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The MrE Zone Ep. 203 - Ordinals Late Night
Recorded: April 3, 2025 Duration: 3:02:13Space Recording
Short Summary
The discussion centers around the growing interest in crypto education, the importance of community partnerships, and the potential for new token launches, while also addressing concerns about market volatility and the need for responsible investing.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back to another incredible episode of the mystery zone with me your host mystery or
mr. e however you prefer to say it it's all good baby and we are here vibing and thriving with
the legend cynthia as well as 92 absolute fucking legends up here and of course we are joined by
the legends in the audience we have zach we've got in the audience. We have Zach, we've got
old Waldo, we've got Sabio, we've got wishy-washy. And of course, shout out to the future listeners,
the ones that aren't here yet, but they come a little bit later. Maybe they're, you know, out
and about. Maybe they're just sleeping. And when they wake up, they're going to listen to this
space. And it's going to be incredible.
You know, the numbers always increase.
I think like last night we did like 110 people or something like that when we finished up.
And then I woke up today and I think it was like 128 or something.
So we got a few extra listeners there overnight.
So they always love to come back and experience the incredible vibes.
So shout out to
them and uh i got my naughty late night latin latte here as well you know it's really just a
coffee with a little milk in it sometimes it's black tonight it's got a little coffee
or a little milk there's a little coffee with my milk
hell yeah brother and uh well what do you think of all this cynthia what do you think of all this, Cynthia? What do you think of all this?
How are you doing this beautiful evening?
Oh, I unmuted and I started to talk.
And then you're like, how are you doing?
And I'm like, wow, I'm just, I'm talking.
And then I looked down and I was still muted.
Oh, no.
So I'm like, oh, no wonder.
No wonder he's talking over me.
It's because it's not over me.
Oh, we're like, oh. We thought we had lost you.
I was ready to, you know, I was going to go through those withdrawals again.
It was going to be crazy.
I'm glad you didn't start.
You know, the night is young and it's early to make such a mess.
So good evening to you, Mr. E, as well as 92, the absolute legend.
And also good evening to our beautiful, esteemed audience.
Probably more handsome.
I mean, if you guys want to be called beautiful as well, you are beautiful.
We always love that.
Very handsome.
I also have my naughty late night Latin latte here.
I was able to get it done before the last second.
Let's fucking go.
Where I'm still assembling. And I'm like i'm like hi guys i'm just assembling it so it's ready i've started drinking it uh always great to be
here with you guys in the zone uh episode 203 wonderful wonderful time um and you know we got
to uh shout out the zone earlier tonight on the Zone earlier tonight on the Ordinal show as well again.
So that was fun.
So maybe we'll see some new people join us tonight, perhaps.
You never know.
And you know what I noticed?
Shout out to Gob, who has joined us.
I think you mentioned Walker before, possibly, but I can't remember.
Blind Grace Kruel has also joined us.
Blind Grace Kruel, that's what I was going to say.
I left him for last because he has changed his PFP to a puppet.
And I was wondering, I'm like, is that an honorary?
So I was just about to go and look.
Like I was loading the screen for the honoraries, but then I was like, oh, he's going to call on me. I can tell. So I had to come back. Um, but I was going to go see
if that's an honorary or not. Cause it kind of, kind of looks honorary ish. It looks on a rarey.
So I don't know, maybe he can give us a thumbs up or down if he's not driving. Cause obviously
he's got a, he's, you know, he has one hand on the wheel, one hand on his stick
out the window if he's driving. So he can't, can't necessarily respond with emojis, but if he can
send an emoji blind squirrel, you know, like thumbs up, if it's an honorary thumbs down,
if it's not, but adorable puppet love to see, love to see his new look, you know, it's like
getting a new haircut, looking good blind gray squirrel.
You might not be able to tell cause you can't see, but you know, you're looking good.
How are you doing mystery?
Yeah.
He is absolutely looking fly as fuck with that, with that puppet BFP, you know, and it's
absolutely incredible, uh, to see, holy shit.
Is that an honor you know i've been away from i've kind of
been away from the timeline all day and so that that that has uh kind of surprised me to be honest
that's the surprise of the day um this beautiful new puppet pfp the bgs is rocking and uh well
here he comes here he comes now we are we are curious oh amazing like
cats because this is we are curious little cats here well i'm a little cat you might be a big cat
oh man welcome to the stage blind gray squirrel uh bj bj blind gray squirrel as well as 92 we
love you 92 but we're seeing that bGS has this brand new look on him today.
He's got the puppet.
Tell us a little story about where this puppet came from, my friend.
So this puppet is just a meme I made.
It's just a mashup between a puppet and a m'lady.
And I put it on because I feel like I'm entering my wartime arc with some of the stuff I'm seeing going on on the timeline.
And I don't want to solely the name of the wizards with some of the heinous things I'm about to do on the timeline.
Dude, you're ready to go to war.
Wow.
This is crazy.
You've got your fucking wartime PFP on.
Holy fuck.
This is awesome.
And I was actually thinking.
I was like, you know, this got me thinking.
This is art, right?
This is art because I was looking at it and I was like, wait a second.
That's the m'lady hair.
That's the m'lady hair.
And so now it makes sense.
You're going to war.
You've got to have those unhinged m'lady vibes to do that,
to justify the things you're about to do. Right.
We'll forgive them afterwards. Uh, but, but when you're doing them,
you're like, you're like, I'm not, I wish I didn't have to do this,
but I gotta, I gotta take some names right here.
I gotta take some souls. Uh, hell yeah, brother.
And how are you doing by the way tonight how are you doing
this evening
i'm doing good i'm just uh driving home it's i'm just running into uh some uh heavy downpours on
my drive home but yeah good day good day in the fiat Oh, hell yeah. I'm glad to hear it.
And I love the sound of the rain.
You know, I haven't heard that in a long time.
All I've heard is the hellish sound of snow.
You don't really hear it, right?
It's just kind of there.
You hear it when you're shoveling it.
That's for sure.
That's for sure.
And with the rain, it's a cozy sound.
What's that? I was going to say say i'm envious of your snow i'm actually going snowboarding this friday for the very final time this year like the the place is only opening for friday saturday sunday
and then it's done for the year so i i envy your snowfall oh hell yeah man well you'll have to get in a couple uh couple slopes for me
my friend and uh you know fuck we love me some snowboarding but haven't gone in a long time need
to go need to get back into that need to get back into it and uh really hit these slopes out here
that we got in the beautiful mountains the beautiful mountains and you know 92 is often
caught up in those mountains are you in the mountains even right now 92 how's that what's
that situation like uh we're in a mountainous region but not particularly in the alpine area
which is nice but uh yeah i'm excited for bGS to absolutely start fucking wrecking ball and shit.
I'm here for it.
And the puppet looks great.
Even with little lady hair.
Yeah, I'm probably going to have to leave at some point.
But, j'ai quelque chose pour vous un peu plus tard.
So, stay tuned for that.
Oh, beautifully said.
Beautifully said. C'est bien. Nous l'attendons. I love beautifully said. Beautifully said.
C'est bien. Nous l'attendons.
I love it when you all speak French.
What do you think of this, Cynthia? What do you think of this?
So, sir,
blind gray squirrel, sir,
have you considered taking
a war-worthy
Bitcoin cyborg into battle?
You know, I wouldn't want to put any bad vibes
on the king of beautiful vibes, Mr. E,
by, you know, associating that with anything.
So I prefer, like, in general,
most things, like, I collect,
no matter what chain they're on, like, I don them as like PFPs per se even if they are PFPs like I like them just thinking of them as digital objects to collect and like they exist where they exist.
even like the the wizard the only reason why i pfp'd it is because uh since they gave them to
us like early on or essentially like set them aside they had kind of asked like hey do you
mind like actually just like wearing it as a pfp just you know kind of as a i don't know just to
be associated with it since they had kind of picked us but in general my like i wouldn't have pfp'd it
so i like the idea of just kind of being able to
tinker around with different things like i probably switched to the uh uh that custom opium
made uh that le puppeteer made where it's like technically i put it on chain but it's not like
part of the collection or anything so i don't know i think it's i like having the ability of
just like whatever kind of medics are around at the time, you know?
Oh, I absolutely love that. That's such a good point too, actually.
Like I, I like to, I,
I too look at the PFPs less as like an actual thing to PFP or whatever,
and more so like kind of a digital object like that I'm collecting to be
honest. Right. So it's, it's kind of funny, like, cause there's a lot of people that like, you know, it's like, uh, that I'm collecting, um, to be honest. Right. So it's, it's kind of funny, like,
cause there's, there's a lot of people that like, you know, it's like, it's the digital identity
or whatever. Right. And, uh, you know, to many, in many extents, that's true. But also I agree
with, with your point too. It's just like, you know, um, like, uh, you know, I've got, got
puppets or got frogs and stuff, but never really always looked at it as like, this is like my art collection here.
Right. You know, not like who I am or whatever.
It's kind of interesting. So what do you think of that, Cynthia?
I appreciate that, BGS, and understand.
The only thing I can say is, you know what, the Wizards, they have sullied their own name just a touch.
is, you know what, the Wizards, they have sullied their own name just a touch.
So I don't think anything you could do would affect that in terms of people have the opinions they have
because of the events that have transpired.
But that's very kind of you to protect them in such a way.
Cast a spell of protection around them.
Whether or not they may or may not deserve it. I don't, you know, I don't know, but that's kind
of you and looking forward to seeing the opium you put up and whatever else you choose as your PFP.
I like that idea of not looking at them as just PFPs, but as uh you know did quote unquote digital collectibles as
they say right different things to collect and uh yeah it's great that you identify with different
uh different communities there so i appreciate that yeah and it's fun when you can like make
your own kind of like like take the puppet for example mess around with, make your own m'lady puppet, right?
Or something like that.
And it kind of reminds me of the wasi days where everybody was making their own wasis
and stuff like that.
And you kind of knew who each person was just because of the custom wasi that they had or
whatever it was, right?
And sometimes it was about making your own wasi.
Other times it was like, well, I want one that this guy has made,
baskets or something or things like that.
So, yeah, it's really cool rocking your own kind of PFP.
What do you think of this blind gray squirrel?
I just want to touch on something that Cynthia said
in regards to your critique of the Wizards.
The one thing I want to say about the Wizards is like,
and I've gripped about this before on some of the puppet spaces,
is the ordinal space in general has an originality problem
where like everybody just takes stuff from Ethereum
and like slaps it onto Bitcoin.
The thing that's cool about the Wizards is that it's a Bitcoin native meme.
Like that's where it originated back in 2013.
Like, and they did, I, you know,
really appreciate the fact that they contacted the original artist
and got his permission and all that.
But the point is, it's a Bitcoin native meme.
And to me, that's like the very foundation of why,
to me, it's like one of the best collections on Bitcoin.
Like, to me, the, me, as far as top collections, it really is Taproot Wizards, Bitcoin Wizards, Puppets, and Opium.
Like there isn't really anything else interesting.
Also cyborgs. Don't forget the cyborgs.
Oh, no, no. I'm talking about like, yeah, heavy volume type stuff.
Of course, like there's...
Yeah, yeah yeah totally even like a lot of uh like lucas uh lukey's like his collections like i've collected a bunch of
stuff from those too like i but i view those as more like i don't know special digital objects
like any stuff that you guys make that are my friends that are but i was just speaking mainly
to anything that's received heavy volume over the last two years oh yeah totally okay don't worry i'm just i'm just
playing around sorry mystery no i'm just i'm just playing around and having some fun i know what
you're saying for sure and um i agree i agree with your points definitely about the wizards and um
i mean i believe it or not i saw the wizardsards back as a meme on Reddit back back in the day, all those years ago.
So I and I remember them. I remember seeing, you know, the magic Internet money thing.
And so I appreciate that. And that's that's a really great set of points about basically their OG status on Bitcoin and having been born on Bitcoin originally anyway, versus, you know,
all these other collections that have kind of been pulled over from ETH. So I definitely do
appreciate that. And yeah, great points, BGS. Yeah, it's a really good point, too, about how
it's like, you know, Bitcoin native. And, and also, you know, it's kind of interesting too,
right? Because it's like, it's like meme meme kind of like, you know, territory, right?
Where it's like, I'd say like the puppets, such a good meme.
They're so easy to meme with them.
Like you can literally take a puppet, post a little caption on it.
It's a meme now, right?
And so it's like, it kind of goes beyond the art itself.
But yeah, so it's interesting.
It's like the wizards were a meme, right?
The puppets, right?
Opiums, right?
What was the other ones?
You said Taproot Wizards, Bitcoin Puppets, Opium, and what else?
I thought you had four there.
Or was it those three?
Oh, we've lost him. We've lost lost him he's driving through that heavy rain yeah we've lost him to the rain it actually was uh raining and snowing here today
and like heavy heavy rain um last night and some some snow yeah so i think that snow you had
recently mystery popped over this way. Increment weather all over.
And then apparently a tornado almost touched down or maybe touched down somewhere.
But Hills told me that there was a tornado warning where she was down there.
Oh, my God.
Just crazy weather all over.
Crazy spring.
Crazy spring.
Yeah, crazy spring.
The energy is wild.
But we're all here.
Well, yeah.
We want that good energy, right? we want that good energy right we want that beautiful weather right none of this chaos i wouldn't mind
well i mean right now it wouldn't be good to have rain because like the last time it did rain it was
like fucking it was crazy actually i think it was might have been a week ago i think it rained
overnight or something and so so, and then,
and then it started snowing and the roads were so fucking bad. It was like, it was like the worst
it's been all fucking like all winter, literally last week. It was so bad, but, um, Oh, here we go.
Blind gray squirrel is back. What a legend. And, uh, yeah, I was just saying, uh, you know,
totally, totally agree with what you were talking about, about the wizards.
You know, they're like a native meme to Bitcoin.
Right.
And and I love how you were talking about, you know, like I mean, the puppets are like a native meme as well.
Right.
And the opium, which is which is like really really fucking sweet so it kind of like transcends art in a way
because now it can also be used to like make hilarious memes right you can literally just
post a caption to something and be like this is my quant and it's a puppet right um but yes but
and then also about like the volume yeah that's so true like it was crazy it's been a while since
i've checked the volume on the puppets i I swear, though, I did like, what, something like 3,000 Bitcoin or something volume, which
is just like insane, right?
Like, that's actually crazy.
It was a lot last time.
What did you think about, Cynthia?
Oh, sorry.
I was going to say, it was definitely a lot last time.
We had talked about it a little while back and done the math.
And it was just like millions and millions of dollars for the puppet volume,
just on Magic Eden alone. So yeah, it's pretty crazy how, and I haven't checked it, I mean,
here, I can check it recently, I have it open here, but it's definitely crazy how much has
really happened with the puppets overall in the time they've been on chain. It is loading,
Overall, in the time they've been on chain, it is loading.
It is loading.
Let's see.
Nope.
This is...
No, this...
Oh, okay.
I'm looking at the wrong thing.
I have to click this.
Volume.
That feels...
That feels wrong.
That feels wrong.
How is it...
No, that's i'm seeing yeah the volume i'm seeing on
magic eden for example is like just alone on magic eden is like 3183 oh you know what i'm dumb i'm
reading it like 3.1 but i forgot the k is back yeah yeah yeah yeah it's kind of weird how they show that. It's okay. Yeah, it's kind of weird.
They literally can just...
Yeah, it's so fucking crazy.
But like, and then I wonder what the all time is.
If I go to Mintify...
I can read, Mr. E, I swear.
I know how to read numbers.
We're in good company because I can't read numbers worth shit, right?
Oh my God. So yeah, over 3,000 Bitcoin, 3,100. we're in good company because i can't read numbers worth shit right oh my god
over 3 000 bitcoin 3 100 bitcoin it looks like um or more so that's pretty substantial and the
floor oh my god i mean i'll get to this if we get to the charts 0.0385 is the Bitcoin Puppets floor.
Oh, look.
Thankfully, I have a calculator.
0.0385.
I had it open in another window.
That's $3,200 US.
So that's pretty good at this point. That's a reasonable thing for like, I mean, considering where these have been.
You know.
Oh, here we go.
What is it?
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Total volume I'm seeing also on Mintify is 3000. Interesting. Okay. Okay. Maybe they're just, yeah, watching. I mean,
it's just like chain pulled numbers. I don't have the 3200 American, which is probably,
oh my God, it's got to be like at least 4000. It's got to be 4000 Canadian or more,
but I don't have have that but it's still
a really like low price like you said considering where the puppets have gone and have been um
pretty reasonable for some people uh the 0.0385 would just be a drop in the bucket
buying a candy bar or something like that right oh my god if only i had set up that miner all those years ago why didn't i take
the time and the trouble to set it up when bitcoin was worth nothing oh my god all right
well that's the moment of regret for today at least we got that over with
my moment of regret is like not selling the puppet top and just round tripping and uh you know
sometimes we uh we pray
that things go back to where they were but we're also cool with just vibing with just vibing out
here and uh welcome santa we'll go to blind gray squirrel then we'll go to santa here what do you
think of this bgs not to pivot away too much i was just curious if any of you guys participated in the Steady Teddy Mint and or Post Mint secondary.
