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The Lunch Break: AMA about @moonbirds Powered by @dGenNetwork
Recorded: May 30, 2023 Duration: 1:02:39Space Recording
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i gotta tell you man and i'm gonna get into this for we're gonna talk a lot more about this and
i'm gonna flip the script here soon on everybody because everybody thinks all rigs is gonna come
with his takes i'm gonna come with his takes i am don't get it wrong i'm coming with the takes
but i want to we're going to transition this to an ama if you want to know how i feel about
something in particular you hit the request button you come up and ask me about it and i'm
going to give you my my honest open take that that about how i feel as well as how i feel others have
uh received the messaging uh and so on and so forth so again get ready to come up on stage
hopefully we'll have a good conversation but again you know i'm out this weekend it was supposed to be
a long holiday weekend you know calm cool collected we've got some cool shit coming down the pipe with
moonbirds whoo and then we uh i get the message i get the message from someone you might want to
listen to this and i'm like oh shit i missed uh i missed the space with with kevin which i i saw the
the chat going on with uh the the council saying kevin's on a chat or on a on a spaces uh and i i was
where i couldn't couldn't get on right i was hanging out with the with mrs rigs this weekend i promised
her some time away so so i definitely took that time like i promised her but uh i went into listening
to this the original the og space the one that kevin hosted with the mentality
of buckle up it's gonna get bad and i gotta tell you i walked away where like y'all thought that was
bad shit first time it's like the gift with the people with it at getting ready to be hung
or hanged first time shit this ain't nothing let's fucking go lack causes up here we we've been through
this i got i got the t-shirt i got a couple t-shirts with this shit on it doesn't make me
happy doesn't make me think that it's any any better for some of this but i've got some questions
for people as well and in particular uh for those that want to come at it as this was the next
this is the marking of the end uh for moonbirds if we want to mark this as the end for moonbirds
or whatever we want to call it did you even listen to the entire space number one
and if you did why are you so focused on 14 minutes and 27 seconds in that's the only thing
we're talking about versus some of the other information that he shared some of the other
stories that were told we want to focus because by the way and you see this everywhere because
we're in a space where clickbait and negativity is permeates all we want to do is find the clickbait
opportunities in order to push yourself forward because you're all so fucking smart right you all
think you know better and let me tell you j webb you know this you absolutely know this when you get
on a microphone for the first time in a while live trying to figure out what to say how to say it
when to say it is is challenging and getting getting your feet underneath you getting the the sea legs
you could say right the spaces legs is is critically important listen to it again take the whole context
he wasn't trying to say we're down less than board ape it was a shitty comment to make should have never
said it but you also could feel it when he did start to say like oh shit i said it i'm gonna go down
this path i gotta i gotta do it and it's just an uncomfortable situation j webb go go on come on
yeah i i hear what you're saying rigs and i don't think this is the end of moonbirds i think that's
an absolutely ridiculous statement from anyone who's making it i will say that the fact that you
guys are so numb to this is a big part of the problem like the fact that it has to be discussed
that he wasn't you know he went down this road again of saying something stupid that he to apologize
for like whether or not you believe you should or not and to me this is another example of the way
that you handle the little things is how you handle the big things and why i've never bought into
moonbirds because i just don't have faith in kevin rose period um i would be more likely to buy in if
he stepped down and he moved to the side and let justin or somebody else run moonbirds um the community
i think is great like has some some of my favorite people in the space are moonbird soldiers like just
straight up uh there's some great people here but i think what's holding it back is kevin rose
plain and simple um i've you know when moonbirds came out i went and i looked because i don't know
him personally the way that joe does um so i went and researched and i wanted to look at what he's done
in the past like why was there so much hype and i saw some successes in you know back in the day when
he was on the cover of rolling stone or whatever but i also saw a lot of stuff that made me not want
to be near this guy and not want to put my faith and my money into something that he was running
and i think that's been vindicated time and again so uh i think it's just another example man of
the way that we and it was funny i read this in this was in daily uh daily stoic just the other day
of like how you do anything is how you do everything and he just steps in it over and over
and he wanted to he did the whole like oh come fund me kevin you're not that guy okay like if we
want to talk gifts that that's the you're not that guy gift okay um i think he could be great
in in other things but i don't think he's that guy to take the fud head on like some of these other
founders are um so that's that's my thoughts on it and i'm happy to hear uh anyone else's opinion
yeah and before we get into that i totally agree and and you could and okay cool we got eddie up here
for a second there we were having some spinning issues with my our guy eddie so we got him up
um the the saying of you got to do the little things great in order to do the big things even in
wells there's some sort of thing like that and then what you just read from a day the daily stoic
it's so critically important and i absolutely agree i want everyone as adam my guy adam writes in the
crowd this is for him let me be clear let me absolutely make this crystal fucking clear
i am not happy with everything that took place i'm not thrilled with what was said or how it was said
i think that he is continuously finding ways to do this and it's frustrating
that being said we're all humans we're all humans we all we have our skill sets
right and so it's understanding what's your skill set why you have that skill set and how to leverage
that skill set that's the most important we we seem to continue to step in that as well at moonbirds
