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The Ordinal Show
Recorded: Jan. 12, 2026 Duration: 1:34:00Space Recording
Short Summary
Crypto Twitter faces a significant decline in engagement due to recent algorithm changes, sparking frustration among users. The community is calling for transparency and better content strategies as they adapt to these shifts, with hopes for an open-source algorithm that could restore visibility and trust.
Full Transcription
Music Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. yo what's up to you how's it going man gmgm how's it going
yeah man i'm good we gotta put a missing poster out for our co-hosts. But other than that, doing well.
We need a missing person poster, yeah.
Yeah, man.
We need to get everyone to post them outside of, like, every Jamba Juice,
every Sweet Greens, and every Equinox gym in all major cities for Jan.
Exactly.
We need a full global search.
We're missing our very strong Brian Johnson loving co-host.
But I don't know.
Yeah, we'll get Jan back on Wednesday, hopefully.
So, look, we should talk about this.
You were a little bit early to this conversation, actually.
I'm sure you probably know what I'm going to say.
But there's been this kind of like crypto Twitter algorithm apocalypse over the past couple days, people seem to be very, very upset at Nikita
and believe that the crypto Twitter algorithm is kind of screwed up.
I mean, it is.
It definitely is more than the market just sucking right now.
There's definitely...
Crypto Twitter has been deprioritized.
I think for
I mean
obviously bots
are a big problem on X and
the crypto
not crypto Twitter or any of the individuals but
we got some scammers
in our industry that they
use bots to socially
engineer fake metrics and this kind of thing.
And obviously it's,
that's what X has been focused on trying to reduce partially.
I think also people just feel like Nikita Beer,
the new product manager at X is like,
he was in crypto for a while, right?
Like he was like an advisor to Solana.
So people feel a little bit betrayed probably also because it seems like he
really doesn't give a fuck about, about crypto,
but he is happy to take like a advisory role or a paycheck from the industry,
but then actually probably looks down on,
I think there's like some of the sentiments that people are feeling.
And it's definitely true that this space has been nerfed.
But yeah, that was the whole, what was it?
Was it Friday?
Was it Thursday?
I don't know.
But it was tailing to last week, a big stuff in the timeline.
And we saw Nikita get dragged by CT.
That's always the, like, CT is the most ruthless group of people when you do something to piss them off.
So it's kind of funny to watch.
I don't necessarily feel a little bit bad for him, but I totally feel bad for him.
But it looks like we're going to have some Elon said, like even Elon responded to this, right?
So maybe we should recap. I don't know if I'm Elon responded to this, right? So we should recap.
I don't know if I'm talking to people's heads here,
but we should recap a little bit what happened.
No, I agree.
Let's, yeah, let's roll it back a couple of days.
So I think, yeah, maybe like Thursday or Friday.
I can go find it.
I don't know.
It's so hard to find it because probably Nikita tweets a lot.
But Nikita, I think he actually deleted it.
He deleted it.
Yeah, he deleted it.
Also another rookie mistake.
I don't know what.
Yeah, I don't know what he's thinking, bro.
But he basically tweeted out in reply to someone who was asking,
why is the crypto Twitter algorithm nerfed?
And his reply was basically,
he's being kind of snarky and like it's intentional.
It's what gets engagement on X.
He knows how to get engagement clearly.
He essentially told the guy that,
yeah, the crypto Twitter algorithm does get nerfed because we made a change to the algorithm recently
where we can't show you very much.
We can't show your followers very many things that you post.
And when crypto Twitter is just like basically replying GM and reply guy constantly,
when you post a real piece of content or a big announcement,
there's like no extra juice in your daily post
left to spread that to people.
So of course it gets a little engagement.
Which I don't fully think that's the reason.
And there was a lot of backlash to that.
The other thing is he's definitely not being fully honest as well.
You can't fool CT.
We have the most autistic,
the most like chronically online,
like the best bullshit sniffers of any industry because you can't survive in
this space.
If you can't smell bullshit.
And also like,
even if you can't,
like if you fall for a scam where like there's one character missing in a
URL,
like you're out, you know what I mean? Like you, you get where, like, there's one character missing in a URL, like, you're out.
You know what I mean?
Like, you get drained.
If, like, there's one character, like, you go to OpenSea.iz instead of IO or whatever, like, or IA or, you know, some other thing.
Like, a tiny, like, people in CT are uniquely perceptive.
And he's definitely not being totally honest.
He deleted his post.
He did a lot of things that he shouldn't have.
And it's not...
I mean, there's some truth in what he's saying
that, yes, we do...
Obviously, CT has a lot of spammers.
And that's...
Don't feel bad for X on having to deal with that.
But first, what he did was he said that, you know,
he kind of blamed CT with that like thing,
but it was an excuse.
It also wasn't true because that made part of it,
but that's not the whole answer.
It doesn't seem like he's being totally honest.
And then he said that it's the XAI team that does the algo and not him,
which also isn't totally true.
So, yeah, I mean, honestly, he kind of got off easy, I think, overall,
when you think about the situation in terms of, you know,
I don't think, like, he cares that much probably because, again,
there's a perception that he kind of, like, looks down on CT a bit,
even though he's taking money from Solana and whatnot.
But yeah, I mean, we have to think about what we're going to do about this
because yeah, I mean,
I mean, we shouldn't be siloing ourselves into X only anyway as an industry.
Like I think if anything,
we need to broaden our horizons
we need to broaden our horizons onto other social media platforms,
to other social media platforms
which is tricky because X has been
typically the main
free speech
the main one that allows
a lot of crypto content and didn't penalize it
whereas every single social media platform does
and every single social media platform
kind of takes the easy way out
every social media platform
is quickly
banning accounts and shadow banning accounts for posting about crypto because, you know, they're not going to they don't they're not willing to deal with the problem that this industry presents.
Aside from all the good things that we bring and, you know, we're one of the most active communities on X.
We have one of the most engaged audiences.
We pay for the product.
We are the most engaged audience on X.
Yeah.
We are the expat.
Like we, Trevor, you and I use this product
more than Nikita over the past three or four years.
That's just a fact.
Yeah.
We know this app better than he does.
Like, that's just a fact.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean, we bring a lot to the table,
but you know what I'm saying just the other
social platforms are not are a lot harder to grow on and to um find a community in terms of the
crypto community but it's something that we have we have to do anyway like we can't style ourselves
forever on x and keep you know talking among each other all the time. We have to like mature as an industry and branch out into more people to onboard them.
So, you know, but, you know, it sucks.
I mean, I just don't think that things are going to turn back around.
Like, you know, as long as Nikita's, I think people probably feel and probably still like
as long as Nikita's in his role as PM and he's not someone that really, like, he kind of views crypto Twitter as an annoyance, right?
That's not good, right?
For, like, there's people, you know, and there's, like, picks on chain, you know, picks on chain, Leo.
Like, it was funny, at the end of the December, like, he was just like, I'm out of here, guys.
Engagement is dead.
And it's not
just the market
itself anymore.
There's kind of a shift that out of the algo is being
done. And so, not really
clear what we're going to do. I mean, Leo, do you have any thoughts?
I mean, I think he was intentionally trying to antagonize crypto Twitter.
Like, I think, I don't think that, I don't even think he was like with that GM reply thing.
I don't even think he believes that that's fully what's going on.
I think he's, I think he's, you know, he likes to get engagement and pissing off crypto twitter
it's a great way to do that and i think he did it on purpose and he knew he would get well he likes
to he likes to kind of like dunk on people for uh yeah like i don't think he was trying to get
engagement i think he probably regrets probably regrets getting dragged like that.
He didn't realize people would actually come out with pitch books.
He just thought it would be another little edgy post he would make
that would be this big engagement fun post that he does.
And instead, it was like, actually, no, you didn't come off like Zach XVT,
who does these great roasts of these scammers and replies, right?
You came off as, like, the asshole who runs the algorithm,
who's, like, basically just ignoring the question that everyone's asking.
It's like, at least take the question seriously
and give us a somewhat thoughtful response.
It's not that hard to do.
Yeah, he came across as very
disingenuous, basically.
