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The Role of Web3 Infrastructure In Space @Axiom_Space3 at @DeSpaceQF
Recorded: Dec. 1, 2023 Duration: 0:46:20Space Recording
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Hey guys, it's Manu.
Hope you do well.
We're going to wait for a couple of more minutes and in three minutes, five past, we're going
to kick it off, so grab a cup of coffee, grab a tea, and see you in a minute.
Here we go.
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Here we go.
Hi, Mina.
Hi, Mina.
How are you?
Can you hear me?
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I can hear you.
How are you?
Awesome.
Awesome.
Everything's fine on my end.
How about you?
Doing well.
Doing well.
Doing well.
Doing well.
Busy week, but it's going well.
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I got to the top of the hour, so.
Okay.
All right.
All right.
Yeah.
I think I will need to close it up like after 30, 40 minutes or so because I need to run.
But, you know, it's always a pleasure to have you here.
So, yeah, guys.
Thank you very much for being with us today.
Thank you, Mina, for joining us.
I will introduce you briefly for our audience so that you know, so that we know who we are
speaking with.
So, we have our guest today, Axiom Space 3, the Web3 division head of Web3 at Axiom, Mina Salib.
Axiom Space is a prominent provider of human space flight services and the developer of
human-related space infrastructure.
So, they are focusing on operating and end-to-end missions to the ISS and they are also building
out their own commercial space station.
Besides that, Mina is leading and in charge of building the Web3 division at Axiom Space
and really pioneering everything that is related to, I would say, traditional space companies
tapping into the hidden gems into untapped markets and creating new business modes around
what we can do right now with the technology in Web3 and blockchain and what's desperately
needed in the space sector and industry as well.
So, a warm welcome to Mina today for joining us.
Thank you very much, Mina, again, for taking the time.
And, yeah, feel free to say hi, introduce yourself to our audience and, yeah, then kick
it off.
Thank you so much for having me.
Good to be here amongst so many builders in the Web3 space ecosystem that has been developing
over the past many years but, you know, has been in hyperdrive, I feel like, over the
last year, year and a half.
You know, it's good to connect with all of you.
As you mentioned, my name is Mina Slee.
I'm heading up Axiom Space's Web3 program, Axiom Space 3.
You know, Axiom Space, we're focused on building the first commercial space station.
You know, we run bi-annual missions to the, we operate bi-annual missions to the ISS.
Our next one is actually scheduled for this coming, I think, for Q1 of 2024.
So, it should be announced pretty soon.
And then we also, you know, are creating the newest spacesuits, which will be worn on
Artemis 3.
As a Web3 division, you know, we focus a lot on how do we really incorporate Web3 infrastructure
into the company.
In the first phase, it really looks a lot like, you know, democratizing access to space, giving
people, you know, a community to be a part of who are interested about the intersection
of Web3 in space.
And then long term, it becomes more of like, how do we actually build an infrastructure
into the company, you know, for building in real utility, especially on the space station
itself.
So, that's how we're looking at it.
Love it.
Love it.
Thank you so much for the brief overview and brief outlook for all the amazing projects
that you have in the pipeline.
Mina, can you tell us a little bit more about, you know, how you see this whole concept of
economic participation in space and also, you know, how you think that Axiom Space Web3
division will play a part into this.
So, maybe you can elaborate a little bit about this, as well as, you know, the history of
Axiom and in which direction we are heading with your overall mission as well.
Yeah, I can start with the overall mission, right?
Like, the company really started with our CEO, Mike Sofferdini, and Cam, you know, starting
the company around 2016.
And they had, you know, they had the vision of, you know, what does civilization look like
in space?
We obviously need a home in space.
What happens when, you know, that home for the international community is no longer the
ISS at some point?
So, you know, how do we fill that gap?
The gap ends up being, you know, Axiom Space and the station we're building.
So, that's really the goal of the company.