right you're not the guy to ask for the fud we shouldn't be doing that that being said me when he did
it i'm thinking of it okay maybe he's thinking through he just sat down with with frank and frank was
talking about how he loaded all the fud into to chat gbt and he uses that a fud check maybe he's
trying to do that to compile things versus all of a sudden everybody wants to go negative as well we
we've got a really bad situation here uh meaning moonbirds holders with kevin rose from a sentiment
level because we've talked about it time and time again that they don't have opportunities
to continue to mess up they've got to stack those w's now my question to everybody else as well and
we've got some people on stage that can start to ask what is the definition of a w or what does a w
look like because i don't know if we've got a i don't know if we got w's coming i don't know if
when they do have a w if we'll be perceived as a w i mean it's just been it's been chaotic
it's been frustrating uh the the gifts of like oh you know all the moonbirds holders having to defend
you know defend moonbirds i don't have to defend a damn thing right and i appreciate you j webb as
well for standing up i don't hold i'm not the person sitting there black cause and i drew and i
because we're all three on the council we don't tell them what to say or when they say it we're
not the keepers we're a sounding board if anything and when you go off the off you know half cocked
there is no sounding board you're live baby live tv that's the thing about spaces let alone recorded
spaces it's live tv i've made a lot of dumb calls i've paid for my dumb calls i've literally knock
amigos you know paid for a bad call uh and so when you're on the mic things happen but
let's get to some hands and again as you can tell many of you expected me to be a little spicy today
a little passionate about it by all means come up ask me anything if you want to know how i feel about
it ask it and i'll give you an answer but let's get to some hands uh mike you were up here early as
well let's kick it to you
oh boy okay that's not just me who can't hear mike so no i got i was like that that was a terrible
first hand to go to uh mike are you there calling mike no there's something wrong with your audio my
man all right we're gonna move on to the next hand wait wait wait wait you couldn't hear that
oh oh no we i couldn't hear a thing you were saying but now i can hear your voice i was trying
to be a little funny i was playing the undertaker music because it's got me feeling like things are
going in the grave today but in all seriousness i had a question because i'm not going to talk about
my loyalty to proof and moonbirds because it's there clearly but if i had an ama for rigs
does kevin rose need to step down and hire somebody and if the answer is yes who is it
and if the answer is no then does the guy who i respect and i put my money and my time on does
he need to keep the microphone and his mouth closed for a period of time to stop digging the hole deeper
all right so because i said you you fucking came in hot with the fucking first question thank you
mike for that i appreciate you putting me on the spot let me make this very clear as well any
opinions shared on this stage are mine and mine alone not the opinions of boardroom ventures not
the opinions of the community council these are my and my own opinions uh when it comes to kevin rose
i don't think he necessarily needs to step down right this second but i do think there needs to be
a realignment of roles and responsibilities internally so that you actually can leverage
people's skill sets do i think he needs to step away from the microphone yeah yeah i do uh one not
because i don't think he is good at it i think there's challenges around it but uh i think he's in
a lose-lose situation which ultimately puts all of the holders at a lose-lose situation so if he has
a community first mindset then he would step away from the microphone to reassess recalibrate and
understand what the purpose of what the purpose is and why he's picking up that microphone to begin
with because not everybody here uh should be picking up a microphone daily i'm probably one that shouldn't
pick up that microphone every day as well but i do i just want him i want him to succeed i want it all
to succeed i really do that question comes from love i appreciate your answer i i uh i just think
you know he want that people are saying he's just trying to do the frank thing or he's just trying to
do the this thing like why don't you do the kevin rose thing and like make it work behind the scenes
like that's he didn't make dig and all this other stuff by being vocal he did it by making moves
and playing chess the way he knows how to we need him to play chess the way he knows how to
i'm gonna shut up thank you for letting me talk yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna jump into because this is
not just the rigs ama okay this is this is my show too god damn it uh but it's more your show now baby
you're in that host seat that's that is true i mean that wasn't my choice but you know we act out of
necessity sometimes but i think kevin's ego is not gonna allow him to step down um you know you you
made a good point that he needs to be himself i don't think he knows who he is in this world i think
he's trying too much to conform to what the market like what he thinks the market wants right now
and that's once again one thing i appreciate about the the team over at yuga and you know we can talk
about four days for a hot second because that was what got this all going but i appreciate the fact
that the founders at yuga realized very early on that they needed someone else to come in
and steer the ship uh that's that was important to me like seeing that level of humility you know
they and whether you want to say that they just got lucky right place right time whatever they could
have let their egos get in the way and not relinquish control but they realized that they needed someone
else to take it to the next level to do right by the holders to do right by the business so i think
that's a really important thing and something that like you know i want to see moonbird succeed me
personally i don't think it's going to happen with kevin rose being the face of it and really steering
the ship i think that's a fair critique i think that's a critique a lot of people have right you know
and as we continue to say you've kevin has lost a tremendous amount of social equity moonbirds
holistically have lost a tremendous amount of social equity uh when it comes to the ability to
lead people and right now it's a smaller group of individuals here in this space which you have to