Because, again, I think if he was
never an advisor to Solana Foundation,
if he didn't do the interview on Leap Space
pretended like he
gave a shit about crypto
and then to get the position, then to
nerf everybody's account and then to lie about it
or to not be told, like to tell a half lie about it,
which is sometimes is worse than a full fallen lie, you know, than just to deny it altogether.
Yeah, people are pissed and the market is down and engagement is down.
Engagement has taken a hit that like i think people could survive normally like and and
can can survive like the pain of like how little liquidity there is as long as like they get like
that pat on the back from all their friends you know when you make posts and you get engagement
it's like hey if i'm if i'm gonna be poor at least i'm poor with a bunch of my friends
kind of thing but then when you take both away, it's like, yeah, people are not happy.
And so Elon's going to come up with, I think he said this week.
Do we know is Elon's post going to be what the algo going to be today?
Bro, I can't find posts from Elon either.
He posts too often.
If I go to his page and scroll, I have to scroll for like two minutes to find that post.
But very soon, he said,
probably in the next week or so, yeah.
I mean, Elon responded,
which is a big deal to this, right?
Like, I don't think that was...
I think that was from all the reactions
from crypto Twitter.
I don't think that was from some other industry, right?
Well, obviously, yeah.
I think it's like, look, Elon seems to be hyper aware of what's happening on this app somehow.
And he knows that people, he knows that his town square had a little protest of some people upset about the algorithm.
And he's always been hyper.
Like, it's almost like he's uh the
algorithm something he very much cares about i actually think like he's tweeted about the
algorithm constantly forever and i think he does want to get it right my so i have a slightly
different theory on what's going on here i don't think it has to do with like the bots on crypto
twitter maybe it's true but i think the bots are everywhere um i think this app just has fucking bots everywhere um i i and i also don't think they're like specifically de-boosting crypto
twitter i think they just swapped the algo out completely to a tiktok style algorithm or
which is less focused on a community and more focused on like bigger the whole app sees stuff
and i think that's like mostly what it is.
So it's like the way I'll like describe,
and this is what I feel, by the way, to be clear.
I don't know if it's, I'm correct or not.
It's just what I intuitively feel.
If I post like a bad post, right?
That is just not that great of a post
because I have a certain amount of followers
and I only did one post that day, I can pretty
reliably say that's going to get out and I'm going to get 20,000 impressions on it. Okay.
But with the new algorithm, maybe it's like, if I do a bad post, it's only going to give
5,000 impressions because even though all my followers follow me, it's not going to get shown
to them because the new algo doesn't care about your community and your followers and stuff as much.
It's more about just pushing content that it thinks will go mega viral.
Instead of seeing the bad posts I made that day, they're going to see some thing Elon tweeted or some political stuff or whatever, right?
And that's what I see personally coming into my timeline, which I'm constantly clicking on and saying not interested.
But it's also just what I think is happening in the people who follow me.
I don't think they're getting my posts when they're not as interesting.
And I don't think it's just, oh bad post good posting i think crypto twitter
right now doesn't have momentum like i don't think anything super crazy has happened in the past
months right that's like the entire world needs to hear about like the entire crypto twitter needs
has a topic that needs to get pushed into
the mainstream of all of twitter and i think that kind of hurts us it kind of knows that
and i i noticed that like dog pumped really hard uh from like 90 to 150 in like a three-day period
during that whole period uh dog and still a bit Dog was like fervently on my timeline.
I didn't have to do the not.
Like the algorithm picked up that there's something kind of like momentarily viral going on.
And then like you're okay.
So this is my theory.
That when crypto comes back, this algorithm will actually favor us.
It'll push you harder if your coin is like
really, really hot in the topic. It'll actually push you to even more people than it did before.
But when crypto Twitter or anything on this app is not quite as viral, it doesn't push yet. So
I think it's like an accelerant to the most viral things it's favoring the most viral things it cares less about your followers less about your community but will pour fuel on
any post that has some sort of like really hot topic very extreme level of intensity the same
way that TikTok has and like famously TikTok's algorithm worked really well uh at at making things go viral but
also people complained that you know it boosted them for the first month they had their account
and gave them a little taste of virality and then it stopped doing that even though they built up
millions of followers they were getting like no likes on their tiktok videos because the algorithm
wasn't showing and it didn't matter that you would build up a following. So I think they're just swapping out a TikTok style algorithm into X.
And what's unfortunate about that is like X has always, to me, been about community.
You can like these filter bubbles and niches are a feature of this app, right?
I'm here for one purpose only, which is crypto Twitter.
I don't care if there's a viral post of some, you know, cat doing
something funny that it would be entertaining for me to look at. I don't want to see that because
that's not why I'm here. There's other apps that do that a lot better than X in my opinion. So
that that's my take here. I hope I hope this algorithm being open sourced sort of clears
things up a little bit but my thought is like
we need to find ways to have like extremely viral content or like be talking about something that
the algorithm really likes that moment i think that's how you break this um i don't know like
what to do other than that it's like we have to just up our content game because I think if you do get a great piece of content,
it'll actually go further than it used to go.
Yeah, I mean, I think people, you know,
one of the common feedbacks that people were saying
is that like, well, they're like, I just want, you know,
they're like, people feel ownership over their followers, right?
And they're like, I just want my followers to see my content.
It's like kind of a very simple idea. But at the same time, I think people have to understand it's not
really how social networks work or are being designed anymore. Like to a large extent, the
follower account is on any platform. I mean, people are saying that Instagram, for example,
probably shows more of your content to your actual followers consistently. So like building that base of followers does help.
But other than like you said,
like without viral content or whatever,
what the algo does is it sort of A-B tests.
It shows your content to like a few of your followers.
And then if it gets engagement,
shows it to more and more people, right?
Yeah, I just don't know that social networks
are going to go back to that,
like that level of simplicity.
I think every social network,
the follower count is becoming more like a vanity metric
and is starting to have like no basis
on the actual reach that you're going to get.
And I don't know.
I think you're right.
Yeah, we've got to create better content, but the same token or time,
I do think that crypto content specifically is being de-boosted
because we posted the same content for a year.
I mean, since the same content for like a year you know i mean since the beginning
of like for all 2025 like we've been posting this like rehashing the same content you know like
uh in terms of just like the daily gm posts the daily you know let you know let's go pizza
ninja let's go dog army posts uh and they're definitely just not getting the reach that they
were before so i don't think it's simply um like our content isn't good or the market's not good.
We've been here for several years now.
We've gone through the ups and downs.
We can kind of get a good sense of how the liquidity in the market and just the interest in general affects engagement.
how the liquidity in the market and just the interest in general affects
engagement. And this feels like, uh,
more significant than that by a factor of like two or three.
Yeah. I'm still not totally bought into the idea that we're getting deep
boosted. It's more like,
I feel like if you just said a good morning post from any,
maybe if you're like on football Twitter, right.
You might not get shown as much either, right? It's like your local community is like the filter bubble that you were in.
And I felt like I was in a filter bubble for a very long time of crypto Twitter.
And it has all of a sudden, like specifically what I feel is that filter bubble is not what I'm being shown.
It's trying to show me other stuff outside of crypto Twitter.
But I've been very, very clear with all my preferences that I want crypto Twitter.
So it's just like I imagine and I don't know, we'd have to talk to somebody who
is outside of crypto Twitter, Trevor. But I would imagine probably somebody who just
watches football content on this app and they only watch, maybe this is where like they're,
content on this app and they only watch, maybe this is where like they're, uh, you know,
you're like a Patriots fan and there's a group of like Patriots people and you follow all the
Patriots accounts, right. And you see all their posts. I would imagine that that person who's a
Patriots community member on expert, that's when they log into X, they just see Patriots stuff.
All of a sudden in the past couple of months, my guess is that they're all of a sudden seeing a lot more random stuff from like outside of Patriots.
I think they're just nuking the community filter bubble in this app.
I would love for this algorithm to come out and we find out that they're somehow doing
something specific against financial stuff or something like that.
That would be quite satisfying.
I just feel like we're not going to get
that moment uh when they open source this stuff but it would it would certainly be quite the uh
conspiracy theory reveal if somehow in the algorithm because i mean it's i'm sure very long
if somebody breaks down and finds out that they're deboosting us somehow. So also you don't really know, like now that we're in an age of AI,
it's kind of like if they publish the algorithm, like what does that really do?
