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The new face of DePIN: Real-World Impact or Overhyped?
Recorded: Aug. 19, 2025 Duration: 1:01:14Space Recording
Short Summary
The conversation explored the emerging trends in decentralized physical infrastructure networks (DePIN), highlighting their real-world impact and growth in adoption across various sectors. Participants discussed how these technologies are addressing connectivity issues, fostering partnerships, and driving sustainable solutions in communities worldwide.
Full Transcription
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. . All right.
Yes, that we are ready.
Let's try the microphones of our speakers.
Dr. Cao, how are you, my friend?
Hello, hello.
How are you?
All good.
Thank you so much.
How is it going in China? What time is now? friend hello hello how are you all good thank you so much how's it goes and uh how it's going
in china what time is now it's uh i guess 11 11 p.m right uh yeah you can call me eric
oh no yeah yeah i know but uh i ask what time is in china right now? It's 11 p.m. right?
It's 11 p.m. right now.
Okay, a little bit late. Thank you. Thank you for joining us.
Also, we have here Ali. How are you, Ali?
Hi, everyone. Can you hear me? Glad to be with you once again, guys.
Greetings from Mexico. hear me glad to be with you once again guys and greetings from mexico uh yeah welcome mali
welcome from mexico let's uh try again the microphone uh vishal are you here with us
hello jim jim louis can you hear me oh yeah now i can you. I guess that everybody can hear you now. Thank you so much.
And okay, we're waiting more speakers, but I guess that we can start. And if they join us,
then they will talk with us about this topic, the new phase of TPE, real world impact or overhype. Well, hello everybody and thank you for joining us today.
I'm really excited to see you here.
Some familiar faces and new members across the Web3 communities.
Thank you so much.
And also to all of you guys, the speaker, ambassadors, experts,
that you are going to share your feedback about deep in. So
well, first of all, I'd like to present myself. I am Luis Ramirez. Actually, I'm
a chef crew officer at Care Foundation. And together
with our ambassadors, we're going to have
a big topic today. Each of you
plays a key role in bringing local communities into this conversation.
So thank you. Thank you for being here.
Today's topic is, as I mentioned already, the new phase of step-in, real-world impact or all-world hype.
So before we start this conversation, I'd like to talk a little bit about this topic,
give my feedback, and also start with the feedback of our ambassadors.
So what is DIPIN?
It's decentralized physical infrastructure networks
that we can define just like blockchain-powered networks
that incentivize communities to build and operate real world infrastructure.
This could be like, for example, energy grids, wireless connectivity, mobility, sensor networks,
infrastructure that you can participate and also you provide the power of this infrastructure.
I'm going to tell you, for example,
maybe you have heard about Helium,
the decentralized wireless network.
I like this technology because you can have one access point of Helium
and you can take the internet to any place where you go.
And the people that use this device
that connects to your hotspot
they are gaining eHNT tokens this is the way it works basically helium is one of part of the main
dipping projects around but also i like to mention one i would say local uh local technology uh because uh i guess
almost all of you guys that understand the blockchain and crypto ecosystem have heard about
filecoin it's uh something pretty well known around the world, a decentralized storage network built atop IPFS. And why I said
that kind of local infrastructure, because the founder is Mexican, Juan Bennett, he was born in
Mexico, but he moved to US and he completes his studies. And also he created the initial technology of IPFS and Filecoin.
So this is interesting because in Filecoin you can basically use the storage, retrieve,
verify data with cryptographic proof, create a peer-to-peer alternative to traditional
cloud storage.
Really interesting and powerful technology and we have different other platforms that are part of this interesting topic, the topic that
we're going to talk today, the depth in. But let's start. I see more speakers, so let's start
with the first question. And also, before you answer the first question, guys, I like that you can introduce yourself to the audience and let us know more about you.
Let's start with the first question, what the real world problems is that we're actually solving today.
And ladies first, we have here Ali.
Ali, welcome.
Can you introduce yourself to the audience?
Sure, Luis.
Thank you very much also for the introduction about the topic we are going to talk about today.
Hi everyone, this is Ale, I'm senior ambassador and I'm currently based in Mexico, specifically in a city called Puebla.
in Mexico, specifically in a city called Puebla.