lead you have to drive that culture you have to drive a winning organization winning is not something
that automatically happens you you're not you're not born a winner as much as we'd like to say i'm a
you know born leader born winner no you gotta learn you gotta drive you gotta grind you know that that
type that type of stuff takes time so either way let's keep going to some hands eddie get in here and
then we'll go to amid yo um hopefully i don't cut out because i might be going through a bit of a dead
zone in a sec but um i just so a couple things one i don't think that he needs to step down um
though i i do think he it would be optimal if he switched positions and and like did major like
you said internal reshuffling i also don't think he should step down from the mic in fact i think he
maybe should step up to the mic and just do more talking just not about things that he clearly does
not understand um in fact and it should focus less on his thoughts and more on his ability to like
have good thoughts with other people that actually do know what they're talking about uh because it's
clear that he doesn't and it's things like for example like everyone focused on the uh a lot of
people are focusing on the ape part it's not the ape part that really pissed me off it was the pudgy
penguin part and it had nothing to do with like oh he's calling out luca no he's not calling out luca
like that wasn't what pissed me off he actually even praised him it was that he didn't understand
the product at all completely just blank on on what the product difference was he was like well you
know gary v put out the put out v toys and put them out in toys r us and those didn't do so hot but
everyone's going all excited about the pudgy penguins toys they are vastly different products like vastly
it's as if he said oh yeah you know this company launched hot wheels race cars but this one which
launched a racing video game did really well and i don't get it because they're both about cars so how
did the how did the video game do really well while the toys didn't they're completely different things
and he was comparing them as if they're apples and oranges and he's saying this it's like this isn't
completely off the cuff he says like okay yeah we uh i i heard from the from the people in the
discord that we should go and you know do this fud thing so i was down for it this isn't like
something that he was just you know on a saturday morning let's just fuck around and do this
obviously they've had internal conversations about the fact that there's just less conversation about
moonbirds in general and when there's fud there's conversation like now we're talking about moonbirds
where a week ago we weren't right so they want to do things that drum up conversation and also
obviously kevin rose said that over the weekend he spent some time to literally look at the price
like he took you some time to look at the price differences at the top of board ape at the bottom
so on so forth so these opinions are not things that they've come to accidentally and oftentimes when
you talk to uh when you talk to people across the team and i'm not calling out anyone but like
stevie and and mazel and and rose and you hear all of their contributions on a point there they
generally tend to be fairly aligned which leads me to think like okay they've at least had some
level of conversation whether casual or otherwise as to this prior and they're almost always completely
off base it's like it's it's it's amazing that they've basically not been able to do anything that
got people excited at all since the moonbirds drop apart from like a very specific subset of holders
and that also leads me to wonder one other thing it's like when you when you as a founder are so
off base in so many of your opinions relating to like this specific space i just i wonder if that
kind of incentive not incentivizes but gathers together a community of holders that also are just
like they're aligned with you but that means that they're also off base in their a way that they
appreciate and think about the space and i i wonder if that is in and of itself its own massive
problem that's just like a lot of holders don't know what they're talking about for one reason or
another or always so confused and always say like oh they're just fudding because they just want to
like pick a pick something to fud the reality is it's not just about like rigs you said oh it's you
know a lot of people will just clamor onto things because it draws attention you know when frank
d gods or pudgy penguins talk about their toys or the ordinal launch or other things that are
positive and bring positive attention those spaces are equally as big so if you're going to tell me
that you can only draw attention via negative drama i get that it might be easier but you can definitely
do it with positivity and it's definitely worked for some of the major major teams but it just like
it just so happens that the only one that never works for and they never get it are moonbirds and
at some point i'm gonna i'm personally going to take that blame away from the community which
supposedly just likes to fud and blame it more on the founders that just simply can't figure it out
no i think i think it's a totally fair critique and i appreciate that and my point wasn't necessarily
around the projects that people like to clam around negativity if you look towards a ton of these
spaces they're all clickbait spaces a vcon was a rug had like 2500 people in it again it's just the
the negativity of the sentiment around it but no i i feel you there and i can tell you i don't want to
speak for everybody well one i can't speak for everybody in the community uh but i definitely can
can lean into the fact that most of us that i at least align with and that i am part of aren't here
just blindly supporting we we absolutely want to see more we absolutely expect more we absolutely
believe there is more i i will say when it comes to the and i appreciate the comment around the pudgy
versus v friends and him not knowing the the entire project product and so on and so forth and i actually
was sitting there during that period of time as well and saying this is interesting listening to
people argue and both sides are wrong you know first off v friends launched in macy's not toys r us
and so you know there were both both sides of the argument where it was like wrong wrong wrong we've got
to stay in touch with what is taking place and so i felt like people were just fighting over fighting
the fight you know when the when the pudgy representative and i'm not saying pudgy from the the team but the
community representative came up there and was blasting him all blasting off on him about the