Maybe the AI is like biased against crypto Twitter.
You know what I'm saying, Trevor?
Like they can't really explain why the LLM tells you what it tells you.
So maybe the AI just hates crypto Twitter.
It thinks we're scammers.
And like the people engineering it can't fully understand that that's what they are.
Maybe that's what's going on.
Did you see Nikita tried to save face though?
He put a tweet out about smart cash tags.
I don't know if that was planned or what the deal was.
No, what did he say?
So this was kind of the final, the cherry on top of all this is in a little bit of an effort to get into crypto Twitter's good graces.
He tweeted, I'll find it.
He tweeted that he is, hang on.
yeah, he is working on smart cash tags.
Yeah, he is working on smart cash tags.
So basically every, and just a cash tag is like the dollar sign
and then like BTC or DOG or pizza or whatever it is.
Like any token can basically have a kind of ticker
that you can tweet out with the dollar sign in front
and then it's blue.
Currently when you tap on it, it just takes you to the search tab uh i think by latest right and then now smart
cash tags are gonna take you to like a little hub in the app for that asset right so it like for
example people will be able to tap dog and it can like pull up information about the price.
And the theory is, this is just the theory, is that you'll be able to actually buy directly and swap directly at X, which would be kind of cool.
You know, I don't know if that'll happen overnight, but that is kind of the product direction a lot of people think it'll go in.
So that seems like they maybe do care about crypto Twitter.
That's obviously a feature for us or at least the Wall Street people.
And it seems kind of cool.
I've always thought that makes sense.
It's like we use those dollar sign tickers constantly.
It would be nice to be able to tap them and actually see the token that people are buying
and see some information without leaving Twitter.
Haven't they had this for a little while?
What's new about this exactly?
Let me find the post because he actually has some product mock-ups in here.
So you can kind of see what he's suggesting.
I just, I just, I just, I just bend it.
Okay.
I don't, yeah, I don't think it's revolutionary to be clear because like,
it would be really cool if you could actually buy and sell based on it it just looks like some information you know but they're trying to build
you know fintech markets into the app which is kind of cool yeah i mean i think i think ultimately
we need to do is figure out how to get crypto Twitter, crypto X, our community,
more visibility on other networks as well.
I mean, you know, like we can't stay on X forever.
Like there's a, and we don't know where the future is going to be.
You know, it could be that, I mean, TikTok is, you know,
focused on a much younger demographic, a much more active demographic.
There's definitely demographics that we're not reaching by just staying on X.
But this shows, again, this shows the risk of siloing ourselves, right?
Because one algorithm change in X could, you know, if they're trying to get rid of bots,
you know, are we going to be, are they going to throw the baby out with the bathwater? Are we just going to be a casualty of, you know, their other priorities here. So historically, I guess there's two
questions, right? One is because there's two totally different goals. One is where do you
want your community to be? Right. Meaning where do you want to have like a safe space
for all of your friends in this community who have this common interest to talk?
And then the other thing is like, how do we do marketing and propaganda for our coins?
It's two kinds of different things, right?
Historically, we used Bitcoin Forum and then we used Reddit and now we use x for the community right and i would say bitcoin
forum isn't going viral anywhere because it's just bitcoin people but on reddit you saw a lot
of attention to bitcoin to eth when these subreddits would get on the front page of reddit
right that was a really big deal when bitcoin was was on the homepage of Reddit, it really did onboard a lot of people to Bitcoin. And similarly on X, historically, right? When crypto Twitter is
just completely blowing up, our posts are getting shown to non-crypto people. The people who don't
hold any crypto have shown zero interest in crypto. They're seeing a post, oh my gosh,
Bitcoin's going crazy, right? Bitcoin's up to $20,000.
Those posts would make it into other people's feeds.
And that was like a big onboarding event for Bitcoin.
It was very exciting.
And then it got everyone tweeting about Bitcoin
because they wanted to be part of that.
So I don't know.
I feel like we're still,
I feel like this is still a good place
if you want to have a chance
at like getting in front of people outside of crypto Twitter.
Like if you want to do a viral tweet or if you want to post on TikTok and try to like put out marketing content, I still think that's good.
I worry about the community aspect here.
That is what's hurting.
The filter bubbles on this app, the communities are not prioritizing the algorithm.
The filter bubbles on this app, the communities are not prioritizing the algorithm.
And if you want to talk to your people, right, like your community, this is becoming less of a good way to do that.
I still think it's a good place to put out marketing.
I think like just instead of, you know, it's like instead of saying GM, instead of talking to your community, make your post for everybody, right?
Try to inject yourself into that conversation that's happening that has nothing to do with
you.
Inject yourself into that, you know, play the game the way the algo wants you to play it
is basically what I'm saying.
And then maybe we're in Telegram group chats for the community going forward, which is
kind of silly.
Maybe we move back to Reddit.
Reddit was pretty cool, actually.
It was a good
way to see. You upvote everything. It's very simple. There's no algorithm. With this algorithm
stuff, you're right, Trevor. They can change it. It can change overnight. The Reddit upvote system
seems pretty fair to me. It's not really algorithmic. It's just what people like to upvote.
You see. So I'm not saying we move back to reddit but maybe it's something to think about
yeah i think the drama with reddit just becomes super like left wing like almost like blue sky
level yeah but so maybe maybe that's good for like we always talk about trying to reach new people
it's like maybe that's good maybe we want to be on like uh various different uh tools you know and it's like
yeah i don't know how much like honestly i'm not on reddit much anymore but uh yeah i don't know
like how how much is like the bitcoin subreddit impacted by that like i don't know if it's
like i don't know if like they push their rules and stuff into bitcoin subreddit maybe they do
i don't know.
I see we have wrestling up here.
Yeah, check the latest post from Nikita.
He just posted something funny.
He just posted?
Lovely.
Let's see what we got. Yeah, it was like two minutes ago.
The guy definitely has been tweeting about this a lot.
Oh, okay.
So you're talking about the reply?
I've finished the whole loop?
Okay, so basically you tweeted in 2022
that the Twitter growth strategy,
zero to 500 followers, you're a reply guy.
500 to 2,000 followers.
You put out niche bangers.
2 to 5,000, you put out thirst traps.
5 to 10K, you put out parody news.
10 to 25K, you put out cringe threads.
25 to 50K, you shitpost.
50 to 75K fortune cookies.
75 to 100K cringe bangers.
Greater than 100k get canceled.
Okay, so he's basically saying it got canceled.
Yeah.
I don't think he's canceled unless he gets fired by Elon.
Elon probably loves it, bro.
Elon likes controversial shit and he likes that this guy's engaging with people.
Because to his credit, I don't really know if we had anyone at X who you could tweet at about stuff like this,
and they'd actually pay attention, right?
We have not, no.
That's a good point.
I do like that.
I really do feel like I was tweeting into it at best when I would tweet at Elon.
into it a bit when i would tweet at elon like i don't think anyone on the product team cared
I don't think anyone on the product team cared what I was saying.
of what i was saying i feel like nikita you know he kind of he's like a product centric founder
i think he he pays attention and he does care that this product transforms and he's trying to
talk to the users that's what he's doing every day on x so i think he listens which is good
the problem is i don't know if like he here i don't The problem is, I don't know if he listens,
but I don't know if he really hears us right.
It's like he seems to write it off
even though he's still technically hearing what we're saying.
I think two things.
One is, I think he doesn't care that much about crypto Twitter.
He's not a part of the cultures, let's say.
Second thing is I'm wondering if he got like a little bit of a little bit in
trouble because Elon did have to like respond. You know,
I'm wondering if he like escalated it to Elon,
but either way, like it's if, if Elon has to say something, you know,
because, and it's your job, you know, to deal with that,
it's not good for your job.
And we know Elon fires people really quickly.
Well, my guess is Elon follows Nikita,
and thus he sees this stuff.
Because, like, Elon doesn't follow that many people.
So I'd imagine he probably sees this stuff.
The biggest watershed moment that I want to see is that Elon's getting specially prioritized in the algorithm.
I'm, like, so confident around this theory.
Like, I've clicked, like, not interested in Elon posts a lot.
Like, I actually find what Elon tweets interesting.
But I will go to his page and look at that when I want to see it.
