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The Lil Nouns Show
Recorded: Jan. 8, 2024 Duration: 1:51:30Space Recording
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Cardinal, I'm so sorry. I have no idea what happened. I lost all audio and then I, two minutes later, just rugged me completely. I have no idea why. I'm so sorry, guys. I know you had a lot of people in here.
Yeah, it's all cool. You probably couldn't hear me when you lost all audio, but I knew you were going to rug. Like if you actually look at your phone and it says connection is unstable, that literally means like you have two minutes before we rug.
So it didn't actually say that this time. That's why I was surprised. But I just lost audio. And then I went in the discord and asked if people could hear me.
Well, fortunately, thank you, Elon, for your wonderful, you know, flawless platform that we love to use every day.
Well, fortunately, I was able to catch it and I warned the audience. So hopefully that translates into everybody coming back. I literally said this is going to rug in about two minutes. So we'll see you on the other side.
A commensurate host. Well, I'll pass it back over to you.
I've been doing this two years, my friend. So luckily, I learned something English. Are we rewinding it? We're going to start from the top again.
Absolutely not. So long story short is for those that are in the audience and maybe we'll wait for a few more people over here. You probably heard of. Yeah, let's wait for a few more people to I'd like to start English just by saying, you know, I'm sitting there in the crowd and I'm requesting to come up and I'm talking shit.
You're like, hey, it's good things. He actually came like, oh, I was just talking. This is like a daily thing at this point. Like, like, my DMs, you know, finally did something. He's actually my friend.
That's how I that's a dude. Dude, you fucking nailed it. That's exactly how I felt. You know, I was just talking. I was like, oh, you know, good. Goated does a fantastic space with good things. Good things is a legend. You guys already know him. We've had him on the show.
I don't know if he's going to be able to make it for this show. So I was like literally talking shit. So that's why I just corrected myself. And I was like, actually, he's here in the audience. So I was talking good about you because, you know, I love you.
You're the man. You're the man. Same with Toadie, dude. Toadie. So good to hear you, man. He's he's I. He's I.
Well, my son agrees, as you can hear in the background. All right. Let's shout out to the nouns community, dude.
Honestly, like prop house, like nouns, a little noun show like you guys have been building forever. You guys are fucking all legends.
Yeah, we appreciate that. I'm going to go over a little bit about now. It's not too much, but I know that we got a lot of newer people in the audience that maybe haven't listened to the show.
And I see quite a few of them. So, yeah, no, what Cardinal was just saying is basically we fund builders over here at the Dow.
So this show has been funded for a year straight now. We have one point two million in the treasury.
If you have any skill sets in Web3, whether it's media based, dev based, art based, whatever that it is, and you can want to contribute and potentially get funded for that.
We do that at Little Nouns and we're happy to fund builders that bring some value to, you know, the community, to Web3 in general, even just public goods.
There's been people that wanted to do, you know, charitable stuff around the world, and we've done a ton of that in Nouns, Brazil.
So things of that nature. If that's something that interests you, we highly encourage you to, you know, jump in the Discord, jump in our DMs and all that stuff.
But if we have Huda here, just because we're about 20 minutes into the hour, let's get into the market report.
Let's figure out what's been going on the last couple of weeks that we've been gone, and then we'll jump into just maybe some market outlooks, general market outlooks.
We'll get with Henry, we'll get with Good Things, and with Dancing Eddie, also known as NFT Eddie.
And then if I can get Blue Toshi, who's supposed to come, Leo, we can chat a little bit and talk about Ornals as well.
And yeah, it'll be great. So Huda, would you do us the courtesy?
Yeah, absolutely. So yeah, I guess strap in a little bit, three, four, maybe minutes of some market talk here, because we do have a little catching up to do.
And we'll start with this. I don't know about you guys, but I was really expecting...
...to kick off 2024 with a bang, because each of the past three years, that's exactly how our January started.
So far this year, though, we're not seeing it. It is early, though.
But the market really in a holding pattern right now, one that has everything to do with anticipation around this Bitcoin ETF approval.
Now, news about that supposedly coming Wednesday.
So do not, under any circumstances, and cross your fingers till then.
We're really, really close, though.
Again, though, because we haven't done the show in a couple weeks, I have to talk about December and really how strongly NFTs finished in 2023.
So in December, NFT sales came in at a whopping $1.7 billion.
That is cross-chain NFT sales, and I'm getting that data from CryptoSlam.io.
And you know what?
That number, it wasn't just a 2023 high.
That is the highest we've seen since May 2022.
And on top of those huge NFT sales in December, we started seeing a major shift in where people were trading.
Bitcoin, in fact, the top-selling NFT ecosystem in December, and it wasn't Ethereum at number two.
It was actually Solana, which flipped the Ethereum ecosystem for the first time ever.
Now, my friends over at Decrypt, they wrote an excellent article on this.
Definitely worth checking out.
Worth doing a search and reading that article.
And then over this past weekend, we saw Polygon sales flip Ethereum in the 24-hour charts.
That is thanks to a hot new collection called Gas Heroes.
That collection also, there's five or six collections, I believe, in that ecosystem.
But in the past week, combined, more than $30 million in sales.
So I'm just seeing evidence all over that traders are branching out from Ethereum.
Even on Avalanche, you've got a collection like Dokio, which is outselling almost every Ethereum collection.
Node Monkeys on Bitcoin.
My goodness, guys.
I'm pretty sure we're going to get into this on the show, but that minted a few weeks ago at 0.03 Bitcoin.
Now the collection with over 1,000 Bitcoin in total sales volume and a floor price of, I don't know, somewhere around 0.2.
It's absolutely wild.
The art scene on Bitcoin, too.
It's really starting to blossom.
The golden ratio collection, man.
Making my spidey senses tingle.
Again, I hope we're going to talk about that one because there's something really exciting in that collection.
And then on Solana, of course, you guys have seen it.
It's been very active, in fact, growing in a way we've not seen before.
You have collections there like Fragonas that are just starting to build their lore and, you know, at some point maybe become a staple of this whole NFT ecosystem.
Now, here's the thing.
Just as quickly as I say traders are branching out to these other chains, well, right now I'm kind of sensing a return to Ethereum.
In the past week, if I include wash sales, well, Ethereum's $202 million in sales is higher than both Bitcoin and Solana combined.
And then I'm going to highlight the forecast NFT indexes, which for me really visualizes change that I'm starting to see.
So these indexes, they measure the performance of the markets.
And in the past seven days, the Solana ecosystem is down 8%, while Ethereum is actually up 0.5%.
And then with that same index, if I zoom out to 30 days, even more extreme of a gap, about an 18% difference between those two.
So keep your eyes on the numbers, guys.
You're going to see this happen in the numbers before influencers start talking about it.
And I do think influencers are going to start talking about this very, very soon here.
Now, I also want to hit on something.
I kind of want to title this segment, but I'm going to for now call it NFT LDR, where I'm going to give some bullet points on some happenings in the past few weeks.
And also I'll finish with some upcoming nints here.
But we'll start with Azuki, who teased a new anime token from Weeb3.
And this was also tweeted by multiple anime NFT collections, hinting at a bigger, broader, but connected anime ecosystem.
And then this one's super cool.
We've got a Ready Player One metaverse coming in 2024.
That is with Ernest Cline and Warner Brothers as part of that project.
We also have Logan Paul finally offering refunds for the CryptoZoo Minters.
Last week, this one's great.
Bitcoin turned 15.
And on the same day, Jack Butcher's Checks turned one.
Also today, Jack Butcher's Opepins turned one as well.
Pixel Vault's long-awaited battle plan game arrives tomorrow.
And guys, they have a Cybertruck giveaway for the player with the highest score in this first tournament coming up.
And then this one, this one's so cool.
A new NFT collection.
It's really hot right now called Tin Fun.
Over the weekend, they opened up a raffle for 0.1 ETH.
You buy a ticket, you have a chance to get one of the collection's NFTs.
These guys brought in 25,000 ETH, which is what, 56, 57 million.
A lot of money there.
And what that shows me, man, traders, clearly, they are locked.
They are loaded.
They got money to spend.
And they're just waiting for the right opportunities here, guys.
Don't for a moment think that the traders aren't here and watching because they are.
Now, upcoming mints here on Bitcoin.
Pizza Ninja Orinals are coming next week on Magic Eden.
I believe that's on the 16th.
On Solana, we have the Crypto Undeads, who, by the way, those white lists are cooking on secondary markets.
It's 15 Sol, 17 Sol.
Again, those are selling.
And then on Ethereum here, Zokio, that might be one of the biggest drops on ETH coming this month and maybe dropping into a perfect storm.
Again, traders may be shifting back to ETH.
Anime may be becoming the meta again thanks to that anime token.
So just in general, a lot to look forward to, lots to be excited about.
And here's to a fantastic 2024 for NFTs and really to you guys listening here right now.
Happy New Year.
Let's fucking get this.
Damn, what a killer report, dude.
You fucking nailed it, dude.
Thank you so much, Huda.
You caught us up.
Tons to go over.
Typically, we could probably talk about all of those points and get into it.
I think we're just going to let it there just because we have a lot of great guests this particular show.
But you did mention something.
You mentioned something about volume matching 2002, and I believe that we haven't seen Bitcoin at these prices since about the same time, which kind of goes with this thesis that a lot of people share with me because it seems obvious now.
But people were like, oh, well, when NFTs, when the underlying asset goes up, NFTs go down.
And maybe in the short term, but over the long term, that doesn't happen.
And sentiment rises under the overlying, you know, just general Web3 community.
People reprice things, and it's the same thing we see with Mad Lads, Solana.
That ripped, and then so did Mad Lads.
So with that being said, it's not just the floor price, but it's the sentiment.
And I wanted to touch on two people specifically, and Henry, I'll go to you first.
What do you foresee?
You've already gone through a cycle or two.
You've been there in the beginning of the bull run with Kongs and with a lot of the other communities.
You've gone through the deepest bears.
You've talked to your community.
You feel people changing, all that stuff.
What do you expect to see?
Are we going to see tons of PFP collections?
Are we running back 2021?
Has the market learned?
Any thoughts of that nature?
I don't know why I got to follow up Hootah's awesome report.
Like, how am I going to pop anything that he just did?
Because you're brothers.
And so...
Yeah.
He's the better brother, sir.
He's the better one.
Not even true.
Which, real quick, before I answer your question, you and I talked earlier in English, and we were talking a bit about ordinals.
And one of the cool things that I think we're experiencing in Kongs is sort of this chain agnostic approach where we're talking to people in Solana.
We're talking to people in ordinals.
We've got Kongs, like, that are all over all of these chains, de-genning in, finding cool communities.
I hate to say building bridges because it sounds corny, but, like, it's really cool to know people that are running cool projects on different chains.
Because we're all kind of, I don't want to say doing the same things, but we're all playing in the same arena.
Thinking Kongs, obviously, with us being really community-focused, kind of on the gaming side of things, we've got our migration to Ronin coming up for a couple of our collections.
So I think we certainly think that the gaming meta is going to be really raging in 24, 25.
So we're excited about that.
And I think one of the things we learned, just having been through some of these cycles and growing as a project, because, like, you don't start a project and then have this exact game plan of, here's how, you know, here's how we're going to grow.
Here's how we're going to take over the world.
You're figuring some of this out as you go, because we all are.
And I think one of the things we realized is, like, you know, of course, people want to build their intellectual property and they want to build their community.
And some projects want to, you know, create more utility.
And I think at our project, we realized we want to get back to some of the basics.
You know, part of what we're known for is we're a little bit OG.
We were born out of, like, the punk and Axie Infinity community.
So we got a little bit of a grungy vibe.
We brought, you know, innovative utility into mainnet.
So we really wanted to focus on, of course, our migration.
Of course, we've got to upgrade to our existing game coming out.
We're like, we got to get back to some of the basics of who we are.
And I think we've noticed, like, if you can keep people sticking around and keep them engaged during the bear, then when the beginning of the bull happens, like what we're kind of thinking we're experiencing right now, like all of us, this vibe we have, like, cool, shit's not dead.
It's fun.
It brings back that fun factor that, like, a lot of us felt like we were missing for a while.
