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The Newest Wallet in the #Cosmos | Cosmonaut Bootcamp #51 w/ @tabuapp
Recorded: March 15, 2023 Duration: 1:06:40Space Recording
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I'm exhausted. It's been a long day.
Yeah, same here.
How's it going, guys? Just getting a few things set up. Give me a moment more.
Is that Timmy, the emcee?
Yes, sir.
Right on. Look at us. We just got to make sure not to dox him and use his real name.
I know. I know.
I don't know. I think you guys, did you see Don's live stream this morning? I took the first steps.
Yeah.
What'd you do?
I just had the camera on.
Wow. That's rare.
Big, right? Big.
It's a big deal. Next, you'll be sharing fingerprints and passwords with us.
Okay. Twitter has been so rough for these faces lately. The Taboo account is trying to join right now and just...
Oh, there we go. Maybe.
Okay. There it is. Cool.
It's looking at us.
No, it's doing the same thing. Damn. Okay. I'm not going to be able to get that up on stage.
I have three different devices I do Twitter stuff on.
Two of them just cannot connect to spaces. It is so bizarre.
Let's try co-host. That's the only other possibility.
No. Cool. All right. We'll go with it in listener.
Brandon, if you have another device, feel free to try. We could get the Taboo account on stage, but not necessary.
I think people... It's a profile picture. It definitely stands out.
So probably okay if it's just in the listeners.
So I guess for everyone listening, obvious full transparency slash just for anyone who doesn't know,
this is Tenderman Timmy speaking on the Spark account.
I recently started working for the UMI team pretty closely with Brandon here to do marketing on a couple things,
one of which is Taboo here.
So I'm both an interviewer and part of the team, but for the purpose of exploring Taboo tonight,
I'm going to act a little ignorant and just act like a good interviewer and ask some basic questions.
But that being said, full open mic tonight.
So even right now, if anybody wants to come up, Brandon here has told me he's not just ready,
but he wants the hard questions.
He's like, let him lambast me. I'll take it.
So if anyone wants to come up and really ask anything, see if we'll have certain features,
what might be supported at launch, what we have planned down the road, feel free to do that.
But for now, we'll just kick it off.
So Brandon, maybe I know a lot of people might know you from Twitter, but I think a lot also don't.
So maybe just a brief little intro yourself, your position at UMI and yeah, maybe an intro for Taboo as well.
I know it's been cooking for a while.
So yeah, for sure. So my name is Brandon Comer.
I'm the head of product at UMI.
Kind of been running the dev team since over a year now, a year and a half, pretty much.
So yeah, I've been with the team since pretty much the beginning.
We built out the leverage module.
Of course, with Woz, he built out the Oracle, which is being spun off into OHO.
And so yeah, that's kind of been my experience at UMI,
just building out all of the different products that we have,
the Ethereum protocol that we have, as well as the bridges.
And so now we're shifting focus to Taboo, where I'm the founder.
And so the idea behind Taboo is really that what we found was the mobile UX for the inner chain,
especially within Cosmos, but also if we're going to have the inner chain be more than just Cosmos,
the UX just wasn't there.
And as we were building out UMI and we were looking at integrating with different wallets
and different solutions, there was just so many holes in that UX sort of path
that we thought we could fill.
And that's what we're doing now.
So we want to just build out the inner chain UX, especially with mobile.
If we're going to capture the next million users or even billion users of crypto,
then we're definitely going to have to have better UX and better solutions that more mirror
what they're used to within their existing financial solutions.
So that's been my background, to be honest.
I mean, my whole career, I've been building like digital banking systems,
especially for like solutions for financial institutions,
and then did a stint at Amazon before joining UMI.
So this is kind of my bread and butter and what I'm hoping to bring to the Cosmos ecosystem.
Awesome.
Woz, feel free to do the same if you'd like to do a little intro.
I know you may speak more to OHO stuff tonight, but an intro never hurts.
And also feel free to chime in about Taboo at any point.
Yeah, absolutely.
Well, you know, I'm Woz.
I was one of the early core contributors to the UMI protocol.
Now I'm the founder over at OHO, which is being incubated at UMI alongside Taboo.
And, you know, a couple other secret projects that we won't talk about.
But yeah, I've also got a history back in finance.
I was one of the directors over at Fidelity for a while, building out, you know,
a lot of their back-end systems and restructuring their architecture there.
So I'm pretty happy to be in the Cosmos space specifically and, you know,
and kind of bringing all that institutional knowledge that I have about, you know,
that I learned over my time at Fidelity and a couple other places.
And really trying to bring the basics over to crypto, the fundamental levels.
And that's sort of why I came into building OHO.
And yeah, I'm super excited to be here.
Awesome.
Yeah, simply put, Woz is the real brains of the operation.
Me and Brandon just play with the big lofty ideas.
Cool.
So I guess let's first focus some of the questions I've got is like,
what do you mean a mobile-focused wallet?
So like, what are we going to support at launch, you know,
between mobile apps, browser extension, wallet connect, this sort of stuff,
and what's on the longer-term roadmap that might not be there at launch?
Yeah.
So really the core idea behind Taboo is that instead of just becoming,
like, the core issue I see with wallets is really that they all kind of just do the same thing.
You can, you know, hold your funds.
You can look at your balances.
Maybe you can stake.
Maybe you can do in-app swaps, but there's not really that much functionality outside of that.
And so if you want to talk about mobile UX, especially for interchain, like Cosmos protocols,
for example, you're really reliant on either a browser extension,
or maybe you're using Kepler in one of their, like, sort of, like, permission dApps pages.
And it's really a fragmented UX.
And it's also just, I mean, it's not very good, at least in my experience.
And so what we want to do with mobile UX is we really want to bring all of that functionality
for DeFi, and we want to build it into the app.
So instead of having to go through a browser, instead of having to, you know,
go to different pages and use Wallet Connect, we'll just build that right into the actual protocol.
So say, for example, say Luna comes back.
Terra comes back with a beautiful stable coin, like what they've got with Capapult.
With Solid.
Or if they invent a new stable coin.
We want to be able to mint that directly from the app.
So instead of having to go through some browser, you can go directly into the app,
mint it from within your actual homepage, and then use DeFi applications.
So what you'll be able to do with Taboo that's not really been done in any application
is you'll be able to not just have, like, things like an in-app swap,
but you'll also have things like in-app liquidity provisioning.
So you'll be able to see all of your osmosis positions.
Add liquidity positions from the app itself so that it's basically going to be a universal UI
for all of the cosmos.
That's the end goal.
Of course, we're launching with a V1 that will primarily encompass native swaps with osmosis
as one of the in-app features.
Obviously, staking is going to be a big part of it, voting.
And then we'll also have some auto-compound features using AuthZ that we really want to expand on.