Okay? find what Elon tweets interesting, but I will go to his page and look at that when I want to see it. Okay. I don't necessarily just want Elon's random posts about whatever he's posting about that day
in my timeline. That's not why I'm here. I do treat this app almost like work.
I only want to see crypto Twitter content. And pretty much I will say somehow, even though I
say not interested, Elon posts somehow keep finding their way into my feed.
So I'm not going to mute him, but it does feel like there's a very special category that Elon posts are in.
That's what I'll say.
I think he, I would not be surprised at all if he's getting boosted by the AI.
The AI is like favoring him.
I think that's a very possible outcome.
I think the step beyond that would be,
are they specifically de-boosting certain communities like Crypto Twitter?
Which we'll find out, I guess.
If they're being honest about the open source stuff,
I mean, we'll find out pretty quickly.
See, we are joined by Tuxedo this lovely morning.uxedo what's up man gm good morning guys how are
you are you good i came to share a very unpopular opinion with you which is what nobody's interested
in what we've never heard you that's so unlike you tuxedo guys, no, first of all, Leo, how could you even say that no one is
interested in what you're saying? No, man, the fact that you have 10 times less of the audience
that you used to have doesn't mean that there are no moreal listeners to The Ordinal Show. Anyway, the unpopular opinion is that crypto will become much healthier if we get rid of
Citi, if we don't have any Twitter engagement.
All the scams and all the FOMO and all the drift and grift and all the fucked up shit
is happening on Twitter.
I'm not saying Twitter is to blame.
But if we remove that power from the people that do that, then crypto is going to enter a more healthy era.
That's my unpopular opinion.
What do you have to say?
Look, I don't hate if they're trying to improve crypto Twitter or do stuff to it.
The thing is they're nuking the good accounts.
It's like give more attention to the good accounts.
And what I mean by that is authentic accounts.
I don't want to see these posts that are like, you know, what's the ticker question mark that these people are posting every day that I'm pretty sure it's like there's like 50 accounts run by one person or company that do this, right?
And they're not real people.
They're just like – they're just like – they're not people.
They're like accounts that are just like engagement bait basically.
engagement bait basically and they're not authentic i want to see i want to see authentic
And they're not authentic.
like controversial hot you know thoughtful different takes that people are making
and like i'm not no offense to the i know there's a lot of the people that like the
yapping and the kaido stuff but my god that stuff is garbage and it's not why i'm here at all
it's like nuke that shit to oblivion.
I don't want to ever see that shit ever again.
To me, and this is just me and this is a cynical take,
so don't get mad at me again.
But if you're tweeting about a project so you can farm yaps,
you are literally shilling garbage that you don't believe in
to make like $2.
What the fuck are you doing?
Get off this fucking app.
Like, sorry for using the F word there,
but it's like, don't do that.
It pays nothing.
And you're literally shilling.
It's like, if you're going to do a paid shill,
at least make a little money off of it, right?
I mean, this stuff is such low quality garbage.
Like the yapping, I'm sorry.
It was a fun experiment.
It was a cute little thing we did.
Get rid of all of it.
Nuke it all.
Like, that's insane.
That stuff's crazy.
Get rid of all of it.
It's like the hyper-financialization of attention, and all this has done is made us even more fake and inauthentic.
It's like like what are we
doing here guys like all i want to see is like an account that's a real person
that i actually you know i'm interested in hearing what they have to say because i respect them or
they have interesting takes i want to hear their interesting take on something that's why i'm here
that's that's really the only reason if i want get the news, I can go to decrypt. If I want to look at the prices and charts, I can go to CoinMarketCap.
I'm here for the interesting takes, some interesting theories, people who've been
right about a bunch of things, predicting something early. I'm not here for you to earn yaps. I'm not
here for you to pump some garbage to me that you're going to sell.
Give me good content.
Give me interesting, good crypto Twitter content.
And this is like basically where I'll agree with Nikita slightly.
We have gotten too, I don't know, there's too many of these guys just saying, GM, what's
the ticker?
You know, I'm tired of getting rugged. What's the ticker? I don't know there's too many of these guys just saying you know gm what's the ticker you know i'm tired of getting rugged what i don't know man you you really sound like someone who who
couldn't dominate any of the important leaderboards got zero airdrops uh and now he's just uh mean and
and sad about it i mean tuxedo when i tell you that there's a project that's paid on Kaido, they've paid Kaido a bunch of tokens to make sure that they get talked about, is that a bullish signal for that project?
Not necessarily.
Not necessarily, but people made like, right, maybe $2 is nothing for you and me, but for a lot of people from the countries that they were participating, and I'm just playing devil's advocate here, I really agree with you, to be honest, that was the absolute bottom of crypto trading.
But it was something for them, you know.
Look, I understand why people are making the money.
The point that I'm saying is the algorithm shouldn't reward that.
That's a hack in the system.
I don't want to see you shill some projects.
Like what crypto Twitter should be is the place to amplify great conversations
and high quality content.
And the apps, I would say, are the epitome of low quality content.
They're just above bots.
OK, because you're not saying something you actually believe. You're just farming a frickin token.
Right.
And I think that's not what should dominate the conversation.
So this whole thing where you can pay Kaido and like guarantee that you're going to trend that day by just basically paying people to tweet about you.
That's not a good thing. that's a very bad thing it it erodes the discourse completely because yeah again the kaido projects
that are paying for this it's like more of the cabal engineering everything it's like the one
thing that cabal didn't have was that usually you know like Trevor was saying, we all have spider senses.
We're like power users of this app.
And this is like the final test, right?
You can do the market makers and line up the centralized exchange listings, do all this stuff,
but you still have to pass the sniff test of a bunch of people and a bunch of influencers on this app for your coin.
And now you can just have in the background paying people to tweet
about it so there's like 10 000 posts a day i think that's silly like i'm very anti-kaito
like i like the analytics they provide i do not like the yaps i do not like the farming
on x i think it i think it's eroding the conversation a lot so you want to see more interesting topics and interesting
discussions? Yawn lifting
some plates.
Yeah, more yawn leg.
I mean, that's
rich coming from a guy that
does nothing but post dog
all day.
But you know, I want to see
some interesting conversations.
That's organic. I'm not getting paid to see something. That's organic.
I'm not getting paid to do it.
It's like I'm not farming Kaito, right?
And there's actual people who want to repost that, right?
So it's like it works.
But, you know, Kaito, if you're just posting about a new Kaito coin every day,
your account isn't a human being.
You're like a bot.
You're more like a bot than a human.
Like, stop being like bots, guys.
Be like humans, right?
Post authentic take on what you believe.
I think that's like what this is. This app is the best when people are just sharing their thoughts on things that are happening, right?
That's it.
That's what this app is supposed to be.
It doesn't need to be anything more than that. No i agree and i'm messing with you you know that i love your dog posts and i also amplify
them but uh this is a serious problem to the point that i'm really afraid to spend more than a second
you know sometimes you're scrolling your feed and then you have to do something else at the same
time which doesn't involve your phone like for example something on your laptop or I don't know drink a glass of water
or wine depending on your type and then I see that I stopped scrolling on an irrelevant
topic to what I'm usually interested in I immediately postpone whatever I'm doing so
that the screen doesn't stay on the thing because it destroys the algorithm. The algorithm is so fucking sensitive that I'm afraid of those gestures.
No, I felt that as well. Like, for example, I'm like careful. I will not tap on a video. Like
it will occasionally put me a video that's like some viral video to watch. Right. And if I tap
on it and I watch it, I actually do want to watch the video. Right. Because it's like some viral video to watch, right? And if I tap on it and I watch it,
I actually do want to watch the video, right?
Because it's like, okay,
they showed me something interesting.
But I don't do it anymore because I know if I tap on it,
I have now just screwed my algorithm up
for the next week
and I'm going to have to click
the not interested thing like 100 times.
So yeah, I think the ultimate solution
is what Jack always proposed.
He said like, bring your own algorithm.
Let's have an app store for algorithms.
I don't even think it has to go to the extreme like that.
But, Trevor, don't you agree that it would be cool if there was, like, an app store where we could, you know, select the old algorithm versus the new algorithm just as a start?
Like, you got two options.
And then maybe you introduce one that's, like, niche focused, not interested in like viral TikTok style stuff.