So if you can keep people sticking around in the bear, then when it gets fun, there's just even more shit you can do, and you can have a lot more fun in the process doing it.
So keep people sticking around, and then they're out on other chains, degenning, getting to know other people.
And I think by doing things like this, bringing other communities together, we can all continue to build our communities and kind of build a better Web3, which that just sounded like the corniest sales pitch ever.
But that's, like, truly what I feel right now.
Well, that's actually been, like, your MO since I've known you and why I respect you so much.
I don't know if it was with your brother or you, but I remember, like, in mid-2023, like, having a chat, like, what's next?
And I'm like, I think it might be gaming.
And in retrospect, it seems so obvious with all these tokens pumping and all that other stuff.
And I think it was Huda.
And Huda was like, I don't know, man, like, in 2022, 2023 was supposed to be that year.
And so it's good to see it come to fruition in terms of, I guess, value propositions.
I've always been of the mindset that it's really hard to provide utility unless it's a game because it's actually digitally native to a digital asset, right?
So, like, it doesn't make a ton of sense to have a token and you provide, like, all these cost-based, I guess, you know, incentives.
And you can only do so much, you know, offer merch and real-life events.
You just can't keep just printing out people money.
But if you have some kind of digital world, it makes a ton of sense to actually give value in that.
So it's good to see gaming because you did mention gaming doing well.
And the Kongs are based sort of in – I think it's at this point there's a lot of just kind of just being an OG in the community, a lot of, like, tech kind of stuff, provenance, obviously.
So you guys have been killing it.
In terms of, like, this fun, because you did mention fun and I'm having a ton of fun.
And I think when people are making money, the sentiment on the timeline, you have different topics to talk about on spaces.
So even from an entertainment standpoint, do you think we run back, like, a 2021-style bull run where everything's hectic and you're not sleeping, you're checking your phone at the gym to make sure you don't miss out on anything?
Or have we learned from that?
No, no, no.
No, I'll give you a great example.
So this past Sunday, we did a raffle for the crypto undeads, right, on Solana, who did mention, like, majorly hyped.
We had people that were literally glued to their screens for Sunday.
We're trying to be conscientious that, like, people should have lives and families outside of, you know, staring at a screen all day.
But, like, we're trying to tell people, like, hey, don't stick around all day.
But they don't believe us.
They're like, yeah, but you're going to drop another raffle.
So we did.
We ran two.
After the second one, I'm like, okay, we're done for the day.
People, like, didn't believe it.
And I'm like, no, I promise you, we are done.
Like, we gave them away.
This is all we have.
Get on with your life.
So I think we're finding right now that those vibes that you're talking about, I think we're going to have, when I say a similar feel to 21, I think it's going to be better for a few reasons.
One of them, and you and I talked about this early, influencers.
I think we're creating a cooler space right now because it felt like, I bet most of us hate the majority of the influencers in Web3.
There might be a few of them that, like.
Eddie's okay.
Eddie's like.
No, I hate myself.
Don't worry.
It's all right.
He's like.
You're friendly neighborhood.
I'm kidding.
Sorry, sorry.
Eddie hates them.
I'm on your, I'm on team Eddie.
Because at the end of the day, I felt like as a grown ass adult, that was the part of Web3 that I hated.
And one of the things we talked about earlier was that on some of these chains, you know, Ordinals, which to be honest, I degen way more into Ordinals than I do into Solana.
But I'm like, the cool thing I've noticed is like, you have these cool communities.
They remind me of early day Kongs.
There's alpha being shared.
You have people that are trying to grow something.
But it's not being led and shilled by these influencers that literally have no intentions other than to pump their own bags.
So I kind of like this idea that we're kind of getting back to this idea of being like a little bit more organic.
So I think we've learned a bit from 21.
There's still going to be rugs.
I have no doubt.
There's still going to be shit projects.
There's going to be people.
There's going to be projects that people ape into right now.
They're degening hard for.
They think it's going to be the second coming of Christ.
It's that we won't even remember existed one year from now.
Like that's still going to be a part of this this current meta.
But I think there's going to be less of it.
And I think we're going to see like more organic growth amongst communities.
But that's kind of my enjoying it.
Yeah, I think that's my thesis.
Like people's human behavior, you think that like in this whole bear market style, you're like, I'll never go back to that.
I'm glad that that's gone.
But the moment things get crazy, you go back into like your typical kind of behavior.
So I do think and I love that story about actually dropping the raffle, telling everybody to go home and then dropping it again because it's a perfect segue.
Actually, if you retweet the room, like make some comments, engage with the purple, the purple button on your right, you will be enlisted for a raffle.
And we got Blue Toshi, who we'll get to later when we do the when we do the ordinal section.
My homie Blue, he's a co-founder of a sub 10K collection coming out with a second gen and you will get a whitelist spot potential raffle.
So if you just like, retweet the room, make everybody aware, it helps this space grow.
So that's really dope of him.
Holy crap.
That's sick, actually.
You want to boo, huh?
The boos are pretty dope, dude.
That's not a shitty collection.
That's not a shitty collection.
I want to boo.
I don't.
That makes me happy to tell you that you guys say that.
I'm not going to lie.
I think we can do a lot better than saying it's not shitty, though.
It's a pretty sick collection.
Saying it's not shitty is enough.
I'm happy.
Well, I thought it was dope regardless.
Butoshi's a legend.
Butoshi's a legend.
Blue's a legend.
Everybody loves you in the space.
You're sub 10K.
It doesn't really matter about your floor price, but your OG collection's half a Bitcoin.
So I think the dope art, ordinals are on fire.
We bring the best quality whitelist content, dope people to this space.
You're listening to the Little Noun Show.
So we appreciate you.
We appreciate all the people that came up here.
And yeah, we got the whitelist raffle for you.
We got the bull market vibes.
And Eddie, just since we brought up your name, I did want to touch on this.
And then we're going to pivot a little bit to ordinals.
Hopefully, we can get Rodrigo up here.
So Rodrigo, he's a Nouns Brazil guy.
And he got into doing some ordinals collections very early.
Honey Badgers that we love.
He did the art for them.
And most recently, Little Sappos.
I'm going to send them a ping over here.
And we'll give a shout out to our resident Nouns ordinals.
Ordinals now, I guess, extraordinaire artist.
But Eddie, what do you think?
Are we running back 2021 with maybe a little bit of a different twist?
Or have we learned a little bit?
You mean across the board?
Yeah.
I mean, everybody remembers.
I think most people that are in the space right now, okay, I see the Little Sappos account.
He must have had his, well, Adam a speaker.
Yeah, I don't know.
So like, here's the thing.
This is my thinking.
Why I bring this up?
Because you have BTC running, right?
And then after that's usually the alts.
And then that goes into there.
We see a ton of volume maybe.
Not so much on the existing collections on ETH, but definitely Solana.
People were wondering like, oh, well, we're not really back until we see mints start to take off.
And again, that hasn't happened that much on ETH.
But we saw it with the puppets.
We've seen it with Node Monkeys.
Now we see it with this undead collection that's getting hot.
So all these things that didn't exist before are slowly coming back into things.
So I would imagine once we start hitting all-time highs, assuming we hit all-time highs, does that translate back to like this 2021 fervor?
Yes.
Thanks for that thoughtful analysis, honey.
You're welcome.
No, I mean like, first off, a lot of people say, oh, on ETH, there's, you know, like projects aren't moving.
That's because apes aren't moving.
But a lot of things are on ETH moving pretty damn hard, particularly like, let's say, ETH gaming assets.
They're doing amazingly.
Like a lot of, Azuki was at 1.3 and a half ETH or like 3.1.
It's now at almost 8.
Like things are moving and they're moving pretty damn hard.
So I think it's actually kind of a false narrative that ETH NFTs are performing poorly.
But beyond that, right, like, are we going to get into a fervor cycle?
I would say, yeah, because like, again, I say it a lot, but a lot of these NFTs act as beta, which means as Bitcoin does well and they look for secondary bets, they're going to bet on Ordinals.
And as ETH does well, they're going to bet on secondary bets.
So ETH and ATEEZ, same for Solana.
And then that also extends to a lot of those DeFi protocols on all of those chains.
And that includes Bitcoin now, too, because we have things like Liquidium, which looks amazing, by the way.
It's funny you mentioned that.
It is so good.
I was going to follow up with that because OCM is just doing a spaces with them.
And I feel like they were under the radar until you started mentioning them in your spaces.
Literally, it was me and Cook mentioned them, and they immediately had a massive volume pump.
Yo, I'm trying to farm Liquidium, Eddie.
Keep it chill.
No, that train already left.
Are you the one that keeps raising my goddamn offers?
It's either him or Cook.
It might be.
Yeah, I've been offering pretty heavy.
So I think I was the highest on OCM Genesit, like the 300 collection today, at least at one point.
But yeah, I'm pretty aggressive on it.
I mean, all this to say, like, the answer is yes.
And it's weird because it's in everything.
Every different sector is doing really well.
I can't count how many airdrops are going to do amazingly this year.
And that's also, it's almost like not even worth trading because all the trading is going to do great.
But you could just farm airdrops and get free money from all these things.
Like, there's so many avenues, and all of them are doing well right now.
And while, yes, we're probably going to have a pullback, like, we'll probably see Bitcoin in, like, the mid to low 30s again.
Like, I wouldn't be shocked to see a $33,000 Bitcoin or $35,000 Bitcoin.
Like, the market told you what it's going to do, and it's going to go fucking nuts.
Yeah, it's interesting.
I know I saw some shocked faces when you mentioned that number.
And just studying, just doing a little bit of research, just for my own curiosity, it seems that every single cycle, we've had a push.
And I'm not a super TA guy, but I've watched enough videos, and I got a good sense of what people are thinking for the most part.
And I'll just make the quick TLDR.
Basically, if it follows traditional cycles and you don't account for the ETF, it should hit 47 with spikes up into, like, 50, 55.
That would be really high end, but it wouldn't be unprecedented.
And then see a 40% correction with maybe a dip even to the 50% correction.
So you're looking at potential high 55 and a flash dip to the 30s.
This is, like, all of Q1.
Really, the only factor that we have is the ETF.
And there's been two other factors that have, like, I guess, legitimized Bitcoin leading up to halvings.
And they're just not as significant as this one.
And those weren't enough to offset that traditional trend.
So nobody knows.
I don't know.
I'm definitely not an expert in there.
And even the experts don't know, right?
Nobody knows because if not, they would be millionaires.
And a few people get lucky.
But when I say that is I really do think Bitcoin is going to lead this and we're going to get into this bull run style stuff.
But I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see that flash dip.
By the way, English, there was a tweet type that went out today that went pretty viral.
And it was really funny.
And I think Sobe was the original tweeter.
Who was?
Sobe.
I'll try and find it and post it in a little bit or pin it to the top.
But effectively, it was like it was a copy pasta that he had wrote.
And it was just like, yeah, do you think that the market is priced in?
Yes, the market is priced in and priced in literally everything.
It is omniscient being.
It has priced in every aspect of your day.
And it has figured out exactly what you're going to be and exactly the date that you will die and has priced that in as well.
And it's like it's funny as hell, but at the same time, when you push things to the extremes, you kind of start to get it.
And it's like, you know, we might be priced in, but we also might not because this market – people are definitely not perfect.
There are no perfect algorithms.
There's no perfect people yet.
So, like literally, these algorithms have to change every two weeks because they get imperfect every one to two weeks.
So, yeah, I don't think anyone knows.
Well, I do know one thing.
How bad or how good things can be at.
You know, I know one thing for certain.
It's either going to go up, down, or sideways.
Crusher will go quick.
What if it goes backwards?
It's not going backwards.
All right.
All right.
Crusher had his hand up.
Yeah, yeah.
Go ahead.
Go ahead, Crusher.
No, I just wanted to say, and, you know, I agree with all that.
I think as far as everything being priced in, and I agree, I think the approval of the Bitcoin is priced in.
What's not priced in is what the demand of the ETF is going to be because we have no idea what consumer and institutional adoption is going to look like.
So, you know, a lot of it's going to hinge on what we see from them.
So, yeah, I mean, and I tend to err on the optimistic side, which to my detriment sometimes.
