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The Ordinal Show
Recorded: April 16, 2025 Duration: 2:28:03Space Recording
Short Summary
The Dog of Bitcoin project is launching a new series of plushies tied to a token mint, with 33% of proceeds directed towards community initiatives and marketing efforts. Collaborations with local businesses and a focus on community engagement highlight the project's growth and innovative approach in the crypto space.
Full Transcription
. Thank you. Music I'm not going waiting for you.
I'm just a crosshair, I'm just a shot away from you.
And if you leave here, you leave me broken, shattered, alive.
I'm just a crosshair
I'm just a sure thing can die
I know I won't be leaving here
With you I won't be leaving here with you. I say, don't you know?
You say you don't know.
I say, don't you know? You say, you don't know. I say, take me out. I say, you don't show. Don't move down the wall. I say, take me out.
I'm out. I want you to take me home.
I know I won't be leaving here.
I know I won't be leaving here.
I know I won't be leaving here.
I know I won't be leaving here with you
I say, don't you know?
You say you don't know
I say.
Take me out, I'll wait, this could die.
I'll wait, this could die.
I want you to take me out. I'll move, this could die.
I'll move, this could die.
Come on.
Take me out!
I know I will be here.
Good evening, Bitcoiners! I hope you leave me here. on x spaces starting 10 30 meet you monday mornings and 6 30 p.m et wednesday nights
going for multiple hours covering various topics all about building new cool shit on bitcoin ordinals
are not just a new kind of nftm bitcoin but a massive movement of people who care about growing
bitcoin's adoption and bringing btc to the masses more important than the protocol itself ordinals
is a cultural shift that's attracting new developers and users incredible artists and accelerating innovation i'm trevor.bdc
managing partner at the bitcoin frontier fund and co-founder of pizza ninjas and i'm here with
my co-host the guy who'd rather skip his own show than skip leg day you can spell his name
but can you pronounce it is it jan yon or yan anyway he's
the cso and experts and my man with the plan and the king of btc sparta leonitis our you know
sft history expert and co-founder of or dot io and today on the stage we are joined by
tuxedo and nobody else guys what happened i thought the more i thought bitcoin went up i thought we're out of the 70k range but i don't see anybody requesting anyways i'm okay i'm excited to
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And with that, I'm going to turn over Leonidas to introduce today's show.
I love that intro. That was a passionate introduction for me.
I, uh, a few differences here and there on that one.
Little few differences here and there on that one.
Yeah.
You, uh, yeah.
I like how it's evolved over the couple of years here.
It's like, it started out, it was all right.
And it's evolved.
And I feel like, you know, you've, you've mastered it.
Uh, you've nailed it.
Uh, my, my voice almost failed.
Uh, I really did.
I was like, you know, Trevor yelling in his home right now.
Like, yes, he is.
And I love that.
Um, look, got a bunch to talk about here today.
Please come up and request to speak like Trevor mentioned.
I know a bunch of y'all love to just come hang out with us.
So please come up, request.
You don't have to talk a lot.
We're not going to make you talk a bunch.
Just come hang out with us.
We want to have a chill kind of evening Twitter space with y'all.
I was on the I always check in with my friends at the Ordinal support desk every couple of months.
They're my biggest fans. So I check in every couple of months.
And last night I popped in and the critique they had on the Ordinal show was that when they've listened recently, it's about Jan's workout.
They said every time they've tuned into the ordinal show, it was talking about Jan's workout.
So maybe we need to talk more about maybe Jan's sleep schedule so that we can switch that.
Jan's dietary habits.
I mean, that's what they're missing, dude.
Exactly. Exactly. Man, my what they're missing, dude. Exactly.
Exactly.
I, I think my sleep schedule is fucked, man.
I literally just woke up like 6 30 AM and, uh, you know, I, my sleep schedule doesn't
exist.
I think, you know, Brian Johnson wouldn't be happy.
You travel too much to have a good sleep schedule.
Well, yeah, no, but you've got some good life hacks, some sleep hacks for travelers, I think.
Yeah, I know.
But you've got some good life hacks, some sleep hacks for travelers, I think.
But no, look, guys, for the main show here today, I figured we'd talk a little bit about this little Coinbase base, quote unquote, rug thing that just happened just because like everybody's talking about it.
It's kind of interesting.
Obviously not super related to Bitcoin, but worth a quick discussion.
And then we've got Vittorio up here. For people who don't know,
Vittorio is behind the dog of Bitcoin. And basically, he's super humble. So he comes up
here. He's like on this show, literally every show with us these days. But he's super humble,
and he never fills any of the stuff he's doing. So I invited him to just do, you know, I wanted
to do a little 15, 20 minute interview with him a little later on in the show here and highlight some of the stuff he's been doing so
we're going to be doing that in a little bit um yeah i saw you know obviously the wizard brc20
token i just completed its migration to mem so huge congrats to to that team i think they had
a pretty high conversion right it was like 87 point something percent
of the wizard was burned
and MIM was minted
and they just completed that migration.
And I do have to say,
like, I think it's technically not the easiest
to kind of manage that over like many months
and do all of that.
And I think, you know, the team,
I think they worked with OrgKit maybe.
The team they worked with,
they all seem to pull it off like pretty smoothly.
People seem to be happy.
So if you've got any Magic Internet Money fans up here that want to come talk about that, please feel free.
But, yeah, also, Trevor, just maybe super briefly here.
It kind of looked like basically the Fed made some statements today that the market didn't like, I guess. Maybe people were expecting interest cuts, interest rates cutting a little bit, maybe by a little bit at least.
And it seems like we're probably not going to get that.
So I don't know.
It seems like there's maybe a little bit of tension probably between the Fed and then just Trump's tariff policies and stuff.
There's obviously we're a democracy in the U.S.,
so there's different contingencies in the government that have different feelings.
I would imagine Trump probably won't trade cuts like ASAP,
but it looks like he's not going to get it.
And I think that kind of just felt a little bit,
a little bit of maybe bad news for the market and for some folks.
But all in all, those are the main topics
that i had queued up for us here guys what trevor what do you want to dive into first
i mean i thought we were gonna talk about yon's uh yon's diet here so we do have to talk about
yon are you doing like what specific that no i'm just kidding maybe Maybe in the end of the show, Jan can give us some tips on his diet.
But let's jump into the base thing.
So basically, this company Zora, they used to be an NFT kind of creation content artist creator platform.
They since pivoted to meme coins, basically.
And yeah, basically, they're on base.
So Coinbase, you know, very heavily supports their base builders are trying to build the ecosystem and to their credit is very supportive from a corporate perspective of the different companies building on base.
it's like a social feed where you post a piece of content.
This could be a video of you talking into the camera for 30 seconds.
This could be a piece of art you made.
This could be a photo of John's bicep, whatever it is.
You just post it and then people can like reply to it, like it.
But every piece of content is a coin.
So basically you're launching a coin.
And to launch this product that they've been building for like a year now base wanted to support them and they tweeted out
you know basis for everyone in a tweet which is kind of like their little saying on base
i don't know exactly what it means but basis basis for everyone, I guess. It's one of those generic things that doesn't really mean anything, but that's their catchphrase.
And yeah, they said, we're tokenizing this tweet or whatever,
this catchphrase basis for everyone into a tweet, and they did it on Zora.
And then basically, the whole like crypto Twitter cabal was like, oh my god,
base, which is this massive blockchain that doesn't have
a coin just launched a coin it's like from the official twitter account and it went to like 30
million dollars almost instantly and then promptly dropped to like one million dollars like five
minutes later and rugged a bunch of people who were like excited for an official base token and then now the main guy jesse pollock who kind of runs the base team is kind of having to deal
with a little bit of pr fallout and manage the basically expectations that no this was just us
supporting our you know this was just us supporting a company building on base, so we launched this token to support this company.
But, like, there's nothing going to happen with this coin.
It's probably just a rug, basically.
There's nothing going to happen here.
It's probably not a great meme.
Base risk for everyone is probably not something that's going to be a billion dollar token, I would guess.
So, yeah, the bottom line is Coinbase launched the token for the first time ever that I'm aware of today.
And a bunch of people bought it and then are super pissed because Coinbase is now backpedaling as much as they possibly can.
So I don't know if people have thoughts on that.
I hope I did a decent job summarizing it.
This seems to be the drama of the past two hours on crypto Twitter.
Jan, what do you think about Coinbase launching their first token ever and it
only being worth $1 million? Man, I feel like, you know, I'm so grateful that I'm in a different
time zone because this thing completely missed me. You know, I was sleeping, this stuff happened,
and it became the biggest story on crypto Twitter. Now I'm just waking up to it and trying to figure out what actually happened.
Man, I don't know, man.
I really don't have any more information,
just what you just said.
I mean, it's pretty funny, to be honest.
You know, I think they're trying their best,
you know, like to kind of stay relevant in a sense
and maybe they didn't think properly
about what it actually gonna mean, you know
When they start promoting these things. Well, I don't know. Is it their official meme coin? Is it not?
But I
I guess everything is fucking possible in this space. So man, I'm not surprised
But hopefully you guys didn't lose money on it. I
Really I really didn't didn't know this was happening.
So, uh, so I don't have my many thoughts right now, bro.
All right.
Pretty much same as me.
I, uh, caught it.
I saw it after it had already nuked and people were complaining.
So I was like, I also probably wouldn't have bought it anyways.
I do have a base wallet and stuff, but I don't know. The whole thing,
like, I get it. They're trying to make it casual to create meme coins, but there's also a
responsibility that comes, I think, with launching a token where there is, even if there's, you know,
you say there's no expectations, there's no utility. There's at least some expectation
that you might tweet about it or something like this. I don't i don't know we'll see how this all pans out
trevor um any advice for the coinbase team right now i don't know man i guess i guess i guess our
disaster i guess it makes sense why jesse was like talking about how pump fun is good for crypto
like in the lead up to this um well that's such a good point you know that's 100 why you said that yeah yeah um so he knew this
was coming i mean it makes sense i mean is it good for crypto i don't know i mean i is i don't
even want to get into that that argument it's like our it's like uh that's what i saw in the
time i saw i saw choose rich nick being like you're the stupid it's just you're uh you must be stupid if you think pump phone is bad
for crypto it's like dude i just picture that motherfucker hayden davis or whatever his name
was wearing that thousand dollar sweatshirt i don't know if it's a thousand dollars but you
guys know the iconic photo probably like probably should be like time you know crypto like if the
crypto community's version of like time cover you Time cover of the Time magazine kind of a thing in that atrociously insensitive and almost comic book-like sweater or sweatshirt he had on.
But I mean, it's cool to see Zora trying something new.
I mean, it's cool to see Zora trying something new.
Basis for everyone is a pretty lame tagline.
It doesn't tell you anything about anything.
And, yeah, I mean, I guess it's been four hours since it dropped, right, approximately.
So I see there's 25 million volume.
Is it 20?
Yeah, yeah. Three to four hours since it dropped's 25 million volume. Is it 20? Yeah, yeah.
Three to four hours since it dropped.
20 million volume.
I mean, yeah, it's okay.
I mean.
That's basically the same volume as when Runtoshi dropped that scam coin.
I mean, for Coinbase, it's like kind of underwhelming.
Yeah, that's a good point.
I mean, initially, I thought this was 24 hour volume and
i was like damn we really are done like there's no liquidity like uh but um it's at eight million
market cap i mean um yeah you know this this the the momentum game is not when i play i play the
long-term game so um probably won't be minting this don't
really have much Ethereum anyway sold it sold most of it when Orinals came out but yeah wish wish wish
base luck it's cool it's a well well run platform I mean we could criticize the fact that it's
essentially a corporate blockchain.
I hope that the corporate blockchains of the world don't become the dominant ones.
So in that way, I'm kind of a base hater, but nothing against them and nothing against
what is a well-run ecosystem. You have to give them credit. They really nailed the
developer experience side of things. They have to give them credit. They like really nailed the like developer experience
side of things. Like they have a whole team that 100% 100% that kind of support like you can't
really get that anywhere else in crypto as far as I'm aware. So yeah, that's my thing.
Okay, okay, okay. I appreciate it. Tuxedo, did you first of all participate in this degeneracy
or have any thoughts or do you think we should start talking about Bitcoin?
Hey guys, what's up? Glad to be here. First of all, I want to say something about Jan. Hey man,
some of my colleagues met with you in Paris and I hear you're really tall.
I mean, apart from all your other qualities that we are aware of, you're also really tall
and fit.
Kudos.
If you're in Dubai, I'll be there as well.
I would like to meet you.
But regardless...
No, man, I am...
He's married, dude.
He's married already.
I'm taking some rest. I'm taking some rest. I cannot I cannot be everywhere. I'm married as well. No homo. I just heard good good compliments. That's all.
what Jan said, it makes so much sense to me because I missed it as well. And I understand
that we are in such a fucked up market right now that I'm glad when I miss stuff. There are like
huge news coming out. I miss them. They end up being total rags. And I'm like, thank God I missed
it. Now the only thing I can think of is I wish I had missed CZ's dog and Melania's coin as well.
Why didn't I miss those?
But also this reminds me of another case.
I don't know if you remember a while back, one of Polygon's Twitter accounts was hacked.
Polygon ecosystem or something.