I mean, AuthZ is something that I think that hasn't been expanded enough within the cosmos ecosystem,
especially with, like, things like, you know, automating DeFi strategies and anything of that sort.
That's something that we really want to pursue as well.
Yeah, first off, I find it kind of funny.
I think anybody who's heard myself talk for even, like, two minutes about Spark and ICI
probably just went, oh, I see why Timmy joined the UMI team.
Like, basically, your guy's goal with Taboo is very similar to my goal with Spark and Interchain.
It's just unifying the cosmos, which is a very fragmented thing at the moment.
I think, like, I think analogies are really helpful, too.
So I kind of think what you were just kind of touching on, if we were to make it analogous to banking apps,
imagine if when you went on your mobile banking app, whether it's, you know, Bank of America or your local credit union,
that when you went to make a transfer between your accounts or to someone else,
it directed you over to your browser and took you to the Swift website or the ACH website.
Like, that'd be an awful experience.
Boomers would literally not know how to use mobile banking.
But instead, there's just a swap tab or a transfer tab in, like, your banking app.
And that's kind of what we're going after with Taboo.
Like, I think sometimes protocols of all kinds, not just wallets, feel like they need to reinvent everything.
Like, I could see another wallet team wanting to approach this, being like, we have to build a DEX,
we have to build XYZ, like, for the wallet.
But those things already exist, right?
Osmosis, WinDEX.
And, yeah, just building that seamlessly into the native wallet UI,
I don't think it can be understated how much that's going to affect the onboarding process.
Like, if we want Web3 to ever be appealing to normies,
we're going to have to, like, dare I say, follow the traditional template a little bit,
even if that's sort of taboo.
Nice.
But, yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I was trying to work that out as I was talking.
I was like, where can I take this to a taboo punt?
This is what it's marketing at.
But, yeah, just to touch on what you're talking about,
I mean, having built, you know, digital banking systems and worked on apps
for, like, Thinkorswim and TD Ameritrade's trading app and stuff like that,
I can tell you that you're exactly right.
Like, if you look at a digital banking app, say you go into your Chase app right now,
you're going to see things like you can get your mortgage,
you can see your checking account, your savings account, you can transfer.
All of those different things,
if you were looking at it from the perspective of DeFi,
are actually different protocols.
Like, there's a checking system.
Like, a mortgage system is typically, like, a third-party system.
Like, there's a bunch of different mortgage systems that you can use that handle your loans.
There's also different systems for home equity loans.
And all of those things are actually different protocols if you were taking it, like, DeFi terminology.
And so that's exactly what we want to do.
It's not just about, like, having UMI functionality.
It's about being able to use UMI, but also use Mars, use Osmosis,
use all of the different DEXs.
And that's what we're basically trying to build out here,
is that instead of, like, coming to a wallet and just having one option,
you'll be able to use some of our aggregation tools so that you won't even notice,
you won't even know which chain your assets are actually on.
That's the whole point of Taboo, is to abstract that process out
so that every protocol can benefit from this
and users can ultimately get the best prices, get the highest APYs,
while still having a safe and efficient protocol
at that kind of abstraction layer.
Yeah, I think, like, I think it's interesting.
All of crypto, Web3, whatever term you want,
is kind of so far focused on,
like, we ought to do the next crazy yield farming protocol
or the next crazy MEV thing
when we really haven't got the foundation yet.
Things like wallets, shameless self-plug,
things just like information infrastructure,
like what we're doing with Interchain Info.
Like, we've kind of got those set up to the point where they work,
and people, like, everyone listening here can navigate DeFi and Web3
and do what they need.
But I think we often lose sight of, like,
we're not your average person, right?
This is not an experience that's ready for mass adoption yet.
And so I think, like, Taboo's a massive step towards that.
Yeah, so in-app swaps, in-app liquidity pool management,
in-app auto-compounding,
and then Elephant in the Room,
a lot of people have asked about.
Do you want to touch on our NFT support?
I think that'll be a really cool one.
Yeah, I think that what we'll ultimately see,
I mean, the two chains that I can see benefiting most from Taboo
are actually Juno and Stargaze.
I think that there's a lot of functionality
that would be emphasized there,
especially, like, say, Stargaze's Marketplace, right?
Having a wallet where you can not just see your assets,
but also be able to list them on the Marketplace
without having to go to a different browser.
Juno as well.
I think that you should be able to build a DAO
and manage it directly from a mobile app.
And I'm kind of surprised that no wallet
has kind of built that out yet.
I mean, it seems like,
like, DAODAO is building out
some of the coolest functionality, I think,
in all of the cosmos.
And that's something that needs to be expressed, right?
Like, personally, when I first joined UMI,
one of the protocols I fell in love with,
obviously, was osmosis,
because I thought it was, like, this revolutionary thing,
having IBC and having all these sort of connections
to different blockchains
and really just being this liquidity hub.
But then as more and more chains started to develop,
what I felt was missing was kind of this, like,
aggregation between all of them in terms of the UX.
Like, you should be able to have, you know,
like I mentioned, DAODAO, Stargaze,
all of these different things
within the actual mobile app
so that it feels like one cohesive experience.
Because that's, I think,
where Cosmos is ultimately going,
that this concept of interchain
is so different from multi-chain
because it's all together.
Multi-chain is like that old Ethereum
MetaMask experience where it's like,
you go in there,
you have to select my Binance chain.
And then if I want to do something on Ethereum,
I have to go in there and change it to Ethereum.
And then, you know, optimism or whatever the case may be.
You know, that's the single most common complaint
about Kepler.
And it's one of those things
where I have to second guess or catch myself.
Like, I'll often be like, it's not that bad.
It's pretty intuitive.
Like, you just go to...
But then I go, wait, that's not how a normie thinks.
Not even a normie, just a new person to crypto.
I feel like normie is kind of degrading in a way.
Like, yeah, it's a weird experience.
And people have brought it up enough with me now
when I ask what their problem with Kepler is,
where I'm like, okay, that is a real thing.
If it's going to be the inner chain,
it needs to feel like an interconnected ecosystem of chains,
not just multiple chains.
Imagine if the internet felt like that, right?
Like, if the internet actually felt like separate networks,
that you had to connect with different devices
and you had to use different browsers...
Different browsers to get to different sites, yeah.
That would be a terrible experience.
And so the inner chain needs that sort of UX,
and that's what we're hoping to deliver.
Cool.
So I guess, like, two things...
Actually, I have a question myself.
So I know that while we're already working on it,
we won't have DowDow support right at launch.
And I'm personally curious, like...
I don't know if this is true from a coding perspective,
like when it looks to integrating,
but I feel like DowDow has more frequent updates and feature ads
than most other, like, D-apps in the cosmos.