But, you know, I mean, I think Bitcoin could ultimately be much higher by the end of the year than, say, $55,000.
That's just my take.
But, you know, and you never know.
Like you said, there's so many variables, but we'll see.
All right.
We'll go around the room in case anybody has.
And if anybody has a point, you don't necessarily have to, you know, raise your hand.
You can just wait politely for somebody to finish, and there's a natural pause.
You can go in there.
But I do see a hand up.
And is it Shadi?
You had some thoughts on the matter?
Wow, you got my name right.
I am very impressed.
Thank you very much.
How many people get that right?
I don't get names right very often.
So I just got lucky, my friend.
I just, when it comes to, like, everything that Eddie was talking about, I'm very new at the whole trading thing.
I'm more of a creator of artwork and NFTs and a big follower of the nouns.
I guess Todi is hosting with the, he would know.
I just wanted to ask, you were talking about farming tokens and all of that.
And as a beginner, someone like me, where would we go to learn more about that?
Because I've heard a lot about it.
I know a friend in Dubai that's actually bought an apartment out of farming back in the last bull run, which is pretty impressive.
The guy didn't even sleep.
But he got what he got, and good for him.
And I, but he said all he did was farm tokens.
He didn't really trade.
He farmed and sold and made his money that way.
So, well, there's a ton of money.
There's a ton of money to be made in farming.
And it's beyond the scope of this show.
Like, this is not really necessarily a freeform show.
And we just wanted to, you know, get into a few topics.
And then we have things to go in.
But there's a lot of people that have great threads on it.
I know the modern market.
So that's also actually funded partially by the little nouns now.
They have a really good, I guess, just grasp on airdrop farming.
I know that they have, like, servers.
They have a Discord server where they focus that on that specifically.
There's Discord servers that are basically just for that.
I think just kind of look around.
Feel free to DM me.
I'll give you some resources.
We just have to move on from that.
And just because we're on a little bit of a time crunch here,
and we have a lot of topics to go on.
So if anybody else has any thoughts on this particular topic,
then we'll pivot to ordinals.
We'll get into little sapos and Rodrigo, who's a phenomenal artist,
and doing ordinals collections from the nouns community.
We'll get into blues collection.
And that's probably a good reminder.
You did bring up Todi here.
And so it's a good point in the show to mention this.
So we've been actually hosted by the Noun Squares.
Thank you so much, guys, for hosting us for a whole year.
Go ahead, Todi.
No, no, I'm just listening.
I'm listening, but I heard you calling.
Go ahead.
Oh, okay.
So you have to unmute to listen.
All right.
All right.
Well, I'm just giving you, you know, just saying thank you.
We appreciate it.
So give a heads up to our listeners.
We are going to pivot, you know, moving forward, looking to,
was it Cardinal, was it from, oh, Jesus, Todi.
All right.
You can mute now.
Is it going to be from the Little Nouns account,
the Little Nouns show account?
It'll be from the one I'm behind here, yeah,
the blue one with the black knuckle.
So, yeah, we'll host going forward.
But we've been with the Noun Square, like, under their banner,
maybe, for, like, 12, 13 months.
And they give us, like, a really, like, solid foundation in the space.
You know, they had a bigger following, but that's the pro with us,
like, throughout the year.
And, yeah, we're just going to step out of the shadows a little bit
and try to push things on our own and go two separate ways.
But, yeah, as English said, just give Todi his flowers for steering our ship
for us the last 12 months.
I don't think I was steering anything.
Maybe, like, giving a couple, like, waves in your direction.
But you guys have just been killing it.
And it's been awesome to collaborate with you guys.
Your show is amazing.
I love tuning in.
And even if I wasn't the host, I'd probably tune in.
And we'll continue to tune in on the new network.
All right.
Thank you, Todi.
Yeah, so we do appreciate that.
And then follow the Little Nouns account if you're enjoying the show.
I do see here Bear Snake.
And, Bear, I don't know if you heard earlier,
but Bluetoshi's giving a whitelist from his second-gen collection.
You have a second-gen collection.
Did you come here to give a whitelist for Shadow House?
Please.
Is that why you came up?
What do these Shadow things do?
Oh, Jesus.
If you don't know, Eddie, yeah.
We don't talk of such things.
I didn't come up here to show.
I just came up here because I saw English,
and I saw Eddie and some friends and Leo and everybody.
So hi, guys.
We love you, Bear.
All right.
Yeah, so for those that don't know,
Bear's a legend, Forgotten Ruins Wizard,
called Legendary Collection.
We had, well, Henry's still here, obviously.
So we have some goats on the stage.
Thank you much for coming.
They did an Ordinals collection, sub-10K.
I'm sorry, sub-1K, 10 Shadow Hats.
They're coming with parent-child inscriptions,
I believe, off of those that were inscribed.
Actually, I know he's not chilling,
but I'm just really excited about the collection.
So a unique variation on parent-childs
that he'll probably talk about in his spaces,
but it's really cool, really cool tech.
And I just saw them listed on Magic Eden.
And so those are the shadows.
Lots going on in Ordinals,
so it's probably a good time to get into that.
But let's introduce over here Leo and GoodThings,
who have been running the community spaces for Ordinals.
What's going on, guys?
What's going on in the Ordinals community?
I can say it.
I'm pretty big into it,
but I'd love to hear your thoughts.
Yeah, yeah.
Leo actually started, I think, with Basil before me.
And we do.
We run spaces for the entire Ordinals community.
We represent Ordinals better than anybody.
No, I'm kidding.
We've been running, I know you met English.
We've been running NodeMonks community spaces.
But NodeMonks are basically all of Ordinals.
So everybody that's in Ordinals has a NodeMonk.
I'm kidding, of course.
I want to throw it to Leo.
They don't?
He's been an absolute legend.
I've just met him last week,
and we've been running spaces together,
I think every day since we met.
And yeah, go ahead, Leo.
Yeah, man, thank you so much for these kind words.
Also, it was super interesting to listen to all these takes
on the future outlooks of the market
and all this macro stuff,
because I'm literally clueless
when it comes to stuff like this.
I also think it's pretty interesting
how everybody at this point thinks
that it's getting approved.
I don't know.
I think if I learned one thing in this space,
it is that nothing is impossible.
But yeah, I'm definitely super happy.
Dude, what's his name?
Ben?
Ben is definitely going to cancel the ETF.
Like Ben Armstrong?
He's obviously going to cancel the ETF on his own.
It's over.
It's over.
But yeah, when it comes to Ordinals,
I guess NodeMonkeys has got a lot of attention recently.
A lot of people are currently, I guess,
also waiting for the ETF decision
to just see how it's going forward,
how it will affect Ordinals,
because like English said,
it's pretty hard to predict
how this affects the whole market.
But I think if it gets approved
over the mid and long term,
we will have a pretty strong outlook,
especially for Ordinals.
I think I have been participating
in the Ordinals ecosystem since mid-April now.
I heard of it in February already,
but I kind of faded it until April.
And yeah, since then,
I'm pretty much an Ordinals nexy.
So yeah, if you guys haven't spent
a lot of time with Ordinals,
I can definitely recommend
the first thing you should do
is check out the Ordinals handbook.
That's what I always say
and recommend for the first time
on Ordinals.com.
Just check out the Ordinals handbook.
It's not a very long read.
Just check it out.
You will definitely learn a ton of stuff there.
And I know reading is kind of the thing
that a lot of people don't really like
in the space,
but it's really the alpha.
Just read.
And yeah, there are also super many
great spaces that you can attend.
I know Casey Roddamore,
the creator of the Ordinals protocol,
is doing podcasts.
There he talks about Ordinals,
the Ordinals development,
and all of the stuff.
We have the Ordinals show,
which is I think twice a week.
I think this is the major show
in the Ordinals space.
You will be on top of everything
when it comes to Ordinals
if you participate in these spaces for sure.
Yeah, I know also,
I also know Blue Toshi,
who is the founder of Bitcoin Booth.
The other founder,
he developed a bot,
a Discord bot,
an AI bot,
which basically answers all your questions
when it comes to Ordinals.
He's been working on it
for a few months now,
optimizing it.
And so that's also
a very great implementation
for your Discord servers
if you're new to Ordinals.
But yeah,
am I allowed to actually pin
one of my tweets?
The Ordinals dictionary?
You can pin whatever you want.
I shill the hell out of my friends
because I think they are pretty awesome people.
That's why I brought you guys.
Absolutely.
So for those that don't know,
Leo writes really educational threads,
and that's why I brought some people here,
just because I know
that there were some people
in the community
speaking in the Little Mounds Discord
that just wanted to know
about more Ordinals.
I know Bix got really into it
and looking at dev type stuff
was pretty heavy into the Node Monkeys
and has been talking about it.
So just some key members were there.
So I just wanted to bring some people
from the Ordinals community
in case there was other people
that obviously heard about Ordinals,
obviously might have got some exposure,
but they're maybe not as deep as I myself
and all this other stuff.
I do want to hear some things.
You can go ahead,
and if you had something else,
Leo, feel free to there.
You killed it.
You provided some good resources.
I would highly encourage you
to follow Leo
if you do want some more Ordinals kind of stuff.
If you have anything to add,
if not, we'll go to GoodThings,
who's like a permable on there.
Sometimes I have to not listen to him
in the spaces
because I'm about to sell something,
and he convinces me
that's the worst idea ever.
So we'll hear a little bit about GoodThings.
Leo, any finishing thoughts on Ordinals
or points of education
or anything that you touched on?
No, I just pinned the tweet.
I think when you just come fresh into Ordinals,
it can be quite confusing
when it comes to all the new terms
and all of the stuff.
So yeah, check out the tweet
if you're interested.
And yeah, please feel free to go ahead,
and thanks so much for having me.
Appreciate that.
We'll go to GoodThings,
and then we're going to talk a little bit
about Blue's collection,
and then we'll talk to Rodrigo
behind the little Sapos account,
round that out a little bit.
If you haven't already,
there is a whitelist
for Blue Toshi's second-gen collection.
As you heard,
among a panel of goats here,
that's not a shit collection,
which means it's a badass collection.
It's an awesome whitelist,
so I encourage you,
retweet the room,
and we'll get you in there.
So good things.
What's your thesis on Ordinals,
or anything in general
regarding Ordinals?
I would encourage people
not to retweet the room,
because I want one of them
to retweet the whitelist.
But yeah, no, I mean,
seriously, that's a hell of a giveaway.
We definitely are back
if people are throwing fucking whitelists
for quality collections
in the raffle zone.
Yeah, I was going to ask you
what you wanted me to talk about.
I mean, you know,
I am like,
there's a lot of people...
Your thesis.
I've heard your thesis
about just Ordinals
and the way that it's going to take over.
Yeah, I mean...
Give us your thesis.
Bitcoin, that's the one statement.
That's the one-line statement
of the thesis.
Like, it really is that fucking simple.
But when you drill down,
Bitcoin is, you know,
anywhere between 2 to 3x.
I think currently it's 3x
the market cap of Ethereum.
It's the fucking blockchain
that started
the cryptocurrency revolution
that we've been living,
you know, around
for over 10 years.
Bitcoin as a system,
like, fuck the currency,
as a system,
is a revolutionary technology platform.
Like, there's nothing like it
in human history.
Fidelity put out a report
in September.
Comparing it...
Like, they literally say
in the report,
in, like, the first section,
they compare it
to the invention of the wheel.
And they're talking about,
you know,
in terms of comparison
to other blockchains,
they're basically saying
everything that tried to...
You know, the notion
reinventing the wheel,
like, these other blockchains,
they're cool and all,
but they're not Bitcoin
and nothing ever will be.
So that's Fidelity.
And people who've been around,
you know, know this.
Like, there's properties...
Basically, there's a blockchain trilemma
that Vitalik Booterin
coined this concept.
And essentially,
you've got security,
you've got scalability,
and you've got decentralization.
These are the three
sort of, like,
you know,
underpinnings of a blockchain.
And no matter what you're creating,
you have to give up one of them.
You can't have all three.
And Bitcoin focuses more
on decentralization and security.
That's why it operates
as a system the way it does.
But those properties
make it incredibly valuable.
Like, this is the reason
institutions are adopting Bitcoin
before they adopt anything else.