the differences i was like dude one you're coming off is extremely arrogant and two it just is a bad
take from a standpoint of tonality that's the other aspect is we've got to continue to listen to the
non-verbal cues which is harder on the twitter spaces but we've got to find ways to not just listen
not just listen to the words but listen to the tone and how things are coming and what's being said
because there's where you can really get to authenticity of things so no i i absolutely
agree and and i will say on the pudgy statement i think his again messaging messaging messaging
for some reason we cannot seem to get a message fucking correct at times but the message wasn't
necessarily about the product either it was about the sentiment and the fact that a community like
v friends couldn't rally around these toys but then all of a sudden the sentiment around the
community like pudgies and again if you listen to it it was more a compliment to pudgies but the
messaging on it was so poor you missed the entire message right and so i i totally agree eddie and i i like
the comment as well around maybe it's time to step up to the mic not away from the mic and actually
speak to things that you can add value to and that you understand we were just talking about that a
little bit in our office earlier this morning on some of the things that i think he could do so
eddie i appreciate you coming up this may be the first time you came up on stage as well the lunch
lunch break so uh always more than welcome all takes all sides uh that's what we try to drive
here so amed get get in here so that'd be lovely people haven't been up here in a second i hope
you and j webber well um very neutral take i don't own any assets i i think one of the most
critical comments that i have to say is that for a founder which you know as subjective as it is you
know where we look to a leader slash founder for like vision and communication and decision making and
you know adaptability and etc to come up on stage and not necessarily speak upon what really truly
matters to you the project community and begin to comment on others is where i think kind of what
eddie was trying to point to is flawed i don't think that as a founder not necessarily it's not your job
i don't think that in a particular position that he was in given his communication history that should
have been something as a subject for him he shouldn't have gone up and discussed other projects in the
hopes and or uh i guess you know pushing direction to bring some limelight to you know moonbirds doesn't
not that it even needs it regardless of the fact and i think that's the biggest critical comment is
for a founder to step up that's so highly looked up to in the space with a phenomenal project and a
phenomenal community jump up on space and almost leverage the quote-unquote downfall of the projects
that he picked up does it make sense and i don't think that's what's expected nor that is required
you know someone like him in this space and i think that for me was the biggest critical points
and and similar to what eddie was saying kind of nailed on a lot of key points about you know
comparing other projects and comparing floor prices and whatnot as clickbait as it is and whatnot like
there's no need for it you know what sentiment did that bring you you know what value did that bring
to your project or to your community or to you as a founder you know and i think that's that was
my biggest hot take on that is it's quite frankly like not needed um i just want to chime in on that
yeah i i agree and it makes me wonder where is his head at with like with everything right now
like is his head even in the right place to be the person to continue to drive this forward and
i guess rigs a question i have for you if you don't think that he should step down which is totally fair
at you at some point there has to be something like you can't just keep stepping in it over and over
and have the misses and if he's going to be the face of the project he's the ceo you know everything
we've talked about extreme ownership ad nauseum but the mistakes that add up like at some point
it has to be one of those things where it's like you can only get so many misses so i'm just curious
for you what would it take for you to kind of change your tune on him being the right person
i think the right the term right person is a challenging term in general and i don't want
to dance around this by any means i'm going to get to an answer uh i think when you look at frontman
face of the organization that kind of conversation not necessarily ceo running the org there's two
two ways of thought but let's just go with your original question of what would it take
uh it would that's that's a challenging question i i'm trying to be cautious with my words um
fuck it we ball let's just say that uh it it would not it's not too far off we're not too far off to
be perfectly frank we've got to start to see i want to know in in a concise way very shortly
that there is a plan to tie this entire ecosystem together keep in mind we got mythics coming soon
right then we got the these uh you know the faux tokens the the and i say faux not erc 20 tokens but
like uh ecosystem tokens called talents coming what's the strategy around this is there a strategy around
this is there a gamified aspect to this if there's not those are the things that i would look at and
say we're not running things we're we're letting the the space run us versus us running the organization
i'd like to get and i know we've got some hands i'd like to get lacos's take on this or drew's take for
you know we're both all three of us are community council members we we all care tremendously about this
this team as well as this this project in this community but we're also we're also people that
have money invested in it right so we've got to think personally about that stuff well and we care
about the community so lacos let's just turn our mics off let's go unmute rigs i did expect a spicy rigs
and we got the kind of salt and pepper i was i was coming in to be there to kind of bring you back
but you you you stayed off the moon i like it man uh no good take and uh i i i like the spaces i i
agree comparing the the price to somebody else i would if i were k row i would just have a rule
i don't mention other projects by name period because um i think there was something before that that
happened and you just you know you just can't they have their own community and you're inviting uh
not fud what would you call that uh rigs whatever when you upset the other community and there's just
a whole bunch of bad press yeah you're inviting backlash i mean backlash yeah yeah backlash don't
don't invite backlash from other communities you know we got our own stuff to deal with but