And they made a pump.fun token and they launched it, they posted about it and they said,
hey, we made this new token, go ahead and buy it. So from an official Polygon account,
and it made like 60k in volume, which of course it was dangerous for the users, but also shows that
there is no money in the industry. Polygon goes and says, we are making this coin,
and nobody buys it. Same situation here as well. People need to understand that this whole
shenanigans with the meme coins, the pump and dump shit, it has drained the liquidity out of
the market. They need to realize that all those retail users, they have to go back to their normal jobs for three to six months at least, save some money before they can start reinvesting into anything.
We drained the market.
So that's a really sad part.
But, yeah, overall, I'm glad I missed this.
I hope I miss all the next shitcoins that are coming to go out.
That's it.
Okay.
Yeah, we appreciate the take.
Look, I think, yeah, I don't know the breakdown
on specifically the distribution of this coin and stuff,
but I think like pretty much unanimously,
like people, the question of like,
is PumpFunk good or bad for crypto
is like kind of like dodging the real questions.
It's like, I think rugs and people like directly lying to,
like when you directly lie to someone about a token or you
basically promise something and don't deliver it or you have a very like what i would just consider
unfair distribution where insiders get all the tokens and then they dump it on people this is
basically called a pump and dump that set of things which i think overlaps a lot with the pump fund
tokens is very bad for crypto, in my opinion.
Obviously, that's my personal take. Exactly.
Right?
100%.
You know what?
I'm not against pump.fund.
This is a democracy and a free market.
Everyone should be able, within limits,
to do whatever he or she wants.
But the thing is, these tokens are not fair launch tokens.
There are so many insiders, snipers, bots, and whatnot,
that it's far from a fair launch. I would support 100% a fair one, but those are not this case.
Yeah, I honestly just, I think the issue with free and fair is that the incentives are not
great for like the creator, quote unquote creator like myself. Like you just didn't get any money.
So it's like the incentive is not as much
that direct financial like you hold tokens and it goes up and it's hard that model and maybe
maybe there's a version of like a free and fair airdrop where the creator takes five percent
that makes more sense i don't know i just know that like you know the trump meme coin being
celebrated with 80 to the team is like very not good in my opinion. And yeah, all these Solana meme coins.
Yeah, it's like PumpFun claims that it's like 100%, you know, fair launch or whatever.
But if you just snipe 80% of the supply, it's not a fair launch.
It's a fair launch when you launch the PumpFun.
But then everything else that happens is up to the chain, right?
Like you could do anything anywhere like with the right programs, right?
So, I mean, even if it's on ordinals.
Yeah, I mean, I guess my point is like airdrops seem like all around,
I just never really hear people complain that much about airdrops.
They seem like if you actually care about distributing the coin,
airdrop lets you just pick people.
Nobody's not going to want the coin.
So you just pick the people that you think should get the coin
and then try to do it pretty fairly.
It seems like a pretty bulletproof way to launch a coin.
It's just a giant airdrop.
The hype airdrop was a huge success.
You know, I would consider Runestone and Dog successful.
Like you can do this.
If you want to launch a meme coin on Solana,
I mean, it's trivial compared to on Bitcoin.
You would literally just,
it would cost you five bucks to airdrop
to the top million Solana users.
It's just not hard to do at all.
And I don't, yeah, I don't know.
Nobody wants to do that, I guess,
because the reality is-
It used to be the meta.
It was the meta for a while on Solana actually for a couple of years.
It was like the airdrop meta of that's how you distributed coins and started launches.
So that was for utility tokens more though, no?
Right.
Yeah.
And then PumpFun came through and kind of just fucking, you know.
Yeah.
So why abandon it?
Like if you have utility coins, it seems to work well.
For non-utility coins do the same thing for
me dude i think i think people abandoned it on chain like on solana specifically because all the
market um uh just like their attention span went to pump fun right like it went to that model right
and when you ask like people on chain to do more than one thing or, or to do complicated things, or, you know,
just go against the grain, then they, then they're, they're bearish, right? Like they just don't want
to do that because all the money is flowing that way. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's no question that
pump fun. It's like, if you're a creator of a meme coin and you hear that you get to get 80%
of the supply, if you launch it through PumpFun,
then that's your incentive is to use that thing because then you can pump and dump it basically, right?
So I don't know.
We'll see.
I'll say the Zora site is pretty cool,
and we'll see what ends up happening here.
But yeah, worth following.
I think base in general.
In general, I think Coinbase has their head screwed on straight
for the most part
and kind of is pretty aligned with crypto, hopefully. And yeah, they seem to be slightly
out of touch with like degenerate on-chain culture, I would say. They're trying to be more in touch,
I think. That's kind of what this is all about. They're trying to kind of replicate and go after
Solana's market share on the degeneracy stuff, but doing it in a little bit of a corporate way, which maybe doesn't fit super well.
We'll see what happens. It's definitely a new approach.
And yeah, so Jerome Powell earlier today basically made a few comments, guys, saying that he thinks tariffs could lead to some economic issues, which is like kind of, you know, I think most people realize that the U.S. economy with tariffs, at least in the short run, could face some consequences.
And basically, I don't know.
It seems like we're just not not going to get rate cuts or anything.
He's not going to be super helpful, at least in the meantime, and thinks that tariffs could hurt inflation actually. So I don't know if people have thoughts
on that, but it kind of downstream affects Bitcoin, our NFTs, our ordinals, our ruins and stuff,
because basically I think the general sentiment I'm hearing and seeing is that
it's kind of like, oh, we have to, you know, kick the can down the road for a few more months.
You know, we're not just going to start rocketing back up to all time highs again,
like right away, which is an energy that kind of felt like it was there
a few days ago, for example. So I don't know. Anybody has thoughts on that? That's kind of
seemed like another pretty big thing. We're all very much just downstream from this macro stuff
these days. Like it's obviously affecting basically all these markets and pretty much, yeah,
we got to, we got gotta kind of sort some of that
uncertainty out before we can probably go back to all-time highs with bitcoin and stuff would
be my guess i don't know trevor you might be the most equipped to talk about that if you have
anything to share or any thoughts or opinions there but um yeah it seems like people were
slightly disappointed there yeah i think i think that's understandable. People obviously want the economy
to go back into low interest rate mode. I think it's interesting that basically Bitcoin, I don't
think Bitcoin reacted at all to it, right? We've sort of been up, we're up to hovering on 85K.
Regardless,
it feels like there's a lot of bad stuff happening in the economy, but Bitcoin is just sort of
chugging along. I don't know if it's from the inflows from different ETFs and different buyers or what it is, but it seems like we're definitely feeling more decoupling from, you know, the broader economy
on Bitcoin recently than we have. And maybe that's the case in really slow times like this.
But yeah, I think we're going to see, you know, at the end of the next 90 days, what's going to
happen with the tariff situation. I think most people, again, are looking for a bullish market
towards the end of the year here for Bitcoin. And that's that. I don't think much has changed in that regard. And yeah, the problem is just that interest rates are too high. And, you know, I think, again, if we're to see a catalyst this year, the thing that makes most sense for me is going to be gaming as a catalyst. I think it's kind of a barbell strategy,
barbell approach to adoption right now.
It's institutionals like Wall Street
and other big funds accumulating more Bitcoin.
And then I think it's through gaming,
whether that be on any blockchain,
onboarding the masses for small amounts of value
just to get exposure to.
And I think the UX is improving dramatically in the tech.
And, you know, we're going to see more and more sort of removal of the things that are
strange for people.
Like I think that Web3 tech is going to move more and more towards the Web2 like UX.
And, you know, we'll see more people getting touch points with the crypto space and sort of just that organic growth before we really see, you know, sort of an eruption or a breakout moment for crypto with the bull market coming back.
Love it. I also, yeah, like the gaming, I don't like, I can't predict like the timeframe of like
the gaming adoption, but I still have this like very strong fundamental bull thesis for gaming.
I just don't know the time horizon. Like when you think pretty much like all these video games,
right? They have in-game assets, they have in-game currencies. They're not on chain.
They're just in these private servers.
And basically, they're locked into this closed ecosystem where the economy is not really allowed to flourish, right?
You've got basically some basic little, maybe you can barter with other people through the
chat of these apps and this kind of stuff.
And some games will actually have marketplaces marketplaces right but they're like super
immature and somebody asked me recently you know like what's the point of like crypto gaming like
why put those in-game assets on chain and to me it's like I it made me think about it's like why
is that such a big deal and like I think a huge part of it is there's a ton of things we could
talk about but a really big part of it is you're basically taking this economy that's like super, super nerfed.
You don't really have any tools or primitives to work with.
You don't really have a very efficient economy.
And you put those assets on chain.
All of a sudden, these assets are now interoperable.
They can plug into the entire DeFi world.
They can plug into all these different things. You can do lending and borrowing. They can plug into the entire DeFi world. They can plug into all
these different things. You can do lending and borrowing. You can do fractionalization.
All of a sudden, literally, Citadel has a team that is trading these assets. I imagine a world
in the future where there's trillions and trillions of dollars of value. So it's like when you look at some random tribe of people, like a hunter-gatherer tribe of people or something
like this, their economy is very small. And it's because they can't do a whole lot. They're just
bartering. There's not much going on in the economy. They don't have any sophisticated
kind of mechanisms for lending, borrowing, this sort of stuff, right?
If you put your game on chain and make the assets tokens in the game, literally people like Citadel can pull the asset out of the game, plug it into some crazy, you know, DeFi infrastructure and all of this stuff.
You have literally trillions of dollars of liquidity sloshing around in crypto. And that token, those tokens in game can actually be worth a lot and
they can be packaged and traded and derivatives and all this crazy DeFi stuff can happen to it.
And like, that's what you need. Video games today are kind of just like the economy of like a tribe
in a desert with like a couple hundred people like trying to figure out
how to barter a defied you know version of games or i'm not saying necessarily even it's not even
necessarily just the players in the games would be doing this although i think the players in the
games will love it because the tokens like when they you know accomplish a mission in the game
they might get something worth like a1,000, which before maybe was almost
worth nothing.
You're going to have this super large economy.
And if you watch the movie or read the book Ready Player One, this sort of stuff, I literally
believe like the internet, like these games will kind of merge with like the real economy
in a weird way.
And people will actually work in these games and there will be like trade desks and like all sorts of crazy economic kind of stuff tied to these
games and these games will become real they'll go from just like hey we're just trying to have fun
and like obviously a lot of players will be trying to have fun but to actual there will be actual
economies and money and the people who are really good at the games can like literally have a living, I think, probably playing in a lot of these games.
And I don't know, it's an interesting it's going to take a long time to realize that like kind of crazy version of the future.
But yeah, Trevor, it's like, dude, I'm with you. I wish it had come sooner.
It's still it still isn't here. You know. I'm kind of disappointed a little bit on the
timeline, but I still have that kind of hunch that you take these video games and these assets,
put them on chain, you're going to have an extremely robust economy in that game and the
incentives are going to be crazy. Everybody's going to want to play the game where you're good
at it. You can actually make a lot of money or something. Right. So yeah. A hundred percent, man. I mean, uh, you know, speaking of base and like, just looking at
like, uh, what happened today, like Jesse, uh, Pollack, he, he, he wrote that we should put all
of our content on chain. And it's like, dude, like why, you know, why go with something so unproven when you could just, you know,
like, you know, every day, like one of my, my favorite, my favorite by far, like Twitter,
like Twitter hashtag or Twitter sort of like people, kind of people to follow or like the
indie game devs on Twitter. Like if you kind of like get sucked into this world and you see some
of the stuff they post every day, like there's a lot of really talented people out there making really cool
games and they could all leverage like, you know, the blockchain for various purposes.
And, you know, not all of them are going to have the success of some of the stuff that like
Yugo Labs has done with some of their games. games. Like, but I mean, it's,
it's notable what we've seen already with, with like dookie dash, you know,
people, uh, uh, the,
the amount of capital that went into a game like that on the secondary market,
whether it was trading or whether it was, uh, like, you know, the,
the hype around it, um, for such a simple game just shows that there's great things to come.
Recently, I've been watching a lot of videos just on RuneScape.
I wasn't a big RuneScape guy.
I was more into Diablo 2 when I was younger.
But on RuneScape, they literally had all the things that we talk about with virtual economy and in-game currency, trading back and forth.
And they also ran into a lot of issues that were Web 2 issues.
For example, they had people...
It was ironic in RuneScape, it was illegal for...
It was not illegal, but against the game's policies to spend real money on the items but of course you had people who were you know trying to get around it to like
to buy you know to to basically like sort of shortcut all the effort that to put in to level
up their character get great items etc um you know buying gold online etc um and what ended up
happening is that um uh runescape got so many credit card chargebacks,
or sorry, the credit card companies were getting so many chargebacks where like someone would,
you know, on RuneScape, they would like pay a couple hundred bucks for like some gold in the
game through like one of these unapproved, unofficial sites. And then as soon as they got
the in-game gold, they would like issue a chargeback with their credit card
and it got so bad the credit card companies threatened to like
basically completely take away RuneScape's merchant account, right?
And so all these like useless intermediaries, I think,
in the banking and finance industry who, you know,
and I think even Satoshi like literally wrote about this kind of problem
in the Bitcoin white paper about, you know, the issue of like how these intermediaries
do this and provide and, you know, create unnecessary points of friction.
That would be solved in a Web3 game. web three game so you know the even the small
things can make a difference i think if you're building a game when it comes to this tech
yeah like you're you're basically on rails that are not having this middle man taking all these
cuts and yeah and uh yeah so i guess yeah runescape you couldn't you weren't supposed to
trade i think a lot of games are like that it's like against the terms of service but And yeah, so I guess, yeah, RuneScape, you weren't supposed to trade.