So Bitcoin as a system,
like, just in general,
is more important
than any other blockchain system.
But as far as, like,
value creation,
I mean, it's got over 10 years
of runway,
like, just up and to the right.
Like, through all the volatility,
it just keeps going up.
And with these ETFs,
like, this is the stamp of approval
that everyone,
no matter what year they got in,
they're like,
yeah, that's going to happen.
It's actually happening this year.
So I don't care
if it gets approved
in a week, two weeks,
like, six months.
Like, institutional capital
is adopting Bitcoin.
You have Larry Fink in July
telling the entire fucking world
on CNBC
that cryptocurrency
is a reserve currency
that could disrupt
other reserve currencies.
And he's talking about
including the dollar,
the yen.
Like, this man saying this on TV
should have been
the strongest buy signal
in history.
But then you have ordinals.
And we saw what happened
with NFTs on Ethereum, right?
You created a circular economy
on Ethereum
for the first time.
And we saw the boom
of the market in,
you know, basically
from 2020 to 2022.
And that just catapulted
Ethereum as a platform.
Like, you had people
now in the ecosystem,
like, in the NFT ecosystem
there that would never
have joined
if there wasn't
an NFT ecosystem.
Like, they had their
opportunity in 2017
through 2020.
They had heard about it
through a brother,
a co-worker,
whatever,
and they chose not to.
But NFTs brought them in.
So now you have that same,
it's not the same,
but it's similar
conceptual ecosystem
for Bitcoin
with ordinals.
So for the first time ever,
you can create
a circular economy
on Bitcoin.
This is a huge fucking deal.
And art is the first application,
but it's not the only application.
Like, I got the,
you know,
I had the honor
of sitting across the table
from Michael Saylor
in a private meeting
during the Bitcoin conference
in May.
And he told us first,
right off the bat,
I don't give a shit
about fucking art on Bitcoin.
Like, I love art,
but it's not at all
what I'm interested in.
So tell me something interesting.
And we started talking
to him about recursion
and, you know,
how you can actually scale
on Bitcoin
using software and code.
And he's interested
in real world assets.
He's interested
in trading stock,
like, you know,
Apple stock
or, you know,
his own company stock.
Like, that's what
he's thinking about.
So, you know,
what we're seeing right now
is like,
it's literally
the first of the first
of the first wave
of adoption.
Like, this is nothing.
And, yeah,
I mean,
I can just keep going on and on,
but the thesis is simple.
It's fucking Bitcoin.
No, you nailed it, dude.
That was a phenomenal recap.
And for those
that want to know more
about Ornals,
we did mention
Booze and Blue's
chat AI bot over there.
We pinned that to the top.
So that'll be
a great resource over there.
I don't know
if you had your hand up,
Crusher,
and we'll get into
some of those points.
You're a finance guy,
so you probably
had some thoughts.
Yeah, yeah.
And I didn't want to get
off the Ornals subject,
but I know good things.
We were talking about this
the other day
in your space
and yours
and Leo's space
about just the tokenization
of assets.
And, you know,
some of the research reports
I'm seeing
is just like
good things was saying
is that
any security
that you can think of now
is in the future
going to be tokenized.
And whether it's,
I don't necessarily think
that that's all going to be
on Bitcoin.
I think, you know,
the premise
that our analyst said
is that, you know,
there's going to be,
as the technology
of blockchain
and distributed
ledger
improves,
you know,
you're going to see
pretty much any asset
you can think of
tokenized
from stocks,
bonds,
private equity,
you know,
houses,
cars possibly,
you know,
anything that you
can transact with.
And, you know,
that way you're going
to have,
you're going to be able
to avoid,
you know,
trips to the DMV
and titling
and all that.
It's going to be
an instantaneous transaction,
which is phenomenal.
But, you know,
on the flip side of that,
you know,
Bitcoin's not going
anywhere.
And, you know,
as the technology
develops,
I mean,
it's a truly
disruptive technology.
You know,
Bitcoin is going
to stand out,
I believe,
as, you know,
the godfather
of them all.
And it will,
at the very least,
have significance
as a store of value.
And I think
the cultural significance
of ordinals
is only going to get
more valuable
because if everything
is going to be tokenized,
where are you going
to tokenize your art?
And where do you
want it tokenized?
And I think
culturally,
you would want it
on the oldest
and most established
blockchain out there.
Yes,
Litecoin.
absolutely.
Isn't that,
I'm a Litecoin maxi.
Isn't that the top single
when Litecoin starts pumping,
you got to sell everything?
Something like that.
See,
it doesn't matter,
I think.
All right.
Charlie Lee said that.
And,
and,
and good things,
like,
I mean,
he absolutely killed it.
And,
and I appreciate that.
That was,
I mean,
you broke it down
for everybody.
For,
for me and my simple brain,
smooth brain type of thinking
is Bitcoin was cool,
but it was like a store of value.
You can trade alts,
maybe go back into,
you know,
feel good in Bitcoin
if you want to stay in crypto.
But before that was really
all you can do,
right?
And then you see
if a bull run comes,
maybe you two,
maybe you three exit.
It has a,
you know,
a better,
you know,
risk reward profile
if you're,
if you're risk averse
and you want to store that.
But now you can actually
have fun on Bitcoin.
You can do things
with your Bitcoin.
You can buy art.
And this is that circular economy
that he's talking about.
You can stack your Bitcoin
if you want to play.
Some people call it a casino.
Some people call it just,
I mean,
whatever the case may be,
but now there is
this circular economy
and now you can be active on it.
I think there's a ton of people
that were onboarded in 2021
that maybe knew about Bitcoin,
maybe bought Bitcoin,
but they were just really excited
about the tech
and about being able
to stack this underlying asset.
And that's why they gravitated
to Ethereum
and then eventually Solana.
And now you have Bitcoin
that has this gravity, right?
You don't have to convince anybody.
Like there's these other protocols
and they're going to come out.
They're going to challenge
other new tech.
So Solana is really hot,
but maybe say displaces that.
But you're not 100% sure
if people are going to be sold
on this underlying asset,
the tokenomics.
And so maybe people don't want
to spend the next five years
of their life building on there.
And so it'll be scarce.
You don't have to do that
with Bitcoin,
which is why I'm so bullish on it
and why we've talked about it,
why it's a big talk
in Little Nouns.
And that's why we kind of
brought it up here
just because there has been
so much chat in Little Nouns
about it.
And I think just in Web3
in general.
So Eddie,
any final thoughts on that?
And then we're going to get
to Blue Toshi,
talk about his collection,
talk a bit about Little Sappos,
talk about his journey.
That's Rodrigo.
And so you'll get a little bit
of scope of this journey
into Ornals
from a personal perspective.
Eddie, final thoughts?
I mean, to just be honest,
that's basically it.
And this is kind of
what I was just saying yesterday.
I agree.
That's effectively
my thesis as well.
And that's why
I don't really love
some of the other stuff
that kind of gets
spun around it.
Just
it's simple.
It's Bitcoin.
Like, that's it.
And there are NFTs
on Bitcoin,
or at least you can
consider them as such.
That was your thesis.
That was your thesis
even before Ornals
got hot again.
You're like,
were you?
Yeah, it was a while ago.
You know,
people are like,
oh, it's this.
No, it's just
it's NFTs on Bitcoin.
All right.
Very good.
With no further ado,
we did mention his collection.
We did mention
his awesome chatbot,
which we did pin to the top.
Lou Toshi,
what's going on,
my friend?
Welcome.
Hey, thanks for having me
up here, English.
Real quick,
Eddie, I completely agree.
It's NFTs on Bitcoin.
That's really
all there is to it.
What else
does anybody have to say?
You know,
like there's
there's no other reason
to be bullish
aside from it
is NFTs on the
Godfather chain.
Daddy chain Bitcoin.
Yeah, I
daddy chain Bitcoin.
All right.
So tell us a little bit
about this,
because you and
Butoshi
obviously got in
pretty early.
What's what's your
collection number
just to get an idea
of how early
our Genesis collection
started at inscription
3314.
We've got 100 pieces,
60 of them made it
into sub 10k.
But unfortunately,
our node shit the bed.
So the other 40
are up to,
I think,
13,200 something.
But the greater portion
of our collection
is sub 10k.
We got in pretty early,
started building
right off the bat
with AI
because Butoshi
and I both
have a love
for technology
and we're trying
to bring
artificial intelligence
more into the crypto
space because we
believe that
everybody can
actually leverage
it for so much
more than
what people use
it for right now,
like just art.
And now we've
got our upcoming
collection, right?
So we're trying
to get a larger
community.
We want to
onboard more people,
teach more people
what we're doing
with the AI stuff
and we're kind of
gamifying everything.
So it's going to
be 1,750 pieces
and that's actually
going to be towards
the end of the month.
We're moving kind of
fast with it now
and we're really
fucking excited
to have more friends
that are actually
like just more
friends in our
discord people
to support us,
people that we can
learn with,
work with.
Yeah, I'm sure
it's been quite a
journey and my,
I guess my biggest
question is while
we were all eating
shit and not running
nodes and inscribing
our own collections,
how did you like
catch wind of
ordinals?
How did you know
that this was like
a, you know,
a once in a life
opportunity to,
to do something
unique, do something
special, um, be
early, um, anything
like that?
Holy shit.
So it's funny the
way, the way that
we found ordinals
was Butoshi and I
have been friends
for a couple of
years and we've
got an alpha group
where my buddies
and I would resell
like sneakers and
stuff.
one of our friends
posted a Google
form to, uh, the
original punks and
said, Hey, sign up
for this.
And Butoshi and I
instantly, we said,
we skipped that and
said, let's just do
it ourselves.
Right.
Cause we saw NFTs
on Bitcoin, exactly
what I was just
saying, right?
Like you see NFTs
on Bitcoin and you
ape, you, you
full send it.
And we, we, uh, I
don't know how many
people here, probably
everybody.
We are all traders
on Ethereum, collectors
on Ethereum.
So we're Boo and I,
and we're kind of
tired of being the
people that are just
receiving the benefits
of other founders
work.
We kind of wanted to
actually, we wanted to
give back and be the
people that are creating
opportunities for the
community.
So that's kind of how
everything started.
I already had a lot of
the art.
Cause I, I, I've
always enjoyed kind of
like doodling.
So we took one of my
concepts said, this is
the best thing ever
and it's smaller files.
So it's a lot cheaper
to put on the
blockchain.
It doesn't take up as
much space.
And, um, that booze
were born at the
expense of us missing
out on ordinal punks.
Booze are born.
On miss ordinal punks
was probably pretty good,
but I don't think it's
better to be a founder.
Uh, not better than
being a founder.
I wouldn't trade it
for anything.
Yeah.
I had a curious, so
you're to be clear,
you're the artist.
Yeah.
So for the Genesis
collection, boo, I
did probably 60 to
70 of the pieces and
then boo did like 10
of them.
My girlfriend did the
rest.
We were in time, we
were in time crunch at
the end.
We were like rushing to
get everything out.
Yeah, no, that's crazy
dude.
And so, so, uh, me
and Eddie, we do
spaces and we're
semi-branded with the
daily alpha.
You obviously know
chief.
I'm going to say
something because he
said it publicly, uh,
for those that don't
know.
So chief is a pretty
good trader.
Um, he's also a
co-founder of
quadrillion, uh, with
big God who we've had
over here, um, runs
an alpha show.
And he said his most
positive EV play that
he's ever done was
buying a boo.
And I think he said that
just being in your
discord between alpha
whitelist and all that
other stuff.
And I don't care.
I show my friends and
chief said this, so I'm
just quoting him.
He made about 50 grand
just holding a boo.
So like, this is the
type of community that
that's been over there.
And so that's amazing,
dude.
I'm glad you guys are
killing it.
A lot of people are
pretty excited about the
booze over there.
Um, yeah, I don't know
if you have anything else
to add.
I mean, I know you guys
we've talked, talked a
little bit about the AI.
Um, I've seen him, I've
seen, I think boo come
into the cypher punk
ghost, uh, discord and
talk about a little bit
about an AI.
Are you doing like
cross, cross collaborations
to get like this bot
out or we've, uh, we've
got a lot of different
bots that we have.