But well, yeah, actually talking about the real world problems
that DEPIN is actually solving today,
I could say, for example, specifically from Latam Vision.
Right now we are seeing that depping step in where centralized infrastructure falls
short. And for example, as you were talking about this example, Elio, community-powered wireless networks today are bringing 5G and IoT coverage to place like big telcos or these internet network services.
storage is already being used by projects in AI and Web3 because it's cheaper and censorship
resistant, I think. And in compute networks are unlocking the power for creators and developers
too. So I think it's not just future use cases. It's currently happening, but these are real gaps that still Deppin is already filling right now.
Interesting.
Something you mentioned, and I want to complement this, about Helium that now offers 5G.
And since the conception of Helium, they started with LoRa 1,
that it's basically a low power infrastructure.
And at the beginning, it was not possible to connect to another kind of networks.
But yes, recently they support 5G,
and this is really powerful because more users can access
to this infrastructure, and it's really easy.
You know, your devices, all the devices that we use
are compatible with 3G, 4G, 5G,
and having a really high speed and high bandwidth infrastructure, it's really something good for the global population.
I guess this is the real impact of DPI projects.
Thank you so much.
Oh, yeah.
You want to share something else?
Yeah.
Also complement with another example, talking about Wiru Network, which it's very interesting the way they try to provide wi-fi to
underserved areas specifically and for by letting for example anyone turn a regular router into a
hot spot and at the same time they get rewarded So this is also a way to provide this basic service that is Internet.
But at the same time, it's decentralized and empowered by the community.
So that's only the one thing I just wanted to add.
Yeah, well, this is a really awesome, nice project.
Thank you for sharing the name on the example
how this project is helping the community
to enter into Depey infrastructure.
Thank you, Ale.
Let's jump now with, oh yeah, ladies first, Sharania you here yes yes thank you hey welcome okay can you
please introduce yourself i guess this is the first time that you speak with us in this kind
of ama events with ambassadors right yes yes it's my first time okay welcome thank you so much yeah go ahead hi everyone i'm sharanya ambassador at
water network i'm passionate about exploring web 3 and emerging technologies and i also create
content with coin dcx to make crypto simple and engaging for the Indian community. So looking forward to an exciting discussion ahead.
All right. Yeah, thank you, Sharania.
So how do you see in India this kind of projects, Deppin?
Do you think that Deppin is actually solving a problem today in India
or is it only about some nice concepts in the web ecosystem?
I think in India, Deepin is tackling the last mile connectivity gap.
Even though internet is cheap here, but still rural and remote regions often don't get reliable access.
often don't get reliable access and deep end models allow communities to set up
their own infrastructure whether that's internet hotspots or solar powered
nodes or shared hardware I would also say a good example from India is the
Daba network which enables the locals to build Wi-Fi access points and earn incentives.
And I guess this shows Deepin's real-world impact in bridging the connectivity gaps in India.
Interesting. Okay. Thank you for sharing this perspective on what is happening. How do you
see the Deepin in India? We have here, Vishal, maybe you can share and complement, how do you see the DepeIn? In India, we have here Vishal,
maybe you can share and compliment.
How do you see in India,
how is it the DepeIn infrastructure gaining more traction?
Yeah, so first of all,
thank you so much for having me here.
Sharanya Roy covered very well
about how DepeIn is working in India locally. So let me cover the, how the how Deepin is working in India locally.
So let's me cover how Deepin is working in worldwide.
Deepin is genuinely tackling some big infrastructure gaps.
But let's be honest about what's working versus what's still early.
Take the common example like Helium. They have built with massive IoT network where people can earn crypto for running
hotspots. The real world impact would be like companies like Lime Scooters actually use it
for tracking. That's solving the last mile connectivity problem that traditional telecoms
ignored because it wasn't profitable enough right if i talked about another example
like render network is another a solid example it's democratizing access to gpu computing power
instead of small studios paying aws crazy prices for 3d rendering they they can tap into the ideal
gaming rigs worldwide that's solving the real cost and
i think there are dozens of projects that are basically like uber but with tokens uh without
actually improving the you know underlying service and the real winners are solving genuine
infrastructure bottlenecks not just adding crypto to existing models and all.
So yeah, this is my take about how Dipping is working in real world.
