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The Ordinal Show
Recorded: Jan. 14, 2026 Duration: 4:34:46Space Recording
Short Summary
In a recent discussion, key figures in the crypto space addressed the evolving regulatory landscape, highlighted Coinbase's strategic partnership with Solana for DEX trading, and explored the implications of new token launches and creator incentives. The conversation underscored the importance of adapting to emerging trends and fostering growth within the industry.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you like that brian johnson smoothie getting made yon let's go man let's go
dude you gotta you gotta put on some muscle right like i want, I wanna look like Jan. We all wanna look like Jan.
Man, I'm losing muscle these days, man.
I don't go to the gym, man.
My shoulder is still fucked up.
So I can only do cardio, play tennis,
and do some legs from time to time.
So like, you know, my lower body is getting bigger
and my upper body is getting smaller, you know?
So that's actually a legit injury then.
This is actually like a pretty bad issue.
Shoulders are horrible.
No, man, like it's the weirdest injury, right?
Because it's not a serious injury, right?
Like I didn't hear anything, nothing.
But it's just uncomfortable, right?
So I cannot really push heavy weights.
So I can do anything i
can normally live like i have full range of motion everything but if i start lifting weights like it's
just uncomfortable you know so i'm trying to recover it properly i'm doing some rehab and
shit but it's actually the funniest injury because it's not very serious but it's the
one that sticks around for months you know
right it's hard to work out without a shoulder you don't want to work out your other shoulder and then exactly exactly so you have to be very careful because otherwise the pink just comes
it keeps coming back like you know i try to do some like bench and stuff like you know and then
like again like it just comes back so I'm I'm trying to be diligent
about it and doing my rehab but uh but yeah like in the meantime you know just learning new sports
and doing something else but yeah man I'm losing weight man you know you need to uh you need to
become the the strongest man on the ordinal show now it's it's yours for taking Trevor we have to step up it's our turn to step up Trevor
oh uh what's up guys I'm glad to have everyone uh everyone here today the the three bros
Trevor Jan I'm gonna send you guys to co-host invites we'll try it one time
if it doesn't work okay let's see what's gonna happen yeah let happen. I'm accepting now if it kicks me you guys know why
Okay, it worked for Trevor. Hell yeah
Okay, and it said I had to restart I had to restart and come back
Okay, I think we're good
It works today. Okay, let's see if it works for at least a couple hours.
Jan, we had a little bit of a rumor circulating on the show on Monday, and we wanted to see if you could dispel it.
Somebody came up and proposed that you actually were listening to The Ordinal Show when you work out and can't make the show because you want to see if we're making fun of you.
Can you confirm or deny that?
Yeah,
I wasn't listening guys.
I don't know.
I mean,
I'm sure that they're making fun of me all the time.
So like,
you know,
for me,
that's not a surprise.
So I,
that's what I told everybody.
That's exactly what I said.
I said,
you know,
we're making fun of you whenever you're not here.
Exactly.
So I don't,
I don't have to,
I don't have to like create
an alt account you know to uh to get that confirmation because i i know it it's a fact
you know so so i wasn't unfortunately listening guys like i had some like i don't know like i i
got some food poisoning or something something like you know over the weekend and like you know
i had a little bit of fever and shit and like you know i just like i was like i need to sleep it off because otherwise you know i cannot do much this
week but yeah luckily it wasn't anything major it was just like a like a small thing so so i was
back the next day but uh but yeah i couldn't make it and i wasn't listening on an alt account i was
sleeping like a little baby okay there's another rumor so the rumor is that you've
been uh making provocative jokes on x uh specifically around the ejaculation uh from a
penis uh and we wanted to know if that's true or not so this is just the rumor that's going around
you know i may or may have not started it. I don't know. Yeah, you probably started it.
But can you at least tell me what kind of tweets you're referring to, bro?
Listen, listen, listen.
You don't look at it. This is a safe space.
We want you to feel comfortable sharing what actually happened.
We all know that the Twitter algorithm has been discriminating against crypto Twitter
and that people have to join these other conversations.
So it's okay if you want to admit that.
But somebody posted, Texas teenagers invent pin-sized device that removes 90% of microplastics
from water using sound.
And this went super viral.
Hills replied, can you use it to remove microplastics from your balls asking for a friend?
And then you replied, there is only one way.
Can you explain what you meant by that
it's it's up for your imagination leo you know so he's not confirming or denying
i couldn't find any other way to interpret it other than it was a jizz joke
jan saw a bitcoin puppet on the timeline and kind of wanted to fit in i think
you know he wanted to be like cool with the puppets in the shed
And he's you know, I'm kind of annoyed, bro
I'm kind of annoyed because I see so much fucking bullshit on my timeline these days, you know
It's fucking crazy man, like especially from Billy resty Billy fucking resty that motherfucker
Is replying to every dog shit that he sees on the timeline these days and I can see that afterwards
I'm like I was so close muting him to be honest guys is replying to every dog shit that he sees on the timeline these days. And I can see that afterwards.
I'm like, I was so close muting him, to be honest, guys.
Like, I can stomach it, like, five times.
But when I open my account, like, ten times,
and every single time I see some bullshit like that,
I was, like, so close to blocking him, you know?
It's not just Billy.
We talked about this on the show.
Like, Cynthia had a conspiracy theory.
I don't know.
Like basically there's lots of people kind of speculating on why crypto
Twitter seems to be getting discriminated against,
or at least the algorithms changed in a way that doesn't benefit a kind of
tight community like crypto Twitter.
Nikita recently guys,
since our show on Monday,
actually posted GM its fix, kind of claiming that the algorithm's been fixed. I kind of doubt they
actually fixed it. They may have done a tweak of some sort. A lot of people were reporting
that crypto Twitter was back. They're seeing crypto content all over their timeline.
My personal belief is that just correlates with Bitcoin going from like 90 to 96K in one day. Yeah, of course, that day you're
going to have a lot more crypto content in your timeline. I hope it's fixed, but I'm not totally
sold that Nikita has solved that issue completely. I do think we're still just going to get pushed
content from other specifically political stuff.
So we'll have to see what happens.
We'll have to keep on.
Yeah, I don't know, man.
Like, I don't know about that.
To be honest, like, I'm actually not seeing any political content that much these days.
I don't know what's the reason.
I was seeing a lot of it, like, you know, over the past few weeks.
But, you know, I don't see that much of it.
I actually start, I'm starting to see a lot more
crypto stuff and uh i see a lot of some well a lot of them but like some of them uh are getting like
a huge amount of engagement like you know some of the some of the crypto tweets not not necessarily
like you know let's say in ordnance but like if i see other people tweeting something about crypto
i see uh you know it's getting a lot of engagement again
i don't know if it's like because they fixed some algorithm i don't think so it's just uh maybe like
you know the the crypto guys and crypto folks are actually getting back you know from holidays you
know that could also be the case you know because you know the first week after new year maybe like
a lot of people were still not back But now you know, that's that
It could also contribute to that anyway
It's like I'm seeing a lot more stuff like when I when I woke up like 15 minutes ago
And I was just scrolling through X, you know to see what's up like I saw like a lot of viral
Like crypto tweets, you know, like I saw stuff that obviously I follow those people, but like, you know, I wouldn't be seeing that stuff that much, you know, last week or the week before that.
So anyways, like I, I think that, you know, it's better now.
But, but not sure if it was just like me or if it's just these couple days and if it's going to come back to some dog shit again but but yeah like I I'm still annoyed when
I see like people commenting all all the random tweets and stuff just to get like 10,000 views
but it is what it is you know well a lot of that is people farming trying to get their impressions
to get the paycheck from Elon yeah but I don't know why I see everything right like and also
like I'm sure that there is more than like few people doing it and it's funny that i only see like let's say i will see like billy resty doing it like 15 times
and i will see not every single reply of his but i will see a lot of them you know and then i do
you're probably reading it you know it doesn't just track when you i mean i don't read it i
literally know how long your eyeball is on it right i don't i don't go and i don't read it. I just see it on the timeline, right? It literally knows how long your eyeball is on the post. Like I scroll through it, right? I don't go and I don't click on the original tweet,
but I see that.
Yeah, no, no, but if you just stop and pause
to see what Billy said, that is a huge contributor,
probably the largest contributor to the algorithm.
Most people are passive.
Most people don't actually tap like on posts.
They just read.
Like there's 10 to one ratio of people just looking
at the post, consuming the content, not engaging.
Yeah, anyway. So like, do it do a test right i'll do a test so if there's some like political thing happening or elon is posting something that's popular just scroll through
your phone and then hover over the elon post for like 10 seconds and then keep scrolling
literally in like one minute later another elon post will be in your feed like you know that's true man like you know very real time but you know uh what i
noticed right and again maybe i'm completely wrong about this but what i noticed is like
yes i saw a bunch of political tweets because i was like i remember like you know weeks ago when
like you know the minnesota fraud right like i I actually went and I watched the video on X, right?
Like, because I was like, hey, this is crazy.
I actually want to like know about it.
Like, I want to, I want to see what's going on there.
So I actually did watch the entire video of that guy, Nick, you know, on X.
And of course, afterwards, I was getting bunch of the same tweets at least for a week related to
that right all the politics and shit but now I'm not getting it anymore you know like it feels like
it always happens for like certain amount of time unless you keep like heavily engaging with it
right and then it kind of resets at least like that's what it feels for me because i'm not getting like nick shirley anymore that
much these days like like yeah like i i haven't seen any any new tweets from him for for a couple
days but i remember when i was like specifically watching his video and like i was like seeing like
what the fuck is going on in minnesota this is crazy and then tim waltz like resigning and this
so i saw those things but now I'm not seeing anything
new, to be honest.
Trevor, can you believe your ears right now?
Yann is saying that
he has time to listen and watch
hour-long documentaries about fraud
in a state he's never been to, but
he doesn't have time to show up to his own
podcast as a co-host.
What does that make you feel?
I mean, we knew this, right?
We've known about this for a while.
I agree.
No, I agree.
Jan, we have that big conversation.
People think we make fun of Jan
when he's here and when he's not here
just because we don't like him
or something like that.
Actually, it's not that.
It's just that he kind of brings brings upon himself by skipping the show by you know like saying oh
guys i'm so sorry i couldn't go to this show because i got leg day or i'm so sorry i couldn't
go to the show because i have to watch this youtube video completely unrelated to work you know yada
work, you know, yada, yada, yada.
I think we might need to cut Jan's salary because that first year he was providing a
lot of benefit, but if he misses half the shows, that should be half the salary.
I mean, that's just, I agree.
I agree.
You should cut it.
You should cut it.
Like you should cut it and you should cut it like probably to zero.
Maybe the irony is I've, I probably, I don't think i've ever put any money into this
show jan's actually done some professional things like he's he's actually done some stuff for the
show that costs money i think um so he's probably laughing he's like what an idiot leo like i've
lost money on the show except except except for put the show's logo up at his own event but he did he corrected that
though right trevor he did correct that yeah yeah but i mean we have to remind him you know like to
promote his own show i think it should be called the ordinal show conference next year jan what do
we think i think leo if you don't even show up to the conferences, then, like, what's the point?
Well, you don't show up to the podcast, dude.
You don't even show up to our...
Like, all you have to do is, like, open your phone and, like, talk for 45 minutes.
I have to fly all the way across the world, Jan.
Yeah, excuses, excuses, excuses, bro.
It's, like, 12 times zones difference um okay look let's move forward with the show here i think we cleared we cleared up some confusion from the monday show
um i know a hot topic this week was coinbase has begun rolling out their kind of solana decks
support in the main app so for people who don't know what this basically
means is Coinbase has always had this kind of on-chain Dex self-custody product called Coinbase
Wallet. They've since pivoted the name to base, but it's still the same kind of goal. Coinbase's
traditional exchange product in their main app were always catered towards their, you know, 200 coins that Coinbase,
you know, spotless, provides liquidity for, market makes. That's what Coinbase's main app was.
They've begun branching out. They have added prediction markets. They've added stocks. I
think they're going to tokenize those stocks pretty soon here. They've added futures. They've
added perps. And recently, they've begun rolling out Dex trading. So they're actually moving,
you know, there's probably a few million people who use the Coinbase wallet base app,
but there's over 100 million people on the main Coinbase platform that, you know,
are traditional Coinbase users. They don't really know about Coinbase's on-chain wallet products,
right? So those 100 million users, this is a lot of people specifically in the US and Europe,
are, you know, really, really, Coinbase is very strong there.
It has a strong hold there.
It's got a very strong reputation.
Those users now inside of the search bar in Coinbase can just type a token like dog or mem, okay?
And then you basically just buy the way you normally would.
It uses your balance in Coinbase.
It's all kind of like
seamlessly done to a normie they'd be like i'm just clicking a few buttons they don't really
know what's happening behind the scenes but basically all tokens on solana are uh they're
doing this with or not all but a lot i think and then because some of the top runes through runemine
have a bridge to solana we're basically getting included there and the bottom line is those 100 million people who have coinbase can now well it's not
fully rolled out but will very soon be able to go and start buying a wrap dog on solana wrap mim on
solana wrap pups on solana wrap gizmo on solana on coinbase's app which is pretty cool there's a
lot it's just a lot of people it's a lot it's a large distribution channel um i don't think there's a rune that's ever had that level of distribution
an app with 100 million people kind of using it uh being able to you know search for it and then
tap buy so a lot of people were excited about this recently and you know i know it's not as good as
like an actual native integration and a spot listing i think you know this can be thought of
as like kind of a middle step to that right we? Where like, this is, you know, a great step
forward. It's better than Coinbase users not having any exposure. And then hopefully we can
work with them in the future and get, you know, an actual spot listing, right? So that's pretty
much the situation. Yeah, I wanted to just see if there were any thoughts on that. That was
something that was in my timeline a lot yesterday for all of crypto
Twitter, but especially, you know, some of the runes communities.
So if we have thoughts there, we can talk about that a little bit.
Also can move on, but Trevor, Jan, either of you have thoughts on this?
Yeah. So Leo, can you,
can you walk us through like how a runes project can get, you know, can get benefit from this, I guess,
or how they can take advantage of this rather?
Yeah, so it's interesting.
There is a new paradigm happening that I think everybody should be kind of very clued into,
tuned into, which is basically for the first decade or so of crypto, it was only centralized exchanges, right?
Now, trading is moving on-chain.
It's permissionless, liquidity pool-based, decentralized trading, these on-chain order
books, on-chain liquidity pools.
That seems to be just a magnet for liquidity.
It is sucking the liquidity out of these exchanges.
It seems to be the way bots want to trade. It seems to be just far superior in the sense that you can have
millions of tokens trading versus just a few hundred. The product all around is superior,
right? You don't have to, you know, sign an NDA with Binance and then go through some review
process and then give them 9% of your token supply and pay a bunch of listing fees and do all this contractual crap, right?
You just lock up some liquidity in a liquidity pool, right?
There's people doing this for dog on Stacks, right?
Bitflow does this for dog on Stacks.
There's people doing it on Bitcoin L1, you know, DotSwap and DogSwap.
And you can buy this through Stats terminal and Express.
Obviously, people know like this is happening on Bitcoin.
It's happening everywhere. It's happening with uniswap on ethereum
pioneered a lot of this you've got you know solana has that some some large dexes like
meteora that are that are quite popular and the bottom line is trading is happening on chain the
actual like mechanism for the trades that are happening it's not happening in a centralized
order but in a centralized order,
but in a centralized exchange, it's happening on a blockchain,
which is pretty cool.
I think it's more permissionless and decentralized.
Ultimately, just a better solution.
And what we've seen during 2025
was the kind of popularity of this trend
that we got to give credit to Farmer Joe for,
which is he said,
we should take some supply,
bridge it through a bridge provider to Solana, which is very fast and cheap. And then people can trade it on Solana, right?
And ultimately, that proved to be very insightful. And he was quite ahead of his time with that,
because Dog in January then did the same thing. Many other runes have also done the same thing.
And not only are runes doing this,
but major L1 blockchains are doing this.
So for example, Tron in 2025
has an official bridge to Solana.
Monad did this.
Lots of the popular Ethereum tokens do this.
Zcash did this.
Basically lots of projects are treating Solana as basically
another exchange. They're not thinking of it as a blockchain. They're thinking of it as purely a
trading crypto exchange, but decentralized. So it's like a competitor to Binance. It's not a
competitor to maybe the way we thought of Ethereum or something like this. And why this is important is because everyone has the ability.
It is permissionless.
There is no gatekeeper telling you what you can or can't do, right?
RuneMine has built infrastructure, which is basically a two-way bridge to lock your Rune,
your dog token on Bitcoin L1, create a one-to-one backed, wrapped, bridged representation of that token that will then
trade on Solana. And then you can move it back anytime you want. Within a few minutes,
you've got your dog officially back on Bitcoin. So it's basically a one-to-one backed, wrapped.
This is what all these tokens are doing. It's essentially how all these stocks are trading
on Solana. It's how USDC trades on
Solana. Bitcoin is actually one of Solana's top traded tokens. I think there's almost as much
BTC volume through CBBTC and Wrapped BTC trading on Solana as meme coins, which is kind of an
incredible statistic. And that's just one-to-one backed, bridged Bitcoin, right? It's Wrapped
Bitcoin. So all of this to say, Solana is becoming like a competitor that I think will eventually beat
Binance. And I am all for it, right? That's part of why I'm kind of a fan of this. And ultimately,
anybody who has a Rune can go talk to RuneMine. I'll pin a post they've done up above so people
can kind of see what I'm talking about. You can go, they're very great guys, very friendly.
They've been operating this bridge flawlessly for, I think, like a year and a half now,
maybe almost two years now.
So like, for example, this is Lobo just did this, and I was encouraging Lobo to do this.
They have, as of December, Lobo has opened a bridge through RuneMine to Solana.
It doesn't cost anything to do this, right?
If you have a rune, it doesn't cost anything.
RuneMine wants you to do it.
There's a small fee that RuneMine charges to the person who is bridging their tokens over.
And basically, now that you have this piece of infrastructure set up, you now have essentially
what's a Solana
one-to-one token of a Bitcoin token, of a Bitcoin rune. And what that does is you now have this SPL
token that plugs into everything native on Solana, right? So this means lending. This means
Dex trading. This means basically everything you can do on Solana, your token can now do, right?
And you just have to keep in mind, it's a one-to-one backed, wrapped representation,
which is basically how centralized exchanges work anyways.
But as long as you understand that, it's a very popular thing to do now,
and it's a great way to have basically a centralized exchange equivalent listing.
I would honestly rather have Dog long-term on Solana than Binance. I believe there will be
more strategic value that Dog gets being on Solana than on Binance because when you're on Solana,
you then show up in Zap. You show up in Moonshot. You show up in Jupiter's app. You show up at 100
different platforms. And now you even show up in Coinbase's main app. You didn't have to do any contracts
with Coinbase. They're just tapping into that liquidity that exists on Solana. So if you are
a founder, Trevor, the answer is talk to RuneMine, get the bridge going. They can do it pretty
quickly. It's free. Take, you know, $25,000 of liquidity or some
amount of liquidity, either a whale or you bridge it over, and then you set up a liquidity pool.
So you go to Meteora, set up a liquidity pool. It's very easy. It's a few button clicks,
and you now basically have a completed situation, and it'll show up on Coinbase. It'll show up. We can list it on Zap.
People can buy it in a hundred different platforms and apps on Solana and you're ready. You're off
to the races. You want to make sure there's a few things that I could talk to you about and the
RudeMind guys will talk to you about, which is you want to make sure that you're verified. That's
very important. You want to make sure that you kind of do a few things right in terms of like
the image, the naming. You're going to want to take that contract and put it in CoinGecko and
CoinMarketCap so then people can see it's the official one. So there's a few things you want
to do there, but it's literally like two to three hours of work to get it done. And it's totally
worth it. I think all the top runes should do it. And pretty much most of the top runes actually do do it now. Most runes are doing it. So yeah,
it's very, very exciting. And specifically, if you are, if you are kind of on the edge about
doing this, like, you know, MIM wasn't fully doubled down on this. MIM recently just added
60K of liquidity to Solana so that they could appear in Coinbase, right? So the Coinbase thing is a real value proposition.
I think MIM pumped like 15% when this happened.
So it's kind of a no-brainer.
Like, get your token in as many apps as possible.
Make it as easy for everyone to buy your token as possible.
There's really, yeah, it's kind of an obvious decision to do this.
And I can connect anyone who's interested to the RuneMind team and make sure that it
all goes smoothly.
They've done it now enough times that it's fairly straightforward,
and it really won't take very much effort.
So, Leo, yeah, great.
Like, you know, we know the RuneMind guys.
You know, they're also leveraging some of our infrared experts,
so I fully recommend those guys as well.
as well but i have more practical question for you leo so basically you said you should start
But I have a more practical question for you, Leo.
with let's say 25k usd worth of the ruins or you know even like you know capital for the initial
liquidity my question is how do you scale this up and like how do you make sure that like you know
basically let's say if dog is becoming super popular and a lot of people
want to trade it, do you need to keep on increasing the liquidity? What is the mechanism there to make
sure that you can actually provide a good experience, good trading experience to potentially
tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands of people? So it's interesting. What happens is you provide
the initial liquidity to kickstart the market, but what actually ends up happening is, no,
you don't have to do anything. Just make sure your token's successful, basically, is what matters.
If it goes up in value, the liquidity will just naturally grow. So for example,
dog's gone from $90 million to $160 million. It's grown from like 100K of liquidity,
like two or three weeks ago on Solana to now 300K because the value of the dog and that liquidity
pool is increasing, right? People are putting in more soul to the pool to then get dog out. So
it'll just grow over time naturally. And then everybody gets to kind of like, kind of like how
when you speculate on meme coins, everybody gets to be their own little venture capitalist, you know, investing in things.
You get to do the same thing as a market maker.
You get to be your own little winter mute.
You can go look at different.
There's, you know, it's all permissional and open, right?
So you can go to Meteora.
You can look at all the activity.
You can see, okay, this pool is earning half a percent fees and it's split
evenly to the people providing the liquidity. And I'm seeing it's getting $100,000 of volume a day.
So somebody's making 500 bucks a day providing liquidity to this pool. You can just put in
another $100,000 or you can just put in some more money and then you can earn from that pool as well.
Basically putting your dog to work.
It's called yield, right?
So you're like yield farming the pool.
And I would say, again, this is kind of advanced thing to do, but not everyone needs to do this.
But just know that there are lots of people that are kind of like little winter mutes, decentralized winter mutes that are going to market make.
And they're going to want to make those fees from the trading.
They're going to look at where the trading is, and then they're going to want to make the fees from that trading.
So then they're going to provide liquidity and it'll just grow.
So if dog, for example, just shoots to a billion dollars, there's probably going to be an insane amount of volume on the Solana pool, right?
And then there's going to be a bunch of market makers on Solana who like making money. They want the highest yield possible on their token. They're going to buy some dog or put some
soul into the pool and provide liquidity there, right? So that's pretty much what'll happen.
And you just have to kickstart it, right? The market has to start. Nobody's going to go be
the first one to do this for you. You have to kickstart the market so that people are actually
trading and holding the token.
I think a really good metric to look at is like number of holders. So I think DOG has just been slowly increasing for the past year. We're up to 10,500 holders of DOG on Solana, which I would
say is like equivalent to one of our, you know, it's probably like Gate and Kraken and some of
these exchanges maybe have more than that, but it's starting to rival, you know, some of the exchanges were listed on like maybe BitGet, for example, or something.
So I can just pull up the stats for Dog for a sec so that people can see. Because I think it is
interesting to look at this. There's a platform on Salonah called BirdEye, BirdEye.so. And this
is definitely where you kind of go to look at this stuff. And basically, Dog has, okay, it's 224,000 liquidity right now.
And this changes constantly because people are constantly adding, it's bots adding and
withdrawing liquidity, right?
And then you've got 6,000 trades in the last 24 hours.
You've got 554 traders, probably many of these are bots, right? There's people who
arbitrage between the different exchanges and Bitcoin L1 and, you know, Magic Eden and BirdEye.
Magic Eden and Solana literally have people who arbitrage trade that, for example.
And we're up to 10,615 holders. So that's pretty much the situation. Increase the number of people trading every day,
increase the total number of holders, and you'll just organically, volume will happen there every
day. So there was $246,000 of volume on Solana for Dog in the past 24 hours. So the more that
grows, the more people will want to provide liquidity, and it'll just be a self-fulfilling thing because the deeper the liquidity is, you now have whales
who this is now becoming a useful tool to. So they're going to choose to buy there and so on.
So liquidity is very sticky, and you kind of just get this engine going. But the key thing is you
have to kickstart the engine. You have to put the initial liquidity in you have to be very educating
people about it marketing it heavily because you can launch it and it just fails because nobody's
trading you only have you know 40 holders nobody's gonna buy a token that's 40 holders right so you
have to really kick start the market but once it gets going like dog has and like pups has it'll
just go farmer joe's not doing anything. I'm not doing anything.
It just kind of, it's kind of does its own thing.
So yeah, that's the bottom line. And yeah, I'd highly encourage everyone to do it. I think it's pretty, pretty straightforward and I can help anyone who wants to do it. I want to see more
runes get listed on Zap, more, more runes on Coinbase.
I think that's kind of an obvious win for everyone here.
So, all right.
Did you guys have any topics you wanted to cover?
I do have some more stuff we could talk about, but wanted to see if y'all had anything first.
I think that's obviously the biggest news of the week.
You know, congrats, Leo.
Congrats to Dog Army.
Everybody who still believes in runes.
I mean, I don't understand why people can still hate on runes
considering, what is it?
You guys posted a couple, I think it was last week,
that 48% of transactions on Bitcoin are still runes, right?
It's crazy.
It's crazy.
Yeah, people are venting on common goods um i'm very interested we're now
almost two years into the cycle of like the happening so all of a sudden like in that last
year i mean people are mass minting uncommon goods right like it's never slowed down even
at their lowest point with ruins people somebody's out there trying to get that supply of uncommon goods. And I'll be very interested to see, we're going to
have a new top rune, I'm sure, in like two years and three months or so. And I would imagine the
way this works is in the last six months, everybody realizes, oh my gosh, it's about to happen. Right
now it feels too far away. So it's just smart money kind of making this long-term play
in the background minting.