The main one right now
is the Chad bot, which
is just for onboarding
for education purposes,
but we've got some other
stuff.
We worked with Ordenrots.
We actually in their
server, they have a bot
named Sia, which that
came from Butoshi himself.
Butoshi made it,
implemented it into
their discord.
And it's just like a
very lower driven living
bot in the discord.
I don't know.
Like the best way to
explain it is that
they're alive, right?
Like these little discord
bots that you can talk
We've actually had people
talk with them for like
an hour thinking they
were real people because
and do they learn to
like, do their
personalities adapt as
you have conversations
with them?
So they will remember
all conversation dialogue.
So you can tell if
they'll remember
something and then a
week later, ask it
what it was you told
them to remember.
They'll remember who
you are when you asked
and what it was that
you told them to
remember.
That's very dope,
dude.
So obviously some
people just think that
in terms of ordinals,
it's just kind of art
and it's provenance.
And I think that that
is pretty heavily
focused, but there's
tons of technology
being built, whether
it's AI, whether it's
actual like technology
that has to do with
inscribing art and
taproot wizards, which
I'll mention just
briefly, they're all
about, you know,
bringing builders into
there, whatever that
means, you know,
whether it's L2s, I
don't know, that's
beyond my pay grade
over there, whether
that's like stable
coins.
It's it's this is what
the same thing that
that good things was
talking.
Once you get builders
over there, once you
get a culture over
there, you get the
builders.
So all the stuff that
you've been seeing on
Ethereum, on Solana, on
these other chains, you're
going to start seeing
that you're going to see
people excited and it
wouldn't be possible if
it weren't for people
like Boo and Bear
Snake, who has his
hand up.
Bear, go ahead.
Oh, I just wanted to
first of all, huge fan of
Butoshi and your guys
project.
I was on a panel of
Butoshi and I see
Butoshi almost on a
weekly basis at the
Venice IRL Alpha
meetup.
He is like he's my
spirit animal.
He's so pure and
energetic and handsome
and funny and very
innovative.
But like, yeah, I just
want to say I love
Butoshi and I know that
he explained sort of the
AI implementation into
the collection, but I
would love for you to
maybe explain to the
crowd exactly what does
that look like?
Because I know that we
at Forgotten Runes have
used AI quite a bit
using LLMs and like
trained agents, but
I would love to
understand how you
guys are using the
For sure.
No, really quick
there.
I'm actually going to be
at Ordnals are Dead
show.
I think next week I'm
flying in on the 14th.
So I'd actually I'd love
to connect with you.
Are you shilling other
shows?
No, no, no.
I'm shilling my presence.
I'm just kidding.
I'll fight you.
I'm just kidding.
English, English, English.
This show, this is like
this show in Venice.
It's so good.
It's been my life savior,
like going and seeing
people.
My family is so sick of
me talking about NFTs and
Web3.
Like these are these are
our people.
It's a great show.
And I love Turk over
there.
It's a good show.
In fact, I'm just kind of
pissed that I don't live in
California because far as
meeting up with you.
So for those that don't
know, that's the Taproot
Wizard Artisan.
Been doing digital for a
long time.
Blue and Boo over there.
You're just hanging out
with all the people.
English, English.
There's a thing called
planes and you can like
buy a ticket and they
like bring you to places
really quickly.
Yeah, it just works.
Actually, I'm flying in.
I'm flying in next week
as well, dude.
I'll see you guys there.
Sweet.
Damn it, dude.
I got to actually travel,
dude.
Yeah.
So here's.
All right.
All right.
But I really I really I
really did want to know
how yeah, no, I can
get into that.
I just wanted to say
that real quick so that
you could expect my
presence there so I can
harass you about jelly
donuts.
Happy.
So what we're doing
with AI for the most
part, like we like
having fun with it.
Right.
So up to this point, I
think 60 out of 100
Genesis boosts all have
their own AI
personalities and they're
all incorporated into
the discord.
Right.
You can talk with them.
You can mess with them.
You can flirt with them.
But like we don't
recommend that because
they give a shit for it.
Let's go.
So like even right now
we've got somebody.
You know, I just you
know, it just happened.
You just like so like in
sales, like there's a
hot button.
Right.
So like if you hit the
right topic, you can
close the deal.
Like the moment that you
just said flirt with AI,
you just sold Eddie
right there.
That's just in case
nobody else picked up
on that.
That's what.
Eddie, if you need an
AI girlfriend, we can
make that happen for
you.
All right.
That's that's exactly
what I was implying.
That's that's exactly
what I was implying.
That's amazing.
Let's go.
All right.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
No, it's all good.
It's all good.
Fucking what we're
planning for the future
is is anyone here
familiar with Dungeons
and Dragons, just like
the D&D tabletop games?
I'm familiar with it,
but I never got into it.
I was a magic gathering.
Yeah.
No, that's so that's
how that's how that's
how I did.
No, that's still
perfect.
So who and I love
that type of stuff?
Right.
We love lore.
We love stories and we
love like world building
basically.
So what we're built,
we're sorry, what we're
building right now, we've
got this discord RPG game
that leverages and
utilizes AI for story
building.
Right.
So that's something that
we're that we've been
working on and it's
entirely AI powered
to make it so that where
you could have 200
people playing and it's
all through discord,
but one person's actions
will affect another
person's action like
world.
And that's going to be
hopefully flawless and
smooth with AI.
Boo is doing a lot of
late nights putting
shit together and I'm
just kind of I'm still
I'm basically like Boo
student.
He has far surpassed
any type of stuff I
might have thought I
knew, but
yeah, like
creating that D&D RPG
discord game and
having the fun robots
that you can talk to.
That's how we're
incorporating AI
currently, but we're
trying to do as much as
we can.
Are you coding while
you're talking on the
space?
I hear that.
Oh, no, that's
actually my girlfriend
playing Fortnite behind
All right.
I was like this
motherfucker.
Are there more of
them?
Girlfriends?
What are we
asking, Eddie?
Never mind.
I think he's asking
if there's more
girlfriends that play
Fortnite.
That's what I heard.
And Eddie's looking
too, I think.
Yeah, that's what I
heard too.
He's like, do you have
any extra of those?
Can I borrow one of
those?
All right.
Very good.
Blue, I think you
gave us a good
rundown.
We did pin that
bot.
I think that's a
pretty good resource
if anybody.
And that specific
bot, like you said,
it's an onboarding
tool, right?
So if you have a
question on how it
works or like anything
about like what's a
UTXO and all this
other stuff.
It knows everything.
Yeah.
So really quick, just
on the bot, it's more
than just onboarding.
If you want to become a
founder or you are a
founder, you can ask it
different questions about
inspiration, ideas, how
to ship a product and
not maybe ship a
product, but how to
properly code the
product.
And it'll know all of
it, right?
Even we use it every so
often just for fun, just
to see if it would be able
to help us with stuff.
And it, it does it all.
It's far surpassed what
we thought it would be
because it's constantly
learning.
It has a feedback option.
So like if you have your
own project or your own
show, even you can, you
can go through the
feedback option, give it
all of that information
and we can add it with the
click of a button so that
now it can tell people
everything about your
project and your show and
whatever you want it to
after permit.
So you're, so you're
saying I can make this
show better with your
bot.
Is the show on the
Bitcoin blockchain?
No, but it could be.
In fact, we are probably
going to start minting our
shows.
That was probably
something, I don't know.
Was that something Cardinal
that we decided on where
we're going to, so we're
going to, we're going to
mint our shows on
Ethereum.
So there's no reason we
couldn't do that on
Bitcoin.
If, if, if that's what it
would take.
Then yeah.
Then yeah.
Fucking Chad will have
your back through every
step of the way.
Right.
Like it, it, it's really
smart.
It's smarter than me.
That's pretty bad.
Blue, I have a question.
Are you, are you training
your LLM for like your
specific community or it
sounds like it's a little
bit more open?
It's a lot more open.
So at least with the
Chadbot LLM, the only
input that has on our
community is that it was
created by Butoshi.
Right.
So like, that's at least
for this specific one, the
booze are all trained on
their lore.
So all of our booze have
different backstories and
they are all trained on
that.
They'll go into like, they're
always in character, but
they'll go into it and say
like, I miss the person I
was before I was turned into
a golden blob because that
guy has dark lore, but.
And the chatbot picks that
The chatbot picks that up.
The Chadbot, the, the, the,
the basically we'll call
it the onboarding bot for
now that one won't pick
it up.
That's a different LLM.
It's a different, it's a
different entity, but
inside the discord, every
single thing that the, the
boo bots say gets picked
up by basically an overlord,
the game master bot.
And summarizes it all into a
boo chronicles that gets
posted in one of the
channels for you to read.
We're on day 57 of that
actually.
And it's actually.
How come we're, how come
we're not best friends yet?
I feel like us, you guys
in forgotten rooms need to
be talking more.
I'll reach out directly
after this space to make
sure that we can get
something moving because
okay, really quick.
I'm going to simply
really quick boo and I
have known about forgotten
runes before fucking
ordinals were a thing.
We've loved forgotten
runes.
We were fucking so huge
into it.
Boo's been a holder.
I'm poor.
So I wasn't, but I don't
know.
So I would actually,
like, it's so exciting
hearing you say that I
want to do something.
I want to do everything
with you guys, anything
possible.
Let's do it, man.
I love everything that you
guys are doing.
Everything that you're
saying sort of like hits a
box, checks a box.
I would say that, that
like we're up to.
And like I said, Butoshi is
kind of my spirit animal.
I'm super old.
I don't have many days
left, but I want to come
back as Butoshi when I'm
reborn.
That's why you fit so well
in the show.
You have Crusher who's
ancient.
I'm getting there, dude.
So Bear, that's why you're
like a kindred spirit over
here.
Just Crusher with the
thumbs down.
Yeah.
I mean, shit.
Eddie's younger than my
son.
That makes me feel just
terrifies me.
That's okay.
I have a question for
Blue Toshi real quick.
Did I understand correctly
and I'm probably wrong, so
please correct me if I'm
wrong.
but does your chat
bot pick up on anything
that's been, that is, that
has become an ordinal or
that's inscribed on the
Bitcoin network, like
blockchain?
Like I, because when
someone said if we mint it
on the, on Bitcoin, I
think English was talking,
you said, yeah, we can
pick it up.
So did I understand that
correctly?
Kind of, yeah.
So we have a feedback
option.
So let's say he did put
it onto Bitcoin.
He's able to go through
and say, hey, I have
this and this is what I
want to do, help and
like let people know.
So then if anybody asked
the specific question, are
there any Bitcoin
specific or, or are there
any talk shows on
Bitcoin?
It would give that
feedback to that user
saying, yeah, the little
mound show, because he put
that feedback in, we pushed
it through.
So anybody can do that
with anything that's on
Bitcoin.
It's really just, if you
take the time to put that
information in, because we
can't do it all.
There's so many projects,
there's so many great
protocols and things
happening.
So it's up to the
community to build that
out.
I feel like that's untapped
alpha, dude.
That's insane.
Perhaps it is.
Perhaps it isn't.
Perhaps we're looking at
And, and Blue Toshi, you're
the one that.
Oh, hell no.
That is, that is my co-founder,
Blue Toshi.
He's, uh, so you see I'm
like a red, uh, blue king.
He's red.
He's got red.
He's the one, it's his
tweet that's pinned at the
top with, uh, the, the
ordinal's chat, but.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
He's the.
Okay.
So it's Blue Toshi and
Blue Toshi.
Okay.
That's pretty cute.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, it's pretty easy to
figure out because he's
all about blue.
I, I, I, well, I was
going to say, cause I,
maybe just cause I run
into you in like 10
different discords and
you asked me to change
your, your, your actual
name into a blue color or
you asked me to like find
you an NFT in that
collection.
That's all blue.
I love, I love the
aesthetic.
Yeah.
We used to have an
issue.
We used to share the
Buto she accounts.
So we had the same
discord, the same
Twitter.
And we did that for a
few months until people
started giving us a ton of
shit saying, please, for
the love of God, become
different people.
So now that's when
Blue Toshi was born and I
got the short end of the
stick, but I like blue
more.
So it's fine.
Yeah.
Well, we appreciate you
coming out.