Thank you, Vishal. Rendered Network is also a really well-known project on this side of the
planets. Absolutely decentralized in the GPU, compute compute power and the developing world thank you so much bishol let's jump to china uh let's see
with dr khao what's your opinion about this uh sure sure thank you uh yeah so um i i do agree with
I do agree with those, like you talk about the decentralized storage computing, like the
finite network, right? So you can provide the computing power and you can, I think it's a very
good example and real application. Just like AWS, it's centralized and it's quite expensive if all of us
can contribute and if we can provide our computing power and make it decentralized.
And I think FNA Network already released their surveys and I even tried that already.
network already released their surveys and I even tried that
already. And also the decentralized storage solution,
right, IPFS and FireCoin, this kind of protocol. And I believe
like the Vara network with infrastructure also have the
potential in the future to support the dApps and provide those kind of service.
But one real world application I really,
like I personally I'm passionate about
is a decentralized service for the AI part.
And there's a protocol called,
I think it's called BitTensor. What they did is
they actually provide the service for the AI training. Now I think AI is super popular and
popular and one of the restriction for the AI training is the GPU. And I think a lot
of our even personal computer, you may have some GPU, but if there those resources together to make a super power, like AI training infrastructure.
And I think that's actually quite useful for the companies, right, who always need the
power to train the latest version of the AI model.
And you need the AI compute training inference.
So this is really
uh one of the um the um application that we really need uh in the real life thank you
all right thank you so much i like a lot to have uh feedback from different people around the world
because in your case dr k. Cao, you are from China
and you mentioned something new into the conversation that maybe we all know, but it's
really important in China, the AI, centralizing the AI power. Of course, coming from China,
one of the biggest countries in this AI world, DeepSe seek this big uh technology solving problems but now
focusing on solve and this kind of problems in decentralized way where more users can be part of
this and also provide access to another and different users around the world really really
interesting thank you so much dr cow now thank
you thank you so much now let's jump to nigeria recently we started growing with our friends in
nigeria so let's uh uh have the space for crypto bull can you share us my friend what do you think
how do you see deep in in Nigeria
thank you very much Luis good to be here I'm Grupto Bo from Nigeria one of the ambassadors for VEA network and I'm super excited to be part of this AMA to discuss the future and what we are
facing about the deep in actually I'll say that deepening has quickly become one of the most
talked about narratives in web3 uh i we know that even at the moment some still call it the next
frontier of blockchain utility uh while others still see it as a just another a a buzzword. But pertaining to the question,
what real problem is DIPN actually solving today?
I would say that DIPN is actually tackling problems
that really hit a day in Africa
when considering the lack of access,
high cost and even broken system.
I would like to talk about the connectivity
because projects like decentralized Wi-Fi network high cost and even broken system. I would like to talk about the connectivity because a project
like decentralized wi-fi network are breaking affordable internet to especially the rural areas
where traditional telcos don't build. This is one of the things that one of the problems that
Deepin has actually solving and also considering the energy assets as well uh community power the
deep in grids actually let people uh in areas with the the unstable electricity uh solar power
locally so lighting homes and charging devices so in in in short uh deep in is solving everyday
challenges and we are so happy in africa that uh is is also making
a very big wealth in africa uh especially challenges like internet and power a trade even
and finance in ways that are very very scalable uh community driven and very very transparent
yeah thank you wow interesting this uh what you're sharing with us, Cryptable. Thank you. I have never been in
Africa. I just have read about how we see it to growing the blockchain technology. And now with
the Deppin, we have more context about the connectivity and how the people is helping
in this space with the Deppin infrastructure. Thank you so much. And this is related to our next
question because we're talking about the power of Deppin because individuals like people like you
and me, we are part of this technology. So I like to understand on different areas in the world if depping can scale sustainably without heavy
subsidies so let's start here um let me see maybe we can start with you my friend big kings
um okay um gmgm everyone my name is um b keynes and then i'm one of the um var i'm an africa
ambassador so it's so nice being here discussing about the um the pin um impacts and um trying
to do so as my partner see like it immediately gives us access like that's what um dp naturally
does because he said that he um
he has mentioned a list of places that um the pin actually give us access to because you know
africa is kind of um kind of lagging behind in um activities of the world but then we depend i think
we're actually leveraging on it to get to the front okay so one of the other one of the um
major aspect that we actually um leveraging on PIN to move forward is the agriculture part because what we lack is majorly access to all these things.