Our focus is building a commercial space station in order for humanity to have a home in space.
And, you know, as we build that up, right, we have to build up, like, proof points and
we have to validate the mission and we have to show people that we're serious, right?
Like, how do you break into an industry like space when it's always been really represented
and led by so many governments?
Obviously, when SpaceX came in, it showed that private companies can really kind of lead
the way in terms of space exploration and where we're going as an industry.
And Axiom Space wants to continue to build on that and evolve that, right?
So, you have the space station.
You have the proof points that we do every year now, which are the space missions, AX1,
AX2 and now going on AX3, which really help us essentially train and learn about what it's
like to live in space.
How do we operate in space?
How do we actually send private citizens to space?
And each of those missions, we learn more and more each time so that when we have our own
space station, we know how to operate.
We know what it takes to actually send someone.
We know what the protocols are.
We know how do you actually plan for the survival of humanity up there?
What do you have to de-risk for and things like that, right?
And then what are the opportunities, right?
You can't really necessarily understand it unless you're actually there and you actually
go and you actually have that experience.
So, that's the purpose of the missions.
Obviously, the spacesuits are, you know, an amazing opportunity for us from a technology
standpoint to kind of build on the tech that has been utilized to keep astronauts, you
know, safe in space.
But then how do we kind of evolve that?
How do we evolve the traditional spacesuits?
And we obviously unveiled the AXEMU spacesuit last, I think last March.
And then that should be, you know, continue to be developed on.
And you saw the announcement with Prada.
They're helping out on the technology front of that and evolving that from a technology
standpoint, which is really cool and kind of a huge, huge opportunity for us.
So, like from a company perspective, like the mission remains the same.
Build out the first first station.
Everything we do is kind of like a learning experiment or exercise into what it's what
it takes to actually build out the first, you know, first commercial station.
But from a from a Web3 perspective, you know, space is going to be a huge opportunity, I
think, for Web3 in general.
Right.
Like I'm seeing a lot of what our friends in the ecosystem are doing in terms of, you
know, Copernic space doing an amazing job in terms of the, you know, creating digital
assets and having it represented in space, sent to space, stored in space and things like
that.
And for me, for us, what we're thinking about a lot is like, what does, you know, we're
thinking about data centers in space, storage in space, security in space.
And for me personally, I'm thinking a lot about what the security, how do we leverage space
as, you know, more, more of like this, this place where it could be the most secure place
in the world.
And how do we leverage that?
How do we build in blockchain infrastructure to make sure there's a security layer, but
also a transparency layer for, you know, assets, highly valuable assets, both governmental and
private assets that can potentially be stored stored in space.
So that's that's how I'm thinking about it from an infrastructure perspective, from more
of a community perspective.
Obviously, Web3, I think the Web3 technology, obviously blockchain technology is the best
way to democratize access to really anything.
It's the best way to give people a stake and make them feel like they're actually make them
a part of what you're building.
Right.
I personally think it's the best way to do that, as opposed to a lot of the Web2 technologies
that has been leveraged and honestly have been a little bit more predatorial than we'd
like.
Right.
In terms of like, you don't really own your own data.
You don't really own your own assets, things like that.
In Web3 and leveraging blockchain, you kind of do.
So that's how I'm personally thinking about it.
I love it.
Yeah, I highly resonate with, you know, just everything that you laid out, ranging from
the proof of concepts that you are building out to enable this, you know, this home and
space for humanity to unfold to, you know, very concrete steps when it comes to data centers,
infrastructure layers.
And also, you know, how we can further push the barriers of the technology that we are
all using for space forward to finally achieve the democratization of space.
And, you know, for sure, we have like different layers, different layers of asset classes,
also for like different stakeholders.
And I think what's what's pretty necessary also for space and decentralized space exploration
to unfold is to build products and solutions that really suit the target groups in their
places.
For example, you know, you're working with very big companies together to making this accessible.