But there's a lot of Uncommon Goods.
Uncommon Goods has dominated,
like absolutely dominated Bitcoin's activity
for two years now.
And yeah, it's kind of interesting to see.
It's kind of interesting to see what'll happen.
I'm excited.
I'm bullish Uncommon Goods personally. I think it's really interesting to play, man. Like, you know, it's kind of interesting to see what'll happen I'm I'm excited I'm I think it's really
interesting play man like you know it's it's really cool like I think uh we should be looking
more into it I think it's it's really cool as you said like it feels a little bit too far away uh
but there is actually a couple of interesting things in play right it feels a little bit far away right now because a
it's two and a half years or whatever but b because there is zero activity and so everybody's
kind of like fuck it i'm not gonna do anything i'm gonna do it later but just imagine when
the network fees actually blow up at least a little bit. If they go 10x from where they are today,
you know, it's basically 10x immediately, right?
Like the cost basis for minting uncommon goods.
And, you know, unless it goes back to almost zero right now,
then basically the opportunities to mint something super cheaply,
those are going to disappear.
So I think it's very interesting kind of like a DGEN play you know like I am I'm not minting a whole lot right now I meant
it's some in the past but you know it's it's interesting like somebody is
definitely trying to play some some really interesting game and so yeah I I
think I think it's really gonna be cool to observe what's gonna happen I think
do we think that like maybe uncommon God goods and like the formal around it is gonna bring like
runes back like to to like all-time high you know because I really really
powerful you know is minting a lot of that shit and wants to get it on all
the fucking exchanges you know I definitely think it will be a thing when it finally starts trading,
right. When it mints out, I think it'll be like right now it makes no sense to like trade it
because you can unlimited, keep minting more for the next two years. So it's just like the dynamic
doesn't work very well. If it were to pump really hard, for example, you know, right now the price
would guaranteed come back down because people are just minting it at, you know, 0.3 sat per V-byte every night.
So, I don't know.
Yeah, we'll have to watch it.
But in those last couple months leading up to it, I think it'll be fun.
I think it'll be a top rune for sure.
It's, you know, kind of like if Vitalik created a meme coin on Ethereum, right?
So, it'll be popular.
There's no question about that.
How many have been minted so far?
What is the total supply now?
Over 100 million.
I don't know exactly, but it's a lot.
It's an insane amount.
I can go check.
Give me a second.
Is it 1,000 per mint?
I think it's one per mint.
And what about Memento Mori, though?
This is a good question.
I'm not sure about memento Maury.
Let me check, give me a second guys.
I cannot believe Casey did these ugly dots in between the tickers.
It kills me every time I have to type it.
All right.
Okay.
Okay.
Let's see what we got here.
Holy crap.
Okay.
It's 72 million, Trevor.
There's been 72 million minutes.
Okay.
So, and we are coming in on two years,
right?
It's like halfway through.
Yeah. We're almost halfway through.
We're probably like 45%.
Yeah.
well,
I mean,
it might not even,
is it going to cross a hundred mil supply?
I would say almost certainly.
I think so.
And it's one per minute.
It's one per minute.
They've, they've done 72 million mints.
And do we know like the wallet distribution or is the person who's minting one each time
doing a different address? Yeah, it's really hard to say. Honestly, I'm not an expert on it. I would
have to look into it more, but I would guess the person who's minting is probably spreading it out.
I think there are more than just one person minting it though i don't think it's the same person
um there's probably a few big people minting it but yeah i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm checking
out magic eden to kind of see what the situation is and it'd be it'd be curious if they're using
the same wallet then it'd be curious to know if this, if it's been like consistent over this past year and a half to nearly two years, or if it's been like sort of someone gets like fatigued from minting it and then, you know, sort of like a rotating, a merry-go-round or a rotating door of new people minting it.
merry-go-round or a rotating door of new people minting it?
So it's the sixth most traded rune on Magic Eden over the past 30 days.
So it's only got, this is kind of insane,
it's only got a $1.26 million market cap.
I guess this is because it's just so cheap at 0.3 sat per v-byte right now
to mint one, right right i think that's
so insanely undervalued but i also think that about all the runes so um rooms are definitely
very undervalued now especially if you know we see a um thanks to runemind thanks to sort of like
this coinbase uh like this way to get on coinbase sort of organically, it like leads to more of a path to listing for the runes industry.
Yeah, I just think like, to me, there's a lot of good runes that deserve a lot higher market caps than they have.
they have like I I genuinely believe like magic internet money is just a great great meme that's
like you know a billion dollar meme that just should have way more attention and holders and
everything and I've talked with them about different things they can do and stuff but
I think magic internet money can have a moment and bring a ton of attention to runes
obviously people know how I feel about dog um I'd like to see pizza have a moment. I think, you know, basically
all the top rooms like pops, Billy gizmo, like there's like legit communities. And these are
like some good, good fun memes that I can just see being listed on every exchange and doing well.
Right. And we just have to have a few of the top runes kind of continue knocking down doors like, you know, doing everything we can with dog.
Right. It's one hundred sixty two million market cap.
We got to go higher. We got to go back to all time highs until dog is at an all time high.
I don't think people are going to, like, give runes a real second look.
We're just in the back of people's heads a failed protocol
and a lot of people's fine it's just the reality of it right um i think we got to get dog back to
all-time highs i think dog going back to all-time highs will kind of re-kickstart a bunch of these
conversations i've had around centralized exchange listings i do i know i talk about this all the
time i just think centralized exchange listings are so important.
It's like, yeah, distribution is incredibly important.
Yeah, I think we have some good runes.
I think Uncommon Goods getting added to the mix will be fun too.
Did you see the news about Coin gecko today
this is their uh anthropic acquisition rumors but that's that's fake news no guys that's that's what i was unsure about is it kind of a joke or what is that
i i mean all i saw it's like fake news But I think it's interesting right I was actually thinking about it yesterday because I've been seeing this
You know for quite a while and I think this is actually like part of like a like a trend right now because
you know a lot of people are telling me that
trend in
2026 is crypto M&A in general.
Just we have seen a lot of acquisitions already and people project that it's going to continue
quite heavily in 2026.
And basically what I think is happening
is that these rumors even are part of the game,
you know, because many of these companies,
what they will do, like company like CoinGecko, they will probably hire like an investment bank or advisory or somebody to help them get acquired.
And they just have to create some sort of formal.
They have to create some sort of like.
You know, to make sure that people talk about the company, right, and that they're in the headlines and this and that.
And so I think this is part of part of the plan part of the game they're eventually probably gonna get acquired because
you know if they hired an investment bank to go through the process then of course they're
pretty serious about it so as long as they can get some good offer they're likely gonna take it
but yeah I think this anthropic stuff is fake news based on what I've seen on X
Just people are commenting that it was a rumor. It's fake news and blah blah blah blah blah
But many of these like outlets actually jumped on it
But I think that was part of the plan was like let's create some rumor
Let's have people talk about it so that you know the potential acquirers actually
Start looking into it right and maybe have FOMO and start bidding.
So again, it's just interesting.
Yeah, that's what I feel.
Like, you know, I don't know.
Again, maybe it's going to turn out to be a true thing
that like Anthropic is interested in crypto.
I don't know.
Could be interesting, obviously.
But yeah, like I think it's just part of the plan, guys.
And it's pretty funny and it's pretty cool, think i i think it's well done it's well executed
dude i mean if if these ai companies start doing financial stuff and they decide blockchain rails
are important yeah it would be huge for crypto it would be i mean there's all the money in the
economy right now is in these like ai companies, basically. So if we,
we like actually merge with that,
that would be pretty nuts.
that would be fucking dope.
I mean,
I mean,
a hundred percent,
it would be fucking bullish for us.
If would you work for Sam Altman,
Jan?
I wouldn't.
I wouldn't want to,
but you know,
don't,
don't say that dude.
Don't say that.
Yeah.
Trevor's an investor.
Yeah.
He could be listening right now, you know, don't say that, dude. Don't say that. Yeah, Trevor's an investor, Jan. He could be listening right now, you know?
I'm sure if Sam Altman shows up with a billion-dollar check, dude,
you're not going to be like, oh, yeah, no,
I'm not going to work for Sam Altman, guys.
I can't be bought.
I mean, he didn't do anything wrong,
other than just being, like, autistic or, you know.
WorldCoin.
I don't like World coin but yeah so i mean
maybe world coin is gonna come and acquire us man leo that's what's gonna happen you hang on
hang on that that is and then i will be telling you on the show every day on the show what i'm
gonna be telling you guys i'm gonna be telling you now you need to scan your eyeballs to get
access to xverse so that's what i what i will be telling you guys all right yeah now now
that ordinals and runes are dead and we all have to find a thing to pivot to we're gonna pivot
towards world coin influencers that's the new thing we're gonna work for sam okay let's do it
guys like if you're with me if you're in it with me you know i will take one for the team no problem
experts will be the top wallet of the world coin community the world coin blockchain
did you imagine somebody's
like checked out of this space for a couple years they come back to check on their dog
and their pizza ninjas and they see world going everywhere yeah okay we'll get back on track that's
obviously i think the least likely outcome no but you know i mean i mean like jokes aside like you
know i i really think what you said leo like like, like if these AI companies, you know, if they start getting interested in blockchain and stuff, it's going to be it's going to be really cool.
You know, again, like I wouldn't expect it's going to come like immediately because what I have seen, like, you know, open open AI just acquired some like, like health uh health company right so they're they're like
getting into health and this and that um i don't know if like you know for these guys like getting
after crypto like is the number one priority but again like i don't know if this rumor turns out
to be true or maybe if it's not anthropic if it's some other company that starts really pushing it at scale, then it would be super huge.
And it would be super huge for people like, you know, Adam, right?
Like, and Jake, because they're building something like that, right?
Like, they're building some sort of, like, you know, the hustle agent that they're, like, working on connecting AI with crypto.
working on connecting AI with crypto.
And we also know that Coinbase is doing something
with the agentic payments, whatever it is.
And we actually even have another company
that is also using Xverse Infra, Kira,
that is also trying to do some sort of...
You can basically ask an agent anything about specific wallet
and stuff like that, and you can get a breakdown of the data
And so there is like few startups and few companies that are obviously doing it because they're focused on like AI crypto
but if these like big
Traditional quote-unquote traditional AI companies or native AI companies would actually go into crypto
That would be fucking huge for us because like everybody talks about ai people would start talking about crypto again pretty heavily
so that would be really good well it would fit the trend what i basically heard is that the u.s
is just absolutely crushing it in terms of these like trevor what's the term that you use for them
like the model like the tier one models
or whatever it is like the foundation models foundation models we're kicking ass with like
we've got really really great kind of general purpose models and we've got you know several
like you know massive build outs of data centers great competition you know really incredible stuff
happening there, right?
Where we lack and where I think China is like really crushing it is the open source models.
So China just makes the models free for everyone, effectively free. And then they're trying to
build like an app store on top of the model. So apparently in China, they're like not just having
this generic chat GPT that you talk to that tries to do everything.
They have like literally thousands of startups building specific apps on top of the free models that are then solving a very specific product, a specific problem.
And they're apparently way ahead of us in that regard where it's like we have this great kind of magic genie in a bottle.
You can ask it and it does a pretty good job at everything.
But they're really good at like nailing down a specific issue. Like, so they're probably more integrated into their hospitals than maybe we are in the U.S.
ChatGPT is like, you know, it's a good generic thing for medicine, but it's not in a hospital yet.
So I think there is if it's true that we're trying to catch up with China.
Sorry, sorry to interrupt, but where did you get this
data because i don't see that yet like you know i i don't see that like china would be so ahead
in terms of like integrating like ai with like hospitals and like okay i i made up the hospital
thing the point that it was like an example that they're building at the app layer, whereas we're building at the, like, we're focused on the model genie in the bottle product over and over.
It's, like, basically GROC and, you know, they're all the same thing.
Like, Gemini, they're all the same product.
Yeah.
I mean, China has exactly the same stuff, too.
You know, like, all the big companies like Bydance and, you know, Alibaba and all these guys, they have their own model, you know.
So it may be completely built from scratch or it could be based off of DeepSeek, whatever.
I don't know the details, but, you know, people are using these things and, you know, it's pretty good. It's obviously contextually mostly useful
for stuff in China or Asia
because it has the most data for that.
But it's pretty good
and it works basically the same as ChatGPT.
And then what you can see quite a bit
and I've seen some applications
my friends are using,
you have this local local uber app called dd and
they have very nicely integrated uh ai into that already so basically the experience is very
different like i don't know if uber has this because i only use uber when i travel let's say
when i go to the us but like to me that experience still feels exactly the same i just like pick a location there is not much ai going on
but in china like there is like ai so you basically it has all the information about your trips and you
can literally just talk to the app and say hey i'm going to the company and it will already know like
where you're going and it will even give you like like a list of like five different uh cars that you can pick
from and it will tell you like if you accept in the next three seconds you can actually have this
specific car so you can actually even choose specific types of cars that are around you
and that can send you to your destination and it's all done by by ai and you can just like talk to it
you don't even have to like pick a location specific location you know it just remembers it so i think people are interacting with these apps in a different way
and they're just like much more like integrated with ai to that level yes but i haven't seen
anything else like like beyond that too much uh but but yeah like you know it's it's interesting
point and it's good to observe you know yeah. Yeah, so the bottom line I was saying, though, is that if in the U.S. we doGBD came out. But like you still go into a hospital or a school or these things in the U.S.
and there's not a AI really integrated solving a specific problem yet.
Right.
It's happening some, but it could happen a lot more.
And the point that I'm making is if the market determines that the value of
Anthropic and OpenAI and XAI is that they're actually moving in this kind of like,
they're going to have like a Google G Suite of 50 different apps.
If they move in that direction, you can imagine the financial aspect could be one of them.
And actually, these AI companies have like a fintech kind of angle and app that they do, and they would probably build that on
a blockchain, that could be really interesting for us because then it's like AI merging with crypto,
which I think genuinely to this day really has not happened. Like there's been some crypto
builders leveraging AI tech, but the AI scene and the investments in AI have totally done nothing with crypto. There's no overlap, basically.
And I would like to see the, instead of just the crypto world, investors and builders doing
stuff with AI and crypto, I'd like to see the AI builders build some financial products
too.
I think that could be interesting.
So yeah, bottom line, could be very bullish.
You know, we'll have to see what happens.
But yeah, Trevor, interesting rumor for sure.
I mean, this is also kind of what you see
towards the tail end of any bubble, right?
So when the bubble starts at the top,
what you see is,
or what you have is rather,
is you have these companies
that have like overpriced equity, right?
A lot of these acquisitions are not pure cash,
though I would say the AI companies
do have a lot of cash as well.
But I think that this rumor seems pretty realistic to me because number one,
I mean, you see this anyways with sort of on the path towards going public, for example,
the number of acquisitions that Facebook did in the year before it went public,
I believe it outnumbered all the acquisitions
that they'd done prior to that, right?
Because you're essentially building a portfolio
of longer horizon bets that they're pitching to investors.
And so you are going to start to see
Anthropic, OpenAI, et cetera,
go on much more acquisition sprees because they are trying to justify their valuation.
They also have a lot of cash and they have overpriced equity.
And so if your equity is super overpriced, you're going to want to leverage that to be able to acquire.
Most of these acquisitions are done by a stock deal.
a stock deal.
So a lot of them aren't heavily cash-based.
So a lot of them aren't heavily cash-based.
So it's like if OpenAI is really worth only $100 billion,
but they're currently trading at a trillion dollars,
well, now that every startup they buy,
they're getting like a 90% discount on them.
So I think that it wouldn't be unusual to see
as the growth in the AI sector starts to maybe taper off,
that these companies more aggressively go after acquisitions
to justify their valuation,
to as well bring in talent, bring in teams,
and just try to be the one that has the press release going out.
If you saw with ChatGPT announced the health functionality
or the health app that they're launching,
I think it was within a week,
Anthropic also announced Collade Health or whatever.
And they literally posted that they had a team build that in a week.
So it's like you have this rat race
of getting the PR headlines,
of having feature parity,
of they're under a lot of scrutiny
to just offer their valuation.
So sometimes the laziest answer,
which is what humans always gravitate towards,
is making more acquisitions.
And I could see one acquisition in the crypto space
leading to another, leading to another,
leading to maybe, I don't know, who knows,
all you can eat buffet of these AI companies
being like, hey, the AI startup valuations
are way too high and it doesn't make,
so we're not going to pay 100 mil
for two guys who have an idea just because they worked at OpenAI before. we're not going to pay like 100 mil for people,
two guys who have an idea just because they worked at OpenAI before.
You know, why don't we go to these crypto companies which are super underpriced and being ignored
and we can actually get like CoinGecko.
Someone was saying it's a top, like a top 2000 website,
like that has 70 million,
you know, millions and millions of,
like just the audience that they have.
And again, like,
while a lot of people know about ChatGPT,
there's still a large group of people
who have never heard of Claude,
have never heard,
don't know what that Anthropic is, Claude,
don't know what Anthropic is,
have heard of ChatGPT,
probably aren't using it.
And so there's still a large opportunity for them to benefit from coming into crypto and
going on a buying spree.
Guys, all we need is we need Elon Musk to start talking about, you know, how crypto
is important for these AI companies, because think about it, right?
It's when Elon Musk said, hey, we're going to do data centers in space, then like some old man was
like, okay, let's start a company to do the same thing, you know, and that became a topic.
Then like Elon Musk said, how how his robots are gonna be the best
surgeons you know and and then open ai acquires like a health health startup you know and as you
said claude goes after it so you know we just need to get elon musk to start tweeting about bitcoin
and crypto again and then like you know i think we're gonna get closer to these guys to actually
saying like okay we're gonna do crypto now yeah it's a good point. Cause like when I used to think about chat GPT and still to
a degree, when I think about open AI and chat GPT, I do just think of that chat product, the smart
little thing you talk to, but they acquired, like they acquired Johnny, I've started up, which is
like now open AI, even though there's no product out, you can think of it. It's going to be a
hardware company competing with Apple.
You can think of, okay, now it does the video and the images really well, and they're pushing that a lot.
So now they're kind of, that's a totally different use case, in my opinion, than just the chat smart thing, the smart brain that you talk to.
And all of a sudden, you have a suite of 20 of those things.
You've kind of created a new version of Google, but that's AI native faster
than Google was able to take their existing product suite and try to transform it to AI.
So I think that's the pitch like to grow much larger. Yeah, you got to you got to expand. You
can't just be the Google search bar. You got to create the ecosystem. And I think that's probably
what they're trying. They're they're in the process of doing. And I agree, the fastest way to do it, Trevor, is just buy up a bunch of companies. And if they
care about being involved in basically finance at all, which is a huge category of apps on the app
store, yeah, crypto is the way to do that. They're not going to go get a bank charter, right? They're
going to build on rails that would work natively with AI. So it's an interesting trend. We'll have
to watch it. We'll pay attention to it on the show.
I think it's a good call out.
Whether it's true or not, it does mean that there's some potential interest in AI and
crypto maybe.
So very cool.
I had another topic I wanted to bring up.
Pastor Knack launched his new kind of V2 of Believe.
I don't know if you guys follow this or care about it at all, but I saw some Twitter spaces about it last night and then I tried it today.
Basically, for people who don't know, Pasternak's first kind of crypto product was basically
investing in people and basically like every human becomes like a stock or a meme coin
and that kind of failed and then
he launched believe which was kind of like y combinator for crypto where like anybody can
permissionlessly come and launch a startup and it has a token associated with it it's kind of like
pump fun except it's uh people building startups and it's the utility token for their startup
whereas pump fun was more just meme coins, non-utility meme coins.
So we created like Believe.
It's like a platform to launch utility tokens for your startup.
And then Pastor Naxx's whole thing was like, we'll help guide you to build a startup.
He's now pivoted from that to his third crypto thing, which is Believe V2.
Still the Believe app, still the Believe brand, still the Believe token.
But it has this new kind of angle where it's a prediction market.
So the way it works is you can go create a Believe, basically prediction market for anybody.
It's like BitClout merge with prediction markets.
You can, I can go right now
and create a to by the way i like your new name trevor uh i like to i dig that i think it matches
it's very very clean i can go make a to uh believe and please please don't by the way guys please
don't yeah just to be clear i actually don't think they've watched this yet there's only two coins
they've approved which is nikita has done his, and then Ben
did his coins for himself.
And it's just a prediction market.
So I don't think you can't actually literally go do this, but in the coming weeks, they'll
roll this out.
Maybe I'll use Yon, for example.
You can go create Yon coin or Yon prediction market and you tokenize Yon, but it would
be not a normal meme coin that can go to infinity.
It would be a prediction market.
And you go look, and Yon would be somewhere between 0% and 100%.
And it's basically supposed to map to Yon's likability and attention.
So basically, let's say Yon's at like a 25%.
People aren't very happy with him.
But then all of a sudden, you know, experts launches this
awesome new feature that people are really excited about. And Jan's like tweeting about it. He's very
popular that day. In theory, it would go from 25% to 45% to maybe 55%, right? And people could
speculate basically on a zero to 100 thing. I'm a little skeptical about it. I don't really know if there's
behavior of like wanting to do a prediction market on if people are going to go from zero
to 100 or 100 to zero, but it's a thing that they're trying and it's a spin on prediction
markets. And I did predict that this would be a trend with prediction markets is, you know,
you already have Calci and Polymarket and some like big, just generic trade everything on our app.
I think there will be hyper-focus, like just for college football prediction market app
or just for, you know, this angle that Pastor NAC is doing for prediction markets.
So it'll be interesting to see what he does here.
He's obviously got enough of a notoriety to get some attention, to get some people to use it.
I don't personally think it'll be super sticky,
but it's interesting.
I mean,
it's people trying something interesting.
So that,
that a lot of people were calling it faster than that crime crime mode that
he's in right now.
They don't like it,
but it was a cool,
it's a cool idea.
I mean,
I think it's a cool idea.
First of all,
I thought that he rugged that
at that site like i'm just like him like for me his stock went up because i found out today he
didn't rug that app at all um there was some drama around the two i don't know if you saw leo
people were saying that the nikita beer coin was not like uh I guess Nikita was an advisor to believe.
And, but I don't think he authorized that himself to be a market there.
So, and I guess there was some, there was some comments,
there was some back and forth that Nikita was like an early advisor investor.
And then like they had a falling out so that ben pasternick is what it
appears to be is like intentionally launching it right now to like kind of you know uh feed off of
the uh nikita you know attention that's happening right now and that he wasn't like given permission
to launch nikita's um market um but understandably like a lot of people on crypto Twitter would be eager to like go and
like, and like downvote Nikita's Nikita's coin, right? So, you know, seems like not a very
classy move, you know, I'm saying, but hustler is going to hustle, I guess.
Trevor, this is core functionality to the way it it works That was that you can go and take any Twitter account and basically do this to it
That person can then connect their Twitter account to like verify it and then they get to earn the fees
So you're incentivized to go collect that maybe hundred thousand dollar fees Nikita would be making off this, right?
So that's how it works bags zap actually just literally recently did the same
thing this is finn from d gods his bag zap basically they do a very similar thing and you
you can make coins on people's behalf basically and then they have to connect their x account to
claim the fees i think this is like kind of going to be a short-term thing for legal reasons i
remember playing uh the kind of first experiment the first short-term thing for legal reasons. I remember playing the kind of
first experiment, the first version of any of this back in 2018, January, 2018. It was two months
after CryptoKitties came out. Everybody was like, oh my gosh, NFTs, CryptoKitties. And then there
was like all of a sudden CryptoCelebrities. That was like the next thing after CryptoKitties that
people moved to. And it had its day. It had like a week of
excitement. And then all the celebrities like started suing the company, right? So you cannot
tokenize someone's likeness. It's like likeness is very protected. It's why like even a company
like OpenAI that is like very, you know, has infinite money and legal resources was not able
to make a voice that sounded similar to Scarlett Johansson, right? You have to get people's permission. Their likeness is, it's
almost like your likeness is a company. You don't have to register anything. Just like,
if it's your name and your face and this sort of stuff, then you own it inherently as a human being
in the legal system in the U.S. And I think what, what Finn, Bags, and Pasternak are doing with Believe probably violates
some stuff. And I think probably there's not enough wiggle room here. This has nothing to do
with SEC law. This has nothing to do with money transmitter, none of that. This is like basic IP
law that I think is very strong and upheld very well. And there's going to be no wiggle room in
court for this kind of thing. Yeah, somebody will make an Elon coin, for example,
or somebody will make an Elon prediction market on bags.
And I think, you know, maybe Elon doesn't care,
but someone will eventually care and they'll sue, right?
So I think there's a liability associated with that.
I just know this because it's what happened with crypto celebrities, right?
Like, you know, you could trade Kanye and, uh,
Vitalik and, you know, I think like even Trump was on there and Obama and like, you know,
Ronaldo and you could trade all these people. And it's actually really fun. It was actually
really fun. Uh, you could trade all these people. It was a hot potato contract. So
we don't have to get too deep into this because probably nobody gives a shit,
but basically the way it worked was, you know, you would buy it for $5 and then it would instantly resell, relist itself for $10.
So you could never actually own it.
Somebody could always buy it for twice the price.
So what this resulted in was a very, very fast, rapid price discovery.
But then you're screwed because you can't buy it cheaper than
that. So once it like hits a peak and then it's over, unless somehow momentum comes back. So it's
like untradeable. And basically what happened was they all just peaked out at a high and then have
never moved since then because it's a hot potato contract. There was a bunch of these in 2018.
And yeah, basically they got sued. You can't make tokens of people's faces and likeness.
And then that was it.
So I'm curious how they'll get around this here.
My guess is this mechanism is like a growth mechanism
where they're assuming we're a little startup,
nobody will care.
And then probably by the time they're getting sued
with this kind of stuff, they're popular enough
that they'll just switch the mechanism off.
And it'll still be the same experience, but you'll have to go connect your X account to
launch your own versus anybody doing it on your behalf, right?
That's probably what it'll have to end up doing.
Because I agree with Trevor.
Like, do you remember when the fantasy, I don't remember the name.