For then, this DIPIN is actually giving us access to be able to get what you actually need to be able to stay productive and also be part of the world and then like be more on the productive side.
So I think that's where I will stop for now.
When we have other questions, I'll be able to answer.
Thanks for the mic, Luis.
Thank you to you.
I would like to share something else to the information you just shared with us, my friend.
I think that is important to keep in mind, like actually different projects rely on token incentives
to bootstrap this kind of technology.
But I guess that is important to focus on long-term viability.
And this depends on like, for example,
real demand for the services, not just token speculation.
So it's interesting to talk about what projects in different countries
from different areas you are using or at least you know that exist
and they are providing a real use case, solving real problems
and not just using this information about token incentives
and not solving anything really uh yeah yeah
okay so um i didn't know that i was allowed to like mention about um project that actually does
this so one of them is um dimitractic so they are mainly based on agriculture so what you do is just
um give out um give access to um agriculture agricultural instruments and
funds and stuff like that so that it will help farmers to be more productive you know that um
farmers are the backbone of anything um food anything feeding in nation so they are majorly
based on that and they've been around for a very long while and though i'm not with them actually
but then i've been seeing how they have been like impacting people though it has not reached the grassroots not for for you to see them like around like to like to reach a high level impact then
they have to like be um be around for a very long time but then they've been making impact and then
they've been trying to like help um people do a web format like be as productive as possible so
i know it is like that's that's how the pain is it's not something
that you can actually like um go like that goes very very um that goes as fast as possible but
then you just have to like it is still easy um in process so it is something like this very very
slowly before the impact so that's why i believe that they've not been around that and i believe
that with your roadmap and then them having a long time
long time vision they can actually like skill and then like do something and then we can now
be seen in our communities but then they've been around supporting farmers because there's been
proof and stuff like that so i think that's one of the um projects that i've seen that actually
like implementing a very long time a very long time ago and actually doing the right thing. So I think that's it.
Nice, it makes sense. Agriculture is a new topic here. And I guess that's something really interesting when we talk in different regions because the use cases of the real product solving something
could be a little bit different depending on the region.
So thank you so much for sharing this information with us, my friend CryptoBull.
Let's jump again to Mexico with Ali.
What do you think about this, Ali?
Is this depping architecture or infrastructure can scale sustainably without heavy subsidies?
Or do you believe that there are another different ways?
Well, actually, I think that subsidized can kickstart adoption, but definitely they don't build loyalty or usability.
loyalty or usability. So I think what makes Depean sustainable is when it competes directly
with traditional services and whether that's offering cheaper storage than the cloud, for
example, or making computing power more accessible by tapping underused resources. The networks that last will be the ones where people stick around
because it solves a real pain point and not because they are chasing tokens or
having airdrops or something because they realized about their real problem solving. So I think even if a subsidized can empower or encourage
the creation of new solutions, I think also people
who are creating these use cases should not
forget the real problem. So once they realize about this problem,
even in a long term,
I think it can be sustainable.
Thank you, Ale.
I like this point that you shared with us
about solving real use cases,
competing against centralized technologies is a good starting.
I do agree with this and also this is a kind of conversation that I really love when we talk about
what blockchain can solve that the current technology wants to solve as it is because
the current technology wants solved as it is.
Because when we solve the problem in a decentralized way,
we provide more opportunities to the users
that are becoming part of this technology,
and not only to the owners of the technology.
I guess that this is a really interesting point.
Thank you, Ale, for sharing this.
We can be part also to the technology, not just using.
And when we are part of the technology,
we are also gaining from this business model.
Nice. Thank you. Thank you so much, Ali.
Let's jump again to in India with Sharanya.
Can you share your feedback about subsidies in the debt-paying world?
Well, I think in India yes but only if the model is community first. People here are very price
sensitive so if deep in projects can provide real savings or income like say
cheaper Wi-Fi or rewards for running nodes, then I think adoption can happen naturally.
And also, for example, UPI payments scaled without subsidies because it solved a pain
point instance, that is free payments.
So Deepin needs that kind of clear value.