Like, Osmosis' last big feature ad I can think of was Stable Pools,
and I don't even know what before that.
And I'm sure there's other ones,
but, like, no, like, kind of big foundational ones.
Like, I notice.
I use DowDow a lot personally.
Maybe that's why I'm biased to notice it more.
But kind of, like, faster...
Things change faster at DowDow.
Is that part of the reason we won't have them at launch?
Or is there something else?
Part of the reason we won't have it at launch
is there's so much to build, right?
But definitely for V2.
Yeah.
What I'm thinking...
So definitely want to have an explore page
where we can...
Like, if you ever use apps like DeBank
or Zapper on Ethereum,
they have, like, these wonderful pages.
Like, I've got a lot of friends that work in Ethereum
on different DAOs,
and they use that as, like, kind of their showcase
where you can see, like, different DAOs within Ethereum
and what's kind of the cool new things.
I think that that's a great thing to pair with that.
So for V2, obviously, we're getting a little bit ahead,
but with an explore page,
we'll highlight all of the greatest, you know,
the latest and greatest for DowDow,
for all the cool DAOs,
like the racks and all that good stuff.
And then we'll also bake in
the actual in-app functionality for that.
But obviously, there's just a lot to release,
and it's kind of an ambitious goal,
so that's why it's just not in V1.
Yeah, that's something else I think we should call out, too.
So even though we are integrating a lot of these things,
like, just directly into the wallet UI,
it's still a normal wallet
in that anything we don't have integrated,
you can still connect to and use,
as if it's Kepler.
So new Dex pops up a week or two down the road.
Like, yeah, should be all set.
Is that right, Brandon?
Yeah, so what we'll do
is we'll include an in-app browser
so that basically any protocol
that we don't actually integrate directly into the app,
say there's a brand new app, right?
It's going to be hard to keep up with that.
We want to be able to give users the ability
to actually still explore those within Taboo,
still use all the functionality that comes with Taboo,
but still explore those new ones.
And so there will be a browser in-app
that they can use for those different things
for the mobile UX.
And then, of course,
the next step after the mobile beta release
is a browser extension
so that they can use it with desktop as well.
Awesome.
Cool.
Quick reminder here,
I'll probably do these every now and then.
Open mic tonight, AMA,
if anyone wants to come up and ask questions,
feel more than free.
One thing I've noticed, Brandon,
just from talking to people the past couple weeks
about just kind of wallets in general,
usually it's been me kind of
trying to get some info for Taboo,
but also just wallet conversations come up really often.
People kind of have different ideas
of what a perfect wallet is
or different key features
that they'd want to see as the priority added.
And one thing like the whole team,
but me especially as like marketing
and kind of community front person for Taboo
is going to strive really hard for
is listening to that feedback
and like being a wallet
that's connected with the community.
I feel like right now wallets
across all of Web3,
you know, if you look at MetaMask to Kepler,
there's some of the least
like kind of community oriented
and connected projects.
I don't even like mean that in a bad way.
They certainly try,
but they're kind of bigger than communities
in a lot of the, in some sense.
But with Taboo,
like we really want to hear what people want.
We want to hear what people might not like
once they get their hands on it.
And that includes like tonight.
So if you want to come up
and just tell us what your perfect idea
for a wallet is,
what kind of features you'd want to see
or just questions about
what we're going to have at launch,
please feel free to do that.
I think we got slightly off track.
I think you went on a beautiful tangent.
Don't get me wrong.
Don't fire me.
But NFTs.
So just to circle back there,
I think I'll let you tackle it,
but I know we have like,
you'll be able to see your NFTs
just right in your wallet natively,
along with a good bit of info about them.
Right.
So like traits,
floor price for the collection,
that sort of thing.
Yeah.
So the Stargaze team has been gracious enough
to grant us access to their GraphQL API.
So we're actually working on integrating that right now
in terms of like just showing basic information
like what you just mentioned.
And then the next step after that,
we want to get launch out there
so that people can start using it
and using it in beta.
But the next step after that
is to actually incorporate marketplace functionality
into the app itself.
So at the very least,
you'll be able to view your NFTs,
see all the basic information,
see the floor price and all that stuff.
Then there'll be a view on Stargaze
or a view on the marketplace button
that takes you to the browser.
So you can check that out,
actually perform functionality there.
And then as we continue on,
we're going to be adding more functionality.
So the first thing is obviously like listing
for like being able to sell,
being able to buy an NFT,
basic stuff like that.
And then we'll get into more advanced,
like actually creating an NFT project
directly from the app as well.
Cool. Okay.
So I guess just kind of a general question here is,
and this can go for both of you, Waz,
if you want to chime in.
What about Taboo?
Like there's a lot of things going on,
both for launch
and sort of the immediate future thereafter.
Um, let's just say within the first,
like a year from now.
So not only including things at launch,
what are you each most excited about with Taboo?
Like you're going to use this as your daily wallet every day,
or I would hope,
uh, what part of it are you kind of most excited
to have that new experience with?
So for me personally,
my most sort of thing that I'm excited for
is to get rid of all the tabs.
So Taboo is,
it means Taboo,
but it also has sort of a tongue in cheek meaning
in that it means tabs in Japanese.
And so the reason we named it that,
it was kind of a joke at first,
is I was talking about Interchain UX
and I was talking about like,
okay, well,
if I want to look at prices,
I got to go to CoinGecko, right?
And if I want to do a swap,
I go to Osmosis.
If I want to do a bridge,
um, at the time I would have to go to Axelar
and I,
and I,
it kind of goes on and on and on.
And so if you look at my like Google Chrome browser
at any given time,
especially when we were developing UMI,
it would have like hundreds of tabs.
And I think a lot of people are like this,
right?
Especially in DeFi.
And so the idea behind Taboo
is let's get rid of all those tabs.
Let's have one cohesive UI for everything.
That way it's very easy to kind of move
between protocols and everything of that sort.
So I'm excited to get rid of the tabs.
I'm excited to just have one place
where I can go in there,
see how much my,
you know,
like what the movements are,
how I'm doing.
And then also just to be able to do
all these different things,
like for UMI specifically,
I know that we,
we were,
we were talking to Ben from Dow Dow,
I think last year about getting like
Dow Dow V2 on the UMI.
Cause we want to have,
you know,
a lot of good Dow functionality
that isn't really,
it's kind of supported by the Cosmos SDK.
I mean,
they have the groups module,
but it's not as advanced
as what Dow Dow allows you to do.
And it's kind of a different purpose as well.
So for a lot of protocols,
including what we've built so far,
we want that functionality.
And so that's what I'm really excited for is like,
you know,
getting,
getting the ability to just go to my mobile app,
not having to go to my desktop,
when I'm not,
you know,
coding or anything for like work and just use,
use my mobile phone to do things that I want to do on crypto.