other than that it was great wasn't it great getting kevin you know to kind of talk and do
stuff and i agree with uh and i think it was i don't know who said it that said actually what we
need is a little more of that not less um that's what i would say i i like listening to kevin he's
he's a smart dude you know i joined uh proof because of kevin and and all that so i i want to hear it
if kevin's gone i'll say this i am not leaving proof ecosystem moonbirds any of that i've said that
multiple multiple times if kevin left i gotta be honest i i would have to reassess that because
that's why i joined and not that i mean stevie's great forest is great they've got a great team
but if kevin left i mean it would it would like like let's say yuga bought proof and now we got all
this we're all going to get you know ape coins and all kinds of great shit was going to happen i'd
probably head out that's just me you're out of your mind dreary but that um that that's i think
the problem in the space you have 10 20 30 000 folders and everyone has its own view its own goals um
people are there for different reasons and that's what makes it so hard um yeah i've been kind of
sitting here listening i love everyone's take i for this one for me i it's one of those like we've
been talking about this we see issues over and over again we've recommended proper comms strategy um
marketing and they just they don't they say they're listening but they haven't fully
actioned on it um and for me it's like what like why is it that they haven't done so right like we've
had issues with comms we've had issues with how they approach um information and we keep having it
over and over and over again so when is it going to be that people just get fed up and i think
yesterday i saw a ton of a ton i saw at least five or six people that just floor their moonbirds that
were there since they won and they just said like after yesterday like that was it it was enough
um so for me it is yesterday was a bit of a difficult day also because i'm an ape at heart
i know uh briggs you have one too been with that community running strong with a bunch of um
subgroups and and private dms there so what i found a little bit unfair and here's my take
one i think people that people are quite insecure in the space um a lot of them are in and over their
heads and they're quite protective of their bags because of that and as soon as you mentioned two
different projects in the same sentence people just lose their minds i think you can have conversations
around various projects and comparisons but to what you guys said like you have to make it like you have
to compare apples to apples so for example if we're bringing up yuga versus proof all-time highs i don't
think that's a fair comparison for me what's a little bit more fair would be value exchange right like yeah
uh yuga's all-time highs 140 or whatever that was i get it but around that time that's when you got what
a minimum of 80k worth of eight coin if you had switched it on that day that you got it you've
gotten a free mutant which was around probably 30 or 40 each so if anything value exchange yuga was
years above um proof and i think what's rubbing a lot of people off the wrong way too is that
i can see someone getting away with comparisons like that if they're at the top or if they're delivering
and they're trying to challenge those top projects but unfortunately we've seen proof
with the missteps that they've had over the years over the year and a half now or however long that's
been we're we're not in a position to be having those conversations i think the team should be heads
down um building delivering value to collectors and getting those w's and i think for me the question
would be is and i don't know if it was fully answered but like what will be a big w for the
the team right like what is it going to be what's it going to take for them to really swap out that
sentiment and i'm curious to know both rigs and jweb's perspective for someone that's like fully in the
project versus someone that's not what do you guys think that is that catalyst that truly turns things
around for the project jweb i think you're you're probably the better person to answer this from
the outsider right um i guess real quick on on what he said i agree with i think that was very well said
and uh i appreciate just how level-headed it was as well i think what rub just real quick me the wrong
way on the the ape value side of things was how the ape founders like went out of their way to never
want to talk about floor price like they hated it they brought it up on that nelk podcast you know
a year ago how they they hate talking about the floor price because that's not what matters today
it's what they're trying to build so to me it felt like an unnecessary jab uh that wasn't backed up by
anything you know to i think they need to like i think mythics needs to be cool i don't understand like
so much of the the shit that they hyped up that that could have been awesome but they scrapped it
and so i think they need to execute like the proof conference sounded like it was going to be great
like rigs you and so many other people have talked about how awesome the irl events are and for them to
scrap that seemed like a miss when they showed what high rise had originally looked like and they
scrapped that too that seemed like a miss like high rise looked dope as hell proof sounded the conference
sound like it was going to be really great um so for me it's like they need to like take some of
these things and actually just execute on them and build that momentum like and not like little like
yes you need to hit little w's but they need to hit some fucking home runs like plain and simple at the
end of the day if you want to win in this market you got to hit some fucking dingers man and uh they
just haven't done that in a long time yeah i mean i i think that was extremely well said we i keep
saying we've got to stack w's but every time we we take more losses it requires a bigger w to offset
right and so it begins to require more of those dingers than those singles and doubles that i think are
easier to come by and so i i i think it's really going to take a splash of over overachieving so like
say mythics is coming out which it is right there needs to be something tied alongside of mythics that
was unexpected that is absolutely incredible from whether it's a storytelling situation or something
that's coming down the the path like behind it that that it is attached to that people say oh
shit okay this is more than just some art on a blockchain you know and here we are we've got
another 20 000 tokens there's just got to be something bigger and that that's short-term uh
thought process there but that's the only thing i can see that'll potentially even change the sentiment and