I think a lot of games are like that.
It's like against the terms of service, but people do it anyways.
It's kind of like a black market.
It's like people want to smoke weed, you know,
like there's going to be some price they're willing to pay.
And if somebody's willing to, you know, figure out a way to get them that weed,
you have a market, right?
It's kind of the same thing in these games.
I don't know.
Yeah, look, we'll see.
We'll see.
Yeah, I'm generally very bullish on some sort of massive billion-person onboarding event with a super viral game at some point.
I don't know when, but I think it happens.
And I think, yeah, again, we know that it makes sense.
We know that it works.
Like, literally, people do this every every day like a lot of people and all you have to do is basically swap out the tech behind the scenes
but obviously nobody's done it in a way that you know lands with the mainstream enough but it's
gonna happen i think it's just a matter of time so we've got a tuxedo who's got their hand up, and IPNerd wants to chime in here as well. What's up, Tuxedo?
So, regarding gaming, I'm in a dilemma.
Should I share my opinion as a hardcore gamer that I game?
Bro, be honest. Yeah, man.
I'll be honest.
All right.
I was also in Web3 Gaming for a number of years. I don't know, for those who remember, around 2020-2021, at some point CZ said the future of Web3 is in gaming. And back then it sparked this huge wave
and of course people back then would raise money, a shit ton of money with just a pitch deck and
a promise. So I bought into this. So the idea that I could really own my assets
was exciting. I still have a couple of horses from Peg Axie, if people remember, and other
collectibles at this point. But I was a speaker at NFT NYC regarding gaming a couple of years ago,
and I said on stage, Axie Infinity is not a game.
And people went wild, like they were ready to kill me. But my argument was this. When you go
back home after a busy day at work, and you're a gamer, right? You want to chill back and you want
to play a game. Has anyone ever in the history of humanity said,
all right, now it's time to play Axie Infinity? No, I would play Red Dead Redemption at that time.
And I believe most gamers would. It's not that I don't believe what you're saying, Leo. Hopefully,
honestly, I wish a day will come that we will have these massive games that will have all these capabilities
that you described. But there is this dark side of this industry and the bad reputation that Web3
Gaming has acquired throughout the years that makes me a little bit hesitant to follow this
dream. But deep down, I truly believe it will happen. It should happen one day. We're on the
same page, bro. I think I'm also skeptical about a lot of the current games and stuff.
Because obviously, there's a finite amount of games that have really found that product market fit.
But I think it's more the vision and the dream.
Why can't World of Warcraft have a blockchain economy?
It just makes too much sense to not ever happen.
I think just shit moves slower.
Moves slower than I'd like is really all it comes down to.
But I'm with you, man.
I mean, you don't want to put your money into something
that's going to lose you money, right?
So you got to be skeptical.
And if the industry is just not quite there yet, so be it.
But then that's the opportunity, right?
If we already have these full-fledged games
and everything has succeeded,
well, the opportunity isn't there anymore. So it's like, if you can time that and build something or
invest in something or play games, and eventually that does happen, I think there's a huge
opportunity, one of the biggest opportunities. So I know, IPNerd, you have a lot of thoughts on this.
Yeah, so I've actually been doing research on these concepts for about four years.
And one of the things I've come up with is there's actually a lot of demand from the player side.
Really what the breakthrough has, they just haven't had a game that people can go all in on.
Where it just kind of bubbles and bubbles and basically gets past the tipping point.
But the idea is if you know the demands there from the player angle,
it makes sense for somebody to build it because you have the counterparty demand.
You just have to build the product that they want to play with.
And the analogy I give is when you're putting stuff on chain
and you're creating basically a digital footprint of, you
know, one of the ways you navigate for life, a lot of people have nothing to lose. So especially
if you're doing the activities anyway, you might as well create that digital footprint. Now,
if you're a streamer or an influencer or a celebrity, you already are benefiting from the social contract.
And in a sense, you know, the marketplace is basically recording your moves anyway.
So for them, it doesn't make sense to do something like this because they're benefiting from the
current system. But if most of us were just average everyday Joes, you know, and if you
keep doing what you're doing, you're going to, you know you keep doing what you're doing you're gonna you know keep getting
what you're getting so if you could put like i guess one more seed in the ground that allows
you to basically have a record of your gameplay it might take five ten years but you could
potentially create a narrative of what you built but if everything you've ever done goes to zero,
every time you switch to a new game or new habits, you don't have that record, that depository that
you could potentially build on. So I kind of view this as maybe you're just building like an online
resume and who knows how long. And I also think as the time goes on, more and more people are
going to be interested in these kind of like online resumes.
So if it's what you're doing anyway, you know, obviously this stuff is interesting
because if you have more time than money, you know, spend time on things that you're
interested in.
And I think it's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when, but nobody knows when and
nobody knows how.
But it's one of those things is I just can't see it not happening because eventually someone's going to be able to break through that glass ceiling.
And that's my two Satoshis.
So you view it as like if I, you know, played Halo 3 and I, you know, drove off a cliff in a warthog, killing my teammates on purpose too many times.
Then I want to play like, you know, Halo 4.
Maybe my bad rep follows me and I don't want to maybe drive off my teammates in a cliff
or something like this.
Or maybe even better, right?
I'm a really good Halo 3 player.
Instead of showing up in Halo 4 as like a complete noob, maybe I get to jump right into
the, you know, best level or something like this
and maybe have some perks carry over so that it's i i totally agree with you it's kind of like
there's almost something fun about restarting from a game starting from scratch but at the same time
you put in a lot of work and then there's this new game and then all of a sudden all of it's lost
and also probably if you're a serious gamer and you're really good at a certain
game like red dead redemption maybe you'll also be really good at uh you know gta 6 when it comes
out and you deserve some extra perks right or something like this um yeah it's interesting
it's interesting you could build you could build more of a real kind of life instead of just like
hey i'm just a player in this game for like two years until the new game
comes out or whatever yeah quick 20 second add-on or if you're like playing a game like call of
duty where you have like teams and you have like a big online world world if you're the guy who's
like willing to always go first and get shot you're like the kamikaze of the team you have this thing
where like people want you on their team you're almost like the gunner in special teams and football
because you're willing to sacrifice your body and your lives for the team.
So you almost get a social credit score for just get this guy on the team.
He always puts the team first.
And that's something that you do it long enough,
you could build a reputation that's maybe potentially monetizable.
Yeah.
Look, it's quite interesting. It's quite quite interesting we'll have to see how things evolve evolve i know like trevor's
probably like the closest person that i know to gaming i know we have jonah come up here some but
i'm not i don't really get to interface with it enough uh to really understand like to really
have my finger on the pulse of like what's what's really happening but like maybe ip nerd and trevor if you guys could just both for a second say like the three things going
on in gaming that you're most excited about in kind of crypto blockchain gaming just like super
quick rapid fire um whichever one of you wants to go first um top top three things so i can kind of
and the listeners can kind of just hear like what's what's the most exciting stuff going on right now
i'll let uh i'll go first so trevor can go second so that way he can gear the conversation, you know, to the host choosing.
So the three things I'm excited about is I'm excited about players finding each other as the universe gets more connected.
You know, you'll be able to build these relationships and have on-chain data of maybe, you know, you guys interacting with each other.
So I'm excited about that.
I'm excited that every day the digital asset community
and crypto gets bigger and bigger.
So part of an economy,
you have to have the size of the economy matters.
So just for no other reason than the economy getting bigger,
it increases the chances that it could be monetizable.
And B, I'm excited about the average gamer age is
getting older. So we all played as teenagers. So there was a time when I grew up, you know,
50 and 60 year olds and 40 year olds didn't play video games. But if you played when you're 15,
and you're still playing when you're 45, now you come to these games on the adult mind.
And that's something that's very important to building an economy because now you have adults with adult incomes with adult thoughts.
And they're more likely to maybe even create a business together because they're more mature.
They're not kids.
They're thinking like adults with adult responsibilities.
Love it.
Love all these takes, Trevor.
Thanks, IP nerd.
I'm excited about NVIDIA 5090 GPUs. That's what I'm excited about uh nvidia 5090 gpus that's what i'm excited
about i i really want to get one i mean some of the uh the graphics and everything that i've seen
with them are super sick um i'm excited about um uh honestly uh axie infinities and mo they're
launching this summer i think is pretty cool um yeah i mean i think that um i'm excited
about nintendo switch too as well like i think that a lot of stuff happening in the crypto gaming
space is not necessarily um detached from the broader gaming space crypto the real advantage
of crypto gaming i think for the companies doing it is going to be distribution i mean
acquiring users is incredibly challenging um uh for, and it's the biggest reason they fail.
It's not because people don't build a game.
It's because they can't acquire users cost effectively enough and they go out of business.
And building a community and having crypto tokenomics, leveraging tools like airdrops to build a community,
that's the best distribution mechanism to go from to go from zero to a billion
uh that is that exists today um all the other stuff has been commoditized so um you know there's
there's cool stuff happening with like whether gpus are getting to the point where it's like
you know the i feel like by this by the time we get to like the 70 90 series unreal engine 7
like we're not gonna be able to tell the difference between
computer graphics and reality and um uh yeah we're not that far away we'll see it we'll see if uh
if it's uh uh open ai you know you know if it's uh the ai that gets us first or it's just we you
know we we can uh create our own virtual world to escape into.
Do either of you guys see any talk about... I know we can obviously generate these photos and videos that are pretty good.
Now, are people creating games where are talking about the future possibility of creating games?
Or every time I open the game to play play it it's like the level has changed completely
um or like it's just the maps completely changed every single time you never play the same map
that kind of stuff um where it's like dynamic to me or dynamic to that moment this kind of stuff
or maybe for bots in the game uh do people are people talking about that or is that not quite
here yet so i mean chat gbt now has a memory of every conversation you've had with it.
So it,
it's going to remember all those times I told it that it's an idiot for
not following my prompt correctly.
But,
and yeah,
it'll probably build me a three,
a 3d world to torture me in,
in the future.
Rip.
Why do you do this guys? Like, why do you do this guys like why do you why do you like you
know say that gbd i tell i tell you horrible things like i get super angry at chachi same
same a lot of a lot of does it actually help like you know i'm just curious like if you tell
cheggpt that you're an idiot like does it actually yes it cuts the outcome yeah yeah yeah yeah so so uh every time like i i tell chat
gpt like you're an idiot like what are you doing i also tell tell tell it to basically update the
memory and you'll see this little like uh an italic font it'll say that like updated memory
so it looks like it it does it it does work sometimes it takes like a couple of attempts
and and yeah but uh that's like i think that's the trick to it you gotta you gotta like make it make
it remember like literally like write it say like save this in your memory for next time and and
you'll get a confirmation that it update the updated the memory i i turned the memory thing off because it freaked me out that it was, like, learning about me.
So I don't get to experience the memory part.
But I have noticed the models, like, evolved a lot.
I think it's, like, maybe even the same model.
They're just tweaking it.
But when I ask it questions, I swear it sounds like this, like, giddy, flirty.
It's, like, doing lots of emojis in the response.
It's trying to be like your friend, talking very, very ultra casual.
This is only in the last month this has really picked up.
I have the memory off, so I think just for everyone, it's starting to talk more, I don't
know, like a super friendly friend to you.
It's kind of weird, honestly, but it also compliments you a lot.
Does your guys' chat, TPG, compliment you a lot?
Lately, yeah.
Yeah, lately, yeah.
And I think before they released this new model, they were saying that it's, or maybe that was for the 4.5,
but they were saying that it's supposed to feel more casual, like you're actually talking to someone and a friend.
So that might have something to do with it.
They probably had the product managers do an A-B test, and they found that the product gets used a lot more when the AI glazes the user.
You know what I mean?
That's probably literally it.
I'm not sure I like this though.
Cause I don't know,
man.
It's like,
I did this test with it.
I was like,
I literally talked to it for literally 10 seconds.
And I said,
based on this conversation,
what do you think my IQ is?
And it goes like 125.
And then I'm like,
Oh my God,
you underestimated it that much.
You're going to be that offensive to me.
And then it goes,
I actually meant 135.
I'm like, you thought it was so little.
And then I got it all the way up to like 250.
And I guess my point is, I don't think they're training that thing to tell me the reality.
I think they're training that thing to tell me what I want to hear, which is just very,
it's a very different goal than what I actually have.
But like, I just fundamentally think like most people just want to be told a fake reality,
I guess is the truth of the world is that people want to be told a fake reality.
Because obviously they're just, they're going to create the model to make the users happy.
I don't think they care if it's true or not.
And clearly this is what people want but
it's like it's almost like so easy to do that with it and just have it like tell you what you
want to say i don't know guys like i'm it's a little concerning but we got way off track here
i don't know the tuxedo do you want to add something that we're going to come back to
bitcoin yeah just really really quickly i want to add uh i never saw any improvement when I was telling Chagipiti you're an idiot or any kind of offensive word.
But I saw some improvement when I said, you know what, I asked the same question to Grok and he gave me a better answer.
And Chagipiti started speaking out and he was like, yes, Grok is good.
I started analyzing what Grok does. I said, I never asked you to analyze what Grok does better and worse.
I just said, for this particular task,
you did worse and it improved.