Like that would be cool if I can make that selection.
And as long as you made it really easy for people to select their algorithm, I think it could have a pretty big impact.
I mean, people already have this to some extent with lists and with search.
to some extent with lists and with search.
And just by, instead of using the For You tab,
by using the People You're Following tab.
Otherwise, yeah, I mean, you could maybe improve upon that
by allowing people to get more specific on what they want to see.
But I think, Leo, I think the problem is not necessarily
what people choosing what they want to see.
The problem is that people aren't getting their posts seen by their followers.
So, you know, on the one hand, yes, it would be better to give us more control,
but we all know that a majority of people are super lazy
and people aren't going to change, aren't going to deviate much from the default that is set.
aren't going to deviate much from the default that is set.
Yeah, look, I...
Yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
I'm of the theory, like, I'm just looking at your post right now, Trevor.
You tweeted two days ago about this situation.
Organals and runes are in the clear right
and it's basically like because you joined that conversation it performed like decently well like
8 000 impressions is like pretty decent right um i think we just have to be thoughtful about
joining whatever like the hot topic is like like like for example like inject yourself into whatever's happening
like bring your coin or your meta or your community into that conversation which is dumb that we now
have to force everything around that right but if you want to like get out to a lot of people
that's what you have to do unfortunately and even to get in front of your followers now, like that's what you have to do, right?
Which is dumb.
But yeah, I don't like, I don't like, I'm just also kind of realistic, Trevor, where
it's like, are we, you know, we can continue to have a revolt of crypto Twitter, but ultimately
are we going to really affect the algorithm?
If Elon thinks this is making people look at X more and it's more like TikTok, he's
thinks this is making people look at x more and it's more like tiktok he's probably going to keep
probably going to keep it.
it even if people like like if the numbers tell him that more people are using this app because
of this i think he'll keep it even if it makes crypto twitter upset you see what i'm saying
and my guess is it probably does probably should like probably the ai algorithm is like optimizing
for what people want to see right it's's giving them some viral video that is more viral than whatever the people you're following,
which is the actual high-quality content,
but it's the more viral content, right?
Yeah, I agree.
And I think also probably the reason
that we're in this situation is
Elon probably brought in Nikita and he said,
here's the things I want you to do,
and I don't care how you achieve it.
You know, and then Nikita's like, all right, well, Elon's probably like, I want you to
reduce the number of bots.
I want you to cut bots in half.
And I want you to increase engagement by, you know, a few percentages every month or
something like that.
Nikita is probably thinking, OK, well, you know, sorry, guys.
well, you know, sorry guys, sorry crypto Twitter,
Sorry, crypto.
Sorry, crypto Twitter.
like, you know, I found a way to cut bots in half,
but it's also going to cut all of your engagement in half.
The way to cut bots in half is anything crypto related
is going to be de-boosted.
I do not understand how I as a human
can instantly tell when something's a bot or not,
just from a reply,
but somehow the smartest LLMs in the world can't.
How is that a thing?
Like, are we just still smart?
Are we being oversold how good an LLM is, Trevor?
I mean, I think they will be able to probably eventually.
I don't know.
I mean, yeah. I mean, it think they will be able to probably eventually. I don't know. I mean, yeah.
I mean, it's like you only, no matter how good LMs get,
like they still, I think it'll, until they're really, really good,
until they're like even maybe a hundred times better than they are now.
It's such a subtle, you know, problem.
And it's also one that, yeah, like things are always like always moving, right?
So because people have to understand LLMs don't have a theory of mind, right?
Like LLMs are just statistical machines.
And so only through like a true like theory of mind can you understand like how the meta keeps moving and changing.
I think this is also why
to some extent
I mean
if you talk about high frequency
trading or teaching an LLM
to trade
profitably, well like
at some point the goal post
keeps moving. It's an arms race
and there's a financial incentive.
People are making these bots
because they're making money doing it.
I mean, there was also like an article,
I think last week about
China's like most prolific pig butchering scammer,
which pig butchering scams are like,
when it's like these farms, these like scammer farms, mostly in India and China, not because anything to do with those cultures, but I think because of a large number of people and also they can kind of, yeah, they can get around. that's 75 billion dollars through pig butchering scamming and he was caught by i think he was
extradited from um vietnam or another country to china and they caught him but dude think about
that's the number one pig butchering scammer which is where pig butchering is like they pretend to be
a woman or a person of the other gender and they try to seduce you to like basically form a...
They have like one, you know, there's one dude messaging you
on whatever messaging platform.
Sometimes they get phone numbers from these like different hacks
and stuff like that.
And they just send out random messages and they build like,
hey, this is so-and-so.
And oh, like they, you know, they pretend to be someone
of the opposite gender and they trick you into sending them cryptocurrency
or something like that, right?
And this guy made $75 billion doing it before getting caught.
It's pretty insane how much financial incentive
there is for these scammers, right?
So as long as there's a financial incentive,
human creativity goes far beyond
what any LLM will ever be able to do.
Yeah, I don't know.
I worry that as the LLMs get better, right, at detecting these things,
they're also getting better at getting around the detection.
They're going to look more normal.
Like right now, so I just found a post I did two days ago
where I was just basically saying dogs up 15% today, right?
And it was like a breaking post, pretty simple. I post these a lot. Like I like to think of myself as calm,
cool and collected and chill, but like, and I think I probably do get triggered sometimes too.
I can also be emotional, but it may, for some reason, I swear I like, I want to like,
you know, punch something when I'm scrolling through my replies, and I see posts that are like, I'll just read a few of them.
It's like, attention rotates fast in this market, and projects that already have visibility tend to benefit most when momentum hits.
It's like, it's not advertising anything directly.
It's just fucking slop.
It's garbage.
It means nothing. I would say it's such a great it's garbage it means nothing it's like
such a great statement no but like what does that mean attention rotates fast in this market
and projects that already have visibility tend to benefit most when momentum hits it's like
they're trying to be insightful but it says nothing it's so it's like this other one says
that this one's just chasing the hype again.
Hope it holds up.
It's like, it's like, it's like dunking on me.
And then it's also giving me hope it holds up at the end.
They're just, they're just trying to manipulate the mind.
What I see here is like the beginnings of us just like being manipulated by AI in the future.
Because it's like, I can see how it's starting to
want to like be clever it's like okay I think this will perform well I'm gonna say bet which
is like a way to sound cool like a normal person this one's just chasing the hype again hope it
holds up like these are why like who talks like? This one's just chasing the hype. Hope it holds up.
Who talks like that?
It's two completely opposite things in one fucking post.
It's like one sentence.
Like, no human being talks like that.
So, I don't know.
When I read these LLM slop posts, like, it makes me want to, like, take a baseball bat and go to the fucking data center and smash the LLM.
fucking data center and smash the smash the llm leo leo bro i feel like we are entering the segment
of the show where you need to uh distance yourself from the microphone uh so
but do you remember a time where um facebook was popular not like today and all these girls they
would post their literally their ass after a breakup and something inspirational
which didn't correlate didn't have anything to do with the actual content so treat it as such it's
like you know it's people sometimes people act like bots sometimes bots act like people but
another thing i remember this do you remember a few months ago on this show, we, I mean, I definitely remember it was you and me.
I'm pretty sure Trevor was aware that pig butchering was not actually
butchering pigs, but you and me, we were not.
We're not, look, look, look.
We do not bet and prepare the way we should for this show.
That was an embarrassing moment.
I apologize to all the listeners.
We're now educated.
We have educated ourselves.
We understand what a pig butchering scam is.
And, you know, we apologize to anyone who was misinformed based on that show.
I can understand why people would be confused.
Yeah, yeah. I'm just looking through all these replies my god it makes me so angry it makes me so mad reading this stuff it's like oh yeah it's like they the LLM is reading my post
and replying to it it's like it is specific to what I'm posting about, but it's
just garbage. The thing it says is it's not what a human would post. The irony is it's trying to
sound like a human, but the human actually sounds more like a bot. The human actually just wants to
say, yes, dog ETF, right? But, and then the LLMs are like trying too hard.
I think that's what it is.
The LLMs are trying too hard.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look, if Nikita could solve one problem, Trevor,
would you rather him solve the bot problem
or give us our follower crypto Twitter engagement again?