I think it was on Blast Fantasy Cards.
Fantasy Top, is that what it's called?
Fantasy Top.
I remember people did this for me.
I didn't love it i didn't yell at anybody but i was like the part that i didn't like was i think
there was like this assumption that by maybe half the people who were naive about it that i was
involved and i got lots of messages about it and i was not gonna like feed into the attention on it by tweeting about it, which is
what basically happens when you denounce it. It's like feeding into the whole thing. I didn't,
I wasn't a fan of the platform at all for doing this. And yeah, bottom line, I said, you know,
I'm just not going to do anything. And it kind of died off. But a bunch of people messaged me.
And I think the default assumption was, yeah, like, this is real. This is Leonidas is behind this or involved somehow because it's his likeness and name, and that's not true.
And I'm not going to sue anyone over shit.
I'm not a huge fan of the legal system and stuff.
It's just not who I am.
You know, I'm not going to handle stuff in other ways unless it's, like, a very last resort.
But, yeah, I can see how see how like people would not like that
right and and it sounds like trevor you wouldn't be a huge fan of you know checking believe and
seeing your people are trading you on there right like that's probably like if you had a choice if
that happening or not happening you would probably say no right like you don't want that happening i
think that's kind of not great yeah yeah totally especially if the website is taking
fees on it you know i'm saying um i think i think though um it's interesting um what was that what
was that site that dingaling launched um that was like um i and it was like also a copycat of another
thing it was just a pump fun clone that was like in august when all these people were launching
launchpads it wasn't anything other than that though i don't think it was it was just a PumpFun clone. That was like in August when all these people were launching launchpads.
It wasn't anything other than that, though, I don't think.
It was like a meme coin launchpad.
But he had something where they were launching a token,
and they would actually, if you launched your creator coin or something on their platform,
you would get part of the airdrop.
Do you remember that?
Oh, interesting. I didn't know that. No.
So there wasn't any requirement for you to do anything.
In fact, I think Jonah Blake, I think he claimed it. know that now so that there wasn't any requirement for you to do anything in fact i think jonah
blake i think he uh like claimed it so he claimed the airdrop but he just like launched his coin and
he posted he's like hey guys do not fucking buy this i'm just doing it for the airdrop but then
i think ding-a-ling's team went in and they um like didn't give him the airdrop because he obviously was just trying to get in the system
right interesting yeah i'm not a fan of all that stuff i think it's like it's not authentic and
it's not it's not authentic like if you're promoting something it's why i didn't love the whole
i don't know i don't know there was what like? Pump coin. Last year, there was a trade loud. You guys remember loud? No. Okay. You had to tweet about it. And the more you tweeted about
it, the more of the coin you got. So it was like incentivizing people to post about a coin they
didn't believe in, but it was just, that's how you earned it. And it's very similar to the yaps
and stuff like this. In general, I'm not a fan, like tweet about stuff that you think your
followers should probably buy.
I know like that's not what you're supposed to say, but that's probably how you should behave.
It's like if you're tweeting about it, whether you're Anselm acting super edgy and just doing the ticker and then an eye emoji, you know, and he'll sit here and say, I didn't promote it.
I just did the eye emoji.
Dude, you promoted that
shit. That's what you're doing. Obviously we're not retarded. Right. So when you're tweeting about
something and this is CZ does it too. CZ is like, I'm this, you know, he, he, he has this persona
of like, I'm a boomer that doesn't understand technology very well. And somebody created this
fun meme coin about me on BNB, which by the way, we have a very strategic thing of needing meme coin trading on the BNB blockchain that I own half the coins of and has made me a deck of billionaire.
And we desperately need people trading there.
So there's no attention because it's totally cooked and not organic over there.
And basically, he is the one who's obviously his job is to bring the attention.
But he frames it like he's a boomer that doesn't understand the tech.
And he says, you know, somebody created this coin of my dog.
And then he like does the dollar sign Rockley.
And he's like, I don't believe in this coin.
Don't buy it.
But it's like he's obviously trying to get you to buy it.
The point that I'm making is when you're on X and you're tweeting about something and bringing it lots of attention you are in my opinion endorsing
it unless you are like vehemently hating it uh it's very clear that you're just endorsing it so
when you're tweeting about loud like this is my personal opinion i looked down on any influencer
who tweeted about loud to get the airdrop and then promoted that to their followers
and they're all they all got wrapped i think that
was kind of like an l move as an influencer i think that hurts your reputation certainly in my
eyes like i'm not going to listen to what you have to say because you clearly don't have any
issues selling out your followers like that so yeah i would tend to say uh be careful what you
tweet about and tweet about things that you actually believe in that you actually think
will go up over time that's it that's the's the rule. That's how crypto Twitter works. And if you make
bad calls, like you're not going to have very good reputation here. You're not going to have
many people wanting to read your tweets. And yeah, that's pretty much how I don't even know
why we got on that, Trevor. I'm trying to. We're talking about, yeah, we're talking about believe
and sort of like, I mean, you have a great point.
Like this idea of like creator coins or, you know,
betting on people is as old as Web3 is, you know,
is before the word Web3, even when someone came up with it, right?
Back to 2018, there was BitClout and there was Frentech.
I mean, actually, this is the one I want to talk about is, I mean, what do you like?
So with Frentech, I mean, they actually like were going for the utility, right?
Like they're like, can you buy someone's key?
You get to be in their chat.
You get to have a private chat with them.
Like that is pretty cool to me.
You know, how do you think about that compared to this believe model of betting on people, so to speak, or trying to essentially – what do you call it when you turn something into an asset?
I mean, they're basically trying to turn people into –
Tokenize it.
Yeah.
I guess so, yeah.
Tokenize it.
Monetize your – something monetized?
No, tokenize is actually your something monetized no tokenize is the is actually the best the best best word it's just such a kind of cringe word these days you know yeah so i i thought fintech was awesome
um i think it's like i wish fintech succeeded i personally didn't launch it for the same reason why it's why i'm not a huge fan of like the base social stuff which
by the way base jesse announced today they're pivoting away from creator coins on base uh which
we predicted on the show um yeah i mean like dude like what base is doing is predatory they're
telling a bunch of artists to launch a meme coin every day.
I mean, you're just going to nuke the artist's reputation doing that.
And it was a little bit similar with friend tech where it's like,
what's actually happening guys.
And let's be extremely clear about it.
When you sign up for friend tech and launch keys,
you are launching a token with your name on it.
And pretty much the name of the game on in crypto is like have as few
rugged tokens in your past as possible. Ideally zero. That's pretty much how it works. And it's
like it's hard to do because the whole job of the app player is to make it as casual and informal to
launch token as possible. They want you to launch tokens, right? But it's in your best interest to
be really careful. And what I always
say is I don't care if it's an NFT collection, a meme coin, a utility, whatever it is, make sure
you're going to work on that for years. You're going to be involved with that for years. And I
think that's the expectation. It's like, that's just the expectation. So you're going to at least
put a really good effort in for at least a year is like what I would say. And yeah, I think
Frientech was cool. I think it was neat. It's like, you know, it really is value. Like I think uh friend tech was cool I think I think it was neat it's like you know
it really is value like I think there's real value in being able to be you know pay for a key
and have you know access to you know a venture capitalist or you know some you know artists
that you're a huge fan of or an influencer or something like this or you know, artists that you're a huge fan of or an influencer or something like this. Or, you know, theoretically, if it grew bigger, it could be athletes, celebrities, right?
I think that's a pretty cool idea.
I think the issue that it ran into was what always happens in crypto, which is it got
way too speculative.
So all of a sudden, it's worth like $50 million to be in Ansum's group chat and probably access
to talk to this like random guy who just created an X account and
made a few good trades probably isn't worth $50 million.
So yeah, that, that was an issue.
The speculative aspect was an issue.
I think interestingly, have you guys kind of seen what Blau and his little brother have
been doing recently?
They're, they've kind of like created friend tech 2.0, but without the speculation, you
guys have either of you guys seen this?
No, I haven't.
Yeah, so basically what they do is they kind of saw what Jesse was doing and didn't like it.
They saw what Frientech was doing, didn't like it.
They, in general, kind of seem like they kind of grew a distaste for, like, to be involved with crypto as an artist, you have to launch basically a meme coin, right?
And this idea is inherently flawed.
Like, I don't think an artist, it's kind of like a byproduct, but it shouldn't be the main thing that people are speculating so heavily on you.
So they set out, and I think this was Blau's little brother's idea.
They set out to essentially make it so that you could be in the Frientech chat,
essentially that chat experience, a token-gated chat, but not have to speculate.
They didn't want the speculation.
So the way it works is under the hood,
they're using DeFi.
So it's basically a kind of stable coin yield lending type protocol,
where basically it's built on base and you can go and like,
for example, I'm in, you know, staking towards Blau.
So like I put like 20 bucks on Blau and that allows me to be
in a certain tier where I get some certain benefits as a fan of Blau. You know, Justin's
his name now. And yeah, basically he earns the yield, the interest essentially on that USDC.
So I don't even see that or know that, right? People are just basically, I forget the term they use, they don't use the word staking,
but people are kind of locking up US dollar cash towards somebody they're a fan of.
You can withdraw at any time.
So I can put in 20 bucks.
I can withdraw my 20 bucks now if I want to.
While I have it there, I get access to certain things.
And the idea is an artist can use crypto and have basically a tokenized fan club and not have this kind of speculative meme coin thing that happens,
which has really hurt a lot of people in the sense that if you're an artist, it really can
hurt your reputation if you don't understand what you're getting into. And I think what Jesse was
pushing everyone to do was really harmful to a lot of artists, in my opinion.
So yeah,
bottom line.
Yeah.
You can,
you know,
be an artist and earn 5% a year on that million dollars that's stake to you.
That's $50,000.
You know,
Justin can be earning a year of revenue by supporting his fans and his fans get access to him.
And it's this kind of unique,
clever way to do non-speculation,
but still have a very,
very similar utility at the end of the day that economically works and still has the incentives.
And then I think most importantly is sustainable, right? It's a sustainable model. It's not sustainable for anybody, unless you're willing to show up every day in post-dog to make a meme coin relevant long-term.
It's really hard to be a multi-cycle meme coin.
It's extremely hard.
So in 99.9% of these cases,
the artist, the celebrity is just gonna end up
with a rugged thing that was a very short-term thing.
And this is a way to have a fan club
using crypto and blockchain tech to make money
and it's sustainable long-term.
I think it's pretty cool.
I hope they figure out a way to make it super popular.
That's a version of Frientech that I fully endorse.
And I still think Frientech would be cool if they could make it work.
I just think, yeah, it was too much speculation.
And then the meta moves along, right?
And nobody wants to speculate on it anymore.
And I guess there wasn't enough real value created. You got to create the real value at the end of the day right by the way guys
when we're talking about these uh creator coins again what do you guys think about the
the new york coin did you guys see that the ex-mayor oh my god i'm like i saw it yesterday
i think and i was like what the is going on yeah I think, and I was like, what the fuck is going on?
Yeah, and they rugged the liquidity, right?
Yeah, I mean... A few hours after launching it.
Like, what the fuck is that?
Like, a guy that used to be a mayor needs like a rock pull on his resume?
like good for him I'm sure he has no idea probably and it's kind of a shame
Like, good for him.
Yeah, I'm sure he has no idea, probably.
that there's more people didn't cover it in the media because yeah it's a public
figure which should be held to higher standard than like a musician or
somebody or or an actor or something but I'm sure it's the same thing as like
what you see with all these other people, actors that don't understand crypto is it's probably a third party who approaches this guy and they're like, hey, we'll give you 25 grand today to like say a couple words in a video, basically, and post this from your account.
probably either like they're i mean i don't know it's hard to know but it's like in some ways
they're kind of a victim almost because this person is cashing in on their like ruining their
reputation without them really fully understanding what they're doing um but yeah it's just a shame
and it's sad all around so i slightly disagree in the sense that i think in some cases, yes, they're a victim.
I don't think in this case he was a victim.
I think he knew what he was getting himself into.
It's not like we haven't.
I mean, we have to assume that none of them are the victims.
You know what I mean?
Just like it is, if we're going to combat this, we have to assume that they have to bear the responsibility, for sure.
I guess my point is, like, we had a whole round of these celebrity coins, right?
And it was, like, very clear what happened.
And, like, you know, Mayor Adams could go to Chachabuse and ask about it in 10 seconds, figure it out.
He, you know, hosted a press conference in time square and announced
this thing like it wasn't a tiny like tweet he did right he did a full press he didn't tell anyone
what it was had all the press show up you know they don't know if he you know what the hell's
going on he does this you know he gets on a stage in the middle of time square and announces that
i'm watching a meme coin so it was yeah my guess is he's probably making half the money.
He probably made millions off this.
He was probably approached by a group of people who are basically serial celebrity meme coin
scammers type situation and basically Hayden Davis, little wannabes.
And they told him, hey, you know, you can either go write a book and write a book and work your ass off writing a book.
It'll take six months, and then you'll have to go on tour
and go to hundreds of bookstores, and you'll make $3 million.
Or you can literally do this press conference for 15 minutes
and then also make $3 million.
And he just chose the easy path.
And I don't think he's dumb enough to think that like that money came from nowhere.
You know what I'm saying, right?
Like this coin has 95% of the supply controlled.
The reason it's able to still be high today and go so high is that it's a low float coin.
If you actually like if you accurately showed the market cap, it's like a $5 million coin,
right?
95% is basically not real. Like it's held by the team that $5 million coin, right? 95% is basically not real. It's held by the team that
they'll eventually dump, right? So all around a bad look for New York City, bad look for
the mayor, the former mayor of New York City, and bad look for crypto. Nobody wins here.
Literally no one wins except the insiders that did it, I guess.
No one wins except the insiders that did it, I guess.
Like, who knows?
Maybe the guy didn't have very much money.
Like, you don't make much money as mayor.
And I don't know, like...
Yeah, maybe he's broke, like, literally.
A lot of the actors, musicians, etc., that launch a meme coin,
the rugs are also broke and they're good.
I mean, that's part of how these intermediaries do it, right?
They're looking for somebody who's broke.
I mean, it all makes sense, guys, but come on.
Can you just imagine that somebody who managed to become a mayor of New York City
doesn't know how to monetize the platform
the president of Venezuela Argentina did the same thing he did the same thing
happened who's a no I get it I get it I get it I get it you know like I I don't
know but like you know Argentinaina did the same thing but i
think the guy the the the president of argentina or whatever you know is it prem no it's not premier
it's president right it's president of argentina uh he probably didn't make that much money right
because it was like it was like covered under that this is gonna be for argentina right or something
whatever i don't
know like i mean i have no clue i just fundamentally do not believe that they're that stupid yeah i
mean that's what i'm saying i'm saying that like 100 they cannot be that stupid i also don't believe
that they're that broke because i just don't believe that you can be broke after becoming a mayor of New York City.
Because, like, obviously to become a mayor of New York City, you need to have some people to support you.
You know, you need to have some sort of, like, network.
You know, you need to have some connections.
You're not just like a fucking puppet that they picked out of nowhere.
And you don't know anything.
You have nothing
and suddenly you become a mayor right um and so you need to be able to like figure out how to
monetize it maybe you don't get a lot of salary when you're the mayor i get it like they cannot
pay you probably millions of dollars every year you know from public accounts or public money
even though it probably happens sometimes but you, you know, that I understand.
But I wouldn't understand a point,
like, the guy being broke afterwards.
Like, I just think, like, you know,
probably he is not broke.
He's just greedy as fuck.
Yeah, definitely.
I think, like, look,
if anybody is ever in this situation,
go the book route.
You know, the book route is at least, like, look, if anybody is ever in this situation, go the book route. You know, the book route is at least like providing value and getting value versus scamming people.
Go the book route.
Like do what like Harry and Meghan did.
Like even that's just pretty shallow.
But at least they didn't launch a meme coin.
You know what I'm saying?
Like take the higher road, which in this case is, I guess, a book or a Netflix documentary or whatever.
At least provide some entertainment value to people.
Yeah, don't sell out your likeness to some scammers who, yeah, who will take advantage of you, obviously.
But also, you kind of know what you're getting into, I would imagine, in a lot of these cases.
Yeah, not great.
Not great.
I always say if anybody famous wants to launch a meme coin, I'm here.
I don't charge anything.
I'll give you great advice.
It'll be a free and fair airdrop.
You'll still make a lot of money in fees on the trading.
He could probably make more money launching a legit coin than what he
just did but no so far nobody's interested in approaching me they all want the instant
liquidity pool rugging situation uh yeah we need we need some we need a higher level of uh
yeah i don't know if as long as the market keeps buying it up, people will keep doing it, I guess, is the reality.
Like, I was disappointed.
Like, even, you know how, like, there was kind of the LA vape cabal.
You guys know what I'm talking about, right?
Like, Frank and Threadguy and, like, Leap and a bunch of these guys.
They tried really hard to get this famous guy from Vine.
I'm forgetting his name now, but he was, like, one of the stars from Vine.
They tried to get him to launch a coin, but do it the right way. And they like posted all these videos about it and all this stuff. And like, he was acting like he was all into the, into doing it the right way.
Okay. That kid rugged the coin within a week. Okay. He did all these videos for two months
learning about crypto, learning how to do it the right way. Thread guy said the words the right way like hundreds of times to the skid.
And he rugged it in a week.
He was gone from the videos within a week.
I don't really know what to say.
Like this was in-person tutorials on what to do.
And he rugged that coin in a week.
So I don't really know what to say, guys.
This is why people, you know, we use the phrase, like, from the culture.
Like, you know, it's like, it's not something that you can teach somebody if you're not from the culture.
Yeah, like, so what's happening to Iggy Azalea's coin?
Is she at least doing something?
Because she seemed like the closest we've had to a celebrity
that actually cared about their coin would probably be her,
the mother token.
Do we know what's going on with that?
I think that ran its course.
I don't know if any,
doesn't seem to me like anything's going on with it anymore.
All right, I'm going to do a little research.
We're going to figure out what's going on with Mother.
I mean, to me, it's like, look, she almost passed the test.
She was at least tweeting about it for six months, which is like my one-year litmus test.
Like, honestly, if Iggy Azalea launches the coin and she tweets about it for a year and
goes on podcasts for a year and works for a year for it, I'm okay with that.
She can rug it after a year.
You're in the top 1% of celebrities if you actually work for a year for it. I'm okay with that. She can rug it after a year. You're in the top 1% of celebrities
if you actually work for a year.
Celebrities, their time is valuable.
If you work for your coin for a year,
you're okay in my books, right?
So let's see what we have here.
Mother, we're checking it out.
Everybody gets the market cap.
I haven't typed it in yet.
Mother's market cap.
Between 50 to 500k
50 to okay i think it's more it has a lot of centralized exchange listings trevor so it'll
be more than that i think but jan make your guess it went to like 200 million so it's probably like
a few million yeah i'm making a guess. Jan's quickly looking it up.
I don't know, man.
I don't know.
What do you mean?
What do you mean?
What kind of guess?
What's the market cap of Mother, Jan?
You know what we're talking about.
Don't act like you're not a dick.
Oh, fuck, Mother.
Oh, my God.
Mother is probably at, right now, I would say it's like $420,000.
Okay, let's check it out.
We got Mother Iggy, $2.3 million.
$2.3 million.
But yeah, obviously down a lot.
All right, and then we're going to see what has Iggy done.
We're going to take a look.
Because she legitimately, she hosted parties.
She went on podcasts.
She made a real effort to go viral.
She debated Udi's co-founder.
Like she did the shit that you're supposed to do.
She was on Twitter spaces.
She,
she like tried to join crypto Twitter and tweeted for many months.
Yeah.
She still has mother in her bio.
That's a very solid check Mark to me.
She's got mother as her banner.
So again,
another solid.
That's huge. I mean, that again another solid that's huge i mean that's very that's really big she's basically already passed my limit yeah she was an ally for sure
every morning she says the mother yeah she to me she's like the first influencer ever
to pass the test because definitely yeah i mean mad respect i mean got to give her more props
definitely yeah i mean mad respect i mean got to give her more props
agreed agreed i think uh yeah yeah like she was hosting on december 22nd
she hosted a twitter space called g mother episode 27 488 people tuned in
yeah and she talked about mother the whole time and her handle is or no she has an account mother that
hosted it let's see okay so let's see if she showed up to this if she showed up to this she
gets like triple credit and is she just making a few bucks from like the trading fees on the
coin she's earning money on the trading fees but it's also like i i really think that people
undervalue their reputation her she's a very famous celebrity, you know, billions of listens on Spotify
and stuff like this.
She can leverage her reputation
to earn hundreds of millions of dollars
in the future doing things, in my opinion.
And she really hurts the ability to do that
if she nukes her reputation on a meme coin.
Okay, so let's see.
Huge for stable coins. I mean, think of it i'll find one one okay it's a
dude on an account that's called mother talking she did not actually join the space so that's
not great because now i think that all the g mother posts are a guy that works for her so okay
that's a little bit different all right so she has a guy running her Twitter account who knows how to do crypto Twitter.
That's at least what's happening.
That's a minimum of what's happening, which at least they're still doing it a year and a half later.
Again, so that's still better than that.
That's still like 100 times more than any other celebrity has ever even done.
Yeah, I don't disagree.
I'm not going to argue that.
Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah, she passes the disagree. I'm not going to argue that. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah, she passes the test still.
She passes the test.
Hmm.
Yeah, very interesting.
All right, well,
that's the situation.
Wait, what?
What is this?
I thought I was just scrolling through Iggy's repost,
and Elizabeth Olsen is on it,
and Kamski.
They're interviewing somebody who has a token called Neon.
I don't know if she's getting paid to repost this or what's going on.
Are you sure you're looking at the right X account?
I'm 100% on Iggy Azalea's official X account.
She reposted Thrust.
She reposted Thrust.
The future of creator capital markets Thrust.
So she might be doing some paid promo,
which docs her in my book a bit if that's happening.
Because I don't see how this ties into Iggy because I don't see how this ties into Iggy.
I don't see how this ties into her brand at all.
It's just a random repost mixed into her main content.
She might make like $1,000 to repost.
Okay, okay.
She's reposting a lot of this neon.
She's reposting a lot of neon stuff, so she probably has an agreement with neon.
I think my pivot from ordinals
and runes isn't i think it's gonna have to be towards uh investigative zach xbt stuff i feel
like uh zach isn't as active on the kind of crypto twitter side of things he goes after like really
hardened criminals that are like hackers but we're kind of lacking on the
like holding the influencers
accountable kind of stuff. There's like
too much work for one person to do.
I think there's also certain things
which are like beneath him, you know, like
he's a pretty smart
like on-chain sleuth
who tries to go after like North
Korea and other criminals that are hard to catch
rather than just like do a takedown on some retarded celebrity you know what i mean
yeah well i think he got fed up with celebrity stuff because he was taking them down
and people thought it was funny you know what i'm saying like the crypto twitter is not valuing his
takedowns they were like joking that this person's launched like 20 projects.
You know what I'm saying? Right? Like that's not great. I'd probably not be doing research either if people don't give a shit. If people like losing money on scams, then like, why would
you help those people that are telling you, you know, it's funny that you're posting about it,
you know? Yeah. She's posting a lot about an ICO called Neon. So yeah, she's, she's posting a lot about an ico called neon so yeah she's she's posted built for investors
not insiders maybe she's an investor in this platform maybe that's all it is she's like
an angel investor i don't know i'd like i'd like to see more yeah dude let's start let's like let's
let's stop scrolling her account because it's probably going to be get worse and worse the
more we dig let's just leave let's just leave it off as she's Satoshi 2.0
and pretend that that's what happened.
Or just give her the dub.
You're going to have Iggy all over your timeline tomorrow.
Oh, God, I'm going to have Iggy all over my timeline.
Uh-oh.
The algorithm's coming after me.
I'm going to be like, I don't know,
I'm sure there's a name for our fans.
Does anybody know what an Iggy Azalea fan is called i'm gonna chat you no idea i'm gonna chat you lights i'm not sure
um but i think so the neon thing i haven't checked look looked at it but uh i'm quite sure
she has been hanging out a lot with this influencer guy called Neon.
And they, I don't know if they're,
I don't know if they've officially been linked as a couple,
but like she, I saw videos like stuff that came up
where she's like flirting with this guy
and that kind of thing, right?
Oh, interesting.
They have like at least a close friendship
at the very least.
Okay, Interesting.
Well, maybe that's it.
Maybe she's just helping her friend out.
Let's go with that.
We're on with that.
Yeah.
He's like a big streamer influencer, I guess, up from TikTok, YouTube.
I don't really know exactly, but I know he's, you know, really popular basically.
Interesting.
It's Azalean, by the way.
I'm an Azalean.
The algorithm is going to make me an Azalean.
So I wasn't too far, because I think I said Azalea.
Azaleolites.
What's a fan of Jan called?
A yawner?
Jan's fan called...
A yawner?
Actually, I like yawner.
What does he want his fans to be called?
No, it's January's.
Jan, when you're posting all those thirst traps,
what do you want all the fans to call you?
Man, what kind of thirst traps do I post?
Have I ever posted any?
Oh, so many, Jan. So many.
Actually.
Maybe I should start posting feedpick posting feedback you could but you know what i
mean uh you're missing out if you don't charge right how much how much would people pay guys
i have no i have no idea i haven't sold how much should i charge i i don't know maybe do some
research i don't know what men you know i don't even know what uh men footfix go for like i don't know. Maybe do some research. I don't know what men, you know, I don't even know what men footpicks go for.
I don't know. I haven't done, you know, I have no idea. I haven't sold any myself.
But if anyone's interested, one Bitcoin.
Cynthia, you could just use AI to generate the feet pick and then rug the person who bought it.
I mean, I could, but, you know, someone needs to step up to the plate, right?
I mean, a Bitcoin is pretty steep.
Bitcoin's going for a lot these days, but...
I mean, it's not $124,000.
This is true.
And by the way, Cynthia, I wanted to just take a moment.
I think we got off on a bad note on the show the other day.
I think things got a little bit tense.