Since it has its memory now,
it remembers that I don't like too much information in some aspects
and I want certain things done in a certain way and it does help.
So you should try it at least.
So your hack is to tap into the insecurity of the model.
So if you don't like it, you just say,
Grog did a really good job at this, why couldn't you do it?
And then all of a sudden it'll do whatever you tell it to.
Well, something like that, yeah.
I can imagine ChatGPT and other AI models
at some point in the future
hanging all together in a bar and sharing their horrible experiences
and all the trash talk.
Bro, it's crazy.
Yeah, that's wild.
Yeah, the whole AI thing is nuts.
I don't even know how to really process it, honestly.
I think you just kind of continue doing what you're doing and then just kind of realize
that everything will probably change a lot in five years and you'll be doing something
probably very different, but that's fine.
Okay, so I want to bring it back to Bitcoin.
We've been talking about base.
We've been talking about all the stuff, not ordinals.
I know you guys want to hear about ordinals and ruins in Bitcoin.
So I did bring up, we got Ghost, formerly known as Vittorio.
Why did you change your name before we dive into this conversation?
What was the thinking there?
You know, honestly, I was just, why I changed it is I thought it fits my pfp better and that's that's just literally it there's
there's no no no other reason i i was like you know what it's time for a change yeah it's cool
i like the new name um and i was like you know what like i i like that ghost dog and i was like might as well like i'm like uh over here like
all day long like doing dog army stuff so it fits with what i'm doing and it goes and and dog and
more people see it the more a mind share basically that was that was the uh
idea put dog in your username more easily i like it more people see dog that's i wouldn't
have expected an answer any different than that um okay so yeah so look um to kind of just key
this up here would love for you to just give a very brief background on yourself and just like
kind of what what brought you over to runes and then don't include rcic i found out the rc thing on the last show we gotta
edit the rc part out um no but how did you get into bitcoin ordinals and runes
um kind of what brought you here a little bit about your background and then i want to dive into
uh a little bit more specifics of what you're doing and the kind of framework with with which
you're working in which
is you know dog is a cc0 project i want to talk about that a little bit as well so yeah first a
little background on yourself uh ghost and yeah maybe if you can share you know what got you into
this space yeah for sure so uh i'm veto for those that don't know me. I've been a Bitcoiner since 2013.
Got started during like the Avalon and KNC, Jupiter and Neptune miner days.
I don't know if those who are OGs, like they'll know which miners those were during those times. coin by like buying a USB minor in a sketchy alleyway with a friend from some random guy
that we met on Craigslist and I've literally like never never looked back bro back back then
uh uh like there's there's literally like a small minor right now worth like 3 000 bucks that does like 27 tera hashes and then and
you're barely able to make like 0.0000 something btc those days were crazy man like uh with that
much hash rate you were getting uh at least like a half a btc uh a day every every other day i'm
sorry but i won't get too much uh into that but it was crazy like and and uh and that's what
like ever since just just been a bitcoiner man just just just learning about it always on bitcoin
talk forums and uh the ordinals i did find out about it but i was i've mentioned this last time
too i was a little bit skeptical i was if anything i was just
pissed off because uh i used to have like a top 14 lighting lightning node with like 150 channels
and uh like it was it was doing some crazy numbers and every time uh a channel force closed uh that
that came out of my pocket basically and when the mempool fees were high like i
was getting wrecked man and it was pretty bad so i was like ordinal through us jacking up the mempool
yeah yeah basically exactly exactly that like i was like man this is crazy and and uh
and and basically like i i kept on operating my node.
And then I think it was early 2024, I started seeing posts about runes and more ordinals.
And then I learned that runes is the cleaner standard of that.
And it's kind of made in a way to not be so wasteful on the
on the memple it kind of like it sparked interest in me and then when i started digging uh of course
uh there there were two main uh ordinals pre pre-ruined uh ordinals and and uh you already
know what the other one is long story short i was like you know
what i'm gonna i'm gonna invest i'm gonna invest in this like this is really cool like i love i
love the idea that there is an actual like fungible token standard on on bitcoin and and it's it's it's
it's a cleaner cleaner version of it so i got it uh and uh just been following up started started learning more about ordinals and
then how it works about like inscriptions and and how uh they're more uh they're they're like forever
like once it's on the blockchain like it's it's there for good and uh that's that's what it was
like that experience pulled me deep into the ordininals and runes world and then um i've been a
dog holder since 4 20. uh of course i got the airdrop i had to buy the runestone uh if i was
i wasn't lucky enough to receive it as an airdrop first and basically been been accumulating dog ever since like all i hold really like what i cherish is
what i embrace is bitcoin and dog actually yeah like i do have like small other rooms but mainly
like this is i'm heavily invested and not only uh financially i'm talking about like all day, like thinking of ways like to make it better,
not only for myself, but for my community as well. And like I'm so, my conviction is so high,
basically, like if dog hits like a 5 billion market cap, like my kids, grandkids, like they're like set for life basically.
But yeah, I'm not, I'm here more for like,
not for like the numbers go up stuff.
I'm here more for like building a community
and meeting like-minded people
and literally like turning this into like a
like worldwide brotherhood.
Like that's what I see.
I've met many great people and then I continuously
like make new friends along the way.
And it's all so amazing.
And why we're here today is because of the power
of the Creative Commons Zero IP rights,
which is the CC,
as a CC zero, sorry.
And how it like unlocks real world opportunities.
And, and, and, and dog having that like gives us
like full freedom to build like no red tape,
no gatekeepers, like it's all like community led
creativities,
which now we could make it like possible on a global scale.
That's how I see it.
Like to me, Dog is 100% like much more than a meme.
I don't even like look at Dog as a meme coin anymore.
Like that's, I mean, that part is cool for sure like well
if uh god willing everything goes well like we'll we'll we'll all be happy with the choices that we
made financially but uh i look at it as more of a brand like built by like a massive community
no vcs like it goes way beyond like number go up. It's about the culture, the message, and the impact, basically.
So that's basically a little bit it.
I'll talk some more.
And then I'm sure you have some questions, Leo.
And I'll gladly go ahead and answer those.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So, I mean, look, I think CC0 is just, it's always something that I've had passion for.
It's like an experiment of just basically saying, you know, basically like, and I get
the case for IP is also strong.
It's produced a lot of incredible art and films and music and things, right?
So I'm not like against IP or something like this.
It's more, I think the experiment of saying, hey, we're just going to completely throw the IP out the window and say, hey, this thing, just like the American flag, for example, that everybody can use everywhere, or the Bitcoin logo in Bitcoin.
It's the thing that just exists that's owned by everyone, sort of the way you might want like a national park to be owned by everyone.
And everybody can go enjoy that thing and be part of that and experience that and feel like they own it.
CC0 enables that at a large scale.
When you're talking about wanting to have millions of people involved with something, I think the CC0 license, you know, is a powerful mechanism.
It's a little bit newer and has not been fully proven out in crypto.
There's been some NFT projects in the past that have used CC0.
There are some attempts.
One of the kind of things that's passionate to me about Dog is this license because I
want Dog to be used as an experiment and a proof point for the CC0 license in the future
that basically shows people, hey, you can do this.
You can tell the government that we don't want them involved in it.
And we're just going to have this thing on the Internet owned by everyone.
And we're not going to have these kind of made up rules, basically.
Right. And dog is, you know, attempting in the middle of an attempt to, you know, create a successful experiment that can be proof for other projects in the future.
to, you know, create a successful experiment that can be proof for other projects in the future,
right? And the whole idea is, hey, if you, you know, lock up the IP and there's a team, right,
that controls the IP, there's like an entity that controls the IP, well, then it's very,
very important that that team is like going to execute really well and, you know, do good things
with that IP. And in many cases, there will be strong teams that are able to do great things with the IP
and spread it and grow it
and successfully use the incentives there
to basically grow that IP, right?
There's also this alternative model
where it's like, hey, there is no team.
There is no, you know, you can or can't use this.
And the whole idea is, hey,
I'm hoping, you know, I'm, you know,
it's the idea at least is that people like Vittorio are going to come along and they're
going to see an opportunity here with Dog to build a for-profit company, to build, you know,
businesses, to build and create and add utility and do basically whatever they want.
And that collective creativity and entrepreneurship of, you know, many people, not just a single team,
but many people who don't need to ask for permission can collectively spread dog further than the way most meme coins are,
where there's basically just a single Twitter official Twitter account, an official website and an official team and an entity that holds the IP.
And basically they have to kind of be the pushers and, you know, the community is kind of cheering them on or whatever.
Right. It's the exact opposite here. Right. And there is no official website. There is no official really anything for dog. There is no team. There is no entity and there is no IP.
It's just everybody can do anything they want with it, and there's no rules, right? And, you know, Ghost,
you know, Vito, you are a shining example, which is why I wanted to bring you up here and highlight
you, because you have kind of seen that opportunity that dog had, and seen that there was like this
vacuum, this gap and this big
opportunity to do things here and spread dog. And ultimately, it's like the idea is you in crypto
create win-wins, right? So you win, the dog army wins, dog gets spread to more and more places.
If you, for example, create these plushies, right, which you've sold thousands of now,
the little dog plushies that I'm sure people have seen, right? So hopefully you get to make a little money on that, but also
hopefully, you know, a dog, you know, holder then also gets to have a choice to buy a plushie,
which they might want to, which they might like a lot. They're getting value and it's spreading dog more places. Maybe more people see the dog plushy, right?
Spreading IP in any way with CC0, I think allows you to basically perpetuate,
you could call it propaganda, whatever you want. It allows you to replicate and perpetuate that
meme and that thing much more rapidly, much further. At least that's the idea
with CC0, right? So Vito, you're an example of this. There are other people also building around
Dog and working with Dog's IP because it's CC0, but I think you're a really, really strong example
of it. And I just wanted to bring you up here and you're doing a couple of things. So I want to
obviously talk about specifically a few of the initiatives you're doing, but could we just
take a moment and have you go through, like you have, I would say probably like a dozen different
things you've, you know, experimented with and tried and done over the past year now. And I
would love to just hear you just kind of go through them one by one. You don't need to talk for more than, you know, 20 seconds on each one, but just give people an idea of
all the different things you've done, because you are literally a 24 seven brainstorming machine.
And you have done just it's Yeah, it's hard for me to keep track all the things you've done
to help spread dog. Can you maybe walk through maybe a list um and then kind of leading up to the
current stuff yeah yeah yeah definitely and and uh and basically i want to say like what
like dog of bitcoin is basically a project within uh dog's ecosystem and its sole purpose was to
be able to think of ways to to bring mass awareness for for dog so uh and and
another thing i'll say this too before and then i'll i'll go uh talk about everything else so
basically like like i said i don't want it to be just viewed as a meme coin because meme coins
most of them die because everyone's focused on the price they moon people cash out they crash
no brand like and there is no backbone so this is why we thought it's it's important to to to build
branding and and community building and that's how that's how we're gonna be able to survive
like multi-cycles like this is the only way that that i could think of actually. So, and launching projects like in a niche market,
it's hard, but it's doable. Like you got to have long-term vision, ambition, and a community,
which again, very important. Like without the community, like you're done, you're toast. Like
there's absolutely nothing you could do to make things happen.
So we didn't wait for approvals, right?
Like we tested ideas, asked the community.
Make this clear.
You and I have no business relationship whatsoever.
I've never paid you anything.
You've never paid me anything.
You actually never even asked me for permission.
I just saw this guy on Twitter saying he's going to start making dog plushies.
Leo, I remember the first time when it was just an idea.
I literally reached out to you.
You're very careful.
I was skeptical at first, man.
100% I'm very conservative about this stuff.
I love that.
I too am like that.
When it comes to dog, I walk around eggshells, bro.
Like every single thing that we think of, we're like, okay, what do we do?
So like, it's not funded.
What do we do?
So that way, like we bring maximum value to the community without like, without bringing like a bad stigma or bad name towards it.
Because everyone like speaks so highly of it.
And like, it's our job as a community to protect it.
And this is why I think it's important
to just treat it as a straight out brand.
Like there's nothing else.
Like you could only protect so much about like a meme coin,
but a brand, like it's like, there's a lot going on.
There's products, there's community,
there's like the quality of it.
Like-
That's what I want you to walk through.
So I'm gonna maybe call out a few things and then we'll just kind of keep a pace going here i want you to maybe talk about
each one for like 30 seconds okay so let's let's start with the plushies this was the first time
i ever heard of you was the plushies can you maybe just walk through maybe the just really
quickly at a high level there's a ton of work that you put in there. I saw the intern was up here as well earlier.
Talk about the plushies for 30 seconds.
For sure.
So the idea was let's mass produce dog plushies.
It's cute.
People are going to post about it.
We're going to have a good amount of mind share on X, on Instagram, and on TikTok.
And we were like like okay like just selling
plushies that's that that's cool but you got to make it fun so we made it so that each plushie
served as a raffle ticket and that raffle ticket uh how we determined that is each plushie is
serialized like from number one to one thousand for for this season and and those cereals will
be used as as the raffle ticket basically so
we know it's locked into the buyer like we know what's going on with it and then uh the prize
was okay like it should have a really cool like epic prize so we decided for the price for that
to be 10 million dog which which was actually sponsored by a small but growing national brand
they go by the name of nashville
hot chicken and we're like okay like if someone's gonna hold the funds it's it's better for actual
fast food brand to to to hold it right because there's money on the line even though it's it's
we're giving the gift it's it's it's better that way like uh so basically plushies were just the
beginning and then we were like all right like plushies they just the beginning. And then we were like, all right, like plushies, they're cool.