And also subsidies can help kickstart, but real world utility is what will drive the
sustainability in Indiaia i think
love it really love this community first uh also i think this is the one of the more important
things to keep in mind when we are solving a problem with blockchain because it's not
a problem with blockchain because it's not the same way that you are building web2 products
where you focused on your users and solve the problem in this way we have something called
grow to community strategy that you start you think about this since the beginning or at least
you should because this is the difference when you create a gtm strategy uh you are not focusing
on the users but instead you're focusing on the community nice uh thank you so much sharon
and uh let's jump with our friends in nigeria cryptable what do you think about this
What do you think about this?
Thank you very much, Luis.
Actually, I would say Iseka Deepin really scales sustainably with that AV subsidies.
To me personally, I would say yes.
And believe me, Africa has really shown why.
Because Deepin works best when it's, what a chariah said uh deep in a really work works best when it is
this a community power and uh and and it's great real value uh not just subsidize good uh like
what happened in a so a solar powered microgrid built on a deep in uh it can really sustain themselves because users pay small fees for reliable electricity
uh it is very cheaper than other means of electricity like using the diesel and petrol
and it is very scalable without subsidies and even when we consider the connectivity as well
so decentralized wi-fi in the underserved towns uh really tribes because a
local is a ends tokens by sharing bandwidth and creating itself a sustaining a cycle of
access and reward and even when we consider logistics and agriculture as well like what
my brother said uh farmers using blockchain uh supply chain tools, don't just need subsidies.
When the system guarantees fairer prices and reduces middlemen,
they're saving themselves, drive also adoption.
In fact, Africa's vision is very, very clear.
As far as DIPN solve a real-world problem,
and believe me, it can pay for itself in value credit.
So subsidies may really help early growth but when we talk about the
sustainability it comes from the utility, community ownership and even the local
economic impact. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much for this incredible feedback.
I want to finish this question with Dr. Cao. I see you as listener, my friend, but maybe sometimes the application fails.
Are you here with us as a speaker?
Okay, so you're a listener now.
No worries.
Maybe we can finish the next question with you uh thank
you guys let's jump to the to the last question and just remember that if you want to be part of
this conversation you just need to send your request and we will chat here together so uh
is there been adoption happening outside the crypto bubble? It's, I guess, something
interesting to talk because I remember like at the 2023, something like this, Deppin start like
being part of the conversation in the crypto space. We have new applications solving different problems in the depping world.
But what about this kind of infrastructure outside the crypto bubble?
Let's see, Bishan, what do you think about this?
Yeah, so honestly, it's mixed.
And that's actually encouraging.
Like the enterprises adoption is real, but quite.
Companies like FedEx have experimented with blockchain based supply chain tracking
and whether companies are buying data from decentralized sensor networks
without caring about the you know uh underline the
crypto and but here is what i found very promising like normal people are participating without
realizing it's crypto so my friend and very best friend uh he runs a helium hotspot because
someone told him like he could make 50 dollars a month and he
doesn't know about the blockchain and web3 and all he doesn't care about the decentralization but
he just wants the passive income so that's actually healthy i would say the best tech
adoption you know happens when people use something because it works better right not because they are
ideologically aligned with it and the challenge is most deep in projects are like still too focused
and on token mechanics rather than just you know building something too useful that people naturally
want to use it and the real test isn't whether crypto people get
excited like it's whether your mom would like use it without knowing there is a blockchain
involved and what is happening behind the scene so yeah this is my take about the real adoption
okay yeah i do agree with you that is's a mix, centralized and decentralized is just
a good starting and also solving problems that we already had, but in a decentralized
way, of course, provides a different way to participate in this technology.
Thank you, Bishal.
And let's go with you, Eric. I'm really sorry that I now see
you as a listener, but I guess that you are a speaker. Sorry, because the application sometimes
it fails on this. Are you here with us, Eric? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, nice, nice. Welcome, welcome.
So can you introduce yourself, please? Because this is the first time that you participate with us.
Sure.
And please, yes.
Yeah, sure. It's okay. I just raised my hand. I'm a new ambassador for Viren Network.