We are going to move on to
a couple other guests.
Thank you for letting me
come up.
Blue Toshi.
Oh no, you've been
fantastic.
So co-founder of Bitcoin
Booze, also, I guess, the
sponsor of our giveaway in
some assets.
So he's been kind enough to
give one whitelist spot to
our community.
And that would be, oh, two
dude, look at this, dude.
My man, go on.
So we got two spots for a
not shit project stamped of
approval by Good Things,
Bear Snake and Leo.
They all three agreed.
This is not a shit project.
You're going to get a
whitelist spot.
So just a little joke
there.
100% not a shit project.
In fact, a fantastic project.
As long as it's not a shit,
I'm happy.
Easy.
Yeah, no, you've been
phenomenal.
That's how you got to be
bullish, dude.
When the founder's like,
look, if that's the best
you can give me, I'm
fucking stoked.
I'm trying to unmute
there.
Yeah, no, he's just a
humble guy.
I love him just as much
as I love Bear.
Bear, did you want to
talk a little bit quickly
about Shadowhats?
And then we're going to
get into our last guest
over here, I believe.
Do we have one or two
more?
We got Little Sappos.
And if not, then we'll
wrap it up.
So Bear, off to you,
brother.
Hey, thank you so much.
So I'll keep it really
short.
I actually feel very
uncomfortable shilling.
It's not really our
personality, but it's part
of my job.
So the TLDR is that my
partner, who is exponentially
more intelligent and nicer
than I am, his name is
Dota.
He was one of the first,
I would say one of the
first 10, 20 devs in the
ordinal space.
He was early on and made
sure that we inscribed a
collection under 1K back in
February.
And so we have 10 shadow
hats that are sub 1K.
And there's a ton of lore
behind that collection.
And it's not like copy
pasta art.
It's a whole entire sort of
genre, or I should say
category of wizards that
already existed in our world.
And if anyone doesn't know,
I'm a part of the Forgotten
Runes founding team.
So we are an e-collection.
And so we inscribed these
sub 1K shadow hats.
And then after that, we
decided to make a sub
collection.
It's not technically a
parent-child.
We sort of took a more
creative route to connect
a sub collection of 666
shadows.
I can't talk and post things
or pin things at the same
time because my brain
doesn't work like that,
but I'll do that after I'm
talking, but we created
the 666 shadows.
Is it on the Forgotten
Ruins wizard account?
Because Cardinal's really
good about pinning things.
I wouldn't be surprised.
I've just pinned Dottos
out.
Okay, cool.
Yeah, I think that's
what you're referring to.
And Luxor and Dota,
both Luxor, CB Spears,
and some other friends
over at Ordinal Hub had a
really great technical
write-up today.
But Dota, if you follow
his account, and I'll post
it after I'm talking.
But essentially, we created
666 shadows, which is, if you
can think about, they're kind
of the minions of the 10
shadow hats.
And because parent-child
wasn't even really a thing
at the time, we found another
way to connect them.
But essentially, we have 666
shadows, and they are going
to go live.
It is like a style of mint
that we'll be releasing
information on shortly.
That will be going live on
Thursday or Friday.
But there's 666.
And I would say just go follow
the Shadowhats account that I'll
pin shortly.
And I really think, like,
the headline here is that we
really set out to create a case
study for how an ETH-based
project moved into
ordinals.
Everything that we do has
to do with the narrative and
the lore and the world
building.
And so we decided to do
this collection.
We feel really great about it.
We've been sitting on it
since February.
And we have, you know,
some novel or, like,
first-time ways that we
inscribed.
And, again, I'll pin it.
CB Spears and Cypher really
helped us inscribe them in a
way that feels pretty new.
So we inscribed the 10
Shadowhats on block 666,
which was one of the first
blocks of Bitcoin.
It was back in 2009.
And then we inscribed the 666
shadows with prefixes that
match with the 10
corresponding Shadowhats.
So, you know, more
information to come, but
we're very excited.
We've been sitting on them
patiently.
But this week, later this
week, we're going to
release them.
And there's going to be a
chance, if you participate
in the Shadows Mint,
there will be a chance to
win one of the sub-K
Shadowhat portals, which we
think is pretty cool.
So, yeah, more to come.
I got three follow-ups.
I got three follow-ups on
that.
So first, you said that you
feel uncomfortable,
Shilling.
I consider you guys friends
and people that I've built
relationships with.
And I came here to educate
everybody and get some
exposure to some really good
people, some awesome people
they can follow.
So I think that you're
talking about what you're
doing is very appropriate
here.
And I don't consider it
Shilling.
That's first of all.
Second of all, I really like
the fact that you said a case
study for an Ethereum
project going over to
Bitcoin, because part of the
inspiration was a
conversation with Bix, who's
actually up here as a
speaker, who has been
thinking the very same
thing.
How would I take a nouns
based art collection
and put that in a
meaningful way into
Bitcoin and explore
Bitcoin?
So Bix, did you have any
thoughts on that based on
what he said and our
conversations in the past?
Yeah, I mean, I'm just
trying to take everything
It's it's a bit
overwhelming, but yeah, I
mean, yeah, I don't know.
I think that like the whole
parent-child thing is
interesting.
I need to learn about that.
But yeah, like the concept of
nouns kind of, you know, the
artwork is CCO.
So that's great.
So essentially, like you're
able to like take the art
that's already done on the
Ethereum blockchain and kind of
like move it to any other
chain if you wanted.
So, yeah, we were thinking
about exploring that with the
BitNouns collection.
And I think, well, especially
now the price is pumping, but I
think like the most cost
effective way would to do
that would probably be
recursion.
But now I need to look into
this whole parent-child thing.
I don't know.
There's so many options.
There's a lot to go here.
That's why I wanted to bring
some some people that have
been in this year for a while.
We're not going to get into
everything, obviously, over
here in the show.
But now, you know, some key
people to follow and I'm
open to talk about it.
So, yeah, I thought that was
a good segue.
The third thing that I wanted to
touch on, Bear, is you said
for the people that
participate in the Mint, the
chance to win a sub 1K.
So a sub 1K, just so you
understand, guys, like this
is these are like the grails
of grails.
And there's a lot of there's
there's some things that are
just kind of memes and they
have kind of intrinsic value
just because of the number.
But once you get into a
collection, there's there's
very few that are actual
collections.
Ordinally, who's a core
dev, has a 21 collection.
The Shadowhats is a 10
collection under there.
There's the Bitcoin
shrooms and that's pretty
much it.
There's Ordinal Punks, which
you mentioned earlier in the
show.
So these are like some grail of
grails.
And I think like as good
things have said before, like
once these things go and
they find their homes, some
of them might not see the
light of day for a very long
time.
So you said if you
participate in the Mint, how
do we participate in the Mint?
OK, so Dota will fly to Los
Angeles and murder me if I
give too many details.
But what I will say is there
is a auction, a type of auction,
flavor of auction that's
happening later this week,
probably Thursday or Friday.
And if you, how do I say this
without getting in trouble?
If you participate in the
auction in a certain way, you
will be put into a bucket of
people that could potentially
win a sub 1K Shadowhats.
And I will say like not to like
pat ourselves on the shoulder,
but it's very forgotten roots of
I mean, like you said, there's
only what there's like maybe
52, 53 million inscriptions
now on ordinals.
Is that the case?
Is that what the number is?
That's roughly where I saw it
in the mid 50s.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I think what we want to do
is we want to we want to give
a benefit for people getting
involved in the shadows.
And we think that the best way
to do that or a fun way to do
that is to give one of these
sub 1Ks away.
For people who participate.
So the details in terms of how
you actually get to get to like
get on that list in the auction
will come out in the coming days.
But I think I think it's quite
fun to have that opportunity for
people to to get involved in such
a low inscription collection.
Well, this is not an alpha show,
but you've got a ton of alpha
today.
So a shout out to you in terms of
that.
So so basically you're going to say
there's going to be basically a
a public kind of launch for part
of it.
I know some there's some whitelist
there's some people that have
assets in Forgotten Ruins that
qualify them for automatically
getting one.
But the rest of them, there's no
like specific whitelist process.
It's it's a some variation of an
auction and the actual shadow hat,
which is a sub 1K, you can win.
But take that take that
dynamic out of the equation.
If you just want a shadow and
you're wondering how to get it,
it's not necessarily a whitelist.
Correct.
Correct.
It has to do with participation
directly in in in that auction.
Yes.
Got it.
All right.
Very good.
So I'm sure that we'll hear more
about it in the coming days,
if not weeks.
I think you guys are going to
launch fairly soon.
You did mention that in a previous
Wizard Wednesdays and we saw it
on Magic Eden, or at least I did.
So Thursday or Friday you saw.
Did you really you were paying
attention to them going to Magic
Eden?
I went to Magic.
I went to Magic Eden and I
I didn't even search for it.
It just hit me in the face and
I was like, oh shit, they're all
there, dude.
Oh, lordy.
OK, well, last thing I want to say
is English.
I super duper appreciate you.
You've always been so pleasant
and always bring so much to the
table.
So I appreciate you giving me the
platform just to talk about this.
So here's to everybody here.
Here's to, you know, everybody who
stayed around.
You know, maybe crypto and Web3
gets a little less weird with all
of this ETF stuff.
But you know what?
I think everybody sees everybody
who's in the space and just excited
to be here for the rest of my life.
So peace out, everybody.
Yeah, Bear, I really appreciate you.
We've had you on the show before.
I told you you're always welcome.
You guys are basically anybody that
I talk to on a daily basis.
It's for a reason.
I think you're amazing back.
So thank you for the kind words.
Let's go to good things.
He's had his hands up and then
we'll go to Bix.
Dude, I'm literally shaking right
now.
I can't believe the alpha that was
just dropped here.
If you don't know what just
happened, you will know soon.
I assure you the chance to win a
sub thousand sub 1000 inscription
from Bear Snake and Dada is like
that is a fucking grail.
Bear Snake.
I heard Stevie Spears the other night
talking about about basically how
you guys did this inscription.
I don't know.
He said he was going to do a
write up because I asked him right
away.
Like, you know, I just pinned it.
I just pinned it.
He wrote such a beautiful technical
write up.
I would go check it out.
It's the it's OK.
Honestly, it's the most it's the most
details.
Yeah, it's the most detailed sort of
explanation.
Yeah, cool.
So just real.
I won't go into it because I have no
idea how you guys did it.
But this in and of itself is a very
interesting and cool thing to me.
I have a feeling you guys did
something super cool with it
because, yeah, when they inscribed
that collection, like there was
probably, yeah, there was no
discussion really other than maybe
like a couple like vague sort of
discussions that Casey had opened up
in the org GitHub repo like like in
last November of I think 2022.
So before he launched it publicly, Casey
was talking about conceptually some of
the stuff that has been rolled into
the protocol like parent child
collection provenance like recursion.
But like when you guys inscribed that
stuff, like nobody was really thinking
about that.
Nobody was talking about it in the public
sphere.
So the fact that you were able to figure
out another way to create some some
association between inscriptions is
very fascinating and sounds very
innovative.
So looking forward.
Thanks, man.
And just just real quick.
I mean, I know all of you guys know,
but and ladies is CB Spears and Cypher
and the Ordinal Hub team.
I think it was it was a blessing to
even get connected with them because
they they operate like we do.
They want to innovate in a way that
like has never been done before.
And so they added a ton of the detail
that I think a lot of people maybe
won't appreciate, but I hope people
take the time to read because,
you know, they really they really
helped us do something on top of
what we did.
And so and then and also lastly,
just shout out to Dota and Elf,
my my partners who Elf is the artist
who did all of the shadows and all the
shadow hats.
And of course, Dota, everybody knows
Dota.
We love Dota.
You know, I actually used you as a
case example of meaningful of using
the basically the nature of Bitcoin
and the nature of ordinals to make
something that's intentional,
because we had a conversation on
Eddie's space last night and talking
about sats and all this.
And is it you know, some people like
it doesn't matter and some people
like it matters a lot.
I'm like, I think it's somewhere in
between.
I you know, it's the narrative that
you that you apply to it and the
intentionality.
So you have all these kinds of tools
and, you know, different paint
brushes or however you want to kind
of use, you know, in terms of an
analogy.