And that's,
that's the ultimate like pinnacle for me is like,
just having that ease of use.
Yeah,
absolutely.
I was going to steal your,
your thing with the tabs there,
Brandon.
But I think what,
one of the biggest things for me is obviously the,
the OHO integration.
But,
on top of that,
I think it really opens up the floodgates for new protocols that are coming
out that might not have a lot of resources to set up front ends for their,
for their protocol.
You know,
we see some really beautiful things coming out of like Kujira and obviously
the UMI app looks really good and osmosis.
but I think,
you know,
one of the things I'm excited about is,
you know,
imagine protocols launching and they,
they don't have to spend resources on their front end devs.
They can just focus on the protocol themselves and work with wallets like
Taboo to create feature specific UI rather than what,
what Kepler has,
which is this very generic integration.
So I think we're going to be able to see,
you know,
the floodgates kind of open in that way.
And you can have people who are very creative in the,
the blockchain protocol side of things,
be able to impact more,
more of the,
the general populace of cosmos because they don't have to work on those,
those front end integrations anymore.
It's just,
it's just less replicational work,
which is super.
And I do want to,
I just want to say,
the goal is not to shit on Kepler because we're definitely standing on
their shoulders,
right?
Like a lot of this stuff that we learned,
especially on the front end side for UMI,
we did learn from Kepler.
Like they have great libraries,
they have great functionality that they've done and their infrastructure is
actually really good.
So Kepler is definitely great.
Like it's,
it's definitely better than a lot of other wallets,
but we just want to take it to the next level.
And also everything that we do is going to be open source.
And so obviously we want taboo to be successful,
but what we also want to do is we want to,
we want to inspire competition in the,
in the ecosystem.
So if people see us having a great feature,
say the Dow Dow feature that we're building currently,
if they see that and they want to copy it,
take it,
fork it,
that's what open source is for.
We want to inspire competition and bring,
and bring all of the ships up with the rising tide,
right?
So that's what the interchange is about.
And that's what we want to develop.
I feel like that is the best possible attitude for the old adage of
competition breeds innovation.
cause it's true,
but that innovation can even come quicker when these things are open source
and people are willing to learn from each other and let others learn
from them.
yeah,
we got two speakers up for him.
I'm excited to get to,
but I want to quickly build off,
one of the first things you said,
Brandon,
which was sort of your example of opening four or five different tabs to,
you know,
go to axlar,
do X,
then do a swap,
then send it wherever.
I can't believe I can't believe I haven't thought about this before.
So I'll pitch it to you here live on spaces.
We can talk later.
We're building something for the interchange info dashboard right now that I
actually think is,
I can't believe I haven't thought of it before the ultimate,
like it fits perfectly into a mobile wallet.
so we're building a transaction builder kind of like for a combo on Ethereum,
where a user would be able to assemble,
multiple different actions in one,
like Kepler execution.
So on like one chain for a combo,
for example,
on Ethereum,
was used for flash loans a lot.
So without knowing how to code or execute flash loans from CLI,
somebody could just go build out,
like take a loan from Aave,
swap on sushi swap,
swap on uni swap.
Let's pretend there was an arbitrage pay back the Aave loan.
And you could execute that in one single block,
one transaction,
because you kind of added those components together and then you can do a
flash loan because you don't need collateral.
We're doing something similar to where someone could build out like,
claim staking rewards from Stargate.
IBC over to Osmosis swap to Adam,
IBC,
the Adam to the hub and stake.
That's the kind of thing someone might do every day,
kind of similar to your Axelar example.
We want to let them like build that out as a recipe,
execute it quickly.
and we're also working with cronkats to let people turn those into automated
recipes.
So I,
I can't believe I hadn't thought of it before,
but like that feels to me like one of that would be like the,
the phenomenal star product of a wallet app.
If that was just right in my Kepler or in my taboo here in future,
I would truly feel like between our other integrations and our D app browser,
I don't have to go anywhere else to get stuff done.
so yeah,
we should,
we should talk about that more later.
I think it could be super interesting and hopefully save you guys a bunch of work since we're
building it.
Yeah,
for sure.
I mean,
I think,
in terms of principles of what taboo is trying to be,
I think we prioritize sort of abstracting,
sort of complexity first,
but then,
obviously we want to have advanced features for users as well.
Like we want to build out a whole suite of UI for office,
for example,
so that you can do a lot of complex things that aren't possible right now without
having to code.
Right.
And so when you look at a lot of different,
development over the years,
think about like web development with like no code and stuff like that.
We want to get blockchain development,
to that level as well,
where you can come in a guy that's never coded before can set up some pretty complex
transactions,
across the ecosystem without ever having to have any specialized knowledge.
So obviously that's something we want to do.
And yeah,
like I said,
we're,
we're trying to be the most community focused wallet out there.
For the cosmos by the cosmos.
If you,
if you follow my drift,
just like the whole chain is trying to be for the price feeds for cosmos.
and we can get into some,
I sent was,
a DM from some chain link guys today.
We can get into that as well was,
but it just feels like there's not that solution yet.
And that's what we want to be.
Love it.
Awesome.
Cool.
Jake,
take it away and then we'll come over to Felix.
Later.
Wow.
Holy shit.
This is really cool projects.
Like,
I'm pretty stoked actually.
I think,
you know,
all credits to Kepler love Kepler.
We need a lot more innovation on this whole like inter chain UX kind of thing.
So really glad you guys are working on this.
I actually just have a couple of questions.
and maybe I missed it and I'm sorry if I missed it,
but,
well,
you guys have support for notifications.
So for certain apps like doubt out,
for example,
if we have an API you could subscribe to,
like,
would you be able to,
you know,
deliver notifications?
Like,
Hey,
you might want to go vote on this thing or whatever.
Yeah.
For V1,
we actually cut that out just cause we want to get it out there.
But the idea is we'll have a notification center,
not just for your typical like price alerts,
but for airdrops for,
for all these things.
So obviously if we integrate Dowdow,
I'm happy to,
you know,
get notifications going for that as well.
Sick.
That's awesome.
and then are you guys going to have like support for things like off C as well?
you know,
is that a V2?
So for V1,
our off C will include like an auto compounder for staking.
And then we want to expand that as far as possible.
off C based auto compounding for any rewards across the ecosystem,
but also we're going to do things like self repaying loans,
for UMI.
And,
and even for Mars too,
I mean,
whatever helps,
you know,
the ecosystem as well.
that's another thing I want to get out there.
Like if you're a competitor to UMI,
like we're going to support you a hundred percent either way.
Like you're not going to be any sort of like,
you're not going to be a second class citizen.
Mars will be supported as much as UMI is.
It'll be part of our lending aggregation.
All that matters to us is that users have the best experience and get the best
rates possible.