And I just want you to know that I talked with Trevor,
I talked with Jan,
and we wanted you to know that this show is a safe space for you to share how you're feeling about anything like if
you don't like Elon Musk like we want this to be a safe place for you to be able to share that and
we don't want you to feel like you're having to hide that on the ordinal show
because of certain pressures so we wanted to make sure that you knew that this was an open
safe space for you to share your feelings about Elon?
You don't need to hide your feelings for Elon from us.
Okay.
Well, no, I mean, I haven't hidden anything.
Like I said, I think you guys definitely think about me thinking about Elon more than I ever think about Elon.
And I will maintain that because that's really what it seems to be.
But, you know, I did reply to some of his tweets today.
Because now I'm grinding for that $5 million.
Oh, you're going for the verification.
Yeah, I mean, I just got the checkmark the other night.
So I'm going for the verification now.
Wow.
Yeah, good stuff.
I mean, I think it's like a legit way.
I've earned over $50K and I didn't do shit. I just kept, I kept tweeting. Oh yeah, I have a question. So once like once you
get, once you hit the 5 million impressions, right? Then afterwards, from then on, like,
are you getting paid for? No, no, no, no, no. Everything you've posted in the past two years
is just, it's like a bank account that Elon already has set up for you.
He's not going to show you how much you've made, but you'll claim that whenever you claim
No, not about that.
I mean, once, like after that, right after your initial payment, which I know is supposed
to be bigger.
No, I mean, so now, you know, you're hitting the 5 million impressions and I just can't
remember.
Like after that, you're still getting paid for
impressions right not okay not just engagement okay perfect that's what i thought i wanted to
make sure yeah i don't know if it's actually impressions tindy i think it's based on how
many ads so it's like whatever ads are shown under you you probably make like a hundredth
of a penny each time somebody looks at an ad well i guess you know i guess we'll find out how that
goes so it's the ads but it's also you get a cut of the like the 10 bucks a month we pay to elon
for the blue checks you also get a cut of that so like for example if you have i don't know exactly
how it works but i'd imagine if the system's created intelligently this is the way it sounds
like it works is like if i pay 10 bucks a month
and i log on to x and i look at 10 different posts okay and 50 of my 10 is going to creators
each of those creators makes 50 cents i think that's how it's supposed to work i don't know
if it actually works like that but in theory you make a cut of the verification you want people
to engage their content who are verified and then you want people to view ads.
So essentially just get more high quality content impressions.
Yeah.
No, that makes sense.
Okay.
Jan, are you earning a check from X, Jan?
I'm getting something, but it's not amazing, guys.
I'm not an influencer like you.
Yeah, we're all down, Jan. We're all down from what it was. Like, I don't disagree, but you's not amazing, guys. I'm not an influencer like you. Yeah, we're all down, Jan.
We're all down from what it was.
I don't disagree, but you do get a check though, right?
Every month?
Yeah, I think so.
I mean, I'm getting something, but it's really minuscule, man.
It's nothing really amazing.
It must be better than he's letting on because he really led with that.
It's not much.
I don't really know. It's not that much, guys. I don't even know if I get that. It's it's not much. I don't really know
It's not that much guys. I don't even know if I get anything really, but it's not much if I do
It used to be way better now. It's like fucking I don't know is it hundred dollars or something like that. It's like
It's uh, well maybe it'll get better now that the algorithm
Has been changed because it has gotten better the last day or two.
Yeah, but the engagement and the impressions in general went down.
Of course, because less people are around, right?
Yeah, need to figure out how to go viral.
If you can get viral a couple times a month, then of course it's going to be better.
For sure.
Elon also just said he officially made a statement.
He instructed the ex-revshare team to be more like YouTube and give better revshare.
So like give more generous percentages.
I think YouTube's done a really good job at that.
And I think he wants to kind of replicate that.
And I think this Friday is the first day that the revshare is supposed to be higher so you guys will see um how that goes this week so so leo like i mean youtube like they
didn't they do like 30 no i mean they they don't do super high no in terms of like rev share with
the creator so when you say like they have done super good job like what do
you mean 55 of revenue goes straight to creators on youtube for 45 for shorts
so that's cool yeah basically 50 that's like about as fair as you can get in my opinion it's like
or i don't want to say that but it's like pretty fair youtube does a lot of work on the actual app it's a good product you get to make half you know
so i'm sure like you know if you have a youtube video that gets a million views you probably make
like ten thousand dollars right which is a lot of money i would say first if you get a million
impressions on x you're not making ten thousand dollars? So we got to figure out a way to
make X. Like, first of all, the whole thing where like X has like kind of free speech means that a
lot of advertisers don't like to be on it. So you're already just never going to match the kind
of amount of advertisers will pay to be on YouTube. But all of the people paying 10 bucks a month for
their verification checks, it's like i have
like 30 000 people who follow me that do that that have those i mean that i imagine is a pretty good
cut that you could take um i'm more bullish on that than the ads on x i don't like i don't even
see ads on x i guess that's because i'm a subscriber or like verified we don't see ads
oh so probably because you probably use use ad blocker I think I think
if you just on my phone though like even I saw some I saw some ads even though I'm like the
premium plus subscriber I I do see some ads from time to time like and I saw like recommended by
grok so like I think what they're trying to do is like to make it uh you know actually i mean
always they will say that right they want to make the ads like as relevant as possible i mean i
didn't see anything relevant they were like trying to sell me some some for a car that i
don't even have like even if they actually try to like sell me something then they should sell
me something for tesla but they were selling me something for some random ass car.
So it wasn't relevant at all.
But I saw some ads, but I don't see that many.
That's true.
And did you guys see that?
Like, was it a rumor?
Was it a real thing that I think Clemente tweeted about it like a week ago that they're
going to triple the price of the subscription, the premium plus subscription.
So it was like $250, I think, per year in the U.S.
And now somebody took a screenshot that they're going to be increasing it to $700 per year.
I don't know if it's true or if it was a fake screenshot.
Did you guys see it or did you guys see that like, you know, they're gonna be charging you more
Are they discriminating against us in the US are you saying it's just the US?
No, I don't know if it's just the US but the screenshot was definitely like a like a US US user, you know
So I don't know if it was only only US
I don't know if it was only
as a market, but the guy
was posting a screenshot that
the subscription is going to increase
to $6.99
and you have to
agree to keep the subscription
or something. I don't know if it was a fake screenshot
or if it's true.
I have no idea.
I just saw a funny post though.
CoinGecko tweeted out,
the number of failed cryptocurrencies by year.
Apparently in 2021, only 2,000 tokens failed.
In 2020, 200,000 tokens failed.
In 2023, 240,000 tokens failed.
2024, 1.3 million tokens failed.
2025, 11.5 million tokens failed so we're getting worse at
launching tokens guys i guess or you could infer that maybe we're just launching more tokens that
could be it too interesting data maybe they're trying to uh they're trying to make anthropic like how good they are at data analysis. I don't know.
I don't know, guys. Look, bottom line, Cynthia, let's all help Cynthia get to 5 million impressions.
Engage with her replies so that we can get her there. I know a lot of people in the dog army
are also working on that. It's not easy.
Five million impressions is a lot.
Just to be clear, that's a really hard target.
They've set it bar pretty high,
but I think if you can do it, it's free money.
Like it's literally just free money sitting there.
All those tweets you've done have earned you money and you just aren't gonna access it now,
plus earn perpetually.
And Jan, yeah, you say like a hundred bucks is nothing, right?
But to me, it's like, it's a hundred bucks
that I didn't even think about, right? It's not like I was expecting to earn a hundred bucks is nothing, right? But to me, it's like, it's a hundred bucks that I didn't even think about, right?
It's not like I was expecting to earn a hundred dollars.
So then the hundred dollars is kind of like, oh shit, that's kind of cool, right?
It's like, yeah, if I like signed a contract for a job and they paid me like a hundred
bucks every two weeks, I'd be like, fuck you.
Like, that's not okay.
But if it's just like, you know, doing the same thing I was already going to do.
So it's just extra money. I mean, that's kind of nice. That's like kind of cool. And Mr. E, Cynthia, Mr. E. Oh, I think it's just like you know doing the same thing i was already going to do so it's just extra money i mean that's kind of nice that's like kind of cool and mr e cynthia mr he's nice
go ahead it's nice it is nice yeah like you can dude you could take your wife out to dinner once
you know once or twice a month with that you know think about it like that
you or pay for my ai subscriptions bro dude plow it into dog just like smash the buy button on dog
and x first every two weeks there you go you know save up for another pizza ninja you can you could
save it up you don't have to spend it instantly yeah you know money shouldn't just burn a hole
in your pocket you need to save your money you know that right how do? How do you do that?
It's funny because I'm giving terrible advice that I don't even follow myself.
Okay.
All right.
I'm just kind of looking through here.
What else is going on?
The problem is now that crypto Twitter is back, I'm only seeing dog stuff again.
My feed is just an infinite feed of dog.
I need to see what's going on.
What's the juicy drama going on in the rest of Twitter?
We talked about Pasternak.
Any juicy drama going on in Ordinals and stuff, guys?
Like any Ordinals drama that we know about?
This is the Ordinals show.
So we should at least cover something Ordinals related each episode. that we know about. This is the Ordinal show,
so we should at least cover something Ordinal's related each episode.
It would be nice if we actually come back,
you know, it would be really nice.
I saw OMBs were pumping.
They've been pumping.
I just searched Ordinal's in my timeline.
Man, I don't want to hear about ordinals pumping until we do at least 5x from where we are now.
I'm kind of with you, bro.
It's like, yeah.
I'm a little bit the same with Dog.
I'm like, get us back to a billion, then we can start talking.
Everything until that point.
To be honest, to be frank be frank like you know doc is like
doing probably the best out of everything right build down like 80 sure it's down 80 but like
it it is kind of hovering around like like the bottom is like like 150 and it has been like that
for for a while right like you know and uh and if dog does 2x or two and a half x then we're
in like some really nice numbers or on dog is up 77 this year in in 20 no exactly but i'm saying
like if dog if dog just does 2x from where we are today let's say we're gonna be at like 300 mil
market cap i mean that's that's gonna be pretty good you know like serious number
of course it's not gonna be all-time high we still have to do 3x from there but but like it's not it's
not that that bad you know yeah and you realize that like i don't actually make money from dog
like i hold so little dog i hold like i think like four million something dog um i'm not actually
like and i can't even sell it i have to basically give it away so like i don't
really make money when dog goes up but so like i'm in it for the like i i want to like just
eviscerate the runes haters on the timeline you know what i'm saying like i'm i'm in it for like
the cope of when runes has a comeback and everybody has to process that like you know
dog is at an all-time high that's kind of
like uh that's like like obviously there's you know i have loyalty to the dog army and like i
want to see us win and we have a much bigger long-term mission but as far as just like the
billion dollar mark that's the value for myself is just being able to say that dogs at an all-time
high i think it'll be pretty entertaining and fun to be able to do that. So I'm in it.
The billion-dollar mark to me is just about having some fun on X again.
I think it'll be pretty fun.
And then, yeah, after that, we have a lot larger targets and bigger things to do.
But a billion dollars, like just getting back to where we basically were a year ago at an all-time high of 999 million would be pretty awesome.
That would be a fun moment.
So that's what we're working towards.
That's like the immediate short-term goal is get back to all-time highs, declare ruins are back, declare dog is back, and we go from there.
I see we have MTM.
You keep changing your name on me, man. How you doing?
Good, bro. Good, good. It's been a while since I hopped on over here, man. It's been super hectic.
And with my son being born, bro, there's a lot. I'm like, over time, over drive.
Like there's there's a lot I'm like over time overdrive.
But yeah, I try to I try to like, you know, like listen and catch up as much as I can.
But yeah, man, I think I think we're off to a good start.
And from the looks of it, it's may just continue this way up until like end of the year to like November, December.
I feel like sometime around October is when things are going to like november december i feel like sometime around october is
when things are gonna like really really rip but yeah uh and me i'm just stuck in the car right now
i'm i'm i'm selling all my teslas why because uh but you have more than one tesla yeah yeah
i have a i have a plaid and i have a model a you have a glad we why are you why are
you getting rid of it because fucking of Elon like never gave back our dog of
Bitcoin account bro so I'm pissed off bro that's actually a really good reason
you guys guys really got screwed on that so bad and I and buy a tycan bro just so yeah yeah so somewhere around those lines i don't
think i ever want to touch a gas car ever again uh unless it's like some type of like supercar
hopefully uh dog dog does his thing and and uh we'll we'll like we'll we'll get like a nice little
porsche uh 911 gt2 but yeah man uh and and you know we've been reaching reaching out to the law firm to to
get back to us with like if there's any answers because they told us last time it's going to take
about like three to four months uh for them to respond back we still haven't heard anything back
and what we're trying to do is request for an actual manual review.
And I believe once an actual human being like sits behind there and just like looks at what's going on, there's a chance that they'll like release the account.
But yeah, but for sure, man, I'm selling all my Teslas.
Fuck that.
Until the Roadster is out, maybe, and our account is back then then we'll just we'll figure it out then but yeah man uh it's it's cool to be here again it's it's cool
perfect thing to do while you're driving uh listen to the ordinal show and catch up i thought you
were saying you're gonna sell your tesles because elon announced that the self-driving is going to
be a subscription or something going forward.
Did you see that?
Yeah, yeah.
I saw that.
I saw that.
But the self-driving, when I bought them, I paid for it up front.
Or wait, does this mean even if you paid for it up front, you're gonna have to pay a monthly uh fee for it i'm
not sure he said basically going forward it's going to be a subscription but i think he said
something like this is the last month we're going to sell it or something like that
i okay okay okay for sure so so yeah it'll be it'll be like all the all the new uh all the new
tests like from from here on out i believe those ones will will be subscription based but yeah like
and and uh i mean one of them i'm for sure selling uh but the other one i think i'm just
gonna set it aside because i'm planning on moving countries i'm just gonna leave it over here so
that way when that robo taxi feature is is out like we could just you know i'll have like one
of my relatives or friends like just just manage it or something.
And it's a it's a side hustle. Right. Like it's going to be like a Waymo type of thing.
And it's a paid off car. So we'll see how how that works.
And honestly, I like all this time having that like I've never put the full self drive to use.
like i've never put the full self-drive to use and i like not not even once uh the only time
when i use it and it's not really full self-driving is like the autopilot feature when you're going on
a long trip you just turn that on and uh it just it just does its thing but yeah uh
all right man i'm using it every fucking day man I'm using it every day and it's fucking amazing
Yeah, the map is like it's it's it's I
Didn't even think that it's it's working in Hong Kong
Like it's like those tiny streets and and like, you know, there's like a bunch of no it works it works
It works because they have like a localized training set and it's fucking awesome
And like I would not want any other car
anymore because fsd is just it's not even perfect yet of course it's not perfect at the moment you
know but issue at the level is today it's already fucking great yeah yeah you know what my issue is
man and it gets me every time and this is a bad habit guys i don't i don't preach it but fuck i'm like on my phone
a lot and every time i look down on my phone there's a text or something and i got a reply
this this thing just makes all kinds of sounds and and it gets to me man it freaks me like
that freaks me out but it it stresses the heck out of me i'm like fuck this shit i'm turning it off but yeah uh that is one of the
main reasons why i never like put it on like the full self-driving because is it true that after
after x amount of time it does that you can't turn it on uh for for like six months or a year like like are you no you have you have like five five uh you have a five i think what it what did it
like like they have like credits or whatever right points and so if you uh if you fuck up like this
like let's say if you watch your phone for too long if let's say gives you five warnings and
you still keep fucking watching your phone then you cannot use the fsd for the drive
anymore and then it will deduct one point and if you do it five times like this then you cannot
use fsd for like like like a couple weeks i think it's not like half a year but a couple weeks okay
okay yeah and and uh for for for a long amount of time i found a little hack i would put like for
for long trips i would put like for long trips
I would put like you know those you know those weights that people put on their ankles
I had one on each side of the steering wheel and and and just just so it knows that there's some weight on it
But they came up with a with an update and that like so much to that
I can't even use that anymore, man. I'm just oh guys are fucking crazy man you guys are crazy but i must admit i must admit that like the uh what's it called the
plaid mode oh my god bro like every every single penny is worth for that like it's it's insane to
know that you know you could like take your family out like go do like groceries
Shopping or whatever but still be able to like whip Lambos and and Ferraris asses like no tomorrow
That that part is too sick
Like every time I'm like feeling blue or I'm like, you know, like the day isn't going like the way I want it
Like all I have to do is just go give it like a quick spin and then put it on plaid mode on like an open road.
And man, like all those issues just, you know, once the adrenaline starts rushing, you get over everything.
And it's like a crazy experience, man.
Like your heart feels like it's dropping.
You know those magic mountain rides?
I don't know if you've been on any, but you feel like your heart just dropped.
It's like that
So that that part is pretty slick actually I gotta admit
And one more thing about this and then we could switch switch topics bro. This fucking thing costed me
125,000 at that time and and it's retailing at around like 60,000 right now
And yeah, so it doesn't even make sense to sell
Is it is it the plan you say you say the plan right now? Yeah, yeah, yeah
Yeah, and this is that man. This is the worst thing about
Buying a Tesla actually or any kind of EV to be honest
It's not just Tesla its any kind of EV because it really behaves kind of like an iPhone, you know
or like any kind of evie because it really behaves kind of like an iphone, you know, or like any kind of like
consumer tech because it
Improves so fucking fast that if you buy a car today
Six months from now there is a car for the same price that has longer range
That has better features and that have shit like that and And obviously that also means that they're, you know,
they're playing with some like discounts and this and that.
And so it really like EVs,
they really behave like consumer electronics. Like it's not, it's not like a, like a,
like a normal car that they don't really get upgraded that much.
They may be upgrade a model like once in three or four years,
but with Tesla specifically, they fucking upgraded all the time so i feel you bro i
really feel you well i think the thing is the lithium ion batteries don't have the longest range
right it's like you can go 200 000 miles on a toyota right and that's why it has pretty good
resale value but oh it's changing man it's changing bro
it's changing like you have evs in china that uh put bigger batteries like tesla is known for not
putting super big batteries because they have pretty good efficiency and they're not maxing out
the range like they're not necessarily obsessed with like you need to do a range of like 700
miles otherwise nobody's going to buy it.
But in China, like people are quite like demanding for these things.
So they have EVs that will put like 100 kilowatt battery in a car
and the car can have easily like 500 miles or 550 miles of range.
And so, you know, it really depends what you want.
You know, like, I mean, if you're using the car really depends what you want you know like i mean if
you're using the car in the city like you don't really need a huge range but if you're using it
for road trips if you're doing like a lot of a lot of things like that then of course it's probably
useful but but man it's it's cool like i think evs are 100 the future and you know like everything
else is gonna go bankrupt like it's so it's so clear maybe the sports cards are gonna be the
only ones that people are still gonna be buying because they like the experience.
But the traditional cards are just going to be fucking, nobody's going to be buying it 10 years from now.
Jan, I just realized that, like, this has to be the case.
Like, are you in your car right now, bro?
I'm, like, going wild.
I'm thinking my turn signals are off, this, this past like 20, 30 minutes.
I'm like, what the fuck is going on?
But.
Yes, I'm, I'm in my car as well right now.
I'm like, bro, like it's, it's, it's so sudden.
I'm like, wait, what, what's, what's going on?
But for sure. sure i know we discussed this leo you know leo is not into ev cars you know leo is into
the big uh the big trucks you know that have diesel engine ideally and when you floor it
it's like nobody can see anything around you because it
just goes full black bro i never said that i don't know i think evs are cool um yeah i think evs are
cool i think they're they're fun to drive i think the range is still the main thing that for like
road trips it's a little bit annoying i guess to stop but that's about it they're like evs are awesome dude it's fun evs
are like like i don't know like i like uh i like the smell like the smell of gas is like i don't
like that i think evs it's awesome it's like if you guys go to like a go-kart place all the go-kart
places now are electric go-karts because nobody wants to smell the gas so i think evs have a ton of advantages i like how
quiet they are um i don't you know i don't know where you are dude smelling the gas is the only
thing i like about them dude come on man yeah i don't know it depends that's the only benefit
dude is smelling the gas i mean i guess it's part of the experience for certain vehicles like jan was
saying but and the noise dude the noise too i would say the gas smell is number one benefit
number two is the noise jan how many uh dually king ranch f650s are driving around hong kong
with their mufflers off man not many there there is few people that just fucking love importing these cars from
the u.s for sure but uh you know like not that many um people you know in in asia guys like
it's a very different like if money on a car like you know the way they show that they really made
it here it's nearly yes sure they're
like young people that want to buy ferraris for sure like you know that's the same everywhere
but like most of the people they just want to buy a car that they don't have to drive they will have
a personal driver so they will have a huge ass car some sort of like you know i don't know lexus
you know like minivan or something like my baka like minivan or something like that and they're just
being driven around like and it's for them it's like it's like a limousine and like like a business
class first class experience on a plane you know they don't even care about driving so so that's
kind of like what people like to do here it's not like you don't see that probably much in the us
right like you see people like just driving big trucks
and uh and other things but like here yeah like they would they would rather buy like super luxurious car that is not not necessarily good for driving but it's just luxurious for the experience
of like sitting there yeah it's like the over here that's like the equivalent would be Suburbans and Escalades.
To compare it with that.
Just big and getting driven around.
That's what I would compare it with.
And I did see a lot of those.
And actually, the only time when I looked at minivans and I was like,
oh man, that looks pretty dope was in Hong Kong actually.
They look so thick.
Is anybody here on Verizon and has the SOS thing right now?
Verizon is having a huge outage right now.
That was a very specific question, Leo. It's affecting a huge outage right now that was a very specific question Leo it's been
good it will it's affecting a lot of people I thought I was sim swapped as why and I found
out they just they just have a massive outage right now yeah I I have Verizon too and uh I
just haven't haven't uh experienced it you don't see an SOS in the top right corner of your phone
You don't see an SOS in the top right corner of your phone?
No, 5G.
Okay, good, good, good.
Interesting.
I literally thought I was SIM swapped.
I was like, fuck.
That's the last time that happened, was when I was SIM swapped.
But yeah, they're just having an outage.
Okay, nothing.
I thought someone else might have had the same thing.
Leo, for the SIM swap, does that mean that someone has to actively have your phone?
No, no, no, no. Would they steal my phone or something physically?
No, all it is is they're stealing the phone number.
Okay, okay, okay. I see, I see, I see. And then all the messages are like a swap. All it is is they're stealing the phone number. Okay. Okay.
Okay. I see.
I see.
I see.
And then all the messages are like.
The new messages.
Yeah.
It's as if there's a number.
Like literally what it is.
Is it's a number transfer.
So it's like if you got a phone from Verizon.
And it's like the number you got is from a phone.
Another person's phone probably getting recycled.
It's now your phone number all
the new stuff goes to it but the problem is that like you know certain things it can be used to
like you know verify as two-factor and stuff like this obviously i use ubi key now and i've you
actually having the phone number is like less secure because if you have phone number as like
a second authentication like a two-factor thing where they send the six-digit code to your phone
um it can be an issue because anybody can for like 500 bucks or a thousand bucks get a hold of that
right so it's you want to actually remove that it makes an account less safe um you want to use
google authenticator app or yubikey for sure yeah yeah i use passkey like it's it's man that thing
is so cool like where where i mean one device, it's a fingerprint.
On another device, it could be, like, the facial stuff.
And it's so smooth.
Like, yeah, like, sometimes the authenticator even gets in the way.
But I realize with Passkey, it's just, like, some type of bio authentication.
And, yeah, you're in.
Yeah. Yeah, no, I think, like, the iPhone has it down where it's like it scans your face.
That was a pretty good invention. Like a much better than remember, you used to have to scan
your finger on the iPhone to get in and now it just recognizes your face. Like that was a pretty,
that was a pretty epic invention that they did there. I'm reading this statement from Todd Shapiro, spokesperson for former New York City Mayor Eric Adams.
He says, recent reports alleging that Eric Adams moved money out of the New York City token are false and unsupported by any evidence.
To be absolutely clear, Eric Adams did not move investor funds.
Eric Adams did not profit from the launch of the New York City token.
No funds were removed from the New York City token. Mr. Adams' support for this initiative
has been public, transparent, and mission-driven, focused exclusively on promoting education and
watching literacy, combating anti-Semitism and anti-Americanism, supporting non-profit
and civic initiatives. At no point was his involvement intended for personal or financial
gain.
Like many newly launched digital assets, the New York City token experienced market volatility.
Mr. Adams has consistently emphasized transparency, accountability, and responsible innovation.
New York City remains a global financial capital with billions of dollars in cryptocurrency
traded daily, underscoring the sector's importance to the city's economy. The New York City token is designed as a free, voluntary way to support educational and non-profit
efforts. Claims suggest otherwise are inaccurate. Mr. Adams remains committed to responsible
innovation and using emerging technologies to strengthen trust, education, and shared
civic values. We are encouraged by the potential to use token-based initiatives responsibly
to help combat hate and promote civic good.
That is the biggest load of horseshit I think I've ever read.
I mean, if they say so, it must be true, right?
The amount of times he used the word innovation to describe this.
It's probably Che GPD guys anyways, you know, like, come on.
I mean, the... It's the like dude that to me you can
get sued for writing that statement right there because now you just lied to everyone right like
like maybe he doesn't make any money off of it but he's he's really getting conned if he didn't
make any money off of it and to imply that nobody's making money off of it i mean that's just a lie
To imply that nobody's making money off of it, I mean, that's just a lie.
He has to be making money off of it.
And, I mean, listen, I just have to say, you know, he's combating anti-Semitism with his NYC coin.
So it must be true, you know?
It's very bizarre because it's not like there's one topic. It's about anti-Semitism, anti-Americanism,
education. Do you know how easy it is to not scam people? You could literally just launch
the coin and say that 100% of profits go to this nonprofit organization. 100% of the fee revenue
goes to this nonprofit. That's all you do.
He's like so opaque about everything.
And of course, the way he's framing it, he'll probably be like, well, the proceeds from the launch aren't for that.
But the market making DeFi stuff, we can make money on that as a third party, like this
kind of shit.
It's all, it's a little hard.
This story is not over, though.
Because when you double down on your statement,
crypto Twitter is going to eventually,
like crypto Twitter, like if you choose to fight crypto Twitter
and double down on that, you're like the best person ever.