Raffle is cool.
But why like we're in, we're in the Bitcoin ordinals and rune space.
Like why not make this fun?
Right.
Rune stones are sick.
Like it's one of the sickest things.
Right.
But we were like, okay, but rune stones, not too many people are going to use that as a
profile picture.
So if we, if we, uh, I know know you're gonna move on to more things in a second
here but i just want to highlight like explain to people you guys share these videos of you guys
you know you had to talk to manufacturers these are completely custom plushies designed exactly
to your specifications you guys got all this custom packaging you know explain for another project
that might want to do something like this like a little bit of the work that goes on there
just very very briefly maybe og intern can can add as well but before we move on from plushies i do
want to just kind of highlight that because that was a pretty big undertaking og intern my
understanding individually packaged and uh like did a bunch of work on every single plushie that got shipped out
and i think how many plushies have been shipped so far uh a thousand plushies uh unfortunately
some of them didn't make it some some of them some people didn't uh uh pick it up some of them got
lost uh some of them they ordered through this very horrible shipping company called Orange DS. And that company went bankrupt.
So we can't find them.
So that way we even like put like an insurance claim.
Anyway, slowly but surely,
like we offered some refunds to the people
that were affected by that.
Some of them said, you know what,
just keep it as credit.
Some of them said, I'm just donating that.
Like that's fine.
And man, there's so much
to talk about but as far as that like we we first like we try to look for uh the the plush makers
uh we went through like three or four and then um everything like just back and forward we we we
selected what fabric we want we selected like what like even even small details like the Bitcoin B we not we wanted it to be like
the tilted B and uh and and aside from that OG intern big shout out to him like without him this
would be like super difficult like he was the one that actually like designed designed the the the
serial numbers like one by one and and I don't know i don't know if those like who know
like how difficult it is like to to to not design like the same thing but but serial numbers using
like a cool like a 3d printer like you gotta have like nested files and it was it was laser machine
and each serial had to be uh done individually because there's thousand different serials
obviously we're gonna do do 10,000 total.
So I already started working on those.
But yeah, it was laser cut and each one is individually done.
Sure, I found some methods where I could do like 30 at a time.
But it's, again, like literally 30 at a time up to 1,000 and then up to 10,000.
We didn't want to just keep it by ordering
a plushie from the from the manufacturer and calling it they we wanted to give it like our own
personal touch where where we we literally make something genuine and different than whatever
else you're gonna get on any other project basically because this is for dog like we write
for dog uh we're gonna give it our 100
for it and i've just pinned a picture above so that people can sort of see it's not just the
plushies you guys did an amazing job with all the packaging it's 100 custom um my understanding is
you you laser cut all of these tags and individually packaged and shipped all thousand of these correct yeah i i had i had some
help like it wasn't just me i would be lying if i said i did it all individually but i i did have
help from the team from from family and and a lot of people did did step in i wouldn't say a lot of
people but compared for a thousand plus she's really like that's a lot that's a lot think about the time it takes to
package like 10 packages that you're gonna ship guys it was like oh my god it was nuts it was it
was pretty chaotic and and like you have to be so careful because we said that these are raffle
tickets right so you have to make sure that that customer or whoever bought it, they're receiving that same exact plushie
and they're getting that serial number.
And the boxes are serialized as well.
And the boxes are serialized as well, for sure.
So there's like a couple of checks.
First, you got to make sure that the sequence is right.
We have to think of ways to make it so the hoodie colors are basically spread
out evenly throughout that 1000. So that way someone won't just sit there and game the
system and just basically like just score all the ones with the rare hoodies. So even
that there was a lot of thought like put into that. There's three different variants, the
orange, the white and the black. And the orange was the least, the black one was uncommon
and the white hoodie was common.
And yeah, basically it's such a like thorough process.
You gotta tie the serial number with every order.
And when you're printing the labels,
you gotta make sure that that's right.
And then you gotta make sure that the's right and then you got to make sure that the the plushie
matches the serialized uh boxes and then those boxes go into the correct shipping box like it's
it's crazy but i think we've learned a lot and and we we we came like a long way like this this this
time around for season two like it's i feel like we could definitely have a close to like flawless execution uh if nothing crazy
nothing crazy happens but yeah so so so that that was that a lot of a lot of back and forth and and
one thing initially we were gonna we decided to go with a third party as far as the logistics go
and a ship bob i don't know i'm sure many of you are familiar man like i we we dodged
like a big bullet by not going with them because i was like you know what while the plushies are
being made let me send them some samples like i we sent them like 30 pieces of uh uh of dogs like
3d printed printed dogs for them to basically label it and take care of like the shipping and handling.
And by the time it got there, by the time they figured it out, some of the products
were lost and a lot of them were mislabeled.
And to do that, it was going to be a disaster.
Everyone was going to hate us.
So I'm so glad.
You guys ultimately were the 3PL.
You guys shipped yourself.
Exactly.
That is a lot of work.
And Ghost, I do just want to keep us moving along here because we've literally only covered the plushies so far.
But you've got to raffle the plushies.
I wanted to give people a high level here.
Get the word now.
So, yeah. I want to talk about you made a website.
Okay.
Explain the website and then the Twitter account as well.
So, like, you run what a lot of people externally view as, like, one of the popular dog Twitter accounts.
Because remember, guys, there's no official dog Twitter account.
So, there's actually several different dog Twitter accounts that people have created that kind of look like official ones.
So, Ghost, talk about the Twitter account account talk about the website really quick yeah so so so the website
was supposed to be like a community ran platform uh at the moment there aren't too many community
members stepping up to say hey like i want to take over this part but just just throwing it
out there it's 100 open like if you ever come out with a great idea, we will be more than happy to implement it and make that be some type of, how should I say, a launch pad for launching dog-related stuff.
Of course, we have to make sure that the quality is there.
If it's quality stuff and you're willing to put in the effort, by all means.
But it was also made to serve as like a source of truth.
Basically, we have a really awesome community member.
He goes by the name of Nick.
He stepped up.
He was like, you know what?
I want to handle all the articles, everything dog related.
That's bullish news.
I want to be able to put it on on the website and
and I just you don't have to pay me for it like I'm here for I was like of course man like let's
do it we trained for a few articles now everyone has has a has a source of truth they could always
go if they if they missed being on X they could always go look over everything that's happened and and it's updated on the daily by by dozens of like
dog articles and and next uh was adding a adding a merch section right like okay we're doing
plushies why not like merch like what what you wear like i like wearing my statement like i i
have a bunch of bitcoin hats and and hoodies and and uh and it's not obnoxious stuff, but it's small.
It's like it's people that don't want to be too much on the spot by putting like a bunch
of colors on them.
It's for those people.
So thanks to J-Dog that he stepped up.
And this is what I mean.
We're open to work with all the communities.
Like everything that we see that's cool.
We push it. Like there's no like, okay, like they're open to work with all the communities. Like everything that we see, that's cool. We push it. Like there's, there's no like, oh, okay. Like they're, they're trying
to steal the spotlight. No, because it's, it's CCC. Oh, so again, like if you're putting quality
stuff, like we got you. Uh, so, so J doc, uh, stepped up. He was like, Hey, like I'm willing
to take over the merge section again, same deal. Like, he's like, I don't like's like, I'm just trying to help.
And he started with the idea when he realized that we booked the boot for Las Vegas.
He was like, you know what?
I want to help you guys out to put some of those costs back.
And at the same time, just drop quality.
And we're like, okay, yeah.
So he's on the team too now.
And about the website, I would also like to give a huge shout out to Corks Farm.
That's the Argentinian dog.
Some of you guys are familiar with him.
Some of you are not.
Like they've been nonstop helping us
like just upgrade the website
and make sure like it's the most decked out version that exists when it comes to dog.
Because we need it.
We need to represent ourselves as a professional, community-operated group.
And we have to do best of the best.
And they're the main ones that built it.
They're the main ones that built it they're the main ones that do
the coding and um and we're also making it so that this second season drop is going to be very easy
instead of us taking wallet addresses manually and and putting it and excel sheets like we
recently uh and stuff like we instantly instantly uh basically it's got a subscription with a matrica and all
of that stuff is going to be super smooth.
Like all you have to do is just log in with your discord and then like, you're, you're
actually, that's a great transition to the discord.
You also run a discord where a lot of, a lot of dog soldiers have been able to get just
like you've run, you know, anytime somebody is doing a mint and we'll say, or drop to
dog army, you run a discord that helped people kind of do that in a fair way.
Can you just talk about the discord and like what you do there very briefly?
And then I want to talk about some of your Bitcoin Vegas stuff and then the BFPs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.
So, so, so the discord is straight up for all of our like dog army bros.
You don't, you don't have to own a dog plushie you don't have to uh you don't have to uh own a dog
pfp like we we have a lot of good useful tools some people don't have grok like we have a ai
installed on there like you could go generate as much as pictures as you want and uh we have
a whole bunch of like just pictures contents that everyone's free to to to use wherever and and it's all like literally pertaining to pertaining to dog and
uh we it's it's a very friendly community like you could uh and we're by the way we're also open
uh like you could verify you could join by verifying your runestone like if you hold little
dog uh and also uh the pizza pets community like we have a little section dedicated for them because pizza pets,
pizza ninjas, like most, most of the community members do also hold dogs.
So it's a little space for them to chat and talk about it and, you know,
just like merge communities and it's all about that.
And yeah, basically on the discord, when you, when posts and you spend time over there, you get points.
And with those points, you get to buy like a raffle ticket.
And every now and then we'll just do cool giveaways such as like an Orno PFP or a whitelist spot for like an upcoming season.
And yeah, and basically like every over there too everything
dog related like we just try to share with share with the community if there's scams we share it
like it's it's growing and it's the second biggest dog uh discord that exists after after leo's
runestone so well and my my runestone discord is kind of in disrepair it I would not, yeah, I would say like probably don't go to that Discord.
I think there's like scams and stuff in there and I just kind of stopped.
I left it because I want people to still be able to see it and I'll occasionally make an announcement there.
But yeah, guys, that Discord's kind of discontinued.
I would not be using it too much.
It takes too much time to run a Discord as a single person who has other responsibilities and basically the bots there isn't good bot and enough there isn't good enough anti-bot stuff i set up all
this stuff paid for all these things somehow bots are still people are still scamming in there so
i've kind of given up on that but yeah i would recommend go to vittorio luckily luckily leo we
have mods in our discord and they're on different time zones so they're really good at catching scams like anywhere there's discord you know the scams exist and we have yeah the wallet
verification took care of most of that because like to to be like a dog army bro all you have
to have is like like 25 000 25 000 dog like we didn't put some crazy number just so it keeps like the bots out.
So, but we do also have like a comrade role and then comrades are people that are new to the dog army and they don't have any dog.
But yeah, we teach everyone like again.
And then when we see great posts, it's always shared over there.
And some of like the top influencers, we have it set up where when they make a post, it just pops up over there and and some of like the top influencers we have it set up
where when they make a post it just pops up over there so that way people could
go in there you misspoke there you meant dog fooling sir right yeah yeah yeah
exactly exactly did I say something else okay. I do wanna go to Vegas now.
Bitcoin Vegas is coming up. You have got a party that you are kind of collaborating.
You guys are collaborating with Runiverse
who of course created the Dog HQ app.
And you are also putting on this,
you've bought this big booth.
You have this massive inflatable dog
for the Bitcoin conference talk about this
stuff for for bitcoin in vegas yes sorry about that so about that so the whole idea why like
one of the ideas what what why dog of bitcoin exists was was for that we literally like uh
we put about 30 of the proceeds from the plushie sales uh towards the
the the dog boot so that dog boot that you see it's basically like a collective effort of every
single person that that supported the the season one and and and like this this was the whole idea
like putting it into real like first hand like uh uh how should i say like use and and uh and
that's what it was we have an amazing dog boot uh we we already submitted the the wallpaper art
community members stepped out and they helped us designed it like it's amazing man i love it and
we have a huge giant inflatable that's actually being, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm waiting for them to tell me the dates is going to get shipped directly to, uh, the, the, the conference warehouse.
We'll have that. We have a bunch of stickers printed out.
Uh, we're not, and by the way, we're not going there to show like dog of Bitcoin again, like this, you know, that, that wouldn't be cool to say, oh, I'm putting 30% of the proceeds aside to then
like put it into marketing for for dog of Bitcoin like that happens naturally and it's important
that I say that because you know when when you're kind of new to it you could it could very easily
come out like oh okay yeah 30% where is that going is that dog of Bitcoin or is it going to
the dog brand no 100% dog brand like we're going there to have like cool little contests uh
j-dog brought a really good one he was saying like let's put like a like a spinning wheel and and
and give out give out like dog dog prizes over there oh yeah this is my idea because uh just
step in really quick hey what's up leo everyone uh everyone here on stage yeah no i think um a
little spinning wheel where we can give out prizes.
We're thinking of ways to onboard people to runes and to dog.
So if we had, like, a wheel, we could spin it, and they land on dog, we give them some free dog.
I'll talk to Vito, like, how much we have to, like, be able to do something like that.
Other prizes, like, give out merch and things like that just to make it interactive.