even that uh i it's it's a challenge i see right now with the people we have here you know we already
basically let's let's put it all out on the table right we basically put two sides against each other
from apes and and moonbirds from the start when we went cc0 and rugged ip because the h were so
uh ip they were ip maxis right and i i've again i've been part of the apes i am part of the apes
this is not a knock against the apes i'm being clear and so the apes are the biggest and the baddest
community in the space right they're the loudest they're the most well known they're they've got some
of the highest valued assets attached to them i don't know if they're ever going to get over the the
swap to cc0 everything will always come back and so i think part of this is it's going to take time
and when i mean by time it's going to take new entrance into the space it's going to take
eyeballs going elsewhere in the space it's going to take a lot man and we're in for a long ride
you know people always come at me why the fuck do you still own this moonbird why the
are you still involved in this project well because i want to be secondly i've written all
this stuff off basically as zeros in the moonbird ecosystem not that i hope it goes there but it
allows me to mentally proceed with my actions associated with this in order to try to drive
value back to the community that that i care about otherwise i would get so wrapped up and numbered
number go down number go down number go down that's my why i want to drive value back to this
community one way or another and i i think i have the capability of doing that alongside of some of
the other incredible people that's here but real quick i think it's fucking ridiculous that people
hold on i i think it's fucking ridiculous that people care so much about whether or not you're going
to continue to be a moonbird like just mind your own fucking business for the most part with uh
what other people are doing but that's just that's just me trying to and you know it was funny i was
reading about that in daily stoic just the other day as well like just give less shits about things
that don't affect you that's all i have to say about that eddie you were about to pop in what's
up yeah just super fast i'm just curious um you say regardless of the price because you basically
written it off so investment doesn't really factor in um that you want to deliver value back to the
community why like if if they're not delivering you strong value back they have they have to me though
that's the thing that nobody else i look at value differently and value to me doesn't just come in a
monetary number go up uh my value to me came with the community that i've come to know and love and
care about and build some incredible relationships with which those relationships in turn created a
full-time job opportunity for me in this space that i chased for 13 months that is value that came
directly by my input into this community good input creates good output right and i know not everybody is
here for community everyone's here from for a lot of people are here for number go up but if you drop
the reason i'm proud of this community is because if you drive headfirst into this community and put
good into it good things do come out of it whether there be other opportunities that come from this
whether there be great friendships that come from this whether there be art whether you're an artist and
all if you listen to derek by the way on that space which was towards the very end derek his life as
an artist in this space has changed because of proof so there's so many cool things that come from
this it just hasn't hit the masses and i'm eddie i am not blind blind loyal let me be like i've talked
about that i'm frustrated along with other people do i want these numbers to go up of course i do because
that's that's overall general sentiment the market dictates the value right and so if we if we don't
change the sentiment the mark market will continue to dictate number go down which ultimately creates
a different value prop and a different level of inner engagement with that community we see that
every day as prices go down the the number of participants in that ecosystem goes down as well
and so i want to make sure i continue to try to prop up those individuals i mean jams on stage here with
me but the you know i could go down the list of tebow's here uh katie mike l dow jones aaron uh i
could i know jed's out of it but jed's here jk's here i could go down the list of people just listening
in the crowd that i've got an incredible uh value from by building those relationships so that's why i
say it this way eddie and i want to put so much into this community that i do believe set the path for
me to do great things in this space when i started to really think about this as a possible career
opportunity i i can say i won financially as well as um you know the community and the people i've met
and the other things that i'm doing based on the fact i'm in the proof ecosystem so you know tonight
i've won both well drew that's a that's a nice thing i'm 250 000 usd value down on my moonbird collection
so for those of you that are questioning why i that i care whether it's money or not that is a
true fucking statement that mrs rigs thank god i can say it in an office at this point not have her
come around the corner and be like excuse me motherfucker yeah if anyone should be on the
timeline begging for money for a new iphone it's rigs you know i want to hop in here and just add like
what's going on like slowly is that people in the moonbirds ecosystem are finding the right people are
finding the value so communally just as the case with derek the artist um stories and narratives and
opportunities are being sought after and executed on in in that way for other people who have different
agendas whether it be that you want to be a social audio personality like rigs or whatever those people
are also positioning and so all of these chess pieces are moving slowly now i think we know at this
point that like moonbirds operates at a different cadence than let's say like the average or the
degen side of nfts and web3 and like that's like where all of this like divergence comes from where all
of this like controversy and all that i'm sorry not all of it but a lot of it comes down to the fact that
there are certain people who are positioned in this point of view and this like you know habitual cadence of
like you know xyz xyz week after week and then there's other things that are going on in the
moonbirds ecosystem that's happening at a slower pace and eddie i don't know why you disagree that
seems like a not because they move at a faster pace than other people in the ecosystem they literally