You know what?
I didn't, but I did give a bunch of whitelist spots to people.
And I think I gave away 10 whitelist spots.
And I didn't put my own address in there.
And now I'm like looking today.
And I'm like, I mean i mean fuck those things went up to
like 100 they had 10x didn't they because they started out like what was it like uh 11 bear or
20 bear maybe or something no i think it was 11 bear and then they yeah yeah 12 bear and now
they're up to like 100 i think they went up to 120 at one point 120 there so that's crazy someone someone we know uh had tried to mint
some or mint one um but they said that the mint had gotten botted and they weren't able to get one
so oh really oh yes yes were they whitelist or were they like on the
first come first serve like i know i didn't get a public but um you know what i'm not sure i can
i can probably ask them i don't know if i'll hear back from them tonight but uh it's a good question
i can't remember if they had mentioned um if they were white listed or on on which list so
i have a feeling they were on some kind one of the lists anyway definitely wasn't public um i have to
check but it's a good it's a good question, though, Santa. And hello, welcome. And also, shout out to Walker, who's been here quietly waiting as well.
We haven't gotten to him.
He's just over there in the corner.
Hi, Walker.
Over here in the corner.
Go in.
You know, chilling.
No, I'm not gooning anymore.
That was yesterday.
Now, Blind Green and Squirrel and I,
I think we have a very similar taste in our tokens.
We've happened to just wander into a lot of spaces here together
in the last two days.
And every time I feel like I look down in the crowd,
I'm like, oh, there was Blind Green Squirrel again.
Looks like we're following each other around
right now oh yeah he sees it yeah we've been in the same spaces bro yeah you know well i mean he
does need someone to uh to lead him around sometimes i mean he does really really well
it's very impressive but probably once in a while he gets a little fatigued so it's good that uh
that you're around as well yeah it's been fun we love that yeah and um yeah we you see who's around in the bear
for sure it's fun it's uh we're not in a bear though we're in a bull what am i talking about
and um yeah it's uh all the people coming out of the woodworks from from other places in my life. And it's a good place to be.
I like ordinals.
I like bitcoins.
I like the security that it offers.
I really like the opportunity
just to get to bring someone into something new.
I always like the kind of to get to bring someone into something new i always like kind of you know they have been around the the sense of being having like someone's first experience for
something for the first time and you kind of get to experience it again for the first time you know
vicariously with them and um it's just a uh a, a fun, a fun phenomenon that I get to repeat of, of bringing people into the, the Bitcoin space and the ordinal space for the first time.
And I, uh, I'm, I'm happy to be here.
I don't know.
Um, I don't know what we got to do to get, to get old yawn or min or AIXBT.
to get old yawn or min or ai xbt one of these um one of these b tier yeah i'm not even they're b
tier kols uh we got to get one of them to uh to buy one of these puppies because it must happen
there's no one else doing mysteries doing there's no one else providing and propping up doing what he's
doing for his own peoples where's uh where's some recognition from these guys who who say that they
have good opinions where's their opinion of mystery a silent opinion is not is not an opinion
it's not how it works they need um they need to hear a little bit more noise from these people who, who,
who are, uh, claiming to be the ones pushing the frontier and,
and pushing the boundary and setting the standard standard are they setting
right now? What is their legacy going to be? You know, the chain doesn't lie.
How long did it take for them to get over here?
You know, they had all this time, all these opportunities,
all this goddamn sushi.
And, you know, I know I like sushi,
but I also know I got myself a little baggy of cyborgs.
Mystery, have you made up your mind about Vegasgas yet are you setting stone yet is it is it is it what are we feeling yet i'm curious are you gonna are you gonna be able to make it
oh man it's tough it's it's fucking tough man because it's kind of like uh i might be able to
swing it i might be able to swing it but i also might not be able to swing it, but I also might not be able to swing it. And, uh, it's, it's crazy. Cause like it was, uh,
it was so fun hanging out in Nashville with all the legends, uh, you know,
back in July and I had so much fun. But the thing is, it's like, I got,
I don't know,
I got like these crazy fucking bills to come up around this time of year,
like my property tax and all this shit. And, uh, Like I got, I don't know, I got like these crazy fucking bills that come up around this time of year.
Like my property tax and all this shit.
And, uh, fucking, and I, I don't know.
I don't know.
I've been, you know, we've, we've dipped into the line of credit a little bit here. So I don't know.
I might, I might have some, some, some, you know, might be able to do it.
I might be able to pull it off.
You might have some wiggle room mystery. Might have some wiggle room there, you know might be able to do it i might be able to pull it off you might have some
wiggle room mystery might have some wiggle room there you know and uh you know we love those
little wiggles by the way we wiggle wiggle that's ishiitoshi legend what a fucking legend and uh
yeah so i might be able to pull it off but we'll see we'll fucking see you know bullish oh yeah hell yeah because you know we fucking well we love it
when the legends get together in real life right in real life and it's kind of funny because that
you know tocio tocio the founder of the whales, like I was sitting there eating dinner with him and Hills and all the legends and, you know, BGS and all of them fucking legends.
And then Tosio looks across and he says to me, this is like a real life Twitter space.
There's wanky there too, right?
You know, it's just like there was beef next to me.
And,
yeah,
he's just like,
this is a real,
this is like a real life Twitter space.
And,
man,
it really was.
And so I would love to just make it out to that,
that Las Vegas.
Right.
See the sights and sounds and,
well,
see how it fucking goes. See how it fucking goes. And, well, see how it fucking goes.
See how it fucking goes.
And so, yeah, we'll see.
But it's tight.
It's fucking tight.
Because I'll be juggling.
I'm going to be juggling some shit through that line of credit here coming up soon.
And, whew, we are.
You know, if it was July, like, it might work out better.
But May is, ooh, ooh.
That's pushing her.
But you know what? I've been, uh, I've been known to pull off crazier shit. So we'll see how it goes.
We'll see how it goes. And I mean, it wouldn't hurt if like ordinals would pump maybe, uh, a little bit, you know, uh, maybe dump some, I don't know, runes or something. Right? Make a quick buck there.
And holy shit.
Whenever people are, are you making money right now?
I'm like, well, I'm making money. I don't know if you, in the same way that you think that I am.
But I just made some.
I didn't have any now I got some yeah
he's physically making it out of thin air and uh that's how we like to do it in crypto here
you know we like to trade you know we like to mint the jpeg for like 30 bucks or something and
then sell it for like 3 000 bucks and uh yeah so let's have more of that happening. Let's have more of that so that we can,
you know, we'll call that the Vegas fund, the Vegas pump, right?
Some $30 mint comes out,
turn it into $3,000 boom trip paid for right there,
paid for right there right fucking there but um you know it's it's just fucking interesting right
right fucking there.
did you mint those steady teddies blind gray squirrel did you mint those
uh i minted one i had uh one guaranteed and then oddly enough i had one uh one or two other first come first serves but uh i
don't remember who it was somebody earlier cynthia might have been you was saying that um
it was getting botted i actually it was in the first come first serve phase where
because somebody had reached out to me uh asking if i had any extra wallets i wanted to
they were running a bot on that one. I of course declined, but like
there was somebody that was like finding whitelisted spots and then just trying to run it.
Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was told of a bot as well, that someone in the, you know,
not someone I personally know, but someone I know of in the greater circle of, you know,
the various people we all know um was running a bot
but apparently it maybe didn't it didn't seem to have worked um but i think i also heard just in
general it did get botted otherwise question mark um so yeah that one bot i definitely heard of
apparently allegedly did not uh did not succeed not, you know, I don't know
if it succeeded at all, but it didn't succeed for the person that I was speaking to. They weren't
running it. It was someone else, but yeah. So I wonder, I mean, it's great that people are
enjoying it and the number has gone up. So I'm sure some people have made a few dollars,
which is always nice to see.
And they'll always be the next project, the next Mint.
Hell yeah.
Absolutely fucking incredible.
Yeah, the next Mint is always on the horizon.
And it's just kind of crazy, right?
Because you never really know which one's going to be the one
that just blows up. It's like all the ones that people think are like guaranteed ones,
they don't kind of take off, but then the other ones do take off. And then, you know, you kind,
and then you start thinking, well, fuck, which one's going to take off. Right. And, uh,
and then it happens again. And so now here we are with, like, it's kind of funny,
right?
You know,
you get a nice,
a nice hundred dollar.
What was it?
$88 mint.
These,
these steady teddies and they do like a 10 X to 800.
Right.
And the,
but then you got the Waseys on Barra.
They came out,
I think they were,
I forget what they were at.
Like maybe a similar mint price.
And they are, I think they're down pretty bad. Actually, I think they were i forget what they were at like maybe a similar mint price and they are i
think they're down pretty bad actually i think they're down to like uh like what are they at
three bear or something like that let me take a look here i think it's pretty low yeah but like
what what what are the communities doing comparatively right so like i know the study
teddies has 14 000 people in their telegram but it's like a slow roll it was not
always that way like i watched it i was in there and i was like not like from the beginning but
like i was like just watching and watching like what you got 2 000 more people what's going on
and they used all you know everybody else's art basically for like the placeholders until they reveal which is going to be tomorrow i think or in now we don't know right but like the way they did it and like just the community
behind that like it seems like the blue chip on barra to me yeah that's actually very interesting
and i remember you were talking about that too like uh yeah you've kind of had that consistent
message even before it minted for a while you're kind of thinking that's like the blue chip on barra so um i hope
you i hope you got in on that as well and got got yourself a nice bag of those teddies sweet
bag of teddies uh how'd that go for you santa i'm sorry twitter cut me out again um could you
please repeat i'm sorry oh i was just gonna say
uh yeah because you've always had you've always like ever since you know you've been coming in
here you've been pretty bullish on the um steady teddies right and and consistent even before they
minted out like even before they did the mint you're always saying it's like the blue chip on
uh barra so um hopefully you were able to get uh you know in on that mint did you
mint or how'd that go for you did you buy on secondary i minted one about four on secondary
so between so like as of now i'm like i feel like i haven't sold anything
like i started buying at 90 and like i was then i waited for like it to pump and come back down
it's like 90 111 like mostly like 111 range so those would be down but it's it's still it's held
like nobody's really selling and i i don't think they're gonna like i think the reveal is going to
be good we're not used to like good reveals we're used to reveals where people start dumping i think this one's going to be good if i'm wrong my money's where my mouth is and i will suck it up and
not get that new refrigerator that i need in the house um but you know we'll see what happens like
hell yeah well yeah i'm cheering i'm cheering you on and yeah like you said they've been holding up
steady at that like 100 uh you know bara amount right so i mean those those ones are 111 that's not down very much
and uh and then once the reveal happens yeah like it sounds like people are very excited about that
and so hopefully it just pumps on the reveal because it looks like the art is great and uh
i don't think this is going to be you know i don't think that's going to be something people
just want to dump once it reveals um yeah so and what do you think of is going to be, you know, I don't think that's going to be something people just want to dump once it reveals. Same.
Yeah.
So what do you think of this, Cynthia?
What do you think about all this?
I was just wondering about that number in the Telegram account.
14,000 people.
You know, when I hear large amounts of people like that, I always just just kind of makes me wonder all the time.
kind of makes me wonder all the time right because of how many people there are in the space i mean
Right. Because of how many people there are in the space.
i know there's a lot of people in the space but um some of these even some of these large
communities right at least seemingly large communities uh compared to most like the puppets
or whatever it feels like there's not that many people in those communities so i'm wondering uh
who all these 14 000 people are. And if anyone knows about who,
you know, apart from people we know here, but are there like a lot of Solana people going on to
Bera? Or, you know, does anyone have any insight into that? And I see Blind Grey Squirrel threw
his hand up like right away. So maybe Blind Grey Squirrel has some insight. Go ahead, Blind Grey
Squirrel. Well, per usual, I don't have any particular insight,
but just my gut reaction would be that the whole idea with Barachain,
it being a sort of a new model with proof of liquidity,
is I feel like there's just a lot of DeFi speculators there.
And with SteadyTeddy being kind of like the premier blue chip project there,
as far as just like digital objects.
I'd imagine that naturally a lot of people just that were interested in the DeFi aspect of things just kind of migrated into the telegram.
But I haven't been in the telegram, so I have no idea like what the average user is like in there.
But that would just be my gut reaction.
I go in and say good morning, or it's actually BMBM,
but they're always positive.
I can't say, I've seen it grow.
That's all I can say.
That's very interesting.
Oh, that's where that BMBM is coming from.
Okay.
I do a GM post every day,
and there's a lot of people that will come up with this BM,
and I'm like, is that a Bitcoin morning or something or what's going on here
you got puppets with bj so you know yeah that's right bj
and you know both bj and bm could be taken very differently so that's why
you just gotta wonder like what is that what does that stand for
yeah and uh you know of course, we love the puppets.
We love the puppets.
What do you think of that, Blind Grace Squirrel?
What do you think about that?
I was just going to say, I'm almost home, so I got to jump down to listener here.
It was nice chatting with you all, and I'll catch you guys later.
Well, we always love...
It's always nice to see BGS.
Oh, no, go on.
Jinx, mystery.
No, I was just going to just gonna say always great to see you
bgs and hear your takes uh you always have some good insights and uh always happy to see you glad
you made it home safely as always yeah we always love having you in the zone here and we love we
love when you mash those fucking you know i always love when i see you mash that heart right you've
you know you've figured it out and I also figured it out as well.
Look at that.
Look at that.
I can't make it go as long.
Oh, there's a meme.
Oh, there's a few.
There we go.
There we go.
There's a fucking meme here.
It's like, oh, honey, how'd you learn how to use your hands like that?
And then it just shows this.
That's funny.
Oh, man.
But yeah, shout out to Blind Grace Girl grace girl what a legend he's just the best
to ever do it and uh you know always has great and based takes on things right uh especially art
especially memes he's very well rounded with the knowledge and the lore and he just kind of like
sits back in his lane but under the surface he is making the
most banger memes and so it's going to be interesting to see now that he's put on his
wartime pfp he's distanced himself from you know any backlash that might become from the uh you
know the wizards by wearing the wizard pfp he's got the m'lady puppet. So nobody can fuck with him now.
Nobody can fuck with him.
He's just going to be an absolute menace.
So we're looking forward to that.
We're looking forward to that. Plus he's got that long white cane.
So you don't want to fuck with him.
He will just absolutely get you with that thing.
And that thing hurts.
Let me tell you.
That's made for dealing with the streets every day,
day after day,
hitting the hardest of objects so
you got to watch out um you know 92 is not here i might have to see if i can get uh cane that i
can borrow for a while yeah you know you're gonna have to you're gonna have to like beat him with
that cane that that you get just to test it out but blind gray squirrel is very good he's very effective with that cane
uh you know he can't see you but he can hear you and he'll get you and uh that's that's how we like
it out here because an alert squirrel is a happy squirrel and uh my god shout out shout out to the
audience by the ways the best audience to ever do it in crypto and beyond really is what it is.
The best audience in the universe, to be honest, is what it is.
And I've never felt more privileged than to be able to be vibing and thriving with you absolute legends.
Let's fucking go. There's Wassey there's port gas there's jer look at that
we've been joined by natalie crew we love natalie she is an og i know her from back uh back in the
day and in 21 so i've known her for like over four years now she's absolute badass uh super
intelligent just fantastic like best person you could meet so shout out natalie sorry mystery
natalie her prop she's she's just the fucking best honestly i gotta do that completely
you know who you are i gotta do that completely you know here i see you but like now like i mean
she's amazing um natalie is like one of the best people have ever met in spaces 100 like hands down
i'm feeling i'm feeling some kind of way about this now because like i love her so much she's
awesome oh my god this is wholesome like i love these wholesome vibes right because like it's
really cool when you you know you meet new people right in in spaces and you know at first you're
kind of like you don't know right like who is this person
what are they right and then it turns out everyone's like well we love her she's incredible
and uh you know it's it's like you find that because finding you know like-minded people
is kind of like finding a diamond in the rough right when it's a special thing right and so I
kind of feel like you know everybody in here that is like vibing
usually on a nightly basis right a lot a lot of people are here like every night some people are
here kind of like some nights and things like that and uh it's just it's just like each each
one a fucking legend each one a fucking legend and it's just an honor right to be able to hang out because it's like who else could
you talk about you know blockchain technology art memes culture fucking you know like conspiracies
and shit like that right um you know and and then anything in between right it's just like
i don't know the people here get it right or it's like you know you go to a normie in my city you go to a normie in my city you'd be like how about that
blockchain they'd be like oh how about that concrete right yeah how about that how about
that block heater yeah how about them oilers oh man and you're like yep that conor mcgregor it's like let me know
all you just want to talk about like hey i made this funny meme today and like 30 people liked it
you know uh or like hey i lost like a couple thousand bucks today but it was funny because
it was on some you know ass dick coin or something.
So, yeah, it's just like everybody else would be like, oh, you sold that, right?