And this is, for example, if you think about spinning up products and services with, for
example, Prada, as you mentioned it before, it's like a totally another story than working
with a governmental space agency or with a small startup or with people already doing
the work on the ground when we also talk about space science and engineering.
So another thing, you know, that I want to bring up here, it's related to, yeah, the things
that you see related to space commerce.
You know, again, you talked about the asset classes.
You we talked about all of this stuff.
So what is like what is like on the horizon for you right now when it comes to this stuff?
And where are you most excited about working with Axiom space on when it comes to different
assets?
Yeah, for us, we like we want to be the bridge for other really big brands and corporations
to have access to space, right?
Like we're essentially the conduit to to space right now.
Right. Like you can do it in a descent in a digital form or decentralized form, you know,
through through various means. But like, how do we actually be the conduit?
So that brands and and because brands are there, well, then their their followers, their users
or their customers are also really there. Right.
Like, how do you get more and more people to experience space in that way?
So we're partnering with a lot of big brands, especially on our missions.
Right. Like, you know, when when, you know, a fashion brand or, you know, a retail brand
or a consumer brand wants to be wants to understand opportunities in space.
They'll work with us on that. Right.
So right now we work with a lot of artists to to actually send their art to space.
Right.
VR Web three program.
So we're working on a project called Space Grails right now with seven, actually eight,
you know, globally recognized artists that will actually be sending their physical art to space
and then digitizing that art and allowing people to kind of like celebrate the fact that you have
all these different art forms in space and represented in space through these artists.
So getting more and more people to actually experience space in that way, making it more practical,
make it making it more tangible for them is really our initial goal, especially as the stations being built.
Right. Like there's only so much we can do on a hardware side, you know, as in terms of like an infrastructure perspective.
So, you know, from an infrastructure perspective, we're going to partner with with other companies.
We're going to send digital assets up to space.
We're going to do these types of these types of experiences and these types of programs.
But from a more, I guess, like an emotional side, like how do you get people to actually feel like they can participate in space?
A lot of people really think about space as a rich person's game. Right.
Like, hey, if I don't have billions of dollars, can't really can't really interact with space.
If I don't work for a governmental organization, can't really interact with space.
If I'm not a, you know, a selected astronaut can't really interact with space.
And I think this community does a really good job at changing that. Right.
Like at changing that narrative for for me, I want to change that narrative through partnerships with with brands that have that global reach.
And I want to change it through grassroots with through grassroots campaigns with a lot of organizations like the ones represented on this call.
Right. That are touching people from on the ground. Right.
And giving them different ways to interact with space.
And we want to facilitate those interactions with our missions. Right.
So like each of the companies that are part of our Web3, you know, Web3 space ecosystem, they're all playing a pivotal role.
And they all kind of like niche out with different products. Right.
How can, you know, Axiom space as being, you know, an operator of actual missions actually facilitate that?
Like that's that's how I'm trying to think about the Web3 program.
Yeah, I, you know, totally, totally agree.
I think, you know, it's super important to build this emotional bridge also for the general global adoption of space technologies.
I think, you know, what we have right now on blockchain Web3 is pretty unique in a way that we are not only building out the hardware for the stuff that we want to see up in space, but also the hardware.
So winning the hearts and the minds of the people on the ground so that we see more participation, more bottom up approaches and, you know, sending things up.
The loved ones, you know, I think many projects are also working on sending like ashes up or also like bio experiment, this kind of stuff.
So I'm personally really bullish about that as well.
And, you know, if it's like all counting onto onto this global goal of building like a home in space, commercial space stations and further developing this whole ecosystem.
It's a win, win, win situation for all.
So, yeah, highly appreciate all the work that you're doing.
Another thing that I want to bring up here, so you said that you're working a lot with brands and artists and you're making like different campaigns.
Maybe, you know, now it's a good time to present like what's a good entry point for people if they want to see more about this, if they want to have a buy in into the stuff that you're publishing.