have a faster moonbirds have have one of the fastest cadences what do you okay and uh i'm not sure
okay so okay so let's let's go through it azuki what have they actually released and like how many
things have they actually really released um they had the contract your c721 they had the azuki's
themselves they had the beans they had um the what's it called the writ the f1 whole thing that
they did around f1 they're probably going to have a um a release in the next month or two
okay wait so on june no no hold on i'm finishing like that is hold on guys things that's like seven
things maybe since their start you've had like five not five you've had like three or four rails from
moonbirds you've had their uh the what's it called in chain art you've had multiple announced like you've
had things that were supposed to be like proof conference let's assume that that was supposed to
happen in terms of cadence things that they were working on you're supposed to have proof conference
potentially mythics by this point in time this year but didn't happen yet um you've had a lot of
things that they've said that they were going to do that they just either didn't do or whatever but
ultimately announcements or at least potential announcements much more from moonbirds than you're
seeing from people across the space honestly like i'm seeing honestly from moonbirds higher level of
output or higher level of attempted output than i've seen from a lot of other the names that
you're going to look at like d gods like azuki like whatever and honestly i think that's just a
completely wrong statement like they they have a faster cadence it's just almost always what about
their community council that was set up pretty late in comparison to a lot of other community
councils would you agree on that fake it's not like that's not like that's not okay yeah and i'm
gonna chime in here just for a quick second get us on track again we're coming to the final 10 minutes
of things and i actually see it from both sides uh eddie i i agree actually i was it's funny you
brought up azuki i was tallying like side by side announcements or executables from big projects to
moon and moon birds has right or wrong moon birds has done a lot of stuff and it's not landed it's
not hit it's either orbit or been screwed up right but like the there's a different there's a different
like feel to the to the level of things so maybe cated so i could push back on the cadence thing but i
don't want to like monopolize the whole thing i think there's i think there's categories of differences
between some of the more degenerative uh sides of the nft stuff and the other like we could talk
about cadence being a quality of of the differences but it doesn't like i don't know if we need to
hyper focus on that is what i'm saying the just the cadence yeah i i don't think we need to hyper
focus on the the comparisons between anybody right you know i think we've got a hyper focus on executing
i think we've got a hyper focus on delivering something of substance that people truly care
about and believe in and but that's my whole point i think that they're lining up for things are lining
up for that in a way that i feel like a lot of people's perspectives they're very happy about the
way that it's lining up like i i could you know myself included and so i you know and just people from
outside the community are are not happy and then i'm just like but like yo we're good like it's cool
though like i'm happy with what's going on it's very weird to like hear other people be yeah i mean
i i think it's one of those things that also when we say we're happy about it because i i'm happy
about the the direction at this point i'm happy that we have a little clarity doesn't change that i'm
not happy with the misses i'm not happy with with all these it's kind of like if you got a win loss
tally and the wins are over here and the losses are stacking on top it it becomes hard to
it's an overwhelming moment when the the timeline comes at in essence your project right and so those
happy people can turn very quickly as well sentiment can change good and bad all on a dime
right it can flip-flop and so i just i just think that they're on a path they're on a mission
i'm praying part of me in the back of my mind is we've got some cool strategy we've got some cool
fucking tokenomics we've got some cool gamification we've got something to drive some flipping energy baby
because that's what we need we need some energy we need less stuffiness we need to go at it and have
some freaking fun like the things that you're doing with cc zero like the things that we've been doing
with the copy pastas there's just fun little things we can continue to do while we quote unquote let
them cook right and and pray to god they're using recipes that works you know and the food doesn't
come out shit so let's let them cook uh and see what happens but i i think we've all got to be
honest man and we've got a level set there's been some good stuff there's been some really shitty stuff
there continues to be some shit stuff and then ultimately hopefully they're building some really
cool stuff and so i know that's a really generic way of thought process but uh i i think it's the
healthy way to think and i will say i i don't like all the the bashing on the timeline back by both
back and forth like i'll come up with something a little creative like when i've had a few people say
you know there's nothing to be proud you know your moonbirds are dead because of kevin rose oh really
creative concept right fucking at least get some creativity give a meme come at me with something
funny like don't come at me with that garbage let's fucking go uh i'm here for it i like i said i eat
fud sandwiches all day every day let's go uh eric get in here man hey yeah i was worried i wouldn't
get a chance i gotta hop into a meeting here i forgot uh you're in six minutes but the i understand
both sides of it i think you know to jam's point one thing i will push back on you know if you're a
company and all your clients are happy but you're like comcast cable customer service right where you're
like oh my god like i fucking hate them um you know or you're displeased then how does the community
grow right if the sentiment for any potential customers that it's not worth buying into what's
the value proposition right and i think there's gonna be if moonbirds simply said hey we're the
vistage of web3 we're that professional executive group we're gonna own that space and by joining us
you're gonna actually you're gonna be tied with the best you just owned that space and they stood
on it and they focused on that i think it'd be 10 times better than you know we tried to you know
