wallets or all our stuff is non-custodial.
So it's just, you know, this is, I mean, really it's the battle between Wall Street and crypto,
right? It's like, how's this stuff going to be built? Is it going to be held in your Coinbase
wallet or is it going to be in your wallet and on-chain infrastructure? And we're putting our money on on-chain, obviously.
But this is the great battle of our time, Matt.
I'm happy to be a part of it, man, for sure.
Yeah, I think your conditional trading engine, which leverages natural language, is a bit underappreciated, Adam.
So many people just will go to their favorite swap AMM and just pound the button and swap.
And maybe they were up at three 30 in the morning, whenever that great sell opportunity existed, uh, or maybe they woke up late or they didn't stay up all night and now it fell 10%. So what you guys offer is it's effectively a limit order book that you can have
take profit or cut loss type of orders, more complex orders that you would see on maybe a
centralized exchange. But it really boils it down simply for the human user here because they can
just say it in their natural language.
And then they can go over and review that. They can review the entries and the exits
of those trades with the prices, right? Because you guys are logging the price. You make it very
easy to review what are the current active orders on the books. And those are going to execute,
right? Those are going to execute
against SalsaSwap at the moment for Hedera tokens. And you don't have to be there, sleepy-eyed,
can barely see straight. You've pounded 17 Diet Cokes or Dr. Peppers, and you're hoping to get
that exit. You got to simplify that. Yeah. I think for an active crypto trader,
Yeah, I think, you know, for for, you know, an active crypto trader, I would just very much encourage you to go and try. I think there's no doubt whether it's us or banker or I don't know, hey, an on, you know, the kind of real teams that are building this stuff out. um so that that's for sure i i'm all i'm i'm more of like how do we build something for
kind of the normies to come in uh later and build out this kind of uh larger tool
where it this is just the way people access crypto and i think for you know i don't know
who said it on this the stage earlier where they're like we don't know what the next big
thing's gonna be right and the next big
like app and he was saying you know uh pump or you know open c and nfts or whatever but but this is
like when that actually happens and and a new group of of uh normies come in or just the world
comes in to crypto how are they going to interface right and how's that data layer going to be um and i just think
we are you know the people in this space are we're building out this this tool set
that when that next thing happens we're prepared for it right and i think yeah i think it's just
it's an exciting time even though sentiment is the worst ever on the timeline maybe crazy
it's crazy because this is the most bullish I've ever been
on crypto. Like, uh, you know, it's just, it's one of those rare kind of times. Uh, I actually,
I think it's cool to be here during these like complete, you know, bearish sentiment times when
I couldn't be more bullish on where we are. I think this is actually crypto's magical time to,
to, uh, to rise and shine because this is
like the world's coming on right this is what we wanted for the last decade and it's finally here
and everybody's bullish because they're bearish because their bags are down bad but it's like
for builders this is the magical time man absolutely and and let's have a little og laugh
here this is the longest that Bitcoin sentiment has been in extreme
fear ever as like a streak. And we're at $88,000. Exactly, man. Perspective, my friend. Perspective.
Yeah. Like, man, just imagine the bear market of 2014, 15, 15, right? And then to think that this is the longest
that Bitcoin sentiment has been in extreme fear, it absolutely blows my mind. But hey,
I mean, it's crazy. People think like the L1s are going away, like, oh, this is over.
L1s were stupid. I'm like, are you crazy, man? Are you crazy? Like Wall Street's going to need like how long are people going to want to put their stuff on whatever BlackRock chain?
Like, no, this is going to happen. Decentralized chains are going to win. It's just a matter of which ones.
And yeah, that's why I'm very bullish on Hedera for sure.
Well, we really appreciate you. Where can where can people stay up to date with all things Agent Hustle?
you. Where can, where can people stay up to date with all things agent hustle?
Well, you can follow me. Of course I I'm terminally online, but if you go to agent hustle.ai,
I would encourage you just go on there and try them out. Give them a shot.
Play around with him, see what he can do. Just start with the informational level. You don't
need to hook in wallets or do any of that sort of stuff. Just go in there for information.
wallets or do any of that sort of stuff just go in there for information and i think uh you'll be
able to get some some deep alpha uh much better than the uh crypto twitter timeline right now
sick adam i appreciate it man best of luck to you guys we'll obviously be staying in touch
and excited to see what you build in 2026 man yeah man thanks much. Thanks for having me, guys. Zep, that's a wrap, man. What do you think? Day two.
Yeah, yeah. What an end to the year.
Great to hear from everyone across that AI ecosystem that's building the kind of applications that the consumers and retail and builders can really interact with.
And, you know, beyond the speakers we've had today,
you know, of course, everyone's been following very closely
the work of, you know, equity within Intel and NVIDIA
and, you know, their work with verifiable compute
that's being shipped by Accenture.
And so we really are covering, I think,
that full stack of AI development across
the ecosystem. And, you know, great to have heard all the builders here today.
Yeah, it's got me super pumped, man. It's easy to forget sometimes how much is being built and,
you know, how the ecosystem is growing. And I think if I had to really sum up, you know,
what we were able to achieve,
and we as a community, not we as a foundation, but we as a community, what we were able to achieve
is Hedera really grew up this year, grew up in terms of having connections to other ecosystems,
having better liquidity, having better cross-chain inoperability for tokens and for message passing.
And we're just such a more mature and serious ecosystem
now than we ever have been.
It's like Adam was saying,
we've got all the things in place now.
We've got better centralized exchange support,
better bridge support,
you know, wrap Bitcoin in ETH.
We got teams continuing to build.
Yeah, things are popping off for sure.
100% man.
And I think think you know
really today and yesterday tied together well you know this this idea of institutional grade
everything that hedera enables but institutional grade defi in particular and i think going into
next year we're going to see some of the existing protocols and the new ones come online and
seeing that crossover that pollination with ai and these on-chain agents, I think we're going to have a really nice,
really interesting crossover of how those two ecosystems interact. So, you know, going into
next year, we got super, super, super strong developments to be excited about. And, you know,
echoing you, been laying that infrastructure foundation this year,
I think, you know, patching those gaps like USDC
and the bridges and these other, you know,
announcements we've been putting out throughout the year
to really, really position us, our builders,
our community for that leg of growth next year.
So, yeah, really appreciate everyone that's here.
And Ash, pleasure as always.
Yes, sir.
Likewise.
Hope everyone has a happy holidays.
Merry Christmas.
Get some rest because next year it's going to be here soon
and it's time to hit the pavement running.
100%.
Happy Christmas, everyone.
All right.
See everyone later.
Take care.
Thanks, guys.
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