And also about the partnership.
So, yeah, what is what is like up for you and what's next for for Axiom also when it comes to partnering up?
So you mentioned like brands and artists and what is like other other potential path that you can see?
Yeah.
So our our our next our next campaign that will be going live will be called is called Space Grails.
That's the one with the eight eight artists.
Some of the artists represented are like Snowfro, who's basically the godfather of generative art.
You have Dr. Sam Proctor, who is another amazing actual NFT artist, but also commercial astronaut, which is amazing historical commercial astronaut.
Actually, you have Dave Krugman.
You have a lot of different, you know, artists represented in that campaign.
So that we're partnering actually with Nifty Gateway and Transiate Labs to really big, you know, platforms and creators in the Web3 space.
They've been around for quite a long time. They work with thousands of artists and have done a tremendous job kind of leading that space.
So we're partnering with them. They're they're going to be actually we're selling a lot of the the actual digital assets on their platform.
And then, you know, that will be open to the community.
Everybody will have a chance to participate in that.
So that's that's a way there are other ways to to get involved with Axiom Space 3.
We have, you know, you have digital digital patches people can buy, give you access to our community.
And then from from a brand side, what we're trying to do on the brand side is like, how do we how do we how do we work with different brands and get different types of users?
We have a kind of a kind of an education into what the future of space looks like.
So if you work with, you know, we're speaking to a retailer, right, a high end, a high end retailer.
You know, how do we send what does luxury goods look like in space? Right.
What how does the public actually interact with that?
How what happens when a a sports a sports retailer is is sending something to space?
How does the public actually interact with that? How do we actually edgy?
It's not it's not just about necessarily selling products, but how do we actually get people to understand the opportunity and and the technology that comes from space space technology?
Because what what we don't want is as we continue to develop to develop this, that really only a thousand people really understand why this is actually important to humanity.
Right. We don't want people turning on space technology.
We don't want people turning on space exploration.
Why is this important to all of humanity? And the way the way I think we do that is we work with major Fortune 500 brands and we get we get the general public involved in continued exploration.
Get making sure that they understand what technology is being evolved and adapted.
Why does, for instance, why the space manufacturing actually matter to the general public?
How does it actually help with the advancement of health care here?
Like all of these things are actually beneficial to humanity on Earth.
It's not necessarily just about getting to Mars and telling that story through through these different campaigns with these Fortune 500 is what, you know, I'm trying to do from like kind of a biz dev biz dev perspective.
If that makes sense. Yeah, that totally makes sense.
Yeah. Also, what we found out, it's like this this whole educational path.
You pretty you summarize it pretty well.
It's a lot of storytelling.
It's a lot of commitment, finding the right people, getting the right people involved and excited about all the opportunities and possibilities we have right now.
Not only in creating, you know, monetary value add to the business mode that are already up there, but also, you know, how can we create more utility beside that for actually moving the need of the most.
And for sure, it's linked to brands, commercial businesses, also educating them for, you know, various commercial path forward.
But in the end, it's all rooted in storytelling and educational.
Highly, highly appreciate that you are pushing this forward as well.
So one thing that I'm curious about when we talk about the triumphs that you that you have with Axiom, it's also linked to some of the challenges.
So if you talk with these big brands about some potential projects in the pipeline, what is like the path forward if we talk about exactly the stuff that you just laid out?
So what are the challenges you face in educating people about Axiom?
Yeah, I think, look, space is a really it's a new market for for big brands, right?
Like one of the one of the main challenges is actually quantifying the value for them, right?
Like everybody, everybody hears space. It's like it's a sexy word, right?
Like space. Wow, you're going to outer space. I can see my product in outer space.
It's like, OK, but like what is the actual value that is derived from that?
Do you derive the value from impressions?
Do you derive the value from like how many people see it?
How many people buy a product?
Are you just deriving the value because now the brand looks innovative and it looks futuristic?