That's,
that's the way to win,
I think in this ecosystem.
And,
that's what we're going to do.
Sick.
Love it.
and then lastly,
data has a new,
interchain accounts implementation.
That's like,
should be coming out like in next like couple of weeks.
you guys should take a look at it.
It's,
it's going to be pretty sick.
UMI's got Cosmosum to support,
correct?
We're working on it right now.
Unfortunately,
we're one of the chains on,
on 046 for the SDK version.
So we've been,
we've,
yeah.
Well,
I'm sorry.
I know,
I know we needed it for transaction prioritization,
but we're,
working on,
as Gdickian told everyone,
Tenderman,
Timmy,
as you may know,
UMI is using his,
fork or his,
version of,
046 is,
Cosmosum integration.
Robert Zaremba is actually working on that right now for integration.
That's our next project after IBC rate limiting.
And,
yeah,
we'll have that pretty soon.
Sick.
yeah,
really just really excited about what you guys are doing.
And,
I think you're doing it that way.
Love more open source wallets.
Like,
love the community first approach and like excited that the interchange is getting another great wallet.
I'm honestly like,
I had never heard of your guys' project,
but I'm stoked.
Yeah,
we just announced today,
so we've been kind of working on it in stealth,
but,
yeah,
and,
and likewise to you,
I mean,
we think Dow Dow is one of the most innovative things in all of crypto.
So we want to support it.
We want to support window.
Everything that you guys are doing on,
you know,
is pretty sick.
And,
and obviously if I could plug,
plug was,
if we can get Oho smart contract based oracles on there,
definitely happy to support you there.
I'm pretty,
I'm fighting for that pretty hard.
Actually.
I think it makes a lot of sense and I think I want to support a lot of different Oracle
solutions.
And I think,
you know,
we're fans of smart contract based oracles who knows,
maybe we could even get support for chain link someday.
Nah,
you don't need chain link.
Who needs chain link?
I'm just,
I'm just trolling Timmy.
You know how it goes.
I was going to say,
actually,
everyone knows my,
my chain link position.
from what I,
as a non-dev,
I'm able to understand about Oho.
So long as they don't go after trying to bring completely off chain,
like real world data on chain,
which I think is where chain link shines.
I'm actually super,
like I'm,
I'm a big fan of Oho.
I think they do all the like on chain price feed stuff really well.
So hopefully that means something coming from me.
I think it's going to be good.
And honestly,
I really want to see like Cosmos in general,
get up,
get off the,
like,
like leaning more towards like smart contract based oracles and like
calls and walls on versus like,
building like these really complex.
What is band modules that is band smart contract.
I know it's dead,
but like architectural wise,
is it smart contract based or more like chain link?
I think it's just,
it's like an SDK chain.
I think it's mostly vaporware to be honest.
Yeah.
They somehow got listed on Coinbase.
So good to them.
Yeah.
Hard to,
hard for me to speak directly to a competitor,
but,
I think we're doing a bit better of a job supporting Cosmos than band is
so far.
and hopefully we can see Juno get a,
get a signaling prop up pretty soon.
Yeah.
The,
the only thing I know about band is that it caused me to get
erroneously liquidated on anchor once.
So that's where I stand on it,
but cool.
Felix,
thanks for popping up,
man.
Feel free to jump in.
yeah.
thanks for letting me in.
So also from my part,
I think we can all agree that having good wallets like key to
decentralization and many different ways.
what I would have as question is more about how you plan to
integrate it because the thing with wallet connect,
and I know you said you will support it with a browser is that a
chain can integrate itself.
But if you say you want to natively integrate stuff,
how do you plan to,
I mean,
how many resources do you have?
Because it sounds like a lot what you plan and also super complex,
different projects.
And how do you plan to keep up with project?
that's a great point.
what we're trying to,
this is why I have the men laws here.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean,
when you actually work on a front end for one of these chains,
it's actually not that difficult.
And I,
I don't want to like,
you know,
shit on any front end developers or anything like that,
but it's,
it's actually a pretty easy process in terms of integration.
The,
where you get into difficulty,
is obviously the custom modules within,
within the cosmos SDK,
right?
Like if you were talking about osmosis,
they've got plenty of different custom modules,
like the gam module and their incentives.
And you have to kind of know where different things are.
one of the things that we found difficult as we were building it out.
So I'll say this,
we have this sort of,
API that we've built out called the galaxy API.
And what it does is it takes a user's,
it takes one of their addresses,
their UMI address for now.
And it basically takes that and uses,
the cosmos directory to translate all of the different IBCD noms from within the
actual chains so that you know exactly where,
where all of their balances are.
You can get their liquidity balances on osmosis.
You can get all of their UMI positions,
as well.
And it's kind of just like this aggregate of,
of all of their different,
all of the APIs of cosmos that we support.
And one of the difficulties there is knowing,
you know,
what different version people are on,
because if you're on 046,
like we are,
you have actually,
especially 046.7,
I think is the version where some of the actual APIs changed,
or the actual paths.
And so there's like little nuances like that.
That's the most difficult part.
but a lot of this stuff is actually standardized.
So that's the beauty of the cosmos SDK.
If you're,
whether you're on osmosis,
whether you're on UMI,
whatever the,
whatever the chain may be,
a lot of that stuff is standardized for like staking governance,
you might have some custom governance proposals,
but a lot of the functionality is the same.
So what we try to do is maintain a base layer that remains the same,
and then add in custom functionality from there.
And so right now we're doing it with like a standard sort of like aggregator with like APIs,
but the next step in terms of like becoming more efficient is actually plugging this all in,
into like a graph QL interface so that we can kind of like provision different data for different chains.
And also for different,
different use cases,
like,
like for example,
like the DEX is right.
You have to have accurate information in terms of like,
how,
how do you pull an LP balance for osmosis versus how you pull it on window?
It's going to be different.
And so having that backend sort of abstracted from the user,
but having these aggregation tools is kind of one method to doing that.
And then obviously keeping up with different chains,
it's going to be sort of a team effort.
What we want to do is make this as much of a community driven,
a community driven wallet as possible so that if,
if a chain has an upgrade we can work with them as well to incorporate any changes to existing functionality,
having a really open system helps a lot with that rather than having like,
like as opposed to like a closed source wallet.
But also just being well-versed in the cosmos SDK as well,
coming from people who have built these applications themselves with UMI.
And also with a variety of experience,
like one of our lead devs is from Thor chain.
He was building their wallet.
And so there's a lot of different experiences that we have that we can kind of draw on to,
to help simplify that.
I will also say one of the bigger struggles that we saw on the OHO side,
you know,
because we build these custom indexers for like osmosis and these other chains is honestly,
the node infrastructure has been a huge issue and we're going to have to deal with that on the,
the taboo side as well.