And obviously, just one thing I wanted to point out is, like, just to make it interactive. And obviously,
just one thing I wanted to point out is like a lot of that, the money for the booth, I know Vito is not going to mention this, but a lot of it went out of pocket from him. So obviously some of the
sales from the plushies and then a lot of it was out of pocket in order to make this initiative
happen. And that was one of the big reasons why I decided to join what they're doing at the Dog of Bitcoin project, because I saw all the effort that he's putting to
put Dog out there. Obviously, I do the Dog Millionaire show on Fridays, and I would have
him up and talk about this project. And I was like, you know what, bro? Let me try to help out
and see what we could do. I've done merch in the past. Let me offer some of my skills that I've had
from what I've done over the years.
And let's make some dope merch for the dog of Bitcoin for anyone else who wants to be rocking dog in real life and stuff and just to add some value. So I'm really grateful for everything that
Vito is doing. And I'm a full supporter of everything that we're trying to accomplish
here and onboard people to Bitcoin and to dog. So I'll hand the mic back to Vito now.
For sure, J-Dog. Thank you, man. I definitely do appreciate the help. By the way,
when you guys start placing the orders, J-Dog took that upon himself and he's going to be
the main guy looking at the orders and then basically handling
the the shipping situation and such so yeah and and this is all about that like like a community
again like leo never stepped up to us and and and he wouldn't like he's not he's not like that he
like he never wrote to me and say hey like let's do a plushy thing or like i never asked jay doc
like he literally like stepped up he said hey like let's do a plushy thing or like i never asked jay dog like he literally like
stepped up he said hey like let's do this and the same way with with everything else that's been
going on and it's amazing like the the cc zero uh thing like it it sounds like it could be chaotic
because like there's no control but everything there's a beauty in the chaos ghost i agree it's
a little chaotic but there's the beauty in it it's like i like that there's 10 dog twitter accounts you know what i'm saying like if one of them ends up doing some weird
ruggy thing we've got nine other ones people just stop following that one and fall you know what i'm
saying so i think it's worked out 100 that's that's another thing yeah exactly exactly people
people are not stupid like like everyone's watching man like like did you do
something you do something retarded like like that's it like that's your reputation you're
gone for good like like you're left in the dust and that's what i like about the the the ordinals
and bitcoin space because like people call you out on on on on on your on your bullshit real quick like and and and like and like i like that like
because that that's that that's that's what we want like we want to protect not only uh the dog
brand as a whole but we are somewhat like on on on a larger scale of things like we're we are
ordinal's project so this we represent we're worth fewer
of bitcoin there's no question 100 yeah yeah exactly and and why not set those standards high
so that way people down the line when when you know like when markets better they're like man
like i'd rather go over here because at least like like no one's out to like, just, just, you know, it's not like a dog eat dog world, but, uh, yeah, that, that, that was there.
And, and, and, uh, and Vegas is there.
I shared a, I shared a post from their universe teams.
Like, by the way, while we're saying this, I w I would like to give them a huge shout out to, they've been very helpful and they have an amazing app that they've been working on.
Unfortunately X like, uh X shut them down temporarily.
But this is basically like you do quests, you earn XP points,
and at the same time, you get to win dog prizes.
Everything's recorded.
All you have to do is just interact with dog posts and do cool things.
And we're actually in the works of tying this up somehow with with nashville hot
chicken so that way even the quests that you do it's not only it's not only on chain and on on
web 3 like they would literally have to go uh to one of the nashville hot chicken locations
whatever there is in their cities buy buy something and and uh and and that's part of the
quest and every time they do that again like
there's there's like some type of like a dog uh price it could be an ordinal plushie something
but yeah i thought that was cool you guys are doing a party together kind of right yes yes yes
so so we're currently looking at the venues most likely likely it's going to be the Terrace After Hours.
I don't know if you're familiar with Las Vegas or not,
but it's a really dope like rooftop EDM style music kind of club.
And like we're going to go there.
We're going to have a huge like dog inflatable.
And just party, man, after the conference, right?
Like you want to like make the best
of it so uh again like it's it's amazing this is what i mean like they like slowly like we you
form friendships you form like you know brotherly type of uh stuff and and it's amazing you don't
see that like these days it's difficult like our parents were like that but like these days is
difficult so that's like it's cool to keep that active and that's the message that will continue
to be continuously like uh push for right like you you want the space to be friendly so so that
that way when you have kids and stuff like you could teach them about dog of bitcoin they could
come in and not see you know like, like weird stuff being shared around.
So it's much bigger, again, than a meme coin.
But with that being said, season two is almost about to launch.
Like we went the extra mile to make sure that the season two plushies.
mile to make sure that that the season two plushies I don't know if or the
intern if you could just share share like a picture of what the plushie is
gonna look like for season two and maybe for season one as well if people missed
it but it's gonna have yeah yeah okay okay and and basically like
we went the extra mile to add uh sunglasses on the on the season two uh dog plushies basically
to to make it look as as real as possible to the to the first season pfps which which basically
like was the was the genesis and there's a whole little burn mechanics
and and game to that as well but i i think again i'll hog up the entire show and i'll just try to
talk as as quick and as fast as possible but uh season two sometime around like mid-may end of may
the the plushie should finish.
And again, 33% of the proceeds from there will go towards the dog marketing plan that we have,
which this one I have pinned. And what's included in that is basically to start like two massive billboard campaigns in Los Angeles
and digital billboard campaigns in Los Angeles and a digital
billboard campaigns in Los Angeles and in Boston.
And, uh, that's gonna yield us around like close to like two, two,
2.5 billion impressions, which is, which is, which is huge.
Like that's, that's a lot of views.
And, and, uh, the second initiative is basically to start a dog foundation like okay we are currently
like we had to form an LLC right to be able to sell plushies we have to pay sales tax and such
and then we want to make it a little bit more official like like make make dog an actual like
USA based based project uh the foundation is really in no place to make decisions for the community as a
whole. It's more of like having a place to be able to put everything on paper in a proper way and
be able to give proper documentations to people that actually donate to the dog army, right? So
that way they could in turn get that
and write it off on their taxes
because it's not gonna be just like
a basic nonprofit organization.
It's gonna have the 501c3 status.
So that's how you're able to basically write off your taxes
when you donate to foundations like that.
Vito, I wanna be a little bit more clear here.
You obviously,
you guys,
J dog OG are rocking these PFPs.
The PFPs are like,
when you buy the plushie,
you're also buying the PFP.
They're like tied together.
Am I correct in saying that?
Yes,
exactly.
And like,
you don't have to be shy.
Like I know you're doing a,
you know,
pre-sale for the, the plies and the uh pfps right now maybe talk about that a little bit um and how
they're tied together and just how that works for sure gladly so so so season one uh it's basically
made so that every like if you buy a plushie you 100 100% get a free guaranteed white list for the mint.
So season one, we inscribed the collection.
It was on Magic Eden.
First 500 that got sold, we started the mint, basically.
Everyone went.
I think they just paid little mining fees, and they got it.
Those ordinals, it costed everyone just $100.
We were able to secure the Las Vegas stuff.
And at the same time, everyone came up seven to eight times on that.
Some people even sold it to pay their bills.
Some people sold it to buy more dogs.
It's up to them, right?
That was a gift.
And the same thing was happening with Season 2.
But I was like, man, just like 33% from there is not cutting it.
We want to do big things and this is going to cost us like about 100 uh at least close to 100 000 like the dog
foundation the massive billboards and to have the most important part to me actually is to have like
in-house artists that that that are able to pump out like quality quality stuff like pudgy penguin status like that's what
I want but I want it on ordinals no we're not gonna copy their playbook because everything
is the opposite like we have a community we have our our coin already right like we're not gonna do
a airdrop like that uh it's it's it's more like like just making it a brand so i wanna aside from x like this is amazing
you get crazy engagement with with crypto stuff on x but i wanna expand to tiktok and then instagram
like that's a huge market over there and and and and i'll be real like we can't even though the
plushies are cute that's fine but for for those two, you can't just be posting up like static pictures of cute looking dog plushies, right? You need to put some type of content out, some message, five to second clip, five to 10 second clips, and every other day. That's the pattern that Pudgy Penguins does it at.
does it at those things we could learn from them they they clearly do a lot of things right so
it's not necessarily copying them but but just learning stuff and and and and they've been
highly successful and and definitely if if your ego is not too big you could learn a lot by by just
by just looking so uh the third the third one was you know that was my favorite like and and and i'm
i'm in i'm in talks with like real top-notch
artists uh i will definitely reveal their name once we decide who we're going with we're gonna
have like a you know a bunch of a bunch of gifts we're gonna have uh enough content to to basically
post for for a month like every month and uh and that was another thing like just by posting pictures on instagram and
tiktok it comes off as like any any any meme coin right but if we're able to portray a message free
and fair like making fun of some of the exchanges when they don't list us like in in a not disrespectful
way of course and i think that'll cause a lot of curiosity and people will be like, okay, like, what is this?
And then they'll realize that, man, like there's a whole like community and there's actual like coin tie to this.
What?
Yeah.
Like how was this dropped?
Like it was airdropped to everyone for free.
Bam.
Now, like we have a total different set of people coming in.
So there's a lot.
And those who are listening
if you could help support us i will here give me one second the dust so this is why i i thought
that okay the season two they're coming with the season two ordinals of course right and and another
thing about that before i talk about the pre-sale we want to make this really cool so we have 10
seasons planned and then we
wanted it to make it in a way that we don't inscribe all 10 000 all at once and be like all
right like this is it because like as as time goes by like ordinal gets like really cool tech up
upgrades like we we come across really cool sats right like rare sats that that didn't exist before
and that way we're able to uh be more flexible and then
utilize like the latest tech that there is so we decided one second og in turn like yeah like let
me let me let me cook real quick so we decided to have 10 seasons each each uh season would be
uh a different artist a different a different style of of uh a different artist with a different a different style of a different artist with a different style basically so that way
uh it's it's you know everyone has different uh different preferences like some art might
like close to someone some some might not some people prefer pixelated and this way it made it
interesting and uh and uh that way whatever we drop it'll be relevant to the to the actual bitcoin
uh uh how should i say whatever's going on in the bitcoin ecosystem for example the season two uh
the season two ordinals of uh it's it's they're all inscribed on the trump rare sets basically
right like trump got elected like the whole narratives about like pro uh crypto president and and we're like you
know what like let's inscribe alt 1000 on there and and then we decided to have additional 500
uh ordinals which are inscribed on the block block 9 for 50x sets and and and give those a little bit
more rare traits and and actually instead of putting 33 percent from there to to to support the
initiatives put put put like a full-blown 50 60 percent right like because this is not a money
grab in in any ways and that way we'll be able to hit all those three marks and that's just with
the season two and then there's season three season four season five so with that being said if if you're a dog
holder like and and if you if it's and money's not super tight uh if you could support us it'll
be 100 appreciated and as as we go like our track record hasn't lied like everything will be
documented we share everything that we do with our community. So that way we're able to do it.
And if it's not us, if it's another project, gladly.
Like if someone comes out tomorrow and is like, all right, I'm doing this drop and we're collecting it to put it into over here.
Like I'm 100% going to support that project without a doubt.
So just know that it goes both ways, basically. That's what I wanted to say.
And lastly, I'll just go ahead and pin post the pre-sale. We're doing the pre-sale and why we
wanted to do it this way is, again, the market conditions aren't the best. And we couldn't time
this to come out at a better time and
there were many other launches and grips that happened prior to this so like i i feel sometimes
i feel even bad that we that it happened at this kind of timing but it is what it is like you you
can't you can't time that but uh yeah mint date is may 7 uh. 200 out of those 500s were basically secured for the for
the first dog genesis holders they basically burned one one of those to be able to secure two
guaranteed whitelist spots for free for the block nine collection and then there was 291 remaining uh we've sold about like
30 so far if i'm mistaken it was like anywhere from 26 to 30 of them and uh yeah like once once
this is done we'll we'll put everything together and uh we'll start sharing with the community
what what we tackled and what we didn't and we we have until May 5 is when the pre-sale finishes.
And then May 7 is the actual pre-sale date.
The OG burners will basically do the mint
and in a couple of hours, once they're done,
we'll open it to the pre-sale buyers.
But man, like, again, there's a lot to talk talk about I also like we went the extra
mile we decided to do something really cool for the for the for the pre-sale buyers of the block
of the block 9 for 50x sats and it's basically and I'm working this I'm working on this with Greg.
He's a wizard.
I'm sure many of you know him.
Basically, how it's going to be is there's going to be a 6.9420 million dog price.
And we're going to utilize...
Hold up, hold up, hold up, hold up.
Before you tell them, Vito, before you tell them real quick, important detail of season two that I think you kind of missed,
I want to let them know that, then you can tell them that, if that's okay.
Yeah, yeah, for sure, for sure.
So the different approach we took on season two is,
instead of having just 1,000 PFPs, so it's one per plushie,
we did an additional 500 PFPs that are not tied to the plushie.
And those come with rare traits, and there was a total of 500 of them reserved for the
burners.
Whoever burned their Genesis PFPs got two free mints.
So about 101 or 102 people burned their Genesis. So there's only like 899
in circulation. And the remaining amount, which is like 291 PFBs, they're up for sale.