Yeah, let me introduce myself first. i've been uh i'm eric yeah i've been in crypto space for five 15 years
uh diving back diving uh back with uh when bitcoin was just getting started so
over years i have worked uh uh on some pretty like uh yeah pretty cool project like uh including
like, yeah, pretty cool project, like including serving as a tech, technique, I mean, technical
leads for GameFi and NFT projects where I have to, I helped build system that blend blockchain,
like, so gaming and decentralized finance. My passion is all about pushing Web3 forward and with Vira network,
we are working on scalable developer-friendly infrastructure
to make a decentralized app and ecosystem thrift.
So that's a quick intro um yeah so uh for that for this question uh
is depend breaking out of a crypto bubble and getting real world adoption uh i i would i would
say uh we are seeing some solid signs of it, but it's still early days.
The cool things about DeepAin is that it's built to solve practical problems
like internet access, data storage, or energy management
in ways that don't just appeal to crypto nerds,
but to real world business and the community too like let's take uh like others said
like uh helium for example it's not just a crypto focus folks setting up a hotspot and anymore
big like uh big telecoms like t-mobile and uhphonic are tapping into Helium's network for
lot connectivity and mobile data offloading. So in Q2 2025, Helium overload, like 20 uh 20 uh 20 20 uh five uh helium helium overload like uh 27 uh 2721 uh terabits of
data up to a hundred like a hundred uh 38 percent from the last quarter. So that real-world usage, not just the crypto hit,
projects, others like projects like Bob Network.
Yeah, Bob Network are also making waves, bringing internet to underserved parts of India, right?
right uh where a big telecoms uh haven't reached as they are developing hotspots in real uh rural
Where big telecoms haven't reached.
areas like which is a huge deal for people who aren't thinking about crypto but i just want to
afford affordable internet uh then there's a new neuro neuro love, which signed a 12 million deal with the state in India to replace traditional
data centers with over 15,000 community powered devices. That's a government choosing the pain for actual infrastructure.
So not just some speculative token play.
And projects like Roven Energy are working on clean energy grabs
using blockchain for the renewable energy adoption
with things like NFT carbon offsides.
That's appealing to environmentally conscious business and community,
not just the crypto traders.
That said, it's not uh all small selling uh depends still face uh hundreds like uh
handles like a regulator array uncertainly and and and the need for more user-friendly tech to get
non-crypto folks on board for example setting up a helium uh hotspot or during decentralized energy grab can require some technical knowledge or upfront cost,
which made a scare of mainstream users. But the fact that we are seeing partnerships with major players like uh invader t-mobile or even governments showing dpain
is starting to break out of the crypto bubble uh it's probably i mean it's private it's providing
it it can uh deliver real value like cheaper uh more accessible infrastructure infrastructure which which is uh what's going to uh drive adoption
beyond the crypto crowd so so yeah it is it's happening but it's grab a gradual shift and we
are just uh at the beginning right now so yeah yeah that's that's my opinion thank you okay yeah
thank you so much my friend first of all of all, welcome to the Vara Squad.
It's really a pleasure to have OGs and the team.
Thank you so much.
And thank you also for your feedback,
because I believe that what you share is really important for all of us.
If you believe that this kind of projects infrastructure depend
is only a crypto bubble or part of this
narratives. You just share something really important. The big players that they already
solved this problem years ago, now they see a new market opportunity in this new narratives.
So it's not about like having this technology outside the crypto bubble, but the normal, the big players are part of this
because they see that it's solving the same problem that they're solving
and different and sometimes in a better way.
Absolutely.
Thank you so much, Eric.
Welcome again.
And we're almost done, guys.
Please, you have still
the chance to be part of this conversation
if you send requests
we can talk with you
so let's jump
with you Ale
let's complete
we have here
CEST
what do you want to share with us? We have here a CEST. I don't know. Yeah, yeah.
So what do you want to share with us?
So I want to share my opinion on Deepin.
So basically, I'm a dev and I've been part of Deepin projects
as well.
So I want to share what's the pain point of making
that deep in projects.
So what I've seen devs and them companies like fail with is creating a
sustainable revenue model.
So they make up or they make sure that that's helping the community and that
community course, but what they feel.
And to tackle that they then go to tokenomics.
So like the tokenomics topic had come earlier as well.
So they go to tokenomics as their revenue model, but that tokenomics is actually backed by some VC or other stuff, which like, then doesn't make it completely decentralized.