Right.
So we have,
you know,
partnerships with block Damon and new Mia that we're working on right now,
where we're going to be able to,
you know,
have their infrastructure and use that so that we,
you know,
have close to his a hundred percent uptime as we can possibly have.
And what's nice about being incubated at UMI together is we get to share some of those resources.
So we're actually able to scale a lot faster than a lot of other teams that might be struggling with the same issues.
Yeah.
All right.
so this also was one of my questions,
which coins you want to support,
but so it seems like the whole like chain,
chain registry stuff.
I think my point was more going on the custom modules.
Like you said,
you want to natively integrate stuff like the osmosis text.
It's probably,
probably a V2 thing,
but what,
what,
like what if they change and it's super fluid staking?
That's what I meant with keep,
keep track with the updates.
Isn't that also like super resource intense?
Yeah.
I mean,
it can definitely be resource intensive,
but I mean,
it's something that's worth doing.
So it's a trade-off,
right?
Like having.
Also,
I also feel like there's something to be said earlier.
You touched on like it's a two way street and hopefully projects on their end will want to chip in with development to keep stuff up to date.
And I think an important note on that.
I actually don't know the answer to this.
I haven't thought to ask.
So at risk of shooting myself in the foot,
I know it's rumored at least Kepler charges a few hundred thousand for an integration.
What,
what are we charging projects?
I won't touch on what Kepler charges,
but we did pay it for Ubi.
So we're charging a,
what free 99 was.
So it's,
it's,
it's all free.
Yeah.
It's,
it's about free.
so my point there is like,
I think teams already don't have that barrier.
So just having the integration for free as something that benefits their app will incentivize them to help us keep their stuff up to date.
Would that be fair to say?
I mean,
well,
at the end of the day,
I mean,
I agree with what was said a lot in that the,
the hardest part in all of this is actually the infrastructure,
like keeping up with upgrades is actually pretty easy.
I mean,
interesting.
My whole role as head of product at Ubi is to know what people are building and to see how we can,
you know,
out compete,
you know,
you know,
build something better,
do stuff like that.
So this is something that I'm used to.
This is something my team is used to.
And so now it's more about keeping up with it so that we can build functionality in there,
make sure that we know when things are happening.
So it's,
that part is actually easy in my,
in my mind.
The hard part is the infrastructure.
So I think that was a big reason why Kepler charged their fees is that they had,
they had to run nodes.
But what they've done is they've kind of opened,
they've opened that up so that if you want to add your,
well,
your chain to Kepler,
you can,
you just have to provide,
you know,
an RPC connection and like an API or,
or a rest endpoint for that.
So that's going to be the same thing here.
We won't run nodes for everything just because that could get vastly expensive,
obviously,
but we want to emphasize the smaller chains,
like people like white whale who are building like cool solutions around like arbitrage
and flash loans.
We want to emphasize a chain like Megaloo,
but obviously paying for a node is like,
it's a big trade-off,
right?
But if they can provide node infrastructure and we can provide,
you know,
our solutions,
I think it's a,
it's a pretty much a win-win solution there.
Cool.
Yeah.
All right.
I see.
And actually the Kepler point would have been my next question about how much you want
to charge or which projects you want to add.
So I guess that's it from me for now.
I'd actually like to,
just because we have a ton of people in this space and I think it's such good info to share.
I'd actually like to show Felix's projects.
I don't think many people are aware.
And Brandon,
it's also something we could potentially look to integrate in Taboo.
So Felix is part of the Cosmos Shield team,
which is like wallet recovery operation.
So if you notice like,
you know,
all your liquid funds are suddenly gone one day,
all your stuff is unbonding.
Felix and his team here can help like snag your unbonded assets the second they free up.
So a just shout out to everyone listening because we have a big audience.
Cosmos Shield is something you should know about should be in your back pocket.
Some something will happen to you or a friend eventually.
God forbid it hopefully doesn't.
But knowing this is a tool out there would be awesome.
And didn't think of it till now.
But like,
how cool would it be to have a wallet integrate that kind of thing?
I don't know how it would work because.
Yeah.
I might want to add something to this because.
Yeah,
please don't.
I also wanted to talk to you is about that.
We just added a governance block list.
So we also have an AI.
Not yet life,
but I'm working on that.
So if there's something in this direction,
blocking governance proposals also to everyone listening here.
If you want to do that,
you can always PM me and we're also doing it for free.
Yeah.
Brandon,
I know you're even busier than me,
so I'm not sure how much you keep up,
but like,
are you aware with what's going on with a lot of chains?
Gov proposals.
Like we're on proposal 600 something on Adam because on the hub,
because of spam proposals.
I'll be honest with you,
Jimmy.
Today is the most I've been on Twitter ever and I'm exhausted.
Yeah.
I don't keep up too much,
but I do keep up on the governance.
I know what you're talking about with spam.
We get it on Umi too.
Yeah.
All the airdrops and the,
all the BS,
right?
so imagine if tab.
Okay.
So actually I want to add something to,
I've been exploring Reddit more recently,
like trying to kind of bridge these communities.
I have seen multiple people post on Reddit,
a screenshot of one of these scam airdrops asking if it's legit.
I do not think it is safe for us to assume that everybody just knows their scams.
I think it would be phenomenal,
phenomenal if taboo just filtered out spam proposals.
So they're not even there.
Yeah.
The,
the hard,
that'd be huge.
So the hard part is like one of,
one of the ways I think you filter out right now is like,
if it's in the deposit period,
that's where a lot of these sort of scam proposals go to die.
But if someone pays the deposit,
there's not really something that I'm aware of that you can really filter out.
Like you can know,
like this is a hundred percent.
There is,
but obviously,
well,
not a hundred percent,
but this is what Felix is building.
Something more intelligent than that.
Let's talk.
I mean,
that sounds like an amazing solution.
And obviously one of the things we want to do is to be able to create a UI through mobile so that anyone can create a proposal.
So if there's a way to block spam before it's even started,
then that's another avenue that we'd like to explore Felix.
Yeah,
that's cool to hear.
And actually just to the point,
what we do right now is we have a block list of governance proposals.
We also synchronize that with Kepler.
So you probably,
if you go to Kepler,
you won't see the latest proposals.
We're at 700 now in the hub because we like to block them.
And yeah,
that would be the solution.
And then with an AI,
we can block them right when they appear.
Awesome.
Brandon,
you also just kind of glossed over it,
but I got pretty excited.
Like,
let's just reiterate something you just said.
Like,
it seems so fucking simple.
Apologize for the language.
But being able to make governance proposals right there in your mobile wallet and like a pusher,
like I recently went through my first gov proposal and I had to enlist the help of a friend who understood CLI.
And that's just on desktop too.
Imagine if I was on mobile and needed to do it.