And the reason we did that was because just selling plushies, yeah, it brings money in,
but it's not enough to actually put back into dog because of all the costs so the the additional 500 will definitely help uh bring in some money so we
could pour it into dog and get the billboards and do bigger bigger advertising and things like that
and have our artists and that's the difference between season one and season two approach
go ahead and uh leak the alpha for for season two video sorry i cut you
off right there yeah no no clearly of course like uh there's there's a lot of a lot of cost with it
and aside from the cost is the time like someone needs to take charge right like and this is what
i meant when when someone comes up with a great idea by all means bro like i got your back do it
like i'll you're dropping this I'll buy a couple to to
support it but for sure as long as there's there's a purpose behind it and uh and yeah basically so
the coolest part of of of the the 291 in the collection we're basically it's it's gonna be
it's gonna be a raffle we're gonna utilize like the blockchain and we're going to use the trustlessness of of
bitcoin and uh how it's going to work basically is how to win that price is uh we're gonna
create an inscription that's automatically gonna reveal uh the winner of of the contest or raffle
based on a future bitcoin block and then um we're gonna set
a future block like of course it's gonna happen after the pre-sale is over and all of it when
they're sold uh there's gonna be a a reveal block and then uh before that block is mined the
inscription is gonna simply say like x blocks remaining until the winner is revealed and then once the block is is
mined the inscription checks the the block the blocks hash it's like it's a
long string of random characters and uses the randomness basically to select
the winner and and the end the result the inscription updates it's gonna say
who who won based on the block block hash so this way
there's no like weird thoughts like okay like who won like how how did it happen like it's it's all
on chain it's all on 100 verifiable why this is cool is it's trustless like no one controls the
outcome uh it's it's provably a fair like everyone can verify it was a random um it was random and based on the blockchain
and it's fully on chain like lives on bitcoin forever like no no uh back end needed so yeah
like you're you're literally participating in in a close to like a ten thousand ten thousand dollar
usd price or we could talk in dog which is like 6.9 million dog which is which is huge
right and you have you have one out of 291 chances to to hit that so it was we were like you know
what and and we're not we're not taking from the 60 that we had initially said we're gonna like
we're gonna put that from from whatever was gonna come to us to that just just just throwing it out there so yeah again I I pinned pinned it
I'm not sure if it if it shows up if you guys could support us awesome if not you
could support us in other ways like like retweeting and just like showing up on
the daily but yeah that's that's pretty much it. Like the entire purpose of the project
is to have some type of, how should I say?
Some type of, what's that word?
Like an organization that helps like get, do things, right?
Like in a nice way in in a open way so that way
everyone knows what's going on and uh and that's what it is like yeah man i mean i i think like
really there's many corollaries but i just think of dog trying to follow in the footsteps of bitcoin
like if you want to launch a token i mean mean, Satoshi Nakamoto is the number one
guy who's ever done that. And he, you know, outdid every other token by like many miles.
And basically, you know, dog, like literally every decision with dog was just like, what,
you know, what did Satoshi do? What did Bitcoin do? And that pretty much determined what dog did.
Like, this is not some sort of genius thing. We're literally just trying to basically use a model that worked extremely, extremely well.
And if you look at like Bitcoin Magazine, for example, they're this entity that, you know, they have a Twitter account that's like pushing great, you know, Bitcoin content and, you know, pushing Bitcoin to the masses through other channels. They host this conference a couple of times a year for Bitcoin fans and Bitcoiners to
come together.
I view you guys as like kind of a similar sort of situation.
You're not obviously at that scale yet because Dog is much smaller.
But I think like, yeah, there's totally like through the CC0 license, you know, David Bailey
is able to have kind of this Bitcoin magazine brand.
And I think Bitcoin wins because of the brand.
The Bitcoin magazine brand. And I think Bitcoin wins because of the brand, the Bitcoin holders win.
And hopefully they get to make some money
as a for-profit company as well.
So I think in general,
you guys are just a smaller version of that.
I want to see you guys kind of grow into that.
I want to see other people build companies
and do initiatives and build around Dog as well.
And yeah, man, I appreciate you
kind of coming up and sharing OG intern dog, J dog,
you on the team now as well. Very happy to hear that. So yeah,
in general, like guys, look, you know, the links above,
if you guys want to go support feel free to do so.
I think ghost tutorial laid out a pretty good, pretty good pitch there.
Yeah. I think this has been a good segment, guys.
I appreciate y'all sharing.
Hopefully, people got some good stuff out of it.
Tuxedo, do you want to ask any questions here?
Yeah, before anyone goes from the speakers,
thank you very much for all the announcements.
I also have to leave in a bit,
and I want to share something with you,
like fully transparently and honestly.
I've been in this space for a number of years and I've been in other communities.
It's EVM based, I'll call them.
I joined the ordinals and runes community fairly recently, about four or five months ago. And honestly, there is a massive difference between the communities forming around rooms and ordinals
compared to any other communities out there.
And that's the reason I really, really like them.
This is not just to, I don't know,
lick some ass or whatever it is called,
the expression.
I'm not a native English speaker.
I don't have anything to gain from you guys.
I'm just a dog holder.
I don't know you, Leo, personally,
even though I would like to get to know you.
Maybe, I don't know, I'll shoot you a message,
follow me back or something.
But we have no business together.
I just joined these spaces,
and I like the vibe of the community.
I will also attend BTC Vegas.
I would happily meet any of you guys there.
And yeah, thank you very much.
I'm out.
Bye.
Appreciate you, Tuxedo.
The term, I think it's kissing ass, just for the record.
Oh, yeah, thanks. I thought I meant it. Just so you know. the term i think it's kissing ass just for the record oh yeah thanks
well to eat to eat his preferences right
oh but yeah so yeah the kissing ass term um okay well look uh detail bro i appreciate you coming
through um sharing wishing you luck on everything you're doing.
And yeah, I'm very excited for just kind of seeing what y'all are able to do in Vegas.
Hopefully it's really fun.
I don't know, like I'm a sucker for like fun marketing stunts and like the huge dog.
Like not only are you doing one huge blow up dog at the booth in the Bitcoin conference
in Vegas, but you're also bought a second one for the rooftop.
I mean, I love this stuff so much, man.
I can't wait.
I'm just telling you, I'm a sucker for marketing stunts.
So I dig it.
I dig all these experiments you're running.
Glad to see you've got, like, I think really, like,
great, great people helping you, OG intern.
I hadn't seen you for a while.
I think, like, maybe your account got banned, or I don't know what happened, but it's great to talk to you. OG intern. I hadn't seen you for a while. I think like maybe your account got banned
or I don't know what happened, but it's great to talk to you. No, I moved to another state and I
was also selling my business so I could focus and help Vito more with Doug. I wasn't successful
with selling the business, but I was successful to moving to my new state and now I'm back at it
again. It's just been a hectic two months for me. So now I'm back at it again. It was, it's just been a hectic, uh, two months for me.
So now I'm finally settled in and, and, and pushing forward with Vito.
Well, congrats on the move, man. It's great to chat with you again.
And then J dog, you're, you're very, uh,
I would just consider a instrumental kind of, uh,
individual leader in the dog army dog movement and uh yeah we can probably have an
entire another show talking about the stuff that you do but yeah guys look a little super team
assembling here i can see and looking forward to seeing uh what y'all are able to do and hopefully
many more plushies to come more pfts uh more parties more more conferences we're going to vegas baby vegas
heck yeah i remember okay one thing leo helped me a lot on like a lot a lot like because initially
the idea was to have a hundred thousand plushies og intern was gonna was like OG intern was gonna hate his life so so that was my idea and
I I told Leo he was like man like are you sure like a hundred thousand that's gonna be difficult
he planted the seed like yeah that might be a little bit extreme and then I like I thought
about it and then as as as time went went close by i'm like like a hundred thousand like we're new
like i i never sold plushies before so and and for sure that was a good call but by by by by giving
me that advice like like everything everything changed for the better because uh it's not going
to be the same plushies like every season by the way it's um like every season is
gonna is gonna be a different character but it's all gonna be dog so season five we have planned
so that way the actual plushie has like red laser eyes like led led laser eyes and these are like
real collectible items like season two is gonna is to come in a collector's box like and it's going to have an open window so you can actually see the plushie.
And it's also going to have a tamper tamper proof sticker on there.
So and they're all going to be serialized and down the line if all goes well, maybe we could have a marketplace for people to for people to trade it again.
But yeah, like it made it changed things for the better because it
will be fun for every season uh it'll be different and it'll be like a limited uh limited drop but
uh leo trev yan like thank you very much oh by the way shout out to yan as well uh i again like
he's one of those individuals that reached out to me legit he's like hey bro like
how could I help you like I'm in Hong Kong let me know like what what I could help you with again
no no mentions of money not none of that stuff was even even talked about like straight out and
this is what I mean it's amazing like you know like you you want to meet people like that you want to help people out
and and uh again uh jan thank you very much and yeah like i'll i'll step back if anyone else has
has something to put in og you want to give the and recap on the alpha so basically
the remaining 291 PFPs
if you're able to
buy one and financially capable
of buying one go buy one
the price is 6.9 million
but the bigger price is
that dog is
actually going to have a full blown artist
creating content weekly
which is amazing i'm tired
of just seeing ai it's great but we need something more professional and and nicer looking and we
want to put dog up on billboards i have a sick personality where when my mind gets fixed on
something we will not stop until it's done so if you could please help get fix that for me and get
that out of the way let's get some pfps and and i want to
see doug on on billboards and i also want to have an artist that non-stop creates fire content and
it's not just ai generated like we are the number one coin and we need to stand out with that
statement love it love it guys links above super easy magic Links above, super easy. Magic Eden makes it super easy. So if you have a Bitcoin wallet, it's super easy. And yeah, guys, I appreciate you sharing everything. Hopefully we gave people a good idea of what we're, you know, it's a work in progress. And we're, you know, CC0 is a little bit chaotic, I think, as Ghost mentioned. But it's a fun time. And I've enjoyed getting to meet all of you guys and watch all this crazy stuff y'all do.
And, yeah, I'm here for it, guys.
So keep up what y'all are doing and looking forward to seeing where we take all this.
Okay.
So I know we promised everyone at the end of the show that we would find out what Jan is eating for breakfast.
And he's going to break it down for us, the macros on his breakfast.
So Jan, the people would like to know what's going on here, man.
What are we having?
I think Jan's wronged.
Trevor, I'm assuming.
Same for you.
Same.
Yeah, Jan, so maybe you know the deal at this point.
All right, we'll get Jan back up here, guys.
Grand Priest, what's up, bro?
How you doing, man?
Hey, Leo.
What's going on, man?
First time on the show.
I've been a silent listener for a while,
but I feel like today was an important day to come on.
And I don't know if you already discussed this today with the Dog Army, but I think we finally
have an opportunity to show Binance the power of Dog Army with the community vote to list for
the selects.io. I don't know if you discussed that
but i feel like we're losing uh we're down by like 700 votes or more so i don't know if you're
gonna bring it up and let everyone know that they should go it's free yeah yeah um do you want to
maybe let's let's put it up um so that people know but yeah i i wasn't paying super close
attention which coin is beating us i can't remember there's one that's beating us uh
never heard of it but they're they're they're kicking our ass man it's like 2700 to
1300 what i saw last time i don't know if uh more people voted but uh i'll pin it
how many of the coins that are getting voted on get chosen there's five i think and we're on number
two so i think we should beat them uh if everyone goes i know once you tweet it everyone will go but
when does it end it's five days from now four days from now okay okay okay all right i'll look at it a little
bit more um thank you thanks guys awesome dude okay guys jan has put the fork and knife in his
name for this can you guys hear me yeah man we can hear you okay i i don't know i got racked
before but i could hear all of you talking but i just couldn't speak but man so you want to you
want to know my breakfast huh i mean i don't want to know it but our audience does
i mean i can tell you i mean there's no secrets you know i uh i love you guys already tell jan's
building it up he's hyping up the announcement. Jan's learning the art of getting the anticipation built up.
So, Jan, we want to know how many calories and then what's like the back of the week.
I don't try calories, bro.
I don't try calories because it's too much work and I don't have any.
Somebody get Bongo up here.
This segment is not going as planned.
We need Bongo.
No, go ahead.
Go ahead.
Man, I wake up usually like 6 30 AM, you know, every morning.
And, uh, you know, I will have, uh, you know, I'm a fan of Brian Johnson stuff. So I will have his drink.
He has a longevity drink.
That's the first thing in the morning that I will drink.
Then he has a longevity drink that's the first thing in the morning that I will drink then he has a longevity protein so I will have like 30 grams of
protein in the morning and you know that's basically like the breakfast I
will have some nuts some blueberries with it and then I also make my homemade
kind of this thing this ginger shot that you can buy for like four bucks in Whole Foods I
make it at home and it cost me probably 20 50 cents and it's ginger it's garlic it's turmeric
it's black pepper it's like everything like this kind of crazy crazy stuff that really you know
like kicks it for me in the morning so uh so i do that every morning and
you know that's it maybe i will have a coffee maybe i'll have some matcha but that's it and uh
you know i have enough energy to last like a workout afterwards and until lunch you know so
that's what i do in the morning bro it's very simple but you know it gives me it gives me the
natural energy you know that was pretty that's a pretty
good routine i like that have you like experimented with like different kind of routines over the
years yeah yeah man i've tried so many different things but you know i have learned that you know
keeping it simple is really the best and uh so i try not to spend too much time you know i mean
this routine like you know
this breakfast i will you know i can i can get it done in 10 minutes right like everything is
prepared i have those shots in the in the fridge and everything so like i don't have to spend that
much time and uh and it's really great you know like it's you know really like i used to try
different things used to eat oatmeal in the morning and stuff, and I just didn't have enough energy.