You just fucking sold that thing?
That's another thing, right?
People don't get some of the values of these things.
Like, you know, I told my brother, I was like, yeah, puppets worth, like, wow,
I don't know four thousand dollars or something
like that and and i was thinking like wow it came down he's like oh fuck sell that thing four thousand
holy shit and i'm just like you know he's not wrong he's not wrong at the same time it's like
oh man he's kind of wrong yeah yeah right yeah dude my fiancee's been watching me do this for
like four years now and he's good at like market timing.
If I like keep them in, something's happening in a different room. Oh my God.
It's every time I try to speak. Right. But he's very good at market timing.
And he'll tell me like, you got to sell now, but he knows.
Like I'm like, he's like, what's, I don't know what he's asking me.
But he's like, what's this price? Would you, would you buy that?
Like it's more than that. But like, um, you talk to like people like just that you went to high
school with or college with you know even college which is weird like it's just like you know grad
school and it's like blockchain oh that's bad oh no okay sorry you can't bring it up you can't
bring it up i don't know if you have the same experience but i do. You can't bring it up. You can't bring it up. I don't know if you have the same experience, but I do. Like you can't bring it up with people or they don't know what it is.
And like, they're like, you bought a picture for what? And it's like, but this picture is going to
be worth like twice as much in like six months. Trust me. And they're like, you were fucking
crazy. Like they want to like submit you. Right. And like your family, right? My mom, I gotta tell you something about 2021. So she thought I
was fucking nuts in 2021 until I was at her house and I was like, yo, I just made like 50k on this
fucking trade. And she's like, will you start investing for me? I was like, no, there was a
reason for that. It was not to hurt my mom. It was to keep my parents' relationship stable.
But I was like, yo, relationship stable but i was like yeah
but like seriously like people don't get it and like they and as soon as you like you know have
a downturn in the market then they're like oh you're not making 50k on a trade like you know
whatever and apparently you're stupid again you know but it's powerful the course you just have
to kind of like suck it up right well that's exactly it right because that's that's the exact same
thing as me like they're just like oh that's crazy like that's that's fucking crazy blockchain
crypto like all this stuff they just do not get it or like other people just get like kind of like
angry about it because like oh i bought some of that last cycle and i've lost you know lost my
money and it's like yeah that's kind of like that's that happens too right
uh it's definitely not stable right those are the ones who tell you it's not green
it's like they bought it before but like then it's not green because they lost money
exactly exactly right and i think it's kind of it's kind of funny too because like i mean
i came in i bought the top and then i like averaged down and like I lost, you know, it was like on paper, it was like, you know, a decent amount of money.
But then I kept, but then it came right back up.
Right.
Which was like, you know, and so I do find like a lot of times I just kind of do that.
And I think that separates like, you know, people from like, you know, there's people that will come in, they'll lose something and they'll never come back.
Right. But there's people that will come in, they'll realize, okay, maybe this was
like part of a cycle that seems to be repeating every four years or something like that. Um,
and so maybe I, maybe now that it's down, it's a good buying opportunity. Right. Um, and then of
course it ends up being a really good
like buying opportunity right like i mean if you bought bitcoin at like you know what it was 18k
or 17k or something like that during 2022 uh that's that's not fucking bad and especially
if you had to bought it at 69k you know in october 2021 you average down to that 18k so now your average is maybe like
somewhere in the middle and then boom it goes up to like 100 grand you've like you're well in the
money right so uh i mean like that's not to say like same shit on meme coins like those are totally
different beast but at least like yeah you know, with, with things like things like Bitcoin or whatever,
I've done it on like other investments too, or I just like, I bought the top, but then I averaged
down and it ended up giving me like a really good average. And then it went back up and I made
decent money. But like, yeah, it's all about that kind of conviction and people just don't get that.
And most normies don't have that ability to like lose a bunch of money and jump back on the horse they're kind of
like oh no i got burned in that once i am not going back to that and uh which is understandable
and like maybe it takes a certain amount of mental illness to be able to like oh yeah lose some money
it takes a what's the word a masochist a person just enjoys a masochist yes i don't feel it's that one but let's go okay what do you think
about that yeah it takes a bit of a masochist doesn't it doesn't it or or is a machiavellianist
no it's probably a masochist i was thinking he was gonna say that like it doesn't have to be
either of those you can just be smart about what you're doing and, like, learning new tech and new, you know, markets.
And, like, hey, this whole thing's coming out.
This entire thing that's going to change the world.
Or maybe it won't.
It's going to change it in some way.
We don't know what's going to happen.
If it says skill issue, just be smarter.
I didn't mean that.
Yeah.
But, like, no.
I mean, like, if you're comparing it, like, you know, when you try to talk to your friends about this, it's, like, they're, like, what are you buying?
This picture for what?
Like, it's a bear?
It's an ape?
Or, like, you know, whatever it is?
And it's, like, or, like, punks.
People, like, normies think punks are ugly as shit.
I've tried this out so many times.
Like, yo, what do you think about this?
Even my kids are, like, that's ugly.
I'm, like, all right, my punk. And, like, so many people are, like, why? Like, what? what do you think about this? Even my kids are like, that's ugly. I'm like, all right, my punk.
And like so many people are like, why?
Like, what?
What is this?
Like, I don't, I won't even tell them really.
I'm just like, or some I will, but like, I'm just like, what do you think about this?
Like, is that cool?
I'm like, no, it's not cool at all.
And so like, it's really like, we're kind of in a bubble here.
Like, I'm not saying like financial levels like a bubble within our within ourselves until like
normal people get in and if they don't get in the cycle then we might be fucked but we're probably
fine they're coming in we got wall street also you could you could be really smart and really
happy but just by the timing of that wrong and get obliterated to fuck too you know so there's a lot of stuff
say that again you could be really smart but you could have the timing wrong and just get
fucking a player so there's so many things uh and again i will go back to track by things
i really don't think people understand markets like they think that they do.
There's way more shape than a lot of the time.
So, yeah, there's a lot of unknown variables like dark matter.
You could even call it that people don't even think.
A lot of confirmation bias on making it right or wrong.
The other thing, too, is that like retail or like like just normies I guess like like you said a lot of people invest and they're not even active
in their own decision making so they can absolve themselves of responsibility. If you are in charge
of your own shit you have only yourself and that's fucking tough especially if you haven't dealt with
that before. That's actually such a good point it's
really hard to have that extreme accountability and i think that's actually there's a book called
extreme accountability uh about that and so it's kind of like it really hurts when it's you know
that it's like something that you were responsible for whereas at least there's like that plausible
deniability when somebody else is looking after it for you but um you know and normie's really
like that it seems that plausible deniability.
What do you think of all this, Cynthia?
What do you think about that?
I see your hand is up.
I wanted to comment on what Santo is talking about, how people think punks are ugly and that kind of thing.
And I think in a lot of ways, people aren't always thinking for themselves to some degree when it comes to a lot, right?
They really go by kind of the crowd.
So, you know, maybe they see it and they're like, oh, that's ugly because they don't know what it is.
Oh, no. Did we lose her?
Hello? Oh, you're back.'re back oh weird okay that was weird um
but yeah you said the crowd yeah so yeah people you know really go by the crowd if they aren't
familiar with something then they'll often just kind of reject it sort of um instinctually right
and but if you had put something in the context of something that
they're familiar with, or they already like, however you want to put it, then they might be
like, oh, that's cool. If they heard someone else say it's cool, or they saw it in the context of
something they already enjoy, they might think it's cool. But, you know, it's not necessarily them.
You know, some, you know, you can think a punk is ugly or whatever, that's fine.
But I think for the most part, yeah, people tend to just go by what the crowd thinks and that kind
of thing. So it really can vary. Sometimes if you present something to someone a certain way versus a different way, their opinion on it can change just just by that.
Right. And so I think that's part of it.
And that's, you know, that's just how it is, I think.
The same way a band could exist for quite a while.
They could be out there and you could like them and everyone's like, oh, I don't know what this is.
Like, who is that? But then as soon as they end up having a song on i don't know some show or who knows what right whatever um
circumstance people are suddenly like oh yeah this band is great they're so cool
right but like they didn't change you know they didn't change their style completely they didn't
it's just that the context of um people encountered them was different. And yeah,
people often, you know, normies, not saying everyone, but there definitely seems like a lot
of normies out there kind of need something else or someone else to sort of tell them what the
right opinion is. People are afraid of having the wrong opinion and standing out and going against the grain. So they tend to
just agree with what they perceive to be the common opinion, right?
Like social proof.
Yeah, 100%. That's the exact word. Social proof. They want someone else to be like,
oh, it's okay for you to like this because everyone's, you know, most people are worried about being judged and left out because like, oh, this person likes this thing that's not
cool. So they're not cool. People seem to have that thought a lot. And it's just like, you know,
you have to like what you like and not really worry about what other people think of you.
Obviously, there is that very fine line between obviously certain things are not
okay just ever but not when it comes to typically not when it comes to like art or music or whatever
else right that's there's very few things that you can kind of say like oh that's really terrible
don't like that but um people like that social consensus for what they support and enjoy
yeah that's such a good point too and it's even like you know when
you'll see those like yeah um yeah just like there's that violinist guy that was like you
know charged hundreds of dollars for his concert tickets he was out on the street there doing a
performance and he was like he was uh in in like a train station and people just walking by him
right and then then they could have got a free show that was worth like a train station and people were just walking by him. Right.
And then,
then they could have got a free show that was worth like hundreds,
maybe thousands of dollars.
And,
and then,
but then when he's in concert, it's like suddenly like,
Oh my God,
I'm going to pay that money for this guy.
Right.
And so the only difference is like the same person playing the same music.
The only difference is that one has like,
a bunch of crowd that kind of knows who he is
and then the other he's just like a random dude right and so it's kind of funny right it is kind
of funny how our you know our interests or whatever the fuck can totally be manufactured
based on just like the group right what do you think of that cynthia what do you think about that
yeah then the question is if you had gone around on the street with, let's say, a picture of a punk, right?
And you ask people, hey, what do you think of this? Do you like it? Do you not like it?
And maybe a bunch of people would be like, no, that's, you know, that's ugly or I don't like it or what is that?
But then if you went around and said, hey, this picture is worth, you know, this is by a famous artist. It's worth $100,000.
What do you think of it? If you reframed it, would people be like, oh, that's actually really cool.
I like it. Right. The same way. I mean, you could even think of like Banksy now. Right.
There's Banksy stuff out on the streets and you might walk past a Banksy and not even know it but then if someone
pointed out to you oh this is a Banksy people would be like oh wow that's crazy I mean if they
know who Banksy is in the first place right which it's more of a common name than um some of the
other things around but at the same time it's not like everybody knows Banksy either you know
yeah that's a really good fucking point actually oh yeah sorry go on
oh no no i was just gonna say like i see 90 both 92 and santa um have some have some comments so
uh mystery you can i didn't really see whose hand went up first but you he's first okay that's what
i thought but i wasn't sure 92 go ahead and then and then santa after that there's so many this is i love i love talking about this
stuff because there's so many psychological things going on in the timeline that i don't
think really get broken down but you see them at play especially when people are at each other's
necks in spaces which is hilarious but you know it's interesting cynthia like you know you mentioned
what what would you think if i pulled you aside and asked you what you thought about this punk you would probably get a different reaction from people not even mentioning
the price but if they were in a group with their friends or group with their peers or group with
their co-workers you might get different answers from that same person depending on who they're
with which is really interesting right and like sometimes you like you have social proof and
things change and whatever and like that's all good and you can like what you like.
And that's awesome.
And in art sense,
but then also like when you start thinking like talking about tradables and
value and like trying to make money off shit,
maybe you don't even want that social consensus or you want it after you've
got a position in it.
Like there's so many like fucking factors that weave into each other.
It's,
it's fascinating and really fun to talk about.
Very, very cool.
You're very right.
You're very right about that in terms of, you know, people say different things depending
on who they're with.
And that can definitely change, you know, how someone reacts to a situation or anything else uh santa what what
did you want to say go ahead well first it's kind of a weird question but did you guys want hands
in this phase like i'm like raising but i don't know if i should or if we should just talk what's
up it's uh yeah it's kind of like uh you know things are chaotic like i are chaotic I do like the hands
But at the same time you can just jump in
We're also Canadian
It just sometimes helps too
For people who have
Good timing sometimes
Sometimes it's hard to jump in
At the right time
Someone starts talking before you And then it goes like around and then it never gets uh you're just don't get the time so that's
part of the reason sometimes we do the hands um when especially when it's you know several people
kind of trying to speak so it's a little hard but um it does help sometimes so that everyone does
get a chance even if they're timing on uh speaking because they're worried about like talking over
someone or something like that.
Yeah, like I kind of feel like it's like a hybrid system where it's like, you know, it's you're, you know, everyone's free to jump in.
But then but then after if someone has had their hand up for like a little bit, I will just be like, hey, let's go to that that person because it's kind of like, you know, some people just don't want to just like interject and cut, you know.
And sometimes you feel like you're cutting someone off or whatever.
It's a bit of an art form.
Luckily, I think we do a pretty good job
around here.
You guys are good.
Yeah, like
92 just said a second ago,
he's tired of talking about it.
I'm fucking tired of talking about it too.
I'm ready to figure it out. I'm tired of fucking just talking about it. I'm fucking tired of talking about it too. I'm ready to figure it out.
And I'm tired of fucking just talking about it.
Hell yeah, man.
And what did you have to say about all this, Santa?
What do you think about all this craziness?
As far as like the punk thing or like everything,
like it's always belonging.
People want to belong.
It's like the most common human need.
Abandonment is the worst emotion. It's not, you know, it's not belonging people want to belong it's like the most common human need abandonment is the worst emotion it's not you know it's not an emotion really but like it's the worst feeling um so we want to belong as a species we have to right like that's how we
survive we're a social species and so like nfts and like seeing these like communities come
together it's like wow that's a sense of belonging for people and you can monetize you can be in it
you can do whatever you want but you can see that happening and you know again abandonment
would be the worst and you know it's worse than hate hate denotes somebody actually cares about
something if they give zero fucks you're abandoned abandoned. That's different. So we're dealing with this every day on a psychological level.
And I see people doing it, and I'm like,
and we're trading.
We're trading with large amounts of money with us.
And I'm like, oh, man.
So how do you do it ethically, too?
That's a whole different discussion.
But this is really, if you want to go to the the two things it's abandonment
and belonging that's actually very powerful because like yeah i think you're right about
that in that like you know yeah abandonment it's a terrible feeling right and like like you said
um you know if somebody like if there's hate involved, then at least there's like a strong
feeling towards it. But like, if there's like indifference, then it's completely like abandonment.
And, and especially like, and it's kind of just interesting too, because like, I have seen,
you know, the one, one thing that kind of gets me right is that like, you know, there's always like
this appeal, like when a, when a project is is let's say minting originally or something like
that there's this appeal to like join the group be one of us be cool you know be cool with us and
stuff like that but then i'll kind of like get in these some of these communities and i'll just kind
of like lurk or whatever and i'll always see like there's different people there's people that are
there genuinely for the community and they're contributing and stuff like that right and then there's the people that are always kind of complaining like
hey why isn't this happening why isn't this happening but like it always kind of strikes
me as odd when you see somebody that's like contributing a lot and then suddenly they just
ask one question or something like that and it's like it's just an innocent thing like hey how come
the team didn't do this or whatever the fuck right and and then like it's like everyone turns
against them right like the team turns against them and it's like they're like well you don't
like it get the fuck out then right and it's like it's just kind of weird how quickly they can turn
on you and so i feel like there could be like abandonment in that situation right where it's
like what the fuck i've been like supporting this collection for like ever i've i literally was like
the number one person
making memes i was doing this and that i was in the discord every day and then like i just asked
one question and you suddenly turn your back on me it's like and like i've seen that shit happen
a lot of times right uh unfortunately and so it's kind of like um yeah things like that just kind of
you know there's a lot at play and then people are trying to make money too right like there's you're playing with people's money and stuff so like
it's kind of interesting like i saw i don't remember who the tweet was from but it was
somebody was like you know if you want to sometimes like having conviction means being
having to put up with like just a crazy community or something like that right and if you believe
in like the art itself right you have to put up with
what comes with it like the community sometimes and whether that's a good or a bad thing right
and and you know if it's a kind of a community that turns on people right so what do you what
do you think of all this santa i think if they turn on people you got to get the fuck out
it's not going to work community is what builds like a lot of you see you saw puppets get a
point three something bitcoin like that's a huge amount of money even then it was a huge amount of
money that was community if puppets were like you know get the fuck out which it kind of is their
game a little bit but like you know what i mean like it's not really their game um you know they
just fuck with people like they're kind of expert trolls very smart people but they're
also good people like I know a lot of puppets so nobody's gonna be like yo and like even like with
Kongs like when cyber Kongs like the genesis like people were selling and they were like I gotta sell
I gotta do this make my family right and everything and we're like yo you're always a Kong
that's when you know and i'm not trying to
show kongs or puppets i'm just saying that's when you know if you're in a good community because
they're like you're always one of us and it doesn't matter you have life situations but the
ones who are like oh shit like i got self-shamed like in 2021 like you know it was like those
diaper bear things like i mean you guys know this story but like diaper bears and
i don't know what they were called got some whitelist and i immediately sold because i was
like they have diapers on and they're bears and these guys are assholes they came after me on
twitter like you fucking sold santa and i'm like because you have diaper bears like what is this
but like really it's just like if the community is gonna fuck with you like in that way that's not your community it really isn't totally totally you know really well said
um completely agree with that yeah it's like and it takes a little while to find to find the right
community like if it's kind of your vibe or whatever right and it's like it's almost like
a goldilocks thing it's like oh this community they're whatever they're not they're to this this community to that oh this one's just right and uh you know so it's just it's just kind of
interesting there and i saw 92 you had your hand up what do you think about that
uh try and get my train of thought here am i oh hang on am i good oh yeah i can hear you
okay sweet i'm just walking into a place that's got Wi-Fi
I like manically turn this Wi-Fi off so I don't hop. Oh, you're sounding beautiful out here
You're not like before you were kind of you were kind of sounded a little bit like you're just
All way and then coming back and well now you're fucking perfect. Now. You're absolutely perfect
incredible
Uh, yeah, I really like what you said there santa
but like you're always a calm or like you're always a puppet and i think those words and
everything behind them well like the words for a puppet and the word for a calm it's just like
it just kind of means you're part of you're just a community and like you're probably behaving in a
similar way to many people that's
in this circumstance like probably pretty ethical and sound and like probably supportive towards
each other which is really cool um and you know if somebody's like self-shaming or like trying
to tear people down or fucking like start shit um in like a nonsensical way to me that just screams like okay you've probably never
played like a competitive sport in your life and don't understand like social dynamics and like
how to stick together and how to build and the big one that we keep going towards is like how to lead
there's no fucking good leaders almost almost not not everybody Not everybody, but like a lot of poor, poor leaders,
you could say in this space, in my opinion,
from somebody who's played very high-level sports
for a long time.