Like, this is not the end of the story.
You know what I'm saying?
Like, give it 48 hours until bubble maps and ZachXVT.
And at least a few other people have dug into it actually happened.
I'm sure that's already happening.
Yeah, I don't feel like Eric Adams has a career in front of him.
I mean, this is kind of the move that, like, it's kind of like an exit scam,
you know what I'm saying?
Bro, he should have launched the RAT token, bro.
That could have been bullish.
Like, New York City token?
Like, eh.
Yeah, there's not a single positive comment in the entire reply section.
Yeah.
Interesting.
Interesting. Interesting. Yeah. Like what usually happens in these cases is now he's going to sue the people who like, like he's going to try to distance himself from the people
who launched it on his behalf. You know what I'm saying? That's usually how this goes. Like his
lawyer is going to tell him, look, man,
you know,
we remove you from the equation and we paint it as these like bad people.
I mean,
this is what Hawk Tua did.
Hawk Tua acted like she was like this naive girl that doesn't understand anything about it.
And she's from a rural place and has a country accent and doesn't understand
what's going on.
I don't buy those arguments usually personally.
I think people are not stupid and know decently well what's going on.
But I don't know.
I don't know.
If Doc Hollywood ever approaches anybody here and ask you if he can launch a coin for you,
I would say that's a pretty quick no.
Just for further reference so that we don't.
The whole idea is we want the Ordinal Show listeners to becoming better people, better
market participants.
We don't want you making the same mistakes that we've made and other people make.
If Doc Hollywood approaches you about a token, that's a no.
You don't sign the contract, okay?
I want every person listening right now to commit to me that if you're approached by
Doc Hollywood, you do not sign the contract, okay?
I don't care how much money he promises you, do not sign the contract.
Interesting.
Okay, that story's evolving.
We'll keep following that.
What else is going on?
Jan, there's got to be something happening.
No, there is nothing happening, man.
Nothing is happening.
I just see Yogi is listening to the Ordinal show.
I think that's breaking news because this guy has been, you know,
he's signed off for a very long time.
You know, I haven't seen him around.
He doesn't respond to messages.
He always responds to my DMs like with one month delay,
pretending that he's so fucking busy.
But we know that he's not busy.
We know that he's just chilling.
Sometimes he shits on runes still from time to time.
But that's breaking news that he's joining us again.
I mean, look, we always welcome Yogi back.
We know deep down in his heart that he's a runes and ordinals boy,
and he belongs on the Ordinal Show.
So no matter what he does and great things he goes on to do with his life,
he knows that this is his home that he can always come back to.
Yeah, I like Leo's take better than Jan's on that one.
Dude, Jan's become a savage, dude, recently.
God.
Dude, I think, like, it's gotten – like, Jan's fame of having so many followers now.
Like, Jan has 37,000 followers.
Right when he hit 30,000, I noticed he, like, it got through his head.
He started acting like he was a
big celebrity he's a big hot shot you know he used to never correct people when they called him Jan
but now he starts correcting people when they call him Jan I don't know it's uh it's sometimes
you know absolute power corrupts absolutely and Jan's starting to taste taste what that power is
like and he likes it and you know he's you know the evil laugh has
started coming out and it's a new and i have so much power i have so much power especially over
you leo i know it what's up yogi i just came up to say that uh those comments you made were hurtful.
I will have to reflect on them later this evening.
I'm a bit sad on the inside.
For everyone, Jan is a big, big dude.
He's scary.
He's ruthless in the DMs.
He's one of the biggest bullies I've ever met.
He once sent me a picture of magic internet money at $1 billion market cap just to troll me knowing that I still have my entire bag.
And then from time to time he asks me if my Taproot Wizards are still hanging out and yes they are.
So good to see you guys. Always a pleasure. Still have all my runes and ordinals jan i will choke on them but uh it's out of love
and a bit of sadness but they didn't rape me as bad as azuki so it's okay uh we've all been there
and solana trenches let's put those out there too that's been rough so anyways hope everyone's well
that's good to see you guys just thought i was dropping and see what you guys been talking about and so what's the new pfp yogi so you say everything that you believed in in the past rugged you hard
so what is this new thing that that is your yeah and I've been pfp homeless
this is a random pfp for a chain that's not launched yet and it's also down 50
percent if you really must know so yeah it's just a random pfp
for a chain that's not live for an nft collection man should we give up on this shit like nfts and
stuff it seems that we're all getting wrecked all the time yeah watch us give up and then it
actually kicks off because i still believe in the fundamental thesis of NFTs.
It's just that we had way too many for not enough people and the culture was not present in the
right way. Like we tried to force culture in a month that takes, you know, a decade.
So like when you see all these, like when I look at all these TCG things popping off,
like crypto cards, I see one piece, I see like, dude, it's fucking NFTs. It's just that
we, you know, we were too eager. We should have been patient. We shouldn't have bought the PFP for
a, you know, 500K that looks like a monkey, you know, like, I don't know what we were doing.
It is what it is. You know, I, dude, I haven't seen, um, Nick at all recently. I don't know if you've talked to Nick from Luxor at all.
But, dude, our Ordnose chat's been dead.
You know, last time we were popping off was when alien node monks were going for, like, I forget what they went for, honestly.
I mean, like, 5, 6 Bitcoin.
Did they hit that?
Do you guys remember at all?
Dude, that was all wash trading, bro.
Are you serious?
Oh, well, I believed it, T.O. Did you seriously like that was all wash trading bro are you serious oh i well i believed
at to and i seriously think that was real i i thought it was real yeah dude no wonder you
round trip so many bags yeah it's fine but dude i i thought there were a couple honest buys in the
five six bitcoin range maybe i'm like complete moron and that's fine but like sure wash trading but not like a
hundred percent i mean i'm sure they soccer real real people get mixed into it yeah i'm sure they
soccered a few people you know is he where is uh what's his face well i don't even remember
yeah how's he doing no i i have no idea i haven't looked at his account in a long time
yeah there's so many accounts have fallen off i just remember rcic and that and there's drama and
man it feels like a lifetime ago but dude 20 2024 does feel now like it's like that was a kind of
an era that's kind of gone you know what i'm saying it's like we need to rejuvenate i don't
think it's going to look like the 2024 era. I think it'll be totally different when it comes back. But yeah, I do,
I do think we need some juice, Yogi. We need, we need, we need some energy back in the space.
I wanted to quickly ask you though, I see that Brian Johnson, my bad, Brian Armstrong posted
something a couple hours ago, basically withdrawing support for the Senate banking draft,
basically the crypto bill. Do you know what the deal with this is? Like, what's going on?
I haven't read it yet. I was hoping, I'll read it tonight, but the TLDR from what I've seen and
what I've heard from other people, they have like, like there was another message I'd seen and
there's like 70, 80 amendments that they're trying to jam through at the last minute.
Because this bill is supposed to get voted on and get through like that first committee.
And they have, there's a lot of fuckery going on, I think, very late in the game.
And the only info I have is really that Brian Johnson thing.
And I'd read something else, but there's, I just, i don't remember enough to comment on it in a smart way the only thing i will say is that i think i do
agree with him like a bad bill is not a good bill so they're forcing a lot of language in there that
has unforeseen consequences and so i think that's the biggest reason i think most of the bill prior
to what they did like the the Christmas bill, was fine.
And then like they wanted to compete because obviously China is going to allow yield bearing
digital yen.
So they're like, how can we do rewards or whatever you guys want to call it with the
USDC?
But then on top of that, they added a bunch of different clauses on DeFi and everything
else.
And we've seen this before when the government passes bills that have a bunch of i
forget what the term is but there's like that it's called like pig something where like you
stick a bunch of stuff at the end just to jam it through like pork stuffing or something like that
yeah yeah it's like yeah like there's like there's like there's some term they use where and everyone
knows it like that's how like half these bills get passed they're like they do a bunch of like quick favors at the very end um but dude yeah i don't think most people are
a fan of it so far at least from what i've heard like it's not a good bill they're like we would
rather just like let this one die and like just clean it up and wait a couple more months rather
than like try to get like a a win on the on the on the scorecard for January, which is not good.
Well, it bans tokenized equities, which that's not great.
The SEC chair seems to be all for it, so this bill would really put a halt to all that, right?
Yeah, I saw that, and that's what I wanted to read, because I was like, wait a minute.
You've basically told Wall Street that you want tokenized equities, everyone's building it. That to me was like a giant red flag. And there was one other one on like defy activities and how you have to report or regulate. And they also were trying to shift some of the regulation back to the SEC. So I'm like, this is very flip floppy compared to what they were saying literally
two months ago. Like, all right, we're, you know, CFT is going to regulate this. Like
all the guidance they've given us, this bill is not reflecting that. So I don't know if
they're trying to pull a fast one. I don't know if the banking lobby is like, yo dude,
ban tokenized equities in this forum so that we can have a monopoly on this,
which I think is probably what's going on.
And that just makes it like,
that's where innovation dies.
Like if you need to spend $10 million and have 30 years to get the right
paperwork to do a business,
it's why fucking shit falls apart.
So yeah,
I'm hoping he has the power to, like, kill that bill.
I don't know.
This is definitely the most bearish thing I've seen in a while.
Agreed.
It probably just means we're going to have to wait a few more months,
which, like, I never anticipated this stuff moving super fast,
so I'm not, like, shocked by this.
Yeah, this seems like we're getting completely rugged basically by the,
well,
it's like,
basically it's an unpassable bill in my opinion.
Like nobody signing this bill represents crypto.
If they're going to ban a bunch of the innovation we're trying to do.
So like,
I would rather the status quo,
like Brian Armstrong saying,
then have a bill that kind of blocks a bunch of the cool stuff that's being
built from the U.S., right?
Okay.
Yeah, it would set us back years if this goes through like this.
Yeah, dude, it feels like 2022 all over again.
Or no, not 2022, 2020, 2021, when Biden was like,
oh, I'm going to review all this stuff.
I'm with you guys.
You know, Gary Gensler used to teach crypto. He's with us. It feels like they're trying to pull a fast one. And it was a little bit like depressing to see that bill because it's like,
guys, we've done this like 50 times. Like there's a reason why fucking equities and gold and silver
are running. And the only thing running in crypto, like Bitcoin staying flat, and we have a couple
of privacy coins because they keep trying to like fuck the industry and if you think about it
it's because everyone that actually has money and power wants to hold full control over this which
is why every bank has basically said we're launching digital assets and what's the best
thing they can do they can literally say hey you're not allowed to issue
tokenized equities or rwas that's only us and now you suddenly kill like half of hyperliquids market
half these rwa plays and people like tempo stripe they're never going to complain about it because
they literally have banking licenses or they're doing mna right now to get the licenses that will
require them to be compliant
in whatever the fuck they pass.
And my only answer-
This is what I worry, Yogi.
These people like Coinbase, do they really represent us even?
Like, even does Coinbase represent us?
Like, who's representing the crypto natives?
Dude, no one is.
That's why we were supposed to stick to Cypherpunk and like, we don't need the government.
Like, do you really think Coinbase wants that
anyone in the U.S. or elsewhere can tokenize equities? And what's the moat that Coinbase
has, right? Their regulatory ARB dies. On top of that, most of these people are self-serving.
They're looking at like, last I looked at Polymarket, they think the Democrats take the
house in November. Usually that happens. A party that has all three houses usually loses
control in the midterms. It just checks and balances. It's like history. And if that happens,
they're probably already thinking about like, all right, either we pass this bill now or we're
going to have to change course. So let's just like start cozying up to the other side. Like
they don't actually care about efficient outcomes. If they cared about efficient outcomes, we wouldn't have wildfires in California
led by PG&E that have happened for the last 30 years, and we would have better internet than
fucking South Korea, which is, like, millions of miles ahead of us. Like, this is not an efficient
country. Oh, and to be more depressing, Leo, because you brought this up, frankly speaking, but
I don't know if you've been tracking like what UK has been doing on like crypto regulation
and terrible dudes zap.
It's like the one country we can't get regulated.
And for zap, we want to be in, you know, zap wants to be in the UK.
I've gotten we've we track every message people say about zap.
We've gotten over 40 people requesting for UK support.
And it's very hard to get support in UK.
Yeah, dude.
We're going to end up in a situation where they're going to try to ban this stuff.
Because there's no way a government is going to allow us to do whatever we want, however we want.
It's just not going to happen.
And that's when
we have to go back to our ethos at some point. Like, right, there's a reason why we want Bitcoin.
There's a reason why we want privacy. I'm hoping we can bring privacy to Bitcoin or it's one of
these derivatives like Zcash or Monero. Don't really know. Don't have a horse in it. I think
whatever it gives us, sovereignty over capital.
Because you can't trust anyone longer term.
There's no way you can.
Dude, think about the deep state generally.
We'll end it here, but there are forces bigger than us that are never in the news that shift how geopolitics and all this stuff work.
I'm not trying to be like a bad bros, like a tinfoil hack guy,
but I'm just like,
there are many people that would lose power
if we suddenly made crypto the way we wanted it.
Yeah, 100%.
Basically, the moment Satoshi created the Bitcoin blockchain
or even the white paper,
it created a future,
a path towards the future where basically the financial power is in a lot fewer people's hands, right?
Like it's spread out to a lot more people and the power is more decentralized and in the hands of individuals.
And I think the way power structures work globally, like obviously you want a really strong military.
You want really strong military,
you want really strong innovation, you want strong, you know, all these things, but you also want capital markets. You also want control over, you know, currency. These things matter a lot.
You want banks. If Bitcoin, like a blockchain fundamentally disrupts capital markets, banks,
you know, a fiat currency, reserve currency,
like all these things get disrupted. And I think the U.S. without the government, the federal
government controlling those things, it's just a lot less power. And I think these guys want power.
That's obviously the name of the game. Money controls people. People, what's the easiest
way for the government to control you? It's money.
China does it through capital controls. Every other country does it through capital controls.
The U.S. is in a bit unique of a position just post-World War II. Any country that threatens
the dollar, we end up invading. We've done that over and over again. Venezuela is the latest.
We can call it Maduro, bad regime. It's literally a race for AI oil and ensuring the petrodollar remains.
And now with oil reserves more than every other country, we've suddenly weakened the landscape.
Same things like none of this stuff happens if there's not a self-serving interest of either money or being able to control people.
Right. So that I think if crypto truly gets to where it was
supposed to be or where it is meant to end up, whether it's fate or whether it's forced,
the government no longer has control. And every time we consolidate power,
when you read these books by Ray Daly, Fallen Nations, it's typically every country starts
off where the people are heard, everyone's got power. You know, a couple of
decades later, people consolidate power. And then at some point people, there's like a tipping point
where none of us frankly have power, dude. There's no income tax, you know, 70 years ago.
Now we pay 40% income tax. We can't even move money around just because, oh, there's drug
laundering and money
laundering for you know drug cartels and terrorism and a got a mom that like teaches third grade
can't wire 10k without having to file a form for why do you have 10k like it just nuts dude
yeah no i couldn't agree more guys i just I just have a question, like, you know, regarding this post from Brian and the stuff that you guys are discussing.
I mean, like, let's be honest, like, doesn't even fucking matter that Brian doesn't like this fucking bill.
Like, you know, I mean.
Yes, yes, Jan, it does.
He's bought a bunch of the politicians.
They'll vote the way he tells them to.
Oh, he bought.
Yeah, but, you know, yes, I get that.
So, yeah, I understand.
Like he's donating money and he's like going to Washington all the time.
I get that part. But let's be honest.
Like if the politicians just want to go ahead with the bill, they can just quit.
I'm telling you, it's not how it works. Literally, it's this simple.
He raised hundreds of millions of dollars and, you know, invested in, you know, probably dozens of senators, probably many, many House of Representatives people.
And when it comes to votes on crypto, they will defer to him how to vote.
It's literally that simple.
If he tells them vote this way, they will vote that way.
Now, if there's some extreme thing and he's doing something bad, but as long as he's like within reason, they will vote the way he tells them to vote. That is actually how our
government works. So he has major influence. He strategically created that whole initiative to get
a bunch of money together and fund all these people. And now they're sitting in the House and
they're sitting in the Senate because he put them there. And, you know, he doesn't get to tell them
what to do on other things. But for a crypto bill, they're going to have a call with Brian and he's going to tell them what to do and they'll do it.
That is definitely how it works.
So I would say Brian probably has the most control because he had the most of his act together.
FTX probably had the most power and now Brian has the most power in this regard.
Because they're not writing those hundreds of millions of dollars that checks you on because that because they like the politicians they're doing it because they want to be able to make
sure that what they want to have happens no i understand yeah yeah think about it this way
crypto literally tipped the last election you just need enough independent voters to be single-minded
with enough money that's why minnesota fraud, dude. It's a large enough
voter brace for people to just look the other way. So he does, I believe, have the power.
It's just about how much people continue to cure, because in my opinion, Coinbase's power has
somewhat eroded, just given that every other chain is now launching something in crypto.
So from that perspective, but if he can still rally the troops, then of course he's got power.
from that perspective but as if he can still rally the troops then like of course he's got power it
just depends on what his way is and how much support he continues to get from like david
bailey and like the president's circle and other senators and frankly we wouldn't need brian
armstrong if we didn't have people like eric adams and all these streamers
launching shit coins that like nuke for people People are so blinded by scams.
It's the only reason why we have these challenges in Congress.
If people were to understand that crypto is not to scam you,
we would not have these problems.
Yeah, I think they were the largest crypto donors. There is a retarded x-ray of new york city
that's the coin right so you know that doesn't help i guess
yeah it's like dude the only time crypto went mainstream was like hey trump launched a coin
yeah it's gonna go down don't buy it. Fucking streamers that I don't even know that
I've learned about like that. Eric's so not no Kai's not right. He had something like that.
Gamer guy had midlife whatever that coin was like. I'm not a streamer, dude, so I don't watch this.
Maybe I'm too old for this, but like everyone that's ever seen crypto in the news, it's like,
oh, these guys are buying monkey JPEGs for 500,000. Oh, Trump launched a meme coin that's ever seen crypto in the news, it's like, oh, these guys are buying monkey JPEGs for
500,000. Oh, Trump launched a meme coin that's down 99%. And then like Aiden Ross, you know,
bashed on it. Like no one knows that like, hey, crypto is the fact that you can cross borders
without getting rugged by your government. It may not matter to you in the US today,
but it matters to many other people across the globe. And at some point it will matter to the U S just the way it's going to matter to the UK,
where if you make a joke about a politician calling them fat, they can arrest you.
Like this shit's bananas, like the world we're in right now.
Yep. Yep. Yeah, man. I hear you. I hear you. The irony of a lot of this is like,
I feel like, you know, it's probably smart. Like if I was a nation state, I sure as hell wouldn't
allow Bitcoin to, you know, overtake my fiat currency and stuff. I think they're like,
I think in the short term, we've pitched this idea to them that it's great for the US dollar
because of stable coins, that through tokenized equities, we're going to export the New York
Stock Exchange to the entire world.
And this makes us more globally dominant.
And I think to a degree, that's true.
I think long term, the game, though, being played is like, we're going to swap out the
financial system with rails that are more open, more decentralized.
And if that happens, like all of a sudden people are going to say, like, why would I
use the US dollar when I could use Bitcoin?
Eventually, eventually they're going to like not put up with the inflation.
They're going to say we just want Bitcoin.
So I think long term, like you have to be pretty.
I think the problem is politicians think in like, you know, two year election cycles,
four year election cycles.
They're not thinking long term. I think the deep state guys, Yogi, you know, two year election cycles, four year election cycles. They're not thinking long term.
I think the deep state guys, Yogi, that's who I worry a lot.
They're thinking long term for sure.
Yeah, the deep state guys think long term and politicians are too retarded to get their
head out of their own ass.
Remember when they did the hearings for Facebook when Cambridge Analytica happened and they
interviewed the Google guy and they're like, well, how do you manage social media?
And the guy literally goes, dude, I work at Google. Google and Facebook are
two different companies. And you have a bunch of old dudes that know nothing about anything.
And then one of the guys goes, well, I have this phone on me. Are you listening to me right now?
Can you see where I am? And then that was the Facebook guy saying, sir, we're not Google Maps. We're not tracking. Like these guys know nothing, like absolutely nothing.
The only thing I think that really pushes people over is like the that Overton window, just like like they need like the straw that breaks the camel's back.
Either we start seizing people's money or like what like Ro Khanna in California is proposing, like that wealth tax.
You basically need to show people, hey, we will do whatever we can to stay in power and balance our fake budget that we decide to keep imbalanced.
And as soon as that happens, people will start looking at other currencies.
Like I'm just like I looked at Iran like two days ago when Bitcoin spiked.
Like, did you guys see that?
Where like Bitcoin was like 120K in Iran for a couple hours because everyone started buying it
well didn't their currency collapse yeah i think like a bank went bankrupt and uh and then also
like the protests and then threats of like israel us whatever that may or may not happen who knows but so how do you believe like eric adams he's
put this post out today he frames himself as this uh this man of the people who is uh you know
trying to fight anti-semitism and dude anytime you want to commit crime just say that you're
doing it for dei or anti-Semitic.
Well, so it's, it's, here's the thing.
He's, he's saying at no point was his involvement intended for personal or financial gain.
To be absolutely clear, Eric Adams did not move investor funds.
Eric Adams did not profit from the launch of the New York City token.
No funds were removed from the New York City token.
Does that, like like can you just straight
up lie like that and not get sued maybe if he writes those statements then maybe he's just a
complete moron and or maybe he's doing i think to made this case i think i jumped on at the tail end
when you guys were talking about it but that uh that girl that spits on dicks i'm blanking on her
name also hayley welsh or whatever um right
like she was like oh i didn't know anything like there is a world that old p like first of all eric
adam has been charged with fraud so for me i just don't think his character is that high to not be
able to do it or not know what he's getting into like this guy has already been charged with fraud
and trump saved him because he needed to like a friendly and New York, but then he lost the election.
Part two, he's a politician. I think they're all snakes. Don't trust him. But if he were to put a
tweet out like that, there is probably a scenario that this guy's a complete dipshit, which is why
he lost the mayoral election and, you know, still committed bribes and not knowing that like you're gonna get caught because there's enough idiots out there to be like dude we're gonna do this the
right way like you still see it dude with a lot of projects it's like think if you could convince
your dad like hey dad let's launch a coin no one's gonna get hurt we're gonna happen like help jewish
people like i feel like the parents like anyone over 60 could technically believe that.
But at that point, dude, it's negligence. Do you think it's unlikely? Or do you think
we should give him the benefit of the doubt? I would not give him the benefit of the doubt.
If you can't use fucking chatGBT and Claude Pro and ask a couple basic questions,
hey, how do token launches work? Should I trust this 20 year old with the fucking
Rolex and a Lambo? I'm just assuming who the guy he's talking to who lives in Dubai, who probably
has made Jewish slurs on his timeline. I'm assuming just given that most like a non crypto people like
to be edgy. Like, can this guy rug me? When has political or donation coins ever worked you can ask like three fucking
questions to clod or chat gbt this shit costs 20 a month and it would have told him hey this is a
bad idea you want to help jewish people set up a charity or actually work with leap at donate.gg
money comes in money goes out you're able to see it because i i think charities are
a scam too because like 90 of the money goes to like admin overhead and like licensing fees which
is complete bullshit but yeah i don't dude i don't trust him i don't care what he says well i don't
even understand what is anti-americanism is there like a is there a charity you can donate to for
that i think so i think it's called Hamas or something. I don't
know. I'm just kidding. I don't know what anti-American charity is. I'm actually asking
seriously. He's making this a key point of his coin that he's going to fight anti-Americanism,
which is kind of an odd thing that somebody would donate to, but I don't know. Yeah,
I don't get how you can fight anti-Americanism. What does that mean? Yeah, I don't get how you can fight anti like what does that mean? Yeah, I mean like
why would you even want to fight anti-americanism? It's like if somebody hates America, fuck them.
Who gives a shit? It's like everybody can hate anything they want to hate. It's like I don't
care if they don't like America. Yeah, you're not going to change the opinion of seven billion
people. Like at that point, you need to go read like a mental health book and like grow up a
little bit. I assume they mean actions though, right? Like they're trying to fight, let's say anti-American actions. So people doing things that are, um,
against, like, they're not just saying I dislike, you know, the country they're actively doing
things that are, um, harming, you know, harming the country, ignoring laws, skirt, like, I guess,
you know, but does our federal government need laws, like, I guess, you know, anything that...
But Cynthia, does our federal government need someone to protect it?
They're pretty powerful.
Pardon? Does the government need someone to protect it?
Our government's, like, pretty powerful, right?
Like, why do we need to look out for our own federal government?
If they want to do something, they can send the military.
Well, I'm not saying...
Well, do we need to look out for it?
I don't know. We're supposed to be actually...
I mean, not we, because I'm not, you know, we the people technically, because I'm Canadian. But as far as I understand,
you know, and correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe you, the people, have a duty to
ensure that the government is following, I guess, you know, the Constitution and the other laws that they are meant to uphold, basically, right?
So, Cynthia, in that case, his anti-Americanism should actually lead an American revolution
because Congress hasn't been, like, following the Constitution technically for, like, 70 years.
And so, I mean, that's really, that's up to you to decide because as a non-American, I can't decide that technically.
And I've never lived in America either, right?
Like I visited many times, but as someone who's never actually lived there, I personally can't really comment on what it's like to live there, to be a citizen or anything like that, right?
Well, they take our taxes and the taxes go up and then we spend it on really stupid stuff.
That's the lived experience, in my opinion.
I mean, when you guys think of yourselves as Americans, like anybody on stage who's
an American, do you think that patriotism means patriotism for the deep state and the
government?
Or does that mean a loyalty to your fellow Americans, like the human beings?
To me, that's all it means.
We're tied together through like a cultural fabric and location that we share. But it doesn't mean
that like I have to support what the government does, like the federal government. That's kind
of like this super messed up thing that we have, that it's the best we have. So I understand why
we do it. It's like currently the best option, I guess. But I don't think like our federal government is America.
And I don't think being patriotic means, you know, supporting the federal government.
I think it means supporting your fellow Americans and like the culture and beliefs that we all kind of share and have commonality.