Like what is what are you selling?
And we're we're kind of selling all of that, right?
Like in a way you're selling all of those things.
But for a brand, it's like what is the dollar amount that they put on it?
And that's one of the that's one of the challenges, right?
Like you're all of us on this call essentially are creating a new market, right?
And and putting, you know, a dollar amount, you know, and actually quantifying that value is probably the hardest challenge, right?
Especially like if you're just, hey, we're going to send your product to space.
OK, well, what what happens then?
Well, what happens that you can market that?
OK, well, like what's the value of that?
Well, you got to figure it out.
It's like, well, you should tell me you're the provider, right?
So all of these things where we're trying to we're trying to quantify it and we're like every mission we get better and better.
Right. But at the same time, that's that's the main challenge.
It's like, why why is this a big opportunity?
How will it actually affect my bottom line?
Is it just a marketing thing?
Am I going to make money off it?
Am I going to look like delete like oftentimes like do you want to get left behind?
Like sometimes it's just it's a FOMO thing.
Sometimes it's a money thing.
Sometimes it's a brand exercise.
What is it like every every brand we're talking to is experimenting like we're experimenting.
We're all kind of experimenting in this industry because it's so nascent.
So ultimately, like we have the burden of essentially creating that industry together and kind of leading the way for other people.
But we have to do it in, I believe, in a quantifiable way so that we can actually set that path forward.
It's not just it's not just this emotional, hey, we space is cool, so do it.
It's like, no, it has to be better than that.
It has to be stronger than that.
You have to be really be able to quantify that metric for them.
And that's how, you know, in brand conversation, that's that's the main challenge.
I think we're doing a good job of that.
I think they are getting that value.
And we're coming to a point where we're starting to really get to the finish line on a lot of deals.
But especially like these things can take months.
It can take a year conversations because at the end of the day, everybody's trying to figure out, you know, what is the value that's being derived from this?
And and ultimately that that's on us as the trailblazers.
And I speak for, you know, all of us on this call.
That's on us to really, you know, explain that for them.
Love it.
Yeah, totally necessary.
KPI tracking, ROI measurements for the people that we want to involve because, yeah, big brands also want to have their value.
Right.
And if they collaborate, you know, with with these all these decentralized based companies, it's about what is the value at beside the obvious marketing and branding?
And now do you have memberships?
Do you want to enable a retail market to buy in?
Is this cross funding for other initiatives, you know, for commercial market, for research?
Do you have investment opportunities, licensing rights or also future revenue potential?
And, yeah, I truly believe that we have now the unique the unique situation in which we are in that we can enable this very rapid experimentation, not only as individuals with our own projects and companies, but also collectively as this market driven approach.
And, you know, your and, you know, also all the other OGs we have in here and also, you know, in the DSpace QF round are totally paving the way for this future to unfold.
So thank you very much for for being here and for sharing all your all your insights also with with the rest of our community.
So related to related to Axiom and I brought it up.
I brought it up.
I'm a huge fan of science, not only science fiction, but actually science fact.
What do you see in the in the whole research market and also collaborating with universities?
What kind of potential do you also see there with with all the stuff that you are pushing forward with Axiom Space Street?
Yeah, no, I I I see huge potential there, you know, from from a research research perspective.
I think scientific research and and what's going to be done in health health care because of, you know, space advancement is going to be maybe the biggest market that comes from the space industry.
Right. Like just from like pharmaceutical development, from bio health care, biomedical development, being able to accelerate the development time on so much on so much research,
but also development of of of drugs, of organs, of all of these things, because of the environment you're in in space is going to be absolutely huge.
It's going to be a huge industry.
It's something that we should all be on the lookout for, you know, on the on the Axiom station.
We will we will have hopefully, you know, as as it comes to completion, we will have an actual manufacturing module on the on station because of how big of an industry that that is.
Right. So think about the partnerships that will be done with universities.