Yeah, I think there's a lot of work to be done
in that regard, and that just comes to exposure
and being in tough circumstances with people
and learning skills, and yeah, it doesn't come easy,
but I don't know, I'm just rambling now.
That kind of like sports leadership kind of coach vibe.
I think that's something that would be worth kind of like circling back on to after, you know, Santa and then Jer as well.
Oh, Jer's up first.
How you doing, Jer?
Hey, good evening, everybody.
Going back to what Santa was saying about the loneliness thing,
that's actually the number one epidemic right now,
mentally, mental epidemic in the United States.
Are you sure it's not being straight?
Yeah, being straight is also an epidemic, you know?
You don't want to be straight.
That too straight that too
that's a whole other conversation
but as my
one of my other favorite Canadians
besides the people here in this panel
my great Canadian
rock star I look up to Mr.
Dallas Green from St. Catharines
and the band City in Color
and Alexa Blair
there's a pill for loneliness so
that's what we're all looking for oh my god i love fucking city and color
i'm more partial to alexis on fire but dallas green is fucking great go see him if you can
100 100 seen him several times but you guys know what's up i'm gonna meet real quick i'm gonna
go ahead yeah man i've seen him a couple times in concert and his voice just cuts through your soul
it's crazy especially his voice is fucking haunting isn't it haunting it's just like and
when you hear it live you're like holy fuck it's like just as good if not like better live it's
like holy shit it just like cuts through you like a fucking blade uh what do you think of all this santa what do you think of
all this like i mean it can be a loneliness but like not necessarily if you're trading right
you can just find the good communities like see how they're treating people like find the ones
that are like really healthy and buy those and sell those as a trader you don't have to like
really get involved you can have your family and like everything else going on around you
and like i still have communities that i love don't get me
wrong but like when i say love i mean like punks is not even a community for me it's just it's an
asset like i don't talk to punks that much i don't do anything with punks like nothing's going on
there um there's punks meetups i don't go to those i'm not saying they're bad like they're
fantastic i'm sure you know you probably get like so many free drinks you can't even imagine but
like you got to separate you know you can look for good communities and trade on those and
get your bags there which is really what i'm focused on right now like what are the good
communities and like where am i gonna go um because i like
i mean i kind of screwed up with a few things in 2021 as you guys know but um that's really where
it is but like you can't put your emotional bags on something you're buying a web 3 you can't put
your put your emotional bags on a picture if you have friends here absolutely those are your friends
though has nothing to do with what you have that That's actually a really fucking good point, right?
And, you know, it's interesting, this discussion about, like, you know, lonely kind of people
coming here and finding people, right?
Because it's kind of like, it almost can kind of be, there's a bit of a risk there in that,
like, you know, maybe somebody who's,, you know, lonely or someone that might be possibly a little more susceptible to like manipulation. Right. And they come into a group and at first they're welcomed in and then slowly, you know, the group kind of gets a little more like changes. Right. And maybe it's not for the best. Right. And, you know, and before, you know, maybe they're maybe they're even like take i think
i've heard like some you know some groups like we're like last cycle we're getting people to buy
like buy our fucking uh you know i won't name the collection but i was like they're like buy this
really expensive one in the collection to prove that you're like worthy and then you'll get into
this like exclusive group and then they did
it and then everybody's still shit on that person anyways so it's kind of like what the fuck like
you know and whereas like if you could come into a group maybe you're maybe you're not in the best
place maybe you're a little bit susceptible to stuff so why couldn't like and kind of like 92
was saying you know like coaches in in like know, high level sports and shit like that. Like those guys build people up,
you know, and kind of like help bring out their potential. Right. Exactly.
Yeah. And so absolutely. Yeah.
There's like what you just mentioned, like where you just,
even after you set this like fucking gatekeepy bar and then you still have the
nerve cause you're a coward behind the keyboard to tear
somebody down for whatever self-worth you're trying to achieve is like the most fucking
pathetic shit and unfortunately there's a lot of time no repercussion for that but like you can do
you could just like i see this stuff all the time you know and i will pop into spaces and i'll just
see it's just like wow man it's you could just do so much better and and i think
eventually if you do go that that better route you will attract like-minded people and just grow
something i mean that's you can't grow with fucking negativity like that but you can the
other way around oh that's exactly that's that's so fucking true man that is that's so true and
and it's kind of crazy how i've seen like you know, there's like, I think they're like, I don't know.
It's like, you know that other space?
There's like the books in those guys.
Used to be with Bark and them, whatever, right?
There was like Shillinville.
Yeah.
Oh, the Dojanals or whatever?
Yeah, the Dojanals guys, right?
Those are fucking idiots.
Yeah, exactly. Hell yeah, man. yeah oh the dogenals or whatever yeah the dogenals guys right those guys are fucking idiots yeah hell yeah man and the fucked up thing is like like last cycle i was like you know trying to
find who the fuck are my people right so i was popping into all the spaces right and like
what i you know i fucking popped into those guys's space and i mean so like you're literally talking
with somebody who's like coming into the space trying to figure things out it was like basically that that that was like what i was i
was like what the where do i fit in here and uh i pop into like one of their spaces and i used to
kind of i would i would listen every once in a while and i'd even go up and just just chat with
them whatever the fuck right but then like there was one one day where i kind of like really clued
i was like these guys are fucking assholes to like so many fucking people right like they literally like the one
day i go in there and i think it was like shilling villain he's like yelling at this guy like shut
the fuck up billy shut the fuck up billy shut the fuck up billy and it was just like i was just like
what the fuck yeah hundreds and hundreds of people in here just listening to this guy shit on this dude.
Right.
And it's like, you know, and Billy was just trying to learn the fucking blockchain or
something like that.
Right.
Um, and then I, and then I found like, I found the wassies at the time.
Right.
And like, you go back, you listen to like the wass cast, right.
Those, those spaces were just like, it was like crypto comedy is what it was.
Right.
It was just like funny crypto talk right there wasn't any like fuck you go fuck yourself like you know fuck this
right and then you get something right you can call it beauty lobby shit totally exactly and
like you know you think about like you know some people coming in they're gonna be popping into
different spaces they go just just like me i was like fine and turned out like the my gut feeling from like hearing that dude like say shut the fuck up shut
the fuck up man like i was like this isn't the kind of community that i want to be a part of
like i'm not gonna just like fucking listen to these dudes just shit all over people so i was
like fuck them uh they ended up getting a big fucking following but it's like a lot of times their following is
just like all wearing their pfps and shit it's like it's it's so it kind of like reminds me of
that you know maybe maybe these a lot of people were vulnerable they came in they're like oh i
want to fit in so i'm just gonna like submit where this where their doginals pfp fucking i don't i
won't ask any questions because the community will jump on me if
i do and like like i've seen them fucking just jump all over motherfuckers uh and so yeah it's
just kind of interesting whereas like i don't know i think you can build i'm pretty sure that
leap dude built a better fucking a way bigger audience i don't know why he stopped doing his
spaces but um he had a massive audience and he
was just kind of like chill he was right but i still agree there's not really like like like
hockey level coaches football level coaches whatever the fuck you know type leadership in
the space right that could like build people up help them like i don't know and i don't know what
that would even look like would that be like you know, you're running the best project, you're building people up within your project that have your
collection, you're leaving them better than you found them. Is it like, you could even,
you could even be just a neutral party, like have it running a space, not really involved with
anything near the quote top. And I really mean that monetarily. Like somebody could give a run for the money
to anybody running a regular space,
like Ordinal Show or something like that.
And you could be totally impartial
and you could have these like really great
conversational leadership skills
and you're absolved of any fucking like whatever
like strings might tie you to this and that.
Like I've said before,
like there's so much room for somebody to trailblaze a path through here.
But I think a lot of the time people are chasing that fucking quick flip,
whatever.
And if they can get it through,
doesn't matter where,
cause there's no repercussion.
A lot of the time they're going to chase that.
So it's like conceptually like easy,
like you can see what the goal is and how to get there and how to
trailblaze but um you're running a gauntlet of like that fucking wild mad dash for cash at the
same time so it's kind of a little bit there's some obstacles in the way in that regard in my
opinion yeah that's a really good fucking point really good point you got to run that gauntlet
you got to get past those obstacles as they call them and what do you think about jr what do you
think about all that i'm going back to what you said about those little fucking idiots so let's
fucking go i was i i fucking was bored one day and i was like oh shit like these dudes have like a
lot of people in this space and i went and there's like 200 people in there and i was like who the
fuck are these fucking idiots so i hit up our me and santa's mutual friend from who knows like everybody and slimy shit and i asked him i said hey who are these fucking guys
and he told me i was like are they cool and he's like no you want to stay away from them so going
back to what you're saying about having the pfp and fitting in so i was in there with just my
irl face as a pfp no blue check mark i refuse whoa whoa you're saying we were slimy no no no i asked drew
no we're like all friends all right yeah so not us so um anyway so the dude he's like hey jerry
nice to meet you blah blah blah i was like hey what's up and he's like yeah man he's like if
you want to be successful in web 3 he's like you first thing you got to do to get noticed is you got to get a blue check mark
and you got to get one of these I'll dm you the link you got to wear your doze you got to wear
your doze no proud and I was like listen to me motherfucker I've been on twitter since fucking
2008 you haven't you've been fucking getting breastfeeding by your mom when you were
so yeah that was my experience with them I don't care if this space is recorded. They can eat a dick.
So that's my sub-box. Oh, I know who you're talking about.
Yeah, I thought you were talking about the initial
when we met, and I was like, oh no.
But yeah, I didn't feel like it went that way.
I know what you're talking about as well.
And I'm gonna...
I don't know anything about this.
I've heard all kinds of stories. I'm just going to leave it alone.
Hell yeah.
Tricky, right?
When, uh, I don't really know a heck of a lot about those guys,
so I can't really say this or that, but, uh, you know,
whoever is running that space or any space,
they're in control of any criticism that may or may not occur right they have the
fucking oh that was me over what's that that was me so yeah like no jara's cool like i'm gonna tell
you right now jara's cool but like whatever was like there was some stuff transpiring that was
weird like i don't know oh yeah yeah like jara was just talking about how like he he reached out to
your guys's group about like you know whether these dojonal dudes are cool or not and it sounds like the group was
like no i'll stay away from them and that's kind of in my read as well so then yeah so well i don't
know if it was that like i mean some of the guys are cool dojonals i mean i have some i actually
bought some after some of the guys around there but um or no i mean like specifically like you know the guys that run those spaces
right because it's like the those spaces yeah yeah like books we're we're running away a little
bit here i think but yeah all i was gonna say is that like you know if there was somebody who Oh no, you're cutting out, thank you.
Oh no, you're cutting out, no.
Are you fucking serious?
Oh my god, try it now?
No, this is bullshit.
Fuck.
Oh no.
Fuck.
It's like when I have the problems where only the things that aren't important, like,
oh wait, can you hear me now, comes through, and then everything else is just like, whoa.
Yeah, that's exactly, it's always like the hey, can you hear me now come through and then like everything else yeah that's exactly it's always like the hey can you hear me now every time
and then anything after that is just so not
elon get your shit together please am i still talking about
we can kind of hear you yeah you're kind of cyborg-y you're still kind of robot-y cyborg
which we usually love when someone's cyborg-y in this case we love it when you get cyborg-y. You're still kind of robot-y cyborg-y. Which we usually love when someone
cyborg-y is in this case.
We love it when you get cyborg-y with it.
That's going to be the next Will Smith
as we get cyborg-y
with it.
Oh, man, can we hear you now?
Can we hear you now?
Oh, maybe
Jared has to mute, possibly.
It sounds like he's got a lot of background.
Sorry about that.
No worries, we're good.
Let's try it. Are we good?
I had full fucking bars.
I wonder if that was what it was.
That's what it was. They fucked with the bars, right?
When it says full bars, it's zero bars.
When it says three bars, it really five bars it's crazy okay okay all i was gonna say is that like you know if
somebody's maybe whoever's running this space has control so if you're gonna try and like call
somebody out for doing a thing it's like oh boot or mute and that's it and then they can just keep
doing their happy little thing whatever that thing may be and so um yeah it's it's interesting like if you're hanging out in that space maybe maybe you're new
to crypto and you're hanging out trying to get a lay of the land and you're hearing these guys and
somebody comes up and they're like yeah i don't know about and then they get muted and then you
never hear the criticism because they're able to control the narrative the whole fucking time
it's an interesting dynamic you know that's actually a very good point and i think that's
that's one thing about those guys is they're big time on, like,
just controlling that narrative, right,
until it's like basically everybody falls in line, right?
And so it's kind of like β and it seems to be an effective way to run things,
right, but it's kind of like β it seems more culty, right, than it is β
it's like a coach that's running a cult right you know and
like uh would would they be better if i don't know i mean i've popped in a few times before
right so it's kind of like i don't know and i'm just using them as an example for you know
just because that was like the one you know when i came in to like you know first came into crypto
i was like oh there's all these spaces i I went into their space. It was like, shut the fuck up, man. Shut the fuck up.
And then I went into like leap space and they're kind of like laughing and having a real serious
conversation. And then, and then, you know, like it was kind of, it was kind of interesting. And
then there was, uh, you know, there was like the shill spaces and stuff like that. We're just like,
it was just like, oh, you're up next. What do you got was just like oh you're up next what do you got okay you're up next what do you got okay you're up next and it was just like yeah i
don't like these spaces and um so you're just trying to find these these people where you
belong right and then um and so it kind of makes you wonder right like i have heard you know
recently like there's been new people coming to the space and And, like, we, I don't know, I think we had someone in the space here a few nights ago that was saying they had just come from another space.
And, like, people were basically just being turned away, right?
Like, from it because, like, kind of hostile attitudes, right?
So, you know, it's things like that.
But it's like, is that really going to, I don't know, build people up?
Is that going to build a good community? Right. Um,
do you only want a fucking community? Uh, right.
Like it's kind of like fight club, right? It's like, where you're like,
do you want to have a hazing to get into this community or whatever?
Or do you want to like, you know, be like a fucking, I don't know.
I just like 92 is analogy of like the,
the leadership of professional sports teams.
And I know it's totally different,
but maybe there's some lessons that could be taken from that.
But what do you think of that 92?
And then we're going to Walker.
I think it's a lot less different than people may think.
And emergency emergency goldfish crackers has officially released Spicy Dill
Pickle and I'm grabbing them.
Oh my god.
What the fuck was the one that they had?
They had one that I tried. It was so
fucking good. It was like
some kind of
candy flavor almost.
It was like strawberry.
Vanilla cupcake? I think it was strawberry
what's strawberry
shortcake shortcake yes yes sorry who released it 92 again it's a pepperidge farms oh pepperidge
farms okay sorry i couldn't i like i heard it but it just didn't click in my brain it just it's not
uh enter it just didn't stay it entered and it was just like, boop. I'm like, wait, who released something?
It was like processing, processing. Yeah, it was a little laggy over here.
Sats per V-byte too low.