Because VC has most of the sales of their tokenomics.
Due to that, there's many issues.
So like I've seen deep in projects, which actually have potential and which
actually are serving the community fail because they can't sustainably
generate revenue.
Right.
So that also has to be kept in mind whenever we are making a deep in project.
Like it is definitely, definitely, definitely going to help everyone everyone but it also has to sustain for us as well because
yeah and myself right now i'm making a decent for the site as well i'm making something which is
actually going to help in payment infrastructure for everyone for users merchants and everything
i'm making that as well and i'm trying to figure out how to like create a sustainable
revenue model and make it go further away.
But yeah, right now I've seen this happen and people are
right now tackling, okay, how do I now generate revenue,
but I have a complete model.
Now I just want to have a complete revenue model.
Yeah.
That's what my opinion I wanted to say.
Okay. Uh, Sears, thank you so much and absolutely agree with this community is creating new business models, revenues and having in mind
that the tokenomics is a good starting. Also, we just discussed with our speakers that this is
important but also need to be complemented with different strategies
so it could be a long-term solution and thank you so much for your perspective here okay um let's
jump again with you ale so what do you think about the last question is the depin adoption
happening outside the crypto bubble sure i i'm totally agree about the previous opinions and about the adoption won't
look like a sudden mass migration because instead of it it is happening sector by sector where
actually deping offers a offers a clear edge.
For example, when we were talking about why rule this project
about providing internet access to underserved people.
And when this happened about accessing internet
in places where internet or telcos don't see profit,
that's where adoption driving by necessity is is
is present not hype and for example in mobility projects are creating open data layers for
vehicles which companies can integrate without needing to go crypto. And the key insight here is that adoption grows where Deppin integrates into existing industry quietly, of course.
It's not going to happen fastly, but specifically solving pain points that already have.
People don't adopt because it's decentralized they don't even
have a like the dimension of this but they adopt because it's the only option that actually works
better so that's why i i i say that um creating services thatize into pain points into solving real problems that's where
really dipping will i think be more adopt a create more adoption beyond the crypto bubble
amazing uh this one i guess that is one of the more important things that we have shared here about opportunities, Ali, because that's true.
Some countries, they are using this technology not because they know that it's a decentralized way, but it's the only way to use.
And this is the real power of the technology. And when we combine together as a community, we are solving a problem that even in some regions they don't have access to.
Absolutely.
I do agree with you.
Thank you for sharing this.
We need to keep in mind always this when we think about crypto, we think about the solutions it's not everything
about like prices it's not everything about uh just money it's about solving real problems and
and you mentioned also something about vehicles i guess that i can share in this moment that
inform hours will have a conversation with a french community uh code neckt is the name
of this community that they are solving a problem with the real world assets and with the vehicles
and it's gonna be an interesting conversation it's gonna be in french but if you want to be
part of this i guess that it will be really good. We are talking with different communities about the crypto solutions
and also the VARN network technology.
So thank you, Ale, for your feedback.
I really love it.
OK, we're almost done, guys.
I don't see more people in the space
other than our ambassadors, but let's continue with Sharani.
Sharani, what do you think about this
uh well slowly yes most indians using web3 tools don't even realize it's crypto
and they care about the benefits not the buzzwords if you tell a student in a tire to city, they can earn tokens for sharing unused bandwidth or can access cheaper power via decentralized grids.
They don't care whether it's deep end or they just see it works.
The key is local awareness and simple UX.
Also, Hivemapper can be a great example of non-crypto users contributing just by driving with a dashcam.
Even in India, people don't need to understand blockchain deeply.
They just contribute and earn rewards.
Also, once projects speak the language of benefits like cheaper internet, say reliable services or extra income,
then I think adoption will go far beyond the crypto
native crowd in India.
Thank you, Sharanya.
Really, really interesting what you share about the people who don't understand the
technology, but they participate.
I don't know if you have heard or used Project Coolgrass Network.
I don't know if you have heard or used a project called Grass Network.
It's interesting because this basically allowed the users to monetize their idle internet bandwidth.
And the interface is really easy.
You just download a plugin into your web browser.
You put play and you are part now now this and you're gaining tokens.