But you have these resources and you
can do that.
So I heard you speak about it.
And besides picking 666, the
collection 666, it's the shadow
hats like that's one dynamic in
terms of I think it was like a
variation of parent child.
That's not the typical parent
child.
But you mentioned something in
another space and it was that it
does like a decagram.
So like the summoning.
So it goes with this whole idea of
like the shadows that live in this
other realm that might have like
there and you're summoning it with
the technology.
And it's probably beyond my grasp
in terms of what it is, but it just
sounds very cool, obviously very
intentional.
And that's like the richness of
Bitcoin that you're able to use,
you know, this ordinal kind of
theory and unique sats and create
something from an artist perspective.
It's not because I'm on this block.
I automatically get value.
But once you see the intentionality
behind the person making the
collection, it adds a different, you
know, layer to it.
So very cool.
Awesome things that you're doing.
I look forward to reading that
right up.
Bix, you had your hand up.
Do you still have a question or
was it answered?
Oh, yeah.
So I'm just wondering just because
obviously we have a lot of people
on this space that are really like
heavy into the, you know,
ordinals and Bitcoin community.
So obviously some of you guys may
know that this show is sponsored
by The Little Nouns, which is a
DAO.
So just like a few kind of like
questions, comments.
So currently, are there any DAOs like
like any DAO projects on the
Bitcoin blockchain?
And two, like how would you guys
feel about that?
Obviously, it can't be a fully
on-chain DAO just because there's
not smart contracts.
But is that something that you guys
would be like excited to come to
like ordinals, have a collection
that could be possibly like the
first on-chain DAO or at least
attempt to build the infrastructure
or like...
Let me direct that to good things
because he comes from OCM.
That's a DAO itself and very much
into ordinals.
So do you have any thoughts
specifically on that, good things?
Sorry, what was the question?
So like a temperature check.
So she just mentioned that, you
know, this show is sponsored by The
Little Nouns.
We are, you know, a DAO-based
project and there's obviously the
idea of DAOs.
It's been going on since the
beginning, you know, of Ethereum.
And what kind of appetite on
ordinals is there for a DAO?
Are there any DAOs that exist right
now and if there's not, just
based on your experience in
ordinals, what would be the
appetite for a DAO in ordinals?
Yeah, I mean, I think in general,
I don't know what a DAO is going
to look like on ordinals because
I think, you know, just the nature
of Bitcoin and the system itself,
it helped shape the culture that
is ordinals so far.
And the culture is good.
It's like it's really good and
it's very different.
And it may not stay that way.
It may, you know, when you get
new entrants, like I always use
kind of the poker game example,
like you get a new player to the
poker table or somebody leaves
the table, like the dynamic of
the game shifts completely.
And right now we've got a ton of
new people coming in.
These are not necessarily all new
people to NFTs or
fungible tokens, but a bunch of
ETH people just came over in the
last two weeks.
So and the infrastructure needs to
be built.
So the OCM team is actually they
passed a proposal for 500
Ethereum, if I remember, yeah,
500 Ethereum to not only put the
Karma collection on Bitcoin, but
also to build the infrastructure
because there was a lot of
features that that community has
through the OnChainMonkey website.
And, you know, we were obviously
utilizing PropHouse for our DAO
voting.
And basically part of that 500
ETH from the DAO was to fund the
team to build infrastructure so that
we could have a DAO voting
infrastructure because there is no
PropHouse on Bitcoin.
So I don't know what it's going to
look like, but they are committed to
building that for the community.
So there will be voting.
And I think it depends on when they
do it.
But as of right now, there's nobody
else that I know of that's built that
infrastructure to allow you to
basically, you know, utilize an
inscription as a voting right.
But I do think like I think, you
know, there's there's very few DAOs
that we've seen that have been
successful.
Right.
And success is, you know, it's a
relative term because it's still
only been a few, you know, years
since we had like all these DAOs
launch.
But I've just personally watched a
lot of DAOs fail.
And I think I think it's a very
difficult thing to do.
Like I really hats off to the
Nouns community because I think you
guys are like staples and, you
know, have really shown like what can
what a DAO can achieve.
You know, the OCM DAO has done a
lot of great stuff over the years
too.
But yeah, it's running like having a
DAO is super, super difficult.
So I don't know what the appetite
will be because of like, you
know, me just me personally, like
I'm not necessarily interested in
joining a DAO on Bitcoin, but it
remains, you know, that's just
because I'm in my mind, I'm just
taking a copy paste of what I know
from Ethereum.
But if somebody finds a way to
innovate, somebody finds a way to
to make it like appealing, like
I'm first in the door.
So I'm really excited.
You know, like I think we're
seeing a lot of copy paste of
concepts that we know have worked
in some degree or another straight
on the Bitcoin, like just bolt it
But I think because of the nature of
Bitcoin, the nature of ordinals,
the culture around it, you're going
to see things, I think, differently.
And that's that's mostly what I'm
looking forward to.
So short answer, no DAOs so far.
Will there be DAOs in the future?
Quite possibly.
Yeah, no, I think that's that's a
good answer in terms of ordinals
having a specific culture at the
moment.
And will that shift, you know, I
guess if somebody, you know, puts
up an idea, puts up the right
community that forms behind it, we
might see it.
So that's kind of my sentiment as
well.
If anybody else in the ordinals
community has any thoughts, if not,
we'll transition to our own
resident Nouns from Nouns Brazil, who
has a collection.
So as much as we have badass
builders, badass people in ordinals
right now on the stage, we also
like to highlight our badass
community, the Nouns, the little
Nouns DAO as well.
And yeah, we'll we'll get into
that.
So any other questions regarding
DAOs and ordinals?
If not, we'll get to Rodrigo from
Nouns Brazil and also artist of
Little Badgers.
And real quick, could I just I
got a bounce.
So I just wanted to say thanks to
everybody that's here.
And thank you again so much for
having me up.
Yeah, thank you for coming over
here.
Thank you for the two whitelist
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Thank you again.
Peace, you guys.
Yeah.
Have a good one, buddy.
All right.
Without further ado, we have
Rodrigo from, as I mentioned
before, from Nouns Brazil and
also the artist of Little Sapos,
which is rocking and the
legendary Badgers.
Welcome to the stage, my
friend.
Hello, my friend English.
Hello, everyone.
Yeah.
Feel free to ask me anything.
Yeah.
I want to know a little bit about
more of you.
So like, obviously, I met you in
the Badgers Discord.
I met you in Little Sapos.
I'm helping out over there.
I didn't know that you were from
Nouns Brazil.
So if you want to just start
with who you are within Nouns
and then, you know, how you got
started in the space.
You have a lot of background
noise, Rodrigo.
I do?
You do.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah, you do.
Just wait a second, then.
Okay.
Well, wait a second.
All right.
In the meantime, any other
thoughts moving forward in terms
of just, I guess, where we are in
the ordinal space?
Leo, you've heard a lot of this.
We heard from you in the
beginning any kind of inputs
that you have.
Are you still with that?
Yeah, I'm sure I'm there.
But sorry, what inputs about
what again?
Oh, just I mean, you started off
this and we've had a long
conversation and got into a lot
of other topics, you know,
regarding ordinals and where we
are in the state of ordinals.
If you had anything to address,
if not, that's fine.
I see Huda has his hand up.
And I just wanted to give you
the courtesy.
It's been a long time since
you heard you speak.
Sure, man.
I mean, yeah, I guess after
the ETF, if it's getting
approved, I think we will have
a bright future for ordinals.
We have seen a few very
outstanding artists coming
over.
We have seen a lot of people
from Ethereum coming over
due to the Nordmonkey's launch,
of course.
But also before we had a lot
of people getting excited
about ordinals.
And yeah, I think there will
definitely be a lot of other
artists coming as well.
So we will have a great time
with some major artists in the
space as well.
I think a lot of people in the
ordinal space especially, they
have seen people reacting to
Leonidas as well, which is, I
think, super interesting.
Trevor and some other people are
currently trying to figure out
something to fund his every
days because I think it's
pretty, pretty expensive to
inscribe these on a daily
basis.
So that will be, that would be
pretty awesome for sure.
But yeah, I will give it to
Huda.
Yeah.
Yeah, no worries.
So all eyes on the ETF, number
one and number two are on
Bitcoin.
Is my audio better right now or
is it?
No, I think that's pretty good.
Let's just give the courtesy to
Huda and then we'll get into
your story.
Okay, thank you.
I'll make it quick and actually
was going to mention the
Beeple thing, which I think
kind of went under the radar
today.
I mean, just how huge would it
be to see Beeple's every day
showing up over on Bitcoin?
And in a way, I thought it was
just a matter of time.
But really, okay.
Hang on.
I'm so sorry.
I just had crazy background
noise for a second.
That's all right.
But so going back to the
beginning of the show, Henry
was talking about like
Ornals collectors and where
it just feels different.
That narrative I heard this
morning too, I think coming
from Tyler, right?
Tyler did it from a lucky
trader.
I'm well versed, you know, as
far as trading on other
chains, like again, a lot of
experience there.
There is something different on
Bitcoin from the collectors to
the builders to just all
of it, really.
It is a different ecosystem.
But again, the caliber of just
what's happening there, it's
incredibly special.
And it's just something I got
to highlight here because
man, this Bitcoin thing is just
picking up steam and it's just
getting better and better.
UX, you know, the art, all of
So it's just so excited to even
be hearing these guys, these
guys in particular talking about
Just so excited.
No, it's a great point that you
highlight.
And I'll say for one specific
reason, it's because the
premise, the biggest value
proposition of NFTs, as Eddie
said, NFTs on Bitcoin, is
really from that art
perspective.
And until recently, we haven't
seen much actually great gain
traction.
There's been some collections
that have been pumping recently.
But I think that narrative is
like one of the biggest value
propositions.
And we've yet to see it come to
fruition.
So once we get like people, not
to say that there hasn't been
great artists, there have been
fantastic artists, there are,
there is great art on there.
But that whole culture where
everybody flocks there, it might
just take that tipping point.
So thank you for highlighting that.
Speaking of Bitcoin artists, again,
we have Rodrigo, who I've
introduced three times now.
You should know who he is by
now.
So Rodrigo, how are we doing over
here?
Did we get the, oh, Jesus.
Oh, don't tell me it's bad
again.
It's okay when you talk.
Yeah, yeah.
Let's give it a whirl over here.
So let's just get to know you a
little bit over here.
So you come from Nouns Brazil and
obviously you're the artist, as I
mentioned, in a couple of
Ordinals collections.
How did you get into Web3 and
and what was your, I guess,
because we are a Nouns-based
show, so it's just good to know
a little bit of background.
How did you get into Nouns
Brazil?
Who onboarded you?
Things like that.
Yeah, for sure.
But please let me know if the
noises are too loud because I
have no idea where they are
coming from.
I think you're good right now.
I think it was just like a weird
feedback that you had for a
second.
But when you talk, it's okay.
So maybe when you're not
talking, just mute.
And then when you're talking,
unmute.
I will just keep talking.
Talk lots.
Let me stop it.
Okay.
So basically, I started my
Web3 journey in Nouns because
there was, well, I'm not sure
if you guys know Akwa, but
English probably knows him.
Most of the people here in
chat probably know him.
He was from Nouns and Little
Nouns and Nouns Brazil also.
He was a friend of mine since
we were kids.
And he always knew I was an
artist and I made some kind
of drawings and he invited me to
participate in some contest from
Nouns and Hill.
And I made a drawing.
I won that contest.
And then I just started making
Nounish art.
And eventually I even got a prop
approved.
I made something like 20 arts for
Twitter banners and backgrounds.
Then I made a few po-ups.
I think even for this show, I think I
had made some po-ups for Nouns
Square, for many, many shows and
talks.
And eventually I got invited to
make the art for the
Nouns Brazil collection.
And yeah, that went well.
A lot of people begin to know my
name.
I made some collabs with
Ilustradora.
I'm not sure if you guys heard of
her.
Oh, she made our banner.
She made our banner.
And I'm sure that we have a lot of
art from it.
Yeah.
We love Ilustradora.
She's an amazing artist.
She's a close friend of mine.