A little laggy over here, apparently.
Oh, you know, we just got that cyborg, you know, sometimes.
Got to upgrade.
I need to upgrade.
Maybe I have too many tabs open.
I must have too many tabs open.
Yeah, you just need to like reboot it or like, you know.
Turn it off, turn it back on.
Yeah, definitely.
We always love turning it on.
And my God, what do you think of that, Walker?
What do you think of all this?
I think that you definitely need to have members in the community that call out bad behavior if at any point where the focus on not being negative
becomes so predominant that you will kind of allow negativity to flourish but you're just
not focused on it um and it is is something that is is all over crypto because you know everyone that's oh don't don't don't say anything bad
about them because you never know who they know and um it just makes it really so tough to
to build uh to build anything and share these communities and just uh everyone's kind of feel
like there's some people that are always on edge and there's some people who are not on edge whatsoever.
And they're just kind of, you know, blissfully, you know, carrying on whatever way, you know, if it's helping them for the better or if it's for the worse um you'll see
people blissfully hold a bag all the way to zero and be like oh well i'm just being a community
member and supporting um and you'll see people making a ton of money not recognizing you know
they kind of what they got into maybe and um yeah it's just uh i'm i am definitely one of the people that's been more
more on edge lately the uh the last little bit um and it's just i'm really hoping we see something
something in the in the bitcoin community kind of come back with a real fiery vengeance right now and um if not it's just going to be
probably just be be gaming right now i think we're still probably a little early on ai
actually really running but when it comes to gaming i um i think crypto gaming could be the
sector that really really pumps right now hell yeah brother always
appreciate the perspective and uh you know the crypto gaming that could be some powerful shit
well yeah it becomes the one where it's not that it's not frowned upon for for people to shill it
to their community like i am a gamer and i'm playing a game and then my community of gamers play the game with me so
there's there's not this this dumping on everybody um this it's a it's a lot less um
you know victim of a you know victim victim-based crime victim-oriented crime
whatever no it's just we're gamers we're playing the game, you died,
you lost all your lives, and you also lost money, I mean, that's, you played the game,
you bought your lives, and I like, I like that, I don't like this, oh, no crying in the casino,
skill issue, it's, well, no, casinos have rules on how they can work. And this is not a rule over here. This is this is the manipulation goes deep. You know, we're paying girls.
That's a great point, dude. That's a great point.
you know, put out content and act like they're part of this. Why? You know, there's a button,
we were just talking about these people that look for community and things like this. And
some of these people are really, really smart. And they know that people are looking for community
and they don't want to be abandoned. And, oh, now I see a pretty girl over here. So, you know,
start firing this other section of the brain. That's also not really talking to my rational section of the brain right now. And it's all some of the stuff in that i've been reading it doesn't look to be all that organic
i agree with that what do you think about this santa what do you think about all this
separate yourself from the noise oh 92 ago now you're good you got momentum i'll go after it
go ahead oh yeah legends all i said was separate yourself from the noise like think about it like
what are you doing in your life we're talking about pretty girls there's a bunch of pretty
girls like they're all they think i'm a dude on twitter so like i get like all these like ads for
like i get booties in my fucking feed all day like wow that's a nice booty like i mean but
like i'm not trying to hit it but like i mean
like think about like what you're gonna get with that like no that's noise it's all noise and like
then what are you gonna do with your life like what are you doing crypto and everything else and
like how to read charts and you know talk to people you want to talk to who are intelligent
and have some kind of like decent understanding of what's happening and like watch like I mean there's a lot of people you
can watch as well like you know on YouTube and I know there's a lot of bad people you can watch
on YouTube there's a lot of good people as well um but don't don't be like you know seduced by
the noise I guess because the noise will be everywhere all the time I got seduced by the
noise not that kind of noise that I'm talking about right now but like just different chains and there's these l2s and it's like no i'm not
gonna fuck with l2s i'm gonna fuck with l1s why they're gonna fucking like handle it like much
better like we have a downturn and i'm just i'm not dealing with l2s um if there's one where i
can see like you know definitely you just have to fucking run right now and, like, get the fuck out, sure, but I'm not, like, staying with L2s at all. Even Ease is coming out with a new thing
where, like, the gas is going to be cheaper. I think you guys told me about that, so, like,
don't worry about the noise, the girls, you know, if you want to get the girl, get the girl when
you're poor. Don't get the girl when you're rich.
Just don't.
Get a girl you really like when you're poor.
I absolutely love that, Alpha, actually, you know,
because if you find a real one that can stick by you,
you know, even through the poor times, right, it's just going to be even sweeter when you're sharing those good times together.
Right. And, uh, but then, you know, but then, you know, if you meet, meet people after your giga,
giga rich, you're just going to be thinking, are they just in this for the money? Why weren't,
why weren't they there before? Right. You know, and, uh, would they really, you know, still be
there if the money was gone? Right. So you want to, you know, you want to get
that, that person there. And, uh, you know, as well, you know, being, being seduced by all the,
the noise, right? On the timeline. And, uh, yeah, it's like, there's these, these, these L2s,
L3s, whatever the fuck, right? You know? And it's just like, you you know sticking to these l1s seems to be a good idea
you know and uh and then of course you know there's me right putting all those booties on
the timeline again oh god just absolutely destroying everyone or improving however you
look at it everyone's algorithms oh god just uh what have done? What have I unleashed on crypto Twitter?
And yeah, so, you know, it's just a beautiful thing.
And I see we have Omnity up here.
What a legend.
What do you think of all this Omnity?
What do you think about that?
Howdy, howdy.
Yeah, definitely agreeing on the L2 sentiment.
I will give a tip of the hat to 92,
who I think was hand up politely before I.
But yeah, I came up to reiterate, don't be distracted.
And the dead Internet theory is real.
I get maybe 20 offers a week for fake engagement.
And I know how many other companies are taking that up on a regular basis.
And, you know, there's lots of different strategies that that can be done.
I'm very familiar with that because that shit's been going on since like 2017.
You know, pumping metrics, pumping numbers, you know, trying to dilute user-based metrics.
So, yeah, definitely agree on the don't be distracted thing and the other thing i
wanted to mention real briefly is that um i've talked shit about ethereum quite a bit over the
past little while number one it's convenient when you're working on you know bitcoin defy stuff but
number two um they've been struggling with this uh extraction narrative where blast and ck sync and scroll and base and whatever the fuck else
are all getting a huge benefit from ethereum but they're really not giving back but i think there
is some metrics that you can use to measure an l2 to sort of like see if they're going to try to do
some cool shit for the long run but that's really rare and even when you do find that, you'll still see them hit the cold start problem.
You'll still see them, you know, fizzle out or have security issues.
Like there was a time where we really expected Axelor and Wormhole and Nomad
to be like the future of chain abstraction and L2s at the same time
because they would be paying gas fees on each chain every time they do something.
And, you know, they realized that that's not a good business model for them.
It doesn't really...
The way that they target it or the way that they promise venture.
So there's a lot of...
Shit, but, you know, I'm saying, like, definitely wanted to echo Santa's point
because, like, there is a lot of distractions
there's a lot of shiny and uh just remember they want your sets you know guay is one thing but they
want your sets yeah shout out to 92 has been patient what a legend yeah 92 they're gonna be
saying no guay when you're seeing those sats and what do you think of this 92 what do you think of
this yeah it's all good guys i'm used to just being ignored under the desk all the time
wait for me uh yeah okay so kind of walker you're a bit um getting into this like building and and
creating and stuff like that something that i i think about actually often is that uh where's
people trying to uh bridge the gap between normal people and just like let them know about Bitcoin.
I know there's some people like, you know, Jan and Trevor.
Jan and Trevor.
Oh, I do that.
Can I tell you how I did that?
Because I do that regularly.
It's not even that hard.
Dude.
Okay.
So the first thing, you got to lose money.
That's number one.
Okay.
If you're onboarding somebody, there's a chance that you will help them, that you will waste your time, that you will waste your sats, and they'll like fucking lose their keys and some currency will be bought and just forgotten about or they just live on Coinbase and do nothing. Number one.
Number two, you need more than just, hey, look, it's a fucking investment.
Because otherwise, you're just turning people into old Japanese grandpa who trade on the stock exchange.
That doesn't actually get them into crypto.
It just gives them an opportunity to an asset.
So at East Denver this year, I gave out somewhere between 200 and 300 little NFC chips.
And I taught every single Uber driver or Lyft driver that I was in the car with, like, hey, you can put Bitcoin colon and then a Bitcoin address here and you can send that money to Venmo or Cash App under the table or wherever else.
And you can get direct payments from people like me who will start a ride and then feasibly cancel it and then pay you a similar amount directly.
amount directly i think that's like a real incentive right is instead of losing 30 to 50
percent of your cab fare you would just get all of that directly in magic internet money like that's
a real motivation that's amazing dude that's not something we hear of often so thank you for doing
that kind of thing there's so much opportunity for that and i think that you know people are like
oh we're gonna we're gonna get the norm here. Well, that's probably a good start is making them understand the very, very baseline things, you know? And then can I, can
I interject one more thing before I hand it back over? Um, you know, you talk about community and
stuff like that and let me, I am driving through the mountains. So let me know if I'm dying here,
but, um, you know, there's, there's meetups in Vancouver that happen, I would say, at least once a month,
probably twice, and I have intentions to do something with that, and like expose, people
at these Bitcoin events, like there's actually a decent scene in Vancouver, but people have no
idea what an ordinal is, and people have no idea what a rune is or anything else.
Like they're basically, they're all, a lot of them are trying to understand like what money is and what money can be.
And that's, that's baseline, right?
And where you've got to kind of start from.
But like, I want to, I want to get Naver, Naver and I like grew up together and we live in Vancouver and I would like to get Naver out. And another puppet around too and and just like come out get a bunch of stickers like talk about things like
hey like I wouldn't even show people like really particular projects like I'd be like did you know
that you can put a picture of your dog on chain forever like or just stuff like that like mention
the novelty that things can be decentralized not taking away all these sorts of things and
uh and then just give out stickers
and have fun and onboard people.
And I feel like communities
could be doing a lot more of that.
And I'm not looking to get paid.
I'm not looking to really necessarily
shill puppets,
but that's kind of where my heart is.
We love puppets.
Don't we?
We do a lot of good things.
Right.
and I just feel like,
communities can be that and you don't even have to have,
like you can just fucking draw your own.
Nobody gives a fuck.
It's kind of just like about being good.
And like,
I have a,
I come from a space here where I look around at a lot of things and how
everybody's purchasing power has died 40% in the last fucking few years and will continue to and all these things.
And I just worry for people, man.
And I want to do something about it.
And among a lot of people scrapping for their own way up and their come up and all that shit, like that's cool and we all got to do it.
I also just feel like we could give back and help out because I think it's very, very sorely needed.
You know, I talk about, for example, if you guys have seen the big short in the casino when the two guys have put the bet on,
and they're like, they're like really starting to see the return on their short because the housing market's blowing up.
Like, we just made the best trade of our lives.
And Brad Pitt's like, shut up, shut up.
Like, did you know that like every percentage that it goes down, like 10,000 people like die or lose their job? Like,
did you know that? Did you know that? Right. So like, you know, when you, when you have your
come up and you're fucking winning and, and like the economy is like dying around you and people
don't understand why it's like, maybe you could have gotten somebody's ear to like help them
just like ignite a fire to start asking questions and help them out.
Like maybe you can be that change to help people, you know,
preserve their wellbeing for their one fucking rock around the solar system.
Right. I don't know. That's, I think about that a lot.
I'm sorry that I fucking monologued about it,
but I think it's important.
And I think we're not really all that far away personally from that.
All of you.
Just take one.
All right.
You're good.
I know.
Yeah.
Hey,
just absolutely.
It only takes that one little push.
There's the education part.
And then there's the ground game,
the,
the,
the traction.
well,
he was saying about like,
he's basically,
basically he's saying like be a decent person.
Like, I mean, like the cycles are going to happen. We know that's going to happen. We are not going to control Bitcoin. oh well he was saying about like he's basically basically saying like be a decent person like
i mean like the cycles are going to happen we know that's going to happen we are not going to
control bitcoin i'm not going to control it you guys are not going to control it what we can
control is who we help like seriously guys who we help like say somebody comes in they're like
i want to buy this like do you want to show to them some kind of bullshit they're going to lose
their money no you don't no you don't what you want to do is help to them some kind of bullshit? They're going to lose their money. No, you don't. No, you don't.
What you want to do is help them create some kind of fund for themselves and their family that they have, you know, hopefully things outside of crypto. But, like, you know, we start with crypto here.
And, you know, get some coins, whatever you want.
Here's the L2 or sorry, L1s.
And, like, then here's, like, the main projects. Maybe if you want to get one the like the l2 or sorry l1s and like then here's like the main
projects maybe if you want to get one of those but not shilling and like if they don't want to buy it
they don't buy it i would dude if i were walking in with like say five thousand dollars to spend
i would be fucking lost i'd be lost and i know what i'm doing with trading, but like I would be fucking lost in crypto.
So our job is to help people.
It's not to onboard.
I absolutely love that.
You know, it's such a good point too, right? And I like what you, Santa and 92, also said.
It's just like, you know, it's like, yeah, it's not about shilling them projects.
Oh, quick, get in here and buy this project. Right. It's, it's like,
just maybe like educate them about it. Right. And maybe, maybe some like,
you know, security things first off, like,
here's how you can keep your stuff safe. You know,
if you want to self custody, keep it off in exchange. You can't, you know,
then, then here's how to be safe about it or things like that. Right. You know?
And, and yeah, cause, cause, you know, if you're just telling them, okay, and
it's also cool to be like, yeah, here's the top five or 10 projects.
Right.
But even usually those are kind of like out of, you know, people that are entering, right.
They're, they're a little, maybe they're a little risk averse, but they're, they're not
so risk averse that they're not willing to get into crypto.
But so they may be, you know, like, I remember I wanted to just throw like maybe 20 bucks at something or 40 bucks or something um but a lot of times
the top projects are like you know way way more than that so it's kind of it's kind of hard to
tell somebody well just buy this right so it's kind of cool to be able to just kind of like
educate them and maybe like get them ready for like you know oh here's something that's coming
up right maybe you can dabble with this this might go good and if that takes off they're able to you know
they're like wow this is really nice or if it goes down they're like fuck this isn't for me but
uh at least you didn't just tell them here quick throw 20 grand at this project or something you
know it's like um you know so they can kind of take baby steps but i see what do you think about that santa um also like if you have like old relatives and like they want you to like help them
like make sure that they know that bitcoin is volatile and like so if they're 70 if they're 60
they really might need the funds and bitcoin bitcoin is going to do whatever it's going to do
we're not sure right now i think it's going up, but we don't know.
And I was talking to my aunts.
They actually asked me, can you teach us about Bitcoin and crypto?
And I was like, yeah.
So they had to sit down, and they just literally wanted to know how to buy Bitcoin.
That was it.
And I was like, so no other crypto?
That was it?
It was Bitcoin? But they're getting older older and i was like like at your age
like this is volatile now had they spent their entire new retirement retirement accounts like
done into bitcoin and like then sold at the right time but they're not going to sell at the right
time they were at the point of having like this financial advisor who didn't know about crypto
at all so like but this is like the way we have to
deal with people like you know it's like help them but like don't push them i'm not going to
push anybody into crypto i've given like the most i've done is given like one of my best friends like
a few hundred dollars and a few different coins um on solana just you know have fun with this
have fun with that if you want to she doesn't
want to really she should she should i think she should she's very smart and she's great at fucking
trading shit in real life she can trade shit here however she's not there yet and i don't want her
to be there if she's not ready and she just got a new job she's doing good but like um i'll send
shit to people but like it's not to you know i'm not onboarding it's
mostly like i want you particularly to like see like your value here if you're a good trader or
like you think you could be and like let me get you like give you a leg up or something but like
that's a like it's not like i i'm not looking to no we do need people like you know we need a bunch of normies to come
in for our bags of course to sell it's a ponzi it's always a ponzi but your friends your family
and stuff like help them just help them yeah that's a good point right like i mean it's like
at least if it if it is like you know a ponzi right it's just like then at least we can help
out the people that like we know right to kind of have like a better edge or something like that. Right.
And you know, it's, it's kind of funny. Cause like, I've never really,
I don't know.
Like I've never really taken the time to like learn to trade more.
I'm more so just like a buy and hold and wait until, you know,
and it's either ride it to zero or sell it high. Right.