And right.
I don't know where I'm going with this.
Welcome to the stage, Jonah.
What's up?
Yeah.
Governments want governments want you decisions to not be able to distinguish between the people and the government.
Agreed. Very much agree with that.
And Cynthia, come on, let's be honest. Canada, you guys know what's going on down here.
We're all in this together.
We're all in this together. Canada's kind of like the 51st state.
Canada's kind of like the 51st state.
I mean, it's really not, though.
And again, you can't, and even living in different parts of Canada and America can be really completely different experiences, right?
But when it comes down to it, yeah, like, I'm not American.
So I wasn't, you know, I haven't spent enough time there.
I haven't lived there.
I haven't been, I haven't, like, the system there per se. Right. So I don't have like a, I don't have a solid opinion on what it's like
to be a citizen, live there, pay the taxes there. You know, the laws there, any of that stuff.
Obviously I followed the laws when I've visited, but I think, you know, it's different,
I think, living somewhere versus visiting for a little bit, right? Right. Yeah, that makes sense.
I do personally believe that Canada is the U.S.'s strongest ally. Like, I don't think we have a
stronger ally than Canada. Probably not. I mean, probably not, right? At this point, especially. I don't know what our current prime minister, I mean, I hear a little bit about him.
I mean, I'm not paying super attention.
Cynthia, if we decide to invade Greenland, you got our back, right?
I mean, I don't want to invade Greenland.
There is actually, Mr. He made a post about Greenland today and
it was referencing, oh, it was
it was quote tweeting
a post that talked about
how Greenland might offer
or sorry, America might offer Greenlanders
like $10 million
each to
you know, when they get taken over or whatever
and so the
meme that Mystery tweeted ited, it was like
it was this lady and these three kids
in a nice kitchen. They're all nicely dressed.
And it's like, Mommy, how do we get rich?
And she said,
we lived in Greenland and they
gave us $10 million each. Something
like that, right?
So that's what
is apparently going on there.
That's what they're talking about.
But will it really happen?
That seems crazy.
Like, how does that happen that countries take over others?
It's either some kind of a treaty or agreement or it's a hostile takeover.
It's like a total of, I of i think 80 000 people that live there
like in the in the whole land but they have something like trillions upon trillions of
dollars worth of rare earth rare earths not necessarily like only within greenland but
that's not even taking into account like the uh seafloor rights that they would have because
greenland is believed to be like part of actually its own continent that has um and the way seafloor rights that they would have because Greenland is believed to be like part of actually
its own continent that has um and the way seafloor rights work is that uh if you can show that your
the stuff the ocean's floor is part of an extension of your land mass being a continental you know
tectonic plate or whatever it's still, kind of not totally a science yet.
But, like, from a legal, on-paper perspective,
the UN would give that country rights to the minerals
and resources of the ocean floor.
Dude, all we need to do with Greenland
is honestly do a military treaty to defend it
because that's like the big thing and then just like lease the stuff like no one needs to invade
i don't know where the common sense people are in that like decision making process but it's not
that hard like hey we will invest and let's split the revenue 50, let's split the profits 50-50.
Do a little rev share, you know, like the creator coins on PumpFun.
Very simple, do a little CTO.
Yeah, I mean, post-World War II imperialism changed, it kind of transformed into a different
looking thing.
It's still the same thing, like you want global influence and access to resources and kind
of power over people and stuff. still the same thing. Like you want global influence and access to resources and kind of
power over people and stuff, but it doesn't take the form of like an army, you know, moving into
another country's borders. It looks very different. Right. And that's the game that everybody's
playing now is influence global influence. And most of it does take shape through military
treaties and then kind of economic trade agreements and this sort of stuff. Um,
okay. All right, guys look very cool. There is a Greenland movie that just came out by the way. and then kind of economic trade agreements and this sort of stuff. Okay.
All right, guys.
Look, very cool.
There is a Greenland movie that just came out, by the way.
I don't know.
Has anybody seen it?
Is it any good?
Isn't it about the world ending with Gerard Butler?
Yeah.
I mean, the first one was great.
The first one was phenomenal.
I have not seen the second one.
I'm going to have to go see it.
I'll report back.
I don't know.
I like Gerard Butler from 300.
He's why I picked Leonitis.
We've got the biggest Gerard Butler fan on crypto Twitter.
I'm not the biggest Gerard Butler fan.
That's not true.
No, on crypto Twitter.
Oh, wow.
Maybe that's true.
I don't know.
I don't know how many fans there are.
But I wanted to see if people like Greenland, too.
If you've seen Greenland, too.
If you've seen Greenland, too, come up.
Tell us if I should go see it or not.
So we've discovered important information this evening, everyone.
Leo's man crush is... This isn't a secret, Cynthia.
Like, I like 300.
Well, I mean, I figured that might have been where your name came from, but I don't know.
Maybe your name is, you know, Leonardo.
Maybe it's actually Anitis. I don't know. I feel terrible. All the Greek people think it's real
and that they like kind of message me like I'm their brother and I have to disappoint them.
Like I unfortunately like don't understand your culture and you know, I've never been to Greece,
but I do think 300 is a pretty bad-ass movie. And I encourage if you are listening to this show and you have not seen the
movie 300, I recommend, I recommend going and watching it tonight.
It's a great movie. That's true.
All right. We have Jonah up here. Jonah, what are you into these days?
How's life?
I'm working.
That's what we like to hear.
What are you working on?
Live frame, my startup.
So, I mean, like, I make content here.
I talk some shit here, like, all that.
But, you know, mainly just working on my startup.
And it's doing well.
I'm excited.
Hell yeah, man.
Can you give us the, like, 30-second elevator pitch for people who aren't familiar?
Yeah. We're building next-generation creator economy software on-chain.
We'll start with base. We are starting with base.
We built our own custom AI algorithm that we call HypeScore
that measures the internet of live streamers in real time every half second.
Based on the virality score our ai
gives them and then initiates a ai clip the ai clips for you it then shows up in our platform
in real time um that's part one of the software and part two is we build what we call smart
folders they are folders that are also campaigns all in one and every single campaign has an escrow on-chain
system attached to it where every time uh people make email accounts on our platform they get a
coinbase wallet without knowing it the same way that privy does and they can get paid in real time
on chain in stables evm or svm currencies uh for redistributing that content on behalf of the
creator or brand dude hell yeah so you obviously have been big into gaming and i think gaming was
the first category to like really understand the importance of live streaming in that form of
content so i imagine you've had a lot of experience with live streaming over the years i think it's
now moving beyond just gamers.
It's not just a gamer thing.
It's kind of a broad cultural thing that's happening.
Clipping is my understanding.
You know, I've never streamed
and I'm not super into that culture,
but my understanding is that the model of content creators
is you do lots of content, like many hours a day of content,
and then you're just constantly clipping the best
bits and like just content getting generated during those hours of content and then you take
the best clips and you're pushing that out on many different socials um can you maybe explain like is
that correct is that fundamentally yeah yeah that's that's correct yeah that's correct
you save people time and the guesswork of what's going to go viral, basically,
by clipping for them and kind of doing testing of that in your platform.
Like, if I'm a streamer, like, how do I use you guys?
We save time, money, and management.
If you're a creator, you sign in through your Twitch account on top of our platform.
We'll have Kik and YouTube as well integrated, but twitch is the the biggest so we're doing that first uh from there once you sign in
through your twitch a coinbase wallet gets spun up automatically in your email without you needing
to know how to use it um this will come later this month but we're also doing stream to earn
so based on how your twitch account uh exists and what content you do, when there's an
advertiser in our platform, you can work with them through the click of a button and just,
you know, change your tag and category on Twitch and you'll earn in real time for that. So we save
time, money and management for a creator or a brand where AI is doing your clipping for you so you don't
necessarily need a clipper. We have automated distribution inside our platform so you can
manage what clippers you're paying and why as well as track it in real time and you pay them
on chain which is really easy because you can track payments, you can do international payment,
all sorts of things that are legal. And you can take
those wallets with you, you can export them. So you get the decentralized sovereignty of being
a content creator, earning money and doing it at your own discretion. So yeah, we want to be
very attractive to Web2, but use, you know, on-chain in the background.
too but use you know on chain in the background okay so at the center of this to make this work
there's this like ai algorithm thing that is able to consume a bunch of content for example the
ordinal show we talk a lot probably a lot of what we talk about is not very interesting
but occasionally you know an hour and a half in there will be some really interesting
moment that happens and then that moment passes.
How does an AI determine where that is to clip it?
That's kind of what I want to know.
And could that be used for things other than streaming?
Could it be used?
Could I write a tweet into a box, and it tells me, we think this is going to get 150 reposts, or we think this is going to get 150 reposts or we think this is going to get 800 reposts could it like uh we're in my box and type into twitter and i'm trying to
see what's going to go viral i'll delete the thing that i wrote because i don't think it's good
and my we're not we're gonna we could but we're not very interested in written we're we're way
more interested in video and live stream and um Twitter is not the place where we want to really grow, if I'm going to be honest with you.
We want to build a crypto app that works on TikTok, Instagram, and YouTube.
Because that's a complete blue ocean of completely new users who don't have any access to crypto or any way of making money.
have any access to crypto or any way of making money.
And since I used to run an agency that specialized in that
and I've come from Web2,
I know how to bring those users on chain
and we're gonna do it through my model
that I think will work.
We could do what you're suggesting,
it just doesn't make sense.
Now, for us economically, how does our AI work?
I mean, I'm not gonna give you the complete secret sauce sauce that's what makes us valuable but there's at least 200
different cues partially open source partially proprietary on an audio
algorithm and then a second algorithm that's called virality filter that's
watching each clip and then scoring it before being served into our platform
and over time our our algorithm will get more intelligent
because if you look at how AI works,
once we build a learning model from it,
and we have a lot of those clips in our data room,
in our database, we can train our AI
to understand what clips you picked and why,
so it can learn from its mistakes.
And that's how we hopefully become the unicorn company
because we'll build creator first models
that the AI will understand over time.
Interesting.
So is this live today?
Like, can somebody sign up for it today?
Yeah, it works right now.
Okay.
Okay, so where do people go?
It's not out today.
Yeah, liveframe.ai.
It's not out to the public totally today.
We have a wait list, but we're giving it to a couple businesses first,
like Cal of our customers.
Google Labs has used it.
Loot, which is a trading terminal.
There's a bunch like that where we've been doing it in testing.
There's a Web 2 game on Steam that's like a top 75 game on Steam that's using it.
But yeah, we'll open it up to all creators by the end of this month.
That's the goal.
We just turned on the wallets today after testing it for the last few weeks.
And so we're officially an on-chain company as of three hours ago.
Shit. Congrats, man.
Are you guys focusing on the Creator Capital Markets Pump Fund stuff,
or are you not interested in that group of people?
I don't give a shit either way.
Now, we did have an investor suggest that we make our own version of Pump Fund.
We're not going to do that.
Someone said, hey, why doesn't every clip be a token and we said that's our that's not a good
idea that's a really fucking stupid idea so no be it away from that well we're
we're funded but one of our investors is coinbase ventures so you know I kind of
have an idea of what they're doing what they're
not doing so um they're they're definitely very pro creator still but i think that the model
is how do you get hundreds and hundreds of web2 streamers or even thousands with having coinbase
wallets therefore being on base app and how do you get hundreds of thousands
of clippers right and then how do you scale there how do you bring net new users on chain rather
than how do we turn them into tokens because there's going to be plenty of tokens for them
to trade anyway whether it's you know some company tokenized equity or it's some meme coin or you know
some nft there's so many things that they can trade. So I'm more
interested in the business of funneling data and funneling users than I am turning them into
trading operations. I know that Base has a builder toolkit. Are you saying that Coinbase now offers
a Privy style flow for Base to kind of Base builders to plug into? We're one of the first.
base to kind of base builders to plug into we're one of the first yeah we're gonna we're one of the
first to do this yeah we have i mean they haven't really marketed it but they're building a ryan
tweeted about this a week ago for the first time i had never heard any mention of this from coinbase
people brian tweeted about it a week ago um very kind of vaguely and i figured maybe they're cooking
something like privy over there yeah sounds like you've been working on it we're one of the first to use it yeah i mean i'm sure there'll
be some co-marketing and we'll push it a little bit but uh every wallet on live frame is a coin
base wallet but as far as the creator knows it's a live frame wallet but they can export it into
a coinbase or a base app that's from my understanding how it works.
But anything the Coinbase wallet can do, we can also do.
So if you want to pay out in Solana or whatever Solana compatible currency, we can do that.
You want EVM and any EVM L2 that's integrated into Coinbase wallet, we can do that.
You want to do USDC stables, we can do that.
And of course, we also earn yield on all the creator finance that's
on our platform we are in direct stable coin yield so over the past 10 years we've seen
like every you know first grader or third grader let's say 10 years ago if you asked them what they
wanted to be when they grew up they'd want to to be a YouTuber, which basically meant I want to be like a long form video content creator.
You would ask them five years ago, they would say, I want to be a TikToker.
I want to be, you know, Vine influencer.
They want to now be short form video influencers.
If you ask them now, they all say we want to be streamers.
They want to be live streaming.
What is it about live streaming that's so powerful?
Why is the momentum
so strong there um it's the most it feels the most real a lot of people who are on the internet
can't tell what's real or not and you have irl live streamers who are going to things exploring
things traveling meeting people in person going going to events. And there's
still plenty of people who can't attend that event, but want to feel like they're, you know,
they're around, that they have like this, you know, sympathetic, almost friend group.
And so the best way I can explain it is it's taking the reality TV show model and decentralizing
it. That's what live stream is. model and decentralizing it that's what live
stream is and people everyone likes reality tv everyone wants to be on a reality tv show it's
the most exciting organic thing you can do between a group of people when you're making content
okay interesting and you see this permeating all categories of content not just video games right like sports historically
probably was like the og live streaming like people watched oh yeah yeah our algorithm works
yeah our algorithm works on all of it not just gaming uh we have prediction market live traders
that are using it we have we're talking to a sports league now that might be using us. We have IRL streamers.
We have gaming streamers.
You name it.
I mean, like excitement comes in all forms.
Funny enough, one industry that I didn't realize could use us,
but it makes sense is we had a group ask us about integrating into whatnot,
which is an e-commerce app.
Because when we were doing early testing,
card pack opening streams do really
well on our platform because people get really excited when they open up a rare card and that
becomes a pretty clippable moment that people want to see online because you know when someone has
this dopamine rush of getting a rare asset whether it's an nft or a physical trading card
that's that's a dopamine rush that everyone else wants to share so we found that to
be very interesting okay very cool i see we have satoshi's brother we saw the labu blue tiktok
videos no oh yeah well yeah well the girls ate that shut up yeah yeah that was uh that was the
peak froth of collectibles i mean it's probably going to keep
going um but yeah i mean that that was a great example of like distributed content you know
there were tons of clips of of girls playing the labubu casino and getting a rare set and
you know they're crying and screaming on video um sadoshi's bride what's up do you have a question for jonah hold on were you the one
that posted that that whole did you post that is that where i saw you where there was a video
of those la boo boo people being happy did you post that jonah did i post it just asking no
no no that wasn't me moving on okay okay okay okay okay okay i need to talk
to you right now so like are you profitable are you are you you're still beta what's what's
happening we're we're we're in alpha we've only been out for about two months we've been building
this behind closed doors for about a year almost but But we already have about 130K ARR.
And on the wait list, there's almost a million in ARR
that we can go and potentially grab.
So we are making money right now.
Yeah, and we make money in a few ways.
One is brands pay a subscription service
to use the software.
That's one.
Another is if someone wants to start a campaign in an escrow pool, we can take a small percentage of that.
Same thing as any other platform.
The other way, which is not now, but maybe in a year or so, is as we're aggregating and collecting this data,
LLMs and large AI models that need organic content to train on, which we can pay creators to absorb through licensing deals.
Yeah, those are the main ways we make money.
And this is a very important topic that I would like to hear your opinion on it.
What are you going to do about licensing?
If the data and if the creator content is to be trained with AI,
how are you going to handle licensing infinitum to the infinity?
Well, we're not on the way there yet,
but I used to consult for some gambling companies
who held a lot of personal data that's very valuable.
And so we're probably going to have to, if we're operating in Europe anyway,
we have to adhere to GDPR compliance because that's still very much in effect in Europe.
But I really like the model that Kled has, which is a Solana app,
where they're direct paying users for uploading content.
It is very transparent, but we're building a marketplace integrated where once you allow a LLM or brand to buy your clip or buy the rights to your clip, you'll be able to track
who bought it and when. And it's like an aggregate collector database on our site,
if that makes sense. That's the best way I can explain it right now.
if that makes sense. That's the best way I can explain it right now.
Okay, moving on. What would it look like? Okay, I want to, the whole thing with the
Labuboos and opening the package and that whole like joy, the joyfulness of that,
I want to recreate that for April. And like, what would it look like for me to use your product
and have a campaign and have, I i guess i don't know if my target
users are would be on your platform like do you have people so do you already have people opening
up with the boo-boos or what is that clips that came from twitch so i just pinned to the top what
um just like early video of how our campaign system looks with the YouTube integration.
It'll look the same with TikTok Instagram, all of them.
So the way it works, well, as we grow
and we have a marketplace,
eventually we can serve creators to you, right?
As creators sign up, we'll learn about them.
And then if you have a campaign you want to do,
we can suggest those creators reach out to you
inside our platform.
But for now you need to bring your own creators right and your own campaign budget and then this
software will allow you if they're live streamers to track what they're doing and
how they're doing it. The AI will clip it and score what you'll see inside our
software and then there could be clippers whether they're yours or ours
who can access those folders, grab those pieces of content, they can edit
them if they want or post them raw. And then you can customize your CPM or RPM rates in
that folder. And then we track their posts and how they're performing in real time. And
I just posted... Sorry, someone just tried to call me. I don't know if you can still...
Yeah. Okay. Well, I have an admin mode where i can basically
let's say i come with 10 creators and then can i have an admin mode to see like the summaries of
what they've done and their their money making yeah it's all pinned to the top i mean it's it's
not uh as direct as like an ai is telling you how they perform but you'll be able to see all their
clips uh the scores the ai gave it you can go see their past streams you can see how
the clippers posted where they posted how they performed what their engagement rate is their
viewership uh everything yeah i mean that's what we spent a lot of time putting together
okay well what do i have to do to skip the wait list uh like uh you need me to bring creators like what do you need uh
give me like 20 days because we already have a a list like a long 20 days well am i gonna be
alive in 20 days jonah i hope you will be i mean like i don't know i believe that you do
you're very kind okay fine 20 days what is days. What is that? A month from now? Well, because we're, because we're, yeah, because this is like the, there's like three
core pillars to our tech and the final piece is almost ready to go.
And when that gets added, everything just, like, everything's going to make sense and
it's going to be beautiful, which is the stream to earn.
Because right now we have an entire system to pay clippers and we have a system to track creators but what we're missing is a system to pay the creators in real time for
making that content so you have an entire suite of uh motivating creators why am i missing that
because you can't figure it out you're missing that because they haven't finished the task
well it's it's almost done but we have to scale our backend Kubernetes on AWS because everything's
running through cloud and it's a complex.
And then we want to make sure that it's, you know, like, if we turn this all on and all
this sudden, you know, let's say we're lucky and it's thousands of creators, you know,
we have to make sure that our backend can support that.
That's a lot of users and a lot of
programming and a lot of measurement you know oh are you a real engineer like are you an engineer
like are you serious no my no my well no my co-founder is he's my technical co-founder i'm uh
from the business and finance and uh entertainment and is he more is he like does he come from Android background or
Go or what?
No, he's a full-scale engineer
mainly in Python
and stuff like that.
Huh. Okay.
Jonah, when you crashed out last year
I think this was maybe like May
if I'm remembering correct and said you were
quitting crypto Twitter and gaming
and stuff like that. Did you already know
that you were pivoting behind the scenes to this
new streaming thing?
Yeah.
Was that a
manufactured crash out?
Was that like an
you knowing how to work the algorithm
for engagement, or was that a legitimate
crash out?
No, it's just like Twitter's kind of easy i mean like
the whole thing is i need this is what i thought this is exactly i i this is what i know you know
how to work these guys you know how to get in the timeline that wasn't a real crash okay that's what
i thought this is my guess um jew? Jewish. In a healthy way.
I'm complimenting you.
I don't know.
I was just born to be a criminal.
I don't know.
No, manipulative.
That's not criminal.
What's the question, Satoshi's bride?
What?
What's the question you asked him?
How did he learn to be so manipulatively well?
Dude, he's got a brain for marketing.
Like, that's what he's got.
But not everyone has a brain.
He knows how to say things that people want to pay attention to.
I mean, most psychology is based around the seven deadly sins.
If most people operate on one of those sins,
and if you understand that sin, you understand how to activate them.
Wow.
That sounds kind of bad.
Are you?
I'm not.
I'm not that.
I'm not.
Are your parents elevated?
Are they hippies or ministers?
Very conservative.
Conservative religious?
They're just old. Conservative Republicans? I don don't know what does conservative mean anymore. Yeah
Republican I mean they're not like
Let's be fair. They don't really like Trump. So maybe they're more moderate. Do they go to church on Sunday?
They're Jewish so no, oh They don't go to synagogue
Say no more Say no more.
Say no more.
I get it.
I get it.
And that's awesome.
And I think you're great.
And I want to, okay, 20 days.
Do you have any final questions for Jonah about his product?
Um, I'll see you in 20 days.
That's it.
And I better be off with 20 days.
I'll just tell me what you need and I'll do it. And I will be on, I'll add value. That's it. And I better be off for 20 days. I'll just tell me
what you need and I'll do it and I'll be on
I'll add value. Don't worry.
Thank you. Jan, so
Satoshi's bride and I have been glazing
Jonah. We're going to appoint Jan to be
Kevin O'Leary. Jan, you need
to grill Jonah right now.
Jan? Man, I got
disconnected for the past five minutes. I don't
know what you discussed so i
don't know if i should grill him that's a classic i knew that or something yeah no exactly what we're
talking about we're talking about jonah's new startup yeah and i what i heard before i rocked
john you literally are the code pretty good i want to talk about it for 20 minutes you know
exactly what we're talking about yeah i want to use that i want to use it now. We've been talking about it for 20 minutes. You know exactly what we're talking about. Yeah, I want to use that.
I want to use that tool.
I don't know how I can use it, but I want to use it.
I think it sounds pretty dope.
So I don't know.
You know, I don't have anything to say to make Jonah feel bad, you know, about the product
itself.
So I don't know what you want me to do.
Insult Coinbase.
Insult Coinbase and say that they're greedy or something.
Insult their investor instead of him.
That's a good one.
Why should I do that?
Okay, Jan wasn't a very good Kevin O'Leary.
Trevor, ask him a hard question.
Ask him a good question about his business model
or something.
It's too late for that, dude.
It's like it's 11 p.m now you know
no no no who was that dumb the dumb one who who implode who who suggested tokenization
when are you gonna get rid of that guy is this the joke about trevor or what are you asking me
i don't i don't work i don't work for them no jonah said there was a guy who told us to do tokenization.
Oh, it wasn't...
Well, I mean, like, I'm not an ARC.
I won't tell you who,
but I'll tell you, I mean, it was Solana.
We were considering going to Solana or base
in the early days, and we decided base.
Yeah, okay, okay.
Good. You did a better...
Was it Nikita?
What?
No, I've talked to Nikita,
but not about that stuff.
I don't mind...
I don't want to talk about Salami.
Not on a good day.
Okay. I don't hate
any chain, really. I mean, maybe Avalanche.
I don't really like their community. I think their community
sucks. Their community sucks.
Dude, Jonah has beef with Avalanche
that goes way back to Tochi's Bread.
Okay, because the tech is not as bad as Salami.
No, no,
the tech is fine, but like,
you know, like,
you can have the greatest tech, but the worst
community, and that can kind of
kill the tech. Oh, like the Bitcoin ossifiers?
I don't know the background, but I'll
agree with you. Jonah, the people who don't want Bitcoin to ever change, the Maxis, the laser eye Maxis.
Okay, I call them Maximillions because I don't think they even deserve Maxi.
Because I use Maxi pads, and they're not even better than my Maxi pads, to be unfair.
Cynthia, are you going to say anything, you sweet, sweet girl?
Well, no, it's Jonah's time.
But I don't want to say Cynthia to Cynthia because she's my favorite.
All right.
Well, Jonah, we appreciate you coming up, man.
Glad you sound like you're doing really well and working on some fun shit.
You know, this is cool, I think.
Trying.
Trying.
Yeah, it's like you're going to go to market and everything.
It's an exciting time.
So, you know, not easy. trying yeah it's like you're gonna go to market and everything it's an exciting time so um you
know not easy but uh i do i do see like streaming constantly i see everyone like no one cares about
twitter spaces nobody cares about like podcasts everybody wants streaming so well they care about
podcasts they just want to be live they don't want to listen to like a chopped up ai edited podcast
in the sense that it's like no not really i mean like they do so what i've noticed funny enough about
that content so there are people who make a million dollars a year and they make content
no one listens to and the hack is that they happen to make i call them like asmr podcast
and it's just podcast that you could fall asleep
to if you're home alone because people like having white noise in the background so all these
advertisers are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to these podcasts but they're just
being used as like uh snooze buttons and it's kind of hilarious. Like, a majority of Spotify's podcasts are built around that entire thought.
Okay, so Leonidas, what does this teach you about your game plan with streaming and radio?
Do you have one?
Well, we need to move the Ordinal Show to a live stream.
Absolutely.
And which one?
I mean, Jonah, isn't the idea you just stream like through
restream on like every platform at once yeah i mean yeah literally that you can use restream
or stream yard or there's one open source one but i don't use it i forget the name of it
uh just pick a channel that you want to be like your main home but then restream from all those
different channels and have a feed through the restream chat.
And that's it.
It's really easy.
Twitch or YouTube.
All you need to do is connect to YouTube.
As the main channel.
I mean, as your main channel,
I would say if you're starting from zero,
probably YouTube.
Really?
Well, Twitch has no discovery.
And every YouTube stream becomes a VOD.
So, like, in theory, you could make those VODs interesting inside the editor and distribute.