Think about the partnerships that will be done with pharmaceuticals.
Think about and think about like what if you can accelerate the development of a drug of of, you know, stem cells of all of these things for, you know, by three months, a year, whatever, whatever that acceleration is that quantify that in the amount of dollars that actually that amounts to.
So like that market is absolutely huge. And then what you do for just humanity in general, because of that acceleration, right, you can you can speed up, you know, cancer development, you can speed up stem cells.
You can speed up, you know, the creation of new organs, heart, like all of these things.
Like think about like your wildest dreams. I think, you know, that is able to be unlocked through a lot of the manufacturing that will be done in space at some point.
So, you know, for me, I really think that's going to be one of the biggest industries that exist.
Love it. Love it. Yeah. I also believe that this whole topic around regenerative medicine, drug development in space, you know, artificial organ production and also producing stem cells,
but also like kind of preserving and protecting all of these, I would say, biotechnology related stuff in space.
It's also related to radiation. So definitely pioneering work that you're doing there.
And yeah, a bright future in front of us.
Actually, this was, you know, also the next question that I wanted to bring up to you, Rina, related to like future developments and also like plans for Axiom space to move this forward.
But you already answered it. You already answered it, like with these modules in your space stations.
And maybe you can, maybe you can summarize now after, after, you know, 30 minutes of our discussion, how, how the space station, you know, should look like, and maybe how, how these, how these things go, go, go hand in hand with the different, different areas that you want to kind of tackle in the space.
Like production, like production, manufacturing, drug development, radiation protection, and so on and so on.
Yeah. So I'm not, I'm not like a huge expert on the station itself, but I, I did get the pleasure of talking to, along with, you know, everybody in the Axiom space three community.
I got to talk to the, the lead engineer, the chief engineer for the Axiom station, Dr. Michael Bain.
He walked us through, you know, how each module will be built, the importance of de-risking the modules, like how do you actually support life in these modules, all the things that go into, you know, de-risking that for humans living, living in those, right?
It's not like just creating a home, right? Like you have to build in certain, certain, you know, techniques and, and certain things on the actual habitats to, to make sure that it's, it's, it's proper for life.
Right. And, um, that's the beauty of being able to work with NASA and, and being able to be connected to the ISS for the first couple of modules.
So we're not just off on our own trying to, you know, survive, uh, survive on our own, like, but for the first, uh, couple of modules that will be built, you know, will actually be connected to the ISS until, you know, we're self-sufficient.
Right. And then, and then we'll be able to kind of, um, you know, go off on our own. So, um, that's, that's a really cool part of it. Right. In the, in the beginning, it's going to be, you know, can we build something for, I believe, for astronauts, um, to, to be able to be self-sufficient in one module. Right. And, and bring that up. And then how do we, how do we build on that? Right.
So like the manufacturing part of the, the, the modules, I think that's, you know, have four, um, that will be built later. Right. Like think about it in a timeline or a production timeline. That's, that's, as you kind of de-risk it for humans by itself. Okay. Well, what happens when we add a manufacturing arm? What happens when you add, um, you know, a fitness center? What happens when you add all these different modules as you continue to build?
But you really have to first be able to, you know, essentially guarantee that for, for astronauts, for people going to space are going to be able to be self-sufficient in that first hub. So they're all going to come in different, um, in different, uh, timelines. Um, you can go to axiomspace.com, see what the timeline for, um, the actual, uh, station is like and how the different stages that we'll be building in. Um, but you will see, hopefully by the end of it,
you'll see a manufacturing arm, you'll see a place where we'll actually be able to store data, right? Like you, we're trying to build as much as, uh, as many things that we can on station. So it's not, we're not necessarily, um, you know, stuck just having to shuttle things up every time we need it. Right. Like how can we actually create things in space for the longterm? Right. And that's, that's kind of how we're thinking about it.