But like, I, you know and it's either ride it to zero or or sell it high right um but like i you know i always thought it'd be kind of neat to just have that trading skill and so uh i did i did like i do
know about i kind of started but like crypto this guy crypto cred he's like a big big guy a big
account who's been around for a long time in uh the crypto twitter sphere and like he's got a good little
course there too so it's even like if you don't even know how to trade or something it's like
you know you can at least be like hey here's a good resource for you um it's free right and so
and there's like i think crypto finally has like a defi guide as well that she made so it's kind of
like this is kind of cool if you can at least have places you don't have you don't have to be like the best but um and then also but it sounds like your
friend is already good at trading like other things so probably wouldn't take too much for
her to get get into it but you're right it's like you don't want her to be ready just yet
um you know you want it's different don't get cocky though it's a fucking it's small markets
if you're coming from forex where you're trading pips and like the liquidity is like billions plus deep like just saying there there's there's some you
know like false assumptions or misunderstandings that come from that like i did forex trading
before i tried trying to make some money in crypto i'm not a good trader like i agree with
you i don't mean to cut your momentum it's just like small market
you know to you know go along with fundamental analysis or you know to expect a chart to come back or like not be ready for something like a stablecoin dpeg
like i think it's even stablecoin dpeg like that's it's still a really small market right
like 50 billion on a global scale, not a big market.
Just saying, that shit got me when I first came in because I got cocky.
I had a little bit of success with Forex trading, had a little bit of success with stocks because I was trading stocks that I'm familiar with, industry stuff that I'm familiar with.
And yeah, sorry to cut your wind.
It's just like, yeah, that hurt me really bad.
It's that i felt ready
and the portability of asset saves me the the ability to withdraw from a centralized exchange
and you know go lock up in some stupid stacked risk schema whether it's staking or whatever
like that saved my ass but you know for folks who are not going to actually handle the asset and not
go deep on defy like watch out the small market thing really fucks with people who expect otherwise.
Dude, that's a really good point, actually.
And I appreciate you bringing that up.
And yeah, it's like, because I never really traded the Forex stuff.
But I've heard it's like, it's, I don't know, I've heard it's kind of fun.
Seems to be kind of a fun game to play.
Fuck, I wish i had more time to
do that stuff and it's all again bro you missed the era of jpy being minted for free
yeah yeah exactly right and what's that it's all a game everything like new traders are like you
know we're gonna change the world we're doing this like this project's gonna be amazing like
i have to like put my whole heart into it like no it's all a fucking game like trade like it's a game make some friends like make some really
good friends but like it's it still is a game trading is a game it's all a ponzi everything's
a ponzi the united states is a ponzi more on that later but like seriously
yeah it is interesting right and it's always like
we always need more people to come in to kind of like dump on essentially right and like um you
know it sucks sucks to to hear it but it's like uh you know hopefully there's a lot of degenerate
millionaires out there that just want to buy digital cyborg art you know that's the that's
that's the dream you know that they're waking up and they're like oh i have all this money
so much money i could swim in this money like scrooge mcduck uh i just need somewhere to put
this and there's cyborgs there's the bitcoin cyborgs ready to just take that liquidity you know so what do you think of this
Walker and then we'll welcome Marcus to the stage as well what do you think of this Walker
I had a phone call so I didn't know um what happened after 92 mentioned he was talking about
you know who's who's getting out there to the masses more he said I know there's yawn I think
he mentioned a few other names but um and so you'd
be happy to know i just finished building my uh my little my little crypto education course i'm
gonna run out of a hotel conference room like a hotel lobby room and um i'm doing a little some
some uh geo-located ads on facebook i I'm going to go on the radio and say something.
Yeah.
Dude, can you get in my DMs and, like, maybe we can have a chat
and just bounce ideas off each other?
Because I'm curious how your approach is,
and maybe we can bash our heads together
and come up with some really cool, effective shit, you know?
I'm already in there, like, swimwear.
Check it.
I mean, you're like, stand in a beach on your ass crack.
I'm already in your DM.
Hell yeah. Love to hear it, but you like stand in a beach on your ass crack i'm already in your dm love to hear it but sorry to interrupt please carry on yeah and just um i think i'm gonna do kind of like three different tiers of it just do like bitcoin basics um do do another one where
it's like cryptocurrency basics and then do another one where it's like cryptocurrency basics. And then do another one where it's like...
I feel like it's a good theme for today, and I'm about to lay it at Jay.
That's a good Jay conversation.
No, it's a perfect Jay conversation.
Let's fucking go.
Oh, I might be rugged.
No, you're good.
You're good.
I can do my bad.
My bad.
Oh, hey.
And kind of try to do just these three different tiers
because, I mean, I think Bitcoin is way different, you know, right,
than cryptocurrency basics and cryptocurrency basics
and just kind of understanding some of the, you know,
the nutshell concept ideas of these is, you know,
then once you get that, maybe you can then branch down to DeFi
and kind of understand how they work a little more intimately.
And there's so many people and I deal with the quote unquote, the public, you know, definitely a different demographic
of the public every day. But pouring wine and dealing with people like this and people on,
you know, vacation or just trying to get away from the city or something like this every day.
to get away from the city or something like this every day. I'm constantly refining my delivery and
how I talk about Bitcoin with people. And the one question that I definitely feel like this is a
tone-based thing where it really matters how you say this one to somebody. but you say, you know, guys, like you start off with this and you say,
I respect you. And so this is kind of, most people say the reason why they don't buy Bitcoin
is because they don't understand it. And what I say to that person is kudos to you. I respect you
for that. I think that's an honorable thing thing not to want to get involved with something that you don't understand.
But let me ask you, how much do you understand?
And you say to that person, right?
I like you have that perspective. It's a good perspective.
How much do you understand about fractional reserve lending or quantitative easing or what sets the things that actually influence the debt clock. What's a debt clock? It's not an actual clock. They always answer
that question every time. They say, I know none of these things. I don't understand any of that.
I say, well, then why do you participate with it and use all these things all the time?
About half the time then, you'll get back a response of, oh, that's a good point. And I think just opening up that kind of that part of the
conversation right there, it's like, hey, I think it's a respectable thing not to get involved with
things that you don't know about. But if that's your justification there, then why isn't it also
mirrored for this over here? and once kind of opening that door and that
that kind of like in a respectful way though that because so quickly do people feel like you're
making them out to be stupid and no one wants to feel stupid um that's not a great place to start
from um but yeah so quickly once you can get that door opened do people start understanding that, oh, wow, I really don't understand any of
these things. This guy is trying to explain it to me. And I shit you not, like the other day,
someone was sitting in the white, I explained them, you know, kind of just Bitcoin. And the
end of it at the end was, because why hasn't anyone else explained it to me that way? And I kind of laughed. I was like, well, they want to buy it at $40,000 and sell it to you at
$80,000. And they don't want you to buy it even $80,000. They want you to buy it at $120,000.
That's why. This is how it works, right? What's it mean to you?
So a lot of people are very, they don't meet people where they are and they're not really good at
teaching and they're not ready for people to learn in a different way from them that's a huge
fucking issue and so to address those is being able to capture way more people
definitely looking for for help on like you know maybe something i was asking we were my buddies
and i were talking said you know what are we going to put in here you know what do people
actually want to know where you know it meets your point for for where do you go meet people
and um so yeah i'm thinking maybe do um a three-hour course and maybe even do two three-hour courses like on a Friday, Saturday
or Saturday, Sunday and kind of allow because I think even three hours it's like could you
even cover the Bitcoin basics like just the basics for Bitcoin in three hours?
Do Bitcoin for dummies or like explain it to them like they're five that always works you know
and make a visual yeah i don't want to have a 62 year old um guy coming off of the golf course or
something like this and then have some young 20 some odd year old we're talking about bitcoin
for dummies i'm trying to find out a little way that it is catchy. 52-year-olds are going to be fine with that.
If he wants to make money.
No one wants to be called dumb.
You don't have to call them.
Dummies, people buy those books
for a reason because they want a shortcut.
It's really a shortcut. Anybody who buys that
is so old that it's a shortcut.
Bitcoin for Dummies.
You can use triple accounting as a visual device too just to point
out like if you're going to be teaching to older people triple accounting is like a really big
thing that is unique or was unique to bitcoin and now it's just we think about it like blockchain
shit whatever but explaining that you know a world of 100,000 independent bankers update their ledger simultaneously every 10 minutes.
Like, I get excited, so I over-explain it a little bit.
But that tool has helped me a lot instead of being like, yeah, there's blocks and the ledger and blah, blah, blah.
Like, fuck the terminology, you know, a visualization that they can understand in the framework that they've lived in their entire lives goes a really long way.
Like, highly recommend that's the that's the biggest that's the biggest limiting factor i think to most things in general is just jargon i feel like the concepts aren't actually that
hard to understand for many things it's just like understanding what the words mean and that's
yeah i was trying to explain things a little different
ways and literally kind of i just told him i was this one individual that um that gave me a really
hard time the other day um i told him i said hey man look kind of the way that works is
you know you got to pay for electricity everyone has to pay for electricity not free
and there's tons of servers tons of computers you can't even say servers you just got to pay for electricity. Everyone has to pay for electricity. It's not free. And there's tons of servers, tons of computers.
You can't even say servers.
You just got to say computers.
All around the world, you know, competing for this Bitcoin stuff.
And when one of them wins, pretty much they win all the electricity that everyone else was paying for they won that
electricity and i know that you know that's not at all how it works but the concept of you you
you get this group pool that everyone else was putting into and only one person ends up winning
it is um is the concept now it's not the same terms and everything but they uh you got to
play a poker game you just set it up it's a poker game right there right everyone goes all in and
that's that you know the the visualizations are stronger i think than even think that i can say
um you know and um maybe we'll have some uh some some what's what it's like fine waldo where they
sneak in a picture i'm gonna sneak in some cyborgs into the presentation maybe someone's like what's
that what's that you know and you can see me after class you you you're you're special you've been
paying attention and since you noticed here's a sticker
go home put it on you know shit like that like make it fun make it fun for people right like
yeah it's these things are very easy to do yeah i'll holler at you i'll do i like where you're
going with that dude that's awesome and i'm really excited to just have these conversations with
people and see where they go and because um i think it's exciting for people to start to learn, which is a really good.
I mean, it's a path to empowering themselves, right, and making better decisions.
And yeah, it's a wild ride, that's for sure.
But yeah, I think that's really cool.
So let's keep talking about that shit.
Let's keep in touch.
Yeah, absolutely love the discussion here incredible discussion and my god you know i just saw that the legend 92 just released what some are calling bitcoin cyborgs Radio Part 2. Oh my god. It's absolutely fucking incredible. We're
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I'm thinking Scarface
92 what a fucking legend holy shit what did you think
of that santa what did you think the music scarface but it's not
yeah it's a beautiful it's it's almost like scarface but a digital blockchain scarface right
with cyborgs fighting a horrible emperor quard,
you know,
he's out there.
He's out there digitizing worlds,
right?
Could you imagine that one day the aliens come down?
They just fucking convert us.
They bridge us over into a blockchain.
Bite for bite.
And then we're just digital NFT people after that.
That's the cyborgs world. And thatft people after that that's the cyborgs world
and that's what you're hearing on the cyborgs radio my god it's the future of religion shout
out to you i mean we'll see what that what happens there it is we never know
you know some people say they worship this emperor quark right this evil emperor quark
right they do worship me Thank you so much for noticing.
And even though
you guys are fighting me, you know what I mean?
I still love this Bitcoin Cyborgs
radio, even
though you guys are fighting against me. But this shit
is absolutely banger. I'm gonna
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It's amazing. Bitcoin Cyborgs
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have to listen to this whole thing it's absolutely fantastic and we love all the work that you do
you know as you fight against me but amazing work. And thank you for bringing this brand of creativity and musicianship and fun to the Bitcoin cyborgs and to our digital world where we are taking those cyborg souls and sucking them up into this metaverse land.
But having some good tunes while we do it.
So thank you for that.
You know, when those cyborgs aren't fighting you,
they're enjoying this beautiful cyborgs radio.
And my God, it's even got an incredible animation.
You know, he's incorporated the animation
that Legend Web.3 made of the cyborg moving around.
He's incorporated that right here.
It's now on the inlay, the overlay,
and it just looks digital and cool as fuck.
It's futuristic.
And I'll tell you,
it feels like I'm traveling across the blockchain
when I'm looking at this beautiful grid system.
It's like blocks, right?
Coming towards you on the horizon.
They're digital blocks. blocks my god thank you
92 for this incredible what do you what do you think of all this they make you think about that
well with with permission please miss if i get a chance to hop in my car and absolutely murder
the highway at blinding speeds in the cold cold night with the heat blasted i'd like to
consecutively smoke cigarettes until i get a head rush so bad that I crash into a telephone pole. It's my kind of night. Please don't crash
into a telephone pole. We don't want that. And don't get any speeding tickets. But otherwise,
I guess, have at it. Be careful. No crashing, no speeding tickets. Those are the rules. But
have a great drive and enjoy yourself and i
guess you know no limit you can smoke as many cigarettes as you want yeah more cigarettes more
even though you know i hate cigarettes but uh that's fine you can do that
sometimes you just have to do it just fucking do it that's that's like the cyborgs thing just fucking do it the
fucking separates it from nike it makes it legal um and we've got marcus here welcome to the stage
marcus how are you doing this up guys welcome hello um just enjoying the conversation uh i like
what you guys are talking about with uh just educating people and not really shilling the people.
That totally makes sense.
And I'm totally about that.
I kind of hopped in late here.
I don't know if you guys talked about it tonight or not.
But how do you think tariffs are going to be affecting crypto?
You know, it's very interesting, right?
It's a stable point world, right?
You got to hit that mystery.
Are you Canadian?
I've got to ask before we continue.
Are you Canadian?
No, no, I'm not.
Wisconsin.
Oh, okay.
Oh, okay.
Yeah, close enough.
Yeah, Wisconsin.
I sound more Canadian when I'm drunk.
I've had a few.
There we go. Yeah, you unlock more Canadian when I'm drunk. I've ahead of you. Always love that. Yeah. I don't know. It's kind of interesting, right? Like it always seems like,
I mean, I'm no expert or anything like that, but it always just seems like these events are always
like non-issues kind of thing. Right every time i look back it's like you know
everything kind of recovers it seems to recover pretty pretty quickly so these like tariff and
things like that they just it seems like if anything it kind of creates like maybe a buying
opportunity if there's like people are scared right they're kind of like oh i'm not i'm selling
i'm not gonna buy until after the tariffs are done
because like it seems like there's always some event some scary event that people are kind of
like you know oh fuck it i'm i'm selling now i'm gonna wait till this passes and it always seems
like it's the people that kind of buy those dips right and i mean like even even the crash like
the covid crash right you know everyone's like oh fuck that's it right and
it ended up just being a huge buying opportunity right so like uh 100 i totally agree um have any
of you been following the m2 liquidity uh uh market like the m2 liquidity line that that chart didn't it fucking skyrocketed it fucking
skyrocketed and uh if you line it up with the chart dude it's uh put it put number 10 on it
on your chart if you find it it fucking lines up perfectly it's crazy and uh right now we're within
like 14 days of it popping if it continues to
follow but this cycle i feel like every cycle there's uh there's like a secret indicator and
this cycle it almost looks like it's the m2 uh global liquidity that's what it looks like it
doesn't mean it has to continue to follow it but uh we're man we're there right now if it's gonna pop it's
gonna pop on that one 14 days so there was a basket of currencies that london interbank was
responsible for four different major world fiat currencies did you know that the u.s share of
that decreased by 30 percent what does that mean when When they switched to SOFR. So when they stopped going
from quarterly predictions of
the required amount
of liquidity between international
banks and central banks,
and they moved to a nightly reporting
system.
So in doing that,
as part of that move that was pre-agreed
years in advance and had been delayed many times,
this is like macroeconomic banking garbage, but I think it's very relevant then to supply.
They decreased the amount of dollars that was in that basket of currencies because it was 30%
and it went down to 20, if I'm not mistaken. I could be wrong. It was like 35, 25.
But in that four fiat basket basket of currencies there was more than just
dollars you know de-risking from the dollar at an international scale while we print money
while we pick on new wars that we suck at starting like it's it i mean i don't know what chart you're
looking at but i can just imagine it it's not yeah. Yeah, it's not that far fetched at all.
It's M2 global liquidity.
You know, you can find it on the Fed and you can find it as an indicator on trading view.
OK. All right. Interesting. Does it does that change anything, though?
Like what you're talking about? Like, are they.
That's the question. That's the question. Does it actually change that money supply does it actually have an impact yep that's what i was wondering to switch a different
fiat that's like yeah exactly because you know there's more deals now that are not in petrol so
you could argue a kind of like i'm sorry petrol deals that are not in dollars now so you could
argue that it balances out just sort of ignorantly it was hell looking at numbers but short of that
like no come on
you change the amount of reserve currency that's floating around in international bank transfers as you know the liquidity parameters the maximum amounts that could be sending
it has to have an effect and you know it's it's difficult to pick out other indicators but i don't
mean to hog the mic i just looked down and saw two hands up. No, I'm glad you said that.
That was informational.
They can't not print, right?
That game's over.
Yeah.
If they keep on going the direction that they're going to go,
that won't be the only option, yeah, to save them, right?