Like,
I think that's huge.
Is that something we'll see in V1 or a little later down the road?
I think later.
Probably down the road.
It's probably going to be like a V2,
V3 thing just because a lot of chains have custom proposals.
But like,
Waz will tell you,
like,
even creating asset listing proposals.
I mean,
Waz,
how many times have you had to teach our own team how to do it,
right?
Like,
they'll send the PR.
Dude,
like,
all the time,
dude.
Like,
there's,
there's got to be a process in place.
You got to build like something in Notion so everybody follows it correctly.
It's a whole thing.
I mean,
that's why like Masari exists,
right?
Yeah,
it's something that we want to,
we want to sort of shore up.
Anyone should be able to create a proposal as long as they're a community member.
And as long as they have,
you know,
whatever the fee is and then block the spam.
And I think you're good to go from there.
Awesome.
Okay,
cool.
So I guess big,
maybe one of the big last remaining questions people might have is when and airdrop question mark.
And so I'll say,
I don't think we're quite ready to say when the wallet will be available for public,
but it is probably sooner than you expect.
And even sooner than that,
we will be having a beta where a closed beta where certain people have access.
And Brandon,
do you maybe want to talk about how people will receive that access?
Yeah,
there's a,
there's a date coming up.
That's really sort of the,
the most meme date in crypto that I would really love to release beta on.
I'm not going to say it out loud because I don't want to make any promises,
but that's the date I would love to release the beta.
But what we're looking at right now is the way we're going to do this is a little bit different from other applications when they release.
I want to do an NFT gated launch.
And so what that'll look like is we're going to create a taboo NFT project on Stargaze,
completely airdropped.
No one will have to pay anything.
And we're probably going to give the royalties away to one of the major,
you know,
Cosmos community projects.
We did this with Adora squids where Cosmos spaces took that on.
We want to do the same thing.
So whether it's,
you know,
we love some suggestions here too.
If like,
if there's something out there that could,
you know,
benefit from royalties from an NFT project,
let us know.
Obviously it's not going to be a lot of money,
but you know,
whatever helps helps.
But what this is going to look like is you see the little block in our,
in all of these spammed messages that we've been sending out.
You're going to see that as a NFT project.
And so what that looks like is we're calling it the tabulators.
We're going to have different artifacts from different chains.
You're going to see the osmosis beaker in there.
You might even see a Juno whale harpoon gun in there.
You're going to have different aspects in there for every chain.
And we're going to just airdrop these to different folks that sign up for
our beta release.
And then from there,
once you actually have those in your stargaze account,
that will allow you a,
for beta access to the app to allow you to enter your seed,
come into the app,
try it out,
do all that good stuff.
So stay tuned for that.
That airdrop's probably coming at least in terms of the,
in terms of the snapshot and everything that we want to do with that in
the next couple of weeks.
And then we'll go from there.
Yeah.
I'm,
I've been really happy to work on,
work on this project because mainly because of the,
the chains thing.
So like all the NFTs in this collection will be riffing off various chains in
the ecosystem for like their accessories,
colors,
et cetera.
And I'm just like really hoping I can get my hands on one or two complete
sets,
meaning like all accessories and stuff from one chain.
I think those will be like the rare ones.
Well,
I know,
I know you're happy to me.
I'm paying you to work on memes right now.
So who,
who wouldn't be?
I've always like,
ever since I did the Joe collection,
which was my first foray into anything NFT related,
I kind of actually had told myself,
like,
if I do something else NFT related,
it'll be a focus on like cross chain,
inner chain,
cosmos,
most shouting out all the different projects and chain.
So this was actually like just a crazy happy coincidence.
Yeah.
But yeah,
so everybody who,
you know,
we got in contact with too for help with the launch today.
We really appreciate you guys,
especially thanks for making me look good at my job.
You will be getting an airdrop and beta access just for doing that.
So if you somehow are not in any of the other snapshot criteria,
you'll be able to just give us a address and we'll,
we'll drop you one.
Okay.
okay.
I think we've covered all the like major things.
I know Joe has a spaces at the top of the hour.
We usually go long anyways,
so it's totally fine.
but I know we have laws on here to maybe talk a little bit of OHO stuff
before we wrap up,
before we pivot to that question for Brandon and was,
and anyone in the audience,
any last things we want to touch on with taboo,
any other,
fun points we might've missed.
And then for audience,
if you have any questions,
feel free to come up.
I think we touched on everything that I'm ready to reveal.
I think we kind of revealed like our next six month roadmap also on this.
and I intended to just tease it today,
but this is always happens on these Twitter spaces.
but yeah,
it's too exciting.
If there's any features,
I mean,
a lot of the features that we've built have been basically what I've seen the community asking for,
for the last six months to a year.
And so if there's other features that you guys are really clamoring for,
hit us up on Twitter,
DM us,
do whatever you need to do.
You can come in the UMI discord as well.
just let us know what features you want to see,
and then we'll make sure to add those in there.
Whatever we can add that the community wants is that's the whole point of taboo.
It's,
it's a community driven wallet.
And Hey,
I might have no say when it comes to products,
but I'll fight for you.
You tell me what you want and I'll,
I'll be your soldier on the inside.
cool.
So I guess maybe do we want to just do a little touch on some Oho updates?
I think,
you were talking to me earlier,
there might be some cool stuff to chat about,
and then we can wrap it up here pretty soon and I'll go visit Joe.
Yeah,
sure.
I mean,
I'm always happy to talk about Oho.
You know,
that's pretty much all I do.
We should,
we'll definitely,
we should do a dedicated space here soon too.
Cause I personally have kind of been holding off on asking,
you guys,
some of the like more nitty gritty questions about Oho.
Cause I'm very fascinated with oracles,
because I've been thinking it'd be good to save for a space.
So we'll definitely slot out a bigger chunk of time just to dive in.
Be honest.
I mean,
it's cause you're a link Marine,
isn't it?
Yeah,
exactly.
That's why I'm fascinated with oracles.
You want Cosmos to wait for nine months,
don't you?
I mean,
I will say,
I don't know,
when I first found out,
I mean,
when I first learned about chain link,
I was super into it too.
You know,
when it was launching before it was listed on any exchanges,
I was looking into it.
Cause it seemed to me like the first,
you know,
really legitimate pickaxe play,
right.
The,
the real way to enable DeFi.
And,
that that's part of actually why I'm so excited to work on Oho.
Cause you know,
I get to sort of stand on the,
the shoulders of giants,
right.
And then beat them down.
I'm just kidding.
But,
but yeah,
for,
I mean,
Oho in general is going really well.
We've got a,
our test net going right now.
We've got a hundred validators on it.
We've got,
I think today we're onboarding 86 more and we're extending the validator set to 200.
price fees are going really well.