I mean, obviously, I don't care about the bots
because I just block them,
and it's not a big issue for me,
and probably for many people in our audience in this space.
They probably don't care about the bots
because we're just used to it.
And yeah, I don't know why it's such a priority.
It's not something you want to optimize for, I think,
beyond like over optimize for,
because then you get exactly what is happening.
But that's what, that's also what happens when you,
you, you give someone a goal and they try to take a shortcut,
you know, to, to solve the problem.
So like, yeah, like they have They have to constantly combat bots
and it's very easy for somebody to come up with
a quick solution that actually negatively
affects an entire industry.
You know, it's kind of funny. You know that post you read
out that Nikita,
replied to like a couple hours ago about how you go from zero to a hundred
thousand followers.
She deleted that.
Did the guy,
no way.
What's he,
what's he doing,
bro?
It's like,
get off crypto Twitter.
Stop trying to be such an edgy little reply guy and just fix the fucking
problem,
bro.
It's like, nobody, nobody wants like, get off crypto Twitter, stop trying to be such an edgy little reply guy, and just fix the fucking problem, bro. It's like, nobody wants the edgy reply guy from Nikita.
We just want him to actually fix the thing.
Like, do you think Nikita said that it's possible that we're all completely delusional?
Or do you think he understands that the algorithm has obviously changed in the past?
I mean, Elon admitted that the new algorithm...
No, I think he's lying, bro.
Elon wanted the new algorithm.
There's a fucking new algorithm.
I think he's lying.
I think he's lying.
And I think, yeah, I think it's exactly what it is.
I think he is kind of getting caught, you know, taking a shortcut to achieve some metric that he was passed from top down from Elon.
And he just took a shortcut.
He's a pretty clever dude.
He's the type of person who would be like,
oh, I could reduce bots by 50%
if I just block all these crypto accounts
or deboost all these crypto accounts.
Now bots are going to be viewed way less.
He would be someone who would do that.
And then he got caught and he's kind of like without being like, yeah guys, I'm sorry, but
it's not going to change.
He only has one of two options. Either admit it and just say it's not going to change
or admit it and make improvements. he took like the worst of the those options and just tried to you know pretend like it's oh i
don't know anything guys oh it must it's your guys's fault like first he blamed us and he's
like oh it's not the it's it's xai it's not me guys like really dude like i mean none of his
none of his uh what does that mean it good. It's XAI, bro.
XAI doesn't run Twitter.
It's a Twitter product decision about what the algorithm does.
If at a minimum he's telling the XAI team what to do, right?
Like they might be actually optimizing the algorithm, but I guarantee you they listen
to the Twitter product team.
Exactly.
And I, and I, and and i and i guarantee that he knows
what's going on i mean this isn't the people have been sending him dms being like what's happening
you know for months you know i kind of love go ahead i was gonna ask do we know anything about
nikita other than you know he's the head of product.x? I mean, what's his relation to running algorithms in the past?
Bro, actually good.
He's created a couple of viral social apps, which is like very hard to do.
They never got to the level of like, you know, Instagram or Snapchat or TikTok.
But yeah, he created gas.
He created a few of these viral apps, which in Silicon Valley, it's like the hardest category
of app to create these like viral social apps.
It's like really hit or miss.
There's a long history of people trying to create and failing with social apps.
So, yeah, he he had a few few winners there that he sold.
So he's like a pretty he's a very legit entrepreneur, I would say.
So I have respect for him from like a product perspective, for sure.
I think he's a special talent when it comes to product.
I think he's like screwing himself.
Like he's getting rage baited, right?
And I actually kind of love this.
Like if he's kind of fighting unfairly, we're like crypto Twitter's fighting back unfairly.
This guy posted a screenshot.
It says it's a screenshot of a Nikita post that says,
okay, the crypto bros have been bothering me consistently for the past two months
about the algo.
And truth be told,
yes,
we at X are heavily focused on removing the bubbles,
such as crypto Twitter from our app for transparency.
That's a fake post.
The algo will be 70% less likely to push post identify as crypto related
to larger audiences.
So, so of course that's not a real
post, but
it doesn't stop people from fucking reposting
the shit out of it.
And he replies
that's a fake screenshot moron.
But I find it
hilarious because I know this
app and people can believe
things on this app that they
shouldn't probably half the people that saw that believed it and uh it's like dude we we know how
to use this app better than nikita does that's what i'll say dude not only not only could an
lm not write that post but you see what i'm saying like you knew you knew immediately that
was a fake post like yeah exactly and an lm couldn't even write that post
yeah like i loved it because it like it perfectly frames it perfect it kind of acts like uh you
know it sounds like it's professional right but then he you know you know how mad some people probably got reading that for transparency
moving forward the alcohol will be 70 less likely to push posts identified as crypto related to
larger audiences like i find i don't know why that's so funny to me but it's like it's like
everybody believes that but then seeing him like post it is another thing, except obviously he didn't actually post it.
If I were him, I would either triple down on this shit and just troll the heck out of us and get fired and crash out.
Or I would actually stop tweeting and go fix the problem and then come back and ask, hey guys, how's it doing?
We just made some tweaks.
Those are pretty much the two options, I would say.
This whole middle path where he's gaslighting us, that's not cool.
That's not cool.
100%.
And that's exactly why he's being dragged.
Because he's, and also he's, like, crypto Twitter is great when they smell blood in the water.
You know what I mean?
Like, when he deletes a post,
it's like,
all right,
like the entire crypto Twitter is like galvanized.
So like go after him twice as much.
Dude,
we're professionals that trying to get people to like,
go like cry and log off X.
Like,
you know what I'm saying?
Like we,
we've honed,
we've honed this skill for a decade on this app,
right?
Like we have to self-police
if we didn't own this yeah there's no there's no industry that's better at dragging people
like if someone if you like you can get canceled by like any industry but you do not want to get
canceled by crypto twitter like it's going to be the most painful who was the girl that sold a coin
and then said there were mistakes made in a wallet?
Like, realistically, if in any other industry, if that happened, it's probably not that big of a deal.
Like, who gives a shit?
It's like, who gives a shit, right?
Like, it's, you know, but like crypto Twitter, because it needs to self-police itself, because if we don't, we're going to lose all of our money to scammers.
So we have to
self-police so the end result is you get dragged and it becomes a meme and it's like she probably
like doesn't do that very much anymore you know what i'm saying like it kind of works like if you
want to be part of this conversation you got to play by the rules that are set and that's how we self-police the space so we've we've had we've
we've forcibly had to do this otherwise you're gonna basically get grifted 24 7 so you have to
filter out the grifter somehow and it's like basically you got to build a reputation up as
a you know an influencer or whatever but do it in a way that crypto Twitter likes. So we've had to learn how to ostracize people.
The irony of all of it is like,
like the whole,
it creates this like,
like the hack for crypto Twitter is to be the villain, right?
Like that's what gets all the engagement.
It's like, it's the truth.
It's like, it's the Trump strategy.
When somebody like calls you out and tries to cancel you you use it as an opportunity to be the strong man and just triple down on your statements you know what i'm saying and like
like that's you can also do that so it's like it kind of works but it kind of doesn't because
crypto twitter if you understand that that's like the little hack, never apologize and always, you know, be controversial.
There's a lot of accounts that do this.
That can get you consistent.
That can be your strategy on the SAP as well.
So I don't know.
It's interesting.
Like the fact that we are professionals at doing that, like it allows people to kind of, you know,
engage with that and feed into it and get attention from that too.
But yeah,
Nikita,
Nikita is,
I think,
trying to navigate the situation and he's not trying to,
he's trying really hard to not ever have an apology moment and make X look bad.
But I think he's making X look bad by just not admitting to something
that's happening. And again, I don't,
just to be clear, I don't think it's crypto Twitter
specific. I think this is, they've changed
the algorithm to not allow
us to have communities on X with our followers
anymore, which is a very,
you know, kind of strategic change that
if you can't call that out if that's
happening and admit that that's happening,
we're definitely not going to have any change.
So I hope the algorithm being open source solves it.
I really do.
I think, you know, Elon stepped in and he's going to, you know, Nikita wasn't getting the job done, Trevor.
So we had to go to the boss man and the boss man is going to give us our algorithm.
I'm hoping we'll at least see what the algorithm is.