Awesome. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you very much, Mina. I mean, you know, as you just described it, space is hard. Yeah. Let's, let's not make it harder as it already is. Uh, collaboration beats competition every single time. And, uh, yeah, it's a, it's a collective effort, not only for the whole ecosystem, for all the industries that we want to onboard to these, you know, very, very large endeavors, but also for humanity to ultimately unfold.
And we see like a great momentum right now with all the technologies converging, um, for exactly the same cause. And it's about, yeah, unity and pace, how we can, how we can bring this into, into all the different markets and also find ways how, how we can make a living out of this. Um, and also to find different incentive mechanisms, economic morals around, um, to make, to make it more, to make the transition more, more, more seamless for all the brands and companies, uh, that we also want to win as partners. Thank you very much, Mina, um, for this.
So one, one last thing from, from my end, and then we can, uh, pretty much open it up, uh, if you, if you want, otherwise, yeah, we can see in which direction we're heading, uh, with, with Axiom space free, you're, you're pretty ahead, uh, of the game with everything related to commercial space stations, uh, and blockchain saying, you know, with all the, all the OGs we see and all the, all the, uh, magnificent work that was done like five to six to seven years ago.
And, you know, also like right now, all the newcomers and fresh perspectives that are flowing into our whole ecosystem.
So in the best case, if you can think like five years from now, uh, where do you want to see yourself and where do you want to see Axiom space free?
Yeah, I want, I want us to be, it's a great question.
That's a great question.
I really want to ask, like, what does it mean to democratize access to space?
Like that, like that's our overall mission.
And I think that's our mission for a lot of the companies in this space, in the web three space, uh, economy that we're creating.
Like, you know, I know, I know a lot of, a lot of our missions are like, how do we actually democratize access?
How do people actually have a say in the future of, of space, right?
Like how does somebody actually get involved in, in, in manufacturing in space?
How does somebody actually get involved in, um, you know, uh, decentralized data in space?
How does somebody actually get involved in, in all of these, um, different aspects, right?
Like it's, I think right now, a lot of it is a tagline.
It's like, Hey, yeah, we want to democratize access to space.
It's like, okay, well you can join this community.
You can talk in a discord, talk in telegram, talking, you know, talk on Twitter, whatever it is, or X, you can, you can do these things.
But like, how do you actually have a say in terms of like what actually, you know, manifests in space?
And ultimately I think it, it, we have to continue to do the work that we're doing on the ground right now.
So like, for example, like the scientific research, like, can we actually get to a point where we facilitate as much of what the, what people want to see done in space in terms of scientific research, as opposed to just what the companies want to be done in space, right?
Like, I think that's a great, uh, I think that's a great use case, right?
Like for the things that people actually care about, can we get enough eyeballs?
Can we get enough funding on this type of, uh, research that, that should be done, right?
Like, and what does Axiom space three, like, how do we play a part in, um, in doing that?
Well, like when we think about like, what, what should get sent up to space, like, can people actually have a say in terms of like, what gets sent up to space?
Like we sent out a flag, we sent up, you know, people's, you know, profile pictures into space.
But what if somebody wants to send up, you know, uh, a Nintendo switch, what if like, can people play in space, like things like that, like, how do we actually get like the public on earth to actually have a say in what's actually going up?
And I think, you know, when we have our own station, we'll have a lot more, um, you know, you know, autonomy with that.
Like when we have our own station and I think as we have more and more infrastructure that we personally own in space, then you have more of a say in terms of what can be done on it.
Can actually trading be done on it, right?
Can we, can trading be done on a data center in space?
Can, um, you know, how do we actually leverage that infrastructure?
But until you have the infrastructure, a lot of time you're, you're using, you know, what, what already exists, but what already exists is kind of like owned by other people.
So, you know, we're, we're, we're trying to like bridge that gap a little bit, like in the interim, but in the longterm, right?
Like we really want people on earth to be able to have an actual say in terms of what is being done in space.