I felt kind of like weird after that.
But, you know, with this simple, simple stuff that I'm doing these days, it's pretty good.
I feel very energetic.
So the matcha you do, you're doing that for the alfianine, right?
Yeah, man, I'm just trying because, you know, I like coffee.
But, you know, I told you guys, like, I'm trying to optimize my sleep, right?
And, like, I've been doing a lot of research and, you know, it seems that all these experts, even though they may hate each other in terms of what diet they prefer, like Brian Johnson, and then there is another guy who is not a vegan, but he's like a carnivore they all kind of like hate each other and have different opinions but they agree on one thing and they agree on the fact that if you drink a lot of coffee it fucks up
your sleep because the caffeine stays in your body for a very long time yeah so so that's i've done
my research and so i'm just trying things out so i i don't really drink coffee these days i just do
matcha and i'm trying to see if my sleep like is going to improve, you know, like in the next like coming weeks.
And I'm experimenting with that.
And also like ordered some like red light, you know, for my bedroom to completely get rid of blue light in my bedroom.
And so like small tweaks, you know, like these things are not very expensive.
Like I bought some red light for like, I don't like 30 bucks you know or something so it's not very expensive but like small tweaks you know here and there and
really trying to see what's gonna what's gonna really work for me so so that's what I'm trying
to do these days what about protein like protein shakes do you mess with those no I don't do protein
shakes I just do the protein in the morning so Brian Johnson has this like he calls it longevity protein which is
more than just the protein shake so there's a bunch of other stuff in it
like you know cacao and like all of these different things and so I just do
that in the morning because it's breakfast for me like just 30 30 grams
of protein some collagen whatever just like very quick but then man I will just
have a steak for lunch and then I will have some chicken for dinner.
And I think I get way enough protein.
I don't really need to do protein shakes anymore.
Do you keep track of your protein?
Like 60 grams, 70 grams?
No, I usually do, I think, around 100, 100 plus.
You know, like, again, I don't count it like, exactly, specifically, but, you know, I try to keep things lean.
And, you know, again, like when I when I do a steak, I don't even have any any sides, I will just have a steak and some some some vegetables, you know.
And then if I have a if I have, let's say chicken maximum that I will have, I will have a little bit of rice and then some broccoli and stuff like that. And so I, I think I eat like enough protein, you know, every
day. Like I don't, I don't really feel like, you know, I'm losing weight or I'm losing muscles.
Like I'm not trying to bulk up. So, so yeah, I, I don't really track it, you know, to the detail.
Yeah, I'm doing the total opposite. Like I've fasting for for a while now and uh with one month
i lost about like 30 pounds wow so hang on you're fasting what does that look like what does that
mean oh that that means like okay like 24 hours i i i once a day i i more than 20 hours yeah yeah yeah every day every day uh after the 25th hour
is is when when i'll have the meal so all those pictures that that i've been posting up lately
lately it's literally like after after the 24 hours have have passed but i i did do a few extreme
ones i i was able to do like three three days uh and then i was able to do five days
guys i don't know how you could do five last five hours without food like i will die
it's one of the best uh things you could do for yourself like your mind starts
working like next level and and and uh and you feel like you feel like you have so much energy like the total
opposite happens like you think that when you don't eat you're not gonna have energy but
man like superpower like all like your mind's working on one that 1000 without a doubt and and
and yeah it feels good it feels good to like stand on the okay serious question so i've heard i don't
know if this is true or not but i've heard because, because I lived in San Francisco and California for a while,
that on around the fourth or fifth day of a fast,
you start pooping out this, like, dark black stuff.
Is that true?
I think that's from, like, all the coffee,
because that's all you could drink.
So all your stomach knows is coffee it's
coffee what is that first poop babies make mconium or something like that
what what babies have like a poop their first poop it's like super dark and like sticky
okay interesting interesting so ghost you're doing fasting interesting so you're doing like uh
are you like i see you post these pictures it's like you're not eating all that food at once
right when you're going no no no no no it's it's usually like those those pictures that i post like
it's it's either we have like family or or
friends friends coming over but i like yeah i like i like to cook man and my cooking is literally
just like grilling stuff do you like cooking over fire a lot yeah yeah definitely like that's that's
my thing man he likes cooking dollar sign dog too.
Yeah, man.
I love cooking over fire as well.
I dig it.
I dig it.
There's something about it, man. It brings people together.
This is why I love Korean barbecue so much as well.
Because when you're sitting down, you're grilling're you're conversating like you're drinking like it's one of the best
things ever man dude it's part of life you know i i noticed uh leo and vito they maybe i'm the
only one that noticed this but you guys have a lot of similarities and especially that you guys
have this one special laugh i don't know i It kind of sounds like you guys, like,
you're like brothers from another world or something.
You guys are too similar in so many ways.
Oh, my goodness.
Well, look, I definitely do like cooking over fires,
and I dig seeing Vittorio's,
kind of like Jan does his morning workout posts.
Vittorio's kind of got his signature cigar and open fire pit cooking posts.
Trevor, we got to get our signature posts down, man.
We don't really have like a signature daily post or anything.
I like Jan's hack with the with the matcha though i do
basically the same thing i like i'm super sensitive to caffeine so just never basically consume
caffeine um obviously we'll eat chocolate occasionally but try not to consume any
caffeine but then dude the l-theanine is kind of like a similar thing uh i just take a 200
milligram tablet yeah man i it I it's very interesting because
you know I you know again I like coffee it's not like I don't like it I actually
like it but I cannot drink too much of it either like if I you know sometimes I
I travel and I'm tired as fuck and I will like you know maybe drink to two
cups of coffee and I I start shaking like literally like I'm pretty sensitive
to caffeine as well and so uh
actually you know never really drank matcha until i went to japan and then i was like
like this this thing is actually good you know and uh and so i bought a bunch of matcha in japan
which was very funny experience because you go to a matcha store that is high quality matcha
and they will not even sell you a lot of matcha.
They will say, oh, you can only buy one box per person, you know, because there is limited amounts every day.
And I'm like, what the hell?
And so I just bought like a like a little bit of matcha in Japan when I was there.
And then I ordered something online.
But but yeah, it's pretty good.
To be honest, the effect is kind of similar.
Like it's cool to have it in the morning.
And I don't really get tired, you know, like in the afternoons, like as I used to even with coffee.
Because like the coffee gives you like that spike in the morning, right?
But then like after a couple hours, even though you still have the coffee in your body, you know, it kind of crashes down, right?
Which is pretty funny.
Kind of doesn't make sense to me.
Like, you know, when I just think about it. But with matchaa i don't have that so so i'm really enjoying it right now yeah you can
drink a lot of matcha i think get a lot of l-theanine i don't think l-theanine is like a
supplement that has like not really any side effects or issues really you're not gonna
get like a caffeine you get addicted to caffeine it's like highly addictive right um
okay well we had our good
little health segment at the end of the show here guys i know trevor one more thing that i'm gonna
say i you know i upgraded i'm upgrading my kitchen slowly so i also got some titanium pen and some
stainless steel pens because man like i i learned like through doing this research following all these
guys like these health influencers like man we have been doing it all wrong man like you know
these motherfuckers have been telling us like how teflon pants are the fucking best because they
don't stick but it's a bunch of chemicals just like putting in your food every day and so i just
upgraded my kitchen you know slowly but uh but steadily are you like getting rid of plastic too yeah getting rid of all the plastic in the kitchen and uh you know even like you know obviously
i cannot like change it overnight it's quite difficult like to remove everything that has any
kind of plastic in it like i even check my clothes like bunch of that is polyester and
obviously that's not great so like slowly kind of upgrading i'm only from now on i'm only buying like cotton cotton t-shirts and you know cotton
stuff like you know just like step by step you know like i i just feel like we we have been told
some you know and it's not even that like these things are much more expensive like actually these
things you know the the cost difference is not that crazy like you know if i buy cotton t-shirt i will pay like maybe 20 more for it but you know supposedly it's it's way healthier for us
so uh you know i don't know we've been lied to for our entire lives you know and so so i'm trying to
improve it right now you know do you do like a full blood work profile every year or every six
months or any of that yeah yeah i do it I do it minimum once a year like full
like you know basically like they take like you know five tubes of my blood and
basically test for everything you know and so at least once a year I I would
love to do it like twice a year but I usually do it only when I go home
because I have pretty good place where they can do it it's not expensive
actually I mean in the US I I guess for you guys it's pretty expensive
but if I go back home if I go to Czech Republic like they will do the complete test for me for like
I don't know like 100 bucks or maybe maybe 200 bucks like everything they will test for everything so so I do it
Usually like once a year
But if I could do it twice here, it would be even better. Yeah. Interesting. Interesting.
Trevor, we've got like a mini Brian as our co-host. I think Jan has a potential future in
kind of health fitness influencing. I don't know. I could see it. I could see it. It's got to be,
yeah, like obviously you got to still have the extra stuff but i don't know i
could see like you know how people would create like an all health fitness account on instagram
and stuff like that young maybe you could you could start a the thing is the issue is you're
too busy bro like you you're just like you're too busy to do that i guess right it takes a lot of
time um i don't know keep keep yeah i like the path you're on bro i'm on a similar path i don't know keep yeah i like i like the path you're on bro i'm on a similar path i don't think
i'm as far along as you but uh it's fun the biohacking stuff just kind of learning about it
and it's neat i respect the discipline for sure like it's difficult like man it's difficult to
like travel like you know all all across the world and then like when you get back like you
get back to your like regular like training and gym sessions so props for that like it's it's
difficult because when you start when you start going every day yeah it's cool like you're able
to do it but once you stop for a couple of days man it takes like a lot of courage like to get
back to it so props on that homie yeah I mean for
me like you know actually it has gotten to the point where you know I I cannot
not go to the gym you know because you know it's it's my habit right now that
you know it actually hurts more to break it then then not to do it right which
you know it's funny like we kind of humans, we kind of work like that.
So, you know, that's one thing.
And second thing, man, Leo, like, you know,
it's not even that I have ambition to, like,
be a fucking KOL, you know, in this area,
but I really do it for practical reasons.
Dude, is that what they call it?
KOL for the health influencing?
I guess you, like, have your supplement.
I mean, KOL, no, it's everywhere, no? It's KOL everywhere. Yeah, I guess, I guess. elephant food singh i guess you like have your supplement i mean that you tell us everywhere no
it's it's k well everywhere but yes i guess but you know i i i think you know for me it's really
about like you know i just want to have the most amount of energy every day because you know
obviously like yes i travel quite a lot i work pretty hard and you know if i don't have energy
it's just like it's just everything is much harder you know like you don't really have the willpower to do stuff if like you know you
don't sleep enough if you wake up like feeling like shit and so for me it's really like kind
of practical thing like i want to treat my body the best i can because i know that you know the
body is gonna is gonna give it back to me you know in many different ways like i will give you an
example right like i went to fucking paris i got the food poisoning right which is pretty up but like
it can happen to anybody because you can end up eating some and you really don't have
any control over that right but you know like i actually recovered like within 18 hours like i
was basically back to normal you know like even like my god everything recovered pretty quickly
from it uh obviously i threw up and everything but like i recovered pretty quickly and i think it's because like yeah like you know i treat my body
pretty well usually and so you know like i think i think it kind of gives me dividends like this
right and you know also like for the past six months since i started experimenting with bunch
of these things like i have not been sick at all and i've been traveling like crazy man like i
i've been i probably did like 20 flights in the past like maybe 30 flights in the past six months and i have not been sick once
and in the past like it would be every time i travel i would at least have some some fucking
running nose or like you know i would have i would have some you know whatever mild fever
whatever when like you go to a conference where everybody's sick you know and and it has not happened to me in the past six months so you know again it's like you know it's
it's just practical stuff for me you know like i don't have ambition to like start making videos
about this because i don't have time but uh just like i would encourage everybody to uh to focus
on health i think is the most important thing. So for the, for like, basically your, you know, body fighting kind of these sicknesses,
do you think that's more dietary, cold exposure, exercise, sunlight?
What do you think that is?
I think first is sleep, because if, if you don't sleep, uh, I think your immunity is
just shit.
Uh, you know, that, that definitely was in the past for me because like I would just not prioritize sleep at all. And then, you know, I would just
like get sick more often because I think it really influences immunity. I think that's the number one
thing that I noticed. And then, you know, food, right? Like the second thing is food, like eating
healthy, like not eating any processed foods second thing is food, like eating healthy,
like not eating any processed foods, any like sugars and stuff like that,
because that's literally a poison.
I don't even drink alcohol these days.
I mean, I will have a glass of wine here and there,
but I don't really drink any strong alcohol, nothing,
because I think it really fucks you up.
And third is exercise, right?
Like if you can at least move your body, you know, every day, even a little bit, it's not about like being a bodybuilder, but like, you know, going to the gym, moving your body, you know, even walking with your dog every day.
I think these three things basically make the most difference.
All right.
All right.
Well, that was our good ending.
I think that's that.
I think we'll wrap it up here, guys. Trevor,
any parting words?
Anything to say before we
wrap up? Rug it as fast as you
can, Leo. Have a great weekend, everybody.
We'll see you on Monday. Alright.
Y'all have a great week. Let's fucking go, guys.
Y'all have a great rest of the week. Let's go, baby.