We've escalated to the manager.
We've escalated to the manager.
We went over Nikita's head.
We're now talking to the manager,
and I think maybe we get something done here.
Crypto Twitter, I think, has a lot more influence on this app.
I'd like to see the internal metrics,
but I think we drive
a lot of high quality high value ads and stuff like that you know what i'm saying
or maybe i'm thinking too highly of ourselves i mean we pay for premium accounts a lot more i
think um i don't know if that's been verified but i mean that is logically consistent you can look i
looked i did this a while back.
I'll do it again.
You can see how many followers you have are on premium accounts.
Give me a second.
But it's like, it's like, I think it's like 10 or 15%,
which is like pretty good.
Let me look here now.
Analytics, audience.
I'm 94.9% male.
Oh, God.
I'm 4.4% female.
That's brutal, guys.
That's brutal, guys.
Shout out to all my female followers, all 4.4% of you.
We really appreciate it.
Okay, I don't see the stat anymore.
I swear there was a stat of how many people followed you. Oh no, no. Verified followers.
So I have 32,000 with the blue chat. So it's like 15%.
Yeah. I mean, that's pretty high.
I mean, I think...
That's a lot of people that have paid Elon 10 bucks a month.
That's a lot of people.
I'm not obviously the only person they're following,
but that's a high rate, I would say.
Yeah, and I think it makes sense that
because there are so many bots in our industry
that people are more likely to pay for premium accounts.
Because the main benefit of that feature is to filter out bots.
Trevor, guess what my top country by audience is?
This country has 23.6% of my audience is this country.
Brazil?
United States.
And then number two, 15.2%.
Brazil.
Bro, Brazilian dollar army is nuts.
Brazilian dollar army is nuts.
That's what I thought.
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of incredible.
Because then the next country is United Kingdom at 4.3%.
It's like a huge drop off. Like, it's kind of incredible because then the next country is United Kingdom at 4.3%. It's like a huge drop off.
Like, it's United States and Brazil, like, overwhelmingly dominate the audience.
It's still less than 50%.
It's still a very international app.
But Brazil at 15.2%, I mean, holy crap, you guys are nuts.
You guys are incredible, dude.
Brazilian Dog Army is like, if we can, like, find a way to replicate what's happening in Brazil in every country,
I mean, dogs are going to go to the moon.
These guys are incredible.
They do like three or four live podcasts and Twitter spaces every week in their community in Portuguese.
Every week, they've been doing it for over
like a year now uh on YouTube on X live on multiple different platforms they do like different shows
a couple times every week I think it's like four four different shows going on uh yeah it's kind
of wild it's kind of cool like and and like there's no wavering like these guys are like the
most convicted I don't like I don't know what's different between brazil and everywhere else but like they're
unwavering in their support like these guys are like extremely convicted more convicted than like
the u.s dog holders it's kind of wild um okay i'm 44 android 37 sorry sorry% ios 37% android 18% web so wow i mean mobile is just completely taking over
for x see that's so weird because i use trevor i mean do you use x on your desktop or phone more
phone more oh okay but it depends it depends yeah i recently found now i use desktop almost always
for x like i said i sit down and kind of treat it like work you know what i'm saying so it's like It depends. Recently phone, yeah. I use desktop almost always for X.
Like I said, I sit down and kind of treat it like work.
You know what I'm saying?
So it's like, I guess I'm in a different mindset than other people maybe.
Yeah, I have almost the same number of verified followers.
I got 22K. And then my second is also Brazil, actually.
But only 6%. US is also Brazil, actually. But only 6%.
U.S. is 45% for me.
Second, I mean, that's, yeah.
I mean, there's definitely some dog, you know, pizza ninja overlap, I would say.
So that kind of figures, you know what I'm saying?
Like, there's probably, you know, a decent Portuguese-speaking, you know, Brazilian pizza ninja holder community.
I would imagine ordinals and Bitcoin just in general
have a larger kind of percentage of Brazilian audience,
probably starting with, right?
I think they like Bitcoin a lot.
And also a similar time zone too.
True, good point.
Yeah, but that doesn't explain the rest like there's
lots of you know why isn't argentina showing up here you know what i'm saying like it's not
there's a lot like there's there's other like it's not like central and south america is like
represented as well like it's clearly bra Brazil, at least on my list.
Like I'm looking, it's United States, Brazil, United Kingdom, Australia, Canada, Germany, Indonesia, Turkey, Hong Kong, India, France, Portugal, Spain, Netherlands, Nigeria, Japan, Italy, Switzerland, Philippines, Singapore. Those are all of the ones above 1%.
That's the only one in central and south america was brazil it's like way over indexing like massively over indexing
it's just interesting yeah that's a good yeah it's a good point it's kind of cool though i like it
it's neat um hong kong 2.8 that's actually pretty high right like hong kong's a very tiny location i guess there's a lot
of people trevor when you were in china were you based in hong kong no shanghai shanghai okay so
so john was in probably shanghai with you then no no he's in he's in always in uh shenzhen
always in uh shenzhen right over the border from hong kong yeah oh okay okay okay gotcha
oh so he's actually across in china yeah he's in the mainland i mean dude why do you think
his connection is so bad all the time so how i i thought x was banned in china am i wrong
it is yeah he's on vpn so he's on vpn he VPN. He's a lawbreaker, dude. He's breaking the Chinese Communist Party's laws by using VPN.
This explains everything.
This explains everything.
This is why Jan's connection sucks ass.
He's on a fucking illegal VPN in China.
I thought he was...
Okay, that makes sense.
But how can you explain the bad connection when he was in Europe?
That I don't have a good answer for.
He has a brand new iPhone.
And he stays at, like, probably pretty nice hotels because he needs a gym.
So I don't really know.
That's a good question, Tuxedo.
It could be a user.
We could find out that, like, Jan doesn't know how to accept a co-host invite.
Maybe we find out that Jan just, like, doesn't know how to accept a co-host invite. Maybe we find out that Jan just doesn't know how to use X spaces.
I don't know.
It's certainly suspicious, isn't it, Tuxedo?
No matter where he goes, his connection's bad, but no one else is like that.
It's very, very suspicious.
To the point that we might need to address this issue with Nikita.
Maybe it has to do something with X and Jan.
I actually noticed something.
So Jan said something yesterday that I did a double look at it,
and I'm not sure what he meant by it.
You guys tell me what you think here.
What did Jan mean by this comment?
Give me like two seconds, guys.
I got to just find this.
All right.
Oh, my God.
He tweeted about Brian Johnson while the show was going on.
What is he doing, dude?
What is he doing?
All right.
I mean, he did.
Remember, he did message us saying that he couldn't do the show today
because he was watching so many Brian Johnson podcasts.
He had to catch up.
He listens to him on 2X, he said.
Actually,
when I spoke to him in person,
he said that sometimes
when he's not co-hosting,
he will join as an
anonymous listener to see if you
guys are trash-talking him.
Bullshit.
I guarantee you he's working out.
Maybe.
I mean, look, maybe.
I mean, he doesn't need to check because he knows we are.
I mean, when he's here, we are too.
Okay, so guys, here's the post that I'm referring to.
I'm going to pen it above.
You interpret this the way you guys interpret it.
Somebody posted, it's like some generic, very viral post that says, Texas teenagers invent
pen-sized device that removes 90% of microplastics from water using sound, okay?
Hills then replies, can you use it to remove microplastics from your balls, asking for
a friend.
Yawn then replies, there's only one way.
Is he making a jizz joke?
Is he making like an ejaculation joke right there?
I'm going to say probably yes.
Like, right?
I don't know what else that means.
I wanted to question Jan about it this morning, but he's not here.
As an expert in such jokes, I would say yes.
I'd say more likely than not, Jan made a jizz joke, which is interesting.
I don't see Jan making jokes about jizz very often.
But for some reason, the algorithm, I don't know why,
because this thing only has four likes on it.
But last night I was scrolling through action.
That popped up in my timeline our boy was yon's reply there's only one way it thought i wanted to
see that i think he is cracking the algorithm that's what he's doing he realized that uh crypto
is is not what it used to be he's he's he's trying new, you know, keywords.
Yeah,
but it only got four likes. And like last night,
I think I was one of the AB,
I was probably like the first AB tester and then I didn't engage with it.