And like, that's, that's what we're trying to really do at least with the web three program.
I love it.
I love it.
Beautiful.
Beautiful.
Thank you very much, Mina, uh, for everything, for telling where you are coming from, uh, what's the status quo right now at Axiom space, building out the space station and, you know, all the other projects and onboarding campaigns, how we can onboard traditional, uh, industries and academia into all the amazing things that, you know, we will see in the future to unfold.
So, uh, huge kudos and shout out to all the work that you are doing, uh, for, for all of us.
Yeah.
I mean, you know, you're also part of the D space ecosystem, same with the newcomers, same with the OGs.
Uh, and you know, I, I, I'm, I'm, I'm totally, uh, impressed, uh, of all the stuff that you're, you're also doing and pushing forward, uh, at the intersection convergence of blockchain and space technologies.
So thank you very much.
Um, so guys in here in the audience, uh, feel free, right to follow Axiom space, uh, follow Mina, um, you know, reach, be, be proactive.
If you have a crazy idea, yeah, reach out, uh, tell as many people as possible about it, build your own company, build your own fortune, uh, build something that lasts for humanity that is creating value on the ground.
Um, beside like, you know, the obvious onboarding and marketing and funding of all these great initiatives, right?
It's about the value add and it's about creating value for future generations also to, to, to do exactly the same.
So thank you very much, Mina.
Um, before we close it up, are there any last things you want to share with our audience?
Any call to action?
Um, yeah, any, any last closing remarks?
Yeah, I want to, well, first I wanted to say I'm inspired by so much.
The work that's being done in, in our web three space community.
Um, you know, there are so many, you know, builders that are not waiting there, you know, they're, they're going after it.
And I think that's kind of what you need to do in a new industry.
Nobody's going to give it to you.
You got to go after it.
Um, and I think so many people, um, in this, in this industry are going after it.
They're not waiting for people to say, well, it's okay for you to, you know, leverage blockchain in space.
It's like, nobody's going to tell you that.
Nobody wants you, uh, oftentimes they don't even want you to do it.
So, you know, you know, well, one, I feel blessed that Axiom space even, you know, thinks about blockchain and web three as, as any sort of priority.
So, and that's why we have this program.
So shout out to the company and the leadership for, for wanting to do it.
But ultimately like the industry, as you, as you go from like a traditional industry to, you know, essentially the evolution of, of the space, um, of the space ecosystem, right?
We are that evolution.
So we got to just continue to go after.
I think a lot of people are doing that.
Um, but I would just say like, make it as practical as possible.
When you're speaking to brands, be able to quantify what you're doing.
When you're speaking to new stakeholders that kind of don't understand the value, right?
Make sure you're very strong on what that value add is.
It can't just be, well, space is cool.
So you should do it.
Right.
And I think, you know, we're going to continue to do a better job at, about that as an industry.
Um, when I first got in, I was like, well, anybody's going to buy it, right?
It's space.
And it's like, no, that's, that's not true.
That that's actually not true.
You, you really need to quantify it for them.
They need to see the value add.
They need to understand why their, their company should be there and represented and not be left back.
Um, and it's, it's our job to be able to do that for them.
Um, I think we're doing a good job of that as a, as an ecosystem, but I think we can,
get even better.
So, um, shout out to all of you.
Thank you very much, Mina.
Thank you very much.
Perfect guys.
So we are coming to an end.
Uh, I hope, you know, you all grabbed a fraction of all the inspiration that Mina Salib threw
around in this, uh, magnificent Twitter space today.
Uh, wherever you are, keep your head up, keep building, uh, at the intersection of blockchain
and space technologies.
And again, uh, big, big shout out, uh, for you, Mina.
Uh, thank you very much for joining us today.
Thanks for having me.
Appreciate it.
Keep, uh, keep on the good work.
Perfect.
Okay, guys, we're going to close it up.
Wish you all the best and yeah, hopefully see you soon.
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