So I guess that this is something really nice to understand about like, of course, many people use this kind of technologies or plugins because they heard that we can win tokens
and tokens at the end, you can convert in real money right but how it works
internally it's the challenge to for the for the people that is solving the problem so the people
that use it they don't realize and even sometimes they don't care they just need to participate on
these technologies and it's happening this grass network I remember I saw it here in Laram
with some restaurant owners. And they had this plugin into the web browser. And it was to me
like, wow, interesting. Being a restaurant owner, I don't believe that you have enough information
about how it works. And I asked, hey, I saw this plugin in your computer,
Grass Network, do you know what it is or why you are using it? And this guy told me,
I heard about this coming from my friends and I know that I'm gaining tokens that in the future
I can convert it into money. So I like it. That was the only thing that this guy shared with me.
And it's interesting because, okay,
this is a real project, Grass Network, I will say.
But many others in the space are only scouts.
So be aware about this, guys. Thank you so much, Sarania, for sharing this.
Let's finish with maybe Eric.
If you're still here, can you share more about this?
I know that you already shared with us,
but maybe you want to compliment.
And also, I see you as a listener, but I don't know.
Maybe you're a speaker and you want to compliment or big cans you want to add something else okay I'll
just add on that okay concerning the last question okay majorly the reason why
we are actually making use of DPN is because we want to actually solve a
problem and which is actually um like a lack of
access so we can actually um this actually applies to applies outside crypto bubble because they're
actually solving a problem which um most of us have listed here so sorry so it is actually going
out but then it it might be a slow process because it takes a long while before people accept, like traditional
people accept something that is new but then it is something that will actually come to pass as
time goes on and then as we see the credibility of the project that's actually leading this
the pain. So for me it's a yes and then it will take time, that's just it. Thank you.
All right.
Thank you so much.
And I guess that now we are pretty close to finish this AMA.
Thank you so much, guys.
I'd like to share some key takeaways after this conversation with all of you guys.
CryptoBall, do you want to share something else?
Yeah, definitely. CryptoVol, do you want to share something else?
Yeah, definitely.
You know, the last question is very, very important.
I think I also have something to say.
Actually, I would say yes, I agree with what Helen said.
Deepin isn't solving everyday challenges, and that matters to real communities. And I i think i have some examples to share especially when it comes to africa uh energy assets in in rural nigeria and
kenya are solar power dipping crits uh let's household pay tiny micro payments for electricity
and this one will require no crypto knowledge needed so just
lights in their homes uh the truth is that uh many people are really using deep in without knowing
uh that's the the truth about it and even the the one that we have in south africa and kana
uh the startup in south africa and ghana uh they are building a decentralized wi-fi network where people end
tokens by sharing internet bandwidth uh but end users just see it being affordable and reliable
internet uh even in the area of agriculture that we said before uh farmers in east africa uh use
blockchain uh blockchain powered supply chain to prove where crops come from and this actually helped them to
assess better market and even a fairer prices without caring if it is web free so i would say
yes that adoption is actually happening outside the the bubble in in africa people don't say i'm
using the pin uh they just they just say i i finally have power i finally have internet
i finally have a fair trade so that's actually the true vision so thank you
all right thank you so much and this is related with the last people i want to share with you
guys after this incredible conversation about them
uh i guess that we can see now that
structure problems through the day and the participation of the people is really important here but also the long-term success depends on the scale and beyond token incentives and providing sustainable demand. Solving a real problem is really important to be long-term project and be part of this. And adoption is starting outside of crypto, of course, but better UX and real-world integration are essential. So these are the main key takeaways
after this conversation.
Thank you so much, everyone.
Thank you all for joining us today,
this discussion.
Special thanks to our ambassadors
and community leaders
for helping us to bring this topic to life.
Just remember,
whether it's the PIN
or other Web3 innovation,
the future of blockchain lies in real
world impact that's for sure thank you so much ali thank you sharanya thank you crypto bubble
big cans eric and all the community here thank you so much for your time uh see you in the next ama
let's keep building together uh hopefully on bar network uh if not it AMA. Let's keep building together, hopefully, on Paranetwork.
If not, it's OK.
But let's keep building together.
See you later, Varigators.
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much.
Have a wonderful day.
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Bye bye, everyone.