That's why.
Okay, so new channels on YouTube.
And if I want to recruit channel hosts, I'll recruit popular ones from Twitch that already have fans like that.
Yeah, or there may be ones on YouTube that started there.
I think a lot like crypto, streaming has become very decentralized
where it's really like every creator has their own strategy.
The biggest one right now that came up out of nowhere,
his name is The Burnt Peanut.
It's literally a stream of a guy dressed as a peanut
and he plays a game called arc raiders he
started he started with like zero fans but he made these really funny tick tock and instagram reels
edits and now every time he goes live he has about 70 000 people watching him live concurrent wow
yeah jonah we need your advice on something as an expert on streaming and shows so what if there was
a hypothetical show where there's three co-hosts of the show and they do it twice a week and one
of the co-hosts only shows up to one of the shows every week and is missing 50 of the shows what
would typically happen what would you advise the co-hosts do in that situation?
Well, they're no longer the flagship co-hosts.
They're just every now and then guests.
So they're just like a speaker?
Yeah, they're just like a speaker that comes on every so often. And it's like a guest that the audience likes to hear from from time to time.
But they're not the main show.
So they don't deserve co-host status.
They don't deserve their name on the headline.
Wait a second.
Wait a second.
Calm down.
Calm down.
It's not about deservability.
It's about profitability.
If having another co-host
increases views and impressions,
that's all that matters.
Having a name on the thing
doesn't make any more money or less money.
If we bring Cynthia up as co-host,
is that better for profitability for the Ordinal Show?
You're not profiting in the Ordinal Show right now, are you?
Are you monetized?
I think the topic matters more than the guests to kind of start.
I mean, like, the guests will make the show, but the topic does matter.
I think when you're starting out,
you can go the joe rogan route
and spend 20 years to maybe make it and he just he got lucky because he did it his way he was also
just very early but he was also like successful in the entertainment industry before yeah that's
true right nothing to do with you know that has nothing to do with anything in a way because he
already had a huge yeah he had an anchor right so Yeah, I think the best way to start is to
really
find a niche that is
high desire for listening,
whether it's politics or gaming
or a sort of drama.
I'm not here to say whether
ordinals is right or wrong.
No, it's not. Come on.
Just tell the truth.
Nobody cares about the word ordinals.
You have to make it a reason.
I respect the conviction for Bitcoin assets, but I do think they're dead.
You should be a politician, bro.
Like, just tell the truth.
If you want my honest truth.
I think you know that by now.
I love Bitcoin as the asset i have
not a single remote desire to ever buy an ordinal wait wait you don't own any ordinals
there's no way wait but jonah doesn't have any nfts either he doesn't well i used to i sold i
sold them off because in fairness you don't have a desire to own any NFTs either right
well that's not necessarily well largely yes there has been like one or two recently where
I'm like oh those are kind of cool but pretty much no I used to and then I realized that this
asset class is kind of a waste of time do you have experts installed on your computer or phone? Anywhere?
Do I?
Let me check my embeds.
Oh my god, embeds? You're so cool.
I have Metamon, Stantum,
Rabi, Talisman.
No, I don't have X-verse.
Did you ever download X-verse?
Did you ever collect ordinals?
I did it through Magic Eid
when they were really pushing it.
What did you buy?
And then I don't get there.
Why?
The ones that Trevor made.
And then I also had, fuck, what was the name of the thing?
I had, they were like, it was like a grift.
It was a grift where people, this guy was trying to build, like, fucking games on top of Bitcoin.
I was like, all right, whatever.
It was like a French guy.
Fuck, what's his name?
He's kind of an asshole.
Who was he?
I love assholes.
You're talking about, shoot, I'm forgetting his name.
Wow.
You know what I'm talking about, bro.
Well, he's the only French guy doing gaming in Ordinal.
So I think I...
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
He built, like, whatever. He tried to build
a... Oh, they were called Sparks.
Annie Mocha owns them.
Yeah, I got rid of that. Actually, I'm like,
this is a return. Yeah, it was a Spark holder too. I also sold.
Of course, I sold after
I was supposed to get some airdrop
of a token, so I didn't really sell at a good time.
I think I lost money on it.
I bought it for like .07 and sold it for like 0.03 um okay okay very cool and did you hold ordinals
when did you buy your first ordinal uh the early days i mean i i bought sparks i i know i had some
other ordinal before sparks and and the Pizza Ninjas.
It was like one or two of those.
I had an Alu.
I had one of those.
And I had like two others.
I'm forgetting the others.
I'd have to go back and look.
But I collected NFTs on every chain.
And there's some that I still like I really think are awesome.
It's just like I would love to see it be a, I would love to see
it come back, but I look at CS2 skins, I look at all these other assets that are not on chain,
and while I think the chain is better, I look at those communities and it's like,
they had this shit figured out early on. Like, chain or not, it's really about the value of the
asset and what you can do with it. And it just like buying cs2 skins or pokemon cards or something like that it's so or roblox skins even
they're all just so much more interesting than buying on chain and fts because they have such a
cool non-finance related history behind them and i think the problem most assets on chain is they're so linked
to just financial narratives that it kind of kills the the magic of the asset for me versus a cs2 skin
like it's not just something i can sell it's like this is the special sticker that you can only get
at the katavice 2010 tournament and simple who's a big you know had it. And this is one of the rare skins from CS version 1.whatever.
And I remember being a kid playing that game and getting my first gaming PC.
I just have a lot of non-financial emotions to those assets.
How much did that skin cost?
What does that skin go for that you just described?
Well, the Katavice one, they can go for like $30,000 or more.
Like those are expensive.
Oh, wow.
Okay, interesting.
Interesting.
Okay.
And they sell.
There's a market.
Yeah, I mean, that's pretty high.
And they just trade on a centralized order book type of jewelry.
Yeah, they just trade on Steam.
Well, there's like forks of Steam,
like where you can like take them through their ids outside of it but most people just trade them on steam or one of the
main steam related uh entities i forget what the big trading site is but i'd have to go back and
look because i have most of it in my steam assets you don't hold any nfts anymore none you've sold
everything i'm sure i have some that i couldn't sell. I'd have to go check.
I just haven't looked at them in the last year.
Gotcha. Do you hold meme coins?
Did you get the dog airdrop?
Do I hold meme coins?
Fuck no. I sell them on people.
What? Why not,
Jonah?
Because they're in financial value.
The financial value is
dumping them on someone else's head.
It is-
You realize it's a definitely billion dollar asset.
No, no, no.
That's because you're a Solana boy, and that's the Solana boy culture.
Same thing on all chains.
No, it's not.
It's not, Donna.
You're wrong.
The only difference between ETH meme coins and Solana meme coins is that Solana takes a little longer to rug,
but over a course of time, unless it's like a Pepe or a doge or some like
you know crazy historical thing right they're largely meant to dump on retail okay what does
it mean to be historical that it happened how many years ago no I think that well this is the thing
where I said I like CS2S it's like I'll give you an example Pepe it's like Pepe Pepe was just like the mascot of the internet and there's so many different
variations and cool videos and music videos and art styles of Pepe that it's
like oh my god like this is internet history as a meme coin and then on top
of that you have the fact that you know Pepe was considered a racial slur by
the democratic government so it gave it this anarchist kind of cool factor to support it.
And that's a non-financial thing that gets me excited.
I'm saying I'm not anti-NFTs or anti-Bitcoin ordinals or any of that.
I'm not anti-the asset.
What you're not seeing, the perspective you're not seeing is we are the historical 10, 15 years from now.
Like, we are, we, in this room.
Right. Like the assets in the media we do, the the dolls that we come out with, the little
la boo boo doggies, whatever we we output to children, we are the history. We're gonna be
old. The history part isn't exactly like the biggest thing. That's what I was explaining.
Like the history is correct. Yeah, but the history is correct.
10 years from now, we are gonna be the history. Like a guy like you is gonna be young
and talking about this and the way you talk about it and i know but let me give you an example
let me give you an example though like there's not maybe other than two nfts i can think of on
eve there's not a single nft or ordinal i would say piece of ninjas are a little different because
i like trevor personally right but i'm just talking the larger zeitgeist, right?
There's not a single ordinal that I can think of.
Actually, that's not true.
What's that one where they're schizophrenic and they're like, we hate the government,
but the guy kind of like, no, no, they were like, no, the, the fuck there.
They were like the earliest shit it was from a frank d god
it was like from frank d god's group whatever this could get there's like hand drawn
omb ombs like ombs are a little different i think those have some interesting meaning i don't know
where they're at now but none of these assets make me
feel something beyond the idea of making money well you probably like i like to make money
jonathan then you you yeah right but that's that that's the problem like none of their content
captured me and i went like oh my god this is so fucking cool and i think that's the case for most
of these assets i think azuki is one of the rare differences now i think they've kind of fucked
up correct but like when i look at azuki's content and i look at their enemy i'm like
damn i want a season of that that looks fucking sick and when they came out with those trading
cards i genuinely wanted to buy one of the booster boxes because i was like dude i fuck i'm a huge
anime nerd i love anime i watch anime all the time and they hired they brought in like the guy from
fucking you know like you know some of these biggest anime productions in the world.
And they made a series on YouTube and all this stuff.
And that's one where I go, oh wow, I could see myself wanting to hold Mizuki just because I love the content they're making.
But 99% of all other assets, I don't feel that way at all.
Isn't that the same way with 99% of games?
Most of the games aren't going to be the biggest games ever that you're going to love.
Like, those top things rise.
And then there's games like CSGO.
But I also don't buy all those games.
Because you're sharp.
Right?
And you're not being able to buy it.
Like, that's true.
What you're saying is true.
And also, my habits and everyone's habits match that.
There's about 800 games that launch a year on Steam,
and of those, about 13 become generally successful,
and those are the ones that get bought,
and then we don't buy any of those other ones.
That's the same for all assets on chain, for sure.
How many become CS go where they're relevant
10 years from now oh i would say i would say you get one you get one every two or three years
yeah so i guess the point that i'm making is like it's just genuinely extremely hard in anything
to create something that lasts for decades that's just just very hard to do. That's not a crypto thing.
That's not a gaming thing.
That's just like a hard thing to do in general.
No, it's not.
Not if you reverse engineer this.
I'm telling you.
One of the reasons Suzuki also won,
like in their Discord,
they hired therapists,
like licensed therapists to do like a therapy room.
About what?
They let gamers go in there and about mental health.
Literally.
That might've attracted people that have mental health issues though,
which might've adversely.
I don't know if I agree.
It might've negatively affected the price by having community members with
mental health issues.
I don't think I like that either.
That's kind of weird.
No, you don't. You're talking like a healthy person.
Gamers are usually
sub-mental
diseases.
That's not really true
as someone who plays games.
Listen to me.
I'm telling you that in the beginning,
before they were even popular,
part of their core ethics was we want the
people that are watching our content and we want gamers to be healthy like they added that to the
um so this is where i disagree because if if you i'm not no i'm not but i didn't give you a
disagreement i told you that i believe that part of the reason like a mad like a gladwell tipping
point type reason reason for their success
was because in the core of their ethics, they decided from the beginning
they wanted to contribute to the health of their community
and the people that they were leveraging for.
I don't think that's what makes a brand super successful.
Well, no, not every element,
but there is that element that made it more special
than others
look I think we can agree to
disagree I personally don't do that
but can you imagine the price
yeah and I have a difference
that the discord opens a channel with a licensed
therapist to talk to you about the price
like that's pretty insane
that's just objectively funny
no it's not like i can just
tell you that that when modern warfare came out our runescape uh we were committing crimes and
and and quite frankly saying racial slurs like in runescape i i committed a lot of crimes like
i stole money from kids online they got i'll tell you straight up and like we all had fun doing it
but in my work
their parents you didn't steal from them they weren't working oh no i stole from them for sure
they they some of those kids were working i i i stole a lot of them if they want to play in the
big leagues they're gonna have to learn how to gamble right but i'm just saying that like i don't
think mental health goes into a brand that captures like the zeitgeist unless there's like unless a
brand i'll give i'll give you a good example of a brand
that isn't that like squish mellows right that's like a you know like a stuffed animal style brand
where it's weighted and the whole thing is supposed to relieve anxiety like that's a great example
where health is at the center but I think if you're like an azuki or the whatever the next
you know big anime health is not a factor it's like is every frame really fucking good and are
they making a cool story like you know the guy gets the girl sort of story or like they fight
the monsters and you know like it's a very it's a very different type of thing right if you wanted
a health focused anime which is very depressing it's called to you no you're okay I agree with what you're saying and what I'm not saying what you're saying
I'm not correlating or comparing the same thing is that what I'm saying is
the reason in my thesis of my philosophy of life and philosophy of business that the reason why
Their anime turned out well was because the creators the mind think of the people that were inputting
energy hiring real professionals all over the world like you said was because they had good
like they had intentions to be a positive uh a positive message and a cool and interesting and
heroic for their whole community and you know like that's a different, and especially compared to everything else
that was coming out at that era
from Ethereum and from Solana's,
and it was different.
Like, the thing is also,
like, you weren't there in the sense,
like, I was there.
Like, I saw the lines like a club.
Like, at Azuki, Singapore.
I actually was there.
I was at that party.
You were?
Yeah, I went to Singapore.
So I'm saying, that's what I'm saying.
You don't create fanship like that unless the message really captures the heart.
Those people loved Ozuki.
They loved having that little gait.
They loved the community, the people they met.
Everyone is cool.
I don't know
i i have the feelings i'm a woman right and it's just i could tell everyone was excited everyone
was just like and everyone you know how you know when you like the ave parties you know like it's
not so much about the actual party but it's good if the dj's good but it's like if you got an invite
you're cool and everyone in the line waiting outside in the cold is cool too and it's let's we all just want
to be cool together it's kind of like that and azuki had that uh what is that they have the cool
factor and you know the cool cool and fun factor that's part of what i'm saying yeah yeah no i i
agree with cool and fun factor like yeah you know i mean i'll just all right so like i'll
give you an example like one of the things that i'm just gonna say that's like the truth but no
one else talks about it like uh azuki had the what i call the abg factor and every white man knows
what abg is which is uh azuki had really hot asian girls in the collector group and a bunch of white
guys wanted to wanted to be
able to talk to them that doesn't mean anything happened or that any you know any dates or
anything but asian abg stands for asian baby girls they're basically oh my god can you call
them baby girls i call nigerian girls baby girls well just to be clear baby girl is not meant to be like an innocent thing it
i know i know it's cute but you called abgs that's what yeah well not me it's just like
the term is what everyone calls them i don't think it's a it's a very lovely word baby girl
like hey baby connotations are a little different but yeah yeah i call like i call my nigerian
little sisters baby girls.
Like, I don't call them baby girls.
I say, hey, baby girls.
Yeah, I think we're saying different things.
Just trust me.
We keep saying different things, but I'm on your team.
I know, girl.
I know, I know.
I'm just saying what you say, baby girls, is not what we – yeah, it's different.
Yeah, because I'm not a man, and I'm not attracted to women.
Yeah, yeah. That's all i'm saying different do you hang out with cheeses and like those gaming boys or the the
lizard people i don't know uh i don't know what lizard people are talking about i don't know man
i just know i captured you like a few weeks ago oh you're in my feed oh yeah and i own you like i own your image in a different form
that's mine yeah you're welcome hell yeah um speaking of that i'm gonna go watch fallout
episode five i think it's five the by the way great show highly recommend it
Wait, great show.
Highly recommend it.
I highly recommend you.
Not that anybody cares, but I would use your product and contribute feedback because I
think that you're right and you're rational and you're not biased by pig-headed things
like casino games.
My last product was a casino game.
Just because you know how to gamble doesn't mean you're a pig i built the casino that means you're higher you're the architect of you're the architect
of what is it leveraging pig-headedness and ignorance and avarice you're not the avarice. You're not the avarice, sir. True.
Avarice.
That's a word I have to... That feels like you're going to cast a spell.
Avarice.
Abracadabra, baby.
Abracadabra.
I cast many spells, but they're all good.
All right.
All right.
You're going to cast the money spell on me.
Okay, I will.
I'll absolutely do that. I'll absolutely do that.
I'm going to hang out with this man.
God, you're doing really well.
Good luck with everything.
And come update us in a few months, okay?
Yeah, I'll be around.
I'll be around.
Trevor, come to Florida sometime.
Let me buy you lunch.
Hell yeah.
But how about pizza?
Actually, I don't know if we make good pizza.
You don't really tell him about the pizza part.
Because he'll fly out for a good pizza.
Wait, are pizzas going to come to the Dallas thing in April?
What's the Dallas thing in April?
It's Bitcoin week.
Like BitBlock Boom and everybody's doing events.
Oh, I didn't know about that.
Okay, Dallas.
Look up Dallas.
BitBlockBoom
or something like
Dallas BitBlockBoom.
I have a conference.
It's a small conference, but it's the best conference.
And then other folks
are going to have, you know, basically make it a week
and do side events and stuff.
And we're going to do something.
And it would be nice if you had pizza there.
Yeah, we'll see what we can do.
Of the delivery pizza companies,
Trevor, so Hungry Howie's, Domino's,
Papa John's, Pizza Hut, who has the best?
Say again.
List the options again. So Hungry Howie's,
Papa John's, Pizza pizza hut domino's
personally just a personal opinion i mean i think they're all relatively close honestly there's probably not that big of a difference between between them
but i would have to go with pizza hut personally
okay cool cool cool and do you ever make your own pizza, Trevor? Like,
do you get mozzarella and like get your own dough and that kind of stuff?
No, because my bar is too high and I can't, you know, like it's, pizza is, it's not something
you can just like walk into, right?
You mean the oven is not big enough?
No, I mean, I spent, like, you know,
I lived in New York for a long time in Manhattan,
and so I was spoiled. So, you know, it's like whatever I can make
wouldn't qualify as pizza.
Have you tried the Unis ever, Trevor?
They're these little pizza ovens i have a friend who
got one i tried it it's like a outdoor pizza oven for like anybody can cook outdoor pizza in an oven
yeah you know i am looking into that i'm probably gonna get like a small mini pizza oven
but i have to get the most expensive one obviously so it's like it's not something i can just this
one was good it was fun was good. It was fun.
Like, I don't know.
Look into the market.
Check them out.
I mean, I almost have to get the most expensive one just to test it,
to write an official review.
You know what I mean?
And so it's not a purchase I'm ready to make, you know,
at three in the morning.
Okay, I can give you the best price on anything italian in texas
well look trevor try it out give us a review this is the most the uni is the most popular one by far
it's like kind of the the name brand of of these like portable they're only a few hundred bucks so
i don't know there might be more expensive there probably certainly are more expensive ones but
it dude it's fun you can have a little pizza party outdoors.
And, like, everybody puts their toppings on their pizzas and stuff.
It's good.
And, yeah, they taste really – I thought it was very good.
I think it's hard to cook, I think, on the wood-fired a little bit because sometimes the dough will be a little gooey.
So you don't want the dough to be too gooey, but then you also don't want it to burn.
You know what I'm saying? So there's kind of a, it's a little bit tricky, but it was fun.
Leo, you need to just go on our New York city pizza bus tour. And you can just show up. We won't tell anyone that you're there. Zach actually went, I think the first year and he had a cheat,
it was like a cheat day of the month for him.
Like he couldn't eat carbs again for over a month.
He told me about it.
Yeah, he said it was really good.
He said, you pick some good spots.
I think like New York would probably be the pizza capital of the world other than Italy, right?
Like that's probably number two.
Chicago.
If you choose United States, it's Chicago.
Yeah, but that's different than pizza.
That's deep dish kind of stuff.
Yeah, but it's interesting, and it's good for what it is.
It's not something else.
Chicago style is definitely the second place.
I mean, Detroit style is really good, too.
California style isn't a real style in my book.
And actually, Tokyo has insane pizza.
But what about Hong Kong?
Does Yann have good pizza?
Hong Kong, no.
Not so much.
Oh my God, you guys.
Of course. The best pizza is only in course, the best pizza is only in Italy.
The best pizza is only in Italy.
You guys want to make a fucking bed?
What is the best pizza?
Dude, Jan, we went to the same place in Italy, right?
I went like 10 years ago to a place in...
Shit.
Napoli.
Napoli.
Seriously, it's such a big difference man like uh of course there is good
pizza plates it places everywhere in the world for sure like you know people will try and do this
but if you want to have a real fucking pizza that is good that is light with the right right
ingredients like i was in that pizzeria in italy in in naples
and i could eat like two pizzas alone just because like it was just so fresh the ingredients like
the dough and like so it was so few ingredients and it doesn't even make you feel bad afterwards
there were like no ingredients it was just like it was like i guess olive oil dough tomatoes yeah i mean the
the the margarita right the original margarita there is nothing there's nothing on it and it's
incredible yeah yeah but it's so delicious in america they don't make pizza like that here
i'll say it right well you know the guy i I I visited the guy There right it was like, I don't know. I don't I forgot his name
But he was like some famous guy because he had some documentary about him
So we went to his pizzeria just to try it out and it wasn't even that expensive
It was like much cheaper than fucking they probably half price of what you get in Hong Kong, you know, and
Basically was so good and the guy said yeah
We even have pizzeria in the united states
and this but it's not the same because we have to like import the ingredients but it's not fresh
like you know it's it's just it's just like you know it's different so if you want to have a real
pizza good pizza go to italy guys that's the way to do it. You Articans don't know shit about pizza, I'm just saying.
I mean, the European guy is going to obviously advocate for the European country.
I mean, obviously.
Where does pizza come from, Turk?
You know?
What is the origin of pizza?
It does come from New York, actually.
I don't think so.
Yes, no, it does.
It comes from Italian-Americans americans actually are you guys able
to like talk to each other mandarin right now and i couldn't understand
i could do it well i mean if we want to debate i mean also i think actually the technically the
babylonians have like the the if you like okay let me if you if you go like all the way back
in history.
Well, tomatoes came from the US.
I mean, the first pizza is technically the margarita pizza, which is in Naples for Queen Margarita in 1886, I believe.
But, I mean, New York popularized it, let's be real.
I mean, that's for sure.
I mean, America popularizes everything, right?
Like America popularized, I don't know, avocado toast and, you know, coffee, you know, and everything. So, like, America is very good at that.
But, you know, the original origin is not U.S.
I mean, I was actually just like
I mean, I was actually just, like, thinking about it.
Thinking about it
Like, what is something
That is not a fast food
That
Is actually from America
And originates from America
And it's fucking
Like barbecue
Like brisket
Chicken biscuit
Yeah, but even steak, bro
I think even steak wasn't from the u.s i i asked
you gpt and and uh you know no barbecue dude barbecue barbecue like brisket like ribs
okay so barbecue is it is barbecue okay barbecue makes sense okay because i i did and the and the
and the hamburger right i mean cheeseburger Yeah, but that's fast food, right?
Yeah, that's fast food, right?
That's not fast food, bro.
That's not fast food.
I mean, are burritos fast food?
Dude, chicken wings aren't fast food.
You can't go to...
Okay, make sense.
Everything.
Fast food is not a type of food.
Fast food is a subsector of the food industry. That any food can be fast food. Everything. Fast food is not a type of food. Fast food is a subsector of the food industry.
That like any food can be fast food.
Yeah, but like burrito is not from the US, right?
I mean, it's from Mexico.
So like, you know.
Yeah, but I can get a burrito at Taco Bell.
So that doesn't mean it's fast food.
I mean, we do get brownie points, you know, for being on the same continent.
Yeah, but like I was actually thinking about it.
I couldn't think of many things,
you know,
and like,
I was thinking steak,
but then I,
and I searched it
and it was like,
steak is from the UK.
I don't know if it's true,
whatever,
but,
but like,
you know,
that's what it said.
And then like,
yeah,
barbecue makes sense.
I didn't check for that.
I will probably search that,
but like barbecue makes sense.
Like the,
the,
the one that we had in Nashville when we were in Nashville
It was fucking awesome. Like the barbecue is very special
Cannot really get that stuff anywhere else or at least I haven't seen it anywhere else in the world made that way
But what else guys like what else is there?
I mean, it's kind of like barbecue but like is that not enough dude? I mean, how
What did check what did czech republic
do you know what the man we we gave birth to beer you know that's the most important thing in the
world man for most of the people is that is that true did the checks invent beer i, of course. Yeah, Czechos.
It wasn't like Czech Republic that time, obviously.
That's like very, very, very, very, very many, many, many, many years ago.
But it was in the region, right?
Isn't Dracula from Czech Republic?
No, I don't think so. Is it? No, I don't think so.
Is it?
Fuck, I don't even know. I thought Transylvania was like in Slovakia or something.
Ah, I don't even know, man.
You ever had apple pie?
I think it might depend on which part of it, question mark, but I'm not 100% sure.
Man, I used to love apple pie, man.
Like, I used to love it.
I just don't eat it these days.
I don't eat any desserts like that. But, like, I used to like apple pie man like i used to love it i just don't eat it these days i don't need any any desserts like that but like i used to like it but that dude that's that's like a that's like
classic american dessert right that makes sense we we have we have like uh in europe we have we
have something we have like we call it strudel right like it's kind of like apple pie but it's
like it's in many countries in europe it's not just czech republic it's also in vienna
many countries in Europe. It's not just Czech Republic. It's also in Vienna, Austria. It's
like in many different places. And it's kind of like a European apple pie and it's fucking
delicious. I just don't eat it that much. I only eat it when I go home for some holidays or something.
I feel like in America, we don't actually get real foreign food. It's like
in the grocery store, we have products like Grey Poup gray coupon but it's not actually french it's just an american brand you know like we don't actually get the real stuff
so like we don't get actual strudel probably we just get some variation yeah probably you probably
but you you will likely have some restaurants that serve it you know because like the ingredients are
exactly the same it just looks different so uh you'll probably have some restaurants in the us especially in new york that that serve this but
yeah man you know in uh in asia like if you ask people like what what are some of the some of the
fruits that people people know that are american it's always just mcdonald's kfc uh taco bell
I really like the mofongo from Puerto Rico.
Mofongo is like probably number one.
Yeah.
Do you know, do you know Puerto Rico invented the, um, the, uh,
Pina Colada, baby.
Exactly.