I made some art with
Meshup and Facu and a lot of
other Nounish artists.
And yeah, I spent more than a
year only doing Nounish stuff,
Nounish art, Nounish jobs, trying
to approve proposals in Nouns
Brazil, in Little Nouns.
I think even the Prop House for a
while used one of my Twitter
banners and probably the PFP also.
I'm not quite sure on this, but the
Twitter banner for sure.
also Shark Dao and many others have
used it.
So yeah, probably you guys have seen
already my art.
But eventually I got some problems.
I got drained.
All my winnings from 2022, I lost it
all.
One year of work just gone.
And Akva told me about Ordenals.
And it was February last year.
And since then I've been only doing
art in Ordenals.
We created the Honey Badgers.
It's arguably the first 10K collection
with original art.
At least that started in inscribing,
not finished.
I think Node Monks finished it first.
But we started first, for sure.
And let me see.
Well, let me stop you there.
Let me stop you there.
Because I do want to highlight that
point.
So yeah, I think that's an important
part.
So we do like to showcase our builders
here at the Little Noun show.
And Akva has been phenomenal.
You have.
Would you just mind going to mute real
quick?
All right.
Perfect, I think.
All right.
Yeah.
We like to highlight our builders.
And I remember this pretty vividly.
So I had heard first of Ordenals pretty
early on from Huda.
But the moment that I heard that Akva
had a collection going on there, and
that's, I probably wouldn't have been
in Ordenals if, or at least not as
early to Ordenals, if it wasn't for
Akva that did this collection.
We're like, all right, we have no idea
what we're doing.
But we understand that he's going to
make it easy.
We didn't have a Sparrow wallet that
everybody has.
We didn't have nodes.
This was a mint that he pioneered with
Lightning.
There's been a few other collections
that use Lightning, most notably
Deez's collection, and so the Astro
Babes, and a couple other ones.
But this is somebody that I knew
within Nouns that was doing it in a
very easy way where I didn't have to
spin up a node.
And so it is a pretty important
collection because I remember
specifically his thesis.
I'm like, why are you making this?
He's like, I want to test the theory if
a 10K collection native to Bitcoin
from the start because there was
like the punks there, but they were
just a one-to-one.
So you knew the value proposition
or community didn't necessarily have
to form around it.
But if you were going to make a 10K
collection, which didn't really
exist, he wanted to see if that could
thrive on Bitcoin.
And so this was an important part.
And so, yes, the node monkeys finished
first because they inscribed their whole
collection as opposed to Akva, who had
people self-inscribe there.
And that takes a little bit more time.
So they were probably actually around
the same time because I think one is
like 81,000, the other one's 83,000.
And really how fast things were going
at that time, it's pretty much the same
time.
Technically, Badgers get it.
I think most people, the consensus
matters about who finished it first.
But from an actual pioneer perspective
of what was going on in the ground,
Badgers was at the forefront.
So I just wanted to highlight that for
our audience over there.
And an interesting point is that you
said that you had to do the art in
three. It's not like you had this
collection sped up.
It was specific for Bitcoin.
You guys picked the Badgers because
it's kind of like the spirit animals.
You know, Badgers don't give a fuck.
People don't give a fuck on Bitcoin.
And you have traits on that.
So how did you knock out a collection
in three days?
Well, I'm sorry for the delay.
Well, that was the hard part for me
because it was actually three nights
because as some of you know, I have an
IRL job.
I'm a lawyer and I had to do it.
I spent three or four nights without
sleeping because one day he just came
up to me and said, like, man, there's
this new chain on Bitcoins.
It's called the Ordenals.
And he explained it all to me.
And I'm such a new bit.
Didn't understand most of the things
he said.
But he said, man, we got to do a
10K collection ASAP.
We have two or three days to do this.
Can you do it?
And I said, well, I can try.
And that's how the Honey Badgers
were born.
Yeah.
We had literally two or three days
to make them and start inscribing
because we wanted to be really early
and to to onboard people on
on Ordenals and Bitcoin.
So so yeah, it was the hardest part.
But I think it went all and well
after all, because, you know, it's
one of the thriving collections
nowadays.
And we have after the let's say
success of the Honey Badgers, we
we tried some new stuff.
We are always trying to to to discover
new things in our discard and
trying to to improve.
We made some collections on Solana.
Well, actually, we made one
collection in Solana.
And now me and a dev from the Honey Badgers
also made the little sapos
that you can see right now
that I'm using as a PFP.
Yeah, that was my last one to get into
why you did the sapos.
But just because you did mention
like the badgers and being like on the
forefront of always kind of pushing
things for those that don't know
Aqua, the founder over there,
he comes from the Stacks community,
an L2 on Bitcoin.
And being that he's he came up with
the idea of inscribing
on Stacks, which kind of makes a lot
of sense.
People had already been inscribing on
Solana and like almost every other
chain, but they hadn't done it on
Stacks yet.
And why I say it's kind of important
is because as stupid as this sounds,
people don't like friction.
And the people that were ordinal
native that already had BRC20s,
they already had experts on their,
you know, on their browser or
leather or all that stuff.
And what's on there as well?
Stacks.
And so I think it was really cool
that he pioneered that,
came out with the STX.
He shared that with the community.
I know that it's a little bit crazy
in there and there's a lot of
pinging, but that's because there's
a lot of alpha.
So it's very DGEN centric.
And when we spoke on the little
Sapo spaces, you had mentioned that
you wanted to create,
I guess, a different environment for
Sapo.
So it makes sense.
Maybe just tell us a little bit about
the inspiration of Sapo.
There was a great story about Bitcoin
frogs and AI art.
So maybe just talk a little bit about
that, how you get into Sapo's.
Then we're going to wrap things up.
The show is normally one hour.
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Yeah.
So what's the inspiration behind
little Sapo's?
Because it's beautiful art,
maybe arguably better than the
Badgers in its own way.
But it's kind of a special thing.
So I say that because he's actually
said that.
And I think a lot of people
gravitate this.
So how did the Sapo idea come about?
Oh yeah.
That's a nice story.
But yeah, for sure.
We wanted to make a collection
that had a totally different vibe
from the Honey Badgers.
Because the Honey Badgers discard
is sometimes a mess.
Well, it's not a mess,
but it's crazy there.
It's for the gen people,
for crazy stuff
and things all the time
and all this kind of the gen things.
And we wanted to create
a completely different environment.
Also to onboard people
on ordinals and Bitcoin.
So we wanted to,
we made that collection
also 10K,
but they were totally free.
Of course, you had to pay the fees
to inscribe each one of the Sapo's,
but they were free.
We never made any kind of money
from the minting process.
And yeah, it was a crazy journey
because I had the intention
to make another collection
with those conditions I said.
And Operating Cam talked to me
and he said that a guy
in the Bitcoin Frogs Discord
had made some AI art
of some kind of nodes,
toads, that they wanted to make.
And he asked me to improve
on that art.
I think we have that art
somewhere on our Twitter.
Probably not,
but well, who knows.
But yeah,
so the first ever Sapo
was made from AI
and I improved it a little bit.
Not that much
because it looks almost the same,
but well, it is what it is.
And we made a tanking collection
after that.
Basically, it was born
inside of Honey Badger's Discord
and the Bitcoin Frogs Discord
with AI,
with just the gem people
having ideas,
having brainstorms
and wanted to create
and wanted to create
a different collection
of something
that was not made so far.
And yeah,
we have a little,
our prices are not as high
as the other collections.
So it's a great point
to a great entry point
to everyone.
So yeah,
I think that's it.
Yeah, no,
we appreciate it.
We are proud of our builders
over here at Little Nouns DAO.
We had a lot of awesome people.
We had Henry
from the Cyber Kongs,
awesome community.
We had Good Things
formerly from OCM.
So fantastic people over here,
but another badass community
is the Little Nouns.
We're proud of our builders.
So thanks for coming on here.
Just a friendly reminder,
this show is sponsored
by the Little Nouns DAO
where we do fund builders.
We have over a million dollars
in the DAO.
So if you want to be part
of a community
that funds builders,
you have an idea,
whether it's media,
whether it's dev stuff,
I would encourage you
to jump in the Discord,
find a little bit about us.
So thank you again.
Thank you to all
our wonderful speakers.
We are going to wrap up
this show now.
We do have that
whitelist giveaway.
This will be the last chance
to do the retweet the room.
We're going to go to Bix.
While we talk to Bix,
if Crusher,
you will start running
that giveaway
and then we'll wrap things up.
Oh, I just wanted to make sure
you remind everyone
that there is currently
a prop on chain
for the Little Noun show
and it's going to be
voting is live for four days.
So if you do hold
a little noun in your wallet,
even one little noun
and voting is refunded
by the DAO.
So any gas that you spend,
you'll be refunded.
So yeah, four days.
Make sure to get your votes in.
Damn it, dude.
I shilled everybody
and I forgot to shill my own prop.
Yeah.
So we've been funded
by the amazing Little Nouns DAO
for a year now,
for four consecutive terms.
We are going for six months.
If you've enjoyed the show,
if you're a Little Nouns holder,
encourage you to vote.
Ideally, we would like you
to vote yes,
but obviously just vote
with your gut.
Just get out there.
Vote.
We do appreciate you.
We look forward to continuing
awesome content
for you to enjoy,
for you to learn,
all that other stuff.
Bix, thank you for that reminder.
Crusher, you got that giveaway?
We got three of them.
I have it.
We've done the drawing
and yeah,
it's been a great show
and thank you to Blue Toshi
for the whitelist spots.
The winners I have are
Denberg or at Van Den B,
Vic Chaos or Victor Chaos NFT,
and Lucas,
which is at Lucas Matteo.
So, congratulations.
You were supposed to get one?
Well, all right.
Well, I almost said my own name,
but you know, I...
Did you actually come up?
Did you like and retweet the room
and you came up
or are you just trying
to make it for you?
Yeah, I did.
All right.
All right.
All right, Eddie.
We'll see if we take care of you.
You go talk to Blue or something, dude.
I think he has more spots.
Yeah, there's probably more spots around,
but...
Honestly, I'm just going to thought
at this point.
That's what I do
when I don't get whitelist.
Like, I get really bullish about shit,
like the Shadow Hats.
Like, I'm like, dude,
this is the baddest project.
No, and probably not Shadow Hats
because I really love Bear that much.
But, like,
had I bought, like, those puppets,
that would have been, like,
dude, these are, like,
the next MFers.
These are the next M'Ladies.
Because I didn't buy it,
fuck those ugly little Muppets
that are running around.
So...
How are these winners
claiming these spots in English?
That's what I want to know.
How do they get claimed?
I mean, do they...
Is Crusher passing the names to you?
Are they coming in the Discord
and going in the channel?
What's going on?
Yeah, just...
I'll reach out to the winners
and I'll forward them to English
or Blutoshi or whoever.
I'm actually...
I'm followed by Blutoshi,
but not Blutoshi.
But I'll figure it out.
What that means is Crusher
will circumvent English.
Circumvent English.
He'll go directly to the man
in the hope that he'll be like,
oh, I was on the little lounge show.
We had you.
Great chatting with you.
Can I have one?
That's what's going to happen.
So says the king of sliding into DMs.
I don't want to hear it.
All right.
This is the way we're going to do it.
As long as you can get the actual wallets,
I will get them to Blue
and we'll get that submitted.
So just make sure that they're in the audience.
Send them a DM.
Make sure that there's a way
for getting them to get in contact.
If you heard your name,
you can go to the Discord.
We have a channel for the Little Nouns show.
You can reach out to the Little Nouns DMs
and just look for a DM from Crusher.
So thank you guys.
We do this show every Monday, 6 p.m. Eastern.
We are sponsored by the Little Nouns DAO.
You guys have been phenomenal.
We typically do this only one hour.
We've run two hours.
Dancing Eddie, my co-host on Sundays,
thanks for coming out.
We appreciate your time.
Leo, you're fantastic.
Keep educating the ordinal space.
Our other guests had to boogie on out here,
but shout out to Good Things.
Shout out to Henry
and all the wonderful speakers.
Rodrigo, keep on doing your thing.
And yeah, have a wonderful evening.
Have a good one, guys.
Have a good one, guys.
Have a good one, guys.
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