do all of these different things and then end up really like even like as much as gary v gets fud
for v conference at least he threw the fucking conference right at least like i think my i don't
he never owned owned any moonbird assets but looking at you know um you know crow from like
an entrepreneur's perspective like i think most holders just want to feel like the project is
willing to fail a little bit more right like just put out something that you can stand on and build on
and not wait for the perfect market set to have ideas and not get to production right and i think
in this day and age especially in this market you know and rig said it too like hey you're
going to have to recruit new blood it's going to take a long time well what recruits new blood and
masses well some type of underscoring tangible product and maybe talons is that i don't really
know but all the other ones that compete that are supposedly the competitors of moonbirds meaning
all the other blue chips right and you're all competing for the same liquidity so you are competitors
even if you don't think you are right like there's some platform there's some mission statement there's
something that like they own and they fucking do it well and their community can rally behind it
and they take ownership of it right and i don't recently it's i don't i think like the community's
like what is that for us like you know and i think there's the proof side of it where the people
wouldn't proof like you know we're got the network effect but then there's majority of moonbird holders
which i think at the time moonbirds were saying that they brought on so many people into web 3
and these were all brand new people you know and so it's like what what's that community's
value proposition like what's the mission statement that they're rallying behind you know for all it's
worth you know you look at any other project that's on that scale and there's there's something that they
do well right and that they own as a vertical there so i just think if they can get that then whatever
it is good bad ugly whether like the platform they build isn't right away at the time at least
at least there's something in production instead of just you know feeling like well we have this
giant war chest and when we need to make a move we have the funds to make the move and we'd rather
have that safety net than fuck it up yeah i mean i don't know uh if you're gonna fail fail swinging
right i guess that's what you're you're saying put the product out there and let the product speak for
itself i don't know how much the community wants us to fail more uh thinking on that part like let's uh
why can gary v throw vcon and proof not throw proof conference like why why can one organization
do it and execute and the other can't they both have the same treasury they both have the same
financial resources right so like i just don't i didn't understand that i thought that was like
well no one wants to go to conferences i've been to five conferences this year they're fucking packed
the name of the game is get people into web3 that's the winning strategy that's the thing it's not
it's not necessarily about pandering to the short-term sentiments and feelings of the people in the
community they have i feel like they have taken a turn and have been a little bit more amenable to
realizing that there are some organic things that can happen with you know community support or providing
you know inlets and outlets for community members to do certain things and i i feel good about that
however the name of the game is be the pfp community that gets more people into web3 get do something
interesting with the technology that we're building on and that's the most important thing here it's
not if kevin rose brought up another person's floor price another project's floor price that's guys it's
like just 10 100 000 people half a million people or a million people that's the goal here that's that's
the idea and for him to just be speaking openly and candidly on a on the spaces and to receive
like the amount of backlash that he received like it's just like come on like like you're making it
impossible to like for anything to happen and like it's fine like yeah they are taking swings like taking
risks and you know maybe they're missing some or maybe they're pivoting before they even you know go to
kick the goal or whatever like on high rise but that's fine too like it's it's really about there's a
a quote it's uh it's better to be right than fucking first right you got to be you got to be
right and i think they're trying to be right um i don't want to monopolize it but i know we're almost
done here no i appreciate you jam i am gonna i'm gonna kick it to lackos for the final final thought
and then i do have to run i've got a meeting that i'm gonna be a couple minutes late to it appears
as well but uh great conversations today everybody uh there's a lot of passion here good bad ugly and
i think having these types of conversations are healthy so i just appreciate that but lackos get
in here man yeah what i want to say like if the goal is to get the next 100 000 people in and whatnot
i think the problem that i see with proof is that they live in this echo chamber that they think they have
a bigger reach than i think they actually have um comparing like let's say um conference proof
conference versus vcon like for me i keep saying it proof meets marketing i didn't see a single
advertisement a dime spent on marketing to promote a conference things don't just
sell themselves anymore or ever in that in that space so for me it's i love what we're talking about
but i think that the team if they really want to get to that level like you need to hire comms you
need to hire marketing we've been talking about this for for a long time and i hope that we see some
of those changes soon because i don't know the community or the project how many more jabs can we take
on a daily basis
yeah totally understand it all so with that we are going to wrap up we will be back the rest of the
the week if this is your first time to the lunch break j web and i we run this back monday through
friday 12 p.m to 1 p.m eastern standard time would love to have you back definitely means the world to
us uh thank you to all the speakers that have come up thank you to the listeners as well that uh let me
get a little spicy on the microphone today it's always fun to to let that out and vent a little bit
so feel free to do that on this on this stage anytime but uh with that i'm going to turn it to j webb
to wrap us up and then i will see you tomorrow appreciate it rigs have a great business meeting
so proud of you my little businessman over there uh once again thanks everybody for being here
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