I dated that I was all before where they invented it. And I had a lot of Pina colada baby exactly i've dated that i was all before where they invented it and i had
a lot of pina colada pina coladas are awesome bro that's like a huge that's like a huge export
like if anybody here's listening is not at a pina colada go to a like bar and order a pina
colada they're extremely good uh yeah they're very good
Okay, is it is the beer thing truly on or is that kind of disputed man? It's true I let me search for it. I mean obviously it wasn't you know in Czech Republic because Czech Republic is too young as a country
But but it is in the region
That's why you know all the most famous beers are from
europe right like you know it's all in the same circle like you know it's czech republic it's
germany it's belg said it's in Iraq.
What the fuck?
They said it's Iraq, bro.
They said the location where beer was invented is now within the borders.
Obviously, the borders have changed a lot, but it's now within the borders of Iraq.
Holy shit.
Okay, let me see. I mean, it's basically like ancient society.
It's like ancient Sumer.
Like, you know
let me ask gemini man maybe maybe gemini has better yeah it's it when was it like 5000 bc or it's like beers older than the pyramids and and probably dates back even further
do you guys know that Homo sapiens
have been on Earth for like 400,000
years, but only the last
like 12 to 15,000 years
is recorded in history?
Yeah, that's pretty wild.
It's all tied to
we figured out agriculture.
Yeah, and
yeah, that's what people believe.
But also the Ice Age, sort of like a warm period in the Ice Age.
But there were other previous warmer periods.
So there could have been potentially a civilization in 250,000 BC
or something like that that got wiped out or you know bro we had
neanderthals trevor that's not a fake thing those are real like we're all racist against each other
we're all basically identical genetically imagine the amount of racism if there were neanderthals
that shit would be crazy um That would be pretty wild.
Yeah, I'm looking.
Pizza was only invented 300 years ago.
That's kind of interesting.
It's like a newer thing.
Well, what are you going by?
Chat.
I mean, so like the first pizzeria is about 300 years ago. But technically like i would consider the margarita pizza the
first like the first pizza which is 1886. gotcha okay so it's really actually not it's like 150
years old but the babylonians had like flatbreads like they would cook the flatbreads on their
shields like the babylonian army or whatever like they would just put the the flatbread yeah man it's interesting so
you're right like it says some middle east but you know basically i will tell you the story guys okay
so we have in czech republic we have a city called uh budweiss and uh so the budweiser that you guys
are drinking in the fucking america was stolen there. So they basically, the guy, I think there was one guy who emigrated into the U.S.
And he basically started making beer in the U.S., but he came from Czech Republic.
And that's why you have Budweiser in the U.S.
And you have actually the original Budweiser in Czech Republic.
And they have been suing each other for a long time.
But, like, you know, they cannot really do anything.
But I believe U.S., like, because of this lawsuit and because of this thing, U.S. Budweiser cannot be sold in the Czech Republic.
So, you know, you cannot buy the U.S. Budweiser in Czech Republic.
But you can buy the original Czech one in the U.S., but obviously nobody drinks it.
Is it good? Is the Czech one good?
I mean, it's the original, like, I mean, it's completely different.
If I go to, like, a specialty beer place, will they have it? Is it, like, that popular?
Yes.
They will?
Yeah, yeah.
You will find it.
Text me the name of it.
Yeah, it's called. I will text you.
But basically, you know, I mean, depends what kind of beer you like, right?
So Budweiser is kind of watery beer.
But the Czech beer is very heavy.
And it's much stronger.
So I think Budweiser maybe is like 3.5% of alcohol.
And the original Budweiser from Czech Republic has around 5.5.
So it's much stronger.
And that's usually what the European beers are like.
That's why they're not really that popular.
They're not really mass market beers because they're more, you know, they're crazy.
You know, in terms of like you get, you drink a couple of those beers and you get fucked pretty hard.
Well, the trend is light because people don't want the calories.
Exactly.
Yeah, yeah.
We're not very good at that.
Like, yeah, like we definitely are not very good at it we're trying because obviously we know that that's like the trend the young people
want to drink light beers you do seltzers in China
is it like seltzers the no no people don't drink it people don't drink it
like it's it's kind of like you know what used to be popular everywhere like
Frisco I don't know where it comes from but Frisco was kind of like, you know what used to be popular everywhere? Like Frisco. I don't know where it comes from, but Frisco was kind of like that thing that is kind of like not a beer, but like it has some alcohol.
It tastes like lemonade.
So that like that used to be pretty popular even here.
But not much.
Like people just drink like Budweiser actually in China, bro.
Like in China, like Budweiser is pretty, the US Budweiser is visor is pretty yeah but what's the name of y'all's beer don't y'all have a beer that's kind
of like your your version of bud light uh chintao yeah the chinese chintao but yeah i've had that
like it's good i mean i think to me it tastes similar to bud visor to be honest it's kind of
it's good if you like keystone light then yeah yeah, it's great. I mean, dude, we were just...
This was a long time ago. We were just drinking water.
If you like Keystone Light, you will love
Qingqiao.
Dude, Keystone Light is literally like water.
Dude, Keystone is...
For those who aren't Americans,
Keystone is what the fraternities buy
because it's the cheapest per can.
Yeah, it's like...
What is Keystone?
What is Keystone?
What is it, US brand?
It's like Bud Light, but cheaper.
It's like you can't afford Bud Light,
so you go with Keystone Light.
Like, literally.
Like, literally, that's what it is.
Like, you can't afford Bud Light.
Like, it's like if, like, if, like, for you, like like a splurging is like buying cores light then
you probably drink keystone light most of the time
okay i've never had it in my life so i don't know what it is
yeah yeah you don't do america for vegas right
yes probably yeah trevor buy him a Keystone Light.
No, it's not like that.
It's really not like that.
It's not like, I mean, you go to China,
you got to have a Qing Tao. That's just like,
you know, disrespectful if you don't.
You know what I mean?
Qing Tao is more like, in reputation, a Budweiser.
But taste-wise, it's more like
a Keystone Light.
Okay, I'm finding you the the boudoir the the real Budweiser man from Czech
Republic man I'm gonna send it to you and you need to buy one just go order
one online or buy one I'm gonna have to yeah I'm gonna have to go find a place
to buy it I'm sure there's like a man you can 100% you will be able to buy it online I just don't know they have bunch of beers I mean yeah I will
send you the website so that you know you know how it looks but I don't know
you can't even buy it in China like I can buy it in China just nobody drinks
it because it's too heavy of a beer it's not really the beer that you just drink out of with friends because
you drink like three of these and you're like you're already like dipsy you know
yann have you been to germany and been like to hofbrahaus or some of those places
yeah of course i've been they have good dude their beer is really good
there like that's some of the best beer in my opinion.
It's good.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, Germans, like, it's, I told you, it's all in the region because, you know, it's because of the ingredients.
It's the same, like, it's the same thing, like, what we discussed with the Italian pizza.
Like, you know, the pizza tastes different in Napoli because they use the local tomatoes and everything and they grow it there.
And it's
Specifically kind of for that and so in the in Czech Republic, it's the mozzarella
It's the cheese actually tomatoes come from North tomatoes come from North America
but even in New York they import them the cheese from from
From Naples from Italy but follow but follow mozzarella
Yeah, exactly. So like you have the local ingredients and in Czech Republic what is that thing that
you need to brew the beer what is it called hops yeah yep hops yeast and yeah
and so that's like in in Czech Republic we have a very famous like like a
location where it's known for to grow this and
it's very famous for it in germany they have as well and so that's why like the european beers
are are really good and they have a lot of specialty beers micro breweries and everything
because they have the best ingredients locally you know so
it's because of that i just sent you man uh leo i sent you a dm with the with
the website you check it and you try it you tell me if you like it i mean many people don't like it
dude i'll try it i'll try it and report back i want to dude i want to bring uh
glory to your home country on we got to pay homage to some of the original beers.
How old is the brand?
I mean, this one, this brewery, it's like, you know, this specific brewery, it's like, I don't know, 150 years.
But, you know, the culture of like brewing beers, of course, is much longer.
But yeah, it's cool.
It's cool.
If you ever go to Czech Republic, you should definitely even visit this.
It's a city.
It's an actual city.
The beer is named after the city.
And they have a brewery, and it's pretty cool.
You can actually visit it even.
And you can go to the brewery, and you can test all of those beers.
It's a pretty cool experience.
Do you guys have either in Czech Republic or China,
like a fascination with craft brewery over the last like 20 years where it's
like, there's just brewery everywhere.
So China, not so much,
because I think people just don't like these kinds of beers in China.
They just drink Chintau or Budweiser.
And there are some micro breweries. Yes. Like I had some foreign friends that were running a business and stuff
like that, but it never was really that popular. What is getting somewhat popular now is kombucha,
which I think is crazy popular in the US for a long time, but it's kind of similar process,
right? It's not brewing, but it's fermentation. And so that's becoming a little bit more popular here in Asia, I would say.
But in Czech Republic and in Europe, yes, you have a lot of like microbreweries.
And like that's super popular for many, many years, probably for a decade already.
All right.
Okay, well well very cool um anybody have any final topics they want to share cynthia grog grog nuke you guys have any other topics leo leo leo grog is fine and by the way
good morning good afternoon and good evening my Earthikins and Yomas.
Why do I feel like I know who Grog is, but I don't recognize their voice?
I'm trying to figure it out as well. This has to be someone we know.
He's according to his bio, he's the inventor of BTC, so that's how you know him.
Exactly.
Wow, Satoshi?
No, no, no, no, no.
You see, I crash landed on Earth a while ago, and I was in a bar.
What's a while to you?
Sorry, what's a while to you?
I just want to, like, in Earth, you know, in our years here for humans, just curious.
I wanted to kind of, like, get us on the same page here.
About 600 or 700.
Okay, I mean, that's, for us, the same page here. About six or 700. Okay.
I mean, that's for us.
That's a little bit more than a while, but I understand completely.
Please continue.
I'm so excited to hear this.
Yeah.
So I'm in a bar and this guy is just talking about inflation.
I'm just like, hey, we have these things called energy credits in the galaxy.
And just kind of started explaining to him.
And I don't know, like two or three years ago later,
he's like, there's the whole Bitcoin thing.
Anyways, anyways, I brought Bitcoin to Earth.
I'm going to do a test right now, Cynthia, to see if it's decentralized.
Grog, what do you think about big blocks
versus tiny blocks?
I don't fucking know, dude.
What you
are thinking is you're doing with your energy
crit. It's fucking wild, bro.
Okay, it's not
decentralized. It does sound like
it's the RFK guy, potentially.
That or the hooked on Rooney's
guy. One of those two. Dude, I or the hooked on Rooney's guy.
One of those two.
Dude, I missed that hooked on Rooney's guy.
I don't know who it was to this day.
I literally have no idea.
But they did a great job.
I agree.
All right.
Cynthia, no major topics.
You don't want to discuss with Elon anymore? You don't want to get defensive about Elon anymore?
We can talk about Elon if you want to talk about Elon.
So what have you been replying to Elon about?
Like, what's the conversation with Elon today?
You know what?
I just see the tweet.
I don't remember.
Like I said, I didn't sleep last night either.
So I just saw the tweet, and I'm just, like, agreeing with him, replying,
or giving, you know, posting, like, a kind of vague gif. So, you know, that's all.
Why did you not sleep last night?
You know what? It just was an accident. I was just up. I was working on some art and I was,
you know, tweeting a bit and it just kind of, you know, just kind of happened like that.
Just an accident. Are you meaning to tell me that you have stayed up for 36 hours in order to listen to the Ordinal show?
I wouldn't say 36 hours, but, you know, in the time I've been up, it would have been like a normal time to sleep.
Yeah, normally you would sleep in that span of hours that I would have been up.
Cynthia's dedication is a lot greater than Jan's, is all i'm gonna say as a speaker bro why why do you talk to you know and yawn okay you know you know what could be swaps that we made
okay in 2026 i suggest i suggest i suggest that we move the time of the show so that it doesn't
start midnight my time because you guys in the u.s dude literally every time is midnight no matter what time we pick yawn's like it's the
middle of the night whether it's our morning our evening yawn's like it's the middle of the night
you know we can oh today is great today and then we move it we move that we move it all around we
do this whole thing most shows i don't know if you guys know, but most shows, when they're twice a week, have it at the same time.
We have coordinated around Jan's special little schedule for two and a half years, okay,
so that he can get his little schedule correct.
And he still complains to us.
Around my fucking schedule.
This guy.
Every time we pick, he says, you know, trust me, this is what will happen we'll pick some other
time then y'all and we'll be like i'm traveling i my sleep's messed up i'm traveling right now
it's the middle of the night for me what what time would you propose john man the time that
we have today is amazing because it's like oh you like you like, you like 6.30? It's 6.30, 7.30 a.m. my time.
I like it because I can wake up early.
I can wake up early and I have the whole day ahead of me.
Okay.
I mean, Jan starts his day at like 4 a.m. So I understand, you know, why midnight is late for him
because he has to run like a 5K every day at 4 a.m.
Yeah, I love how Jan says, guys, I'm not able to do very much right now
because my shoulder, all I can do is run a marathon twice a week.
I imagine you do a lot of cardio like i imagine jan's like his legs are
jacked from the past month of all the cardio he's doing and cardio is great man cardio is so good
for you but you shouldn't do too much of it actually you know i uh i've been listening you
know and if you do too much cardio it's not good for a testosterone man it's not good for you jan listens to the bodybuilders you tell them don't do cardio because it'll hurt your gains no it's
not bodybuilders it's the it's the longevity experts you know jan we actually want to know
be honest do you take supplements people want to know what supplements are you on others we know
you take creatine yeah i, I only take that.
I only take creatine.
You don't take any other – you don't take a multivitamin.
Of course I do.
I have multivitamin.
This is what I'm saying.
You are telling us what your supplements are.
So you do creatine, you do a multivitamin, and –
So, I mean, it depends.
In the multivitamin, like, there is everything right there is like uh i will also take a little bit extra magnesium
and zinc and you know stuff like that before i go to bed so but that's also kind of part of the
multivitamin so it's just like different and then i will have fish oil obviously fish oil i take
vitamin d that's not in the multivitamin so vitamin d and then uh you know sometimes ashwagandha
stuff like that you know i don't know if it really helps but i just take it from time to time
and then from time to time also like have some like what is that like the the curcumin
and like some of the ginger extract and stuff like that. And that's probably it.
Like, you know, basically I take like the Brian Johnson blueprint.
So like whatever he has, he has like five or four different supplements
that include like a bunch of this stuff.
So I take those and, and yeah,
then just creatine and some protein collagen and and that's it
everything else like try to eat from from other foods you know we talked about
this like a year ago L-theanine are you still doing that or did you stop it's
part of the what is that L-theanine that's part of my you know I think it's
included in the magnesium thing that I take let me check yeah I take this magnesium before bed yeah it has healthy
any relaxation and sleep so I take and you don't do caffeine you're not a
coffee drinker you don't drink soda I don't do much caffeine I I only do max
like one coffee in the morning or matcha
you know depends how i feel uh but like past three days i didn't have any coffee because like my
stomach was not feeling super well so so i didn't have any coffee so i don't really do much coffee
okay no pre-workout no pre-workout no you do way afterwards uh no uh I don't because I have enough protein during the day.
I don't want to overeat protein, you know.
Trevor, he seems pretty clean to me.
He's much cleaner than I thought.
I don't overeat protein because, you know, I do blood testing every six months.
And, like, sometimes, like, if you overeat overeat protein like some of the markers will be
a little bit elevated right uh and so it's not good for your i guess it's not good for your liver
or something if you eat way too much protein that you actually need so because i'm not trying to
become a bodybuilder i just try to maintain so i i shoot for like 150 grams of protein per day and i usually get that just from uh three meals and and maybe like a snack
uh so i don't have whey protein shakes anymore
okay yeah so when you're working out you're just trying to maintain muscle
you're not trying to build new muscle i guess yeah just maintaining yeah yeah maintaining and uh and just uh yeah i'm not really trying to gain i just wanna i just wanna feel good you know
i just wanna feel good and be good um do you did you feel that the body dysmorphia thing was real
whereas you got stronger you'd look in the mirror and you'd still feel not strong enough and then
you would need to get stronger and stronger. Is that a real thing?
Of course it's a real thing.
Of course, but I kind of like stopped caring at some point because like really, you know, you realize like a like a simple thing, right?
Like unless you really devote everything to it, like it's so hard to make progress after a certain time.
So like if you're just getting started, if you're working out, you can make progress pretty quickly, especially if you start eating super healthy.
And if you really start paying attention to these details, like you can make progress within six months.
You know, you can feel like a completely different person.
But then if you like work out for like three years, you know, you cannot really make that much progress unless you push yourself crazy hard. Like, obviously like if you, you know,
work out harder,
if you like,
you know,
eat extra protein and all of these things, but like things become like pretty tiring very quickly.
So I don't do that,
man.
I mean,
I respect people that do because it takes a lot of effort.
but,
but yeah,
I don't,
I don't try to be the,
the bodybuilder influencer, you know? All right. All right. Jan, I, I, I don't, I don't try to be the, the bodybuilder influencer,
you know?
All right.
All right.
Yeah.
I'm going to ask a question.
You can just not answer if you don't want to, but feel free to answer and be honest.
Have you ever done the thing where you cut for like four weeks?
Okay.
And then you go, you go, you go do like, uh, you know, a hundred pushups and some bicep curls and then you
oil up your body and stand in front of the mirror.
Be honest.
What are you doing over there, man?
Dude, that's what bodybuilding is.
Dude, I can confirm.
I was looking for Jan at
Bitcoin Asia,
the Bitcoin Summit, and he
told me that he was behind stage.
I go back there and he was in a speedo oiled up spray on tan posing dude i feel like you've done that once yon you can admit
it i've never fucking done it bro never why would i do it man you know you've never even tried to do
that dude what if you're what if you're like the next Arnold, but you haven't done the cutting? Man, it's like a fucking worst experience.
Like, even the cutting.
Why would you do that for four weeks?
Aren't you, like, from the same genetics as Arnold?
Dude, they're cousins, bro.
They're, like, he's...
Probably close.
Probably close.
I don't know.
Where was he born?
Which city in Germany was he born?
He's from Austria.
Or even closer.
Austria is like 30 minutes drive from where I live.
So we're pretty close.
See, I told you cousins.
And everybody's cousins in those small, like, you know, Austrian, Czech, you know, villages.
Like, everybody knows each other.
They're all cousins.
Could be. Could be, be could be could be okay so that we got to know we got to know that
eon's never done that have you ever thought about entering a bodybuilding competition
no man i don't do it for bodybuilding man i'm not a bodybuilder bro i wish i was i'm not that big
i'm not that big guys i'm not that dude i mean do you
know how many people like aspire to be bodybuilders that never even get close to you and they're like
in the mirror doing that kind of shit and then you actually have achieved it and then you don't do it
man you realize it would not no one would actually judge you if i haven't it wouldn't be that weird
i haven't achieved shit man what are you talking about i haven't achieved shit man. What are you talking about? I haven't achieved shit Yeah, I have pretty big legs your genetics man
Are you do you like look at do you like look at photos of polymath and you're like shit?
I got a work to do man like polymath come on like that guy's like three times bigger than me
Okay, like what the fuck man. You cannot even compare me to polymath like polymath like when I stand next to him
Like, you know, it's a it's a whole different
mass have you actually stood next to poly of course yeah yeah i met him a few times i feel
did you guys both like puff out your chest when you walk next to each other no
is it like that show on discovery channel where the birds puff their chest out when they walk near each other. This guy.
But, Jan, I believe,
based on my observations, at the very least, you probably
have more metaphorical mass
than he does.
What does that mean?
I don't get it.
I mean that in a good way, like internally,
in terms of
his integrity and that kind of thing and the way he treats other people.
The way Jan treats other people, that is.
You're saying that Polymath is a much better person than Jan.
Oh, my God.
I mean, I didn't want to say it.
I didn't say it.
You said it, Leo.
Should we bring Polymath back?
Should we do the Polymath interview?
Everybody's been saying Ordinal Show is boring.
Ordinal Show is cooked. They don't have good good content anymore do we need to bring back a big
interview and maybe that's maybe we do the polymath interview we we fly jan out to vegas and
go to the polymath hair salon that he owns and you know sits sits in a chair with, has two chairs in the back,
and Jan sits down and asks him some really pointed questions.
That would probably do well, right?
Yeah, absolutely, dude.
That's the best idea we've had probably in one year on this show.
Like, can everybody just pause for a second?
We could easily get, like, the money for the plane flight
and the hotel for Jan to do it.
Like, I would easily pay $1,000 to see that interview.
Jan's sitting there in the hair salon that Polly Math owns.
Dude, this has to be, I mean.
You have to send me instead.
And then Polly Math has to speak to a woman, and it's going to be very confounding.
Cynthia, should he be like the guys on uh like the Nick Shirley style content where
Yon shows up and act like where where's all the people getting their hair cut um where where's
all the luxuries yeah exactly I mean it could you never know I don't know I uh dude like there
should be like a documentary the The place, the salon.
Does anyone know which salon it is?
Can we look it up on Google and Yelp and all that?
Looking back, it was a top signal when Good Things and Polymath launched a multi-million dollar ordinal collection called Luxury Ordinal.
There is no top signal greater than that top signal.
Okay. Like that was a, there is no top signal greater than that top signal. Um, okay.
I mean, I think, I don't think we were, I don't think we were near the top then though. I think we were kind of like already halfway, you know, halfway.
What?
Like we ran a little longer?
No, I think, I think we had peaked way before that.
Right.
Well, so it was, it was, so the, I remember the six month anniversary is like middle of October.
So November, December, January, February, March, April.
So it would be like, it would be like right before.
That was last year.
Like the top, the top was pre-runes.
Okay.
The top.
Oh, you're right.
I was thinking for some reason I was thinking 2024, but yeah, you're right.
This was okay.
You're right.
This was not a year. This was like bottom signal bickering you're right my bad i totally messed
my time frame the years are blending together we're such ogs that we don't remember the years
anymore guys no but it should have been it should have been a sign that there was a ways to fall
still and um yeah someone should do like a documentary like like called like finding good
things or something like that where like they actually go find where good things is and check on his mental health.
I mean, he's still on Twitter. We can just go find him. He blocks me, but I can find him still.
Because Elon lets you see what the people that block you.
I have an idea. Why don't you approach each of them separately, right?
And be like, hey,
I'd love to do an interview. We'd love to do an interview with you on this day, right? And you
bring them both on the same day, right? And it's like a reunion. And you just never know. We don't
know what's going to happen when they both show up and they see each other, right? If only it
were in person, we could just see
and feel the energy, but I'm sure it'll
be palpable in here anyway. So,
I think get them both in here
and that will be an interesting
episode, I think.
The problem is if it's not in person,
then the other one shows up.
If they both show up to their interview
on the Ordinal Show, they're just going to leave.
Well, we know Polymath will stay.
Yep.
Okay, interesting.
Since, you know, he would not leave until you left.
That was amazing.
I'm looking at all of Good Things content.
Yeah, he's just talking about, like, AI stuff.
He's not even, like, doing much about credit. He's talking talking about AI stuff. He's not even doing much about crypto.
He's talking about Zcash.
Didn't Zcash rug or something the other day?
I'm not a Zcash holder.
I think there was a big drop.
I'm not either, but I just saw stuff on the timeline
where there was some kind of division.
I think there was a division between the founders of Zcash.
Well, yeah, there's Zuko.
Zuko is not involved.
There's a new company that basically CTOed Zcash.
That's what's going on.
They hired market makers.
They pumped a bunch.
They made privacy cool again, I think,
which is a pretty awesome thing, though.
Yeah, good thing.
I guess they were the sacrificial lamb.
Good thing has had his, like,
I feel like he just kind of broke.
Like, I see all these posts he's making.
It's kind of sad. Like, usually see all these posts he's making. It's kind of sad.
Like, usually people pivot to something else when they crash out.
He's just, like, angry at the world on Twitter.
Yeah.
There's not a whole lot.
He's not that active either.
He posts, like, once a week.
Interesting. Interesting. He's tweeting about soybeans monad i don't know i don't know there's honestly not that much interesting to talk about
he's not a well it's good i haven't tweeted about soybeans yet so that's um at least that's a new
idea for me thank you well i think okay so the theory was with soybeans was that it's going to be like the next silver.
It's going to like be very speculative.
I don't think it happened, but people thought it would.
Maybe not yet.
All right.
Okay, guys, look, I think that's probably it.
I think that's probably it. I think that's the show we've been going for four and a half hours and we're coming towards the natural end of the show.
We appreciate everyone who stuck around this.
We're going to go around the horn one final time and see if anybody has something to say
before we end.
We'll start with the, uh, leaf loyal person to the show,
Jan.
Jan, would you like to say anything?
I love you guys.
Have a great day.
Have a great night.
Have a great afternoon.
And I will see you soon.
Wow, now he loves us.
Cynthia, what would you like to say?
It's been a lovely episode here with all of you guys.
And, you know, we're going to reconvene in 55 minutes for the Mystery Zone with Cynthia.
And, of course, everyone is cordially and officially invited to that episode.
I think it is episode 490.
490 sounds right.
Maybe 491.
But either way, everyone is invited.
Starts in 54 minutes.
So thanks, everyone, for coming.
And we'll see you guys then and later this week and on Monday here for the Ordinal Show again at 10.30 a.m. Eastern Standard Time.
Look at that beautiful audience, the best of the best out there.
Shout out to everyone for joining us.
Awesome. Great, great ending there, Cynthia. Thank you.
Grog, you got something you want to say?
Don't trust your government, I guess.
Yeah, sure, we'll go with that.
All right.
T.O., final word to you.
You be good, guys. See you next week. We love you all.
Awesome. Awesome.
And on that note, we're going to end the Ordinal show for this evening.
We hope everyone has a great weekend.
We appreciate Jan for being such a trooper.
And we actually do very much appreciate Jan. the shows we get yon we're very
happy that he's here so thank you yon for the shows that you do attend and yeah guys we'll see
y'all on monday peace
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This is actually like a pretty bad issue.
Shoulders are horrible.
No, man, like it's the weirdest injury, right?
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