And it looks like it's finna go fucking
i mean just fucking because the cloud
well well if i may i mean one of the things is is we always print money right but the thing is is
we are on this mission to save america and the way i kind of
look at it uh if you want to if you okay so we spent 36 trillion dollars destroying america
i think we can spend a few trillion fixing it so there's a few missions we have to do to print some
money right now i do believe and it's gonna it's a big mission
guys to start cutting trillions of dollars i mean they want to cut one to two trillion dollars on
spending and then grow one to two trillion dollars so if they're gonna do that and actually balance
the budget it's a big mission but i mean they're they're showing they're showing
initiative let's
put it there
if they're not
deploying thorium reactors that turn dirt
into energy then
I love playing basketball
but I'm 4 foot 11 and I can
show initiative all day but it's not going to
fucking work out is it
I love that analogy i love that fucking analogy and we love our four foot tall legends
by the way they're the best santa i didn't realize uh we were the same height i love you
i love these wholesome vibes you know like you know what and if you ever need uh you know a
better view of the concert just hop on my shoulder there i will you know we're i like that yeah
thank you i just pinned a tweet to the top and um i don't know what you're using to view what
you're looking at right now but make sure that
you're looking at it as total global liquidity not just the cash on hand right there okay i'm
gonna take a look at this dude this is interesting yeah i'm gonna have to like take a read on this
because this is very interesting here so So, yeah, so, like, technically more money printed,
higher price for Bitcoin.
But the thing is, it's so interesting, right?
Like, how in tune is the market really, right?
You know what I mean?
Like, that's the thing I always kind of wonder,
but I never really, like, looked into it.
Like, let's say they print, you know, I don't know,
it's an extra 5% of the money supply, right?
Does the price of like something like, let's say Bitcoin relate to that?
Or does it just kind of randomly have some price action and it's really like not correlated?
Or like, does it get correlated?
You know what I mean?
It's interesting to see how that plays out.
But I see you got your hand up, Santa.
What do you think of all this? I i'm sorry i was turning off the treadmill like what were you asking like
right then about like global money or like us oh yeah yeah so i was basically just like let's say
the us for example right you know uh but but even even yeah like even global money i suppose because
yeah like bitcoin's traded everywhere so yeah i guess technically like let's say global
money supply increases five percent right it's like you know and people are tracking that like
okay we know how much money how much extra money is in circulation now right um does that actually
do do we usually see like the the investors that the buyers of like let's say bitcoin are savvy enough to know
oh the money supply went up five percent price of bitcoin should be going up five percent or
something you know is there some correlation or one percent or something like that you know it
kind of makes me wonder because we always talk about how like you know bitcoin kind of almost
like absorbs inflation in a way right but like at the same time is it really in a quantifiable way
right or is it just sort of random based on like oh people are bullish now they're just buying
right like i don't know it's it's does what i'm asking make sense you know yes and like what i
was thinking like um is the spread so like you have like the 0.1% and the 1% who want to
accumulate as much as they can. It's a finite supply, right? And we've already deemed it to
be worthy of our attention, like globally. So like, I mean, Venezuela was using Bitcoin with
their dollar or whatever it all was, their fiat went to shut. So like, you know, um, we got the 0.1% buying this shit up, shaking us out, buying it up, shaking us out, buying it up, launching coins, shaking us out, buying it up, any kind of crypto.
But, like, I think it's more so Bitcoin.
And Ethereum.
Like, I mean, Ethereum really is, like, lagging, but not for long, I don't think.
I've actually upped my
bias on that but like we do have to also prepare for china to take over
in the west like i mean we just have to
and you sound chinese you sound chinese all of a sudden the whole whole lot
whole lie. Me over here in
me over here in texans i don't think anyone is
Texas, I don't think anyone is
prepared.
I don't think they can.
The only thing they can do with Asian is
count in Japanese. So it's
ishi ni sanyanguro
nishash ku ju.
That's all I can do.
In Japan.
Yeah, that's all I can do too.
I remember it from karate back then.
You said it way better.
They teach you.
Oh yeah, karate. I remember it from karate back then. You're right. It was karate. You said it way better. They teach you. Hell yeah.
Karate taught me.
I remember as well.
Fuck yeah.
Fuck yeah.
Look at that karate legends up here.
We'll kick some ass.
They don't want to mess around with us because they know we will kick some ass.
Mr. Karate space.
The karate.
Oh my God.
That's amazing.
Mr. Karate. I got that judo ando and jujitsu in there as well i'll sweep you right off your feet and then put you in a hole watch it you'd probably kick my ass i got that but like
i'd like to give you a try as a friend you can teach me some things oh yeah it's been a while
santa it's been a while however um back in
the day when i was doing uh the martial arts there was uh i did a couple of a few different
tournaments and at one tournament um you know i fought i fought another girl and i won that fight
and then apparently so one of the other girls i was supposed to fight apparently um just forfeited
just didn't even want to fight no she forfeited
i was like holy shit what when when does this happen so it was really funny i hadn't really
experienced that before uh because i was you know always the short person obviously at school
and got made fun of for being so short and everything so um yes that was a powerful moment
that's pretty powerful it's like somebody was in the locker room with the girl that was supposed to go,
and she's like, you don't want to mess with Cynthia.
You don't want to know what she did to the last girl.
And then it's like, oh, fuck, I'm going to forfeit.
I mean, I think she was watching the fight, right?
But yeah, it was really funny.
It was just like that.
I was like, holy shit, what?
Did you have crazy eyes during the fight?
Were your eyes like? I don't think so. No, I don't like that. I was like, holy shit, what? Did you have crazy eyes during the fight? Were your eyes like...
I don't think so.
No, I don't think so.
I don't believe I have the crazy eyes.
I just won the fight.
I don't know.
It was a long time ago.
That's awesome.
Good for you, though.
Seriously.
Cynthia ripped off that woman's arm and then choked her with it.
That's crazy.
You know what it kind of looked like?
I mean, it was sort of like Walker's PFT there with the hand hanging off she was grabbing onto my my belt and
um it was just had her had her hand my belt there sorry a charm bracelet like arms and hands and stuff. Yeah. Just add them. Charm bracelet?
That's too funny.
Charm belt in this case.
Yeah.
That's badass that you choke somebody out with your belt.
I always thought that was a sick move, you know, to, like, use the belt, you know.
Is that legal?
Very clever.
I swear it's, like, legal.
Yeah.
I think it's, like, you can, yeah. Yeah. I think you can do do that i think you can do that yeah you can't think of it what's that you can't take it
while it's tied on you yeah yeah there you go see you loosen it up like oh damn but you can do it
you can do it with your lapel as well, which is easier because it's always on you.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah, that's so true.
That's right.
And it's kind of crazy because, like, BJJ, like,
it's so fucking crazy, but, like,
it almost, like, teaches you that, like,
people's jackets or, like, their clothes are basically, like, you can use that against them.
And it's like, right?
Yeah.
Dude, there's a gal.
Yeah, t's a gal
Hoodies to hoodies for bow and arrows and I'm baseballs and all
Attached if the hoodies are that's a joke Yeah, it's really like you have the head control right over the top of their ox but every single time
Poster broken game over
Also think about the little pouch in the front.
Good for your heels.
No proper hooks because then you smash yourself,
but heels would be all right.
Wait, what pouch?
Pouch.
Oh, the pouch.
Okay.
Hello, Santa.
Hey, yeah, sorry.
That was my fault.
No, you're good, mate.
How are you?
Good.
So how do you use the pouch?
Seriously, what'd you say?
Well, it was a joke, but like you could put your foot in it.
And what hooks are is when you're behind somebody and you use your feet to maintain control of somebody's back.
You use your heels, the back of your head.
No, I get it.
I can see it.
That's right.
Heels are better because if you use the front, then they turn,
and then you can hurt your little pinky.
Oh, man.
Probably all the tendons in your foot,
but mostly the pinky may suffer irreparable damage.
Irreparable reputational damage.
It's got the irreparable damage and irreparable and
reputational damage
and irreparable
pediatral
damage.
Your foot will hurt, okay?
Is it the one where you carry the jubies at?
That's right.
You know what I always wish that they had?
You know what I always wish they had was like, you know,
fucking suits or something like that. Suits that suits that are like you know they look like a normal
business suit but they're kind of like you know maybe like i don't know like a yoga pant or
something like that where you could actually so like if you're on the street you could get into
a fight that thing is gonna like and then you're just gonna get up you're gonna look fresh as fuck
you know it's called an ex suit i've been waiting to get one for a while.
Yeah, they're like a few hundred bucks.
They're like some weird nylon fabric or whatever.
But yeah, it just springs back into shape.
So it looks pressed all the time and it's really flexible.
Like, yeah, I've been waiting to get one of those.
Not a sponsorship, not an endorsement.
Oh, that's a good point. Get a cheap suit and wear the thing underneath, right?
I think it's Brendan McCaffrey.
He does that where everybody goes to a thrift store
and they go and pick out suits
and they teach each other what it's like
to grab different types of material in fights,
but they basically just rip all those.
They just rip it all up, right?
Because you have to kind of go for it. Oh, it's great practice.
Oh, yeah.
That's awesome. That sounds like fun.
That's actually so sweet. I thought it would be really cool to do
one day. I'll go. I'll buy heaps
of suits. I'll just keep coming back.
I'm not going to be the I don't have clothes, guy.
I read...
I don't think this is mine.
Sorry.
You make your point. I'll say it after. I have no point. Sorry. Go ahead. No, sorry, you make your point.
I'll say it after.
I have no point.
So you go, please.
No, I just wanted to mention, Omni had mentioned that suit.
I saw a study not too long ago where they apparently tested different materials, like clothing materials.
And so they had people wear different types of materials and ask
them to do the same tasks so like lifting items and that kind of thing and testing people's strength
and it seems as though different materials affect people's essentially their strength and their
power so like synthetic materials actually decreased
people's strength uh whereas things like wool and linen uh increase their strength or at least
maximize their strength um so it's just interesting as you'd mention it's like a nylon suit or
whatever and i mean i'm pretty i in particular feel i'm sensitive to like polyester and shit
like that like but that's the majority of clothes
on the market though is they'll have like a percentage of polyester now right oh yeah for
sure yeah it's because part of it's yeah exactly fast fashion and that kind of stuff so i really
try to go with at least like cotton or something like that i only work out in cotton or silk
so i totally yeah i understand i only know like that so i can win if i went in
polyester there you go yeah there you go samson and don't cut that hair neither that's the spirit
absolutely
yeah i just thought it was interesting how uh different materials apparently affected people's
abilities and strength and that kind of thing. Because apparently they are on different, they basically emit different frequencies.
So yeah, just a little thing.
Nylons and polyesters can actually generate some very mild static charge from your body
hairs rubbing up against it too.
I feel like that's also one of those niche things that doesn't seem to affect you that
much, but it's water torture. It's drop, one of those niche things that doesn't seem to affect you that much, but it's, you know, it's water torture.
It's drop, drop, drop.
Oh, I mean, I definitely am affected by that.
If I don't, for example, like other people, like, I mean, I experience a lot of static, like electricity and static cling and stuff like that.
and stuff like that like I feel like more than the average person if I don't put uh like dryer
Like, I feel like more than the average person.
sheets or whatever into the dryer when I want when I um dry my clothes or anything there is like
great just like insane amount of static electricity and also uh like fucking sparks basically like
sparks flying off of me between the items and me um just when i'm grabbing them or especially if i were to
put them on and like take them off it's just insane where i'm just like holy shit so um some
people i think are have strange static electricity charges i have a friend who has like had weird
experiences as well so i think everyone's a little bit different but um definitely have experienced like strange strange things with with stuff like that that's actually very interesting i'm gonna have to be more cautious
about the fabrics that i pick uh especially you know when i'm uh you know in my professional
fighting career you know we're gonna set up the you know the the cyborgs fighting championship
there and you know santa and cynthia are going to be the absolute top dogs they're going to be
just the champions uh everyone's going to fear them right we're going to bring people into the
into the into the cage we're small but vicious oh you have to be careful no no no not me not me no
i can't go i can't go in there with that animal
it's actually funny because um i was in the ordinal show earlier tonight mystery had gone
into his class so he had missed it but i did you know we're talking about the zone the mystery
zone and the cyborgs a bit and that kind of thing and during during the space when mystery was still
there like he was we were just in the audience both of us chilling but um the guys in the ordinal show had talked for quite
quite length for for a while about um competitions between a variety you know of them and some of the
other guys in the space like good things and uh polymath and them and uh so they had talked about
these different competitions to have like push-ups and pull-ups and whatever else and when i got up
there one of the things i had said i was like oh i wish um i want to see some like mma fighting or jujitsu rolling
something like that more uh that would be fun so uh fun it's funny that we kind of like went full
circle and brought that back up tonight and you know what i mean mystery we're gonna have to set
up that uh you know the cyborgs uh fighters community and then we're gonna have to challenge
the ordinal show to uh to fight that's right we're gonna make we're gonna make uh you know leo
trevor yawn uh we're gonna make them cry all of them are just gonna be crying they're our sister
show would you believe it or not i mean we do we are seven days a week and they're only two days a
week uh you know not to mention some other small factors, which we won't get into.
It's totally fine.
But yeah, I think at this point they're our sister show, considering, you know, we're at episode 203.
And I don't know, you know, even over two years, if you're doing two episodes a week, I mean, you would maybe have some.
I mean, you would maybe have some, what is it?
What is it?
You'd have probably about the same amount of episodes
if you were doing them two days every week religiously
and like not skipping any days kind of thing.
Because there's 52 weeks in a year, right?
So you've got 104 shows.
So, you know, and that's only if you didn't skip any,
which I think they have skipped some.
I think they have skipped, yeah.
We may have had more shows than the Ordinal show.
Holy shit.
Look at that.
We've had more shows than the Ordinal show.
And it's also, I was actually thinking about that too.
I was kind of wondering like, you know,
one of these days I got to look at it, right?
In the beginning, I kind of was like tracking.
I was like, all right, how many listeners did this episode get?
How many did this get?
And then like, I think somewhere around like 70 or maybe 60 or something, I kind of stopped.
So I got a bit of catching up to do now, right?
But, like, I mean, some of these episodes, many, like, probably most of them have been, you know, two hours, right?
Maybe some of them have been, like, you know, one and a half, one hour, something like that.
Then we've had some of those, like, four-hour bangers where it just keeps going forever and i'm like oh my god
it's 4am i need to still you know finish drawing because i can't draw during the show all the time
because it's just we're chatting oh i think i think we was that an accident mystery i think
you hit me you're trying to laugh i think i was trying to laugh, but I muted everybody.
So, yeah, we've had some really long ones as well.
I think one time it was even longer than that, but we've had some really long, great spaces as well.
Sometimes they're short and sweet.
Sometimes they're just long like crazy. But every single time we have a good time and we have great people, both in the audience and on stage, and really great discussions and lots of fun.
Yeah. Right? Isn that's the craziest thing and it's just like you know yeah we've had like
those four hour bangers some two three hour bangers right and so it's kind of like you know
if if you think of it like i mean let's say they were all two that's i would say that's the average
like most nights we're at we're however tonight tonight we're at two and a half hours.
Just over two and a half hours already.
Oh, shit. Wow, that's crazy.
We've had a lot going through this time lately, I would say.
Actually, yeah, I've got to bounce.
I've got to do his faces in the morning.
It's good to see you guys, but I just realized what time it is.
Cheers.
Good night, y'all.
Thanks for coming, Omnid.
We love keeping y'all up all night long.
Thanks for coming, we love keeping y'all up all night long thanks for coming on it always great to see you and have you have you with us yeah it's an absolute pleasure having you with us appreciate you coming to vibe out with us and
my god that would be like 406 hours of each episode like don't they say mastery is like
a thousand hours i think it's 10 000 but you But, you know, I think for spaces, I think we're there already considering.
Between the Mystery Zone and all the other spaces we've both, you know,
been in and hosted and co-hosted and all that kind of stuff.
Yeah, I mean, I don't even want to know how many hours I've spent in spaces
and on Clubhouse.
Natalie can attest to the Clubhouse hours as well.
We were on there 24 7 uh like crazy so
um yeah it's been a lot of hours uh just in spaces in clubhouse holy shit
yeah that's true and like i don't even want to think about all the hours in the fucking
other spaces i've been into right like even oh just puppet spaces and the wasi spaces i need to do like santa does
i need to get a treadmill and just like one of those walking um things walking pads and uh get
on that thing during the show uh that would be smart honestly it's gonna piss people off i only
have it on now because you said that i've been jumping off to talk because like i don't want
to piss you guys off like because of the background noise but like yeah i mean i'm been jumping off to talk because, like, I don't want to piss you guys off. Like, because of the background noise.
But, like, if the piss is jumping off
and on, that's fine, too, right?
Yeah.
You know, that's what helps, whichever.
It would still be something.
It would be better than sitting around
and not being on the walking pad.
You can hear those.
You can do different stuff.
Yeah, like, it's true.
Yeah.
And I don't even hear the thing.
All right, say now.
I can hear it. I can hear it.
I can hear it.
But it's not like, you know, it's not, it's not like offensively loud or anything like that.
Like, you know, there's been other background noises people have had where you're like,
ah, I can't hear you, or it's just way too loud.