We're relaying over to Juno test net already.
The secret already crazy was actually that this might seem crazy to you,
but,
we call this cosmonaut bootcamp for,
a reason.
I think we get ahead of ourselves sometimes.
Would you mind giving a quick one or two sentence summary of just what an
Oracle is and why it's so essential for like functional defy,
like the role it plays?
Yeah,
absolutely.
So essentially the,
there's the thing called the Oracle problem in decentralized technology.
And what it means is it's very hard to determine the truth about the
outside world outside of the context of a blockchain.
The reason for that is in obviously in a decentralized world,
you have a bunch of different people who have control over the network.
And any of those people can say that,
you know,
something is green or something is red or Bitcoin costs a dollar.
So how do you determine which one is telling the truth?
So OHO essentially specializes in allowing this decentralized network,
the OHO network to determine the truth about external data and then relays it to other
protocols.
And other protocols need this in order to make things like UMI,
right?
Like leverage protocols need to know the price of something to know how to treat a
certain asset.
Right?
So that,
I mean,
that's the basis of the Oracle problem and that's kind of what we're trying to
solve within the context of Cosmos.
Cool.
Okay.
I think always good to cover the basis.
I think oracles are one of those things.
Everybody's heard of them.
Everybody knows like,
you know,
I've heard,
I know chain link plays some crucial role,
but it's kind of good to cover the basis sometime.
And so maybe one thing you can touch on too is am I correct in my non-dev assessment?
Like I'm starting to put oracles in like two categories,
one like defy oriented on chain cross chain type ones.
And then like chain links,
original problem that was like marketing for,
which is,
you know,
C level rise in a year or who won a political election,
like completely unassociated things here in the Cosmos.
It's interesting because the Oracle problem,
as you put it is exactly as you put it,
bringing any data from outside of a chain.
And just because we have IBC,
that doesn't make that difference.
So like Juno being able to get the price feed from osmosis is an off chain problem,
even though they both seem like they're in Cosmos.
But is it,
is my understanding kind of assessment,
right?
That like,
ho is very focused on the defy side of things like getting data between chains,
enabling defy,
that sort of thing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we,
we're essentially a true app chain.
We're only focused on oracles.
And so right now we do have a,
an immediate focus obviously on pricing information and enabling defy protocols.
But what we really want to do is set a foundation for OHO to develop into whatever the market
sees fit by whoever wants to contribute.
Individual developers should be rewarded for creating methods of determining,
you know,
how high is the ocean rising?
How are,
you know,
CO2 emissions going?
And then allowing protocols that need that data to have it.
So say if you wanted to build a protocol that needed to know that the,
you know,
the ocean's blue,
you should be able to get a grant from our community in order to build that.
And I'll,
I'll be talking about that a little bit more in our,
my white paper that I'm going to be releasing probably within the next month or so on OHO.
But the immediate focus,
yes,
is defy,
but the basis of OHO should enable anyone to build these data pipelines into the cosmos as they need.
Cool.
Okay.
And so kind of big updates on the horizon,
I guess alpha for validators would be that we're expanding the set,
right?
For,
for test net,
but I assume that will reflect on mainnet.
Well,
right now we're just expanding it for test net because so many people want to be a part of our test net.
We've yet to determine,
you know,
who's going to be in the Genesis set.
We're going to have an incentivized test net before mainnet,
which is going to help determine that,
that we're working on.
But we've got a lot of stuff cooking.
I mean,
you know,
what do we think the size of the mainnet set will be?
I can't,
I can't say just yet.
We're still figuring that out.
We're,
we're still figuring that out.
We gotta,
we gotta publish all this stuff at once.
And then,
then I'll tell you,
you know,
cool,
cool,
cool,
cool.
Okay.
any other,
any other OHO updates or last thoughts on Taboo?
I feel like we're kind of coming perfectly to a close at the top of the hour here.
I mean,
I'll,
I'll give it to Brandon.
You know me,
I'm always,
always working on OHO.
So just look at my,
look at my tweets for the alpha and that's where you'll find it.
Yeah,
definitely.
If you guys want alpha in general and crypto,
don't follow the marketing people like me,
try and follow the devs.
That that's where you get the sweet stuff.
If they're at all active on social medias,
but yeah,
Brandon,
any,
any closing thoughts could be OHO or Taboo related or UMI related.
Cause I know like kind of one thing we're trying to do with all this and even a fourth yet to be named project is like create a really well synergizing ecosystem of apps that play off each other.
So yeah,
any closing thoughts on UMI,
Taboo,
OHO?
God,
did we just,
did we just announce the fourth unnamed project?
This space has been so much.
Yeah,
no closing thoughts other than,
you know,
Cosmos versus everybody,
man.
We got to build Cosmos first focused products and that's what OHO is.
That's what Taboo is going to be.
We can't wait for all of these Ethereum projects to come to Cosmos.
We have to build the ecosystem that we want to see just like we,
we've been doing,
but we want to,
we want to take it to another level.
So yeah,
thanks for all the support,
everybody.
And we're,
we're hoping to deliver a great product to you guys.
I love that Cosmos before everything.
Yeah.
We're this,
this is something I think sometimes gets murky in Cosmos when there's drama,
but then very quickly,
everyone realigns to be like,
okay,
we're all on the same side here.
We're all trying to make Cosmos great.
Even if your favorite chain's Osmosis,
yours is Juno,
like we're in this together and we're kind of building each other up as we go
along.
Awesome.
So I think that'll do it for tonight.
I'll keep the space open for just another minute or two,
because in the nest above,
I just pinned a tweet from Joe.
His space should be starting in a few minutes.
We almost never wrap up on time before his starts,
but we did tonight.
This was awesome.
Thanks.
So everybody for coming by tonight and everyone else that participated in like
the marketing launch today,
posting images,
really appreciate you guys and excited to get you hands on with the beta and
not too long.
All right.
See you guys.
All right.
Have a good one,
everyone.
I will leave this space up for just like a minute so people can follow the
link above,
but we're signing off.
Thanks for joining and catch us on the next one Wednesday at 8 PM.
actually next Wednesday on Cosmonaut bootcamp.
I don't know how I found this project,
but we're talking to a project called bean,
which is a stable coin backed by credit instead of collateral.
I'm extremely skeptical,
but interested.
And I think it should be a really interesting chat.
So join us next Wednesday,
8 PM.
We'll,
we'll talk to a very tiny stable coin doing things differently and see what
their take is on everything.
But thank you so much for joining Brandon was was back to the development lab
with you.
I'll get back to the Figma lab.
Yeah.
You,
you go back,
you go Figma stuff.
You go get stuff.
I'm going to go do things.
Beautiful.
All right,
everybody.
Have a great night and enjoy the rest of your week.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
Bye.