And then it didn't show it anymore.
That's probably what happened.
Yeah.
I don't,
Jan's post had four big likes on it.
Everybody found it very funny.
Apparently four people found it very funny, apparently. Four people found it very funny, apparently.
Oh my goodness.
Oh my goodness.
All right.
Well, Cynthia, we had a great productive conversation today about how nuked crypto Twitter's algorithm is.
is and how mad everybody is at Nikita. What's your take on all this?
And how mad everybody is at Nikita.
What's your take on all this?
I mean, I think you guys were pretty correct based on what I heard. It's definitely ridiculous that
he's gaslighting us and trying to blame, you know, AI on how the algo is because like, I mean,
are you not even doing your job? that's your whole job is product at x
um so should we be kind of figuring out who his boss is his boss elon and you know should he be
getting fired for not doing his job um he's basically abusing the customer base many of
whom are paying customers like yourselves which you, you know, I don't think
that's a lot.
I pay a thousand dollars a month to this app, Cynthia.
And that's a lot.
He boosted me.
That's a lot.
If you were paying me a thousand dollars a month, I would treat you well.
I would send you GM handsome every single day, you know, and I would treat you well.
So you got to put your money, you got to put it where the would treat you well. So you gotta put your money. Um,
you gotta put it where the people treat you.
Well,
you know,
you have to be careful where you,
who you give your money to.
Wait,
are you saying that?
Wait,
Trevor,
do you think Cynthia was right all along that we should be on haters?
That Elon's not looking out for us and he only cares.
No billionaire friends.
Elon's the man i don't really care about that either way you guys can think whatever you want about elon um everyone's just funny she doesn't
she definitely doesn't deny it trevor she comes up here and downplays it but she does not deny it
you guys think about me thinking about elon more than i ever think about elon that's
what's really funny i can tell cynthia like cynthia is like sitting sitting there like scrolling
through x and sees a post from elon and she's like these horrible billionaires like elon we
gotta get rid of the billionaires i have them on notifications honestly but um you know yeah we do
have to get rid of the billionaires.
I think once you reach a certain point, you get like a trophy.
Maybe, you know, they throw a party or something.
But you get like something.
You get recognized.
Hey.
I mean, there is a I've heard you get like a special bottle of wine when you join the three commerce club.
But I haven't actually gotten there from experience.
I've just heard this. This is a rumor that circulates uh we have uh demo thenis what's up man how you doing
hell yeah now this is just for troll and lols hey are ordinals dead guys of course they're not
yo shout outs to leonitis man you've been here since fucking day one i remember back
in the day when you were teaching mfers like how to deal with like their own inscriptions manually
i read a bunch of your threads i made a small little collection in sub 175k back in those days
still love them bro i had to ask you have you looked at the fact that um elon just said that the new x algo goes uh open source in
seven days are you going to be researching into it because i know you always cook up bro i'm going
to take that whole algo i'm going to dump it into chat gbt and i'm going to just be asking it
questions bro i'm going to be like can you find anything about crypto twitter can you can you find anything that's like biased
towards like showing us elon posts i think there's going to be some juicy stuff he did this
like two years ago but it was before the algorithm was this hyper ai version of the algorithm so i
guess it's kind of like a rejuvenation of that program to open source so i'm sure as hell going
to be looking at it bro i think it hell going to be looking at it, bro.
I think it's going to be pretty interesting.
I'm sure there's stuff that they think they've like figured out that they haven't.
And we're going to like,
you're going to get a lot of eyeballs on that.
We're going to figure out what's going on.
I'm actually bullish on it.
Seven days is pretty much next Monday show.
We'll probably be talking about this.
So yeah,
man,
I'm pumped for it.
This is like, thank you. Yeah. This is like this is like christmas morning for crypto twitter users is the algorithm of the open
source uh yeah and then uh you know have you dmosthenics have you met cynthia on here she doesn't
like elon musk that's the main thing about her like Elon Musk. That's the main thing about her. That's the main thing
about me. That's kind of her identity. That's the main thing
about me, not that I make
Leo. I make
hand-drawn physical art
every single day for two years. She's our specialist on Elon Musk.
And I host it. She tells us
everything bad about Elon Musk. I also host the show every single night
with Mr. E
for almost 500 days now
in a row.
So I don't think, however I feel about Elon Musk,
is anywhere near anything close to what it is about me that anyone would define as part of me.
Do you guys see how defensive she's getting on this topic?
I don't know.
Usually that means he struck a chord.
Not at all.
I think that's ridiculous because I'm not on the timeline on the timeline talking about elon musk i'm talking about i'm making art i'm not talking about
people and bullshit um i'm making art and content and i'm hosting spaces and bringing
people together in community and supporting other artists and supporting other communities
so yeah i mean all right now right now cynthia is making me
look bad you're trying to make me look bad what are you talking about i'm just speaking the truth
cynthia have you seen the meme cynthia just flipped the table and now i'm like now i'm like the bottom
you should know who you're dealing with leo you should know who you're dealing with here
no cynthia please calm down have you seen the meme where they ask someone, you know, a question and beneath his name and last name, it says X child, because that's all he's associated with. You know, if they, in case they take an interview and you are like talking, they will say Cynthia and your description will be what?
will be what?
Elon Hater or what?
Elon Hater or what?
I would, I hope, you know,
artist could be maybe the title I get,
not Elon Hater.
You are not going very far with this though,
because there are so many artists.
If you identify as an Elon Hater,
you're entering a small niche.
But there's also a lot of Elon haters.
Yeah, that's not special.
He's the only one I know.
That's okay. I mean, I'm not a hater
though. Again, that's a waste of my
energy to hate on somebody like that.
Again, do I think billionaires
should exist? Not really.
That's like too much. You get a
plaque, you get a party,
something happens, and then
your money after that.
Like, you get to a point.
And this isn't my idea.
I saw this online somewhere, right?
You get to a point and you've made it.
You've made it.
You have won life.
You have won the game of life when you reach a certain number in money.
And you get a, you know, you get some stuff.
And that's it.
Also, by the way, the numbers regarding your followers, Leo, I have an answer as to why you have so many Brazilian followers and there's not as many from other South American countries.
And it's simply because Brazil has a much bigger population than any other South American country by a huge margin.
They make up about 50% of the entire population
of South America.
So that would be why.
It's just simple.
I agree.
But Mexico, Argentina also has like pretty large.
I'm pretty sure they're like both like fairly large.
I definitely agree.
I definitely agree they're not as large as Brazil.
They're not as large as Brazil.
I know Brazil is like pretty huge.
I know Brazil is, like, pretty huge.
But, like, you know, it's like there's like a, you know, 10 to 1 type situation going on.
And I know that's maybe it's like 20 to 1.
There's over 100 million more people in Brazil, by the way, than Mexico.
Almost 100 million more people.
Cynthia, how do you feel about Elon no longer becoming a billionaire he's gonna soon
be a trillionaire what do you like what's the point does that mean that you can like him again
no I mean what's the point like what are you gonna do with all that money that's why it's
crazy to me if you're actually if you have that much money like you can't spend it fast enough
for it to go away.
Well, you could build companies that change the world, Cynthia.
I mean, think about it.
Hang on, hang on, hang on.
We got to pump the brakes there.
I'm just teasing Cynthia.
We're not actually going to have a debate about this right now.
But I think it's a great time to let everyone know how much we're looking forward to seeing them on Wednesday.
Wouldn't you say, Trevor?
And how much we appreciated everyone showing up this morning. Even if you didn't see us,
you had to go out of your way to find the ordinal show because the algorithm
deboosts us. We really appreciate you showing up and to all of our listeners.
We really appreciate you.
And we have our sister show that airs every night at midnight Eastern time
called the mystery and Cynthia zone that we encourage everyone to go listen to.
And I think that's a wrap for today.
Trevor, you got any final thoughts?
No, have a great week, everybody.
Yeah.
Pay attention to the algorithm.
Make an account on the other social websites if you don't already.
Like, let's start to branch out of here.
We can't put all of our eggs in one basket with X. Awesome, guys. I think on that note, we're going to end it. Y'all have a
great rest of your day. We'll see y'all on Wednesday. Peace. Love you guys.
Insights
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