You know, if anything, you know what it sounds like?
It sounds like, almost like crickets.
You know, like when you're It sounds like, um, not almost like crickets, uh, out in,
you know, like when you're out in the, out in the wilderness there, right. You hear them in the distance kind of. Right. And so, uh, I, I don't know, for some reason I thought I was hearing,
like, you know, when walkers outside sometimes, maybe you need your hearing check, just a little
mystery. It doesn't sound like it's not super loud. I might have to, I might have a, I have
access to an elliptical machine, though,
so maybe one night I'll have to try that out
and see if it's too loud for the space.
I don't know.
We've got to normalize.
You can't work out and do that at the same time.
I've got to get out of breath here.
I'm doing it again.
Seriously, ellipticals, they're silent almost.
I've got two of them.
I don't use them anymore.
I'd probably get a cramp. Honestly, I'd probably get a cramp but that's fine you know it just means i gotta get
in better shape well you know that's that's it's interesting right because it's kind of like
um yeah fucking walking is actually pretty sweet like i mean i do this uh like you mentioned my
class there i do like this kind of cardio uh every couple nights and it's like
you know i don't know i'll fucking i'll have a little heart rate thing and it's like you know
whatever like 800 calories or something like that uh for from running probably for like close to an
hour maybe 50 minutes to an hour uh but then like i think i think i remember like when i when i walk
i haven't like done in a while.
But, like, because usually I'm just doing the running cardio now.
But, like, I used to just go for these walks.
And I would, like, wear that thing just to see, like, what's the heart rate, all that stuff.
And I was surprised to find that, like, usually the walks were almost, like, half of what the running was.
So, like, maybe just a little less than half.
Right?
So, I was like, like okay that's not bad like you know if you fucking you know just you walk to get your your
to burn your calories or you run it's like you just have to walk a little extra it's better in
the long term for your joints and everything too yeah yeah that's what i've heard as well right so
i mean i i feel like that's like let's normalize walking on the
treadmill in the spaces and stuff like that what's better than even that is training water if you can
get to the point where you can literally just tread water for five minutes dude that there's no
worse cardio than that or best cardio i ever want to look at it there's a reason why the navy seals
tread water for hours a day type deal yeah dude they're freezing they're about to die
i think it's kind of different i've always wanted to try that i've wanted to try that
the heart well yeah hypothermia you know like those guys those polar bears they call themselves
just a group of people that jump into like freezing water.
Like that would be fucking wild.
Do you really want to try it?
Sorry.
No, it's okay.
I do.
I do want to try it.
I just saw the other day in the last like few days, something about how that kind of
the ice water type of thing is different for men and women.
And it's like worse for women, essentially. Like it affects our systems in a different way different for men and women and it's like worse for women essentially uh like it affects
our systems in a different way than for men and um so yeah just real quick this too oh i thought
that was uh kind of interesting which i'm not surprised about at all but um just a note for
we have a few ladies in the space tonight which is always nice shout out to the women in the space
we absolutely love the queens the legends and we also love the kings just an absolute legendary
audience we got here and that's what you love to see right um you know cynthia absolutely killing
it in the spaces i mean she was in that ordinals show space and just crushing it up there, making those guys look like absolute fucking dumpster.
Oh, my gosh.
That wasn't my intention, really.
Let me know next time you hear there.
Also, probably Natalie might want to jump.
I don't know.
If we're free, they're like, I mean, I'll jump in with you.
Depends on what they're saying.
Hell, yeah.
Yeah.
See, that's what it's all about right the
teamwork the camaraderie uh you know people vibing with people and uh that's just how we
like to do it out here and my god it's it's just impressive and a privilege to be here
with each and every single one of you but you know what though that nine to five is a call in
me so maybe we'll go around the room here we'll do a last little you know what do you think of this and then uh
well we'll close out the space so what do you what do you think of all this santa
you can pull me up when i got back on the treadmill you guys know it but no seriously
like the treadmill is great um i jump off usually if i'm like going to come up and speak i will jump off now because
like people like this so my bestie comes in she's like it's like a vibrator and i'm like no it's
not a vibrator it's not a vibrator but like no like but it's not um so but like really okay so
markets um i think we are very uncertain because of trump. He's doing all kinds of shit.
We have like the world.
What was it today?
The world something day.
What was this?
Oh, I heard it was World Riding.
Liberation Day.
Yeah, it's Riding for Us Day.
I feel like this should be Riding for Us.
So we're riding horses today.
And we have a 34% tariff on China.
And 20% on Canada, not to mention others, which some aren't even even, by the way.
So like, it's like, you know, there's 100% from a different country and like we have like 10%. It's like, hmm, how's that working out?
But like, really what he's going to do, he's going to take over Canada.
He's going to take over Greenland.
Probably not by force. He's going to take over canada he's going to take over um greenland probably not by force he's going to force them out and then he's going to probably run for a third term because he was
questioned about that and he was like he didn't say no that's the thing he did not say no so many
questioned him and he was like basically i don't know but like he said something like more eloquent but like he really
like was like no i'm not gonna say no to that so trump's gonna be around for a while
get used to it then we have china take me over
like i mean i don't know how it's gonna happen if it's a world war or whatever else but like
china is going to take over i've been saying this for 10 years it's not me saying it it's a world war or whatever else, but, like, China is going to take over. I've been saying this for 10 years.
It's not me saying it.
It's, like, people I listen to who are fucking smart as shit.
And I will give you guys every fucking resource I have. I'm not saying, like, I'm a billionaire or something else.
But, like, China is going to take over.
The U.S.
Not really the U.S. in particular,
but it's going to be the reserve currency, right?
So, and they have the best robotics.
They have the best tech.
They have everything.
And they're also a dictatorship.
And they have concentration camps, which suck for Uyghur Muslims.
So, we've got some shit to deal with.
And I am working on it.
Let me just get off of this.
But we've got some stuff to deal with guys
but i do think this year this year look i bought four study teddies and had a wait list for one
now that's weird for me because i've not been degening for a while i was like yeah let me
throw two thousand dollars or more at this shit and i'm like they
have a great community i mean i've been watching it i know people in it i feel pretty bullish about
it you know i'm dg'ing a little bit but like get some commodities um get some oil which is commodity
but like you know oil specifically um get some china stuff once the market dumps.
Real estate, foreclosures, if you have cash, foreclosures when they come out, like, I mean, it's going to be like next year.
If World War III would happen or China does take over, there is nothing that means that they have to acknowledge any shares that a United States citizen owns in a Chinese company.
Just know that if you go buy a lot of Chinese. That's a good point.
Yeah.
There's nothing that, yeah.
So I am of the opinion that Uncle Sam is anywhere from 40 to 150 years more advanced
than the public is at any given point.
And that it was.
Uncle Sam?
Yeah. Uncle Sam is a nickname given to yeah um and that uh you know it was indeed the west who gave the technology to japan
to commence the manchurian massacre and know, blew them back 250 years behind everybody.
So, you know, quantum physics, you know, plonk and everything happened in America.
I think some of the smartest people I've been.
That all happened here. Nobody else helped.
And we can't even justify this right now.
I think some of the smartest people play stupid.
And oftentimes it's for the better not to show people all the fun toys that you have.
Because then they could figure out ways to stop your fun toys.
And that's why we don't see them. So China, China's perspective, they flex a lot of their their fun toys as a way to show how advanced that they are.
And that's why we don't see them.
So China's opposite perspective.
But again, I think some of the smartest people don't.
If you look at the fall of empires and how things like rotate, China is next. We are not.
well i mean i know we're closing out and i don't want to keep the conversation going but uh
china has had a one baby policy since 1974 and they're they're cooked they're they're in
depopulation they're cooked india is next yeah that's kind of what i've heard actually um
because like that's kind of what i've been been actually. Because that's kind of what I've been hearing as well.
India is on the come up.
India is on the come up.
Yeah.
Population, yes.
And an interesting thing, too, about that depopulate.
Because I heard that the communists, they tried to micromanage everything,
but it's almost like they micromanaged too hard.
And it turns out they really needed that population.
Yeah, short term, it's probably a good bet, especially this year, You know, they micromanage too hard. And it turns out they really need that population.
Yeah, short term, it's probably a good bet, especially this year,
because they're printing money.
So I'll agree with you this year with all the money printing.
They're tossing tons of money into the economy right now,
but they have ghost cities.
They're cooked.
Short term, it's probably a great bet.
But get in and get out
just make sure you're out probably by the end of the year
maybe even by the end of
2025
maybe it's a couple years
since they have such a
it's over for China
it's over they're cooked
and it sounds like they need
you know how they have their minds set
on Thailand, right? They have great tech, though.
Yeah, Taiwan. They have great tech.
I can't argue with that. They're
showing fucking taxi drones that are flying.
They actually have, like, enough... What do you call it?
Yeah, sounds like they don't have enough
population to
actually, like, you know, take Taiwan
if they don't do it in the next
five years or something like that, right?wan if they don't do it in the next five years or something
like that right they're just gonna take five to ten years short term they're bullish short term
they are bullish i'm not gonna lie the next few years they are bullish
yeah and that's kind of interesting but at some point they're gonna make that
run for tai taiwan right and at that point, shit's going to be interesting, right?
Because, like, I heard Taiwan is, like, a fortress island
that's, like, it would be really hard to take.
So I could see that becoming almost like a, you know,
like an Afghanistan for fucking China, right?
A lot of fun.
They can do it.
Yeah.
So it's just interesting to think of, like, you know,
is it true that, like, okay, their population is kind of in trouble. So they have to strike within the next five or 10 years, whatever, before the population could no longer like support building a military that could could take over things. Right. But yeah, yeah. And another thing, though, is that like drones are now such a big part of the military that's kind of like do you really need physical yeah like do you really need physical soldiers i've even heard
that drones can like take down uh aircraft carriers now one thing you're gonna have to
pay attention to is energy and then it's gonna clearly be ai and and then it's gonna be
microchips uh these are things we're to have to pay attention to going forward here.
And then it's going to be robotics.
The foundation of the area for that.
Well, people in China are microchips.
Huh?
Most people in China are microchips.
They work for a prominent company.
They have been for years.
Yeah, I'm not going to disagree with that.
But you're talking like the manufacturing of the microchips,
chips, Mark?
No, I'm saying watch it.
Watch the countries that are pumping out microchips,
the countries that have the most energy and the cheapest energy
and are pumping out the most and cheapest energy,
the countries that are pumping out the largest amount of ai server warehouses
these are the things and then it's going to end up being robotic china right now is showing
huge improvements i mean we just seen a video uh in the past what 48 hours 72 hours of them doing uh
taxis that like hover and fly like helicopter taxis. That's amazing.
You know, autonomous ones. That's super cool. And that is impressive. And that is like, yo,
they're getting ahead of us. Um, but they're going, if their population is collapsing,
um, we have an opportunity to, uh, move move very fast on this but also we need to
make our energy very cheap in order to get ahead of this yeah that's very fucking interesting man
like and and that's kind of that's a very interesting point there too and and as well
i heard that taiwan is like the number one producer of like,
they produce the best microchips, like the second best microchips are just like,
not, yeah, semiconductors and whatnot. Right. And they're just like,
they're not there.
They're like worlds ahead as far as like the tech that they have.
And so like if, if China got that or whatever, right.
Or took Thailand, Taiwan and got ahold of that,
it could be like pretty bad for the west
yeah quite literally i i worked at a facility outside of austin texas called applied materials
and i literally with my hands built the silicone wafer chambers that would then get shipped to Taiwan.
So the real supply...
No, I built them in another way.
And the real kind of chain on this...
So what I'm trying to say is, guys,
Taiwan is where they turn the machines on,
but they build the machines in Texas.
And then they ship them.
They've been built, so they could theoretically, you could just turn it on in Texas.
No, no, no.
We then ship it to Taiwan, and then they turn it on in Taiwan.
Question mark there to me. TSMC has their chips in everything from American microwaves to Chinese missile defense systems. and um this is the i i get the narrative from where you know taiwan's this big chip but we're we're building and manufacturing and and exporting the actual wafer chambers because i don't know
how like when you build a silicon wafer chip you have to do it under pressure to be able to uh to design the layers
of everything the right way and fabricate the layers excuse so um i really don't understand
then why we're doing this if like i don't understand really any of it from from the
current narratives it's by business really you're it from the current narratives. It's bad business, really.
You're building something other people are selling.
It's bad business.
Not you.
Like you're hired to build, right?
Bad business.
Or that's what I'm saying.
Again, so here's another example in history where I don't think that this is like a bad business example.
I don't think that this is like a bad business example.
So like, do you know how much we sold or Russia sold Alaska to America for?
Question mark, right?
Do you know what service Russia gave to America during the Civil War?
Question.
Russian. Russia fought on the side of the north and gave their naval ships to the north to help
Russia.
Please tell us.
a blockade against the south. So it was Russian naval ships blockading the southern states.
And then upon winning the war, the north owed russia seven million dollars so then
russia said i want seven million bucks america said i want alaska a russia gate
quote-unquote sold us alaska for seven million dollars and like that's how historians will say
that's the narrative that is not what the fuck happened um yeah we don't own it like that's how historians will say that's the narrative that is not what
the fuck happened um yeah we don't own it though that's the thing yeah i'm pretty sure we own it
santa um well we're going to own it i was thinking in canada i'm so sorry yeah we do in alaska so
this whole time i'm thinking about canada i I was like, what is he talking about? Like, is he crazy? Sorry.
So sorry.
Yeah.
So I think the same narrative, the same theme where you see these reasons that are told for why it's happening.
And I love this Neil deGrasse Tyson quotes.
We know enough to think we're right, but not enough to know that we're wrong.
And I think that we'll end up seeing some reasons play out for why and how these things have gone down, because by no means do I believe that we are completely just having a business-oriented relationship where they're buying something and that's not what's going on.
The same way with Alaska and Russia and this deal.
That's not what was going on.
There were other factors at play, and I don't think that we've all been made privy to what they are right now.
Oh, man, that's actually incredible.
I love this discussion.
It's been so fucking, so such a banger. I've just been enjoying listening and, you know, it's piping up when I can
and, uh, just hearing from the best of the best. And, uh, these perspectives are what it's all
about. You know, I feel like everyone in this room, uh, has, there's a lot more, you know,
a lot more knowledge, uh, is walking away from this with a better take, right. Uh, a lot more, you know, a lot more knowledge, is walking away from this with a better take, right?
A little more informed, right?
And, well, I know I'm better off for vibing with each and every single one of you.
What do you think about this, Cynthia?
What do you think about all this?
As always, a really fun, informative space.
We had a lot of discussion about, you know, quite a variety of topics,
you know, going from blockchain and art to basically like international politics,
international relations here, which is really cool. I mean, it all, you know, as I always have
said, you know, politics does run the world and people who are like, oh, politics and dumb is like,
you know, that's a very privileged thing to say when you can just ignore the state of what's going on and the state of the world, the state of politics, because really politics, you know, whether you like it or not, it really is the underlying fabric of a lot of society and the way things develop and happen in society at large.
and happen in society at large.
So I definitely appreciate having all the legends here
be willing to get into such discussions
that some people aren't even willing to enter into,
maybe aren't mature enough necessarily to handle
with dignity and respect towards one another.
So yeah, shout out to everyone here
for being able to keep such a wonderful level-headed discussion,
even when there may be disagreements,
but everyone's been really cool and respectful.
So shout out to everyone for that.
Love to see it and really happy that we're able to facilitate
that kind of space here for everyone.
And always encourage, you know, the difficult discussions,
encourage having those because they're really important
and they're the things that help us move forward,
help us understand each other's positions and hopefully help us, you know, create a better place in the
world, better world in general. Definitely important stuff happening. So awesome to have
familiar faces and new faces as well joining us tonight. So yeah, thank you to everyone for your amazing contributions
and your wonderful viewpoints.
Seeing, you know, a ton of just absolute great people
in the audience and again, some new people.
So happy to have you all here.
Shout out to Mr. E for holding it down all the time
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i didn't miss anything mystery is there anything i usually say that i miss i don't know but
always happy to be here with you guys no you absolutely you're absolutely crushing it out
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There's your heart screaming at you, right?
Get the cyborgs, get your cyborgs.
And you're like, oh, do I listen?
I hear the heart screaming, just absolutely screaming for cyborgs.
It's absolutely screaming for the cyborgs.
And you got to listen when it does that.
So follow us, follow the speakers,
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That's just what it's all about.
And so,
you know,
this has been another incredible episode of the mystery zone.
You know,
203 episodes in a row.
We do this every single night.
We absolutely love it.
And well, it's always the best time vibing with do this every single night. We absolutely love it. And well,
it's always the best time vibing with each and every single one of you. And just remember,
if you're not bullish on yourself, you don't have to be. All you have to do is believe in me,
believe in Cynthia, believe in 92, believe in Walker, believe in jare believing in you and my god there's nothing
you cannot achieve and uh well whether it's five o'clock somewhere 4 20 somewhere morning evening
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